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You're listening to The Bible Guys,
a podcast where a couple of friends talk

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about the Bible in fun in practical
ways. He here we go, Welcome

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to the Bible Guys. Right before, right before we started, we were

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looking at the segment and then Jeff
made a comment and then I was laughing

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during the roll in. But was
I right? You were right? Of

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course yours? You're right. Okay, Well, our listeners are going to

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find out what that's about. Yeah, Well, because Desiree has chosen the

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segment for today known as mail Bags, mail Bags, and so mail Bags

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is today is sent in from Joe
M. And Joe EM said, Hi

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Joe, by the way, very
fun question. Yes, this is a

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great one. If you had to
work at an amusement park or a famous

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landmark for the rest of your life, which place would you choose? That's

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a good question. And then during
the roll in you said to me said,

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I know yours, it's going to
be Disney And I said yes,

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yes, for real, and then
you started laughing. Let me tell you

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why, Let me tell you why. Okay, So because it's the most

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magical place. Oh, there's no
on my mind that that is correct.

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However, however, here's what I
do also know because I have a good

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friend, So you can walk around
and sing and dance and nobody's going to

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think anything about it, right,
look at me musical? No if I

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have Because I have good friends.
Living in Orlando, I knew people who

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worked at Disney, and actually,
what I have found out is that working

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at Disney is actually extremely hard.
So it's not it's not rainbows and sunshine

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to work at Disney. Uh,
it's actually pretty brutal. And at least

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from the three people that I knew
that worked there, they said that,

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They're like, yeah, I mean
like, they don't treat you poorly.

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They treat you fairly, but it
is brutal. Right, you work extremely

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hard, and so I don't I
don't think that working at Disney would be

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easy. I also don't agree with
a ton of what Disney does politically,

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right, and I'm hoping that,
you know, some people are going to

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be fired, and some people have
been fired by the way reorganized and reorganized

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a guess, because yeah, because
Disney wants what Disney once was is not

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what Disney is now, and we're
hoping it'll do the pendulum swinging back,

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right, So those things exist.
However, with that being said, my

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daughter lives in Florida and she has
no plans on leaving. My other daughter

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says that she would love to eventually
if she could move down to Florida with

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her husband, because he's a rocket
engineer and wants to work at NASA and

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these kinds of things. So why
would I not want to work at a

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place where my entire family can go
for free? Right? So, because

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we all love Disney anyway, it's
all about the grand kits. So if

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I could wave a magic wand and
it would have to be the Firitele family

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can go to heridis church for free. Well you know we're talking about not

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just any magic wand, Jeff,
okay, but the fairy God. It

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has to be a music park,
amusement park, or a famous landmark.

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Yeah, you're right. Yeah,
So so I would just say, I

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would just say it would be for
the for the grand kids. That's it.

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That's for the for the future grand
kids. Yep, that's right.

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Wow, Okay, Well that's it. So you you don't want to do

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it because it's magical. You want
to do it because it's a hard place

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to work. For your grandchildren.
No, I'm saying in spite of the

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fact that it's hard. I see, I would still choose it A because

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it is magical. B because of
the grand kids. Okay, well,

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I trust you. You know I've
only been to Disney twice life. You

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now told me everything that I need
to know about you. Yeah, if

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you knew it. But it's all
fake. There did you stop? It's

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real. It's real, the magic
is real, so so believe it or

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not. Here's my answer. I've
been thinking the whole time you've been talking,

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so I barely paid attention. Thanks
my I would say my favorite so

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landmark I'm guessing like famous landmark would
be like, oh that was Hagar Sorry.

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Yeah, So amusement parks would be
like Disney or Cedar Point or something.

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A landmark would be like National Yeah, Tasure kind of Washington's Okay.

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Then I would say national parks with
National park counts and a landmark. It

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depends on if it's yeah, I
think it would yeah, yeah, Okay.

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Then I would say yeah, no, no, no, no.

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Grand Tee Tons would be my favorite
place on the planet. Huh. Jenny

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Lake. I love Jenny Lake and
the Grand te Tones so then we're done.

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So that's what I would do.
I was thinking of the Washington Monument.

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That's what I was trying to Washington
Monument, Yeah, Lincoln, Yeah,

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okay, so that's it for me. By the way, let me

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just let me squeeze in here a
thirty second story. I was I would

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expect nothing less. Okay. I'm
at Disney and I'm standing in front of

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the castle. We just happened to
be walking by on the way to the

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ride, and they had one of
those little plays, you know, those

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impromptu plays where Mickey comes running out
of the castle things, and they were

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doing Frozen. In the middle of
this, like Medley or whatever. All

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of a sudden it's Elsa and Anna, and Elsa is up there and uh

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and and they had apparently jackhammered the
cement below and somehow installed, maybe even

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overnight, some sort of a machine. So then so then she when she

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says let it go, she she
releases snow, and apparently there's there's a

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built in like snow machine. No, it's not a snow machine, because

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the snow came from her hand,
but it's like a wind, a gust

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of wind. Yeah, And so
she so her cue yes is to is

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to let the snow go directly over
what is built into the cement now,

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and it shoots up. And so
when she lets the snow go, it

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leaves her hand and goes at a
forty five degree angle upward. And then

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she runs over to the other side
and lets snow go, and it goes

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upward the other way right, and
then there's then she runs over to this

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other thing and then this fog comes
out of the ground. So they had

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built this for this this also segment. And I was sitting there with my

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daughteritory I actually looked and as I
was watching this, I cried. I

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believe you, I was legitimately like
a tear came down my eye. I

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can I can envision it. But
do you know why? Because it was

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beautiful and magical. It was your
little girl was witnessing it. There's a

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dream come true for you. But
my little girl was in her twenties still.

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But that's not why I cried.
I cried because I thought to myself,

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this is actually, in a lot
of ways what I do for a

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living. Like I'm an arts creator, right who create art for the purpose

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of capturing people's attention. Now and
in this case, they just did it

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because of wonder and magic and all
that stuff. Right money, right,

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money, Just be honest, but
you feel okay, wonder magic for the

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purpose of money, and then it's
not about wondering magic. It's about the

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three hundred and fifteen dollars taken.
But for me, we do it.

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We create services on Sunday mornings and
other things. In fact, tomorrow I'm

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leaving, and you can look at
our budget. We can prove it's not

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for money at Heritage, that's correct. But tomorrow I'm leaving to fly the

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Dominican Republican. Eventually I'll get to
the place where I'm going to film something

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and we're going to try to create
a piece of art through b roll and

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all these different kinds of things,
and we're going to create this thing and

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make no mistake of it. It
is art right for the purpose of telling

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a compelling story. And then we're
going to present this global ministry to Heritage

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in July. And so I'm sitting
here thinking all of this as I'm watching

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Elsa and Anna. But Elsa is
basically throwing snow into the air and all

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the kids around me are going wow. And I'm going like this is so

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unbelievable that they're going out of their
way to do so much work just for

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the benefit of this. And I
thought to myself, this is what we

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are called to do in church,
to capture people's attention, to do that

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much work, to make sure that
the why for one reason, so that

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the gospel is clearly seen, it's
clearly heard. So what the world,

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what Disney does requires all of us. So I did a message one time

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about this a difference between you know, drama and movies and what we do.

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We're both telling a story, but
a movie requires mutually agreed upon suspended

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disbelief. Right, So that whole
thing that's not real snow, Right,

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she didn't make that snow just suddenly
appear in her hand and fly out.

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Right, That the whole thing was
made. It was all manufactured, And

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it was manufactured for two reasons,
to give people warm fuzzies. Right,

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to make Dad's tear up so that
they'll spend three hundred dollars on a ticket

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and buy nine dollars cokes and spend
four hundred dollars on souvenirs. Right,

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that's why they do it. They
do it for warm fuzzies. So that

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you'll spend a bunch of money as
a proposed to what you're doing, going

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to make this documentary kind of thing
in Dominican Republic is to help change lives.

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There's a huge differ between those two
things. Making you smile in your

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life is nice, and I think
that's important. Yeah, the end goal

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is radically different. But the end
goal is radically different. There's so much

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more depth to the work that you're
supposed to be doing. Oh yeah,

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it's difference between wasting your life,
honestly, Yeah, and I mean,

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I mean I would be by the
way, I don't think anybody who works

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for Digity is wasting their lives.
I'm not saying that. I'm saying based

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on the call that God has placed
on my life, if I decided to

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just chuck it all and go create
snow, I would be wasting my life.

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I think that's a picture of granteetons. Oh wow, I just Holy

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Christmas. Nice. That's awesome.
I love it. So all right,

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Well, let's jump into Genesis chapter
eighteen versus number one through fifteen. So

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it says the Lord appeared again to
Abraham near the oak grove belonging to Mammory.

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One day, Abraham was sitting at
the entrance to his tent during the

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hottest part of the day. He
looked up and noticed three men standing nearby,

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and when he saw them, he
ran to meet them and welcomed them,

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bowing low to the ground, my
lord, he said, if it

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pleases you, stop here for a
while, rest in the shade of this

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tree while water is brought to wash
your feet. Since you've honored your servant

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with this visit, let me prepare
some food to refresh you before you continue

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on your journey. All right,
they said, do as you've said.

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So Abraham ran back to the tent
and said to Sarah, hurry up,

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get three large measures of your best
flower, and knead it in the dough

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and make some bread. And then
Abraham ran out to the herd and chose

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a tender calf and gave it to
a servant, who quickly prepared it.

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When the food was ready, Abraham
took some yogurt and milk and the roasted

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meat, and he served it to
the men. As they ate, Abraham

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waited on them in the shade of
the trees. Where is Sarah, your

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wife? The visitors asked, she's
inside the tent, Abraham replied. Then

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one of them said, I will
return to you about this time next year,

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and your wife, Sarah will have
a son. Sarah was listening to

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this kind of station from the tent, and Abraham and Sarah were both very

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old by this time. Sarah was
long past the age at having children,

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so she laughed silently to herself and
said, how could a worn out woman

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like me enjoy such pleasure, especially
when my master, my husband, is

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also so old. Then the Lord
said to Abraham, why did Sarah laugh?

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Why did she say? Can an
old woman like me have a baby?

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Is anything too hard for the Lord? I will return about this time

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next year, and Sarah will have
a son. Sarah was afraid, so

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she denied it, saying I didn't
laugh. But the Lord said, no,

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you did laugh. That's it is. That it is that where we

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am. That's it. Yeah,
we're supposed to read one through fifteen.

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One through fifteen, so geez,
I guess we got to summarize the rest

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of the story. Right, So
she basically was pregnant and then had a

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son named Isaac. Right, So, so, yeah, where is the

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actual rest of birth of Isaac?
Is tomorrow is tomorrow. Okay, so

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you just ruined it. I think
the listeners waiting with a bated breath to

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find out what happens next. Yeah. Well you know, uh number one,

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you know, it's it's it's interesting
how these three men, you know,

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are these are these three angels by
the way, Yes, yeah,

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So it doesn't say that that,
does it. Yes? Does it say

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there were angels in disguise? Yeah? Then the men got up from their

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meal and looked out towards Sodom,
and two of them are the angels that

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destroyed Sodom and tomorrow. Oh you're
talking about later on. It's the same

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story. We already read that.
No, that's literally the next verse.

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Oh right, well, all I'm
saying is it doesn't say it so far.

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We didn't read that today. Oh
yeah, we didn't read it today.

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It's the next verse. Yeah yeah, yeah, So these are angels,

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right, And as a matter of
fact, this is considered one of

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the Christophanies, one of the appearances
of Jesus in the Old Testament. Some

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people believe that this moment was a
Jesus moment. Yes, And so the

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point I was trying to make is
that at this point, they don't know

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that they're angels. That's right,
that's correct, and so and and by

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the way, we're not even told
as readers that they're the angels at this

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point. That's correct. So so, you know, it is one thing

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to doubt God's word, but then
it's another thing to have somebody say,

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hey, at this time, here's
why I think it's going to happen.

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And you're thinking to yourself, well, you're crazy. You're just a traveler,

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right, You're just the manah right, You're just some guy, Like,

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how do you even know us?
And why would you ever say that?

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But yet at the same time,
there's a really good point in here,

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because she was not just doubting what
the crazy guy said, right,

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she was actually reasoning how it's impossible, right, And so it's it's interesting

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how the angel says why would she
laugh? Because is anything too hard for

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the Lord? And sometimes we need
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sometimes we think that way and we
think, well, there's no way that's

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going to happen, and then we
just realize, you know, is that

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too hard for the Lord? Didn't
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where one of our staff members told
us a story, and he says,

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you know, he had this unbelievable
story about the house being sold, you

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know everything. And then as he's
telling the story, he makes this comment

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and says it was such a God
thing. He goes, I don't know

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why it should surprise me, but
sometimes it still does. It does,

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right, Right, So when God
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coincidence and defies odds, we think
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And yet you know, we should
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I think there's a little bit of
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a little bit of grace because she
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three crazy travelers. Perhaps, well, they're twenty five years since the promise

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beget the first promise, right,
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right, It just seems so so
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it's interesting, you know, if
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here's Abraham and a lot and there
Abraham, I mean, and he's enthusiastically

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serving these three travelers, and that
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measurement of a person's character and kindness
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The quality of the man in the
Middle East is often measured by their hospitality

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and generosity. And so here's a
traveler. Life was very difficult and still

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is very difficult often in many of
the places in the Middle East, and

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travel can be very difficult. And
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He doesn't recognize them, and he
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Hey, here's a tuna sandwich.
Hey, Sarah, make some bread.

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Hey, servant, go and butcher
that that animal. And hey,

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here's some of my best yogurt and
some of my best right, and he

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brings out this great meal, roasted
meat and milk. And I mean he

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spared no expense for these guys.
He didn't know. Yeah, isn't it

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always isn't interesting as well that when
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you're going to get lamb with yogurt. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, Like

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and Tazeki saw us on a hero. Yeah that's so good yogurt yeah yeah,

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with spices, that's right. So
it is it is pretty interesting how

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it's like, Wow, check it
out. Food is not a change.

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No, you're not a Middle Eastern
food. Guy like like a Mediterranean for

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euros. The only thing that I
like. Yeah, yeah, I love

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it. So I love I do. I do a lot of work in

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Middle East anyways, right, so
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I am among the minority for sure. The last time I was in

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Iraq last year, we went to
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in his home and sak is he's
a leader of a tribe. So this

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shaik was a family leader of ten
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we go to his home and sit
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his sons, so his oldest son
and his next oldest son. So I

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think he had I forgot what they
told us, like ten children. But

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his oldest son sat with us for
the meal. His next oldest son served

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the meal and they brought out So
there was me and Chad and the friend

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that we were traveling with, and
our guide, this leader, this sheikh

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and his two sons. So there
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they brought out enough food for fifteen
people, twenty people. I'm not joking.

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It was unbelievable much food. But
what was amazing was that Shaikh had

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had to lead his people, all
ten thousand of his people to run away

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from Isis. They actually stood and
fought Isis, and one as Isis was

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coming into Moses and they had to
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with Isis, and he said,
no, right, you guys are monsters

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and you don't represent my religion,
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They were living in a refugee camp. So here's this shake. He's literally

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wearing a Rolex watch and he's living
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hut, and he has nothing except
that watch. They have nothing, They

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lost everything when they moved. But
he put out enough food for ten of

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us, fifteen of us and was
extraordinarily generous. And I've had that happen

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over and over and over again,
not always with shakes, but with people

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who don't really have much, but
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just turned themselves inside out to provide
for And that's a big part of

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that culture. It really shows the
measure of a man. How hospitable are

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you, how generous and kind are
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I mean, we visited a village
in Kenya and they had never even

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seen a white man before, according
to my friend, and they had like

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two chickens and they insisted that we
take one of their chickens. Yeah,

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and we were like, well,
we don't want it because and the leader

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of the ring leader that I was
traveling with said, we have much,

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you have little. We would not
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translator said, if you don't take
their chicken, it's offensive. It's offensive

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because you offend them. So you
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were like, oh my goodness.
So we had an eleven hour drive home.

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So guess who held the chicken for
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chicken. We had to oh my
goodness. Yeah. So I had at

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one time again with the pocat same
people. You're talking about the fact that

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I held you chicken as it is
like flapping its wings like every five seconds,

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trying to get away, and I'm
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and then that evening we ate them. I was going to say, there's

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a way to not have to have
to hold a flapping chicken. I know,

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That's what I said. I said, just duck, take the thing's

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head or something so so well ten
seconds anyways, I had them. They

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gave me a goat. So we
were at this place, and were you

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with me? We went out to
there was a o. It was not

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with you when anybody gave you a
goat. Anyways, they give me a

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goat, and I was the same
thing. I was going to try to

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decline it in this village and the
translator said, oh, you can't decline

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the goat, and so I brought
the chief and I said, thank you

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so much. You've honored me beyond
comprehension. I've never had anybody give me

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a goat before. Thank you so
much for your generosity. Here's what I

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would like to do. I have
to fly on a plane home and they

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won't let me bring the goat.
So could I hire somebody to butcher the

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goat and we'll have a party right
now. And he went, that's a

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great idea. Everybody cheers, they
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have a great, big party,
celebrate all that kind of stuff. So

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I gave the goat back to the
village, you know, is what I

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did. And they loved it.
Because I can't fit a goat in my

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suitcase. My wife would be a
little mad, right, but we're all

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your clothes. But there's something to
be said about the level and the quality

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of a husband or wife who say, Hey, these strangers show up and

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we're gonna give the best to what
we have to them. And then you

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know, they go on and they
later find out, oh, hey,

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these are messengers from God, because
this is where the story of Sodom and

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Gamora come from. And Abraham advocates
for Sodom because Lot is living in Sodom

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and his family. He advocates and
asks God to hold off destroying the city

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if you can just find ten righteous
people. And then those angels are two

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of those angels go down, and
that's that's who goes and rescues Abraham or

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a Lot in his family. You
gave it away, Well, we're not.

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We're not reading that part of the
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I know it's not in there.
We jump all the way to Isaac's birth

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tomorrow. So we're not even telling
Sodom and Gamour unless we call an audible.

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You want to call an audible right
now? I kind of do tune

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in tomorrow and find out are we
going to tell Isaac the birth of Isaac

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or Sodom and Gomorah. Yeah,
what is it going to be? Yeah,

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well, hey, look that looks
like our time and so it looks

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like we have a decision to make
and you'll find out tomorrow what the decision

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is on the Bible. Guys,
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