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You are listening to the USDN on the

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DFPN.

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Go, go, go!

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what is up everybody it's the chairman of

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the united states department of nerds

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where we are for the people by the

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people and of the people and in every

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town there's a dangerous darkness people

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pretend not to see a walkway they don't

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walk down a story they're too afraid to

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hear but sometimes a storyteller shows up

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who's willing to drag that story into the

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light

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kicking, screaming,

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and free-running off every wall in sight.

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Tonight, that storyteller is Snake,

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the UK writer behind Grinding Against the

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Marrow, a brutal, poetic,

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street-level character drama published by

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Marcosia and praised for its raw honesty

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and kinetic narrative energy.

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The council is in session, and Snake,

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welcome to the United States Department of

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Nerds.

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Thanks.

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Thanks dude.

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Cool.

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Awesome.

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Good to be here.

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So for the people at home,

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who is snake and where did your creative

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journey begin?

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Yeah, so I'm from the UK.

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I've always written.

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I worked in the film industry for a

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bit of time, went to film school,

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stuff like that.

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I worked for the BBC for a bit

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of time as a PA.

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Also then as a prop man on Kick-Ass

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and Black Mirror Season Two.

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But, you know,

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I wanted to tell my own stories.

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They couldn't get you on Doctor Who?

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But I wanted to tell my own stories

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and like I was a script reader for

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a bit of time as well.

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But then that was really good because it

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was breaking down stories.

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So, you know,

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if you want to be a storyteller,

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it's a really great landscape to explore

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story.

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But then during and so I've always been

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a story caller.

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And then during lockdown,

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I just I'd always read.

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I read I'd read comics since I was

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a kid and I was like,

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I'm going to start making them.

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Why not?

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And fell in love with the medium,

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stopped wanting to be a playwright,

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stopped wanting to be a screenwriter,

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stopped wanting to work in the film

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industry and was just like,

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I want to make comics because the

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collaboration is so pure and brilliant and

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the medium is so good.

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And I enjoy the process of writing a

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little bit more.

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Each storytelling medium is slightly

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different and I enjoy the way you tell

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comics with an artist.

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So, yeah,

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I've just been trying to make comics,

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and this one managed to get published.

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And so, yeah, that's me at the minute,

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and I'm just trying to get more things

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published while I'm doing a day job.

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Did you invite somebody to the show?

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No, I don't think so.

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Does somebody else have access to your

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account?

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Don't think so, no.

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Somebody just popped into my stream,

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a jock.

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No, I don't know.

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No idea who it was.

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It was really weird.

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Nobody has access to this link unless it

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was shared.

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That was just weird.

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I'm thinking it might have been somebody

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on the network who accidentally clicked

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into my podcast while it was live,

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which is wild.

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But okay.

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Let's keep going.

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Did you invite your artists or something?

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No.

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I did ask him.

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I did a couple of other interviews and

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I asked him and he was like, no,

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no, no, that's not me.

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It's crazy because a lot of artists are

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that way.

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It took me months of coordinating

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with the writers of Shock-Headed Peter to

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convince Sabe from Italy to come on the

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podcast to talk about his artwork on

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Shock-Headed Peter.

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And it was like, once he was on,

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it was an amazing show.

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It was so fun.

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And he was like, oh, my English.

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I'm like, dude,

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your English is literally perfect.

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I don't know what you're complaining

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about.

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Yeah, you have the thick Italian accent,

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but I'm like, dude, you're good, man.

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And his work is freaking brilliant as

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well.

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But

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So what was that spark for grinding

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against the marrow?

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Was it a character, a theme,

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or maybe a moment in your own life

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that kind of sparked this idea?

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Well, it was more a kind of,

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it was less of a kind of creative

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input.

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The idea was that I didn't feel like

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I had a big enough fan base and

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I wanted to kind of get my name

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more out there.

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I'd made a few short comics,

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a few like issue long comics.

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I was going to get them published.

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Problem with the publishers,

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things happened.

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I wanted to get myself more out there.

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So my initial idea was to make a

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monthly ongoing series.

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web series web comic a vertical web series

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and grinding against the marrow is

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released every month on tapas webtoons and

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uh um global comics

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So for anybody wondering,

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I did link the Webtoons link to the

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description of this video.

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It will also be linked to the video

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when I re-release it on all the streaming

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networks and as well when I re-release on

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YouTube Live or YouTube again.

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So the link is there if you want

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to read the weekly or monthly comic that

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he does about grinding with the marrow or

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grinding –

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Oh,

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or where am I grinding against the mirror?

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I'll get it out there.

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It's grinding on just sounds like a

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skateboard thing,

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but this is about parkour.

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I apologize for that.

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And I,

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at first I wanted to release it in

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black and white.

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And so it's, you know, it's free,

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it's black and white.

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And then I got picked up by my

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publisher.

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And I also, you know,

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you can buy it on Amazon or comicology

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and also drive through comics in color.

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So, you know,

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you can have a little taster,

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see if you like it.

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And then if you really like it,

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you can get it.

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And it's going to be published like in

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print next year as a graphic novel.

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But, you know,

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it's just to kind of drum up that

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kind of...

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It was just trying to get a buzz

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going, really.

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And then sort of the ideas for it.

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Well,

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I want to do something kind of gritty

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and street drama-y and social realist kind

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of like... I mean...

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I'm not specific to any set genre,

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but for this one,

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I wanted to do that.

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I also wanted to marry two things that

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I'm very interested by, which is A,

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parkour, and B, homelessness.

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Sometimes at Christmas, I will...

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commit my time to helping people who are

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homeless on the street at christmas things

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like that i think it's you know terrible

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thing anyone can have it happen to them

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you're only like six degrees of separation

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from being homeless if you know something

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bad happens so i want to do that

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and then the character i just you know

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i'm not muslim and i don't really have

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any friends almost yeah

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That's actually where we're going next,

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is your character of Soma.

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Am I saying that right, Soma?

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Yeah.

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She is a homeless, ex-junkie,

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Muslim woman who is trying to survive the

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hostility of her hometown.

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But she's very resilient,

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and she's dangerous in a way that people

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do not expect her to be.

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So what inspired her?

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Was it just like you were saying?

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you know,

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it's always interesting to go for

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underdogs, you know,

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instead of like having like a soldier or

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something like that to have an underdog.

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So like a homeless person,

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I'm always very interested by that.

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So I'm interested by that struggle to,

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you know, just,

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just she's trying to get out of her

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hometown and she's having all these

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obstacles stopping her from, you know,

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corrupt cops,

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street hooligans on the street dressed in

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Halloween.

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It's Halloween.

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And so, yeah.

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So, and then,

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it's not about a character being Muslim.

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She just so happens to be Muslim as

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well.

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I just think it would be kind of

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interesting to – I always find the kind

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of whole scarf and the hijab scarf really

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interesting.

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So I wanted to change and kind of

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make the Muslim look look cool.

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So she kind of looks like a ninja.

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I would have never realized that she was

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Muslim unless you had told me in –

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When you sent me the email requesting to

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come on the show,

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I just would have thought it was just

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a really cool, like it's cold in October,

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you know,

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and she's just got a face covering to

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keep herself warm.

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That's what I would have thought.

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Because the way you designed it,

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it doesn't look like a hijab, you know,

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per se.

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So it's very unique in that case.

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I just wanted to kind of, you know,

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try something new with the association of

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a Muslim and put her in that kind

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of... So she, you know, in my way,

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in my understanding,

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she's kind of like a...

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silent type Clint Eastwood type very few

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words and it was also so a big

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inspiration for this comic I read Rick

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Remender's A Righteous Thirst for

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Vengeance which is so good he's so good

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so good and so minimal with dialogue and

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it's just panel to panel action and it

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it just forced you to look at the

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panels more so and i wanted that i

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took that i wanted to kind of use

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that and like some caption i was like

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i'm not putting any captions in it and

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i'm and it's gonna be kind of minimalist

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dialogue and it's good i'm gonna i need

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to find an artist that really kind of

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is able to portray the actions I'm doing,

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that panel-to-panel kinetic energy.

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But then also I found,

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because I'm a spoken word artist,

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I do a lot of open mics and

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things like that,

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and I write lots of poetry,

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I also kind of am interested in blending

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mediums together.

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And I thought it was a really good

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opportunity to maybe have her voice

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be a poet and use my other,

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this other talent,

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this other interest I have in writing and

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put it into the comic.

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So, you know, at the same time,

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you don't,

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you have this window into the character.

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So, so she's running around, she's,

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she's jumping off walls, things like that.

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But then you have these quiet somber

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moments where she's just writing in a

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journal about her thoughts about,

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and you get clues to the backstory and

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being as a person.

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I thought that would work and sort of

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balance out that sort of,

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yeah no it was really cool i i

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enjoyed that blend that you did within

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this comic because again there's not a lot

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of words outside of the poetry being

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spoken but with you and your artist the

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way y'all collaborated on this the action

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in the book you really don't need a

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lot of words to understand what is going

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on in the story so that was executed

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brilliantly on the comic so

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Big props to both of y'all on that

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because it's really cool.

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There's like one page, I think,

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where it's just poetry and her writing her

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poetry.

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And I thought that was really cool that

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that was just like, you know,

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she had a second to catch her breath.

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And the one thing she thought to do

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was pull out her notebook and write down

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her thoughts.

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And it progresses as well.

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What I really quite like to do is,

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as well as the story progressing,

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you have her writing this poem.

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Yes, yes.

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But later on,

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she continues trying to write it.

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And then during, like, you know,

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the dark night of the soul, you know,

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the bad moment,

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the bit when everything's pushing down on

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her in the late second act,

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then you've got her just getting mad

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and...

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crunching up the poem and then finally at

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the end you'll have sort of like finishing

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the poem and you'll see that i don't

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want to ruin it but i'm not doing

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it but you know so it progresses with

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her mental state and the story as well

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i i like that and the way it's

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done so this town of morrow or marrow

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it feels very much alive was this place

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is it based on a real place or

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maybe a blend of experiences that you've

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had in certain places

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Yeah.

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So me and my mates growing up were

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from a small town in the middle of

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England.

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And, you know, people born there,

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they die there.

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Racist, small minded.

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You know, me and my mates,

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we would just get drunk every weekend and

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just mess around and whatever.

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And we're always like waiting to leave

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there.

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So a lot of that kind of that

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resentment towards the town is is sort of.

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Yeah, that's where that comes from.

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I used to get that out a little

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bit.

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i i've i grew up in a place

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similar to that and i drove through many

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places like that here in the us so

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i know exactly what you're talking about

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and i felt a little bit of what

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she was going through just from my own

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experiences and growing up in places i've

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traveled throughout the years so i was

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kind of like man there's a marrow

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everywhere there's one in every county or

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parish or what have you you know

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But as you keep reading the comic,

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you'll kind of see... And I'll send you,

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like... As the issues come out,

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I'll send you the issues just so you

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can keep up to date.

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But, you know, it's also, like,

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it's not really the town stopping her.

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It's actually herself, potentially.

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And it gets heavier into that as the

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story progresses.

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We see that she's got...

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Because I base this on myself quite a

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bit.

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I used to have a really bad temper,

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and I'm sort of dealing with that quite...

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differently now,

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but a temper towards myself, if anything,

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a self-deprecating temper.

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So I use that element in Soma's character.

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She's just got this fiery,

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absolute disdain for the town.

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She almost wants to punish it,

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if anything.

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Oh, yeah.

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You do get a sense that she has

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some anger toward the town.

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So it is...

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she did it in more ways like she

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didn't really have to say it it was

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her actions and her absolutely the way she

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did everything so you could definitely

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tell um so one of the big things

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that stands out in this comic book is

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the choreography the parkour run in the

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movement the way action flows do you have

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a background in that type of stuff or

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is this just a storytelling choice for

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soma

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It's just a storytelling choice.

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I've never really done it.

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I've just been interested in it.

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I used to watch it a lot.

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Me and my friends,

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we'd put some parkour on,

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put some drum and bass on and just

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watch it for hours and just chill and

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hang out and drink and whatever.

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And it's props, to be honest,

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to my artist, Mauro De Falco.

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It was really important when I started

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this project to find an artist that was

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going to be able to execute

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the action and the movement.

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Cause I just, cause you're telling,

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you know,

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I'm not telling my story with my words

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because I'm using minimal dialogue.

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It really needed to work.

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He nailed it.

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He definitely nailed it.

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Cause it does look like,

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I'm trying to think there was a,

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I think there was a,

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you're familiar with the misfits, right?

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Yeah.

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The TV series.

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Oh yeah.

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Yeah.

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I want to say there's a few episodes

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of the misfits where you see one of

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the characters doing parkour style run

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into the city.

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And, uh,

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that was a little bit of what I

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kind of like.

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I just go back to that show a

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lot because it's one of my favorite shows

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to come out of the UK.

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And I thought it deserved more love,

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but Hey,

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that's just my opinion of a guy looking

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in from the outside.

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But, um,

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It was one of my favorite things about,

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you know, that anytime I see,

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because you don't see parkour often.

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No.

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At least not where I live.

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It's just not something that we see.

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So it was really cool to see it

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in a comic book and being executed so

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well.

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And that's hard to do.

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Movement is hard to do in a comic

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book.

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Yeah.

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And to make it look realistic and look

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cool.

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So shout out to your artists for making

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that look cool and making it look

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realistic.

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Like it was like you,

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you were kind of like, you know,

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get your heart beating a little bit faster

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because you're like, oh man,

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she's going to,

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she's going to hit this jump or so.

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It was definitely one of those cool

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things.

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I think sort of because, you know,

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obviously when you're making something,

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making any kind of comic,

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you look to references and things like

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that.

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And I was like, oh, man,

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I can't think.

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I thought of Mark Miller's Zero Miles Per

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Hour, that comic.

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But then I couldn't think of anything.

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And then someone was like, well,

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I was chatting to someone online and they

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were like, daredevil, man.

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I was like, oh, yeah, of course.

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That's like the pencil.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Look a lot of like, you know,

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Alex Maliv's drawings for the Brian,

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which I, you know,

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I love because that's just a shout out

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to Mark Miller, man.

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You brought him up.

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We're big fans here of Mark Miller's work.

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I know he's currently off doing some

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bigger projects right now.

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Hopefully he'll come back to the indie

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scene here before long.

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Yeah.

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I mean, there's this stuff that I find,

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I found that him trying to make his

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own universe was a bit contrived.

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I don't, I didn't particularly like that,

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but I do think like he's made some

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incredible comics.

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Like, you know, wanted is amazing.

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Star star.

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I can't remember what it's called.

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Star something or other.

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I think I know which one you're talking

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about.

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And then I know he had magic water,

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which was really amazing.

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I mean, even Kick-Ass is phenomenal.

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I like the comic more than the film,

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to be honest.

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You and me both.

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Yeah, I'm with you with that one.

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And then he recently did Vatican City,

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which I think he cut short to go

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work on the DC project that he's working

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on.

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And I was just like, dude,

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this had so much potential.

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And I don't know if it was him,

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Dark Horse, or like, hey,

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I need to wrap up what I'm doing

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so I can go do this over here.

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This requires my hundred percent

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attention.

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So a really interesting interview between

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him and Garth Ennis.

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And they're just chatting, you know,

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they're just because they kind of grown.

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They come up together at the same kind

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of time.

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Yeah.

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Really nice chat between them going

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through.

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I think Garth Ennis was a few years

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before him,

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like a lot of years before him.

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I think there's like a fifteen or twenty

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year age difference there.

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Okay.

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But, but, but you know what I mean?

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Like, but their heights,

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they were kind of, no,

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you're absolutely right.

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Yeah.

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You're probably right.

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I think he was, I think he was,

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he was on the scene way before like

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doing hit man and stuff like that.

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Yeah.

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And Garth Ennis is another one.

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Like,

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Shout out to him.

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He's phenomenal.

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Well, he's the reason I make comics.

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Yeah, dude.

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I won't believe this as well.

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What was the one Garth Ennis that was

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like, this is my dude?

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Publisher.

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I'm sorry, Preacher.

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Preacher is my favorite thing of all time.

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Perfect answer.

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Did you watch the TV series?

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No, because the thing is, right?

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You can't make a TV series and I'm

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going to be happy because it's my favorite

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thing.

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I will be honest with you right now.

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It follows the comic book as closely as

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TV would allow it to.

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Yeah, exactly.

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But it was,

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you still got the entire story.

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And, you know,

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for those who don't know in preacher,

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God is a dick.

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All right.

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Yeah.

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In the book, he is just a pure,

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unadulterated asshole of a human.

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Well, not human being, but entity.

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And throughout the Preacher series,

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different entities have been God.

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Because God just says, you know what?

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I'm just going to go chill on earth

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and do whatever the hell I want.

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Leave heaven and hell to do as they

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will.

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Mm-hmm.

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Which is kind of like one of those...

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It's not the primary story.

00:21:41.247 --> 00:21:42.307
The primary story, of course,

00:21:42.326 --> 00:21:43.247
is about Preacher.

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But it's just such a good series.

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If you can get the Omnibuses or the

00:21:49.588 --> 00:21:51.148
Trade Paperbats or what have you,

00:21:52.048 --> 00:21:53.190
do yourselves a favor.

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Get up to date on Preacher.

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It was a phenomenal series by Garth Ennis.

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And don't let ass face fool you because

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the dude is...

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he he does okay for himself despite

00:22:07.950 --> 00:22:09.770
everything that's happened to him but it

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was also i i went and to a

00:22:12.854 --> 00:22:14.296
comic convention thought bubble which is

00:22:14.316 --> 00:22:16.116
like the biggest kind of comic convention

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i had uh our friend bruno catarina was

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there so i see he wrote a really

00:22:21.423 --> 00:22:23.644
nice write-up on uh thought bubble so

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But yeah,

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I was selling this year for the first

00:22:27.497 --> 00:22:27.717
time.

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I was selling my comics there.

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And Garth Ennis was there.

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And so I went up to him and

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I brought, you know,

00:22:34.180 --> 00:22:35.800
I would have loved to have brought all

00:22:35.840 --> 00:22:36.921
my Punisher Max comics.

00:22:37.141 --> 00:22:38.981
But instead, I couldn't do that.

00:22:39.021 --> 00:22:39.442
So, you know,

00:22:40.462 --> 00:22:42.624
I brought Punisher Born because I wanted

00:22:42.644 --> 00:22:43.203
that sign.

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I brought a lot of Preacher comics.

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And I come up to him and I

00:22:47.645 --> 00:22:49.767
perform a spoken word piece to him about

00:22:49.846 --> 00:22:51.307
how much Preacher means to me.

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And then I give him some of my

00:22:53.509 --> 00:22:53.929
comics.

00:22:54.229 --> 00:22:55.529
I say goodbye to him, whatever, and stuff.

00:22:55.569 --> 00:22:57.050
And he seemed pretty impressed by my

00:22:57.070 --> 00:22:57.412
spoken word.

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You got it signed, though, right?

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I got it signed.

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But then two days later,

00:23:02.255 --> 00:23:04.675
he emails me back and says,

00:23:04.896 --> 00:23:06.458
I really liked your comics.

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They're amazing.

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You're a really good writer.

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And I was like... It's just amazing.

00:23:12.040 --> 00:23:13.362
So, yeah, I got his email.

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I would have it printed out in a

00:23:15.784 --> 00:23:16.324
frame.

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And any time I come on another podcast,

00:23:18.605 --> 00:23:19.046
I'd be like...

00:23:20.199 --> 00:23:21.699
Garth Dennis said my shit was cool,

00:23:22.200 --> 00:23:23.200
and I would just point to it,

00:23:23.299 --> 00:23:26.500
be like, Garth Dennis liked my stuff.

00:23:26.540 --> 00:23:27.921
Now I've got his email.

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Every time I publish something,

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I'm just going to send it over to

00:23:30.721 --> 00:23:33.442
him, just let him have a read.

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It was just really nice.

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He was just a really nice guy as

00:23:36.083 --> 00:23:36.202
well.

00:23:36.242 --> 00:23:37.923
He was really open and chilled.

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It's one of those where people always say

00:23:40.183 --> 00:23:41.023
don't meet your heroes,

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but sometimes you do meet your hero,

00:23:42.704 --> 00:23:44.345
and your hero ends up just being a

00:23:44.684 --> 00:23:46.726
really cool, legit dude.

00:23:47.159 --> 00:23:48.999
because that's the way he always came off

00:23:49.019 --> 00:23:49.299
to me.

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Anytime I've seen him in interviews and

00:23:50.920 --> 00:23:54.161
stuff like that, he's just a dude,

00:23:54.201 --> 00:23:55.580
you know, he got lucky and,

00:23:56.080 --> 00:23:56.661
but really tall.

00:23:56.701 --> 00:23:57.320
Yeah.

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He's a really tall dude.

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Yeah.

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I, you don't, you know,

00:24:00.821 --> 00:24:02.823
when you look at someone and sitting down

00:24:02.863 --> 00:24:03.583
with, you don't think it,

00:24:03.863 --> 00:24:05.282
but I was like, wow, he's,

00:24:05.482 --> 00:24:06.943
he's pretty big, tall guy, man.

00:24:06.963 --> 00:24:08.023
I was surprised.

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I know we're completely off topic right

00:24:11.957 --> 00:24:15.900
now, but Garth Dennis is that dude.

00:24:16.921 --> 00:24:17.281
To me,

00:24:17.301 --> 00:24:18.982
there's very little stuff that he's done

00:24:19.002 --> 00:24:21.484
where people can go, I didn't like that.

00:24:22.326 --> 00:24:24.347
Did you read it?

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I'm like,

00:24:25.148 --> 00:24:26.289
it's Garth Dennis we're talking about.

00:24:26.309 --> 00:24:28.192
Did you actually read that?

00:24:28.892 --> 00:24:31.493
Well, I had a really interesting thing.

00:24:31.535 --> 00:24:34.696
So I bought the first boys comic when

00:24:34.737 --> 00:24:37.299
I went to university at twenty one.

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And then it was with me for seven

00:24:40.321 --> 00:24:43.085
years later because I was picking up each

00:24:43.224 --> 00:24:43.345
one.

00:24:43.684 --> 00:24:44.266
So, yeah.

00:24:45.856 --> 00:24:46.057
that,

00:24:46.156 --> 00:24:48.838
that to me says comics are such an

00:24:48.898 --> 00:24:49.318
interesting thing,

00:24:49.358 --> 00:24:51.240
especially if you can pick up singles that

00:24:51.259 --> 00:24:53.319
they can be with you through your life

00:24:53.359 --> 00:24:55.121
for such a long period in time.

00:24:56.422 --> 00:24:56.741
Yeah.

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It's just kind of interesting.

00:24:58.021 --> 00:24:59.803
Seven years later at finished.

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And I was like, wow,

00:25:01.544 --> 00:25:02.544
what'd you think about the ending?

00:25:02.644 --> 00:25:03.744
We're not going to give it away because

00:25:03.765 --> 00:25:05.345
they're about to enter the final season of

00:25:05.384 --> 00:25:05.845
the boys.

00:25:05.884 --> 00:25:07.066
But what'd you think about the ending?

00:25:08.896 --> 00:25:10.098
I really like it.

00:25:10.159 --> 00:25:12.983
I think it... I reread The Boys recently.

00:25:13.444 --> 00:25:14.465
And when I first read it,

00:25:14.486 --> 00:25:15.508
I thought it was amazing, incredible.

00:25:15.528 --> 00:25:16.670
And then I reread it and I was

00:25:16.690 --> 00:25:17.751
like, eh,

00:25:17.932 --> 00:25:19.434
it lulls a little bit in the middle

00:25:19.454 --> 00:25:20.056
with the comics.

00:25:20.276 --> 00:25:21.377
But I do like...

00:25:23.367 --> 00:25:26.048
I like the relationship and the ending

00:25:26.288 --> 00:25:30.611
between Huey and Butcher.

00:25:30.951 --> 00:25:32.311
I think that's really strong.

00:25:32.332 --> 00:25:33.512
I think that's one of the best things

00:25:33.553 --> 00:25:33.992
about it.

00:25:34.272 --> 00:25:35.394
I don't know what they're going to do

00:25:35.413 --> 00:25:36.493
in a TV show because obviously they'll

00:25:36.534 --> 00:25:38.515
probably switch it up.

00:25:38.755 --> 00:25:40.236
I'm hoping they don't because I love the

00:25:40.316 --> 00:25:40.615
ending.

00:25:40.996 --> 00:25:41.916
Yeah, exactly.

00:25:42.076 --> 00:25:43.576
There's only two people left alive.

00:25:44.157 --> 00:25:44.938
Two.

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And that's the way it should be.

00:25:47.920 --> 00:25:49.400
It's one of those endings to me in

00:25:49.480 --> 00:25:50.461
comic book form that

00:25:51.534 --> 00:25:52.275
Don't fuck with it.

00:25:52.474 --> 00:25:53.537
That one is perfect.

00:25:55.118 --> 00:25:57.080
But I heard they already have.

00:25:58.663 --> 00:25:59.924
I've heard the same thing,

00:25:59.944 --> 00:26:01.205
and I'm hoping that's not the case.

00:26:01.246 --> 00:26:02.387
I'm hoping it's one of those where...

00:26:03.884 --> 00:26:06.946
feed you a line of yeah we're gonna

00:26:07.087 --> 00:26:08.788
actually get the ending from the comic

00:26:08.828 --> 00:26:11.230
book yeah because the ending from the

00:26:11.270 --> 00:26:13.492
comic book to me is just so good

00:26:13.593 --> 00:26:17.015
yeah yeah and going into it when it

00:26:17.055 --> 00:26:18.817
come out and the it started and i'm

00:26:18.876 --> 00:26:21.058
like i know how this ends i'm like

00:26:22.244 --> 00:26:23.326
And I know they changed a lot of

00:26:23.365 --> 00:26:23.905
stuff around.

00:26:24.125 --> 00:26:26.126
There's characters that were men in the

00:26:26.166 --> 00:26:27.887
comic book that are women on the show

00:26:27.928 --> 00:26:28.788
and vice versa.

00:26:29.528 --> 00:26:31.368
None of that bothered me because the story

00:26:31.388 --> 00:26:33.170
was still pretty much there and intact.

00:26:33.549 --> 00:26:35.250
The character is the character,

00:26:35.510 --> 00:26:37.112
no matter who played the character.

00:26:38.011 --> 00:26:39.952
They still match what they were in the

00:26:40.012 --> 00:26:41.713
comic book for the most part.

00:26:43.054 --> 00:26:46.056
So it didn't really bother me as much.

00:26:46.115 --> 00:26:46.256
But.

00:26:47.590 --> 00:26:49.593
the ending would probably bother me a lot

00:26:49.653 --> 00:26:53.237
more if it doesn't match the comic book.

00:26:53.257 --> 00:26:55.118
Yeah.

00:26:55.239 --> 00:26:57.422
So,

00:26:57.442 --> 00:26:58.303
but let's talk a little bit about

00:26:58.343 --> 00:26:59.044
Marcosia.

00:26:59.064 --> 00:26:59.183
Yeah.

00:27:01.038 --> 00:27:02.818
This was your first published book.

00:27:03.319 --> 00:27:04.500
It happened to be Marcosia,

00:27:04.540 --> 00:27:06.662
who we're familiar with here because Ice

00:27:06.782 --> 00:27:08.604
Grace and Zip has been on the show

00:27:08.624 --> 00:27:08.983
before,

00:27:09.023 --> 00:27:11.625
and they do his publishing for him on

00:27:11.726 --> 00:27:13.407
Zip, which, oh, by the way,

00:27:13.567 --> 00:27:16.009
is a black and gray comic book.

00:27:16.049 --> 00:27:16.910
There's no color in it.

00:27:17.411 --> 00:27:20.532
Beautiful, bright colors on the covers.

00:27:21.493 --> 00:27:23.015
But the actual book itself is done in

00:27:23.056 --> 00:27:23.976
black and gray scale,

00:27:24.416 --> 00:27:26.077
which looks phenomenal because it takes a

00:27:26.137 --> 00:27:28.961
phenomenal artist to make black and gray

00:27:29.000 --> 00:27:31.563
line work look good.

00:27:32.604 --> 00:27:34.125
And his artist for that book does a

00:27:34.185 --> 00:27:35.046
phenomenal job.

00:27:35.086 --> 00:27:37.228
So we're very familiar with Marcosia here.

00:27:38.609 --> 00:27:40.751
So how did that project find its home

00:27:40.991 --> 00:27:41.752
with them?

00:27:42.509 --> 00:27:42.868
Sure.

00:27:43.789 --> 00:27:44.950
The usual thing, you know, I was,

00:27:45.930 --> 00:27:48.991
me and Murrow were releasing the comic

00:27:49.051 --> 00:27:51.633
monthly and then it got to a certain

00:27:51.673 --> 00:27:53.113
point where I'd done about,

00:27:53.993 --> 00:27:56.434
got to about episode four, five.

00:27:56.595 --> 00:27:58.536
So the first issue,

00:27:58.596 --> 00:28:00.195
because basically you can break,

00:28:00.296 --> 00:28:02.037
the comic is a four issue miniseries.

00:28:02.596 --> 00:28:02.737
I mean,

00:28:02.777 --> 00:28:05.597
it's broken up online with vertical

00:28:05.617 --> 00:28:06.318
scrolling comics.

00:28:07.378 --> 00:28:08.799
Each episode is about five pages.

00:28:09.460 --> 00:28:11.461
But collected,

00:28:11.800 --> 00:28:13.461
each comic is sort of four issues,

00:28:13.481 --> 00:28:14.261
twenty four pages.

00:28:14.761 --> 00:28:16.063
Yeah.

00:28:16.542 --> 00:28:17.343
And so I sent, you know,

00:28:17.383 --> 00:28:17.982
sent stuff out.

00:28:18.042 --> 00:28:19.163
I sent it out to all the publishing

00:28:19.203 --> 00:28:21.005
companies, Image, this, that, whatever.

00:28:21.904 --> 00:28:23.846
I'd sent to Marcosia before.

00:28:24.365 --> 00:28:25.986
And this time, you know,

00:28:26.026 --> 00:28:27.267
Harry was interested.

00:28:27.326 --> 00:28:27.527
He was.

00:28:27.866 --> 00:28:28.386
Yeah.

00:28:28.527 --> 00:28:29.268
Oh, yeah.

00:28:29.587 --> 00:28:30.147
Just sort of.

00:28:30.468 --> 00:28:30.948
And he was like,

00:28:31.228 --> 00:28:32.828
if you're looking to get any make any

00:28:32.868 --> 00:28:33.648
money from this,

00:28:33.990 --> 00:28:34.789
this is not going to be.

00:28:34.829 --> 00:28:35.430
I was like, dude,

00:28:35.529 --> 00:28:37.191
I just want my I want my story

00:28:37.330 --> 00:28:37.431
out.

00:28:37.671 --> 00:28:39.692
I just want people to read my stuff.

00:28:39.993 --> 00:28:41.234
I'm not looking for that.

00:28:42.556 --> 00:28:43.817
And they've been good.

00:28:43.978 --> 00:28:45.480
They've been good.

00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:45.819
I mean,

00:28:45.920 --> 00:28:48.623
I've had mixed things from publishers.

00:28:49.023 --> 00:28:50.325
I've had a quite rough run with

00:28:50.384 --> 00:28:50.885
publishers,

00:28:51.246 --> 00:28:54.088
like the most unprofessional publishers

00:28:54.128 --> 00:28:54.789
you've ever heard.

00:28:56.531 --> 00:28:58.614
I've heard rumors of that.

00:28:59.275 --> 00:29:01.855
from many a people and there's some you

00:29:01.876 --> 00:29:03.396
know when they send you the rejection

00:29:03.416 --> 00:29:05.317
they're like they're very polite and very

00:29:05.357 --> 00:29:06.719
nice about it i've heard there's some that

00:29:06.739 --> 00:29:07.799
are just out there that are just

00:29:09.219 --> 00:29:10.480
flat-out dickheads about it.

00:29:10.500 --> 00:29:12.221
Like, Ian, know yourself as shit.

00:29:12.661 --> 00:29:15.083
Bye.

00:29:15.182 --> 00:29:15.363
I mean,

00:29:15.423 --> 00:29:17.964
this is literally us signing a contract,

00:29:18.285 --> 00:29:19.006
me working through them,

00:29:19.365 --> 00:29:24.028
and then literally them telling me that we

00:29:24.068 --> 00:29:26.230
need the comic in two months before,

00:29:26.330 --> 00:29:27.250
two months before the deadline.

00:29:27.451 --> 00:29:28.231
So I'm working towards that.

00:29:28.392 --> 00:29:29.712
And then suddenly, out of the blue,

00:29:29.873 --> 00:29:31.453
four months before, they go,

00:29:31.814 --> 00:29:32.595
we need the cover now.

00:29:32.615 --> 00:29:34.435
I'm like, you didn't tell me that.

00:29:34.895 --> 00:29:35.836
Yeah, but we need the cover now.

00:29:35.997 --> 00:29:36.596
I did tell you that.

00:29:37.137 --> 00:29:38.298
I checked my emails.

00:29:39.659 --> 00:29:41.220
they did not tell me that so i

00:29:41.240 --> 00:29:43.859
had to just quickly rummage for and get

00:29:43.900 --> 00:29:46.101
a cover and by the end of it

00:29:46.500 --> 00:29:48.580
i i i had to i just i

00:29:48.621 --> 00:29:50.902
just became a petulant child because i was

00:29:50.942 --> 00:29:53.823
so angry they were they kept doing making

00:29:53.843 --> 00:29:56.762
me jump yeah i just uh we we

00:29:56.864 --> 00:29:58.364
we separated i had enough you know i

00:29:58.403 --> 00:30:00.765
mean it's just that's horrible man you

00:30:00.805 --> 00:30:02.384
can't do that to people yeah

00:30:03.786 --> 00:30:04.965
And then another publisher became

00:30:05.006 --> 00:30:05.405
bankrupt.

00:30:05.425 --> 00:30:06.386
He was a smaller publisher.

00:30:06.426 --> 00:30:07.948
So it's been a bit of a rocky

00:30:07.988 --> 00:30:08.327
road,

00:30:08.367 --> 00:30:11.429
but there's a security there and they're

00:30:12.710 --> 00:30:12.829
good.

00:30:12.849 --> 00:30:14.631
They have a very nice lineup.

00:30:14.651 --> 00:30:16.511
So for anybody interested in seeing what

00:30:16.652 --> 00:30:19.593
else they have out there beside grinding

00:30:19.613 --> 00:30:22.815
and against the marrow from snake here in

00:30:22.974 --> 00:30:24.695
zeal from Mike's grace,

00:30:25.036 --> 00:30:26.656
go over and check them out on Instagram.

00:30:26.676 --> 00:30:28.538
They do have a very nice lineup.

00:30:28.597 --> 00:30:29.637
And I think they have a little bit

00:30:29.678 --> 00:30:30.898
of everything over there that could be

00:30:33.057 --> 00:30:34.218
if you're interested in comics and want to

00:30:34.238 --> 00:30:34.698
read something,

00:30:34.738 --> 00:30:35.939
they may have what you're looking for

00:30:35.959 --> 00:30:38.201
because they do have a very nice lineup.

00:30:40.502 --> 00:30:42.924
It was also the case where as soon

00:30:42.984 --> 00:30:44.246
as I got published,

00:30:46.208 --> 00:30:48.029
Morrow just sent me a page.

00:30:48.690 --> 00:30:49.631
It was going to just be in black

00:30:49.651 --> 00:30:49.931
and white.

00:30:49.951 --> 00:30:50.872
The whole comic was just going to be

00:30:50.892 --> 00:30:51.393
in black and white.

00:30:52.433 --> 00:30:53.595
The first page in color.

00:30:54.015 --> 00:30:55.016
I kind of looked at it and just

00:30:55.036 --> 00:30:59.058
went... This is one of those books,

00:30:59.098 --> 00:30:59.318
though,

00:30:59.359 --> 00:30:59.619
where

00:31:00.980 --> 00:31:04.326
color looks so good on it yeah especially

00:31:04.346 --> 00:31:06.409
because the town and the way how gritty

00:31:06.509 --> 00:31:08.573
it is you want that grittiness to show

00:31:08.613 --> 00:31:09.894
through and you could have missed that if

00:31:09.934 --> 00:31:11.076
it was in black and white

00:31:12.388 --> 00:31:14.829
And then also his partner,

00:31:14.849 --> 00:31:16.832
who's also like a comic book artist.

00:31:17.852 --> 00:31:19.633
She was taking interest reading the comic

00:31:19.712 --> 00:31:20.773
online quite a bit.

00:31:20.834 --> 00:31:22.815
And she just messaged us one time and

00:31:22.835 --> 00:31:23.234
said, like,

00:31:23.555 --> 00:31:24.875
I'd love to do a cover for you

00:31:25.896 --> 00:31:27.778
just because I just want to do a

00:31:27.817 --> 00:31:29.699
free cover for you because I'm really

00:31:29.719 --> 00:31:30.980
enjoying reading the series.

00:31:31.000 --> 00:31:32.420
Is that what we're talking about?

00:31:32.800 --> 00:31:34.541
Yeah, that was actually like.

00:31:35.382 --> 00:31:36.542
part of the next question so i'll throw

00:31:37.083 --> 00:31:38.243
that name out there just to get it

00:31:38.304 --> 00:31:42.007
out there now so yeah so yeah and

00:31:42.027 --> 00:31:43.887
then she did it and i looked at

00:31:43.948 --> 00:31:46.970
it and was just like oh i'm so

00:31:47.069 --> 00:31:48.651
i'm gonna have to pay you to do

00:31:48.750 --> 00:31:50.451
all the covers to be honest and yeah

00:31:50.811 --> 00:31:52.032
i was fine with that to be honest

00:31:52.053 --> 00:31:53.933
because you know he's trying to focus on

00:31:53.953 --> 00:31:56.036
the interior artwork so it took a little

00:31:56.056 --> 00:31:58.396
bit of pressure off yeah and that's that's

00:31:58.537 --> 00:32:01.298
uh mario doyle defalco right who's doing

00:32:01.338 --> 00:32:02.339
the interiors yeah

00:32:03.307 --> 00:32:05.130
And our relationship,

00:32:06.111 --> 00:32:07.912
our work relationship has been great.

00:32:08.633 --> 00:32:09.953
It's the best one I've ever had with

00:32:09.973 --> 00:32:10.515
an artist.

00:32:11.756 --> 00:32:13.676
It was interesting how he came about

00:32:13.696 --> 00:32:15.699
because originally I had a different

00:32:15.778 --> 00:32:18.080
artist and his style was a bit more

00:32:18.101 --> 00:32:18.741
stylized.

00:32:19.001 --> 00:32:20.063
So it would have been a different comic

00:32:20.083 --> 00:32:20.262
book.

00:32:20.303 --> 00:32:21.564
It would have been a different just like

00:32:21.845 --> 00:32:22.845
different look to the comic.

00:32:23.346 --> 00:32:26.469
Well, I paid him for the pages.

00:32:27.765 --> 00:32:31.208
And I'd given him a deadline and then

00:32:31.348 --> 00:32:32.308
two weeks passed by.

00:32:32.890 --> 00:32:35.211
I messaged him, heard nothing back.

00:32:35.673 --> 00:32:37.815
And then like two weeks later,

00:32:37.835 --> 00:32:38.515
he was like, oh, here you go,

00:32:38.535 --> 00:32:39.175
here you go, I've done this.

00:32:39.215 --> 00:32:42.919
And I was like, dude,

00:32:42.979 --> 00:32:44.201
I don't wish you any negativity,

00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:45.961
but I cannot work this way because I

00:32:46.001 --> 00:32:47.864
knew this project was going to be an

00:32:47.943 --> 00:32:48.684
ongoing project.

00:32:48.704 --> 00:32:48.785
Yeah.

00:32:49.404 --> 00:32:51.125
and it's also one of those where if

00:32:51.145 --> 00:32:53.266
they show who they are up front like

00:32:53.306 --> 00:32:55.787
that it makes you less willing and it

00:32:55.807 --> 00:32:57.866
makes it also makes it easier just to

00:32:57.926 --> 00:32:59.407
to cut it right there on the spot

00:32:59.488 --> 00:33:02.868
because you're on a deadline so therefore

00:33:02.888 --> 00:33:04.588
you have to put him on the deadline

00:33:04.969 --> 00:33:06.548
and those two things have to match up

00:33:06.588 --> 00:33:08.190
and if he's just like lapsed a days

00:33:08.230 --> 00:33:11.631
ago about his deadlines then it's just not

00:33:11.671 --> 00:33:12.290
good business

00:33:13.952 --> 00:33:14.874
No, I mean,

00:33:14.894 --> 00:33:16.193
when you're doing a webcomic as well,

00:33:16.693 --> 00:33:19.075
you've got readers who are waiting for it

00:33:19.115 --> 00:33:20.296
on that specific day.

00:33:20.336 --> 00:33:24.116
How often does the webtoon drop?

00:33:24.596 --> 00:33:26.018
Every month on the seventh.

00:33:26.397 --> 00:33:28.719
This month was the first time we were

00:33:28.739 --> 00:33:29.979
a little bit late by a couple of

00:33:30.019 --> 00:33:30.219
days,

00:33:30.278 --> 00:33:31.720
so I did have to apologize to people.

00:33:32.339 --> 00:33:33.721
Laura was trying something a bit more

00:33:33.760 --> 00:33:35.300
extensive, a lot more detail.

00:33:35.980 --> 00:33:38.142
Also, in that episode, more pages.

00:33:38.843 --> 00:33:40.143
We had a few more pages this time.

00:33:40.182 --> 00:33:40.343
Oh, nice.

00:33:40.363 --> 00:33:42.544
So it was worth the wait, you know?

00:33:42.943 --> 00:33:43.663
Yeah.

00:33:43.723 --> 00:33:43.923
You know,

00:33:43.943 --> 00:33:45.704
and I was messing with lettering as well.

00:33:45.765 --> 00:33:47.046
So it was just, but, you know,

00:33:47.286 --> 00:33:49.507
sent a little message out at the bottom

00:33:49.747 --> 00:33:51.147
of the webtoon just saying, sorry,

00:33:51.188 --> 00:33:51.907
apologies for this.

00:33:53.489 --> 00:33:55.990
But I think it's a pretty good episode

00:33:56.170 --> 00:33:59.290
because Soma kicks the shit.

00:33:59.310 --> 00:33:59.931
Sorry, I lied to her.

00:34:00.031 --> 00:34:00.612
No, no, no.

00:34:00.672 --> 00:34:01.352
You can say shit.

00:34:01.711 --> 00:34:01.852
I mean,

00:34:01.872 --> 00:34:04.032
I've been saying dick for like a couple

00:34:05.034 --> 00:34:06.314
episodes.

00:34:06.334 --> 00:34:08.034
Soma kicks the shit out of the town,

00:34:08.094 --> 00:34:08.614
put it that way.

00:34:08.695 --> 00:34:12.036
Her rage bubbles up and it's pretty good.

00:34:12.822 --> 00:34:15.202
nice i like it man she she deserves

00:34:15.244 --> 00:34:20.226
to get that out there um are there

00:34:20.306 --> 00:34:22.608
any moments within the art of morrow or

00:34:22.668 --> 00:34:25.210
even the covers of valentina that

00:34:25.670 --> 00:34:28.771
surprised you and like like that you

00:34:28.811 --> 00:34:30.452
received the page or something i know you

00:34:30.492 --> 00:34:32.153
just gave us your reaction to the cover

00:34:32.173 --> 00:34:34.335
that valentina done for you but was there

00:34:34.375 --> 00:34:36.115
a page that morrow done that where you

00:34:36.155 --> 00:34:38.818
got it and you're like holy dude i

00:34:38.838 --> 00:34:40.318
didn't expect you to go this hard on

00:34:40.358 --> 00:34:40.599
this

00:34:42.172 --> 00:34:44.996
That is the best thing in the world.

00:34:45.056 --> 00:34:47.277
That's the reason why I make comics.

00:34:47.338 --> 00:34:51.320
Because when you give someone a script and

00:34:51.460 --> 00:34:52.842
they come back to you with pages,

00:34:52.862 --> 00:34:54.284
and it's always the best part of my

00:34:54.304 --> 00:34:54.583
day.

00:34:55.324 --> 00:34:57.206
I bet for any comic creator,

00:34:57.246 --> 00:34:58.608
the best part of the day is when

00:34:58.668 --> 00:35:00.869
an artist comes back to you with pages.

00:35:01.010 --> 00:35:04.253
And it's better than what you thought it

00:35:04.373 --> 00:35:04.693
would be.

00:35:04.932 --> 00:35:06.373
Like, oh yeah.

00:35:06.393 --> 00:35:06.793
I mean,

00:35:06.813 --> 00:35:08.275
there's been multiple occasions when

00:35:08.315 --> 00:35:08.855
that's happened.

00:35:09.255 --> 00:35:10.315
So this, this new one,

00:35:11.115 --> 00:35:13.737
there's a bit when Soma just,

00:35:13.757 --> 00:35:14.938
I don't want to ruin it, but like,

00:35:14.978 --> 00:35:17.880
yeah,

00:35:18.139 --> 00:35:20.021
there's like a hero shot of Soma with

00:35:20.081 --> 00:35:21.121
fire behind her.

00:35:22.521 --> 00:35:23.902
And I was just, I was like,

00:35:23.983 --> 00:35:25.083
I was trying to show her like,

00:35:25.103 --> 00:35:28.105
I was trying to show him some reference

00:35:28.144 --> 00:35:29.806
pictures of the crow with the fire behind.

00:35:29.865 --> 00:35:31.346
And he totally kind of did it.

00:35:31.385 --> 00:35:33.708
He totally made it his own thing.

00:35:33.768 --> 00:35:34.027
Yeah.

00:35:36.003 --> 00:35:37.824
I always enjoy when artists do that.

00:35:38.545 --> 00:35:40.186
Anytime I have a lot of writers on

00:35:40.226 --> 00:35:41.746
here, I always open the door.

00:35:41.766 --> 00:35:43.809
It's for creatives, for comic books.

00:35:44.289 --> 00:35:46.110
Whether you're a writer, an artist,

00:35:46.731 --> 00:35:47.891
lettering, colors,

00:35:48.391 --> 00:35:49.652
we want you to come on the show

00:35:49.713 --> 00:35:51.534
and tell us about your work and show

00:35:51.594 --> 00:35:53.054
us your work and that kind of stuff.

00:35:53.655 --> 00:35:53.855
So

00:35:55.146 --> 00:35:56.867
it's one of those where I've talked to

00:35:56.907 --> 00:35:59.789
Sabe Francisco Nilo is also very close to

00:35:59.809 --> 00:36:00.030
me.

00:36:00.710 --> 00:36:02.313
And, um, he,

00:36:02.413 --> 00:36:04.735
he works on the bit of literium series

00:36:04.755 --> 00:36:07.257
and it's always fun talking to them and

00:36:07.277 --> 00:36:10.179
how much they appreciate when the writer

00:36:10.199 --> 00:36:10.900
just says, Hey,

00:36:11.541 --> 00:36:13.003
this is what I'm looking for.

00:36:14.043 --> 00:36:15.664
Do you, you know,

00:36:16.144 --> 00:36:18.688
especially for like Francisco, who's, um,

00:36:20.693 --> 00:36:24.739
He's working with Nick to take the book,

00:36:25.260 --> 00:36:28.304
Videlirium, and make it into a comic book.

00:36:28.344 --> 00:36:29.824
So they're breaking it out like chapters

00:36:29.864 --> 00:36:32.208
by chapters and turning it into a comic

00:36:32.228 --> 00:36:32.369
book.

00:36:32.389 --> 00:36:33.869
So he's had a lot of character to

00:36:33.911 --> 00:36:35.512
design and that kind of stuff.

00:36:36.353 --> 00:36:38.793
So it's been really cool seeing his work

00:36:38.833 --> 00:36:40.574
in that format and how much creative

00:36:40.614 --> 00:36:43.114
freedom that when writers give an artist

00:36:43.175 --> 00:36:44.994
creative freedom to make something their

00:36:45.155 --> 00:36:45.315
own,

00:36:45.775 --> 00:36:47.195
you're going to get better products at the

00:36:47.356 --> 00:36:48.076
end of the day.

00:36:48.635 --> 00:36:50.356
And every single one of them always

00:36:50.396 --> 00:36:52.476
appreciate that about writers when they

00:36:52.516 --> 00:36:53.416
go, hey,

00:36:53.436 --> 00:36:54.717
this is kind of what I'm looking for.

00:36:56.297 --> 00:36:58.038
Here you go.

00:36:58.378 --> 00:37:01.018
Make it yours from the art perspective.

00:37:01.936 --> 00:37:04.563
so i mean at the top of my

00:37:04.603 --> 00:37:08.092
scripts always i put a little um

00:37:08.152 --> 00:37:08.813
disclosure

00:37:11.311 --> 00:37:13.432
obviously like if you feel,

00:37:14.172 --> 00:37:15.592
if at any point when reading the script,

00:37:15.612 --> 00:37:16.914
you feel that you can do something better

00:37:17.153 --> 00:37:18.333
and make the panels flow better,

00:37:18.653 --> 00:37:21.014
make the story work better, then do it.

00:37:21.054 --> 00:37:22.335
Tell me about it, do it,

00:37:22.394 --> 00:37:23.454
try it out, whatever.

00:37:23.474 --> 00:37:26.115
All that matters to me, ignore ego,

00:37:26.275 --> 00:37:28.076
all that matters to me is telling the

00:37:28.096 --> 00:37:29.137
story the best way possible.

00:37:29.597 --> 00:37:33.297
Because, you know, you just have to.

00:37:33.398 --> 00:37:35.657
It's putting your trust in the artist to

00:37:35.717 --> 00:37:37.878
do what is best for the product that

00:37:37.898 --> 00:37:38.599
you're working on.

00:37:39.974 --> 00:37:40.735
And I know some,

00:37:41.034 --> 00:37:43.436
like for Shockhead at Peter,

00:37:44.976 --> 00:37:46.157
the writing team over there,

00:37:46.197 --> 00:37:48.918
they literally made a Bible for Sabe.

00:37:49.518 --> 00:37:50.717
It was literally everything they're

00:37:50.737 --> 00:37:51.818
looking for for the book.

00:37:52.278 --> 00:37:52.619
Like, hey,

00:37:52.659 --> 00:37:53.998
we want to see the sun from this

00:37:54.039 --> 00:37:55.699
direction, hitting the character this way.

00:37:55.780 --> 00:37:57.300
And Sabe is one of those artists where

00:37:59.001 --> 00:38:00.481
just give him the details and he makes

00:38:00.521 --> 00:38:01.481
it work.

00:38:02.681 --> 00:38:04.322
Or if it doesn't work after he's done

00:38:04.402 --> 00:38:06.362
it, he goes back and says, hey,

00:38:07.563 --> 00:38:08.324
this doesn't work.

00:38:09.143 --> 00:38:10.083
How about this?

00:38:10.204 --> 00:38:11.545
I think this looks better than what you

00:38:11.565 --> 00:38:12.065
had in there.

00:38:12.125 --> 00:38:14.365
And they were like, dude, yeah, no,

00:38:14.465 --> 00:38:15.266
you were right on that one.

00:38:15.306 --> 00:38:15.865
Let's go with that.

00:38:16.527 --> 00:38:18.686
So they give him creative freedom,

00:38:19.188 --> 00:38:22.748
but they also gave him like this nice,

00:38:22.829 --> 00:38:26.449
beautiful book of like, hey,

00:38:26.489 --> 00:38:28.471
here's here's what we're doing, you know.

00:38:30.748 --> 00:38:32.708
which is really cool.

00:38:32.789 --> 00:38:35.690
I think the same thing happened with Scott

00:38:35.710 --> 00:38:39.092
Snyder when he was working with Greg

00:38:39.112 --> 00:38:40.052
Capullo.

00:38:40.132 --> 00:38:42.873
Greg was just like, no,

00:38:43.094 --> 00:38:45.074
you need to calm down and relax a

00:38:45.094 --> 00:38:45.655
little bit more.

00:38:45.735 --> 00:38:48.016
I mean, don't get me wrong.

00:38:48.036 --> 00:38:49.396
Scott Snyder is a great teacher and he's

00:38:49.456 --> 00:38:50.317
a really good writer.

00:38:51.137 --> 00:38:52.978
Absolute Batman, man.

00:38:53.079 --> 00:38:55.039
It's probably the number one comic book in

00:38:55.059 --> 00:38:55.940
the country right now.

00:38:57.164 --> 00:39:00.407
But he had to alter his way,

00:39:00.467 --> 00:39:01.307
his workflow,

00:39:01.568 --> 00:39:03.550
because that's just the way Greg needs a

00:39:03.630 --> 00:39:06.311
little bit more freedom.

00:39:06.612 --> 00:39:12.215
Dude, I love Capullo, and I'll show you.

00:39:12.235 --> 00:39:15.659
That is the Batman spawn from Capullo and

00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:16.358
Matt Farland.

00:39:17.000 --> 00:39:19.041
That's the vinyl poster that all the comic

00:39:19.061 --> 00:39:19.641
shops got.

00:39:19.661 --> 00:39:20.722
Oh, wow.

00:39:21.706 --> 00:39:22.786
I was able to get my hands on

00:39:22.806 --> 00:39:24.447
that because I love Capullo.

00:39:25.447 --> 00:39:27.327
Well, I love McFarlane as well, obviously,

00:39:27.427 --> 00:39:29.568
but Capullo's Batman is probably my

00:39:29.588 --> 00:39:30.349
favorite Batman.

00:39:31.568 --> 00:39:34.130
Especially because it gave us like Devil

00:39:34.150 --> 00:39:35.070
Dog or War Dog,

00:39:35.110 --> 00:39:37.250
whatever the first Batman vs.

00:39:37.269 --> 00:39:39.690
Spawn was where he split Spawn down the

00:39:39.710 --> 00:39:41.510
middle with the Batarang.

00:39:42.210 --> 00:39:45.371
And then McFarlane liked that look so much

00:39:45.391 --> 00:39:48.293
that he just stitched Spawn's face up and

00:39:48.333 --> 00:39:49.652
that was in the comic book for like

00:39:49.693 --> 00:39:49.992
years.

00:39:50.873 --> 00:39:51.614
I remember, like,

00:39:51.655 --> 00:39:53.536
the Batarang in Spawn's face.

00:39:53.556 --> 00:39:56.559
I remember reading that as a kid.

00:39:56.579 --> 00:39:58.559
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:39:58.579 --> 00:39:58.880
That's cool.

00:39:58.940 --> 00:40:01.282
And that's the second run of Batman Spawn,

00:40:01.302 --> 00:40:02.643
which was really phenomenal.

00:40:03.284 --> 00:40:06.286
But, yeah, I'm a huge fan of Capullo.

00:40:06.586 --> 00:40:07.867
And if you're not a fan of Capullo,

00:40:07.887 --> 00:40:09.028
I don't know what y'all are doing out

00:40:09.068 --> 00:40:09.289
there.

00:40:09.869 --> 00:40:11.771
He does phenomenal, phenomenal work.

00:40:11.791 --> 00:40:12.172
Yeah.

00:40:15.581 --> 00:40:17.943
So grinding against the marrow isn't

00:40:17.963 --> 00:40:19.244
afraid to talk about homelessness,

00:40:19.304 --> 00:40:22.088
addiction, prejudice, and survival.

00:40:22.608 --> 00:40:24.710
What do you help readers walk away from

00:40:24.851 --> 00:40:27.414
after getting to know SOMA?

00:40:29.855 --> 00:40:30.655
I hope they're having,

00:40:30.755 --> 00:40:32.215
they have a fun journey with it.

00:40:32.476 --> 00:40:33.496
I mean, I hope that, you know,

00:40:33.516 --> 00:40:34.576
I hope it's a fun journey.

00:40:34.596 --> 00:40:35.356
It's an entertaining,

00:40:35.516 --> 00:40:36.496
entertaining journey.

00:40:36.996 --> 00:40:37.976
I hope, you know,

00:40:38.396 --> 00:40:40.418
it takes you places you didn't think the

00:40:40.438 --> 00:40:41.297
story was going to go.

00:40:43.137 --> 00:40:43.657
I think, you know,

00:40:43.677 --> 00:40:44.838
there's an escalation value.

00:40:44.858 --> 00:40:46.458
I was very much when I was writing

00:40:46.518 --> 00:40:47.739
it, thinking about the escalation value,

00:40:47.759 --> 00:40:50.400
she gets deeper into the darker seedy side

00:40:50.420 --> 00:40:51.980
of the city as it goes on.

00:40:52.840 --> 00:40:54.320
And then also, you know,

00:40:56.684 --> 00:40:58.125
getting something different out of comics,

00:40:58.164 --> 00:40:58.324
you know,

00:40:58.344 --> 00:41:01.226
having this poetry element to it,

00:41:01.706 --> 00:41:03.286
just seeing things that are different and

00:41:03.347 --> 00:41:06.208
seeing that actually the medium can also

00:41:06.248 --> 00:41:07.427
work with all these other things.

00:41:08.748 --> 00:41:08.909
You know,

00:41:09.188 --> 00:41:10.469
I like being surprised by comics.

00:41:10.710 --> 00:41:12.550
I'm currently reading like Michael

00:41:12.570 --> 00:41:14.451
Stravinsky's bullet.

00:41:15.010 --> 00:41:16.472
It's called bullet.

00:41:17.634 --> 00:41:19.635
I actually love Michael Stravinsky as

00:41:19.675 --> 00:41:19.815
well.

00:41:19.835 --> 00:41:21.635
I just think he's so, um,

00:41:22.496 --> 00:41:23.117
what's it called?

00:41:23.476 --> 00:41:24.416
Um, bullet points.

00:41:25.117 --> 00:41:26.978
It's like a world,

00:41:27.159 --> 00:41:28.219
even though it's not because of,

00:41:29.119 --> 00:41:30.599
it's like an elseworld thing on like

00:41:30.639 --> 00:41:31.701
Marvel where the,

00:41:32.721 --> 00:41:35.402
where like the person who, um,

00:41:36.382 --> 00:41:38.583
created the serum for captain Rogers,

00:41:38.623 --> 00:41:39.204
Steve Rogers.

00:41:40.284 --> 00:41:42.545
So Superman, uh,

00:41:42.585 --> 00:41:43.626
captain America doesn't exist.

00:41:43.927 --> 00:41:45.588
So the timeline changes.

00:41:46.208 --> 00:41:46.347
Yeah.

00:41:47.440 --> 00:41:47.601
You know,

00:41:47.641 --> 00:41:48.922
it's just when you're reading something

00:41:48.943 --> 00:41:51.527
and you're just like, oh, this is good.

00:41:51.648 --> 00:41:54.351
So if you want a good read,

00:41:54.492 --> 00:41:56.755
Aubrey Sitterson's Free Planet.

00:42:00.268 --> 00:42:00.447
Okay.

00:42:00.547 --> 00:42:00.728
Yeah.

00:42:01.568 --> 00:42:03.528
The first trade paperback just came out

00:42:03.568 --> 00:42:03.969
for it.

00:42:04.489 --> 00:42:05.688
I've been collecting the floppy.

00:42:05.728 --> 00:42:06.849
So I'm just going to roll with the

00:42:06.889 --> 00:42:08.849
floppies until they do a big Omnibus or

00:42:08.869 --> 00:42:09.231
something.

00:42:10.170 --> 00:42:12.751
But that book is phenomenal.

00:42:13.331 --> 00:42:13.512
Like,

00:42:13.592 --> 00:42:15.231
especially given everything going on in

00:42:15.251 --> 00:42:17.793
the world currently from all viewpoints,

00:42:18.793 --> 00:42:21.574
it fits like the mold perfectly.

00:42:21.713 --> 00:42:22.213
And it's like,

00:42:22.614 --> 00:42:26.275
you're reading this book and you're like,

00:42:26.295 --> 00:42:26.996
dude, is he?

00:42:30.030 --> 00:42:31.972
this is very familiar like this sounds

00:42:31.992 --> 00:42:33.893
familiar and then you you flip on the

00:42:33.934 --> 00:42:38.217
news and you're like fuck like there it

00:42:38.277 --> 00:42:40.057
is that's why it's so familiar because

00:42:40.077 --> 00:42:41.858
it's something actually happening right

00:42:41.878 --> 00:42:44.880
now and you're like what the hell but

00:42:44.940 --> 00:42:47.262
it's a phenomenal book aubrey sitterson is

00:42:47.583 --> 00:42:49.824
absolutely nailing free planning right now

00:42:50.425 --> 00:42:51.945
if you're not reading that everybody

00:42:53.108 --> 00:42:55.170
Read Free Planet by Aubrey Sitterson.

00:42:55.190 --> 00:42:56.652
The trade paperback is out.

00:42:57.152 --> 00:42:59.634
You will not be disappointed in that book.

00:43:00.394 --> 00:43:01.235
Sorry about that, Snake.

00:43:01.275 --> 00:43:01.815
Now continue.

00:43:02.539 --> 00:43:03.161
No, it's great.

00:43:03.360 --> 00:43:05.202
It's actually great to hear because it's

00:43:05.342 --> 00:43:07.485
on my list of things to get it

00:43:07.525 --> 00:43:08.945
next when it was kind of coming out

00:43:09.286 --> 00:43:10.148
because I saw it.

00:43:10.208 --> 00:43:12.050
I thought this looks pretty good.

00:43:12.070 --> 00:43:14.391
It was like being its image and stuff.

00:43:14.411 --> 00:43:16.094
And I love image and stuff.

00:43:16.114 --> 00:43:17.454
So I was like it was on my

00:43:17.494 --> 00:43:17.695
list,

00:43:17.735 --> 00:43:19.797
but it's great to hear a recommendation.

00:43:20.677 --> 00:43:22.018
It was so good.

00:43:22.059 --> 00:43:23.860
I think they're on issue seven right now.

00:43:24.742 --> 00:43:26.163
And it has just been one of those

00:43:26.222 --> 00:43:27.923
books where I'm excited when I go to

00:43:27.943 --> 00:43:29.724
the comic book shop and it's the new

00:43:30.005 --> 00:43:31.806
releases there for it.

00:43:31.826 --> 00:43:32.847
And there's not a whole lot of books

00:43:32.887 --> 00:43:34.547
I could say that about, you know,

00:43:34.788 --> 00:43:37.128
but well, there is, but there isn't.

00:43:44.393 --> 00:43:45.713
No, this is this week's polls.

00:43:45.733 --> 00:43:45.833
Yeah.

00:43:48.663 --> 00:43:49.784
Well, I Hate Fairylands,

00:43:49.824 --> 00:43:52.005
another one from Scotty Young.

00:43:52.465 --> 00:43:52.764
Yeah.

00:43:52.784 --> 00:43:54.306
Just a fun story.

00:43:54.346 --> 00:43:55.766
It doesn't take itself serious.

00:43:55.786 --> 00:43:57.507
It's just really, really fun.

00:43:58.128 --> 00:43:59.108
There's Free Planet right there.

00:43:59.128 --> 00:44:00.088
It came out this week,

00:44:00.969 --> 00:44:01.869
and it was issue seven.

00:44:03.250 --> 00:44:04.971
And then the absolute Batman,

00:44:05.110 --> 00:44:09.574
the one-shot Joker come out.

00:44:09.594 --> 00:44:10.693
There was something else in here that kind

00:44:10.733 --> 00:44:11.175
of stood out.

00:44:11.215 --> 00:44:12.155
That's why I'm looking.

00:44:12.175 --> 00:44:12.594
I'm sorry.

00:44:12.614 --> 00:44:13.936
No, it's cool.

00:44:15.789 --> 00:44:18.030
um oh ani press ec comments with their

00:44:18.070 --> 00:44:19.572
shiver suspense stories if you like

00:44:19.632 --> 00:44:23.255
anthologies phenomenal stuff geiger

00:44:23.335 --> 00:44:25.398
anything from ghost machine i don't know

00:44:25.418 --> 00:44:28.019
if that's on your list yet okay ah

00:44:28.661 --> 00:44:31.943
that's it crownsville rodney barnes is

00:44:31.983 --> 00:44:35.126
based on a real hospital and the horror

00:44:35.166 --> 00:44:36.827
stories that came from that hospital

00:44:37.597 --> 00:44:39.257
That's really cool.

00:44:39.277 --> 00:44:39.358
Yeah.

00:44:39.378 --> 00:44:41.518
Rodney Barnes, for those not familiar,

00:44:42.898 --> 00:44:43.880
he's done Star Wars.

00:44:43.900 --> 00:44:44.840
He's done some Marvel.

00:44:44.900 --> 00:44:47.199
But his stuff with horror,

00:44:47.960 --> 00:44:49.501
some of the best horror comic books you'll

00:44:49.541 --> 00:44:49.780
read.

00:44:50.021 --> 00:44:52.581
Like it's true events.

00:44:52.922 --> 00:44:54.742
At least Crownsville is based on true

00:44:54.762 --> 00:44:58.762
events and phenomenal stuff.

00:44:59.322 --> 00:45:00.143
What's that called again?

00:45:00.204 --> 00:45:01.724
I'm going to have a look myself, actually.

00:45:01.804 --> 00:45:04.885
It's called Crownsville by Rodney Barnes.

00:45:04.905 --> 00:45:05.585
Cool.

00:45:06.820 --> 00:45:09.362
i think it's on bad idea is the

00:45:09.402 --> 00:45:11.963
publisher on that one let me check i

00:45:11.983 --> 00:45:12.943
don't want to i don't want to give

00:45:12.983 --> 00:45:16.184
you bad gouge uh ordained that just come

00:45:16.284 --> 00:45:18.826
out i read this already this met all

00:45:18.846 --> 00:45:23.608
the hype by the way i think it's

00:45:24.409 --> 00:45:26.570
so you know what i'm trying to do

00:45:26.590 --> 00:45:28.289
with a lot of my comics honey press

00:45:28.690 --> 00:45:28.931
did it

00:45:31.960 --> 00:45:33.300
So, you know,

00:45:33.340 --> 00:45:35.922
what I'm trying to read from writers and

00:45:35.961 --> 00:45:37.764
what I try and do is I want

00:45:37.784 --> 00:45:41.146
to read something that's fun and

00:45:41.206 --> 00:45:41.945
enjoyable,

00:45:42.346 --> 00:45:46.369
but also has meaning and some kind of

00:45:46.409 --> 00:45:49.251
emotional connection to a reader.

00:45:49.570 --> 00:45:52.012
You know, there's a couple of readers,

00:45:52.271 --> 00:45:53.632
writers that I read now,

00:45:54.052 --> 00:45:56.054
and sometimes the comics are a little,

00:45:56.135 --> 00:45:57.014
I'm not going to mention things,

00:45:57.295 --> 00:45:59.896
but sometimes it's a bit too cerebral and

00:45:59.916 --> 00:46:01.318
there's just nothing involved.

00:46:01.737 --> 00:46:04.539
I love how Garth Ennis does that balance

00:46:04.619 --> 00:46:06.278
of it's both fun, enjoyable,

00:46:06.579 --> 00:46:08.059
lots of violence, lots of blah, blah,

00:46:08.179 --> 00:46:08.259
blah.

00:46:09.059 --> 00:46:12.219
Also, it's got meaning to it.

00:46:12.280 --> 00:46:13.960
It's not just violence to have violence.

00:46:14.340 --> 00:46:15.079
Yeah, exactly.

00:46:16.440 --> 00:46:17.460
Well, outside of Preacher,

00:46:17.501 --> 00:46:19.121
Preacher was kind of like an exception to

00:46:19.141 --> 00:46:19.400
the rule.

00:46:19.420 --> 00:46:20.641
There was some violence in there that was

00:46:20.661 --> 00:46:23.202
just... Especially in the earlier,

00:46:23.262 --> 00:46:26.842
like the first five or six books from

00:46:26.882 --> 00:46:29.463
the series, it was just like...

00:46:30.507 --> 00:46:32.387
violence just to have violence but it was

00:46:32.527 --> 00:46:34.708
character building for the characters who

00:46:34.748 --> 00:46:37.070
were committing the violent acts so i

00:46:37.090 --> 00:46:38.751
guess there was some meaning there but

00:46:40.351 --> 00:46:41.632
again it was just violence to have

00:46:41.693 --> 00:46:45.875
violence to build a character i mean so

00:46:47.431 --> 00:46:50.313
i always go back to like um sin

00:46:50.333 --> 00:46:53.916
city it's really violent but it's so well

00:46:53.956 --> 00:46:56.639
told and it yeah kind of dropped into

00:46:56.659 --> 00:46:58.880
this world and it's a violent horrible

00:46:58.920 --> 00:47:01.443
stylized world and it just works and it's

00:47:01.503 --> 00:47:04.105
you know before frank miller went nuts and

00:47:04.125 --> 00:47:05.726
like he did do that yeah

00:47:08.427 --> 00:47:10.108
But, you know, like, so for me,

00:47:10.148 --> 00:47:11.170
you know, as a, as a, as a,

00:47:11.250 --> 00:47:12.530
as a, as a, as a, as a,

00:47:12.550 --> 00:47:13.512
as a, as a, as a, as a,

00:47:13.572 --> 00:47:14.333
as a, as a, as a, as a,

00:47:14.353 --> 00:47:15.112
as a, as a, as a, as a,

00:47:15.152 --> 00:47:17.695
as a, as a, as a, as a,

00:47:17.855 --> 00:47:19.416
as a, as a, as a,

00:47:38.855 --> 00:47:40.976
one scene in the movie if i'm not

00:47:40.996 --> 00:47:43.317
mistaken like it was like a a fifteen

00:47:43.336 --> 00:47:45.557
minute slot that you could technically cut

00:47:45.717 --> 00:47:47.820
out of the movie and the movie would

00:47:47.860 --> 00:47:50.860
still work yeah yeah but tarantino did it

00:47:50.880 --> 00:47:54.003
for free for robert rodriguez yeah and i

00:47:54.023 --> 00:47:55.623
think he's also a big fan of uh

00:47:55.682 --> 00:47:57.623
frank as well so that's kind of cool

00:47:57.664 --> 00:48:00.246
that they were like hey quentin we'll let

00:48:00.286 --> 00:48:03.027
you have like fifteen minutes of our movie

00:48:03.047 --> 00:48:04.668
do whatever you want as long as it's

00:48:04.688 --> 00:48:07.028
based on this so it's really cool

00:48:08.978 --> 00:48:11.880
so what are some of your big influence

00:48:11.900 --> 00:48:14.041
when you're getting the creative engines

00:48:14.081 --> 00:48:18.382
going like what's what do you feel that

00:48:19.001 --> 00:48:22.202
creative machine with like music i know

00:48:22.222 --> 00:48:25.563
you do poetry and you do uh that

00:48:25.603 --> 00:48:27.764
kind of stuff you do stand up uh

00:48:27.824 --> 00:48:32.445
poetry and that kind of stuff let's go

00:48:32.465 --> 00:48:34.206
what do you got what's the big influence

00:48:34.226 --> 00:48:35.666
to get that creative juice flowing

00:48:36.344 --> 00:48:36.945
You know, I mean,

00:48:37.846 --> 00:48:39.768
I'm an open – I'm an empty vessel,

00:48:39.788 --> 00:48:40.728
you know, like a jarhead.

00:48:41.268 --> 00:48:43.590
You know, films, books.

00:48:44.030 --> 00:48:45.632
I'm always reading comics as well,

00:48:45.672 --> 00:48:47.333
so comics art as well, you know,

00:48:47.353 --> 00:48:49.355
because it is the medium you're making,

00:48:49.414 --> 00:48:50.856
so it is good to – but then

00:48:50.896 --> 00:48:51.775
plays as well.

00:48:51.795 --> 00:48:54.217
So I don't discriminate.

00:48:54.898 --> 00:48:56.559
I like every medium for what it does

00:48:56.599 --> 00:48:57.380
and what it gives you.

00:48:57.820 --> 00:48:59.161
And, you know, they're all stories,

00:48:59.202 --> 00:49:00.242
so it's interesting.

00:49:00.382 --> 00:49:00.802
And then, you know,

00:49:01.202 --> 00:49:02.364
when you come up with an idea and

00:49:02.384 --> 00:49:02.684
stuff,

00:49:02.945 --> 00:49:04.706
it's good to kind of dig deep and

00:49:04.726 --> 00:49:07.306
kind of see –

00:49:06.327 --> 00:49:07.088
what works,

00:49:07.128 --> 00:49:08.608
what else works in that same vein.

00:49:08.648 --> 00:49:10.971
If you've got a scene that feels similar

00:49:11.231 --> 00:49:12.913
to a scene in a film,

00:49:13.172 --> 00:49:14.954
watch that film and just see how it

00:49:14.994 --> 00:49:16.735
works, why it's good,

00:49:16.835 --> 00:49:18.538
why it resonated with you and why you're

00:49:18.557 --> 00:49:19.498
thinking about it now.

00:49:20.259 --> 00:49:21.619
Um, yeah, I mean, you know,

00:49:21.701 --> 00:49:23.242
I make a lot on mood boards and

00:49:23.302 --> 00:49:24.443
yeah, music, music.

00:49:24.463 --> 00:49:27.585
I mean, I can't, I can't, um,

00:49:27.766 --> 00:49:29.387
play instruments and save my life,

00:49:29.907 --> 00:49:31.188
but I've always got headphones on,

00:49:31.369 --> 00:49:31.568
you know?

00:49:31.608 --> 00:49:31.889
Yeah.

00:49:32.670 --> 00:49:33.530
That when I'm, um,

00:49:34.838 --> 00:49:36.579
because I'm working on a secret project

00:49:36.639 --> 00:49:37.059
right now.

00:49:37.121 --> 00:49:38.762
So anytime I'm writing in my notebook,

00:49:39.422 --> 00:49:40.664
I have music in the background,

00:49:40.724 --> 00:49:43.007
just writing stuff out.

00:49:43.166 --> 00:49:44.489
Just like an idea pops in,

00:49:45.148 --> 00:49:45.989
got to write it down.

00:49:46.710 --> 00:49:47.711
Idea pops in at work.

00:49:48.672 --> 00:49:50.753
I keep an email to myself open throughout

00:49:50.793 --> 00:49:51.153
the day.

00:49:51.614 --> 00:49:53.175
That way when the idea hits,

00:49:53.215 --> 00:49:54.715
I just type it up into this email.

00:49:54.735 --> 00:49:55.817
And then at the end of the day,

00:49:56.456 --> 00:49:57.918
I send that email to myself and then

00:49:57.978 --> 00:50:00.340
I put it on my document.

00:50:01.000 --> 00:50:01.440
You know,

00:50:02.181 --> 00:50:04.123
this is a little trick that I do

00:50:04.182 --> 00:50:05.302
at work as well because we all got

00:50:05.342 --> 00:50:06.023
day jobs in it.

00:50:06.324 --> 00:50:07.704
But I do the exact same thing.

00:50:07.784 --> 00:50:10.067
It's one of the best things you can

00:50:10.086 --> 00:50:11.268
do to yourself because you don't want to

00:50:11.288 --> 00:50:11.668
lose it.

00:50:12.427 --> 00:50:15.610
no absolutely not yeah so it email it

00:50:15.650 --> 00:50:18.032
to yourself though the way it's there even

00:50:18.072 --> 00:50:19.952
if you forget to annotate it later and

00:50:20.132 --> 00:50:22.094
like move it over to your your document

00:50:22.114 --> 00:50:24.356
that you're working on or to your uh

00:50:24.396 --> 00:50:26.617
your board that you're working on because

00:50:26.697 --> 00:50:28.239
i've done that before and i was like

00:50:29.039 --> 00:50:30.960
like sitting here like typing stuff out

00:50:31.000 --> 00:50:33.981
and just putting the idea down and i'm

00:50:34.021 --> 00:50:36.784
like i'm missing something hop over to my

00:50:36.884 --> 00:50:39.146
email like there it is that's what i'm

00:50:39.166 --> 00:50:40.507
missing and pop it over

00:50:41.751 --> 00:50:42.112
But yeah,

00:50:42.172 --> 00:50:43.733
that's the best way to do it for

00:50:43.833 --> 00:50:44.972
any creative out there.

00:50:45.333 --> 00:50:46.072
Keep an email.

00:50:46.233 --> 00:50:47.594
Like if you're at your nine to five

00:50:48.233 --> 00:50:50.614
and you're into podcasting it from home or

00:50:51.355 --> 00:50:52.494
your artist who has,

00:50:52.574 --> 00:50:54.036
or a writer who has a day job,

00:50:54.056 --> 00:50:55.496
keep an email open to yourself.

00:50:56.275 --> 00:50:58.097
And then if something hits you during the

00:50:58.137 --> 00:51:00.496
day, jot it out real quick.

00:51:01.217 --> 00:51:01.938
At the end of the day,

00:51:01.958 --> 00:51:02.637
just hit send.

00:51:03.858 --> 00:51:04.998
Make sure you hit send at the end

00:51:05.039 --> 00:51:05.478
of the day.

00:51:05.978 --> 00:51:07.298
You don't want your computer restarting

00:51:07.358 --> 00:51:08.679
randomly in the middle of the night and

00:51:08.699 --> 00:51:09.360
lose everything.

00:51:11.038 --> 00:51:12.418
I've had that happen more than once.

00:51:13.438 --> 00:51:14.199
But I, as well,

00:51:14.219 --> 00:51:15.259
cause you know what you're saying about

00:51:15.298 --> 00:51:15.878
music as well.

00:51:16.219 --> 00:51:17.780
I also think it's a cheat code.

00:51:17.920 --> 00:51:19.079
You know, it get,

00:51:19.179 --> 00:51:20.860
if you have the right music and obviously

00:51:20.880 --> 00:51:21.960
it's going to put you in a certain

00:51:22.001 --> 00:51:22.280
mood.

00:51:22.681 --> 00:51:24.061
And so, you know,

00:51:24.081 --> 00:51:25.342
you can just get in there quicker when

00:51:25.362 --> 00:51:26.481
you've got a bit of music playing in

00:51:26.501 --> 00:51:28.181
the background, the right piece, you know?

00:51:29.362 --> 00:51:30.043
Oh, definitely.

00:51:30.222 --> 00:51:32.182
And I've been listening to songs before

00:51:32.222 --> 00:51:32.563
where I,

00:51:32.603 --> 00:51:35.123
when I was working on project and I

00:51:35.143 --> 00:51:37.804
was like, we were going there real quick.

00:51:40.721 --> 00:51:41.702
I actually kind of like that.

00:51:41.802 --> 00:51:44.304
I'm like, that was good.

00:51:44.844 --> 00:51:45.184
Cool.

00:51:45.264 --> 00:51:45.585
Got it.

00:51:46.505 --> 00:51:48.327
So,

00:51:48.347 --> 00:51:54.094
but what's next for Soma and for yourself?

00:51:54.153 --> 00:52:00.519
So we're releasing the second issue of the

00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:02.643
comic on December eighteenth.

00:52:03.467 --> 00:52:03.728
Oh, nice.

00:52:03.768 --> 00:52:05.090
Just in time for Christmas, man.

00:52:05.130 --> 00:52:05.650
I like it.

00:52:05.990 --> 00:52:06.532
Yeah.

00:52:06.632 --> 00:52:08.715
It's going to be like one seventy nine.

00:52:08.795 --> 00:52:09.615
So why not?

00:52:09.876 --> 00:52:10.436
Why not?

00:52:10.757 --> 00:52:13.119
Yeah.

00:52:13.199 --> 00:52:14.601
Is that the digital version or is that

00:52:14.621 --> 00:52:15.242
the paperback?

00:52:15.751 --> 00:52:17.331
Yeah, it's just the digital.

00:52:17.391 --> 00:52:18.632
So with the single issues,

00:52:18.672 --> 00:52:20.313
they're only being released on DriveThru

00:52:20.353 --> 00:52:22.574
Comics and Comicology or Amazon,

00:52:22.594 --> 00:52:23.275
whatever you want to say.

00:52:23.474 --> 00:52:24.954
But then, as I said,

00:52:25.275 --> 00:52:26.896
once we've finished all the issues and

00:52:26.916 --> 00:52:29.396
released all the issues digitally and

00:52:29.436 --> 00:52:31.798
released the episodes all on vertical

00:52:32.139 --> 00:52:33.539
scrolling comic platforms,

00:52:34.119 --> 00:52:35.539
around about June time,

00:52:36.161 --> 00:52:38.802
we'll release a graphic novel of the whole

00:52:38.822 --> 00:52:40.001
colour thing in print.

00:52:40.242 --> 00:52:41.682
Fulls, hundred and twenty pages,

00:52:42.003 --> 00:52:42.623
however many...

00:52:43.695 --> 00:52:44.175
That's cool.

00:52:44.255 --> 00:52:48.876
I know there's Lords of the Cosmos,

00:52:48.976 --> 00:52:49.797
John Linitz.

00:52:50.597 --> 00:52:51.458
Is it John Linitz?

00:52:52.639 --> 00:52:53.619
I want to say it's John Linitz.

00:52:53.838 --> 00:52:54.639
Give me just a second.

00:52:54.659 --> 00:52:58.041
I don't want to... Jason Linitz.

00:52:58.061 --> 00:53:00.722
I had a John on just before him.

00:53:02.561 --> 00:53:05.983
But it's Lords of the Cosmos.

00:53:07.090 --> 00:53:08.831
that's their plan as well once the whole

00:53:08.871 --> 00:53:11.094
series is done they're going to split it

00:53:11.153 --> 00:53:14.436
into like basically two like omnibuses i

00:53:14.456 --> 00:53:16.518
think is what he said but i always

00:53:16.539 --> 00:53:18.840
think that's really cool is and even image

00:53:18.880 --> 00:53:20.702
is doing it now and dark horse and

00:53:20.722 --> 00:53:22.684
a bunch of others like once the run

00:53:22.724 --> 00:53:25.086
finishes or if like once five or six

00:53:25.126 --> 00:53:27.208
comic books are done they take all those

00:53:27.248 --> 00:53:28.530
comic books and roll them up into a

00:53:28.590 --> 00:53:31.552
trade paperback so i always enjoy that

00:53:31.572 --> 00:53:32.213
because it's

00:53:33.715 --> 00:53:34.956
That's what I've been doing with Geiger.

00:53:34.996 --> 00:53:37.038
I get the singles and I read the

00:53:37.077 --> 00:53:37.418
singles,

00:53:37.458 --> 00:53:39.059
but once they release a hardback or a

00:53:39.099 --> 00:53:41.360
trade paperback, I like to have that.

00:53:41.380 --> 00:53:42.541
That way I can just grab the whole

00:53:42.561 --> 00:53:45.204
thing and read an entire arc of a

00:53:45.244 --> 00:53:45.605
story.

00:53:46.505 --> 00:53:46.664
Yeah,

00:53:46.704 --> 00:53:48.525
because you're sort of drip fed and it's

00:53:48.585 --> 00:53:50.465
kind of nice to get the monthly,

00:53:50.525 --> 00:53:52.806
but it's really nice to experience the

00:53:52.867 --> 00:53:54.027
whole story together.

00:53:54.106 --> 00:53:54.967
It really is.

00:53:55.027 --> 00:53:58.829
And it gives a whole nother vibe to

00:53:58.869 --> 00:54:01.570
the story because I can guarantee you

00:54:02.269 --> 00:54:04.550
there's something you missed or something

00:54:04.570 --> 00:54:06.570
that didn't make sense at some point in

00:54:06.630 --> 00:54:09.012
one of those floppy issues that when you

00:54:09.032 --> 00:54:10.791
go back and you read the trade paperback

00:54:10.851 --> 00:54:12.293
or you read the omnibus,

00:54:13.373 --> 00:54:14.994
that's when like the two plus two equals

00:54:15.034 --> 00:54:15.713
five for you.

00:54:16.726 --> 00:54:19.467
So, which is why I feel like,

00:54:19.487 --> 00:54:21.268
you know, the comic medium is so similar,

00:54:21.347 --> 00:54:22.427
actually not to films,

00:54:22.447 --> 00:54:24.449
but actually similar to TV in that sense,

00:54:24.469 --> 00:54:25.708
because it is, you know,

00:54:26.909 --> 00:54:28.590
so the same thing happens, you know,

00:54:28.630 --> 00:54:30.929
when you do, when you binge a show,

00:54:31.230 --> 00:54:34.210
I remember re-binging Breaking Bad and it

00:54:34.231 --> 00:54:36.911
was so much better watching it all

00:54:36.971 --> 00:54:37.490
together.

00:54:38.172 --> 00:54:38.972
I did the same thing.

00:54:38.992 --> 00:54:39.112
Yeah.

00:54:42.492 --> 00:54:44.972
I tried so hard to do that for

00:54:45.012 --> 00:54:45.793
The Walking Dead.

00:54:45.813 --> 00:54:46.233
Okay.

00:54:47.293 --> 00:54:50.596
But once Carl was killed off the show,

00:54:51.036 --> 00:54:53.076
because my favorite run,

00:54:53.197 --> 00:54:55.177
my favorite arc of The Walking Dead and

00:54:55.237 --> 00:54:57.737
comic book is old man Carl.

00:54:58.257 --> 00:55:00.958
It's Carl as the old man telling his

00:55:01.039 --> 00:55:04.280
grandchildren about The Walking Dead.

00:55:04.300 --> 00:55:05.501
Yeah.

00:55:05.601 --> 00:55:07.501
And that's how the TV series started,

00:55:07.661 --> 00:55:10.402
essentially, is this old man Carl arc.

00:55:12.007 --> 00:55:14.990
And then when they killed him, to me,

00:55:15.311 --> 00:55:17.072
this is the chairman's opinion,

00:55:17.813 --> 00:55:19.134
they killed The Walking Dead when they

00:55:19.153 --> 00:55:19.795
killed Carl.

00:55:19.954 --> 00:55:22.516
Because the story was literally Carl

00:55:22.597 --> 00:55:26.519
telling his grandchildren about the events

00:55:26.559 --> 00:55:27.340
of The Walking Dead.

00:55:27.942 --> 00:55:29.422
Yeah, this is what I kept telling people.

00:55:29.483 --> 00:55:31.625
So I love The Walking Dead series,

00:55:31.644 --> 00:55:32.364
the comic series.

00:55:32.646 --> 00:55:34.347
It took me so long to finish reading

00:55:34.407 --> 00:55:36.228
it because it broke my heart.

00:55:36.588 --> 00:55:37.630
There's so many arcs.

00:55:38.396 --> 00:55:40.099
When Laurie gets killed, I was like,

00:55:40.139 --> 00:55:40.539
I'm out.

00:55:40.798 --> 00:55:41.119
I was like,

00:55:41.420 --> 00:55:42.840
I put it down for like a year.

00:55:43.081 --> 00:55:44.101
And then I went back when I was

00:55:44.121 --> 00:55:45.463
in Australia and read it.

00:55:46.043 --> 00:55:47.264
And yeah, I keep telling people,

00:55:47.724 --> 00:55:48.764
I don't understand how they could have

00:55:48.784 --> 00:55:50.166
done that because kill Carl,

00:55:50.186 --> 00:55:53.349
because it's his story in the comic.

00:55:53.369 --> 00:55:54.130
It's not Rick's.

00:55:54.210 --> 00:55:56.891
It's actually his because he's the final

00:55:56.931 --> 00:55:59.134
character telling his kids the story who,

00:55:59.173 --> 00:55:59.514
you know?

00:55:59.773 --> 00:56:00.034
Yeah.

00:56:00.213 --> 00:56:01.315
So I agree.

00:56:01.335 --> 00:56:02.115
It's wild.

00:56:02.135 --> 00:56:04.257
And it was like, once he was gone,

00:56:04.898 --> 00:56:06.518
To me, it was gone.

00:56:06.539 --> 00:56:08.400
I'm like, I won't make this up.

00:56:08.460 --> 00:56:09.260
I mean, I love Daryl.

00:56:10.501 --> 00:56:12.603
Daryl is a phenomenal character on the

00:56:12.623 --> 00:56:12.902
show.

00:56:13.302 --> 00:56:14.963
Yeah, because he's not even in the comic,

00:56:15.063 --> 00:56:15.384
is he?

00:56:16.005 --> 00:56:17.105
No, he was made for the show,

00:56:17.125 --> 00:56:17.525
I believe.

00:56:17.606 --> 00:56:19.246
Yeah, because I don't remember him,

00:56:19.407 --> 00:56:19.726
you know?

00:56:19.746 --> 00:56:20.387
Yeah.

00:56:20.507 --> 00:56:21.708
And it's one of those where I'm like,

00:56:23.289 --> 00:56:24.670
and one of my favorite lines he says

00:56:24.730 --> 00:56:24.829
is,

00:56:25.190 --> 00:56:27.112
everybody hates rednecks until you need a

00:56:27.152 --> 00:56:29.452
redneck.

00:56:29.512 --> 00:56:31.494
But that's neither here nor there.

00:56:31.534 --> 00:56:32.574
But yeah, old man Carl.

00:56:34.297 --> 00:56:36.440
best thing the walking dead had going and

00:56:36.460 --> 00:56:38.603
then the only thing they could have done

00:56:38.643 --> 00:56:40.824
better during that is if he would have

00:56:40.846 --> 00:56:44.469
been narrating the story which would have

00:56:44.489 --> 00:56:46.291
been i think dope as hell because you

00:56:46.331 --> 00:56:48.614
get narrations from old man carl in the

00:56:48.653 --> 00:56:53.960
comic book so but neither here nor there

00:56:55.081 --> 00:56:55.121
um

00:56:58.719 --> 00:56:59.300
So... Oh, sorry,

00:56:59.340 --> 00:57:00.342
I'll finish off the thing.

00:57:00.362 --> 00:57:01.443
No, go ahead.

00:57:01.603 --> 00:57:02.726
At the minute as well,

00:57:02.925 --> 00:57:05.068
what I'm doing as well is I'm writing...

00:57:05.590 --> 00:57:06.630
Well, I've written, actually.

00:57:06.971 --> 00:57:08.373
So this is like...

00:57:09.315 --> 00:57:11.197
I've had this story for like ten years.

00:57:11.416 --> 00:57:11.797
So I've just...

00:57:12.659 --> 00:57:14.239
gone back to it occasionally every so

00:57:14.280 --> 00:57:15.961
often and cleaned it back up.

00:57:16.001 --> 00:57:16.782
And it's just a,

00:57:16.802 --> 00:57:17.923
just a two pager or it's,

00:57:18.103 --> 00:57:18.884
it might be a full,

00:57:19.224 --> 00:57:21.467
it might be a elongated one shot.

00:57:21.487 --> 00:57:23.929
It's about, it's about, it's about,

00:57:23.949 --> 00:57:25.030
it's about, it's about, it's about,

00:57:25.050 --> 00:57:26.650
it's about, it's about, it's about,

00:57:26.670 --> 00:57:28.432
it's about, it's about, it's about,

00:57:28.873 --> 00:57:30.153
it's about,

00:57:31.614 --> 00:57:33.817
hp lovecraft demons overhead and it's

00:57:33.836 --> 00:57:36.960
about fairy tales and knights yeah um and

00:57:36.980 --> 00:57:38.320
i've got a really good artist that i'm

00:57:38.460 --> 00:57:40.322
enjoying and he's doing pages at the

00:57:40.342 --> 00:57:41.302
minute so that's going to be the next

00:57:41.322 --> 00:57:43.585
thing i'm going to release okay cool but

00:57:43.625 --> 00:57:45.606
i think that's going to be it's more

00:57:45.646 --> 00:57:47.668
graphic novel light level once you get

00:57:47.728 --> 00:57:49.909
past you know the pages you know i

00:57:49.929 --> 00:57:51.931
think we get into graphic novel territory

00:57:52.472 --> 00:57:58.016
and that's cool i know um uh what's

00:57:58.056 --> 00:57:58.876
his name i think it's

00:58:04.753 --> 00:58:07.253
I think his name is – what is

00:58:07.293 --> 00:58:12.014
his name?

00:58:12.034 --> 00:58:12.934
That's his book.

00:58:13.074 --> 00:58:20.056
It's just – I just – Reading pile.

00:58:20.097 --> 00:58:20.856
Well, kind of.

00:58:20.876 --> 00:58:22.478
I got a reading box actually.

00:58:22.498 --> 00:58:22.637
Okay.

00:58:24.211 --> 00:58:27.114
bobby campbell he he's turning tells of

00:58:27.134 --> 00:58:30.275
the illuminatus into it's a trilogy book

00:58:30.456 --> 00:58:32.016
but he's making it into a comic book

00:58:32.436 --> 00:58:35.237
it's very fun very quirky but he's also

00:58:35.277 --> 00:58:39.019
working on a graphic novel right now so

00:58:39.159 --> 00:58:40.840
i know like he's taking a break from

00:58:40.880 --> 00:58:42.581
tells of the illuminatus because he was

00:58:42.621 --> 00:58:45.503
already working on a graphic novel that he

00:58:45.543 --> 00:58:48.666
wants to finish so graphic novels are

00:58:50.009 --> 00:58:51.809
big and i know he's working on one

00:58:51.849 --> 00:58:52.949
right now and he'll be back on the

00:58:52.969 --> 00:58:55.331
show eventually once that is ready to go

00:58:56.271 --> 00:59:00.032
but um no sorry that was you mentioned

00:59:00.072 --> 00:59:02.773
a graphic novel and that stuff popped into

00:59:02.793 --> 00:59:06.534
my head yeah i just i'm someone working

00:59:06.693 --> 00:59:09.795
um i work for a private healthcare company

00:59:09.815 --> 00:59:10.835
at the minute so i'm earning quite a

00:59:10.855 --> 00:59:12.016
bit of good money at the minute so

00:59:12.096 --> 00:59:12.735
i was just like

00:59:13.835 --> 00:59:15.896
I might as well pick up this extra

00:59:15.936 --> 00:59:19.659
comic and start making that as well since

00:59:19.719 --> 00:59:21.161
I can afford it at the minute.

00:59:21.300 --> 00:59:23.523
And I've been off this project for ages.

00:59:23.583 --> 00:59:25.764
So, you know, it just makes me happy.

00:59:26.025 --> 00:59:27.326
Making comics makes me happy.

00:59:27.346 --> 00:59:27.945
It's great.

00:59:28.385 --> 00:59:30.447
And that's the big thing right there is

00:59:30.887 --> 00:59:32.429
doing what makes you happy.

00:59:32.730 --> 00:59:35.911
And this kind of stuff right here is

00:59:35.952 --> 00:59:38.775
getting to talk to writers and artists and

00:59:39.980 --> 00:59:42.360
bring in their work to people who may

00:59:42.420 --> 00:59:43.880
not ever get to see their work,

00:59:43.920 --> 00:59:45.242
especially people like you,

00:59:45.262 --> 00:59:46.521
because you're in the UK.

00:59:46.541 --> 00:59:48.143
Yeah.

00:59:48.182 --> 00:59:50.202
So bringing you over to the U S

00:59:50.282 --> 00:59:52.083
audience and introducing you to this,

00:59:52.244 --> 00:59:54.244
this side of the pond, so to speak,

00:59:54.764 --> 00:59:56.264
it's one of my favorite things to do,

00:59:56.326 --> 00:59:59.586
like Sabe being from Italy and an artist

01:00:00.487 --> 01:00:02.628
and be bringing his stuff and being like,

01:00:02.708 --> 01:00:02.967
Hey,

01:00:03.427 --> 01:00:05.369
here's this wonderful artist from Italy.

01:00:05.949 --> 01:00:06.309
Who's

01:00:07.594 --> 01:00:11.355
work is just like absolutely stunning you

01:00:11.375 --> 01:00:13.934
know his character work the way he he

01:00:13.974 --> 01:00:16.675
brings details to towns and just little

01:00:16.695 --> 01:00:19.516
things like that he does so well it's

01:00:19.597 --> 01:00:20.996
one of my favorite parts about getting to

01:00:21.097 --> 01:00:24.418
do this is introducing you know people to

01:00:24.498 --> 01:00:26.597
new artists new writers who they will

01:00:26.657 --> 01:00:28.798
probably would have never seen or heard of

01:00:29.119 --> 01:00:34.119
so cool but

01:00:36.670 --> 01:00:40.612
You got any more conventions this year?

01:00:40.853 --> 01:00:42.693
Or was Thought Bubble the last one for

01:00:42.733 --> 01:00:43.574
you for the year?

01:00:43.594 --> 01:00:45.416
Last one, really, yeah.

01:00:45.456 --> 01:00:45.876
But next year,

01:00:45.916 --> 01:00:47.177
I'm going to plan to – I went

01:00:47.197 --> 01:00:48.697
to Lakes Festival,

01:00:48.717 --> 01:00:50.298
which is like an art festival,

01:00:50.338 --> 01:00:52.099
but it's – I mean,

01:00:53.161 --> 01:00:55.802
Sean Phillips was there.

01:00:55.842 --> 01:00:56.061
Yeah.

01:00:57.262 --> 01:00:59.684
um but no no no now next year

01:00:59.704 --> 01:01:01.186
but i'm probably going to try and go

01:01:01.226 --> 01:01:03.108
to like three next year i'm going to

01:01:03.128 --> 01:01:06.150
try and you know like even comic-con maybe

01:01:06.170 --> 01:01:08.251
which is you know it's not really a

01:01:08.612 --> 01:01:11.554
comic comic-con yeah i know the same way

01:01:11.574 --> 01:01:13.755
in the us man yeah they've gone to

01:01:13.815 --> 01:01:19.920
like anime and like knickknacks and yeah

01:01:19.960 --> 01:01:21.701
it's not about comics anymore that's for

01:01:21.740 --> 01:01:22.001
sure

01:01:23.951 --> 01:01:26.032
But I was really – Thought Bubble I

01:01:26.052 --> 01:01:27.074
thought was really cool.

01:01:27.474 --> 01:01:29.177
And seeing the stuff that Bruno was

01:01:29.237 --> 01:01:30.637
posting I thought was really cool.

01:01:31.579 --> 01:01:34.001
You should totally go, man.

01:01:34.021 --> 01:01:34.762
Yeah, I think you'd love it.

01:01:34.922 --> 01:01:35.963
That's a trip across the pond.

01:01:35.983 --> 01:01:37.626
I mean, I would love to.

01:01:38.286 --> 01:01:38.847
I would love to.

01:01:38.887 --> 01:01:39.768
But, yeah,

01:01:39.788 --> 01:01:41.269
that's like eight hours on an airplane.

01:01:42.010 --> 01:01:42.972
But, hey,

01:01:42.992 --> 01:01:44.293
the guy on the stall next to me,

01:01:44.833 --> 01:01:47.536
we became friends and stuff, hanging out.

01:01:47.556 --> 01:01:48.295
He was a cool dude.

01:01:48.416 --> 01:01:49.556
He was from your lot.

01:01:49.597 --> 01:01:50.838
He was an American.

01:01:51.159 --> 01:01:53.300
And he'd come all the way across to,

01:01:53.360 --> 01:01:55.902
you know, sell his comic.

01:01:55.943 --> 01:01:56.802
He had a graphic.

01:01:57.603 --> 01:01:59.344
And, yeah, so it is possible.

01:01:59.405 --> 01:02:00.126
You know,

01:02:00.405 --> 01:02:03.289
I didn't realize Thought Bubble was such a

01:02:03.628 --> 01:02:06.311
big event over there for artists and

01:02:06.351 --> 01:02:07.913
writers in the comic world.

01:02:08.592 --> 01:02:11.454
But there was huge celebrities and stuff

01:02:11.474 --> 01:02:12.155
like that there.

01:02:12.994 --> 01:02:14.916
I was very impressed with that.

01:02:14.976 --> 01:02:16.217
I don't know if that's the biggest one

01:02:16.237 --> 01:02:18.077
y'all do in the UK.

01:02:18.539 --> 01:02:19.699
It basically is, yeah.

01:02:19.818 --> 01:02:20.119
Okay.

01:02:20.639 --> 01:02:22.440
It's basically... But it was very,

01:02:23.061 --> 01:02:23.882
very impressive.

01:02:23.942 --> 01:02:24.342
It was like...

01:02:24.362 --> 01:02:26.483
The only thing I could think of is

01:02:26.722 --> 01:02:28.523
New York Comic Con or San Diego Comic

01:02:28.543 --> 01:02:29.664
Con or something like that.

01:02:30.405 --> 01:02:32.226
That was the level it looked to me.

01:02:32.686 --> 01:02:34.867
So... I think, though,

01:02:35.027 --> 01:02:37.188
I think San Diego is just...

01:02:38.157 --> 01:02:39.418
You can't beat that.

01:02:39.458 --> 01:02:41.639
Do you know what I mean?

01:02:41.659 --> 01:02:43.280
That's what all of us UK people are

01:02:43.300 --> 01:02:43.900
like dreaming of.

01:02:43.920 --> 01:02:44.282
We're like, Oh,

01:02:44.382 --> 01:02:46.943
I'm going to get up at some point.

01:02:46.963 --> 01:02:48.664
But that, that one is just like,

01:02:49.764 --> 01:02:50.704
it's like absurd.

01:02:50.724 --> 01:02:54.268
It's like four days now and it costs

01:02:54.307 --> 01:02:57.528
you, you know, a mortgage payment to go.

01:02:57.548 --> 01:02:58.030
Have you been?

01:02:58.739 --> 01:03:00.940
no no because it costs a mortgage payment

01:03:00.960 --> 01:03:02.981
to go that's on the other side of

01:03:03.021 --> 01:03:07.182
the country so yeah no i mean i

01:03:07.202 --> 01:03:09.443
would love to one day yeah but right

01:03:09.483 --> 01:03:11.784
now is not that day maybe you know

01:03:12.485 --> 01:03:14.625
in three or four years i will hopefully

01:03:14.644 --> 01:03:17.505
be able to go but right now that

01:03:18.045 --> 01:03:19.367
i can find better ways to spend that

01:03:19.407 --> 01:03:22.887
money yeah fair enough cool

01:03:23.822 --> 01:03:25.985
So let's look ahead and watch this.

01:03:26.065 --> 01:03:27.766
I know you got the graphic novel coming

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or poetry or maybe something a little

01:03:32.650 --> 01:03:33.510
unexpected from you.

01:03:34.556 --> 01:03:35.217
You know,

01:03:35.277 --> 01:03:37.719
I'm always sort of trying to spit some

01:03:37.778 --> 01:03:40.300
rhymes at open mics around Manchester.

01:03:40.320 --> 01:03:42.101
I live in Manchester, so I do that.

01:03:42.521 --> 01:03:45.362
But I have been working quite heavily on

01:03:45.603 --> 01:03:45.902
comics.

01:03:45.943 --> 01:03:48.684
I've got another comic I'm sort of writing

01:03:48.724 --> 01:03:49.284
at the minute,

01:03:49.364 --> 01:03:51.726
and I've got my artist prepped,

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and I know,

01:03:52.447 --> 01:03:54.487
and he's going to cost me a fortune,

01:03:54.847 --> 01:03:56.688
but his work looks so good.

01:03:57.009 --> 01:03:59.271
And it's kind of an interesting tale about

01:03:59.311 --> 01:04:01.992
addiction, but black magic, and, yeah,

01:04:02.032 --> 01:04:03.052
so that should be great.

01:04:04.639 --> 01:04:06.023
So I've got all these things queued up.

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I mean, the thing is, right,

01:04:07.903 --> 01:04:08.423
me as a creator,

01:04:08.483 --> 01:04:09.545
I don't know about other artists,

01:04:09.585 --> 01:04:11.106
but you know, I mean,

01:04:11.306 --> 01:04:13.907
lettering and publishing comics online.

01:04:14.128 --> 01:04:14.608
It's good.

01:04:14.648 --> 01:04:15.068
It's fun.

01:04:15.088 --> 01:04:15.590
It's nice.

01:04:15.610 --> 01:04:16.329
Yeah.

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But I'm a writer.

01:04:17.831 --> 01:04:19.072
I just want to be in a room

01:04:19.112 --> 01:04:19.532
writing.

01:04:19.873 --> 01:04:21.434
And the more you get into it,

01:04:21.554 --> 01:04:23.155
the more you're having to do lots of

01:04:23.215 --> 01:04:25.257
administration or the stuff you're having

01:04:25.277 --> 01:04:25.856
to, you know,

01:04:25.876 --> 01:04:27.177
post yourself on social media.

01:04:27.538 --> 01:04:29.119
So when you can get just some time

01:04:29.139 --> 01:04:31.561
to write, it's amazing.

01:04:31.581 --> 01:04:32.702
You know, it's a godsend, you know?

01:04:32.822 --> 01:04:33.583
Oh yeah.

01:04:33.663 --> 01:04:35.143
Oh yeah.

01:04:35.164 --> 01:04:36.364
Have you ever thought about doing like,

01:04:36.485 --> 01:04:36.885
um,

01:04:37.762 --> 01:04:40.603
like bunching your poetry into like,

01:04:41.784 --> 01:04:44.788
into like a, not necessarily a book,

01:04:44.807 --> 01:04:47.610
but like a, a web series with art.

01:04:49.311 --> 01:04:49.692
Like taking your,

01:04:50.052 --> 01:04:51.612
like your poetry and sending it to an

01:04:51.713 --> 01:04:52.614
artist and be like, hey,

01:04:52.653 --> 01:04:55.376
can you put art with this?

01:04:56.036 --> 01:04:57.458
And then put in a like webtoons or

01:04:57.478 --> 01:04:58.057
something like that.

01:04:58.097 --> 01:04:59.119
To me, that would be kind of cool.

01:05:00.219 --> 01:05:01.501
I was just thinking about that for some

01:05:01.541 --> 01:05:01.820
reason.

01:05:01.900 --> 01:05:02.422
That would be cool.

01:05:03.385 --> 01:05:03.684
I know.

01:05:03.864 --> 01:05:05.385
So my friend did something similar.

01:05:05.646 --> 01:05:07.567
He was a photographer and he got writers

01:05:07.967 --> 01:05:10.208
to write a story set behind his

01:05:10.248 --> 01:05:10.869
photography.

01:05:10.989 --> 01:05:13.130
Oh, that's really cool, too.

01:05:13.351 --> 01:05:13.451
Yeah.

01:05:13.471 --> 01:05:13.610
So, yeah,

01:05:13.650 --> 01:05:15.172
maybe I might maybe I'll do that.

01:05:15.411 --> 01:05:16.532
That's actually a really good idea.

01:05:16.913 --> 01:05:18.172
It's just, you know,

01:05:18.233 --> 01:05:20.775
not enough time in the day, unfortunately.

01:05:21.980 --> 01:05:22.659
Yeah.

01:05:22.860 --> 01:05:23.880
And we got to get at least eight

01:05:23.920 --> 01:05:24.840
hours of sleep.

01:05:24.900 --> 01:05:27.702
I know you're just a few years younger

01:05:27.742 --> 01:05:28.742
than me, but yeah,

01:05:28.762 --> 01:05:32.565
that eight hours of sleep means a lot.

01:05:32.605 --> 01:05:35.005
So people who can just sleep on no

01:05:35.085 --> 01:05:36.626
sleep, just get on with their day,

01:05:36.766 --> 01:05:37.646
no sleep.

01:05:37.666 --> 01:05:39.268
I'm like, I'm useless otherwise.

01:05:39.947 --> 01:05:40.166
Yeah, dude,

01:05:40.186 --> 01:05:41.449
I just had two cups of coffee and

01:05:41.489 --> 01:05:42.809
I'm still wanting to go back to bed.

01:05:45.112 --> 01:05:49.215
So for anybody now just hearing about

01:05:49.295 --> 01:05:52.038
grinding against the marrow for the first

01:05:52.097 --> 01:05:54.639
time and you have to sell them the

01:05:54.679 --> 01:05:55.061
book,

01:05:55.561 --> 01:05:59.143
give us your your sales pitch for grinding

01:05:59.184 --> 01:05:59.965
against the marrow.

01:06:01.586 --> 01:06:02.327
It's Halloween.

01:06:03.028 --> 01:06:04.190
All the ghouls are out.

01:06:04.369 --> 01:06:05.512
All the ghouls and goblins,

01:06:05.552 --> 01:06:08.434
the horrible little kids who are causing

01:06:08.474 --> 01:06:08.896
chaos.

01:06:08.936 --> 01:06:10.838
And they're lighting homeless people on

01:06:10.898 --> 01:06:11.338
fire.

01:06:12.300 --> 01:06:15.182
And there's also Soma stuck on the street.

01:06:15.543 --> 01:06:18.047
And she wants to escape this town.

01:06:18.847 --> 01:06:19.728
But, however...

01:06:21.126 --> 01:06:23.088
She can't allow another person to be lit

01:06:23.148 --> 01:06:25.409
on fire, one of her homeless brethren.

01:06:25.851 --> 01:06:29.492
So she steps in and read the comics,

01:06:29.532 --> 01:06:30.653
see what happens from that.

01:06:31.134 --> 01:06:32.775
All the pitfalls, all the obstacles.

01:06:34.237 --> 01:06:34.536
Yeah.

01:06:36.157 --> 01:06:38.820
But she has one skill that helps her

01:06:38.900 --> 01:06:39.460
through this.

01:06:39.780 --> 01:06:42.021
She's really good at parkour and running

01:06:42.041 --> 01:06:42.722
and free running.

01:06:43.362 --> 01:06:44.003
So that's the comic.

01:06:45.356 --> 01:06:46.056
I like it, dude,

01:06:46.416 --> 01:06:48.858
before I let you go tell everybody where

01:06:48.898 --> 01:06:51.782
they can find snake and where they can

01:06:51.822 --> 01:06:53.023
find your work.

01:06:54.115 --> 01:06:57.237
yeah so i'm on instagram snake eight seven

01:06:58.097 --> 01:07:02.057
smw um also facebook on my normal name

01:07:02.077 --> 01:07:05.778
which is scott matthew watson um and yeah

01:07:05.798 --> 01:07:08.119
you can find the work on uh on

01:07:08.219 --> 01:07:13.239
amazon on comicology or and also um uh

01:07:13.260 --> 01:07:15.460
drive through comics but then i've also

01:07:15.481 --> 01:07:20.481
got work on uh webtoons um uh global

01:07:20.501 --> 01:07:21.942
comics and tapas as well

01:07:23.364 --> 01:07:24.246
Love to hear it, dude.

01:07:26.389 --> 01:07:27.873
So what's coming up next for the USD?

01:07:27.913 --> 01:07:30.197
And I will be back here Monday again.

01:07:30.376 --> 01:07:33.322
That will go up later today or tomorrow

01:07:33.402 --> 01:07:35.005
to announce who is going to be on

01:07:35.025 --> 01:07:35.766
the podcast.

01:07:36.974 --> 01:07:39.715
But stories like this don't come from

01:07:39.795 --> 01:07:40.297
comfort.

01:07:40.737 --> 01:07:42.478
They come from the fractures,

01:07:42.619 --> 01:07:44.900
and sometimes it takes a creator like

01:07:44.960 --> 01:07:47.603
Snake to show us there's beauty inside the

01:07:47.643 --> 01:07:48.023
break.

01:07:48.704 --> 01:07:51.286
Snake, welcome to the Council of Nerds,

01:07:51.867 --> 01:07:52.527
and you, sir,

01:07:53.168 --> 01:07:56.291
and Grindin' Against the Marrow are USDN

01:07:56.771 --> 01:07:57.331
approved.

01:07:57.891 --> 01:08:00.534
This has been the USDN Podcast,

01:08:01.094 --> 01:08:03.536
and the Council of Nerds is adjourned.