1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,540 Unknown: People used to find out that I knew lucky as a kid, and 2 00:00:03,540 --> 00:00:07,380 kind of grew up with Lucky, a really young drummer, learning 3 00:00:07,380 --> 00:00:10,560 from this guy named Joseph lucky Scott, and I would have bass 4 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:15,720 players find me on the internet and call me, what was it like, 5 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:18,720 and what was it like to play with lucky, and ask me, what was 6 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:21,980 he using to get that sound for such and so, oh my god. And I'm 7 00:00:21,980 --> 00:00:24,260 like, Dude, I do not know. First off, I wouldn't have known 8 00:00:24,260 --> 00:00:27,860 because I was a little kid, but I used to actually see when 9 00:00:27,860 --> 00:00:30,560 Lucky was out in public playing bass. There would be times when 10 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:33,200 he would get into certain sections and songs and he would 11 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,140 turn away so people couldn't see from the audience, because he 12 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:37,940 didn't want other bass players to see what he 13 00:00:39,140 --> 00:00:42,220 was doing. This is the rich Redmond show. 14 00:00:46,780 --> 00:00:51,700 Songs are like relationships. A song's like a woman. If you're 15 00:00:51,700 --> 00:00:54,700 in a really good relationship with a woman, you can't tell her 16 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:59,380 what you want her to be. You can't force her to be what you 17 00:00:59,380 --> 00:01:03,720 want her to be. You can respond to her. You can try to interpret 18 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,900 what she says back to her. I think I hear you saying this, 19 00:01:06,900 --> 00:01:09,960 yada yada, yada yada. You can try to kind of match her, her 20 00:01:09,960 --> 00:01:14,040 timbre, her her, her mood, or whatever. But the best thing 21 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,700 that you can do, honestly is listen, and don't ever try to 22 00:01:17,700 --> 00:01:21,800 force yourself on a song. The song will tell you what it wants 23 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:25,520 to be nice. And I've taken that with me, not just with music, 24 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:26,180 with everything. 25 00:01:26,960 --> 00:01:30,620 So just open yourself up to the universe, and the universe will 26 00:01:30,620 --> 00:01:31,460 tell you, 27 00:01:32,540 --> 00:01:34,520 it'll lead you just, just be honest. 28 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:36,980 It's how the Marketplace is. But I got a question for you, and 29 00:01:36,980 --> 00:01:39,800 it's, and it's a very heavy question, okay, oh, if peanut 30 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:43,180 butter wasn't called peanut butter, what would it be called? 31 00:01:44,140 --> 00:01:44,380 It'd 32 00:01:44,380 --> 00:01:46,780 be nut butter, nut butter, pea butter. 33 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:50,020 You can make butter out of peanuts. 34 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:52,780 Yeah, it's amazing. You know, how they actually do that. Do 35 00:01:52,780 --> 00:01:55,000 you ever try ever make your own peanut butter? Oh, it's 36 00:01:55,180 --> 00:01:58,180 exhausting. No, it's not. You do it at Trader Joe's. You pour the 37 00:01:58,180 --> 00:02:00,520 things and you get to, you know, just 38 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:02,940 get a food processor and some peanuts. It's all you need, 39 00:02:02,940 --> 00:02:06,540 yeah, and it's super fresh. It's fresh and amazing. Wow. Put it 40 00:02:06,540 --> 00:02:09,360 on some bread, and now we're into the podcast. See, 41 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:14,040 this is what happens, very much trying to trick us into you 42 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:17,340 know, it's all the latest and greatest stuff in in podcasting. 43 00:02:17,340 --> 00:02:19,560 Yeah, now, but here we are. Here we are having a great 44 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,460 conversation with our friend Gerald wear. Now, let me tell 45 00:02:22,460 --> 00:02:27,080 you about Gerald. We met in 2012 This is 13 years ago, at a place 46 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,560 called the Rutledge that place, of course, progress in 47 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:32,840 Nashville. I think it's a Mexican restaurant, it's a 48 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:35,600 hotel, it's something. But anyways, it was a great night. I 49 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,480 think I was playing with rich. Eckhart. Rich was the guitar 50 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,260 player for Toby Keith for a long, long long time, but he put 51 00:02:41,260 --> 00:02:44,380 out this kind of like solo fusion project. And then after 52 00:02:44,380 --> 00:02:48,100 the show, I meet this very nice young man who is also a 53 00:02:48,100 --> 00:02:51,340 musician, a consultant, a social scientist, a researcher, a life 54 00:02:51,340 --> 00:02:56,020 and career coach, a speaker and a proud US Navy submarine 55 00:02:56,020 --> 00:03:00,400 veteran, yes, hailing from Chattanooga, Tennessee. This is 56 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:02,640 our friend, Gerald Weir. Thanks for coming on 57 00:03:02,640 --> 00:03:04,680 the show, man, thanks for having me, dude, it's an honor. I 58 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,680 almost feel somewhat unqualified to sit here. No, 59 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:09,240 you. Well, the thing is, as I said, 60 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,900 a lot more I'm far less qualified than anybody that sat 61 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:13,140 here. 62 00:03:13,140 --> 00:03:14,940 Well, the thing, the common thing, is that we all have a 63 00:03:14,940 --> 00:03:20,600 love of music, drumming, rhythm. Also, you know you love we talk 64 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:24,260 over the years about success and motivation and why we do things, 65 00:03:24,260 --> 00:03:28,040 what inspires people, and you're probably will be the only 66 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:33,320 drummer we ever have on this show that has a PhD. So I 67 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:35,360 thought it would make for an interesting conversation, 68 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:39,560 because you're a very evolved human that has got a lot of 69 00:03:40,700 --> 00:03:43,840 depth and interests. You know what I mean? Because so drummers 70 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:45,640 are, you know, the drummer joke, you know? How do you know when 71 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,640 the stage is level? We all know that one get ready with the 72 00:03:48,700 --> 00:03:53,800 splash symbol, Jim, the stage is even that is when the drummer 73 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,440 drools out of both sides of his mouth. Yes, 74 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:00,160 okay, okay, yeah, never heard that. But okay. 75 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,580 But I mean, originally from your Detroit. You're from Detroit, 76 00:04:02,580 --> 00:04:04,980 but you kind of grew up in Chattanooga. You still live in 77 00:04:04,980 --> 00:04:09,120 Chattanooga, keep a place in Nashville. So smart, and I met 78 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:12,180 you as a drummer, and then as the onion got peeled, I realized 79 00:04:12,180 --> 00:04:15,360 that you did all these other things. And over the years, 80 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,340 you'd reach out to me. You're like, Hey, would you answer this 81 00:04:17,340 --> 00:04:20,660 questionnaire for my paper? And I'd be like, This is great. 82 00:04:20,660 --> 00:04:23,840 Somebody cares about what I think about for an academic 83 00:04:23,900 --> 00:04:24,620 paper. 84 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:29,060 Well, but you're always gracious enough to answer the phone. And 85 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:31,580 honestly, you know, sometimes you can tell what you're getting 86 00:04:32,060 --> 00:04:34,820 when you first meet somebody. Yeah, honestly, full disclosure, 87 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:38,060 that night when we met at the Rutledge that was literally the 88 00:04:38,060 --> 00:04:40,360 first night I was in Nashville. That 89 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:44,020 is cool. That was a great kind of watering hole, you know, 90 00:04:44,020 --> 00:04:47,320 networking opportunity for a first night in town. Because 91 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:49,480 some people could just find themselves at, oh, I'm at 92 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,180 tootsies. I heard about it. I get it, yeah, you know. But I 93 00:04:52,180 --> 00:04:53,920 mean, that was a, that was a cool room, 94 00:04:53,980 --> 00:04:56,200 yeah, Sean O'Brien, who actually played bass with you guys that 95 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,180 night, yeah, I knew him from high school, but that was 96 00:04:58,180 --> 00:05:00,600 actually the first night I was actually out in. Nashville, but, 97 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,540 but my point in saying is, is, when you meet somebody, you can 98 00:05:03,540 --> 00:05:08,040 tell sometimes if there's more to them than just what you see. 99 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:11,520 Yeah, and you know, not, not trying to be over flattering 100 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:16,020 here, but honestly, Dude, that was pretty, pretty, pretty. I 101 00:05:16,020 --> 00:05:18,840 mean, it was hard to see that you were that kind of person. 102 00:05:18,840 --> 00:05:21,380 Oh, man. And then the more I learned about you, and just kind 103 00:05:21,380 --> 00:05:26,300 of what you did and how you did it. It just, it pretty much was 104 00:05:26,540 --> 00:05:27,260 what I thought. It 105 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:34,220 was great. The last probably 10 guests that we've had on, yeah, 106 00:05:34,220 --> 00:05:35,960 I've sang your praises. Oh, I 107 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:40,100 love it. Well, people, people love to hear their name. People 108 00:05:40,100 --> 00:05:40,520 love 109 00:05:41,660 --> 00:05:44,620 you listen to his humility. I mean, people, people love to 110 00:05:44,620 --> 00:05:47,980 tell stories. Well, they buy out a big clinic at forks, and I 111 00:05:47,980 --> 00:05:50,200 packed the house. I didn't anticipate that. 112 00:05:52,900 --> 00:05:55,120 Wow, it's not hard to pack out. I mean, there's 113 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,020 a there's not a lot already. I couldn't do it. I couldn't pack 114 00:05:59,020 --> 00:05:59,500 I don't think 115 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,980 anybody's gonna come see Jim McCarthy's jump drum clinic. I 116 00:06:02,980 --> 00:06:06,660 drunk? Okay? Not a lot of guys can do 117 00:06:06,660 --> 00:06:09,480 I think after everyone sees you at May 28 with the Huey Lewis 118 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,000 tribute band at City winery, I'll be 119 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:15,960 there. Yeah? Cigarette lighter in hand. Nice. 120 00:06:17,340 --> 00:06:18,600 I'll keep the fires burned. Yeah. 121 00:06:19,500 --> 00:06:19,980 God, 122 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:25,520 hey, Boon got buys you houses, right? So, so this bass player 123 00:06:25,580 --> 00:06:29,120 was, you know, Joseph Scott, Joseph lucky. Why'd they call 124 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:29,480 him lucky? 125 00:06:29,780 --> 00:06:32,060 You know, I never asked him that, yeah, and it was, it was 126 00:06:32,060 --> 00:06:35,480 always interesting that he would do that was his nickname. But I 127 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:37,640 don't, I don't know, you know, it was one of those things 128 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,360 where, you know, here's this guy who's from Chattanooga playing 129 00:06:40,420 --> 00:06:42,940 in Curtis Mayfield. Mayfield's band, as a matter of fact, if 130 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,340 you want to see what he looked like, because he's passed away, 131 00:06:45,340 --> 00:06:49,300 now, go look up the movie Superfly. He's in Superfly, the 132 00:06:49,300 --> 00:06:53,320 band that's that's Curtis Mayfield's band. That's Joseph 133 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:57,040 lucky Scott playing bass dude. I used to people used to find out 134 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:00,960 that I knew lucky as a kid, and kind of grew up with Lucky, a 135 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:04,260 really young drummer, learning from this guy named Joseph lucky 136 00:07:04,260 --> 00:07:09,120 Scott, and I would have bass players find me on the internet, 137 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:12,300 yeah, and call me, what was it like, and what was it like to 138 00:07:12,300 --> 00:07:16,080 play with lucky and ask me, what was he using to get that sound 139 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,780 for such and so, oh my god. And I'm like, Dude, I do not know. 140 00:07:18,780 --> 00:07:21,080 First off, I wouldn't have known because I was a little kid, but 141 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:25,040 I used to actually see when Lucky was out in public playing 142 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:27,200 bass. There will be times when he would get into certain 143 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:30,440 sections and songs and he would turn away so people couldn't see 144 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:32,600 him from the audience, because he didn't want other bass 145 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:34,340 players to see what he was doing. Didn't 146 00:07:34,340 --> 00:07:36,920 do that in the early days. Didn't Eddie Van Halen do that 147 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,080 in the early days. Or somebody would turn their back to the 148 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:40,480 audience so they couldn't see. 149 00:07:41,740 --> 00:07:45,400 I don't know. I thought Eddie was, he kind of had, like, the 150 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,460 showmanship was kind of baked into himself. 151 00:07:48,460 --> 00:07:51,340 It could have been Stevie vi it could have been, well, I heard 152 00:07:51,340 --> 00:07:54,160 that story, but we were talking off camera, and so you were 153 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:58,120 lucky enough to get some like, like, musical coaching as a very 154 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,520 young person with this bass player. And what did he tell 155 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:01,200 you? Well, 156 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,840 he said that you know the best thing that you can you can learn 157 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,420 and really just kind of take the heart about music. It doesn't 158 00:08:06,420 --> 00:08:08,580 matter what instrument you play, if you sing, if you play, 159 00:08:08,580 --> 00:08:11,400 whatever it is, is make sure you understand that it's a 160 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,940 relationship, specifically, in a lot of ways. I mean, you're 161 00:08:14,940 --> 00:08:18,300 having a relationship with the tech guys. You're having a 162 00:08:18,300 --> 00:08:20,600 relationship with the other guys on the stage. You're having a 163 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:24,380 relationship with the audience, the production guys, but, but 164 00:08:24,380 --> 00:08:27,080 really important, you're having a relationship with the audience 165 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,480 because you want to make that connection. That's pretty much 166 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:31,640 to a large degree why you're doing it. Because you want to 167 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:34,160 connect with people, but, but you need to know that the most 168 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:37,280 important relationship is the relationship you're having with 169 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:40,340 the song and how to handle it, how to treat it. You don't abuse 170 00:08:40,340 --> 00:08:42,460 it. You don't abuse it. You don't tell it what you want it 171 00:08:42,460 --> 00:08:45,160 to be. You don't force yourself on it. In a lot of ways, a lot 172 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:48,460 of cases, the song tells you what it wants to be. I'm like 173 00:08:48,460 --> 00:08:52,840 anybody else, dude. I have a I can have a pretty large ego, and 174 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,600 I want to come in, I want to, I want to do journal on this 175 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:58,960 thing, dude. But you can always do that. So you got to find a 176 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:02,700 place to where. What does the song want? What does this gig 177 00:09:02,700 --> 00:09:06,240 need? And you humble yourself and you do it, but, but that 178 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:10,080 song is, honestly, it's like a woman or a man, or whatever you 179 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,480 know, but you have whatever you're into, yeah, you have to, 180 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,660 you have to, you have to, you have to honor it, yeah, and not 181 00:09:15,660 --> 00:09:18,240 force yourself on it. That the song, especially if it's a great 182 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,440 tune, it'll tell you what it wants to be. He'll tell you what 183 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:22,040 it is. 184 00:09:22,700 --> 00:09:26,300 Well, you're a great all around player. You recently sent me a 185 00:09:26,300 --> 00:09:29,360 video of you playing a song called peace accord and, man, 186 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:33,080 you got it all that popping and cracking, snare, that back beat, 187 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:37,040 the power, the chops, musicality, all the stuff, 188 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,860 man, you know, well, you know, I sent that to you. I sent that to 189 00:09:39,860 --> 00:09:42,460 a lot of people, actually, you know, sometimes I'll just like, 190 00:09:42,460 --> 00:09:45,040 send a song to people that I like, and sometimes it's not 191 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:47,860 even really a fully formed idea, but you try to have the 192 00:09:47,860 --> 00:09:50,500 production there, but not, not too much, not trying to go 193 00:09:50,500 --> 00:09:53,620 overboard with production, but you send things that you like to 194 00:09:53,620 --> 00:09:56,320 people, because this is something from your heart. It's 195 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:59,140 not something that you're trying to sell, per se. But again, man, 196 00:09:59,140 --> 00:10:02,700 everything. That we do, especially as musicians or any 197 00:10:02,700 --> 00:10:05,520 other field for that matter, it's people, you know, we want 198 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:07,620 to make those connections. We want to remake those 199 00:10:07,620 --> 00:10:10,200 connections. And so you send it out there, you just put it out 200 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,720 there, man, and you believe in it. And sometimes it has wards, 201 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,720 and sometimes it's a little more polished than others, but you 202 00:10:16,140 --> 00:10:16,380 just 203 00:10:16,380 --> 00:10:19,320 want to share it. That's nice. And is that your home studio? 204 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:20,420 Here it is, 205 00:10:20,420 --> 00:10:23,240 it is nice. It is, well, it's my home studio in Chattanooga. 206 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,760 Chattanooga, I don't have the room here, here, yeah, but, 207 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:27,680 yeah, it's my home studio in Chattanooga. Like, 208 00:10:27,680 --> 00:10:29,720 I like that. You're, you're kind of, like, you're kind of BI 209 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:32,660 coastal, man, you guys living in two cities, man, you know, my 210 00:10:32,660 --> 00:10:35,000 wife is very gracious. That is awesome. Well, how long you 211 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:36,680 crazy kids been together? And how did you 212 00:10:36,680 --> 00:10:38,960 I'm gonna date myself a little bit here, dude, my we've been 213 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:44,080 married 25 years. Yeah, and we actually met at church. My 214 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,900 sister knew her before I did, and they're probably not gonna 215 00:10:46,900 --> 00:10:49,240 remember this, but my sister was like, hey, you know I like, 216 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,520 there's someone I really like for you to meet. And I've always 217 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:54,940 been that dude that I don't like being set up. I don't like the 218 00:10:54,940 --> 00:10:57,880 setup and I resisted it for a while, and then somehow, 219 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:00,240 someway, we just kind of got into contact with each other, 220 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:07,440 and I didn't call her for like, three, yeah, and then one day I 221 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:14,100 did. And then here we are, 25 why'd you call Yeah? I saw her 222 00:11:14,100 --> 00:11:17,340 again, and maybe I was just in a different place. But I think 223 00:11:17,340 --> 00:11:19,800 maybe my eyes were just working differently that day. Not that I 224 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,340 didn't think she was beautiful when I first saw her. I don't 225 00:11:22,340 --> 00:11:24,800 know. Maybe I just wasn't at a place where I was going to be 226 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:28,220 well, I was receptive. And so I saw her again, I was like, oh, 227 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:30,560 was there something about her that that made you like, you 228 00:11:30,560 --> 00:11:32,180 know, I have a feeling about this, 229 00:11:32,180 --> 00:11:36,080 yeah, and it's gonna sound kind of weird, but I mean, I was like 230 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,900 any other single young dude you date around, you do what, you 231 00:11:38,900 --> 00:11:42,460 know, you do your thing, or whatever. But I really from from 232 00:11:42,460 --> 00:11:47,560 my wife. I really just got woman from her. If that makes, I don't 233 00:11:47,560 --> 00:11:50,560 know if that makes total sense, yeah, yeah. She just, this is a 234 00:11:50,620 --> 00:11:53,200 this is a woman through and through, yeah, through and 235 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:56,080 through. This is a woman. That's exactly how I felt about my 236 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:59,140 wife. Awesome. So I'm not alone in it, yeah, it's a beautiful 237 00:11:59,140 --> 00:12:03,360 thing. It really is. I mean, you just for me, very frightening, 238 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,300 yeah, very frightening at first, because you're not in control, 239 00:12:06,300 --> 00:12:09,360 you're not in control, and you just kind of following yourself 240 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:13,140 down this trail. But yeah, 25 years, she's never come into 241 00:12:13,140 --> 00:12:16,860 conflict with me and music or me and anything else. She knows 242 00:12:16,860 --> 00:12:21,140 she's first, but music does have a special Yes, you guys, 243 00:12:21,260 --> 00:12:23,120 did you guys make the babies? We 244 00:12:23,180 --> 00:12:25,520 three, two sons and a daughter. Nice. Yeah, we have a daughter 245 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:27,680 who's actually graduating from high school this year. She's 246 00:12:27,680 --> 00:12:30,860 going off to college, so we will be officially empty nesters. 247 00:12:30,860 --> 00:12:34,160 Yeah, and we can do some things that we'd like to do. I'd like 248 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,920 to say I'd like to spend more money on myself in my studio. 249 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:37,340 But, 250 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,560 well, what's not until we get college over travel 251 00:12:41,560 --> 00:12:43,720 or anything, yeah? Like, I'm curious, because I'm kind of 252 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:44,740 getting there myself, 253 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:47,740 you know, yeah, I've traveled around a lot. My wife, not so 254 00:12:47,740 --> 00:12:50,980 much. So there are a lot of places I like to take her that 255 00:12:50,980 --> 00:12:53,920 she's never been. So traveling is definitely one. 256 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:55,900 What are some of those bucket list places? Like, are we 257 00:12:55,900 --> 00:12:58,240 talking like? We're going like, like, corrupt, you know, 258 00:12:58,240 --> 00:12:59,560 Madagascar, 259 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:03,240 you know, Fiji would be wonderful. Italy's gonna be it's 260 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:05,760 gonna happen this summer. You gotta have Italy's gonna happen 261 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,760 this summer. Are you guys gonna do Rome and all the stuff? Well, 262 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:12,060 we talked about doing the grand tour, but to do the grand tour, 263 00:13:12,060 --> 00:13:15,600 right, you really need a couple of months. I don't think that's 264 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:18,180 gonna happen. But you know, my daughter's gonna study 265 00:13:18,180 --> 00:13:20,900 architecture as well, so it's gonna be great to kind of go 266 00:13:20,900 --> 00:13:23,420 around and see some of the churches and just some of those 267 00:13:23,420 --> 00:13:26,120 really, really old places that everybody sees 268 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:29,780 on how did they do that stuff without machinery the human 269 00:13:29,780 --> 00:13:33,800 mind, dude is, I mean, just like Jurassic Park. You probably 270 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:37,700 heard this before. Life finds a way. Life will find a way, or 271 00:13:37,700 --> 00:13:42,100 it's aliens, or it's aliens, I don't know, but life will find a 272 00:13:42,100 --> 00:13:44,680 way. But so we're going to do some of that stuff and just 273 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:47,740 check some stuff off the list, and just travel around and just 274 00:13:47,740 --> 00:13:50,140 enjoy each other, because it's a new, it's a new it's a new 275 00:13:50,140 --> 00:13:53,560 chapter in our life. We literally were pregnant three 276 00:13:53,560 --> 00:13:57,520 months after we said I do. So we basically have had no life, 277 00:13:57,580 --> 00:13:58,600 yeah, without 278 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:04,320 so, I mean, I always equate that to those kids that we felt bad 279 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:08,160 for in high school who, like, you know, all of a sudden 280 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:12,060 they're 1718, and she's pregnant, you know, and like, oh 281 00:14:12,060 --> 00:14:15,840 my gosh, your life is ruined, and blah, blah, blah, and then 282 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:19,140 all of a sudden they just kind of get married, they forge their 283 00:14:19,140 --> 00:14:22,580 way through it, And by the time they're in their 40s, they're 284 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:26,180 done, and they have resources. Yeah, Jim is 285 00:14:26,180 --> 00:14:29,120 saying it could be a young man, young person's game, right? You 286 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:30,380 have the energy, right? 287 00:14:30,380 --> 00:14:33,680 You have the energy, the resource, which is true, it 288 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:36,860 parenting takes a lot of energy, physically, emotionally, 289 00:14:36,860 --> 00:14:38,060 mentally, it does. I 290 00:14:38,060 --> 00:14:41,080 really don't know how you guys do it. I i Jim asked me, because 291 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:44,920 I always say, Yeah, you know, I never did it. I never did it. I 292 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:46,120 you know, I never did it. 293 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:48,760 The funny thing is, is that you'd kind of late. You 294 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:51,940 mentioned rich in the beginning that he took your phone calls, 295 00:14:52,420 --> 00:14:55,600 which is the same story for me. He just kept on taking my phone 296 00:14:55,600 --> 00:15:01,200 calls, and I one time, I think, texted you. So we were about to 297 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:04,740 have our second child, and I reached out to rich via text. 298 00:15:04,740 --> 00:15:09,240 I'm like, Hey, Courtney, can drop at any moment. Do you mind 299 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,600 if we have you on the list to watch Cami? Cami, at the time 300 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:19,920 was like, 1617, months old, wow. And he's like, did I call you 301 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:23,240 with them? Now she's in college. I know. But the funny thing is, 302 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:25,580 you were willing to do it, ah, see. 303 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:30,680 And the fact that you not only knew it, but not but not only is 304 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:33,080 it wonderful that you that you would call, well, like I said, 305 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,300 sometimes you just, you just know a good apple when you meet 306 00:15:35,300 --> 00:15:37,520 him, yeah, but, but the fact that not only would he take your 307 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:40,360 calls being the guy that he is, but but him being the kind of 308 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:44,860 guy that you would trust enough to call Would would you take my 309 00:15:44,860 --> 00:15:48,160 little baby? Yeah, while I go do this. I mean, it speaks volumes. 310 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:50,080 I was told I was totally messing I 311 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:53,380 mean, I'm afraid of the soft spot on the skull, you know, I 312 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:54,460 was totally messing 313 00:15:54,460 --> 00:15:57,820 with him. I just wanted to see how he'd react. He would do he I 314 00:15:57,820 --> 00:16:00,840 literally, it was a call. I remember here. You were just No, 315 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:07,860 you were literally like, you know, I probably could. I don't 316 00:16:07,860 --> 00:16:10,860 have too much going on, so I and I'm like, Dude, I'm totally 317 00:16:10,860 --> 00:16:16,620 messing with you right now. Wow. You were thinking, Can I 318 00:16:16,620 --> 00:16:19,800 accommodate this? I probably can, yeah, wow, amazing. I 319 00:16:20,340 --> 00:16:23,480 didn't intend for him. I barely knew you a year at that. Oh, 320 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:23,840 man, 321 00:16:23,900 --> 00:16:26,600 yeah, but it's okay. It's okay. We're still friends all these 322 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:27,680 years later, I think you could 323 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:28,580 have pulled it off, though. 324 00:16:28,700 --> 00:16:31,040 Let's make him really uncomfortable this episode and 325 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:34,640 just talk nothing about rich and like, completely pour it on. The 326 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:35,120 world is 327 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:38,180 riches. The world is riches. Riches. World. I'm telling 328 00:16:38,180 --> 00:16:41,500 you what. So you study architecture, and it runs in the 329 00:16:41,500 --> 00:16:41,800 blood. 330 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,980 Well, maybe, maybe not. We. I told her that, you know, if at 331 00:16:44,980 --> 00:16:49,120 any time, if you decide you don't want to do this, walk away 332 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:52,240 from it. Yeah, because it is, and I'm not saying this because, 333 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:56,620 because I studied architecture, it is a very labor intensive 334 00:16:56,980 --> 00:17:00,960 degree all night because all nighters, there's a lot of 335 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,180 things you have to know. What you have to learn. Because it's 336 00:17:03,180 --> 00:17:06,420 not just, can you draw well, it's, how does this wall stand 337 00:17:06,420 --> 00:17:09,000 structural? You understand deflection? Do you understand 338 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:13,560 moment? It's engineering. Do you understand compression? And 339 00:17:13,740 --> 00:17:16,860 then, how do you make that look good? And while at the same 340 00:17:16,860 --> 00:17:21,500 time, don't spend too much of the client's money, and yeah, so 341 00:17:21,500 --> 00:17:24,140 it's, it can be a hall, yeah? Yeah, 342 00:17:24,260 --> 00:17:26,960 interesting, yeah. Because, like, you know, when you get 343 00:17:27,020 --> 00:17:29,060 the, you know, you got these cookie cutter neighborhoods, now 344 00:17:29,060 --> 00:17:31,340 we're like, there's maybe, like three designs, and they'll put 345 00:17:31,340 --> 00:17:35,060 up like 200 homes, yeah. How does that work? This is called 346 00:17:35,060 --> 00:17:37,820 Spring Hill. Does this home? Does this home builder come in 347 00:17:37,820 --> 00:17:41,560 and, like, they hire, like, a staff architect to design those 348 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:43,000 three buildings. Developers 349 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,280 are a little different. Developers generally do those. 350 00:17:45,340 --> 00:17:48,820 They just, you know, again, it's and there's nothing wrong with 351 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,880 this. Everybody's in the business to make money, and 352 00:17:51,940 --> 00:17:55,480 variety sometimes doesn't offer itself very well to creativity. 353 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,420 Or the lack of variety, yeah, doesn't offer itself very well 354 00:17:58,420 --> 00:18:01,200 to creativity. And so a developer, you know, you want to 355 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,840 make as much money as you can. So you have these, these basic 356 00:18:03,900 --> 00:18:06,840 formats, these basic floor plans that you have, of course, you 357 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,360 massage them a little bit. You give people the the notion that 358 00:18:09,360 --> 00:18:11,820 they can make some choices about what they're getting. And in 359 00:18:11,820 --> 00:18:14,640 truth, that is the case. I mean, you get to pick your finishes. 360 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:16,860 You get to pick your doorknobs. You get to pick your gold, 361 00:18:16,860 --> 00:18:19,140 silver. Yeah, you get to pick how much you want to spend on 362 00:18:19,140 --> 00:18:21,560 this. I'm gonna spend in that, but it's still basically the 363 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:24,500 same general two or three formats as what you're going to 364 00:18:24,500 --> 00:18:27,380 get is for sports floor plan. And that has its place. Yeah, 365 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:30,020 that does. But, you know, you get, you get some of these guys 366 00:18:30,020 --> 00:18:35,480 who get to design houses from the ground up, or get to design 367 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:38,840 commercial buildings from that from the ground up. Those people 368 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:44,020 do exist, but, there's a lot of risk in that too. Just because 369 00:18:44,020 --> 00:18:48,280 somebody has deep pockets and they have money to burn, it can 370 00:18:48,340 --> 00:18:51,940 that could be more of a hassle than working with someone who 371 00:18:51,940 --> 00:18:54,880 knows they had a limited they have a limited budget. They can 372 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:57,580 only do so much. I don't care if the house is $2 million they 373 00:18:57,580 --> 00:18:59,860 know that that's all they have. For a lot of people, $2 million 374 00:19:00,100 --> 00:19:03,780 home would be amazing, but they know all they have is $2 million 375 00:19:04,380 --> 00:19:07,860 the client sometimes, ah, do whatever you want. It could be a 376 00:19:07,860 --> 00:19:10,200 crap show. I mean, because honestly, they're not making any 377 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:14,520 decisions. They're not telling you what to do, and you don't 378 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:16,980 know, then the worst thing is they come in. You know, I was 379 00:19:16,980 --> 00:19:21,080 thinking that maybe that that should be over there or or maybe 380 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,360 those stairs shouldn't wrap around to the right. They should 381 00:19:23,360 --> 00:19:25,160 wrap around to the left. The 382 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:28,340 less money you put you spend, the more illusion of choice you 383 00:19:28,340 --> 00:19:32,780 have. It's like, buying a Honda. It's an illusion. It's an 384 00:19:32,780 --> 00:19:35,240 illusion. You know, you got a couple things you can do here. 385 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:38,960 You can buy an LX and EX, an ex. L, yeah, you can have some 386 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:42,700 choices. But it's like, I equate that to I went from I sold Honda 387 00:19:42,700 --> 00:19:45,940 or cars for a couple years. When I went from Honda to Mercedes, 388 00:19:46,180 --> 00:19:48,460 it was like, you know, this little cone of options with 389 00:19:48,460 --> 00:19:50,980 Honda, you knew the trim levels, what you could generally get 390 00:19:50,980 --> 00:19:55,120 with them. To Mercedes, it was like, wide open options, yeah, 391 00:19:55,120 --> 00:19:57,100 because you're paying more for the car well, and 392 00:19:57,100 --> 00:19:59,200 music can be the same way. Honestly. I mean, if you're 393 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,100 working with an MD. Or you're working with an artist. You 394 00:20:02,100 --> 00:20:04,560 know, for me, I can't speak for any other drummer, any other 395 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:08,580 musician, a lot of times, if I'm not giving parameters, I mean, 396 00:20:08,580 --> 00:20:11,400 and I say this because, because another thing that another type 397 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:15,900 of person I love is comedians before actors. But I really love 398 00:20:15,900 --> 00:20:19,380 actors because, and I heard Bill, Bill Murray say this 399 00:20:19,380 --> 00:20:23,540 before, you know, he knows that he's got a part nailed where he 400 00:20:23,540 --> 00:20:27,680 can feel it in his feet. Interesting. Yes, Judy Dench is 401 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:28,400 somebody is 402 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:31,100 a great, great actor. What do they mean by that? Well, dense 403 00:20:31,100 --> 00:20:32,420 is still hot. Well, 404 00:20:32,420 --> 00:20:34,460 but I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you what. I'm gonna 405 00:20:34,460 --> 00:20:38,180 tell you what I think, Oh, my God. I mean, I think so too, 406 00:20:38,180 --> 00:20:41,140 because creativity and just be I mean, there's a lot of things 407 00:20:41,140 --> 00:20:44,080 that makes you comfortable in her skin. Do anybody? Anybody 408 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:47,200 can be beautiful, dude. Attraction is a whole, okay, 409 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:47,980 Helen Mirren, 410 00:20:49,420 --> 00:20:52,540 yeah. I mean, maybe I'm thinking of Helen Mirren when I'm talking 411 00:20:52,540 --> 00:20:52,780 about 412 00:20:52,780 --> 00:20:56,080 Judy Dench. Helen mirrens on 1923 right now with Harrison 413 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:56,740 Ford. I mean, 414 00:20:56,800 --> 00:21:00,340 she's so comfortable in her skin, man, she does 415 00:21:00,580 --> 00:21:04,800 that. She does that Scottish Irish accent perfectly she does, 416 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:08,880 yeah. But the point I was making is parameters, for me are always 417 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,220 great, because you need, I need to know a little bit about what 418 00:21:11,220 --> 00:21:14,940 you're thinking to give you what I think you want. But there's 419 00:21:14,940 --> 00:21:17,940 this thing in architecture also where you spend a lot of time 420 00:21:17,940 --> 00:21:21,320 educating the client, because it was always irritating when 421 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,780 somebody showed up and they had a picture. Hey, you know, can 422 00:21:23,780 --> 00:21:27,440 you guys do this? Yeah? But no, tell me what you really think 423 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,840 you want, what you really need, and then we'll talk about how we 424 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,480 can get to point A to point B, where music a lot of times it's 425 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:36,500 the same way, you know, I need that. MD, I need that, that 426 00:21:36,500 --> 00:21:40,780 producer. I need that guy to give you the to give me some 427 00:21:40,780 --> 00:21:43,960 parameters. Yeah, give me some parameters to work in so you can 428 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:48,340 create your little Mo and Lisa, yeah. Asset jazz is great. But, 429 00:21:48,580 --> 00:21:51,100 you know, having parameters sometimes is really great. So 430 00:21:51,100 --> 00:21:55,060 anytime anybody I think that's creative, not everybody works 431 00:21:55,060 --> 00:21:57,700 this way. I do it creatively. Parameters are good, whether 432 00:21:57,700 --> 00:22:00,160 it's architecture, music, whatever 433 00:22:00,220 --> 00:22:03,060 I love it. We never discuss that. So who are some comedians 434 00:22:03,060 --> 00:22:06,180 that just blow you away, like they're Are you like a bill a 435 00:22:06,180 --> 00:22:08,820 bill burger guy, or you like more? Mark Marin, like 436 00:22:08,820 --> 00:22:09,840 storytelling. 437 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,960 I can I can be situational. And I'm not going to mention this 438 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,360 person first, because they're my favorite. It's just, it's just a 439 00:22:15,360 --> 00:22:19,680 good example. So Dave Chappelle started out a certain way. Come 440 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,760 on, he started out a certain way as a certain kind of comedian, 441 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:26,360 and then he went away for a while, and then he came back, 442 00:22:26,360 --> 00:22:30,620 and he was a different kind of comedian, and I think he's still 443 00:22:30,620 --> 00:22:31,640 kind of evolving. 444 00:22:32,420 --> 00:22:35,420 But how about those four specials on Netflix? You could 445 00:22:35,420 --> 00:22:39,680 watch them back to back over and over and over again, and they we 446 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:43,060 in our band after a show, we will watch these things over and 447 00:22:43,060 --> 00:22:45,760 over again, and it still resonates, and we still laugh at 448 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:46,240 the same 449 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,640 Yeah, yes, because it just depends on where you are that 450 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,820 day. But he just, I mean, and I think he's still kind of 451 00:22:51,820 --> 00:22:54,520 evolving. It's kind of like a modern day George Carlin 452 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,580 commenting on, yeah, commenting on society. But I also love 453 00:22:57,580 --> 00:23:00,340 people, like, I'm gonna butcher this name. She's gonna have to 454 00:23:00,340 --> 00:23:02,980 forgive me, because I don't know her, but that's okay anyway. I 455 00:23:02,980 --> 00:23:04,620 anyway, Natasha legero, 456 00:23:04,740 --> 00:23:08,940 love her. Just short, little Italian, yeah, you know dice 457 00:23:08,940 --> 00:23:11,340 Clay's show. He had a show called dice, yeah, 458 00:23:13,140 --> 00:23:16,020 another period, it was a TV show. I mean, just, I don't know 459 00:23:16,020 --> 00:23:18,480 it's just, it's just something about that kind of stuff that I 460 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,920 love, but I love musicians, not musicians. Not, not musicians. 461 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,380 I'm sorry. I love musicians that are really courageous too, but 462 00:23:24,380 --> 00:23:27,860 comedians, comics are really courageous. 463 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,320 I mean, they're so I was gonna say that they're so brave. They 464 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,860 go up there and they've worked their thing out, maybe kind of 465 00:23:33,860 --> 00:23:36,080 sort of, but they kind of know what they want to do, what they 466 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,560 want to say, but you have to have a lot of bravery to go up 467 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:44,620 there. And again, we use this word earlier, really, be honest, 468 00:23:44,620 --> 00:23:48,880 yeah, and be in that moment. Honest, yeah, and, but I think 469 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,040 the same way about actors. I mean, there are a lot of actors 470 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,440 that I could point to that are just, they're just incredible. 471 00:23:55,060 --> 00:23:58,000 Well, you think is the best one out there these days? So 472 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,620 I'm that guy when it comes to movies or just acting in 473 00:24:01,620 --> 00:24:04,920 general. Not that mainstream is wrong or there's anything wrong 474 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:09,480 with mainstream. You like art films? Well, not, not so much 475 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,120 already films, but, but I could, there's two movies that I could 476 00:24:12,120 --> 00:24:14,580 watch all the time and nobody would ever have to do anything 477 00:24:14,580 --> 00:24:17,880 else with me. Movie wise. One is there will there will be blood, 478 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:22,280 oh, yeah. And, and they're kind of similar movies. The other one 479 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:26,780 is No Country for Old Men. I mean, it's just, they're just, 480 00:24:26,780 --> 00:24:34,640 they're just raw. The casting is spot on and just the way. I 481 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:41,200 mean, again, anybody, any actor, that that can change themselves 482 00:24:41,860 --> 00:24:45,940 into this person. Is believable the way they walk, the way they 483 00:24:45,940 --> 00:24:49,000 change their voice, they literally can change their 484 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:54,100 countless and they become this character. Yeah, is amazing. 485 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:55,060 It's something 486 00:24:55,060 --> 00:24:59,740 to so be admired. And you know, when I was studying, I knew 487 00:24:59,740 --> 00:25:04,440 that. Was never going to be a wear a wig and do period pieces 488 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,140 and do Shakespeare Well, that would be utterly hilarious. I 489 00:25:07,140 --> 00:25:11,280 wanted to, I wanted to do parts that were an extension of my 490 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,460 natural, natural essence. Can you do a British accent? Rich? 491 00:25:14,460 --> 00:25:18,240 Not. I wouldn't do it because I, you know, I'd had to. Right here 492 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:23,780 and now, spot of tea. Keep going. Spot of tea. Can you? Can 493 00:25:23,780 --> 00:25:27,500 you okay? You keep on saying the same thing over and over 494 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:32,360 again. Can you converse like Ringo, you know? Well, 495 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,400 that's a Cockney. That's a Liverpool come 496 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,440 upstairs, and we'll young you up a bit 497 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:46,180 about making sure everybody's fans got dyed hair, no belly, 498 00:25:46,180 --> 00:25:49,540 really. And the end, and where's John Barbados. Wow, he come 499 00:25:49,540 --> 00:25:52,300 upstairs. We young. You up a bit. Young 500 00:25:52,360 --> 00:25:56,020 up a bit. Come on, yeah. What do y'all think out there? The old 501 00:25:56,020 --> 00:25:57,220 that's awesome. Wow. 502 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:03,180 No. But so deep. So when you were studying architecture, you 503 00:26:03,180 --> 00:26:05,940 were drumming at the same time. Now, did you do architectural, 504 00:26:06,300 --> 00:26:09,660 architecture professionally for a while? Yeah, 505 00:26:09,660 --> 00:26:10,620 for a while I did, wow. 506 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,580 And then how are you managing all the drumming during this so, 507 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,240 so there was, there were some guys that I met because I went 508 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,380 to architecture school after I got out of the Navy, and there 509 00:26:21,380 --> 00:26:24,320 were some guys that I met literally at this music store in 510 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,440 Knoxville. It's called Rick's music, okay? And I went in just 511 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,020 to buy some drumsticks, and I just decided I'm gonna sit down 512 00:26:30,020 --> 00:26:32,480 on this. Is it still there? No, no. I'm gonna sit down on this 513 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,080 kid, and I'm just playing around on this kid. So these two guys 514 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,420 approach me like, Dude, what are you doing later? Can we talk 515 00:26:38,420 --> 00:26:41,000 about playing some music? Yada yada yada. Are you free tonight? 516 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,660 Yeah. Are you free tonight? So anyway, it turns into this band, 517 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:48,580 yeah, that was called just water blonde. And, excuse me, we, uh, 518 00:26:48,820 --> 00:26:52,660 I mean, just we, we had some really good times. Shared the 519 00:26:52,660 --> 00:26:56,320 stage with a lot of different people, just very varied. Dude, 520 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,500 just, I mean, everybody from the crab family to Arrested 521 00:26:59,500 --> 00:27:05,100 Development to to Israel and new breed, to Victor Wooten, to what 522 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:05,580 was the 523 00:27:05,580 --> 00:27:06,660 music like? Was it? It 524 00:27:06,660 --> 00:27:09,120 was it was this. It was, it was like, and 525 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,640 I always struggled to describe it. It was like, 526 00:27:16,980 --> 00:27:18,300 what's that band out of me? 527 00:27:18,900 --> 00:27:20,840 It's like, is it Jam Band? 528 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,980 No, no. It's a, it's a Christian rock band, pod. It's like pod 529 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:35,900 mixed with James Brown mixed with chili peppers, funky, rocky 530 00:27:35,900 --> 00:27:40,720 overtones. Well, not, not, yes, but not, not, not so much in 531 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:44,080 your face, yeah, but, but it was just us having a great time. So 532 00:27:44,260 --> 00:27:47,200 I was having to mix all dude. I would, we would, we would go out 533 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:51,880 on the weekends and and do our role thing and come back on no 534 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:58,240 sleep, and then I'm at a drafting day. I mean, just like, 535 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,740 just like most musicians burning the candle at both ends, and 536 00:28:01,740 --> 00:28:04,260 just because you love it. I mean, it's not, it wasn't even 537 00:28:04,260 --> 00:28:06,360 really an option. You didn't even think about it, yeah, so, 538 00:28:06,420 --> 00:28:09,000 so you just did it. So, I mean, plus, I was, I was a little 539 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:13,200 younger at the time, and my wife was, was, was a lot more 540 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,140 understanding then, and she is now in a different way, not that 541 00:28:16,140 --> 00:28:17,280 she's not as understanding 542 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,560 now, on a Wednesday, come back on a Sunday, yeah, 543 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,660 yeah. Sometimes you leave on a Wednesday, you come back on a 544 00:28:21,660 --> 00:28:25,460 Sunday, and, young, and that was like, constant, yeah, but, but 545 00:28:25,460 --> 00:28:29,120 you loved it in a passenger van pulling a trailer behind you. 546 00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:32,360 And is the back line gonna be crappy when we get there? We got 547 00:28:32,360 --> 00:28:34,520 to use the back line is, I mean, whatever. Hey, 548 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:39,200 kid, we got a CB 700 kid, you like hydraulic heads. 549 00:28:42,620 --> 00:28:44,440 Wait. You want hands on them? 550 00:28:46,540 --> 00:28:48,700 Well, it's the proverbial picture, dude. Here's the house 551 00:28:48,700 --> 00:28:53,140 kit. It's even worse than the house kit photo when you get 552 00:28:53,140 --> 00:28:55,900 there, yeah? Dude, yeah. Crazy camber. 553 00:28:55,900 --> 00:28:59,800 Cambers. Do you like adjustable snare drum stands at our own 554 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:00,900 volition, just on their 555 00:29:02,700 --> 00:29:07,080 own. Hey, so And thank you for your service. So right out of 556 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:08,520 high school, you're going join the Navy. 557 00:29:08,580 --> 00:29:10,800 Well, actually, I went to business school first, then I 558 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,920 went to Navy, and then I went up. Were you in Mystic? 559 00:29:14,220 --> 00:29:15,300 No, 560 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:16,080 no. What 561 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:20,720 was your navy experience like? And I tell you what the I think 562 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,720 this is crazy to say, but there's a lot of countries 563 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,780 around the world where military service is required for two 564 00:29:26,780 --> 00:29:31,280 years. I think it would be good for some of these entitled young 565 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:32,360 whippers. That 566 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,840 would be awesome. I talk about this all the time with people. I 567 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,440 don't I don't think a couple of years of compulsory active duty 568 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,520 service would be a bad thing for a lot of people. I mean, I know 569 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,920 a lot of people disagree with that, but I think it'd be a 570 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,440 great thing because you're only 20 when you get out, right? 571 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,260 Yeah. I mean, honestly, there was a lot the military taught 572 00:29:50,260 --> 00:29:53,680 me. I thought I had things, some things together, and I was okay, 573 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,260 because I'd always been a self starter. I was always kind of 574 00:29:56,260 --> 00:29:59,020 person who didn't need a lot of outside motivation to do things, 575 00:29:59,020 --> 00:30:01,740 yeah, but there. There was some things that the military taught 576 00:30:01,740 --> 00:30:08,100 me, especially the way I served, which I'm really proud of. Some 577 00:30:08,100 --> 00:30:11,160 submarine life is not like surface Navy life. It's 578 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,840 it's a lot more claustrophobic. It is. 579 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,620 It is, but, but it's hard to explain to people. How 580 00:30:19,620 --> 00:30:21,320 long are you down there. It 581 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,720 depend on a mission, yeah. How was it 582 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,120 a nuclear powered sub? They're all nukes. Now they're all 583 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,900 nukes. And how many guys were on the boat with you? The 584 00:30:29,900 --> 00:30:34,220 crew? The crew could be anywhere from 100 to 120 it just depended 585 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,280 different different departments. Yeah, of course. You had 586 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:41,560 strategic guys, you had tactical guys, you had navigation guys, 587 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,960 engineering guys, people who knew certain things about 588 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,500 certain things. Everybody had to know everything, because if half 589 00:30:47,500 --> 00:30:50,800 the crew goes down, these birds still got to fly. We got to get 590 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,200 these missiles off, yeah. So you to be qualified. What you get 591 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,660 about when you get a certain amount of time to do it, you 592 00:30:55,660 --> 00:30:57,580 can't just show up there. You have to get what's called 593 00:30:57,580 --> 00:31:00,160 qualified, which means you got to learn every nut every boat. 594 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,620 You got to know how to react to plant works. You got to know how 595 00:31:02,620 --> 00:31:04,380 to launch. Gotta know how to launch missiles. You gotta 596 00:31:04,380 --> 00:31:08,220 understand the tactical side of it. If, if half this crew dies, 597 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,920 and we got nowhere to come home to because the rest of the world 598 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,560 has exploded, you can survive. We could survive. But you got to 599 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,860 know this guy's job. You got to know this guy's job. They start 600 00:31:16,860 --> 00:31:19,680 eating each other. Yeah. I mean, we know we would take this. We 601 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,100 had to be have the same intellectual qualifications. And 602 00:31:22,100 --> 00:31:24,500 so it's going to sound kind of weird, because people think, 603 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,960 well, seals don't have an intellect. They actually, really 604 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,980 do. But we had to take the same physicals and we just seal the 605 00:31:31,340 --> 00:31:35,120 seals, the seals and sub guys, yeah, I mean, your scores, your 606 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,340 qualifications. I mean, they're like, right up there. You're 607 00:31:37,340 --> 00:31:39,200 like, 1% of 1% some of 608 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:43,300 that stuff is the is the strange stuff where you're, like, just 609 00:31:43,300 --> 00:31:47,020 those tests, where you're on the beach and you're you're cuffed, 610 00:31:47,020 --> 00:31:48,700 and the waters are coming in, and didn't 611 00:31:48,700 --> 00:31:51,160 do any of that. Oh, yeah, but, yeah, but, but that was, we had 612 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:55,360 our portion of crap that we, that we because, because, you 613 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,900 mean, people would mean, I'm gonna say this. I don't mean any 614 00:31:58,900 --> 00:32:02,460 disrespect. Yeah, there are some professions in the civilian 615 00:32:02,460 --> 00:32:09,600 world where turd is the norm, right? And exceptional 616 00:32:10,500 --> 00:32:13,980 is the exception. Yes, it's uncommon. It's uncommon 617 00:32:14,220 --> 00:32:15,840 in that in that world, 618 00:32:17,340 --> 00:32:22,160 turd was very uncommon, and you found out real fast if you're 619 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,580 who the turd was, and and then what do you do with the turd? 620 00:32:25,580 --> 00:32:29,840 Just one day they're gone. You flush them. You haze them, well, 621 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:30,920 no, or slightly 622 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:35,120 encourage them, like we're only you encouraged 623 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,240 vigorously, but, but, but eventually, wind up 624 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,200 they're gone. So you could just straight up get out of the 625 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,240 military. Well, they're not holding up your radio. 626 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,220 They didn't know. Well, they didn't kick you out of the Navy. 627 00:32:45,220 --> 00:32:48,940 It's just you can't do this. You're a desk jockey now, 628 00:32:49,060 --> 00:32:51,400 whatever. I don't know what they are, what they send them to, but 629 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,460 you can't, yeah, you can't do this. Yeah. And sometimes pick 630 00:32:54,460 --> 00:32:57,580 guys with psych eval out of it. You know this. I mean, you do 631 00:32:57,580 --> 00:33:00,960 get some guys who kind of, kind of get through the preliminary 632 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,660 valuations, and they show up at a submarine, because they 633 00:33:03,660 --> 00:33:07,080 literally, 99% of the time, they know if you're going to be able 634 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,720 to do this before you ever even see a submarine. 635 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,460 What was the whole crush depth and how close did you guys get? 636 00:33:14,460 --> 00:33:17,100 I'm not allowed to remember, you're not allowed. So that's 637 00:33:17,100 --> 00:33:19,800 classified. Really. I legally cannot tell 638 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,680 you, Wow, it's amazing. 639 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,560 It's great to be bound by the laws and the government. That's 640 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:25,220 right. It's 641 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,340 what if we redacted in the buckets? I 642 00:33:28,580 --> 00:33:32,840 legally there are certain things I legally cannot tell you, 643 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:33,200 because 644 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:37,040 in Crimson Tide, another great movie with Gene Hackman. Yeah, 645 00:33:37,220 --> 00:33:40,220 right, yeah. I think they said in that movie it was, like, 1200 646 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,420 feet or something like that. And it was they could, they came 647 00:33:43,420 --> 00:33:46,120 within like 50 feet, and then the powers back up, and they 648 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:47,200 were able to get back up. 649 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,600 Oh my gosh, I can't tell you this, though, close call. If 650 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,780 some if they actually really made a documentary or a movie 651 00:33:52,780 --> 00:33:56,620 about what life is like on a trident ballistic missile 652 00:33:56,620 --> 00:34:00,420 submarine, it lasts about 15 minutes, really. Yeah, it lasts 653 00:34:00,420 --> 00:34:01,140 about 15 is 654 00:34:01,140 --> 00:34:03,180 it that boring? Or the stuff you can't talk about? 655 00:34:03,180 --> 00:34:06,780 I mean, most, most military stuff is you just you, it's 656 00:34:06,780 --> 00:34:09,840 hurry up and wait, hurry up and wait. But when we need you, 657 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,540 yeah, and then, and then you, then you're told this is what 658 00:34:12,540 --> 00:34:15,180 the mission is. You, depending on what you do. You're told 659 00:34:15,180 --> 00:34:17,640 about when you're gonna deploy. You're told about where you're 660 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,900 gonna go. I mean, that's you know about when you might be 661 00:34:20,900 --> 00:34:22,580 back the movies 662 00:34:22,580 --> 00:34:27,080 that are out there that deal in these types of scenarios. Did 663 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:31,400 Crimson Tide come close? Was it really? I mean, it just seemed 664 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,400 that, like all the language they were using, all that stuff 665 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,260 consultants, completely fictional, 666 00:34:36,260 --> 00:34:38,840 really, all Hollywood eyes, completely fictional, really? 667 00:34:38,900 --> 00:34:41,140 Yeah, it would never happened that 668 00:34:41,140 --> 00:34:44,620 way. So why not the Navy Band, that would seem the obvious 669 00:34:44,620 --> 00:34:46,300 choice, less physical. Let 670 00:34:46,300 --> 00:34:50,800 me tell No, let me tell you something. The Navy Band is so 671 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:57,340 competitive, really, dude, you would not believe the level of 672 00:34:57,340 --> 00:35:00,660 rigor it requires you. To be a part 673 00:35:01,380 --> 00:35:03,360 done talking about the submarines. 674 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,640 Okay, well, I just know that you can't legally say, 675 00:35:09,780 --> 00:35:13,380 I like to say about that. But dude, just if you, if you ever 676 00:35:13,380 --> 00:35:17,820 saw them perform, oh yeah, you'd understand why. I mean, it's 677 00:35:17,820 --> 00:35:23,000 that whole musical, professional thing, but, but with military 678 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:27,920 precision and way of life on top of it? Yes? So, real precise, 679 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,040 real very precise, very disciplined, yeah, you have to 680 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:31,820 want to do it. 681 00:35:32,180 --> 00:35:36,200 And they travel and pretty well. And you got your retirement, and 682 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,620 you got a paid vacation, you got dental and medical. 683 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,800 They're soldiers. They're sailors, yeah? Some good. That's 684 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,640 so good. They're Marines. Yeah, it's so competitive. It's so 685 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,040 competitive. My dad was in the Navy. I wish I had more 686 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,100 information, but I know he was on the sub, really. And when I 687 00:35:51,100 --> 00:35:56,140 was born 1970 when dinosaurs roamed the earth, he was on a 688 00:35:56,140 --> 00:35:58,300 sub in Loch Ness, 689 00:35:58,660 --> 00:36:01,440 makes sense for the time. Crazy, right? Yeah, yeah, 690 00:36:01,620 --> 00:36:03,000 exactly in Scotland, 691 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,060 yeah. I said, Did you see the monster dad? You know what I 692 00:36:06,060 --> 00:36:08,580 mean? Because I was, I love lockdown, I love Bigfoot, I love 693 00:36:08,580 --> 00:36:09,900 area 51 Marine 694 00:36:09,900 --> 00:36:12,060 inside Loch Ness. I guess really did 695 00:36:12,060 --> 00:36:14,700 he ever, did you ever ask him questions about this 696 00:36:14,700 --> 00:36:18,360 is so embarrassing. My dad's gonna be 80. So as we're getting 697 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:23,180 to the point where I want to record his life story, ask him. 698 00:36:23,180 --> 00:36:25,700 You want to ask him all the questions. And I want to the 699 00:36:25,700 --> 00:36:27,560 next time we get together. And I 700 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,140 did ask, if we do it on the podcast, it'd be great. We 701 00:36:30,140 --> 00:36:31,760 should. There you go, you know, but it's 702 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,400 going to be, I'll be publicly embarrassed about the number of 703 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,700 things I don't know about my own parent. Well, that's 704 00:36:37,700 --> 00:36:41,680 okay, because, I mean, when after my my dad passed, I found 705 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,260 out a lot of things about him from his friends and people that 706 00:36:44,260 --> 00:36:47,020 knew him well. But, you know, probably as a kid you shouldn't 707 00:36:47,020 --> 00:36:47,260 know, 708 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,620 ditto, yeah, I learned a lot of things about my dad I didn't 709 00:36:50,620 --> 00:36:52,120 know after he was gone. Yep, 710 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,480 by the way, I did watch two episodes of F is for family. 711 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,340 Wow, that was the 70s, yeah, yes, it was 712 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:05,760 binged. 713 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:09,420 Awesome. Yes, was 714 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,720 it Laura Linney is the wife, yeah? And 715 00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:14,340 Justin Long is one of the kids? 716 00:37:14,340 --> 00:37:16,980 Yeah, yeah. He's the one that's in the, like, the, he's, like, 717 00:37:16,980 --> 00:37:18,660 in the band that's like, Yes, 718 00:37:19,260 --> 00:37:22,580 oh no, Prague rock. Justin Long is, the is the is the hippie 719 00:37:22,580 --> 00:37:25,760 son, I believe, but he's in a band, yeah? And it's like, rush, 720 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,100 it's amazing. Yeah, it's amazing. I've only seen the 721 00:37:28,100 --> 00:37:30,620 first two episodes. He's not in a band yet. The one where 722 00:37:30,620 --> 00:37:33,620 they get into the fight at the table, and there's no, they're 723 00:37:33,620 --> 00:37:36,500 like, screaming, and then they have makeup space, oh no, that's 724 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:38,540 what I'm talking 725 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:44,080 about. Where he's getting the calls, the sales calls at 726 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,080 dinner, and he's like, I'm not gonna get it. I'm not getting 727 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:47,800 this boon. 728 00:37:47,860 --> 00:37:53,200 I'll tell you, dude, don't spoil it for dude. F is the family 729 00:37:54,820 --> 00:37:57,220 where a man has to do what a man does. 730 00:37:58,420 --> 00:38:01,980 Amazing. It is awesome, dude. There's only two seasons 731 00:38:01,980 --> 00:38:05,340 of it, yeah, I watched it by myself, yeah? And then my wife, 732 00:38:05,340 --> 00:38:07,560 she's like, What do you watch? I'm like, Oh, you got to check 733 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,320 this out. And we both just dove, right? I swear there's 734 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:11,160 five seasons, 735 00:38:12,660 --> 00:38:15,420 maybe not a couple. Yeah. Okay, well, speaking of cartoons, we 736 00:38:15,420 --> 00:38:17,760 were talking off camera. What's up with that emoji t shirt? 737 00:38:17,940 --> 00:38:21,200 Watch invaders them, and you'll know invaders m 738 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,940 z i m, invader z i m. And what 739 00:38:26,420 --> 00:38:29,480 streaming service is that on? Well, it was on 740 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:33,500 Nickelodeon for a while. Now it's just it's in syndication, 741 00:38:33,980 --> 00:38:39,260 and I bought it on, I hope I could say this on Apple TV, 742 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,920 sure, because I just wanted to have it because I wanted to own 743 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,520 it, because it's so awesome, yeah, but I'm not real sure 744 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,700 where you can watch it now, but it's around. You can get it, but 745 00:38:48,700 --> 00:38:52,900 it's just, it's this wild thing, dude that's created by John and 746 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:59,080 Vasquez. I think I'm announcing his last name, right, but he Zim 747 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:04,200 is an irkin, and his entire planet are invaders. And what 748 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,800 they do is they go around the universe and they invade planets 749 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,560 and enforce their will on these planets. The Earth can weigh on 750 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:14,040 these planets. Well, this particular show is about an 751 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:19,560 invader who's horrible at it. He literally is the worst invader 752 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:23,000 that you're ever going to meet Little does he know that the 753 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,580 leaders who are called the almighty tallest, they're the 754 00:39:25,580 --> 00:39:28,400 leaders of his people because they're the tallest. Oh, that's 755 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,920 poor people, and they're identical. They're identical 756 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,500 because two of them, they're identical because they're the 757 00:39:33,500 --> 00:39:36,500 same height. They sent him the earth to get rid of him. But he 758 00:39:36,500 --> 00:39:40,360 doesn't know this, all right? And as bad as this sounds, he's 759 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,600 actually trying to destroy Earth. He's the he's the 760 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:47,800 protagonist. The antagonist is the kid who knows that. He's an 761 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,220 invader trying to take over the earth. But nobody believes 762 00:39:51,220 --> 00:39:53,320 him. It sounds like resident alien. 763 00:39:54,220 --> 00:39:56,560 It may be maybe a little similar to resident alien. 764 00:39:56,620 --> 00:39:59,020 I mean, it sounds good. I mean, it's no tribal but I'm wearing a 765 00:39:59,020 --> 00:39:59,560 t shirt 766 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:04,440 that. That character, Dib. Yes, dib is the is the antagonist 767 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:08,040 who's always foiling the protagonist, Zim. But this is, 768 00:40:09,240 --> 00:40:13,860 this is that kind of faci thing that DIB wears on every episode. 769 00:40:13,860 --> 00:40:14,220 What's the 770 00:40:14,220 --> 00:40:18,000 one you're watching? Primal? I watched primal on it was adults. 771 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:23,180 It was like a five season Adult Swim cartoon, but very bloody, 772 00:40:23,180 --> 00:40:27,080 very gory, very violent, and a great soundtrack. So it's I've 773 00:40:27,140 --> 00:40:29,780 talked about it on several episodes, but I binged it, and 774 00:40:29,780 --> 00:40:34,700 I'll probably watch it again. It's a T Rex and a caveman who 775 00:40:34,700 --> 00:40:37,880 neither one of them can speak, but they befriend each other and 776 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,400 they travel the world on an adventure. Wow, 777 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,600 dude, see, that's what you want, dude, a buddy, a bro thing, 778 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,640 which dude I'm telling you, interspecies 779 00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,760 bro, yes, story amazing. It's like, 780 00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,820 you know, speaking of Adult Swim again, hopefully I can say this 781 00:40:51,820 --> 00:40:55,660 world case, totally Yeah, dude. We have no sponsors. Metal, 782 00:40:55,660 --> 00:40:57,100 ocalis, have you guys seen metal? Oh 783 00:40:57,100 --> 00:40:59,800 yeah, I've seen them. I've seen some of the musicians from that 784 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,660 play live, really, at the Improv on Melrose in LA talk 785 00:41:03,660 --> 00:41:07,320 about soundtrack. Dude, Gene holder, dude, that show dude, 786 00:41:07,500 --> 00:41:10,740 dude, is incredible. If you still don't watch it for the 787 00:41:10,740 --> 00:41:12,420 music, it's incredible. 788 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:16,140 But a metal locker is that on Adult Swim metal? I don't 789 00:41:16,140 --> 00:41:19,200 think they're not. It's not on Adult Swim anymore. But again, I 790 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,280 bought it Apple TV, Apple TV, but it's out there. You can find 791 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:26,180 it anywhere. But it's just this really cool show about this, the 792 00:41:26,180 --> 00:41:30,800 internal life of rock stars, yes, who and they literally are, 793 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:37,160 like, the eighth largest economy by themselves, really on the 794 00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,420 planet. I'm not gonna spoil it too much. Just watch it. It's 795 00:41:40,420 --> 00:41:41,140 awesome. And 796 00:41:41,140 --> 00:41:44,560 so speaking of gene, Hoagland, do you play fast double bass? Do 797 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:45,160 you like that? I 798 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:48,220 don't play fast double bass as fast as gene does. Who does I 799 00:41:48,220 --> 00:41:51,700 mean, jeez. But yes, I dig some double bass. When I think 800 00:41:51,700 --> 00:41:55,780 Lombardo fast, I never really heard gene. It depends 801 00:41:55,780 --> 00:41:58,480 on who you ask. A lot of people would say that when it comes to 802 00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:03,780 that metal double bait, that gene is, like the gold standard, 803 00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,780 but, but I'm not saying that other guys aren't right, but 804 00:42:06,780 --> 00:42:12,900 gene is also hella musical. I mean, just, he's just really 805 00:42:13,260 --> 00:42:16,020 musical. I'm not saying other guys aren't right, but, but, 806 00:42:16,020 --> 00:42:19,140 yeah, he's that metal dude that just, but 807 00:42:19,140 --> 00:42:24,320 you know who my metal guy was Vinnie aposy, yes. Car mine's 808 00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,840 brother, yes. And he wasn't a double Basser. He just had a 809 00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,780 nice, strong right foot. And then my double bass chops come 810 00:42:29,780 --> 00:42:33,620 from Carmine, and it's more about power than speed. So I got 811 00:42:33,620 --> 00:42:37,580 a lot of power and but I'm more of like a slow foot me and like 812 00:42:37,580 --> 00:42:41,080 Clapton, slow hand, slow foot would be this amazing band. 813 00:42:41,260 --> 00:42:41,680 Yeah, 814 00:42:41,740 --> 00:42:44,440 that's the challenge that I've been having with the Huey thing, 815 00:42:44,500 --> 00:42:48,640 really, is that they want me to, like, at the end of new drug, 816 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:54,400 they want to accent all the horn blah, you know, they want to, 817 00:42:54,460 --> 00:42:58,240 like, kind of do back, like, little, you know, you could do 818 00:42:58,240 --> 00:43:01,500 that, you know, like, what Bill does in the second part of that 819 00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:05,100 mood got to and he goes, go back to the groove. Yeah, they want 820 00:43:05,100 --> 00:43:09,000 it done in every single section. And you listen to some of the 821 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:13,260 other drummers that they have, they're 822 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,020 like, more always, are 823 00:43:16,140 --> 00:43:18,300 you saying you'd like to be able 824 00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,200 to do that? I don't write. I'm at the age where I'm like, I 825 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,500 don't need to, like, once about a time, I'd be like, Oh my gosh, 826 00:43:24,500 --> 00:43:28,040 I gotta learn how to play like that. Like, I watched Jelly 827 00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:31,820 Rolls drummer a couple of Cody ash. Cody ash, that dude is a 828 00:43:31,940 --> 00:43:35,660 beast. He's fast. He's really fast. And, you know, but it's 829 00:43:35,660 --> 00:43:39,200 all the stuff that he's doing. He's doing a like, you know, a 830 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,740 lot of like, variations with the kick at the toms and stuff like 831 00:43:41,740 --> 00:43:42,280 that. Dare 832 00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,760 I say he's got, he had some like, you called him modern 833 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:52,060 gospel chops. It's gospel chops meets Prague metal. Okay, right? 834 00:43:52,060 --> 00:43:54,520 And he's mixing it up. Yeah, he's playing with this guy named 835 00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,680 Jelly Roll crazy. It's nuts. He's 836 00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,500 like, a metal drummer that found himself a country gig. Totally. 837 00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,980 Well, you know, I mean it. Maybe you don't want to, you don't 838 00:44:01,980 --> 00:44:07,440 care about it, but you know JoJo Meyer, great drummer. Love that 839 00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:11,160 dude to death. He's like a real drummer playing electronica, 840 00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:15,180 yeah. But anyway, he's an incredible teacher as well. Yes. 841 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:19,380 And his advice for guys who want to play faster is just, it's not 842 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,520 all about just building up your chops to get to a certain speed. 843 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,520 You literally have to learn, have to have to learn to think 844 00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:30,260 faster, to play faster. And he's not saying just thought, after 845 00:44:30,260 --> 00:44:31,820 thought, after thought, I thought. That's not what he 846 00:44:31,820 --> 00:44:35,480 means. He's saying you have to adjust your mind, yes, to the 847 00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,960 speed of what you want to do, and it can get you there fast. 848 00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,560 He's got a whole thing about Yeah. And JoJo Meyer, I'm 849 00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,620 telling you, just as a technician, the he's pretty 850 00:44:44,620 --> 00:44:45,820 amazing. He is because 851 00:44:45,820 --> 00:44:48,760 when he does his Samba, you know, so like when I do a samba, 852 00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:52,240 it starts to pick up swinging, digging, digging, digging, 853 00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:55,540 digging, right? But he's thinking he's got that second 854 00:44:55,540 --> 00:44:58,540 note in there, right? So he's right, right? He's got this 855 00:44:58,540 --> 00:45:00,780 thing where he can get all four No. In there. And I have to 856 00:45:00,780 --> 00:45:03,900 cheat it, you know, we're most human drummers. Don't take again 857 00:45:04,020 --> 00:45:06,480 gig again, Mere Mortals. Yes, it's 858 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,620 crazy. We all have the same musculature, though, and bone 859 00:45:10,620 --> 00:45:11,340 structure, but 860 00:45:11,460 --> 00:45:14,400 some guys might have sort of, like a they're fast 861 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,860 Twitchers. There's Twitchers. They're fast Twitchers. Yeah, 862 00:45:16,980 --> 00:45:19,680 yeah. And I guess, and I guess you can build that up to a 863 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:24,140 certain degree, but you know, a lot of stuff is, is, I mean, I 864 00:45:24,140 --> 00:45:26,480 hate to say it like this, but I just think there's a truth to 865 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,960 it, because it sounds like none of us have access to it, which 866 00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:33,080 is not the case. Some guys, honestly, they have a there's 867 00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,660 gift to it. I mean, I think a lot, most a lot of museums, are 868 00:45:35,660 --> 00:45:38,480 really gifted, but, but we're all different. We're gifted 869 00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,260 differently. Even if we play the same instrument, we're gifted 870 00:45:41,260 --> 00:45:43,360 differently. And you know, and if you do things a little 871 00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,660 slower, that's fine, too. Maybe you're more musical, you know, 872 00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:49,360 because it's not about how much you can play or how much bass 873 00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:53,140 you can fill up. I actually enjoy musicians, honestly, not 874 00:45:53,140 --> 00:45:57,340 because of the less they play, but they know what to play, 875 00:45:57,340 --> 00:46:01,320 where to play it, when to play it, and they're literally there, 876 00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,440 not necessarily not to be seen, but they're a servant in how 877 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,060 they approach it. If they're musical, 878 00:46:06,060 --> 00:46:08,940 like you're talking about now, to your point earlier that you 879 00:46:08,940 --> 00:46:11,820 made, that the song is gonna tell you what it needs. Yeah, 880 00:46:11,820 --> 00:46:13,980 it's gonna tell you what it needs. And that's musical 881 00:46:13,980 --> 00:46:16,860 maturity. That's musicianship maturity, to me, that you know, 882 00:46:16,860 --> 00:46:19,740 even as I'm getting back into it, I've been playing since I'm 883 00:46:19,740 --> 00:46:23,720 1112, years old, but for the longest time, and what's working 884 00:46:23,720 --> 00:46:27,500 against me is the fact that, you know, building up the muscle 885 00:46:27,500 --> 00:46:31,100 memory and the chops going in thinking that it's simple music 886 00:46:31,100 --> 00:46:34,040 to play, which it is not like, I had a guy come up to me this 887 00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,020 morning. He goes, he's like, Well, that's pretty much 888 00:46:36,020 --> 00:46:39,080 straight head music. I'm like, Dude, you think it is simple, 889 00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:42,280 simple stuff. Dude, can be like, for real challenging, because 890 00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:46,900 simple stuff, especially if, if it's, if it's meant to work, it 891 00:46:46,900 --> 00:46:50,260 is what it is, you know, it's simple, it stands on its own. 892 00:46:50,260 --> 00:46:53,680 Well, you have to handle it a little, a little differently, 893 00:46:53,860 --> 00:46:57,100 because it's simple. It doesn't need you to. And I'm not talking 894 00:46:57,100 --> 00:46:59,080 about playing less. I'm just saying it's just, it's a 895 00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:00,580 simplicity to it. Well, he had made 896 00:47:00,580 --> 00:47:02,880 the comment. He says, Well, it's not like, it's, you know, you're 897 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,600 playing Neil Pierre, I said, Neil Peart stuff. You knew it 898 00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:10,560 was complicated, right? I said, Try playing if this is it. Yeah, 899 00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,860 six got dude, got dude. 900 00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:17,460 That's a lot harder. But feel, feel is, I mean, not being 901 00:47:17,460 --> 00:47:21,020 insulting towards anybody feel, a lot of times, it's something 902 00:47:21,020 --> 00:47:25,520 that a lot of people don't have. You know, field is the kind of 903 00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,940 thing. You're definitely born in it. Well, you can develop and 904 00:47:28,940 --> 00:47:31,760 develop it, but, but it's the kind of thing that I think 905 00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:36,740 personally feel. Feel is one of those things that, in some 906 00:47:36,740 --> 00:47:41,140 instances, you have to want it. You have to want to have great 907 00:47:41,140 --> 00:47:44,740 feel I mean, I've gotten, I've gotten jobs before 908 00:47:45,460 --> 00:47:46,720 based on your feeling, yeah? Because 909 00:47:46,720 --> 00:47:51,220 this Gerald is a guy's a great feeler. Yeah, he's making, he 910 00:47:51,220 --> 00:47:54,640 makes life easy for the rest of us. He's musical. He understand 911 00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:56,800 how this thing's supposed to feel. Yeah? And, you know, 912 00:47:56,980 --> 00:47:59,260 without being too technical or anything like that, because I 913 00:47:59,260 --> 00:48:01,420 know some dudes that they don't give a credit, they don't want 914 00:48:01,420 --> 00:48:04,320 to talk about the technicality. Technicalities of anything. I 915 00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,080 just want you to feel this thing. I want to have to not 916 00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,840 look her back. I don't want to have to not look back at Yes, 917 00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:14,400 yes, yes, yes. That's the worst I've had in these that would 918 00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,580 there were just absolute tyrants in the rehearsal room. And they 919 00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:19,740 would tell you, you know, dude, I you know. You ask them, Am I 920 00:48:19,740 --> 00:48:22,020 doing a good job? Because you want to get feedback. And they 921 00:48:22,020 --> 00:48:23,960 go, Well, I tell you what. They go, Well, I tell you what. You 922 00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,060 know, when people are dancing at the gig, I'll let you know if 923 00:48:26,060 --> 00:48:27,740 you're doing if you did a good job. 924 00:48:27,740 --> 00:48:30,440 That was the ultimate test in this. In the 80s and 90s, 925 00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,440 playing in dance bands, wedding bands, corporate bands, how many 926 00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:37,100 people? How long you could keep? Can you 927 00:48:37,100 --> 00:48:38,540 make that shuffle, bounce, 928 00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:40,900 yeah. Can you Yeah? Can you make that thing dance? Can you make 929 00:48:40,900 --> 00:48:42,760 yourself without, yeah, so, I mean, there are a lot of 930 00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,460 different ways to evaluate things, but, but speed is great, 931 00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:46,180 but, well, 932 00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,420 I mean, it's, it serves a purpose to a certain kind of 933 00:48:49,420 --> 00:48:54,580 audience. So you listen to like, but I came up it was I listened 934 00:48:54,580 --> 00:48:57,160 to, you know, Van Halen was a huge influence on me. Then it 935 00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:00,040 could be, it became rush, and my playing level went up a whole 936 00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,120 lot more. And then, you know, I got into, like, the heavier 937 00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:06,720 bands, metallic and Anthrax was a big influence on me, but that 938 00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:09,960 was all thrash speed and all that kind of, and I used to play 939 00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,360 all the fast double bass stuff, but it just didn't stick, you 940 00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:13,500 know, because it's like, okay, 941 00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:15,660 yeah, you know what you guys have in common? What 942 00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:21,500 Carter? Yeah, yeah. I was never gonna sound like Carter, but 943 00:49:21,500 --> 00:49:23,720 just the way Carter kind of approached things, to me, was 944 00:49:23,720 --> 00:49:27,800 really freeing. Yeah, you know, over here, over here, yeah, but 945 00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,560 not only that. I mean, he, he that he and Dave in that band 946 00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,920 have me. I mean, the guy gets to feel over lyrics and 947 00:49:34,340 --> 00:49:37,220 yeah, he's encouraged to do it, 948 00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:41,320 yeah, he gets to play the exact same set list tomorrow, but not 949 00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:44,440 the same way. Yeah, in 950 00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:48,040 the live version of ants marching that when I was getting 951 00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:52,300 in the radio in the late 90s, there was a portion of it where 952 00:49:52,300 --> 00:49:56,620 he would play this. It was like the Huertas off the symbol the 953 00:49:56,620 --> 00:50:05,220 Tom and the snare drum. You know, over that burnt, he was 954 00:50:05,220 --> 00:50:08,100 keeping time. And I'm, I would sit there and listening to it, 955 00:50:08,100 --> 00:50:11,880 going, what the hell is he doing? Yeah. And then you 956 00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:13,140 finally get the 20, 957 00:50:13,140 --> 00:50:16,860 does it with the feet and the China's that that it gets right, 958 00:50:16,860 --> 00:50:17,220 yeah. 959 00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:24,020 And then you get under the table and drumming the video set. Did 960 00:50:24,020 --> 00:50:25,100 you have that? Yeah, I 961 00:50:25,100 --> 00:50:30,080 do the hockey jersey, yes? Well, I gave it away to a kid. I 962 00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,600 rocked, I did, but I had it for years, but I gave it away my 963 00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:34,640 wife. They're not flattering. No, they're not. 964 00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:38,180 It's a thing. Or the the wetsuit that he used to 965 00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:40,840 never, never did the wetsu, yeah, he 966 00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,740 used to wear, like, the spandex shirts, 967 00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:50,140 amazing man. But it was designed for him. To him, he could get 968 00:50:50,140 --> 00:50:52,660 away with it. But the rest he got away. But the rest of us had 969 00:50:52,660 --> 00:50:55,540 to just kind of whatever, yeah, I was gonna wear the loose 970 00:50:55,540 --> 00:50:55,840 hockey 971 00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:57,040 jersey and do good with it. 972 00:50:57,100 --> 00:51:00,660 If you're a founding member of a band and you have, you know, an 973 00:51:00,660 --> 00:51:03,060 understanding with the guy that's singing those songs and 974 00:51:03,060 --> 00:51:05,400 you're writing the songs. I mean, it's like everything was 975 00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,340 lined up perfectly for him to be able to play the way he wants to 976 00:51:08,340 --> 00:51:10,320 play, you know? I mean, unbelievable. 977 00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:14,340 Well, well, but I'm on a rich gush a little bit. Yeah, you 978 00:51:14,340 --> 00:51:17,520 know? I mean, you're a founding member of a band, as far as I 979 00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:17,820 know. 980 00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:22,220 Yeah, this has been the rich Redmond show. Subscribe, rate 981 00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:26,240 and follow along at rich redmond.com, forward, slash 982 00:51:26,240 --> 00:51:27,140 podcasts you.