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Coming to you from crash studios
in Music City, USA. Nashville.

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This is the rich Redmond show

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Yep, it's that time. It's never
an exciting episode of the rich

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Redmond show. This one's long
overdue. Of course I say that

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all the time because I have so
many musician friends. But this

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one is long overdue because
today's guest we moved to

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Nashville. This is my Nashville
family. We're going to talk

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about that today. The drumming
family will all move within a

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couple of weeks of each other.
And I get this gentleman all to

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myself today. Usually I'm joined
by Jim McCarthy, my co host co

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producer Jim McCarthy voice
overs.com. We'll get into that

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because we have that in common
with our guests today as well

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some voiceover action, but let's
get into it. Hailing from

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Concord, North Carolina, calling
Nashville home since 1997. And

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since 2019, has been the touring
drummer with Hank Williams Jr.

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And that's just the tip of the
iceberg. He's also played with

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Gary Allen Mark chestnut, Heidi
Newfield Kelly Pickler, get your

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breath Loverboy Slidell, Texas
Jeff Bates Erin tip and Chris

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Knight Trent Tomlinson, Shannon
Lawson, Ricky van Shelton Mitch

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Malloy, Marty Reid, the list
goes on and on. Our friend Lee

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Kelly, what's up pow.

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Yeah, can't keep a job. That's
the joke of people who've been

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here this long, right? You've
been way too hard on yourself.

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And that's great. It's an
amazing, Ed's amazing resume.

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You and I are sitting here
catching up in a public forum.

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You got your boom, boom drum
room. I got crash studio here.

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I'm sure you're staring at piles
of drum kits and snare drums

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sourced from around the world.
Same as me. We did the thing,

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man. So I know that from reading
your bio, you moved to Nashville

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on a very specific date January
11 1997. Is that right? Yep. Now

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for me, I knew it was February
or March. And I don't know I'd

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have to ask Jim rarely, because
we that is our grad. This is our

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graduating class. Me, you. Jim
Riley, who went on to Rascal

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Flatts fame. Pat McDonald, who
went on to play with Charlie

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Daniels. Guy versus old Charlie
Daniels. And was there someone

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else in the mix there? Like, you
know, William Ellis was kind of

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coming up a little bit with us.
But that was about the Big Four

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right there. I think William was
already here. Oh, yeah. And

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playing I can't remember the
band he played with but the band

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he played with us to come to
Charlotte. I never saw him. But

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I remember the band name like
playing in our neighborhood,

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neighborhood clubs or whatever.
So yeah. Taylor, man. So yeah,

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so So we, you know, we took that
first step, which is, you know,

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the big step. And that is the
biggest step. And that requires

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the most bravery and conviction.
And it really is, you know, you

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could do anything in any chapter
in any season of your life. But,

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you know, when you're in your
20s, or your 30s, you know, you

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still have that, like piss and
vinegar, and you're like, I'm

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gonna show them I'm gonna do the
thing at the watering hole. What

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was your background? And why did
you say, Alright, it's time for

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Nashville?

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grown up playing drums. But it
wasn't really a vocation that my

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parents are saw as a vocation.
Right? So my education with it

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kind of stopped at high school.
And then I still played to

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records and stuff in college if
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kit up in a band room or in a
dorm room or something I would.

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And then toward the end of
college, a friend of mine, there

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was a band, I followed around
called Sugar Creek for a few

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years, when I was a teenager,
and they were they had done Star

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Search.

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You know, they were kind of
local, you know, local regional

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heroes. Yeah. It would, you
know, put out their own records

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and stuff. So they do a
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covers and do it. hour and a
half set break an hour and a

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half set. And it was like seeing
a an arena. Uncertain a club

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every time you saw these guys.
Well, they broke up the keyboard

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player putting together a new
band called too much Sylvia. And

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I was the original drummer.
Actually, the drum heads right

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there. Now was it. There's too
much Sylvia or it too much. So

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there's too much Sylvia.

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Where does the emphasis go on
the syllable? Well,

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we started as a melodic rock
band. So we were writing late,

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right? Exact well, right as
right before Nirvana hits. We

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started in 89

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or 89 and 90

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wrote 10 songs. And Monica said,
did a bunch of covers like Black

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Crowes Mr. Big Yes.

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Played a few gigs like that
Nirvana hits and changes the

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Landscape completely. It sounds
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rail. I'm telling you that was a
big fan of, of those guys as

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well. Yeah, you know, and it
just changed the landscape as

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you remember as well. And so in
his genius, Rick Lee, the leader

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of the band, who had been
running band since 1968.

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Is that let's make it a variety
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but it became like, it led
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and playing some of that stuff,
the Carolina Beach band stuff,

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the variety stuff, stuff that
was sequenced with horns, and

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percussion, that he had played
with a clique and all that

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stuff.

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Triggering pads, you know, like
everybody does now, but back

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then it was just an octopath to
just triggering silence. He

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then spent about four years in
that band as the original

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drummer. And so it was like,
Okay, I got to change and then I

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played with a few blues bands
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area.

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played in one band that was kind
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band, so it was everything Jimmy
Buffett Little Feat Allman

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Brothers, all that stuff.

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And but that band wanted a
singing drummer. So they wanted

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more harmonies, and they had
three part harmony and four part

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harmony. Sometimes it's the bass
player of champion, but they

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wanted to singing drummer so
they wanted to make a change.

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And a friend of mine went, Hey,
our buddy that used to live here

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bass player named Ron cheek. Now
rest is so he's been past a

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while.

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He had already moved to
Nashville, this drummer friend

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of mine,

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named Frank, surreal. He goes,
Let's go to Nashville for a week

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and check it out. And that was
like August of 96. Very smart.

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Yeah. No, okay. Sure. You know,
we came in on a Sunday

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afternoon, and the first place
we went was the Boardwalk Cafe.

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Ah, which is which? Came 16th
Avenue Shoe Warehouse. And now

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it's something else right. Now
the Boardwalk Cafe was the one

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Oh, no one's Ville? Oh, yeah.
That was the first place I

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played to at a gym session with
Casey Lutton. Posted by Cassie

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Lutton. Yeah, remember the
soundboard was over there in the

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corner next to the popcorn
machine. Yeah. The one you're

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thinking about, which is where
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Avenue cafe. That was owned by
owned by Rick enjoys Tiger.

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Yeah, so we watch Mike Kennedy
play all the time, God rest his

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soul. Well, and funny enough,
the first band that we saw at

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the boardwalk on that Sunday in
August of 96 was my bridge shard

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and the starving hounds. But
instead of Kennedy playing

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drums, it was Steve Cummings on
drums. Steve Cummings is still

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here kicking it around town and
I haven't seen him in 15 years

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as he Have you ever run into
him? I just follow I see what he

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does on Facebook and I keep
meaning when he does those.

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Bowen shows that Jimmy Bowen
things Yeah, out at music

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Valley. I need to go drop in on
him because he was a big, you

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know, like a big cheerleader.
You sat in and how you work that

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kind of thing. Yeah. And Frank
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we sat in there we sat at the
Broken Spoke. We sat in at

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Barbara's with Steve, me some
more was playing there. Steve

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was a cheerleader. Yeah. Oh,
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Saturday games, it will be
Saturday games. There was a

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baseball game Brenda Clark, who,
you know, went on play with some

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other people she played with
older artists. Back then. Yeah.

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After we after I played one song
with her a shuffle on old

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country shuffle. She looks at me
goes, Do you live here? And I

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said no. But I'm thinking about
moving. She goes, gave me your

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number. He goes, Okay, when you
move here, call me. Let me know

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you're here. So I'm hiring you.
I was like, okay. Don't even

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live there. You got work? Well,
yeah, it's always encouraging.

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And then also, along those lines
at bears had done that thing in

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Modern Drummer, where somebody
asked him to critique his plane.

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And he said, Well, I really
can't though his answer, and his

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answer was I really can't
critique it without hearing you.

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So send me a tape and he
graciously opened it up to all

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the readers of Modern Drummer
where it was if you want to send

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me a tape for me to critique
your playing send it to Money

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Pit studios in Nashville, we
owned I remember that. Yeah,

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that's cool. Yeah, it was
somewhere in the mid 90s. So I

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put together a tape of like, you
know, pulled audio and video

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stuff. I'd had a couple of
things and sent it to him and he

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was nice enough to write you
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Write back up a little note and
a side note that basically said,

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Hey, if you move here your work
makes you able to get a day gig

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like we all had to Yes. And you
can use me as a reference and I

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went, Okay, that's, I'm going
green. That is correct. Because

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I did the same thing. I didn't
do it through monster drummer.

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But somehow I got Eddie's
information. And Edie and Lonnie

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got a rich Redman cassette. And
it had me covering all styles

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for Motown diffusion and
everything in between, and he

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did the same thing. A kid,
you'll do fine. Be part of the

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community support the community.
And let me know if you need a

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reference. How cool he took
this. Yeah. So yeah, and then we

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ended up, you know, January 96,
and February and March of 96. We

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all show up.

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Okay, so what are you been doing
since and go?

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We're just talking about how to
25 years, come and go. But I

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love this story of a shuffle
because I've been consuming some

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of the interviews that are out
there that exist your you know,

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the working drummers podcasts
and stuff, because I was like,

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there's 25 years have gone by
long periods of time. Well, I

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won't see Lee let me kind of
bone up on some of the things

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that are happening in his life.
And you're telling me about the

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story with Gary Allen. And how
you went to this audition, I

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remember going to that audition
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we're going to do shuffles, they
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like, like cheap trick like
shoulder on the ride cymbal,

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like rim shots. And And anyways,
I don't know if it was the right

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approach. It wasn't because you
your shuffle. Got you. The gig

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was Gary Allen, your first job.
Was that the first job you got?

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It was the first artists gig.
Yeah, you're shuffling. That's

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you the job, buddy. Well,
honestly, I'm glad we get to

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talk about this because I didn't
think I'd get the gig because I

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knew you were auditioning, I'm
like, Oh, rachel, get it.

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But and also, when I don't know
if you remember when you listen

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to Gary's first album, it's so
country. So yeah, I mean, even

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that to the second album, it
would be you was the change. And

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then of course, the smoke rings
was a drastic and fantastic

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change for him. Yeah, musically.
Yeah. But I was in the first

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record and listen to that song
that you're talking about the

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one that we all started with,
I'm sure sitting back my heart

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that

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and I remember Gary had us all
bring our drum sets in, which

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was weird. Where were you
playing at the time because I

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was I was probably over the top
with my black smoky black Yamaha

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kit with the gold turrets you
know the wack.

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Oh, yeah. The white the maple
customs maple customs? Yeah, I

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remember you still you always
played one up into down? I

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remember that. Yeah. And I was
playing an AR kit at the time to

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up and well, two up and two down
or two up and one down. Yeah. On

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a rack. Which, after I got the
gig, it quickly went away

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because Gary's like, that's not
really the lookup looking

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forward. I'm like, I get it.
That's cool. You know? So switch

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back to modular stands from
that. But the shuffle thing it

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we played the song.

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Yeah, set up. Nobody says much
of anything to each other

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because they're sizing you up.
And you're over there trying to

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get your stuff together. You
know? Okay, he'll be right

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public fast. Guys. Hold on a
second. Yeah. Crazy.

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Gear. Yeah. Yeah. And you're
putting your erector set

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together. And also, even if you
do one with a house kit, you're

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having to move the erector set
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And it's kind of like dead air
on radio. You feel like you're

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just all manases you know, this
is like forever.

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And we played the song and
nobody said a word. Except for

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Ali O'Shea the federal player
who always kind of equate him to

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Kramer from Seinfeld. Is he
still around? He's he's not

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around Nashville. But he is in
Taos, New Mexico. Oh, artsy

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scene, man. Yeah, yeah. He's
he's been out there for quite a

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while. And I know he plays with
Michael Martin mu Michel Martin

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Murphy. Quite good. So ah, he
says busy out there. He was very

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wiry, skinny looking dude.
Almost like a Kenny G meets

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Kramer right.

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Yeah, a little bit. Yeah. And
kind of wore the same kind of,

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you know, like slacks and stuff
had the same kind of vibe.

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And all it was the guy who was
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Lauderdale to whoever he
introduced Jim to to launch

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Jim's career. Like they were
working together somewhere in

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Chicago and Ollie knew
somebody's like you got to check

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Lauderdale out, you know that
kind of Oh, wow. But nobody says

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a word at all. He just looks at
me goes Hey kid, nice tits. And

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I'm like, What? What does that
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what that means? No idea. So, so
yes, Brian Arsenault that wonder

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Arsenal knows I just had lunch
with them after not seeing him

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for like six years the other
day. Oh, cool, man. Yeah, it was

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cool. He's still there. I mean,
he was hard. And I was still in

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the band. Yeah.

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And actually, I saw them in
2017. Yeah. When I started

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playing with Kindle, Marvel, and
Kindle had co written right,

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ready to be his current outlet
just up at Kindle became an

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artist at that point. And we
opened for Gary.

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And they sounded so great. Like,
back when we all auditioned for

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him, and I played for him. It
was a guitar band. There were no

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keyboards, right. In fact, John
Lancaster passed. Yeah.

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On this gig, John asked me goes,
so were you in the band? Would

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Mike Webb was playing keyboards.
I said, No, I was in the band

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with Gary hated keyboard
players. There wasn't any.

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So all the guitar players were
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But then when I saw him in 2017,
I think I told Jeff Jackson and

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I told Gary, I said, that was
amazing. I said, that was the

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band I always wanted.

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I'd say interesting was that
when Larry Bab was playing

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drums. Yeah, Larry, I think
Larry is still there. Dude,

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Larry is

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a secret gem, and an aerated gem
of Nashville. Like I saw that

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dude play with big and rich and
they've had a lot of great

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drummers, and like Kitt. You
know, he'll, he'll leave in a

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minute. He's like, dude, that
guy played that gig perfectly.

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It was like

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it was just perfect. I mean,
he's just like, that is flawless

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drumming. You know what I mean?
Where and where are you? He

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never gets out. Because he's
practicing eight hours a day

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still in his 50s. You know what
I mean? Yeah, we had dinner one

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of those dates back then. And
he's like, yeah, man, I'm still

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practicing. Oh, my gosh, please
stop. And Gary's like, hey, come

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by the bus, you know, the gig.
And so as I'm walking out of the

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door, there goes Larry, he's
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It's gone. Yeah, yeah. That's
crazy. But hey, Kendall, Marvel

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was the only name I really
wasn't familiar with on the

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list, but okay, so he was a
writer that got a record deal,

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but he would do these Honky Tonk
nights it was it was kind of

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like a was it like a variety
show? We had guests and things

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are? Well, his thing started
before I joined him is it's

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called the Kindle Marvel kindled
Marvel walkie talkie experience

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that he started at the exit in.
And he was a rider that was

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around the time he moved to
town. In fact, his first co

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write was right where I need to
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like, second day in town, he
wrote that song, and that was a

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hit. That he gave a lot to his
dad. from it. Yeah, yeah. For

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you know, helping him out. He
said, Man, if I write a hit, you

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know, we'll settle up. And he
happened to write it the day

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after he moved to town. Yeah,
but he was a writer throughout

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the late 90s and 2000s.

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Mostly recently, he's written a
lot of stuff with brothers

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Osbourne. Okay. Yeah. And well,
and was Chris Stapleton. In

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fact, either way,

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that's him. And Kendall is
Stapleton, Kendall Marvel. So

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that's won a Grammy. And then
what was the one with brother's

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eyes when they just did? Oh,
younger me. But that's Kindle

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Marvel cut. Right? Nice. So he's
still in the mix? Oh, yeah.

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Yeah, and Kindles out playing.
In fact, he opened three or four

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shows for us with Hank last
year. Yeah.

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And he's kind of the reason I
got the Hank gig because he

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would hire if he augmented the
four piece band.

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He would hire a steel player.
And if he hired a steel player,

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it was either cowboy Eddie long
from the Bama Vadera, or Mike

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Daly, who's been there now. 27
years. Mike Daly first steel

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player I ever shared a stage
with I had never met a steel

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guitar player because, you know,
coming to Dallas seen a lot of

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saxophones a lot. You know, a
lot of electric guitar rippers

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you know what I mean? Not a lot
of steel guitar. Well, no.

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I take that back. I did play
with a cat named Milo Dearing,

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who is the fiddle mandolin steel
king of Tao.

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was Texas. And that's him
playing on the theme song to

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Motel Six, you know, we'll leave
the light on for you. That was

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like some of my experience but
you know, in Dallas was all

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about the saxophone, you know,
like Sergio the shirtless

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saxophone player a lot. And now
we don't play with any saxophone

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players in Nashville. It's all
steel guitar. Yeah, it's one of

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the most beautiful instruments,
period. It's a weapon. It's a

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weapon in the wrong hands. But a
beautiful instrument if you know

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how to do it and tell me if I'm
wrong. I don't know if you

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noticed this, but most steel
guitar players are advanced in

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age because it is a mature
person's instrument. That takes

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some time to figure out. Oh,
yeah, it's you're wrestling an

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alligator. Kinda on a piano?
Yeah. Yeah. It's, but it's it's

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wonderful when it's in the right
hands. Yeah, man. Yeah. In fact,

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yeah, it's in. So us leaving a
Kindle Marvel rehearsal, or

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Kindle was also changing a
couple of band members. So I was

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kind of calling the shots of
what we were running throughout.

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Okay, back to the guest thing.
His hockey talk experience

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was an is whenever he does it,
he's doing it sparingly now

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because of, you know, he's
busier on the road and stuff

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like that.

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But it would be playing Kindles
originals off the first record

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at the time now he's got three
albums out. But at the time, it

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was just off the first record
that he did with God rest his

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soul, Keith Gaddis. We're
talking about a lot of people

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that have passed on today,
right? It's Oh,

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yeah, there's another one today.
Ronnie Stoneman, you know,

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passed away today. I was Ronnie
stone when the banjo player from

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the Stoneman family and also she
was a she was on E Hall. Oh,

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wow. The lady with the gap
teeth. Oh, wow. Okay. She was

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one of the people on here.

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But can we play Kindles,
originals? And the Kindle? What

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have guest singers come out?
Like he'd have Randy Houser come

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out, he'd have a main guest, and
he'd have other ones peppered

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through the night. But the main
guests would do like three or

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four songs, maybe four or five.
And then the other people

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sitting in

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everybody had to do country
covers. That was the criteria.

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You couldn't do originals of
Gary did or when Gary said in

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Gary did originals because of
the CO writer right where I need

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to be.

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And he didn't I think one of the
I think he did watch we did

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watching airplanes.

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And then he did country covers
other than that, but he also

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brought half of his band.

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And then when he said his his
own drums his Leaguers, that's

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fine. I he'll know my stuff,
right?

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So we would be sometimes we
rehearse it the day of the show

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with the exit em. But this
particular time

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when we actually got to
rehearsal room,

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and went to the tunes that had
the guests come over and sit in

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and we were changing band
members changing guitar player

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and bass player.

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And I'd also started road
managing Kindle by that as well,

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by that time as well. For the
little extra cash. Oh, for sure.

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Oh, yeah. Yeah, gobble. I love
that. So you just got to make

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sure that everybody gets fed
gets to bed and it's paid. Yeah,

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pretty much make sure you put
everything you said everything

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about you know going into it
that way. The day runs smooth

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because you've already put it
all together it just has to be

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set in motion and do that but
I'm fires him. Right. And you

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you worked a great road managers
and you look to them why okay,

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they know what's going on, you
know, so you weren't

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but this particular one, I was
kind of calling the shots Okay,

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let's run this. Let's run this
blah, blah, blah, Kendall,

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whatever else you want to run,
and being steel and drums and

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steel guitar and drums and
having all the gear that we

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have. Mike and I were the last
ones out. And Daley turns to me

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and said hey, would you consider
playing drums with Hank? And how

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did another didn't know they
were even looking? I had no idea

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the other gig you've shared with
Keo right it's

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it's this town is it's gotten
more insular.

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Where the last actual cattle
call audition I remember even

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hearing of was Gretchen Wilson
when she blew up which was about

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2003 Right? But everybody either
head is now Hey, I know a guy

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let's take this guy out and see
if he works out see what kind of

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hang they are. Yeah, very much
relationship based. Not a lot

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auditions happening.

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For sure, you know, which is
fine. That's just the way it's

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work worked out. And yeah, it
gives us more power actually to

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create. Because if we are doing
the right things, checking all

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the boxes, we're a person of
integrity, we know how to play

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the drums. We just keep showing
up. Our group of friends that

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mix business and pleasure
continues to grow. And then

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people vouch for us. And we're
not having to deal with a

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management company.

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You know, putting their paws
into like, we got to hire

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musicians, right. But in 1997,
it was very much like, I call

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those management companies. Hey,
I'm rich. Redmond has moved

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here. Are you auditioning? I'll
keep your name nothing right

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now. But I'll hold on to your
number. Okay. Yeah, and even

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back then the reason you and I
got an audition for Gary is

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because of Jim rally. But yes,
they saw Jim play

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movies at wolfies. I think
wolfies. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, they

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saw him play and asked him, Hey,
would you consider playing with

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us? And he had just gotten the
mark chestnut gig. That's right.

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And then he recommended us. So
going back even that far, and

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you got the mark chestnut gig as
well. So there is a theme to

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this episode is already showing
its ugly head. It's all about

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relationships. Well, yeah, it is
for sure. Because then if you

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have bumps in the road, as long
as you as you said, keep showing

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up and doing a good job. It'll
smooth back out, you know, and

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everything will be fine. Yeah.
So Mike asked me if I'd consider

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joining Hank and, or, you know,
giving it a thought or giving it

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a shot and

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went home and talked with my
wife at the time and was we get

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we're like, ya know, you're
invested with Kindle, but it's

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hate fucking Williams Jr. That
you didn't.

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You didn't even see it coming.
And then over the next two or

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three weeks, we get to the
secret from Kindle. Just I

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didn't want him to know it. I
wanted I wanted to get it before

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I said anything to anybody. You
know, you don't want to, you

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don't want to start going, Hey,
I'm up for this, you know, and

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then it not pan out. Yeah, that
does. It rather, let's make sure

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it works before we say anything.
And by the time I got to play

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with Hank, the band and crew had
set it up so well. That if I

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didn't get it, I saw it.

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So what do you mean? Yeah, well,
I knew everybody in the band,

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except for Jimmy Hall.

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So when my daily went to them,
they're like, Oh, yeah. Lika do

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that. And, you know,

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I let other people say that
stuff. I'm uncomfortable saying

433
00:27:46,830 --> 00:27:49,830
that stuff because I have a
problem looking outside of the

434
00:27:49,830 --> 00:27:54,090
drum kit and playing. It's like,
oh, that sounds okay. Sounds

435
00:27:54,090 --> 00:27:54,510
great.

436
00:27:55,650 --> 00:27:59,520
But inside you're dissecting it
anyway. Oh, yeah. And over

437
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,020
analyzing the crap out of it.

438
00:28:03,630 --> 00:28:08,310
And then I had gotten to know
the crew over

439
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,630
they had me come out and watch
two shows with Keo playing.

440
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,420
And so the first show

441
00:28:17,100 --> 00:28:19,380
thing I watched on the side of
the stage and watched Hank,

442
00:28:20,340 --> 00:28:23,880
watch his mannerisms. And a big
thing with me with singer

443
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,930
songwriters, and whoever's
front, the band, especially if

444
00:28:27,930 --> 00:28:30,990
they're playing guitar is

445
00:28:32,100 --> 00:28:36,720
what foot did they tap with,
they tap with their heel, watch

446
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:41,160
their feet. Because that'll tell
you where it's going. Especially

447
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,670
somebody who's good at a
competent musician

448
00:28:45,810 --> 00:28:50,400
that plays either great rhythm
or pretty decent lead that that

449
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,890
foot is going to be in time it's
not going to be jumping all over

450
00:28:52,890 --> 00:28:57,390
the place. That is the first
time in 170 episodes that

451
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:03,150
watching and analyzing the it's
essentially the EAC to slack of

452
00:29:03,150 --> 00:29:06,720
a conductor of a symphony, the
baton, no one has mentioned

453
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:12,060
watching the foot. Exactly. And
you can watch

454
00:29:13,140 --> 00:29:18,240
like when Hank has kaleida and I
have to have his fiddle up

455
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,600
really loud to follow his tempo
changes.

456
00:29:22,650 --> 00:29:25,740
But there's a couple people in
the band that somehow they can

457
00:29:25,740 --> 00:29:27,420
watch his forearm and get it

458
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,020
you know, it's a little too
jerky from my point of view to

459
00:29:31,020 --> 00:29:35,310
do that but like Bart our guitar
player, he can watch his hand

460
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,160
and see where it's gonna go. Is
there a setlist?

461
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,630
A lot more than there used to
be. Every night is like going

462
00:29:45,630 --> 00:29:48,870
into battle. It is some sort of
a musical experience that will

463
00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:50,760
be completely different from the
previous night.

464
00:29:51,810 --> 00:29:55,620
A lot of the steps are the same.
It's kind of like being on a

465
00:29:55,620 --> 00:29:59,580
football team and hate calling
the plays which is really

466
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,230
weird analogy considering how
long he's done the Monday night

467
00:30:04,230 --> 00:30:08,070
football thing. But if he says a
certain thing we're gonna do

468
00:30:08,070 --> 00:30:13,620
this. If he says is we do have
the first seven or eight songs,

469
00:30:14,490 --> 00:30:15,810
there is no click.

470
00:30:16,890 --> 00:30:21,720
I count off four songs, the
whole gig. And then he's got the

471
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,350
wrist. Amazing. I like that
sometimes where it's like, hey,

472
00:30:25,380 --> 00:30:28,230
I really have no responsibility
for starting the tempos. I just

473
00:30:28,230 --> 00:30:33,420
have to fall in perfectly with
whoever this person starts.

474
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:34,410
Yeah.

475
00:30:36,150 --> 00:30:41,100
Well, that and also the fact
that the person starting it, if

476
00:30:41,100 --> 00:30:44,430
it's not us, it's usually the
person whose name is on the

477
00:30:44,430 --> 00:30:51,780
marquee. Yeah. And the fact that
they trust us enough with that

478
00:30:51,810 --> 00:30:55,890
foundation of the song, and to
hold it together, while they do

479
00:30:55,890 --> 00:31:00,810
all the other stuff on top of it
is pretty cool that they trust

480
00:31:00,810 --> 00:31:05,550
us enough to go. Alright. I
don't have to worry about that

481
00:31:05,550 --> 00:31:10,620
behind me because it's gonna be
there. Yeah. So. So what a fun

482
00:31:10,620 --> 00:31:15,270
experience. So you get that gig
in 2018. Then the entire world

483
00:31:15,270 --> 00:31:19,620
changes in March of 2020, is an
international global pandemic.

484
00:31:19,620 --> 00:31:22,380
And Fauci is is printing money.
And then what happens? Do you

485
00:31:22,380 --> 00:31:25,830
guys stop for a year? What do
you do? We stopped

486
00:31:26,940 --> 00:31:34,860
March 16th. I think I went and
did a fact I know I did. I went

487
00:31:34,860 --> 00:31:36,090
and did a

488
00:31:37,590 --> 00:31:40,140
video thing. And everybody was
starting to do that from their

489
00:31:40,140 --> 00:31:46,170
homes. Yeah. And I went and did
one with Vince Moreno and

490
00:31:46,170 --> 00:31:47,190
gagemaker.

491
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,290
I'm trying to remember I want to
say Shawn Bailey might have been

492
00:31:52,290 --> 00:31:54,990
on fiddle. We did it at Vince's
house. Yeah.

493
00:31:56,190 --> 00:31:56,910
And he had

494
00:31:58,590 --> 00:32:01,830
you know, his, his wife and a
friend of his wife was watching

495
00:32:02,580 --> 00:32:04,800
from the living room while we
were in the kitchen, where he

496
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,190
was shooting it for like the
long haul look, or whatever. So

497
00:32:08,190 --> 00:32:13,470
just playing go home and stuff
like that. And turns out like

498
00:32:13,470 --> 00:32:16,530
three days later, the friend
that was watching in the other

499
00:32:16,530 --> 00:32:19,860
room had COVID. And that was
early on.

500
00:32:21,510 --> 00:32:25,710
And then what a week later, Joe
Diffie passes away. Was that

501
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:31,110
right? That made it even more
real scary. Oh, gosh, hey, you

502
00:32:31,110 --> 00:32:36,030
need to gauge Baker is that the
gauge that's incredibly tall

503
00:32:36,030 --> 00:32:41,430
bass player that played on lower
Broadway. So when I played my

504
00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:45,660
days and my eight months that I
played lower Broadway in 1997

505
00:32:46,230 --> 00:32:50,490
played a lot with that cat, man.
He's fantastic. As he's still

506
00:32:50,490 --> 00:32:51,360
doing that down there.

507
00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:55,350
I don't know how much he's doing
down there. But he went on to

508
00:32:55,350 --> 00:33:00,150
play get some artists jobs.
Yeah. No, he didn't. I tried to

509
00:33:00,150 --> 00:33:03,540
pull him into the chest. That
gig at one point when when there

510
00:33:03,540 --> 00:33:05,970
was a talk about making a change
there. Yeah.

511
00:33:07,140 --> 00:33:11,010
And I think his thing I've came
to find that knowing him for for

512
00:33:11,010 --> 00:33:17,790
that many years, is, you know,
by even our height, and I mean,

513
00:33:17,790 --> 00:33:20,070
I'm six foot six foot one now.

514
00:33:22,020 --> 00:33:25,770
But we're still touching the top
and the bottom of the bunk and

515
00:33:25,770 --> 00:33:28,200
he can't fit in a bunk so he'd
have to sleep in the back of the

516
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,320
front. Right. So I don't know
about that. But even at six foot

517
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,950
eight, he feels like he'd be
crushed in there. Yeah. And he

518
00:33:34,980 --> 00:33:38,520
carved out him a nice little
cottage industry playing in town

519
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:42,300
and now he still goes out and
does like row dates with Vince

520
00:33:42,330 --> 00:33:45,420
Marino, you know, doing the
doing some of the honky tonk

521
00:33:45,420 --> 00:33:49,110
clubs across Texas and New
Mexico. I would like to see him

522
00:33:49,110 --> 00:33:54,150
again. And he was he was
literally in my paper Rolodex

523
00:33:54,150 --> 00:33:57,780
and I have not seen a lot of
technology has come and gone.

524
00:33:58,830 --> 00:34:03,990
flip phones, blackberries the
first hour on the iPhone 14 or

525
00:34:03,990 --> 00:34:06,690
whatever the 15 who whatever the
hell it is. Haven't seen him

526
00:34:06,690 --> 00:34:10,440
since. So if you see him, please
say hello for me. And I'd love

527
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,200
to just Yeah, I'd love to just
say hello, what's crazy? I'll

528
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,950
send you his number. I still
have it. Awesome. Yeah, he's

529
00:34:16,950 --> 00:34:21,300
great. We spent four years
together on Monday nights in the

530
00:34:21,300 --> 00:34:22,800
front room of tootsies

531
00:34:23,850 --> 00:34:30,120
with Ray St Germain Jr fronting
it gauge on base John Scott on

532
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,420
fiddle and keyboards and me on
drums that for you that you did

533
00:34:33,420 --> 00:34:35,910
the Tutsis front room it's like
how much for that drummer in the

534
00:34:35,910 --> 00:34:41,460
window. Now that's that's the
only room I haven't played down

535
00:34:41,460 --> 00:34:45,480
there. I've played the upstairs
Tutsis but never the front room.

536
00:34:46,470 --> 00:34:50,010
That the last time I played
tootsies was the front room. And

537
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,550
that's the last time I'll play
the front row but it's just so

538
00:34:53,550 --> 00:34:57,690
claustrophobic the early the
older you get at that place is

539
00:34:57,690 --> 00:34:59,970
just I don't know how they get
away with it, but it's

540
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,770
perpetually a fire hazard.

541
00:35:03,210 --> 00:35:06,150
They're in there, you know?
Yeah, whenever I played it I

542
00:35:06,150 --> 00:35:10,200
mean, I haven't played a regular
gig down there in years but I'll

543
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:14,010
still sub if somebody calls that
I know is I Oh, that'll be fun.

544
00:35:14,100 --> 00:35:17,280
Yeah, you know, and of course
you do make a lot more money

545
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,910
nowadays down there than we used
to. Hey you remember when we

546
00:35:20,910 --> 00:35:23,610
would party we it was free to
park in Nashville, you'd go do a

547
00:35:23,610 --> 00:35:26,100
shift on lower Broadway, you'd
bring all your stuff to your

548
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:31,320
load in you might leave with
like $8 Yep.

549
00:35:32,370 --> 00:35:39,210
Now you can now you can leave
with $408 Yeah, it's insane.

550
00:35:39,450 --> 00:35:44,910
Yeah, crazy that boom as become
senses become the it city. Yeah.

551
00:35:45,270 --> 00:35:48,390
But I was like playing the
Sandersons clubs a lot like the

552
00:35:48,390 --> 00:35:53,610
stage and legends second fiddle
and crossroads, which is now

553
00:35:53,670 --> 00:35:54,810
ain't juniors bar.

554
00:35:56,010 --> 00:35:56,550
Now

555
00:35:57,900 --> 00:36:00,690
they redesigned the entire
inside it looks nothing like

556
00:36:00,690 --> 00:36:04,020
Crossroads did so. Wow.
Incredible. So So you're working

557
00:36:04,020 --> 00:36:08,850
for this legend. So you guys
take 220 And maybe art at 21

558
00:36:08,850 --> 00:36:12,600
off? When do you go to we
started, we started back our

559
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:17,610
first games. We did two shows
that Billy Bob's in Texas on in

560
00:36:17,610 --> 00:36:19,500
April of 2021.

561
00:36:21,630 --> 00:36:24,480
Everybody had to get vaccinated,
which was fine with me. Yeah.

562
00:36:25,950 --> 00:36:29,820
It was just part of not only
Hank but also vector management.

563
00:36:29,910 --> 00:36:34,440
You know, that's which, I'm
sorry. Yeah, vector management

564
00:36:34,530 --> 00:36:38,850
can levitate and that whole
bunch which has a huge, you

565
00:36:38,850 --> 00:36:45,000
know, bunch of artists to watch
out for and so we, you know, and

566
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:51,330
hates only usually does about 20
to 25 shows a year. It's what we

567
00:36:51,330 --> 00:36:54,810
all call it's the best part time
job ever. You can go do whatever

568
00:36:54,810 --> 00:36:58,590
else. So not to be nosy big, but
people we talked about a lot on

569
00:36:58,590 --> 00:36:58,980
the show.

570
00:37:00,570 --> 00:37:03,030
You get a check all year or you
just paid handsomely for those

571
00:37:03,030 --> 00:37:08,010
25 shows handsomely for the 25
shows like it's you. It's gonna

572
00:37:08,580 --> 00:37:12,090
be great because then you don't
feel like you're so locked in.

573
00:37:13,110 --> 00:37:16,980
There's a lot of freelance and
going on, which is great. Now,

574
00:37:16,980 --> 00:37:19,770
there's no and there's been a
couple of times where like I

575
00:37:19,770 --> 00:37:26,040
haven't subbed out. But what
Jimmy Hall being there for 37

576
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,580
years and him being Jimmy Hall,
you know, Willie, and all that

577
00:37:29,580 --> 00:37:34,980
stuff. Jimmy has carte blanche
to go. If he has something he

578
00:37:34,980 --> 00:37:38,010
has to go do like when I joined
he was still touring with Jeff

579
00:37:38,010 --> 00:37:42,840
Beck. So he Yeah, so Yeah, he'd
have to deal with either me or

580
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:47,760
Vinnie Colaiuta amazing, bro.
See you're in the mix in a major

581
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,000
way. Well, the funniest thing he
ever said to me and I posted it

582
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,180
on the national drummers thing
once was, he walks up to me he

583
00:37:54,180 --> 00:37:57,270
goes, Man, Lee, you and Vinnie
have something in common. I went

584
00:37:57,270 --> 00:38:00,300
really Jimmy was said he goes
y'all both trestle like

585
00:38:01,830 --> 00:38:07,500
that. He's, he's a great, he's a
God loves you. And he's just

586
00:38:08,370 --> 00:38:14,790
what it was. He was actually the
first band and act. I saw the

587
00:38:14,790 --> 00:38:17,640
day that I moved to Nashville.
Was that with Tommy wells, the

588
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:21,600
prisoners? It sure was and I met
Tommy that night. I rested. So

589
00:38:22,050 --> 00:38:27,030
Oh, and stole the idea. You
remember how all the metronomes

590
00:38:27,030 --> 00:38:32,760
had the mount for the civil
stand then? Yeah. But yeah. And

591
00:38:33,150 --> 00:38:36,930
they'd break. Oh, yeah. Because
you hit on it. So the plastic

592
00:38:36,930 --> 00:38:38,250
would snap. Yeah.

593
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,550
I'm watching the presence of
Love.

594
00:38:42,630 --> 00:38:46,950
And I'm watching Tommy's got his
on a board. Yeah, but had you

595
00:38:47,070 --> 00:38:50,070
walked into even met him? I knew
him from modern stadium monitor

596
00:38:50,070 --> 00:38:53,580
drummer and say, Well, hey, man,
I just moved here. How you

597
00:38:53,580 --> 00:38:58,080
doing, man? Yeah. And I stole
that idea from him. I was like,

598
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,800
I'm totally stealing velcroing
the metronome do the thing I

599
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,680
still do to this day. If I had
the belt the velcro and I'm on a

600
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:08,370
wood plank is is a fantastic
thing. And I will say this about

601
00:39:08,370 --> 00:39:11,550
Tommy. He was also another
incredible encourager, and I'm

602
00:39:11,550 --> 00:39:14,610
so happy that you that was one
of the first people you met as

603
00:39:14,610 --> 00:39:20,040
well. I ended up in 98 Taking a
like six week country. Sorry

604
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:25,470
studio drumming class with Tommy
theory crew. Oh, wow. And so

605
00:39:25,470 --> 00:39:30,420
they would talk about setting up
clicks on the SR 16 They would

606
00:39:30,420 --> 00:39:32,880
talk about mounting your
metronome reading the number

607
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:38,190
system tuning house kids playing
styles, it was cool man.

608
00:39:39,240 --> 00:39:43,260
Yeah, if you got to learn go to
go to the right place like go to

609
00:39:43,260 --> 00:39:46,710
source Yeah. Yeah, like when I
had to learn when I got into

610
00:39:46,710 --> 00:39:51,120
country like we all did in the
mid 90s or early 90s What drums

611
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,870
became more prevalent, you know,
with bands like you know, Black

612
00:39:54,870 --> 00:39:59,850
Hawk and little Texas and mark
the mark chestnuts and the Tracy

613
00:39:59,850 --> 00:40:00,000
bar

614
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:00,750
Words

615
00:40:03,270 --> 00:40:05,520
are getting louder and louder
and there was a picker of snare

616
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,920
drum in the mix. Thanks, Lonnie.
Thanks, Eddie.

617
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,480
Thanks, Brian Brown. Thanks,
Paul. I'm

618
00:40:13,559 --> 00:40:16,199
Yeah, you got everyone had a
piccolo, do you have a piccolo?

619
00:40:16,619 --> 00:40:21,599
Piccolo in this room right now?
I do now because Mark Neymar

620
00:40:22,409 --> 00:40:26,579
funny enough. Last year, slim
Yamaguchi from the mark chestnut

621
00:40:26,579 --> 00:40:30,989
band called and asked me this,
they were changing drummers.

622
00:40:31,049 --> 00:40:36,869
Darla was going to come off the
road. And as he said he has some

623
00:40:36,869 --> 00:40:40,319
guys you can suggest. Mark was
one of the guys that suggested

624
00:40:40,649 --> 00:40:45,989
Mark got the gig. And as a thank
you Mark gifted me a three by 14

625
00:40:45,989 --> 00:40:49,799
Piccolo. Look, I have in the
other room. You know, I'm gonna

626
00:40:49,799 --> 00:40:53,069
get one I'm not gonna beg DW for
one just to have one one of the

627
00:40:53,069 --> 00:40:55,349
probably one of the carbon ones
that got the carbon fiber

628
00:40:55,349 --> 00:41:00,989
piccolos. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I
mean, the snap has to come back

629
00:41:00,989 --> 00:41:04,199
the kit. The snares can't be
Tubby the whole time. And we've

630
00:41:04,199 --> 00:41:07,199
been wearing the tub factor out
for about a decade now. I'm

631
00:41:07,199 --> 00:41:08,099
telling you, man.

632
00:41:11,580 --> 00:41:14,520
I'd rather have a little more
wide open and honking. Yeah,

633
00:41:14,790 --> 00:41:17,490
yeah, I heard somewhere that you
know, if you if if at all

634
00:41:17,490 --> 00:41:20,370
possible live, you'd like to
tune your drums completely wide

635
00:41:20,370 --> 00:41:23,160
open with as little muffling as
possible. And let the front

636
00:41:23,430 --> 00:41:27,600
house engineer have a complete
Mona Lisa to work with

637
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:31,560
creatively, you know,
absolutely. Yeah, a little bit

638
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:35,220
of muffling in the kick drum.
Maybe a piece of duct tape on

639
00:41:35,220 --> 00:41:40,710
the snare, maybe small jail. But
I'll work with Billy. And he'll

640
00:41:40,710 --> 00:41:44,880
tell me since I used to 16 inch
floors, one on each side. I

641
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,060
turned one of them higher than
the other one. If it gets a

642
00:41:48,060 --> 00:41:50,820
little close rocket hear that in
the in ears. You know how

643
00:41:50,820 --> 00:41:55,140
that'll give you a false sense
of, of tuning. You know, he'll

644
00:41:55,140 --> 00:41:58,410
tell me and then I'll pull the
ears out and fix it. Yeah, but

645
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,980
I'll work with him well enough
that I don't have to deaden

646
00:42:01,980 --> 00:42:06,270
anything else. All the times are
wide open. Yeah. I love that

647
00:42:06,270 --> 00:42:09,870
did. I was on a session exactly
one year ago, and I brought in

648
00:42:09,870 --> 00:42:15,870
my wide open DW drums. 2413 1618
and I had they were wide open

649
00:42:15,870 --> 00:42:17,370
and the engineer goes I love how

650
00:42:18,390 --> 00:42:21,510
you know how brave you are.
These are so wide open. Man. i

651
00:42:21,510 --> 00:42:24,480
You want to try to go for that
today. I was like, Yeah, sure.

652
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,820
Let's go for the wide open
drums. Isn't that what we want?

653
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,520
And it turns out as soon as the
client showed up, and as soon as

654
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,530
we started going through running
through the song, he's like,

655
00:42:31,530 --> 00:42:34,290
man, we got to break up the tea
towels. Man, you know, so sorry.

656
00:42:35,310 --> 00:42:37,950
But that's another current
trend, right? You got to have

657
00:42:37,950 --> 00:42:40,650
the tea towels and you get the
you get the little clips on the

658
00:42:40,650 --> 00:42:44,580
edge and you get to move them as
far far in or just on the edge.

659
00:42:45,450 --> 00:42:50,670
It's crazy. So like the whole
bad data covers the whole head.

660
00:42:50,700 --> 00:42:55,800
Yeah, get her with her call. But
she queues that's it? Yeah. You

661
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,050
gotta have them because the
routine queues and the big fat

662
00:42:58,050 --> 00:43:01,590
snare drums and the drum dots
and the drum tacks and the moon

663
00:43:01,590 --> 00:43:05,340
gels, the Evans rings and all of
it. They've all got a different

664
00:43:05,340 --> 00:43:05,730
vibe.

665
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,830
You just don't need the Dead
Ringers. Remember those? glue

666
00:43:10,830 --> 00:43:15,690
into the heads? Yeah. I remember
seeing seeing Merle Haggard and

667
00:43:15,690 --> 00:43:19,440
Biff had glued dead riggers into
his drums. Oh, yeah, I want

668
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,420
drums but I don't really want to
hear him that well.

669
00:43:22,890 --> 00:43:26,970
So what do you think are the
skill sets that got you the job

670
00:43:26,970 --> 00:43:29,850
with Hank? And are as are
keeping you there?

671
00:43:31,020 --> 00:43:31,470
Oh,

672
00:43:32,670 --> 00:43:35,250
because it's a unique gig.
Right? I mean, yeah, it's a you

673
00:43:35,250 --> 00:43:38,460
very unique gig. He's an icon.
And

674
00:43:41,670 --> 00:43:45,120
I don't want to say potentially
there's a reputation where he

675
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,220
may not be easy to work with. I
mean, I worked with Hank

676
00:43:47,220 --> 00:43:51,300
Williams the third and he was
not easy to work with now we

677
00:43:51,300 --> 00:43:54,720
shared that gig meet you and Jim
earlier I believe there's you do

678
00:43:54,720 --> 00:44:00,000
it when he was still doing his
granddad's 99 Okay, so he was

679
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,640
still doing the old country
stuff. Yep. And he did not want

680
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:06,600
to rehearse. He wanted to sound
very loose. I was like, I

681
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,700
couldn't wrap my head around it.
I was like, wait a minute, you

682
00:44:08,700 --> 00:44:11,910
don't want to sound good. He
does not want to sound good, but

683
00:44:11,910 --> 00:44:12,570
not tight.

684
00:44:14,250 --> 00:44:18,570
Just jump in when I start that
kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah. Which

685
00:44:18,570 --> 00:44:22,200
is fine. Because, you know, pick
one of three or four groups.

686
00:44:22,260 --> 00:44:26,460
They're just gonna change tempo.
And oh, so who did you play

687
00:44:26,460 --> 00:44:29,910
with? I mean, Jason Brown was on
base back then. Yeah, for sure.

688
00:44:29,940 --> 00:44:35,430
Yeah. Who was a guitar player
from like the Jesus Lizard? Oh,

689
00:44:35,430 --> 00:44:39,090
wow. I remember that. That kind
of like iconic rock band, like

690
00:44:39,090 --> 00:44:40,200
very odd around.

691
00:44:41,370 --> 00:44:44,100
I don't remember the cat's name
but have you I'm sure everybody

692
00:44:44,100 --> 00:44:46,560
can get into the wiki. There was
a band called The Jesus Lizard.

693
00:44:47,460 --> 00:44:51,510
Yeah, absolutely. Well, when I
went and subbed for Jim on that

694
00:44:51,510 --> 00:44:57,450
gig, it was just for a weekend
in Colorado somewhere. We played

695
00:44:57,450 --> 00:45:00,000
above the, you know, above the
slot machine.

696
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,340
scenes on the gaming floor
mazing

697
00:45:03,990 --> 00:45:06,750
first time I got on the bus and
Shelton walked out I did a

698
00:45:06,750 --> 00:45:10,410
double take because he looks so
much like his granddad. Sure. It

699
00:45:10,410 --> 00:45:15,690
was just like holy crap, like
see a ghost really. But on that

700
00:45:15,690 --> 00:45:20,700
particular run, I had read a
book card on guitar. Jason Brown

701
00:45:20,700 --> 00:45:25,110
on doghouse Vernon Derek on
fiddle, who was also part of the

702
00:45:25,110 --> 00:45:28,950
Bama band at one point. And Jim
Murphy on steel who had played

703
00:45:28,950 --> 00:45:32,670
with Johnny paycheck for years.
So all I had to do was sit back

704
00:45:32,670 --> 00:45:35,670
here and keep time and listen to
these guys just quote great

705
00:45:35,670 --> 00:45:36,540
country music.

706
00:45:38,010 --> 00:45:41,040
And then go eat with them and
sit there and not let say a

707
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,160
word. I just listened to them
tell stories the whole time.

708
00:45:44,310 --> 00:45:49,320
Amazing. Yeah, it was great. So
but shelf was very honest. He's

709
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,990
like, I'm doing this for
palimony. I'd rather be playing

710
00:45:52,020 --> 00:45:54,900
this and he played me the you
know, the heavier stuff that he

711
00:45:54,900 --> 00:45:59,460
liked. And so, but yeah, fun
stuff. You know, it's crazy.

712
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:05,070
Yeah, like he had he had
recently done an interview with

713
00:46:05,070 --> 00:46:06,630
Rolling Stone back then.

714
00:46:08,190 --> 00:46:10,920
And when it when the art when
the interview came out, like

715
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,320
three or four weeks later, after
I'd played with him, it was

716
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,830
essentially everything he told
me. Because it was so fresh in

717
00:46:16,830 --> 00:46:19,740
his mind. He was still talking
about what they had talked

718
00:46:19,740 --> 00:46:24,120
about. So he couldn't make any
money with the heavier stuff

719
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:28,950
like the ash Jack stuff. Or what
was the band he had with PhilaU

720
00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:33,960
samo from Panthera. I don't
remember that heavy shit. Yeah.

721
00:46:33,990 --> 00:46:36,420
So he couldn't make any money
doing that it was so

722
00:46:36,420 --> 00:46:39,570
underground. So he but he could
go out and sing his granddad

723
00:46:39,570 --> 00:46:43,110
stuff and make a lot of money.
Yeah. And then pay for other

724
00:46:43,110 --> 00:46:48,120
stuff. Yeah, ya be sitting at
home, being competitive at video

725
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:53,130
games for money back then, which
was crazy. Yeah, but this the

726
00:46:53,130 --> 00:46:55,890
skill set to play with Hank is
like, just listen,

727
00:46:57,030 --> 00:47:01,590
know, the stuff now will kind of
play most of the same songs

728
00:47:01,590 --> 00:47:02,220
every night.

729
00:47:03,780 --> 00:47:06,930
You know, and they're usually in
the same spot at this point. You

730
00:47:06,930 --> 00:47:12,660
know, it's not as crazy as it
was, you know, in years past.

731
00:47:14,340 --> 00:47:17,670
There is 10 or 11 songs he might
do.

732
00:47:18,810 --> 00:47:21,900
And he's in six years, whether
he's pulled three of them out.

733
00:47:22,260 --> 00:47:26,700
So anyway, I've got those on a
chart, but they all kind of

734
00:47:26,700 --> 00:47:30,390
start, you know, just grab hold.
They'll avail themselves real

735
00:47:30,390 --> 00:47:36,150
quickly. As long as you jump in
before he's were full on. He's

736
00:47:36,150 --> 00:47:39,300
not going to care. It's gonna be
fine. You know, we're all gonna

737
00:47:39,300 --> 00:47:45,450
be there. And then, but and then
it's just making sure you're

738
00:47:45,450 --> 00:47:49,020
there on time when you're
supposed to be there being a bus

739
00:47:49,020 --> 00:47:53,700
call on time being at the
airport on time. Yeah. We had a

740
00:47:53,700 --> 00:47:57,840
few instances instances last
year with a crew guy that you

741
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:01,200
know was missing flights or bus
call or whatever, you never want

742
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,590
to be late. Never want to be
late because he traveled with

743
00:48:04,590 --> 00:48:08,340
you guys or is he separate from
the organization kind of guy. He

744
00:48:08,340 --> 00:48:10,710
is a separate from the
organization kind of guy he

745
00:48:10,770 --> 00:48:16,680
actually flies in an hour before
the show. Wow. Yep. And kind of

746
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:20,580
takes over the band bus. You
know, we kind of take our

747
00:48:20,580 --> 00:48:23,070
clothes and stuff into the
dressing rooms anyway.

748
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:29,340
And watch you know, whoever else
is on the, on the bill with us,

749
00:48:29,370 --> 00:48:31,680
you know, hanging out with those
guys or whatever catering and

750
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,620
all that stuff. You know, I'll
see Hank, if I have to go get a

751
00:48:34,620 --> 00:48:38,070
shirt off the bus. It's just you
know, stays a few pleasantries

752
00:48:38,070 --> 00:48:39,990
with him or some Hey guys, how
you doing? You know that kind of

753
00:48:39,990 --> 00:48:40,320
thing.

754
00:48:41,820 --> 00:48:46,470
And but most times, I'll see him
first time I'll see him for the

755
00:48:46,470 --> 00:48:50,700
night is when he walks out or
when he walks out and Billy the

756
00:48:50,700 --> 00:48:54,810
front of house guy tells me to
go we're behind a curtain. I

757
00:48:54,810 --> 00:48:56,640
don't know if we will be this
year.

758
00:48:58,650 --> 00:49:02,190
But we're usually behind a
curtain when we start. And then

759
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:09,420
we inch they intro him inside
and we go yeah, and man I'm so

760
00:49:09,420 --> 00:49:13,620
excited this year. We are on two
shows together. I'm very very

761
00:49:13,620 --> 00:49:16,740
excited. Is this the Kid Rock
stuff in the small towns the

762
00:49:16,740 --> 00:49:19,170
seven shows that we're doing in
the world two of those with

763
00:49:19,170 --> 00:49:22,470
y'all wit and is are you on are
night or kids night.

764
00:49:24,300 --> 00:49:27,600
Oh, we're gonna do the same.
What's crazy? We'll never see

765
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:31,560
Kid Rock. He's always on the
other night. Oh, I thought you

766
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,590
guys were together. That would
be one word. I'd love to see

767
00:49:34,590 --> 00:49:37,020
that. But apparently it's like
we're on one night with a bunch

768
00:49:37,020 --> 00:49:40,800
of support a rotating door of
support like 30 different bands

769
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,440
that are going to be the support
over the seven shows. So what

770
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:47,610
I'm hoping is that you guys are
on one of our one of them. I

771
00:49:47,610 --> 00:49:50,160
didn't know that. That's how it
was working. I thought it was

772
00:49:50,310 --> 00:49:54,090
you guys were co headlining it.
And then the rotating acts were

773
00:49:54,090 --> 00:49:56,610
like us and everybody I'd love
to see you play the gig. I

774
00:49:56,610 --> 00:49:59,970
really really would man it'd be
so Oh, and I haven't. I haven't

775
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:06,420
Seeing you play Jason's gigs
since Nora, Roswell, New Mexico,

776
00:50:06,750 --> 00:50:12,240
which was about 2007 or 2006 or
seven. Hit town was new.

777
00:50:13,590 --> 00:50:16,740
That would have been that was.
Yeah, that was it hit town was

778
00:50:16,740 --> 00:50:20,550
the single. That's crazy. So
I've been doing it non stop

779
00:50:20,550 --> 00:50:25,320
touring since 2004. So we're 20
years of non stop touring. That

780
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,890
would have been the first year
and a half. Yep. Who really wish

781
00:50:28,890 --> 00:50:35,250
there were more just wow. A lot
has changed buddy we we've gone

782
00:50:35,250 --> 00:50:38,640
through so many in our
incarnations of the band. So at

783
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:43,650
that time, we were a ragtag
group of like space pirates that

784
00:50:43,650 --> 00:50:45,900
would be hanging out in moss
Isley, you know, and then we

785
00:50:45,900 --> 00:50:48,840
became, we became like a
motorcycle gang after that. And

786
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,330
then we started, you know,
paying attention to like, Hey,

787
00:50:51,330 --> 00:50:53,910
wait, maybe we're gonna do
skinny ties for two years. We'll

788
00:50:53,910 --> 00:50:57,060
be like the neck and then we'll
do the then we'll do the all

789
00:50:57,060 --> 00:50:59,820
black with the sports coat and
the rock T kind of thing. And

790
00:50:59,820 --> 00:51:04,200
now we're that we're it is
evolved man. Gonna like when the

791
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:07,530
Foo Fighters did the whole craft
work, look? Yes, the red, the

792
00:51:07,530 --> 00:51:11,280
black and the red and the black.
Yeah, man. Well, I know why you

793
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:14,070
got to gig. That's incredible.
But you mentioned to two, I know

794
00:51:14,070 --> 00:51:16,290
why you got the gig and while
you're holding on to the gig,

795
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:21,690
but you mentioned two things,
listening and watching the tow.

796
00:51:21,930 --> 00:51:22,890
That's great.

797
00:51:24,330 --> 00:51:26,190
That's amazing. And that's
probably something you've

798
00:51:26,190 --> 00:51:28,500
carried through. Now I've heard
in another interview. It's also

799
00:51:28,500 --> 00:51:32,880
a similar technique you've used
with Chris Knight. Now. Now

800
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:39,060
Chris Knight's music is bright
and true, like dirty. Americana

801
00:51:39,060 --> 00:51:41,550
music, you know? And

802
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:46,230
and it's the same thing. You got
to watch his hands. You got to

803
00:51:46,230 --> 00:51:47,040
watch his feet.

804
00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:53,250
Yeah, but like everybody else
you watch it lands all lands on

805
00:51:53,250 --> 00:51:57,390
the same plane. And you're
right. He's planning. He's Yeah,

806
00:51:57,390 --> 00:52:02,310
he's somewhere in between there
and it moves. So I spent about

807
00:52:02,310 --> 00:52:06,960
eight months on that gig. And
just it, I was afraid it was

808
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:08,520
going to start to affect my
playing.

809
00:52:09,810 --> 00:52:13,710
Like, in a bad way. And you
start second guessing yourself.

810
00:52:15,090 --> 00:52:16,350
Playing with people who

811
00:52:18,060 --> 00:52:20,220
aren't second guessing
themselves, but maybe they

812
00:52:20,220 --> 00:52:20,970
should be.

813
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:25,650
So I don't know. But it was a
good experience. I love I still

814
00:52:25,650 --> 00:52:28,200
love Christmas music. He had
written a couple of things for

815
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:32,640
Gary, that we played in Gary's
band, so that was cool. And I

816
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:36,600
mean, he's still out there doing
it. Doing the thing gosh, oh,

817
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,420
yeah. He's not I think shaky
folks is that they're playing

818
00:52:39,420 --> 00:52:41,880
with him. Shaky folks, but

819
00:52:42,990 --> 00:52:49,140
but also, but also through that
through the the Chris night gig

820
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,650
is originally how the Kindle
Marvel gig came up because the

821
00:52:52,650 --> 00:52:57,390
guitar player was the same.
Yeah. Mike macadam, who was part

822
00:52:57,390 --> 00:53:01,710
of Steve Earl's original, you
know the the exit Oban way, way

823
00:53:01,710 --> 00:53:06,750
back then. So once again, about
relationships and who's gonna

824
00:53:06,750 --> 00:53:10,290
trust you? They got to know you.
They gotta like, yeah. And they

825
00:53:10,290 --> 00:53:13,350
got to trust you. And you just
got to rinse and repeat. And

826
00:53:13,350 --> 00:53:15,840
hope for repeat business in this
town. You know, and I've been

827
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:19,050
here 25 years. That's incredible
to hear. Like if I'm looking at

828
00:53:19,050 --> 00:53:22,980
some of these other names, Gary
Allen gets you going. And then

829
00:53:22,980 --> 00:53:24,810
somewhere along the line. I
mean, we're talking about all

830
00:53:24,810 --> 00:53:27,600
these shared gigs me you Jim
Riley all do and Hank, the

831
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:31,800
third. Jim passes, or puts in a
good word or something you do

832
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,620
that you're doing the mark
chestnut thing. And then along

833
00:53:34,620 --> 00:53:37,560
the way, some of these are
subbing things. I don't know

834
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:40,200
Shannon Lawson. Trent Tomlinson,
I was looking at some video of

835
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:43,320
that Shannon Lawson. My claim to
fame. I went to go see the Lord

836
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,020
of the Rings with the guy in
1999. We sat next to each other.

837
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,790
He was a great singer. It didn't
pop for him. You know, it

838
00:53:50,790 --> 00:53:54,690
doesn't. Kelly Pickler. So,
Heidi Newfields so you got male

839
00:53:54,690 --> 00:53:57,720
artists, you got female artists,
you got bands, the work you did

840
00:53:57,720 --> 00:54:01,110
with subbing for Matt for net,
there's videos floating around

841
00:54:01,110 --> 00:54:04,110
of the Loverboy drum cam. I
think you're playing you might

842
00:54:04,110 --> 00:54:07,890
be playing his kid three up to
down. immaculate, immaculate

843
00:54:07,890 --> 00:54:13,050
work, man. So a lot of stories,
a lot of cross pollination, a

844
00:54:13,050 --> 00:54:17,070
lot of tentacles. How did the
subbing for Matt fernet come

845
00:54:17,070 --> 00:54:17,370
about?

846
00:54:18,390 --> 00:54:21,120
Well, I've known Mike arena for
a long time.

847
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:27,180
I mentioned Ray St. Germain Jr.
earlier. Well, Ray comes from a

848
00:54:27,510 --> 00:54:28,890
Canadian family.

849
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:34,740
Both the St. Germain and his dad
is a like a venturi icon up

850
00:54:34,740 --> 00:54:38,580
there, like had his own TV show
in the 60s. Kind of like Porter

851
00:54:38,580 --> 00:54:42,990
Wagner did. And Ray lived in our
lives down here. He doesn't play

852
00:54:42,990 --> 00:54:46,530
music anymore. Or doesn't play
out live. Well actually. He does

853
00:54:46,530 --> 00:54:49,830
play out live. He had a brother
friend of ours still does a duo.

854
00:54:50,730 --> 00:54:53,340
But we did those four years at
tootsies, well,

855
00:54:54,450 --> 00:54:58,050
about 2002 Or three. He goes,
Hey, I want to get a band

856
00:54:58,050 --> 00:55:00,000
together to back my brother in
law and I said really?

857
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,070
Who's your brother in law? He
goes migraine. Oh, and I went

858
00:55:02,130 --> 00:55:02,700
really?

859
00:55:04,110 --> 00:55:07,230
So we ended up doing a private
gig with my engaged Baker played

860
00:55:07,230 --> 00:55:11,100
by San Diego Cooper played kit.
Bo Cooper played keys.

861
00:55:12,269 --> 00:55:17,429
Bo Cooper, and then my God.
Yeah. And out of that Beau ended

862
00:55:17,429 --> 00:55:21,029
up subbing for Doug Johnson with
Loverboy for a while at one

863
00:55:21,029 --> 00:55:25,859
point. So well, then, fast
forward about 10 years later,

864
00:55:25,949 --> 00:55:33,089
and unrelated. Jim Magothy that
used to work at Zildjian got in

865
00:55:33,089 --> 00:55:36,119
touch with me and said, Hey,
I've got a friend of mine, a

866
00:55:36,119 --> 00:55:39,179
drummer friend of mine who's
thinking about moving his family

867
00:55:39,179 --> 00:55:43,169
to Nashville, because their kids
are in ballet ones in Florida

868
00:55:43,169 --> 00:55:46,499
ones in New York at the Met us
okay, who's that he was mad for

869
00:55:46,499 --> 00:55:48,659
net? I'm like, from Loverboy.
Yeah.

870
00:55:49,860 --> 00:55:53,460
Matt and I became fast friends.
Yeah. And

871
00:55:54,720 --> 00:55:58,200
for about a year, we talk every
so often about five or six years

872
00:55:58,200 --> 00:55:58,920
and still do.

873
00:56:00,990 --> 00:56:05,100
And he took some time off for
about a month. And there was

874
00:56:05,100 --> 00:56:06,330
five gigs booked.

875
00:56:07,650 --> 00:56:10,590
And he said, go sit in a spot

876
00:56:11,670 --> 00:56:14,070
that did the work and no
rehearsal except for a

877
00:56:14,070 --> 00:56:19,170
soundcheck and shorts and went
and sat in the spot and

878
00:56:20,250 --> 00:56:23,250
had a had a ball. I'd already
known Mike.

879
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:31,080
And I had drum tech for Matt a
time or two, when his guy

880
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:34,020
couldn't make it. Yeah, he's
like, Hey, will you come fly out

881
00:56:34,020 --> 00:56:37,230
and take care of me? For sure,
man, no problem. You know, nice.

882
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:41,790
I mean, I grew up growing up as
a teenager, I also hung out with

883
00:56:41,790 --> 00:56:46,920
crew guys and helped set up
stages and swap that band Sugar

884
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:50,520
Creek I like, I remember one
time honeymoon suite came in

885
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:55,410
from Canada when they were I got
a new girl now. Yep. And the hit

886
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:59,850
they had when they came through
was feeling again. And so I'd go

887
00:56:59,850 --> 00:57:02,670
with Sugar Creek, who were the
regional guys and you know,

888
00:57:02,670 --> 00:57:06,720
they'd open up for him and swap
and say that. So I have no

889
00:57:06,720 --> 00:57:09,840
problem. wrap my hands around
gear and stuff like that. You're

890
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,060
a smart man. You know, you're a
smart man. And then the fact

891
00:57:12,060 --> 00:57:14,340
that you wouldn't be like too
precious to be like, No, I'm a

892
00:57:14,340 --> 00:57:16,830
drummer, not a drum tech, of
course. Of course, man. Go out

893
00:57:16,830 --> 00:57:19,590
there and set it up, shine it
up, make sure everything's fine

894
00:57:19,590 --> 00:57:22,620
tune. You know, give the guy a
bottle of water and a towel

895
00:57:22,620 --> 00:57:25,560
touching you travel, get to hang
out with your buddies. You make

896
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:28,920
some cash. And then you start
start this relationship and you

897
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:30,540
got to go grass, grass, grass.

898
00:57:32,730 --> 00:57:37,410
Grass, grass grass. Yeah. Yeah.
So it was it was a lot of fun

899
00:57:37,410 --> 00:57:41,610
because they were the first
video I ever saw on MTV letters.

900
00:57:42,090 --> 00:57:46,710
Yeah, very surreal. And, but
they they're great

901
00:57:47,730 --> 00:57:51,420
to hear and it's still four of
the five original members. Now

902
00:57:51,420 --> 00:57:55,260
that's very rare in a legacy
rock band. And the whole reason

903
00:57:55,260 --> 00:57:58,950
it's not five is because Scott
Smith passed away. Well, this is

904
00:57:59,010 --> 00:58:01,500
seems to be the theme of the
show today. Death.

905
00:58:06,150 --> 00:58:08,280
There we're gonna search about
AI like you talked about,

906
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:10,830
there'll be depth to music. This
is why everyone's like, well, we

907
00:58:10,830 --> 00:58:13,200
don't listen to Redmond's
podcast because he just gets

908
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:18,300
just old people on the talk
about death. Sorry, guys. No,

909
00:58:18,330 --> 00:58:21,510
this is just this is just what
happens. We're here to help. We

910
00:58:21,510 --> 00:58:25,950
can't help the world. I'm 56
year old today. So today's your

911
00:58:25,950 --> 00:58:29,730
birthday. Yep. You're still
doing this interview? Man. I

912
00:58:29,730 --> 00:58:33,390
would be somewhere with my face
and a bigger sugar pie cake.

913
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:38,760
No, I got my coffee right here.
Me too, dude. Like Happy

914
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:42,300
Birthday, brother. 50. That's
awesome. So you could be getting

915
00:58:42,300 --> 00:58:47,940
your AARP literature to the
house. It is it was doing a

916
00:58:47,940 --> 00:58:53,430
casino gig with little Texas a
year or two ago. Yeah. And we

917
00:58:53,430 --> 00:58:56,400
had some time. You know, we did
it for two days, or we had some

918
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:59,520
time. And so I went to the movie
theater in the casino. They

919
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:02,340
said, Would you like a singer
discount?

920
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:04,050
Like,

921
00:59:05,070 --> 00:59:07,710
I was like, wait a minute, how?
How do you have to be with the

922
00:59:07,710 --> 00:59:11,820
senior discount? They said 55.
And I was like, Okay, I'll take

923
00:59:11,820 --> 00:59:15,990
it. So how deep was it wasn't
very deep of a discount, was it?

924
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:19,170
Oh, it was only a couple bucks.
But I was like, Okay, sure. I'll

925
00:59:19,170 --> 00:59:23,460
just keep forgetting to ask now.
That's incredible. Oh my god do

926
00:59:23,460 --> 00:59:26,400
that is nuts. Okay, so you're
subbing so you're subbing for

927
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:31,590
del gray as well. I did for I
did for two and a half or three

928
00:59:31,590 --> 00:59:36,180
years almost. Dale was diagnosed
he had cancer. I did not know

929
00:59:36,180 --> 00:59:40,500
that. Wow. Yeah. He kept it
pretty quiet. They said health

930
00:59:40,500 --> 00:59:44,670
is going okay. He's doing great.
In fact, I was texting with him

931
00:59:44,700 --> 00:59:49,230
yesterday and today, talking to
Dwayne and procfs a couple of

932
00:59:49,230 --> 00:59:51,240
days ago, but he's, yeah.

933
00:59:52,620 --> 00:59:56,970
He's doing great. He's beat it.
It looks like he started coming

934
00:59:56,970 --> 00:59:59,970
back out riding the bus. A
couple of

935
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:00,990
Hobbs Wow played

936
01:00:02,220 --> 01:00:05,280
and then he took back over in
December. They did a couple of

937
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:06,150
rehearsals and

938
01:00:07,230 --> 01:00:11,130
he's all good. He's back at it.
Yeah, man. You got to play that

939
01:00:11,130 --> 01:00:13,620
God bless Texas just like me
because I was in that band Rush

940
01:00:13,620 --> 01:00:17,370
slow. So we had a little Yeah,
we had a little Texas medley in

941
01:00:17,370 --> 01:00:21,360
there. We had to do you know,
I'm sure great songs back. Yeah.

942
01:00:21,750 --> 01:00:24,660
Great songs stand the test of
time.

943
01:00:25,710 --> 01:00:30,480
And we did a show with the
frontman. Oh, with Hank. The

944
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:36,060
frontman open. So it was Larry
and Oh, Richie. And, and Tim was

945
01:00:36,060 --> 01:00:40,140
pat my back. Matt Cross playing
drums. No, he wasn't Matt had

946
01:00:40,140 --> 01:00:44,430
moved on. I can't remember who's
playing. I've met the guy. Blake

947
01:00:44,430 --> 01:00:48,390
was playing guitar. But yeah,
Matt had they had just changed

948
01:00:48,390 --> 01:00:52,170
drummers and Matt had just come
off the road. Crazy. Yeah.

949
01:00:52,470 --> 01:00:55,080
Crazy. Now how long were you
with chestnut? Man? That's a

950
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:57,210
nice song cat. That's a nice

951
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:03,090
body of work that he has. It is
I was with Mark for five years

952
01:01:03,090 --> 01:01:09,510
from 2003 until 2008. Nice
started. They had the package

953
01:01:09,510 --> 01:01:13,350
store going on. I think it was
him. Joe Duffy and Tracy,

954
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:14,520
Lawrence.

955
01:01:16,500 --> 01:01:21,150
Joe and Mark tried to get me on
that. But it was Tracy's turn to

956
01:01:21,150 --> 01:01:26,220
pick the drummer. So I went out
and tried it. And I wasn't

957
01:01:26,220 --> 01:01:29,220
really Tracy's bag. Even though
I would have, you know, hey, you

958
01:01:29,220 --> 01:01:32,550
could fit some gigs and you
won't fit other ones. Sure

959
01:01:32,700 --> 01:01:36,660
happens to everybody. Yeah. And
if it doesn't happen, it's going

960
01:01:36,660 --> 01:01:37,170
to happen.

961
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:42,420
And so I wasn't really a fit for
Tracy, as much as I would have

962
01:01:42,420 --> 01:01:45,450
been a great fit and was a great
fit for Mark and a good I was a

963
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:49,170
good fit for Joe, if that would
have come up, which it did. And

964
01:01:49,170 --> 01:01:53,280
I kind of since I've known Mark
longer, and he kind of brought

965
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:58,680
me to the party. US stayed with
Mark out of that. That three

966
01:01:58,740 --> 01:02:04,140
three frontman and one band
thing breaking up. And Mark is a

967
01:02:04,590 --> 01:02:07,890
drum hobbyist. He played some
drums suddenly, like well, he

968
01:02:07,890 --> 01:02:11,550
that's he grew up playing drums
before he switched to fronting

969
01:02:11,790 --> 01:02:18,990
when he grew up in Texas. And so
he can keep a B for sure. Every

970
01:02:18,990 --> 01:02:22,830
once in a while he'd throw me
off the kit to play. But it

971
01:02:22,830 --> 01:02:25,770
would drive him nuts because our
height difference is so

972
01:02:25,860 --> 01:02:31,560
different. And also for me being
tall, I sit really low.

973
01:02:32,730 --> 01:02:36,750
And so he was like I'm playing
like this.

974
01:02:39,180 --> 01:02:42,810
Mantis. Yeah. But there was a
couple times he's like, oh, man,

975
01:02:42,810 --> 01:02:45,990
I want to play him. Okay, go
ahead. And one time when in the

976
01:02:45,990 --> 01:02:48,420
early days, we had a double bill
with him and he came up on the

977
01:02:48,420 --> 01:02:51,840
bus and ElDeen didn't have his
cowboy hat on and he looks like

978
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:54,270
a completely different human
being without his cowboy hat,

979
01:02:54,270 --> 01:02:57,270
right? Because that's like his
caricature. That's his look. And

980
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:01,950
Mark kept saying, Now guys, when
you see our dean, you tell him

981
01:03:01,950 --> 01:03:05,040
such and such, and for me, he
was telling our Dean this, and

982
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:09,300
when you when you see Jason tell
him I love that song. And then

983
01:03:09,300 --> 01:03:12,330
we were just like, do we tell
him right now that he's talking

984
01:03:12,330 --> 01:03:15,810
to Jason? Oh, gosh. Hilarious.

985
01:03:16,950 --> 01:03:21,390
Oh, yeah. Mine was awesome. He's
another one. Glad he trusted me

986
01:03:21,390 --> 01:03:23,550
with these music. And yeah.

987
01:03:24,900 --> 01:03:27,780
It was with a bunch of guys that
I had made friends with because

988
01:03:27,780 --> 01:03:30,360
we'd already been on the road
when I was playing with Gary. So

989
01:03:30,660 --> 01:03:33,810
yeah, all the guys that Jim had
played with when Jim had moved

990
01:03:33,810 --> 01:03:38,160
on to Rascal Flatts. So there's
this theme here like between me

991
01:03:38,190 --> 01:03:38,970
you?

992
01:03:39,990 --> 01:03:46,860
Jim CIO. Just sharing gigs, man
passing things back and forth to

993
01:03:46,860 --> 01:03:49,650
each other. You know, a lot of
incest going on.

994
01:03:52,020 --> 01:03:55,380
Not only if you want to I am out
of the loop. Today's your

995
01:03:55,380 --> 01:03:57,300
birthday. Happy, happy, happy
birthday.

996
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:03,270
Your personal life. Did you have
kids? Did you were you married?

997
01:04:03,270 --> 01:04:05,850
Are you married? What happened?
I never say yeah.

998
01:04:07,140 --> 01:04:12,000
Where do you live? What burr Are
you in? I'm out Lebanon. I'm

999
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:18,840
about? Yeah, I'm on the west
side of Lebanon on a hill, or I

1000
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:24,030
can see completely across town
to 12 miles across town to the

1001
01:04:24,060 --> 01:04:27,360
east side of Lebanon. So I can
see the city lights and all that

1002
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:30,120
stuff. It's great. Oh, it's
fantastic.

1003
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:32,610
I was married for a little
while.

1004
01:04:33,870 --> 01:04:40,080
I was with DNA. My wife DNA for
now ex wife for about 15 years.

1005
01:04:40,170 --> 01:04:43,860
That's good, Ryan. Oh, yeah.
Seven year riches.

1006
01:04:45,870 --> 01:04:50,610
Yeah, I do. But you know, COVID
has a lot to do with it. You

1007
01:04:50,610 --> 01:04:55,380
know, us being you know, on top
of each other. Yeah, yeah. In

1008
01:04:55,380 --> 01:04:57,480
the same space for a while and

1009
01:04:59,850 --> 01:04:59,970
then

1010
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,330
We also have a student we have a
son named Dylan who? Great.

1011
01:05:03,540 --> 01:05:10,740
Yeah, he says he will turn 14 in
April. And he and I FaceTime and

1012
01:05:10,740 --> 01:05:15,180
text every day. They live down
in Hello, Dallas, Texas, which

1013
01:05:15,180 --> 01:05:16,590
is close to where she's from.

1014
01:05:17,670 --> 01:05:20,310
And she has a little more of a
support system with family

1015
01:05:20,310 --> 01:05:24,840
there. My ex in laws still live
here at Gallatin. And in a

1016
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:27,900
couple of weeks, they'll come up
for his spring break, and he'll

1017
01:05:27,900 --> 01:05:30,750
hang out here a good bit, and
he's with me through the

1018
01:05:30,750 --> 01:05:31,530
summers.

1019
01:05:33,300 --> 01:05:36,990
Does he play? What's his thing?
He does? He does not, in fact,

1020
01:05:37,710 --> 01:05:44,100
not sadly. But he did come up to
me when he was smaller. And he

1021
01:05:44,100 --> 01:05:47,910
goes, Dad, kind of he's very
sensitive. He's very sweet. So

1022
01:05:47,910 --> 01:05:50,700
we have raised him, right. And
my ex wife and I are very

1023
01:05:50,700 --> 01:05:55,590
amicable. So that's all good,
right? Oh, yeah. That, you know,

1024
01:05:56,130 --> 01:05:58,980
we still text to talk. Hey, what
are you coming up? What's going

1025
01:05:58,980 --> 01:05:59,910
on? Blah, blah, blah.

1026
01:06:01,950 --> 01:06:05,190
And he comes me goes, they're
gonna tell you something without

1027
01:06:05,190 --> 01:06:09,120
hurting your feelings. Secure me
anything is, musics really not

1028
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:13,050
my thing? And I'm like, that's
fine. It wasn't any of my

1029
01:06:13,050 --> 01:06:16,320
family's thing, either. Except
for me. We are the black sheep,

1030
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:19,470
my friend. Yes. Well, yeah, for
sure, you know, tattoos and all

1031
01:06:19,470 --> 01:06:19,950
that stuff.

1032
01:06:21,780 --> 01:06:26,190
But his thing is more art and
video games.

1033
01:06:28,260 --> 01:06:29,070
And

1034
01:06:30,300 --> 01:06:34,170
right now, instead of action
figures, they now get poseable

1035
01:06:34,170 --> 01:06:38,370
figures. You know, they're, you
know, it's like the action

1036
01:06:38,370 --> 01:06:41,100
figures we were had, but they
have a lot more poseable ways

1037
01:06:41,100 --> 01:06:44,490
and stones and stuff. So they
take pictures of them and pose

1038
01:06:44,490 --> 01:06:47,310
them and, you know, send
pictures to their friends. Is

1039
01:06:47,310 --> 01:06:50,220
that interesting. So he might go
to art school or something like

1040
01:06:50,220 --> 01:06:54,540
graphic design or? Exactly, and
I he plays video games a lot,

1041
01:06:54,570 --> 01:06:58,800
which is, we were kind of in the
gray area of video games, where

1042
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:03,780
now it's, I mean, even I play a
few things on Xbox, and I'm

1043
01:07:03,780 --> 01:07:07,890
blown away by the graphics. It's
so immersive. I had to get rid

1044
01:07:07,890 --> 01:07:11,520
of my ex box because I went
through a period of of the Duke

1045
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:14,340
new comes in the dooms and the
Resident Evils in his life. I

1046
01:07:14,340 --> 01:07:17,520
like first person shooters. But
next thing, next thing you know,

1047
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:20,250
you're like, you've been on the
couch for seven hours, your butt

1048
01:07:20,250 --> 01:07:22,710
sweating, and you ate a giant
bag of m&ms. And you're like, I

1049
01:07:22,710 --> 01:07:28,200
did nothing with my life for
seven hours. Now. Yeah, I can't

1050
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:31,050
sit that long. But I can get a
couple hours into like Red Dead

1051
01:07:31,050 --> 01:07:34,200
Redemption or cyberpunk or
something like that. I like the

1052
01:07:34,470 --> 01:07:39,870
the roleplaying storyline stuff.
Oh, yeah. Yeah, but I keep

1053
01:07:40,290 --> 01:07:43,260
explaining the deal. And I'm
like, you know, the people that

1054
01:07:43,260 --> 01:07:46,770
make these games make a lot of
money. Right. And it's through

1055
01:07:46,770 --> 01:07:50,160
art. That was the one thing
about the pandemic that really

1056
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:55,500
bothered me, is the way that not
only musicians, but artists as a

1057
01:07:55,500 --> 01:08:00,480
whole are treated. Yeah, because
everything that you touch,

1058
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:05,580
everything that you use on a day
to day basis, at one point is

1059
01:08:05,580 --> 01:08:07,470
touched by an artist

1060
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:13,290
that had to mock it up, draw it
up, come up with how it looks,

1061
01:08:13,470 --> 01:08:15,120
come up with how it works.

1062
01:08:17,250 --> 01:08:21,510
So you know, and I'm sure we all
have the big wins. Like before

1063
01:08:21,510 --> 01:08:24,240
we were actually making a living
at this and you get the question

1064
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:28,380
that family get togethers of. So
how's that music hobby going?

1065
01:08:28,440 --> 01:08:32,370
You know, or stuff like that.
Yeah. So it's

1066
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:38,340
hopefully it's getting better.
It's, I am really pleased to say

1067
01:08:38,340 --> 01:08:42,240
that once the floodgates opened
back up that lob music is

1068
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:45,990
extremely alive and well. No
matter what market you're

1069
01:08:45,990 --> 01:08:51,120
playing it, whether it be arenas
sheds,

1070
01:08:52,440 --> 01:08:55,590
the smaller outdoor theater
outdoor venues that have popped

1071
01:08:55,590 --> 01:08:59,100
up yeah, the even smaller ones
that are in

1072
01:09:00,630 --> 01:09:06,240
like community areas. Yeah. And
then all the I'm doing some

1073
01:09:07,350 --> 01:09:12,210
sub dates this year with the the
tribute act 20. And Lynn, which

1074
01:09:12,210 --> 01:09:15,360
is the grandchildren of Conway
and Loretta. Oh, nice. And

1075
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:19,020
someone tells me they're going
to play. Every small, even small

1076
01:09:19,020 --> 01:09:22,500
town has that downtown square
where there's a historic

1077
01:09:22,500 --> 01:09:26,430
probably haunted theater that
sits between 502,000 people.

1078
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:31,800
Exactly. And that's exactly the
ones they play. Little Texas

1079
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:34,740
have been playing some of those.
Yeah, and it's really cool to

1080
01:09:34,740 --> 01:09:39,510
see some of the smaller theaters
get new love because a lot of

1081
01:09:39,510 --> 01:09:42,660
them are now being repurposed.
And the downtown areas of the

1082
01:09:42,660 --> 01:09:47,520
smaller towns are coming back up
and it's fun to support the

1083
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:50,430
economy. You know, the bus pulls
in front of the theater. You

1084
01:09:50,430 --> 01:09:53,670
could go next door support the
local coffee house buy a t shirt

1085
01:09:53,670 --> 01:09:55,980
from them you go to soundcheck
after the show, there's a

1086
01:09:55,980 --> 01:09:59,220
hanging at the martini bar
across the street. Exactly. It's

1087
01:09:59,220 --> 01:09:59,940
cool.

1088
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:04,320
And it's a blast. It's a lot of
fun. So, but it's really cool to

1089
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:06,990
see all the different levels of
lob music.

1090
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:12,060
what looks to be coming back
stronger? Of course, it is the

1091
01:10:12,060 --> 01:10:16,710
main revenue stream for our
industry now. Pretty much. So

1092
01:10:17,700 --> 01:10:21,900
I'm pretty hopeful for things in
the future. And I'll be with

1093
01:10:21,900 --> 01:10:25,110
Hank until he's done. You know
what one yet some thing is, once

1094
01:10:25,110 --> 01:10:28,860
you find something I tell all
the kids that, you know, I did a

1095
01:10:29,100 --> 01:10:33,210
lesson slash consultation
yesterday, these guys will come

1096
01:10:33,210 --> 01:10:35,340
into town like, Hey, can I book
an hour of your time over at the

1097
01:10:35,340 --> 01:10:39,090
drum pad a drum paradise. And we
do some playing, but usually a

1098
01:10:39,090 --> 01:10:41,970
lot of talking, they ask
questions and, and I'm like, you

1099
01:10:41,970 --> 01:10:45,480
know, the one thing that you
really need to try to happen is

1100
01:10:45,480 --> 01:10:48,120
to try to get a steady job in
the music business, something

1101
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:51,900
where you have a W two where you
can buy a home, where you know,

1102
01:10:51,900 --> 01:10:55,260
just have that home base. Do all
the freelancing you want work in

1103
01:10:55,260 --> 01:10:59,640
as many fun side projects, do as
many Music Row sessions, home

1104
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:03,300
sessions as you want, keep the
calendar full, but have that

1105
01:11:03,420 --> 01:11:08,160
home base where you can your
home base is you can count on 25

1106
01:11:08,430 --> 01:11:12,000
well paid gigs per year with
that one act and you could

1107
01:11:12,060 --> 01:11:15,750
sprinkle everything across the
calendar, which is amazing.

1108
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:21,180
And it gives me a lot of freedom
as I get older. Yeah, no, I've

1109
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:24,960
I've had a job of some kind
since I was 12 years old. What

1110
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:27,600
was the day job when you moved
to Nashville? Like I parked cars

1111
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:29,760
waited tables and was a
substitute teacher. What did you

1112
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:34,080
do? I worked in the warehouse at
Pearl drums. Very practical job

1113
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:37,830
because you're meeting other
drummers? Well, it was hey, you

1114
01:11:37,830 --> 01:11:42,270
know, you know Rick Murray, our
buddy. Yeah. Okay. Well, Rick

1115
01:11:42,270 --> 01:11:45,900
was a big influence on me,
playing country and coming to

1116
01:11:45,900 --> 01:11:46,590
Nashville.

1117
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:52,050
I work for Rick at his drum shop
called drums and company in

1118
01:11:52,050 --> 01:11:55,050
Charlotte. And of course, would
go out and watch him play at

1119
01:11:55,050 --> 01:11:57,030
coyote Joe's when he was the
house drummer.

1120
01:11:59,310 --> 01:12:01,290
But oh, and when was

1121
01:12:03,300 --> 01:12:07,230
coyote Joe's? I mean, that's a
rite of passage. Man. We used to

1122
01:12:07,230 --> 01:12:11,310
play there with ElDeen. And I
instead of instead of us being

1123
01:12:11,310 --> 01:12:14,010
the headliner with that
mentality, like, Hey, you're the

1124
01:12:14,010 --> 01:12:17,910
opening act, you should play on
my drums. I ended up playing on

1125
01:12:17,910 --> 01:12:24,540
the house guys. Drums a lot. Did
you really I played on his

1126
01:12:24,540 --> 01:12:27,150
drums, they're all falling
apart. And I'd had the duck take

1127
01:12:27,150 --> 01:12:31,050
the legs of the hi hat to the
stage. And every it's like, oh,

1128
01:12:31,050 --> 01:12:34,770
boy. And that would be after
Rick because I know Rick's drum

1129
01:12:34,770 --> 01:12:38,310
kit was fabulous when he played
there because I played on it a

1130
01:12:38,310 --> 01:12:39,150
few times.

1131
01:12:40,380 --> 01:12:46,470
But because of Rick, and working
at his drum shop, when he knew

1132
01:12:46,470 --> 01:12:51,390
people in the pearl, you know,
in Pearl, so when I moved, we,

1133
01:12:51,420 --> 01:12:54,030
you know, we worked it out for
me to get a job in the warehouse

1134
01:12:54,030 --> 01:12:59,370
and work part time. So if I
picked up a gig, I could call in

1135
01:12:59,370 --> 01:13:02,820
and go, Hey, I'm not coming in,
over if I had a late night from

1136
01:13:02,820 --> 01:13:06,090
hanging out trying to get gigs,
I could call in and go, Hey, I'm

1137
01:13:06,090 --> 01:13:10,620
not gonna be in, you know? Or if
I went out on the road with

1138
01:13:10,620 --> 01:13:14,250
somebody, I could come back and
the gig would still be there.

1139
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:17,310
Nice flexible job. Yeah. Well,
yeah, it was flexible. I mean,

1140
01:13:17,340 --> 01:13:20,880
there was no benefits because I
was part time. But if I'd gone

1141
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:24,210
full time, I couldn't have left
and gone and played gigs and

1142
01:13:24,210 --> 01:13:27,180
stuff. So that's right. That's
right. Well, you know, so and

1143
01:13:27,180 --> 01:13:29,670
then the, you know, the best
thing that ever happened was not

1144
01:13:29,670 --> 01:13:32,580
having to work those day jobs
anymore. But I substitute Todd

1145
01:13:32,580 --> 01:13:35,340
it was like, you know, with my
master's degree back in

1146
01:13:35,340 --> 01:13:39,390
1999 2000. It was

1147
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:44,190
75 bucks a day, man. You know,
the thing is, is that we played

1148
01:13:44,190 --> 01:13:46,740
in the clubs till 230 In the
morning, and by the time we got

1149
01:13:46,740 --> 01:13:49,170
home and decompress. It was 330
in the morning, and I was

1150
01:13:49,170 --> 01:13:51,990
supposed to be standing in front
of that classroom at seven in

1151
01:13:51,990 --> 01:13:57,090
the morning. And that was rough.
Oh, at least I could you wander

1152
01:13:57,090 --> 01:14:01,620
in at night at Pearl and yeah,
well enough to fill out orders.

1153
01:14:02,580 --> 01:14:06,090
You know, it's so funny. You're
you if you go to your website,

1154
01:14:06,150 --> 01:14:09,180
it's a beautiful website, very
robust. Got a lot of information

1155
01:14:09,180 --> 01:14:13,140
on you leak Ellie on drums and
ladies and gentlemen, it's k e l

1156
01:14:13,140 --> 01:14:17,580
l e y li Kelly on drums.com.
Taking a look around. Every

1157
01:14:17,580 --> 01:14:21,690
drummer has got this interesting
little thing that nags at them

1158
01:14:21,690 --> 01:14:25,380
throughout their lifetime and
and it seems that for you, it

1159
01:14:25,380 --> 01:14:28,830
was voiceover and on my website.
I have a voiceover demo. I heard

1160
01:14:28,830 --> 01:14:31,410
your voice over demo. When did
you start experimenting with it

1161
01:14:31,410 --> 01:14:35,430
sounds great man. Oh, I haven't
messed with it in years. I just

1162
01:14:35,430 --> 01:14:39,870
tried a course with Joe lash.
Joe less lives six houses from

1163
01:14:39,870 --> 01:14:42,720
me. Oh, so you still live over
there? I didn't know you were

1164
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:45,570
still over there. Yeah, I'm here
and but yeah, I've been here 14

1165
01:14:45,570 --> 01:14:48,600
years crazy. Okay, yeah, you're
because I remember passing your

1166
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:50,760
house going to his Yeah.

1167
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:53,730
I tried it.

1168
01:14:56,130 --> 01:14:59,010
Just out of curiosity. There you
can really

1169
01:15:00,780 --> 01:15:05,250
Also my dad was in broadcasting.
My dad was in NASCAR

1170
01:15:05,250 --> 01:15:10,080
broadcasting for universal
racing network in the 60s and

1171
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:17,820
70s. And my older brother
Winston, he was on MRN radio

1172
01:15:17,850 --> 01:15:23,370
motor racing network for 33
years, from 1988 until

1173
01:15:24,630 --> 01:15:30,090
2021 is when he stopped being a
regular pit reporter for MRN

1174
01:15:30,090 --> 01:15:34,950
radio, and he just does his day
job which is run the NASCAR Hall

1175
01:15:34,950 --> 01:15:35,430
of Fame.

1176
01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:42,540
Oh, yeah, my, my family goes
back or my dad goes back to

1177
01:15:42,540 --> 01:15:47,160
NASCAR predating the
sanctioning. Like my dad, my dad

1178
01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:49,920
came out of World War Two, as a

1179
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:52,800
gearhead a little bit,

1180
01:15:55,020 --> 01:15:58,170
which it kind of rubbed my
grandfather. I haven't gone to

1181
01:15:58,170 --> 01:16:03,630
ancestry.com and done this, but
my grandfather was a moon

1182
01:16:03,630 --> 01:16:08,520
shiner. Wow. Yeah, my
grandfather was a moonshot or

1183
01:16:08,790 --> 01:16:13,290
BAFTA moonshine. Well, I don't
know if he made it or if he just

1184
01:16:13,290 --> 01:16:17,490
ran it, but the story I've heard
is he died running it. Oh, man.

1185
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:18,390
Yeah.

1186
01:16:19,410 --> 01:16:23,700
And you know, it wasn't a great
household. So I don't guess it

1187
01:16:23,700 --> 01:16:27,960
was a great household to grow up
in. Yeah. So my dad and his two

1188
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:32,010
brothers after Pearl Harbor, and
they were old enough, which at

1189
01:16:32,010 --> 01:16:37,170
that time was 17. They all three
went into the service. My dad

1190
01:16:37,170 --> 01:16:40,800
went into Navy, my uncle went
into the Marines. My other uncle

1191
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:45,150
went into the army. So when they
came back, dad tried and he

1192
01:16:45,150 --> 01:16:49,440
actually tried racing did five
races and said that was enough.

1193
01:16:50,130 --> 01:16:52,800
You know, that's enough. You
know, that could get me killed.

1194
01:16:52,950 --> 01:16:56,670
I can't handle that kind of
speed. No way. I was insane.

1195
01:16:56,700 --> 01:17:01,110
I've been a passenger in one of
those cars to go around, you

1196
01:17:01,110 --> 01:17:05,640
know, 170 miles an hour. You
have been? Are you crazy? I've

1197
01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:06,630
written Yeah, they

1198
01:17:08,490 --> 01:17:13,410
like it the tracks that have
cars that you can, the ego take

1199
01:17:13,410 --> 01:17:17,850
driving classes at that kind of
thing. They have passenger seats

1200
01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:21,150
in the in the cars, even though
it's got full rope roll cages

1201
01:17:21,150 --> 01:17:23,400
and just like a stock car.

1202
01:17:24,480 --> 01:17:28,230
So with too much Sylvia, we
played Charlotte Motor Speedway

1203
01:17:28,230 --> 01:17:33,360
in 2000. I'm sorry, in 1994 when
the Final Four was there. And we

1204
01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:35,880
played Charlotte Motor Speedway,
they were taking people around

1205
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:40,020
in the cars and we made I jumped
in one of my buddy jumped in the

1206
01:17:40,020 --> 01:17:44,220
other one. You could feel the G
forces jerk your head back. Wow.

1207
01:17:44,550 --> 01:17:48,180
And I had already been around it
through my dad and stuff for

1208
01:17:48,180 --> 01:17:50,610
years and already knew they were
athletes. You know, being from

1209
01:17:50,610 --> 01:17:56,040
Carolina. That's kind of our
sport. Yes. So. So my dad ended

1210
01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:59,730
up in broadcasting at one point,
my my brother did it. And we've

1211
01:17:59,730 --> 01:18:03,810
got this voice. You know that if
you get rid of the southern

1212
01:18:03,810 --> 01:18:07,440
accent, it comes out a little
more robust. And sounds like my

1213
01:18:07,440 --> 01:18:10,620
brother, when I met you. When I
met you, you know, I mean, I'd

1214
01:18:10,620 --> 01:18:13,920
spent a lot of time in Texas,
but the Texas Southern accent is

1215
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:17,340
different from the Carolina
southern accent. I had never

1216
01:18:17,340 --> 01:18:24,690
heard an accent so thick. When I
met. I was like, wow, this guy

1217
01:18:24,690 --> 01:18:28,920
is getting six syllables out of
one word. Yeah, we'll do that.

1218
01:18:29,220 --> 01:18:33,240
And even my family says it got a
little thicker when I moved to

1219
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:39,060
Nashville. So Wow. It is what it
is. Yeah. So you did. So you did

1220
01:18:39,060 --> 01:18:43,350
your demo with Joe lash. I did.
And then I tried pursuing the

1221
01:18:43,350 --> 01:18:47,880
pay to play sites or whatever.
Voices 123 and all that. Yeah,

1222
01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:48,480
just kind of

1223
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:51,930
something came up great. Yeah.

1224
01:18:53,700 --> 01:18:57,600
Do it full time li are that I
know some people that have had

1225
01:18:57,600 --> 01:19:00,240
some success with with those pay
to play sites. And they

1226
01:19:00,240 --> 01:19:04,320
literally they get up super
early. So they could be on West

1227
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:08,970
Coast time. And they answer the
they respond to all the ads

1228
01:19:08,970 --> 01:19:10,770
immediately. And then they
literally are in front of their

1229
01:19:10,770 --> 01:19:12,870
computer all day. And if the job
comes in then there's a

1230
01:19:12,870 --> 01:19:16,200
deadline. They got a knock it
out. They are tied to their home

1231
01:19:16,200 --> 01:19:19,560
studio. All day. Yeah, all day.

1232
01:19:20,940 --> 01:19:24,690
And I want to have a life. Yeah.
So you're in Lebanon. I was

1233
01:19:24,690 --> 01:19:29,490
just, I was the emcee for the
Bach to rock awards at the

1234
01:19:29,490 --> 01:19:35,100
Capitol Theatre. On Saturdays go
to Saturday, because yeah, so

1235
01:19:35,100 --> 01:19:38,970
Oh, so there's Sunday. You are a
big influence to me. Just so you

1236
01:19:38,970 --> 01:19:44,490
know. I remember coming out of
shoulder surgery in 2016. Yeah.

1237
01:19:44,910 --> 01:19:46,950
And you were doing your
weekends.

1238
01:19:48,270 --> 01:19:51,450
During your drummer weekends,
and I had never I remember

1239
01:19:51,450 --> 01:19:57,090
texting you God. I'd never seen
your spill. Let me come by. And

1240
01:19:57,090 --> 01:19:59,760
you were gracious enough. Hey,
come on, drop in.

1241
01:20:00,539 --> 01:20:03,449
One I'll never forget when I
walked in, you stopped whatever

1242
01:20:03,449 --> 01:20:07,229
you're saying and introduced me
and told about the class of 97,

1243
01:20:07,229 --> 01:20:10,139
which I thought was fantastic.
Our history and I meet Troy

1244
01:20:10,139 --> 01:20:14,159
McKenna. And I'm like, Oh, my
gosh, hero of mine, you know,

1245
01:20:14,279 --> 01:20:21,179
Tesla night, so. And just your
enthusiasm, which has always

1246
01:20:21,179 --> 01:20:26,159
been like, just all over you.
Your enthusiasm is infectious.

1247
01:20:26,189 --> 01:20:28,379
Oh, I take it as a big
compliment. Thank you. Oh,

1248
01:20:28,379 --> 01:20:33,839
please do and but you talking
about being the positive guy in

1249
01:20:33,839 --> 01:20:34,319
the room?

1250
01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:37,290
That was a I mean,

1251
01:20:38,550 --> 01:20:42,000
I've never thought about it.
Yeah, just kind of been me and

1252
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:45,960
things have worked out. But that
sticks in the back of my mind

1253
01:20:45,990 --> 01:20:50,850
all the time. Wow. But it really
does. It's like yeah, just don't

1254
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:54,930
Don't be the downer. Don't think
Debbie Downer? Yeah, exactly.

1255
01:20:54,930 --> 01:20:57,720
Man, you want to have a good
job? Well, you've Oh, I've never

1256
01:20:57,720 --> 01:21:01,410
seen you have a bad day. Like
you are like a high energy

1257
01:21:01,410 --> 01:21:05,910
person like so if you get me and
you in a place for one or two

1258
01:21:05,910 --> 01:21:10,320
hours, it's going to be like a
earthquake. Yeah, you've got a

1259
01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:10,620
lot of a

1260
01:21:11,940 --> 01:21:13,830
lot of energy, man, a lot of
energy.

1261
01:21:15,150 --> 01:21:16,080
Is your son like that?

1262
01:21:17,310 --> 01:21:23,310
A good bit of a like, I mean, he
really It's funny how when we

1263
01:21:23,310 --> 01:21:26,790
were growing up, everybody went
outside and played. And, you

1264
01:21:26,790 --> 01:21:30,000
know, you're not in until you
hear the dinner bell ring two,

1265
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:36,150
three blocks away. And now they
are on their games on their PS

1266
01:21:36,150 --> 01:21:39,570
five. And they're still playing
with people. They're all you

1267
01:21:39,570 --> 01:21:45,390
know, they're online. But it's
changed. I mean, COVID showed

1268
01:21:45,390 --> 01:21:49,380
that anyway, but that was
because they had to. But I think

1269
01:21:49,830 --> 01:21:53,610
that's out. That's how it is
now. Yeah, I did ask him if he

1270
01:21:53,610 --> 01:21:56,160
wants to do anything special. He
likes to shoot basketball. So

1271
01:21:56,160 --> 01:21:57,150
we'll go down here to

1272
01:21:58,860 --> 01:22:04,800
Floyd, the Oh, the whatever, the
basketball courts here. And

1273
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:08,370
he'll play for a couple hours
every day. So killer man, that's

1274
01:22:08,370 --> 01:22:12,450
killer. So yeah, so yeah, I get
the family thing happening. You

1275
01:22:12,450 --> 01:22:17,550
got your in your boom, boom drum
room, and people are sending you

1276
01:22:17,550 --> 01:22:20,640
the files and you're knocking
them out for people. You have

1277
01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:24,330
fun doing that? Is it pretty
consistent? Oh, somebody I

1278
01:22:24,330 --> 01:22:28,470
haven't pushed it real hard.
This version of it. Like the one

1279
01:22:28,470 --> 01:22:32,730
I had Mount Juliet, you know
where I was in the bonus room. I

1280
01:22:32,730 --> 01:22:34,140
promoted it a little more.

1281
01:22:35,490 --> 01:22:38,520
And funnily enough, Pat and I
would talk about, we'd look at

1282
01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:41,940
you and Jim and go in. They are
just getting it. They're all

1283
01:22:41,940 --> 01:22:44,760
over the place. And Pat and I
finally realized we're just

1284
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:45,360
lazy.

1285
01:22:46,470 --> 01:22:49,650
Y'all were y'all have a lot more
motivation where Pat and I just

1286
01:22:49,650 --> 01:22:51,870
like, go to the beach. Right,
you know.

1287
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:56,250
And, and also COVID

1288
01:22:58,200 --> 01:23:01,320
Except for playing gigs and
doing what I had to do

1289
01:23:02,430 --> 01:23:05,010
kind of took the wind out of my
sails.

1290
01:23:06,390 --> 01:23:11,640
So I'm honestly really just
getting back to really wanting

1291
01:23:11,640 --> 01:23:19,410
to do this here. Yeah. I mean,
you're saying that COVID had a a

1292
01:23:19,410 --> 01:23:24,330
negative impact on your mental
health. Oh, for sure.

1293
01:23:24,990 --> 01:23:27,570
Absolutely. I'm glad I'm not the
only one. I had to fight it

1294
01:23:27,570 --> 01:23:31,290
every day with everything I had.
Oh, because I miss people. I

1295
01:23:31,290 --> 01:23:32,700
miss people. You know.

1296
01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:39,030
It was it was having just
drummers or anything like that.

1297
01:23:39,060 --> 01:23:42,690
Like I taught good. bandmates.
I've played with forever.

1298
01:23:42,690 --> 01:23:45,450
They're like, yeah, I just don't
feel like doing it, man. Because

1299
01:23:45,450 --> 01:23:48,450
it was the first time in our
lifetime that the rug was pulled

1300
01:23:48,450 --> 01:23:53,070
out from under us. Yeah. So and
you couple that with, even

1301
01:23:53,070 --> 01:23:57,090
though it was an amicable,
amicable divorce? You couple it

1302
01:23:57,090 --> 01:24:05,580
with that, as well. So that was
2001 2001 to 2002. Gotcha. Kind

1303
01:24:05,580 --> 01:24:08,670
of got finalized last year, but
that was just legalities. And so

1304
01:24:08,670 --> 01:24:13,410
you mean 2000 22,021? Yeah,
2000 21,000 tweeted, sorry.

1305
01:24:16,260 --> 01:24:18,780
And that was just legalities and
stuff like that, but it's still

1306
01:24:18,810 --> 01:24:19,080
good.

1307
01:24:20,130 --> 01:24:20,730
If

1308
01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:26,220
going and doing stuff that's
booked is easy. Like, okay, I

1309
01:24:26,220 --> 01:24:29,970
have that goal there. You know,
I could walk in here and let the

1310
01:24:29,970 --> 01:24:34,740
kid just go and don't feel like
it. Yeah, I don't have to. I

1311
01:24:34,740 --> 01:24:39,300
don't feel like it. But now I
kind of feel like a lot more

1312
01:24:39,480 --> 01:24:45,480
good at a friend of mine come
over and help get my, my, my

1313
01:24:45,480 --> 01:24:49,980
channeling or my routing
correct. So I could have control

1314
01:24:49,980 --> 01:24:55,620
over logic when I needed it.
signal path. Oh, for sure, man.

1315
01:24:56,130 --> 01:24:58,980
And at that point, I just play
drums a lot of times and great.

1316
01:24:59,220 --> 01:25:00,000
Great. You looks like

1317
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:02,880
Yeah, high ceilings there like
nine to 11 feet or something.

1318
01:25:03,450 --> 01:25:05,970
It's great. It's one of the
reasons I wanted to make sure I

1319
01:25:05,970 --> 01:25:11,280
kept the house in the divorce
was this room and also just the

1320
01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:16,950
views and got an inground pool
outside. So keep Yeah, so get

1321
01:25:16,950 --> 01:25:19,230
that make sure to keep that for
Dylan when he's here during the

1322
01:25:19,230 --> 01:25:22,860
summers. So you got this
beautiful house on the hill

1323
01:25:22,860 --> 01:25:26,820
overlooking the city like that
you can have all your new

1324
01:25:26,820 --> 01:25:27,780
girlfriends out to

1325
01:25:30,240 --> 01:25:32,730
whenever I feel like dating
here, we'll see how that goes.

1326
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:38,070
And yeah, but but yeah, I'm
feeling like doing so I've been

1327
01:25:38,070 --> 01:25:41,400
in here messing around with
camera angles and stuff. And

1328
01:25:41,820 --> 01:25:46,050
since my education, unlike yours
in gyms, like

1329
01:25:47,220 --> 01:25:51,510
going back to my parents not
seeing it as a viable vocation.

1330
01:25:53,160 --> 01:25:57,540
And also, I didn't want to do
like, drum camp during the

1331
01:25:57,540 --> 01:26:00,600
summer when I was in high
school, because we had a place

1332
01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:04,140
in North Myrtle Beach in Cherry
Grove, South Carolina, that we

1333
01:26:04,140 --> 01:26:07,830
would go and spend three months
at, um, like, beach or a parking

1334
01:26:07,830 --> 01:26:12,270
lot with drums, which is going
to win a beach beach or I'm

1335
01:26:12,270 --> 01:26:15,810
working at an arcade on the
beach. I'm there. I can

1336
01:26:15,810 --> 01:26:19,800
appreciate a beach more than
anyone because I worked so hard

1337
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:23,550
in the early years of my life
that at least once a year. I got

1338
01:26:23,550 --> 01:26:27,600
to you know what I discovered?
It's only six hours away is not

1339
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:32,520
Myrtle Beach but Alabama. Orange
Beach. Orange Beach. Yeah.

1340
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:38,760
Yeah, Mexico Beach is. B Kindle.
Marvel's got a place that his

1341
01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:42,420
family has a place in Mexico
beach. That's gorgeous. Wow.

1342
01:26:42,450 --> 01:26:45,720
Yeah, I just, that's a gorgeous
place. So

1343
01:26:46,950 --> 01:26:51,720
North Myrtle Beach is about 10
hours away. So yeah, the six

1344
01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:54,240
hours of Orange Beach is it's a
little secret. It's like oh my

1345
01:26:54,240 --> 01:26:56,100
god, I because every time I want
to take a vacation, I'm

1346
01:26:56,100 --> 01:26:59,010
thinking, Well, I gotta fly to
LA then I gotta get then I gotta

1347
01:26:59,010 --> 01:27:02,130
go over water. I got to get to
why it's so expensive. You need

1348
01:27:02,250 --> 01:27:05,460
You need those two extra travel
days, you know, six hours to

1349
01:27:05,460 --> 01:27:08,460
Orange Beach. The beaches are
nice. It's affordable. There's

1350
01:27:08,460 --> 01:27:13,020
tons of great restaurants. I
like it. Right. And also, my

1351
01:27:13,020 --> 01:27:16,380
brother has a place over in
Blowing Rock, South Carolina,

1352
01:27:16,980 --> 01:27:19,080
which is booed in Blowing Rock.

1353
01:27:20,670 --> 01:27:24,000
And occasionally, I'll take off
for there. But

1354
01:27:26,760 --> 01:27:29,790
it wasn't a vocation. So my
education back to that main

1355
01:27:29,790 --> 01:27:35,340
education start in high school.
Yeah. So what I did before the

1356
01:27:35,340 --> 01:27:39,300
pandemic hit and the wind was
taken out of our sails. I had

1357
01:27:39,300 --> 01:27:42,870
bought Todd Zuckerman's rock
drumming masterclass. Oppa

1358
01:27:42,870 --> 01:27:44,250
dremio. Cool.

1359
01:27:45,360 --> 01:27:51,090
And so what I'm planning to do
is record the play alongs that

1360
01:27:51,090 --> 01:27:52,050
he has in there.

1361
01:27:53,280 --> 01:27:57,720
And along the way, it's going to
do kind of like an old dog

1362
01:27:57,720 --> 01:28:02,370
learning new tricks thing for
me. Yes. You know, even though I

1363
01:28:02,370 --> 01:28:06,870
have enough vocation and enough
tools in my shed to do the gigs

1364
01:28:06,870 --> 01:28:11,640
I'm doing. I want to have a few
more tools in my shed. Yeah. And

1365
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:14,730
it'll be fun for me to do it.
And now I want to get in here

1366
01:28:14,730 --> 01:28:17,490
and put headphones on and play
to stuff and

1367
01:28:18,660 --> 01:28:19,140
and

1368
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:23,880
I don't get red light fever hear
that stuff? It's like turn it

1369
01:28:23,880 --> 01:28:27,180
on. Let's go. Yeah, to me, I'm
just playing with another band.

1370
01:28:28,230 --> 01:28:31,080
So oh, man, that's that's that's
really, really exciting. And you

1371
01:28:31,080 --> 01:28:34,050
know, speaking of which, who
were some of your Mount Rushmore

1372
01:28:34,050 --> 01:28:37,530
drummers coming up that Yeah,
your car? Oh, yeah. I could be.

1373
01:28:38,040 --> 01:28:42,090
Oh, absolutely. I can hear that
time because there's, there's

1374
01:28:42,090 --> 01:28:46,200
definitely a focus on like,
there's a serious intention and

1375
01:28:47,040 --> 01:28:50,250
focus on groove and pocket with
you, man, and that's why you get

1376
01:28:50,250 --> 01:28:54,540
gigs and keep gigs. You know, on
YouTube. We're playing songs,

1377
01:28:54,780 --> 01:28:57,900
whisper song drummers. And if we
didn't start out a song

1378
01:28:57,900 --> 01:29:02,580
drummers, Nashville made a song
drummers. It gave us a shirt HD

1379
01:29:02,580 --> 01:29:06,510
and song drumming. Yeah, and
luckily I grew up loving songs

1380
01:29:06,510 --> 01:29:11,910
so like my earliest drumming
influence were fluences were Ron

1381
01:29:11,910 --> 01:29:17,160
Bushi from iron butterfly Lee
Kerslake from Uriah Heep. To the

1382
01:29:17,160 --> 01:29:18,180
years before Ozzy

1383
01:29:19,530 --> 01:29:21,810
Neil Smith with a with Alice
Cooper.

1384
01:29:24,330 --> 01:29:29,070
Whoever was playing drums with
parliament on Chocolate City

1385
01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:33,870
mothership connection clubs with
Dr. Frankenstein strong ones. Oh

1386
01:29:33,870 --> 01:29:34,200
dude.

1387
01:29:36,750 --> 01:29:41,790
Oh yeah, clown in the one baby
clown in the one big Freddie

1388
01:29:41,790 --> 01:29:44,190
White from Earth Wind and Fire
Nice.

1389
01:29:48,060 --> 01:29:53,760
Later on the near the needle
drop moment for David Garibaldi

1390
01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:58,830
hearing ebony jam for the first
time and the in the slot record.

1391
01:30:01,110 --> 01:30:04,980
later on, somebody brought back
waiting for Columbus to our

1392
01:30:04,980 --> 01:30:08,670
Camelot music I was working at
as a teenager. And one of the

1393
01:30:08,670 --> 01:30:11,160
guys wait, you'll like this the
minute I heard

1394
01:30:13,049 --> 01:30:18,329
Oh, oh Fat Man in the bathtub. I
was hooked. Richie Rich. He's

1395
01:30:18,329 --> 01:30:26,279
big. Jim Keltner Jim Gordon. Can
I have? Oh gosh, Jim Gordon's

1396
01:30:26,279 --> 01:30:28,859
got a book out now. I believe
there's this coming out. Yeah, I

1397
01:30:28,859 --> 01:30:33,899
saw that on John did Christopher
site. Oh, Floyd Sneed from three

1398
01:30:33,899 --> 01:30:36,029
dog night. Oh, yeah, come on.

1399
01:30:38,250 --> 01:30:43,260
And then obviously, Alex Van
Halen, James Bradley Jr. from

1400
01:30:43,260 --> 01:30:48,870
the chuck man's journey live at
the Hollywood Bowl. Man, that is

1401
01:30:48,870 --> 01:30:53,220
still a life changing record for
me. Yeah, I still listen to

1402
01:30:53,220 --> 01:30:58,500
that. Yeah, we love it so much.
We're pals on Facebook. Not

1403
01:30:58,500 --> 01:31:01,200
super tight. But I remember you
know, and you would hear you

1404
01:31:01,200 --> 01:31:05,640
would hear that, that Flugel
horn, Chuck Manzoni in,

1405
01:31:06,900 --> 01:31:12,180
in supermarkets and elevators
every day. And then he went on

1406
01:31:12,180 --> 01:31:16,350
to be that one hit wonder band
called Crazy Town. Come come a

1407
01:31:16,350 --> 01:31:21,510
lady. Come a lady. That thing.
Oh, yeah. I remember when he

1408
01:31:21,510 --> 01:31:26,550
popped back up. And I was that
the same guy. Same guy was Yeah.

1409
01:31:27,270 --> 01:31:31,890
I mean, the main squeeze out,
which was Gad, that was great

1410
01:31:31,890 --> 01:31:35,790
stuff. And then everything my
brothers listened to because

1411
01:31:35,790 --> 01:31:40,770
they were 10 and 11 years older
than me. Doobie Brothers, blood

1412
01:31:40,770 --> 01:31:41,370
rock.

1413
01:31:43,410 --> 01:31:46,770
And then I would find stuff and
go backwards, like when little

1414
01:31:46,770 --> 01:31:48,300
feet hit me.

1415
01:31:49,530 --> 01:31:54,210
I was like, Okay, what, when did
that change from it being the

1416
01:31:54,210 --> 01:31:59,700
first two or three albums to
Dixie chicken. You know, there

1417
01:31:59,700 --> 01:32:06,360
was a change in band members and
a complete seismic shift from

1418
01:32:06,570 --> 01:32:10,410
being a country rock band to
being a, like almost a New

1419
01:32:10,410 --> 01:32:14,490
Orleans bass second live band.
Yeah. Which led me to Okay,

1420
01:32:14,520 --> 01:32:17,940
here's the meters. Oh, well, I
was already hit to think of

1421
01:32:17,940 --> 01:32:22,860
Neville Brothers. Oh, Willie
green. And those guys. I was

1422
01:32:22,860 --> 01:32:24,150
already hip to that stuff.

1423
01:32:25,710 --> 01:32:28,530
And so going back, and that's
how I learned country two. So

1424
01:32:28,530 --> 01:32:31,830
when we moved here, when you and
I moved here, and we were

1425
01:32:31,830 --> 01:32:36,660
listening to Eddie and Lonnie,
and Jamie croon, and all those

1426
01:32:36,660 --> 01:32:41,910
guys, I went backwards to learn
the old country stack like I

1427
01:32:41,910 --> 01:32:46,170
would go to skulls with a skull
was still alive and watch Johnny

1428
01:32:46,170 --> 01:32:51,720
barber play. And so then I
learned and then Gary Allen was

1429
01:32:51,720 --> 01:32:54,600
like, how much Buck Owens Do you
know? And I'm like, well, he

1430
01:32:54,600 --> 01:32:59,010
hauls stuff. He goes nah, go
listen to books stuff. And of

1431
01:32:59,010 --> 01:33:04,260
course Willie can't do becomes a
huge influence. Yeah, you went

1432
01:33:04,260 --> 01:33:06,630
to the source, man, you're like,
I'm going down to schools man,

1433
01:33:06,630 --> 01:33:08,940
I'm gonna live it and experience
it. I went down to the Great

1434
01:33:08,940 --> 01:33:12,630
Escape and bought everybody's
greatest hits on cassette so on

1435
01:33:12,630 --> 01:33:16,380
its Greatest Hits and goes
Greatest Hits and, and I was

1436
01:33:16,380 --> 01:33:21,120
like, as I just knew that, you
have to learn the rules so you

1437
01:33:21,120 --> 01:33:21,930
can break.

1438
01:33:24,180 --> 01:33:27,810
Right? You can't just come from
Yeah, if you're gonna play the

1439
01:33:27,810 --> 01:33:30,990
Grand Ole Opry and sit on Eddie
strums and that person is going

1440
01:33:30,990 --> 01:33:33,510
to be singing in that spot right
there we're Patsy everyone's

1441
01:33:33,510 --> 01:33:39,420
saying you better know the
rules. For sure. Is an acrostic

1442
01:33:39,450 --> 01:33:42,660
Is it a stick in a brush? When
do you go to the snare? What

1443
01:33:42,660 --> 01:33:44,220
fills are appropriate?

1444
01:33:45,240 --> 01:33:48,030
Do they use the ride cymbal and
cut like that early stuff? You

1445
01:33:48,030 --> 01:33:51,840
got to know the rules? Yep.
Yeah, man. Pretty interesting

1446
01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:57,390
study. Yes. It's not as easy to
play old countries it looks or

1447
01:33:57,390 --> 01:34:00,990
sounds Yeah. Now much older room
to this day. I don't know if you

1448
01:34:00,990 --> 01:34:03,180
tell me people probably hit you
up all the time, man to like,

1449
01:34:03,180 --> 01:34:05,430
hey, you know in this
Nashville's the city I want to

1450
01:34:05,430 --> 01:34:09,180
come and experience do the
thing. I say man go to Robert's

1451
01:34:09,180 --> 01:34:12,510
Western world. It's my favorite
place because you're gonna hear

1452
01:34:12,510 --> 01:34:15,450
those rockabilly bands and
there's gonna be those geometry

1453
01:34:15,540 --> 01:34:18,210
that Brazil Billy's with their
Pearl snap shirts and the

1454
01:34:18,210 --> 01:34:22,170
upright bass and they're just
doing it right. Yep.

1455
01:34:23,310 --> 01:34:28,530
I mean, the that's one rendus
still keeping the older stuff

1456
01:34:28,530 --> 01:34:29,730
alive. Yep.

1457
01:34:30,840 --> 01:34:33,660
There Aj is across the street, I
guess.

1458
01:34:35,340 --> 01:34:39,060
And I just did a gig a few weeks
ago at Music City Bar and Grill

1459
01:34:40,110 --> 01:34:44,280
out a music rally. Yeah. And
that was with Jeff Garrus. On

1460
01:34:44,280 --> 01:34:50,160
guitar JD Myers fronting it and
Robbie Turner on bass. Wow.

1461
01:34:50,190 --> 01:34:54,690
Which of you if you if you ever
get a chance to play drums with

1462
01:34:54,690 --> 01:34:58,260
Robbie Turner playing bass. I
know he's known as the steel

1463
01:34:58,260 --> 01:34:59,700
player legend that he is

1464
01:35:00,450 --> 01:35:05,640
But playing drums with him
playing bass is a treat. Nice. I

1465
01:35:05,640 --> 01:35:09,240
mean, I know he's a great
musician, but I'd never knew him

1466
01:35:09,240 --> 01:35:14,700
as a bass player. Yeah. And but
wow. Yeah, well, that's cool. Is

1467
01:35:14,700 --> 01:35:18,630
it all? And what do you you do
anything special and as we're

1468
01:35:18,630 --> 01:35:26,070
aging with your nutrition and
fitness anything? Oh, not really

1469
01:35:27,750 --> 01:35:31,710
broken probably sadly. I have
I'm trying to cut alcohol out

1470
01:35:31,740 --> 01:35:37,410
honestly. Nice because it's kind
of time. It's, you know I'm

1471
01:35:37,410 --> 01:35:40,650
having some success with it.
It's just but it's you know, as

1472
01:35:40,650 --> 01:35:45,630
we get older you don't recover
as easily. And it's just better

1473
01:35:45,630 --> 01:35:47,580
than longer and you get more
stuff done.

1474
01:35:49,140 --> 01:35:53,940
And better for me. Now when
you're doing doing the alcohol,

1475
01:35:54,960 --> 01:35:58,500
a D discriminator. Or are you
like a when in Rome guy? Oh, I'm

1476
01:35:58,500 --> 01:35:59,940
at a wine bar is wine. I'm

1477
01:36:00,990 --> 01:36:03,720
mainly just a whiskey guy.
That's it. Oh, that's nice.

1478
01:36:03,720 --> 01:36:05,190
Well, that's really
sophisticated. Especially if you

1479
01:36:05,190 --> 01:36:08,160
can couple it with like a cigar
or something like that. Oh,

1480
01:36:08,160 --> 01:36:09,210
can't do the cigars

1481
01:36:12,360 --> 01:36:14,280
incredible. Yeah, but

1482
01:36:15,570 --> 01:36:16,950
fortunately, drumming is enough

1483
01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:22,740
of enough exercise that I'm you
know, I'm not 300 pounds or

1484
01:36:22,740 --> 01:36:23,550
anything like that.

1485
01:36:24,570 --> 01:36:29,550
I do get out try to it's a mile
around my block. So I'll try to

1486
01:36:29,550 --> 01:36:33,210
get out and walk that it was
nice out like I got out and did

1487
01:36:33,210 --> 01:36:33,420
it

1488
01:36:34,860 --> 01:36:39,240
this morning. Nice before the
rain started. Yeah. So just try

1489
01:36:39,240 --> 01:36:42,540
to get out get nature a little
bit. Always try to go out walk

1490
01:36:42,540 --> 01:36:45,750
around. Yeah, you know, there
was every soundcheck. sure

1491
01:36:45,810 --> 01:36:48,360
everyone's like throwing this
term grounding around where you

1492
01:36:48,360 --> 01:36:51,060
got to take your shoes off, you
got your bare feet, and you got

1493
01:36:51,060 --> 01:36:55,110
to put your feet on the earth in
some grass. And apparently,

1494
01:36:55,110 --> 01:36:58,800
there's some sort of a
physiological metaphysical

1495
01:36:58,800 --> 01:37:02,190
transformation that happens when
you do this on a regular basis.

1496
01:37:02,280 --> 01:37:04,890
And I'm like, All right, cool,
you know, because I try to check

1497
01:37:04,890 --> 01:37:09,030
all the boxes, you know,
hydration, supplementation,

1498
01:37:09,300 --> 01:37:14,130
flexibility, mobility, you know,
muscle tone, heart health, like

1499
01:37:14,130 --> 01:37:18,390
I work at it like a frickin job.
So like, sometimes if I do, I

1500
01:37:18,390 --> 01:37:21,150
got a choice between sitting
down on a practice pad. And I

1501
01:37:21,150 --> 01:37:24,030
know how to do paradox, right,
we've got the muscle memory. But

1502
01:37:24,120 --> 01:37:28,110
if I want to still play rock and
roll drums, the way I play, I

1503
01:37:28,110 --> 01:37:30,480
want to make sure that I can go
work out.

1504
01:37:33,180 --> 01:37:35,760
That's why I just kind of ask
because you know, we're, we're

1505
01:37:35,760 --> 01:37:39,930
now Men of a Certain Age. Hey,
listen, I can't I can't kind of

1506
01:37:39,930 --> 01:37:45,480
get behind the the feet in the
grass thing. Yeah. Only because

1507
01:37:45,510 --> 01:37:49,800
the feet on the beach thing has
always gotten me since I was a

1508
01:37:49,800 --> 01:37:52,680
kid. Yeah, it still does.

1509
01:37:55,110 --> 01:38:00,060
So that's, I can get that I got
behind that big time. So my

1510
01:38:00,060 --> 01:38:02,490
version of experimenting with
VoiceOver was, you know, going

1511
01:38:02,490 --> 01:38:05,190
out to Los Angeles and studying
acting, I figured like, well, I

1512
01:38:05,190 --> 01:38:08,790
can go out to a strip mall and
Smyrna and take an acting class

1513
01:38:08,790 --> 01:38:12,810
with a bunch of kids. Or I can
go to Hollywood where everyone

1514
01:38:12,810 --> 01:38:15,840
is a waiter. And people actually
want to get on Grey's Anatomy,

1515
01:38:15,840 --> 01:38:18,540
and I'm probably going to get
much better. So I you know, me,

1516
01:38:18,540 --> 01:38:20,940
if I'm going to do something,
I'm going to do it 100%. So I go

1517
01:38:20,940 --> 01:38:24,450
out there, I do that grind for
six years. If I had a day where

1518
01:38:24,450 --> 01:38:27,750
I was just I needed a break, I
drive my ass to Malibu park the

1519
01:38:27,750 --> 01:38:32,130
car along the Pacific Coast
Highway and get my foot in the

1520
01:38:32,130 --> 01:38:35,340
sand and then the sun would set
there'd be this beautiful. The

1521
01:38:35,340 --> 01:38:38,550
waves are crashing your feeder
in the sand, cotton candy

1522
01:38:38,550 --> 01:38:41,970
sunset, you're looking at the
topography there of Malibu and

1523
01:38:41,970 --> 01:38:46,770
all those stars in their glass
and Adobe homes and then use the

1524
01:38:46,770 --> 01:38:50,820
city lights come up and it was
just like, so relaxing and cool.

1525
01:38:50,820 --> 01:38:54,180
Yep. You know? And then you
would go back to the grind the

1526
01:38:54,180 --> 01:38:59,340
next day. Yeah, you know, little
less less for where, you know.

1527
01:38:59,400 --> 01:39:02,580
Yeah. A little bit less of
aware. So listen, I like to end

1528
01:39:02,610 --> 01:39:05,400
here. We didn't talk about Pat
McDonald. But

1529
01:39:06,450 --> 01:39:10,650
that guy, he was kind of he was
our graduating class and he

1530
01:39:10,650 --> 01:39:14,070
right away. We're like, God,
who's the weckl that just who's

1531
01:39:14,070 --> 01:39:18,180
the bald wacko, you know, he was
so precise. Every time I would

1532
01:39:18,180 --> 01:39:21,060
describe pass playing as like,
let's wait for this guy to come

1533
01:39:21,060 --> 01:39:26,280
up and play. He is a surgeon. He
is surgical. Yep.

1534
01:39:27,540 --> 01:39:32,100
Yeah, I remember the first time
he sat in it 16th Avenue. I

1535
01:39:32,100 --> 01:39:34,830
don't know if you were in the
room or not. Or Jim was, but I

1536
01:39:34,830 --> 01:39:36,930
remember the room stopped. Yeah,
like,

1537
01:39:38,490 --> 01:39:43,080
holy shit, you know. And he's
like, blown over a vamp or

1538
01:39:43,080 --> 01:39:45,870
something. I believe, you know,
yeah, they gave him a chorus,

1539
01:39:45,900 --> 01:39:50,430
which, you know, I would get
lost because I you know, and you

1540
01:39:50,430 --> 01:39:54,690
guys can count your heads that
stuff. Yeah, the form. Oh, yeah.

1541
01:39:54,930 --> 01:39:55,680
It just

1542
01:39:56,730 --> 01:39:59,760
floored me. He was the perfect
drummer for Charlie.

1543
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:03,120
He was I mean, honestly, if you
don't get a guy play with Troy

1544
01:40:03,120 --> 01:40:07,800
Daniels, that's the guy. Yeah.
And then Ron Galloway came after

1545
01:40:07,800 --> 01:40:11,340
me did a great job too. Yeah.
Oh, Ron's awesome. Like Ron was

1546
01:40:11,340 --> 01:40:14,970
awesome. I haven't seen Ron
forever. He was a I'm sure if

1547
01:40:14,970 --> 01:40:18,630
same as you but he was that just
very another supportive guy was

1548
01:40:18,630 --> 01:40:22,710
like, Yeah, welcome to town kid,
dad. Good luck. Here's my

1549
01:40:22,710 --> 01:40:26,550
number, you know, and I'd
already known who he was from

1550
01:40:26,550 --> 01:40:30,990
seeing him on TV with Steve
Warner. Right. Oh, that's that

1551
01:40:30,990 --> 01:40:34,860
guy. You know? And, you know, he
had already made his bones by

1552
01:40:34,860 --> 01:40:39,510
the time we already we were
here. Yeah, man. Hey, so usually

1553
01:40:39,510 --> 01:40:42,690
we'll end this thing with the
favorite five and I'll ask you

1554
01:40:42,690 --> 01:40:46,830
five of your favorite things.
Your favorite color? Every color

1555
01:40:46,830 --> 01:40:50,760
blue. Okay, that'd be good. To
get some some blue and greens

1556
01:40:50,760 --> 01:40:51,540
man do you ever have.

1557
01:40:52,890 --> 01:40:58,350
Even though I do not have a blue
drum set. I did have a blue

1558
01:40:58,350 --> 01:41:03,630
marble AR kit that Ray made me
in the 90s. That was black and

1559
01:41:03,630 --> 01:41:06,750
blue marble. They had the red
marble was in the ads.

1560
01:41:07,770 --> 01:41:10,710
And out of the blue marble sight
unseen. I still had the snare

1561
01:41:10,710 --> 01:41:17,220
drum. But I traded that kit for
my Yamaha absolut hybrid maples.

1562
01:41:18,000 --> 01:41:21,690
And that's when I went to like
black and dark drum sets like

1563
01:41:21,690 --> 01:41:25,320
you. Yeah, they go with
everything. It's like wearing a

1564
01:41:25,320 --> 01:41:30,750
tuxedo on stage. It's never
gonna get old classic. So that

1565
01:41:30,750 --> 01:41:34,830
I've got the classic walnut for
the recording customers back

1566
01:41:34,860 --> 01:41:39,630
beautiful maps here and I'm
staring at a set of cherry red

1567
01:41:39,630 --> 01:41:44,910
long turret. Dave Weckl era
recording custom drums. Oh,

1568
01:41:44,910 --> 01:41:48,360
yeah. Oh, they're not set up.
But they're, they're stacked up.

1569
01:41:48,360 --> 01:41:51,480
And so if somebody wants that
sound, you know, I could drag it

1570
01:41:51,480 --> 01:41:54,390
over and mic it up. But
everybody's got to have one of

1571
01:41:54,390 --> 01:41:58,230
those drum sets, you know, and
the good news is they will keep

1572
01:41:58,230 --> 01:42:02,760
their value. They do they
really, really do, man. So

1573
01:42:02,760 --> 01:42:03,750
that's your favorite color.

1574
01:42:04,800 --> 01:42:08,700
Blue is my favorite color. Yeah.
Favorite food or dish? Oh,

1575
01:42:09,300 --> 01:42:12,930
probably steak. Yeah. steak or
seafood.

1576
01:42:14,070 --> 01:42:18,120
So you'd be set in Vegas at the
you know the buffets? Oh, yeah.

1577
01:42:18,360 --> 01:42:22,080
Yeah. Or any surf and turf
places halfway decent. I like me

1578
01:42:22,080 --> 01:42:26,070
some surf and turf man. favorite
drink? It could be you know,

1579
01:42:26,100 --> 01:42:28,350
you're trying to get off the
hard stuff. So

1580
01:42:30,420 --> 01:42:36,270
either coffee or probably for
soda. Sundrop Sundrop. Yeah,

1581
01:42:36,510 --> 01:42:38,490
yeah. Now that's man.

1582
01:42:39,840 --> 01:42:43,410
Well, it's not as much as
Mountain Dew. And the guy who

1583
01:42:43,410 --> 01:42:46,890
taught me how to play drums that
lived next door to me. His

1584
01:42:47,010 --> 01:42:51,360
family owned the independent
barley company in our town.

1585
01:42:51,660 --> 01:42:56,280
Yeah. So it was around Sundrop
Okay, that's very good, man. How

1586
01:42:56,280 --> 01:42:58,320
about what about your now this
is?

1587
01:42:59,370 --> 01:43:02,280
This is difficult for a lot of
people could your favorite song

1588
01:43:02,280 --> 01:43:06,630
if this comes on the radio
without fail? during your

1589
01:43:06,630 --> 01:43:10,230
lifetime? You're gonna crank
that sucker up? Oh,

1590
01:43:11,400 --> 01:43:15,660
the one that just I don't know
why it jumps forward so quickly.

1591
01:43:15,990 --> 01:43:19,470
But just because it always makes
me feel great. Rock and roll

1592
01:43:19,470 --> 01:43:24,420
doctor by little feet. Okay.
Yes. There's something about

1593
01:43:24,420 --> 01:43:27,570
that song. And there's something
about that band. That if I was

1594
01:43:27,570 --> 01:43:30,900
ever in a bad mood, or something
was going weird. I could put

1595
01:43:30,900 --> 01:43:33,480
little feet on and I'd feel
better. There's just something

1596
01:43:33,510 --> 01:43:40,170
up about that band. Yeah, you
know, man, and favorite movie.

1597
01:43:40,350 --> 01:43:41,340
You're gonna watch it.

1598
01:43:42,900 --> 01:43:46,740
Even if it's in the middle. Oh,
God, Your God the last 20

1599
01:43:46,740 --> 01:43:49,320
minutes. You're like, sorry,
sweetie. I got to finish

1600
01:43:49,320 --> 01:43:54,090
watching this. Oh, oh, you've
opened up a because that's one

1601
01:43:54,090 --> 01:43:58,590
of my other loves is movies and
books. And you know, there's

1602
01:43:58,590 --> 01:44:02,130
music. Like I was listened to.
One of my favorite things with

1603
01:44:02,130 --> 01:44:06,150
Apple music right now is the
Discovery Channel. You know,

1604
01:44:06,150 --> 01:44:10,440
like you have the your favorite
mix or whatever. There's the

1605
01:44:10,440 --> 01:44:13,680
discovery mix, which is stuff
you've never heard on but it's

1606
01:44:13,680 --> 01:44:18,540
based on your, your timeline or
whatever. Yeah, I've heard so

1607
01:44:18,540 --> 01:44:21,210
much stuff that I've never heard
before that I love.

1608
01:44:22,260 --> 01:44:26,010
So that's, you know, sidenote
favorite movie.

1609
01:44:27,480 --> 01:44:28,290
Oh, gosh.

1610
01:44:29,760 --> 01:44:33,510
Recently in primary killers of
the flower Moon, I got to see

1611
01:44:34,830 --> 01:44:38,910
it man. I'm such a Scorsese
Tarantino

1612
01:44:39,960 --> 01:44:45,810
Christopher Nolan. You know big
big visuals fan? Yeah, so

1613
01:44:45,810 --> 01:44:47,940
Oppenheimer's. Great. Oh,

1614
01:44:49,110 --> 01:44:52,170
there would be blood is a good
one. Oh, it's so dark.

1615
01:44:53,580 --> 01:44:54,750
Yeah, but I like

1616
01:44:56,280 --> 01:44:58,680
I like stuff. That's art. Then
on the other side, you got like

1617
01:44:58,680 --> 01:44:59,970
Anchorman and walk.

1618
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:05,250
Hard, or hey, tap Anchorman
through a period where we knew

1619
01:45:05,340 --> 01:45:10,650
how to quote every line from
that movie. Oh, for sure. Office

1620
01:45:10,650 --> 01:45:15,300
space was another bus movie that
same way. Yeah. You know, so I

1621
01:45:15,300 --> 01:45:18,540
can't wait for Spinal Tap to
which they're, they're filming

1622
01:45:18,540 --> 01:45:20,970
now. I can't wait to see it
there because everyone is so

1623
01:45:20,970 --> 01:45:23,910
much more advanced than age.
They're like Philippe 30 or 35

1624
01:45:23,910 --> 01:45:26,580
years older. Yeah, but

1625
01:45:27,960 --> 01:45:30,870
somehow friends was, you know,
people were friends on Facebook,

1626
01:45:30,870 --> 01:45:33,660
even though they've never met.
But your friends by association,

1627
01:45:33,660 --> 01:45:37,500
the music? Yeah. So I'm friends
with CJ advanced and the

1628
01:45:37,500 --> 01:45:40,650
keyboard player from there. And
he's,

1629
01:45:41,790 --> 01:45:43,110
yeah, hilarious.

1630
01:45:44,490 --> 01:45:47,010
And he posted something about
them during rehearsal. And I

1631
01:45:47,550 --> 01:45:52,020
wrote under his timeline that
hey, if there's ever if there's

1632
01:45:52,020 --> 01:45:54,240
a bid for tremors, auditioning

1633
01:45:55,320 --> 01:45:59,940
inspired asset I want in Yes, I
want the original to explode.

1634
01:46:00,270 --> 01:46:05,430
Oh, because the original God did
pass away. Rick Parnell did pass

1635
01:46:05,430 --> 01:46:09,000
away a couple years ago, rest
his soul. I had actually written

1636
01:46:09,000 --> 01:46:12,540
him back and forth being a fan
of that movie. And, and

1637
01:46:12,540 --> 01:46:14,700
honestly, he's playing he played
with a bunch of different

1638
01:46:14,700 --> 01:46:15,780
people. And Todd

1639
01:46:16,920 --> 01:46:21,120
has done it. Yeah, I think it'd
be a funny bit to have that in

1640
01:46:21,120 --> 01:46:24,600
the movie. And then all the
drummers have to sign a release.

1641
01:46:24,900 --> 01:46:27,630
You know, if they're gonna die,
right.

1642
01:46:29,010 --> 01:46:33,630
My family will not sue Spinal
Tap Inc. If I die. Yeah, yeah.

1643
01:46:36,000 --> 01:46:39,270
That's a good. That's so many
different specialists. Favorite

1644
01:46:39,270 --> 01:46:42,900
Movies, Robo cops, another one.
Okay, that's probably what

1645
01:46:42,900 --> 01:46:45,990
they're gonna remake any time
now because it's easier for the

1646
01:46:45,990 --> 01:46:49,440
studios. They own the rights to
these movies, it's cheaper for

1647
01:46:49,440 --> 01:46:54,900
them to remake them then buy the
access to new content. Right?

1648
01:46:55,110 --> 01:46:59,700
Yeah. Which I get the economical
side of it, but I'd rather see

1649
01:46:59,700 --> 01:47:04,470
the artistic side. You know, I
know Petey Anderson's making

1650
01:47:04,470 --> 01:47:07,410
another movie. And of course,
Tarantino has got his last one

1651
01:47:07,560 --> 01:47:10,890
coming in whatever that is.
Yeah. There's another one once

1652
01:47:10,890 --> 01:47:16,110
upon a time in Hollywood, or
Jackie Brown, strong. Oh, I'm a

1653
01:47:16,110 --> 01:47:17,190
movie. I'm a geek.

1654
01:47:18,270 --> 01:47:20,040
Well, they all we've all got
that thing happening that you

1655
01:47:20,040 --> 01:47:21,870
mentioned books. Now. You're
talking like fiction,

1656
01:47:21,870 --> 01:47:26,400
nonfiction. I'm a little bit of
both right now. I'm reading

1657
01:47:26,400 --> 01:47:30,870
Geddy Lee's book my epic life.
Getting through the third shot.

1658
01:47:30,900 --> 01:47:35,700
Have you read it yet? At all?
Not yet. Okay. The third chapter

1659
01:47:35,700 --> 01:47:41,340
is all about his family and the
Holocaust. Oh, wow. So and and

1660
01:47:41,340 --> 01:47:46,050
their time in the concentration
camps of Germany. So that was a

1661
01:47:46,050 --> 01:47:49,830
little Yeah, that was a little
tough to get through. Having a

1662
01:47:49,830 --> 01:47:55,050
dad who fought in World War Two.
And I have visited Dachau before

1663
01:47:55,170 --> 01:48:00,270
any battle yet. And it's really
eerie. You know, there's like

1664
01:48:00,270 --> 01:48:02,940
the smells still there. Stuff
like that. Boy.

1665
01:48:04,080 --> 01:48:06,090
So I'm reading that. I've got

1666
01:48:07,710 --> 01:48:13,350
the Jeff ACARA book on my table.
That Robin flans did yeah, she's

1667
01:48:13,350 --> 01:48:17,460
already got a second one coming
out. Yeah, I saw that. Yeah. The

1668
01:48:17,460 --> 01:48:21,720
Rick Rubin book, which was
pretty cool. Okay. And then I've

1669
01:48:21,720 --> 01:48:25,500
got to ask our book I keep
meaning to finish called. He

1670
01:48:25,500 --> 01:48:27,630
crashed me. So I crashed him
back.

1671
01:48:29,100 --> 01:48:32,760
That's a funny. That's a funny
title. Oh, that's true in

1672
01:48:32,760 --> 01:48:35,280
NASCAR. I mean, if you watch any
race, you know, somebody bumps

1673
01:48:35,280 --> 01:48:39,120
one other one. Rabins racing,
and they're gonna or if they

1674
01:48:39,120 --> 01:48:43,260
wreck them, they'll get revenge
next week. Yeah. So Wow. Okay,

1675
01:48:43,260 --> 01:48:45,870
so this is the moral of the
story is I've got some books to

1676
01:48:45,870 --> 01:48:49,530
read. And yeah, don't don't
forget about reading rich. You

1677
01:48:49,530 --> 01:48:52,890
know what I mean? You can just
get back into it two man.

1678
01:48:53,490 --> 01:48:56,910
degrees by degrees in English.
So I didn't I read a lot during

1679
01:48:56,910 --> 01:48:59,850
college. Yeah. English
literature, right. English

1680
01:48:59,850 --> 01:49:03,420
literature. Yeah. Yeah. And then
almost taught high school until

1681
01:49:03,420 --> 01:49:05,580
I went observed. And I went, No,
I do.

1682
01:49:07,050 --> 01:49:10,320
Take it from me as someone who,
you know, has taught K through

1683
01:49:10,320 --> 01:49:12,660
12 as a substitute teacher.

1684
01:49:14,100 --> 01:49:18,480
Patience is a virtue, and you
spend 90% of your time doing

1685
01:49:18,480 --> 01:49:22,050
classroom management. And you
know, it's it's very it's very

1686
01:49:22,050 --> 01:49:25,650
difficult very frustrating.
Teachers don't get paid dear and

1687
01:49:26,430 --> 01:49:31,170
my god Oh, they do not. And it's
it's not a good thing, man. No,

1688
01:49:31,590 --> 01:49:31,980
that's not

1689
01:49:33,150 --> 01:49:37,380
let me tell you what, man I am
so proud of you. And likewise,

1690
01:49:37,380 --> 01:49:40,590
man, we're all right. That's
incredible to be looking at you

1691
01:49:40,620 --> 01:49:45,300
and be you know, 26 years down
the line and you've got this

1692
01:49:46,500 --> 01:49:50,040
body of work here. You played
with all these people and

1693
01:49:50,040 --> 01:49:52,890
brought help them bring their
dreams to fruition, help their

1694
01:49:53,370 --> 01:49:55,830
you know, bring their music to
the people and music changes

1695
01:49:55,830 --> 01:49:57,450
lives. And

1696
01:49:58,620 --> 01:49:59,970
you did it and you bought it.

1697
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:04,980
House and you've got a balanced
life and you're happy and it's

1698
01:50:04,980 --> 01:50:08,970
awesome, man. Well, your thing
like what was your focus to be a

1699
01:50:08,970 --> 01:50:13,620
studio guy when you moved? No, I
just wanted to take any work and

1700
01:50:13,620 --> 01:50:16,860
I knew that I loved teaching. I
loved it. I loved recording and

1701
01:50:16,860 --> 01:50:20,370
I loved touring, so I was just
gonna say yes to everything.

1702
01:50:20,460 --> 01:50:24,720
Okay? Like my thing was, I want
somebody to pay me for me to see

1703
01:50:24,720 --> 01:50:25,770
part of the world.

1704
01:50:26,970 --> 01:50:30,000
Oh, yeah, my Yeah, my mantra was
I want to hear myself on the

1705
01:50:30,000 --> 01:50:32,730
radio see myself on television
and travel the world on someone

1706
01:50:32,730 --> 01:50:36,960
else's dime I wrote that down as
a purpose statement. And that's

1707
01:50:36,960 --> 01:50:39,360
a great one too. Man did the
same thing bro.

1708
01:50:41,430 --> 01:50:45,240
Just in my head. Yeah. I was
like a pinball bouncing off his

1709
01:50:45,240 --> 01:50:48,450
shit like Okay, let's try this.
Let's try this you know? Yeah,

1710
01:50:48,450 --> 01:50:51,120
it always landed and you just
stayed busy and you're still in

1711
01:50:51,120 --> 01:50:54,180
the game and still learning the
day that we stop learning is the

1712
01:50:54,180 --> 01:50:59,430
day that we we die. That's
that's for sure. freely. really

1713
01:50:59,430 --> 01:51:03,630
true. Yeah, man. Incredible. So
we'll have to do is we will have

1714
01:51:03,630 --> 01:51:08,610
to get finally get into the same
room at the same time in real

1715
01:51:08,610 --> 01:51:13,080
time. And break some bread man.
I hope we get to do it this

1716
01:51:13,080 --> 01:51:15,720
year. Y'all have gotten to be on
one of those dates, I hope.

1717
01:51:15,960 --> 01:51:18,060
Well, I don't even want to do it
backstage one of those things. I

1718
01:51:18,060 --> 01:51:20,610
just want to go somewhere where
you and I can have two hours and

1719
01:51:20,610 --> 01:51:24,630
we could just like just be in
each other's presence. Well, let

1720
01:51:24,630 --> 01:51:27,270
me know. I'm around Powell. I
will make it happen. We'll make

1721
01:51:27,270 --> 01:51:29,040
it happen this year. You know,
like I said, it's pretty pretty,

1722
01:51:29,400 --> 01:51:32,100
relatively late schedule for
this first six months. Our new

1723
01:51:32,100 --> 01:51:37,110
model is that we tour every June
to October so we do about 50

1724
01:51:37,110 --> 01:51:40,740
shows between June and October.
You guys are paying through the

1725
01:51:40,740 --> 01:51:44,070
year that right? Thank you
Jesus.

1726
01:51:47,790 --> 01:51:49,110
Thank you sweet Jesus.

1727
01:51:50,220 --> 01:51:52,710
Awesome, buddy. We'll have to
get together and to all the

1728
01:51:52,710 --> 01:51:55,800
listeners out there. You want to
keep in touch with li li le

1729
01:51:55,800 --> 01:52:01,320
that's ke ll e y on drums li
Kelly on drums.com great

1730
01:52:02,100 --> 01:52:05,970
website. You're on your socials.
It looks like this. I just got

1731
01:52:05,970 --> 01:52:09,840
things from Primark. Oh, that's
your sig stick. Look at that.

1732
01:52:10,140 --> 01:52:14,190
Well, it's their forward five
A's with with my name on them. I

1733
01:52:14,190 --> 01:52:17,460
liked I liked the forward
balance as well, man. Yeah, I

1734
01:52:17,460 --> 01:52:20,460
do. And you're in Evans guy as
well. Aren't you? Know, I've

1735
01:52:20,460 --> 01:52:27,150
been a remote remote guy to
1995. Okay, grazie. I couldn't

1736
01:52:27,150 --> 01:52:30,720
remember if you were both or if
you were Remo and I know you're

1737
01:52:30,720 --> 01:52:33,840
a pro Bart. Well, I knew I
wanted to go, you know, and when

1738
01:52:33,840 --> 01:52:36,660
I ended up hooking up with
GrowMark it was because I had a

1739
01:52:36,660 --> 01:52:39,720
friend there that I knew my
calls would be answered. So

1740
01:52:40,890 --> 01:52:43,920
it was a regal tip guy and then
a Johnny rap guy and then a

1741
01:52:43,920 --> 01:52:44,880
PROMAR guy,

1742
01:52:45,900 --> 01:52:48,450
Johnny Reb six. This was good
stuff though. That was good

1743
01:52:48,450 --> 01:52:52,530
stuff, man. Yeah, he his office
what used to be where the drum

1744
01:52:52,530 --> 01:52:54,720
pad is now, which is the
teaching filled facility

1745
01:52:54,720 --> 01:52:57,630
connected to drum paradise,
which is pretty crazy. So are

1746
01:52:57,630 --> 01:53:00,210
you open to do some teaching or
consultations or people moving

1747
01:53:00,210 --> 01:53:02,460
to town, they want to ask
questions. How do I do it like

1748
01:53:02,460 --> 01:53:06,480
you did it? Lee? I'm open to
that. I mean, I don't know what

1749
01:53:06,480 --> 01:53:12,570
I would teach as far as drumming
goes because of my limited

1750
01:53:12,570 --> 01:53:16,080
education in it. The only thing
I can do is go here's what I

1751
01:53:16,080 --> 01:53:19,680
did. That's great. Sometimes
that's all you need the past.

1752
01:53:20,190 --> 01:53:23,220
Make sure you play in time. Make
sure you can play a shuffle.

1753
01:53:23,940 --> 01:53:28,260
Make sure you're not late. She
show up. No it rehearse at home.

1754
01:53:28,800 --> 01:53:33,690
Yeah. Well, the Shuffle was the
key for your key to entry into

1755
01:53:33,690 --> 01:53:36,330
the castle. That's how you got
the Gary Allen job and all you

1756
01:53:36,330 --> 01:53:38,970
need is one job and then people
start to talk and then before

1757
01:53:38,970 --> 01:53:43,170
you know it, you've had 20 jobs.
So great work. Learn the shuffle

1758
01:53:43,170 --> 01:53:46,770
kids. Oh, Lee, thanks for being
here, man. Thanks for having me,

1759
01:53:46,770 --> 01:53:50,160
pal. It's been a joy. So
casually pleasure to do this.

1760
01:53:50,220 --> 01:53:53,100
Oh, God, man, you really, really
inspired me as well. And to all

1761
01:53:53,100 --> 01:53:55,290
the listeners out there, and to
my friend Jim McCarthy, Jim

1762
01:53:55,290 --> 01:53:58,440
McCarthy voice overs.com. Maybe
he'll be along for the ride on

1763
01:53:58,440 --> 01:54:03,780
the next one. Until then be sure
to subscribe, share rate review

1764
01:54:03,780 --> 01:54:07,140
and helps people find the
podcast and we'll be here. We're

1765
01:54:07,140 --> 01:54:10,890
always here. We'll see you next
time. Thanks, Lee. See you

1766
01:54:10,890 --> 01:54:15,900
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1767
01:54:15,900 --> 01:54:20,310
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