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♪ Got a good thing coming, and it's all I need ♪

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♪ Everything I wanted ♪

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All right, here we are.

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Welcome back to the show.

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We had some technical difficulties there,

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which we apologize for,

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but it looks like we're good to go now.

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So, welcome.

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We got Anton Sim and myself.

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I'm Bondor.

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I've jack of all trades, master of none.

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Been around Bitcoin for a while.

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Anton, what's your,

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you butchered the pronunciation of my name.

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I say Anton Sim, but it's all good.

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Yeah, I'm a filmmaker, cinematographer, Bitcoiner.

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Cool.

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So, today we wanted to talk about taxes,

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because they are relevant.

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We got tax day in America on Monday the 14th.

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And yeah, one of the things that really just kind of,

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just immediately off the bat is we had,

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and we've seen this a lot, obviously,

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because of ChatGPT and AI and everything.

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The immediate thing about taxes is that,

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as you were describing,

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there's all these problems and weird things

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about the tax code and everything else,

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and you just kind of have AI to be like,

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oh, well, what does this mean?

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What is the situation here?

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Oh, okay, here it is.

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You don't need any of the absurdity of it.

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Okay, so AI.

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AI affects taxes.

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That's interesting, that's cool.

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But how does Bitcoin affect taxes?

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How does Bitcoin, like, and we can talk big picture

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to granular stuff and to the whole thing.

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I mean, we've both got tons and tons of stories about,

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you know, I was a trader at some point,

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so I was like, oh yeah, my taxes is literally

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not hundreds of pages.

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I knew traders who had hundreds of pages of PNLs,

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but pages of PNL.

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And he was like, this is kind of interesting.

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We can like, somebody who really wants to do it

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could just DDoS the IRS on this stuff.

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And it just goes.

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So, Anton.

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Anton, what's your take here?

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Hot take.

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My hot take is that taxes are completely unnecessary

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and the IRS is 100% unnecessary

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and taxes only exist to punish you

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and keep you subservient.

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And even though we have a graduated income tax,

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first of all, nobody should have to pay tax,

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but anybody that has an income that's not super high

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absolutely shouldn't pay tax

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because their taxes don't do anything.

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I don't know what the exact stats are,

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but I'm pretty sure that the richest 1%

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pay the majority of taxes or something like that,

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or corporations, businesses that make a profit.

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The amount they pay in taxes is so much higher

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than what individuals pay.

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But if you're an individual,

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the pain that you experience every year

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paying 25, 30, 40% of your income in income taxes,

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money that you could be either putting in the market

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or deploying on things that you need,

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it's insanely painful.

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And on top of that, the other thing about it

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is it's incredibly time consuming

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because you prepare your taxes yourself.

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You're responsible for keeping your own books.

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You're responsible for reporting all of your own taxes.

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And it's just a gigantic waste of time.

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And then you were saying that with AI,

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that AI can basically do your taxes for you

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or tell you what you owe in tax.

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Here's the crazy thing.

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If you go to a CPA and you give your CPA your taxes,

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he's gonna give you a number that you owe.

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If you take your same taxes to another CPA,

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you'd think two professionals

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are gonna get the same number.

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No, almost never.

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What do you really owe in taxes

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if two professionals can't come up with the same number?

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What is the real number?

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Yeah, you submit it to the IRS and they're like,

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actually, nope, you owe a different number.

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Yeah.

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Ridiculous.

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What's interesting about AI though

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is AI is so objective that if you take your books

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and perfectly input it into the AI,

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the AI can tell you how to do your taxes

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if taxes are completely unfair

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and shouldn't exist in the first place.

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But let's just say for this conversation

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that somehow they are fair and they actually do something.

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If you put that same documentation into AI,

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it's objectively going to tell you the truth.

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It's gonna tell you what you actually owe.

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And that's where we are now.

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That's the world that we're existing in now.

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So on our side, it's great

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because you have this time-saving thing,

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the AI that can essentially do your bookkeeping for you.

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On the more negative side,

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the IRS also has the same capability

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of knowing exactly how much they can extort from you in taxes.

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So it goes both ways, unfortunately.

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The thing that specifically related to Bitcoin,

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the thing that really has me going,

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it's like, yes, this is it,

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is the idea that

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all of our modern economy

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is kind of predicated on our nation-state system

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where, oh, this nation has these borders

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and under these borders, you have these rules

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and you have to pay these taxes

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and you have to participate in this particular version

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of society and reality and there's that, right?

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So with Bitcoin, and most of that's just predicated

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on the fact that fiat exists

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and it exists in the way that it exists.

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So if you have a currency that is only defendable

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if everybody uses it at the threat of violence,

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if you only ever use it at the threat of violence,

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well, then you're gonna have great taxes

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because everyone's, they already know that,

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like, okay, well, the only reason this has money

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or has value anyway, the only reason it works

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is because, well, we have aircraft carriers,

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so what are we gonna do about it?

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But the second, the game theory

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and the system of money itself changes, i.e. Bitcoin,

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it becomes more, well, it doesn't matter

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how many aircraft carriers you have,

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you're never gonna be able to shut down Bitcoin

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and you're never gonna be able to,

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because it's information, you're never gonna be able

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to stop somebody from using Bitcoin

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or transferring Bitcoin to anywhere in the world

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and so you have this incredible,

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there's no exit tax, if you will, right?

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It's just, I mean, there is still, of course,

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because the law enforcement, the long arm of the law

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reaches across borders, but people will go

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through the legal ways to get out of it

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and all the incentives change.

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Oh, you're muted, I think.

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Don't tell the IRS that there's no exit tax.

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They absolutely think that there's an exit tax,

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but the reality as a Bitcoiner,

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especially if you have non-KYC Bitcoin,

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is there's no exit tax for you if you just do it.

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I'm not recommending that anybody do that.

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I'm not saying, eh, I kind of am recommending

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that you do that.

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I'm not saying break the law.

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I'm just saying you kind of can't help it.

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If you came upon your Bitcoin in some way

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that there's no record of you having it,

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which is very easy to do, let's say you paid cash for it

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or somebody gave it to you as a gift or whatever

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and it went from a hardware wallet to a hardware wallet,

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there's no record that you have that Bitcoin.

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So if you go to another country

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with an incredible amount of wealth,

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could be a million dollars, could be a billion dollars,

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and you spend it in that country,

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that country may put a sales tax or a value-added tax

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on the thing that you buy,

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but it's up to you to report that to the United States

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if you're a United States citizen

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that you took money to some other country.

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But the reality is that doesn't really exist anymore.

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It only exists if you voluntarily decide to do that.

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Yeah.

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And the consequences of that are that nation-states

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are gonna have a harder and harder time enforcing tax code.

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People are going to recognize this

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and there's gonna be a fork in the road

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where the lawmakers essentially have to say,

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do we wanna double down on the violence

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to collect the taxes or do we wanna double down

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on being attractive to attract more taxes?

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And I mean, the violence is that it's just a no-win game

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for everybody, right?

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And everybody knows it's a no-win game for everybody.

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So, okay, sure, there's gonna be some countries that do that

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but really almost everybody's gonna push on,

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oh, we just need to be more attractive.

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And the consequences there are that all the tax codes,

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like we are at the apex, the highest tax,

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I don't know what the technical,

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percent is gonna be, but in your bones, you're like,

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hmm, isn't it interesting that our founding fathers

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like literally shut down and like they rebelled against,

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they rebelled against a kingdom

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for the purpose of paying whatever it was, a minuscule tax.

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Like 3%, it was essentially a 3% tariff.

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Yeah, and we are sitting here paying 40% taxes

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in some cases on our income.

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It's like, bro, that's more

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than an order of magnitude difference.

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Okay, so like, what are we talking about here?

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Like, this is potentially, we are potentially

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in the most taxed regime in human history.

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Like, I just wouldn't be surprised if that's the case.

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I haven't done the research, you could ask AI,

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but for real, it's like, wow, this is crazy, okay?

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And now that exists because all of our money

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and all of our systems and everything

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are essentially just predicated on violence.

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And when you're predicated on violence,

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well, you can just push on the lever

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and everyone essentially has to comply

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because like, what are you gonna do?

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The money is printed and it's all about control.

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And if you don't have the control,

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then you can't print the money

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because it doesn't have any value in the whole thing, right?

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Okay, so then Bitcoin reduces the tax code.

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It reduces just because of the incentives.

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Maybe it doesn't do it directly, right?

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But it does it, the world economy changes

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as people realize there's better money,

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all of these systems change

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and the whole thing gets affected.

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Now, what happens next, Anton?

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What happens next with Bitcoin making taxes better

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under that paradigm, under that framework?

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Well, taxes have not been necessary

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because the government can just print infinite money.

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They can just create money out of thin air.

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And so not only are you paying taxes,

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you're also getting a secret tax, which is inflation.

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When that is not a thing anymore,

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and I was gonna say this too,

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you were saying that we're the most heavily taxed

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that anybody in history ever has been.

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It's pretty much true.

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And I think that the highest tax for us,

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we live in California,

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is if you make over a certain amount of money,

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you're getting taxed about 50%

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because we have a 13% state income tax.

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We also have sales tax.

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Los Angeles just voted to increase the sales tax

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to close to 11%.

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And you're also paying property tax,

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both on the actual property if you own a house

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and business property,

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which I pay every single year on cameras that I have financed.

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In the past, there has been a flat tax,

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which is something that we don't have.

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So now you're penalized if you make a good income.

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Whereas in the past,

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you weren't allowed to be a citizen, essentially,

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unless you paid the flat tax.

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I don't even know what happened.

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You didn't pay the flat tax,

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you probably went to jail or got tortured.

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And so it essentially incentivized people

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to go out and make money so they could pay the flat tax.

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Now, people are being incentivized not to make money.

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People are being incentivized to go into poverty

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to where they will get social programs.

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They're being incentivized into socialism

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to where you have a split in society.

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The people who make insane wealth

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are the people who don't make any wealth

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and never gonna make any wealth

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and just wanna be given a little bit of free stuff.

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And those are the most subjugated people

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that could ever exist.

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So with Bitcoin, all of that goes away.

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It's called the welfare cliff.

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It's crazy, yeah.

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Yeah, so Bitcoin makes all of that go away.

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And when there is a Bitcoin standard,

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governments are going to have to earn revenue.

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People can pay voluntarily.

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They can live where they want to live, pay taxes.

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And government has to be really, really responsible

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about how they spend those funds

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because people are going to be incredibly demanding

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of how that money's spent.

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Because right now you pay taxes,

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you don't get anything for your taxes.

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Those taxes go to crony politicians

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who then essentially just extort the money,

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launder it somehow through their friends,

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and then get paid.

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And that's how politicians end up

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with $100 million net worths.

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And the real money, the revenue

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that the government is running off of

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is fake printed money that's causing inflation.

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With Bitcoin, the fake printed money goes away,

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the inflation goes away,

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and you really have to be careful

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about how you spend your money

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because it's a finite amount of money that you're spending.

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Yeah, and you don't get into the absurdities of,

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oh, well, because there's inflation,

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that means all these people are losing their jobs

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and can't afford housing.

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And then, well, because we have so many homeless people,

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we need to now put together all these homeless programs.

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But because all the money's broken anyway,

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and all those people, it's all just a grift anyway,

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and they're printing money

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and they're just giving the billions of the money

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to the homeless,

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the people who are leading the NGOs

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and other non-profits for bettering the homeless.

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And really, what they're doing is just channeling

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the printed money into their private bank accounts

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and no homeless people are getting homes,

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nobody's getting jobs,

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and it's just systemic corruption from the top down.

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I'm like, oh, well, of course taxes are gonna,

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like taxes are just a part of the whole thing.

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I just read a, I'm gonna have to find it,

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but it's a quote from St. Augustine

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from his City of God,

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and it's awesome, it's exactly this.

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Without justice, what else is a kingdom but a huge robbery?

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Oh, if you can print money,

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then you don't have a just money, it's just robbery.

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The whole thing is just robbery.

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All taxes are essentially what you were saying earlier,

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robbery, what are we doing here, right?

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Like this is all absurd.

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Yeah, yeah, you know, where we live,

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there is a, essentially we used to have

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crazy, crazy homeless encampments.

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Two things about that.

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One. Still do, yeah.

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Still do, two things about that.

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Number one, homelessness in California is incentivized

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because so much money is given to fight homelessness

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that it's created these organizations

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around fighting homelessness.

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The more homelessness there is, the more money they get,

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and that money goes to a top group of people

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who run these programs.

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And so, if homelessness went away,

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those people lose their incredibly high income.

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They want homelessness, they want more homelessness,

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the more homelessness, the more money.

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Another thing that happened in our neighborhood,

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they built what they call tiny home villages,

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which are a bunch of tough sheds.

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They took a parking lot that used to be used

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for kids' little league games on a Saturday,

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you'd have all the families come and park there.

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That doesn't even exist anymore.

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So now they took the parking lot,

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they put a ton of tough sheds,

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they moved most of the homeless encampment

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into these tough sheds,

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although now there's a homeless encampment

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and the tough shed encampment.

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I know there are people that sleep on my street outside

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who refuse to go sleep in the tough sheds

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because they just wanna do drugs all day long

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or they have too serious of a mental illness

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exacerbated by the drug use,

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and so they can't even be there.

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So now you have both the homeless encampments

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and you have the homeless tiny home village.

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But here's the thing about the tiny home village.

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Those tiny home villages,

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there was a no-bid contract awarded to private individuals

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to build that tiny home encampment.

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Who got that contract?

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I can tell you who got the contract,

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the friend of the city council member.

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And then that friend, what do they do?

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They give that city council member

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a couple of flights on a private jet,

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a vacation home, maybe a chalet in Switzerland

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or a house on a beach in the south of France,

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or just cash in a red envelope,

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which is Jose Huizar, I think,

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is the old city council member

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that used to be over northeast Los Angeles,

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literally went to federal prison

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for getting red envelopes of cash

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for giving essentially deals to Chinese developers.

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And he was the same city council member

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that was over that area.

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So every once in a while,

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they do make an example out of somebody,

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but there is a homeless industrial-

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Is he the guy who okayed the development

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of the Skyrise Tower?

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Like the three Skyrises downtown

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and one of them is just, it's just graffiti,

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all like floor 40 to floor whatever 20 is just graffiti.

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It's crazy.

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You guys got to see it if you haven't.

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That's nuts.

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I wanted to share my screen

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to read this tweet of Matt Walsh about the income tax,

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but I don't, I've never done it in this software.

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So I'm a little nervous to do it

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because I don't want to like dox my whole computer screen.

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Should I just try it?

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Yeah, give it a shot, man.

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What if I do image file?

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Oh, sweet.

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I can load the image file.

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Yeah, image file.

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There you go.

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All right, let me just do that real quick.

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That's a good way to do it.

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First, I'm going to have to save it.

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You know what?

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I'm just going to read it.

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Forget it.

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I'm just going to read it.

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So Matt Walsh just tweeted today.

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He said, getting rid of the income tax

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isn't just about money.

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It's about freedom.

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The IRS has access to everything.

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They can take as much of your money

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as they want whenever they want.

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If you don't pay up, they'll take your property.

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They can throw you in prison.

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The Bill of Rights basically doesn't apply to them.

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So how can we call ourself a free country

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when an unelected agency can confiscate your income

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and destroy your life?

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And then he goes on.

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So I'll tell you one thing that Bitcoin does.

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Bitcoin makes them not be able to take your money.

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They cannot confiscate your wealth.

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They can come and find you and have a warrant

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for your arrest and throw you in prison,

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but they can't just take your money.

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Whereas right now, if your money's in Wells Fargo

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or Bank of America or Chase.

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It's not your money.

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The IRS can literally just take your income.

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They can also garnish your wages

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so that when you get paid,

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the taxes go to them immediately

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so that you're working like a slave to the IRS.

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And there's a lot of people

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that are going through that right now.

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And why?

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Their taxes aren't being used for anything.

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It's strictly a punishment.

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Their taxes are being just misappropriated

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to pay for somebody's random endeavor of,

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oh yeah, well, we're gonna fund this homeless encampment,

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but really we're just giving kickbacks

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to our construction friends.

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It's mental.

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Yeah, it's corruption on the local level

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all the way up to the federal level.

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It's just-

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Well, it's on the federal level with the Fed

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going all the way down to the local.

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It's, oh, I wanna get into politics.

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I'm gonna be a community leader.

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And like, no, no, no, the way that you play this game

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is that you grease some palms

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or whatever the thing is, right?

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And then that's how you make it to the next level.

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And then grease some more palms, make it to the next level,

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grease some more palms,

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you get a little bit more dirty, right?

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Go to a little Epstein parties, make it to the next level,

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get a little bit more power.

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It's like the whole system is so broken.

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It's unbelievable.

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And the fact that it's broken should really,

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like you should understand how broken it is.

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Yeah.

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The next thing you should do is start looking for solutions.

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And there is only one solution and that's Bitcoin.

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And here we are, like Bitcoin exists because it exists.

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You can one, exit the system of insane slavery

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and corruption, which is just huge robbery.

00:21:40.359 --> 00:21:42.959
Like the whole system of America

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is essentially just robbery.

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And then start building your own system on top of that.

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Not on top of it, instead of it.

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Just go for it, do it.

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Yeah, there's an escape that exists right now.

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So if hearing that makes you mad,

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there's something that you can do about it now.

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10 years ago, it was going on.

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Lots of people knew about it

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and there was nothing they could do.

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People were buying gold.

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And I heard gold described by a coin shop owner

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as a quiet asset.

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There have been a lot of people,

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there have been a lot of demographics or ethnicities

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or people from certain countries

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who have always culturally liked to have gold

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and kind of like hide it and just have it.

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And they're wealthy and nobody knows that they're wealthy.

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And now there is something,

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but the problem with that is,

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and this has happened historically.

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Let's say you have a whole bunch of gold

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or a whole bunch of silver or something like that.

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And all of a sudden things get really bad wherever you are.

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There's like a fascist government

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that wants to take everything from you.

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And you're gonna go with your gold,

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you're gonna get robbed.

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It's all gonna be taken from you.

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Now you have a thing

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that you can literally store in your own head.

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You can remember 12 words.

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You can fly to another country with nothing on your body

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and you can type those into a phone

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and all of your wealth is restored to you.

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That exists.

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Exists today, presently.

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It exists.

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And the world changed

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and most people have no idea that the world changed.

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They don't know yet.

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So last night at the Bitcoin meetup we attend here in LA,

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the conversation went into a creature from Jekyll Island.

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You've read this one, yeah?

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He and Edward Griffin.

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Yeah.

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So ultimately his solution,

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he goes, he understands the problem,

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which to his credit,

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he does a great job understanding the problem, right?

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But his solution is just to be a gold bug

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and do literally,

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and then one of the things about that book

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that just kind of bothered me,

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I thought it was a fantastic read.

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Very entertaining.

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Some people will read that and be like,

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oh my gosh, it's the end of the world.

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How can this be so crazy and evil or whatever?

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For me as a Bitcoiner I'm like,

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this is great.

00:24:15.180 --> 00:24:16.540
This is just pure entertainment.

00:24:16.540 --> 00:24:19.260
I love it because I have hope that,

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and I have substantiated hope that all of it's just,

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like the whole system that was built is all corrupt

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and it's all gonna collapse

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and I have a path to seeing that happen.

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Now, there's a few things in that book that bother me.

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One, he advocates for gold as a solution.

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Just no, no, no.

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We have to have one-to-one gold-backed money.

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That's the only solution kind of like what we gotta do.

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I'm sure there's more nuance to it,

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so I'm probably butchering his exact stance on it.

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But you look at any cursory history of money,

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it's predicated on,

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the only reason we can have fiat

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is because we have banks storing things that are valuable.

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If you don't have the banks storing things

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that are valuable first,

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no one's gonna get on board with the violence

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because no one's gonna believe that the fiat is real.

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They're just gonna be like, no, there's nothing there.

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There's nothing to, there's no,

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there's no trade.

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There's like, yeah, you have to make sure

00:25:29.339 --> 00:25:30.739
that the violence exists to,

00:25:30.739 --> 00:25:33.140
like the aircraft carriers exist to enforce

00:25:33.140 --> 00:25:35.040
that fiat is gonna be there,

00:25:36.380 --> 00:25:39.780
but you also need a trade.

00:25:39.780 --> 00:25:43.140
You need to be able to trade fiat for things.

00:25:43.140 --> 00:25:43.979
Okay.

00:25:46.060 --> 00:25:48.099
When you're advocating for gold,

00:25:48.099 --> 00:25:51.339
you're just advocating for banks all over again

00:25:51.339 --> 00:25:53.660
because you need, like you can't just have gold

00:25:53.660 --> 00:25:54.859
like sitting around or like,

00:25:54.859 --> 00:25:58.300
oh yeah, I'm gonna go buy things with gold.

00:25:58.300 --> 00:25:59.819
It's like ridiculous.

00:25:59.819 --> 00:26:02.859
You ultimately are advocating for,

00:26:02.859 --> 00:26:05.020
well, we're gonna have to store the gold somewhere

00:26:05.020 --> 00:26:08.900
and they're gonna issue us notes that are backed by gold

00:26:08.900 --> 00:26:12.619
and then eventually, well, it's just too cumbersome

00:26:12.619 --> 00:26:14.780
to audit the gold, so we're just gonna have,

00:26:14.780 --> 00:26:16.140
we're just gonna, I don't know how many notes

00:26:16.140 --> 00:26:18.380
we're gonna be out there and then it's like,

00:26:18.380 --> 00:26:21.060
well, that's just fiat all over again.

00:26:21.060 --> 00:26:22.900
So whenever you're advocating for gold,

00:26:22.900 --> 00:26:25.420
you're ultimately advocating for fiat

00:26:27.939 --> 00:26:30.780
and it's mind boggling that people do this to themselves.

00:26:31.780 --> 00:26:33.459
I personally like gold.

00:26:33.459 --> 00:26:34.300
I like silver.

00:26:34.300 --> 00:26:35.540
I think the metals are cool.

00:26:35.579 --> 00:26:39.459
I think as elements, they have unique qualities.

00:26:39.459 --> 00:26:41.459
If you bury gold in the ground

00:26:41.459 --> 00:26:43.699
and it's found 10,000 years from now,

00:26:43.699 --> 00:26:46.459
it looks identical to when it was buried

00:26:46.459 --> 00:26:48.579
because it doesn't tarnish at all.

00:26:48.579 --> 00:26:52.420
You can stretch gold thinner than almost any substance.

00:26:52.420 --> 00:26:57.140
The astronauts in the glass of their helmets

00:26:57.140 --> 00:26:59.900
had gold in the glass because you could stretch it so thin,

00:26:59.900 --> 00:27:01.859
it worked as like a UV protection

00:27:02.859 --> 00:27:03.699
and on and on.

00:27:03.699 --> 00:27:06.300
Silver is the best heat conductor,

00:27:06.300 --> 00:27:07.739
one of the best electricity conductors.

00:27:07.739 --> 00:27:09.579
I think it has a lot of industrial purposes.

00:27:09.579 --> 00:27:10.619
Gold and silver are cool,

00:27:10.619 --> 00:27:13.500
but if you've ever owned gold and silver,

00:27:13.500 --> 00:27:18.500
let's say that you have a 0.999 gold coin

00:27:18.500 --> 00:27:20.339
or you have a numismatic,

00:27:20.339 --> 00:27:24.260
meaning one that was made in 1920 by the US Mint

00:27:24.260 --> 00:27:28.900
and is worth $5 or $10 or whatever it was worth at that time

00:27:28.900 --> 00:27:30.619
and you go to a coin shop,

00:27:30.660 --> 00:27:34.219
you have to haggle over the price of what that gold's worth

00:27:34.219 --> 00:27:35.979
because it's not just the ounce of gold,

00:27:35.979 --> 00:27:37.459
it's what quality is it in.

00:27:37.459 --> 00:27:38.979
Oh, it's scratched, it's bent,

00:27:38.979 --> 00:27:42.900
it's one shop offers you a certain amount of money

00:27:42.900 --> 00:27:44.060
with a little bit of a premium,

00:27:44.060 --> 00:27:45.500
one shop offers another one.

00:27:45.500 --> 00:27:49.579
You have the danger of walking from your car to the shop

00:27:49.579 --> 00:27:54.219
or some unscrupulous shop run by the mob.

00:27:54.219 --> 00:27:56.260
You have to deal with things like that.

00:27:56.260 --> 00:27:58.219
With Bitcoin, there's none of that.

00:27:58.219 --> 00:28:01.520
You can interact with people that you don't know

00:28:01.520 --> 00:28:06.020
and the Bitcoin transaction either goes through

00:28:06.020 --> 00:28:06.900
or it doesn't.

00:28:06.900 --> 00:28:09.180
It's either validated or it isn't.

00:28:09.180 --> 00:28:12.140
So it takes, I still like gold and silver.

00:28:12.140 --> 00:28:13.260
I love that it exists.

00:28:13.260 --> 00:28:15.040
It's not gonna go anywhere.

00:28:15.040 --> 00:28:17.699
It's just, we have this other thing

00:28:17.699 --> 00:28:21.339
that is a pure form of money that's unconfiscatable,

00:28:21.339 --> 00:28:26.339
that isn't corruptible and it's incredibly fungible,

00:28:27.180 --> 00:28:28.900
incredibly fungible.

00:28:28.900 --> 00:28:33.140
You can break it down to eight digits

00:28:33.140 --> 00:28:35.660
past the decimal point and I think there's ways

00:28:35.660 --> 00:28:37.540
to make it even more divisible than that

00:28:37.540 --> 00:28:38.939
if the value goes up,

00:28:38.939 --> 00:28:41.459
although you'd know more about that than I would.

00:28:41.459 --> 00:28:44.479
And it's just better, it's a better form of money.

00:28:45.660 --> 00:28:46.500
Yeah.

00:28:46.500 --> 00:28:47.979
I mean, yeah.

00:28:47.979 --> 00:28:50.900
Gold has its place in the history of money

00:28:50.900 --> 00:28:55.540
because you can't fake it.

00:28:55.540 --> 00:28:58.579
I mean, you can fake it but you can verify it.

00:28:58.579 --> 00:29:01.579
You know, there's a whole problem set to do that

00:29:01.579 --> 00:29:03.819
but because of that reality,

00:29:03.819 --> 00:29:07.500
that means that there is a limited supply

00:29:07.500 --> 00:29:08.959
and you can only mine so much

00:29:08.959 --> 00:29:12.060
and because of that, it has limited inflation

00:29:12.060 --> 00:29:14.900
and therefore, it becomes a really great store of value,

00:29:14.900 --> 00:29:16.579
right, in most of human history,

00:29:16.579 --> 00:29:19.180
like converged on gold for that reason alone.

00:29:19.180 --> 00:29:24.180
There is, it's very hard to just print more gold.

00:29:24.619 --> 00:29:26.780
In fact, it's borderline impossible,

00:29:26.780 --> 00:29:30.819
especially with the existing stock, right?

00:29:30.819 --> 00:29:33.579
Like the inflation on the gold is never gonna be

00:29:33.579 --> 00:29:38.579
above 2% unless we figure out how to mine asteroids.

00:29:38.719 --> 00:29:41.020
So gold is not without its qualities

00:29:41.020 --> 00:29:45.380
but the problem there is that if there's a better money

00:29:46.619 --> 00:29:48.540
that has better qualities,

00:29:48.540 --> 00:29:51.500
you're gonna have a situation

00:29:51.500 --> 00:29:53.939
where there's a differentiation between these two monies

00:29:54.699 --> 00:29:57.619
and somebody is going to capitalize on that differentiation

00:29:57.619 --> 00:30:00.979
and the capitalist here, oh, how do you capitalize on it?

00:30:00.979 --> 00:30:05.979
Well, when the nation goes totally fascist

00:30:06.459 --> 00:30:08.099
and we gotta get out of here,

00:30:09.380 --> 00:30:11.979
the guy who's gonna try and cross the border with gold

00:30:11.979 --> 00:30:15.300
is not gonna exit the country with gold.

00:30:15.300 --> 00:30:17.079
The guy who tries to cross the border with Bitcoin

00:30:17.079 --> 00:30:19.500
is going to exit the country with Bitcoin

00:30:19.500 --> 00:30:23.199
and that is a differentiating factor about this money

00:30:23.199 --> 00:30:25.439
and the consequences there are,

00:30:27.560 --> 00:30:30.800
bro, stop, just stop it with the gold.

00:30:30.800 --> 00:30:33.680
Like you can invest in gold,

00:30:33.680 --> 00:30:37.040
like you can use it for trading and futures and all of that.

00:30:37.040 --> 00:30:39.839
Like you can be super into gold and figure it out,

00:30:39.839 --> 00:30:41.760
like how to make your living off of gold

00:30:41.760 --> 00:30:44.680
and just go for it, do it,

00:30:44.680 --> 00:30:47.160
but it's not a better money, right?

00:30:47.160 --> 00:30:49.560
And that's what just irks me so much

00:30:49.560 --> 00:30:54.560
about like the Creature from Jekyll Island crowd,

00:30:55.119 --> 00:30:57.640
like all the old gold bugs, like the boomer gold bugs

00:30:57.640 --> 00:30:59.599
and it's like, oh my goodness,

00:30:59.599 --> 00:31:03.439
how do you guys get yourself into this predicament?

00:31:03.439 --> 00:31:07.000
Like, is it willful ignorance?

00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:08.920
Is it just like, oh, you're so invested

00:31:08.920 --> 00:31:11.319
that like it's just, it's so impossible

00:31:11.319 --> 00:31:13.199
to move that amount of gold

00:31:13.199 --> 00:31:15.540
because it's, you know, whatever,

00:31:15.540 --> 00:31:17.660
but yeah, it's a whole thing.

00:31:18.540 --> 00:31:21.579
Yeah, you and I know so many Bitcoiners

00:31:21.579 --> 00:31:24.979
and this thing happens when you meet Bitcoiners.

00:31:24.979 --> 00:31:27.380
We don't all believe all the same things,

00:31:27.380 --> 00:31:29.099
but there are these common threads.

00:31:29.099 --> 00:31:30.540
There's a common morality.

00:31:30.540 --> 00:31:34.140
There's like common hopes that we all have,

00:31:34.140 --> 00:31:37.739
a common sort of philosophy, a way that we see the world.

00:31:37.739 --> 00:31:42.739
And so in the current moment, the boomers,

00:31:42.739 --> 00:31:46.180
the people who think Bitcoin's a scam

00:31:46.180 --> 00:31:47.780
or think that it's for criminals or something,

00:31:47.780 --> 00:31:50.140
they just don't share that philosophy.

00:31:50.140 --> 00:31:55.020
That is going to change as Bitcoin just becomes

00:31:55.020 --> 00:31:57.739
more and more mainstream, used for more different things.

00:31:57.739 --> 00:32:00.140
Those people are going to come around to Bitcoin.

00:32:00.140 --> 00:32:01.939
There are tons and tons of videos

00:32:01.939 --> 00:32:03.420
that you can watch right now

00:32:03.420 --> 00:32:05.160
of people getting pulled over by the police

00:32:05.160 --> 00:32:08.900
with large amounts of cash in their cars

00:32:08.900 --> 00:32:10.739
and the cops confiscate it.

00:32:10.739 --> 00:32:12.540
They're like, why do you have $80,000?

00:32:12.540 --> 00:32:14.780
Somebody says, yeah, somebody would be like,

00:32:14.819 --> 00:32:17.219
oh, I was going to buy a car.

00:32:17.219 --> 00:32:19.819
And they're like, well, we think you might be a drug dealer

00:32:19.819 --> 00:32:20.819
so we're going to keep your money.

00:32:20.819 --> 00:32:22.859
Or tons of videos of people flying

00:32:22.859 --> 00:32:27.619
with $40, $60 worth of silver coins through TSA.

00:32:27.619 --> 00:32:30.699
TSA finds it and like, why do you have these silver coins?

00:32:31.800 --> 00:32:34.819
And they go through this whole hassle.

00:32:34.819 --> 00:32:37.359
So even now, if you try to fly to another country,

00:32:37.359 --> 00:32:39.500
you might have your gold or silver confiscated.

00:32:39.500 --> 00:32:41.900
Or this is the most ridiculous thing.

00:32:41.900 --> 00:32:45.420
20 years ago, you couldn't fly with $10,000

00:32:45.420 --> 00:32:47.660
to another country without declaring it.

00:32:47.660 --> 00:32:50.219
Now, the amount, I believe, is the exact same

00:32:50.219 --> 00:32:52.780
and $10,000 is worth a whole lot less value.

00:32:52.780 --> 00:32:55.780
It's not even a big deal if you fly.

00:32:55.780 --> 00:32:59.239
But you can fly with a million dollars right now

00:32:59.239 --> 00:33:01.979
on an app on your phone with Bitcoin on it

00:33:01.979 --> 00:33:04.880
or in a hardware wallet or storing the keys in your head.

00:33:04.880 --> 00:33:07.939
And it's completely voluntary up to you

00:33:07.939 --> 00:33:10.079
whether or not, nobody would ever do this,

00:33:10.079 --> 00:33:11.859
whether or not you want to declare it.

00:33:12.819 --> 00:33:15.739
I've flown with all the Bitcoin that I have,

00:33:15.739 --> 00:33:17.219
everywhere in the world that I've ever gone.

00:33:17.219 --> 00:33:18.900
I've never had to declare it anywhere.

00:33:18.900 --> 00:33:21.219
And I've also gone to foreign countries

00:33:21.219 --> 00:33:24.839
and used Bitcoin to buy things in those countries.

00:33:24.839 --> 00:33:26.859
And when you do that, you're not paying

00:33:26.859 --> 00:33:28.780
a capital gains tax on your Bitcoin

00:33:28.780 --> 00:33:31.540
if it's not in some third-party exchange

00:33:31.540 --> 00:33:34.780
that's reporting and sending a 1099 to the IRS.

00:33:34.780 --> 00:33:36.660
If you have Bitcoin on a hardware wallet

00:33:36.660 --> 00:33:38.500
and you go to Costa Rica right now,

00:33:38.500 --> 00:33:42.180
I was just watching a video that Francis Poulant,

00:33:42.180 --> 00:33:44.099
I don't know how to pronounce his last name.

00:33:44.099 --> 00:33:45.780
It's French.

00:33:45.780 --> 00:33:46.619
Yeah, it's French.

00:33:46.619 --> 00:33:47.660
He was French-Canadian.

00:33:47.660 --> 00:33:51.140
He was buying all kinds of stuff.

00:33:51.140 --> 00:33:55.640
He was buying amazing cuts of beef and raw milk.

00:33:55.640 --> 00:33:59.280
And he's transacting in Bitcoin over the Lightning Network

00:33:59.280 --> 00:34:01.420
in a foreign country as a Canadian.

00:34:01.420 --> 00:34:04.739
You think he's paying capital gains tax to Canada

00:34:04.739 --> 00:34:05.900
on that Bitcoin?

00:34:05.900 --> 00:34:07.219
Not a chance.

00:34:07.219 --> 00:34:08.060
Maybe.

00:34:09.780 --> 00:34:12.699
Watch, you're gonna be stopped at the border

00:34:12.699 --> 00:34:13.739
next time you travel.

00:34:13.739 --> 00:34:15.459
Thanks, AI.

00:34:15.459 --> 00:34:17.419
Thanks, FBI guy.

00:34:17.419 --> 00:34:18.780
Yeah.

00:34:18.780 --> 00:34:21.060
NSA is recording this entire podcast

00:34:21.060 --> 00:34:22.780
and just transcribing it in AI

00:34:22.780 --> 00:34:25.300
and putting out a warrant for my arrest right now.

00:34:25.300 --> 00:34:26.139
Yeah.

00:34:28.100 --> 00:34:29.060
But don't worry,

00:34:29.060 --> 00:34:30.580
because they won't be funded much longer anyway.

00:34:30.580 --> 00:34:32.659
So, great.

00:34:32.659 --> 00:34:34.659
Are you paying your taxes this year?

00:34:34.659 --> 00:34:35.500
Of course.

00:34:35.500 --> 00:34:37.060
I'm not like...

00:34:38.739 --> 00:34:41.620
One, like you mentioned earlier,

00:34:41.620 --> 00:34:44.620
the incentives to make crazy amounts of money

00:34:44.620 --> 00:34:45.739
are just so broken.

00:34:45.739 --> 00:34:47.500
So it's like, why bother?

00:34:47.500 --> 00:34:51.139
So we essentially just live with totally within our means.

00:34:51.139 --> 00:34:53.780
And it's like, when you live totally within your means

00:34:53.780 --> 00:34:55.659
and you have, you know,

00:34:58.300 --> 00:35:01.260
your particular tax situation of,

00:35:01.260 --> 00:35:05.179
that's just every day we buy groceries,

00:35:06.020 --> 00:35:07.899
we're not buying luxury cars,

00:35:07.899 --> 00:35:09.139
we're not doing crazy things,

00:35:09.139 --> 00:35:11.100
we're not getting insane amounts of debt or whatever.

00:35:11.100 --> 00:35:12.659
It's like, oh, okay.

00:35:12.659 --> 00:35:15.179
Our taxes are gonna be pretty low

00:35:15.179 --> 00:35:19.620
because we're adults being responsible.

00:35:19.620 --> 00:35:21.379
So yeah, pay your taxes.

00:35:21.379 --> 00:35:23.020
It's not worth it for me.

00:35:23.020 --> 00:35:24.620
Not worth it for me to fight it.

00:35:26.340 --> 00:35:28.699
I'm not paying my taxes this year.

00:35:28.699 --> 00:35:29.540
There you go.

00:35:30.939 --> 00:35:34.379
No, I mean, I will always just pay the taxes

00:35:34.379 --> 00:35:38.379
because it's better to just pay the money

00:35:38.379 --> 00:35:39.500
they're extorting you for

00:35:39.500 --> 00:35:42.580
rather than face the penalty of possibly going to jail.

00:35:43.979 --> 00:35:47.739
But I am going to put as much money into Bitcoin

00:35:47.739 --> 00:35:51.820
to never be put into fiat so they can never have it again.

00:35:51.820 --> 00:35:52.659
And when you do that,

00:35:52.659 --> 00:35:56.219
you're extracting the value out of the fiat forever,

00:35:56.219 --> 00:35:57.060
which feels great.

00:35:57.060 --> 00:35:57.899
Now, I will say,

00:35:57.899 --> 00:35:59.699
when I say I'm not paying my taxes this year,

00:35:59.699 --> 00:36:02.020
we had those fires in Los Angeles.

00:36:02.020 --> 00:36:05.459
And so for whatever reason, for Los Angeles County,

00:36:05.459 --> 00:36:06.419
you can file an extension

00:36:06.419 --> 00:36:09.020
and you don't have to pay the taxes until October 15th.

00:36:09.020 --> 00:36:10.899
And the reason that I'm doing that

00:36:10.899 --> 00:36:14.340
is because the chances are so incredibly high

00:36:14.340 --> 00:36:17.139
that if I don't take those taxes that I owe,

00:36:17.139 --> 00:36:19.060
which is tens of thousands of dollars,

00:36:19.060 --> 00:36:21.580
and I might instead take it and put it into Bitcoin

00:36:21.580 --> 00:36:23.580
and hold it for a few more months,

00:36:23.580 --> 00:36:28.419
the potential of that value increasing by a huge amount

00:36:28.419 --> 00:36:29.860
is incredibly high.

00:36:29.860 --> 00:36:31.219
Bitcoiners are doing this, by the way.

00:36:31.219 --> 00:36:34.580
In fact, one of the guys who I follow on Twitter,

00:36:36.060 --> 00:36:38.699
he's just publicly posting this.

00:36:40.699 --> 00:36:42.419
He didn't pay his taxes,

00:36:42.419 --> 00:36:43.860
but he went through the deferred,

00:36:43.860 --> 00:36:45.699
like, okay, I'm gonna do a tax extension

00:36:45.699 --> 00:36:46.939
and all that stuff.

00:36:46.939 --> 00:36:48.739
So he didn't pay his taxes.

00:36:48.739 --> 00:36:52.899
This says he owes $10,000 in taxes.

00:36:52.899 --> 00:36:55.860
Doesn't pay it and instead just invests it in Bitcoin.

00:36:55.860 --> 00:37:00.340
And I don't know what the IRS charges on the taxes owed,

00:37:00.340 --> 00:37:04.340
but it's probably less than Bitcoin expected CAGR, right?

00:37:04.340 --> 00:37:05.620
So he's just like,

00:37:05.620 --> 00:37:07.899
well, I'm just gonna arbitrage the difference on that.

00:37:07.899 --> 00:37:09.939
And he's winning.

00:37:09.939 --> 00:37:13.419
And it's like, bro, this is ridiculous.

00:37:13.419 --> 00:37:15.620
It's like, that's the kind of thing where it's like,

00:37:15.620 --> 00:37:20.620
mm, this is, Bitcoin really does change the incentives here.

00:37:21.620 --> 00:37:24.600
Like, if everybody just jumps on that train of,

00:37:25.600 --> 00:37:28.719
wait a second, what if I just defer this indefinitely?

00:37:28.719 --> 00:37:30.159
I could just defer this indefinitely

00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:34.280
and then invest the balance in Bitcoin and I'm good to go.

00:37:34.280 --> 00:37:35.679
I mean, this account is,

00:37:35.679 --> 00:37:38.840
he's also one of the guys who's like,

00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:40.679
oh yeah, I just take out as many credit card debts

00:37:40.679 --> 00:37:43.280
as I possibly can and refinance

00:37:43.280 --> 00:37:45.080
to the lowest interest rate possible

00:37:45.080 --> 00:37:47.080
and then put it all in Bitcoin.

00:37:47.080 --> 00:37:50.919
And then he publishes the chart differences

00:37:50.919 --> 00:37:51.959
and it's like, oh yeah,

00:37:51.959 --> 00:37:53.959
well, of course Bitcoin is just like everything.

00:37:54.080 --> 00:37:57.399
I'm like way above on all of my payments.

00:37:57.399 --> 00:38:00.679
Even if I like never pay this off,

00:38:00.679 --> 00:38:03.560
I'm like still way far and above.

00:38:03.560 --> 00:38:07.040
I mean, if you never pay it off

00:38:07.040 --> 00:38:10.120
and you expect a power law distribution for Bitcoin,

00:38:10.120 --> 00:38:11.919
you're gonna get wrecked in the longterm.

00:38:11.919 --> 00:38:15.959
But at some point you should pay it off, point is.

00:38:15.959 --> 00:38:19.120
But in the short term, you can make way more

00:38:19.120 --> 00:38:22.679
just because the CAGR is so different than your APR.

00:38:22.679 --> 00:38:24.879
Like it's just, this is ridiculous.

00:38:24.879 --> 00:38:28.320
It's like, it's fundamentally breaks these systems

00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:32.239
that are predicated on fiat just losing money, right?

00:38:32.239 --> 00:38:33.080
It's crazy.

00:38:34.120 --> 00:38:37.879
It's risky and neither you or I can predict the future.

00:38:37.879 --> 00:38:41.560
So I'm not gonna recommend that anybody does that.

00:38:41.560 --> 00:38:42.520
Do not recommend.

00:38:43.639 --> 00:38:45.959
I can tell you matter of fact though,

00:38:45.959 --> 00:38:50.000
in the amount of time that I've been a Bitcoiner,

00:38:50.040 --> 00:38:53.919
had I put all of my bills on credit cards,

00:38:53.919 --> 00:38:56.679
only paid the credit card minimums

00:38:56.679 --> 00:38:59.159
and invested absolutely as much money

00:38:59.159 --> 00:39:01.479
into Bitcoin as I possibly could,

00:39:01.479 --> 00:39:04.919
I would have made millions of dollars.

00:39:04.919 --> 00:39:07.239
And my bills, my credit card bills,

00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:10.760
even with interest wouldn't come anywhere close to that.

00:39:10.760 --> 00:39:14.439
And so at some point I could just pay that debt off

00:39:14.439 --> 00:39:16.600
very easily by selling a little bit of Bitcoin

00:39:16.600 --> 00:39:19.280
and paying on capital gains on the appreciation

00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:20.679
of the Bitcoin that I sold,

00:39:20.679 --> 00:39:24.439
zeroing out all my debt and continued to do it.

00:39:25.520 --> 00:39:27.760
That's not to say we won't have a two-year bear market.

00:39:27.760 --> 00:39:29.159
And if you had just started that

00:39:29.159 --> 00:39:30.879
and went into a two-year bear market,

00:39:30.879 --> 00:39:32.439
you could literally go bankrupt.

00:39:32.439 --> 00:39:34.840
I mean, that's like the, I think it's a Mark Twain quote,

00:39:34.840 --> 00:39:37.760
you know, how'd you go broke slowly then suddenly.

00:39:38.639 --> 00:39:42.399
That could happen to you, but also gradually and suddenly.

00:39:42.399 --> 00:39:45.639
The same thing can be said about how is a fiat

00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:49.120
going to hyper inflate gradually then suddenly.

00:39:49.959 --> 00:39:54.959
We're in a, there's a push and pull,

00:39:54.959 --> 00:39:57.120
a seesaw, I don't know, you know,

00:39:57.120 --> 00:39:59.399
which is going to happen first, I don't know.

00:39:59.399 --> 00:40:02.159
I can't, like we can't predict the future,

00:40:02.159 --> 00:40:07.159
but I can just say I have very strong conviction

00:40:07.479 --> 00:40:10.959
that over the longer term, over a two-year,

00:40:10.959 --> 00:40:13.239
five-year, 10-year time period,

00:40:13.239 --> 00:40:15.959
the value of Bitcoin is just going to keep going up

00:40:15.959 --> 00:40:19.000
and up and up because inflation's not going to stop.

00:40:19.760 --> 00:40:22.760
And Bitcoin just gets more and more and more scarce

00:40:22.760 --> 00:40:26.439
over time, it's programmed into Bitcoin.

00:40:26.439 --> 00:40:30.919
Yeah, the, one of the thoughts that pops into my head

00:40:30.919 --> 00:40:33.360
as you're explaining that, there's a,

00:40:37.600 --> 00:40:40.159
one of the problems with going down that,

00:40:40.159 --> 00:40:42.719
the path of, oh, I'll just take out debt

00:40:42.719 --> 00:40:46.199
and I'll owe the IRS money and I'll just 100%,

00:40:46.959 --> 00:40:50.520
like as max out everything I can

00:40:50.520 --> 00:40:52.679
and just do minimum payments, et cetera.

00:40:52.679 --> 00:40:57.199
Like, okay, cool, if you make a lot of money, right?

00:40:57.199 --> 00:40:59.360
And then you don't have a lot of other expenses

00:40:59.360 --> 00:41:01.280
that like you don't have responsibilities

00:41:01.280 --> 00:41:06.280
and like you have, because the risk here is that,

00:41:06.600 --> 00:41:08.639
well, what if you get fired?

00:41:08.639 --> 00:41:10.679
And then all of a sudden you have to pay

00:41:10.679 --> 00:41:12.520
and Bitcoin's down, right?

00:41:12.520 --> 00:41:14.919
Like, oh, you have to pay $10,000 of interest

00:41:14.919 --> 00:41:16.800
on your credit card bills that month

00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:19.479
because you're in over $100,000 of debt

00:41:19.479 --> 00:41:21.639
or I guess it'd be probably less than that.

00:41:21.639 --> 00:41:26.199
But, and Bitcoin's down that month.

00:41:26.199 --> 00:41:27.679
And so you're just wrecked.

00:41:27.679 --> 00:41:29.800
Like, you're a wiped out margin called.

00:41:29.800 --> 00:41:32.360
I mean, you can do it where you're smart about it,

00:41:32.360 --> 00:41:34.199
but the fundamental thing, like,

00:41:34.199 --> 00:41:35.360
so you don't get margin called

00:41:35.360 --> 00:41:37.399
and there's ways to go about that, which is cool.

00:41:37.399 --> 00:41:41.959
But I think there's a lower layer to that.

00:41:41.959 --> 00:41:43.560
And the lower layer to that is like,

00:41:43.560 --> 00:41:45.719
your time is not your own.

00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:47.560
You are in debt.

00:41:47.560 --> 00:41:50.560
You are a like slave, essentially,

00:41:50.560 --> 00:41:53.040
a debt slave to paying this off.

00:41:53.040 --> 00:41:54.199
You are responsible.

00:41:54.199 --> 00:41:56.679
You are like, you have to do this thing.

00:41:56.679 --> 00:42:00.600
Now, hey, it's essentially collateralized debt.

00:42:00.600 --> 00:42:02.639
So you can kind of like sell the Bitcoin

00:42:02.639 --> 00:42:05.159
to immediately pay off the debt, potentially,

00:42:05.159 --> 00:42:06.959
maybe if you wait long enough.

00:42:06.959 --> 00:42:11.199
But man, it's just, for me, it's like, no, no, no.

00:42:11.199 --> 00:42:12.919
The debt is debt is debt.

00:42:12.919 --> 00:42:14.239
The debt is debt.

00:42:14.239 --> 00:42:17.560
Like, you are in, you are a debt slave to the debt.

00:42:17.560 --> 00:42:19.600
Your time is not your own.

00:42:19.600 --> 00:42:23.320
You have something literally around your neck

00:42:23.320 --> 00:42:25.399
pulling you down, right?

00:42:25.399 --> 00:42:27.080
Constantly, if you're in debt.

00:42:27.080 --> 00:42:27.919
I don't know.

00:42:27.919 --> 00:42:30.000
Personally, I'm not a big fan of debt.

00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:31.959
I don't think that, I don't think it's,

00:42:33.479 --> 00:42:35.840
Chesterton has a fantastic quote on it.

00:42:35.840 --> 00:42:37.760
I'm not even gonna try and butcher it.

00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:42.760
But when you own,

00:42:42.919 --> 00:42:45.280
debt, somebody owns your life.

00:42:45.280 --> 00:42:48.800
They can take your life from you, right?

00:42:48.800 --> 00:42:50.399
Think about it like, oh, well,

00:42:50.399 --> 00:42:53.919
the collateral for your debt is your life.

00:42:53.919 --> 00:42:55.239
It is your ability to make money.

00:42:55.239 --> 00:42:56.919
It's your ability to pay for the debt.

00:42:56.919 --> 00:42:59.320
So it makes sense, logically,

00:42:59.320 --> 00:43:00.760
this is the Chesterton point,

00:43:00.760 --> 00:43:03.080
that I should be able to take your finger

00:43:03.080 --> 00:43:04.639
or that I should be able to take your hand

00:43:04.639 --> 00:43:07.040
because you owe me your life

00:43:07.040 --> 00:43:08.600
and your finger is part of your life.

00:43:08.600 --> 00:43:10.239
So I'm taking your finger, right?

00:43:10.280 --> 00:43:14.199
That's like, that's the philosophical high level.

00:43:14.199 --> 00:43:15.800
And it's like, oh, that's just mafia.

00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:17.239
Yeah, well, that's what debt is.

00:43:17.239 --> 00:43:21.120
That's just, that's the whole premise of debt.

00:43:21.120 --> 00:43:24.919
It is extremely not good.

00:43:24.919 --> 00:43:27.959
And here we are waltzing around our modern,

00:43:29.479 --> 00:43:31.800
modern economy, oh, so advanced.

00:43:31.800 --> 00:43:33.800
It's just debt and it's just slavery

00:43:33.800 --> 00:43:36.959
and it's just oppression of all sorts of layers

00:43:36.959 --> 00:43:39.800
and systems and it's crazy.

00:43:40.199 --> 00:43:43.439
Anyway, that's my diatribe.

00:43:44.360 --> 00:43:47.800
Our entire society, our entire culture is based on debt.

00:43:47.800 --> 00:43:49.800
The money that we use is debt.

00:43:49.800 --> 00:43:51.879
The dollar is debt.

00:43:51.879 --> 00:43:54.520
And we have a huge national debt.

00:43:54.520 --> 00:43:55.840
And what do we do?

00:43:56.760 --> 00:43:58.879
They just, they, I'm saying we,

00:43:58.879 --> 00:44:01.360
they say, ah, well, we can just print the money

00:44:01.360 --> 00:44:03.239
anytime we can pay the national debt.

00:44:03.239 --> 00:44:04.959
So it doesn't even exist.

00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:09.879
Psychologically, it feels terrible to be in debt.

00:44:09.879 --> 00:44:12.199
And that's why I wouldn't recommend that strategy.

00:44:12.199 --> 00:44:14.760
And the other thing, and you've witnessed this,

00:44:14.760 --> 00:44:17.719
is what happens usually with Bitcoiners

00:44:17.719 --> 00:44:19.360
is they don't go into debt.

00:44:19.360 --> 00:44:21.520
They don't take on massive credit card debt

00:44:21.520 --> 00:44:23.879
because when you do that,

00:44:23.879 --> 00:44:28.320
even if you are only paying minimums on credit cards,

00:44:28.320 --> 00:44:30.239
you still have to pay those every single month.

00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:33.560
Whereas if your credit card bill is zeroed out,

00:44:33.560 --> 00:44:35.879
you don't have to pay anything to anybody.

00:44:35.879 --> 00:44:37.199
If you don't have a car payment,

00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:39.040
you don't have to pay anything to anybody.

00:44:39.040 --> 00:44:42.800
And then if you go out and work hard and earn an income,

00:44:42.800 --> 00:44:46.600
it's up to your discretion how much you want to invest.

00:44:46.600 --> 00:44:48.479
You own your life, yeah.

00:44:48.479 --> 00:44:51.719
Yeah, and so Bitcoin is often,

00:44:51.719 --> 00:44:54.360
the effect that it has on most people

00:44:54.360 --> 00:44:56.320
is it makes them more responsible.

00:44:56.320 --> 00:44:58.719
They wanna work harder, they wanna earn more money.

00:44:58.719 --> 00:45:02.120
They don't wanna buy the newest car and finance it.

00:45:02.120 --> 00:45:05.320
They don't just spend frivolously

00:45:05.320 --> 00:45:08.439
on things like clothes and super nice meals.

00:45:08.439 --> 00:45:11.080
Bitcoiners tend to take on a little bit more

00:45:11.080 --> 00:45:15.439
of an ascetic life, a little more humble,

00:45:15.439 --> 00:45:17.320
a little more austere.

00:45:17.320 --> 00:45:20.320
And then they take the extra income that they're earning

00:45:20.320 --> 00:45:24.919
and invest it more in Bitcoin with a longer term,

00:45:24.919 --> 00:45:28.000
lower time preference frame of mind.

00:45:28.040 --> 00:45:30.719
And then psychologically,

00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:33.639
you actually have savings that's growing

00:45:33.639 --> 00:45:36.679
kind of in the way that theoretically money would grow

00:45:36.679 --> 00:45:38.479
if there was no inflation on your money

00:45:38.479 --> 00:45:40.280
and you could put it in a bank account

00:45:40.280 --> 00:45:42.439
and trust the bank to pay you interest

00:45:42.439 --> 00:45:44.159
on that money that compounds.

00:45:44.159 --> 00:45:48.399
Now, you are the bank if you own Bitcoin

00:45:48.399 --> 00:45:50.439
and your money is compounding

00:45:50.439 --> 00:45:53.399
as the value of Bitcoin grows over time

00:45:53.399 --> 00:45:55.360
and nobody can ever take it away from you

00:45:55.360 --> 00:45:57.000
and you can take it anywhere you want.

00:45:57.000 --> 00:45:59.280
So it gives you freedom and it gives you sovereignty

00:45:59.280 --> 00:46:01.320
over your own money, over your own mind,

00:46:01.320 --> 00:46:02.399
over your own life.

00:46:04.959 --> 00:46:08.120
Which basically nobody has in a fiat world.

00:46:08.120 --> 00:46:11.280
Nobody has any sovereignty over their life or mind.

00:46:11.280 --> 00:46:15.080
From the day you're born, all your schooling,

00:46:15.080 --> 00:46:18.600
all your work life, and apart from the few exceptions

00:46:18.600 --> 00:46:21.080
who go on to, oh, I'm gonna think for myself

00:46:21.080 --> 00:46:23.840
and be an entrepreneur and blah, blah, blah,

00:46:24.800 --> 00:46:27.719
very few people enter that path

00:46:27.719 --> 00:46:31.120
because the vast majority of us are just trained

00:46:31.120 --> 00:46:36.040
from birth to be subjugated by this system.

00:46:36.040 --> 00:46:40.800
Do what the system says, like just 100% bought in,

00:46:40.800 --> 00:46:43.120
don't think about it, just be an NPC,

00:46:43.120 --> 00:46:47.399
march, do your orders, take your, I don't know,

00:46:47.399 --> 00:46:50.120
eat your food, watch your movies, and that's your life.

00:46:50.120 --> 00:46:53.520
And it's like, man, we were made for so much more than this.

00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:56.679
But we can't do that because we're in debt.

00:46:56.679 --> 00:46:58.639
So it's like, bro, this is crazy.

00:47:00.879 --> 00:47:04.800
Yeah, so basically what I'm saying is being a Bitcoiner

00:47:04.800 --> 00:47:05.919
makes you better.

00:47:05.919 --> 00:47:07.959
You become better by Bitcoin.

00:47:08.879 --> 00:47:10.919
So you're better by Bitcoin.

00:47:10.919 --> 00:47:11.760
Yeah.

00:47:11.760 --> 00:47:12.600
You become better.

00:47:12.600 --> 00:47:14.639
You get better, you get way better with Bitcoin, indeed.

00:47:14.639 --> 00:47:16.879
You do, everything gets better with Bitcoin.

00:47:18.080 --> 00:47:23.080
I know, and I don't know, you wanna leave it at that?

00:47:23.080 --> 00:47:26.239
I mean, that's the whole point, so.

00:47:27.439 --> 00:47:28.800
Yeah, we're probably gonna leave it at that.

00:47:28.800 --> 00:47:30.439
How long are we gonna go for, 47 minutes?

00:47:30.439 --> 00:47:33.239
We're gonna talk about AI.

00:47:34.199 --> 00:47:35.719
I guess I could say one more thing.

00:47:35.719 --> 00:47:40.520
I did, I put my bookkeeping this year into Grok,

00:47:40.520 --> 00:47:45.280
and Grok walked me through how to make a perfect spreadsheet

00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:48.719
for my CPA with perfect formulas.

00:47:48.719 --> 00:47:52.879
Grok checked the formulas over and over and over again.

00:47:53.639 --> 00:47:55.239
You gave me an incredible suggestion

00:47:55.239 --> 00:47:58.439
to when I give Grok instructions,

00:47:58.439 --> 00:48:01.120
rather than just saying, okay, tell me what you think,

00:48:01.120 --> 00:48:05.000
at the end, writing, ask me questions before you begin.

00:48:05.000 --> 00:48:09.560
And then the AI refines, it refines everything.

00:48:09.560 --> 00:48:11.320
So you don't have to go through the editing steps.

00:48:11.320 --> 00:48:14.399
It refines it before it ever does the computations.

00:48:14.399 --> 00:48:17.399
And a job that normally takes me two weeks,

00:48:17.399 --> 00:48:20.719
which is insane, because my time is incredibly valuable,

00:48:20.719 --> 00:48:23.919
so I'm wasting it to pay taxes normally.

00:48:23.919 --> 00:48:26.800
This entire thing took me three hours.

00:48:26.800 --> 00:48:29.080
I gave it to my accountant, and he was blown away.

00:48:29.080 --> 00:48:32.419
He didn't understand, because I don't have a bookkeeper.

00:48:32.419 --> 00:48:36.639
Now I do, AI is now your bookkeeper, pretty amazing.

00:48:36.639 --> 00:48:38.000
Yeah, it's incredible.

00:48:39.159 --> 00:48:42.159
And the IRS has the same tool on the other side, blah, blah.

00:48:42.159 --> 00:48:46.399
What is the, it's the, this is a tweet that came out,

00:48:46.399 --> 00:48:48.679
I'm gonna butcher it again, but this is a tweet

00:48:48.679 --> 00:48:50.719
that came out right when AI was like really,

00:48:50.719 --> 00:48:53.239
like right at the forefront of it,

00:48:53.239 --> 00:48:56.320
when people were like getting their minds blown

00:48:56.320 --> 00:48:58.520
about what it could do at this point in the game.

00:48:58.520 --> 00:49:00.479
And the tweet is something along the lines of,

00:49:00.479 --> 00:49:04.280
we're gonna be able to use AI to write people emails

00:49:04.280 --> 00:49:07.399
about tactfully and where we're headed

00:49:07.399 --> 00:49:10.120
and all this other blah, blah, blah, et cetera, et cetera.

00:49:10.120 --> 00:49:13.280
And then the people receiving these extra long,

00:49:13.280 --> 00:49:16.719
very nicely worded emails are gonna use AI

00:49:16.719 --> 00:49:18.479
to read the emails to condense it down

00:49:19.280 --> 00:49:20.840
so like, bro, just send me the text message

00:49:20.840 --> 00:49:22.320
that says, no, I'm not gonna do that.

00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:25.639
Or like, it's like, what are we doing here, right?

00:49:25.639 --> 00:49:28.800
Like, and to go back to this, it's like,

00:49:30.760 --> 00:49:33.360
every AI transaction, a lot of people don't realize this,

00:49:33.360 --> 00:49:34.919
is a crazy amount of energy.

00:49:34.919 --> 00:49:37.040
That's why it's not free, right?

00:49:37.040 --> 00:49:38.479
It's a crazy amount of energy.

00:49:38.479 --> 00:49:40.840
And most of these companies are gonna be,

00:49:40.840 --> 00:49:43.840
if they're like, I don't know if they're profitable.

00:49:43.840 --> 00:49:45.120
I highly doubt they're profitable.

00:49:45.120 --> 00:49:47.360
They're in the stage of the growth stage, right?

00:49:47.399 --> 00:49:50.959
So they are going to be,

00:49:50.959 --> 00:49:55.719
every single one of these is tons of energy on the inputs

00:49:55.719 --> 00:49:58.760
and then tons of energy evaluating the outputs

00:49:58.760 --> 00:50:00.439
and the consequences are gonna be,

00:50:00.439 --> 00:50:03.280
well, why didn't we just simplify the whole thing

00:50:03.280 --> 00:50:05.479
so we didn't have to waste all this energy?

00:50:05.479 --> 00:50:07.199
That was another tweet I saw recently.

00:50:07.199 --> 00:50:12.199
It was like, Tesla dropped their support of Bitcoin

00:50:12.520 --> 00:50:15.360
back in 2019 or 18 or whatever it was,

00:50:15.360 --> 00:50:16.360
dropped their support of Bitcoin

00:50:16.360 --> 00:50:19.040
because it was bad for the environment

00:50:19.040 --> 00:50:21.639
because of the energy consumption that Bitcoin uses.

00:50:21.639 --> 00:50:24.600
And now Tesla and every other company in the world

00:50:24.600 --> 00:50:28.439
is going so hard on AI that they literally

00:50:28.439 --> 00:50:31.639
are building nuclear power plants to support this stuff.

00:50:32.520 --> 00:50:33.360
And it's like-

00:50:33.360 --> 00:50:35.360
They fired back up Three Mile Island.

00:50:35.360 --> 00:50:37.360
Yeah, what's the, guys, like, what the?

00:50:39.040 --> 00:50:41.080
They're losing the plot, man.

00:50:41.080 --> 00:50:42.719
Yeah, you know what else is interesting about that?

00:50:42.719 --> 00:50:46.159
They're making these huge data centers all over the country

00:50:46.159 --> 00:50:48.199
and it's essentially just to run,

00:50:48.199 --> 00:50:50.879
I don't know what they run on, it's like a GPU or something.

00:50:50.879 --> 00:50:53.399
Though, you either could have a huge data center

00:50:53.399 --> 00:50:55.159
of ASICs mining Bitcoin

00:50:55.159 --> 00:51:00.080
or you could have a huge data center of GPUs processing AI.

00:51:01.679 --> 00:51:03.879
And which is gonna be the more profitable thing?

00:51:03.879 --> 00:51:05.639
So that'll be an interesting,

00:51:05.639 --> 00:51:06.600
I'm sure there are people

00:51:06.600 --> 00:51:09.560
that are having that debate right now.

00:51:09.560 --> 00:51:11.560
I use NiceHash back in the day

00:51:11.560 --> 00:51:13.040
and I remember the guy that said,

00:51:13.040 --> 00:51:14.399
he was like, yeah, I'll pay you in Bitcoin,

00:51:14.399 --> 00:51:17.479
but you're probably doing data mining

00:51:17.479 --> 00:51:18.520
for Russia or something.

00:51:18.520 --> 00:51:19.679
It could be really shady stuff.

00:51:19.679 --> 00:51:21.679
You don't know how it's being used.

00:51:21.679 --> 00:51:22.520
Yeah.

00:51:25.120 --> 00:51:26.639
Yeah.

00:51:26.639 --> 00:51:27.800
There was one more thing

00:51:27.800 --> 00:51:29.080
that I wanted to mention about this

00:51:29.080 --> 00:51:32.280
and I completely blanked on it.

00:51:32.280 --> 00:51:34.159
So when, like, to,

00:51:37.080 --> 00:51:40.280
to really nail at home in terms of the energy consumption,

00:51:41.080 --> 00:51:44.919
to scale Grok up, they had to have,

00:51:44.919 --> 00:51:46.679
and you can like look up the picture online,

00:51:46.679 --> 00:51:47.760
but it's something like,

00:51:47.760 --> 00:51:51.360
they had their warehouse for all the,

00:51:51.360 --> 00:51:52.600
like the data center, right?

00:51:52.600 --> 00:51:55.679
And then they had a huge parking lot

00:51:55.679 --> 00:51:57.479
and like the entire warehouse

00:51:57.479 --> 00:52:00.320
was essentially surrounded by those,

00:52:01.600 --> 00:52:03.000
you see them on film sets all the time,

00:52:03.000 --> 00:52:04.159
I forget what they're called,

00:52:04.159 --> 00:52:07.600
but like the generator that's on the back of a truck,

00:52:07.600 --> 00:52:10.080
it's like a massive generator.

00:52:10.879 --> 00:52:12.399
So a warehouse, it's so,

00:52:12.399 --> 00:52:13.239
cause they didn't have the power

00:52:13.239 --> 00:52:15.879
until the new systems were brought up.

00:52:16.840 --> 00:52:18.919
They just, they were just literally,

00:52:18.919 --> 00:52:20.959
the whole warehouse is just surrounded

00:52:20.959 --> 00:52:25.959
by fuel burning power generators,

00:52:26.280 --> 00:52:30.560
creating kilowatts of power for the GPUs.

00:52:30.560 --> 00:52:34.399
It's just like, you guys, you just so lost the plot.

00:52:34.399 --> 00:52:37.520
It's incredible to me, but whatever.

00:52:37.520 --> 00:52:38.800
I remember what I was going to say

00:52:38.800 --> 00:52:42.080
and it's, so first thing,

00:52:43.159 --> 00:52:46.280
on that same subject, there's a new show coming out.

00:52:46.280 --> 00:52:47.919
It's called Long Way Home.

00:52:47.919 --> 00:52:49.600
So with Ewan McGregor and Charlie Borman,

00:52:49.600 --> 00:52:50.959
they did a show called Long Way Round

00:52:50.959 --> 00:52:52.919
back in about 2006, 2007,

00:52:52.919 --> 00:52:54.479
where they rode their motorcycles

00:52:54.479 --> 00:52:58.239
from England all the way around the world to New York.

00:52:58.239 --> 00:52:59.080
You ever seen that show?

00:52:59.080 --> 00:53:00.560
Amazing, incredible show.

00:53:00.560 --> 00:53:01.399
No, I haven't.

00:53:01.399 --> 00:53:02.639
It was a British show.

00:53:02.639 --> 00:53:04.879
Then they did another one called Long Way Down,

00:53:04.879 --> 00:53:06.399
where they rode from the tip of Scotland

00:53:06.399 --> 00:53:08.520
to the bottom of Africa on motorcycles.

00:53:09.239 --> 00:53:10.679
So that was season two, it was a few years later.

00:53:10.679 --> 00:53:13.919
Then they did one for Apple TV called Long Way Up.

00:53:13.919 --> 00:53:16.800
And in this one, they rode from the tip of South America

00:53:16.800 --> 00:53:18.479
to the Arctic in North America.

00:53:18.479 --> 00:53:21.199
But on this one, they wanted to do it in a,

00:53:21.199 --> 00:53:24.639
let's save the environment and ride electric motorcycles

00:53:24.639 --> 00:53:26.439
and we'll drive Rivian trucks.

00:53:26.439 --> 00:53:28.760
And so it became sort of-

00:53:28.760 --> 00:53:29.919
So brave, so brave.

00:53:29.919 --> 00:53:31.320
Yeah, I know, so brave.

00:53:31.320 --> 00:53:34.320
So it was a promotional piece for Rivian.

00:53:34.320 --> 00:53:36.520
It was a promotional piece for Harley Davidson motorcycles.

00:53:36.520 --> 00:53:37.919
But the thing was,

00:53:37.919 --> 00:53:39.800
there was nowhere to charge the motorcycles.

00:53:39.800 --> 00:53:41.639
And so if you look in the footage,

00:53:41.639 --> 00:53:42.600
you can actually see,

00:53:42.600 --> 00:53:44.479
especially as they're getting on ferries,

00:53:44.479 --> 00:53:48.560
they had a gigantic truck with them the entire time

00:53:48.560 --> 00:53:53.560
with a huge diesel generator on the back of the truck.

00:53:53.600 --> 00:53:57.280
And so they were charging the electric motorcycles secretly

00:53:57.280 --> 00:53:58.399
with a diesel generator

00:53:58.399 --> 00:54:00.439
because the motorcycles could never make the trip.

00:54:00.439 --> 00:54:02.879
And so they just came out with a new season

00:54:02.879 --> 00:54:04.679
called Long Way Home.

00:54:04.679 --> 00:54:06.879
And in this one, they're exploring Europe

00:54:06.879 --> 00:54:09.919
and they're doing it on old vintage motorcycles,

00:54:09.919 --> 00:54:13.760
gas guzzling, burning vintage motorcycles.

00:54:13.760 --> 00:54:16.560
And it looks really good, but it's just funny.

00:54:16.560 --> 00:54:17.760
I feel like they came full circle.

00:54:17.760 --> 00:54:18.879
So that was the first thing I want to say.

00:54:18.879 --> 00:54:21.000
And then the second thing I want to say was

00:54:21.000 --> 00:54:22.840
back on the AI front,

00:54:22.840 --> 00:54:26.280
a thing that I really want to do

00:54:26.280 --> 00:54:29.760
that I don't feel like enough people are doing yet

00:54:29.760 --> 00:54:34.760
is I had to call the court of Southern California

00:54:36.360 --> 00:54:39.320
because I got jury duty and I couldn't do it.

00:54:39.320 --> 00:54:42.520
And the whole time I was like caller number 97

00:54:42.520 --> 00:54:44.679
and it was going to take two hours or something.

00:54:44.679 --> 00:54:49.280
And I could so easily just tell some AI

00:54:49.280 --> 00:54:50.320
to stay on the phone.

00:54:50.320 --> 00:54:52.000
And as soon as they got a human

00:54:52.000 --> 00:54:56.879
to just tell them the information that I wanted to convey.

00:54:56.879 --> 00:55:00.840
And the amount of time,

00:55:00.840 --> 00:55:03.120
like the value that you're wasting

00:55:03.120 --> 00:55:05.199
by staying on the phone for two hours,

00:55:05.199 --> 00:55:06.320
at this point in time.

00:55:06.320 --> 00:55:07.959
Or even better, just heaven forbid,

00:55:07.959 --> 00:55:09.800
like they just set up a text system where it's like,

00:55:09.800 --> 00:55:11.479
hey, I can't come in.

00:55:11.479 --> 00:55:12.320
Right.

00:55:12.320 --> 00:55:13.159
I'm going to send you a text.

00:55:13.159 --> 00:55:15.879
So you don't have to talk to anybody on the phone.

00:55:15.879 --> 00:55:19.159
Oh, what about an app where it's just,

00:55:19.159 --> 00:55:20.239
here's your check-in time.

00:55:20.239 --> 00:55:21.080
Can you make it?

00:55:21.080 --> 00:55:22.600
No, yes, whatever.

00:55:22.600 --> 00:55:24.919
It's just ridiculous, the whole thing.

00:55:24.919 --> 00:55:28.719
At this point, if you're dealing with dumb inefficiencies,

00:55:28.719 --> 00:55:29.639
it's a choice.

00:55:30.800 --> 00:55:34.560
You can just choose to opt out of so many things right now.

00:55:34.560 --> 00:55:35.760
You can choose to opt out of that

00:55:35.760 --> 00:55:38.639
and you can choose to opt out of fiat currency

00:55:38.639 --> 00:55:42.080
by just using Bitcoin and understanding Bitcoin.

00:55:42.080 --> 00:55:43.600
And it's really not that difficult.

00:55:43.600 --> 00:55:45.280
It's not that complicated.

00:55:45.280 --> 00:55:47.120
And your life will be made better.

00:55:48.000 --> 00:55:49.280
Yeah.

00:55:49.280 --> 00:55:50.120
Absolutely.

00:55:51.919 --> 00:55:54.080
Suffering from inflation is a choice.

00:55:54.120 --> 00:55:55.159
100% a choice.

00:55:55.159 --> 00:55:56.919
You do not have to suffer from inflation.

00:55:56.919 --> 00:55:57.879
Nobody does.

00:55:57.879 --> 00:55:59.239
Not a single person on earth does.

00:55:59.239 --> 00:56:01.560
And yet, they do.

00:56:01.560 --> 00:56:02.439
Because they don't understand

00:56:02.439 --> 00:56:04.239
that everything's better by Bitcoin.

00:56:05.120 --> 00:56:06.320
Exactly.

00:56:06.320 --> 00:56:07.600
All right.

00:56:07.600 --> 00:56:10.000
With that, let's sign off.

00:56:10.000 --> 00:56:13.560
Anton, thank you for joining on the show today.

00:56:13.560 --> 00:56:15.360
And we'll see you next time.

00:56:16.959 --> 00:56:18.560
Better by Bitcoin.

00:56:18.560 --> 00:56:19.399
Peace.

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♪ Got a good thing coming ♪

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