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Hey, we're gonna start out with
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man, you're already bored today.
Man, you're boring me. I

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am boring you. Your trunk fell
asleep, right, they give you there.

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I'm so bored. My trunk fell
asleep. Okay, so today,

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are you meaning my torso or no? Yeah? Yeah, your torso like

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an elephant's trunk. No, no, your torso, I see yeah,

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the trunk of your body, I
see right, right, So usually you

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have hands or feet fall asleep,
but this one, your entire body goes

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numb because you got it? Got
it? That was rough, Chris.

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Why don't I don't refer to my
torso is a trunk? So okay,

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you don't have to. Some people
do, Okay, don't judge them,

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Johnny P. Here's the question someth
the pastor. Is it only considered tithing

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when you give to the church?
What about Saint Jude's or Salvation Army or

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tunnels to towers, et cetera.
Hm, that's a good question, Johnny.

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Good thinking, yeah, very good
thinking. Yeah. Well, and

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and let's just be clear because some
people what they do is they'll they'll take

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their tithe and they say, okay, if I'm supposed to give back.

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And by the way, the word
tithe means ten percent. And so if

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I'm supposed to take ten percent of
my income and I'm supposed to give it

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back to the church, what about
paying for people's groceries at the gas station?

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What about donating to a parachurch organization
or anti sex trafficking or a you

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know, feed the hungry or dig
a well, right, these are all

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good things, you know, supporting
orphans in a church organization like Salvation Army,

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by the way, is a organization
that has two legs, which is

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it's an actual church organization. But
a Salvation Army is a donation tax detectible

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donation kind of a thing that generates
money to do good. Right, Yeah,

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so what's your answer to this,
Well, I was waiting for your

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answer. You just well, okay, then I'll just say so the Bible,

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the Bible whenever talks about tithe,
it talks about bringing it to the

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church. It doesn't talk about it
bringing to a parachurch organization. So therefore

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we have to conclude that there's the
bride of Christ and then there's the bride's

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maids. And the bride'smaids are not
The bride is as beautiful as the bridesmaids

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are. Right, they're they're supposed
to bring glory to the bride. Right,

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they're supposed to They're supposed to draw
attention to the bride. And bridesmaids

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are great. But that's what that's
what parachurch organizations are. They're the bridesmaids.

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But but the church is the bride, right, So the good deeds,

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yes, outside of a local church. Yeah. So I think when

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you mentioned the tithe is always to
the temple. Yeah right. So,

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so the tithe in the New Testament
isn't referenced as going to the church,

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but it's to the temple. And
Malachi is where you would get that,

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where he says, bring all the
tithes into the storehouse, right, Uh,

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bring it all to the temple so
that the my my house will be

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full, So the table will be
full, and all the resources will be

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there, which would have been their
church right right, and so their church

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building. Yeah right, So the
the principle would be story house tithing.

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And I think that's the question she's
asking, is what is God's expectation.

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I personally believe I'm not going to
die on this hill, but I personally

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believe that when he says tithe,
you bring the tithe to the storehouse.

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That's the local body of believers,
right collectively. But Jesus refers to tithes

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and tithes offerings and alms, So
tithes would be God's ten percent offerings and

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alms are over and above the ten
percent, so the ten percent goes to

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the storehouse. That in my mind
now in the church ages the church,

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just like it would have been in
the temple before. Offerings are when you're

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planning to give more than your tithe
for some cause. What is this salvation

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army for instance, or something like
that. And then alms is spur the

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moment, special gifts, homeless man
on the street, salvation army, ringing

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the bell right in that moment.
Oh, it's pocket change. It was

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unplanned. So tithes are God's rent
for living on earth. That's ten percent,

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and you and all of his blessings. And he says, I'll see

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if I don't open the windows of
heaven and part of blessing on you.

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So tithes are the requirement. I
believe. That's storehouse tithing. You bring

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to the local body of believers,
and it's God's, not yours, right,

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so you surrender it. You don't
designate it. Then the offerings would

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be designated gifts over and above tithe
that would go over and above that ten

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percent that would go to a thing
you're designating, Saint Jud's or something like

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that. And then the alms is
the ringing of the bell, the spur

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of the moment, homeless person kind
of a special gift paying somebody's bills.

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Right, that that kind of a
thing, and so biblically that those are

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the three ways of giving. And
so when it comes to the tithe,

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God doesn't promise to bless our offerings
and our alms until after we've done our

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tithe too, right, So God's
looking for that bare minimum ten percent.

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So yeah, that's a big one, man, Johnny. That's a great

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question to ask. A great question
shows where your heart is, right,

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where your treasure is. That's where
your heart is. And what you're saying

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is, man, I want my
heart to be for Jesus, right,

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that's what you're saying. That's really
good. And I also believe that it's

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okay too, since we're talking about
the nuances, it's okay to give to

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not necessarily all the time. Although
I've always had the practice of giving like

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ninety five percent of the church that
I'm a part of, but we have

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other churches that we're just friends with
that we give as well. So we

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actually use some of our tithe our
whole lives. We've done this. It's

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a very small portion, but we
actually support other as long as it's the

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church, you know, it's not
my local church, but it is a

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church that I believe in, but
it's a part of the church, so

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we do that too. Yeah,
So I believe that's right. So anytime

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my wife and I have given to
other churches, it's it's outside of our

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tithe it's over and above. Yeah. Because of that, I have pretty

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strong belief in the storehouse tithing.
So all those churches are not my storehouse.

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They're a different storehouse, right,
And so it's the temple that I'm

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a part of. That's where I
would give my tithe to. And then

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it's appropriate to give offerings outside of
that too. So yeah, I think

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we have a little bit of a
different opinion there, but yeah, yeah,

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yeah. But either way though,
I think that the church, there's

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a big difference between the church and
then a parachurch organization, which, by

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the way, let me as a
side note, I want to poke fun

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at poke. I'm literally announcing I'm
poking fun at it. Okay, Okay,

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I love the Salvation Army. They're
great, but I want to poke

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fun at their slogan. Okay,
their slogan says you know what it is.

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It says doing the most good as
if to imply, hey, I

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know you do good, but we
do the most good, right, And

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I think that's a misquote of their
founder. Yes, yes, but that's

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how it reads. And so if
you go to any ring a bell thing,

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it'll say Army. The only thing
printed underneath that logo is doing the

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most good rights, as if to
say like, hey, all you other,

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all you other peasants out there trying
to do good. I know you're

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doing okay, but we do the
most good, right. So, and

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I know that's not what they met. I think what they're meaning is they're

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about doing the most important things,
right. That's right, That's what they're

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that's what they're saying, right right. So General Booth, William Booth was

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the founder of the Salvation Army,
and he has a quote, I can't

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quote it exactly, but we should
do the most good that we can do

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all the time. Yes, right, it's kind of the idea. And

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so they shortened that piece, but
the quote is a long quote. Yes,

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And so what they're trying to do
is remind Salvation Army people why they

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why they do what they do,
And it's because we're trying to do the

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most good we can with the TI
and we have. That's it, And

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there's a good chance that maybe somebody
who works for the Organization of Salvation Army

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is listening, and I would just
say, please talk to somebody, because

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what you're doing is you're announcing your
arrogance. Yeah, now what it seems

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like, right, So they're not
announcing there against, they're quoting their founder

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who's saying, we're going to do
everything we can to do the most good

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with our No. So I've already
said I think I understand what they're meaning.

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So this is kind of a Christianese
moment. There's times when we say

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what we know what we mean,
yes, but the rest of the world

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doesn't perceive it the way we know
what it means. Yes, and that

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that's what's happening. I'm saying.
So it's not arrogant. I'm saying what

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you're saying is not what you're meaning. Yes, because what you're saying is

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the sounds arrogant in my mind.
Yeah, so I don't I don't think

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it sounds arrogant. But we're doing
the most good. Yeah, we're doing

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better than anybody else, no matter
who else does. So I think you

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think there's judgmentalism in it, I
don't think so. No, it's a

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claim judgmental Yeah, it's just a
claim that we're best. No, so

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we're doing the best we can,
is what I hear it say. I

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do not hear that they're doing better
than me. That's what That's how it

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reads. I think it's an indicator
of your heart. No, I think

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that you're easily offended. Absolutely might
not believe the best. You're choosing to

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believe the worst. Just believe words
you might. So if you read a

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thing like that from people who are
good, we're literally sacrificing their life,

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ringing a bell, taking care of
homeless people I love. So you have

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to just choose to believe the best. When you don't understand a thing,

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maybe you don't have complete understanding.
All you said to me was overlook their

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bad slogan. That's all that needs
to And all I'm saying is maybe because

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maybe just misunderstand it. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, right. You shouldn't

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have to have somebody believe the best
in your wording. Well, we have

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to. We have to rely on
people believe in the best in us all

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the time. Well, just choose
different wording, that's all I'm saying.

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That's all I'm saying this guy.
So hey, by the way, for

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our listeners, you also got an
episode of What made Chris Mad this week?

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That's right. Somehow I turned it
into rant against the Salvation Army.

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I don't know if that's a winning
strategy. Dude, dude, Hey,

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I already said I love it.
I don't like their quotes. So good

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job, Jony, Thank you for
your question. That's fantastic. Tithes rent

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for living on Earth ten God says, I'll bless you offerings over and above.

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You designate it alms, spur the
moment, give to people in situations

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in need. Right, that's it, So good job on that. So

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we are reading. Actually, we
were able to take twelve and a half

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minutes on that segment because this may
be maybe we were just talking about this

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before it started. The least amount
of content in a single episode, let's

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be honest, that's call for what
it is. So we both scrambling,

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going, what are we going to
say on this one? We have some

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good thoughts though, I think we
have thoughts. We'll let the listeners.

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We'll let the listeners be the judge
whether they're good thoughts. Or not.

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Okay, So we're reading Matthew chapter
twenty, verses sixty two through sixty six.

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That's it, and it says the
next day on the Sabbath, remember

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they took Jesus' body down off the
cross. Joseph, Arimathea, Nicodemus,

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Mary, the two Marys are watching. They put the body in the tomb.

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The next day on the sabbath,
the leading priests and pharisees went to

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see Pilot. They told him,
sir, we remember what that deceiver once

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said while he was still alive.
After three days, I will rise from

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the dead, So we request that
you seal the tomb until the third day.

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This will prevent his disciples from coming
and stealing his body and then telling

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everyone he was raised from the dead. If that happens, will be worse

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off than we were at first.
Pilot replied, take guards and secure it

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the best you can. So they
sealed the tomb and posted guards to protected

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that's it. There you go.
So the content says, hey, post

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some guards and pots it. Okay, okay, okay, all right,

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go ahead, but there are several
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hereh yeah, for sure. So
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So the seal in itself, the
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it is broken is because when Pilot
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for that matter, puts a seal
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tomb, if it's broken, it
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death penalty. It's a death penalty. So the idea for the person breaking

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it and for the ones guarding it. Yes, yes, So so that

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that's important, So that that part
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which would be like I guess on
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Sunday, but we're going to talk
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Yeah, that's what I meant to
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to? I know they are slogans, sure, all right, So the

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point is is that so that's important. And then also we have the fact

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that they really paid attention to Jesus'
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the claims that he was going to
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the Bible says his disciples often didn't
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rise on the third day. But
these guys are smart enough. They knew

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what he said, yes, and
they knew what he meant, right,

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and they were little intimidated by it. Yeah, well there's a lot of

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things here right, right, so
they they're afraid that perhaps it really would

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be stolen and that and that his
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of a spooky ghost in the legend. But at the same time, you

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could almost sense that they're like,
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another another Lazarus or another blind guy
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healed or whatever, because we've seen
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us out. So we know that
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better. And you know, you
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of the law. You never find
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of the devil, right, So
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the miracles. They just say he
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devil or he was some kind of
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situation they may have believed, hey
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life too. Can you imagine though, There's a couple things. One we

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totally blow over the fact that on
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considered a form of work. What
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not as I do? I guess
politics is that important. I think for

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a lot of Christians, politics is
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right there, let's move on.
But in this situation, and you said

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more than my slogan ranch right if
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if you don't know Christians who their
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Yeah, it's it's pretty bad.
It's pretty bad in the politics of the

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religion. So anyways, here politics
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go ahead and walk the edges of
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to go make sure that they can
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that's a big one. But then
can you imagine how nuts pilot musself out

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These people were, really so you
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little nuts claiming that his kingdom isn't
of this earth. And I did that

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for you. I tried to let
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to get me to kill him.
Okay, so I killed him. It's

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another life. Who gives a rip
about another life? And now you'r afraid

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it's going to come back to life
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body? Are you flipping serious?
And it doesn't end with Pilot because he

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tried to wash his hands, he
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release Barabus, right, he tried
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it. But he's worried about the
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It's his only job. Well,
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Harry really was more of the keep
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also is to keep the peace and
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then remember when they said, hey, change the sign, but it says

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King of the Jews, But the
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be the King of the Jews.
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and Pilots like, I'm so sick
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I have written what I've written,
right, you already forced me to

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kill him. I'm not changing the
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sign to because you know, because
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so they're coming back the next day
going, yes, hey, we need

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to we need official seal. Yeah, we need official and then what does

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he say. He's thinking to himself, Okay, if that does happen,

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that would be chaos. It would
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and that's what they're trying to tell
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I got to keep the peace.
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go ahead, so just take some
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Right. He's like, I'm just
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nuts, right right. Well,
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conversations, and his responses indicate that
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right, And he's done with this. Uh, And so okay, so

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we have that and then uh,
and then let's talk about this. There's

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another sermon hidden in here, and
that is all the people who, throughout

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their entire lifetimes for two thousand years
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right, think about that. That's
all another sermony. Yeah, because there

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are people who have we have friends, good friends absolutely who we know,

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who have basically spent their entire lives, you know, trying to disprove Jesus.

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And it was during that pursuit that
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Jesus's life defied mathematical odds, fulfilling
the prophecies, that his resurrection can never

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be disproven. And people who have
spent you know, and by the way,

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there's a lot of stake trying to
disprove this. Oh. Absolutely,

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I have a friend. He was
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Baghdad when the Second US invasion happened, and he got sucked into a pretty

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radical group of religious radicals and began
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Green Zone. Wow. And he
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it anymore. He had befriended an
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him, and when the soldier saw
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whoa wha whah, whoa whoa,
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every day. And it was the
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phrases, that phrase. He was, what do you mean you pray for

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my country every day? And he
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want peace and bagdad and so I
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it doesn't have to happen. So
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and he said it was like God
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the trigger, and so he walked
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then he was moved by the fact
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I'm praying for you. He said, it never dawned on him that

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Christians prayed. So he went back
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a journalism student and he said,
you know, I don't think I can

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kill anymore, but what can I
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well, okay, you're a journalism
student. Let's disprove Christianity. And we're

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going to write all these books and
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the American soldiers and so he became

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a researcher, and he started investigating
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said it was the resurrection that hung
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I think I'm convinced. The Holy
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authenticity of the resurrection. And this
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here. If the tomb is empty, if that happens, we'll be worse

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off than we were at first,
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the resurrection happens, if this tomb
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we're trying to build against Jesus in
this moment. And that's what happened,

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was that my friend came to the
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his efforts to try to disprove Christianity. And then the last thing that happened

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was a neighborhood had burned down,
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about God's blessings, which what do
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said that would blow his mind,
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the pastor got up and said,
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and so we're going to receive an
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whose house also burned, and the
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rebuild the neighborhood was for the Muslim
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and he said, that was it
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and it changes lives. These people
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I realized I was full of hate
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that comes through the resurrection of Jesus. And he gives left to Christ.

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That's awesome. Radically transformed him to
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shares the gospel everywhere. God's used
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and with the Middle Eastern people here
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really a phenomenal story. But it
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it for him. That's great.
Well, I mean, those are the

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details leading up to what's about to
happen. And yes, Jeff, it

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does happen on Sunday, but we
will pick up our episodes on Monday.

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Yeah, so hopefully we will see
you then, next time on the Bible Gush