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what is up everybody it's

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the chairman of the united

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states department of nerds

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where we are for the people

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by the people and of the

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people and on tonight's

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episode I got a very

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special guest but first we

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got to play that very

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special theme song you are

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listening to the usbn on the dfpn

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Bye.

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All right, ladies and gentlemen,

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let's get into it and bring

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on our special guest for tonight.

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Ladies and gentlemen,

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this is Nicholas Keaton Casparo.

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Did I get it?

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You had it the first time, yeah.

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I had it the first time, all right.

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So we're going to call him Nick tonight.

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Nick is good, yeah.

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It's nice to see you, man.

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How are you?

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Good to see you, too.

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I'm good.

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How's everything going on your side?

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It's good.

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It's good.

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Busy as hell.

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You're in California, right?

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Say that again?

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You're in California?

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No, I'm in Florida.

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Oh, what part?

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Right now in Bradenton.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Down in the southern part.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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All right.

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I spent a lot of time in the Panhandle,

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so.

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Oh, nice.

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You know what?

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I mean, it's such a big state.

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I really haven't spent a

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whole lot of time in the Panhandle.

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I've been meaning to, like,

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make a trip up there.

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I got some friends who

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really love that area

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you're good dude I enjoyed

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it I I really did I I was I

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was stationed out there so

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I really enjoyed it a lot

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and I got to be there with

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my family so that was

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always a that was always a

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good thing so always a good

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thing to be with family

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yeah so I got I got my family

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downstairs and we actually

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had to give the

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two-year-old a bath early

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today to make sure she

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wasn't making too much

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noise next to this room

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because right next to my

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office is the bathroom where we usually,

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you know,

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we get her ready for the night

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and she can,

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she's almost two and she's

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starting to get real vocal.

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Uh-huh.

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I got a very vocal

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two-year-old next door to me,

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but it's a four-legged kind

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and it's a cat that my

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daughter just brought home, so...

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Yeah.

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We've got loud family members.

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Hey, we're surrounded by the good people,

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right?

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That's right.

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Whether they're furry or not.

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That's right.

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I got a couple of dogs, too.

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I got some furry guys downstairs.

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I got two downstairs that are chilling.

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And then right now,

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my daughter is in

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quarantine until we can get

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him to the vet tomorrow.

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So...

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She brings some strange animals whenever.

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Gotta love it.

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And she's home for college, so I'm like,

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you know what?

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It's yours.

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You take care of it.

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Hey, that's fair, though.

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That's fair.

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Yup.

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But let's dive into it, man.

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Let's...

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How did you come up with the concept of,

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I'm hoping I'm gonna pronounce this right,

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is Vita Taylor?

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I'm stuttering tonight.

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Vitilarium.

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Vitilarium.

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Vitilarium.

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All right, I was close.

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Most people say it that way

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the first time.

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It's a stigma I may be

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forever working to break, but...

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Hey, we'll get it there.

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We will get it there.

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So yeah,

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Videlarium started as a book and

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then graduated to a comic book series.

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And I don't plan to stop there.

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I'm already trying to work

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on turning it into a short animated film,

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or at least create a short

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animated film based on one

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of the chapters in the book,

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somewhere between like

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eight to twelve minutes long.

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More for, like,

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proof of concept and to

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give people a little bit of

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a teaser of what I really

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plan to do with this series.

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But, I mean,

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I'm describing it as a budding

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franchise because, like I said,

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I'm looking to penetrate

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essentially all outlets of

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media with Videlarium.

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And, like I said, I started with the book.

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I'm approved for seven now

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with the publisher.

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Oh, nice.

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So, are we talking seven, like...

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books are we talking how the

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comic books oh yes seven

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full books like okay and

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that's the novel series

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that's that's what I spend

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you know a good majority of

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the time on and then book series and

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For instance,

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the first comic book that I

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think I sent you,

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just one chapter from the

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book of which there are

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thirty one chapters.

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So I did start diving into

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the book the last couple of days.

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I didn't get very far

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because I actually got busy

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at work today.

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But I was like what I when

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it's not often you see sci

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fi books or any books

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really turned into a comic book.

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So this was a first for me,

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and I was really happy to get both.

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That way I can kind of put

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them side by side and kind of go, okay,

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where did the comic book

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pick up versus the book?

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It wasn't quite that far

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into the book when you picked up.

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Because in the comic book, Roman,

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your main character is Roman.

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But in the book, he's a younger kid,

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if I'm not mistaken.

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yeah yeah so he's he's um in

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the book I really I wanted

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to make a note of um or

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make a point of I guess

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really building out that

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character and showing how

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he was built um giving the

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backstory going into detail

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about you know what type of

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scenarios would actually form this

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kind of hardened freelancer,

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basically a mercenary for

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hire that you meet when

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he's an adult and that you

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follow for the vast majority of the book.

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And to be able to create a human like that,

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it's gonna take a pretty dark story,

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a pretty dark backstory.

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I'm not sure how far into it

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you've gotten so far,

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but it- I gotta feel it,

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I'm right there on the cusp

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of getting into that.

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So, yeah,

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but I don't want to spoil it for

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myself either.

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So I will refrain from

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giving out any spoilers today, I promise.

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But but yeah, so the comic book,

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I wanted to follow him

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starting as an adult,

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at least in the beginning,

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because I feel like I chose

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that chapter because that's

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literally chapter six right

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from the book.

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I chose that chapter because

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it's a good indicator for

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what's to come in the series.

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It shows you who he is, what he's about,

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the world that he's living in,

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and the types of characters

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that he's having to deal with.

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And I felt like it was a

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good chapter to really

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bring that to life and give

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people just a snapshot of

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what this series is going

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to be all about.

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No, that first book was done very,

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very well.

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I was talking to your artist, Francisco,

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a little bit about it.

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The way he did it had that

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Borderlands vibe to it.

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I was like it kind of was

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like it started out like

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boom he's back from a

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mission and you could tell

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he has like this no

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nonsense type of attitude

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he's like you're gonna pay

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me or you're gonna face

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your consequences of not

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paying me yeah so it was

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like a big bang and I like

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when a book one does that

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big bang it does that big

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introduction of the

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character and then you know

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The next book,

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you can kind of mellow him

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out and see who he really

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is when he's not this this

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hard cut character.

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Yeah,

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you'll you'll see a lot of different

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sides of Roman because, like I said,

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the second one,

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the second comic that I have,

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which actually comes out

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this coming week.

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We're going to get there.

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Yeah, I was going to ask you about that.

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I know it was in production.

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It was a production.

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So I know you talked to Francisco.

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Big shout out to Francisco Nilo,

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who's my illustrator, and my colorist,

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Chandran Panusamy.

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Both phenomenally talented.

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They've been a dream to work with,

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and I made sure to contract

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with them for at least the

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next five issues to make

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sure that I could grab their time.

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Yeah, you want to lock them down.

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Exactly, exactly.

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And like I said,

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they've been amazing to work with.

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It's a very collaborative

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process between the three of us.

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And we actually just

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recently planned out the

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canon for the entire series.

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So there will be,

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when you're dropped in in the first comic,

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you're basically following

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Roman as an adult through the, I guess,

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the storyline that he goes

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through in the book.

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There's going to be a time

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before the book where I

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follow him as an adult before all of this,

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which is going to allow me

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to basically send him on

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lots of different missions

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and just explore the world,

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have him meet different

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characters so that the

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reader of the comic book can

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discover different parts of the,

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the worlds.

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I can really flesh out some

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of the world building, um,

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some of the interesting

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elements that you run into on planet Dior,

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which is the planet that

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this entire comic book takes place on.

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And, uh,

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then I'm going to have a time when

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he's a teenager and that's

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going to be a little bit closer to,

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you know, when, uh,

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when you're first

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introduced to Roman and,

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In the book, the novel, the novel.

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So,

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and then I also have an opportunity to

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basically take,

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because it is a multi-narrative book.

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So you are following

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multiple different

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characters from all walks of life.

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So you, once again,

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my goal was to give

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everyone a feel for

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basically how much effort I

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put into the world building in this,

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because I designed everything from,

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you know,

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the factions that are kind of the

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big players.

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I did like the way you did on the book.

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When you, like, as you're, you know,

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you start to scroll and you

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do have the different

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factions and then you kind

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of get to like the intro with NASA,

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which I thought was really

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cool because you didn't

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just throw us into a book.

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You kind of gave us a little

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background of the different

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factions and that kind of stuff.

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And then we get how we came about this.

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the source of power or energy,

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I should say.

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And then we get into who, you know,

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Roman as a child or a teenager,

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And to me, I was like,

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that's how you do it.

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You kind of lay a simple

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foundation like that.

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That way,

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as you start getting into the actual book,

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you're not going like,

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who the hell is this organization?

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You gave all that up front.

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You didn't have to send the

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reader through another

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chapter or skip ahead a few pages to go,

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oh, that's who they are.

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So I really enjoyed that

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aspect of how you started that book.

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Yeah,

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I wanted to give readers and fans and

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people something that they

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could really immerse themselves in.

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And to be able to do that,

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you need to just be endlessly building.

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And that's literally what

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I've been doing for the

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past three and a half years

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is just continuing to build

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this whole universe.

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It's funny,

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I started basically planning

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out the universe after I

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started writing the first book.

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Because because the book

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that I don't know if you

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picked up on this,

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but the whole book was

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written at thirty six thousand feet.

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So in my last position,

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like my last day job was on

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a plane three to five days a week.

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So I was.

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Yeah.

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So that's a lot of plane time.

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You eventually get to a

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point where you've

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basically beaten Netflix.

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You got to the end of Netflix.

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Exactly.

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So I was just kind of wasting my time.

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And I was like, all right, well,

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what can I do with this?

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So I had a few ideas that I

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wanted to try and flesh out.

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And so I said, you know what?

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Let's give it a shot.

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So I sat down on a long

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flight from Miami to Hawaii.

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And when I got off the plane,

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I was on flight number four.

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And I was like, all right.

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Whoa,

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like it poured out of me at that point,

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because I mean,

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that was the first time I'd

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really written anything

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other than a professional

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email in over a decade.

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So I basically said, all right, well,

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I'm really enjoying this,

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but if I want to do it right,

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I'm going to have to make sure that I am,

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you know,

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bringing people into the world.

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I had all these questions

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about a world that I was writing about.

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And I said, well, all right, well,

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let's start answering them.

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So I sat down.

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I basically opened up an

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Excel spreadsheet.

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And I started with the

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themes I wanted to talk about.

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And that eventually led me

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to the factions.

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Who are the factions that we

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want to explore?

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Who are the characters?

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What's their back story?

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What do they represent in the story?

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all the way to what's the

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flora and fauna look like

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on planet Deorum.

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Let's make a whole slew of

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different species that I

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can basically pull from,

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be able to use in the book.

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What does the government

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structure look like?

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What do the other planets look like?

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Because Deorum,

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where the story takes place,

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it's the seventh colonized human planet.

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so what do those planets

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look like how many moons do

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they have uh what language

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do they speak what's their

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government structure like

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what are people like there

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and I just kept answering

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all these questions and I

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still find even today as

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I'm thinking about and

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beginning to you know get

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through the second book and

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think about books three through seven um

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I'm still coming up with

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questions of things I need to answer.

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So it's been an absolute blast.

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I actually usually take like

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a day a week to just sit,

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sit down and answer

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questions that I have about

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my own world and just start to,

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it really gives me an

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opportunity to kind of flex

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that creative muscle.

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So it's a lot of fun.

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I can tell you're having,

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you're oozing the passion

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for your project and I love it.

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And shout out to CJ here,

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says a seven book deal is amazing.

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Sending you a big congrats on that.

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CJ runs Nightmares and Nerdscapes,

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another podcast here on the

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DFPN network that I am a part of.

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Shout out to everybody.

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Everybody's had a fantastic

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twenty twenty five right now.

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So thank you, CJ.

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We touched on it a little bit.

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If you were going to

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describe the world that

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you're building to someone new,

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how would you describe the world of.

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You got it.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So I would describe it as it is a gritty,

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dark.

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street-level view of a

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cyberpunk dystopian future.

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And not just the cyberpunk

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that... It's not just about

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bionic limbs and things like that.

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It's a gritty dystopian future.

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You're on a planet with an

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authoritarian government

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that is now going through

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some kind of change that you

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will learn about in the book.

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I don't want to give away any spoilers.

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But they're basically

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beginning to grab even more

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power and more resources,

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and it's for a specific reason.

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So there is an element of

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mystery about the book as

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the events begin to kind of

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unfold what's to come.

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There's, I mean,

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you get a little bit of

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everything with this.

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You get your mystery, you get action,

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you get tons of action.

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It's a sci-fi, right?

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Boom, right into it.

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Right off the bat.

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You get elements of hard sci-fi.

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I take the time to try and

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explain the technologies in

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a way that's engaging and

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it's not like just reading a textbook.

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uh I try and explain a lot

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of things about the world

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through the conversations

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of the characters you're

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gonna get your conspiracy

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elements you know there's

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there's it's you get to see

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how the politicians act

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when they're kind of in

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front of the cameras but

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then you also get to follow

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them when they're kind of

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having their backroom

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meetings and seeing really

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what they're uh

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what their true intentions

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are and what the true

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motives are behind all of

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the different steps they're

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taking politically.

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So you get your political intrigue.

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You get a little bit of romance.

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I put the protagonist Roman through hell.

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I had to give him a little something.

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There are moments of comedy,

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but generally speaking,

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it is not your cozy fireside read.

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I mean, it is a dark story.

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The idea,

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I wanted people to feel like they

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were on the edge of their

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seat while they're reading this book.

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No,

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I think you accomplished that very well.

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And that translated very

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well into the very first comic book,

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because as soon as

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you kind of knew as soon as

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he pulls up in front of the,

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I guess it's a bar.

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Yep.

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You kind of just knew like,

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we're about to get some

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shit go down right here.

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And it's sure enough, you know,

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two or three pages later, you're like,

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there it is.

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Yeah.

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And he's, he's not exactly a Roman,

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the protagonist.

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He's not exactly the, the ideal employee,

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so to speak.

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He's, he's,

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He's kind of when you first meet him.

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And if you read the book, you know why.

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I mean,

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he's got such a traumatic past that

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it's scarred him immensely.

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You know,

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he's kind of a lost soul when you

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first meet him.

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I mean, he's just, in the book,

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he's basically spending

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money on booze and whores,

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just floating through life

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without any real purpose.

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So in a way, the story is,

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it's a number of things.

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It's a conversation about...

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authoritarian governments

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and some of the tools that they utilize,

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like bringing some stuff to light,

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some of the tools they

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utilize to basically assert

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that control and get what they want.

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It's a story about

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personal growth and

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rediscovery of purpose for

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the protagonist.

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It's a story about leadership.

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There are some leadership

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qualities that are buried

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pretty deep in Roman.

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And like I said,

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he's basically just

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floating through life

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trying to reconnect with those.

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And certain circumstances

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will basically force those to resurface.

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And it is a story that has a

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lot of philosophical themes

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that are explored.

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I mean, essentially the whole story arc,

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you're basically watching

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the emergence of a future

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mythological hero.

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Basically the person who

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becomes the most important

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person in future history.

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from the very ground floor.

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You get to meet him

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throughout his traumatic experiences.

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You get to see what life was like before,

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just a little snippet of it.

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You get to see what that turns him into.

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And then you get to see his

00:22:21.344 --> 00:22:23.743
path as certain

00:22:23.804 --> 00:22:25.125
circumstances basically

00:22:25.184 --> 00:22:30.586
force him into just an entirely new life,

00:22:30.605 --> 00:22:32.306
an entirely new responsibility.

00:22:33.836 --> 00:22:36.077
So you have this book.

00:22:37.857 --> 00:22:40.038
At what point or what was it that said,

00:22:40.078 --> 00:22:40.519
you know what?

00:22:41.220 --> 00:22:44.300
I'm going to make this into a comic book.

00:22:44.320 --> 00:22:45.000
That's a good question.

00:22:45.020 --> 00:22:46.000
Was that always the plan?

00:22:48.561 --> 00:22:50.262
It wasn't.

00:22:52.202 --> 00:22:52.762
At one point,

00:22:52.843 --> 00:22:54.403
I was writing this book and I was like,

00:22:54.423 --> 00:22:55.344
this is cathartic.

00:22:55.384 --> 00:22:57.025
I don't care if this turns into anything.

00:22:57.704 --> 00:22:59.026
And then it got to a point

00:22:59.066 --> 00:23:00.385
where I got a publisher.

00:23:01.468 --> 00:23:02.627
and they were interested in

00:23:02.688 --> 00:23:05.249
it and I was like okay this

00:23:05.288 --> 00:23:06.348
is the only thing I care

00:23:06.368 --> 00:23:08.788
about right now just it was

00:23:08.808 --> 00:23:10.130
like obviously other than

00:23:10.170 --> 00:23:11.589
family and things like that

00:23:11.630 --> 00:23:15.369
but um aside from family

00:23:15.750 --> 00:23:17.030
and you know you know just

00:23:17.230 --> 00:23:18.330
uh important personal

00:23:18.371 --> 00:23:19.391
things this is like the

00:23:19.471 --> 00:23:20.471
only thing I think about

00:23:20.550 --> 00:23:24.811
nowadays so um eventually

00:23:24.832 --> 00:23:26.011
it graduated to a point

00:23:26.051 --> 00:23:28.373
where I had the first book

00:23:28.413 --> 00:23:30.113
done it was in the editing process

00:23:31.539 --> 00:23:33.321
And I'm having some beta

00:23:33.362 --> 00:23:35.003
readers read this and they were like, wow,

00:23:35.064 --> 00:23:37.647
man, I this is this was a good book.

00:23:37.708 --> 00:23:37.928
Like,

00:23:38.208 --> 00:23:39.470
I really hope this gets turned into a

00:23:39.529 --> 00:23:40.151
movie one day.

00:23:40.191 --> 00:23:40.951
And I was like, shit,

00:23:41.031 --> 00:23:41.853
I hope this gets turned

00:23:41.873 --> 00:23:43.054
into a movie one day, too.

00:23:43.515 --> 00:23:45.596
And then I was like,

00:23:45.636 --> 00:23:47.098
how am I going to make that happen?

00:23:47.867 --> 00:23:49.509
And the first thought that

00:23:49.548 --> 00:23:50.888
came to my mind was, well,

00:23:51.048 --> 00:23:51.969
I need a pictorial

00:23:52.009 --> 00:23:53.529
representation of what's

00:23:53.549 --> 00:23:54.329
happening in the book.

00:23:54.829 --> 00:23:56.270
Let's take those words and

00:23:56.310 --> 00:23:57.431
really bring them to life

00:23:57.990 --> 00:23:58.751
on a piece of paper.

00:23:59.511 --> 00:24:01.692
And the next logical step

00:24:01.732 --> 00:24:02.992
was to turn that into

00:24:03.653 --> 00:24:05.834
either a comic or a graphic novel.

00:24:05.874 --> 00:24:07.233
And the comics seemed like a

00:24:07.334 --> 00:24:09.714
more financially feasible

00:24:10.335 --> 00:24:11.615
option at the time.

00:24:12.395 --> 00:24:13.776
And that was the route I went.

00:24:13.816 --> 00:24:14.656
And now it actually,

00:24:14.757 --> 00:24:15.836
I like that I took that

00:24:15.896 --> 00:24:16.997
route because it allows me

00:24:17.037 --> 00:24:19.438
to release things in, like I said, issues,

00:24:19.498 --> 00:24:20.018
segments.

00:24:23.159 --> 00:24:24.699
I like the idea of,

00:24:25.798 --> 00:24:27.640
like I remember the days of

00:24:27.680 --> 00:24:29.539
like waiting for like

00:24:29.940 --> 00:24:31.721
albums to come out on CD.

00:24:31.740 --> 00:24:34.601
Like it takes, oh, you gotta wait for it.

00:24:34.641 --> 00:24:36.061
Like there's an anticipation.

00:24:36.362 --> 00:24:37.642
There's something about that

00:24:37.662 --> 00:24:41.643
that just makes, it makes it more fun.

00:24:43.474 --> 00:24:45.516
When you cut out the anticipation portion,

00:24:45.797 --> 00:24:48.097
it's just not quite the same experience.

00:24:48.298 --> 00:24:51.880
And I know I'm having a blast doing it.

00:24:52.320 --> 00:24:53.280
I hope other people are

00:24:53.300 --> 00:24:55.442
having a blast with the

00:24:55.461 --> 00:24:56.442
comic and the book.

00:24:56.722 --> 00:24:59.023
The feedback has been great so far,

00:24:59.065 --> 00:25:00.865
which I'm very grateful for.

00:25:02.686 --> 00:25:03.967
And I'm just trying to keep

00:25:03.987 --> 00:25:04.988
this train rolling now.

00:25:05.208 --> 00:25:09.931
I'm just looking forward to the next one.

00:25:09.990 --> 00:25:10.951
You're nailing it, dude.

00:25:11.511 --> 00:25:11.531
I...

00:25:12.983 --> 00:25:13.624
For me,

00:25:15.625 --> 00:25:17.326
it was one of those where I got the

00:25:17.365 --> 00:25:20.346
comic first and then Eve

00:25:20.386 --> 00:25:21.247
sent over the book.

00:25:21.707 --> 00:25:22.547
I was like, perfect.

00:25:23.387 --> 00:25:25.167
And then as I'm reading through, I'm like,

00:25:25.288 --> 00:25:27.368
okay, so the comic book,

00:25:28.229 --> 00:25:29.589
it picks up a little later

00:25:29.670 --> 00:25:32.530
in the story of the book.

00:25:33.685 --> 00:25:34.586
And I'm like, okay, I can get,

00:25:34.826 --> 00:25:35.787
I like that.

00:25:36.307 --> 00:25:37.846
And then I just so happened

00:25:37.866 --> 00:25:40.307
to be talking to Francisco and he's like,

00:25:40.367 --> 00:25:41.288
oh yeah, you know,

00:25:41.429 --> 00:25:42.528
issue two is getting ready

00:25:42.588 --> 00:25:44.329
to hit the press.

00:25:45.089 --> 00:25:46.349
Is what I,

00:25:46.430 --> 00:25:47.490
is he either through with the

00:25:47.530 --> 00:25:49.830
press or is it ready to be distributed?

00:25:51.051 --> 00:25:52.471
Issue two of the comic book?

00:25:52.872 --> 00:25:53.251
Yes.

00:25:54.212 --> 00:25:55.573
Issue two of the comic book

00:25:55.633 --> 00:25:58.173
will be ready to be sent

00:25:58.413 --> 00:25:59.954
out to be pressed.

00:25:59.974 --> 00:26:00.815
Okay.

00:26:00.875 --> 00:26:01.055
Okay.

00:26:01.957 --> 00:26:02.999
So right now we're just

00:26:03.038 --> 00:26:05.041
waiting on the final colored pages.

00:26:05.883 --> 00:26:06.343
Gotcha.

00:26:06.864 --> 00:26:10.449
Throw that into a PDF after we, you know,

00:26:10.650 --> 00:26:12.311
with the digital art, you know,

00:26:12.673 --> 00:26:13.974
there's like layers on it.

00:26:14.805 --> 00:26:17.246
So we remove the text layers

00:26:17.266 --> 00:26:20.328
so that we can color the –

00:26:18.666 --> 00:26:21.107
or the Chandra can color

00:26:21.127 --> 00:26:22.048
the entire thing.

00:26:23.028 --> 00:26:24.710
Then we replace those layers.

00:26:24.730 --> 00:26:26.309
We put it all into a PDF.

00:26:26.891 --> 00:26:27.911
And, you know,

00:26:27.931 --> 00:26:29.112
then I send it off for print.

00:26:29.811 --> 00:26:33.574
And typically I release –

00:26:31.833 --> 00:26:33.073
and this is kind of a new

00:26:33.093 --> 00:26:35.134
thing because it's a new platform for me.

00:26:35.213 --> 00:26:36.615
But I just started Patreon.

00:26:37.375 --> 00:26:38.895
And I release –

00:26:39.346 --> 00:26:40.526
the digital version of the

00:26:40.566 --> 00:26:42.586
comic book first on my Patreon.

00:26:42.606 --> 00:26:42.826
Okay.

00:26:43.826 --> 00:26:46.267
And I release it, um,

00:26:46.386 --> 00:26:48.528
on my website and in print form.

00:26:49.208 --> 00:26:51.508
So I, I like, I like making sure that,

00:26:51.548 --> 00:26:51.788
you know,

00:26:52.028 --> 00:26:53.828
the supporters of the Patreon get,

00:26:54.769 --> 00:26:55.848
you know, a little something,

00:26:55.969 --> 00:26:56.608
something a little bit

00:26:56.709 --> 00:26:58.009
earlier because you got to

00:26:58.028 --> 00:26:58.828
take care of the people who

00:26:58.848 --> 00:26:59.690
take care of you and put

00:26:59.710 --> 00:27:00.529
the food on the table.

00:27:00.930 --> 00:27:01.670
A hundred percent.

00:27:01.910 --> 00:27:02.630
A hundred percent.

00:27:02.750 --> 00:27:04.029
And it keeps that ball rolling.

00:27:05.109 --> 00:27:05.590
Yeah.

00:27:05.671 --> 00:27:05.851
Yeah.

00:27:05.990 --> 00:27:07.971
And it keeps me, um,

00:27:08.597 --> 00:27:09.738
it keeps me on task.

00:27:09.919 --> 00:27:13.480
I feel like, you know, cause, um, you know,

00:27:13.720 --> 00:27:15.000
if I'm not kind of

00:27:15.040 --> 00:27:17.162
producing content and producing something,

00:27:17.221 --> 00:27:18.261
it's, you know, what am I doing?

00:27:18.602 --> 00:27:19.623
I'm, uh,

00:27:19.702 --> 00:27:21.583
I'm watching star Wars cause I'm behind.

00:27:23.304 --> 00:27:23.723
What's that?

00:27:24.284 --> 00:27:24.484
I said,

00:27:24.525 --> 00:27:25.904
I'm watching star Wars because I'm

00:27:25.944 --> 00:27:26.325
behind.

00:27:26.424 --> 00:27:29.026
Anytime I'm not doing content,

00:27:29.826 --> 00:27:30.446
I'm catching up.

00:27:30.987 --> 00:27:31.928
I got to finish Andor.

00:27:32.788 --> 00:27:33.428
Yeah, man.

00:27:33.468 --> 00:27:36.829
See, I, I am way far behind right now.

00:27:37.569 --> 00:27:37.750
Um,

00:27:38.748 --> 00:27:40.930
The last sci-fi movie I saw,

00:27:40.950 --> 00:27:42.010
I actually saw it in theaters,

00:27:42.070 --> 00:27:43.011
was Dune II.

00:27:43.652 --> 00:27:44.593
Oh, no, that's a lie.

00:27:44.972 --> 00:27:48.455
I saw the new Alien more recently.

00:27:48.516 --> 00:27:50.837
But other than that,

00:27:50.877 --> 00:27:53.259
I still have not seen the

00:27:53.299 --> 00:27:55.922
final episode of Star Wars.

00:27:58.423 --> 00:27:59.284
Which one is that one?

00:28:01.205 --> 00:28:02.066
That's not Rogue.

00:28:03.606 --> 00:28:04.107
Ahsoka?

00:28:06.069 --> 00:28:09.171
Or we have... I'm talking about the films.

00:28:10.231 --> 00:28:12.392
Oh, shoot.

00:28:12.932 --> 00:28:13.272
Yeah.

00:28:14.532 --> 00:28:15.713
Man, I'm brain farting on that one.

00:28:15.733 --> 00:28:17.574
I know, I'm brain farting too,

00:28:17.634 --> 00:28:19.515
but I still haven't seen it

00:28:19.535 --> 00:28:20.575
because I've just been...

00:28:20.595 --> 00:28:22.435
Are you talking about The

00:28:22.476 --> 00:28:23.536
Rise of Skywalker?

00:28:23.876 --> 00:28:25.257
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:28:25.376 --> 00:28:26.397
Okay, the newest trilogy.

00:28:26.837 --> 00:28:27.597
The newest one.

00:28:28.137 --> 00:28:29.538
My mind immediately goes to

00:28:30.398 --> 00:28:32.640
the original and then the second trilogy.

00:28:33.954 --> 00:28:35.776
No, I've seen those.

00:28:35.915 --> 00:28:36.516
I've seen those.

00:28:37.517 --> 00:28:39.477
I just, you know,

00:28:40.438 --> 00:28:41.518
I've been putting so much

00:28:41.557 --> 00:28:45.980
time into this that I've kind of,

00:28:47.320 --> 00:28:48.040
I don't know,

00:28:48.060 --> 00:28:48.800
I've just been out of the

00:28:48.820 --> 00:28:49.602
loop a little bit,

00:28:50.221 --> 00:28:52.323
which kind of sucks because

00:28:52.363 --> 00:28:53.323
I kind of do miss it.

00:28:54.042 --> 00:28:55.284
But it's also,

00:28:55.364 --> 00:28:59.125
it's so much time that I

00:28:59.144 --> 00:29:00.066
would need to take to kind

00:29:00.125 --> 00:29:01.226
of sit down and catch up on

00:29:01.266 --> 00:29:02.606
all the things that I've wanted to see.

00:29:04.490 --> 00:29:11.635
yeah so how um how are you

00:29:11.675 --> 00:29:14.218
translating the book to the

00:29:14.278 --> 00:29:16.318
comic book like are you are

00:29:16.338 --> 00:29:17.579
you taking the like

00:29:17.660 --> 00:29:18.661
liberties with the comic

00:29:18.681 --> 00:29:19.621
book to kind of fill in

00:29:19.661 --> 00:29:20.761
some more gaps with the

00:29:20.862 --> 00:29:22.702
book are you doing trying

00:29:22.722 --> 00:29:25.785
to do a one for one and one

00:29:25.825 --> 00:29:28.166
for one is always tough um

00:29:29.566 --> 00:29:30.727
I would say it's close,

00:29:30.926 --> 00:29:33.648
but it's definitely an abridged version.

00:29:33.689 --> 00:29:34.068
Actually,

00:29:34.128 --> 00:29:35.128
I don't even know if I'd call it

00:29:35.169 --> 00:29:37.330
an abridged version, because in the book,

00:29:37.411 --> 00:29:39.692
I take a lot of time to, you know,

00:29:39.711 --> 00:29:40.792
the descriptive writing,

00:29:40.853 --> 00:29:42.093
the world building portion.

00:29:43.273 --> 00:29:43.513
You know,

00:29:43.554 --> 00:29:44.775
we're basically just relaying

00:29:44.795 --> 00:29:46.135
that through the images.

00:29:46.973 --> 00:29:48.335
You know, it's just, it's there.

00:29:49.715 --> 00:29:51.356
That's more of a discussion between,

00:29:51.497 --> 00:29:53.837
you know, me and Francisco and Chandra,

00:29:54.858 --> 00:29:56.539
just to make sure that, you know,

00:29:56.559 --> 00:29:58.320
it's kind of matching what I'm going for.

00:29:58.820 --> 00:30:02.462
But as far as the script, it's very,

00:30:03.564 --> 00:30:05.744
it's dialogue heavy, I would say.

00:30:06.165 --> 00:30:08.186
It's a lot of, you know,

00:30:08.227 --> 00:30:10.827
dialogue between the characters that are,

00:30:10.968 --> 00:30:12.209
you know, kind of the main characters.

00:30:12.608 --> 00:30:13.589
And so I had to cut that

00:30:13.630 --> 00:30:15.010
down a lot to make sure that,

00:30:16.249 --> 00:30:18.589
You know, because it would just be a book.

00:30:18.690 --> 00:30:19.111
Otherwise,

00:30:19.131 --> 00:30:20.230
it would just be a whole page of

00:30:20.270 --> 00:30:21.311
text and you wouldn't be

00:30:21.352 --> 00:30:23.172
able to see the pictures.

00:30:23.232 --> 00:30:24.452
I've seen a few comic books

00:30:24.472 --> 00:30:25.733
that way and it was horrible.

00:30:26.114 --> 00:30:28.194
Yeah, that's it.

00:30:28.255 --> 00:30:30.115
It needs to be an enjoyable experience,

00:30:30.175 --> 00:30:30.375
right?

00:30:30.435 --> 00:30:31.736
One that flows nicely.

00:30:32.457 --> 00:30:33.356
And it really does.

00:30:33.416 --> 00:30:36.178
Everything melds together really nicely.

00:30:36.618 --> 00:30:40.039
I read a lot of comic books.

00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:41.401
I don't know if you can see it, but...

00:30:43.119 --> 00:30:44.661
That's this week's comic books.

00:30:46.340 --> 00:30:47.701
Granted, it was a huge week.

00:30:47.781 --> 00:30:49.321
Exquisite corpses from tiny

00:30:49.422 --> 00:30:51.042
onion and image come out this week.

00:30:51.103 --> 00:30:53.403
So James Tinian drops a new book.

00:30:54.104 --> 00:30:54.923
I'm all over it.

00:30:54.943 --> 00:30:56.443
Nice.

00:30:56.505 --> 00:30:58.724
So there's a lot of variant

00:30:58.765 --> 00:31:00.665
covers in there for that one book alone,

00:31:00.685 --> 00:31:01.786
because I'm like, Oh,

00:31:01.806 --> 00:31:03.007
this artist did a cover.

00:31:03.047 --> 00:31:03.126
Yeah.

00:31:03.146 --> 00:31:04.126
I'm going to have to get that.

00:31:04.586 --> 00:31:06.347
You know, I'm that guy.

00:31:06.667 --> 00:31:09.388
And I, I'm, it's, I'm unashamed by it.

00:31:10.236 --> 00:31:11.236
No, why would you be?

00:31:11.516 --> 00:31:12.297
That's fine.

00:31:12.396 --> 00:31:13.116
Exactly.

00:31:16.218 --> 00:31:18.577
I respect that.

00:31:18.738 --> 00:31:20.519
Since I've kind of entered

00:31:20.558 --> 00:31:21.479
the comic book game,

00:31:21.519 --> 00:31:23.519
I've been trying to step up

00:31:23.559 --> 00:31:24.579
my game a little bit.

00:31:24.619 --> 00:31:26.300
And I'm starting to visit a

00:31:26.340 --> 00:31:28.560
lot of the indie comic book

00:31:29.580 --> 00:31:30.761
authors and creators at

00:31:30.801 --> 00:31:32.122
their booths whenever I get

00:31:32.142 --> 00:31:33.623
a second to run away from my booth.

00:31:34.143 --> 00:31:35.603
Usually when they're helping me,

00:31:35.643 --> 00:31:37.463
it's either my wife or my brother.

00:31:39.198 --> 00:31:40.138
I've got a couple of friends

00:31:40.159 --> 00:31:41.619
that have helped me in the past as well.

00:31:41.941 --> 00:31:42.760
It's always good to have a

00:31:42.800 --> 00:31:43.801
second hand at these big

00:31:43.842 --> 00:31:45.403
conventions because they can get hectic.

00:31:45.443 --> 00:31:48.006
And yeah,

00:31:48.987 --> 00:31:50.248
those are also a ton of fun

00:31:50.268 --> 00:31:51.368
because you get to interact

00:31:51.388 --> 00:31:51.990
with everyone.

00:31:52.049 --> 00:31:57.253
But yeah, as far as the comic book,

00:31:57.595 --> 00:31:58.976
cutting down the dialogue

00:31:59.435 --> 00:32:01.857
has been the one thing I'd

00:32:01.898 --> 00:32:04.121
say Francisco has had to

00:32:04.141 --> 00:32:05.161
like get on me for.

00:32:06.684 --> 00:32:07.204
Like, hey, man,

00:32:07.224 --> 00:32:09.126
this is a lot of text for this.

00:32:09.247 --> 00:32:09.446
Like,

00:32:09.987 --> 00:32:12.068
you want me to fit this into two screens?

00:32:12.128 --> 00:32:13.150
And I'm like, shit, yeah.

00:32:13.170 --> 00:32:14.351
So I got to figure out how

00:32:14.371 --> 00:32:16.492
to make it work while still

00:32:16.553 --> 00:32:17.534
relaying the message and

00:32:17.574 --> 00:32:20.215
still maintaining the feel

00:32:20.696 --> 00:32:21.978
of that conversation.

00:32:23.598 --> 00:32:25.820
I've always loved, like,

00:32:26.761 --> 00:32:28.303
I love movies with, like,

00:32:29.003 --> 00:32:30.224
meaningful dialogue.

00:32:30.599 --> 00:32:33.261
Like, I love Quentin Tarantino's movies,

00:32:33.301 --> 00:32:34.222
like, because there's always, like,

00:32:34.242 --> 00:32:35.604
those big dialogue scenes

00:32:35.644 --> 00:32:37.805
that are just impactful.

00:32:38.846 --> 00:32:41.027
And I wanted to...

00:32:43.823 --> 00:32:45.324
affect that a little bit.

00:32:45.364 --> 00:32:47.605
You know, I like those types of scenes.

00:32:48.184 --> 00:32:50.807
And so that's why, you know,

00:32:50.866 --> 00:32:52.228
basically that this first

00:32:52.268 --> 00:32:54.929
comic takes place in this gritty,

00:32:55.930 --> 00:32:58.211
cyberpunk, subterranean bar.

00:32:59.751 --> 00:33:01.011
And there will be other, you know,

00:33:01.092 --> 00:33:02.692
in future comics, I also,

00:33:02.972 --> 00:33:04.634
it will be a little bit more dynamic.

00:33:06.474 --> 00:33:07.516
I actually just sent,

00:33:07.615 --> 00:33:08.896
I don't know if Francisco

00:33:08.957 --> 00:33:13.278
told you about the Comic Zero comic,

00:33:13.567 --> 00:33:14.067
Yeah.

00:33:14.586 --> 00:33:15.567
We're going to get there.

00:33:15.688 --> 00:33:17.087
But since you brought it up,

00:33:18.847 --> 00:33:19.929
you are doing so.

00:33:20.249 --> 00:33:21.769
And I love the fact you're doing this.

00:33:21.969 --> 00:33:24.269
You're doing a boom, boom,

00:33:24.869 --> 00:33:27.109
taking a step back and

00:33:27.250 --> 00:33:28.911
giving us issue zero,

00:33:28.971 --> 00:33:31.530
a prequel to what we're currently seeing,

00:33:31.570 --> 00:33:32.551
which to me is.

00:33:33.291 --> 00:33:34.531
Yeah, dude.

00:33:34.612 --> 00:33:34.832
Yeah.

00:33:34.872 --> 00:33:35.852
Sometimes you got to do that.

00:33:35.912 --> 00:33:37.032
And I think you're doing it

00:33:37.133 --> 00:33:39.752
early enough to where it will be.

00:33:39.873 --> 00:33:40.093
Yeah.

00:33:44.376 --> 00:33:45.998
I, it was,

00:33:46.117 --> 00:33:48.099
it was an idea that I had after

00:33:49.259 --> 00:33:53.903
a discussion I had with Fran and I,

00:33:53.923 --> 00:33:55.305
I basically was like, all right, well,

00:33:56.005 --> 00:33:57.886
I already know where the book is going,

00:33:58.267 --> 00:33:59.807
where that storyline goes.

00:33:59.847 --> 00:34:00.107
Right.

00:34:00.448 --> 00:34:01.909
So I'm going to keep that in

00:34:02.369 --> 00:34:04.230
kind of chronological order,

00:34:04.790 --> 00:34:06.752
but I did want to do a

00:34:06.833 --> 00:34:08.434
segment before the book

00:34:08.494 --> 00:34:10.615
while he's still an adult and sometime,

00:34:10.735 --> 00:34:12.257
you know, in between and,

00:34:13.570 --> 00:34:15.610
and that is is stuff that I

00:34:15.650 --> 00:34:16.791
don't talk about as much in

00:34:16.811 --> 00:34:19.853
the book uh so anything

00:34:19.873 --> 00:34:21.014
that basically happens in

00:34:21.054 --> 00:34:22.114
the book and on is going to

00:34:22.135 --> 00:34:23.434
go forward in chronological

00:34:23.556 --> 00:34:24.835
order and anything that

00:34:24.876 --> 00:34:26.657
happens before that is

00:34:26.677 --> 00:34:27.818
going to go backward so

00:34:27.878 --> 00:34:29.038
it's going to be so like

00:34:29.759 --> 00:34:33.420
the next episode after zero

00:34:33.780 --> 00:34:34.681
going backward in

00:34:34.722 --> 00:34:36.242
chronological order will be

00:34:36.663 --> 00:34:38.523
episode zero x one

00:34:39.556 --> 00:34:41.318
And then episode zero X two.

00:34:42.398 --> 00:34:43.878
I love that concept, man.

00:34:44.278 --> 00:34:45.019
I really do.

00:34:45.340 --> 00:34:47.420
It's just a really dope

00:34:47.440 --> 00:34:49.362
concept because that one I

00:34:49.382 --> 00:34:50.382
haven't seen before.

00:34:50.422 --> 00:34:51.742
So it's very different and

00:34:51.782 --> 00:34:53.643
it's very unique to what

00:34:53.804 --> 00:34:55.965
you're about to do.

00:34:56.085 --> 00:34:57.806
And that's good to know.

00:35:00.166 --> 00:35:00.327
So,

00:35:00.547 --> 00:35:02.108
so we'll basically have the timeline

00:35:02.128 --> 00:35:04.028
going in two different directions is,

00:35:04.148 --> 00:35:05.949
is the, is basically how I thought of it.

00:35:05.969 --> 00:35:07.690
No, that's,

00:35:08.947 --> 00:35:09.148
Yeah.

00:35:09.829 --> 00:35:10.168
Oh, yeah.

00:35:11.269 --> 00:35:12.251
And that's definitely going

00:35:12.271 --> 00:35:14.913
to require some some intricate planning.

00:35:16.434 --> 00:35:17.315
But, you know,

00:35:17.335 --> 00:35:18.675
it's nothing I haven't done

00:35:18.695 --> 00:35:19.617
before at this point.

00:35:19.677 --> 00:35:20.338
It's you know,

00:35:20.418 --> 00:35:21.898
it's the stuff I've been

00:35:21.938 --> 00:35:22.800
doing for the last three

00:35:22.820 --> 00:35:23.440
and a half years.

00:35:24.501 --> 00:35:25.942
So you plan on doing the

00:35:26.141 --> 00:35:28.184
same thing with the book or

00:35:28.224 --> 00:35:29.045
is the book just going to

00:35:29.065 --> 00:35:30.126
continue to go forward?

00:35:31.141 --> 00:35:32.161
Or will you take a step back

00:35:32.222 --> 00:35:33.922
to do a book zero too?

00:35:35.385 --> 00:35:36.465
That kind of encompasses

00:35:36.606 --> 00:35:40.929
like the entire zero at one type of feel.

00:35:40.969 --> 00:35:42.010
So one of the things that I

00:35:42.070 --> 00:35:46.974
have contemplated is offshoot series,

00:35:47.534 --> 00:35:48.195
which it's,

00:35:49.036 --> 00:35:49.956
very early to be

00:35:50.016 --> 00:35:51.157
contemplating anything like

00:35:51.197 --> 00:35:52.559
that when I still have, you know,

00:35:53.119 --> 00:35:54.760
five and a half books to write,

00:35:54.820 --> 00:35:55.380
basically.

00:35:55.581 --> 00:35:57.202
I'm about halfway through book two now.

00:35:58.143 --> 00:35:59.784
I actually just finished

00:35:59.824 --> 00:36:00.784
another chapter today.

00:36:01.346 --> 00:36:03.867
So what I think I'm going to

00:36:03.907 --> 00:36:06.469
do is I'd like to have

00:36:07.273 --> 00:36:07.992
a couple of different

00:36:08.032 --> 00:36:11.574
characters in the focus for

00:36:11.893 --> 00:36:14.195
like an offshoot series following their,

00:36:15.355 --> 00:36:16.416
their origin story.

00:36:16.976 --> 00:36:18.456
And then I know you read the,

00:36:18.655 --> 00:36:20.757
the history portion of it, which was,

00:36:21.356 --> 00:36:21.577
you know,

00:36:21.597 --> 00:36:22.556
at the very beginning where I

00:36:22.597 --> 00:36:24.438
explained how we basically got there.

00:36:25.097 --> 00:36:26.458
Well, in that history section,

00:36:26.518 --> 00:36:28.139
I described the hundred years war.

00:36:28.958 --> 00:36:30.338
Which is basically the war

00:36:30.579 --> 00:36:31.780
over planet Deorum,

00:36:32.420 --> 00:36:33.519
which is the closest

00:36:33.960 --> 00:36:36.360
habitable planet to the

00:36:36.460 --> 00:36:37.581
source of Videlarian.

00:36:39.021 --> 00:36:40.342
Which I do want to talk

00:36:40.362 --> 00:36:41.461
about more because I feel

00:36:41.481 --> 00:36:42.762
like I don't talk about that enough,

00:36:42.902 --> 00:36:43.862
what Videlarian is.

00:36:44.922 --> 00:36:46.983
Because you touched on it in

00:36:47.043 --> 00:36:48.204
the beginning of the book.

00:36:49.068 --> 00:36:49.447
Yes.

00:36:49.849 --> 00:36:50.889
And we know it's an energy

00:36:50.929 --> 00:36:52.170
source that was discovered

00:36:52.210 --> 00:36:54.572
by a probe that NASA sent out.

00:36:55.371 --> 00:36:57.213
And then the probe got lost,

00:36:57.353 --> 00:36:59.494
or it just kind of disappeared for, what,

00:36:59.554 --> 00:37:01.175
thirty years, I think, is in the book?

00:37:01.675 --> 00:37:02.036
Yes.

00:37:02.797 --> 00:37:04.378
And then it magically one

00:37:04.398 --> 00:37:05.719
day crash lands in Egypt,

00:37:05.838 --> 00:37:08.239
which I thought was cool, but that's me.

00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:10.942
And then it has this power

00:37:10.981 --> 00:37:13.643
source just kind of lodged into it.

00:37:14.264 --> 00:37:14.764
Yep.

00:37:14.784 --> 00:37:17.365
Which, again, really dope that

00:37:19.451 --> 00:37:20.693
just genius, dude.

00:37:22.157 --> 00:37:22.539
And then it,

00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:23.822
it kicks off the story

00:37:23.842 --> 00:37:24.844
basically from there.

00:37:25.465 --> 00:37:25.786
Right.

00:37:26.568 --> 00:37:27.190
And, um,

00:37:28.672 --> 00:37:30.333
I definitely want to do a

00:37:30.413 --> 00:37:33.195
series on that war that

00:37:33.255 --> 00:37:35.135
ends up getting fought over Videlarium.

00:37:36.317 --> 00:37:37.197
Because I feel like that

00:37:37.237 --> 00:37:38.177
would be an awesome,

00:37:38.938 --> 00:37:40.099
that could be another

00:37:40.199 --> 00:37:42.019
really fun story to follow.

00:37:43.501 --> 00:37:45.842
And once again, that would be six planets,

00:37:46.242 --> 00:37:49.324
each with their own special characters,

00:37:50.384 --> 00:37:51.445
different factions within

00:37:51.485 --> 00:37:52.445
the government that are

00:37:52.965 --> 00:37:54.226
kind of going back and forth,

00:37:54.266 --> 00:37:56.307
making deals, breaking alliances,

00:37:56.367 --> 00:37:56.967
things like that.

00:37:58.615 --> 00:37:59.717
Um, but yeah, but it's all,

00:37:59.856 --> 00:38:01.438
it's all for vitilarium, man.

00:38:02.117 --> 00:38:05.699
And, uh, I described vitilarium as, uh,

00:38:05.719 --> 00:38:07.300
basically like a blue

00:38:07.360 --> 00:38:08.521
crystalline element.

00:38:09.382 --> 00:38:09.842
Um,

00:38:09.922 --> 00:38:12.784
it emits this strange kind of ominous

00:38:12.864 --> 00:38:14.965
blue glow and it almost

00:38:14.985 --> 00:38:16.806
looks like there's smoke

00:38:16.965 --> 00:38:19.166
kind of swirling within the translucent,

00:38:19.186 --> 00:38:22.547
uh, I guess, casing of the, the element.

00:38:23.409 --> 00:38:23.528
Um,

00:38:24.884 --> 00:38:29.650
And it doesn't just act as the fuel source,

00:38:29.731 --> 00:38:31.452
but it's also the mechanism

00:38:31.512 --> 00:38:34.536
by which we achieve true,

00:38:36.420 --> 00:38:37.940
faster than light travel so

00:38:37.960 --> 00:38:39.521
to speak now technically

00:38:39.541 --> 00:38:40.740
you cannot travel faster

00:38:40.780 --> 00:38:41.961
than light but it has

00:38:42.621 --> 00:38:43.802
basically the idea is that

00:38:43.862 --> 00:38:45.762
if you apply the right

00:38:46.103 --> 00:38:48.443
force to this element it

00:38:48.483 --> 00:38:50.563
creates a field around it

00:38:51.063 --> 00:38:52.324
that essentially allows it

00:38:52.364 --> 00:38:55.485
to bend space time and uh

00:38:55.505 --> 00:38:57.865
basically shorten space so

00:38:57.905 --> 00:38:59.327
that someone can travel

00:39:00.686 --> 00:39:02.226
and basically negate the

00:39:02.266 --> 00:39:05.728
laws of relativity in terms of, you know,

00:39:05.789 --> 00:39:07.409
it would take, you know,

00:39:07.449 --> 00:39:09.951
how long for us to travel one light year.

00:39:10.550 --> 00:39:11.731
And, you know,

00:39:11.771 --> 00:39:15.052
just the time differentiation that is,

00:39:16.494 --> 00:39:16.813
I guess,

00:39:16.853 --> 00:39:19.936
involved in like traveling long

00:39:19.976 --> 00:39:21.536
distance like that at those speeds.

00:39:22.318 --> 00:39:25.442
You know, time passes differently for you.

00:39:25.481 --> 00:39:26.143
Like you're there,

00:39:26.222 --> 00:39:27.603
you're traveling at that

00:39:27.643 --> 00:39:28.684
speed for two years,

00:39:28.746 --> 00:39:30.306
but like fifty years has

00:39:30.347 --> 00:39:31.489
passed back on Earth.

00:39:33.530 --> 00:39:37.655
It's it's something that I wanted to make.

00:39:37.695 --> 00:39:40.239
Part of it is like my own want.

00:39:41.012 --> 00:39:42.313
my own like desire to be

00:39:42.353 --> 00:39:44.876
able to go out there and explore space.

00:39:44.976 --> 00:39:46.697
But I don't know if I'm

00:39:46.717 --> 00:39:47.416
going to live to that.

00:39:47.436 --> 00:39:48.438
So I just figured I'd build

00:39:48.518 --> 00:39:49.378
a world where I could

00:39:49.438 --> 00:39:52.641
create a plausible scenario

00:39:52.681 --> 00:39:56.182
that is based in some, you know,

00:39:56.282 --> 00:39:57.583
modern physics theory.

00:39:57.623 --> 00:39:57.844
I mean,

00:39:57.943 --> 00:40:00.606
I based this kind of mechanism on

00:40:00.646 --> 00:40:01.766
the Alcubierre drive.

00:40:02.764 --> 00:40:05.367
which is, that was Miguel Ocubierre.

00:40:06.347 --> 00:40:08.347
He's a physicist who basically,

00:40:09.228 --> 00:40:10.309
he's the one who basically

00:40:11.110 --> 00:40:13.652
came up with the theory of the,

00:40:13.851 --> 00:40:17.393
like a warp drive.

00:40:17.713 --> 00:40:20.916
Like a working theory of a warp drive.

00:40:21.637 --> 00:40:22.637
Growing up watching Star

00:40:22.677 --> 00:40:23.697
Wars and Star Trek,

00:40:23.858 --> 00:40:25.139
that's kind of like always

00:40:26.119 --> 00:40:27.981
the dream in the back of your head, like,

00:40:28.521 --> 00:40:29.961
that would be so cool, you know?

00:40:30.811 --> 00:40:31.391
Exactly.

00:40:31.992 --> 00:40:32.632
Exactly.

00:40:32.771 --> 00:40:33.952
And that's yeah.

00:40:34.172 --> 00:40:37.494
So this was me kind of

00:40:38.114 --> 00:40:39.396
finding a way to fulfill my

00:40:39.476 --> 00:40:41.077
own fantasies a little bit.

00:40:41.757 --> 00:40:43.318
But like I said,

00:40:43.418 --> 00:40:45.278
it's the vitilarium is so

00:40:45.318 --> 00:40:47.519
important because it's not

00:40:47.539 --> 00:40:48.460
just the power source.

00:40:48.521 --> 00:40:49.902
It's the mechanism by which

00:40:51.563 --> 00:40:54.043
interstellar travel is made possible.

00:40:54.668 --> 00:40:55.849
widely available for

00:40:55.929 --> 00:40:57.552
everyone yeah I mean you

00:40:57.612 --> 00:40:58.813
mentioned in the beginning

00:40:58.833 --> 00:41:00.115
there when it's discovered

00:41:00.135 --> 00:41:01.739
that a small piece has

00:41:01.778 --> 00:41:04.262
enabled uh time travel that

00:41:04.282 --> 00:41:05.824
way or not time travel but like

00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:09.820
you know, interstellar space travel.

00:41:10.139 --> 00:41:10.440
Yeah.

00:41:10.519 --> 00:41:11.059
Is the word.

00:41:11.519 --> 00:41:12.139
I think I,

00:41:12.199 --> 00:41:13.239
cause I know exactly the part

00:41:13.260 --> 00:41:13.940
you're talking about.

00:41:13.960 --> 00:41:16.240
So the way I described it was a,

00:41:16.280 --> 00:41:18.521
basically a chunk of vitilarium,

00:41:18.541 --> 00:41:20.302
the size of your fist could

00:41:20.322 --> 00:41:23.722
be used to power a spacefaring vessel.

00:41:23.742 --> 00:41:25.704
That's the size of a football field.

00:41:25.824 --> 00:41:26.143
Yes.

00:41:26.824 --> 00:41:27.923
That's like the exact line.

00:41:27.963 --> 00:41:28.625
How'd you do that?

00:41:29.045 --> 00:41:29.445
Yes.

00:41:31.065 --> 00:41:31.985
I, I mean, you wrote the book,

00:41:32.005 --> 00:41:32.865
but still just to be able

00:41:32.885 --> 00:41:33.925
to recall the entire,

00:41:35.304 --> 00:41:37.146
just read it like yesterday and I'm like,

00:41:37.246 --> 00:41:37.505
oh damn,

00:41:37.545 --> 00:41:39.106
he just almost quoted that word for word.

00:41:39.507 --> 00:41:39.746
Well,

00:41:39.887 --> 00:41:41.608
I went through a pretty rigorous

00:41:42.248 --> 00:41:43.349
editing process.

00:41:43.528 --> 00:41:44.949
So I went through two rounds

00:41:44.989 --> 00:41:46.731
of editing and four rounds

00:41:46.771 --> 00:41:47.590
of proofreading.

00:41:49.271 --> 00:41:50.572
And that was after I did my

00:41:50.672 --> 00:41:51.672
own first round of

00:41:51.753 --> 00:41:52.673
proofreading before

00:41:53.393 --> 00:41:54.594
submitting it to publishers.

00:41:55.735 --> 00:41:57.315
So I almost got to a point

00:41:57.356 --> 00:41:58.956
where I was like, man,

00:41:58.996 --> 00:42:00.838
if I have to read my own book again,

00:42:00.898 --> 00:42:01.237
like I'm...

00:42:12.626 --> 00:42:15.148
When you've put this much

00:42:15.268 --> 00:42:18.251
effort into creating something like this,

00:42:18.351 --> 00:42:21.114
it tends to stick with you, I've noticed.

00:42:24.773 --> 00:42:26.134
mean we we're basically like

00:42:26.173 --> 00:42:27.976
I wrote this nice long well

00:42:28.016 --> 00:42:29.978
not nice long you know you

00:42:29.998 --> 00:42:31.119
know list of questions and

00:42:31.358 --> 00:42:32.539
like like no as we're

00:42:32.559 --> 00:42:33.280
sitting here having this

00:42:33.300 --> 00:42:34.262
conversation you're kind of

00:42:34.362 --> 00:42:35.503
answering them as we go

00:42:35.543 --> 00:42:37.545
it's just like we're

00:42:37.585 --> 00:42:38.666
leaving each other into the

00:42:38.726 --> 00:42:41.688
next one but I'll ask you

00:42:41.728 --> 00:42:43.869
this you said that you're

00:42:44.050 --> 00:42:45.211
talking to different people

00:42:45.251 --> 00:42:46.672
at cons and stuff like that

00:42:46.693 --> 00:42:47.893
who are some of the artists

00:42:47.974 --> 00:42:49.155
or writers that you have

00:42:49.195 --> 00:42:50.856
talked to and kind of like

00:42:52.005 --> 00:42:53.485
pulled you in a little bit and said, Hey,

00:42:53.626 --> 00:42:54.885
you know, here's some good advice.

00:42:55.065 --> 00:42:56.226
Like who are some of the

00:42:56.306 --> 00:42:57.407
ones that you have spoken to?

00:42:58.286 --> 00:43:00.608
So I've spoken to a couple of them.

00:43:00.688 --> 00:43:04.070
So, uh, there's a guy named, uh, Bowden,

00:43:04.829 --> 00:43:06.230
uh, Sarah.

00:43:06.471 --> 00:43:07.411
Oh man.

00:43:10.210 --> 00:43:11.851
I don't want to butcher his last name.

00:43:12.751 --> 00:43:15.112
I butcher last names left and right, man.

00:43:15.932 --> 00:43:16.172
Yeah.

00:43:16.572 --> 00:43:19.695
But I'll find it for you in a minute.

00:43:20.855 --> 00:43:22.416
But he's definitely someone.

00:43:22.436 --> 00:43:24.536
He's got a number of comics.

00:43:26.856 --> 00:43:28.518
Martin from Cosmic Times.

00:43:30.518 --> 00:43:31.659
He's been very helpful.

00:43:31.739 --> 00:43:33.619
He's local to the South Florida area.

00:43:34.480 --> 00:43:36.021
A lot of people in the South

00:43:36.041 --> 00:43:37.922
Florida area have been very

00:43:37.942 --> 00:43:38.862
gracious and generous.

00:43:39.380 --> 00:43:40.902
very open with it's,

00:43:41.003 --> 00:43:42.403
it's a really cool community, man,

00:43:42.443 --> 00:43:45.827
because you, if, if you just ask, I mean,

00:43:45.947 --> 00:43:47.108
people are happy to share

00:43:47.168 --> 00:43:48.070
information with you.

00:43:48.110 --> 00:43:50.652
It's a very, it's very much like it's,

00:43:50.793 --> 00:43:52.253
it's a feast mentality,

00:43:52.313 --> 00:43:53.596
not a famine mentality.

00:43:53.715 --> 00:43:54.255
Like, Oh, Hey,

00:43:54.356 --> 00:43:55.717
I did this and this worked for me.

00:43:55.757 --> 00:43:56.538
Like you should do that too.

00:43:56.559 --> 00:43:56.938
Like it,

00:43:57.802 --> 00:43:59.123
I think I've gotten back

00:43:59.163 --> 00:44:00.903
into comic books and doing

00:44:00.943 --> 00:44:03.105
this weekly comic book show

00:44:03.144 --> 00:44:05.764
where I drop my recommendations, you know,

00:44:05.945 --> 00:44:06.985
as I posted different

00:44:07.025 --> 00:44:08.505
covers and the short bids

00:44:08.525 --> 00:44:09.286
and stuff like that.

00:44:09.306 --> 00:44:09.726
And I like,

00:44:09.806 --> 00:44:12.766
I tagged the artists and the writers, uh,

00:44:12.786 --> 00:44:13.628
the guys who do the

00:44:13.648 --> 00:44:14.568
lettering because to me,

00:44:14.608 --> 00:44:16.427
lettering is one of the, you can have the,

00:44:16.548 --> 00:44:18.429
the sexiest comic book in the world,

00:44:18.449 --> 00:44:19.889
but if the lettering is all

00:44:19.969 --> 00:44:21.349
over the place and hot garbage, uh,

00:44:22.592 --> 00:44:23.592
just killed the whole book

00:44:23.632 --> 00:44:26.835
you know so I I I show them

00:44:26.875 --> 00:44:28.016
appreciation by tagging

00:44:28.036 --> 00:44:29.998
them in my post and you'd

00:44:30.038 --> 00:44:31.759
be surprised how many reach

00:44:31.878 --> 00:44:33.400
out and just go hey dude

00:44:33.440 --> 00:44:35.541
I'm glad you enjoyed you

00:44:35.581 --> 00:44:37.422
know this he's like I'm

00:44:37.463 --> 00:44:38.543
just a letter we don't get

00:44:38.583 --> 00:44:39.824
a lot of people who reach

00:44:39.985 --> 00:44:42.045
out I'm like dude lettering

00:44:42.106 --> 00:44:45.369
meets the book you know yeah

00:44:46.331 --> 00:44:47.492
it's all about placement.

00:44:47.512 --> 00:44:47.692
Like,

00:44:47.972 --> 00:44:49.233
are you really going to stick that

00:44:49.293 --> 00:44:50.574
box over that dude's face?

00:44:50.614 --> 00:44:50.974
Come on.

00:44:50.994 --> 00:44:52.916
And I've seen it.

00:44:52.996 --> 00:44:53.697
I've seen it.

00:44:54.177 --> 00:44:57.260
You know, it's, it's important,

00:44:57.641 --> 00:44:58.742
which is why I have so much

00:44:58.782 --> 00:45:00.543
respect for the guys who are, you know,

00:45:00.563 --> 00:45:01.443
who are doing it right.

00:45:01.503 --> 00:45:01.965
Like it's,

00:45:02.045 --> 00:45:03.425
I can't tell you how thankful I

00:45:03.485 --> 00:45:05.867
am that I found Francisco and Chandra.

00:45:06.789 --> 00:45:08.289
Nathan Zerdy lives down there.

00:45:08.650 --> 00:45:09.590
He's down in your area.

00:45:11.072 --> 00:45:11.813
Nathan Zerdy.

00:45:12.653 --> 00:45:14.914
I don't know him.

00:45:16.076 --> 00:45:17.036
He does a lot of covers for

00:45:17.157 --> 00:45:20.239
DC and a few others.

00:45:20.878 --> 00:45:23.721
He's really, in the last two years,

00:45:24.420 --> 00:45:27.043
he's all over the place doing some really,

00:45:27.202 --> 00:45:28.443
really nice covers.

00:45:29.164 --> 00:45:30.864
I'll have to keep an eye out for him.

00:45:31.065 --> 00:45:32.885
I do think he's down in the Tampa area.

00:45:32.905 --> 00:45:36.568
He'll probably be at Tampa Bay Comic Con,

00:45:36.807 --> 00:45:38.469
which I'm going to.

00:45:38.489 --> 00:45:40.951
More than likely, yep.

00:45:41.010 --> 00:45:41.210
Yeah.

00:45:42.014 --> 00:45:43.315
Nathan Zerdy, you said, right?

00:45:43.898 --> 00:45:44.137
Yep.

00:45:44.498 --> 00:45:46.521
S-Z-E-R-D-Y.

00:45:47.184 --> 00:45:47.704
Gotcha.

00:45:48.045 --> 00:45:48.686
Okay.

00:45:48.746 --> 00:45:48.947
All right.

00:45:48.967 --> 00:45:50.028
I'll keep an eye out for him.

00:45:51.331 --> 00:45:51.490
So...

00:45:52.943 --> 00:45:54.925
Is Francisco doing your covers as well?

00:45:54.965 --> 00:45:56.425
Is he just doing your art?

00:45:56.704 --> 00:45:58.065
He does my covers as well.

00:45:58.646 --> 00:45:58.885
Cool.

00:45:59.445 --> 00:45:59.905
Yeah.

00:45:59.925 --> 00:46:01.527
Do you mind if I bring up the cover?

00:46:01.987 --> 00:46:02.827
Oh, a hundred percent.

00:46:02.887 --> 00:46:03.686
Yeah.

00:46:03.766 --> 00:46:04.007
Yeah.

00:46:04.047 --> 00:46:05.427
Let's let me see if I can

00:46:05.447 --> 00:46:06.168
get this to work.

00:46:06.568 --> 00:46:07.548
I always like to hear other

00:46:07.568 --> 00:46:09.009
people's feedback on it too.

00:46:09.068 --> 00:46:11.130
I want to hear what's, what's cool,

00:46:11.190 --> 00:46:12.449
what works, what you like,

00:46:12.530 --> 00:46:15.170
what stands out, all that kind of stuff.

00:46:15.231 --> 00:46:17.891
Here we go.

00:46:30.016 --> 00:46:30.297
Of course,

00:46:30.356 --> 00:46:31.597
it's just going to bring... You

00:46:31.617 --> 00:46:31.958
know what?

00:46:32.617 --> 00:46:33.358
It's irritating.

00:46:37.318 --> 00:46:37.818
Because now I've got to

00:46:37.858 --> 00:46:38.938
figure out what page it's on.

00:46:38.978 --> 00:46:39.318
Here we go.

00:46:39.338 --> 00:46:45.121
Hey, there it is.

00:46:45.581 --> 00:46:46.041
There it is.

00:46:46.061 --> 00:46:47.422
I hate the fact that it came up this way.

00:46:47.442 --> 00:46:49.802
I thought I had it pulled up

00:46:49.842 --> 00:46:51.443
separately already, but I guess not.

00:46:52.202 --> 00:46:52.842
But that's it.

00:46:53.967 --> 00:46:55.909
really really dope cover I

00:46:55.929 --> 00:46:56.929
mean as soon as you see the

00:46:56.969 --> 00:46:58.349
cover you have these full

00:46:59.550 --> 00:47:02.172
cyberpunk vibes and the

00:47:02.231 --> 00:47:02.972
dude just looks like a

00:47:03.032 --> 00:47:04.813
complete badass walking

00:47:04.833 --> 00:47:08.394
through the middle of town

00:47:08.414 --> 00:47:09.655
with the gun on his back

00:47:09.994 --> 00:47:11.096
that says hard ass

00:47:11.416 --> 00:47:14.137
everything about it yeah

00:47:14.257 --> 00:47:15.418
and you can you can tell in

00:47:15.438 --> 00:47:16.918
the comic that he's he

00:47:16.958 --> 00:47:17.699
really doesn't give a

00:47:19.610 --> 00:47:21.170
The very first book, I will attest,

00:47:21.190 --> 00:47:22.391
the very first book says he

00:47:22.431 --> 00:47:25.313
doesn't give a shit.

00:47:26.333 --> 00:47:28.894
He doesn't have time for this shit.

00:47:29.074 --> 00:47:30.436
He literally told a guy he

00:47:30.476 --> 00:47:31.456
was going to blow his

00:47:31.496 --> 00:47:33.577
finger off and feed it to him.

00:47:36.840 --> 00:47:41.724
did it yeah yeah that's um I

00:47:41.744 --> 00:47:42.905
I saw that cover when at

00:47:42.965 --> 00:47:45.286
first basically when it was

00:47:45.507 --> 00:47:46.728
in black and white form and

00:47:46.768 --> 00:47:47.809
I was like oh this is

00:47:47.909 --> 00:47:49.311
exactly what I was looking

00:47:49.331 --> 00:47:53.675
for um we I've I've got a

00:47:53.755 --> 00:47:55.556
good like I said kind of

00:47:55.596 --> 00:47:56.998
working relationship now at

00:47:57.038 --> 00:47:59.539
this point with the uh my

00:47:59.559 --> 00:48:00.880
illustrator and my colorist

00:48:01.550 --> 00:48:02.650
to the point where I feel

00:48:02.670 --> 00:48:03.972
like I can explain things

00:48:04.012 --> 00:48:05.494
to them on like a fairly

00:48:05.554 --> 00:48:06.916
cursory level and they know

00:48:06.976 --> 00:48:08.317
exactly what I'm going for.

00:48:08.336 --> 00:48:09.798
It's like they're pulling it

00:48:09.838 --> 00:48:10.980
out of my brain now at this

00:48:11.039 --> 00:48:13.782
point with the help of the script.

00:48:14.483 --> 00:48:18.307
And yeah, they've done just an amazing job,

00:48:18.467 --> 00:48:18.608
so.

00:48:19.809 --> 00:48:21.030
um would you be okay if I

00:48:21.050 --> 00:48:22.190
scrolled a couple of pages

00:48:22.572 --> 00:48:24.233
yeah yeah you can scroll I

00:48:24.273 --> 00:48:25.034
don't want to give a whole

00:48:25.054 --> 00:48:26.014
lot away because I do

00:48:26.074 --> 00:48:27.376
honestly want people to go

00:48:27.416 --> 00:48:28.577
and actually purchase the

00:48:28.617 --> 00:48:30.257
book or and read the book

00:48:30.277 --> 00:48:31.338
because I thought it was

00:48:31.378 --> 00:48:33.960
fantastic and um but I just

00:48:33.981 --> 00:48:34.862
wanted to give people that

00:48:34.981 --> 00:48:38.385
idea that cyberpunk slash a

00:48:38.545 --> 00:48:40.226
borderlands type of feel

00:48:40.246 --> 00:48:41.487
that you get like right

00:48:41.507 --> 00:48:42.108
there that's like

00:48:42.288 --> 00:48:43.248
borderlands everything

00:48:43.289 --> 00:48:45.070
about that screams

00:48:45.170 --> 00:48:46.512
borderlands the video game

00:48:48.034 --> 00:48:48.994
It's funny you say that

00:48:49.034 --> 00:48:51.675
because I was trying to

00:48:51.695 --> 00:48:53.936
find a way to relay what I

00:48:53.976 --> 00:48:54.996
wanted at the beginning.

00:48:55.737 --> 00:48:56.737
And I listened to,

00:48:56.777 --> 00:48:57.438
I don't know what kind of

00:48:57.478 --> 00:48:58.219
music you're into,

00:48:58.259 --> 00:49:00.119
but I listened to a lot of metal,

00:49:00.420 --> 00:49:02.800
metalcore, dark electronic.

00:49:03.221 --> 00:49:04.041
And this is all the stuff

00:49:04.061 --> 00:49:04.762
that I was listening to.

00:49:04.782 --> 00:49:05.601
That's my gym music.

00:49:05.621 --> 00:49:07.322
That's my go-to gym music is

00:49:07.382 --> 00:49:08.083
that right there.

00:49:08.563 --> 00:49:09.403
Hell yeah, man.

00:49:09.503 --> 00:49:10.463
And I'll listen to Taylor

00:49:10.483 --> 00:49:11.324
Swift in the car.

00:49:11.744 --> 00:49:12.505
I have no shame.

00:49:12.605 --> 00:49:13.465
I will listen to Taylor

00:49:13.485 --> 00:49:14.786
Swift in the car on the drive home.

00:49:17.842 --> 00:49:19.362
Hey, whatever gets you through traffic,

00:49:19.402 --> 00:49:19.704
buddy.

00:49:21.045 --> 00:49:22.286
And I will sing it loud.

00:49:22.465 --> 00:49:23.485
I have no shame.

00:49:23.827 --> 00:49:25.768
With the windows down and the top off.

00:49:26.909 --> 00:49:28.550
Don't care.

00:49:28.630 --> 00:49:29.311
My voice is horrible.

00:49:29.391 --> 00:49:30.271
I'm from Alabama.

00:49:34.514 --> 00:49:35.054
Yeah, so.

00:49:37.476 --> 00:49:37.677
All right.

00:49:37.697 --> 00:49:38.297
I don't want to give too

00:49:38.318 --> 00:49:38.858
much of this away.

00:49:38.878 --> 00:49:39.719
We're going to stop sharing.

00:49:39.739 --> 00:49:41.539
All right.

00:49:41.599 --> 00:49:41.840
All right.

00:49:41.860 --> 00:49:42.240
It's all right.

00:49:42.260 --> 00:49:43.442
I mean, a little teaser is all right.

00:49:45.282 --> 00:49:45.443
You know.

00:49:45.463 --> 00:49:46.423
We'll do one more page.

00:49:47.362 --> 00:49:47.882
One more page.

00:49:47.983 --> 00:49:48.523
One more page.

00:49:49.965 --> 00:49:51.065
The helmet was dope.

00:49:51.465 --> 00:49:52.927
I love the concept of the helmet.

00:49:53.507 --> 00:49:53.869
Yeah.

00:49:54.228 --> 00:49:54.409
Yeah.

00:49:54.429 --> 00:49:55.530
That came out really,

00:49:55.590 --> 00:49:58.893
really cool in the comic book version.

00:49:58.932 --> 00:50:00.054
Yeah.

00:50:00.195 --> 00:50:01.615
And I love the pops of colors.

00:50:01.655 --> 00:50:02.597
The way he did pops of

00:50:02.637 --> 00:50:06.079
colors on the suit was amazing.

00:50:06.681 --> 00:50:06.880
Yep.

00:50:09.282 --> 00:50:09.483
All right.

00:50:09.503 --> 00:50:09.684
All right.

00:50:09.704 --> 00:50:10.143
We're going to stop.

00:50:10.164 --> 00:50:10.684
We're going to stop.

00:50:10.704 --> 00:50:11.626
I don't want to give too much away.

00:50:13.103 --> 00:50:14.583
Well, like I said,

00:50:14.764 --> 00:50:15.625
I was trying to figure out

00:50:15.664 --> 00:50:16.846
a way to describe what I

00:50:16.867 --> 00:50:17.766
wanted it to look like.

00:50:17.806 --> 00:50:18.688
And I basically said,

00:50:18.788 --> 00:50:20.969
I want the cyberpunk elements,

00:50:21.010 --> 00:50:23.231
but I want it to be almost

00:50:23.311 --> 00:50:24.773
geared toward like a more

00:50:26.126 --> 00:50:28.849
metal kind of future.

00:50:29.690 --> 00:50:31.130
That was what he came back with.

00:50:31.731 --> 00:50:32.652
I think you get to see it

00:50:32.731 --> 00:50:35.152
even more so in some of the

00:50:35.253 --> 00:50:36.213
upcoming comics.

00:50:37.155 --> 00:50:40.016
That is the music I

00:50:40.056 --> 00:50:41.518
literally listened to when

00:50:41.577 --> 00:50:42.217
I wrote the thing.

00:50:42.478 --> 00:50:45.800
I listened to Sleep Token

00:50:45.840 --> 00:50:47.661
and Parkway Drive and all

00:50:47.681 --> 00:50:50.844
these white noise in my ears.

00:50:51.324 --> 00:50:52.485
Then I'm just left with that

00:50:52.686 --> 00:50:54.146
feeling as I'm writing.

00:50:54.166 --> 00:50:55.367
I know you listened to the new album.

00:50:56.302 --> 00:50:56.603
Oh, I know.

00:50:56.704 --> 00:50:57.644
I listened to the new album.

00:50:57.684 --> 00:50:58.947
Oh, yeah.

00:50:59.027 --> 00:51:00.307
Yeah, I listened to it.

00:51:00.387 --> 00:51:01.829
I was listening to it at the gym today.

00:51:04.132 --> 00:51:05.135
Emergence is still my

00:51:05.175 --> 00:51:06.697
favorite song on that album.

00:51:07.356 --> 00:51:08.699
I was listening to it while I was...

00:51:09.737 --> 00:51:11.478
like thinking of stuff I

00:51:11.498 --> 00:51:12.980
want to ask and do all that.

00:51:13.000 --> 00:51:14.940
So I'm very simple.

00:51:14.981 --> 00:51:16.342
I'll write out my questions

00:51:16.922 --> 00:51:17.882
and I will drop it into

00:51:17.922 --> 00:51:19.244
ChatGPT and be like, hey,

00:51:19.284 --> 00:51:20.244
clean it up for me.

00:51:20.804 --> 00:51:22.865
And ChatGPT cleans it up, you know?

00:51:23.306 --> 00:51:23.766
Fair enough.

00:51:23.806 --> 00:51:24.246
And I'm like,

00:51:24.367 --> 00:51:25.788
less brain cells used that I

00:51:25.807 --> 00:51:27.789
can put forth towards something else.

00:51:29.929 --> 00:51:33.052
There's only so much time, right?

00:51:33.172 --> 00:51:33.771
Exactly.

00:51:34.213 --> 00:51:35.994
Exactly.

00:51:36.054 --> 00:51:37.735
So I know you have...

00:51:38.800 --> 00:51:40.021
Francisco in your art.

00:51:40.581 --> 00:51:41.621
Yep.

00:51:41.742 --> 00:51:43.983
And then you have another

00:51:44.003 --> 00:51:44.943
person doing the color.

00:51:44.963 --> 00:51:45.764
And what was his name?

00:51:46.565 --> 00:51:47.827
Chandran Panusamy.

00:51:47.847 --> 00:51:47.907
Oh,

00:51:49.186 --> 00:51:50.628
I'm not even going to attempt that one.

00:51:51.208 --> 00:51:53.411
My Alabama education will

00:51:53.451 --> 00:51:54.731
not allow me to butcher that.

00:51:54.791 --> 00:51:57.132
But shout out to him because the colors.

00:51:57.574 --> 00:51:57.934
Yeah.

00:51:58.693 --> 00:51:59.434
Amazing.

00:52:00.034 --> 00:52:00.655
Amazing.

00:52:01.817 --> 00:52:02.876
So how did you get in

00:52:02.916 --> 00:52:04.077
contact with these guys?

00:52:04.097 --> 00:52:04.237
Like,

00:52:04.277 --> 00:52:06.599
how did these two individuals become

00:52:06.940 --> 00:52:07.581
your guys?

00:52:08.492 --> 00:52:11.594
Funny enough, I kind of got lucky.

00:52:13.695 --> 00:52:16.277
I was talking to a friend

00:52:17.159 --> 00:52:18.860
who had a friend who had

00:52:18.880 --> 00:52:20.240
basically tried to create

00:52:20.280 --> 00:52:23.083
this comic website at one point.

00:52:24.302 --> 00:52:24.744
So I said, well,

00:52:24.764 --> 00:52:25.784
can you connect me with him?

00:52:26.565 --> 00:52:27.505
Because it was someone who I

00:52:27.525 --> 00:52:29.327
had met kind of in passing, you know,

00:52:29.347 --> 00:52:30.547
at a party once or twice

00:52:30.588 --> 00:52:31.987
back in the day when I was

00:52:32.009 --> 00:52:33.048
still living in Boston.

00:52:33.989 --> 00:52:35.110
And I connected with him.

00:52:35.610 --> 00:52:37.072
Boston, that's the accent.

00:52:37.092 --> 00:52:37.192
Yeah.

00:52:38.942 --> 00:52:39.262
What's that?

00:52:39.282 --> 00:52:42.003
That's the accent is the Boston.

00:52:42.043 --> 00:52:43.085
You're about another half a

00:52:43.125 --> 00:52:44.887
shot away from being in full Boston.

00:52:45.327 --> 00:52:46.088
Oh, yeah.

00:52:46.108 --> 00:52:49.070
It starts coming out after these.

00:52:49.090 --> 00:52:50.150
That's why I quit drinking

00:52:50.170 --> 00:52:51.452
because I would speak so Southern.

00:52:51.532 --> 00:52:52.413
Nobody could understand me

00:52:52.452 --> 00:52:53.793
except my folks back home.

00:52:55.956 --> 00:52:57.016
It's even worse when I'm

00:52:57.056 --> 00:52:58.458
around some of my friends

00:52:58.498 --> 00:52:59.398
from back that way.

00:52:59.798 --> 00:53:02.360
It's like I just fall right back into it.

00:53:03.322 --> 00:53:03.681
Yes.

00:53:04.123 --> 00:53:04.262
Yeah.

00:53:04.322 --> 00:53:05.563
I go home to visit my folks

00:53:05.583 --> 00:53:06.545
for a couple of weeks.

00:53:07.422 --> 00:53:09.083
I come back to work and they're like,

00:53:10.505 --> 00:53:11.344
slow it down.

00:53:12.045 --> 00:53:14.668
What the hell are you saying?

00:53:14.907 --> 00:53:16.509
Like, oh yeah,

00:53:16.568 --> 00:53:17.728
I just got back from Alabama.

00:53:17.748 --> 00:53:18.170
Hang on.

00:53:19.110 --> 00:53:20.231
He fits that for you.

00:53:21.811 --> 00:53:24.934
That's the hometown resurfacing.

00:53:25.293 --> 00:53:25.994
That's what it does.

00:53:26.945 --> 00:53:28.907
But but yeah, anyway,

00:53:28.927 --> 00:53:32.289
so I met up with this dude and I said,

00:53:32.309 --> 00:53:34.009
you know, I'm trying to get this done.

00:53:34.028 --> 00:53:35.429
Do you know any comic book artists?

00:53:35.449 --> 00:53:36.391
He said, yeah, I know this.

00:53:37.010 --> 00:53:37.630
I know a couple,

00:53:37.650 --> 00:53:38.771
but I know this one guy I

00:53:38.831 --> 00:53:39.452
used to work with.

00:53:39.472 --> 00:53:41.152
He's out of Argentina.

00:53:41.632 --> 00:53:42.592
He's fantastic.

00:53:43.193 --> 00:53:44.233
And he connected me with him.

00:53:44.494 --> 00:53:48.456
And that was that was Fran Francisco.

00:53:50.842 --> 00:53:52.043
And then Francisco was the

00:53:52.123 --> 00:53:53.264
one who actually introduced

00:53:53.304 --> 00:53:54.445
me to Chandran because I

00:53:54.485 --> 00:53:55.485
guess they had worked

00:53:55.525 --> 00:53:57.588
together in the past previously.

00:53:58.128 --> 00:53:59.570
Because he basically said, look, you know,

00:54:00.409 --> 00:54:02.052
I'm an illustrator at heart.

00:54:02.072 --> 00:54:03.273
Like, that's what I do best.

00:54:03.413 --> 00:54:04.514
I can do the coloring.

00:54:04.974 --> 00:54:06.936
But I know people who could

00:54:07.115 --> 00:54:09.597
really bring this to, like, the maximum.

00:54:10.079 --> 00:54:12.280
And that's everything that I put out.

00:54:12.981 --> 00:54:14.420
my goal is like I want this

00:54:14.460 --> 00:54:15.461
to be the best looking

00:54:15.501 --> 00:54:18.762
thing it can possibly be

00:54:18.782 --> 00:54:20.563
I'm not trying to skimp on

00:54:20.682 --> 00:54:21.342
I'm not trying to cut

00:54:21.362 --> 00:54:22.684
corners to try and make it

00:54:22.704 --> 00:54:23.804
more profitable I'm not

00:54:23.844 --> 00:54:25.804
trying to do any of that I

00:54:25.824 --> 00:54:26.644
want to make the best

00:54:26.664 --> 00:54:28.485
content possible so are you

00:54:28.505 --> 00:54:29.505
printing on cardstock

00:54:29.525 --> 00:54:30.806
covers and then like the

00:54:30.865 --> 00:54:32.365
normal like really nice

00:54:32.405 --> 00:54:33.706
pages are you doing like

00:54:33.726 --> 00:54:35.847
the actual paper style

00:54:36.322 --> 00:54:37.043
Oh, no, no, no.

00:54:37.143 --> 00:54:38.425
I'm printing it on the nice paper.

00:54:38.625 --> 00:54:39.965
I got to send you a physical copy,

00:54:39.985 --> 00:54:40.425
by the way.

00:54:40.445 --> 00:54:42.807
Yeah, I sent Eve my address.

00:54:42.827 --> 00:54:45.230
Yeah, I'll get you a physical copy.

00:54:48.512 --> 00:54:51.474
Once the new comic is out,

00:54:52.135 --> 00:54:54.597
I already have a virgin

00:54:54.757 --> 00:54:57.398
variant cover planned for the first one.

00:54:58.963 --> 00:54:59.903
You knew where I was going.

00:55:00.284 --> 00:55:01.485
I was walking you into it.

00:55:01.844 --> 00:55:02.204
Oh, dude,

00:55:02.264 --> 00:55:03.806
I'm going to have variant covers.

00:55:03.865 --> 00:55:06.367
I'm going to have CGC-graded comics.

00:55:06.387 --> 00:55:07.027
That's a new thing.

00:55:07.047 --> 00:55:08.329
I actually just opened up my

00:55:08.409 --> 00:55:09.789
artist account.

00:55:09.809 --> 00:55:10.510
Perfect.

00:55:11.469 --> 00:55:15.572
So I'm going to have lots of

00:55:15.632 --> 00:55:17.293
different things available

00:55:17.353 --> 00:55:19.514
for basically anyone who wants anything.

00:55:20.416 --> 00:55:23.456
Yeah, so when Eve contacted me,

00:55:23.496 --> 00:55:24.458
the interview that she

00:55:24.518 --> 00:55:25.858
watched was the one with,

00:55:25.958 --> 00:55:27.880
I think it was Bruno.

00:55:29.052 --> 00:55:29.552
I think.

00:55:30.313 --> 00:55:31.775
And Bruno has worked with

00:55:31.815 --> 00:55:35.016
the same couple of guys on all his books.

00:55:35.097 --> 00:55:37.639
And they're very good with

00:55:37.699 --> 00:55:39.199
colors like your guy is.

00:55:39.780 --> 00:55:41.481
Because some of his books

00:55:41.621 --> 00:55:43.684
were about in outer space as well.

00:55:43.744 --> 00:55:46.264
And the way he built the

00:55:46.365 --> 00:55:47.726
artists and the colors and

00:55:47.746 --> 00:55:49.106
stuff did these worlds.

00:55:50.487 --> 00:55:51.849
You gotta know how to do the colors.

00:55:51.909 --> 00:55:54.751
And your guy, dude.

00:55:54.791 --> 00:55:56.072
He's the man.

00:55:56.112 --> 00:55:57.773
He can blend the colors perfectly and

00:55:59.382 --> 00:55:59.842
Like I said,

00:55:59.862 --> 00:56:00.963
that's one of those make it or

00:56:01.003 --> 00:56:01.985
break it types of things

00:56:02.005 --> 00:56:02.664
with the lettering.

00:56:03.125 --> 00:56:04.545
When everything goes well together,

00:56:04.626 --> 00:56:06.206
it produces a good book.

00:56:07.108 --> 00:56:10.230
And your first book, top notch,

00:56:10.809 --> 00:56:11.670
up there with some of the

00:56:11.731 --> 00:56:13.192
bigger stuff that I read on

00:56:13.231 --> 00:56:13.931
a daily basis.

00:56:13.992 --> 00:56:15.393
Even though I'm an indie guy at heart,

00:56:15.972 --> 00:56:19.054
a hundred percent indie guy,

00:56:19.295 --> 00:56:20.335
there's some guys out there

00:56:20.456 --> 00:56:22.536
that do work for Marvel and DC that,

00:56:23.557 --> 00:56:25.438
you know, Jim Lee, for instance,

00:56:25.478 --> 00:56:28.360
like to me, Jim Lee's, you know,

00:56:29.708 --> 00:56:33.070
little jesus of dc yeah so

00:56:33.990 --> 00:56:36.052
I've I've I listened to a

00:56:36.092 --> 00:56:37.333
few of your podcasts before

00:56:37.393 --> 00:56:38.454
this one I heard that name

00:56:38.474 --> 00:56:39.396
thrown around a couple of

00:56:39.436 --> 00:56:42.177
times yeah huge fan of of

00:56:42.217 --> 00:56:45.880
him um I've been thinking

00:56:45.900 --> 00:56:47.021
about putting my comic book

00:56:47.061 --> 00:56:49.182
recommendations on um

00:56:49.402 --> 00:56:50.804
spotify and everywhere else

00:56:50.844 --> 00:56:52.865
as well just that'd be cool

00:56:52.885 --> 00:56:53.545
just to see how well

00:56:53.565 --> 00:56:54.606
they'll do I don't really

00:56:54.626 --> 00:56:55.788
know I normally keep it to

00:56:55.827 --> 00:56:57.369
youtube and then I chop it

00:56:57.449 --> 00:56:58.931
up and I share it everywhere else

00:56:59.844 --> 00:57:00.844
But it's one of those where I'm like,

00:57:00.864 --> 00:57:01.164
you know what?

00:57:01.425 --> 00:57:02.425
I may start doing that just

00:57:02.445 --> 00:57:03.485
to see how well they'll do

00:57:03.626 --> 00:57:05.666
on the streaming side of things.

00:57:08.827 --> 00:57:09.809
So I don't know how familiar

00:57:09.849 --> 00:57:11.590
you are with other artists

00:57:11.789 --> 00:57:13.269
and that kind of stuff.

00:57:13.349 --> 00:57:14.170
If there was an artist that

00:57:14.190 --> 00:57:15.431
you would want to work with,

00:57:16.231 --> 00:57:17.831
like if somebody just said, hey,

00:57:17.952 --> 00:57:19.793
pick your artist and you can have them,

00:57:19.873 --> 00:57:22.574
who would you go with?

00:57:22.635 --> 00:57:24.094
I know you don't want to cheat on your guy,

00:57:24.114 --> 00:57:26.996
Francisco, because he is amazing, but...

00:57:27.753 --> 00:57:30.197
I don't, and he's my dude for sure.

00:57:32.219 --> 00:57:32.760
I don't know.

00:57:33.960 --> 00:57:36.623
Like I said, I'm a little newer.

00:57:36.923 --> 00:57:37.925
I think I mentioned this earlier.

00:57:37.945 --> 00:57:40.027
I'm a little newer to the book game,

00:57:40.068 --> 00:57:41.869
and I'm trying now to start

00:57:44.231 --> 00:57:45.253
really getting into it.

00:57:47.204 --> 00:57:49.568
So I'm not as familiar with

00:57:49.628 --> 00:57:51.150
all of the names as some of

00:57:51.170 --> 00:57:51.931
the guys who have been

00:57:52.972 --> 00:57:54.773
reading comics for a while.

00:57:55.775 --> 00:57:56.295
But right now,

00:57:56.335 --> 00:57:59.139
it's all about discovery for me.

00:57:59.199 --> 00:58:00.199
Going out there and seeing

00:58:00.219 --> 00:58:02.222
what's out there and seeing who is who.

00:58:02.322 --> 00:58:03.023
If I may.

00:58:03.043 --> 00:58:03.304
Oh, yeah.

00:58:03.324 --> 00:58:03.643
If I may.

00:58:06.701 --> 00:58:08.641
ghost machine which is a

00:58:08.822 --> 00:58:11.161
substitute of so you have

00:58:11.262 --> 00:58:12.161
image who does a lot of

00:58:12.242 --> 00:58:13.663
indie publishing under

00:58:13.702 --> 00:58:15.063
their umbrella then you

00:58:15.083 --> 00:58:16.402
have jeff johns who does

00:58:16.503 --> 00:58:17.563
ghost machine they have

00:58:17.643 --> 00:58:22.625
geiger um junkyard joe the

00:58:22.704 --> 00:58:23.844
rocket fellers they have a

00:58:23.885 --> 00:58:25.264
whole list of titles all

00:58:25.304 --> 00:58:26.965
done by the same team of guys

00:58:27.981 --> 00:58:30.322
And they're phenomenal,

00:58:30.382 --> 00:58:32.304
phenomenal work anything by

00:58:32.364 --> 00:58:34.043
James teeny and as well in

00:58:34.083 --> 00:58:35.445
his tiny onion company.

00:58:36.105 --> 00:58:37.445
They do House of Slaughter,

00:58:37.846 --> 00:58:39.346
something is killing the children.

00:58:40.967 --> 00:58:42.186
exquisite corpses that just

00:58:42.226 --> 00:58:43.447
come out yesterday.

00:58:43.728 --> 00:58:46.688
Just so many titles like I

00:58:46.728 --> 00:58:49.449
sit here and name but I

00:58:49.489 --> 00:58:50.911
know if I'm at the shop,

00:58:51.251 --> 00:58:52.610
and it has their name on it.

00:58:53.911 --> 00:58:54.652
You're getting

00:58:55.664 --> 00:58:58.106
notch quality with the writing, the colors,

00:58:58.646 --> 00:59:00.389
the lettering, you name it.

00:59:00.449 --> 00:59:01.751
Those are my guys.

00:59:02.190 --> 00:59:02.972
Right, right, right.

00:59:03.632 --> 00:59:04.934
Well, that's it, man.

00:59:04.954 --> 00:59:06.235
I wish I had my notebook with me.

00:59:06.275 --> 00:59:07.697
I'd be writing names down right now.

00:59:08.777 --> 00:59:10.139
I can send you whatever you want.

00:59:10.278 --> 00:59:11.360
Any recommendation you want,

00:59:11.400 --> 00:59:12.081
I'll shoot them to you.

00:59:13.001 --> 00:59:13.523
We'll talk.

00:59:13.563 --> 00:59:14.063
We'll talk.

00:59:14.664 --> 00:59:15.405
Definitely, definitely.

00:59:16.148 --> 00:59:16.588
But, yeah,

00:59:16.989 --> 00:59:18.951
so my short answer to your

00:59:18.971 --> 00:59:21.514
question is I don't know yet.

00:59:21.634 --> 00:59:22.914
I need to do some research,

00:59:22.974 --> 00:59:24.896
and I need to just explore

00:59:24.916 --> 00:59:25.637
a little bit more.

00:59:25.936 --> 00:59:27.239
And I'm going to continue that.

00:59:27.278 --> 00:59:28.199
I mean, I'm going to, like,

00:59:28.400 --> 00:59:30.021
twenty Comic-Cons this year.

00:59:30.041 --> 00:59:30.221
Holy shit.

00:59:30.240 --> 00:59:30.300
Oof.

00:59:30.320 --> 00:59:34.364
Yeah, I'm not fucking kidding, man.

00:59:34.824 --> 00:59:36.286
I'm trying to make waves, man.

00:59:37.626 --> 00:59:38.407
That's a schedule.

00:59:38.989 --> 00:59:40.309
That is a schedule, for sure.

00:59:40.349 --> 00:59:42.050
And I literally just...

00:59:43.260 --> 00:59:46.201
maybe February opened up my

00:59:46.280 --> 00:59:48.221
own medical device distributorship.

00:59:48.260 --> 00:59:50.021
So I'm running two businesses now.

00:59:52.402 --> 00:59:54.143
So it's been busy.

00:59:54.163 --> 00:59:56.443
It's been busy,

00:59:56.483 --> 00:59:57.443
but I'm still- I was gonna

00:59:57.543 --> 00:59:58.623
ask if you had like a

00:59:58.664 --> 01:00:00.065
regular nine to five, man.

01:00:00.664 --> 01:00:04.166
Yeah, so I was in medical devices for like,

01:00:04.226 --> 01:00:04.925
eleven years.

01:00:05.726 --> 01:00:09.047
And I was traveling all over the country.

01:00:09.128 --> 01:00:10.688
My specialty,

01:00:11.456 --> 01:00:13.498
was the traumatic burn injury,

01:00:13.617 --> 01:00:14.938
which is kind of a subsect

01:00:14.998 --> 01:00:15.798
of wound healing,

01:00:16.159 --> 01:00:17.679
like advanced wound healing.

01:00:18.219 --> 01:00:20.460
And it's a very small community,

01:00:20.501 --> 01:00:22.702
but all of these burn centers,

01:00:23.362 --> 01:00:24.483
they're not just like right

01:00:24.523 --> 01:00:25.302
next to each other.

01:00:25.362 --> 01:00:26.623
I mean, usually,

01:00:28.472 --> 01:00:29.813
uh they could be pulling

01:00:29.853 --> 01:00:31.153
from like a tri-state area

01:00:31.213 --> 01:00:32.335
so I'd have to fly out to

01:00:32.355 --> 01:00:34.775
like augusta georgia or uh

01:00:34.795 --> 01:00:36.597
columbus beautiful area or

01:00:36.817 --> 01:00:38.097
to you know like all over

01:00:38.137 --> 01:00:38.918
the place so I was

01:00:39.378 --> 01:00:40.458
traveling the country

01:00:40.518 --> 01:00:41.778
that's why I was on a plane

01:00:41.818 --> 01:00:44.000
so much and so I just I had

01:00:44.119 --> 01:00:45.800
met people all over the

01:00:45.820 --> 01:00:49.083
place and it just got to a point where um

01:00:49.864 --> 01:00:51.485
I was getting kind of sick of, you know,

01:00:51.525 --> 01:00:53.206
working the corporate nine to five.

01:00:53.706 --> 01:00:55.206
I wasn't I didn't have as

01:00:55.266 --> 01:00:56.327
much freedom and as much

01:00:56.367 --> 01:00:58.568
time to be able to fill it

01:00:58.588 --> 01:00:59.568
right here on this.

01:01:01.039 --> 01:01:01.920
I definitely feel that.

01:01:02.521 --> 01:01:03.420
Yeah, I hear you.

01:01:03.460 --> 01:01:05.001
So I just said, you know what?

01:01:05.161 --> 01:01:06.101
I have the contacts.

01:01:06.782 --> 01:01:07.762
I know what I'm doing now.

01:01:07.822 --> 01:01:08.961
I know what the process is.

01:01:08.981 --> 01:01:09.902
I know the protocols.

01:01:10.603 --> 01:01:11.882
I can do this on my own and

01:01:12.724 --> 01:01:14.063
maybe even make more money.

01:01:15.824 --> 01:01:16.164
We'll see.

01:01:16.184 --> 01:01:16.985
We're still building the

01:01:17.025 --> 01:01:17.844
business right now,

01:01:17.885 --> 01:01:18.864
so we haven't gotten quite

01:01:18.885 --> 01:01:22.806
to that point yet, but it's going well.

01:01:22.826 --> 01:01:23.567
Good, good.

01:01:23.947 --> 01:01:24.306
It's always...

01:01:25.429 --> 01:01:27.391
anytime you can take that

01:01:27.431 --> 01:01:28.711
step back and focus on

01:01:28.751 --> 01:01:29.592
something that you really

01:01:29.612 --> 01:01:31.414
want to focus on that, you know,

01:01:31.454 --> 01:01:32.375
is still going to provide

01:01:32.414 --> 01:01:34.016
for what you're really

01:01:34.056 --> 01:01:34.896
wanting to focus on.

01:01:34.936 --> 01:01:36.038
That's always a good thing.

01:01:36.838 --> 01:01:37.579
A hundred percent.

01:01:37.639 --> 01:01:39.940
This is, this is my, I'm,

01:01:40.139 --> 01:01:42.302
this is me trying to write

01:01:42.342 --> 01:01:43.623
my way out of my day job.

01:01:43.643 --> 01:01:46.125
Eventually.

01:01:46.204 --> 01:01:46.724
I feel it.

01:01:47.005 --> 01:01:47.666
Absolutely.

01:01:47.925 --> 01:01:50.307
Absolutely.

01:01:50.407 --> 01:01:50.947
Yeah.

01:01:50.967 --> 01:01:52.548
So one day, one day I'll get there,

01:01:52.869 --> 01:01:53.190
but I'm,

01:01:55.760 --> 01:01:57.981
I'm just running around like a maniac.

01:01:58.762 --> 01:02:00.003
That's the way to do it, though.

01:02:00.023 --> 01:02:01.766
Yeah.

01:02:01.846 --> 01:02:02.485
Yeah, it's been good.

01:02:02.505 --> 01:02:04.367
It's been a good run so far.

01:02:04.387 --> 01:02:05.628
So, when it came to, like,

01:02:05.989 --> 01:02:10.733
the character designs for the comic book,

01:02:10.753 --> 01:02:11.514
did you, like,

01:02:11.554 --> 01:02:16.458
how involved were you with that?

01:02:16.800 --> 01:02:18.641
Like, Roman has to look a certain way.

01:02:18.701 --> 01:02:19.621
These characters have to

01:02:19.641 --> 01:02:20.422
look a certain way.

01:02:20.483 --> 01:02:21.123
Or did you go...

01:02:22.244 --> 01:02:24.065
Francisco, this is what I think,

01:02:24.545 --> 01:02:25.666
and then he just run with it.

01:02:27.748 --> 01:02:34.074
So I already had basically

01:02:34.195 --> 01:02:35.615
all of the characters fully

01:02:35.657 --> 01:02:37.018
rendered in three-D.

01:02:37.038 --> 01:02:37.177
Okay.

01:02:39.028 --> 01:02:41.009
I have a phenomenal graphic designer.

01:02:41.889 --> 01:02:43.170
His name's Ahmed Gittar.

01:02:44.489 --> 01:02:45.530
He's actually in Egypt.

01:02:47.431 --> 01:02:48.891
And he... We were just

01:02:48.931 --> 01:02:49.771
talking about Egypt.

01:02:50.391 --> 01:02:50.690
I know.

01:02:51.070 --> 01:02:51.351
I know.

01:02:51.990 --> 01:02:53.632
I want to go visit Egypt at some point,

01:02:53.652 --> 01:02:53.751
man.

01:02:53.791 --> 01:02:54.891
I got to see those pyramids.

01:02:55.211 --> 01:02:56.371
Pyramids are on my list.

01:02:56.731 --> 01:02:57.472
Coming out lately?

01:02:58.092 --> 01:02:58.211
Yeah,

01:02:58.231 --> 01:02:59.813
the pyramids are definitely on my list.

01:03:00.213 --> 01:03:00.512
Yeah.

01:03:00.893 --> 01:03:01.112
Yeah,

01:03:01.132 --> 01:03:03.992
I want to get down into those caverns

01:03:04.032 --> 01:03:04.434
beneath.

01:03:04.594 --> 01:03:05.313
I want to see what's going

01:03:05.353 --> 01:03:06.114
on with those pillars.

01:03:06.534 --> 01:03:06.914
Yeah.

01:03:07.867 --> 01:03:08.807
I read the same article.

01:03:09.489 --> 01:03:11.411
I know there's tons of articles.

01:03:11.452 --> 01:03:12.474
It's been all over the news.

01:03:13.126 --> 01:03:15.987
But yeah, so I had basically,

01:03:16.027 --> 01:03:17.007
I'd been working with this

01:03:17.047 --> 01:03:18.947
guy to get my book covers made.

01:03:19.626 --> 01:03:21.387
And so I already really had

01:03:21.447 --> 01:03:23.608
a feel for what I wanted

01:03:23.648 --> 01:03:24.487
Roman to look like.

01:03:24.507 --> 01:03:26.128
And I already had worked

01:03:26.248 --> 01:03:28.608
extensively with Ahmed to

01:03:28.648 --> 01:03:30.128
basically get it fully

01:03:30.188 --> 01:03:32.730
completed for all the characters.

01:03:32.769 --> 01:03:34.989
And I did that for a very specific reason.

01:03:35.090 --> 01:03:36.951
I mean, I'm a huge gamer.

01:03:38.630 --> 01:03:39.911
I love- Assassin's Creed?

01:03:39.931 --> 01:03:41.431
Hell yeah.

01:03:42.251 --> 01:03:42.771
Hell yeah.

01:03:43.516 --> 01:03:44.556
your book cover, your,

01:03:44.635 --> 01:03:45.496
I think it was your audio

01:03:45.536 --> 01:03:46.896
book cover that was sent over.

01:03:47.277 --> 01:03:48.538
Yeah.

01:03:48.557 --> 01:03:49.478
That's what I thought.

01:03:49.757 --> 01:03:51.358
Like the moment I seen it, like,

01:03:51.378 --> 01:03:52.780
cause his back is to us and

01:03:52.800 --> 01:03:54.960
it kind of looks like the snow almost.

01:03:54.981 --> 01:03:56.760
I mean, I know it's not snow,

01:03:56.840 --> 01:04:00.422
but I was like, it's funny.

01:04:00.443 --> 01:04:02.623
You draw that, uh, comparison.

01:04:02.724 --> 01:04:03.063
Cause that's,

01:04:03.184 --> 01:04:04.804
it's really not what I was thinking of,

01:04:04.943 --> 01:04:06.405
but, but yeah,

01:04:06.525 --> 01:04:08.365
it kind of does a little bit.

01:04:10.085 --> 01:04:11.007
Um, but yeah, uh,

01:04:12.514 --> 01:04:13.554
I basically said, hey,

01:04:13.655 --> 01:04:14.476
I want all of these

01:04:14.516 --> 01:04:16.157
characters fully rendered

01:04:16.856 --> 01:04:18.338
in three day full three

01:04:18.398 --> 01:04:19.418
sixty degree views,

01:04:19.458 --> 01:04:21.099
because eventually this is

01:04:21.139 --> 01:04:22.121
something I'd like to turn

01:04:22.161 --> 01:04:23.081
into a video game.

01:04:25.603 --> 01:04:26.963
So that would be dope, actually.

01:04:27.023 --> 01:04:28.425
Yeah.

01:04:28.545 --> 01:04:29.465
Yeah.

01:04:29.565 --> 01:04:30.867
Give me a few years on that,

01:04:30.887 --> 01:04:31.887
but I promise you,

01:04:32.367 --> 01:04:33.668
if I have anything to do with it,

01:04:33.688 --> 01:04:34.849
it's going to come to fruition.

01:04:37.070 --> 01:04:37.572
But yeah,

01:04:37.612 --> 01:04:40.454
so when I pull up the audio book cover.

01:04:41.367 --> 01:04:42.128
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:04:42.929 --> 01:04:43.748
Let me see if I can get it

01:04:43.789 --> 01:04:48.692
to come up the first try.

01:04:48.711 --> 01:04:49.893
And the audiobook cover is

01:04:49.932 --> 01:04:51.634
the same as the regular book cover.

01:04:52.014 --> 01:04:52.994
Okay.

01:04:53.014 --> 01:04:54.355
There's also the limited

01:04:54.414 --> 01:04:55.476
edition book cover,

01:04:57.617 --> 01:05:00.157
which I might... There we go.

01:05:00.177 --> 01:05:00.338
Oh, yeah.

01:05:00.358 --> 01:05:02.059
That gave me Assassin's Creed vibes,

01:05:02.298 --> 01:05:04.159
like hard Assassin's Creed vibes.

01:05:04.561 --> 01:05:06.862
Yeah.

01:05:06.942 --> 01:05:07.081
Yep.

01:05:07.938 --> 01:05:09.679
And you'll actually

01:05:09.719 --> 01:05:12.199
recognize that scene later

01:05:12.320 --> 01:05:13.239
on once you get to a

01:05:13.300 --> 01:05:14.280
certain point in the book.

01:05:14.701 --> 01:05:15.161
Okay, bet.

01:05:15.360 --> 01:05:16.521
Yeah, I'm actually,

01:05:17.461 --> 01:05:18.842
as we talk about it more, I'm like,

01:05:20.143 --> 01:05:21.224
I know what I'm doing the

01:05:21.244 --> 01:05:22.324
rest of the weekend besides

01:05:22.344 --> 01:05:23.304
catching up on Star Wars.

01:05:23.664 --> 01:05:24.704
In between, I'm reading.

01:05:25.525 --> 01:05:28.007
Yeah.

01:05:28.027 --> 01:05:29.507
Well, I'm glad you're enjoying it, man.

01:05:31.635 --> 01:05:34.197
But, yeah, so, like I said,

01:05:34.217 --> 01:05:35.356
I already had a basis for

01:05:35.396 --> 01:05:36.077
what I wanted all the

01:05:36.117 --> 01:05:37.257
characters to look like.

01:05:37.436 --> 01:05:39.518
And I basically just sent those to Fran.

01:05:39.557 --> 01:05:39.978
And I said,

01:05:40.018 --> 01:05:41.777
this is kind of the vibe I'm going for.

01:05:42.197 --> 01:05:43.838
We made some tweaks, you know,

01:05:43.878 --> 01:05:45.199
just conversations between us.

01:05:45.239 --> 01:05:45.378
Like,

01:05:45.438 --> 01:05:47.079
I want his armor to look a little

01:05:47.119 --> 01:05:47.778
different here.

01:05:47.798 --> 01:05:50.719
You know, little small things.

01:05:51.599 --> 01:05:52.739
So, is he wearing armor?

01:05:52.800 --> 01:05:54.981
Is that like a full exosuit?

01:05:55.001 --> 01:05:56.161
Or has he actually got

01:05:56.201 --> 01:05:57.400
biomechanical as well?

01:05:57.780 --> 01:05:58.061
No.

01:05:58.161 --> 01:05:58.280
So,

01:05:58.300 --> 01:06:00.061
he doesn't have any biomech because

01:06:00.101 --> 01:06:00.641
he's basically...

01:06:01.572 --> 01:06:02.594
You can't afford it.

01:06:02.773 --> 01:06:04.534
And on planet Deorum,

01:06:06.476 --> 01:06:07.356
normal citizens are

01:06:07.396 --> 01:06:08.518
restricted to basically

01:06:08.657 --> 01:06:13.181
only medically necessary bionic implants.

01:06:13.240 --> 01:06:14.280
It's like, once again,

01:06:14.300 --> 01:06:15.461
authoritarian government,

01:06:15.501 --> 01:06:16.583
lots of restrictions,

01:06:16.643 --> 01:06:18.043
lots of regulations.

01:06:18.804 --> 01:06:20.085
And unless you're kind of

01:06:20.144 --> 01:06:22.467
some high-flying business

01:06:22.507 --> 01:06:23.807
mogul or a politician or

01:06:23.827 --> 01:06:24.447
something like that,

01:06:24.467 --> 01:06:25.648
you're not getting access

01:06:25.688 --> 01:06:27.230
to the higher end.

01:06:27.670 --> 01:06:28.811
Or you're...

01:06:29.335 --> 01:06:30.916
you know, in the underworld,

01:06:30.976 --> 01:06:32.976
basically paying for it

01:06:33.036 --> 01:06:34.898
under the table and getting it illegally.

01:06:35.498 --> 01:06:36.820
Gotcha.

01:06:36.840 --> 01:06:38.240
So that's kind of the,

01:06:38.260 --> 01:06:41.121
that seems to be kind of the, the,

01:06:41.161 --> 01:06:42.862
the result of these like

01:06:43.704 --> 01:06:49.507
big authoritarian, um, um,

01:06:49.568 --> 01:06:51.148
like massive regulation

01:06:51.268 --> 01:06:53.070
type government is,

01:06:53.190 --> 01:06:54.670
it always creates a space

01:06:54.710 --> 01:06:56.012
for like an underworld.

01:06:56.052 --> 01:06:58.213
Just like, I mean, anytime you have, um,

01:06:59.561 --> 01:07:00.860
prohibition of anything.

01:07:00.900 --> 01:07:01.061
I mean,

01:07:01.101 --> 01:07:02.981
look at prohibition with alcohol here,

01:07:03.021 --> 01:07:04.762
created a whole underworld

01:07:04.802 --> 01:07:08.342
of crime around alcohol as

01:07:08.702 --> 01:07:09.664
an illegal business.

01:07:11.123 --> 01:07:12.284
And so that's kind of the

01:07:12.324 --> 01:07:13.103
world that you're in.

01:07:13.143 --> 01:07:15.465
That's, that's, and that's not a,

01:07:16.385 --> 01:07:17.686
that's not a new theme either.

01:07:17.726 --> 01:07:19.706
That's what, I mean, William Gibson,

01:07:19.905 --> 01:07:22.606
who is like the father of cyberpunk, he's,

01:07:22.746 --> 01:07:22.927
he,

01:07:24.344 --> 01:07:25.746
I'm actually rereading his book,

01:07:25.806 --> 01:07:27.108
Neuromancer, right now,

01:07:27.588 --> 01:07:29.650
which is basically the book

01:07:29.690 --> 01:07:31.570
that the cyberpunk game was

01:07:31.670 --> 01:07:32.831
based on loosely.

01:07:33.452 --> 01:07:34.733
Because like I said,

01:07:34.753 --> 01:07:36.135
he's the one who created

01:07:36.215 --> 01:07:38.637
that cyberpunk kind of feel.

01:07:40.137 --> 01:07:40.878
And he was an author.

01:07:41.398 --> 01:07:42.619
He wrote a book series.

01:07:42.659 --> 01:07:44.021
So I'm rereading those books

01:07:44.121 --> 01:07:46.222
right now just on audiobook

01:07:46.242 --> 01:07:47.284
whenever I have a little time.

01:07:47.304 --> 01:07:50.746
But it's a gritty, dark future.

01:07:52.164 --> 01:07:53.326
And it's not pretty.

01:07:53.585 --> 01:07:55.347
You know, you have all this technology,

01:07:55.387 --> 01:07:57.128
but it's not evenly dispersed.

01:07:57.989 --> 01:08:01.172
And it creates like these

01:08:01.193 --> 01:08:02.574
kind of pockets of crime.

01:08:04.554 --> 01:08:05.396
And it's not pretty.

01:08:05.655 --> 01:08:07.117
You know, the neon lights,

01:08:07.157 --> 01:08:08.038
that whole look is

01:08:08.077 --> 01:08:14.143
basically to kind of mask the, I guess,

01:08:14.182 --> 01:08:17.225
the filth of the surroundings, really.

01:08:17.586 --> 01:08:20.609
That's kind of what the cyberpunk vibe is.

01:08:22.854 --> 01:08:24.715
And yeah,

01:08:24.795 --> 01:08:26.515
it's one that I was always

01:08:26.595 --> 01:08:27.536
fascinated with.

01:08:28.216 --> 01:08:31.238
So I wanted to affect that a

01:08:31.257 --> 01:08:32.639
little bit in my writing as well.

01:08:33.279 --> 01:08:35.520
But I also plan to explore a

01:08:35.581 --> 01:08:38.782
lot of different types of idol makeups,

01:08:38.841 --> 01:08:39.882
especially as we start to

01:08:39.922 --> 01:08:42.823
go to other planets in future books.

01:08:42.844 --> 01:08:44.385
Because once again,

01:08:44.784 --> 01:08:46.246
there are six other planets

01:08:46.265 --> 01:08:47.426
that have yet to be explored.

01:08:49.309 --> 01:08:50.389
in the book series.

01:08:50.809 --> 01:08:53.550
So we're gonna take trips to

01:08:54.470 --> 01:08:56.150
each of those planets at some point,

01:08:56.791 --> 01:08:57.831
and we're gonna get to see

01:08:57.911 --> 01:09:00.532
what their society looks

01:09:00.572 --> 01:09:01.652
like on that planet.

01:09:01.971 --> 01:09:03.091
You know, like there's one planet,

01:09:03.131 --> 01:09:04.132
it's gonna be basically

01:09:04.153 --> 01:09:05.832
like a complete corporatocracy,

01:09:07.453 --> 01:09:09.434
because it's called Planet Ventura,

01:09:10.274 --> 01:09:11.914
and Planet Ventura is

01:09:12.354 --> 01:09:14.055
basically completely owned

01:09:14.375 --> 01:09:16.756
and operated by two corporations.

01:09:19.336 --> 01:09:21.176
The Cyrenos, no,

01:09:21.237 --> 01:09:24.019
the Cyreax Corporation and

01:09:24.538 --> 01:09:25.840
Grazix Industries.

01:09:26.740 --> 01:09:28.742
And they are going to be

01:09:28.782 --> 01:09:31.682
like kind of the main power

01:09:31.724 --> 01:09:33.184
players on that planet.

01:09:33.203 --> 01:09:33.885
And we're going to get to

01:09:33.925 --> 01:09:35.326
explore that planet a little bit.

01:09:36.086 --> 01:09:37.046
That's actually going to be

01:09:37.067 --> 01:09:37.867
a fun one to write.

01:09:38.146 --> 01:09:40.007
I've already been kind of messing around.

01:09:40.028 --> 01:09:41.069
I've already sold on it.

01:09:41.809 --> 01:09:42.909
I've been messing around

01:09:42.949 --> 01:09:43.831
with a little bit of a

01:09:43.871 --> 01:09:45.952
chapter breakdown on that one already.

01:09:46.743 --> 01:09:48.886
And I have one of the

01:09:48.926 --> 01:09:50.527
characters modeled after

01:09:50.587 --> 01:09:52.387
one of my good friends, John Alvarez.

01:09:53.047 --> 01:09:55.869
And he's going to be a wild

01:09:55.909 --> 01:09:59.011
trip of a character.

01:09:59.153 --> 01:10:00.694
That's a great thing about

01:10:00.734 --> 01:10:03.475
having your own world

01:10:03.496 --> 01:10:05.497
within this book is you can just be like,

01:10:05.516 --> 01:10:08.198
hey, my friend John over here,

01:10:08.878 --> 01:10:10.579
he'd be perfect for this one character.

01:10:10.699 --> 01:10:13.181
And that's kind of like the

01:10:13.762 --> 01:10:15.484
character you put in is like,

01:10:16.208 --> 01:10:19.912
like you pull pieces from him and go, yep,

01:10:19.953 --> 01:10:21.734
that's perfect.

01:10:21.814 --> 01:10:22.295
You know, it's funny.

01:10:22.314 --> 01:10:23.516
I, I, I basically,

01:10:23.917 --> 01:10:25.037
I jumped into this knowing

01:10:25.158 --> 01:10:27.440
nothing about the writing world,

01:10:27.480 --> 01:10:28.601
the comic book world.

01:10:28.641 --> 01:10:30.104
Like I just, I,

01:10:30.144 --> 01:10:32.006
this was a completely like

01:10:32.806 --> 01:10:33.546
one hundred and eighty

01:10:33.567 --> 01:10:35.248
degree turn from what I was

01:10:35.569 --> 01:10:37.612
doing on a daily basis.

01:10:38.332 --> 01:10:38.872
And, uh,

01:10:39.521 --> 01:10:41.502
The thing I'd always heard was, you know,

01:10:41.542 --> 01:10:42.283
write what you know.

01:10:42.622 --> 01:10:42.943
Right.

01:10:43.463 --> 01:10:45.984
And I was like, well, I know these people.

01:10:46.145 --> 01:10:47.564
And so I started this

01:10:47.685 --> 01:10:49.126
practice of kind of basing

01:10:49.246 --> 01:10:50.345
a lot of the characters in

01:10:50.386 --> 01:10:51.527
the book on people that I

01:10:51.567 --> 01:10:53.547
knew because it allowed me

01:10:53.587 --> 01:10:54.568
to kind of breathe life

01:10:54.608 --> 01:10:55.528
into that character.

01:10:56.109 --> 01:10:57.208
And it allowed me to write

01:10:57.248 --> 01:10:58.088
from that character's

01:10:58.128 --> 01:10:58.930
perspective more

01:10:58.949 --> 01:11:00.590
effectively because I was like, oh,

01:11:00.710 --> 01:11:02.150
that's based on this person.

01:11:02.190 --> 01:11:02.970
I know what they would do in

01:11:03.011 --> 01:11:03.752
that scenario.

01:11:04.471 --> 01:11:04.612
Yeah.

01:11:05.873 --> 01:11:07.234
Let's see where that takes us.

01:11:07.395 --> 01:11:08.954
And I try and keep the

01:11:09.234 --> 01:11:13.817
writing fluid because it

01:11:13.856 --> 01:11:15.158
allows me to keep the

01:11:15.257 --> 01:11:16.597
character interactions and

01:11:16.637 --> 01:11:17.759
basically the storyline

01:11:18.019 --> 01:11:19.019
feeling more real.

01:11:19.059 --> 01:11:20.100
Nothing feels forced.

01:11:20.119 --> 01:11:22.640
At least my goal is to have

01:11:22.701 --> 01:11:23.600
nothing feel forced.

01:11:23.640 --> 01:11:26.481
From what I've read, like I said,

01:11:26.561 --> 01:11:28.203
I just started digging into the book.

01:11:29.470 --> 01:11:30.690
I love the flow of it.

01:11:30.791 --> 01:11:31.190
Like I said,

01:11:31.211 --> 01:11:33.372
the way you started with

01:11:33.493 --> 01:11:35.434
introducing the different

01:11:35.474 --> 01:11:37.216
factions and then you start

01:11:37.235 --> 01:11:39.337
into Roman's backstory,

01:11:40.497 --> 01:11:45.421
it all just kind of like... Dude,

01:11:45.801 --> 01:11:48.082
it's everything you want.

01:11:48.802 --> 01:11:49.163
So far,

01:11:49.184 --> 01:11:50.324
there's not been a single point

01:11:50.364 --> 01:11:51.945
where it's like, you're here.

01:11:52.546 --> 01:11:53.546
Oh, wait, we're over here.

01:11:54.908 --> 01:11:55.247
You know?

01:11:55.268 --> 01:11:56.748
You're like, wait,

01:11:56.788 --> 01:11:57.829
how did I get over there?

01:11:58.877 --> 01:11:59.717
And that's one of the things

01:11:59.757 --> 01:12:00.918
about some books that will

01:12:00.939 --> 01:12:02.699
drive you crazy is you're here,

01:12:03.520 --> 01:12:04.502
but then all of a sudden you're like,

01:12:04.641 --> 01:12:04.921
boop.

01:12:05.502 --> 01:12:06.082
Yeah.

01:12:06.143 --> 01:12:07.323
And then you're back, and you're like,

01:12:07.904 --> 01:12:09.085
wait, no, what?

01:12:09.326 --> 01:12:11.648
No, this – what's going on right now?

01:12:12.707 --> 01:12:14.170
And then they'll do it throughout the book,

01:12:14.229 --> 01:12:16.532
and sometimes you can make it make sense.

01:12:17.551 --> 01:12:18.332
But for the most part,

01:12:18.353 --> 01:12:22.636
when it just jumps oddly, like, no.

01:12:22.957 --> 01:12:23.037
Yeah.

01:12:23.644 --> 01:12:24.224
Yeah.

01:12:24.264 --> 01:12:25.164
Who approved this?

01:12:25.604 --> 01:12:27.545
Yeah.

01:12:27.585 --> 01:12:27.744
Well,

01:12:27.765 --> 01:12:28.926
thankfully I went through all those

01:12:28.966 --> 01:12:29.746
rounds of editing.

01:12:29.786 --> 01:12:31.046
So hopefully all that stuff

01:12:31.067 --> 01:12:37.448
got scrapped early on, but I, yeah, I, I,

01:12:37.628 --> 01:12:40.090
I have major events and,

01:12:40.350 --> 01:12:42.090
and thank you for, for,

01:12:42.310 --> 01:12:43.850
for the kind words, by the way,

01:12:44.451 --> 01:12:45.731
I couldn't be happier to hear that.

01:12:45.912 --> 01:12:47.072
You know, I wouldn't,

01:12:47.171 --> 01:12:48.733
I wouldn't be SEO on that one.

01:12:48.773 --> 01:12:50.853
That's, that's genuine from me.

01:12:51.913 --> 01:12:52.094
I've,

01:12:53.113 --> 01:12:54.734
from what I've gotten to enjoy of it,

01:12:55.015 --> 01:12:56.515
I've thoroughly enjoyed of

01:12:56.555 --> 01:12:58.096
it from the comic book and

01:12:58.117 --> 01:12:59.278
then digging into starting

01:12:59.297 --> 01:13:00.338
to dig into the book.

01:13:01.359 --> 01:13:02.279
Yeah.

01:13:02.300 --> 01:13:03.240
That's what I look for.

01:13:03.261 --> 01:13:06.243
Hell yeah, man.

01:13:06.323 --> 01:13:09.545
And it's not overly complicated book.

01:13:09.564 --> 01:13:13.087
You're not trying hard to

01:13:13.106 --> 01:13:14.568
put big words in places

01:13:14.608 --> 01:13:15.689
where big words don't

01:13:15.708 --> 01:13:18.270
belong outside of trying to pronounce it.

01:13:18.970 --> 01:13:19.211
Right.

01:13:19.230 --> 01:13:20.492
Once you have it in your head, you're like,

01:13:20.551 --> 01:13:21.853
okay, that's, that's pretty easy.

01:13:21.912 --> 01:13:22.132
Right.

01:13:23.006 --> 01:13:26.569
But I was like,

01:13:26.649 --> 01:13:28.350
I like books that flow well.

01:13:28.850 --> 01:13:30.192
They're easy to read.

01:13:31.193 --> 01:13:33.335
The writer didn't try to

01:13:33.375 --> 01:13:35.876
confuse his readers by

01:13:35.935 --> 01:13:39.439
throwing in like big made up words.

01:13:40.359 --> 01:13:42.220
Like why?

01:13:43.162 --> 01:13:44.221
I feel like some people can

01:13:44.261 --> 01:13:45.563
get obsessed with trying to

01:13:45.622 --> 01:13:48.345
sound like they're smart by trying to,

01:13:49.605 --> 01:13:51.847
and that's not the purpose of,

01:13:52.779 --> 01:13:55.582
Especially in any kind of fiction.

01:13:55.682 --> 01:13:57.984
It's for enjoyment, right?

01:13:58.005 --> 01:13:59.405
You got to... Entertain me.

01:14:00.127 --> 01:14:00.707
It's entertainment.

01:14:00.726 --> 01:14:02.007
Entertain me with the words.

01:14:02.269 --> 01:14:03.970
Yeah.

01:14:04.029 --> 01:14:04.631
Yeah.

01:14:04.690 --> 01:14:05.992
I know exactly what it is.

01:14:06.452 --> 01:14:08.554
Yeah.

01:14:08.594 --> 01:14:08.854
So... I'm sorry.

01:14:09.375 --> 01:14:10.615
From a creative process,

01:14:10.636 --> 01:14:12.516
what has been the one thing

01:14:12.556 --> 01:14:13.677
that you've enjoyed the most?

01:14:13.738 --> 01:14:17.081
The writing, editing, design...

01:14:18.088 --> 01:14:19.490
collaborating building this

01:14:19.530 --> 01:14:20.551
amazing world that you're

01:14:20.572 --> 01:14:22.033
building what has been your

01:14:22.092 --> 01:14:24.275
favorite part so far of

01:14:24.315 --> 01:14:27.498
this process uh probably

01:14:27.578 --> 01:14:29.201
the uh the world building

01:14:29.440 --> 01:14:31.222
and the character building

01:14:31.542 --> 01:14:33.265
has been the most how big

01:14:33.305 --> 01:14:34.926
is that spreadsheet by the

01:14:34.947 --> 01:14:37.349
way like forty fucking tabs dude

01:14:39.277 --> 01:14:42.278
it's not it's not I had to I

01:14:42.297 --> 01:14:43.658
had to create a religion in

01:14:43.677 --> 01:14:44.738
the book what does religion

01:14:44.759 --> 01:14:45.798
look like seven hundred

01:14:45.819 --> 01:14:46.878
years from now so I had to

01:14:46.918 --> 01:14:47.779
write out the tenets of

01:14:47.819 --> 01:14:48.939
this religion so that I

01:14:48.979 --> 01:14:50.180
could you know put that

01:14:50.220 --> 01:14:51.239
into their faction and

01:14:51.279 --> 01:14:53.701
everything else and I like

01:14:53.801 --> 01:14:55.680
everything from a to z I've

01:14:56.060 --> 01:14:57.641
I've tried to think and I'm

01:14:57.662 --> 01:14:58.881
pretty sure it's still growing

01:14:59.853 --> 01:15:03.194
It's literally weekly, it grows.

01:15:03.534 --> 01:15:06.275
I'm changing things, adding things,

01:15:06.336 --> 01:15:08.096
you know.

01:15:08.176 --> 01:15:09.417
How's your computer set up?

01:15:09.837 --> 01:15:10.018
Like,

01:15:10.037 --> 01:15:11.377
do you have the big screen and then

01:15:11.417 --> 01:15:12.439
another big screen over

01:15:12.479 --> 01:15:14.039
here and then another screen over here?

01:15:14.340 --> 01:15:16.000
I got a big old widescreen.

01:15:16.060 --> 01:15:16.501
It's like,

01:15:16.560 --> 01:15:18.282
I can't even show you with my...

01:15:19.582 --> 01:15:20.703
I usually have like

01:15:20.842 --> 01:15:22.944
multiple different things open.

01:15:23.384 --> 01:15:24.684
So I'll have a spreadsheet

01:15:24.743 --> 01:15:26.404
open on one side and I'll have my...

01:15:28.166 --> 01:15:29.365
my, uh,

01:15:29.386 --> 01:15:31.346
the page in the center that I'm writing,

01:15:31.367 --> 01:15:34.146
you know, the word document, you know,

01:15:34.186 --> 01:15:35.967
like a thesaurus tab open,

01:15:35.988 --> 01:15:37.127
just in case I feel like

01:15:37.167 --> 01:15:38.728
I'm using words too frequently.

01:15:39.488 --> 01:15:41.148
Um, and that's it.

01:15:41.188 --> 01:15:41.988
That's, that's,

01:15:42.448 --> 01:15:45.009
that's typically my writing process,

01:15:45.069 --> 01:15:46.208
unless I'm on the plane and

01:15:46.229 --> 01:15:48.149
then it's just the, I don't,

01:15:48.189 --> 01:15:48.710
I don't have that.

01:15:48.829 --> 01:15:49.529
I actually, it's,

01:15:49.590 --> 01:15:50.470
it's nice to be on the

01:15:51.050 --> 01:15:51.911
writing on the plane is

01:15:51.970 --> 01:15:53.711
nice because I disconnect.

01:15:54.131 --> 01:15:54.310
Yeah.

01:15:54.979 --> 01:15:56.121
have any of the distractions.

01:15:56.180 --> 01:15:58.362
I don't go, oh, did they email me back?

01:15:58.381 --> 01:15:58.903
Let me check.

01:15:58.922 --> 01:15:59.103
No,

01:15:59.182 --> 01:16:01.404
I've got just the music and the writing.

01:16:01.805 --> 01:16:02.725
Yes, exactly.

01:16:02.765 --> 01:16:04.606
And that's that's probably

01:16:04.646 --> 01:16:07.788
why the the writing portion

01:16:07.988 --> 01:16:09.430
of the first book went

01:16:09.930 --> 01:16:11.931
probably a little a little faster.

01:16:13.311 --> 01:16:15.234
But it was the world

01:16:15.253 --> 01:16:16.675
building part because I had

01:16:18.195 --> 01:16:19.917
I hadn't built it yet at that point.

01:16:20.317 --> 01:16:22.097
That was that contributed to

01:16:22.137 --> 01:16:24.439
basically it taking two years to

01:16:24.710 --> 01:16:27.775
to get the first novel completed.

01:16:27.796 --> 01:16:29.118
That's still a really good

01:16:29.158 --> 01:16:30.560
time to crank a book out

01:16:31.100 --> 01:16:32.484
and build a world around it.

01:16:33.204 --> 01:16:33.485
Yeah.

01:16:33.984 --> 01:16:37.046
yeah um it's it's because

01:16:37.086 --> 01:16:39.466
it's not a shorty it's not

01:16:39.506 --> 01:16:41.487
a shorty but but it reads

01:16:41.506 --> 01:16:42.966
you know you you your book

01:16:43.006 --> 01:16:44.148
though is like the perfect

01:16:44.188 --> 01:16:45.688
amount of pages though it's

01:16:45.747 --> 01:16:47.448
not obsessive it's not

01:16:47.507 --> 01:16:50.248
short it's not like why is

01:16:50.269 --> 01:16:51.349
there a thousand pages in

01:16:51.368 --> 01:16:52.930
this book right you know

01:16:52.970 --> 01:16:53.890
it's perfect like that I

01:16:53.909 --> 01:16:54.789
think it was like five

01:16:54.829 --> 01:16:55.951
thirty six I've seen or

01:16:55.990 --> 01:16:56.930
five eighty six something

01:16:56.951 --> 01:16:58.770
like that yeah yeah yeah

01:16:58.850 --> 01:16:59.712
and I was like dude that's

01:16:59.752 --> 01:17:00.792
like to me that's like

01:17:01.920 --> 01:17:03.942
the perfect amount of pages, you know?

01:17:04.521 --> 01:17:05.563
Yeah.

01:17:05.603 --> 01:17:07.885
Solid, solid number.

01:17:07.944 --> 01:17:08.564
It really is.

01:17:08.645 --> 01:17:09.845
It's like you pick a number

01:17:09.865 --> 01:17:13.750
and you're like, it's five thirty six,

01:17:13.789 --> 01:17:15.310
but I was close, you know?

01:17:17.372 --> 01:17:18.372
Exactly.

01:17:18.412 --> 01:17:19.975
So, yeah.

01:17:20.015 --> 01:17:22.837
So I forgot what we were talking about.

01:17:22.856 --> 01:17:23.597
What were we talking about?

01:17:24.497 --> 01:17:24.578
Oh,

01:17:24.618 --> 01:17:26.460
we were just like your favorite part of

01:17:26.479 --> 01:17:26.960
the book.

01:17:27.621 --> 01:17:27.881
Yeah.

01:17:29.386 --> 01:17:31.407
yeah def definitely the like

01:17:31.447 --> 01:17:33.427
I said getting to ask

01:17:33.448 --> 01:17:36.949
questions like you know

01:17:37.930 --> 01:17:39.671
what all right this is

01:17:39.731 --> 01:17:41.172
let's let's say one planet

01:17:41.512 --> 01:17:42.533
I I have one planet that's

01:17:42.552 --> 01:17:43.613
going to be like a water

01:17:43.654 --> 01:17:45.574
planet you got to have a

01:17:45.635 --> 01:17:46.916
water planet yeah you

01:17:46.935 --> 01:17:48.917
cannot cannot have a water

01:17:48.957 --> 01:17:50.637
planet and it just it

01:17:50.677 --> 01:17:52.538
started to get me thinking like all right

01:17:53.828 --> 01:17:54.750
What are the cities going to

01:17:54.770 --> 01:17:56.250
look like in this water planet?

01:17:56.649 --> 01:17:58.490
What are the creatures that

01:17:58.530 --> 01:17:59.212
they're going to find?

01:17:59.252 --> 01:18:00.551
What are their exports?

01:18:00.773 --> 01:18:02.092
Well, it's a water planet,

01:18:02.132 --> 01:18:03.474
so water is going to be one.

01:18:04.054 --> 01:18:06.454
And probably, you know,

01:18:06.815 --> 01:18:09.917
fishing industry and all

01:18:09.957 --> 01:18:10.818
these different things.

01:18:10.917 --> 01:18:13.139
And then what are some of

01:18:13.158 --> 01:18:14.899
their energy sources going to look like?

01:18:15.060 --> 01:18:16.340
Because even though

01:18:16.380 --> 01:18:18.541
vitilarium is used as kind

01:18:18.561 --> 01:18:20.002
of the major energy source,

01:18:20.042 --> 01:18:21.063
it's kind of like the

01:18:21.563 --> 01:18:22.904
fossil fuels of today.

01:18:24.139 --> 01:18:25.600
I want there to be, you know,

01:18:25.699 --> 01:18:26.801
it's that's that's kind of

01:18:26.820 --> 01:18:28.681
a one dimensional look at, you know,

01:18:28.822 --> 01:18:30.703
a real type of society.

01:18:31.064 --> 01:18:31.243
You know,

01:18:31.264 --> 01:18:32.505
there's going to be all sorts of

01:18:32.545 --> 01:18:35.787
different types of energy sources.

01:18:35.827 --> 01:18:37.287
So I basically I found this

01:18:38.488 --> 01:18:41.891
recently where it was a it was it was.

01:18:43.088 --> 01:18:44.569
not a theory but it was like

01:18:44.689 --> 01:18:46.871
a schematic for a potential

01:18:47.731 --> 01:18:49.632
uh power source that was

01:18:49.672 --> 01:18:51.713
basically powered by wave

01:18:51.753 --> 01:18:53.414
movement and it's basically

01:18:53.454 --> 01:18:54.315
like these panels from

01:18:54.355 --> 01:18:57.818
japan yeah yeah yeah put on

01:18:57.837 --> 01:18:59.019
the water and every time

01:18:59.038 --> 01:18:59.798
they're just constantly

01:18:59.838 --> 01:19:00.739
going like this with the

01:19:00.779 --> 01:19:02.121
waves and it's creating

01:19:02.180 --> 01:19:03.681
energy and I was like I'm

01:19:03.721 --> 01:19:04.721
gonna come they're actually

01:19:04.842 --> 01:19:06.623
using one of those in japan right now

01:19:08.416 --> 01:19:08.475
Oh,

01:19:08.576 --> 01:19:10.658
it's a full prototype built already in

01:19:10.698 --> 01:19:12.920
Japan, and it's actually operational.

01:19:13.341 --> 01:19:13.801
Perfect.

01:19:13.820 --> 01:19:14.902
We're going to have an

01:19:14.981 --> 01:19:16.904
updated version of those on that planet.

01:19:17.003 --> 01:19:18.865
We're going to have all sorts of stuff.

01:19:19.305 --> 01:19:20.386
Fun stuff like that.

01:19:20.407 --> 01:19:23.050
When I'm literally like... I

01:19:23.149 --> 01:19:23.850
always liked...

01:19:26.172 --> 01:19:29.395
Do you remember, like, SimCity and, like,

01:19:31.355 --> 01:19:32.555
or even just, like, The Sims?

01:19:32.917 --> 01:19:35.417
You know the mode where you're, like,

01:19:35.457 --> 01:19:36.819
building all the stuff?

01:19:37.259 --> 01:19:39.300
That was part of those video

01:19:39.319 --> 01:19:40.680
games because I was like, oh,

01:19:40.761 --> 01:19:41.980
I get to decide how this

01:19:42.020 --> 01:19:43.282
goes and where this goes.

01:19:43.462 --> 01:19:45.603
I would do that for hours and hours.

01:19:45.762 --> 01:19:47.042
I would forget all about the

01:19:47.122 --> 01:19:48.264
other portions of the game.

01:19:48.323 --> 01:19:49.503
I'd find the cheat codes so

01:19:49.543 --> 01:19:51.244
I could just jack up my

01:19:51.305 --> 01:19:52.925
cash supply so I could just

01:19:52.944 --> 01:19:55.126
build the craziest thing I could possibly,

01:19:55.206 --> 01:19:55.985
you know, fathom.

01:19:56.747 --> 01:19:57.886
Asking mom in the grocery

01:19:57.907 --> 01:19:59.007
store for a pin so you can

01:19:59.028 --> 01:19:59.948
write down the cheat codes

01:19:59.967 --> 01:20:00.948
from the Game Informer.

01:20:00.967 --> 01:20:01.868
Yeah, yeah.

01:20:04.368 --> 01:20:04.670
Nice.

01:20:04.710 --> 01:20:05.430
That was a good move.

01:20:05.529 --> 01:20:06.529
I should have taken that move.

01:20:07.229 --> 01:20:07.250
I...

01:20:09.819 --> 01:20:12.341
uh but uh what was it for

01:20:12.381 --> 01:20:13.761
for the sims it was rosebud

01:20:16.122 --> 01:20:19.023
colon semicolon yeah yep I

01:20:19.182 --> 01:20:22.644
remember that one yeah um

01:20:22.663 --> 01:20:23.684
but anyway yeah the

01:20:23.743 --> 01:20:25.104
building portion has always

01:20:25.164 --> 01:20:28.426
been like since I was a kid

01:20:28.666 --> 01:20:29.546
that that seemed to

01:20:29.586 --> 01:20:31.185
manifest in uh obviously

01:20:31.225 --> 01:20:34.167
that kind of uh rudimentary

01:20:34.226 --> 01:20:36.368
way but like here now I get to

01:20:37.384 --> 01:20:39.005
really just free reign over

01:20:39.125 --> 01:20:40.005
what I get to build.

01:20:40.085 --> 01:20:42.326
And I fucking love that, man.

01:20:42.345 --> 01:20:47.546
There's something about that.

01:20:47.567 --> 01:20:48.688
Were you ever on the plane

01:20:48.747 --> 01:20:49.787
and just leaned over to the

01:20:49.828 --> 01:20:50.708
person that's sitting next

01:20:50.729 --> 01:20:51.588
to you and like turned your

01:20:51.609 --> 01:20:52.488
computer and be like, hey,

01:20:52.509 --> 01:20:53.109
can you read this?

01:20:53.128 --> 01:20:54.050
Does it make sense?

01:20:54.710 --> 01:20:55.670
Did you ever do that?

01:20:56.069 --> 01:20:57.350
No, I never did that.

01:20:59.190 --> 01:21:01.671
I've had some people, you know,

01:21:01.692 --> 01:21:03.012
like as I'm kind of typing

01:21:03.033 --> 01:21:04.212
away with my headphones and

01:21:04.233 --> 01:21:05.474
like nudge me and be like,

01:21:05.654 --> 01:21:06.594
what's this you're working on?

01:21:07.141 --> 01:21:08.283
Because they probably saw me

01:21:08.703 --> 01:21:12.646
start a new chapter or something,

01:21:12.667 --> 01:21:14.167
and then start typing.

01:21:14.189 --> 01:21:14.628
They're like, hey,

01:21:14.649 --> 01:21:15.329
what's this you're writing?

01:21:15.710 --> 01:21:16.250
So I've had some

01:21:16.289 --> 01:21:17.931
conversations with people about it.

01:21:18.471 --> 01:21:20.694
But I'm relatively

01:21:21.314 --> 01:21:26.680
protective over the alpha version.

01:21:28.140 --> 01:21:29.722
As you should be.

01:21:29.863 --> 01:21:31.304
And just because I don't...

01:21:33.234 --> 01:21:33.854
It's not ready.

01:21:33.914 --> 01:21:35.777
The first draft of everything is shit.

01:21:36.377 --> 01:21:38.238
And I forget who said that.

01:21:38.259 --> 01:21:39.619
It's somewhat prominent.

01:21:39.640 --> 01:21:42.722
Somebody important said it.

01:21:42.842 --> 01:21:44.904
Yeah, but that's my point.

01:21:44.984 --> 01:21:47.027
I try not to show it to

01:21:47.127 --> 01:21:48.887
anyone until I feel like

01:21:49.208 --> 01:21:50.270
I'm comfortable with it.

01:21:50.829 --> 01:21:52.331
And I have a high standard

01:21:53.051 --> 01:21:55.594
in terms of comfort.

01:21:55.634 --> 01:21:57.095
I'm a little perfectionist

01:21:57.395 --> 01:21:58.176
when it comes to that.

01:22:00.364 --> 01:22:02.268
Like, even my wife,

01:22:02.307 --> 01:22:04.150
who is probably... She's

01:22:06.394 --> 01:22:07.615
usually my first beta

01:22:07.655 --> 01:22:09.398
reader and probably my

01:22:09.979 --> 01:22:11.560
toughest... Biggest artist critic.

01:22:11.962 --> 01:22:12.762
Yeah.

01:22:12.802 --> 01:22:13.904
Not afraid to tell me if

01:22:13.965 --> 01:22:16.028
something reads like shit and she'll...

01:22:16.912 --> 01:22:18.172
Tell me just like that.

01:22:18.693 --> 01:22:19.393
She's a keeper.

01:22:20.033 --> 01:22:20.854
Yeah.

01:22:20.873 --> 01:22:21.354
All right.

01:22:21.373 --> 01:22:22.255
She's great.

01:22:22.395 --> 01:22:23.335
I mean, you need things.

01:22:23.355 --> 01:22:24.355
You need that, right?

01:22:24.395 --> 01:22:25.277
You need honesty.

01:22:25.356 --> 01:22:26.016
You really do.

01:22:26.497 --> 01:22:27.938
And the honesty is good.

01:22:27.997 --> 01:22:29.859
And I appreciate that from her.

01:22:30.038 --> 01:22:31.140
And she's awesome.

01:22:31.159 --> 01:22:32.039
She's a rock star.

01:22:33.761 --> 01:22:38.384
But I didn't give her any of

01:22:38.423 --> 01:22:39.764
my chapters until I had

01:22:39.863 --> 01:22:41.145
gotten more than halfway

01:22:41.164 --> 01:22:42.046
through the first book.

01:22:42.265 --> 01:22:44.287
And I write a chapter.

01:22:45.449 --> 01:22:46.930
I start the next chapter,

01:22:46.990 --> 01:22:48.431
I'll write the first paragraph,

01:22:48.853 --> 01:22:49.693
and then I leave it.

01:22:50.673 --> 01:22:51.613
And then I'll go back and

01:22:51.774 --> 01:22:52.814
edit the first chapter.

01:22:52.854 --> 01:22:53.695
Okay.

01:22:54.403 --> 01:22:55.724
And once that's fully edited

01:22:56.123 --> 01:22:57.385
and I basically have kind

01:22:57.465 --> 01:22:59.907
of I've had time to sit on

01:22:59.966 --> 01:23:01.469
how I started the chapter,

01:23:01.948 --> 01:23:03.430
then I go back to that chapter.

01:23:03.470 --> 01:23:04.411
And sometimes I'm like,

01:23:04.451 --> 01:23:05.631
I like the way I started that.

01:23:05.712 --> 01:23:06.552
That's the way that it's

01:23:06.573 --> 01:23:07.472
going to flow best.

01:23:07.934 --> 01:23:09.595
And then other times I'm like, actually,

01:23:09.635 --> 01:23:10.275
I want to start this

01:23:10.296 --> 01:23:12.216
chapter this way and I change it.

01:23:12.277 --> 01:23:13.278
And maybe I move what I

01:23:13.318 --> 01:23:15.680
wrote down further or I

01:23:15.699 --> 01:23:16.761
things around a little bit.

01:23:17.440 --> 01:23:18.782
Get ahead of yourself a

01:23:18.801 --> 01:23:20.042
little bit and have to pull it back.

01:23:20.582 --> 01:23:21.823
Yeah, exactly.

01:23:22.463 --> 01:23:22.904
Exactly.

01:23:23.425 --> 01:23:24.685
And that happens when you're

01:23:24.905 --> 01:23:25.626
kind of collecting.

01:23:25.666 --> 01:23:26.846
You're basically collecting

01:23:26.886 --> 01:23:27.747
your thoughts as you're

01:23:27.787 --> 01:23:29.429
writing to put them on the page.

01:23:30.029 --> 01:23:31.550
And that's why when you

01:23:31.609 --> 01:23:32.529
first write something,

01:23:33.110 --> 01:23:35.471
it's probably not the best it could be.

01:23:35.652 --> 01:23:37.673
You need time to be able to go through it.

01:23:37.734 --> 01:23:39.014
So at that point,

01:23:39.175 --> 01:23:41.615
I had already edited those

01:23:41.655 --> 01:23:43.657
chapters probably twice through.

01:23:44.297 --> 01:23:44.457
Mm-hmm.

01:23:45.550 --> 01:23:47.310
And I got to a point where I was like,

01:23:47.331 --> 01:23:49.733
all right, I'll share this with you.

01:23:50.073 --> 01:23:51.613
And she read it and she was like, oh,

01:23:51.654 --> 01:23:54.956
you can actually like, you can write.

01:23:54.975 --> 01:23:57.438
I was like, yeah, thanks.

01:23:59.498 --> 01:24:00.220
Now that's something,

01:24:00.340 --> 01:24:01.380
like my wife will watch me

01:24:01.439 --> 01:24:03.561
build something or watch me

01:24:03.622 --> 01:24:04.561
tear apart something and

01:24:04.582 --> 01:24:05.342
put it back together.

01:24:05.382 --> 01:24:06.143
And she's like, oh,

01:24:06.283 --> 01:24:07.463
you actually know how to do that.

01:24:07.484 --> 01:24:08.765
Yeah, yeah.

01:24:08.784 --> 01:24:09.706
Did you doubt me?

01:24:10.145 --> 01:24:14.708
Like, come on, I said I could do it.

01:24:20.358 --> 01:24:23.099
With a comic book, how far do you see it?

01:24:23.359 --> 01:24:24.579
How many issues do you see

01:24:24.619 --> 01:24:26.521
with the prequels and

01:24:26.582 --> 01:24:27.822
potentially spinoffs?

01:24:27.863 --> 01:24:30.783
Do you see it being very

01:24:30.823 --> 01:24:31.685
much like the book,

01:24:31.925 --> 01:24:33.786
covering all seven books as well,

01:24:33.826 --> 01:24:34.707
plus prequels?

01:24:36.167 --> 01:24:37.548
How big do you see the comic

01:24:37.588 --> 01:24:38.590
book itself getting?

01:24:39.310 --> 01:24:40.551
I'm going to keep making

01:24:40.570 --> 01:24:41.492
them for as long as I'm

01:24:41.511 --> 01:24:42.212
writing the books.

01:24:42.231 --> 01:24:42.771
Like I said,

01:24:42.792 --> 01:24:45.054
that comic book that you have,

01:24:45.662 --> 01:24:48.043
That first issue is just one

01:24:48.064 --> 01:24:50.225
chapter from the first book.

01:24:50.305 --> 01:24:52.404
Yeah, you said chapter six, correct?

01:24:52.444 --> 01:24:53.105
Chapter six.

01:24:55.966 --> 01:24:57.787
The first book is thirty one chapters.

01:24:58.528 --> 01:25:01.429
So I have and then I've got

01:25:01.628 --> 01:25:03.009
six more books after that.

01:25:03.989 --> 01:25:05.170
And that's a daunting task

01:25:05.229 --> 01:25:07.451
on how like which chapters

01:25:07.470 --> 01:25:08.850
do you want to pull and

01:25:08.890 --> 01:25:09.752
make into a comic?

01:25:09.792 --> 01:25:10.771
Because you can't do them all.

01:25:12.243 --> 01:25:14.765
Ah, yeah, yeah, you're probably right.

01:25:15.064 --> 01:25:17.546
But I mean, you can, you can kind of take,

01:25:17.627 --> 01:25:17.846
okay,

01:25:17.867 --> 01:25:19.528
I like this part of this one book

01:25:19.688 --> 01:25:20.948
that goes into this,

01:25:20.969 --> 01:25:21.769
this chapter in this

01:25:21.788 --> 01:25:23.189
chapter kind of go hand in hand.

01:25:23.710 --> 01:25:25.091
So I can kind of split and

01:25:25.150 --> 01:25:26.952
do a twenty four issue or sorry,

01:25:26.971 --> 01:25:28.271
twenty four page book or

01:25:28.292 --> 01:25:30.273
comic book or thirty two page comic book.

01:25:30.734 --> 01:25:31.793
Those are more pages you get

01:25:31.833 --> 01:25:32.875
the more expensive things

01:25:33.055 --> 01:25:34.876
get when it comes to print and stapling.

01:25:36.091 --> 01:25:36.931
It can get messy.

01:25:37.472 --> 01:25:37.713
Yeah.

01:25:37.774 --> 01:25:39.876
So, I mean, there's ways to do it.

01:25:39.935 --> 01:25:42.699
And that was my curiosity is like,

01:25:43.501 --> 01:25:45.764
are you going to attempt to do that?

01:25:45.783 --> 01:25:46.145
Because, I mean,

01:25:46.164 --> 01:25:49.309
that's thirty one comic book issues.

01:25:50.409 --> 01:25:52.113
Plus the prequels just from

01:25:52.212 --> 01:25:52.854
one book alone.

01:25:53.681 --> 01:25:54.362
So, so here's what,

01:25:54.421 --> 01:25:55.421
here's how I'm doing it.

01:25:55.521 --> 01:25:56.722
And that's, that's a good point.

01:25:56.762 --> 01:25:57.262
So yeah,

01:25:57.342 --> 01:25:58.903
some chapters probably aren't

01:25:58.922 --> 01:26:00.042
going to translate well,

01:26:00.804 --> 01:26:02.404
or maybe parts of some

01:26:02.444 --> 01:26:03.884
chapters could be taken.

01:26:04.384 --> 01:26:08.125
And like, for instance, the next,

01:26:08.425 --> 01:26:09.425
the next one that's about

01:26:09.444 --> 01:26:10.286
to come out is a

01:26:10.326 --> 01:26:12.185
combination of two chapters.

01:26:13.626 --> 01:26:16.027
And I took kind of the best, most kind of,

01:26:19.148 --> 01:26:19.688
I guess the most

01:26:19.807 --> 01:26:21.148
interesting parts of both.

01:26:21.783 --> 01:26:23.505
and was able to kind of combine them.

01:26:25.345 --> 01:26:26.006
And so, yeah,

01:26:26.046 --> 01:26:26.845
so it's not going to be a

01:26:26.905 --> 01:26:28.287
perfect one-to-one like I

01:26:28.306 --> 01:26:29.006
mentioned before,

01:26:29.106 --> 01:26:31.307
but as far as what's happening,

01:26:31.948 --> 01:26:33.969
that's going to stay relatively true.

01:26:34.628 --> 01:26:35.130
Yeah.

01:26:35.149 --> 01:26:36.170
At least for now.

01:26:36.430 --> 01:26:37.310
Because right now what's

01:26:37.331 --> 01:26:38.051
going to happen is the

01:26:38.091 --> 01:26:39.350
comic book as it stands is

01:26:39.390 --> 01:26:42.632
going to follow only the protagonist.

01:26:42.693 --> 01:26:45.253
However, the book is multi-narrative.

01:26:45.274 --> 01:26:46.194
So you are going to end up

01:26:46.234 --> 01:26:47.614
following other characters

01:26:48.314 --> 01:26:49.855
who you'll meet later on in the book.

01:26:50.703 --> 01:26:51.922
And what I plan to do is I

01:26:51.962 --> 01:26:53.484
plan to do all of Romans.

01:26:53.963 --> 01:26:55.423
And then I plan to basically

01:26:55.463 --> 01:26:57.045
start doing some of the

01:26:57.085 --> 01:26:58.925
other characters and have

01:26:58.984 --> 01:27:00.746
him and then be able to

01:27:01.246 --> 01:27:02.466
maybe even go back a little

01:27:02.485 --> 01:27:04.127
further and explore some of

01:27:04.146 --> 01:27:05.167
their backstory that I

01:27:05.207 --> 01:27:06.867
don't include in the book.

01:27:07.046 --> 01:27:09.167
And so...

01:27:10.287 --> 01:27:12.007
I don't know if you're familiar with Spawn,

01:27:12.068 --> 01:27:12.368
right?

01:27:13.389 --> 01:27:13.590
Oh, yeah.

01:27:13.609 --> 01:27:14.250
The movie from Todd

01:27:14.270 --> 01:27:15.310
McFarlane in the nineties.

01:27:15.350 --> 01:27:17.953
So we're three hundred plus

01:27:18.052 --> 01:27:19.413
issues deep into the comic

01:27:19.453 --> 01:27:20.614
book right now.

01:27:21.416 --> 01:27:22.676
And what he's done the last

01:27:22.756 --> 01:27:24.837
two years is some of the

01:27:24.877 --> 01:27:26.118
characters that he like,

01:27:26.158 --> 01:27:28.701
he introduced new things to us finally.

01:27:29.061 --> 01:27:30.103
So we got the Scorched,

01:27:30.143 --> 01:27:31.743
which is a team of Spawns.

01:27:34.908 --> 01:27:36.689
We got Gunslinger Spawn,

01:27:37.070 --> 01:27:38.792
Medieval Spawn just came out.

01:27:39.252 --> 01:27:40.873
We have the Book of Nits,

01:27:40.974 --> 01:27:43.655
which is someone who's

01:27:43.695 --> 01:27:44.817
helped him before in the past.

01:27:44.837 --> 01:27:45.677
She's been an enemy.

01:27:45.698 --> 01:27:46.578
She's been a friend.

01:27:47.760 --> 01:27:49.720
And he just recently did The Violator,

01:27:50.061 --> 01:27:52.623
which got a seven book spinoff.

01:27:53.543 --> 01:27:54.505
So they went back and kind

01:27:54.545 --> 01:27:56.386
of told a history story of

01:27:56.546 --> 01:27:58.467
like different cultural and

01:27:58.509 --> 01:28:01.251
world events that The Violator caused,

01:28:02.192 --> 01:28:03.453
like the plague in Europe.

01:28:04.345 --> 01:28:05.027
You know what I'm saying?

01:28:05.106 --> 01:28:06.587
That is a dope concept to

01:28:06.648 --> 01:28:08.770
grasp into and go, hey,

01:28:08.829 --> 01:28:09.911
I'm going to go and do this

01:28:10.171 --> 01:28:12.912
five-issue character

01:28:12.932 --> 01:28:13.833
spinoff for this one

01:28:13.854 --> 01:28:15.055
particular character.

01:28:16.355 --> 01:28:18.037
And that's kind of what Todd McFarlane,

01:28:18.056 --> 01:28:19.198
the team over at Image and

01:28:19.238 --> 01:28:20.179
the Spawn Universe is

01:28:20.238 --> 01:28:21.779
currently doing right now.

01:28:21.960 --> 01:28:23.721
I love that concept.

01:28:23.761 --> 01:28:27.545
So just tossing one up for you.

01:28:29.145 --> 01:28:30.868
It's a dope concept to explore.

01:28:32.493 --> 01:28:35.256
And I definitely want to do

01:28:35.315 --> 01:28:36.737
something like that, because like I said,

01:28:36.796 --> 01:28:38.278
I want to make this immersive.

01:28:38.337 --> 01:28:40.859
I want to make it expansive.

01:28:42.079 --> 01:28:44.002
I want this to be something

01:28:44.021 --> 01:28:45.682
people can sink their teeth into.

01:28:45.722 --> 01:28:47.224
And this is even though

01:28:47.243 --> 01:28:48.685
we're kind of at the ground floor,

01:28:48.784 --> 01:28:51.185
like I just I want anyone

01:28:51.225 --> 01:28:53.448
who's out there who's maybe

01:28:53.488 --> 01:28:54.648
looking for something new

01:28:54.728 --> 01:28:55.788
or looking to check out

01:28:55.889 --> 01:28:58.371
some some cool sci fi stuff like this.

01:28:59.360 --> 01:29:01.502
I'm not stopping anytime soon.

01:29:01.521 --> 01:29:02.863
I've got a lot of big plans

01:29:02.882 --> 01:29:04.222
for this and I'm going to keep going.

01:29:04.283 --> 01:29:06.564
And even if I have to finance, you know,

01:29:07.163 --> 01:29:07.625
all of it.

01:29:10.886 --> 01:29:11.886
That leads to my next

01:29:11.926 --> 01:29:13.106
question is how are you

01:29:13.327 --> 01:29:14.507
currently financing the

01:29:14.547 --> 01:29:16.448
comic book version of this?

01:29:16.889 --> 01:29:17.529
Just myself.

01:29:17.548 --> 01:29:19.409
Okay.

01:29:20.077 --> 01:29:21.859
That's it.

01:29:21.878 --> 01:29:22.819
I don't know if you're using

01:29:22.880 --> 01:29:24.740
Kickstarter or something like that.

01:29:24.841 --> 01:29:27.444
I haven't yet.

01:29:27.944 --> 01:29:29.365
I've been toying around with

01:29:29.405 --> 01:29:30.987
the idea of doing a Kickstarter.

01:29:31.006 --> 01:29:34.250
If you ever want to do one, let me know.

01:29:35.190 --> 01:29:36.752
I know a guy who wrote a

01:29:36.792 --> 01:29:39.614
whole basic how-to guide on

01:29:39.654 --> 01:29:41.596
how to run a Kickstarter campaign.

01:29:41.617 --> 01:29:42.296
Okay.

01:29:43.637 --> 01:29:44.859
it's really good I've read

01:29:44.878 --> 01:29:45.659
through it even though I

01:29:45.680 --> 01:29:46.621
don't have a plan to do a

01:29:46.680 --> 01:29:48.082
kickstarter anytime soon

01:29:48.141 --> 01:29:50.024
but he sent it to me out of

01:29:50.043 --> 01:29:50.965
the goodness of his heart

01:29:51.064 --> 01:29:52.265
said hey if anybody ever

01:29:52.326 --> 01:29:54.528
wants to know how I did

01:29:54.587 --> 01:29:56.149
this and my lessons learned

01:29:57.010 --> 01:29:58.270
you get past this to them

01:29:58.310 --> 01:29:59.212
so shout out to bruno

01:29:59.231 --> 01:30:01.234
catarino who I've had the

01:30:01.253 --> 01:30:02.154
pleasure of talking to

01:30:02.213 --> 01:30:03.576
twice now who's both his

01:30:03.655 --> 01:30:06.677
books got funded recently

01:30:06.738 --> 01:30:07.658
which I thought was really

01:30:07.698 --> 01:30:08.579
dope I'm always happy to

01:30:08.619 --> 01:30:10.161
see people who come on

01:30:11.064 --> 01:30:12.364
secede because that's

01:30:12.425 --> 01:30:13.145
ultimately at the end of

01:30:13.164 --> 01:30:14.546
the day what I want to see

01:30:14.605 --> 01:30:17.027
is them secede right and I

01:30:17.046 --> 01:30:19.108
got to play my tiny part in

01:30:19.167 --> 01:30:20.828
that you know that's you

01:30:20.868 --> 01:30:23.189
know you always celebrate

01:30:23.210 --> 01:30:24.350
your friend's successes

01:30:25.211 --> 01:30:28.592
yeah yeah and so I if

01:30:28.613 --> 01:30:29.752
you're ever interested in

01:30:29.792 --> 01:30:31.373
it I can shoot that over to

01:30:31.413 --> 01:30:33.875
you that's yeah not an

01:30:33.954 --> 01:30:34.836
issue I could even put you

01:30:34.855 --> 01:30:36.036
in contact with bruno and

01:30:36.076 --> 01:30:37.056
he could send it to you and

01:30:37.157 --> 01:30:38.197
you could ask him questions

01:30:38.216 --> 01:30:39.018
if you ever wanted to

01:30:39.871 --> 01:30:42.652
I'd be interested in something like that.

01:30:45.934 --> 01:30:47.494
This journey has taken me

01:30:47.534 --> 01:30:49.355
down kind of like a whole new,

01:30:50.355 --> 01:30:51.596
just a whole new world

01:30:51.917 --> 01:30:52.756
where I'm just like,

01:30:53.417 --> 01:30:54.757
I'm more interested now

01:30:54.877 --> 01:30:56.158
than I ever have been in

01:30:56.219 --> 01:30:57.899
like learning new skills

01:30:57.960 --> 01:30:58.840
and like learning how

01:30:58.899 --> 01:30:59.900
different things work.

01:30:59.980 --> 01:31:02.341
And it's just, it's ignited like this.

01:31:03.086 --> 01:31:04.846
this new passion for

01:31:05.108 --> 01:31:08.529
learning and exploration and, um,

01:31:08.609 --> 01:31:10.372
Listening to you talk about it.

01:31:10.551 --> 01:31:12.512
You can feel that, you know,

01:31:13.293 --> 01:31:14.033
like you could tell how

01:31:14.094 --> 01:31:15.576
passionate you are about

01:31:15.676 --> 01:31:16.615
what it is that you're

01:31:16.676 --> 01:31:17.317
doing and what you're

01:31:17.356 --> 01:31:19.559
trying to give to people.

01:31:19.578 --> 01:31:21.439
And it, to me,

01:31:21.479 --> 01:31:22.701
it shows in the work as well.

01:31:23.702 --> 01:31:26.184
So hats off to you cause

01:31:26.203 --> 01:31:28.024
you're nailing it and you can feel that.

01:31:28.085 --> 01:31:29.466
Thanks man.

01:31:29.506 --> 01:31:31.146
Appreciate it.

01:31:31.167 --> 01:31:31.908
Appreciate that.

01:31:33.037 --> 01:31:38.381
Yeah, I just, I don't know, man.

01:31:38.461 --> 01:31:39.600
I'm basically just kind of

01:31:39.640 --> 01:31:40.921
learning on the fly as I'm

01:31:40.962 --> 01:31:43.484
doing everything now with this.

01:31:43.623 --> 01:31:45.564
And it's a free,

01:31:46.444 --> 01:31:48.086
there's definitely a freedom to it.

01:31:48.166 --> 01:31:49.886
It's definitely freeing in

01:31:50.806 --> 01:31:52.068
some aspects and it's kind

01:31:52.127 --> 01:31:53.229
of scary in others.

01:31:53.309 --> 01:31:55.090
Like, you know, I don't know.

01:31:55.630 --> 01:31:58.832
I couldn't imagine like, kind of like, A,

01:31:58.851 --> 01:32:01.233
you stepped away from your nine to five.

01:32:02.283 --> 01:32:04.604
You started your own company, two of them.

01:32:04.625 --> 01:32:04.704
Yeah.

01:32:04.725 --> 01:32:08.207
And then you're like, hey,

01:32:08.247 --> 01:32:09.247
I'm going to write a book

01:32:09.347 --> 01:32:10.207
and I'm going to spin that

01:32:10.268 --> 01:32:11.689
off into this big world.

01:32:11.729 --> 01:32:13.369
And we're also going to have comic books.

01:32:13.590 --> 01:32:15.390
And, dude, that's like.

01:32:18.512 --> 01:32:20.012
I don't even know how to describe that.

01:32:20.052 --> 01:32:22.194
Like, that's just that's a leap of faith,

01:32:22.215 --> 01:32:23.395
if I've ever seen one, dude,

01:32:23.694 --> 01:32:24.555
and putting the faith in

01:32:24.595 --> 01:32:26.277
what you what you're doing.

01:32:27.596 --> 01:32:28.557
Yeah.

01:32:28.578 --> 01:32:29.078
I said, Jesus,

01:32:29.097 --> 01:32:30.359
take the will moment for sure.

01:32:30.878 --> 01:32:31.998
That's a, yeah, definitely.

01:32:35.979 --> 01:32:36.300
Yeah.

01:32:36.779 --> 01:32:37.261
Yeah, man.

01:32:37.341 --> 01:32:40.780
I'm just, like I said, I feel like as,

01:32:42.002 --> 01:32:43.681
you know, part of me wants to say like,

01:32:43.742 --> 01:32:44.942
oh man, I hope it works out.

01:32:44.981 --> 01:32:45.802
But then the other part,

01:32:45.823 --> 01:32:47.743
there's like a part of me that's like,

01:32:48.603 --> 01:32:50.304
just focus on the content,

01:32:51.024 --> 01:32:52.804
just focus on the body of work.

01:32:52.844 --> 01:32:55.604
Like you have so much,

01:32:56.507 --> 01:32:58.689
planned like you you have so

01:32:58.729 --> 01:32:59.831
many things if you can just

01:32:59.871 --> 01:33:01.212
focus on making sure that

01:33:01.252 --> 01:33:03.293
you bring it to fruition in

01:33:03.333 --> 01:33:04.854
the best possible form that

01:33:04.914 --> 01:33:08.217
it could be um it it it'll

01:33:08.238 --> 01:33:10.800
work out and um one piece

01:33:10.880 --> 01:33:11.801
at a time that's all you

01:33:11.820 --> 01:33:15.203
can do exactly exactly so

01:33:15.264 --> 01:33:17.185
I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna

01:33:17.204 --> 01:33:18.065
keep grinding away

01:33:20.332 --> 01:33:21.273
A couple of more for you.

01:33:21.313 --> 01:33:21.934
Looking back,

01:33:21.993 --> 01:33:23.033
is there anything that you've

01:33:23.094 --> 01:33:24.515
learned during this project

01:33:24.534 --> 01:33:25.996
that made you kind of

01:33:26.055 --> 01:33:27.115
change how you think about

01:33:27.216 --> 01:33:33.519
storytelling as a whole?

01:33:33.639 --> 01:33:39.221
About storytelling as a whole.

01:33:40.863 --> 01:33:43.064
I've definitely learned, I feel like,

01:33:43.123 --> 01:33:44.645
what works and what doesn't work.

01:33:46.609 --> 01:33:48.670
Mostly through my beta readers.

01:33:49.149 --> 01:33:51.390
They've been immensely helpful.

01:33:53.252 --> 01:33:55.092
Just making sure that I have,

01:33:55.212 --> 01:33:57.913
and my editor, my editor, John Smith,

01:33:58.606 --> 01:33:59.927
most generic name in the

01:33:59.967 --> 01:34:02.729
world but great guy um he's

01:34:02.748 --> 01:34:04.948
a professor up in uh I

01:34:04.988 --> 01:34:07.590
forget where but uh he he

01:34:07.630 --> 01:34:08.551
was that was a very

01:34:08.591 --> 01:34:11.471
collaborative um scenario

01:34:11.572 --> 01:34:12.872
and one of the things that

01:34:12.891 --> 01:34:14.372
he told me was like he's

01:34:14.393 --> 01:34:15.412
like you've got this big

01:34:15.453 --> 01:34:17.474
story in your head and

01:34:18.136 --> 01:34:19.237
When I gave him the book,

01:34:19.358 --> 01:34:20.738
it had already been through

01:34:20.757 --> 01:34:24.899
a few of my beta readers, my own, my own,

01:34:24.960 --> 01:34:26.740
you know, perfectionist bullshit.

01:34:27.381 --> 01:34:28.060
And he was like,

01:34:29.301 --> 01:34:30.261
I see this as like

01:34:30.502 --> 01:34:32.082
basically ninety percent done.

01:34:32.103 --> 01:34:33.524
And I was like, all right, well,

01:34:33.564 --> 01:34:34.384
that's good to hear.

01:34:34.423 --> 01:34:35.184
It was not what I was

01:34:35.224 --> 01:34:37.625
expecting because I had been basically,

01:34:37.645 --> 01:34:37.805
you know,

01:34:37.824 --> 01:34:39.326
I'd heard horror stories of like,

01:34:39.345 --> 01:34:40.206
you've got to change this.

01:34:40.246 --> 01:34:41.027
You've got to change that.

01:34:41.046 --> 01:34:41.327
You guys.

01:34:41.386 --> 01:34:44.728
And it wasn't that at all.

01:34:44.768 --> 01:34:46.048
He could tell I kind of came

01:34:46.600 --> 01:34:48.242
to the table prepared and he was like,

01:34:48.301 --> 01:34:48.542
look,

01:34:49.521 --> 01:34:52.423
some parts need more elaboration and

01:34:52.484 --> 01:34:53.484
some parts you're just a

01:34:53.543 --> 01:34:54.425
little too wordy.

01:34:54.545 --> 01:34:55.305
And for me,

01:34:56.286 --> 01:34:59.006
I'd say the biggest thing for me was,

01:34:59.466 --> 01:35:00.408
especially in the book,

01:35:00.688 --> 01:35:02.108
I probably cut off about

01:35:03.248 --> 01:35:07.850
fifty pages throughout the

01:35:07.911 --> 01:35:10.712
editing process, which was mostly just me

01:35:11.788 --> 01:35:12.948
cutting down the wordiness

01:35:12.988 --> 01:35:14.350
of certain areas because I

01:35:14.430 --> 01:35:15.729
my goal with this was to

01:35:15.770 --> 01:35:16.829
try and put you in the

01:35:16.890 --> 01:35:18.831
front seat so that you

01:35:18.850 --> 01:35:19.990
could see everything that

01:35:20.030 --> 01:35:21.070
was going on with the

01:35:21.091 --> 01:35:22.671
characters in every single

01:35:22.711 --> 01:35:23.971
scenario almost like you

01:35:23.992 --> 01:35:25.131
were I wanted it to be

01:35:25.171 --> 01:35:27.072
almost like a cinematic

01:35:27.112 --> 01:35:30.273
event through text right oh

01:35:30.292 --> 01:35:32.172
yeah yeah no that once I

01:35:32.193 --> 01:35:33.333
got to where we started

01:35:33.394 --> 01:35:34.654
learning about young roman

01:35:36.201 --> 01:35:37.921
You get that feel from it, though.

01:35:38.282 --> 01:35:40.282
So you accomplish that wholeheartedly.

01:35:40.822 --> 01:35:42.042
That's that's good to hear

01:35:42.103 --> 01:35:43.643
because that's the way you

01:35:43.703 --> 01:35:45.564
lay your details with the story.

01:35:46.043 --> 01:35:47.264
And you can almost in your head,

01:35:47.283 --> 01:35:48.805
you get your reading,

01:35:48.845 --> 01:35:50.164
but your your brain is

01:35:50.204 --> 01:35:51.085
playing it for you.

01:35:51.246 --> 01:35:52.006
You know what I'm saying?

01:35:52.386 --> 01:35:52.786
Yes.

01:35:53.145 --> 01:35:53.426
Yes.

01:35:53.506 --> 01:35:53.765
Yeah.

01:35:54.006 --> 01:35:54.185
No,

01:35:54.246 --> 01:35:56.367
you know that you definitely know that.

01:35:56.926 --> 01:35:58.007
That's that's good to hear.

01:35:59.762 --> 01:36:00.744
And yeah,

01:36:00.786 --> 01:36:02.229
just making sure that... And a

01:36:02.270 --> 01:36:03.533
lot of times it's just kind

01:36:03.554 --> 01:36:05.018
of like tedious tweaks and

01:36:05.037 --> 01:36:05.779
things like that.

01:36:05.819 --> 01:36:06.362
Like I could...

01:36:07.311 --> 01:36:09.073
know shorten it by you know

01:36:09.394 --> 01:36:10.734
just rewording it this way

01:36:10.835 --> 01:36:12.336
and that kind of stuff

01:36:12.376 --> 01:36:13.756
that's that was definitely

01:36:13.858 --> 01:36:16.560
my my one biggest flaw when

01:36:16.640 --> 01:36:17.860
I when I was first writing

01:36:18.240 --> 01:36:18.942
and then there were other

01:36:18.981 --> 01:36:20.483
parts where you know I've

01:36:20.542 --> 01:36:22.645
got it's all up here like I

01:36:22.685 --> 01:36:24.265
know exactly what I want to

01:36:24.305 --> 01:36:25.707
portray I know exactly

01:36:25.967 --> 01:36:26.868
what's going on in the

01:36:26.889 --> 01:36:28.409
scene I know you already

01:36:28.430 --> 01:36:31.011
have your indian planned oh

01:36:31.051 --> 01:36:32.132
what's that do you have

01:36:32.153 --> 01:36:33.134
your indian planned

01:36:33.796 --> 01:36:34.478
My ending?

01:36:34.537 --> 01:36:35.259
Oh, my ending.

01:36:35.359 --> 01:36:35.679
Oh, yeah.

01:36:35.738 --> 01:36:35.918
Yeah.

01:36:36.600 --> 01:36:37.621
Like book seven,

01:36:37.761 --> 01:36:40.024
you know exactly how you

01:36:40.064 --> 01:36:41.545
want the story to close.

01:36:42.185 --> 01:36:44.507
I know exactly how it ends.

01:36:44.528 --> 01:36:45.770
Because I've always,

01:36:46.130 --> 01:36:47.350
other writers I've talked to,

01:36:47.671 --> 01:36:48.672
whether it's a comic book

01:36:48.773 --> 01:36:51.135
artist or just people that

01:36:51.175 --> 01:36:53.056
I've met at cons who write, you know,

01:36:53.157 --> 01:36:54.939
sci-fi novels and that kind of stuff.

01:36:55.239 --> 01:36:56.461
They're like, oh, I wrote my ending.

01:36:57.181 --> 01:36:58.382
that last chapter of that

01:36:58.422 --> 01:37:00.003
book was done before I even

01:37:00.644 --> 01:37:01.604
got into the beginning.

01:37:01.625 --> 01:37:02.605
Cause that's what come to me

01:37:02.666 --> 01:37:04.327
first is how cool would a

01:37:04.367 --> 01:37:06.127
book be if it ended this way?

01:37:06.908 --> 01:37:07.828
And I wrote that.

01:37:07.908 --> 01:37:09.350
And then I went back and wrote the rest.

01:37:09.369 --> 01:37:11.412
I was like, dude, that's insane to me.

01:37:12.091 --> 01:37:12.512
I get it.

01:37:12.733 --> 01:37:13.432
Yeah.

01:37:13.453 --> 01:37:15.354
Cause you want that perfect ending.

01:37:16.055 --> 01:37:17.796
And I know a lot of people are like,

01:37:17.836 --> 01:37:18.936
if you're writing something,

01:37:19.516 --> 01:37:20.257
you know where you want to

01:37:20.297 --> 01:37:22.238
take it and how you want to end it.

01:37:22.259 --> 01:37:24.541
It's just getting to that point.

01:37:25.605 --> 01:37:26.146
Exactly.

01:37:28.809 --> 01:37:29.248
Like I said,

01:37:29.548 --> 01:37:30.550
remember when I said I like to

01:37:30.569 --> 01:37:31.591
keep the writing fluid?

01:37:32.331 --> 01:37:33.532
Yes.

01:37:35.094 --> 01:37:36.094
There are certain things

01:37:36.134 --> 01:37:37.034
that are hardwired.

01:37:37.555 --> 01:37:38.315
Like, for instance,

01:37:38.355 --> 01:37:39.417
the first two books are

01:37:39.436 --> 01:37:42.658
going to be on a planetary basis,

01:37:42.698 --> 01:37:44.560
happening on planet Deorum.

01:37:45.161 --> 01:37:47.342
The next set of books are

01:37:47.382 --> 01:37:51.747
going to happen on a galactic basis,

01:37:52.046 --> 01:37:53.148
so with all of the

01:37:53.188 --> 01:37:54.488
different colonized planets.

01:37:55.440 --> 01:37:56.261
which is going to be fun

01:37:56.280 --> 01:37:56.740
because we're going to

01:37:56.761 --> 01:37:57.881
explore some other planets.

01:37:58.061 --> 01:37:59.502
And then in the third segment,

01:37:59.841 --> 01:38:01.002
we're going to start getting weird.

01:38:01.622 --> 01:38:03.002
And I already know exactly

01:38:03.042 --> 01:38:04.083
how I want it to end.

01:38:04.764 --> 01:38:05.344
I love weird.

01:38:05.363 --> 01:38:07.164
Aside from small details

01:38:07.204 --> 01:38:09.005
that may shift and change throughout,

01:38:09.104 --> 01:38:11.145
but everything else in between,

01:38:11.905 --> 01:38:13.426
I try and keep it fluid,

01:38:13.787 --> 01:38:15.747
but keep it moving toward those major,

01:38:15.806 --> 01:38:16.627
major events.

01:38:17.167 --> 01:38:18.207
So I'm guessing you already

01:38:18.228 --> 01:38:20.509
have it stacked and laid out on...

01:38:21.252 --> 01:38:23.894
book two I need x y and z to

01:38:23.913 --> 01:38:26.376
happen book three abc will

01:38:26.395 --> 01:38:28.016
happen and so forth and so

01:38:28.077 --> 01:38:29.157
on there's certain events

01:38:29.176 --> 01:38:30.118
that have to happen in

01:38:30.177 --> 01:38:31.658
certain books and you're

01:38:31.679 --> 01:38:33.539
just kind of like writing

01:38:33.560 --> 01:38:34.900
the details of those events

01:38:34.940 --> 01:38:36.582
to get there I'm connecting

01:38:36.601 --> 01:38:38.323
the dots essentially so

01:38:38.404 --> 01:38:39.824
yeah yeah that's the that's

01:38:39.864 --> 01:38:41.225
the that's what I said kind

01:38:41.265 --> 01:38:43.167
of that's exactly what you said

01:38:44.627 --> 01:38:45.266
You read my mind.

01:38:45.327 --> 01:38:46.146
It was a picture book.

01:38:46.527 --> 01:38:47.247
Yeah.

01:38:47.328 --> 01:38:47.868
And so.

01:38:49.108 --> 01:38:49.528
So, yeah.

01:38:49.568 --> 01:38:51.507
So I know how it ends.

01:38:51.768 --> 01:38:52.747
And like I said,

01:38:52.788 --> 01:38:55.109
it's I've always enjoyed

01:38:55.189 --> 01:38:57.729
like philosophy and

01:38:57.788 --> 01:38:59.229
especially the philosophy

01:38:59.489 --> 01:39:02.270
of like advanced civilization.

01:39:02.329 --> 01:39:02.810
And, you know,

01:39:02.930 --> 01:39:04.411
as things begin to expand

01:39:04.430 --> 01:39:05.291
and what happens.

01:39:05.331 --> 01:39:08.150
And I love sci fi for the

01:39:08.171 --> 01:39:09.810
fact that it allows us to

01:39:09.890 --> 01:39:11.652
explore like potential ways

01:39:11.671 --> 01:39:12.712
that we can fuck it up.

01:39:13.524 --> 01:39:15.786
But also because it's a

01:39:15.826 --> 01:39:17.106
guarantee we're going to do that.

01:39:17.127 --> 01:39:17.207
Yeah.

01:39:18.148 --> 01:39:19.309
And it's, it's like,

01:39:19.328 --> 01:39:20.329
it's a good way for us to

01:39:20.430 --> 01:39:22.672
identify pitfalls, you know, as,

01:39:22.813 --> 01:39:23.573
as a society,

01:39:23.594 --> 01:39:24.975
like there's value to sci-fi

01:39:25.015 --> 01:39:25.916
in that respect.

01:39:27.356 --> 01:39:28.939
And then it also allows us

01:39:28.958 --> 01:39:30.100
to come up with potential

01:39:30.140 --> 01:39:32.221
solutions or ways to, you know,

01:39:34.307 --> 01:39:35.408
frame a solution,

01:39:35.469 --> 01:39:37.409
just different mindsets that could,

01:39:37.590 --> 01:39:38.270
you know,

01:39:38.510 --> 01:39:40.930
help us get through certain hardships.

01:39:41.631 --> 01:39:44.252
And I love doing that,

01:39:44.273 --> 01:39:45.552
and so I wanted the ending

01:39:45.573 --> 01:39:46.913
to be very meaningful.

01:39:47.873 --> 01:39:49.715
And so we're going to

01:39:49.755 --> 01:39:51.256
explore a lot of things in

01:39:51.836 --> 01:39:52.716
this series arc.

01:39:53.277 --> 01:39:54.377
We're going to explore...

01:39:55.658 --> 01:39:56.537
We're going to explore...

01:39:56.618 --> 01:39:58.099
I'm going to try to explore

01:39:58.158 --> 01:39:59.659
the crux at which...

01:40:02.671 --> 01:40:04.310
simulation theory the big

01:40:04.332 --> 01:40:08.113
bang theory religion and

01:40:08.552 --> 01:40:09.632
kind of like a theory of

01:40:09.693 --> 01:40:12.634
everything meat okay so

01:40:12.673 --> 01:40:14.173
that's where we're and it's

01:40:14.253 --> 01:40:15.414
and it's not it's not going

01:40:15.435 --> 01:40:16.975
to be like overt it's going

01:40:16.994 --> 01:40:18.536
to be more so like kind of

01:40:18.636 --> 01:40:20.456
in this in the subtext uh

01:40:20.956 --> 01:40:22.796
but all of the different

01:40:23.796 --> 01:40:24.537
all of the different

01:40:24.556 --> 01:40:26.177
theories just a way that

01:40:26.217 --> 01:40:28.177
they kind of coincided to one okay so

01:40:33.119 --> 01:40:33.739
Let me ask this.

01:40:33.800 --> 01:40:35.640
I know in the first issue of

01:40:35.661 --> 01:40:36.461
the comic book,

01:40:37.001 --> 01:40:39.942
Roman was out getting an artifact.

01:40:40.521 --> 01:40:41.702
Is that going to be a common

01:40:41.801 --> 01:40:43.783
theme throughout the comic

01:40:43.802 --> 01:40:47.043
book in the actual story, the book?

01:40:51.385 --> 01:40:55.086
It is an important detail.

01:40:55.365 --> 01:40:58.567
You'll see more instances of that.

01:40:58.606 --> 01:41:00.146
It's not going to be all him.

01:41:01.408 --> 01:41:01.868
One of the

01:41:03.011 --> 01:41:04.353
One of the things about

01:41:04.493 --> 01:41:07.536
Roman is that he's especially skilled in,

01:41:08.416 --> 01:41:08.676
you know,

01:41:08.756 --> 01:41:11.479
knowledge of the untamed

01:41:11.519 --> 01:41:12.819
wilderness of Deorum.

01:41:13.140 --> 01:41:15.681
Just kind of the jungles, the forest,

01:41:15.702 --> 01:41:16.783
the mountainous regions,

01:41:16.842 --> 01:41:17.783
the desert regions.

01:41:18.144 --> 01:41:19.484
I have the whole planet mapped out.

01:41:22.047 --> 01:41:23.548
essentially he's he's just

01:41:23.569 --> 01:41:25.529
he's he has these like

01:41:25.569 --> 01:41:27.210
weird kind of like savant

01:41:27.270 --> 01:41:28.331
elements where he's just

01:41:28.371 --> 01:41:29.251
like oh that's that

01:41:29.291 --> 01:41:30.371
creature that's you this is

01:41:30.430 --> 01:41:32.351
how you do you know okay

01:41:32.372 --> 01:41:34.033
creature this is it because

01:41:34.252 --> 01:41:35.654
um one of the things that

01:41:35.673 --> 01:41:36.554
you find out in the first

01:41:36.594 --> 01:41:38.895
chapter is his father used

01:41:38.935 --> 01:41:40.536
to quiz him on the fauna

01:41:40.576 --> 01:41:42.055
diorum books which is all

01:41:42.095 --> 01:41:44.436
like the animals of the

01:41:44.476 --> 01:41:45.478
planet and like all the

01:41:45.518 --> 01:41:48.658
different things so and it's a cut throat

01:41:49.320 --> 01:41:51.622
kind of planet in terms of

01:41:51.641 --> 01:41:52.722
the species that exist

01:41:52.762 --> 01:41:54.463
there I mean they are there

01:41:54.503 --> 01:41:55.783
are fucking monsters on

01:41:55.823 --> 01:41:59.086
this planet um so there

01:41:59.145 --> 01:42:00.346
there are elements of that

01:42:00.506 --> 01:42:01.766
certainly kind of scattered

01:42:01.806 --> 01:42:05.368
throughout um and I I part

01:42:05.429 --> 01:42:06.850
of that I I definitely

01:42:06.869 --> 01:42:08.770
think I I pull from my love

01:42:08.791 --> 01:42:11.612
for the witcher series um I

01:42:11.631 --> 01:42:14.274
am a huge fan of that and

01:42:14.854 --> 01:42:17.414
yes so this is your do you

01:42:17.454 --> 01:42:18.695
uh do you play video games

01:42:20.170 --> 01:42:20.350
I do.

01:42:20.369 --> 01:42:21.610
When I have opportunities,

01:42:21.810 --> 01:42:23.311
I sneak in and get me a

01:42:23.372 --> 01:42:24.792
game in for a couple hours.

01:42:25.413 --> 01:42:28.376
So this is like if you took Mass Effect,

01:42:28.876 --> 01:42:30.957
Cyberpunk, and The Witcher,

01:42:31.037 --> 01:42:33.739
and you mashed them together.

01:42:34.500 --> 01:42:35.780
That's the kind of game that

01:42:35.841 --> 01:42:36.641
this would be like,

01:42:36.662 --> 01:42:37.783
and that's exactly what I

01:42:37.802 --> 01:42:39.384
want this to feel like,

01:42:39.543 --> 01:42:40.704
even when you're just reading it.

01:42:44.197 --> 01:42:46.439
So that's kind of where, I guess,

01:42:46.800 --> 01:42:50.645
a little bit of my inspiration came from.

01:42:51.787 --> 01:42:53.770
That's three classics right there,

01:42:53.829 --> 01:42:54.911
and they're all one of

01:42:54.930 --> 01:42:55.851
those games where you can

01:42:55.872 --> 01:42:58.136
just go back and just play it.

01:42:58.725 --> 01:43:00.226
Yeah, a hundred percent.

01:43:00.447 --> 01:43:01.087
And I love those.

01:43:01.546 --> 01:43:02.847
I love a game with a good,

01:43:03.969 --> 01:43:05.509
a good campaign storyline,

01:43:05.548 --> 01:43:08.190
like a really good, I love,

01:43:08.791 --> 01:43:10.712
I love going on and like

01:43:10.731 --> 01:43:12.212
put me on the road for a

01:43:12.332 --> 01:43:13.233
fucking adventure.

01:43:13.472 --> 01:43:16.975
Like that's, that's what I, I,

01:43:16.994 --> 01:43:19.115
I will play story mode all day on stuff.

01:43:19.136 --> 01:43:20.576
Like everybody's running around GTA,

01:43:20.636 --> 01:43:22.938
you know, just killing the NPCs.

01:43:22.957 --> 01:43:23.618
I'm like, nah, dude,

01:43:23.677 --> 01:43:24.918
I'm in the story mode.

01:43:25.359 --> 01:43:25.618
Yeah.

01:43:26.594 --> 01:43:27.515
I'm playing the story

01:43:27.555 --> 01:43:28.395
through and then I'm going

01:43:28.414 --> 01:43:30.315
to go have the fun and run

01:43:30.355 --> 01:43:31.855
over people and do all that stuff.

01:43:31.895 --> 01:43:33.476
But the story's got to be complete.

01:43:33.997 --> 01:43:34.256
Yeah.

01:43:36.297 --> 01:43:37.759
Yeah, that's good.

01:43:37.958 --> 01:43:38.698
I'm the same way.

01:43:39.420 --> 01:43:40.500
I love the story.

01:43:40.680 --> 01:43:43.261
And I feel like I also love

01:43:43.301 --> 01:43:44.502
games where you get.

01:43:45.289 --> 01:43:47.350
like an option to kind of choose,

01:43:48.810 --> 01:43:50.692
or you get the opportunity

01:43:50.731 --> 01:43:52.112
to make choices within the

01:43:52.131 --> 01:43:53.231
game that have an actual

01:43:53.271 --> 01:43:54.773
effect on the outcome of things.

01:43:56.292 --> 01:43:57.974
Later on in the game, yep.

01:43:58.054 --> 01:43:58.213
Yeah,

01:43:58.333 --> 01:44:01.635
I think that adds a nice element

01:44:01.675 --> 01:44:04.996
because there's value to

01:44:05.036 --> 01:44:07.015
your autonomy there, right?

01:44:07.216 --> 01:44:08.896
And I think that's

01:44:08.957 --> 01:44:10.577
definitely a cool... Our

01:44:10.617 --> 01:44:12.238
Cry was really good at that.

01:44:13.743 --> 01:44:15.863
Far Cry.

01:44:16.064 --> 01:44:18.086
I haven't played the last two Far Cries.

01:44:18.786 --> 01:44:19.185
Oh, no?

01:44:19.686 --> 01:44:20.426
Yeah, I wouldn't.

01:44:20.447 --> 01:44:21.967
Oh, okay.

01:44:22.247 --> 01:44:25.329
How do I say it?

01:44:25.369 --> 01:44:27.951
What they had in part three, I think,

01:44:28.351 --> 01:44:29.252
was perfect.

01:44:29.771 --> 01:44:31.252
But then with four and five,

01:44:31.292 --> 01:44:32.253
I think it's four and five,

01:44:33.524 --> 01:44:34.744
They kept adding more and

01:44:34.805 --> 01:44:36.345
more and more and more.

01:44:37.025 --> 01:44:37.987
And then you would spend

01:44:38.067 --> 01:44:40.828
hours trying to kill some

01:44:40.927 --> 01:44:42.168
animals that are hard to

01:44:42.208 --> 01:44:43.989
find just to be able to

01:44:44.069 --> 01:44:45.310
upgrade your equipment to

01:44:45.331 --> 01:44:46.291
where you needed to be to

01:44:46.310 --> 01:44:47.872
go into this last mission.

01:44:49.172 --> 01:44:50.953
And it got really bad like that.

01:44:50.993 --> 01:44:53.854
And then you could talk to animals.

01:44:53.935 --> 01:44:55.095
It got way too much.

01:44:55.997 --> 01:44:57.157
It got really weird.

01:44:57.476 --> 01:44:58.698
It just became way too much

01:44:58.717 --> 01:44:59.979
and overbearing to where...

01:45:01.342 --> 01:45:02.422
The story was good,

01:45:02.462 --> 01:45:03.724
but it wasn't enjoyable

01:45:03.764 --> 01:45:06.725
because of all the shit you had to do.

01:45:07.445 --> 01:45:07.845
Yeah.

01:45:08.365 --> 01:45:10.506
So you could skip the last couple.

01:45:10.527 --> 01:45:11.226
All right.

01:45:11.266 --> 01:45:12.787
Fair enough.

01:45:13.127 --> 01:45:14.688
The one I'm still playing right now,

01:45:14.728 --> 01:45:15.948
which I only play very

01:45:16.009 --> 01:45:17.048
sporadically because I

01:45:17.069 --> 01:45:18.909
don't have any fucking time anymore,

01:45:19.489 --> 01:45:21.230
is I've been playing Starfield.

01:45:21.990 --> 01:45:22.931
Okay.

01:45:23.011 --> 01:45:23.311
Yeah.

01:45:24.011 --> 01:45:24.311
Yeah.

01:45:24.412 --> 01:45:25.432
That's been a fun one.

01:45:25.773 --> 01:45:27.014
I love the sci-fi game.

01:45:27.613 --> 01:45:28.054
Yeah.

01:45:29.632 --> 01:45:31.494
Yeah, I mean, I love sci-fi in general,

01:45:31.515 --> 01:45:32.917
man, ever since I was a kid.

01:45:33.337 --> 01:45:34.238
Anything sci-fi.

01:45:35.000 --> 01:45:36.041
The first sci-fi game I

01:45:36.081 --> 01:45:36.942
actually ever really got

01:45:37.002 --> 01:45:38.704
into was a game called Freelancer.

01:45:39.085 --> 01:45:39.185
Okay.

01:45:39.244 --> 01:45:41.028
It was an old one.

01:45:41.047 --> 01:45:41.408
Okay, yeah.

01:45:44.412 --> 01:45:45.131
My father,

01:45:45.152 --> 01:45:46.212
this was back when I was in like

01:45:46.252 --> 01:45:46.733
middle school,

01:45:46.792 --> 01:45:47.792
my father was the one who

01:45:48.372 --> 01:45:49.472
basically bought the game

01:45:50.353 --> 01:45:51.194
because he was a police

01:45:51.314 --> 01:45:52.753
officer and he retired

01:45:53.253 --> 01:45:54.394
after twenty three years.

01:45:55.094 --> 01:45:57.555
And, you know, he had all this free time.

01:45:57.835 --> 01:45:58.755
So he was either, you know,

01:45:58.795 --> 01:46:02.036
bothering me at track practice or he was,

01:46:02.055 --> 01:46:03.555
you know, finding other stuff to do.

01:46:03.636 --> 01:46:04.895
So he started getting into video games.

01:46:04.916 --> 01:46:06.016
He started buying like nice

01:46:06.037 --> 01:46:07.197
systems and things like that.

01:46:08.057 --> 01:46:11.199
And he wasn't particularly tech savvy.

01:46:11.739 --> 01:46:14.240
So he'd have me play with him.

01:46:14.780 --> 01:46:16.202
And in this game, Freelancer,

01:46:16.242 --> 01:46:18.143
you're flying a spaceship around,

01:46:18.203 --> 01:46:21.765
you know, basically doing contract work.

01:46:22.704 --> 01:46:24.966
And he could never find the

01:46:25.006 --> 01:46:26.527
button for the missile or

01:46:26.546 --> 01:46:28.287
for the nanobots to repair the ship.

01:46:28.328 --> 01:46:30.389
So we'd be playing together

01:46:30.448 --> 01:46:31.649
and he'd be like, all right, nanobots,

01:46:31.668 --> 01:46:32.689
all right, hit the nanobot.

01:46:33.229 --> 01:46:34.130
Missile, we need the missile.

01:46:34.171 --> 01:46:34.390
Randy,

01:46:34.430 --> 01:46:36.171
you got some great bonding time with

01:46:36.190 --> 01:46:37.072
your father, you know?

01:46:37.131 --> 01:46:37.231
Yeah.

01:46:38.001 --> 01:46:39.381
So that was kind of a fun thing.

01:46:39.881 --> 01:46:43.483
And then I started playing it myself,

01:46:44.042 --> 01:46:47.003
and I was way better than him.

01:46:47.344 --> 01:46:48.904
But that was kind of what

01:46:48.944 --> 01:46:49.824
really got me started.

01:46:49.864 --> 01:46:50.645
That and XCOM.

01:46:51.126 --> 01:46:51.746
XCOM was dope.

01:46:51.805 --> 01:46:53.025
Oh, yeah.

01:46:53.127 --> 01:46:53.987
Yeah.

01:46:54.006 --> 01:46:55.226
The XCOM games were dope.

01:46:55.587 --> 01:46:55.887
All right.

01:46:56.787 --> 01:46:58.529
Nick, I'd love to continue all night,

01:46:58.548 --> 01:46:59.588
but let's bring it home.

01:47:02.045 --> 01:47:03.546
Let's give a fun one to the people.

01:47:03.746 --> 01:47:04.945
What are you reading or

01:47:04.985 --> 01:47:06.167
watching right now?

01:47:06.186 --> 01:47:06.926
I know you said you're

01:47:06.966 --> 01:47:07.966
reading something right now,

01:47:07.987 --> 01:47:09.427
but are you having time to

01:47:09.488 --> 01:47:13.328
actually sit down with the wife,

01:47:13.829 --> 01:47:14.810
watch some TV?

01:47:15.069 --> 01:47:18.051
What are you watching?

01:47:18.070 --> 01:47:19.511
We're watching the show

01:47:19.992 --> 01:47:22.372
on... It was a show that she found.

01:47:23.953 --> 01:47:25.073
I think it's called The Terror.

01:47:25.873 --> 01:47:27.875
I've heard of that.

01:47:28.055 --> 01:47:28.935
It's about this.

01:47:29.435 --> 01:47:30.036
I love...

01:47:32.384 --> 01:47:34.904
I nerd out with conspiracy

01:47:34.944 --> 01:47:35.805
theories a little bit.

01:47:36.225 --> 01:47:39.226
There's a comic book called

01:47:39.266 --> 01:47:40.667
The Department of Truth.

01:47:41.307 --> 01:47:41.688
What's that?

01:47:42.148 --> 01:47:43.429
The Department of Truth.

01:47:44.069 --> 01:47:44.488
What's that?

01:47:44.849 --> 01:47:45.630
It's a comic book.

01:47:45.750 --> 01:47:46.869
The Department of Truth.

01:47:47.210 --> 01:47:47.930
Yeah.

01:47:47.951 --> 01:47:49.171
If you love conspiracies,

01:47:49.771 --> 01:47:50.752
go pick up the trade

01:47:50.792 --> 01:47:53.512
paperback of one through

01:47:53.552 --> 01:47:55.094
five and give it a read.

01:47:55.113 --> 01:47:55.573
You'll love it.

01:47:56.015 --> 01:47:57.655
I'll check that out for sure.

01:47:59.136 --> 01:48:01.877
But yeah, so I like that stuff,

01:48:01.917 --> 01:48:02.938
not in a crazy way,

01:48:02.957 --> 01:48:04.918
but more in like some of

01:48:04.939 --> 01:48:06.779
this might be true way and some of this.

01:48:08.360 --> 01:48:12.743
And then this show is about

01:48:12.823 --> 01:48:14.724
this ship in like the,

01:48:14.743 --> 01:48:16.043
I think like the seventeen

01:48:16.085 --> 01:48:16.824
hundreds or something like

01:48:16.864 --> 01:48:18.386
that as they're crossing

01:48:18.405 --> 01:48:19.725
through the Arctic and they

01:48:19.765 --> 01:48:21.146
get stuck in the Arctic

01:48:21.627 --> 01:48:22.948
trying to find this pass

01:48:22.988 --> 01:48:24.207
and all this weird stuff

01:48:24.228 --> 01:48:24.969
starts happening.

01:48:26.136 --> 01:48:27.618
Um, so I love, and,

01:48:27.778 --> 01:48:31.881
and I've always been like, you know, I, I,

01:48:31.900 --> 01:48:32.981
I've gone down, you know,

01:48:33.002 --> 01:48:34.662
some rabbit holes with, uh,

01:48:35.304 --> 01:48:37.024
the polls and everything like that.

01:48:37.164 --> 01:48:38.166
And, you know, the,

01:48:38.225 --> 01:48:39.606
the research facilities and

01:48:40.927 --> 01:48:42.590
Antarctica and all that stuff.

01:48:42.670 --> 01:48:44.331
And, uh, that's it.

01:48:44.371 --> 01:48:45.351
So this was immediate.

01:48:45.972 --> 01:48:46.573
Immediately.

01:48:46.653 --> 01:48:49.154
I was like, all right, I'll, I'll,

01:48:49.175 --> 01:48:50.376
this one I'll watch with you.

01:48:50.395 --> 01:48:51.457
So we've been watching that

01:48:51.476 --> 01:48:52.297
and that's been fun.

01:48:52.478 --> 01:48:53.838
I like anything horror.

01:48:53.939 --> 01:48:54.920
Like I loved it.

01:48:55.587 --> 01:48:56.788
There are some cosmic horror

01:48:56.868 --> 01:48:58.090
elements to the book, too.

01:48:58.350 --> 01:48:59.371
I forgot to mention that,

01:48:59.390 --> 01:49:01.092
but you probably haven't

01:49:01.113 --> 01:49:04.335
come across that yet, but that's... CJ,

01:49:04.395 --> 01:49:07.278
who was on here earlier,

01:49:07.318 --> 01:49:08.358
giving you the shout-out on

01:49:08.377 --> 01:49:11.581
the seven-book deal, big horror guy.

01:49:11.600 --> 01:49:12.402
That's what he does.

01:49:12.421 --> 01:49:14.483
That's his neck of the woods,

01:49:14.622 --> 01:49:16.664
and I'll let him know, like, hey,

01:49:16.685 --> 01:49:17.926
you need to pick this up, too,

01:49:17.966 --> 01:49:18.787
because it's got horror

01:49:18.827 --> 01:49:20.228
elements mixed into it as well,

01:49:20.307 --> 01:49:21.849
especially on the sci-fi side.

01:49:22.328 --> 01:49:23.310
I love sci-fi horror.

01:49:23.729 --> 01:49:24.171
Aliens?

01:49:28.640 --> 01:49:30.201
The new Predator about to come out.

01:49:31.081 --> 01:49:31.962
It's going to be a good

01:49:32.002 --> 01:49:33.302
twenty twenty five for that

01:49:33.342 --> 01:49:33.983
kind of stuff.

01:49:36.585 --> 01:49:39.145
It's a good year for sci fi all over.

01:49:39.166 --> 01:49:39.846
It really is.

01:49:40.306 --> 01:49:41.448
So let's close it out, man.

01:49:41.547 --> 01:49:43.889
Tell everybody where they can find you at.

01:49:44.529 --> 01:49:45.090
Absolutely.

01:49:45.130 --> 01:49:46.131
How they can connect with you.

01:49:47.033 --> 01:49:49.354
So you can you can get the book on Amazon.

01:49:49.895 --> 01:49:51.577
The audio book is on Audible.

01:49:51.596 --> 01:49:52.676
It's called Vidalarium

01:49:52.716 --> 01:49:53.778
Descent into the Void.

01:49:54.438 --> 01:49:57.159
You can find me on my website, Vidalarium.

01:49:57.220 --> 01:50:02.722
That's V-I-T-A-L-E-R-I-U-M series dot com.

01:50:03.523 --> 01:50:05.203
That's where you can get the comic books,

01:50:05.783 --> 01:50:07.524
the limited edition books,

01:50:07.965 --> 01:50:10.367
any of the limited edition stuff, merch,

01:50:10.386 --> 01:50:10.527
etc.

01:50:11.247 --> 01:50:12.967
um I'm on social media

01:50:13.007 --> 01:50:13.988
basically every social

01:50:14.028 --> 01:50:16.548
media that exists um at

01:50:16.668 --> 01:50:18.548
vitalarium series and I

01:50:18.569 --> 01:50:19.810
have a patreon called

01:50:19.949 --> 01:50:21.229
inside vitalarium where

01:50:21.310 --> 01:50:22.590
once again you get inside

01:50:22.670 --> 01:50:23.751
access to the whole

01:50:24.190 --> 01:50:27.511
creation process um limited

01:50:27.551 --> 01:50:29.332
edition stuff you get early

01:50:29.431 --> 01:50:30.292
access to everything

01:50:30.353 --> 01:50:31.453
including the books and the

01:50:31.493 --> 01:50:34.833
comic books and uh yeah

01:50:34.873 --> 01:50:35.634
thank you everyone for

01:50:35.654 --> 01:50:38.135
their support sounds great so

01:50:39.417 --> 01:50:40.176
When you have a chance,

01:50:40.216 --> 01:50:41.717
if you could shoot me all that stuff,

01:50:41.738 --> 01:50:43.578
that way when I push this

01:50:43.658 --> 01:50:45.420
out to Spotify and then I

01:50:45.581 --> 01:50:47.662
put it out on YouTube again,

01:50:48.421 --> 01:50:49.342
if you can include all those,

01:50:49.363 --> 01:50:50.823
shoot me an email with those links in it,

01:50:50.963 --> 01:50:51.944
I will make sure all that's

01:50:51.984 --> 01:50:52.904
included and how they can

01:50:52.944 --> 01:50:54.286
find you on across everything.

01:50:55.225 --> 01:50:56.046
Yeah, absolutely.

01:50:57.207 --> 01:50:58.448
I'll make sure everybody has

01:50:58.528 --> 01:51:00.149
access to the link.

01:51:00.569 --> 01:51:01.529
But with that, everybody.

01:51:02.210 --> 01:51:03.229
We're going to close it out.

01:51:04.030 --> 01:51:05.610
If you came out and rocked

01:51:05.650 --> 01:51:06.431
with us for a little bit,

01:51:06.471 --> 01:51:07.671
we appreciate you stopping in.

01:51:07.712 --> 01:51:09.733
This show will go live next

01:51:09.912 --> 01:51:11.974
Wednesday on YouTube, Spotify,

01:51:12.014 --> 01:51:12.533
you name it.

01:51:13.135 --> 01:51:13.734
They'll get it.

01:51:13.755 --> 01:51:14.875
I'll have all the links that

01:51:14.954 --> 01:51:17.756
Nick just mentioned below

01:51:17.796 --> 01:51:20.318
the description on YouTube.

01:51:21.217 --> 01:51:23.639
As always, Nick,

01:51:23.838 --> 01:51:25.279
welcome to the Council of Nerds.

01:51:26.920 --> 01:51:30.561
Invitalarium is USDN approved.