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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to the Bible Guys, a podcast where a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun, in

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<v Speaker 1>practical ways. Good morning, good morning, we talked hown that through.

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<v Speaker 1>Good morning, good morning to you and you and you.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, I knew it.

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<v Speaker 1>You knew it.

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<v Speaker 2>I knew it because I saw you starting to lift

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<v Speaker 2>your hands. Well, recognize that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it. Hey. By the way, uh, you know I

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<v Speaker 1>I just talked to another couple and I was reminded

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<v Speaker 1>that most of our listeners are actually it's after working

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<v Speaker 1>that's actually yeah. Yet I've just started this thing where

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's good, it's good the evening.

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<v Speaker 2>Good evening.

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<v Speaker 1>But by the way, I said this, say to an

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<v Speaker 1>usher literally, uh, we came to what was it? Was

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<v Speaker 1>it a oh? It was yesterday at church. We actually

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<v Speaker 1>were talking about when I get up on the stage,

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<v Speaker 1>I say good morning. That's and some people criticize pastors

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<v Speaker 1>for doing that good morning, and every says good moie. Some

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<v Speaker 1>people who criticized church, they don't like that, but I

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<v Speaker 1>I've always done it.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know why because they're grumpy people.

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<v Speaker 1>But for thirty years that's what I've done. I just

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<v Speaker 1>I love hearing the people's feedback. It's the extrovert in

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<v Speaker 1>me so anyway, But we have a one o'clock service now,

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<v Speaker 1>and if I say good morning, people are like, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not morning. And if I say good afternoon, nobody responds

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<v Speaker 1>because nobody in our culture says good afternoon ever ever,

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<v Speaker 1>And nobody says good evening except for Dracula, good evening.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody says that either. Right, and so, but when I'm over,

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<v Speaker 1>when I'm over in the Dominica Good Days, when when

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<v Speaker 1>I was over in uh Dominican Republic, it's always uh

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<v Speaker 1>uh bun's dias. They say it all they use all three. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they do.

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<v Speaker 2>Bring it back.

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<v Speaker 1>Chris, what is that movie Good Days?

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<v Speaker 2>Wasn't it that it was a musical Scrooged or something?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh oh, oh, you're talking about that one. No, that's

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<v Speaker 1>good afternoon, Good afternoon. Yeah No, but there's an actual

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<v Speaker 1>one that says good day. So there's there's another one.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what it's from, Chattle. No, Chad text me.

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<v Speaker 2>Chen, Yeah he knows. All right, Okay, so here we go.

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<v Speaker 2>It's New Year's Eve. Yes, so this is a big one.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody's getting excited. It's football, yes, all this stuff. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a big night. And what's one thing you're proud of

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<v Speaker 2>or a memorable moment from twenty twenty five or something

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<v Speaker 2>that made this year special or stand out.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're going to do a draft paper scissors and

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<v Speaker 1>do a draft of three things.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, okay, okay, ready, paper scissors did yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>One, two, three?

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<v Speaker 2>Shoot? Oh I got beat you.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, very good?

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<v Speaker 2>I did paper he did yes.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'll go first, and I'm going to say that

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<v Speaker 1>I was very proud of in the summertime, as we

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<v Speaker 1>were approaching the fall, our family didn't have time to

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<v Speaker 1>take a vacation. We had we had zero time. And

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, that was largely my fault. I literally

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<v Speaker 1>scheduled twenty weddings. I said yesterday, I said yes to

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<v Speaker 1>every wedding. Wow, And so it messed up every opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>for us to do weddings. It was. It was ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 1>So what ended up happening was Liz is like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>can we do this? Hey the family, and I'm like nope,

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<v Speaker 1>And I messed I'm not kidding, I messed everything up.

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<v Speaker 2>So all those people happy, people happy to be a

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<v Speaker 2>part of the most important day of their life and.

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<v Speaker 1>I just kept on saying yes. Anyway. The point is

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<v Speaker 1>is that my family and I were like, what are

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<v Speaker 1>we going to do? And we they fought and scrounged

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<v Speaker 1>to find a date where my even my daughter flew

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<v Speaker 1>up from Florida and we found just a weekend to

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<v Speaker 1>go up north and it was only for like two

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<v Speaker 1>and a half days. We spent a ton of money,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was either that or nothing. But everybody chose

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<v Speaker 1>to make this happen even though it was only like

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<v Speaker 1>a day and a half. I'm not kidding, Like, we

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<v Speaker 1>are determined to spend time together.

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<v Speaker 2>That's awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a proud moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's a good moment. Yeah. I was going to say,

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<v Speaker 2>I think the thing I'm most proud of is within

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<v Speaker 2>what we do where we were pastors at Heritage Church.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>I love the fact that we saw eight hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>seventeen people make a public profession of faith for baptism

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<v Speaker 2>this year. Oh yeah, that's one of my proudest things

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<v Speaker 2>of twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah for sure. Wow, So you're going work related huh spiritual?

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<v Speaker 2>Well you went family Kingdom, Yeah, well you went family,

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<v Speaker 2>So I went work.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, all right, I'm gonna do fine. I was going

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about my shed in the backyard.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh do it. I'm proud of your shed.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'll be honest with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you build it? No, I had it put in there.

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<v Speaker 1>Turnkey bought it and they came and built it on site.

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<v Speaker 1>But I gotta be honest with you. We call it

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<v Speaker 1>a bar and it's really big. And but believe it

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<v Speaker 1>or not, it is a fundamental It goes deep, bro,

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<v Speaker 1>It goes deep. Let me tell you why. Because I've

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<v Speaker 1>been looking for a barn for ten years. We have

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<v Speaker 1>no basement. We're in a pre flood zone and I

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<v Speaker 1>have no basement, and so our garage is our basement.

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<v Speaker 1>And because our garage is our basement, are our cars

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<v Speaker 1>are outside the garage, which means like there's mud outside

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<v Speaker 1>of the car. So I literally built bricks papers on

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<v Speaker 1>each side of the driveway and spend thousands of dollars

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<v Speaker 1>just because I have no basement. Wow, And that means

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<v Speaker 1>that it seems like it's not connected, but it directly is.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like, I literally everything has been horrible, But

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<v Speaker 1>the only things that's been that's been horrible about my

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<v Speaker 1>house is I have no basement. So finally I just

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<v Speaker 1>said I'm getting this barn, and believe it or not,

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<v Speaker 1>it translates into so much relief in my house. So

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<v Speaker 1>it was a big deal.

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<v Speaker 2>Good for you. Yeah, thanks, fantastic and we relas we

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<v Speaker 2>love it. Congratulations. After how long have you lived in

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<v Speaker 2>that house?

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<v Speaker 1>Twenty years?

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty years?

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, yeah, it's deserving.

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<v Speaker 2>It's time. Yeah yeah. Yeah. So I was going to

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<v Speaker 2>say one of the things I'm proud of is my

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<v Speaker 2>daughter got engaged this year. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure,

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<v Speaker 2>a big deal. Yeah, she's going to get married next

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<v Speaker 2>May and hoping I can make it unless you want

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<v Speaker 2>to do it. Sounds like you love doing weddings.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's so funny. Well, guess what my third thing

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<v Speaker 1>was going to be My daughter got engaged this year? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Oka, wait wait was it was it this year? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Was it Easter? Yeah? It was easter, wasn't it?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? Yeah, because remember you had to scoot out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, that's right, that's right. Easter. Yeah, So my

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<v Speaker 1>daughter got engaged, and I can't have you say Jenny

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<v Speaker 1>got engaged without me saying to.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, you want to just put those in as bonuses,

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<v Speaker 2>So you want to do another one besides that, because

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<v Speaker 2>we're kind.

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<v Speaker 1>Of okay, all right, okay, uh, well, then I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to say that one of my other proud moments this

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<v Speaker 1>year was how my kids look out for one another.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's a specific example that I'm having in mind,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm not going to say it though, just because

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to embarrass my son. Uh embarrass him

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<v Speaker 1>in a good way, right because he because he stepped

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<v Speaker 1>up and shined in a way that made me so

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<v Speaker 1>unbelievably proud. And they look out for each other. And

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<v Speaker 1>I actually thought to myself, Wow, like that is unbelievable,

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<v Speaker 1>because when they were in junior high they fought like

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<v Speaker 1>cats and dogs. But now they're super close and it's

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<v Speaker 1>like thank God, right yeah, and so it's like as

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<v Speaker 1>a parent, you're like super proud.

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to talk about closeness a family also awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I was just gonna say this year was

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<v Speaker 2>a very memorable year because in the beginning of the year,

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<v Speaker 2>we lost my dad he was eighty seven, and then

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<v Speaker 2>here at the end we lost my brother, and a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of times, when you have that kind of stress

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<v Speaker 2>on a family, it pulls a family apart, right, so

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<v Speaker 2>to do two in one year, it can be really

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<v Speaker 2>really hard. But my mom and my brothers really leaned in,

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<v Speaker 2>and their wives really leaned in, and I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>we drew closer to each other, not further apart. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>during those things. So I'm very very proud of it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's great, man, that's really good. Well, Hey, those those

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<v Speaker 1>are definitely special moments.

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<v Speaker 2>Could our viewers see that bug walking across there? I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if you were watching. We had a bug

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<v Speaker 2>here and I just flicked it out into the room

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<v Speaker 2>and it dawned me. I shouldn't inflicted it into the room.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a box elder bug, is what it was.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's so funny. Yeah, it's probably living right, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you didn't kill it. Know what I was going to

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<v Speaker 1>say is those are very special moments, Jeff, not quite

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<v Speaker 1>as special as the Sermon on the mount.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and especially when Jesus taught us how to pray.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true, that is very true, But there's still a

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<v Speaker 1>special nonetheless.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. So Jesus said in the premise behind this

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<v Speaker 2>whole series, is that the beatitudes set up the framework

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<v Speaker 2>for much of what Jesus teaches us in the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of the Sermon on the Mount, he has all these

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<v Speaker 2>illustrations saying this is what I mean. And so this

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<v Speaker 2>week we're talking about how Jesus said, blessed are those

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<v Speaker 2>who are poor in spirit, and the New Living says,

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<v Speaker 2>blessed those who are poor and realize their need for Him.

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<v Speaker 2>And so today we're talking about how Jesus teaches us

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<v Speaker 2>our dependency on Him through prayer. And that's I think

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<v Speaker 2>a very significant thing. And for many of us, the

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<v Speaker 2>Lord's Prayer is something that we repeat in church. Yep right,

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<v Speaker 2>it's something that we just keep saying, we're at home

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<v Speaker 2>by wrote right, And it's way more than that. So

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<v Speaker 2>I think it reveals our need for God, and it

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<v Speaker 2>trains us to depend on God daily. So here's what

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<v Speaker 2>he says.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, can we start in verse five?

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<v Speaker 2>That's where I was going to start. Awesome, Yes, we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to go five through fifteen or five through fourteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Fifteen fifteen, He says, when you pray, don't be like

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<v Speaker 2>the hypocrites who love to pray publicly or on street

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<v Speaker 2>corners and in the synagogue where everyone can see them.

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<v Speaker 2>I tell you the truth, that's all the reward you

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<v Speaker 2>will ever get. But when you pray, go, will weigh

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<v Speaker 2>by yourself, shut the door behind you, and pray to

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<v Speaker 2>your father in private. Then your father, who sees everything,

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<v Speaker 2>will will reward you when you pray. Don't babble on

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<v Speaker 2>and on as the gentiles do. They think their prayers

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<v Speaker 2>are answered merely by repeating their words again and again.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't be like them, for your father knows exactly what

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<v Speaker 2>you need, even before you ask him. Pray like this,

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<v Speaker 2>our Father in heaven, May your name be kept holy,

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<v Speaker 2>we have forgiven those who sin against us. And don't

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<v Speaker 2>evil one. If you forgive those who sin against you,

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<v Speaker 2>your heavenly father will forgive you. But if you refuse

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<v Speaker 2>to forgive others, your father will not forgive your sins. Oooh,

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<v Speaker 2>that's strong.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And this whole thing is about praying and fasting,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's talking about you know again. Largely this is

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<v Speaker 1>This should be your attitude, This is this is a

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<v Speaker 1>the premise of saying, like, Okay, this is the prayer

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<v Speaker 1>And then it was always reciting, and it was always

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<v Speaker 1>good with God. And this prayer was you know, referred

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<v Speaker 1>to as like okay, say ten of these right, And

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<v Speaker 1>and I honestly believe it saying say ten our fathers, yeah, see,

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<v Speaker 1>or hail Mary's or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>And the thing is, I don't believe that if you

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<v Speaker 1>Scripture is not a bad thing, right, just as long

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<v Speaker 1>as we don't misinterpret the purpose in which it's given.

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<v Speaker 1>or in paying penance. You know, it's like it's like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>if only say nine, it's not enough. It's like that

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that there's any spiritual impact for saying

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<v Speaker 2>ten of them. No, I don't even know that I

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<v Speaker 2>behind it, that's right, right, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And the reason why we believe that this is a

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<v Speaker 1>he says it, only he says it slightly differently. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So if it was something to be recited, you would say, well, Jesus,

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? It's like, come on, quote it right.

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<v Speaker 1>Want, Jesus, what the heck you missed?

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<v Speaker 2>The part you know you miss is where he quotes it.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like, so it's written differently, and and so

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<v Speaker 1>a you know, a carefully recited worded prayer. It is.

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<v Speaker 1>It is the reason why Jesus said pray like this.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't say pray this. And if it was something

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<v Speaker 1>but he didn't say that. He said pray like this

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. In Luke eleven he says, this is how you

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<v Speaker 1>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>And then here's what he says, Father, may your name

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<v Speaker 2>be kept holy. That's different a little bit. It's the

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<v Speaker 2>same idea mayor kingdom comes soon. That's as opposed to over.

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<v Speaker 2>on earth as it is in heaven. He doesn't say that, right.

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<v Speaker 2>In Luke eleven, he says, give us each day the

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<v Speaker 2>food we need. He says that there in Matthew, in

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<v Speaker 2>Matthew chapter six. And then he says, and forgive us

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<v Speaker 2>our sins as we forgive those who sin against us.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the same.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the same. And then he says, and don't let

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<v Speaker 2>us yield the temptation. That's the end of it, right.

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<v Speaker 1>And then in this one he says, but rescue us

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. So it's it's the idea. Either Luke or

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<v Speaker 2>when he says this is how you should pray. Don't

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<v Speaker 2>pray this, that's not what he says. But he says

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<v Speaker 2>Matthew chapter six, he says, pray like this, right, and

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<v Speaker 2>so this is how you know I love We always

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<v Speaker 2>say this. The Bible is its own best commentary.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>So if this was a prescription, pray ten of these

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<v Speaker 2>and all your wildes streams are going to come true, right, then, boy,

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<v Speaker 2>you better recite it exactly the right way.

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<v Speaker 1>You better know it.

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<v Speaker 2>And then and then, since none of us speak Greek,

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<v Speaker 2>coin a Greek, well we really be in trouble because

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<v Speaker 2>we're trying to do it from English. And which would

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<v Speaker 2>that be? Would that be English from the sixteen eleven, right,

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<v Speaker 2>or would that be English from the eighteen hundred? Because

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<v Speaker 2>everybody English from that, I guarantee.

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<v Speaker 1>You everybody knows. Everybody knows the King, James Father. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and and and uh and again that's even just a translation,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just an outdated translation from normal speech, right, because

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<v Speaker 1>nobody says thy anymore. But but that's how we know it.

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<v Speaker 1>So when we recite it, that's how we recite it.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh and the funny thing is, you know again

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<v Speaker 1>Bible Guys at least twice. But when he says how

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<v Speaker 1>would be thy name? He means great as your name?

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<v Speaker 1>And and and Andy I remember proposed the idea of

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<v Speaker 1>acknowledging God's greatness at the beginning, because he says, because

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus probably knew that our propensity was to go directly

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<v Speaker 1>to our needs, wants and wishes. Because two days ago

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<v Speaker 1>you said, if we if we took prayer request in

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<v Speaker 1>the auditorium, a lot of it would be needs, wants

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<v Speaker 1>and wishes. That's right, And uh, Any says, but if

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<v Speaker 1>you take time at the beginning of your prayer to

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<v Speaker 1>just realize just who it is you're talking to, then

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<v Speaker 1>by the time you get your needs, wants and wishes,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe you'll feel a lot more better about everything that

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<v Speaker 1>you request. You know, you're just you'll feel less anxiety

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<v Speaker 1>about everything that you're wanting God to take care of

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<v Speaker 1>because if you spend time acknowledging who He is and

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<v Speaker 1>who you're not, then that right size is our perspective.

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<v Speaker 1>And again it's it couples, you know, very nicely with

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<v Speaker 1>Blessed are those who are poor in spirit who acknowledge

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<v Speaker 2>So he's really driving home this idea that we're not God.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what this phrase is, right right, I'm not God.

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<v Speaker 2>You are. And when I begin to really be convinced

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<v Speaker 2>of that that I do not have the ability to

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<v Speaker 2>solve every problem in front of me. I don't have

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<v Speaker 2>the ability to forgive my own sins. I don't have

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<v Speaker 2>the ability to provide everything necessary for my life. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't have the ability to fight temptation by myself. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't have they not the most devastating temptations, those massive

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<v Speaker 2>hurts or habits or hang ups that we all need

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<v Speaker 2>to recover from. It's just not possible. I don't have

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<v Speaker 2>the ability to forgive the way that I should forgive,

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<v Speaker 2>let alone to be forgiven myself right, And so I'm

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<v Speaker 2>desperate for God in all of these things. So when

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<v Speaker 2>I put God in his right place, that automatically puts

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<v Speaker 2>me in my right place. It puts me in the

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<v Speaker 2>right frame of mind. It reminds me that I'm desperate

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<v Speaker 2>for him, that I need him. And so there's a

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<v Speaker 2>really good statement here. Life application study Bible in the

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<v Speaker 2>Luke passage Luke chapter eleven says, notice the order in

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus praised God and then he made his requests. Praising

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<v Speaker 2>to tell him about our needs. Too often our prayers

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<v Speaker 2>are more like shopping lists than conversations. And so maybe

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<v Speaker 2>one of the best disciplines you can learn today tomorrow,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe in the new year, spend a little bit more

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<v Speaker 2>time reading in the Book of Psalms, make notes about

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<v Speaker 2>when David talks about God, right, and then talk about

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<v Speaker 2>talk to God like David did. The Bible says David

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<v Speaker 2>was a man after God's own heart. And David will say, God,

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<v Speaker 2>you created everything. Without you, nothing can be created. God,

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<v Speaker 2>You're like a shepherd, and I don't know where to

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<v Speaker 2>go without you. God, You're a mighty warrior, and you

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<v Speaker 2>go before me and you fight for me. Right, if

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<v Speaker 2>you could start acknowledging who God is, start every one

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<v Speaker 2>of your prayers. That way, it'll start to convince you

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<v Speaker 2>which is what the first beatitude tells us, right is,

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<v Speaker 2>blessed are those who are poor in spirit. The more

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<v Speaker 2>And so that I think for twenty twenty six could

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<v Speaker 2>lot of our listeners, go start reading through the Book

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<v Speaker 2>of Psalms. My dad used to read what was it,

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<v Speaker 2>there's one hundred and fifty Psalms. He'd read like I

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<v Speaker 2>he tried to get through the Book of Psalms a

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<v Speaker 2>couple times a year. And it's because he felt like there.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, David was a warrior, but he's also a poet.

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<v Speaker 2>There's something that's both on the masculine side of how

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<v Speaker 2>he writes, and then also on the art side, this

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<v Speaker 2>a different kind of way, and particularly in how to

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<v Speaker 2>know God. And so if that's what you do, just

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<v Speaker 2>cruise through the Book of Psalms and find out how

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<v Speaker 2>David prayed. If David was a man after God's own heart,

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<v Speaker 2>he says, blessed are those who are poor in spirit

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<v Speaker 2>it makes sense that we could learn a lot from him.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that the first verses leading up to

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<v Speaker 1>this Lord's Prayer and Matthew six, it's a it's a

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<v Speaker 1>You know, he couldn't just say God. He had to

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<v Speaker 1>throw out six names for God before he moved on,

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<v Speaker 1>before his next sentence. You know. It was it was

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<v Speaker 1>all those things and he just pontificated. And now, don't

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<v Speaker 1>just think he learned some bad habits. I think I

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<v Speaker 1>and then maybe he did it one day and somebody praised,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, you pray so eloquently, or whatever it is.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think he had a bad heart, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>just that we all used to make fun of him

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<v Speaker 1>because were teenagers, and we were like, oh, here it comes,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and he's gonna seloquent, you know, Shakespeare, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we just made fun of them all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>But I do think that there are some bad habits there.

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<v Speaker 1>And part of the bad habits is people looking at

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<v Speaker 1>the performance piece of that and it's like God doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>hear you if you know, if you wax eloquently. That's

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<v Speaker 1>why he says like, no, no, God already knows everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Just express it, you know, just just just go to

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<v Speaker 1>God and prayer and express. And when you pray, don't

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<v Speaker 1>do it publicly on the street corners like the Pharisees

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes do, because again they do it for performance sake,

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<v Speaker 1>and you have to do it, you know, silently, and

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<v Speaker 1>God will reward you openly. So make sure that prayers

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<v Speaker 1>are you and God thing. Yeah right, Although that doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>mean you can't pray corporately or publicly.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh. No, public prayers all throughout the Bible, yeah right.

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<v Speaker 2>Even Jesus prayed out loud several times in front of

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<v Speaker 2>the people.

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<v Speaker 1>We used to have this thing in the youth group

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<v Speaker 1>called see at the poll, remember that, And we go

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<v Speaker 1>and gather around at public flag poles and public schools,

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<v Speaker 1>and I remember, uh, you know, you just get the

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<v Speaker 1>mix of everybody there. And I remember this girl. She

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<v Speaker 1>just loved to have people talk about her prayers. And

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<v Speaker 1>she used to pray daddy and she used to say daddy,

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<v Speaker 1>and she kept on saying it over and over again,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and just talking impersonally. And I'm like, you

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<v Speaker 1>know those sound like private things, you know, like go

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<v Speaker 1>home and pray those things privately. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, Well, I think that this is really the intent

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<v Speaker 2>behind what Jesus saying. He said, don't don't always be

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<v Speaker 2>looking for opportunities to pray out in public. I think

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<v Speaker 2>most Christians the majority of their prayers are public prayers. Yes, right,

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<v Speaker 2>we pray in a Bible study. Yeah, we pray for

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<v Speaker 2>you know, thank the Lord for the food. You don't

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<v Speaker 2>think most I think most Christians don't pray much.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's basically the assumption that you don't think they

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<v Speaker 1>pray every day.

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<v Speaker 2>Most Christians say that they don't pray very much. Oh wow, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess you got to remind mer.

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<v Speaker 2>So, So I pray with my I pray with my

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<v Speaker 2>kids out loud, I pray at the dinner table out loud.

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<v Speaker 2>I pray occasionally in a Bible study out loud. And

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<v Speaker 2>for most Christians that's the extent of their prayers, right.

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<v Speaker 2>And what God is saying is, hey, the public things

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus prayed out loud, So that's not an issue. The

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<v Speaker 2>issue is, I think what he's saying is what I

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<v Speaker 2>want is a private relationship with you, not just this

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<v Speaker 2>public performance. If it's just a public performance, that doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>mean that much to me, because I don't mean enough

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<v Speaker 2>to you that you come to me privately. So I

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<v Speaker 2>have my public statements about my wife, I love my wife, whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>but the most intimate things in our relationship are not public.

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<v Speaker 2>And so God's.

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<v Speaker 1>Inviting us and everybody's thankful for.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, God's inviting us into an intimacy with him, a

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<v Speaker 2>connection or a deep soul leveled dependence and connection on

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<v Speaker 2>him that can't be experienced just publicly praying, even if

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<v Speaker 2>it's not a performance, that's a temptation. Even if it's

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<v Speaker 2>not a performance, it's just something that we do. And

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<v Speaker 2>when you say performance, for many of us, even saying

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<v Speaker 2>grace is a performance, right, not you know, to be

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<v Speaker 2>or not to be that's the question kind of performance,

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<v Speaker 2>but rather just it's performative. We do it because that's

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<v Speaker 2>what we always do, right, And that's what he's trying

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<v Speaker 2>to get us away from through this entire sermon on

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<v Speaker 2>the Mount, he's pulling us away from religion and into

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<v Speaker 2>a relationship with him that changes how we live.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's great, and that we'd intimacy that comparison with

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<v Speaker 1>the wife in private, that's perfect because it's it sort

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<v Speaker 1>of summarizes exactly what it meant about that girl. I

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't making fun of her, No, I was saying sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like that should be something private.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Bible says call him Abba father, but that's right. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>So all right, Hey, that looks like our time. Great

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<v Speaker 1>discussion and hopefully we'll see tomorrow on the Bible. Guys,