WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:00.228 --> 00:00:00.528 Alan: Cool. 00:00:00.748 --> 00:00:01.328 All right, we're 00:00:01.328 --> 00:00:01.987 hear what's 00:00:02.007 --> 00:00:02.178 what's 00:00:02.178 --> 00:00:02.478 new. 00:00:03.180 --> 00:00:04.440 Mario: So what's new. 00:00:04.450 --> 00:00:06.220 Let's see, let me look at my notes 00:00:06.220 --> 00:00:06.790 here. 00:00:07.099 --> 00:00:11.329 So the issue with remote controlled recording was resolved 00:00:11.567 --> 00:00:12.317 Alan: the big one, right? 00:00:12.317 --> 00:00:12.527 Yeah. 00:00:12.889 --> 00:00:13.369 Mario: Yeah. 00:00:14.659 --> 00:00:18.259 Well, recording was never broken itself. 00:00:18.259 --> 00:00:18.499 Alan: wasn't 00:00:18.499 --> 00:00:19.249 auto starting. 00:00:19.249 --> 00:00:19.519 Right. 00:00:19.572 --> 00:00:19.962 Mario: Yeah. 00:00:19.962 --> 00:00:24.582 So it wasn't really working properly with some of the changes that I introduced. 00:00:24.645 --> 00:00:28.035 The reason I was asking you earlier, if you could see the record button 00:00:28.035 --> 00:00:31.935 is because there's an new setting now at the podcast level where 00:00:31.935 --> 00:00:36.505 the host has full control of recording for everyone in the session. 00:00:36.985 --> 00:00:42.085 So if, if you turn that feature on, then only the host has the record button. 00:00:42.085 --> 00:00:44.485 When the host clicks record, then everyone 00:00:44.485 --> 00:00:47.018 starts recording automatically locally. 00:00:46.998 --> 00:00:50.559 Alan: So yeah, effectively you can buy that being the the controller 00:00:50.559 --> 00:00:52.749 of the podcast, you have the recording, you're like, okay, 00:00:52.749 --> 00:00:53.889 we're going to start recording now. 00:00:54.129 --> 00:00:54.759 It, and that's it. 00:00:54.759 --> 00:00:55.299 And no one has to, 00:00:55.409 --> 00:00:55.959 then that's nice. 00:00:56.191 --> 00:00:56.461 Mario: yeah, 00:00:56.559 --> 00:00:58.359 Alan: That that's probably better than the 00:00:58.419 --> 00:00:59.289 auto recording 00:00:59.289 --> 00:00:59.589 idea. 00:00:59.619 --> 00:00:59.979 Right. 00:01:00.279 --> 00:01:02.139 So rather than it being like 00:01:02.139 --> 00:01:03.939 dropping everybody into auto recording, it's actually 00:01:03.939 --> 00:01:07.299 just controlled and you can effectively introduce it and make sure everybody's 00:01:07.299 --> 00:01:08.079 happy And then 00:01:08.109 --> 00:01:08.589 kick it off. 00:01:08.589 --> 00:01:08.829 Right. 00:01:09.001 --> 00:01:09.301 Mario: Yeah. 00:01:09.361 --> 00:01:10.051 exactly. 00:01:10.261 --> 00:01:13.381 And the option to auto start recording is still there. 00:01:13.381 --> 00:01:15.361 It's just in case someone wants that. 00:01:15.631 --> 00:01:18.541 So, so that that's still there, but it's, you know, you can 00:01:18.541 --> 00:01:19.861 turn it on and you turn it off. 00:01:19.921 --> 00:01:22.771 if you don't like it at the podcast level. 00:01:22.922 --> 00:01:25.772 what happened was when I introduced that new feature 00:01:25.802 --> 00:01:30.262 with a remote control recording all of a sudden the actual remote 00:01:30.262 --> 00:01:31.612 controlled recording wasn't 00:01:31.612 --> 00:01:32.703 working the, 00:01:33.363 --> 00:01:37.735 it seemed like the message wasn't getting across, you know, to the other browsers 00:01:37.793 --> 00:01:40.313 Alan: wasn't getting the message to, to start recording, right? 00:01:41.183 --> 00:01:41.243 Yeah. 00:01:41.243 --> 00:01:41.633 Mario: Yeah. 00:01:41.663 --> 00:01:44.813 And so the, we, our thing was that it was working. 00:01:45.125 --> 00:01:46.985 On my development environment, and it 00:01:46.985 --> 00:01:49.775 was working on the staging environment, 00:01:49.817 --> 00:01:50.777 Alan: And who was working on that. 00:01:50.777 --> 00:01:53.567 So you set it up and staging was just working and you're 00:01:53.567 --> 00:01:54.377 like, what the hell? 00:01:54.554 --> 00:01:59.066 Mario: yeah, So but wasn't working in production, which is when I 00:01:59.066 --> 00:02:04.167 inadvertently broke remote recording in effect because it was working locally. 00:02:04.167 --> 00:02:04.707 It was fine. 00:02:04.707 --> 00:02:07.587 So I didn't know I was pushing something that was not going to work 00:02:07.587 --> 00:02:10.707 in production, so I didn't have a staging environment at the time. 00:02:10.737 --> 00:02:14.517 So this kind of forced me to set up a staging environment. 00:02:14.517 --> 00:02:18.837 That's, you know, identically replicates the production environment And I pushed it 00:02:18.837 --> 00:02:21.147 to staging and it worked to there as well. 00:02:22.027 --> 00:02:25.197 And I was like, man, what the heck is going on? 00:02:25.197 --> 00:02:31.074 So long story short, I did a lot of debugging and logging and troubleshooting. 00:02:31.074 --> 00:02:36.130 And it took forever, but finally narrowed it down to something in the bill. 00:02:36.140 --> 00:02:40.450 So the fact that it was working in, in my local environment and staging 00:02:40.479 --> 00:02:44.979 and not in production, it kind of pointed to the build process 00:02:44.979 --> 00:02:46.479 because the only difference 00:02:46.479 --> 00:02:50.859 between those three environments was that the code for production gets minified 00:02:50.889 --> 00:02:53.709 and mangled, you know, JavaScript gets mangled. 00:02:53.709 --> 00:02:57.069 So something in that built process for production 00:02:57.069 --> 00:02:59.192 was affecting my code somehow. 00:02:59.192 --> 00:02:59.882 so. 00:03:00.240 --> 00:03:02.670 Alan: of it was working like the rest of the interface was working. 00:03:02.670 --> 00:03:03.780 It was just that 00:03:03.780 --> 00:03:04.110 part. 00:03:04.110 --> 00:03:04.410 Right. 00:03:04.410 --> 00:03:05.640 Mario: It was just that one, 00:03:05.827 --> 00:03:08.347 Alan: It's like, if your UI doesn't work at all, you're 00:03:08.347 --> 00:03:09.127 like, all right, we've got a 00:03:09.127 --> 00:03:09.787 JavaScript problem. 00:03:09.787 --> 00:03:09.967 right. 00:03:09.967 --> 00:03:10.567 But just that 00:03:10.657 --> 00:03:10.837 little 00:03:10.837 --> 00:03:11.227 bit, right. 00:03:11.227 --> 00:03:11.647 Mario: Yeah. 00:03:11.707 --> 00:03:12.127 Yeah. 00:03:12.127 --> 00:03:15.654 so after a lot of debugging I finally found the part of the 00:03:15.654 --> 00:03:17.499 code that was causing the problem. 00:03:17.509 --> 00:03:21.586 So interestingly enough, I had a, method that was relying. 00:03:21.601 --> 00:03:27.501 It was attempting to determine the name of the class of a JavaScript object. 00:03:27.578 --> 00:03:31.489 And in doing that, it was relying On a statement that does 00:03:31.613 --> 00:03:34.753 object.constructor.name, basically. 00:03:34.753 --> 00:03:37.800 So it pulls the name of the constructor, which 00:03:37.800 --> 00:03:40.109 is theoretically the name of the class. 00:03:40.172 --> 00:03:41.242 And it works in. 00:03:42.057 --> 00:03:44.697 And when, well, it gets mangled. 00:03:44.997 --> 00:03:45.507 So 00:03:45.655 --> 00:03:45.925 Alan: Right. 00:03:45.955 --> 00:03:46.465 Yeah, yeah, yeah, 00:03:46.587 --> 00:03:46.917 Mario: gated. 00:03:46.947 --> 00:03:47.277 yeah. 00:03:47.277 --> 00:03:48.597 It gets office gated. 00:03:48.627 --> 00:03:53.060 And so it changes the name arbitrarily every time it builds for 00:03:53.060 --> 00:03:55.241 production, it was, mangling that. 00:03:55.257 --> 00:03:59.951 and so it was changing to like a single letter, you know, T or F or whatever, 00:04:00.888 --> 00:04:01.098 Alan: yep. 00:04:01.128 --> 00:04:01.338 Yeah, of 00:04:01.338 --> 00:04:01.638 course. 00:04:01.781 --> 00:04:02.441 Mario: every time. 00:04:02.441 --> 00:04:05.291 So, the lesson here is not to rely 00:04:05.291 --> 00:04:06.731 on constructor dot name. 00:04:06.941 --> 00:04:08.261 And subsequently I 00:04:08.261 --> 00:04:10.901 found all these warnings, people have posted on stack 00:04:10.901 --> 00:04:11.381 overflow. 00:04:11.381 --> 00:04:14.411 Don't do this because it'll, you know, it'll, 00:04:14.450 --> 00:04:16.100 It'll change it arbitrarily when your 00:04:16.100 --> 00:04:17.300 code gets office gated. 00:04:17.434 --> 00:04:19.444 a little too late for me yet for spending 00:04:19.444 --> 00:04:20.284 so much time. 00:04:20.314 --> 00:04:21.472 But that was the 00:04:21.472 --> 00:04:21.892 reason 00:04:21.970 --> 00:04:23.260 Alan: won't make that mistake again though. 00:04:23.290 --> 00:04:23.620 That's For 00:04:23.620 --> 00:04:23.860 shit. 00:04:24.370 --> 00:04:25.360 You've learned it the hard way. 00:04:25.792 --> 00:04:26.512 Mario: For sure. 00:04:27.242 --> 00:04:29.339 Yeah, but it made sense after the 00:04:29.339 --> 00:04:30.839 fact why it wasn't working in 00:04:30.839 --> 00:04:33.359 production and it was working everywhere else. 00:04:33.354 --> 00:04:37.133 Because it was only for production that it was getting obfuscated, 00:04:37.153 --> 00:04:38.623 therefore changing the name 00:04:38.642 --> 00:04:38.732 Alan: that 00:04:38.732 --> 00:04:39.812 w wouldn't even like, 00:04:39.812 --> 00:04:41.552 It wouldn't even cause like a JavaScript error because 00:04:41.552 --> 00:04:42.542 it's still valid. 00:04:42.542 --> 00:04:46.112 JavaScript is just the wrong method or the wrong object. 00:04:46.112 --> 00:04:46.682 It's trying to call it. 00:04:46.682 --> 00:04:46.892 Right. 00:04:46.892 --> 00:04:47.072 So 00:04:47.825 --> 00:04:48.635 Mario: Exactly. 00:04:48.635 --> 00:04:48.815 And 00:04:48.932 --> 00:04:50.222 Alan: It's not just like invalidated 00:04:50.222 --> 00:04:50.342 mode. 00:04:50.342 --> 00:04:51.122 It's just not there. 00:04:51.122 --> 00:04:51.392 So it's 00:04:51.392 --> 00:04:51.692 like, oh, 00:04:51.825 --> 00:04:53.035 Mario: it is just not there. 00:04:53.035 --> 00:04:53.715 There's no error. 00:04:53.715 --> 00:04:53.985 And that's 00:04:53.985 --> 00:04:57.755 why I never got any error because the real problem was I had a conditional 00:04:57.755 --> 00:04:59.317 statement that said, if this 00:04:59.317 --> 00:05:01.417 object equals this class 00:05:01.417 --> 00:05:03.443 name right, then do this. 00:05:03.475 --> 00:05:06.625 And so it was never that class name because it was obfuscated. 00:05:06.743 --> 00:05:06.925 Alan: that's 00:05:06.925 --> 00:05:07.315 Mario: So. 00:05:07.493 --> 00:05:09.653 Alan: It's just getting silently eaten because it's not 00:05:09.653 --> 00:05:10.013 an error. 00:05:10.073 --> 00:05:11.093 It's just not there. 00:05:11.215 --> 00:05:11.725 Mario: an error. 00:05:11.905 --> 00:05:12.445 Yeah. 00:05:12.481 --> 00:05:14.101 when I finally fixed it, I was 00:05:14.104 --> 00:05:14.807 it felt great. 00:05:15.503 --> 00:05:17.063 so that was that, and that 00:05:17.063 --> 00:05:17.353 was the 00:05:17.740 --> 00:05:18.610 Alan: massive relief. 00:05:19.479 --> 00:05:19.959 Mario: Yeah. 00:05:19.989 --> 00:05:22.119 So now, now this feature works really well. 00:05:22.119 --> 00:05:23.019 Now the host can 00:05:23.019 --> 00:05:25.373 control everyone's recording status. 00:05:25.395 --> 00:05:27.465 And everyone gets a message though, you know? 00:05:27.465 --> 00:05:32.865 So when the host initiates recording, everyone gets a little message that pops 00:05:32.865 --> 00:05:35.235 up and lets them know what's going on. 00:05:35.313 --> 00:05:35.853 Let's see. 00:05:35.853 --> 00:05:37.023 Then the next thing that. 00:05:37.023 --> 00:05:37.113 I 00:05:37.113 --> 00:05:37.513 worked. 00:05:37.600 --> 00:05:39.032 Yeah, let's see. 00:05:39.032 --> 00:05:41.869 The other thing I did was scheduled sessions. 00:05:41.899 --> 00:05:45.289 Now show info if the link is accessed too early. 00:05:45.349 --> 00:05:47.659 And I think that was your suggestion. 00:05:47.692 --> 00:05:51.143 A while back you suggested, well, if the session is scheduled 00:05:51.143 --> 00:05:52.516 and they followed the link. 00:05:52.549 --> 00:05:54.799 There was nothing telling them anything about the session. 00:05:54.799 --> 00:05:58.269 It was just, you know, acting normally showing you the button to 00:05:58.269 --> 00:06:00.849 join and enter your name and join. 00:06:00.849 --> 00:06:02.409 So now a scheduled 00:06:02.409 --> 00:06:06.482 session when they access it early, it basically says, this session is 00:06:06.482 --> 00:06:09.168 scheduled for such and such date and time. 00:06:09.195 --> 00:06:09.795 And then 00:06:09.775 --> 00:06:11.676 it has a little explanation there that 00:06:11.676 --> 00:06:15.520 says it all happened automatically, so no need to refresh the page. 00:06:15.623 --> 00:06:15.983 Alan: Nice. 00:06:16.283 --> 00:06:20.353 and so because, and That the URL is like obvious skated anyway, using hashtag. 00:06:20.633 --> 00:06:23.873 So it's not like any old stumble across it so, Yeah. 00:06:24.293 --> 00:06:25.043 Nice, cool. 00:06:25.223 --> 00:06:25.433 That's a 00:06:25.433 --> 00:06:25.553 good 00:06:25.780 --> 00:06:26.140 Mario: Yeah. 00:06:26.260 --> 00:06:26.590 Yeah. 00:06:26.590 --> 00:06:28.210 So thank you for that suggestion, 00:06:28.373 --> 00:06:28.583 Alan: Oh yeah. 00:06:28.763 --> 00:06:29.273 That was my idea. 00:06:29.273 --> 00:06:30.083 So it was a great idea that 00:06:31.030 --> 00:06:31.120 Mario: that 00:06:31.120 --> 00:06:31.540 was great. 00:06:31.540 --> 00:06:31.720 Yeah, 00:06:33.010 --> 00:06:33.430 yeah. 00:06:33.550 --> 00:06:33.850 Yeah. 00:06:33.880 --> 00:06:35.680 So that's, that's in now. 00:06:35.744 --> 00:06:35.894 You 00:06:35.894 --> 00:06:37.124 probably didn't see it this time 00:06:37.124 --> 00:06:39.884 because the scheduled time was like a 00:06:39.884 --> 00:06:40.604 minute later 00:06:40.604 --> 00:06:40.724 or 00:06:40.957 --> 00:06:41.227 Alan: Yeah. 00:06:41.227 --> 00:06:41.407 Yeah. 00:06:41.437 --> 00:06:41.827 Right, right. 00:06:42.037 --> 00:06:44.737 So do you, does that kick in like five minutes, 10 minutes, 00:06:45.097 --> 00:06:46.717 some period before or at the 00:06:46.804 --> 00:06:48.334 Mario: Oh yes, yes. 00:06:48.334 --> 00:06:48.604 Sorry. 00:06:48.604 --> 00:06:49.504 I forgot to mention that. 00:06:49.504 --> 00:06:51.544 So let's say a schedule is 00:06:51.664 --> 00:06:59.165 scheduled for 3:00 PM or 1500 Then it will enable the ability to request to 00:06:59.165 --> 00:07:01.025 join five minutes before. 00:07:01.025 --> 00:07:03.826 So at 2 55 or, you know what is that? 00:07:03.826 --> 00:07:05.326 1,455. 00:07:05.423 --> 00:07:05.723 Alan: Yeah. 00:07:05.770 --> 00:07:06.640 Don't start with that yeah. 00:07:06.661 --> 00:07:07.361 I've been having 00:07:07.361 --> 00:07:08.441 time zones fun myself. 00:07:08.441 --> 00:07:12.521 So I also have the things so like, yeah, I mean, I'm 00:07:12.611 --> 00:07:16.638 so used to, I guess 2,400 clock in Japan uses, 00:07:16.662 --> 00:07:21.522 Solely like 24 hour clock, even weirdly Japan uses 30 hour clock. 00:07:21.596 --> 00:07:28.196 In most cases for like retail and for times that you see a time they use 00:07:28.196 --> 00:07:29.936 the 30 hour clock, which is, is an 00:07:29.936 --> 00:07:30.416 interesting one. 00:07:30.439 --> 00:07:34.051 Basically it ends, it ends at 6:00 AM the next day, which 00:07:34.051 --> 00:07:35.641 means that if like a bar is 00:07:35.641 --> 00:07:40.501 open or a shop or something, it , it closes at 1:00 AM it closed at 2,500. 00:07:40.540 --> 00:07:44.710 And so by default, that ends at 6:00 AM. 00:07:44.740 --> 00:07:45.640 So that will then 00:07:45.640 --> 00:07:48.160 roll roll over, you know, because you, you don't close at 00:07:48.160 --> 00:07:49.150 seven o'clock in the morning. 00:07:49.180 --> 00:07:51.580 If you're going to close overnight, it'll be like 00:07:51.580 --> 00:07:53.530 three, four o'clock or whatever. 00:07:53.530 --> 00:07:58.150 So for T train times for shops, for bars, restaurants, that kind 00:07:58.150 --> 00:08:00.866 of thing, they always use 30 hour clock, which is it's weird. 00:08:00.866 --> 00:08:02.486 The first time you see it, like that's wrong. 00:08:02.516 --> 00:08:03.236 That's ridiculous. 00:08:03.236 --> 00:08:04.226 It should just say one. 00:08:04.226 --> 00:08:07.886 And then once you get used to it, you're like this that's such a good idea. 00:08:08.696 --> 00:08:14.546 It's so clear when something says it's open from, you know, 2000 till 24, 26, 27. 00:08:14.546 --> 00:08:14.666 You're 00:08:14.666 --> 00:08:15.116 like, all right. 00:08:15.176 --> 00:08:15.326 Yeah, 00:08:15.326 --> 00:08:15.476 that 00:08:15.476 --> 00:08:15.926 makes sense. 00:08:16.253 --> 00:08:17.663 Mario: this is like the next day. 00:08:17.873 --> 00:08:18.023 So. 00:08:18.023 --> 00:08:20.153 you get used to the idea that it's the next day. 00:08:20.711 --> 00:08:20.921 Alan: Yeah, 00:08:21.173 --> 00:08:21.473 Mario: Huh? 00:08:21.533 --> 00:08:22.133 Interesting. 00:08:22.403 --> 00:08:22.673 Hmm. 00:08:22.751 --> 00:08:24.058 Alan: and it's it's one of those that 00:08:24.108 --> 00:08:26.968 the first reaction is just like, you're like no 00:08:26.998 --> 00:08:27.418 wrong. 00:08:27.478 --> 00:08:29.608 This is that's just incorrect. 00:08:29.642 --> 00:08:30.602 But yeah, when you get used to 00:08:30.712 --> 00:08:32.112 it, you actually 00:08:32.162 --> 00:08:33.212 prefer it is just, 00:08:33.342 --> 00:08:33.552 yeah. 00:08:34.074 --> 00:08:34.974 Mario: Oh, that's cool. 00:08:35.034 --> 00:08:35.544 That's cool. 00:08:35.574 --> 00:08:37.224 I didn't, I didn't know that I never heard of that. 00:08:38.242 --> 00:08:38.902 Alan: So, yeah. 00:08:39.652 --> 00:08:40.102 So I'm 00:08:40.132 --> 00:08:43.439 dealing with the clients during the U S and my default of course, 00:08:43.439 --> 00:08:45.989 is to use 2,400, a 24 hour 00:08:45.989 --> 00:08:48.489 clock because it's unambiguous. 00:08:48.509 --> 00:08:49.109 It's clear. 00:08:49.109 --> 00:08:50.249 It's what I'm used to. 00:08:50.459 --> 00:08:51.689 And there are like, we can't 00:08:51.689 --> 00:08:52.499 think like that. 00:08:52.559 --> 00:08:56.429 Can you just put name that? 00:08:56.429 --> 00:08:58.229 Like it's maths every time I have to put it in a 00:08:58.229 --> 00:08:59.519 time, can you please change it? 00:08:59.519 --> 00:09:00.839 And I'm like, well, yeah, no. 00:09:00.959 --> 00:09:01.319 Yeah. 00:09:01.379 --> 00:09:01.469 I 00:09:01.587 --> 00:09:01.977 Mario: Yeah. 00:09:02.039 --> 00:09:04.109 Alan: it's something I discovered this way. 00:09:04.109 --> 00:09:07.649 I didn't even know it existed because I use Safari primarily as my browser. 00:09:08.419 --> 00:09:12.909 And apparently there's a, an input type equals time, which works on pretty much 00:09:12.909 --> 00:09:16.690 everything apart from Safari, which will give you a time picker just like 00:09:16.790 --> 00:09:22.967 a scrolling of, and that is apparently based on the setting of your Mac as to 00:09:22.967 --> 00:09:27.910 whether your machine PC as to whether it's set to 2,400 hours or 12 hour clock. 00:09:28.010 --> 00:09:29.210 And it will give you an am PM. 00:09:29.240 --> 00:09:32.750 And I didn't even know that input existed, but finding out that it 00:09:32.750 --> 00:09:35.960 doesn't, isn't supported in safari makes it might as well not exist anyway. 00:09:35.970 --> 00:09:37.201 So like one of those. 00:09:37.201 --> 00:09:37.531 Yay. 00:09:37.523 --> 00:09:38.063 Mario: Nice. 00:09:38.093 --> 00:09:38.603 Nice. 00:09:39.521 --> 00:09:39.791 Alan: anyway, 00:09:40.223 --> 00:09:40.743 Mario: Yeah. 00:09:40.859 --> 00:09:41.729 Yeah, so 00:09:42.599 --> 00:09:44.069 no none, No worries 00:09:44.177 --> 00:09:45.407 Alan: I actually, that's a good question. 00:09:45.407 --> 00:09:48.467 When you shed your all in your own, your schedule or a, 00:09:48.507 --> 00:09:49.947 A podcast recording a session. 00:09:49.947 --> 00:09:50.097 Yeah. 00:09:50.117 --> 00:09:51.617 What do you use for timepicker there? 00:09:51.627 --> 00:09:55.688 Do you just have a using like flat picker or I can't, I 00:09:55.688 --> 00:09:56.138 can't actually 00:09:56.138 --> 00:09:56.438 remember. 00:09:57.210 --> 00:09:59.656 Mario: yeah, I'm using what is it called? 00:09:59.716 --> 00:10:00.436 let me look 00:10:00.436 --> 00:10:00.916 here. 00:10:00.999 --> 00:10:05.054 I'm using popular library for that, that I found online. 00:10:05.084 --> 00:10:07.304 So I created a view component, a 00:10:07.304 --> 00:10:11.934 custom view component, but on top of a open source library 00:10:11.934 --> 00:10:14.217 that I found online it's called 00:10:14.264 --> 00:10:16.904 V calendar, vcalendar.io. 00:10:16.931 --> 00:10:22.147 So if you need to check it out, go to vcalendar.io, I can put the link here. 00:10:23.410 --> 00:10:23.980 Alan: Oh, no. 00:10:23.980 --> 00:10:24.550 Cause I 00:10:24.602 --> 00:10:28.815 I ended up, well, I, need the same thing as well, and I originally 00:10:28.815 --> 00:10:29.085 just 00:10:29.085 --> 00:10:30.765 had, okay, so just taking a look. 00:10:30.765 --> 00:10:34.695 So it has a, has a time picker in it as well, right? 00:10:34.725 --> 00:10:37.035 Or is it just a calendar, Oh, it does have like a 00:10:37.545 --> 00:10:38.085 little time. 00:10:38.265 --> 00:10:38.715 Oh, that's quite 00:10:38.715 --> 00:10:39.015 nice. 00:10:39.135 --> 00:10:39.225 All 00:10:39.332 --> 00:10:40.742 Mario: it's pretty robust 00:10:40.742 --> 00:10:42.122 and it's very flexible. 00:10:42.122 --> 00:10:44.192 It has a lot of options that you can, 00:10:44.252 --> 00:10:46.212 that you can play with deals. 00:10:46.362 --> 00:10:46.872 It can deal 00:10:46.872 --> 00:10:49.512 with date ranges and things like that. 00:10:49.512 --> 00:10:51.541 Markers All kinds of stuff. 00:10:51.751 --> 00:10:52.021 It's, 00:10:52.021 --> 00:10:53.581 it's pretty extensive. 00:10:53.611 --> 00:10:54.571 So I really liked 00:10:54.571 --> 00:10:57.331 it because it it, provides a lot and it seems 00:10:57.331 --> 00:10:59.011 to be popular 00:10:59.011 --> 00:11:00.989 and a well-supported and you know, 00:11:01.062 --> 00:11:03.192 Pretty well developed and 00:11:03.192 --> 00:11:03.252 the 00:11:03.494 --> 00:11:04.184 Alan: So yeah, 00:11:04.302 --> 00:11:05.022 Mario: really good. 00:11:05.055 --> 00:11:05.595 So 00:11:05.628 --> 00:11:05.838 Alan: always 00:11:05.838 --> 00:11:06.198 nice. 00:11:06.264 --> 00:11:08.064 It's not a, it doesn't relate. 00:11:08.064 --> 00:11:09.504 Does it relay on for you or is it 00:11:09.525 --> 00:11:09.752 it's 00:11:09.752 --> 00:11:10.142 actually 00:11:10.652 --> 00:11:11.132 agnostic. 00:11:11.280 --> 00:11:16.073 Mario: I think it's I think it's framework agnostic or maybe 00:11:16.103 --> 00:11:18.033 it supports different ones. 00:11:18.100 --> 00:11:18.940 Let's see. 00:11:18.940 --> 00:11:19.990 View three. 00:11:19.990 --> 00:11:20.440 Yeah, 00:11:20.470 --> 00:11:20.950 take a look. 00:11:20.950 --> 00:11:21.510 I think 00:11:21.616 --> 00:11:22.126 Does it 00:11:22.156 --> 00:11:23.896 let me see introduction. 00:11:23.896 --> 00:11:25.786 It's been a while since I set it up. 00:11:25.766 --> 00:11:26.114 Alan: JS. 00:11:26.114 --> 00:11:27.014 It says that right in the 00:11:27.014 --> 00:11:27.644 title. 00:11:28.304 --> 00:11:29.114 So yeah, users view. 00:11:29.114 --> 00:11:29.414 Okay. 00:11:29.414 --> 00:11:30.740 But I might have a look at 00:11:30.740 --> 00:11:30.880 that. 00:11:30.890 --> 00:11:31.280 See how it 00:11:31.280 --> 00:11:33.110 works is there, so I'm not using view. 00:11:33.212 --> 00:11:33.572 But, 00:11:33.639 --> 00:11:34.431 Definitely there might be. 00:11:35.311 --> 00:11:36.361 Good for an influence. 00:11:36.491 --> 00:11:36.751 So 00:11:36.991 --> 00:11:41.401 it's, it's, shocking how not so that the default, or at least the, one 00:11:41.401 --> 00:11:42.841 of the most popular seems to be flat 00:11:42.841 --> 00:11:46.021 picker, which seems to do a lot of things, but it's, doesn't 00:11:46.021 --> 00:11:48.061 seem very elegant in any of them. 00:11:48.170 --> 00:11:52.730 And so I'm using that as a, just a like, oh, well, it's, it's 00:11:52.730 --> 00:11:56.842 working until I have a chance to re go back and, and improve it. 00:11:57.172 --> 00:12:01.698 But yeah, just a, a good solid timepicker that doesn't rely on 00:12:01.698 --> 00:12:07.188 any framework doesn't seem to be as available as, as I would have liked 00:12:07.188 --> 00:12:11.510 it, I would have kind of expected to be like, oh, that is 10 great examples. 00:12:11.510 --> 00:12:13.940 And it's like, no, there's, there's one and it's not that great. 00:12:14.270 --> 00:12:14.960 It's like, oh, okay. 00:12:14.940 --> 00:12:18.462 So I think yeah, I just need to go back and do it properly. 00:12:18.451 --> 00:12:22.185 So yeah, it's, it's surprising how it's such a common thing 00:12:22.185 --> 00:12:23.175 and there isn't like a. 00:12:23.206 --> 00:12:26.596 At least not that I found that there was a default, yet everybody uses this. 00:12:26.596 --> 00:12:27.586 This is the one and 00:12:28.606 --> 00:12:29.296 a lot of libraries. 00:12:29.296 --> 00:12:29.686 You tend to 00:12:29.686 --> 00:12:30.196 find that way. 00:12:30.196 --> 00:12:30.466 So 00:12:31.238 --> 00:12:32.858 Mario: yeah, yeah. 00:12:34.156 --> 00:12:36.706 Alan: it's just me being lazy and not, not wanting to write my own 00:12:37.876 --> 00:12:41.866 because why out of all the things I could be spending my time on writing a time, 00:12:41.866 --> 00:12:42.616 picker is not what 00:12:43.478 --> 00:12:43.868 Mario: yeah. 00:12:43.868 --> 00:12:44.618 exactly. 00:12:44.618 --> 00:12:46.598 I mean, it's, it's a lot of, it's a lot of 00:12:46.598 --> 00:12:48.365 work to create a time picker or a 00:12:48.365 --> 00:12:50.825 date picker, all the, you know, all 00:12:50.825 --> 00:12:52.835 the, all the nuances with, 00:12:52.929 --> 00:12:54.789 Dates and time zones and all that. 00:12:54.849 --> 00:12:55.719 It's crazy. 00:12:56.166 --> 00:12:57.396 Alan: So I had this fun one. 00:12:57.400 --> 00:13:01.748 So I have a reminder thing in, in dot plan. 00:13:01.748 --> 00:13:04.868 So you can say, oh, you know, five 30 every day, send me a reminder. 00:13:04.850 --> 00:13:08.223 And I, I inadvertently screwed that up. 00:13:08.343 --> 00:13:13.657 So so I'm using AWS SES for sending the emails. 00:13:13.657 --> 00:13:14.039 And 00:13:14.129 --> 00:13:15.209 that's fine. 00:13:15.209 --> 00:13:20.745 That just there's a, there's a bit of a validation thing you have to go through. 00:13:20.820 --> 00:13:24.720 You know, I have to jump through some hoops to get AWS, to one turn it on 00:13:24.720 --> 00:13:29.173 and then two allow you to send emails to non test addresses, because you 00:13:29.183 --> 00:13:32.053 got to say, why are you going to do it and what it's for and all the rest. 00:13:32.053 --> 00:13:33.930 So once you said out a lot of it, it's fine. 00:13:34.710 --> 00:13:40.050 And I don't know why I am assuming it was my logic rather than their logic, 00:13:40.080 --> 00:13:44.220 but one of the mails got delayed. 00:13:44.307 --> 00:13:48.417 And it was only by a few minutes and I'm assuming it was my scheduler. 00:13:48.657 --> 00:13:52.077 Didn't kick off at the right time or something, which I don't understand 00:13:52.077 --> 00:13:56.457 why, but I have to kind of have a look at some time and that caused. 00:13:57.332 --> 00:14:02.022 Kind of a knock on effect for my logic, for when to send a reminder, it won't send 00:14:02.022 --> 00:14:07.332 you, it wouldn't send you a reminder if it was, if that one been sent within the 00:14:07.332 --> 00:14:09.432 last 24 hours of the same reminder type. 00:14:09.432 --> 00:14:11.937 So you could actually set one for 5:00 PM and one for 6:00 00:14:11.937 --> 00:14:13.482 PM at is, as it is right now. 00:14:13.499 --> 00:14:18.376 And it would send you one at 5:00 PM and the 6:00 PM one wouldn't send 00:14:18.406 --> 00:14:22.186 because it was like, well, I've already sent you one within the last 24 hours. 00:14:22.306 --> 00:14:22.786 Oh no. 00:14:22.786 --> 00:14:23.026 Sorry. 00:14:23.086 --> 00:14:26.596 It would because they're separate reminders, but by one of them being 00:14:26.596 --> 00:14:30.376 delayed, that reminded then kept being delayed even further because it's 00:14:30.376 --> 00:14:34.186 like, oh, I haven't sent, I've already sent you one within the last 24 hours. 00:14:34.186 --> 00:14:35.356 I'll send you one a little bit later. 00:14:35.440 --> 00:14:37.480 Had this thing where each day they were getting like five 00:14:37.480 --> 00:14:38.590 minutes later and I'm like, 00:14:39.310 --> 00:14:39.760 okay. 00:14:40.457 --> 00:14:40.957 Mario: Yeah, 00:14:41.470 --> 00:14:42.460 Alan: But it got to the end of the week. 00:14:42.460 --> 00:14:44.050 And I'm like, okay, I really need to fix this. 00:14:44.050 --> 00:14:44.230 Now. 00:14:44.230 --> 00:14:44.950 It's like, you know, 00:14:44.980 --> 00:14:45.670 half an hour out of 00:14:45.670 --> 00:14:45.910 sync. 00:14:45.910 --> 00:14:46.240 So 00:14:46.527 --> 00:14:46.947 Mario: yeah, 00:14:47.290 --> 00:14:48.130 Alan: I hate times 00:14:48.130 --> 00:14:48.400 with a 00:14:48.400 --> 00:14:49.960 passion times. 00:14:50.227 --> 00:14:52.617 Mario: It's always a pain dealing with that 00:14:52.617 --> 00:14:54.560 Alan: And, and and at the end of the day it was a time zone thing. 00:14:54.563 --> 00:14:56.301 It was just me trying 00:14:56.301 --> 00:14:58.071 to shift things around time zones. 00:14:58.071 --> 00:15:00.181 And by doing that ad the calculation was 00:15:00.181 --> 00:15:01.381 incorrect and it was going, 00:15:02.431 --> 00:15:03.121 so, Yeah. 00:15:03.249 --> 00:15:03.489 Mario: yeah, 00:15:05.259 --> 00:15:06.009 Oh man. 00:15:06.541 --> 00:15:07.171 Alan: sorry to 00:15:07.171 --> 00:15:07.621 interrupt. 00:15:07.609 --> 00:15:08.929 Mario: No, no, not at all. 00:15:09.139 --> 00:15:09.889 No worries. 00:15:09.919 --> 00:15:10.639 Let's see. 00:15:11.209 --> 00:15:12.079 A couple more 00:15:12.079 --> 00:15:13.939 things to report here. 00:15:13.973 --> 00:15:14.723 I scheduled 00:15:14.723 --> 00:15:17.825 a hangout on one of my communities. 00:15:17.907 --> 00:15:18.657 Alan: I saw 00:15:18.845 --> 00:15:19.205 Mario: Yeah 00:15:19.235 --> 00:15:20.776 Alan: how did that go, How many you turned up? 00:15:22.426 --> 00:15:23.436 Did anybody up? 00:15:23.454 --> 00:15:25.944 Mario: it didn't get, it didn't go very well. 00:15:26.154 --> 00:15:30.438 So I think I made a mistake of scheduling it for a Friday and 00:15:30.480 --> 00:15:32.370 not giving people enough notice. 00:15:32.640 --> 00:15:36.060 I thought maybe Friday was going to be a good day because it's, you know, it's the 00:15:36.060 --> 00:15:36.810 end of the week. 00:15:36.972 --> 00:15:37.482 Alan: of the week. 00:15:37.950 --> 00:15:40.320 Mario: people, people would, you know, hang out. 00:15:40.320 --> 00:15:40.800 But I, 00:15:40.800 --> 00:15:44.289 think what happened was hopefully that what happened was that 00:15:44.319 --> 00:15:45.609 people were not very 00:15:45.609 --> 00:15:46.239 active 00:15:46.299 --> 00:15:46.749 in the 00:15:46.749 --> 00:15:49.839 community at that time and not many people found out about it. 00:15:49.847 --> 00:15:53.755 And and also, you know, there's time zone issues, you know, with people 00:15:53.888 --> 00:15:55.118 Alan: I, I didn't actually see your 00:15:55.118 --> 00:15:56.228 message until after it. 00:15:56.228 --> 00:15:56.738 had happened. 00:15:56.858 --> 00:15:57.638 So yeah. 00:15:57.708 --> 00:15:59.828 That's kind of an example of that, especially since I 00:15:59.828 --> 00:16:03.457 don't check as frequently, I'll see that, you know, when I've 00:16:03.457 --> 00:16:04.987 got some downtime and I'll, I'll 00:16:04.987 --> 00:16:07.704 go and have a look, see if there's any messages and it's not, whereas, 00:16:07.704 --> 00:16:08.874 you know, work is kind of like 00:16:08.994 --> 00:16:12.804 on and open and notifications, whereas other channels are like, ah, you 00:16:12.804 --> 00:16:14.124 know, it's, it's not so important. 00:16:14.124 --> 00:16:16.824 So yeah, maybe she had you on a couple of days, like on Friday 00:16:18.177 --> 00:16:19.467 Mario: yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:16:19.467 --> 00:16:20.187 Ahead of time. 00:16:20.487 --> 00:16:22.017 So only one person showed up. 00:16:22.006 --> 00:16:22.446 And 00:16:22.563 --> 00:16:23.223 Alan: made a new friend. 00:16:23.976 --> 00:16:27.816 Mario: she she showed up because I had, I had mentioned to her 00:16:27.816 --> 00:16:29.556 that I was planning to do that. 00:16:29.556 --> 00:16:33.822 And at some point, and she asked me to let her know. 00:16:33.894 --> 00:16:37.014 And so I dropped a quick message directly to her 00:16:38.074 --> 00:16:39.461 you know it's this Friday. 00:16:39.461 --> 00:16:41.561 And so hopefully you can make it. 00:16:41.621 --> 00:16:43.541 And she showed up and she was the only one. 00:16:44.321 --> 00:16:44.711 So. 00:16:47.069 --> 00:16:47.369 Alan: Yeah. 00:16:48.746 --> 00:16:53.486 Mario: So I'm, I'm, I'm thinking to schedule another one for one 00:16:53.486 --> 00:16:57.836 of these days, but I'll give people more time, more in advance 00:16:57.904 --> 00:16:58.924 Alan: On the subject of like 00:16:58.924 --> 00:16:59.734 communities and things. 00:16:59.734 --> 00:17:01.474 So I think I mentioned to you over DM. 00:17:01.541 --> 00:17:03.159 So I joined founders 00:17:03.159 --> 00:17:05.330 circle and it was a 00:17:05.660 --> 00:17:08.996 I think like a paid community, but the guys made 00:17:08.996 --> 00:17:10.316 it free, basically. 00:17:10.316 --> 00:17:13.586 Just message him and tell him why you want to be in and they'll let you in. 00:17:13.916 --> 00:17:17.636 And so he's covering basically all it is using circle app as 00:17:17.636 --> 00:17:19.556 like a like community board thing. 00:17:19.588 --> 00:17:23.033 And it's, it's really nice, I think because it's smaller and 00:17:23.033 --> 00:17:25.073 he's trying to establish it. 00:17:25.103 --> 00:17:30.344 He's been very proactive in In, in trying to grow the community and trying 00:17:30.344 --> 00:17:32.114 to get other people to be active too. 00:17:32.114 --> 00:17:35.913 So it feels a little bit more like he's you know, I think, whereas MegaMaker 00:17:35.913 --> 00:17:39.543 is quite established now it, for the most part, you know, just in kind of 00:17:39.543 --> 00:17:42.963 like, we'll poke it occasionally, but it's not like his full-time like, okay, 00:17:42.963 --> 00:17:44.493 I've got to get everybody to do things. 00:17:44.493 --> 00:17:48.360 Whereas this feels still a little bit more like it's trying to get to establish. 00:17:48.390 --> 00:17:51.983 So it's, it's nice and everybody's very sensory helpful and there's some 00:17:51.983 --> 00:17:53.213 really interesting people on there. 00:17:53.483 --> 00:17:58.208 I didn't realize the you know, I mentioned copy.ai a few weeks ago which 00:17:58.208 --> 00:18:01.128 is like the AI copy rewriting thing. 00:18:01.278 --> 00:18:02.988 So he's actually on that as well. 00:18:03.051 --> 00:18:06.951 And there's some other interesting folks doing some interesting stuff, 00:18:06.981 --> 00:18:12.345 so, but they also mentioned in, they do like a weekly like a weekly check-in 00:18:12.345 --> 00:18:17.167 kind of idea in one of the channels and Oh, there is no chat either. 00:18:17.167 --> 00:18:18.847 It's all just by posts. 00:18:18.847 --> 00:18:23.227 So it feels a little more asynchronous than something like MegaMaker, which 00:18:23.227 --> 00:18:27.457 seems to have gone more towards the slack than the board right now. 00:18:27.474 --> 00:18:32.694 And so he mentioned that he's, they've been testing podcast, recording tools 00:18:32.694 --> 00:18:36.942 with the co-founder of the board to find one, to record a podcast 00:18:36.942 --> 00:18:38.322 with, and I'm like, come on Mario. 00:18:39.322 --> 00:18:41.992 So you could be the, the, the tool of choice there because they seemed very 00:18:41.992 --> 00:18:43.808 supportive in their own in real product. 00:18:43.818 --> 00:18:46.792 So I would recommend Colin and saying, introducing what you're doing. 00:18:46.792 --> 00:18:49.882 Cause I think that'd be very willing to, give it a go and 00:18:49.965 --> 00:18:50.835 it gives some good feedback. 00:18:51.075 --> 00:18:51.915 So it's interesting. 00:18:51.915 --> 00:18:56.020 So the, the founder of it did a like a loom walkthrough of dot 00:18:56.020 --> 00:19:01.330 plan for me as like a freebie, you know, like I'd like to help out. 00:19:01.870 --> 00:19:07.150 And there's another guy that is a UX designer from London that is, 00:19:07.210 --> 00:19:08.620 he said, he's going to do it too. 00:19:08.666 --> 00:19:11.845 He I noticed that I don't know if he's created an account. 00:19:11.865 --> 00:19:14.685 Somebody creates an account like yesterday and I'm like, okay, 00:19:14.715 --> 00:19:16.945 I'm what I wasn't expecting anybody else to create an account. 00:19:16.965 --> 00:19:18.060 So I assume it was him. 00:19:18.300 --> 00:19:22.526 I haven't so he said he's gonna do similar kind of thing just to walk through. 00:19:22.796 --> 00:19:25.526 So they're actually starting to share those. 00:19:25.526 --> 00:19:30.056 There's a directory of them so effectively to help each other out. 00:19:30.056 --> 00:19:32.726 They really we'll do walkthroughs of each other's product. 00:19:32.726 --> 00:19:34.766 Like the onboarding, like, oh, well, what does this mean? 00:19:34.766 --> 00:19:38.486 Like, you know, talk through, talk out loud through the 00:19:38.486 --> 00:19:39.716 thought process of the product. 00:19:39.734 --> 00:19:40.842 And that's been really helpful. 00:19:40.932 --> 00:19:43.543 So so, so once off our own, somebody else is doing it. 00:19:43.573 --> 00:19:47.635 And and because of that, other people are watching it And then 00:19:47.635 --> 00:19:49.015 sent, oh, that looks really cool. 00:19:49.255 --> 00:19:51.445 I I'll like to give it a try as okay. 00:19:51.445 --> 00:19:53.245 If I sign up, please sign up. 00:19:54.175 --> 00:19:59.635 So hopefully it's a nice little way of getting people to, to know about 00:19:59.635 --> 00:20:02.605 it and to see it as well, because people are interested in learning 00:20:02.605 --> 00:20:04.576 from other people's UX examples. 00:20:04.576 --> 00:20:04.906 Anyway. 00:20:04.959 --> 00:20:08.987 So that, that actually I'll I guess I'll you, you're kind of finished, right? 00:20:09.827 --> 00:20:10.607 Just to check, 00:20:10.750 --> 00:20:11.200 Mario: Almost. 00:20:11.200 --> 00:20:11.410 Yeah. 00:20:11.440 --> 00:20:12.967 Almost yeah, no, no, no worries. 00:20:13.081 --> 00:20:13.351 No, 00:20:13.351 --> 00:20:13.651 and 00:20:13.749 --> 00:20:14.829 Alan: want to start rambling on about, 00:20:14.912 --> 00:20:15.542 My things first. 00:20:17.785 --> 00:20:21.573 Mario: no, and on that note, I did get your invite link the 00:20:21.573 --> 00:20:23.313 other day for, for that community. 00:20:23.313 --> 00:20:28.383 And I, I did join already, but I haven't had a chance to introduce myself 00:20:28.413 --> 00:20:30.889 or, or, you know or do much in there. 00:20:30.889 --> 00:20:30.979 I 00:20:30.979 --> 00:20:32.809 need, I still need, to explore and 00:20:32.809 --> 00:20:33.619 introduce myself. 00:20:33.979 --> 00:20:34.969 So I 00:20:35.069 --> 00:20:36.499 I should be doing that. 00:20:37.127 --> 00:20:37.487 Alan: Yes. 00:20:37.529 --> 00:20:37.859 Mario: Yeah. 00:20:38.009 --> 00:20:38.279 Yeah. 00:20:38.279 --> 00:20:38.609 it looks 00:20:38.609 --> 00:20:39.449 like a really cool 00:20:39.449 --> 00:20:40.109 community though. 00:20:40.109 --> 00:20:43.577 It looks it's funny as you're mentioning that it's just getting 00:20:43.577 --> 00:20:48.377 started, but it looks like there's quite a bit of participation going on 00:20:48.464 --> 00:20:48.794 Alan: right. 00:20:48.794 --> 00:20:50.947 So I think what happened is, so Gene, the 00:20:50.947 --> 00:20:53.287 founder, just I'm kind of reading between the lines. 00:20:53.314 --> 00:20:53.809 So it 00:20:53.809 --> 00:20:57.119 looks like so he's based surprisingly very close to me. 00:20:57.107 --> 00:21:02.687 He's in, on the same island, but in the south and it was like, oh, okay. 00:21:02.717 --> 00:21:03.817 Yeah, that's weird. 00:21:03.827 --> 00:21:03.977 like 00:21:05.157 --> 00:21:06.227 it's a really small world, 00:21:06.227 --> 00:21:06.377 right. 00:21:06.377 --> 00:21:06.797 Sometimes. 00:21:07.217 --> 00:21:11.702 And so I think so he's selling an info product and so people who were 00:21:11.702 --> 00:21:13.442 buying it, he was inviting them to it. 00:21:13.502 --> 00:21:17.942 And so I think it's been slowly, he's been building it out to 00:21:17.942 --> 00:21:19.832 know he's getting more people 00:21:19.832 --> 00:21:20.192 involved. 00:21:20.222 --> 00:21:20.492 So it 00:21:20.492 --> 00:21:20.732 was kind 00:21:20.732 --> 00:21:21.212 of interesting. 00:21:21.554 --> 00:21:22.064 Mario: Nice. 00:21:22.190 --> 00:21:24.800 Alan: Yeah, so I, it seems like a, quite a nice community. 00:21:24.800 --> 00:21:26.120 So I definitely I'd recommend 00:21:26.120 --> 00:21:26.630 introducing 00:21:26.630 --> 00:21:27.020 yourself. 00:21:27.020 --> 00:21:27.290 And 00:21:27.787 --> 00:21:29.107 Mario: Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. 00:21:29.107 --> 00:21:29.407 I 00:21:29.510 --> 00:21:29.630 Alan: that. 00:21:30.517 --> 00:21:31.807 Mario: yeah, I'm looking forward to it and 00:21:31.807 --> 00:21:32.857 I'll, I'll be doing that 00:21:32.887 --> 00:21:35.887 pretty soon because one of the, one of the things that. 00:21:35.887 --> 00:21:37.477 I want to share too, which kind 00:21:37.477 --> 00:21:40.417 of is a good segway to it is that I 00:21:40.426 --> 00:21:44.227 that I decided to freeze any new features at this point just for now. 00:21:44.287 --> 00:21:45.157 And I think 00:21:45.210 --> 00:21:46.530 Alan: I need somebody to tell me to do that. 00:21:47.530 --> 00:21:48.490 Mario: you can do it online. 00:21:48.610 --> 00:21:49.300 You can do it, 00:21:50.192 --> 00:21:50.342 Alan: It's 00:21:50.342 --> 00:21:50.822 impossible. 00:21:50.890 --> 00:21:51.520 Mario: it, right now. 00:21:53.020 --> 00:21:58.220 No, I think Fusioncast is at a point where it's good enough that it can be used. 00:21:58.250 --> 00:22:00.680 I have someone who's, who's been using 00:22:00.680 --> 00:22:00.950 it 00:22:00.996 --> 00:22:01.506 Already. 00:22:01.506 --> 00:22:04.974 And I think, I think it's at that point where, 00:22:05.864 --> 00:22:07.544 Yeah, it still, needs more features. 00:22:07.544 --> 00:22:10.506 It's still, it's still needs quite a bit of work to be polished 00:22:10.776 --> 00:22:12.726 here and there, but for the most part 00:22:12.726 --> 00:22:13.816 it's usable, You know? 00:22:13.916 --> 00:22:17.579 Alan: I absolutely 100% agree with you that this is, yeah. 00:22:17.609 --> 00:22:21.659 I mean, yeah, there's, there's lots of things that you want to do, but 00:22:21.689 --> 00:22:24.786 there's absolutely nothing that it can't do right now that you would 00:22:24.816 --> 00:22:27.036 need to make a podcast for somebody. 00:22:27.036 --> 00:22:27.246 Right. 00:22:27.246 --> 00:22:28.236 You know, and it looks 00:22:28.236 --> 00:22:28.506 great. 00:22:28.536 --> 00:22:31.566 And there's, you know, walking through the the admin interface 00:22:31.596 --> 00:22:33.576 and as a guest as well, both it's 00:22:33.606 --> 00:22:37.416 I think having that remote control, I mean, it, it sounds like a small thing, 00:22:37.416 --> 00:22:43.553 but that, I think that's like the final not must have, but really nice to have. 00:22:43.569 --> 00:22:46.273 But then anybody can there's no, excuse, absolutely. 00:22:46.273 --> 00:22:46.753 You've got zero 00:22:46.753 --> 00:22:47.353 excuses now. 00:22:48.040 --> 00:22:49.600 Mario: yeah, yeah. 00:22:49.600 --> 00:22:51.280 So, yeah, you're right, 00:22:51.280 --> 00:22:52.210 So I decided to freeze. 00:22:52.920 --> 00:22:56.700 New features and a focus on marketing for awhile. 00:22:56.747 --> 00:22:59.637 I need to update my marketing site. 00:22:59.697 --> 00:23:03.054 You know, the landing page is good and all right. 00:23:03.054 --> 00:23:08.493 now, but it it's it's it was like the first attempt at putting something out 00:23:08.493 --> 00:23:12.878 there and I need to update it with more relevant information and something that 00:23:12.878 --> 00:23:17.325 reflects what the product is becoming now, you know, the copy that I have 00:23:17.325 --> 00:23:21.345 on the marketing site is kind of a reflection of the early 00:23:21.345 --> 00:23:24.195 ideas and the early stage of the product. 00:23:24.195 --> 00:23:27.105 And now it's, you know, it's, becoming more defined. 00:23:27.105 --> 00:23:27.735 So I need 00:23:27.735 --> 00:23:28.815 to update that 00:23:28.815 --> 00:23:31.122 Alan: I would highly recommend playing with copy.ai when you're 00:23:31.122 --> 00:23:32.772 doing that, just because it's really. 00:23:32.863 --> 00:23:33.253 Mario: Cool. 00:23:33.283 --> 00:23:33.793 Yeah. 00:23:33.817 --> 00:23:34.417 I'll try to do 00:23:34.417 --> 00:23:34.687 that. 00:23:34.687 --> 00:23:34.981 Yeah. 00:23:34.981 --> 00:23:35.461 And I'll 00:23:35.540 --> 00:23:40.440 I need to send some email updates to the people that I've onboarded with the latest 00:23:40.440 --> 00:23:42.630 changes put into the product and 00:23:42.600 --> 00:23:44.130 also do more onboarding. 00:23:44.183 --> 00:23:44.303 I 00:23:44.303 --> 00:23:45.786 need to invite some, people 00:23:45.909 --> 00:23:49.089 Alan: you say you, you, cause you've got outset are already set up. 00:23:49.089 --> 00:23:49.359 Right? 00:23:49.359 --> 00:23:52.391 So there's but you don't have any restrictions with 00:23:52.391 --> 00:23:53.681 the billing plans, right? 00:23:53.771 --> 00:23:54.041 Is that 00:23:54.148 --> 00:23:54.688 Mario: right. 00:23:54.688 --> 00:23:58.576 I have an account with them and I'm using some of their features, but I haven't 00:23:58.576 --> 00:24:01.456 integrated any part of the billing yet. 00:24:01.456 --> 00:24:03.196 So billing is not, I don't have 00:24:03.196 --> 00:24:04.906 anything set up for that yet. 00:24:04.906 --> 00:24:06.406 So I think at this point, 00:24:06.406 --> 00:24:08.776 And I'm still in private beta and I'm going to be 00:24:08.776 --> 00:24:12.199 onboarding some people, I think I can still get away with, 00:24:12.199 --> 00:24:14.209 without the billing integration. 00:24:14.716 --> 00:24:17.896 Alan: I think you can for at least another month or so until you 00:24:17.896 --> 00:24:20.506 kind of reached the point where you get, you want people to pay. 00:24:20.506 --> 00:24:20.836 Right. 00:24:21.239 --> 00:24:22.169 Mario: yeah, exactly. 00:24:22.149 --> 00:24:24.029 so I'm just going to be focusing on that for the next 00:24:24.029 --> 00:24:26.488 few weeks is marketing emails. 00:24:26.580 --> 00:24:30.630 I want to establish some kind of strategy for social media, mainly Twitter. 00:24:30.630 --> 00:24:32.220 That's the only social media that I'm, 00:24:32.528 --> 00:24:32.948 Alan: I think 00:24:33.090 --> 00:24:35.190 Mario: that I care about really. 00:24:35.266 --> 00:24:36.086 Alan: I think that's 00:24:36.086 --> 00:24:36.686 absolutely the right 00:24:36.686 --> 00:24:37.406 decision where you are. 00:24:37.436 --> 00:24:41.576 I mean, it's, there's the, one of the nice things that you have that 00:24:41.696 --> 00:24:42.866 is maybe, you know, 00:24:43.076 --> 00:24:44.126 I guess different to 00:24:44.366 --> 00:24:45.386 my product is 00:24:45.926 --> 00:24:47.786 somebody either 00:24:47.786 --> 00:24:50.786 wants to make a podcast or knows they should, or they don't. 00:24:50.839 --> 00:24:57.400 And people know what a podcast is and it's you, what you have to do is convince 00:24:57.400 --> 00:24:59.470 them that your product is worth trying. 00:24:59.680 --> 00:25:01.750 Not that they need your product, right. 00:25:02.393 --> 00:25:02.813 Mario: right. 00:25:02.993 --> 00:25:03.353 right. 00:25:03.400 --> 00:25:05.230 Alan: I mean, I guess there's advantages. 00:25:05.230 --> 00:25:08.920 You can talk about the benefits of podcasting, but it's not 00:25:08.920 --> 00:25:12.640 like, this is a like, wow, podcasting, never heard of that. 00:25:12.640 --> 00:25:12.850 Right. 00:25:12.850 --> 00:25:15.940 You know, the, the, the hard part of that is already done for you. 00:25:15.940 --> 00:25:19.270 You just now need to convince them that your product is worth their time 00:25:19.270 --> 00:25:19.800 and attention. 00:25:21.308 --> 00:25:21.638 Mario: Yeah. 00:25:21.685 --> 00:25:23.365 Alan: at least, you know, worth evaluating. 00:25:23.725 --> 00:25:27.325 So we, yeah, with DotPlan, I guess I have this, this thing where 00:25:27.985 --> 00:25:34.435 some people aren't sure if they even need it or even what it's for. 00:25:34.585 --> 00:25:39.145 So I have to convince them a little, some people absolutely get it immediately, this 00:25:39.355 --> 00:25:42.295 most maker type people already get it. 00:25:42.315 --> 00:25:43.335 Or a lot of software 00:25:43.335 --> 00:25:44.925 people will get it. 00:25:44.925 --> 00:25:47.865 If you put it, it frame it in the context of a stand-up. 00:25:48.045 --> 00:25:51.585 So if you say, well, it's like your stand-up, but just less formalized 00:25:51.585 --> 00:25:52.875 and they go, okay, I've got it. 00:25:53.145 --> 00:25:56.055 Whereas people who aren't working in software are like, 00:25:56.295 --> 00:25:58.225 huh, I've got to do what? 00:25:58.515 --> 00:26:01.185 So it's, it's slightly more of an alien concept. 00:26:01.185 --> 00:26:04.725 And I don't, I'm trying to avoid using the word standup because I don't 00:26:04.725 --> 00:26:06.675 want to target software developers. 00:26:06.675 --> 00:26:09.925 That's not my I mean, I'm very happy for them to use it and it 00:26:10.045 --> 00:26:13.215 hopefully works well for that, but that isn't my primary target. 00:26:14.440 --> 00:26:19.180 So it's, I'm trying to avoid using the term stand up for that reason. 00:26:19.182 --> 00:26:23.503 And that's actually affected a few things, so watching people walk through it. 00:26:23.503 --> 00:26:27.560 So I've, yeah, I've got two recordings of people walking through it now that 00:26:27.560 --> 00:26:33.937 have given me some very useful ideas or at least realizations of things that 00:26:33.937 --> 00:26:38.749 I could improve or maybe change with regards to wording and copy on the page. 00:26:39.409 --> 00:26:44.662 So the first one is I use the word organization quite a lot as in, so right 00:26:44.662 --> 00:26:51.382 now, if you create an account, you join an organization and that is starting to feel 00:26:51.382 --> 00:26:54.022 off with everybody who I'm using it with. 00:26:54.004 --> 00:26:59.027 People don't necessarily it seems, it feels like on for business 00:26:59.027 --> 00:27:04.859 type B2B, SaaS apps workspaces becoming the go-to word for that. 00:27:04.949 --> 00:27:05.699 And I think 00:27:05.699 --> 00:27:06.449 people are 00:27:07.319 --> 00:27:08.819 less there's less 00:27:08.891 --> 00:27:10.001 Mario: Did you say workspace. 00:27:10.379 --> 00:27:10.709 Alan: Yes. 00:27:10.709 --> 00:27:10.919 Yeah. 00:27:10.919 --> 00:27:11.429 Yeah, it does. 00:27:11.429 --> 00:27:12.689 It seems to be less 00:27:12.753 --> 00:27:12.854 Say 00:27:12.884 --> 00:27:14.174 it's a less loaded term. 00:27:14.204 --> 00:27:17.234 Whereas the word organization is very loaded. 00:27:17.234 --> 00:27:20.234 People immediately think, oh, well, I'm in a big company. 00:27:20.234 --> 00:27:22.544 I've got to, you know, I work for Toyota. 00:27:22.544 --> 00:27:25.184 Or if I create this, I got to create a Toyota account. 00:27:25.244 --> 00:27:25.424 You know? 00:27:25.454 --> 00:27:25.574 It's 00:27:25.574 --> 00:27:25.844 like, 00:27:26.264 --> 00:27:26.744 no, 00:27:26.757 --> 00:27:27.297 Mario: yeah. 00:27:27.597 --> 00:27:27.987 Yeah. 00:27:28.424 --> 00:27:29.804 Alan: so it could just be your group. 00:27:29.834 --> 00:27:30.584 This is fine. 00:27:30.614 --> 00:27:33.217 So the word organization has got to go two things. 00:27:33.217 --> 00:27:36.697 I'm happy about that because it always felt a little bit, 00:27:36.733 --> 00:27:40.363 Slightly out of place, but it felt necessary to have, I 00:27:40.363 --> 00:27:41.773 mean, we need that, that group. 00:27:42.868 --> 00:27:46.258 But the word never, I was never completely convinced by it. 00:27:46.267 --> 00:27:49.407 And the other thing as well is I spell it with an S and American spell 00:27:49.407 --> 00:27:54.027 it with Zed and I O and I come and it's, it's both ways in my code. 00:27:54.027 --> 00:27:58.227 Some of the things I've not been very consistent with my code, I use S 00:27:58.227 --> 00:28:03.087 throughout my code, and then I'm trying to change it, to use Zed in the UI. 00:28:03.447 --> 00:28:07.257 And then I forget, and I put S and then I do a search and replace, and it's like, oh 00:28:07.257 --> 00:28:07.857 God, this is 00:28:07.857 --> 00:28:08.127 just 00:28:08.794 --> 00:28:09.844 Mario: Oh man. 00:28:10.017 --> 00:28:11.277 Alan: coming here as workspace. 00:28:12.057 --> 00:28:14.877 So I I'm going to bite the bullet and change everything to 00:28:14.877 --> 00:28:15.567 workspace. 00:28:15.614 --> 00:28:18.112 And I think that will yeah, watching people go through it 00:28:18.142 --> 00:28:19.282 is like, oh yeah. 00:28:19.342 --> 00:28:22.732 Th that that's almost feels like a barrier to people. 00:28:22.732 --> 00:28:25.282 They hit that, like create or join an organization. 00:28:25.282 --> 00:28:26.422 They're like, oh, but I can't do 00:28:26.422 --> 00:28:26.662 that. 00:28:26.752 --> 00:28:27.772 And you're like, why not? 00:28:28.462 --> 00:28:30.292 So that's, that was a 00:28:30.292 --> 00:28:31.432 big, yeah. 00:28:31.462 --> 00:28:32.272 I need to change that. 00:28:32.272 --> 00:28:32.852 So I'm 00:28:32.902 --> 00:28:33.202 actually 00:28:33.202 --> 00:28:33.352 having. 00:28:33.980 --> 00:28:35.810 Mario: yeah, That, that's awesome though. 00:28:35.810 --> 00:28:36.290 That's 00:28:36.275 --> 00:28:39.119 I wouldn't have thought of that, but now that you're explaining 00:28:39.119 --> 00:28:40.499 it, it totally makes sense. 00:28:40.709 --> 00:28:41.759 The term 00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:44.799 organization it's just sounds too enterprisey 00:28:44.799 --> 00:28:47.712 too, you know, huge corporation or a huge 00:28:47.712 --> 00:28:51.224 organization and yeah, workspace it's, it's so much more 00:28:51.254 --> 00:28:52.831 friendly, like, oh, workspace. 00:28:52.861 --> 00:28:57.645 It's my workspace, you know, it doesn't, it doesn't imply a huge enterprise entity. 00:28:57.670 --> 00:28:57.940 Alan: right. 00:28:57.970 --> 00:28:58.450 Exactly. 00:28:58.450 --> 00:29:01.690 I mean, it might just be, you know, you, and, you know, w w we could 00:29:01.690 --> 00:29:04.180 effectively create a Fusioncast workspace. 00:29:04.330 --> 00:29:04.690 Right. 00:29:04.780 --> 00:29:06.220 And that was still valid. 00:29:06.220 --> 00:29:07.180 It's not, we're not an 00:29:07.180 --> 00:29:09.970 organization, but we could have a workspace and we 00:29:09.970 --> 00:29:11.200 could share check-ins there. 00:29:11.530 --> 00:29:12.280 And also that 00:29:12.400 --> 00:29:13.960 also, so I've been 00:29:13.960 --> 00:29:15.100 quite careful about. 00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:18.580 Obviously the privacy aspect for our companies is kind 00:29:18.580 --> 00:29:19.600 of major with this, right. 00:29:19.600 --> 00:29:23.590 You know, they're putting data in this, that, and, and also personal profile 00:29:23.590 --> 00:29:27.490 of who I am within that business that can not be leaky in any way. 00:29:27.487 --> 00:29:32.005 But at the same time, people do exist in multiple workspaces. 00:29:32.005 --> 00:29:38.035 So the whereas organizations, again, it has this, this low determined 00:29:38.035 --> 00:29:39.505 that if you're in one, then 00:29:39.535 --> 00:29:40.435 you can't be in another. 00:29:40.495 --> 00:29:40.675 Right. 00:29:41.173 --> 00:29:41.593 Mario: Yeah. 00:29:41.875 --> 00:29:45.235 Alan: So workspaces does feel like there, there is a possibility of switching 00:29:45.235 --> 00:29:48.165 between workspaces that I've got to be very safe, very careful about that. 00:29:48.195 --> 00:29:51.696 I think because you want to make sure that people are aware of where they 00:29:51.696 --> 00:29:56.286 are and there's good landmarking to like, you know, I'm, I'm currently in 00:29:56.286 --> 00:30:00.366 this workspace, you have to be very clear about, you know, the who you're 00:30:00.366 --> 00:30:02.826 publishing to and what context you're in. 00:30:02.809 --> 00:30:04.301 But at least it feels possible. 00:30:04.301 --> 00:30:09.551 Whereas workspace felt in my mind, not a feasible thing to add from 00:30:09.551 --> 00:30:13.141 a UI perspective it's kind of just cleared things up in my mind once, 00:30:13.171 --> 00:30:16.411 once I've realized that it's like, oh, okay, that, that makes things better. 00:30:16.831 --> 00:30:23.118 So, and along a very similar lines I have teams as a top front and 00:30:23.118 --> 00:30:25.397 center concept within DotPlan. 00:30:26.087 --> 00:30:29.881 So I think I don't know if you remember, but you've got like check-ins and 00:30:29.911 --> 00:30:34.291 teams and people, so I can see people within my organization and teams. 00:30:34.471 --> 00:30:39.797 So my concept around this was teams are a, loosely defined group that 00:30:39.797 --> 00:30:41.954 you want to keep in touch with. 00:30:41.934 --> 00:30:47.228 That might be you know, if, if we're working on a, in a, in a workspace and 00:30:47.228 --> 00:30:51.509 we're working on making a new landing page or, you know, it's our job, 00:30:51.609 --> 00:30:55.139 there's, there's a designer, there's a developer and there's someone from sales. 00:30:55.139 --> 00:30:59.759 And so we, you know, our project is to improve our landing page. 00:31:01.379 --> 00:31:07.199 That is, was kind of my idea of a team, but people aren't reading it 00:31:07.199 --> 00:31:11.789 as that people are reading it as sales or development or marketing 00:31:11.909 --> 00:31:14.099 or a front-end or back-end. 00:31:14.639 --> 00:31:20.609 And it's, I think this is maybe a problem of me not working in a large 00:31:20.609 --> 00:31:22.889 company for a very, very, very long time. 00:31:23.309 --> 00:31:26.909 But my idea of what a team is apparently is out of whack with what 00:31:26.909 --> 00:31:28.709 other people's idea of what team is. 00:31:28.750 --> 00:31:31.371 So I'm actually going to demote teams. 00:31:31.401 --> 00:31:35.447 I'm going to keep it there as but move it within the people 00:31:35.447 --> 00:31:36.361 Page category. 00:31:36.631 --> 00:31:38.041 So you can still, yeah, yeah. 00:31:38.131 --> 00:31:38.431 Right. 00:31:38.419 --> 00:31:41.869 And I'm going to add the concept of projects as a top level 00:31:41.869 --> 00:31:45.439 thing, which is basically we work in the same way of teams, but I'm going to 00:31:45.439 --> 00:31:45.709 call it 00:31:45.709 --> 00:31:46.399 projects. 00:31:47.329 --> 00:31:48.409 And also that's 00:31:48.796 --> 00:31:49.366 Mario: I see. 00:31:50.104 --> 00:31:52.834 Alan: Yeah, so this way, I'm going to add some 00:31:53.104 --> 00:31:55.684 copy to make it clear of what it is, but the idea is that 00:31:55.684 --> 00:31:57.424 projects can then come and go. 00:31:57.664 --> 00:32:01.024 Like we might be on a project together for the next month. 00:32:01.234 --> 00:32:04.024 And then we effectively close archive that 00:32:04.024 --> 00:32:07.379 project, our check-ins for that project are still kept together. 00:32:07.379 --> 00:32:09.689 They're visible and viewable as a, as a 00:32:09.689 --> 00:32:13.649 collection, but that project can effectively be archived and, you 00:32:13.649 --> 00:32:16.058 know, we've got it there for if we need to go back and look at 00:32:16.058 --> 00:32:17.588 it, but it's not an active thing. 00:32:17.888 --> 00:32:25.148 So I think making projects more of a front and center feature rather than 00:32:25.131 --> 00:32:28.784 trying to do it ad hoc via teams and me not communicating that very well. 00:32:29.024 --> 00:32:32.639 It made it very clear when people started to try and use it as like people 00:32:32.639 --> 00:32:34.379 aren't that we're not on the same way. 00:32:35.309 --> 00:32:39.871 So I've tried the wording and talk through this with people the people who 00:32:39.871 --> 00:32:41.221 did that and they're like, oh, okay. 00:32:41.471 --> 00:32:42.121 That, that makes sense. 00:32:42.121 --> 00:32:42.331 Now. 00:32:43.741 --> 00:32:48.511 So I think that's, it's not a major change on my end, but I think 00:32:48.511 --> 00:32:52.169 it's it's, it's a slightly more work than the workspace change. 00:32:52.209 --> 00:32:53.829 But I think it, 00:32:55.329 --> 00:33:00.729 get it, it kind of gets across my intention better than the teams, 00:33:00.729 --> 00:33:04.730 which I, my idea is to kind of make it 00:33:04.778 --> 00:33:06.158 I guess human hackable, right? 00:33:06.578 --> 00:33:10.208 That that's my intention is to not like force people down 00:33:10.208 --> 00:33:11.948 a particular way of using it. 00:33:12.218 --> 00:33:16.868 But what I'm finding is that people are rather than doing that, people are 00:33:16.868 --> 00:33:20.648 reading into something and then making assumptions about how it should be used. 00:33:20.978 --> 00:33:22.928 I guess this is, I think I've talked about this before. 00:33:22.928 --> 00:33:25.898 I like this idea of giving people some tool sets and then going 00:33:25.988 --> 00:33:27.908 figure out, make this work for you. 00:33:27.895 --> 00:33:29.905 What I'm realizing is people aren't doing that. 00:33:31.315 --> 00:33:36.415 People are making an assumption about what I want them to do, and 00:33:36.415 --> 00:33:39.303 then say assuming that that's what they have to do and that's it. 00:33:39.336 --> 00:33:42.126 So I think I'm going to have to lead people by the hand a 00:33:42.126 --> 00:33:44.226 little bit more than I was doing. 00:33:44.226 --> 00:33:47.106 So rather than having this ad hoc teams that you can use it in 00:33:47.316 --> 00:33:51.546 whatever way suits you, then now I'm going to say you've got projects. 00:33:51.546 --> 00:33:55.176 You know what a project is, make a project and then we'll archive the project. 00:33:55.176 --> 00:33:57.016 You finished it, close the project and archive it. 00:33:57.036 --> 00:33:57.306 Okay. 00:33:57.336 --> 00:33:57.786 I get that. 00:33:57.816 --> 00:33:59.316 It opens, it closes. 00:33:59.406 --> 00:33:59.796 It's done. 00:33:59.787 --> 00:34:06.137 I think the, I, I was being a little bit too hippie they're thinking, giving 00:34:06.137 --> 00:34:10.037 people that just here's your tools, you know, you should figure it out. 00:34:10.097 --> 00:34:10.367 Yeah. 00:34:10.397 --> 00:34:11.537 Maybe that's not what I 00:34:11.537 --> 00:34:11.987 should be doing, 00:34:13.129 --> 00:34:16.543 Mario: yeah, I think you're on the right path here with changing 00:34:16.543 --> 00:34:19.838 your, thinking about this because the like you were saying earlier, 00:34:19.838 --> 00:34:22.118 the product it requires a little bit of 00:34:22.118 --> 00:34:23.328 education, right? 00:34:23.328 --> 00:34:25.598 It a little bit of positioning and education. 00:34:25.598 --> 00:34:25.838 And 00:34:25.838 --> 00:34:30.178 I think making these changes will make it You're making the product more assertive 00:34:30.178 --> 00:34:34.348 as to what, what it is that it does and this is how you do it, and this is 00:34:34.348 --> 00:34:36.718 it, you know, instead of leaving it up 00:34:36.718 --> 00:34:37.828 to the user to use it. 00:34:37.828 --> 00:34:38.518 however they, 00:34:39.121 --> 00:34:39.361 Alan: Yeah. 00:34:39.391 --> 00:34:41.131 And that's not 10 tends to 00:34:41.131 --> 00:34:44.041 be my nature, but I'm realizing that I kind of have 00:34:44.041 --> 00:34:45.541 to be a little bit more if I want 00:34:45.541 --> 00:34:48.569 people to understand what, you know, how to get the most out of it, Right. 00:34:49.135 --> 00:34:49.775 Mario: yeah, yeah. 00:34:49.795 --> 00:34:50.155 yeah. 00:34:50.185 --> 00:34:50.335 I 00:34:50.335 --> 00:34:51.415 think that's that's the 00:34:51.415 --> 00:34:52.165 right call. 00:34:52.233 --> 00:34:53.373 Yeah, for sure. 00:34:53.493 --> 00:34:55.927 I was going to ask you since we're talking about the 00:34:55.927 --> 00:34:59.716 UI and, and stuff, when you do a check-in 00:34:59.697 --> 00:35:00.567 is there any way 00:35:00.567 --> 00:35:02.633 to edit what you wrote? 00:35:03.173 --> 00:35:05.213 Cause I, I don't think 00:35:05.336 --> 00:35:08.396 Alan: don't see it because I removed that feature at the last 00:35:08.396 --> 00:35:09.896 minute because they wanted to 00:35:10.003 --> 00:35:10.303 Change. 00:35:10.333 --> 00:35:11.653 I wasn't happy with how it was working, 00:35:11.653 --> 00:35:14.653 so yeah, the delete are unpublished. 00:35:14.923 --> 00:35:17.653 So yeah, what it was right now was an edit. 00:35:17.653 --> 00:35:19.963 So you could just go in and change things. 00:35:21.853 --> 00:35:25.723 I wanted to change it to be an unpublished. 00:35:26.023 --> 00:35:27.763 So if I did something wrong at 00:35:28.033 --> 00:35:33.493 unpublished, this, move it back into your plan page, fix it, and then republish. 00:35:33.497 --> 00:35:37.427 And I'm thinking I might just temporarily actually, just until I've 00:35:37.427 --> 00:35:41.197 got that working because that that's, there's a few complications with that. 00:35:41.197 --> 00:35:44.283 Just the way it manages how plans get moved around and 00:35:44.364 --> 00:35:45.294 checked off and checked in. 00:35:45.894 --> 00:35:48.932 So I think in the meantime, I'm just going to have an edit or 00:35:48.932 --> 00:35:52.033 delete just as a short term tool. 00:35:52.092 --> 00:35:56.620 But until I can get the unpublished finished yeah, you're the first person 00:35:56.620 --> 00:35:57.580 that's bringing it up, actually. 00:35:57.610 --> 00:35:57.850 That's 00:35:57.857 --> 00:35:58.367 Mario: I see. 00:35:58.427 --> 00:35:58.817 Okay. 00:35:59.080 --> 00:35:59.860 Alan: it, yeah. 00:36:00.040 --> 00:36:02.659 But I was waiting, it was one of those things where I know it wasn't 00:36:02.659 --> 00:36:05.749 working and I'm like, has anybody noticed yet nobody's done this, 00:36:06.749 --> 00:36:06.869 I'm 00:36:06.869 --> 00:36:07.109 glad you. 00:36:07.372 --> 00:36:08.542 Mario: The other day I, posted, 00:36:08.542 --> 00:36:10.392 something and I wanted to change it. 00:36:10.392 --> 00:36:11.372 I want to edit it and 00:36:11.372 --> 00:36:12.392 I, couldn't find a way. 00:36:12.392 --> 00:36:12.512 And 00:36:12.512 --> 00:36:14.357 I was like, huh, I'm going to ask Alan 00:36:15.777 --> 00:36:16.107 . Alan: So 00:36:16.107 --> 00:36:16.227 Yeah. 00:36:16.227 --> 00:36:17.967 I've held off on inviting any 00:36:17.967 --> 00:36:18.147 more 00:36:18.147 --> 00:36:20.266 people because I kind of want to 00:36:20.266 --> 00:36:22.096 implement these and then get 00:36:22.179 --> 00:36:23.289 the right kind of feedback. 00:36:23.289 --> 00:36:23.529 right 00:36:24.099 --> 00:36:26.289 So I get the feeling now, if, if I entered 00:36:26.289 --> 00:36:27.726 use anybody else I 00:36:27.726 --> 00:36:29.705 wanted to get some more people invited last 00:36:29.705 --> 00:36:32.130 weekend or before last like sometime last week. 00:36:32.220 --> 00:36:35.820 And then when I kind of made these realizations, I'm like, I do, I 00:36:35.820 --> 00:36:39.510 have to get people on board and then tell them how it's going to change. 00:36:39.540 --> 00:36:40.800 And I'm like, that's, that's not cool. 00:36:41.730 --> 00:36:45.360 So I'd rather get, at least some of these changes made and then be like, 00:36:45.570 --> 00:36:48.990 okay, now we've got some more valid, you know, better feedback because it's. 00:36:50.190 --> 00:36:51.420 The better version. 00:36:51.420 --> 00:36:51.600 Right. 00:36:52.290 --> 00:36:56.550 So yeah, those, those changes are currently being done. 00:36:56.610 --> 00:36:59.730 So hopefully, and I'm gonna try and get them finished this weekend. 00:37:00.630 --> 00:37:04.257 And then hopefully next week I can introduce some, also invite 00:37:04.257 --> 00:37:05.037 some more people on board. 00:37:05.697 --> 00:37:08.607 So it's, yeah, it's frustrating. 00:37:08.607 --> 00:37:12.867 Cause I I'm now like, ah, I kind of just want more people, but I'm 00:37:12.867 --> 00:37:14.937 also like, okay, don't waste this. 00:37:14.919 --> 00:37:19.192 Now as I've made some good new understandings, don't waste 00:37:19.222 --> 00:37:21.502 those people on old learnings. 00:37:21.502 --> 00:37:21.712 Right. 00:37:22.792 --> 00:37:23.122 So, 00:37:23.204 --> 00:37:23.864 Mario: exactly. 00:37:23.954 --> 00:37:24.794 No, that's good. 00:37:24.824 --> 00:37:25.634 That's a good call. 00:37:25.696 --> 00:37:26.296 Cool. 00:37:26.553 --> 00:37:27.123 Alan: quite fun. 00:37:27.136 --> 00:37:28.276 Mario: It's looking, really good. 00:37:28.906 --> 00:37:29.176 Alan: Thank you. 00:37:29.453 --> 00:37:32.027 I so my wife has just gone 00:37:32.027 --> 00:37:35.349 through my get text file and translated everything. 00:37:35.349 --> 00:37:36.639 So we've got a first 00:37:36.639 --> 00:37:39.515 pass of Japanese in there as well, which will be I haven't merged in 00:37:39.515 --> 00:37:41.464 yet, but it's quite exciting to have 00:37:41.464 --> 00:37:44.194 like, oh, we've got like the whole UI in Japanese now. 00:37:44.254 --> 00:37:44.554 So, 00:37:45.604 --> 00:37:46.234 which is interesting. 00:37:46.234 --> 00:37:46.834 Cause I've got a 00:37:46.862 --> 00:37:48.702 a It's a, it'll be fun. 00:37:48.702 --> 00:37:50.457 So I've got a talked about the 00:37:50.457 --> 00:37:53.110 startup hub in Fukuoka that I'm a member of. 00:37:53.860 --> 00:37:54.820 So obviously because of 00:37:55.030 --> 00:37:58.780 COVID w I haven't been as active there as I would like 00:37:58.780 --> 00:38:01.840 to be, but one thing they do is 00:38:01.955 --> 00:38:06.395 we have like a six monthly, like, meeting with them. 00:38:06.605 --> 00:38:07.835 So I've got a meeting 00:38:07.835 --> 00:38:12.913 next week with people from FGN, the actual It is a co-working space, 00:38:12.913 --> 00:38:15.560 but it's more than that, you know, it's this like startup that they're 00:38:15.560 --> 00:38:19.550 trying to, you know, support and grow startups in the city rather than just 00:38:19.550 --> 00:38:20.960 being like, yeah, you can have a desk. 00:38:21.650 --> 00:38:26.570 So I've got a meeting next week with people from FGN and also apparently people 00:38:26.570 --> 00:38:28.580 from the city and I'm like, Ooh, okay. 00:38:29.660 --> 00:38:33.753 I don't know what, but they kind of want to, you know, know how it's going. 00:38:33.753 --> 00:38:35.853 Just talk about like, what, what I need. 00:38:35.853 --> 00:38:38.542 So they're like, what can we do to help grow the company? 00:38:38.542 --> 00:38:43.912 So having a working Japanese version will be kind of cool to be able to go look, you 00:38:44.362 --> 00:38:45.152 please use it. 00:38:45.362 --> 00:38:46.332 Mario: That's That's awesome 00:38:46.332 --> 00:38:51.142 Alan: So, yeah, they're always looking at ways to, to let the, you know, to try 00:38:51.142 --> 00:38:52.792 and get the city or companies within. 00:38:53.557 --> 00:38:56.626 That kind of network to to support startups and to help. 00:38:56.626 --> 00:39:00.346 So if there's something that they can say, all right, you know, like we know a 00:39:00.496 --> 00:39:06.676 team within our department or in a company that will help you test this in Japan. 00:39:06.676 --> 00:39:08.086 So I'm hoping that. 00:39:08.086 --> 00:39:09.406 I can get something from that. 00:39:09.406 --> 00:39:12.466 So it's, as I said, that they seem very proactive in trying 00:39:12.466 --> 00:39:15.723 to get things, you know, try and get startups working and better. 00:39:16.593 --> 00:39:18.273 So that's been fun. 00:39:18.290 --> 00:39:22.052 And what are the fun things of, I had this an interesting one as well. 00:39:22.262 --> 00:39:25.532 I've I haven't published it yet, but you know, we've got 00:39:25.532 --> 00:39:28.142 the, how you're feeling aspect. 00:39:28.177 --> 00:39:30.559 You know, you've got the emoji mood check in, right. 00:39:30.557 --> 00:39:33.308 I had somebody request one for being. 00:39:34.043 --> 00:39:35.603 And I'm like, oh, that's obvious. 00:39:35.603 --> 00:39:38.423 Like, especially in this day, in these times. 00:39:38.423 --> 00:39:38.633 Right. 00:39:38.783 --> 00:39:43.375 So if I did there, that little sick guy, emoji with his thermometer as, and 00:39:43.392 --> 00:39:46.952 it's, it's kind of one of those you're like, oh yeah, I never thought of that, 00:39:46.982 --> 00:39:50.852 but it's like, you might not be, you're still working and checking in, but 00:39:50.852 --> 00:39:51.932 I'm feeling a bit under the weather. 00:39:51.992 --> 00:39:56.522 I'm like, oh yeah, that that's actually quite cool, but I'm not sad and I'm not 00:39:56.522 --> 00:39:58.334 happy, but I'm just feeling a bit off. 00:39:58.364 --> 00:39:58.754 So 00:39:58.994 --> 00:40:02.425 I've added my intention is to make that completely flexible to have 00:40:02.425 --> 00:40:06.674 that customizable either by the user or by the the workspace manager. 00:40:06.747 --> 00:40:09.087 But for now I want to try and keep it concise 00:40:09.087 --> 00:40:10.707 to just like, you know, five or six. 00:40:10.695 --> 00:40:13.324 So I've added that as a via request. 00:40:13.354 --> 00:40:13.804 So that's 00:40:13.804 --> 00:40:14.014 fun. 00:40:14.942 --> 00:40:15.662 Mario: Oh, I see that. 00:40:15.662 --> 00:40:17.012 And yeah, that's awesome. 00:40:17.134 --> 00:40:17.704 Alan: I did, actually 00:40:18.002 --> 00:40:19.082 Mario: The little guy with the 00:40:19.714 --> 00:40:19.894 Alan: yeah, 00:40:20.702 --> 00:40:21.832 Mario: it's The guy with the 00:40:21.832 --> 00:40:23.810 the emoji with the thermometer. 00:40:23.810 --> 00:40:24.140 Right. 00:40:24.472 --> 00:40:24.742 Alan: that's. 00:40:25.050 --> 00:40:26.110 Mario: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:40:26.120 --> 00:40:26.550 It's here. 00:40:27.420 --> 00:40:28.080 I see it. 00:40:28.770 --> 00:40:29.370 That's cool. 00:40:29.447 --> 00:40:29.657 Alan: did. 00:40:29.807 --> 00:40:30.077 I did 00:40:30.077 --> 00:40:30.557 publish that. 00:40:30.557 --> 00:40:30.857 Cool. 00:40:31.277 --> 00:40:31.937 So that's 00:40:31.937 --> 00:40:32.267 actually, 00:40:32.267 --> 00:40:33.677 the, the project thing also 00:40:33.677 --> 00:40:35.117 helps with The you know, how you 00:40:35.117 --> 00:40:36.677 have this organization, 00:40:36.677 --> 00:40:36.887 your 00:40:36.887 --> 00:40:39.317 teams following teams, again, that kind of 00:40:39.317 --> 00:40:41.417 makes that something I 00:40:41.417 --> 00:40:42.942 can I can play with a lot more 00:40:42.972 --> 00:40:46.542 because this idea of like, which projects you're on, I can bring 00:40:46.542 --> 00:40:50.458 projects a little bit more in focus as to how you use the app. 00:40:50.485 --> 00:40:54.205 So it, it actually, it's funny how just a word change. 00:40:54.805 --> 00:40:58.465 I actually did toy with the idea of actually just renaming teams and I'm like, 00:40:58.495 --> 00:40:59.785 no, it actually deserves more than that. 00:41:00.655 --> 00:41:01.045 Actually. 00:41:01.045 --> 00:41:02.245 I think there's more I can do with it. 00:41:02.515 --> 00:41:09.235 Once you've changed the wording for something in your mind, it almost changes 00:41:09.445 --> 00:41:14.635 how I think of that feature, even though I had, it's very similar intentions, 00:41:15.685 --> 00:41:17.215 the change of wording actually. 00:41:18.040 --> 00:41:21.910 Made me realize things I could be doing with it that I 00:41:21.910 --> 00:41:22.990 haven't really thought about. 00:41:23.020 --> 00:41:26.950 So it's, it's crazy how important copy is, right. 00:41:27.170 --> 00:41:28.450 Just like naming things. 00:41:28.480 --> 00:41:28.690 Is 00:41:29.417 --> 00:41:29.777 Mario: Yeah. 00:41:30.280 --> 00:41:34.120 Alan: it almost like frame some thinking in your mind that it closed? 00:41:34.180 --> 00:41:38.020 I may have even mentioned this before, but they just, by calling it one thing, 00:41:38.260 --> 00:41:41.020 you almost like build up barriers that it can't be something else. 00:41:41.087 --> 00:41:48.635 And I think by just renaming those things, workspace and projects, it, it reframes 00:41:48.635 --> 00:41:52.675 them different and they, they take on a different life or new life because they're 00:41:52.805 --> 00:41:58.145 less closeted or less like closed in as to what that thing thinker feature is. 00:41:58.625 --> 00:42:00.515 So it's actually quite, quite exciting. 00:42:00.515 --> 00:42:04.685 It's like, ah, yeah, this actually gives me a whole new set of ideas and 00:42:04.925 --> 00:42:09.455 that the trick now is not doing that, but just starting down that path, 00:42:09.455 --> 00:42:10.821 you know, like you know, trying to. 00:42:10.861 --> 00:42:14.221 Scope those changes to the fact that, okay, right now you've got projects. 00:42:14.221 --> 00:42:18.331 Just add to that move teams, change workspace, and then, okay. 00:42:18.331 --> 00:42:19.381 That step is done. 00:42:19.381 --> 00:42:20.371 Don't try to 00:42:21.241 --> 00:42:21.481 get 00:42:21.481 --> 00:42:22.051 onto this whole, 00:42:22.051 --> 00:42:22.291 well, I 00:42:22.419 --> 00:42:22.869 Mario: Do the whole 00:42:22.891 --> 00:42:24.301 Alan: until yeah, exactly. 00:42:24.301 --> 00:42:27.684 So but at least it then frames in other people's mind that 00:42:27.684 --> 00:42:29.274 there are other possibilities. 00:42:29.544 --> 00:42:31.944 I think by having teams, people 00:42:31.944 --> 00:42:34.374 assumed it has a limit, right? 00:42:34.494 --> 00:42:38.034 Oh, because teams are this and that's it. 00:42:38.904 --> 00:42:44.004 Whereas I think by having projects, it kind of is suggests that the 00:42:44.004 --> 00:42:45.264 feature will be taken further. 00:42:45.294 --> 00:42:45.624 Right. 00:42:45.658 --> 00:42:48.868 Because there's, you know, there's the possibility of interaction with other 00:42:48.868 --> 00:42:52.593 tools while you might have you know, you might want to import your projects 00:42:52.593 --> 00:42:54.993 from your PM tool or things like that. 00:42:54.993 --> 00:42:55.623 So there's. 00:42:57.033 --> 00:42:59.853 Yeah, it's really hammered home. 00:42:59.883 --> 00:43:03.699 Just how important getting these this naming stuff is writers. 00:43:03.789 --> 00:43:04.059 So, 00:43:05.042 --> 00:43:05.372 Mario: Yeah. 00:43:05.469 --> 00:43:06.609 Alan: I feel I'm on the right path anyway. 00:43:08.372 --> 00:43:09.602 Mario: I, yeah, I think so. 00:43:09.614 --> 00:43:10.604 And, and you're right. 00:43:10.844 --> 00:43:13.270 Naming things is one is really 00:43:13.270 --> 00:43:14.230 difficult, but it's, 00:43:14.230 --> 00:43:15.850 difficult, I think, because of 00:43:15.850 --> 00:43:18.980 the ramifications of naming something and, like you 00:43:18.980 --> 00:43:20.120 said, it kind of 00:43:20.120 --> 00:43:24.920 puts you in a mindset and it frames what that thing is, and 00:43:24.920 --> 00:43:26.360 it boxes you in. 00:43:26.360 --> 00:43:26.690 Right. 00:43:26.690 --> 00:43:27.980 so it's pretty critical 00:43:28.010 --> 00:43:28.970 naming things is, 00:43:28.970 --> 00:43:32.669 Alan: yeah, you've got shows, sessions recordings. 00:43:32.669 --> 00:43:33.179 And 00:43:34.619 --> 00:43:37.919 after the, after you figured it out, it all makes, it seems obvious, right? 00:43:37.919 --> 00:43:39.659 It's like, well, of course it's a, this or that. 00:43:39.659 --> 00:43:39.899 Right. 00:43:40.139 --> 00:43:42.209 But getting there is not as easy as it sounds. 00:43:42.767 --> 00:43:43.037 Mario: yeah. 00:43:43.037 --> 00:43:45.573 And oh man, I've changed it so many times. 00:43:45.573 --> 00:43:50.393 I, I, if I don't know, I don't even remember how many times I changed 00:43:50.393 --> 00:43:54.143 the structure of the organization of, things within Fusioncast. 00:43:54.165 --> 00:43:54.525 Cause, 00:43:54.607 --> 00:43:58.717 Yeah, I thought of one way and then it didn't work very well. 00:43:58.717 --> 00:44:00.407 And then at some point I 00:44:00.407 --> 00:44:00.827 had, 00:44:00.906 --> 00:44:02.976 Sessions all mixed into, 00:44:02.986 --> 00:44:07.086 into one place and I didn't have the concept of scheduled sessions 00:44:07.086 --> 00:44:11.346 and unscheduled sessions, which then later I renamed to any time sessions. 00:44:11.856 --> 00:44:12.126 Yeah. 00:44:12.216 --> 00:44:13.956 So many, so many 00:44:13.978 --> 00:44:17.488 Alan: But again, that idea of like an unscheduled session versus an 00:44:17.488 --> 00:44:18.868 anytime session is actually like, 00:44:19.288 --> 00:44:22.768 again, it changes how I even think about what that 00:44:22.768 --> 00:44:23.638 might be used for. 00:44:23.638 --> 00:44:23.968 Right. 00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:25.230 If I have like an, 00:44:25.230 --> 00:44:25.410 any 00:44:25.410 --> 00:44:25.860 time session. 00:44:25.890 --> 00:44:26.190 Oh yeah. 00:44:26.190 --> 00:44:27.510 Well, I'm just dropping it on the call. 00:44:27.510 --> 00:44:28.020 It makes sense. 00:44:28.020 --> 00:44:28.740 And unscheduled 00:44:28.740 --> 00:44:30.720 it's like, was I supposed to show you a late, 00:44:32.640 --> 00:44:34.080 it almost suggests that I'm doing 00:44:34.080 --> 00:44:35.340 something wrong by doing that. 00:44:35.370 --> 00:44:36.630 It's like, well, it's unscheduled. 00:44:36.630 --> 00:44:38.880 It might be, it should be scheduled, but I'm doing it wrong. 00:44:38.910 --> 00:44:39.150 Right. 00:44:39.420 --> 00:44:40.380 So it's 00:44:40.643 --> 00:44:44.276 Mario: yeah, yeah, I'm happy to hear your 00:44:44.311 --> 00:44:48.388 going down this path of renaming certain things and reorganizing things. 00:44:48.456 --> 00:44:53.286 I think that's gonna make the product more intuitive and position it better 00:44:53.286 --> 00:44:54.873 and make it easier for the user. 00:44:56.015 --> 00:44:58.305 just to understand what the tool does, you know? 00:44:59.019 --> 00:44:59.259 Alan: Yeah. 00:44:59.259 --> 00:44:59.289 I 00:44:59.289 --> 00:45:01.269 mean, my goal is To minimize 00:45:01.269 --> 00:45:02.679 the amount of additional 00:45:02.679 --> 00:45:03.969 explanation I need to do. 00:45:04.029 --> 00:45:05.767 I mean, I envisioned I'm 00:45:05.767 --> 00:45:08.677 going to have to have some amount of, you know, onscreen, 00:45:08.947 --> 00:45:10.657 you know, prompts and copy and things, 00:45:10.657 --> 00:45:13.927 but the, the hope is that yeah. 00:45:13.957 --> 00:45:16.095 People's What people understand when 00:45:16.095 --> 00:45:19.665 they see a particular page or phrase that they'll understand 00:45:19.665 --> 00:45:21.435 through the context of the name. 00:45:21.465 --> 00:45:25.635 And what's presented on the page rather than me having to have explainers and 00:45:26.205 --> 00:45:30.195 pointers and question marks all over the place, you know, I'd rather not do that. 00:45:30.645 --> 00:45:30.945 So 00:45:31.406 --> 00:45:32.366 Mario: Yeah, yeah. 00:45:32.966 --> 00:45:33.566 Cool. 00:45:33.874 --> 00:45:34.714 Well, anything else? 00:45:34.714 --> 00:45:35.194 you 00:45:35.194 --> 00:45:35.434 want to 00:45:35.471 --> 00:45:35.591 Alan: for 00:45:35.591 --> 00:45:35.831 now. 00:45:37.264 --> 00:45:37.774 Mario: That's it 00:45:37.961 --> 00:45:38.981 Alan: it for this week, it's 00:45:38.981 --> 00:45:41.752 been a been a busy one, but it feels like progress. 00:45:41.752 --> 00:45:41.962 Yeah. 00:45:41.992 --> 00:45:42.352 It's 00:45:42.409 --> 00:45:45.169 it does feel like things are constantly improving, so 00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:46.099 that's good. 00:45:46.099 --> 00:45:46.909 It's a long journey. 00:45:46.909 --> 00:45:48.199 This is not an overnight. 00:45:48.301 --> 00:45:49.231 It's not an overnight 00:45:49.369 --> 00:45:49.819 project. 00:45:49.819 --> 00:45:51.049 Is it either of 00:45:51.206 --> 00:45:55.108 Mario: It is not making software is not easy. 00:45:55.108 --> 00:45:57.443 I saw a tweet by Ian Landsman. 00:45:57.443 --> 00:45:58.703 I don't know if you're familiar with him. 00:45:58.703 --> 00:45:59.063 He's 00:45:59.108 --> 00:46:00.638 been around for awhile. 00:46:00.638 --> 00:46:06.729 He's started his SaaS some, I don't know, 20 years ago or however long. 00:46:06.729 --> 00:46:08.041 It is a long time ago. 00:46:08.067 --> 00:46:10.227 He so his company builds 00:46:10.309 --> 00:46:12.019 Help desk software, 00:46:12.201 --> 00:46:12.621 Alan: Okay. 00:46:12.889 --> 00:46:13.429 Mario: I think. 00:46:13.429 --> 00:46:16.531 UserScape is the name of the company, I can't remember now, but 00:46:16.501 --> 00:46:18.187 he's big in the Laravel community. 00:46:18.187 --> 00:46:23.698 He's he was actually one of the people who discovered Laravel in the early stages. 00:46:23.698 --> 00:46:26.939 And he hired Taylor Outwell who's the creator of Laravel. 00:46:26.959 --> 00:46:28.832 And so he's pretty well known in the community. 00:46:28.901 --> 00:46:32.204 he posted something on Twitter that said something like programmers, 00:46:32.142 --> 00:46:33.368 credo, we do these 00:46:33.368 --> 00:46:33.578 things. 00:46:33.910 --> 00:46:34.600 Not because 00:46:34.600 --> 00:46:36.910 they're easy, but because we thought they were 00:46:36.910 --> 00:46:37.960 going to be easy, 00:46:38.703 --> 00:46:39.303 Alan: That's exactly. 00:46:40.660 --> 00:46:41.800 Mario: I thought it was pretty funny. 00:46:42.640 --> 00:46:42.850 Yeah. 00:46:43.233 --> 00:46:43.743 Alan: Exactly. 00:46:45.573 --> 00:46:45.783 I know. 00:46:45.783 --> 00:46:47.763 You think well, it's how difficult can it be? 00:46:47.763 --> 00:46:50.643 You know, famous last words, 00:46:50.780 --> 00:46:51.260 Mario: yeah. 00:46:51.586 --> 00:46:54.316 Alan: I think that's what makes it fun though, is knowing that yeah. 00:46:54.343 --> 00:46:56.703 easy, you would probably wouldn't want to do it in the first place. 00:46:57.203 --> 00:46:57.593 Mario: Yeah, 00:46:57.653 --> 00:46:58.373 exactly. 00:46:58.400 --> 00:47:00.280 that's kinda how I feel about Fusioncast. 00:47:00.300 --> 00:47:02.670 if I had known it was going to be so challenging, I 00:47:02.670 --> 00:47:03.750 probably wouldn't have started. 00:47:03.750 --> 00:47:06.750 So it's a good thing that I didn't think about that. 00:47:06.750 --> 00:47:11.600 And didn't know that because otherwise I wouldn't have started it 00:47:11.880 --> 00:47:12.120 Alan: Yep. 00:47:13.378 --> 00:47:16.158 Mario: yeah, I just, just, got to keep going forward. 00:47:16.824 --> 00:47:17.334 Alan: Absolutely. 00:47:17.556 --> 00:47:17.916 Mario: Cool. 00:47:18.126 --> 00:47:18.546 Awesome. 00:47:19.490 --> 00:47:20.930 All right, Allen, this is probably a good. 00:47:20.930 --> 00:47:21.800 time to wrap it up. 00:47:21.864 --> 00:47:23.074 Have a great. 00:47:23.074 --> 00:47:25.809 rest of the week and I'll see You in a couple of weeks. 00:47:26.071 --> 00:47:26.731 Alan: catch you next time. 00:47:26.791 --> 00:47:27.181 Cheers man.