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Travis Bader: I am joined today by a
Chef Hunter and James Beard award-winning

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author whose work goes beyond the kitchen,
teaching others to hunt, butcher, and cook

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with a deeper connection to their food.

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Being a key part of the ATE crew, he's
dedicated to reviving loss skills.

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And challenging the way we think
about food and conservation.

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Welcome to the Silvercore
podcast, Jesse Griffiths.

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Thank you so much.

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Jesse Griffiths: I'm

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Travis Bader: very happy to be here.

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You know, I, uh, I got your
book here, the hog book.

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This was a gift.

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It's actually autographed by you.

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A buddy of mine, I was down in Austin,
Texas a few weeks ago, I guess a month and

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a bit ago, uh, for my very first hog hunt.

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And I, I've never seen a wild hog before.

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I still haven't seen a wild hog because
we didn't see any on our hunt, but, uh,

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Uh, Trevor from, uh, Man Bar, he's been on
the podcast before he makes a meat sticks.

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He's like, you gotta get,
you gotta read this book.

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I picked you up a copy.

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This guy, Jesse, he's phenomenal.

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He knows everything about hogs.

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And, uh, and here we are now I get
to chat with you and, and learn

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straight from the guru himself.

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Jesse Griffiths: Oh, well,
I'm disappointed my state did

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not produce a hog for you.

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Cause we have some here and
we have an excess of them.

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And I, I, I like, uh, I'd like to be
more, uh, amenable to, to visitors and

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get everybody basically at the airport.

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You need to, do you need to
check a hog on the way home?

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Yeah.

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Travis Bader: Well, we were able
to still hunt some white tail.

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That was pretty cool.

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That's awesome.

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Yeah, yeah, it was a
different experience for me.

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I've never hunted from a
stand over a feeder before.

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Uh, we saw lots of turkeys.

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Of course, turkeys weren't in season.

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I think I've seen more turkeys
than I've ever seen in my life.

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Uh, just coming down counting, I forget,
I lost count after about 80 or so is

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coming out of their roost trees and, uh,
but, but not one hog, uh, that was, uh,

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definitely going to have me coming back
down to Austin again, but that's something

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that you do is that you take people out
and you've been doing this for about

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what, 16 years, I think, teaching them.

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Hog hunt.

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What's that all about?

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Jesse Griffiths: Yeah.

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So that, that's the new
school of traditional cookery.

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Um, and there's two, two, two
kinds of classes that we offer.

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One would be the, uh, five day
class in which we do start to

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finish, you know, sighting in
guns all the way through a hunt.

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And typically that's going to be four
white tail and hogs, both in combination.

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Uh, and then we also do
a lot of day classes.

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Uh, so.

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Three to four hour class,
um, at the restaurant.

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Typically that's just, uh,
revolving around the butchery.

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Um, so we just break down usually
a hog and a deer like animal or

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maybe three hogs depending on what
the class is really focused on.

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Mm-hmm.

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Uh, and so it's just short form butchery
class and that one is super popular

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and we're actually kind of moving in
the direction of just doing those now.

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So, uh, for.

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For a decade and a half, pretty much, we
did take lots and lots of people hunting.

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We probably had about 500 people
come through that program.

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Uh, it was super fun.

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And, um, I'm kind of, uh, trying to
focus on how to talk to more people.

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And so These, these, these shorter day
classes that have, uh, more people in

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them are kind of the route that I'm
wanting to take right now, which is just

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a straight up butchery class, how to
deal with and cook feral hogs and deer.

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Um, we do some conceptual stuff around
the, um, you know, field dressing

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and chilling and all that too.

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So, uh, anything education related I,
I'm, I'm pretty excited about and we've

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been doing that for quite, quite a while.

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Travis Bader: Well, what drives that?

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I mean, you talk a little bit, you talk a
lot about the, what of what you do of the,

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I mean, this book you have just on hogs.

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I can't believe how many recipes
you have in here and how much

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knowledge is inside here in history.

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And I mean, if anyone is
interested in the topic, this

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is, I would say the Bible on it.

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Um, but.

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The why, um, why, why do you do this?

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What is it that drives you?

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Jesse Griffiths: I think that, I mean,
we all, we all enjoy certain things.

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You know, I I've been in, I've been
in restaurants since I was very young

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and enjoyed that for a long time.

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I mean, there's a lot of.

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Uh, dedication, a lot of hard
work, a lot of creativity, uh,

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that can go into restaurant life.

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And for some people,
that's really appealing.

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Um, you know, part of the way through my
restaurant career, I really discovered

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that, that I like teaching the most.

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I love interacting with people.

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I'm very curious and I'm, I would
also never consider myself to

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be correct about anything ever.

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Um.

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Well, there's a few
things breakfast sausage.

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Uh,

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yeah, there's probably a couple
more things, but I try not to have

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really adamant stances on things.

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Um, and I think that that really dovetails
into, um, just like liking to teach.

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And I like to listen
to people's questions.

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And I've always said that the book
you're holding, the hog book, uh,

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It is a compilation of answers.

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It's, it's big book.

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I mean, it might be in the realm of like
a textbook on feral hogs and how to,

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how to consume them if you choose to.

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Um, and it really, it was about a decade
plus of answering people's questions

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about feral hogs and feral hogs have
a, there's a lot of questions around

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them, I mean, from, or statements, you
know, like first they're not edible.

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And it's like, well, that's not true.

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Um, here's the cover page, the hog
book, they are edible, you know, and

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the next would be, you know, you can't
even if they're over this size and

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that's like, well, that also is not,
not entirely correct in my experience.

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And, and, and so that, that became,
um, kind of this, this quest in how

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to, how does one convey that knowledge?

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Um, And, and just figured out like some
simple strategies around hogs, but it's,

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it is the teaching that I really enjoy,
um, and communicating, um, with people.

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And I think that like really
listening to people's needs

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around, uh, butchering and cooking.

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And understanding where they're
at, uh, is, is really important.

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And I, I enjoy that.

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Like if somebody is saying, you know,
I, I'm having trouble cooking this, it's

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always coming out very dry and I'll be
like, well, like, are you, I'm in Texas.

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And if, if somebody says cook
something, it usually means they're

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putting on a smoker and I'll be
like, are you using a smoker?

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And they're like, yeah.

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And I'm like, yeah, that's probably why.

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You know, it's probably because
you're applying dry heat.

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And then they say, well,
I don't understand.

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What does that, you know, like, well,
you've got a very lean meat and you're

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applying a very lean, dry heat to that.

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And what are the things
that you normally smoke?

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Uh, brisket and ribs and sausage.

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Like what?

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What do those three things have in common?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So you're starting to, if I love like
working through it and explaining things

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and just, and not just, you know, teach a
man to fish style, you know, man, a fish,

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you know, it's just like each Amanda fish.

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Uh, and I think that's really cool.

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And, uh, and I've really enjoyed it
and I've learned a lot, you know,

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some, sometimes people will be like,
what if you did this with that cut?

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And I'm like, Oh.

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That's a really good idea.

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I love that.

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Or, you know, when you're breaking
down a deer, why didn't you, why

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don't you start from this end or
like do this on the tailgate instead?

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And that's a fantastic idea.

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So if you're, if you're willing to
learn, I think you can retain the

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ability to teach almost indefinitely.

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Travis Bader: Well, where did that
passion for teaching come from?

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Were you a great student?

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Did you have great teachers?

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Jesse Griffiths: I had some,
I had some great teachers.

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I would definitely say that.

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I mean, I came from the
Texas public school system.

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Is what it is.

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And there were some really dedicated
teachers in there and I always loved them.

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In fact, it's really funny you say that.

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I just sent a copy of that
book to my high school English

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teacher, which is a real flex.

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I'm like, Hey, this book, uh, James
Beard Award and you were my high

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school English teacher and you
probably did not think that I was

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ever going to do anything like that.

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Uh, I mean, so that,
that felt really good.

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She was a wonderful teacher.

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Jane Welborn, Mrs. Jane Welborn.

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Mrs. Welborn.

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Jane Welborn.

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Jane Welborn.

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Thank you, Mrs. Wellborn.

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You were amazing.

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Um, and Yeah, I mean, there were,
there were those teachers that really,

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and I never even thought about it.

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I think that's a very, very good
question that you just posed.

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Um, and, and that maybe
that did inspire me.

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Just to see the difference, because
unfortunately, I mean, to be perfectly

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frank, there was also very bad teachers.

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Or ones that I was just
completely uninspired by.

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Um, and then the people that
were dedicated to teaching.

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Um, I don't know, I couldn't
identify what it is.

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about it that I, that I love.

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But I just do.

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Um, you know, I like doing demonstrations.

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I like talking to people.

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In all our classes, I, the, one of
the first things I say, oh, I'm like,

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there's snacks and drinks over there.

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The bathroom's right there.

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Ask questions as soon
as you think of them.

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Like, do not hesitate.

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Don't wait till the end.

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This is a Q and a process from minute one,

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Travis Bader: and I

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Jesse Griffiths: really want you
and sometimes somebody raise their

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hand right there and I'm like, you
need to slow a little bit down,

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but it's very, I love the engagement
because it just like it keeps

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it flowing and it really allows.

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Whoever's teaching to develop
more empathy for the people asking

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questions, and I can almost guarantee
you that any question I'm asking in a

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class now has been previously asked.

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And so I usually have a pretty
codified answer ready for them,

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like, Oh, yes, great question.

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You definitely want to do
this, this, and then that, or

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like, I don't know the answer.

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Let's think it out, you know, or
I'll try to do some research and

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figure it out by the next class,
which is just makes them build.

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And the funny thing about these
classes is they used to be three hours.

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Now they're almost four and it's,
it's just accumulating answers really.

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Just like, just like I said, it's just.

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Somebody will ask another good question.

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I'll be like, that's a good question.

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It deserves an answer.

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And then we just increased
the class time by two minutes.

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And if you do that over the years and
all of a sudden, you know, when they

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walk in, they signed up for three
hour class and I have to say to them.

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Listen, I mean, I know you're probably
okay with it going long, but like,

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if you've got plans or babysitters or
something like that, I just want to be

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very upfront in this class is now easily
three and a half, probably three hours

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and 45 minutes versus the advertised three
hours, which, you know, people love it.

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That's great value.

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People are like, well, I
paid this much money for it.

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It's like better,

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Travis Bader: better deal.

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So yeah, I'm always, I'm always
surprised when people are like, I

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don't know, time's clock's ticking.

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I got to get out of here.

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It's like, okay, sure.

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Fair enough.

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You, you paid your, you're good.

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You know, we're talking,
uh, off air ahead of this.

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And I just kind of took a stab in the
dark as to, uh, what your school life

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might've been like, just maybe putting
some of my own, uh, experiences in there.

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So I've got ADHD school life for me was.

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Rough, rough to say the least.

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I remember by grade seven, I had
a desk at the back of the class

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where I was allowed to go back
and they had candy bars in there.

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If I ever felt distracted and I needed
time to myself, which I never used,

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cause I was too embarrassed to, I
had a desk in the hallway and another

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desk in the principal's office.

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And there was an escalating
desk situation for me.

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And, um, I saw a meme recently and
it says for all those people out

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there with ADHD who had a desk in the
hallway, got one question for you.

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What kind of business did you start?

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And I got a chuckle out of that
because sure enough, I started a

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business and my business I started
was in education, kind of like you.

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And for the person who hated school
and did so poorly going through it,

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I find it funny that I enjoy working
with other people and teaching people.

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Does that sound.

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Somewhat similar to you.

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Yeah,

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Jesse Griffiths: very much.

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So like one of my favorite days of my
life was the last day of high school.

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And I was just like, I do not love
this situation and I never went back.

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I did not go to college.

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I couldn't, I couldn't,
just couldn't sit down.

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And, uh, take notes and things like that.

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So it just went out, did things instead.

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So absolutely.

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I understand it.

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And I think that I really wish there
was better pathways set for that

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type of learning or more, um, hands
on, uh, almost mechanical learning

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and, and, and things that, you know,
just to trade, you know, for people.

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They could immediately go do that rather
than kind of a more, a more pat and,

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uh, uh, expectation driven, uh, pathway
to education, you know, for, for people

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that, you know, there's a lot of, you
know, maybe you and I right here, like,

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you know, that's perfectly capable to
do things, but, but not, not within

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the traditional realms of education.

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Travis Bader: Yeah.

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I remember I had a, uh, Mr.
Latimer, what was his first name?

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I'm trying to remember.

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Uh, he was an English teacher
and man, he had this book.

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He had us all read called Shula's Joe and
the, the book field of dreams was based

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on the book, Shula's Joe by WP Kinsella.

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And we had this.

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Big report that we had to do on this.

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And in typical ADHD fashion, I didn't do
any of the work and the clock's ticking

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and we had this massive report we had to
do on the author and it was coming up.

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And so I did a bit of research and
apparently the author was local.

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And so I'm like, well, I don't know.

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I like puzzles and I like to find
ways around things ethically and,

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and, and properly to get around stuff.

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Why don't I just track the author down?

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And have a conversation with him.

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And it turned out he lived in hope, or at
least that's where the last address was.

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It had a forwarding number over to White
Rock, which is my neck of the woods,

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which then forwarded me over, I think
was Florida where he was vacationing.

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So I did my whole book report
while this guy was on the

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beach and talking with him and.

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I think it was his girlfriend,
even though I think is, uh,

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the book said he was married.

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So it was, uh, it was
an interesting report.

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I got a lot of information that
wasn't, uh, publicly available

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or out in the public domain.

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And this is pre like internet
times, but, um, you know, having.

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Having the ADHD or the high
energy or liking to solve

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problems in a different way.

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It doesn't mean we can't do the problem.

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It just means we have a
completely different way of

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kind of, of, of approaching it.

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And I look at, I look at what you you're
doing and you've taken a completely

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different way of approaching something
that's been done a lot before, but

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you're taking a completely different
twist with the conservation and the

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wild food and, and how you're connecting
people with their natural environment.

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Which is really cool.

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Jesse Griffiths: Right.

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I mean, just like what you just said
is like, you would, it didn't seem like

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you saved any time or effort in going.

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And I mean, just even geographically,
you, you spend a lot of time and

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burned a lot of gas just to do it.

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Probably the most effective way is just
to get a little face to face, uh, time and

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to truly understand it rather than reading
a lot of, of notes and trying to decipher

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and then just almost regurgitate that.

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So I can appreciate
that story quite a bit.

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It's pretty cool.

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Travis Bader: Well, you've got
an interesting connection with

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your, your local environment too.

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And I remember.

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When I was looking through some of
your work and listening to some of your

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podcasts, I think you mentioned in one
that you've never eaten black bear before.

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I

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Jesse Griffiths: have
never hunted black bear.

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I've, I've tried it a couple of times.

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Travis Bader: Okay.

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So you have hunt, you've never hunted
black bear, and I think you said that you

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didn't have any desire to hunt black bear.

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And I think the reasoning was given
that you didn't have a desire to hunt.

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Kind of outside of your
area code more or less.

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Jesse Griffiths: Yeah.

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I mean, it's a little,
yeah, for the most part.

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Um, I mean, and I want to be super clear.

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I'm not opposed to hunting
black bears whatsoever.

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I would go on a black bear hunt
with a local, uh, that to me would

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be like the, the best experience.

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This is like somebody from
an area, um, like harvesting

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a resource from their area.

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That said, I, I mean, I
do travel a little bit.

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I've softened a bit on that,
but mostly around, around

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birds, specifically turkeys.

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And I do kind of, uh, enjoy.

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Uh, travel a little bit, but I almost
feel like with turkeys, I've what I've

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come to do, and this might be a bit of
a digression from your question is I

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turkeys afford me the ability to travel.

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And visit new places through the lens
of turkey hunting, which is something

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that I really, really love to do.

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And I feel, and that's the whole, the
turkey book is kind of about that.

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Travis Bader: You

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Jesse Griffiths: can go to a place
and experience it in a really,

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uh, specific, uh, acute way.

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Uh, And and turkey hunt there so
you get to see the trees you get

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to see the topography you get to
experience the weather you Get

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to experience the local people.

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There's going to be some history
intertwined With turkey and

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I love history in general.

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So, you know when i'm passing over
a river with somebody from that area

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I'm, like what's up with this river

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Travis Bader: like what's?

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Jesse Griffiths: What do you do with it?

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You know, what's, what's
growing over here?

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That's wheat.

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Okay.

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Well, where does it go?

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Travis Bader: Like, right.

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Jesse Griffiths: Like, so I, I, I, I feel
like in a way I, I've started traveling,

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uh, and taking other people's resources,
which, uh, it's, which is kind of hard

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for me that the trade off is like, you
know, I, I hope to go to Nebraska again.

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That's good.

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And, and take a turkey.

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So everybody from Nebraska, may
I have one, a turkey this year?

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But like, Oh, they're like, Oh, I
need to ask, um, things like that.

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But, you know, mostly like I would
say big game things like elk and, and

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bears and especially moose and caribou.

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It's like, to me, it's fascinating.

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And if I ever got the
opportunity, I would go with.

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But I would probably just want
to sit back and then, you know,

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I'll help you drag it out and I'll
definitely help you cut it up.

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And I will most certainly
help you cook it.

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Or you can tell me how you do it and
how people in this area like to do it.

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And that, to me, that's
almost more fascinating.

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But I mean, if you have an entire
restaurant based off of the ethos of

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local resources and only using those.

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So it's, I mean, it's a, it's a
dynamic thing and with anything else,

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like, like anything else with age,
sometimes it changes a bit, but I

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still have, have kind of stuck to that.

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Um, and not to mention I live
in Texas, which is just a

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terrible, a total playground.

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Like, I mean, like you were just saying,
like, you know, you've got giant flocks

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of wintering turkeys coming off a roost
and you've got whitetail and trust me,

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there was hogs in the neighborhood.

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They probably just weren't
coming out till night.

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Travis Bader: Oh, I, oh yeah, no,
I saw a sign everywhere, but we

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just didn't see any coming out.

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Jesse Griffiths: Uh, and so, I mean,
I have endless opportunities here.

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Um, and, and I think it's just like
such a, a lush environment that, that.

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And sometimes those, you know, take
like a Colorado elk tag seems to be

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very desired and I don't want to put
my name in that hat, you know, right.

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Yeah.

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I couldn't,

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Travis Bader: I couldn't believe it.

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So we went down, um,
butcher the animal up.

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Corded it up, put it in bags and,
uh, I should back up a little.

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So we still hunted a couple
of white tails and, um, that

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was, uh, that was interesting.

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I mean, still hunting in Texas, at least
my short experience down there is a lot

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easier than up here in British Columbia.

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Uh, it seemed to be a lot more abundant
game and, um, I don't know if it was just.

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Got lucky or the time of
the year, what it was.

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But, uh, I could easily see archery
hunting for whitetail from the ground,

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uh, as opposed to over here in BC, my
attempts at archery hunting have been,

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uh, I mean, the, the deer are always
farther away than you'd like, and

00:20:33.539 --> 00:20:38.599
they're always pretty skittish, but,
uh, we took it to a, um, uh, there's

00:20:38.599 --> 00:20:39.999
this drive through butcher store.

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I think it's been around since
like the fifties or sixties in, uh,

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in Austin there, some old place.

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It was so cool.

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There's all these pickup trucks
going in and they've got, some

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have just gutted their animals.

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Some, I don't even think they, I don't
even know if they gutted them actually.

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We're not trying to, trying to think.

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And these guys just run in,
they take them out of the back.

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They tag them up, then they point at the
wall and they say, well, what do you want?

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And you can have your meat all
processed in different ways.

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But they also had a picture of all the
different types of animals that the.

00:21:08.795 --> 00:21:12.195
Process that they have in, in
Texas air, you guys got everything.

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And then some, I mean, I guess people
are bringing in animals from Africa.

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And I mean, I couldn't believe the amount
of game that you guys have over there.

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Jesse Griffiths: Yeah.

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I mean, it's a really interesting
dynamic in that you have a

00:21:23.914 --> 00:21:26.474
high volume of private land.

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Almost, it's ninety seven,
ninety six, ninety seven percent.

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And then that, that remaining,
um, bit of public land, only a

00:21:36.800 --> 00:21:38.230
fraction of that can be hunted.

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So, most hunting here is done like
that, and like you were saying, it's

00:21:42.060 --> 00:21:44.390
a very blind and feeder situation.

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So you're sitting in a, in an enclosed
blind, and there's a timed feeder.

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Ninety plus percent of
hunting takes place like that.

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So you have your, your native
species, the whitetail.

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Um, quail, turkey, uh, and then on
top of that, you have introduced

00:22:00.264 --> 00:22:05.375
species like your feral hog, uh, which
is in basically every county now.

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And then on top of that, you have game
ranches that are high fence that have

00:22:10.375 --> 00:22:14.234
whatever it is on the menu, anything,
a giraffe, you know, and like the

00:22:14.234 --> 00:22:15.825
really kind of crazy end of that.

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Right.

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And then you have a lot of, um,
I would call them nativized.

00:22:21.290 --> 00:22:24.510
Uh, animals that have, have come
in and over the last, you know,

00:22:24.570 --> 00:22:26.320
maybe up to a hundred years.

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Um, the hog's been up here
for maybe four hundred years.

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Right.

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Around four hundred.

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Um, so I mean they're, they're
pretty well established.

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But then you have these other
animals like your Nilgai.

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Access Deer and your Audad,
in particular those three that

00:22:43.920 --> 00:22:46.580
regionally have become pretty common.

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Um, and so it doesn't, you know, I
want to be clear for people from,

00:22:51.020 --> 00:22:54.939
from other places, it doesn't have
to be like a high fence, uh, kind

00:22:54.939 --> 00:22:58.429
of game ranch situation where you
might run into one of those things.

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In fact, My daughter shot
an odd dad the other day.

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It was the first one the landowner
had ever seen on the property.

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He really didn't want them there
because of their competitive

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nature with the, with the deer.

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And so, uh, you do have these crazy
opportunities that spring up like that.

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And, and it, yes, while that is
an amazing opportunity and it's

00:23:16.940 --> 00:23:18.420
good, but it's also an invasive.

00:23:19.084 --> 00:23:23.225
And, and the, in some land stewards
eyes, they're like, we want all these

00:23:23.225 --> 00:23:26.405
things out of here because they're,
we're already dealing with hogs,

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Travis Bader: right?

00:23:27.494 --> 00:23:28.494
Jesse Griffiths: We're
going to deal with all that.

00:23:28.494 --> 00:23:30.395
And then we might have to
deal with access as well.

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And regionally, you could be dealing with
all three of those things while you're

00:23:34.194 --> 00:23:36.284
just trying to, for one reason or another.

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Maintain a, an appropriate and
balanced whitetail population, which is

00:23:41.965 --> 00:23:45.335
central Texas, the highest population
of whitetail deer in the world.

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That's crazy.

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Yeah.

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And in some situations you will see
a lot of deer, like you just see

00:23:52.425 --> 00:23:56.835
a bunch of them, um, and it's very
common to see lots and lots of deer.

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Travis Bader: What do the
access deer do to the whitetail?

00:24:00.115 --> 00:24:02.465
I mean, I would think that the
whitetail would be a more aggressive

00:24:02.465 --> 00:24:05.695
species and want to drive them
out or is it the other way around?

00:24:06.045 --> 00:24:06.335
Jesse Griffiths: Yeah.

00:24:06.365 --> 00:24:11.115
So the, the access really proliferated in
the hill country and then west of there.

00:24:11.115 --> 00:24:16.245
So that's kind of a very limestone, rocky
area, very dry, except for the river, like

00:24:16.255 --> 00:24:20.285
riparian areas that are flowing through
there where they're very lush, crystal

00:24:20.285 --> 00:24:26.095
clear limestone streams, very, very
rocky, hilly, um, almost semi arid, you

00:24:26.095 --> 00:24:27.565
know, especially in drought situations.

00:24:27.695 --> 00:24:31.385
So, uh, the deer run
pretty small out there.

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Um, Compared to, you know, a
Midwest whitetail, maybe parts

00:24:36.255 --> 00:24:38.905
of Canada or even South Texas.

00:24:38.985 --> 00:24:46.885
Um, and so an axis can be maybe 50 to a
hundred percent larger than a whitetail.

00:24:47.194 --> 00:24:51.784
And then their, their feeding patterns
are just, they're more just proactive.

00:24:51.945 --> 00:24:53.695
You know, they, they eat everything.

00:24:53.784 --> 00:24:54.264
And.

00:24:54.695 --> 00:24:59.245
And they run in larger groups, and so
they can really out compete Whitetail.

00:24:59.245 --> 00:25:02.815
I'm not, uh, like, up on all the
science and terminology around

00:25:02.835 --> 00:25:06.445
Axis versus Whitetail, but any
land manager will tell you that,

00:25:06.455 --> 00:25:09.784
that Axis will dominate Whitetail.

00:25:10.024 --> 00:25:13.294
And then in situations where you
have feeders, things like that.

00:25:13.304 --> 00:25:16.115
The hogs will definitely
dominate those a lot.

00:25:16.125 --> 00:25:18.495
You know, they tend to run, run deer off.

00:25:18.995 --> 00:25:23.014
Um, and so then you've got two, it's
very common to have those two competing

00:25:23.014 --> 00:25:27.224
species along with the white tail and
not to mention the damage they do to

00:25:27.224 --> 00:25:29.625
all the other species, like songbirds.

00:25:30.135 --> 00:25:32.515
Um, quail, turkeys, things like that.

00:25:32.545 --> 00:25:38.284
And then we're not even considering the
water quality topsoil and the, and the

00:25:38.314 --> 00:25:40.655
flora impact that those animals have.

00:25:41.085 --> 00:25:41.535
Travis Bader: Right.

00:25:42.095 --> 00:25:42.265
Yeah.

00:25:42.265 --> 00:25:47.434
Here in BC, we always hear hunters
talking about the, uh, the hogs in BC and

00:25:47.465 --> 00:25:50.315
invasive species, and they're taken over.

00:25:50.905 --> 00:25:52.905
I don't know one hunter
who's ever seen one.

00:25:53.284 --> 00:25:54.225
I'm sure they're out there.

00:25:54.225 --> 00:25:57.165
I'm sure there's people out there
that have seen them, but I've yet

00:25:57.175 --> 00:26:01.835
meet face to face with one who's
actually seen a wild hog out there.

00:26:02.345 --> 00:26:07.575
We have them listed as a schedule C
animal, which is an invasive species.

00:26:08.210 --> 00:26:11.000
You need a hunting license, but
you don't need, there's no bag

00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:14.090
limit and you don't need to get
tags in order to, uh, to hunt them.

00:26:15.950 --> 00:26:17.330
But I can't think of anyone.

00:26:17.330 --> 00:26:20.810
I, I can't, I can't recall
any time ever seeing one.

00:26:20.810 --> 00:26:24.679
And this is, you know, for years I've
been hearing about these hogs in BC.

00:26:24.710 --> 00:26:27.350
So I should imagine that if they are.

00:26:27.835 --> 00:26:31.785
Going to proliferate in BC,
they're taking their sweet time, or

00:26:31.785 --> 00:26:34.645
maybe the cold is kind of keeping
them all, keeping them down.

00:26:35.594 --> 00:26:39.385
Jesse Griffiths: Well, it'd be, it would
be a very good case study to follow, uh,

00:26:39.554 --> 00:26:43.274
the trajectory of hogs in colder areas.

00:26:43.274 --> 00:26:45.324
And it does seem to have slowed them down.

00:26:45.324 --> 00:26:50.795
If you look at a map of their spread,
the Southeast being just like the obvious

00:26:50.795 --> 00:26:56.614
place, water, food, and cover versus
the West where, you know, the, the,

00:26:56.795 --> 00:27:00.345
You know, it's going to be a strange
day when that first Montana elk hunter,

00:27:00.395 --> 00:27:05.195
you know, spots a sounder of wild pigs
on the other side of the mountain, but

00:27:05.205 --> 00:27:09.814
I mean, it's conceivable, but I think
that there's, there's enough components

00:27:09.814 --> 00:27:12.054
there to slow that spread because.

00:27:12.740 --> 00:27:16.879
It has, you know, if you look where
they're at, it's, you know, Texas, we have

00:27:16.879 --> 00:27:18.889
half of them here in the United States.

00:27:18.909 --> 00:27:22.699
The population, about half the
population resides here, the rest of

00:27:22.699 --> 00:27:24.989
it being spread out in the Southeast.

00:27:25.430 --> 00:27:27.720
Um, and then California as well.

00:27:29.080 --> 00:27:32.620
Um, I it does seem that the
cold has slowed them slightly.

00:27:32.749 --> 00:27:37.160
Uh, It'd be just, I think, very
interesting to keep an eye on what it

00:27:37.160 --> 00:27:42.359
takes to slow their spread because Texas
now has, I mean, every county they have

00:27:42.360 --> 00:27:48.350
documented sightings of hogs and some, you
know, there's just tons and tons of them.

00:27:48.429 --> 00:27:51.279
You know, I've, I've seen quite a
few hogs in the past couple weeks.

00:27:51.879 --> 00:27:54.600
Um, you know, I've seen
one, two, three, four, five.

00:27:54.780 --> 00:27:58.889
Yeah, we hunted a total of four days
and I've seen five hogs killed in

00:27:58.899 --> 00:28:01.280
those days, all of them very large.

00:28:01.495 --> 00:28:03.005
You know, so you don't ever

00:28:03.005 --> 00:28:05.505
Travis Bader: see a time when
they're eradicated in Texas to you.

00:28:07.399 --> 00:28:10.870
Jesse Griffiths: No, they tend
to, they respond to pressure

00:28:10.870 --> 00:28:12.400
in really interesting ways.

00:28:12.540 --> 00:28:17.130
Um, so that if you hunt them a lot,
the, you might have a population move

00:28:17.170 --> 00:28:21.100
out of the area where they might go
nocturnal, which is typically their,

00:28:21.120 --> 00:28:23.510
their first phase is they'll go nocturnal.

00:28:24.020 --> 00:28:29.395
Um, And then if, if you have a very high
population, they might just stick around.

00:28:30.355 --> 00:28:33.704
Don't have a ton of them, then even,
and then you start hunting them at

00:28:33.704 --> 00:28:36.035
night, you know, with thermals and
night vision, things like that.

00:28:36.505 --> 00:28:40.185
You could probably push them out
a little bit, but it fluctuates.

00:28:40.205 --> 00:28:45.125
And I think that's the compelling,
interesting and frustrating thing about

00:28:45.135 --> 00:28:49.625
hogs is that they don't follow any rules.

00:28:49.800 --> 00:28:56.850
Like there's patterns and they
tend to do this a lot of times, but

00:28:56.850 --> 00:29:01.600
they never ever do what you think
or want them to do consistently.

00:29:01.969 --> 00:29:05.869
They're consistently inconsistent
in that they, you know, you, you

00:29:05.870 --> 00:29:07.879
could think, Oh, they're going to
be down on these river bottoms.

00:29:07.879 --> 00:29:10.030
And then at noon, they're
out in the middle of a field.

00:29:10.030 --> 00:29:12.709
And then I've never seen
them out there before.

00:29:12.709 --> 00:29:14.090
This is the strangest thing.

00:29:14.510 --> 00:29:14.740
Travis Bader: It keeps

00:29:14.740 --> 00:29:14.810
Jesse Griffiths: it

00:29:14.870 --> 00:29:15.429
Travis Bader: interesting.

00:29:15.439 --> 00:29:15.689
Hey.

00:29:16.285 --> 00:29:16.955
Jesse Griffiths: Definitely.

00:29:17.705 --> 00:29:20.675
But if you're in the business of
eradication or at least control,

00:29:21.545 --> 00:29:23.745
interesting, it's probably not
the word that you're choosing.

00:29:24.375 --> 00:29:28.705
So, uh, I, I think, yeah, they're,
they're, they're fascinating in that.

00:29:28.705 --> 00:29:30.385
And I mean, that's kind of rule one.

00:29:30.385 --> 00:29:33.265
It's just like you, you have
to accept the fact that they're

00:29:33.324 --> 00:29:34.874
extremely hard to pattern.

00:29:35.295 --> 00:29:38.524
They don't really ever do, uh, what
you think they're going to do and

00:29:38.524 --> 00:29:39.914
they can kind of just come and go.

00:29:39.914 --> 00:29:41.134
These populations.

00:29:41.960 --> 00:29:43.500
You might think that they're gone.

00:29:43.510 --> 00:29:44.470
Maybe they are gone.

00:29:44.680 --> 00:29:45.120
Maybe they're not.

00:29:45.180 --> 00:29:46.520
Maybe they just went nocturnal.

00:29:46.550 --> 00:29:48.540
Maybe they just moved
on to the next property.

00:29:48.540 --> 00:29:51.600
Maybe it got dry after year two
of the drought and they're just

00:29:51.610 --> 00:29:54.530
more concentrated on river areas.

00:29:54.850 --> 00:29:58.369
Um, you know, maybe there's a, a
agricultural crop that's about to

00:29:58.369 --> 00:30:00.739
come in a mile to your north and
you're gonna have a bunch of them

00:30:00.740 --> 00:30:02.640
pass through there for a week or two.

00:30:02.640 --> 00:30:05.135
You know, it's just
It's all over the place.

00:30:05.135 --> 00:30:06.925
No set breeding seasons.

00:30:07.665 --> 00:30:10.815
Um, they really, you know, they're
responding to food, mostly, you

00:30:10.815 --> 00:30:12.795
know, food and safety at that point.

00:30:12.795 --> 00:30:20.064
So, but hunting pressure can put them down
and get them really, really, um, spooked.

00:30:21.405 --> 00:30:24.354
Like they respond to
that very, very quickly.

00:30:25.074 --> 00:30:27.004
Travis Bader: So they've got, uh.

00:30:27.300 --> 00:30:32.960
Possible carriers of brucellosis,
pseudorabies, trichinosis.

00:30:32.960 --> 00:30:34.190
I think there's one more in there.

00:30:34.990 --> 00:30:35.560
Maybe that's it.

00:30:35.560 --> 00:30:36.169
Did

00:30:36.170 --> 00:30:37.140
Jesse Griffiths: you say tularemia?

00:30:37.220 --> 00:30:38.010
Travis Bader: I didn't say that one.

00:30:38.010 --> 00:30:38.270
No.

00:30:38.460 --> 00:30:38.970
What's that one?

00:30:40.189 --> 00:30:43.839
Jesse Griffiths: That's the, I believe
that's the rabbit, uh, infection.

00:30:44.400 --> 00:30:48.960
Uh, but the ones that really concerned
with would be brucellosis and trichinosis.

00:30:48.970 --> 00:30:49.870
All those are concerning.

00:30:50.090 --> 00:30:50.530
Don't get me wrong.

00:30:50.550 --> 00:30:55.400
Some scientists be like, sir, you
don't want to get any of those.

00:30:55.970 --> 00:30:58.370
Um, but yes, they can carry those things.

00:30:58.410 --> 00:31:01.570
Um, in my experience, it's fairly rare.

00:31:01.570 --> 00:31:06.940
And I hear of, you know, I'm very
interested in those types of infections

00:31:07.009 --> 00:31:11.780
and crossover into humans, and it's
something that I haven't heard.

00:31:11.990 --> 00:31:15.160
Much of it's been years since
I've heard of Bruce Losa's case.

00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:18.790
It was one person, uh, not to
say that doesn't happen, but

00:31:18.800 --> 00:31:20.130
I mean, it is, it is possible.

00:31:20.140 --> 00:31:21.870
We serve feral hog in our restaurant.

00:31:23.165 --> 00:31:27.315
So, I mean, it is, it's, it is possible
to get it into the food supply.

00:31:28.035 --> 00:31:30.845
Um, but that's, that
is a regulated system.

00:31:30.985 --> 00:31:36.015
So we, we get trapped hogs that are, that
are transported to a licensed facility.

00:31:36.025 --> 00:31:39.045
It either has to be USDA or the
Texas department of agriculture

00:31:39.574 --> 00:31:40.854
with an inspector on site.

00:31:41.355 --> 00:31:42.675
He sees the animal.

00:31:44.135 --> 00:31:44.805
anti mortem.

00:31:45.045 --> 00:31:45.645
They kill it.

00:31:45.965 --> 00:31:50.095
He does a post mortem inspection
and, uh, then okays that animal

00:31:50.105 --> 00:31:51.455
for entering the food supply.

00:31:51.695 --> 00:31:55.205
And so that's the only way
that we can currently do that.

00:31:55.205 --> 00:31:57.354
And I think that's a good,
that's a good protocol.

00:31:57.845 --> 00:32:03.965
Um, but then that, that really
helps with the, um, you know, if

00:32:03.965 --> 00:32:05.134
they're carrying any of those.

00:32:05.925 --> 00:32:09.465
You know, and then there's a lot of
freezing and cooking to temp beyond that.

00:32:09.895 --> 00:32:14.035
Travis Bader: So I was listening to
another podcast that you're on, I

00:32:14.035 --> 00:32:20.045
think you mentioned that you'll wear
gloves when, uh, initially dressing

00:32:20.045 --> 00:32:23.364
out the animal, but when it's on
your counter and you're working on

00:32:23.365 --> 00:32:24.689
it, you don't tend to wear gloves.

00:32:24.900 --> 00:32:25.890
Did I hear that correctly?

00:32:26.150 --> 00:32:27.040
Jesse Griffiths: That's correct, yes.

00:32:27.080 --> 00:32:31.900
Like reproductive and digestive organs,
uh, in the field stuff, uh, typically,

00:32:32.080 --> 00:32:33.940
not typically, I always wear gloves.

00:32:33.940 --> 00:32:37.829
I, the other day, um, you know, I, I
cleaned all these hogs in the couple

00:32:37.829 --> 00:32:41.099
weeks, past couple weeks, um, I, I insist.

00:32:41.100 --> 00:32:43.559
And if anybody's with me,
I'm like, here's some gloves.

00:32:43.560 --> 00:32:44.440
I carry gloves.

00:32:44.820 --> 00:32:45.120
Right.

00:32:45.830 --> 00:32:49.910
Rifle check, water, check,
gloves, check, knife check.

00:32:49.940 --> 00:32:54.020
You know, it's just something that
I'm definitely going to have, uh, with

00:32:54.020 --> 00:32:58.490
me is, is a pair of, at least a pair,
probably more like a box of gloves.

00:32:58.670 --> 00:32:58.970
Right.

00:32:59.360 --> 00:32:59.810
Dealing with them.

00:32:59.810 --> 00:33:00.020
Yeah.

00:33:00.490 --> 00:33:03.850
Travis Bader: Well, how are, how
are these, uh, diseases transmitted?

00:33:03.880 --> 00:33:05.110
Is it more of a blood.

00:33:05.865 --> 00:33:06.435
Sort of thing.

00:33:06.875 --> 00:33:07.375
Jesse Griffiths: Typically.

00:33:07.455 --> 00:33:09.385
I mean, you will see people
recommend that you wear.

00:33:09.405 --> 00:33:12.765
I, uh, like I, um, what'd
you call protection?

00:33:12.855 --> 00:33:13.145
Yeah, I've

00:33:13.145 --> 00:33:13.505
Travis Bader: heard that.

00:33:13.505 --> 00:33:13.735
Yeah.

00:33:14.235 --> 00:33:14.495
Jesse Griffiths: Yeah.

00:33:14.625 --> 00:33:16.255
And, uh, and gloves.

00:33:16.305 --> 00:33:19.665
Um, but yeah, typically what you're,
I think what you really need to worry

00:33:19.665 --> 00:33:25.035
about is like either ingestion of, of
the meat in the case of trichinosis.

00:33:25.195 --> 00:33:29.845
And, um, and then brucellosis
could be, uh, bloodborne.

00:33:29.855 --> 00:33:34.044
So like a nick or cut on your hand,
um, which is, you know, just why I'm,

00:33:34.055 --> 00:33:35.905
I'm not taking any risks with that.

00:33:35.905 --> 00:33:38.674
And so, um, always,
always with the gloves.

00:33:38.905 --> 00:33:40.925
Travis Bader: But after they're,
they're dressed out, they're on

00:33:40.925 --> 00:33:42.025
your table, you're working on it.

00:33:42.045 --> 00:33:43.564
You're not wearing gloves anymore.

00:33:43.955 --> 00:33:44.755
Jesse Griffiths: I typically don't.

00:33:44.865 --> 00:33:45.065
Yeah.

00:33:45.065 --> 00:33:49.775
Once, like I said, digestive organs and,
uh, and reproductive organs are out, then

00:33:49.775 --> 00:33:52.395
I typically can, can take the gloves off.

00:33:52.724 --> 00:33:53.094
Travis Bader: Okay.

00:33:53.205 --> 00:33:56.295
And it just gives me something to think
about when I'm dealing with bear as well.

00:33:56.965 --> 00:34:00.164
Cause I think they're going to have
sort of a similar set of things

00:34:00.164 --> 00:34:01.345
that you have to be concerned about.

00:34:02.325 --> 00:34:02.755
Um,

00:34:03.264 --> 00:34:06.825
Jesse Griffiths: all bears, I mean, from
what I understand, I'll like all bears

00:34:06.985 --> 00:34:09.215
are probably have trichinosis, right?

00:34:09.545 --> 00:34:10.855
This is my understanding.

00:34:10.855 --> 00:34:13.444
It's like, it's almost, it's
almost a hundred percent.

00:34:14.300 --> 00:34:17.720
Travis Bader: Didn't Rinella get his
whole crew, uh, sick on that at one point?

00:34:17.730 --> 00:34:18.590
Did you hear about that one?

00:34:19.955 --> 00:34:23.255
Jesse Griffiths: Yeah, there was, it
was, uh, like a really cold windy day

00:34:23.275 --> 00:34:26.565
from my understanding and the fire
just wasn't going and it just, it

00:34:26.565 --> 00:34:28.224
didn't get cooked all the way through.

00:34:28.224 --> 00:34:33.154
And then a bunch of people got
trichinosis, which you have forever.

00:34:33.835 --> 00:34:34.565
Travis Bader: Sorry, gang.

00:34:35.224 --> 00:34:35.504
Yeah.

00:34:35.514 --> 00:34:35.734
Yeah.

00:34:35.735 --> 00:34:37.624
They do have a forever that gets dormant.

00:34:37.774 --> 00:34:39.664
They're never, I don't think
they have to worry about it.

00:34:39.664 --> 00:34:39.944
Right.

00:34:40.325 --> 00:34:40.495
Yeah.

00:34:40.495 --> 00:34:40.965
Once you go

00:34:40.975 --> 00:34:42.565
Jesse Griffiths: through the
initial unpleasantries, I

00:34:42.565 --> 00:34:43.885
think that it's, it's typical.

00:34:44.805 --> 00:34:45.505
Um, yeah.

00:34:46.160 --> 00:34:47.600
Something you can just kind of live with

00:34:48.760 --> 00:34:51.330
Travis Bader: how did you get involved
with that crew the meat eater crew?

00:34:52.620 --> 00:34:54.350
Jesse Griffiths: Um, I you
know, I just I work with them.

00:34:54.500 --> 00:34:55.940
I'm kind of in the orbit there.

00:34:55.940 --> 00:35:01.710
I'm friends with Steve we just had
dinner a couple weeks ago and I'll

00:35:01.710 --> 00:35:04.520
hunt with the honest this spring,
you know, we'll do some turkey

00:35:04.520 --> 00:35:07.749
hunting It was a few years back.

00:35:07.810 --> 00:35:13.010
I just got called upon to do
the The podcast, they had a

00:35:13.010 --> 00:35:16.040
podcast tour and so they're going
around and they came to Dallas.

00:35:17.330 --> 00:35:20.809
And I went up there to Dallas
and sat in on the podcast with

00:35:20.810 --> 00:35:22.150
them and I guess I did all right.

00:35:22.770 --> 00:35:27.249
Um, and he invited me back and we've done
some of the, when they're on Netflix,

00:35:27.249 --> 00:35:30.509
we did a couple of episodes with them
and I've done some food content, some

00:35:30.509 --> 00:35:36.320
recipes, um, just a lot of, a lot of food
related stuff with them and the podcast.

00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:39.040
I don't even know how many times I've
been on there four or five, six times.

00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:42.320
Um, and just, uh, just
kind of hanging out.

00:35:42.500 --> 00:35:45.450
I'll get a call from somebody,
randomly, and they'll be like, Hey,

00:35:45.940 --> 00:35:47.170
how do you, how do you do this?

00:35:47.180 --> 00:35:48.410
I mean, with a pheasant leg.

00:35:49.685 --> 00:35:53.925
This is what I try, you know, so
kind of just like an on call, uh,

00:35:53.935 --> 00:35:55.625
uh, food consultant sometimes.

00:35:56.165 --> 00:35:57.015
Travis Bader: That's pretty cool.

00:35:57.055 --> 00:36:01.005
You know, I've told this story in
the podcast before, but the meat

00:36:01.005 --> 00:36:05.334
eater podcast was part of the
reason why I've got a podcast now.

00:36:05.385 --> 00:36:12.095
Years ago, I got a present from my wife,
Christmas present and, um, open it up.

00:36:12.095 --> 00:36:14.725
And there's a couple of tickets
to go watch a live taping

00:36:14.725 --> 00:36:15.895
of the meat eater podcast.

00:36:16.105 --> 00:36:18.975
And I said, well, Number one,
I don't listen to podcasts.

00:36:18.975 --> 00:36:20.845
Number two, what's this Meteor thing?

00:36:20.855 --> 00:36:25.475
Cause I don't really watch TV and I had
no idea what Meteor was or who Steve was.

00:36:25.485 --> 00:36:27.824
And she's like, I think you'll like it.

00:36:27.834 --> 00:36:29.225
It's good.

00:36:29.234 --> 00:36:30.614
It seems like a good group of guys.

00:36:30.614 --> 00:36:32.944
And they're, they're into some
of the stuff that you're into.

00:36:32.944 --> 00:36:33.594
I'm like, all right.

00:36:33.595 --> 00:36:36.754
So thank you for this
present for something.

00:36:36.755 --> 00:36:39.535
I don't listen to podcasts or have
any idea what I'm going to, but I

00:36:39.535 --> 00:36:43.740
went down, um, Met with Steve and
Giannis and, um, because there's a

00:36:43.740 --> 00:36:45.050
little meet and greet ahead of time.

00:36:45.050 --> 00:36:49.160
And then they go up on stage and
actually there's another girl there,

00:36:49.160 --> 00:36:51.550
April, and we're talking for a while.

00:36:51.550 --> 00:36:54.520
And she grew up in the
same place where I grew up.

00:36:54.520 --> 00:36:55.450
I grew up in Surrey.

00:36:55.620 --> 00:36:56.540
She grew up in Surrey.

00:36:56.540 --> 00:36:58.649
And I just thought she was
another person from the audience.

00:36:58.649 --> 00:37:00.530
Next thing you know, she's
up on stage there with them.

00:37:00.530 --> 00:37:04.010
And anyways, saw how the
whole thing was done.

00:37:04.010 --> 00:37:05.290
I thought, well, that's pretty cool.

00:37:05.340 --> 00:37:06.540
They seem to have a lot of fun.

00:37:06.620 --> 00:37:08.040
They're spreading positivity.

00:37:08.080 --> 00:37:09.350
They got a good message.

00:37:09.715 --> 00:37:13.935
And, uh, then, uh, a buddy of mine asked
me to be on his podcast and like, well,

00:37:13.935 --> 00:37:15.765
that was pretty straightforward enough.

00:37:15.775 --> 00:37:16.345
I mean, all I do is.

00:37:16.765 --> 00:37:18.985
Talk into a microphone.

00:37:19.425 --> 00:37:24.725
So in a roundabout way, my first
introduction to podcasts was the,

00:37:24.725 --> 00:37:26.304
uh, the meat eater podcast there.

00:37:26.304 --> 00:37:29.095
And that was part of the reason
why I got this one going.

00:37:29.095 --> 00:37:30.554
And now look at this full circle.

00:37:30.555 --> 00:37:33.895
I get to talk with someone from
their crew and, uh, get to learn

00:37:33.925 --> 00:37:35.845
all about turkeys and hogs.

00:37:35.995 --> 00:37:36.485
Pretty cool.

00:37:37.094 --> 00:37:37.474
Jesse Griffiths: Yeah.

00:37:37.655 --> 00:37:41.445
And it was that probably that live
tour was the same one that I was on.

00:37:41.825 --> 00:37:42.855
I'm sure in Dallas.

00:37:42.855 --> 00:37:47.375
So, yeah, it's, it's, it's been great,
uh, knowing them and, and just, and

00:37:47.385 --> 00:37:55.414
being able to interact with them and
see the on camera, off camera, um, not,

00:37:55.435 --> 00:37:59.544
I wouldn't say differences just because
they're all, I experienced excellent

00:37:59.554 --> 00:38:02.735
hunters, like very, very good at it.

00:38:02.905 --> 00:38:06.905
Um, very dedicated and all very.

00:38:07.875 --> 00:38:12.455
Objectively interested in wild
food and they'd love eating it.

00:38:12.515 --> 00:38:15.865
You know, I'm hunting with Giannis,
uh, for turkeys and he just texted me.

00:38:15.865 --> 00:38:18.665
He's like, can I bring some
big horn sheep with me?

00:38:18.675 --> 00:38:24.335
And I'm like, of course, I mean, it's
like, it's, I mean, you need to kind of

00:38:24.345 --> 00:38:28.915
set back sometimes and look at meat eater
and it's like, those guys are like, they

00:38:28.925 --> 00:38:35.405
do that, they, you know, being in South
Texas with them and a no guy that taken

00:38:35.405 --> 00:38:37.165
a no guide, so that is a lot of meat.

00:38:38.320 --> 00:38:42.410
And everybody on the crew had
two Yeti soft sided coolers, and

00:38:42.410 --> 00:38:44.210
they were just loading it up.

00:38:44.210 --> 00:38:45.930
And it was, it was a big deal.

00:38:46.220 --> 00:38:48.550
That's not on camera, that's
not really talked about.

00:38:48.550 --> 00:38:51.629
But it was like, it was, and
there was none left behind.

00:38:51.640 --> 00:38:54.829
They didn't go and kill a nil guy and be
like, Okay, cool, we're gonna, now we're

00:38:54.829 --> 00:38:56.419
gonna break this down, we're gonna eat it.

00:38:56.749 --> 00:38:58.060
And we're gonna do all this fun stuff.

00:38:58.100 --> 00:38:59.010
And then it's like, cut!

00:38:59.060 --> 00:39:01.030
And they're like, whatever,
does anybody want this stuff?

00:39:01.050 --> 00:39:02.819
Cause we don't, you know,
we're gonna go play.

00:39:02.820 --> 00:39:03.356
Travis Bader: None of

00:39:03.356 --> 00:39:03.623
Jesse Griffiths: that.

00:39:03.623 --> 00:39:05.140
None at all.

00:39:05.180 --> 00:39:05.550
No.

00:39:05.570 --> 00:39:10.510
And then, and then we also, I went fishing
with them one time and they were adamant

00:39:10.560 --> 00:39:14.460
about killing as many fish as they legally
could because they wanted to eat them.

00:39:15.630 --> 00:39:19.750
And none of that stuff really, well,
I'm sure it does convey in a way,

00:39:19.820 --> 00:39:22.569
it definitely conveys, but I just,
you know, I think it's important to

00:39:22.569 --> 00:39:25.580
realize that that's, that is true.

00:39:25.680 --> 00:39:29.520
Like they are, they're dedicated
to that and they love eating it.

00:39:29.570 --> 00:39:34.030
And then their whole pursuit, that whole
cycle is, is kind of their foundation.

00:39:34.700 --> 00:39:38.030
Travis Bader: Well, they kind of changed
the script on a lot of these hunting,

00:39:38.040 --> 00:39:42.860
fishing type, uh, programs where
it's not all about the grip and grit.

00:39:43.090 --> 00:39:45.610
It's about the process and the
journey and how one connects

00:39:45.610 --> 00:39:46.939
with nature and each other.

00:39:46.940 --> 00:39:48.750
And they show the failures.

00:39:48.990 --> 00:39:49.470
And

00:39:49.470 --> 00:39:51.860
Jesse Griffiths: I think that's amazing.

00:39:51.870 --> 00:39:52.579
I love that.

00:39:52.640 --> 00:39:57.890
Well, the failures, and it's like, you
can have a set of antlers, but then

00:39:57.900 --> 00:40:01.890
there's a lot more there and you, and
it doesn't, it's not to the deprecation

00:40:01.900 --> 00:40:07.529
of that with a place that it was in or
the hunter or how beautiful it all was.

00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:12.640
But you know, the, the whole process
is, is really like, is the point.

00:40:12.680 --> 00:40:17.160
And I guess that everybody, especially
on the production side of it, assumed

00:40:17.170 --> 00:40:21.900
that that's just boring, you know,
you know, success gripping grand.

00:40:22.275 --> 00:40:22.995
And then you're done.

00:40:23.655 --> 00:40:27.475
Um, but that's like, I don't think
any of us really function that way.

00:40:27.495 --> 00:40:31.224
I mean, there's sure there's people
that are, but it's like, it is, you

00:40:31.224 --> 00:40:36.044
know, I just went on a checker hunt
and I mean, we saw some, maybe I had

00:40:36.045 --> 00:40:40.764
a shot at one, but I didn't take it
cause I was a half a second too slow.

00:40:41.944 --> 00:40:44.165
And if you were to say, Hey, do
you want to go do that again?

00:40:45.055 --> 00:40:47.545
And you'd be guaranteed
to not shoot a checker.

00:40:47.545 --> 00:40:49.155
I'd say a hundred percent.

00:40:50.750 --> 00:40:52.600
Yeah, I would totally do that again.

00:40:52.970 --> 00:40:57.140
I mean, and that's the whole essence
of turkey hunting is You know you

00:40:57.950 --> 00:41:01.000
you might be successful Maybe not.

00:41:01.279 --> 00:41:04.909
It's it's really about the process,
you know, and it's like the the tom

00:41:04.909 --> 00:41:09.929
is in charge, you know You're there
you you're gonna make mistakes Until

00:41:09.929 --> 00:41:13.749
your last turkey hunt you're never
gonna really fully learn this thing.

00:41:13.750 --> 00:41:19.660
And I think that's the compelling thing
I love eating them, you know, it drives

00:41:19.660 --> 00:41:26.890
me, but turkeys for me, I mean, along the
lines of this topic, we're like the animal

00:41:26.890 --> 00:41:33.890
where I really kind of matured a little
bit beyond just being ultra pragmatists.

00:41:33.920 --> 00:41:35.669
You know, Steve used to
make fun of me for it.

00:41:35.719 --> 00:41:40.090
He was just, man, you just, you're
just, so he's like, do you have fun?

00:41:40.090 --> 00:41:44.160
I mean, I want to go
shoot a deer cause I need.

00:41:44.540 --> 00:41:50.420
This, this, this, this, and this in
my freezer, um, turkeys kind of cured

00:41:50.420 --> 00:41:56.460
me of that in a lot of ways, I think,
in that I, I didn't look back on three

00:41:56.460 --> 00:42:01.489
days of unsuccessful turkey hunting as
a failure, uh, you know, just because

00:42:01.490 --> 00:42:02.800
I didn't have anything to show for it.

00:42:02.819 --> 00:42:05.899
It's like, I need, you know, I
don't have any turkey to fry now.

00:42:06.240 --> 00:42:09.560
And some people that might, the, the, the.

00:42:10.130 --> 00:42:14.580
Ancillary view of that would be I don't
have a trophy or I don't, you know,

00:42:14.580 --> 00:42:18.350
I didn't, I didn't shoot a big buck,
you know, but to me it was always like

00:42:19.039 --> 00:42:23.539
my freezer has this much space and it
needs to be filled and then if I didn't

00:42:23.539 --> 00:42:28.360
do that as a failure and so the turkey
kind of, kind of cured me of that.

00:42:28.849 --> 00:42:33.570
It taught me like, oh, hey, you can go sit
in the woods for a couple of days, um, and

00:42:33.580 --> 00:42:38.120
be unsuccessful and it's okay, you know,
and then, but what needs to happen is

00:42:38.120 --> 00:42:40.150
you need to get better at this, you know.

00:42:40.750 --> 00:42:44.080
You know, if, you know, cause I
mean, you need to, but you don't have

00:42:44.080 --> 00:42:45.900
to bring, bring some turkey home.

00:42:46.520 --> 00:42:49.330
Travis Bader: So do you look at like
your whole year and basically do

00:42:49.330 --> 00:42:53.170
mental meal prep for the year and say,
okay, now I need this in my freezer.

00:42:53.170 --> 00:42:56.879
Or do you say like, okay, my freezer
is this big in order to get it filled.

00:42:56.880 --> 00:42:59.769
I need this amount or like,
what's your thought process?

00:43:01.000 --> 00:43:02.830
Jesse Griffiths: Yeah,
that's you kind of nailed it.

00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:08.010
I I have one freezer one stand up
freezer and it has a finite It's

00:43:08.020 --> 00:43:10.310
probably a 21 cubic foot screen.

00:43:10.830 --> 00:43:15.889
So it's very finite and all of it
has to go in there I I mean, it's an

00:43:15.890 --> 00:43:19.610
interesting time that you bring this up
friend of mine texted me this morning.

00:43:19.619 --> 00:43:24.030
He's a fishing guy And I love to
fish, especially in the spring.

00:43:24.900 --> 00:43:27.870
And he said, you know, he said, are you
going to get out of fish this spring?

00:43:27.900 --> 00:43:29.030
And I said, I don't know.

00:43:29.050 --> 00:43:31.140
You know, it kind of butts
up against Turkey season.

00:43:31.140 --> 00:43:34.950
I've got a, actually I got to travel
to Bozeman to do the podcast and ride

00:43:34.950 --> 00:43:36.420
in the middle of like prime time.

00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:39.729
Um, and I, I, I don't know.

00:43:39.729 --> 00:43:42.820
And also another point that
I made to him was like, I, I

00:43:42.820 --> 00:43:43.990
still have fish in my freezer.

00:43:44.260 --> 00:43:45.020
Like, I don't know.

00:43:45.550 --> 00:43:48.480
If I'm allowed to go fishing, you know,
and it's like, and then once, you know,

00:43:48.480 --> 00:43:53.540
we've, you know, between me and my
daughter, once we've killed the deer,

00:43:53.620 --> 00:43:58.199
I, I stop, you know, it's like, we're
done, you know, we don't need anymore.

00:43:58.220 --> 00:44:01.029
And then maybe another reason why, you
know, like, Hey, come on an elk hunt.

00:44:01.029 --> 00:44:01.889
I'm like, ah.

00:44:02.595 --> 00:44:03.555
That's so much.

00:44:03.575 --> 00:44:05.325
That's the entire right there.

00:44:05.325 --> 00:44:08.495
And I mean, I'm sure it would be fun,
but is it, is it whole freezer fun?

00:44:08.925 --> 00:44:12.165
You know, I mean, to me, that's
why turkeys are kind of amazing is

00:44:12.215 --> 00:44:16.285
because you can have a lot of fun
and not fill up the entire freezer.

00:44:16.285 --> 00:44:18.114
But, you know, you still
get a lot of good meat.

00:44:18.534 --> 00:44:20.135
So yes, I do manage it.

00:44:20.215 --> 00:44:24.535
Um, we will be eating the very
last portion of turkey the night

00:44:24.535 --> 00:44:26.115
before turkey season opens.

00:44:26.730 --> 00:44:32.310
Which is beautifully by design and maybe
this is just like people are listening

00:44:32.310 --> 00:44:34.250
to this be like, this guy's nuts.

00:44:34.260 --> 00:44:38.700
Like what, what are you, but I, I
plan it out that way, you know, and

00:44:38.730 --> 00:44:40.440
like, we'll, we'll just meter it out.

00:44:40.450 --> 00:44:43.889
We'll ration it and then we'll have, I
mean, it's going to be tenderloins too.

00:44:43.919 --> 00:44:44.364
We're going to.

00:44:45.355 --> 00:44:47.935
Start the season or end
it, uh, on tenderloins.

00:44:47.935 --> 00:44:50.535
And then the next day it's
like, well, you need to turn.

00:44:51.305 --> 00:44:52.825
Uh, I love that.

00:44:52.985 --> 00:44:57.925
I mean, we have also the luxury of
having hogs, which have no closed season.

00:44:58.005 --> 00:44:59.264
I don't even need a license.

00:44:59.284 --> 00:45:03.304
Even if you're a non resident that's
everybody listen, like you don't have to

00:45:03.304 --> 00:45:08.274
have a hunting license to hunt pigs in
Texas, non residents, residents included.

00:45:08.604 --> 00:45:09.214
Nobody needs.

00:45:09.700 --> 00:45:10.100
Pretty cool.

00:45:11.150 --> 00:45:15.300
So, I mean, at any point, you know,
with a little bit of arrangement, um, I

00:45:15.300 --> 00:45:20.529
could probably go out and hunt a pig if
the freezer was looking dire, but, uh,

00:45:20.570 --> 00:45:22.280
yeah, it is, it is freezer management.

00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:26.469
And that's also, I mean, I think that's
a fun rest lesson and determining your

00:45:26.489 --> 00:45:32.625
priorities, you know, and, uh, my daughter
is a. An age of where, like this year,

00:45:32.645 --> 00:45:35.435
she put the most animals in the freezer.

00:45:35.585 --> 00:45:41.335
I shot one hog, she shot two hogs,
one white tail, and one odd head.

00:45:41.705 --> 00:45:42.284
How old is she?

00:45:42.905 --> 00:45:43.625
She's 14.

00:45:43.925 --> 00:45:44.515
Travis Bader: Good for her.

00:45:44.955 --> 00:45:45.265
Jesse Griffiths: Yeah.

00:45:45.615 --> 00:45:47.225
No, she's she's great at it.

00:45:47.235 --> 00:45:50.695
She loves it And she and it's over the
I'd say the past three or four years.

00:45:50.705 --> 00:45:55.704
It's kind of gotten to be where
it's mostly her doing that

00:45:55.704 --> 00:45:58.385
and so For me, that's great.

00:45:58.444 --> 00:46:03.470
You know, I get to go with her
Participate, but in the end it

00:46:03.570 --> 00:46:06.160
is a kind of a needs based thing.

00:46:06.170 --> 00:46:08.460
It's like, okay, Hey,
and then she knows that.

00:46:08.749 --> 00:46:12.119
And we had an opportunity and
an invitation to go hunt again.

00:46:12.130 --> 00:46:12.810
She loves it.

00:46:12.909 --> 00:46:13.520
I love it.

00:46:14.080 --> 00:46:16.820
Declined, you know, it's like,
no, you don't need to meet.

00:46:17.609 --> 00:46:18.060
We're done.

00:46:18.400 --> 00:46:18.849
Thank you.

00:46:18.859 --> 00:46:20.310
I mean, we're at a great place to be.

00:46:20.310 --> 00:46:25.160
I mean, In the history of, you know,
humankind, it's like, no, we are, you

00:46:25.160 --> 00:46:30.620
know, we're we've got the food, you
know, it's kind of like the whole point.

00:46:31.100 --> 00:46:36.530
So, uh, I, I do love hunting
via freezer management.

00:46:37.750 --> 00:46:40.360
Travis Bader: Were you hunting that
14 or did you get into it later?

00:46:40.870 --> 00:46:41.260
Later.

00:46:41.850 --> 00:46:42.360
How old were you?

00:46:43.070 --> 00:46:44.250
Jesse Griffiths: Uh, late twenties.

00:46:44.630 --> 00:46:44.860
Hmm.

00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:50.920
I had fished, uh, my whole, like I,
I, I love to fish and always fished

00:46:50.920 --> 00:46:52.619
and been just like obsessed with it.

00:46:52.620 --> 00:46:54.939
As soon as I could drive, it was over.

00:46:55.040 --> 00:46:57.840
I just was driving everywhere
and fishing as much as I could.

00:46:58.589 --> 00:47:01.169
Um, and then did not grow
up in a hunting family.

00:47:01.750 --> 00:47:05.890
Um, and started actually butchered,
started butchering before.

00:47:06.205 --> 00:47:13.085
I hunted, so really resting, uh, dynamic
with that in that I had no idea what

00:47:13.085 --> 00:47:19.804
I was doing, uh, to get it in front
of me, cold, cold in front of me, it

00:47:19.805 --> 00:47:21.005
was like, Oh, I know what you do now.

00:47:22.415 --> 00:47:26.175
Travis Bader: So what got you
into the restaurant industry?

00:47:27.985 --> 00:47:33.065
Jesse Griffiths: Uh, almost a default,
uh, I, like I said, I did not, um, I

00:47:33.065 --> 00:47:37.535
did not go to college, uh, I, I just,
I worked my way through high school.

00:47:37.535 --> 00:47:40.134
The easiest way to work your way
through high school, I firmly

00:47:40.135 --> 00:47:41.655
believe, is that industry.

00:47:43.095 --> 00:47:46.285
If you're dedicated and hardworking,
you can make more money.

00:47:47.085 --> 00:47:52.964
So I was dedicated and hardworking
and, um, I just, you know, bus

00:47:52.995 --> 00:47:56.364
tables, wash dishes, eventually
became a server, eventually became a

00:47:56.364 --> 00:47:58.414
bartender, eventually became a manager.

00:47:58.774 --> 00:48:05.285
And then, you know, around 19 got
into the kitchen, um, and I've just

00:48:05.285 --> 00:48:07.035
been in that industry ever since.

00:48:07.595 --> 00:48:08.835
Well, when did you start Daidue?

00:48:10.185 --> 00:48:11.545
Uh, 2006.

00:48:12.255 --> 00:48:12.565
Travis Bader: Okay.

00:48:13.515 --> 00:48:13.755
Jesse Griffiths: Yeah.

00:48:13.755 --> 00:48:19.685
So, uh, me and my business partner
started it in 19 years ago.

00:48:19.750 --> 00:48:21.449
Travis Bader: Um,

00:48:22.030 --> 00:48:24.680
Jesse Griffiths: and opened the
brick and mortar restaurant,

00:48:24.790 --> 00:48:26.570
um, a little over 10 years ago.

00:48:28.190 --> 00:48:29.770
Travis Bader: And I guess, uh, COVID hit.

00:48:29.790 --> 00:48:30.560
How was that?

00:48:32.320 --> 00:48:32.490
Jesse Griffiths: Uh,

00:48:32.490 --> 00:48:32.610
Travis Bader: it

00:48:32.610 --> 00:48:32.719
Jesse Griffiths: was

00:48:32.719 --> 00:48:33.069
Travis Bader: awful.

00:48:33.400 --> 00:48:34.290
Yeah, I guess.

00:48:35.049 --> 00:48:35.480
It was

00:48:35.480 --> 00:48:36.680
Jesse Griffiths: like the best.

00:48:36.710 --> 00:48:38.980
I mean, why can't, can we do that again?

00:48:40.125 --> 00:48:41.665
Travis Bader: Well, I know some
people who are like that, but they

00:48:41.665 --> 00:48:43.065
weren't in the restaurant industry.

00:48:44.025 --> 00:48:44.665
Jesse Griffiths: Oh, right.

00:48:44.775 --> 00:48:50.574
Um, it was a, it was a terrible
time to be in hospitality.

00:48:50.574 --> 00:48:54.975
And I really want to stress the
word hospitality because our, our

00:48:54.985 --> 00:48:58.785
role was so stressed at that point.

00:48:58.834 --> 00:48:59.134
Like.

00:48:59.550 --> 00:49:01.200
What, what are we?

00:49:01.290 --> 00:49:04.290
You know, are we doctors and scientists?

00:49:04.330 --> 00:49:04.700
Nope.

00:49:05.410 --> 00:49:10.920
We are just trying to run a business
that everybody wants to come to and

00:49:10.920 --> 00:49:15.159
we're just trying to make decisions
that are not only good for the business,

00:49:15.160 --> 00:49:18.059
but they're good for the employees
and they're good for everybody else.

00:49:18.060 --> 00:49:22.570
And then the division that
happened around that just made

00:49:22.570 --> 00:49:25.100
it so difficult to be hospitable.

00:49:26.230 --> 00:49:29.920
Everyone and I think that's, that's
the thing that really, it made me sad.

00:49:30.360 --> 00:49:34.010
It's like, listen, at the end of the
day, I don't want to upset anybody by

00:49:34.399 --> 00:49:37.139
requiring a mask or not requiring a mask.

00:49:38.060 --> 00:49:39.320
And we're just here to cook.

00:49:39.390 --> 00:49:40.499
Please remember that.

00:49:40.510 --> 00:49:47.370
Like our job is to just let you have
a great time and we'll do the dishes.

00:49:47.780 --> 00:49:52.470
You know, like, and, and, and most of
the people that are in this industry love

00:49:52.520 --> 00:49:56.930
that, you know, I love the hospitality
aspect of it, and there's nothing,

00:49:56.990 --> 00:50:02.865
there's never been anything Um, that
was, that really just like strained our

00:50:02.865 --> 00:50:08.745
ability to offer hospitality as much
as COVID, but we survived, um, it was

00:50:08.745 --> 00:50:10.695
hard, but we, we were able to do it.

00:50:10.974 --> 00:50:14.574
Travis Bader: I thought COVID missed
Texas, or is that just an outsider's

00:50:15.165 --> 00:50:15.615
Jesse Griffiths: observation?

00:50:16.390 --> 00:50:18.660
We didn't shut down as much.

00:50:18.800 --> 00:50:24.720
Austin shut down pretty, I mean,
relatively to Texas, we had more

00:50:25.530 --> 00:50:31.459
closures and rules and things like that,
or, but also kind of the collective

00:50:31.460 --> 00:50:36.889
consciousness here was probably, was
a little more, um, careful, cautious

00:50:37.120 --> 00:50:39.580
than other places like rural Texas.

00:50:39.580 --> 00:50:41.359
You could go and it was wide open.

00:50:41.440 --> 00:50:45.605
Um, but Austin, you know, like I said,
you, you could, You could, you were

00:50:45.605 --> 00:50:47.465
only making whatever decision you made.

00:50:47.675 --> 00:50:49.415
Half the people disagreed with that one.

00:50:49.435 --> 00:50:50.735
Of course, of course.

00:50:52.255 --> 00:50:58.515
Travis Bader: So, you know, here I
noticed, and I, I noticed a huge push

00:50:58.515 --> 00:51:01.484
to reconnecting with nature when COVID
hit, everybody wanted to go outside.

00:51:01.484 --> 00:51:02.965
They want to learn how to garden.

00:51:02.965 --> 00:51:04.334
They wanted to learn how to farm.

00:51:04.334 --> 00:51:07.105
They want to learn how to hunt and fish.

00:51:07.675 --> 00:51:11.485
How did that affect what you do
in your business dealing with wild

00:51:11.495 --> 00:51:13.225
game and doing the courses and.

00:51:13.275 --> 00:51:14.914
Yeah,

00:51:16.975 --> 00:51:19.065
Jesse Griffiths: I mean, I think
there's, there's two interesting

00:51:19.065 --> 00:51:20.935
things about that point.

00:51:21.175 --> 00:51:25.235
Um, the first being, I'll address
like the, the education side of it.

00:51:25.495 --> 00:51:29.955
I mean, we had already established,
um, pretty well that, that we're one

00:51:29.955 --> 00:51:35.954
of the first like hunting and culinary
and butchery, uh, classes available,

00:51:35.954 --> 00:51:39.334
like deep dives, um, starting in two.

00:51:39.460 --> 00:51:45.600
2009, 2010 season, uh, so pretty
early on offering things like that.

00:51:45.600 --> 00:51:47.130
So we were very well
established with that.

00:51:47.970 --> 00:51:53.459
Um, it was kind of hard to feel
the surge in that, in that we were

00:51:53.459 --> 00:51:56.639
already deeply wait listed by them.

00:51:57.070 --> 00:52:01.210
Like it was, you know, it's like we
have 36 seats available this year.

00:52:01.210 --> 00:52:04.680
You know, they were full anyway.

00:52:04.780 --> 00:52:07.160
Um, but the day classes definitely.

00:52:07.160 --> 00:52:10.655
And then you saw a slight, not a slight,
but you saw a pretty Uh, interesting,

00:52:10.795 --> 00:52:16.065
and I think great demographic shift
in there and just like more people.

00:52:16.455 --> 00:52:22.455
Of all types, which I guess
there's arguments around that,

00:52:22.575 --> 00:52:23.895
but I think it's wonderful.

00:52:24.285 --> 00:52:25.215
I just, I love it.

00:52:25.315 --> 00:52:29.425
I love just like seeing all different
types of people, you know, at the

00:52:29.425 --> 00:52:34.394
campfire or at the table talking about
something in all like learning, you

00:52:34.394 --> 00:52:37.814
know, maybe this person over here grew
up around and his great grandfather

00:52:37.814 --> 00:52:43.834
taught him how to hunt and this person
maybe thought guns were evil a year ago.

00:52:44.490 --> 00:52:49.580
Yeah, to me, that's the best group, you
know, because everybody's now all of a

00:52:49.580 --> 00:52:54.020
sudden everybody has something really cool
and common And in a different perspective

00:52:54.020 --> 00:53:00.489
on everything and so that was that was one
way another thing about Covid more maybe

00:53:00.489 --> 00:53:06.850
restaurant related was that our supply
chains were so short that they weren't

00:53:06.850 --> 00:53:13.300
disrupted I, I, I think it's just really
fascinating in that you heard a lot.

00:53:13.310 --> 00:53:17.370
Oh, because the Midwest shutting
down because meat packing

00:53:17.370 --> 00:53:18.440
plants can't distribute.

00:53:18.540 --> 00:53:21.160
And we're like, well, that's, I
mean, that's, that's terrible.

00:53:21.160 --> 00:53:26.009
But at the same time I can call our
beef producer, our pork producer, our

00:53:26.010 --> 00:53:28.070
quail producer, our chicken producer.

00:53:28.995 --> 00:53:34.945
They live, you know, hour and a half from
here, nothing changed, you know, so, I

00:53:34.945 --> 00:53:37.985
mean, there was fluctuations in grain
prices and things that kind of would

00:53:37.995 --> 00:53:45.014
trickle down to that, but at the same
time, we were widely insulated from macro

00:53:45.165 --> 00:53:50.445
issues during that, um, conversely, and
again, a little bit of a digression when

00:53:50.445 --> 00:53:53.185
we had these really severe freezes here,

00:53:53.435 --> 00:53:53.455
Travis Bader: um,

00:53:55.270 --> 00:53:57.950
Jesse Griffiths: In, in Central
Texas, or in Texas in general, like,

00:53:58.180 --> 00:54:02.680
unheard of freezes, like, seven days
of, you know, under, in the teens,

00:54:02.720 --> 00:54:05.980
you know, with no infrastructure, we
lost power, we lost water, everything,

00:54:06.070 --> 00:54:07.700
people were dying, it was awful.

00:54:08.730 --> 00:54:10.110
Um, we couldn't function.

00:54:10.560 --> 00:54:11.110
Um.

00:54:11.420 --> 00:54:18.440
During that, during the small, during
the, uh, regional disaster, um, those

00:54:18.450 --> 00:54:22.819
chains were immediately broken and the
bigger supply chains were able to, to,

00:54:22.870 --> 00:54:27.629
to mend themselves and kind of start to
have that influx sooner than ours did.

00:54:27.649 --> 00:54:29.090
The recovery was quicker.

00:54:29.789 --> 00:54:31.320
But I thought that was
just really interesting.

00:54:31.320 --> 00:54:32.130
I don't have an answer.

00:54:32.425 --> 00:54:33.945
Yeah, right way to do it.

00:54:33.985 --> 00:54:38.265
But it's just like when you have a
system where you're only sourcing

00:54:38.285 --> 00:54:43.665
things locally, it can be, it's,
it thrives in the widespread issue.

00:54:43.995 --> 00:54:49.635
Um, but it's, it's harder in a more
acute and geographically specific issue.

00:54:49.995 --> 00:54:53.145
But that's where, you know, community
steps in and you start seeing

00:54:53.145 --> 00:54:56.535
people step up and be like, Hey,
we're going to get this done, you

00:54:56.535 --> 00:55:00.895
know, because you have those forged
relationships and they are in your.

00:55:01.090 --> 00:55:04.810
Local community, you know, which
is the most important thing, right?

00:55:04.820 --> 00:55:13.530
So I I think it did, you know it increased
our awareness not only of wild resources,

00:55:13.560 --> 00:55:18.969
but also of You know agricultural and
local resources in general or just

00:55:18.970 --> 00:55:22.679
just word resources, you know, because
whenever something like that is strained

00:55:23.939 --> 00:55:29.579
It it shines a lot of light on our
role as stewards of whatever that thing

00:55:29.579 --> 00:55:35.070
is You know, if you have, you know,
massive pollution in your local river,

00:55:35.370 --> 00:55:37.790
everybody's like, Whoa, that affects us.

00:55:37.830 --> 00:55:38.150
Okay.

00:55:38.150 --> 00:55:40.270
Well, we need to fix that.

00:55:40.300 --> 00:55:41.630
Why did that happen?

00:55:41.949 --> 00:55:42.449
Travis Bader: You know,

00:55:42.770 --> 00:55:46.579
Jesse Griffiths: if you're like, Oh, Hey,
you know, the, gosh, the only place I

00:55:46.579 --> 00:55:49.709
could get, you know, vegetables was at
the farmer's market for a little while.

00:55:49.709 --> 00:55:50.104
And it's like,

00:55:50.935 --> 00:55:51.205
Travis Bader: Perfect.

00:55:51.555 --> 00:55:52.135
Jesse Griffiths: Listen to that.

00:55:52.545 --> 00:55:53.575
Yeah, totally.

00:55:54.215 --> 00:55:56.385
Well, there's not enough farmers
markets to, and then it's like,

00:55:56.395 --> 00:55:57.765
well, you should listen to that too.

00:55:58.075 --> 00:55:58.745
Totally.

00:55:58.885 --> 00:56:00.364
Like, why aren't there?

00:56:00.385 --> 00:56:02.224
It's like, well, it's because,
you know, I don't know.

00:56:02.224 --> 00:56:03.505
We just don't get out to them.

00:56:04.510 --> 00:56:05.170
What did you just say?

00:56:05.240 --> 00:56:06.450
Travis Bader: Yeah, exactly.

00:56:06.600 --> 00:56:10.530
Jesse Griffiths: Well, what if you went
when it's not a disaster and you went so

00:56:10.530 --> 00:56:16.380
much that the people there couldn't keep
up with the demand and then what happens?

00:56:16.419 --> 00:56:19.660
The supply steps in and it's
just like, so it, you know, it

00:56:19.660 --> 00:56:21.900
sucks when bad things happen.

00:56:21.970 --> 00:56:23.049
Travis Bader: But

00:56:23.050 --> 00:56:30.150
Jesse Griffiths: in time it, it did, um,
it did illuminate a lot, not just for us

00:56:31.200 --> 00:56:35.229
generally, but for me specifically, I was
like, oh, wow, this is really interesting

00:56:35.639 --> 00:56:38.999
about, you know, people wanting to get
out there and hunt, people wanting to

00:56:39.000 --> 00:56:41.339
bake their own bread, you know, like a

00:56:41.630 --> 00:56:43.470
Travis Bader: lot of people
wanted to make a sourdough, right.

00:56:44.260 --> 00:56:45.340
Jesse Griffiths: We specifically.

00:56:45.895 --> 00:56:49.125
We turned into a grocery store basically
because the restaurant was shut down

00:56:49.125 --> 00:56:54.445
for a while and uh, we were selling
anything that wasn't bolted down and

00:56:54.535 --> 00:56:57.334
yeast was one of our top sellers.

00:56:57.434 --> 00:57:01.715
Everybody was just buying yeast because
it was hard to find at stores and whatnot

00:57:01.715 --> 00:57:03.704
and we were able to buy 50 pound bags.

00:57:04.415 --> 00:57:14.200
It was, it's such a strange time but I
think that It, it did really allow us

00:57:14.210 --> 00:57:20.460
to, to be granted a very, uh, new and
refreshed perspective on resources.

00:57:21.140 --> 00:57:24.740
Travis Bader: Where do you see things
trending in the future when it comes

00:57:24.740 --> 00:57:30.150
down to how People eat out or cook for
themselves or utilize their resources

00:57:30.160 --> 00:57:34.040
because you know, the conversation we
talk about hunting shows like meat eater

00:57:34.040 --> 00:57:38.810
who place an emphasis on how the animals
procured and how you use every piece of

00:57:38.820 --> 00:57:44.570
meat and that the relationship that we as
animals ourselves have with our external

00:57:44.570 --> 00:57:49.980
environment, you start to see a bit of a
trend shift restaurants like yours that

00:57:49.980 --> 00:57:52.829
serve wild game, people start having.

00:57:53.340 --> 00:57:57.510
A greater education as to where their
food comes from and how to consume it.

00:57:58.800 --> 00:58:02.779
Do you see this as something that'll
kind of burn out as a fad and the big

00:58:02.779 --> 00:58:04.909
fast food chains will be taken over?

00:58:04.909 --> 00:58:07.200
Or do you, do you see a
different trend in our future?

00:58:08.840 --> 00:58:11.950
Jesse Griffiths: I mean, it's
a constant battle, uh, between.

00:58:12.490 --> 00:58:17.460
That, you know, like giant
conglomerates and corporations and

00:58:17.490 --> 00:58:21.930
change that, that don't have anyone
or anything's interests at heart.

00:58:23.280 --> 00:58:26.560
And that's, if that's not apparent
by now, then I, I mean, I don't

00:58:26.560 --> 00:58:28.179
know how to convince some, anybody.

00:58:28.499 --> 00:58:28.759
Travis Bader: Right.

00:58:28.799 --> 00:58:28.909
I,

00:58:29.230 --> 00:58:30.519
Jesse Griffiths: I think, yes.

00:58:30.549 --> 00:58:35.190
I mean, one of the most amazing
things about the past, you know,

00:58:35.370 --> 00:58:40.790
20 something years is the flow of
information and you just see how people

00:58:40.810 --> 00:58:42.860
respond and they learn and educate.

00:58:43.270 --> 00:58:49.140
Um, I think that, like, uh, a really
good, um, example would be lard.

00:58:49.870 --> 00:58:52.939
Uh, we used to sell lard at the
farmer's market and people would walk

00:58:52.940 --> 00:58:55.110
by and point at that word and laugh.

00:58:55.740 --> 00:58:56.720
Ha ha ha, lard, lard, lard.

00:58:56.770 --> 00:58:59.740
And, um, now, nobody's laughing.

00:59:00.135 --> 00:59:02.025
Oh, you know, and we didn't do anything.

00:59:02.025 --> 00:59:06.705
Well, I mean, maybe we helped in a
small way to be like, to normalize

00:59:06.705 --> 00:59:08.925
lard, which needed no normalization.

00:59:09.495 --> 00:59:09.525
Travis Bader: Oh,

00:59:09.905 --> 00:59:11.855
Jesse Griffiths: you know what,
what needs explanation and

00:59:11.855 --> 00:59:14.225
normalization is, is canola oil.

00:59:14.230 --> 00:59:14.330
Travis Bader: Yeah.

00:59:14.330 --> 00:59:15.090
Get rid of the crico.

00:59:15.680 --> 00:59:15.970
Jesse Griffiths: Yeah.

00:59:16.230 --> 00:59:17.275
Can get rid of it.

00:59:17.305 --> 00:59:22.795
Like, and you know, but the
propaganda effect, uh, that had

00:59:22.795 --> 00:59:29.525
been, you know, applied to lard,
uh, was effective, but then through.

00:59:30.300 --> 00:59:34.270
People just becoming educated by
themselves, you know, like just educating

00:59:34.270 --> 00:59:40.020
themselves, um, we're able to, to realize
like, Oh wait, this is, this is not some

00:59:40.030 --> 00:59:46.639
evil substance, you know, um, and it's
just a good example of how that happens.

00:59:47.290 --> 00:59:49.399
Um, you know, I, I hope that.

00:59:50.075 --> 00:59:55.235
Uh, we're able to treat, I mean, just,
just treat our resources with more

00:59:55.245 --> 00:59:59.445
respect, whatever those are, you know,
if we have ranchers that are doing

00:59:59.465 --> 01:00:03.615
great things, they need to be supported,
you know, farmers that are doing great

01:00:03.625 --> 01:00:07.344
things need to be supported in the
best way in the society to support.

01:00:07.670 --> 01:00:09.620
Businesses spend the money,

01:00:10.130 --> 01:00:10.330
Travis Bader: you know,

01:00:11.220 --> 01:00:13.290
Jesse Griffiths: they have to
be financially sustainable.

01:00:13.740 --> 01:00:16.939
Um, and the same thing
applies to our wild spaces.

01:00:16.959 --> 01:00:19.310
You know, I think that it's
incredibly important that we're

01:00:19.310 --> 01:00:21.500
able to rate, retain these spaces.

01:00:22.029 --> 01:00:24.949
Um, you know, and that's coming
from somebody that lives in Texas.

01:00:24.950 --> 01:00:28.110
And so, you know, like I said at the
beginning, you know, like our, our public

01:00:28.110 --> 01:00:34.910
land, private land ratio is off, um,
versus Oregon or South Dakota or whatever.

01:00:36.205 --> 01:00:37.675
Or Canada, I'm not saying that we're

01:00:37.685 --> 01:00:39.485
Travis Bader: basically all public land.

01:00:39.935 --> 01:00:40.315
Right,

01:00:40.775 --> 01:00:41.155
Jesse Griffiths: right.

01:00:41.225 --> 01:00:43.545
I'm not saying it's wrong at all.

01:00:43.605 --> 01:00:46.975
I, in fact, I'm, I'm a little bit in
love with the system here in Texas,

01:00:46.975 --> 01:00:52.634
because I see lots of incredible
examples of private land stewardship

01:00:52.635 --> 01:00:53.894
Travis Bader: and

01:00:54.074 --> 01:00:56.745
Jesse Griffiths: sharing that
land with, I mean, what could

01:00:56.745 --> 01:00:58.095
be called the general public.

01:00:58.105 --> 01:01:00.605
There, there are people out there
that will be like, yes, you can.

01:01:00.655 --> 01:01:05.214
This program allows you to hunt out here,
get involved with that program, the TWA.

01:01:05.715 --> 01:01:09.735
Adult Learn to Hunt program, beautiful,
like that, and they, they work with

01:01:09.735 --> 01:01:12.885
private ranchers and then people
can just come out there and hunt

01:01:12.885 --> 01:01:16.414
and the rancher doesn't know those
people, they're just allowing that.

01:01:16.455 --> 01:01:20.934
And then there's also just the general
stewardship and water quality and

01:01:21.014 --> 01:01:24.885
preserving prairie grasses and just
restoration of native flora and fauna

01:01:25.235 --> 01:01:27.365
that you see through private stewardship.

01:01:27.795 --> 01:01:32.135
And so it's not, the answer is
not all public land or all private

01:01:32.135 --> 01:01:33.385
land or anything like that.

01:01:33.385 --> 01:01:34.825
I think it's working within your.

01:01:35.650 --> 01:01:39.280
Your community, which is going to be
a very The, your approach to that is

01:01:39.290 --> 01:01:43.830
going to be very historical and cultural
based, you know, Texas, you know, I'm

01:01:43.830 --> 01:01:49.050
not going to get into Texas history, but
that's why we are like we are versus a

01:01:49.050 --> 01:01:54.420
Western state like Montana or, or, or
Canada where it's, it's like that for,

01:01:54.490 --> 01:01:56.380
for cultural and historical reason.

01:01:56.890 --> 01:01:58.250
And it's like, how do we.

01:01:58.510 --> 01:02:05.420
Manage lands within those systems to
preserve as much as we can be that

01:02:05.430 --> 01:02:10.150
for hunting or grazing or timbering
operations or anything, but there's

01:02:10.150 --> 01:02:15.889
going to be a balance that we have
to constantly fight to achieve.

01:02:16.300 --> 01:02:18.790
I don't have any of those answers,
but I mean, you asked like,

01:02:18.830 --> 01:02:20.210
what do I think the future is?

01:02:20.210 --> 01:02:23.520
And I think it's just keeping our
eyes open and just, and, you know,

01:02:23.530 --> 01:02:25.870
just being very resource focused.

01:02:26.055 --> 01:02:29.175
You know, and so that, you know, our
grandchildren, grandchildren can,

01:02:29.325 --> 01:02:34.855
can enjoy these things, you know, be
it, um, a, a well grown, you know,

01:02:34.925 --> 01:02:37.445
cleanly grown carrot or a deer.

01:02:39.694 --> 01:02:43.575
Travis Bader: Well, if you're,
uh, if you got the most skeptical.

01:02:44.115 --> 01:02:48.415
I don't want to eat a wild
hog, uh, person coming to you.

01:02:48.935 --> 01:02:49.875
What are you cooking for them?

01:02:50.275 --> 01:02:52.265
What are you going to cook for
them to try and convert them?

01:02:54.225 --> 01:02:56.475
Jesse Griffiths: Well, I'm going
to pick a hog, a very specific hog.

01:02:57.165 --> 01:02:57.425
Okay.

01:02:57.905 --> 01:02:59.615
And pick a nice fatty sow.

01:03:00.664 --> 01:03:06.165
Um, and then I'm going to take the,
Uh, thicker steaks off the shoulder

01:03:06.525 --> 01:03:08.475
from the fifth rib to the neck.

01:03:09.205 --> 01:03:09.565
Travis Bader: Okay.

01:03:10.025 --> 01:03:12.624
Jesse Griffiths: The copa steaks,
like above where the equivalent

01:03:12.625 --> 01:03:14.165
of the ribeye or the chops.

01:03:14.735 --> 01:03:18.785
There's a little tube that runs up
there and it's got multiple muscles.

01:03:18.785 --> 01:03:20.984
Each one is ringed with
a little bit of fat.

01:03:21.394 --> 01:03:23.245
I would cut that an inch
and three quarters thick.

01:03:23.574 --> 01:03:28.044
I would brine that for six hours and
then I would put a little bit of olive

01:03:28.044 --> 01:03:30.664
oil and some black pepper and a little
bit of honey on that and then I would

01:03:30.664 --> 01:03:32.565
grill that over Your wood of choice.

01:03:32.565 --> 01:03:33.045
Doesn't matter.

01:03:33.815 --> 01:03:34.895
Um, doesn't matter.

01:03:34.895 --> 01:03:35.315
Pecan.

01:03:35.515 --> 01:03:40.245
Um, so I grilled that
until it was just done.

01:03:40.435 --> 01:03:42.585
Probably about 155.

01:03:42.685 --> 01:03:48.285
Um, and then, uh, rest it for
five minutes and slice it and be

01:03:48.285 --> 01:03:49.345
like, what do you think of that?

01:03:49.435 --> 01:03:51.935
And they're probably going to be
like, that's pretty fantastic.

01:03:52.234 --> 01:03:53.085
Sounds amazing.

01:03:53.520 --> 01:03:54.030
That's good.

01:03:55.010 --> 01:03:55.430
Travis Bader: Okay.

01:03:55.470 --> 01:03:58.270
Here's another question that
came up from some of our members.

01:03:58.320 --> 01:04:00.020
Um, turkey hunting tips.

01:04:00.070 --> 01:04:01.860
What are your top turkey hunting tips?

01:04:02.460 --> 01:04:03.029
Jesse Griffiths: Oh, okay.

01:04:03.040 --> 01:04:10.769
Well, first off I'm, I am like if,
um, turkey hunting is a grade, uh,

01:04:11.619 --> 01:04:16.650
um, equivalent with, let's say,
you know, between kindergarten and

01:04:16.650 --> 01:04:20.200
PhD, I'm probably in second grade.

01:04:20.525 --> 01:04:29.495
So, uh, I'm going to get that out
there and while I answer these

01:04:29.495 --> 01:04:30.905
questions, so remember that.

01:04:30.965 --> 01:04:31.325
Okay.

01:04:31.515 --> 01:04:31.885
Travis Bader: Yeah.

01:04:32.055 --> 01:04:36.805
Jesse Griffiths: Um, be patient and do the
opposite of what you think you should do.

01:04:38.204 --> 01:04:43.325
I should move, uh, be patient,
call less, be patient.

01:04:43.415 --> 01:04:45.215
I don't know if I mentioned being patient.

01:04:46.875 --> 01:04:48.705
They're going to come back.

01:04:49.375 --> 01:04:55.355
Um, but that's, I love that and also go
into it with some grace and that you're,

01:04:55.825 --> 01:04:57.535
you're going to make the wrong decision.

01:04:57.615 --> 01:04:59.105
You're going to push them too far.

01:04:59.105 --> 01:05:01.895
You're gonna be like, I think I need
to kind of keep up with these birds.

01:05:01.895 --> 01:05:02.804
They're moving away.

01:05:03.135 --> 01:05:05.655
And then you push into them and they
see you and they're, they're gone.

01:05:06.855 --> 01:05:07.595
Eat yourself up.

01:05:07.625 --> 01:05:09.905
Just, just be like, that's turkey hunting.

01:05:09.955 --> 01:05:10.795
Start over.

01:05:11.115 --> 01:05:13.254
And Oh, I know here's a good one.

01:05:13.254 --> 01:05:14.565
And I feel very confident in this tip.

01:05:15.060 --> 01:05:17.370
Be ready to go all day long.

01:05:18.480 --> 01:05:22.850
Don't, don't come in for lunch,
bring your lunch with you.

01:05:23.040 --> 01:05:27.980
Like I, I personally, I mean,
if you said I had to pick.

01:05:28.410 --> 01:05:31.560
Uh, like a six hour
stretch to hunt turkeys.

01:05:32.230 --> 01:05:33.640
It's not 6:00 AM to noon.

01:05:33.640 --> 01:05:34.900
It's noon to 6:00 PM

01:05:35.200 --> 01:05:35.290
Travis Bader: Mm. Uh,

01:05:36.070 --> 01:05:40.720
Jesse Griffiths: I like to find a,
a nice and lonely noontime bird.

01:05:41.010 --> 01:05:43.830
Um, I got a friend, Kevin
Lander, and he's like.

01:05:44.255 --> 01:05:46.115
You hear a bird at noon, you kill him.

01:05:46.545 --> 01:05:48.585
You know, because he, he's lonely.

01:05:48.945 --> 01:05:51.825
Like he doesn't have hens
with them, or he did.

01:05:51.885 --> 01:05:54.645
And they're, they're bred and now
they're off laying eggs, they're

01:05:54.645 --> 01:05:57.055
on nest and he's still feeling it.

01:05:57.535 --> 01:06:00.145
And if you can get him to
call back to you, but you

01:06:00.145 --> 01:06:01.525
gotta be out there to do that.

01:06:02.285 --> 01:06:06.995
Um, you know, if you're, if you're
having a sandwich back at camp or

01:06:06.995 --> 01:06:08.915
at the cabin or whatever, or a nap.

01:06:10.410 --> 01:06:11.110
No naps.

01:06:11.140 --> 01:06:14.830
No, no, we sleep at night
when the turkeys sleep.

01:06:15.590 --> 01:06:15.860
Yeah.

01:06:16.030 --> 01:06:20.330
Um, I Yeah, I I don't know.

01:06:20.490 --> 01:06:24.410
There's there's little things but
I hunt them a lot in Texas Which is

01:06:24.419 --> 01:06:28.809
way different than hunting mountain
birds, you know Sure, we'll hunt New

01:06:28.809 --> 01:06:35.224
Mexico this year Nebraska and also
Wisconsin, so I'm gonna be in these

01:06:35.465 --> 01:06:39.685
Very different environments when I've
hunted them in Washington and Oregon.

01:06:40.275 --> 01:06:43.455
Uh, it's been quite different
than it was in Georgia, you know,

01:06:43.455 --> 01:06:45.585
in Southeast, it's just hard.

01:06:45.595 --> 01:06:47.885
There's a lot more pressure and
you've got just the best turkey

01:06:47.885 --> 01:06:49.735
hunters in the world down there.

01:06:49.735 --> 01:06:52.194
Whenever somebody says, Oh, I'm
going to go to Alabama and hunt.

01:06:52.195 --> 01:06:55.205
I'm like, Oh, it's not the turkeys.

01:06:55.295 --> 01:06:56.615
It's the turkey hunters.

01:06:57.720 --> 01:06:58.430
Oh, good.

01:06:58.750 --> 01:07:01.360
You know, you're not going
to find a dumb bird there.

01:07:01.370 --> 01:07:01.830
You know why?

01:07:02.390 --> 01:07:03.200
They're educated.

01:07:03.660 --> 01:07:03.920
Yeah.

01:07:03.960 --> 01:07:05.750
Day one, that dumb bird was dead.

01:07:06.330 --> 01:07:06.440
Yeah.

01:07:07.400 --> 01:07:09.669
Um, and just leaves the smart birds.

01:07:09.669 --> 01:07:12.270
And then the, those guys get
after them pretty good too.

01:07:12.860 --> 01:07:16.809
Um, you know, Texas has a really
robust population of turkeys.

01:07:16.809 --> 01:07:17.129
So

01:07:17.769 --> 01:07:18.579
Travis Bader: yeah, I saw that.

01:07:18.589 --> 01:07:19.929
That was, uh, yeah.

01:07:19.969 --> 01:07:21.149
Impressive to say the least.

01:07:22.090 --> 01:07:22.320
Jesse Griffiths: Yeah.

01:07:22.750 --> 01:07:24.140
Well, they're wintered up right now too.

01:07:24.140 --> 01:07:28.220
So I think that's another, it's a funny
thing because people see turkeys, maybe

01:07:28.220 --> 01:07:32.169
if they don't hunt turkeys, they see them
in the winter while they're deer hunting.

01:07:32.170 --> 01:07:35.150
And in Texas you get people
say, Oh, I saw 60 turkeys.

01:07:35.150 --> 01:07:35.809
I'm covered up.

01:07:35.810 --> 01:07:38.909
And I'm like, you will not be
covered up at them in the spring.

01:07:38.909 --> 01:07:39.779
They will disperse.

01:07:39.800 --> 01:07:40.469
Cause right.

01:07:40.620 --> 01:07:41.650
Rooped up right now.

01:07:42.200 --> 01:07:46.720
Um, so don't, don't take that as
an indicator of your springtime

01:07:46.720 --> 01:07:48.740
population, cause you could have five.

01:07:48.939 --> 01:07:49.560
Yeah, I agree.

01:07:50.130 --> 01:07:52.170
Um, uh, so it, it'll be very different.

01:07:52.650 --> 01:07:53.999
Um, but you know,

01:07:54.180 --> 01:07:55.970
Travis Bader: bear hunting and
you see the deer everywhere.

01:07:56.220 --> 01:07:57.550
It's like, well, nobody deer here.

01:07:57.550 --> 01:07:58.259
You come fall.

01:07:58.260 --> 01:07:58.440
Yeah.

01:07:58.440 --> 01:07:58.899
Good luck.

01:07:59.119 --> 01:07:59.409
Jesse Griffiths: Yeah.

01:07:59.539 --> 01:07:59.739
Travis Bader: Yeah,

01:07:59.740 --> 01:08:00.380
Jesse Griffiths: exactly.

01:08:00.540 --> 01:08:01.220
Exactly.

01:08:01.650 --> 01:08:05.710
Um, you know, I, I love, uh,
I love turkey hunting so much.

01:08:05.710 --> 01:08:08.260
Just be willing to learn,
you know, and don't.

01:08:09.155 --> 01:08:13.005
Don't get dejected just take it all
like sometimes they win, but when

01:08:13.005 --> 01:08:16.465
they win that means they're still
out there Yeah, that's the best part.

01:08:16.535 --> 01:08:19.744
You know get them tomorrow get them
next season somebody else again, you

01:08:19.744 --> 01:08:26.424
know, it's like Just enjoy the process
And when you and I think it is because

01:08:26.425 --> 01:08:31.195
when you do Connect and when you do
make it happen and you you get a nice

01:08:31.195 --> 01:08:35.985
Tom It's just it feels feel so good
because you've you've put in your work.

01:08:36.175 --> 01:08:36.765
Travis Bader: Mm hmm.

01:08:37.705 --> 01:08:42.550
So If you could go back 10
years, what would you have done

01:08:42.560 --> 01:08:43.980
differently in your career?

01:08:47.420 --> 01:08:51.170
I gotta stop asking questions like
that because every single time everyone

01:08:51.170 --> 01:08:54.030
says the same thing, why would, why
would I change a thing every once

01:08:54.030 --> 01:08:58.710
in a while, somebody comes up with
something, but if, what are they,

01:08:58.720 --> 01:09:06.470
what did, um, sugar say on no country
for old men, if the path, if the rule

01:09:06.470 --> 01:09:10.430
that you followed has led you here, or
what gives, of what use was that rule?

01:09:10.680 --> 01:09:12.330
Well, if I'm happy where I am right now.

01:09:12.970 --> 01:09:14.150
Why would I change that?

01:09:14.590 --> 01:09:16.120
Jesse Griffiths: Mm hmm.

01:09:16.120 --> 01:09:16.580
Exactly.

01:09:16.870 --> 01:09:19.710
Um, I have kind of a dream job.

01:09:19.810 --> 01:09:25.060
I, I am involved with this restaurant
that I, I love and I think that people

01:09:25.060 --> 01:09:26.770
love it and I'm very proud of it.

01:09:26.789 --> 01:09:28.809
I think the restaurant does great things.

01:09:29.299 --> 01:09:31.619
I get to interact with great people.

01:09:31.619 --> 01:09:37.930
I get time to spend with my daughter
in the field, um, and I have a terrific

01:09:37.930 --> 01:09:39.630
turkey season coming up ahead of me.

01:09:40.090 --> 01:09:41.750
Um, wouldn't change a thing.

01:09:42.690 --> 01:09:44.850
Travis Bader: Is there anything
that we haven't talked about

01:09:44.850 --> 01:09:46.160
that we should be talking about?

01:09:47.820 --> 01:09:48.900
Jesse Griffiths: Can we
talk about turkeys yet?

01:09:48.900 --> 01:09:49.330
I like to talk about it.

01:09:51.100 --> 01:09:51.600
I'm just kidding.

01:09:51.809 --> 01:09:53.250
Travis Bader: Yeah, we can
talk about turkey support.

01:09:54.689 --> 01:09:58.410
Jesse Griffiths: Um, no, it's, you
know, we're, we're approximately,

01:09:58.449 --> 01:10:01.270
uh, five weeks and two days away
from turkey season starting.

01:10:01.280 --> 01:10:03.180
So I'm, I'm just a little fired up.

01:10:03.590 --> 01:10:05.250
Um, so.

01:10:06.340 --> 01:10:07.400
Uh, no, I don't know.

01:10:07.420 --> 01:10:10.000
You know, the, I've got
these two books out.

01:10:11.020 --> 01:10:17.590
Um, you know, I love, uh, supporting
those, uh, and, you know, maybe planning

01:10:17.590 --> 01:10:19.800
on, on doing some more stuff like that.

01:10:20.780 --> 01:10:25.670
You know, just any, any kind of education,
media is what I'm looking forward to.

01:10:25.670 --> 01:10:27.580
But, um, yeah, I don't know.

01:10:27.690 --> 01:10:29.990
I think that we've, we've covered,
we've covered quite a bit.

01:10:30.009 --> 01:10:33.720
You asked me what my favorite cut of
feral hog is, and I was able to, to, to

01:10:33.720 --> 01:10:35.450
say that, which is, I think, important.

01:10:35.490 --> 01:10:38.449
A good starting point for people
to think about on their next, when

01:10:38.450 --> 01:10:42.150
they're booking, like you, booking
your next, uh, hog hunt to Texas.

01:10:42.150 --> 01:10:43.920
It's just eyes on the prize.

01:10:44.440 --> 01:10:47.840
Um, be thinking about that
cut coming off the grill.

01:10:48.110 --> 01:10:51.110
It's still sizzling a little bit when
you're, when you're on the plane.

01:10:51.660 --> 01:10:53.480
Travis Bader: Well, I'm thinking
about it right now, I tell ya.

01:10:53.520 --> 01:10:57.420
So I'm gonna have to make, make my
way back down to Texas, get myself

01:10:57.420 --> 01:11:03.050
into Austin, see what, uh, Trevor's up
to, stop by Dai Due and, uh, see how

01:11:03.050 --> 01:11:05.550
to, uh, really enjoy some wild hog.

01:11:06.430 --> 01:11:10.630
I'm going to make sure I put links
to your Instagram to, for your books.

01:11:10.720 --> 01:11:12.210
I'll look to your website.

01:11:12.210 --> 01:11:13.850
We'll make sure we've got
all of those links in there.

01:11:13.850 --> 01:11:16.589
So anyone listening for this, just
look in the, uh, the description.

01:11:16.589 --> 01:11:17.959
You'll see all those links there.

01:11:19.000 --> 01:11:22.969
Jesse, thank you so much for
being on the Silvercore podcast.

01:11:22.969 --> 01:11:23.700
I really enjoyed this.

01:11:23.805 --> 01:11:24.435
Conversation.

01:11:24.985 --> 01:11:26.365
Jesse Griffiths: Thank you so much Travis.

01:11:26.365 --> 01:11:28.945
I uh, I hope you can make it
back down here and I really

01:11:28.945 --> 01:11:30.050
appreciate you letting come on.