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What is up everybody and welcome to the

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United States Department of Nerds where we

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are for the people, by the people,

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and of the people.

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And joining me tonight is a man who

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wants to live in your dreams just like

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Freddy Krueger.

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We got John McGuire with his Kickstarter

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in our dreams awake.

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Number three, John,

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how are you doing tonight?

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I'm doing awesome.

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Thanks for having me on.

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So, John,

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let's get down to the nitty-gritty.

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You have a book that, honestly, to me,

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it's like two stories in one,

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but it's the same story told two different

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ways, and it's cool as shit.

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Am I grasping the concept with that there?

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Yeah, absolutely.

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So basically,

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In Our Dreams Awake is the story of

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Jason Byron,

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who is a painter in a fantasy world

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where magic has taken over or has beaten

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out technology.

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And when he goes to sleep at night,

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he wakes up and Jason Byron is a

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gangster in a futuristic cyberpunk world.

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and each time he goes to bed there

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he wakes back up in the fantasy world

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and so as he and the reader we're

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not sure which world is the real one

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which world is the actual dream world he

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has a love in both uh one is

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a woman named laura who's his wife in

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the fantasy world and in the future world

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it's a fish alien woman named femal in

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so um

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there are things in each that he both

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you know he loves but there's also tension

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that's happening and the hope is you know

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from the beginning of the story to the

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end we'll see as his world starts

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spiraling a bit those worlds start

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colliding into each other and then it

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really becomes you know you have to make

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a choice you know what's the what's the

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world you want to live in um and

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so that that's kind of it in a

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longish nutshell

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No, that's terrific.

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And it's such a cool concept that I

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personally have never seen done before.

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So you really gave us something

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Different.

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So I got to ask,

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so how did you come up with this

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idea of the parallel dreams?

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Because it's like the dude never sleeps.

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He goes to sleep and he's immediately

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awake in another, you know, world.

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So which is real and which is the

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dream?

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But how did you come up with that?

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Because it's really cool.

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Yeah.

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So this project's actually over a decade

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old.

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The co-writer and myself,

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the co-writer's name's Egg Embry.

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He we do a lot of like,

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you know, ideas swapping and emails,

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you know,

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throughout the day at our day jobs or

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whatever.

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And I hit upon this idea of,

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you know,

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this guy who goes to sleep in one

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world and wakes up in another and that.

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And he's always looking at like,

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how do we actually do the product?

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And his thought was, well, what if.

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we take that idea and we actually have

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two art teams and you write one of

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the dreams and I write the other dream.

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And that way,

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not only does the art show, hey,

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something very different,

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this is a different world,

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this is a different feel,

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but then also our writing styles are not

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the same.

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So he's gonna have a slightly different

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voice, but at the same time,

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we're editing each other,

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we're smoothing things out to make sure

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it's not completely crazy.

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um but also trying to surprise each other

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a little bit too you know when we

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were writing our stuff so it kind of

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echoes back i think a tiny bit to

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you know like the old uh flip books

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you know what marvel or dc might have

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done back in the day where you get

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one story with one one story with the

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other and the other the other aspect of

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that and one of the reasons it seemed

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like a good idea at the time was

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if for some reason an artist couldn't you

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know finish this stuff or you know

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disappeared on us or whatever it would

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only impact half the book and then

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potentially we could you know uh go get

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somebody else to either finish the story

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or or uh you know kind of start

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fresh and we wouldn't get too far behind

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now that's such a dope concept and you're

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writing the uh the magic version of the

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book right correct yeah i write the the

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fantasy version and then egg is writing

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the cyberpunk side

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So I wish Egg was here with us

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because I really want to know his purpose

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of using the word Keith.

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Well,

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I actually I can tell you the story

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behind that.

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So we we role play online once a

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week, kind of D&D style games or whatever.

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Yeah, of course.

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And one of our friends,

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we actually did this one in person,

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but one of our friends was

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kind of not paying attention to what the

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rest of the table was doing.

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And for some reason,

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he just started calling him Keith in the

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middle of the game.

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He's like, Keith, Keith, you know,

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like pay attention.

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That's not the guy's name,

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but that's what he started saying.

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And we also got a big kick out

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of that.

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We just started laughing about that.

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And, um,

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For some reason, he decided,

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you know what, instead of cussing,

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maybe he was channeling a little bit of

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like Legion of Superheroes or Star

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Galactica or something.

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But he was like,

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I'm going to make that kind of the

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cuss word is Keith, just to say,

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you know.

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No, I mean, after about this,

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about midway through the second book is

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when I really picked up like, oh, dude,

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he just turned to Keith off.

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I'm like, oh,

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I'm grasping the concept now.

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I'm like, dude, I love that concept.

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And the fact that it's born within an

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inside joke amongst a group of friends

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playing D&D is even better.

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Right.

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Because we all have a teeth in our

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life.

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And that's exactly right.

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Like, you know, you just go, oh, yeah,

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I get this.

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And when I was reading the script the

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first time that popped up, I went, oh,

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I see what you did there.

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OK, I got you.

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No, that's probably the dopest concept.

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Have you done Comic-Cons with the book yet

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and had people come up to you and

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go, dude, what the hell is Keith?

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haven't had the keith aspect uh yet um

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because normally you know they're taking

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it home to read um i think i

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think when my wife read it the first

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time she kind of went like what is

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what is this and so i explained a

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little bit a little bit and she's like

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okay and then you know she did the

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eye roll like she normally does to say

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you know at any of our stupid stuff

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that we do but

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um i have obviously done a few of

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the the cons and and free comic book

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day and those type things uh to try

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to get the book out there um so

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yeah that's that's really cool man i love

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that kind of stuff and that that's

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probably what the most heartfelt like just

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what's the word i'm looking for here um

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just something like an inside joke that

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makes it mainstream into something else,

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you know?

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Right.

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Right.

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I think there's a word for it.

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The word escapes me right now,

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but that to me is just like one

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of those, like, yeah, that's really cool.

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And it's something that you have with

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amongst your friends.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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So I know you said this book has

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been a decade in the making.

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Was there a specific film or book or

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maybe a moment that kind of like made

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you grasp this and like come up with

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this concept?

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Um, you know, I don't, the very,

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what's so funny is I have our old

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emails and it just was,

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I think it was me spitballing, you know,

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these ideas and this one kind of hits,

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uh, where, you know,

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sometimes on these email chains,

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you'll go, what about this thing?

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And the other person kind of go,

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doesn't really respond to it.

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You know, maybe they'll say, oh,

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that sounds interesting.

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And then we move on to something else.

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And this one clearly grabbed egg and was

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like, oh, we could do this, this, this.

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As far as like shows or movies,

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when I mentioned it to some other friends,

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they pointed out there's a Twilight Zone

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episode.

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And I wish I could remember the name

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offhand,

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but it's where he's in a the main

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characters in a courtroom.

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And the courtroom kind of does a groundhog

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effect.

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They were like,

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he goes to sleep at night and then

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he wakes back up in that the courtroom

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and everybody's in different place.

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Like, you know,

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the judge is one of the other actors

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and whatever, which I'd never seen it.

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But then I was like, oh, yeah,

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that is kind of similar.

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But I'm sure everything you could probably

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trace everything back to just my love of

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like Groundhog Day in general.

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I think that's everybody really from a

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certain generation of youth that grew up

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in the eighties.

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And that's just one of those movies that

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it would come on what every Thanksgiving

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or something like that.

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And it's just like,

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It's one of those I'll watch on repeat,

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like Christmas Carol or Christmas story,

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you know, where you'll shoot your eye out.

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You know,

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it's like it becomes one of those things

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where it's like a must watch.

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If it's on TV,

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you stop what you're doing.

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I'm watching this.

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Don't bother me for the next hour and

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forty five minutes.

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Exactly.

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There was one other thing that came out.

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So after we kind of come up with

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this idea,

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there was a TV show called Awake that

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literally was this idea.

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I mean, in a lot of ways,

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it's just instead it was a cop.

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And it was,

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I guess it was more maybe a sliding

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doors type effect, you know,

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but it was when he went to sleep

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in one world,

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he woke up in the other one.

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And we actually briefly, I mean,

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we talked about that show a lot.

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We actually briefly even considered like,

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we should do a podcast about that show.

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And then it got canceled probably,

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you know,

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after the half season that it did never

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went anywhere.

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But yeah,

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so it was definitely one of those things

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where, what is it?

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like when you start seeing other things

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that are maybe similar or that kind of

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feed into what you're doing, it's like,

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I feel like I'm on the right track

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with this, you know,

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like you don't want to be,

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you don't want everybody to be doing it,

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but it's like,

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it's nice when you see like, Oh,

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somebody is doing something a little

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similar,

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which means I'm not crazy that this might

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be a story.

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Somebody might want to read, you know?

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yeah no it's definitely one of those and

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i gotta point out the art i love

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the two different styles of art for each

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story um i love that concept and the

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covers on for all these books to be

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fair absolutely phenomenal like it matches

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with what's going on in the story nicely

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like it it

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this is spot on.

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So whoever, who did your art and your,

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your covers and stuff like that,

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definitely they picked up the vibe of the

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story and everything fits together really

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nicely in the book.

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So yeah.

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Yeah.

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You know,

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the fantasy was done by Edgar Salazar and

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we actually, I mean,

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these pages are kind of towards that

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beginning of that decade.

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He did a lot of his work,

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but fantasy story was pretty much done by,

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you know a decade ago um and he's

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now moved on to do marvel and dc

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projects um he's done some like into the

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spider verse and i want to say uh

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the dynamite book that was with the public

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domain heroes i can't think of the name

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i think it was superpowers or whatever he

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did a lot of that stuff and then

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the cyberpunk uh side of things is roland

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uh calnis and uh he we saw his

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art i i

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you know,

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I do the thing where I go onto

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Reddit or I go into some of the

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Facebook book groups and, you know,

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just I'll save posts from artists where

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I'm like, Ooh, that's a cool style.

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Right.

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And when I came across his,

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I immediately forwarded it on the egg.

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And I was like, this,

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I think this is the guy for your,

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your side of the story.

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So I'm going to be honest, the, um,

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the dream punk, you know,

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very like side of the book,

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the egg is right.

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And reminds me of a lot.

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The artwork reminds me of a lot of,

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uh,

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early vertigo constantine yeah i can see

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that definitely and just early vertigo in

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general like that darker stuff they did

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and um i was like i felt like

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i was going back a little bit to

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the old school vertigo days with the

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sandman and constantine oh yeah i was like

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oh i love this part of it but

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then the um the fantasy side the magic

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side of it reminded me a lot of

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uh earlier conan

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Okay, yeah, yeah.

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The colors and the way the characters are

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drawn and that kind of stuff.

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So I was like,

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and I love both of those things,

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the older Conan.

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The new stuff is good.

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Don't get me wrong.

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The reboot of Conan that's currently going

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on,

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This is great stuff.

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The stories are really good from what I

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hear.

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I just, I don't know.

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I'm such a fan of the old Conan

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that it's hard for me to pick up

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the new Conan.

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Unlike with Hellblazer,

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I've been such a huge fan of John

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Constantine for so long that I don't care

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what generation it is.

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I pick it up and read it.

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Sure.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's just one of those characters for me

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that he's one of my characters.

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You know what I'm saying?

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No, absolutely.

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I feel like

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My character like that is The Flash,

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and it's Wally West specifically,

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The Flash.

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He's such a huge...

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You can just about ask anybody who's a

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Flash guy, and it's Wally West.

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Like you said, it's kind of that...

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what you were reading kind of when you

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were in, you know, teenager or whatever.

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Um, and I went back and, you know,

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and I don't have his team Titans

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appearances necessarily,

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but I have from issue one that Mike

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Barron, you know,

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started that series post crisis, you know,

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all the way up now to whatever issue

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they currently are on in the nine hundreds

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or whatever.

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Um,

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Um, and so, you know,

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but I totally get that.

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It's like rain or shine.

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I, every month, if that book comes out,

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I'm going to be getting it.

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And, uh, you know,

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I'm on board and I might mean I

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have to suffer through some, you know,

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subpar stories occasionally, but you know,

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that's my guy.

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And it's like, so for me,

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I'm a big image guy.

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Okay.

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I love indie comics and well,

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I can't even really say image is an

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indie no more.

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but i love what they do over there

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they're they're um creator owned they do a

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lot of stuff with the creators and that

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kind of stuff and produces some fantastic

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fantastic stories and then you know george

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james tinian huge fan of whatever he's

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writing i don't care what it is the

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dude could just write whatever and i'm

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gonna read it because it's got his name

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on it and

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can only think of a couple of things

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like and that was his earlier stuff where

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he was writing superheroes that i was just

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kind of like this was me but then

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you get into like the department of truth

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of something that's killing the children

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um he's writing exquisite corpses right

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now um the deviant you know and you're

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just like

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These are phenomenal stains.

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So for me, it's like,

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ninety percent of my pulls

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Oh, yeah.

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And then Kickstarters and pure indies.

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You know,

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I read a lot of what y'all are

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doing out there.

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Sure, sure.

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No,

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I'm definitely like something's killing

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the children is amazing.

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I'm still I'm like two trades in so

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far.

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So I'm still kind of catching up to

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that.

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You're in that great arc right now,

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though,

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that that arc right there in the beginning

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was.

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I don't want to say call it my

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favorite arc, but.

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But it's definitely up there toward the

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top of the arcs that they have done.

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Okay, that's good to know.

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That's good to know.

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I'm glad to hear that.

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They just released today,

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or tomorrow actually.

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Tomorrow's Wednesday, right?

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Mm-hmm.

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What's it called?

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Their new spinoff series.

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What's it called?

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I think it's a muster hunter walks into

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a bar or something like that.

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Okay.

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It, you know,

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it's focusing back on the main character

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again, which is really cool,

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but I'm excited about that because it's,

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it's new stories from something that's

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killing the children.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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That's all.

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So,

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and then it's been off house of slaughter.

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Like I,

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I have everything from one through

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wherever we're at right now.

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I don't miss a copy of it.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And I, you know, I think that's the,

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I mean, as a collector and everything,

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it's one thing to, you know,

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collect comics,

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but it's like when you're into something,

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when you're into a story or creator or

00:17:36.401 --> 00:17:39.102
whatever, that's like, I don't know,

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picking up that new comic on Wednesday is

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like the best feeling when that you,

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especially if you didn't know it was like,

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you,

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you kind of forgot it was supposed to

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be coming out and you go to your

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box or whatever.

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And you're like, Ooh,

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Okay,

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I know it goes to the top of

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my list, right?

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It's funny you say it like that because

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I literally – this part of my life

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revolves around comic books and being in

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the know, watching the FOCs.

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I do all that stuff.

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But even when I go in on Wednesday

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to pick up my bots,

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I'm still like –

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it's like christmas i mean i know what

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i got i know in the back of

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my head i know what i got yeah

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but it's like at the same time i'm

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like there's always a surprise in there my

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where my comic book shop will he's like

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hey this one came in from ignition press

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which to me ignition press is another one

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okay is that's kind of like jumping onto

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the screen again and they're putting out

00:18:33.003 --> 00:18:34.403
some really great stuff right now

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He's like,

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check out this one from Ignition.

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And I'm like, ooh, I missed this one.

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I didn't see they announced this one was

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coming out this week.

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I thought it was like next month.

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But hey, if it's coming out today,

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I'll take it.

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And they're doing a lot of really good

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stuff right now.

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Ani Press,

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although they're losing Rick and Morty in

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December.

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Boom Studios is always phenomenal.

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Dynamite,

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what they're doing with the reboot of the

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old classic stuff and what they're doing

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with like Thundercats and that kind of

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stuff.

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I just saw an ad for they're doing

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Sundar the Barbarian next, I think.

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Yeah.

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Yep.

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Dynamite.

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Yep.

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Yeah.

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You saw the same one I did.

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I think they announced it yesterday.

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Yeah.

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I was like, wait, what?

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Because it was one of those images that

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popped up and I'm like,

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what exactly am I?

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Oh, okay.

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oh that was me yesterday that was it

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i had that same i'm like oh they're

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doing thunder yeah and i was like i'm

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talking to myself because nobody's at my

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house my wife's at work or whatever and

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it's just me i'm just like oh right

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i'm like thank god i'm home alone

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I can always blame talking to the cats.

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Listen, Courtney,

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I was telling the cats about Fundar.

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They needed to know.

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I was just looking around.

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I was like, wait, did you see mine?

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Because I got three around here somewhere.

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One of mine is asleep in the chair

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beside me.

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Mine are downstairs probably.

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We just had dinner a little bit ago,

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so they're probably down there licking the

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counters or the kitchen table or

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something.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

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Somebody dropped a little sauce somewhere.

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Right.

00:20:04.492 --> 00:20:05.772
Another good one,

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one of the smaller companies.

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I really like Mad Cave.

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I read the Nottingham, you know,

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all those.

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And then I just picked up Dark Pyramid.

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Dark Pyramid, yep.

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They got a few other ones that are

00:20:17.596 --> 00:20:18.115
really good.

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I like it because here's what a lot

00:20:20.297 --> 00:20:20.636
of people,

00:20:20.656 --> 00:20:22.317
they love DC and they love Marvel.

00:20:22.777 --> 00:20:23.998
I personally, on the other hand,

00:20:24.317 --> 00:20:24.978
I want the blood.

00:20:26.278 --> 00:20:28.878
i want the gore i want the spooky

00:20:28.939 --> 00:20:32.059
and the scary and the just scary the

00:20:32.099 --> 00:20:34.059
pants off me when i turn the page

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right and you don't get that with dc

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or marvel but image will do it oh

00:20:39.701 --> 00:20:44.103
yeah mad cave will do it ignition press

00:20:44.202 --> 00:20:46.644
boom studios dynamite all these other guys

00:20:46.663 --> 00:20:48.124
they will well not so much dynamite

00:20:48.163 --> 00:20:49.884
dynamite's really been focused they really

00:20:49.923 --> 00:20:51.684
got their grips in on the um

00:20:52.638 --> 00:20:54.440
The reboots with Space Ghost and

00:20:54.500 --> 00:20:55.779
Thundercats and that kind of stuff.

00:20:55.840 --> 00:20:57.401
And that's their niche.

00:20:57.500 --> 00:20:59.642
And they are absolutely killing that game

00:20:59.682 --> 00:21:00.103
over there.

00:21:00.702 --> 00:21:02.364
So shout out to them that they're doing

00:21:02.403 --> 00:21:03.284
what they're doing over there.

00:21:03.324 --> 00:21:05.785
But yeah, Mad Cave.

00:21:07.465 --> 00:21:09.007
They just did Pop Kill as well.

00:21:10.146 --> 00:21:11.907
Oh, yeah.

00:21:11.928 --> 00:21:13.969
Did you do Pop Kill?

00:21:14.189 --> 00:21:14.308
No.

00:21:14.489 --> 00:21:16.049
It's out on a trade paperback.

00:21:16.069 --> 00:21:17.290
Check that one out.

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I'm writing it down.

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I also have the spot as well.

00:21:22.548 --> 00:21:23.368
What's that one?

00:21:23.409 --> 00:21:25.371
The keen spot, the keen spot.

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All right.

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Yup.

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It's another,

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you're just spending my money now.

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You know that, right?

00:21:32.417 --> 00:21:32.958
It's what I do.

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Cause I, that's me every Wednesday.

00:21:35.400 --> 00:21:36.622
I'll, I'll try a sampling.

00:21:38.028 --> 00:21:39.087
I don't, I don't do DC.

00:21:39.749 --> 00:21:41.309
Oh, I picked up.

00:21:41.490 --> 00:21:43.290
I'll be picking up one DC book tomorrow.

00:21:43.310 --> 00:21:45.053
Cause then the cat woman will be on

00:21:45.093 --> 00:21:46.953
the cover of the absolute series.

00:21:46.973 --> 00:21:47.954
Okay.

00:21:47.974 --> 00:21:49.395
I'll pick that up just because I want

00:21:49.415 --> 00:21:49.536
that.

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There's one book by one artist who did

00:21:52.878 --> 00:21:53.638
a cover for it.

00:21:53.699 --> 00:21:54.920
And I just want his one cover.

00:21:54.940 --> 00:21:55.019
Okay.

00:21:56.881 --> 00:21:56.981
Fair.

00:21:57.001 --> 00:21:58.682
That'll be my one DC book.

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Unless, you know,

00:21:59.603 --> 00:22:01.404
Zatanna has a new cover coming out or

00:22:01.444 --> 00:22:01.724
something.

00:22:01.765 --> 00:22:03.886
Then I'll get Zatanna because I love

00:22:03.926 --> 00:22:04.886
justice league dark.

00:22:05.048 --> 00:22:05.327
And yeah,

00:22:06.359 --> 00:22:07.500
That's basically it for me,

00:22:07.540 --> 00:22:08.840
unless it's a vertigo or something.

00:22:09.761 --> 00:22:11.522
Yeah, fair enough.

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But let's get back to you, man.

00:22:13.483 --> 00:22:15.224
This is all about you.

00:22:15.625 --> 00:22:17.865
So we see a love triangle of sorts

00:22:17.905 --> 00:22:20.307
between Laura and FEMA.

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So what's the emotional core of this story

00:22:23.689 --> 00:22:24.009
for you?

00:22:24.048 --> 00:22:25.769
Is it about love, identity,

00:22:27.550 --> 00:22:28.672
Jason's sanity?

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I think for me...

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there's so many times in our lives,

00:22:33.871 --> 00:22:35.290
it's kind of that path not taken.

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It's the what if moments.

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And I think this is obviously in a

00:22:39.551 --> 00:22:42.012
kind of over dramatic form with the two

00:22:42.032 --> 00:22:42.792
different worlds,

00:22:43.292 --> 00:22:45.493
but it really is that like the grass

00:22:45.614 --> 00:22:47.555
is the grass greener on the other side

00:22:47.634 --> 00:22:48.555
type situation.

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And at the, but at the core,

00:22:51.635 --> 00:22:52.977
I do feel like it is a love

00:22:53.037 --> 00:22:53.396
story.

00:22:53.457 --> 00:22:55.297
It's about, you know,

00:22:55.477 --> 00:22:57.478
how far are you willing to go for

00:22:57.498 --> 00:22:59.218
the people that you love and how far

00:22:59.238 --> 00:23:00.499
are they willing to go for you?

00:23:01.282 --> 00:23:04.608
And what happens when you make mistakes

00:23:05.009 --> 00:23:07.252
that may have impacts to them, you know,

00:23:07.373 --> 00:23:08.474
throughout the story.

00:23:09.355 --> 00:23:12.000
And it really hits home in issue three.

00:23:12.528 --> 00:23:15.130
yeah well issue three is really you know

00:23:15.609 --> 00:23:18.210
the first two issues it's a very hard

00:23:18.269 --> 00:23:20.730
divide you know the first issue has the

00:23:20.770 --> 00:23:22.911
first twelve pages or so are the fantasy

00:23:22.951 --> 00:23:25.531
dream and then we switch to the cyberpunk

00:23:25.551 --> 00:23:27.372
dream and then in issue two it's flipped

00:23:27.412 --> 00:23:29.771
so we have the cyberpunk dream but issue

00:23:29.832 --> 00:23:31.712
three is really where i think what i

00:23:31.752 --> 00:23:33.492
said earlier where those those worlds are

00:23:33.512 --> 00:23:35.794
starting to spiral in and and collide with

00:23:35.814 --> 00:23:39.713
each other and so we cut from cyberpunk

00:23:39.733 --> 00:23:41.615
to fantasy and back

00:23:42.934 --> 00:23:46.836
Multiple times throughout the story to

00:23:46.855 --> 00:23:48.977
show that maybe his sanity is being

00:23:49.037 --> 00:23:49.477
tested.

00:23:49.537 --> 00:23:53.459
Maybe the decisions he's made up to this

00:23:53.499 --> 00:23:56.118
point weren't the best decisions.

00:23:56.619 --> 00:24:01.780
He's kind of losing control in his world.

00:24:04.382 --> 00:24:05.883
I love what y'all did in number three,

00:24:05.923 --> 00:24:06.563
to be fair.

00:24:07.462 --> 00:24:08.923
Anybody out there thinking about it,

00:24:08.963 --> 00:24:10.064
number three hits it.

00:24:11.124 --> 00:24:12.263
Like, it's, like,

00:24:12.284 --> 00:24:14.305
you really start to see Jason,

00:24:15.605 --> 00:24:17.026
I don't want to say losing his shit,

00:24:17.086 --> 00:24:18.605
but he's on the verge of losing his

00:24:18.625 --> 00:24:21.247
shit, it feels like, to some degree.

00:24:21.926 --> 00:24:24.307
And, I mean, in my eyes,

00:24:24.327 --> 00:24:28.348
he had this really lovely lady in the

00:24:28.368 --> 00:24:29.068
fantasy world.

00:24:30.808 --> 00:24:32.730
This alien...

00:24:34.109 --> 00:24:36.915
fish girl in the, in the,

00:24:37.196 --> 00:24:39.622
the dream pump world or the cyber world.

00:24:40.564 --> 00:24:44.211
And it's like two very different things

00:24:44.291 --> 00:24:44.673
really.

00:24:44.752 --> 00:24:44.833
Yeah.

00:24:45.992 --> 00:24:47.795
even though it's like this world's falling

00:24:47.815 --> 00:24:48.055
apart.

00:24:48.075 --> 00:24:49.376
Now this world's falling apart.

00:24:49.396 --> 00:24:52.220
And you're like, damn, Jason, like you're,

00:24:52.319 --> 00:24:53.560
you're in the shit right now.

00:24:53.661 --> 00:24:55.182
Yeah.

00:24:55.202 --> 00:24:56.825
You really just need to hold on as

00:24:56.884 --> 00:24:58.246
tight as you can because this,

00:24:58.386 --> 00:25:00.147
the world's going to buck you from it.

00:25:00.269 --> 00:25:02.891
Almost, you know, look for, I can already,

00:25:02.911 --> 00:25:04.472
I already know is going to be like

00:25:04.653 --> 00:25:06.816
this really awesome, like,

00:25:07.857 --> 00:25:09.420
twist in turns of,

00:25:09.579 --> 00:25:10.861
and hopefully you do it like you did

00:25:10.881 --> 00:25:12.702
number three, where you're like, oh,

00:25:12.722 --> 00:25:13.103
you're here.

00:25:13.564 --> 00:25:13.804
Yeah.

00:25:13.824 --> 00:25:15.425
Something happens dramatic here and it's

00:25:15.445 --> 00:25:16.046
like, bloop,

00:25:16.066 --> 00:25:18.249
he slips back into the other world.

00:25:18.269 --> 00:25:20.211
And yeah, that's exactly, you know,

00:25:20.290 --> 00:25:23.213
basically the moment between two and three

00:25:23.913 --> 00:25:25.715
and the moment that happens early in issue

00:25:25.776 --> 00:25:27.999
three is really these catalysts for,

00:25:28.856 --> 00:25:30.577
the more frenetic, you know,

00:25:30.617 --> 00:25:33.740
changing of scenes, changing of worlds to,

00:25:34.099 --> 00:25:35.320
to kind of, you know,

00:25:35.861 --> 00:25:37.241
hopefully for the reader,

00:25:37.362 --> 00:25:39.042
they start feeling that too,

00:25:39.563 --> 00:25:40.403
where it's not, oh,

00:25:40.462 --> 00:25:41.903
I'm going to get a huge block of

00:25:41.923 --> 00:25:42.124
this.

00:25:42.163 --> 00:25:42.423
It's like,

00:25:42.484 --> 00:25:44.204
I'm going to get two or three pages

00:25:44.586 --> 00:25:45.965
and then we're flipping and then I get

00:25:46.006 --> 00:25:47.386
two or three pages and then we flip

00:25:47.446 --> 00:25:48.667
again, you know, and it's like,

00:25:49.105 --> 00:25:51.027
i really like that to be fair because

00:25:51.047 --> 00:25:53.569
you're like as i'm turning the page well

00:25:53.589 --> 00:25:54.891
i'm not turning the page as i'm scrolling

00:25:54.911 --> 00:25:57.974
the page of this and almost like are

00:25:57.994 --> 00:25:59.395
we going to be in the fantasy world

00:25:59.435 --> 00:26:00.517
are we going to still be in the

00:26:00.657 --> 00:26:03.240
cyber world and it's like oh we're still

00:26:03.279 --> 00:26:04.382
in cyber and then all of a sudden

00:26:04.422 --> 00:26:06.423
it's like the next scroll down it's like

00:26:06.584 --> 00:26:08.566
something dramatic happened here so we're

00:26:08.605 --> 00:26:10.147
right back into the fantasy world again

00:26:10.167 --> 00:26:10.808
and i'm just like

00:26:11.808 --> 00:26:12.369
I'm like, dude,

00:26:12.390 --> 00:26:14.794
they are fucking killing it on this one.

00:26:15.255 --> 00:26:16.777
Pardon my four-letter words there,

00:26:17.117 --> 00:26:18.840
but he's killing it on this one.

00:26:19.201 --> 00:26:20.723
No, we appreciate it for sure.

00:26:21.945 --> 00:26:23.107
That's what...

00:26:23.762 --> 00:26:25.943
What you're saying is what we were hoping

00:26:25.963 --> 00:26:26.503
to convey.

00:26:26.544 --> 00:26:29.904
So that helps to know that it did

00:26:29.924 --> 00:26:30.285
convey that.

00:26:30.326 --> 00:26:32.786
You absolutely nailed it on number three.

00:26:32.946 --> 00:26:35.227
And the first two, like I said,

00:26:35.267 --> 00:26:37.087
they set a perfect stage for what I

00:26:37.107 --> 00:26:39.328
feel is going to be this really great

00:26:40.009 --> 00:26:41.849
number four when y'all get ready to do

00:26:41.950 --> 00:26:42.089
it.

00:26:42.569 --> 00:26:44.070
So in number three is setting up a

00:26:44.191 --> 00:26:47.731
perfect stage for like this big hell storm

00:26:47.852 --> 00:26:49.653
of stuff that's going to happen in number

00:26:49.673 --> 00:26:49.893
four.

00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:53.301
Yeah, I almost want, you know,

00:26:53.622 --> 00:26:55.002
like you saying that is like,

00:26:55.383 --> 00:26:56.743
I want to say things and they are

00:26:56.763 --> 00:26:57.565
all in part four.

00:26:57.585 --> 00:26:59.746
And I'm like, no, no, no spoiling.

00:27:00.006 --> 00:27:04.067
So let's dig into these two realities

00:27:04.107 --> 00:27:05.348
because they're very different.

00:27:06.710 --> 00:27:08.871
to jason i mean it's basically the same

00:27:08.931 --> 00:27:11.771
story playing out for him in just two

00:27:11.791 --> 00:27:14.212
different types of realities so in this

00:27:14.272 --> 00:27:17.315
fantasy world we got the magi ruling tech

00:27:17.335 --> 00:27:20.596
has been forbidden what really inspired

00:27:20.655 --> 00:27:22.356
like that set for y'all to go with

00:27:22.396 --> 00:27:24.617
that type of setting versus something else

00:27:24.798 --> 00:27:28.660
yeah so i think um one of the

00:27:28.700 --> 00:27:30.560
so one of the previous projects i worked

00:27:30.701 --> 00:27:30.800
on

00:27:31.544 --> 00:27:33.645
kind of in between all this was a

00:27:33.726 --> 00:27:36.409
steampunk uh story called the gilded age

00:27:37.028 --> 00:27:38.891
uh that i you know uh did four

00:27:38.931 --> 00:27:40.853
issues of and we did a trade now

00:27:40.893 --> 00:27:42.535
all that and so i think in my

00:27:42.595 --> 00:27:44.396
mind i always kind of wanted to since

00:27:44.416 --> 00:27:46.759
this technically predates that i always

00:27:46.798 --> 00:27:48.421
wanted to kind of write something that was

00:27:48.441 --> 00:27:49.922
a little more on that steampunk

00:27:50.623 --> 00:27:54.884
you know technology magic slash uh world

00:27:55.226 --> 00:27:57.426
and so which is a great genre by

00:27:57.446 --> 00:27:58.727
the way yeah i don't think we get

00:27:58.767 --> 00:28:01.689
enough steampunk in our lives no i would

00:28:01.749 --> 00:28:04.150
agree on that for sure and i think

00:28:04.230 --> 00:28:07.392
that that helped you know once we figured

00:28:07.451 --> 00:28:09.313
out that that was the setting we wanted

00:28:09.813 --> 00:28:12.214
then it helped us to figure out what

00:28:12.255 --> 00:28:15.957
the world was and what did it mean

00:28:15.997 --> 00:28:18.857
that if if tech was you know forbidden

00:28:18.978 --> 00:28:19.558
or whatever how

00:28:20.555 --> 00:28:22.557
how could we incite the incident,

00:28:22.576 --> 00:28:23.657
so to speak, right?

00:28:24.057 --> 00:28:26.720
What is the thing that's driving him?

00:28:26.740 --> 00:28:27.701
And in the first issue,

00:28:27.721 --> 00:28:29.103
we come to find out that it's this

00:28:29.163 --> 00:28:29.903
telescope,

00:28:30.324 --> 00:28:33.165
which is a piece of forbidden tech that

00:28:33.205 --> 00:28:33.767
he has.

00:28:33.787 --> 00:28:34.867
When you think about it,

00:28:34.928 --> 00:28:37.970
you don't think of a telescope as tech.

00:28:38.310 --> 00:28:38.451
Mm-hmm.

00:28:39.582 --> 00:28:41.363
So it's one of those weird things where

00:28:41.383 --> 00:28:42.502
I'm like, a telescope?

00:28:43.324 --> 00:28:44.564
Then I'm like, well,

00:28:44.584 --> 00:28:46.525
I guess in that time... Right, yeah.

00:28:47.704 --> 00:28:49.205
And I think the way it's laid out

00:28:49.266 --> 00:28:51.247
is at one point, this world,

00:28:51.646 --> 00:28:53.587
the fantasy world,

00:28:53.607 --> 00:28:56.409
was at one point technologically advanced.

00:28:56.568 --> 00:28:57.269
Sure, yeah.

00:28:57.288 --> 00:28:59.869
And then the ruling class of the Magi

00:29:00.230 --> 00:29:02.770
kind of reverted it back and banned all

00:29:02.832 --> 00:29:04.912
technology and that kind of stuff.

00:29:04.951 --> 00:29:05.893
That's why they're more...

00:29:07.017 --> 00:29:08.480
it looks more medieval times.

00:29:08.500 --> 00:29:08.960
Yeah.

00:29:09.019 --> 00:29:09.441
Yeah.

00:29:09.540 --> 00:29:10.943
Which again would have been one of those

00:29:10.983 --> 00:29:12.967
times where technology was going to start

00:29:12.987 --> 00:29:15.170
coming back again.

00:29:15.270 --> 00:29:16.732
Yeah, no, that's exactly right.

00:29:16.752 --> 00:29:18.115
It, in my mind,

00:29:18.174 --> 00:29:20.859
it's almost like if you had Da Vinci's

00:29:21.039 --> 00:29:21.601
stuff, uh,

00:29:22.135 --> 00:29:23.478
But then somebody put a stop to it

00:29:23.518 --> 00:29:24.137
immediately.

00:29:24.739 --> 00:29:25.098
Yes.

00:29:25.219 --> 00:29:27.821
So you would have a few things that

00:29:27.862 --> 00:29:30.805
might be buried in some hole in the

00:29:30.845 --> 00:29:31.885
ground, so to speak.

00:29:32.467 --> 00:29:33.969
But for the most part,

00:29:34.009 --> 00:29:37.051
that's where advancement of tech kind of

00:29:37.192 --> 00:29:37.592
ended.

00:29:38.093 --> 00:29:40.536
And then they started going backwards a

00:29:40.596 --> 00:29:41.115
little bit.

00:29:41.195 --> 00:29:41.497
Yeah.

00:29:43.301 --> 00:29:44.782
no it's really cool and we'll flip it

00:29:44.823 --> 00:29:46.042
on the other side now so in the

00:29:46.163 --> 00:29:48.324
cyberpunk world you got flooded cities

00:29:49.523 --> 00:29:53.984
guild aliens this neon rebellion where we

00:29:54.005 --> 00:29:56.385
got talking cats and that kind of stuff

00:29:56.786 --> 00:29:58.506
which is really cool love that concept

00:29:58.526 --> 00:30:00.047
because i know the cats were your idea

00:30:01.146 --> 00:30:02.867
well so how did you visualize that

00:30:02.907 --> 00:30:05.768
contrast because it is a drastic contrast

00:30:05.827 --> 00:30:08.608
but there's that one you know tie in

00:30:08.628 --> 00:30:10.390
line in there with not just jason but

00:30:10.430 --> 00:30:11.289
the spaceship

00:30:11.912 --> 00:30:12.231
Yes.

00:30:12.311 --> 00:30:14.833
So that was the I don't you know,

00:30:14.893 --> 00:30:16.134
I wish I remembered, you know,

00:30:16.193 --> 00:30:17.954
who came up with that part of the

00:30:18.035 --> 00:30:19.194
idea is what does he see in the

00:30:19.234 --> 00:30:19.775
telescope?

00:30:19.816 --> 00:30:22.257
But once it was said out loud,

00:30:22.317 --> 00:30:24.597
he's going to see a spaceship that's kind

00:30:24.637 --> 00:30:29.119
of from the future stuff that it just

00:30:29.180 --> 00:30:30.339
crystallizes like, oh,

00:30:30.400 --> 00:30:31.480
that's that's great.

00:30:31.520 --> 00:30:33.442
Like that's the first moment of these two

00:30:33.481 --> 00:30:36.002
worlds kind of starting to bleed a little

00:30:36.042 --> 00:30:38.864
bit together as far as the cats.

00:30:39.804 --> 00:30:41.444
that's all egg actually and what's weird

00:30:41.484 --> 00:30:43.366
is he's really he's not a cat guy

00:30:43.386 --> 00:30:45.989
he's not an animal guy really but what

00:30:46.028 --> 00:30:49.632
happened is is for issue one when we

00:30:49.652 --> 00:30:51.292
did the kickstarter for that one of our

00:30:51.753 --> 00:30:54.035
uh reward levels was get drawn into a

00:30:54.075 --> 00:30:57.538
comic and uh a backer reached out to

00:30:57.557 --> 00:30:58.999
us and said listen i don't want to

00:30:59.038 --> 00:31:00.961
appear in the comic but if you could

00:31:01.000 --> 00:31:03.202
draw a couple of my cats into the

00:31:03.242 --> 00:31:03.623
comic

00:31:04.493 --> 00:31:06.255
And at that point, Egg went, well,

00:31:06.295 --> 00:31:07.056
wait a second.

00:31:07.895 --> 00:31:09.277
Why not just make them a part,

00:31:09.336 --> 00:31:10.718
not just background characters?

00:31:10.738 --> 00:31:12.839
We're going to make them legit like some

00:31:12.880 --> 00:31:13.380
of the bad guys.

00:31:13.400 --> 00:31:14.201
Dude, that to me,

00:31:14.240 --> 00:31:15.240
as soon as I seen that,

00:31:15.300 --> 00:31:15.582
I was like,

00:31:15.602 --> 00:31:16.903
and I knew you were a cat guy.

00:31:17.083 --> 00:31:18.443
I mean, I read your bio and all.

00:31:18.743 --> 00:31:20.365
I do my due diligence for people out

00:31:20.384 --> 00:31:20.644
there.

00:31:20.765 --> 00:31:23.707
I read and find out what people do

00:31:23.747 --> 00:31:25.127
and what their things are.

00:31:25.769 --> 00:31:27.289
I read up on you.

00:31:27.509 --> 00:31:27.710
Mm-hmm.

00:31:28.628 --> 00:31:30.750
But I was like, dude, Talking Cats,

00:31:30.789 --> 00:31:31.730
I love it already.

00:31:31.829 --> 00:31:32.369
I'm sold.

00:31:32.810 --> 00:31:33.250
Yeah.

00:31:33.330 --> 00:31:34.730
Well, all he had to say was that.

00:31:34.750 --> 00:31:35.791
And I was like, yeah, I'm down.

00:31:35.872 --> 00:31:36.491
Let's do that.

00:31:36.811 --> 00:31:38.553
That sounds great, man.

00:31:38.613 --> 00:31:40.333
And I think it's, again,

00:31:40.373 --> 00:31:41.753
it's one of those happy accidents,

00:31:41.794 --> 00:31:42.334
I feel like,

00:31:42.413 --> 00:31:46.516
when an idea is presented between one of

00:31:46.596 --> 00:31:46.715
us.

00:31:47.476 --> 00:31:49.436
And then you just go, Oh yeah,

00:31:49.477 --> 00:31:50.297
that's the thing.

00:31:50.356 --> 00:31:51.357
Like that was,

00:31:51.377 --> 00:31:52.637
I don't want to say the missing piece,

00:31:52.657 --> 00:31:54.578
but maybe the missing piece of this part

00:31:54.598 --> 00:31:55.659
of the story, you know,

00:31:56.519 --> 00:31:58.000
Bob Ross taught us anything.

00:31:58.059 --> 00:31:59.980
It's nothing but happy little mistakes.

00:32:00.141 --> 00:32:00.840
Exactly.

00:32:01.020 --> 00:32:01.621
Exactly.

00:32:01.980 --> 00:32:02.682
But yet, you know,

00:32:02.721 --> 00:32:04.843
the other aspect of the cyberpunk side of

00:32:04.883 --> 00:32:09.544
things was this is weirdly again,

00:32:09.564 --> 00:32:13.145
because the project has taken so long to

00:32:13.165 --> 00:32:14.185
get out there and

00:32:14.513 --> 00:32:17.135
we had a very different artist originally

00:32:17.516 --> 00:32:20.478
and he did, you know, I don't know.

00:32:20.498 --> 00:32:22.619
He might've done total pages worth of art

00:32:23.140 --> 00:32:24.421
and then fell off the face of the

00:32:24.480 --> 00:32:24.681
earth.

00:32:24.701 --> 00:32:25.801
Like we could not find them,

00:32:25.842 --> 00:32:27.323
could not get ahold of him, anything.

00:32:27.363 --> 00:32:28.943
So we can't really use that work.

00:32:28.963 --> 00:32:32.066
I've heard of that happening to people.

00:32:32.086 --> 00:32:32.326
Yeah.

00:32:32.386 --> 00:32:33.867
And so at that point it was a

00:32:33.907 --> 00:32:35.429
little, it was less cyberpunk.

00:32:35.469 --> 00:32:37.170
It was probably just more futuristic,

00:32:37.210 --> 00:32:37.569
you know?

00:32:38.851 --> 00:32:41.613
And when we going back to Roland's,

00:32:41.673 --> 00:32:42.913
when we saw his art,

00:32:43.714 --> 00:32:46.435
it just crystallized that this is the mood

00:32:46.516 --> 00:32:48.675
this is the the what you said earlier

00:32:48.715 --> 00:32:52.116
like grit like gritty vertigo kind of

00:32:52.217 --> 00:32:54.938
inspired feel to things still have that

00:32:55.038 --> 00:32:57.959
neon um you know i i do love

00:32:57.999 --> 00:33:00.019
how the neon is just kind of like

00:33:00.539 --> 00:33:04.300
random yeah yeah and it's no real like

00:33:05.030 --> 00:33:07.852
contrast to anything it's just random and

00:33:07.892 --> 00:33:10.292
i love that about the neon that appears

00:33:10.313 --> 00:33:12.894
it's almost like it's just all black and

00:33:12.913 --> 00:33:16.015
then there's like these random neons

00:33:16.234 --> 00:33:18.635
sprinkled in i love that concept that's

00:33:18.776 --> 00:33:21.416
how he did that yeah yeah he he

00:33:21.436 --> 00:33:22.478
died i mean it's just one of those

00:33:22.518 --> 00:33:24.198
things we kept getting pages and we were

00:33:24.218 --> 00:33:26.858
like oh okay wow which again you know

00:33:27.279 --> 00:33:27.880
as a writer

00:33:28.759 --> 00:33:30.721
it can be kind of a lonely time

00:33:30.741 --> 00:33:32.304
to just be sitting at your desk and

00:33:32.344 --> 00:33:33.704
not do, you know, not,

00:33:33.724 --> 00:33:35.207
you're just churning out words or whatever

00:33:35.247 --> 00:33:35.968
you don't really know.

00:33:36.387 --> 00:33:38.951
But when artists send you pages, I mean,

00:33:38.971 --> 00:33:40.491
we talked about Christmas day with like

00:33:40.532 --> 00:33:41.453
your new comic day,

00:33:41.493 --> 00:33:44.616
but when artists page comes in and it's

00:33:44.676 --> 00:33:45.538
just like, wow,

00:33:45.617 --> 00:33:46.919
like you kind of have to sit back

00:33:46.959 --> 00:33:48.201
and go, that is amazing.

00:33:48.240 --> 00:33:48.520
Cause like,

00:33:48.976 --> 00:33:50.136
you know, at the end of the day,

00:33:50.156 --> 00:33:52.559
I'm writing words on a page and somebody

00:33:52.619 --> 00:33:54.501
else is having to interpret that and make

00:33:54.602 --> 00:33:56.263
it come to that next level.

00:33:56.464 --> 00:33:56.744
You know,

00:33:57.184 --> 00:33:58.567
who's doing the lettering for y'all?

00:33:58.767 --> 00:34:00.788
Are y'all doing your own lettering or is

00:34:00.808 --> 00:34:02.250
that the artist doing your lettering as

00:34:02.270 --> 00:34:02.471
well?

00:34:02.490 --> 00:34:05.173
No, actually it's a guy named Alex Lugo,

00:34:05.355 --> 00:34:08.237
who is a perfect shout them out, man.

00:34:08.378 --> 00:34:09.840
Letters don't get enough love.

00:34:10.324 --> 00:34:12.146
No, I love what Alex has done.

00:34:12.186 --> 00:34:14.327
He actually helps also format the book for

00:34:14.867 --> 00:34:16.527
publication and everything as well.

00:34:16.548 --> 00:34:18.369
So he's kind of a jack of all

00:34:18.409 --> 00:34:18.809
trades.

00:34:18.829 --> 00:34:20.490
He's an artist on the side.

00:34:20.550 --> 00:34:22.492
I think he said when I talked to

00:34:22.512 --> 00:34:23.371
him last, he's like,

00:34:24.293 --> 00:34:25.554
just let me know when issue four is

00:34:25.594 --> 00:34:28.135
ready to go and I'll get started on

00:34:28.155 --> 00:34:28.414
that.

00:34:28.474 --> 00:34:29.775
And he's going to start working on some

00:34:29.815 --> 00:34:30.735
of his own stuff too.

00:34:30.775 --> 00:34:32.797
But yeah, he was one of those...

00:34:34.266 --> 00:34:36.726
i've done some minor lettering you know on

00:34:36.766 --> 00:34:39.907
like very indie stuff i eggs done some

00:34:39.947 --> 00:34:43.289
minor but to get alex brings like a

00:34:43.329 --> 00:34:45.409
level of professionalism that just ties

00:34:45.469 --> 00:34:47.949
everything together in a great way i think

00:34:49.250 --> 00:34:51.269
you know like and it really say lettering

00:34:51.289 --> 00:34:54.831
can make or break a good comic book

00:34:55.351 --> 00:34:57.030
and if you're looking at a comic book

00:34:57.070 --> 00:34:58.271
and you flip the page and it's just

00:34:58.351 --> 00:35:01.251
a whole bunch of words barfed up on

00:35:01.291 --> 00:35:02.731
a page with no rhyme or reason

00:35:04.351 --> 00:35:05.873
you're going to put that comic book down

00:35:06.034 --> 00:35:07.675
and go, I'm not reading all that.

00:35:07.974 --> 00:35:09.016
I have no, I like,

00:35:09.217 --> 00:35:10.518
what is even this?

00:35:11.057 --> 00:35:11.398
Yes.

00:35:11.498 --> 00:35:11.838
Yes.

00:35:12.820 --> 00:35:13.900
I think too, it,

00:35:14.121 --> 00:35:18.025
it helps sometimes just the flow,

00:35:18.204 --> 00:35:19.606
you know, like again, you're writing,

00:35:19.726 --> 00:35:21.527
I'm writing, you know, character dialogue,

00:35:21.568 --> 00:35:22.329
character dialogue,

00:35:22.869 --> 00:35:24.490
the way he is able to place it

00:35:24.530 --> 00:35:25.291
on the page is,

00:35:26.025 --> 00:35:27.706
Especially those pages where we probably

00:35:27.746 --> 00:35:29.588
maybe had too much dialogue on a

00:35:29.628 --> 00:35:30.829
particular page, right?

00:35:31.168 --> 00:35:31.929
And he somehow,

00:35:32.230 --> 00:35:34.411
through magic or witchcraft or something,

00:35:34.471 --> 00:35:36.853
has figured out how to actually do it.

00:35:38.434 --> 00:35:40.876
An experienced letter will make or break

00:35:40.916 --> 00:35:41.735
your comic book.

00:35:41.856 --> 00:35:44.498
And I tell people this all the time.

00:35:45.759 --> 00:35:47.840
Because you don't want to misplace a word

00:35:47.900 --> 00:35:48.360
box.

00:35:49.202 --> 00:35:51.362
Because you could hide details that are

00:35:51.742 --> 00:35:53.284
relevant to a...

00:35:54.764 --> 00:35:55.304
a scene.

00:35:56.905 --> 00:35:57.885
And you don't want to do that.

00:35:58.427 --> 00:36:00.728
Because what happens later is when you get

00:36:00.748 --> 00:36:01.429
to another page,

00:36:01.469 --> 00:36:02.829
and they reference something back to that

00:36:02.909 --> 00:36:03.829
other page into like,

00:36:04.630 --> 00:36:05.731
I don't remember seeing that.

00:36:05.831 --> 00:36:06.592
And if you're like me,

00:36:06.612 --> 00:36:07.813
when I read a comic book,

00:36:08.634 --> 00:36:10.094
I read the comic book,

00:36:10.335 --> 00:36:11.394
I study the page,

00:36:11.454 --> 00:36:12.596
I look at the details,

00:36:12.675 --> 00:36:14.177
I want to see if there's an Easter

00:36:14.336 --> 00:36:15.838
egg or something hidden within these

00:36:15.878 --> 00:36:16.398
pages.

00:36:17.219 --> 00:36:18.820
Because some artists like to fuck with us

00:36:18.860 --> 00:36:20.001
like that they'll hide stuff.

00:36:20.021 --> 00:36:20.121
Sure.

00:36:21.141 --> 00:36:22.362
And then they'll call it back.

00:36:24.206 --> 00:36:25.847
they'll make a reference to it and you're

00:36:25.887 --> 00:36:30.351
like was that oh it was what he

00:36:30.371 --> 00:36:32.813
was talking about okay i'm tracking what

00:36:32.833 --> 00:36:34.414
they're picking they're putting down now

00:36:35.775 --> 00:36:38.257
so that can again make or break a

00:36:38.318 --> 00:36:40.699
good comic book yeah no you're absolutely

00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:43.822
right on that we're lucky to have uh

00:36:43.963 --> 00:36:44.603
alex uh

00:36:45.273 --> 00:36:47.514
helping put our words on the page in

00:36:48.135 --> 00:36:49.114
a readable way.

00:36:50.295 --> 00:36:53.717
No, everything meshes so well together.

00:36:54.197 --> 00:36:55.759
And it's one of those,

00:36:56.920 --> 00:36:59.721
it makes it enjoyable to read because it

00:36:59.760 --> 00:37:03.443
should be a fine balance of words and

00:37:03.742 --> 00:37:06.324
art and stuff going on.

00:37:06.344 --> 00:37:10.246
And he's nailed it.

00:37:12.550 --> 00:37:14.431
Well, I'll have to pass that along.

00:37:14.472 --> 00:37:15.271
He'll be happy.

00:37:15.632 --> 00:37:17.032
I'm an egg to let them know that

00:37:18.012 --> 00:37:22.114
they've in this cover for three with the

00:37:22.315 --> 00:37:23.335
Magi on the cover.

00:37:23.635 --> 00:37:24.536
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:37:24.556 --> 00:37:25.677
I don't know who did that cover,

00:37:26.637 --> 00:37:28.697
but that cover is amazing.

00:37:28.898 --> 00:37:29.677
I love that cover.

00:37:30.259 --> 00:37:31.838
So that's Jose Garcia.

00:37:31.938 --> 00:37:34.019
And again, it goes back to that,

00:37:34.840 --> 00:37:35.001
you know,

00:37:35.021 --> 00:37:36.420
as we're doing these Kickstarters,

00:37:36.460 --> 00:37:38.422
as I'm looking for project artists and

00:37:38.461 --> 00:37:39.722
stuff, you know, a flag,

00:37:39.742 --> 00:37:39.802
you

00:37:40.438 --> 00:37:41.259
you know, certain posts,

00:37:41.278 --> 00:37:43.659
whether it's on blue sky or Facebook or

00:37:43.699 --> 00:37:44.161
whatever.

00:37:44.581 --> 00:37:46.322
And he's one I'd flagged at one point

00:37:46.362 --> 00:37:48.202
is like, maybe, you know, and he was,

00:37:48.262 --> 00:37:50.202
I mean, he did this one.

00:37:50.802 --> 00:37:52.304
It's taken a minute to this issue to

00:37:52.324 --> 00:37:52.704
get out,

00:37:52.724 --> 00:37:53.925
but I think he did this one over

00:37:53.965 --> 00:37:54.625
a year ago.

00:37:55.304 --> 00:37:56.445
And, um,

00:37:57.594 --> 00:37:58.414
It was one of those things I think

00:37:58.454 --> 00:37:59.956
he was running a sale, you know,

00:37:59.996 --> 00:38:01.057
on like a cover piece.

00:38:01.577 --> 00:38:02.199
And he had, you know,

00:38:02.378 --> 00:38:03.179
X number of spots.

00:38:03.239 --> 00:38:04.702
And so I immediately DM'd him.

00:38:04.762 --> 00:38:07.704
I was like, hey, you have a spot.

00:38:07.905 --> 00:38:09.086
I'm down, man.

00:38:09.146 --> 00:38:10.168
I got real money.

00:38:10.188 --> 00:38:12.349
He did a phenomenal cover for y'all.

00:38:12.510 --> 00:38:14.072
So shout out to him because that was

00:38:14.112 --> 00:38:15.213
a phenomenal cover.

00:38:15.273 --> 00:38:16.293
As soon as I seen the cover,

00:38:16.353 --> 00:38:18.195
I was like, that's the art I'm using.

00:38:19.246 --> 00:38:19.786
I already knew.

00:38:19.827 --> 00:38:21.047
As soon as I seen that cover,

00:38:21.068 --> 00:38:22.869
I was like, I'm going with that one.

00:38:23.309 --> 00:38:25.068
That cover is amazing.

00:38:25.110 --> 00:38:26.309
I love the other cover too,

00:38:26.670 --> 00:38:30.371
but just something about how the Magi look

00:38:30.512 --> 00:38:33.132
on that cover really sets the tone.

00:38:33.686 --> 00:38:35.969
Yeah, yeah, definitely.

00:38:36.028 --> 00:38:37.471
I love the idea because, you know,

00:38:37.510 --> 00:38:38.452
it's that weird thing, too.

00:38:38.492 --> 00:38:39.974
It's like what, you know, he's like, well,

00:38:39.994 --> 00:38:40.855
what do you want me to draw?

00:38:40.876 --> 00:38:42.137
And it's like, well, I guess, you know,

00:38:42.157 --> 00:38:43.659
maybe the bad guys, you know,

00:38:43.699 --> 00:38:46.623
like we haven't really we focused on Jason

00:38:46.643 --> 00:38:47.945
with issue one, you know,

00:38:47.985 --> 00:38:49.626
with the flip the world, you know,

00:38:49.686 --> 00:38:50.268
the two worlds.

00:38:50.307 --> 00:38:50.869
And then we had.

00:38:51.389 --> 00:38:53.992
the homage to uh the flash of two

00:38:54.032 --> 00:38:56.233
worlds for the fantasy cover for issue two

00:38:56.253 --> 00:38:57.994
and i was like we haven't really focused

00:38:58.034 --> 00:38:59.717
on the bad guys yet and he just

00:39:00.217 --> 00:39:02.018
again i got those pages or got those

00:39:02.059 --> 00:39:03.760
initial sketches and i was like oh this

00:39:03.800 --> 00:39:08.585
is this is cool man he absolutely nailed

00:39:08.625 --> 00:39:10.686
the vibe of the entire book with the

00:39:10.726 --> 00:39:13.349
villains and that's another thing villains

00:39:13.369 --> 00:39:15.192
don't get enough love on covers

00:39:16.525 --> 00:39:17.065
I agree.

00:39:17.204 --> 00:39:17.746
I agree.

00:39:17.925 --> 00:39:20.327
I think sometimes we get so focused on

00:39:20.367 --> 00:39:21.768
who the protagonist is,

00:39:21.807 --> 00:39:24.168
we forget that without our antagonist,

00:39:24.228 --> 00:39:25.369
we don't have a story, right?

00:39:25.389 --> 00:39:26.230
I will say this.

00:39:26.489 --> 00:39:29.731
DC currently has the Absolute thing going

00:39:29.811 --> 00:39:29.952
on,

00:39:29.992 --> 00:39:31.873
and they're releasing their villains

00:39:32.393 --> 00:39:32.914
currently.

00:39:34.213 --> 00:39:36.195
Those covers are some amazing covers.

00:39:36.235 --> 00:39:37.476
So they're putting some focus on the

00:39:37.536 --> 00:39:38.637
villains for once.

00:39:38.976 --> 00:39:39.697
Yeah.

00:39:39.777 --> 00:39:41.818
And the Absolute Joker in that series is

00:39:41.838 --> 00:39:42.239
going to be...

00:39:44.945 --> 00:39:45.865
He reminds me of the,

00:39:45.885 --> 00:39:47.226
I don't know if you were ever into

00:39:47.407 --> 00:39:48.887
Image Comics and Spawn.

00:39:48.907 --> 00:39:50.088
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:39:50.108 --> 00:39:50.987
But the Violator.

00:39:51.648 --> 00:39:52.007
Oh, yeah.

00:39:52.268 --> 00:39:53.208
The actual Violator.

00:39:53.309 --> 00:39:54.068
Yeah.

00:39:54.188 --> 00:39:56.409
That is what the absolute Joker reminds me

00:39:56.570 --> 00:39:56.750
of.

00:39:57.170 --> 00:39:57.449
Oh, yeah.

00:39:57.489 --> 00:39:59.431
It's the Violator in Violator form.

00:40:00.130 --> 00:40:01.831
All those early Image books,

00:40:01.952 --> 00:40:04.012
I was on board with all of them.

00:40:04.032 --> 00:40:06.132
I've got boxes upstairs that are just...

00:40:06.914 --> 00:40:09.195
you know saying multiple issues you know i

00:40:09.215 --> 00:40:10.815
don't know maybe fifty issues worth of

00:40:10.856 --> 00:40:13.617
spawn at least savage dragon i never

00:40:13.637 --> 00:40:16.137
stopped collecting spawn i have gone back

00:40:16.177 --> 00:40:18.478
and i quit collecting for a very long

00:40:18.518 --> 00:40:20.438
time and i thought spawn fell off the

00:40:20.478 --> 00:40:22.559
map because at the time image was a

00:40:22.860 --> 00:40:25.501
pure indie thing they had young blood

00:40:26.041 --> 00:40:29.663
savage dragon spawn and then i came back

00:40:29.682 --> 00:40:31.903
to comic books many years later and it's

00:40:31.963 --> 00:40:32.324
like

00:40:33.291 --> 00:40:34.731
holy shit, spawn's still a thing.

00:40:34.771 --> 00:40:36.271
And I got the trade paperbacks because I'm

00:40:36.291 --> 00:40:36.431
like,

00:40:36.452 --> 00:40:37.432
there's no way I'm going to go back

00:40:37.492 --> 00:40:40.594
and pay prices for, you know.

00:40:40.673 --> 00:40:42.514
And then ever since, I've been like,

00:40:42.695 --> 00:40:44.235
every week, if there's a new spawn,

00:40:44.416 --> 00:40:46.016
I don't care if it's gunslinger spawn or

00:40:46.056 --> 00:40:46.356
what.

00:40:46.856 --> 00:40:49.117
I just always loved that universe.

00:40:49.478 --> 00:40:50.239
Yeah.

00:40:50.298 --> 00:40:51.378
No, McFarlane, I mean,

00:40:51.838 --> 00:40:54.159
he created something that was, again,

00:40:54.219 --> 00:40:56.420
different from anything else that was on

00:40:56.460 --> 00:40:57.481
the stands at the time.

00:40:58.882 --> 00:40:59.702
You know, and it was...

00:41:00.702 --> 00:41:00.882
I mean,

00:41:00.922 --> 00:41:02.643
obviously his art is what it is.

00:41:02.684 --> 00:41:04.483
I mean, it's amazing in and of itself,

00:41:04.543 --> 00:41:07.085
but just, yeah, those, those early days,

00:41:07.144 --> 00:41:08.965
it really, all those, it was so,

00:41:09.465 --> 00:41:11.126
there was such an excitement, you know,

00:41:11.166 --> 00:41:12.768
there was a fever for all that.

00:41:13.427 --> 00:41:14.987
And it was unique.

00:41:15.108 --> 00:41:15.768
Yeah.

00:41:18.170 --> 00:41:20.610
It didn't follow the rules of normal

00:41:20.650 --> 00:41:21.471
superheroes.

00:41:22.210 --> 00:41:23.251
Yes.

00:41:23.371 --> 00:41:24.851
So that's why,

00:41:24.911 --> 00:41:26.472
why it always stuck with me, I guess,

00:41:26.572 --> 00:41:26.893
but yeah,

00:41:30.192 --> 00:41:31.773
So personal question.

00:41:32.233 --> 00:41:32.472
Okay.

00:41:32.913 --> 00:41:34.673
Which world would you rather live in?

00:41:36.135 --> 00:41:39.436
The mythical world or the mechanical

00:41:39.476 --> 00:41:39.817
world?

00:41:40.197 --> 00:41:44.760
So we got your magi or your aliens.

00:41:44.800 --> 00:41:45.960
Which one are you going with if you

00:41:45.980 --> 00:41:46.541
got to pick?

00:41:46.561 --> 00:41:50.302
Yeah, I don't know.

00:41:50.983 --> 00:41:53.403
I feel like it's so rough in the

00:41:53.463 --> 00:41:54.304
future world.

00:41:55.123 --> 00:41:57.583
that just a day-to-day survival is going

00:41:57.603 --> 00:41:59.885
to be just difficult to do,

00:42:00.025 --> 00:42:01.644
I probably would opt for the fantasy

00:42:01.664 --> 00:42:03.766
because while I don't really have any

00:42:03.826 --> 00:42:07.867
natural farming or whatever skills in my

00:42:07.947 --> 00:42:08.608
real life,

00:42:09.027 --> 00:42:10.789
I might be able to get by with

00:42:11.429 --> 00:42:13.208
some trade or whatever.

00:42:13.329 --> 00:42:16.271
But hey, in the cyberpunk world,

00:42:16.291 --> 00:42:17.371
you get to talk to your cat.

00:42:18.541 --> 00:42:19.340
That is true.

00:42:19.481 --> 00:42:20.461
So, I mean,

00:42:20.641 --> 00:42:22.141
you got to really think about that one.

00:42:22.161 --> 00:42:22.242
Yeah.

00:42:23.601 --> 00:42:25.182
Although my cats would just be like, hey,

00:42:25.362 --> 00:42:26.362
give me another snack.

00:42:26.543 --> 00:42:27.103
Right.

00:42:27.202 --> 00:42:27.882
It's dinner time.

00:42:28.003 --> 00:42:28.643
I just fed you.

00:42:28.682 --> 00:42:29.884
No, it's dinner time.

00:42:29.943 --> 00:42:30.264
Really?

00:42:30.344 --> 00:42:30.543
Yeah.

00:42:31.224 --> 00:42:31.784
So maybe not.

00:42:31.824 --> 00:42:33.204
I probably would go with the fantasy world

00:42:33.244 --> 00:42:34.885
because that would be the entire

00:42:34.905 --> 00:42:37.045
conversations at all points with my cats.

00:42:37.065 --> 00:42:37.244
Right.

00:42:37.324 --> 00:42:37.724
Exactly.

00:42:37.804 --> 00:42:39.365
I basically have those conversations

00:42:39.405 --> 00:42:40.206
anyway, you know.

00:42:40.925 --> 00:42:43.146
yeah so I gotta ask though as a

00:42:43.226 --> 00:42:46.228
writer between you and egg how did you

00:42:46.248 --> 00:42:49.250
keep both these worlds distinct but

00:42:49.309 --> 00:42:51.650
connected you know as a from a theme

00:42:51.831 --> 00:42:54.811
standpoint you know oh I think that all

00:42:54.851 --> 00:42:57.313
starts like early on I you know I

00:42:57.333 --> 00:42:59.414
don't want to say a pure outlining type

00:42:59.454 --> 00:43:01.934
thing but we definitely talked about the

00:43:01.994 --> 00:43:04.456
story we talked about the kind of story

00:43:04.496 --> 00:43:06.137
we wanted to tell what we were I

00:43:06.157 --> 00:43:06.677
mean we had

00:43:07.697 --> 00:43:09.139
so many talks, whether it was, you know,

00:43:09.179 --> 00:43:09.960
at dinners or,

00:43:10.079 --> 00:43:12.222
or whatever about this project before.

00:43:12.342 --> 00:43:13.704
So is egg a neighbor with you as

00:43:13.744 --> 00:43:13.985
well?

00:43:14.184 --> 00:43:15.586
Like, uh, well, he lives low.

00:43:15.646 --> 00:43:17.009
He lives in the Atlanta area as well.

00:43:17.028 --> 00:43:18.530
We actually went to high school together.

00:43:18.590 --> 00:43:20.333
So I've known him for forever.

00:43:20.994 --> 00:43:24.057
And, um, he, he does a lot, uh,

00:43:24.784 --> 00:43:26.224
he doesn't really do a lot of comic

00:43:26.264 --> 00:43:26.766
related things.

00:43:26.806 --> 00:43:28.447
I basically dragged him back into it,

00:43:28.467 --> 00:43:29.628
but he does a lot of role playing

00:43:29.668 --> 00:43:32.911
related articles and zines and stuff like

00:43:32.951 --> 00:43:33.251
that.

00:43:33.331 --> 00:43:36.094
So, but yeah, yeah, we just,

00:43:36.233 --> 00:43:37.054
we talked about,

00:43:37.295 --> 00:43:38.936
we talked about the story for a long

00:43:38.996 --> 00:43:40.157
time before I think we,

00:43:40.237 --> 00:43:41.918
either of us put any words down on

00:43:42.159 --> 00:43:44.420
the page and then it was just,

00:43:44.740 --> 00:43:44.981
you know,

00:43:45.001 --> 00:43:47.923
writing the script and then sending it,

00:43:47.943 --> 00:43:48.364
you know,

00:43:48.403 --> 00:43:50.105
kind of doing the script swap of like,

00:43:50.125 --> 00:43:51.246
this is what I'm thinking.

00:43:51.326 --> 00:43:52.728
And then just kind of doing an edit

00:43:52.748 --> 00:43:53.128
where we,

00:43:54.385 --> 00:43:56.708
It wasn't a grammar edit or anything.

00:43:56.728 --> 00:43:57.728
It was really a story edit.

00:43:57.768 --> 00:44:00.030
It's like, hey, if you're doing this,

00:44:00.110 --> 00:44:01.951
then maybe we need to introduce this into

00:44:01.990 --> 00:44:02.692
my story.

00:44:02.911 --> 00:44:05.092
Or, hey, does this work for this?

00:44:06.054 --> 00:44:07.795
To try to, again,

00:44:08.014 --> 00:44:09.056
they need to be separate,

00:44:09.096 --> 00:44:11.237
but they do need to have that slow

00:44:11.277 --> 00:44:12.657
come together as well.

00:44:12.858 --> 00:44:13.539
Yeah.

00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:17.360
And so hopefully we manage that through

00:44:17.380 --> 00:44:18.021
that process.

00:44:18.621 --> 00:44:20.581
Y'all absolutely nailed it,

00:44:20.601 --> 00:44:22.103
whatever the process was.

00:44:22.382 --> 00:44:23.903
Because it's like I said in the beginning,

00:44:24.023 --> 00:44:27.284
it's two separate stories telling almost

00:44:27.324 --> 00:44:29.827
the same as that story that are starting

00:44:29.867 --> 00:44:32.568
to collide or collapse onto each other

00:44:32.588 --> 00:44:36.190
because Jason is either losing his mind

00:44:36.469 --> 00:44:36.590
or...

00:44:38.291 --> 00:44:39.871
Yeah, basically he's just losing his mind.

00:44:39.891 --> 00:44:45.275
Fair, yes, fair.

00:44:45.315 --> 00:44:47.996
But I really enjoy, because like I said,

00:44:48.036 --> 00:44:50.677
it's different and I always enjoy the

00:44:50.818 --> 00:44:51.398
different.

00:44:52.438 --> 00:44:53.079
Yeah, yeah.

00:44:53.179 --> 00:44:55.400
And the other thing with that is,

00:44:57.161 --> 00:44:59.043
I said earlier that the writing can be

00:44:59.083 --> 00:45:01.043
kind of a lonely thing if you let

00:45:01.083 --> 00:45:01.164
it,

00:45:01.543 --> 00:45:02.864
but when you're collaborating with a

00:45:02.905 --> 00:45:03.585
co-writer,

00:45:04.206 --> 00:45:06.246
you get those cool moments where

00:45:07.016 --> 00:45:08.496
you almost want to one up each other,

00:45:08.577 --> 00:45:08.838
you know,

00:45:09.297 --> 00:45:10.637
he sends me something and I'm like,

00:45:10.737 --> 00:45:11.137
Oh crap,

00:45:11.157 --> 00:45:12.599
I got to step my game up now

00:45:13.079 --> 00:45:14.759
to like show him so that when he

00:45:14.838 --> 00:45:17.260
opens the next email, he goes, Oh crap,

00:45:17.340 --> 00:45:18.920
I got to, you know, do the thing.

00:45:18.981 --> 00:45:20.840
So there's a little bit of that like

00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:22.621
gamesmanship going on too,

00:45:22.661 --> 00:45:23.262
where it's just like,

00:45:23.282 --> 00:45:24.242
you want to surprise them.

00:45:24.282 --> 00:45:25.663
You want to, you know,

00:45:26.282 --> 00:45:28.563
give them something to react to and go,

00:45:28.704 --> 00:45:30.224
yeah, that's, that's a cool thread.

00:45:30.264 --> 00:45:33.405
Let's make sure we pay that off somewhere.

00:45:33.505 --> 00:45:34.204
I like it.

00:45:34.344 --> 00:45:35.105
I like it.

00:45:35.125 --> 00:45:36.266
So for,

00:45:37.644 --> 00:45:40.005
I know there's two separate artists as

00:45:40.045 --> 00:45:41.567
well, one doing one side,

00:45:41.706 --> 00:45:42.927
one doing the other side.

00:45:44.268 --> 00:45:46.489
How is that working between you and Egg?

00:45:46.509 --> 00:45:48.289
Are you and Egg both working with your

00:45:48.329 --> 00:45:49.371
respective artists?

00:45:49.751 --> 00:45:51.911
Or do you just send them like, hey,

00:45:51.931 --> 00:45:53.393
here's my words, make it work?

00:45:57.434 --> 00:45:59.135
I know some people who do that,

00:45:59.175 --> 00:46:00.016
who prefer that.

00:46:00.481 --> 00:46:02.702
Yeah, so the fantasy stuff,

00:46:02.782 --> 00:46:04.164
it was kind of a... Again,

00:46:04.184 --> 00:46:06.827
because that was written a while back as

00:46:06.867 --> 00:46:08.570
far as the core pages,

00:46:08.610 --> 00:46:10.791
and then the dialogue's been updated as

00:46:10.891 --> 00:46:11.652
time has gone on.

00:46:12.614 --> 00:46:13.514
And so it was a little bit of

00:46:13.554 --> 00:46:14.795
a learning process, I think,

00:46:14.835 --> 00:46:17.378
with myself and Edgar, where...

00:46:20.052 --> 00:46:21.152
In theory, as a writer,

00:46:21.211 --> 00:46:24.393
I want to write to the artist's strengths.

00:46:24.474 --> 00:46:26.494
If the artist can't draw a horse,

00:46:27.114 --> 00:46:28.594
I don't need to put horses in this

00:46:28.635 --> 00:46:29.016
comic.

00:46:29.456 --> 00:46:31.456
Luckily,

00:46:31.556 --> 00:46:33.376
Edgar is pretty strong at everything.

00:46:33.396 --> 00:46:34.918
He drew a horse.

00:46:34.938 --> 00:46:35.797
I've seen it.

00:46:35.898 --> 00:46:37.059
It was really damn good.

00:46:37.398 --> 00:46:38.699
It wasn't even that.

00:46:38.920 --> 00:46:45.382
I think as the parts of the issues

00:46:45.422 --> 00:46:46.463
went along, it was...

00:46:47.512 --> 00:46:49.152
hey, I don't want to, like,

00:46:49.172 --> 00:46:50.253
it was still scripted, you know,

00:46:50.273 --> 00:46:52.034
more DC style, you would say,

00:46:52.376 --> 00:46:53.677
but there was definitely pages where I'm

00:46:53.717 --> 00:46:56.239
like, here's kind of the beats, you know,

00:46:56.298 --> 00:46:58.019
here's the big moments,

00:46:58.420 --> 00:47:01.362
but you can kind of put them however

00:47:01.382 --> 00:47:03.304
you need, you feel is best,

00:47:03.364 --> 00:47:04.965
whether if it's a fight or if it's,

00:47:05.364 --> 00:47:05.585
you know,

00:47:05.606 --> 00:47:08.447
some more physical thing that's- A

00:47:08.467 --> 00:47:10.389
struggle or something like that.

00:47:10.409 --> 00:47:13.371
Because I think sometimes as writers,

00:47:13.411 --> 00:47:13.952
it's like,

00:47:14.501 --> 00:47:16.443
we think panel one to panel two to

00:47:16.463 --> 00:47:17.202
panel three,

00:47:17.282 --> 00:47:19.643
whereas the artist can be like, well, no,

00:47:19.704 --> 00:47:20.784
this is more of a dance.

00:47:20.804 --> 00:47:22.324
Like, I don't need gutters.

00:47:22.403 --> 00:47:23.704
I don't need, you know, I don't need,

00:47:23.905 --> 00:47:25.364
or maybe we can break a panel and

00:47:25.405 --> 00:47:26.385
have him, you know,

00:47:26.505 --> 00:47:29.065
punch through the gutter or something like

00:47:29.126 --> 00:47:29.485
that.

00:47:30.487 --> 00:47:33.248
And so I, at least on my part,

00:47:33.467 --> 00:47:35.588
that was very much, again,

00:47:35.807 --> 00:47:36.929
was learning how to do that,

00:47:36.969 --> 00:47:39.088
but hopefully, you know, each issue,

00:47:39.108 --> 00:47:39.829
you know,

00:47:39.889 --> 00:47:41.289
you learn a little bit more of like,

00:47:42.014 --> 00:47:42.795
what their strengths is,

00:47:42.835 --> 00:47:44.896
what your strengths are and just play off

00:47:44.936 --> 00:47:45.577
of each other.

00:47:46.896 --> 00:47:48.458
As far as, you know, egg goes,

00:47:48.559 --> 00:47:49.920
I think as much as anything,

00:47:49.960 --> 00:47:50.880
like I said earlier,

00:47:51.400 --> 00:47:55.123
he really adapted the story to that style

00:47:55.143 --> 00:47:55.963
that Roland's was,

00:47:56.204 --> 00:47:59.806
was showing to try to lean in as

00:47:59.846 --> 00:48:02.547
hard as he could to Roland's strengths on

00:48:02.588 --> 00:48:03.268
that stuff.

00:48:03.608 --> 00:48:06.911
And, you know, and I think again,

00:48:07.090 --> 00:48:08.952
you know, with the, with his dialogue,

00:48:09.032 --> 00:48:10.494
obviously we talked about the Keith thing,

00:48:10.534 --> 00:48:10.634
but,

00:48:11.371 --> 00:48:12.811
just some of the mannerisms,

00:48:12.871 --> 00:48:15.313
some of the way that Mike talks where

00:48:15.333 --> 00:48:18.856
it's almost in some weird riddle of sorts

00:48:18.896 --> 00:48:19.498
at times.

00:48:20.579 --> 00:48:22.380
He was trying to do something, I think,

00:48:23.121 --> 00:48:24.202
and I think he succeeds,

00:48:25.262 --> 00:48:27.264
that's a little non-standard anyway,

00:48:27.344 --> 00:48:29.867
to really make,

00:48:29.907 --> 00:48:31.387
maybe to make you as a reader feel

00:48:32.003 --> 00:48:32.965
It could be jarring,

00:48:33.025 --> 00:48:34.387
but I hope in a good way,

00:48:34.487 --> 00:48:36.909
you know, like bring you into that world.

00:48:36.989 --> 00:48:38.472
He really did.

00:48:38.793 --> 00:48:40.335
Where I really connected was the Keith

00:48:40.394 --> 00:48:43.320
thing and the way he used the word

00:48:43.380 --> 00:48:43.981
parliament.

00:48:44.820 --> 00:48:45.621
Oh, yeah.

00:48:45.641 --> 00:48:48.264
It's very rare that I talk words to,

00:48:48.706 --> 00:48:51.148
you know, the writer or the writers.

00:48:51.829 --> 00:48:53.471
But I really like the way he used

00:48:53.650 --> 00:48:56.213
certain words for one thing or it's the

00:48:56.233 --> 00:48:58.356
same thing, but yet different.

00:48:58.516 --> 00:49:00.059
You know, like the word parliament.

00:49:00.119 --> 00:49:01.760
I come here to parliament with you.

00:49:02.702 --> 00:49:03.463
And I was like, oh,

00:49:03.483 --> 00:49:04.384
I see what he did there.

00:49:04.764 --> 00:49:05.304
And like I said,

00:49:05.344 --> 00:49:07.885
I think I was midway through issue two

00:49:07.945 --> 00:49:10.306
or maybe into early part of issue three

00:49:10.346 --> 00:49:11.467
when I was like, oh,

00:49:11.487 --> 00:49:13.527
Keith is he just didn't want to use

00:49:13.608 --> 00:49:15.088
curse words, which is really cool.

00:49:15.728 --> 00:49:18.889
And he's using the word Keith to denote

00:49:19.250 --> 00:49:19.750
the F word.

00:49:20.230 --> 00:49:20.530
Right.

00:49:20.831 --> 00:49:22.110
And I was like, again,

00:49:22.130 --> 00:49:24.092
that's a really cool piece of what he

00:49:24.172 --> 00:49:25.092
just did.

00:49:25.172 --> 00:49:26.172
And it works.

00:49:27.717 --> 00:49:28.336
Yeah, absolutely.

00:49:28.356 --> 00:49:30.057
Because you don't know what this dystopian

00:49:30.418 --> 00:49:31.197
society has.

00:49:31.257 --> 00:49:33.579
Maybe you can't say the actual curse words

00:49:33.619 --> 00:49:36.059
there without getting the morale police or

00:49:36.099 --> 00:49:36.458
something.

00:49:36.478 --> 00:49:37.059
Who knows?

00:49:38.139 --> 00:49:40.840
And that leaves it to your imagination as

00:49:40.920 --> 00:49:41.400
the reader,

00:49:42.320 --> 00:49:43.740
which I thought was another one of those

00:49:43.800 --> 00:49:46.262
really cool pieces where you may not have

00:49:46.302 --> 00:49:47.583
thought about it as the writer,

00:49:47.623 --> 00:49:49.483
but as the reader,

00:49:49.782 --> 00:49:51.284
I can interpret it that way, right?

00:49:51.503 --> 00:49:52.523
Sure, absolutely.

00:49:52.543 --> 00:49:52.884
Yeah.

00:49:53.938 --> 00:49:54.099
No,

00:49:54.719 --> 00:49:56.601
I think it works really well with what

00:49:56.760 --> 00:49:57.061
it does.

00:49:57.342 --> 00:49:59.023
And to give that, like you said,

00:49:59.063 --> 00:50:01.385
it's using words in a slightly different

00:50:01.425 --> 00:50:02.025
way or.

00:50:03.335 --> 00:50:04.858
Parliament is something that we don't

00:50:04.898 --> 00:50:06.938
really use in everyday language very

00:50:07.059 --> 00:50:07.398
often.

00:50:08.000 --> 00:50:11.161
So I think he definitely leaned into that

00:50:11.222 --> 00:50:12.802
as well to say, okay,

00:50:12.842 --> 00:50:14.284
if this is a futuristic world,

00:50:14.684 --> 00:50:16.565
they wouldn't necessarily exactly talk the

00:50:16.606 --> 00:50:17.306
way we talk.

00:50:18.467 --> 00:50:20.588
And you can tell this world has been

00:50:20.628 --> 00:50:22.289
through this shit and has been going

00:50:22.309 --> 00:50:24.231
through this shit for quite some time

00:50:24.271 --> 00:50:26.833
since the arrival of these aliens.

00:50:27.474 --> 00:50:29.615
So some of these people may have never...

00:50:30.505 --> 00:50:31.226
been educated.

00:50:31.246 --> 00:50:32.286
Yeah, absolutely.

00:50:32.327 --> 00:50:34.347
Maybe that stuff went away as they were

00:50:34.367 --> 00:50:34.929
coming up.

00:50:35.489 --> 00:50:37.831
So the way they use words may be

00:50:37.871 --> 00:50:39.371
different than their true intentions

00:50:39.411 --> 00:50:41.532
because they just never learned how to say

00:50:41.552 --> 00:50:43.173
that word or what that real meaning of

00:50:43.213 --> 00:50:43.914
that word was.

00:50:44.494 --> 00:50:45.934
Yep.

00:50:45.954 --> 00:50:47.036
So, nah,

00:50:47.135 --> 00:50:49.217
he absolutely nailed that aspect of that

00:50:49.277 --> 00:50:49.637
world.

00:50:52.099 --> 00:50:55.440
But we're going to... Yeah,

00:50:55.460 --> 00:50:56.882
let's dive into this part of it.

00:50:57.543 --> 00:50:57.802
So...

00:51:00.282 --> 00:51:03.427
There's a lot of what's the word I'm

00:51:03.447 --> 00:51:06.552
looking for here.

00:51:06.612 --> 00:51:07.434
I lost my words.

00:51:08.976 --> 00:51:09.177
Um,

00:51:10.679 --> 00:51:12.681
the emotional core of this story,

00:51:12.701 --> 00:51:14.681
the search for identity, meaning,

00:51:15.121 --> 00:51:16.501
reality fractures.

00:51:17.041 --> 00:51:18.922
And so Jason is struggling between these

00:51:18.963 --> 00:51:19.702
two worlds.

00:51:20.324 --> 00:51:23.085
Do you see this as a reflection of

00:51:23.364 --> 00:51:26.005
a creative life where writers live in like

00:51:26.146 --> 00:51:28.246
imagination and half in reality?

00:51:28.706 --> 00:51:31.688
Like, how did like, does that make sense?

00:51:31.847 --> 00:51:32.608
No question.

00:51:32.748 --> 00:51:33.469
I think it's a hundred,

00:51:33.528 --> 00:51:35.188
you're a hundred percent on, on track,

00:51:35.228 --> 00:51:35.469
man.

00:51:35.509 --> 00:51:36.630
Like the,

00:51:38.025 --> 00:51:40.507
I think that... So, you know,

00:51:40.626 --> 00:51:42.188
on my little bio or whatever,

00:51:42.268 --> 00:51:44.128
I say that I'm a civil engineer by

00:51:44.188 --> 00:51:45.510
day and a writer at night.

00:51:45.630 --> 00:51:49.632
And that kind of dualism, I think,

00:51:50.172 --> 00:51:50.992
is my life.

00:51:51.072 --> 00:51:52.753
There's the right brain, left brain,

00:51:53.775 --> 00:51:55.775
kind of warring with each other at times.

00:51:56.516 --> 00:51:58.117
My dad, you know,

00:51:58.157 --> 00:52:00.139
was an engineer that went into banking and

00:52:00.179 --> 00:52:00.619
whatever.

00:52:00.759 --> 00:52:03.159
And my mom was a nurse,

00:52:03.179 --> 00:52:04.320
but also was a teacher.

00:52:04.740 --> 00:52:06.322
But she's the more artistic one.

00:52:06.521 --> 00:52:07.063
So, like...

00:52:07.563 --> 00:52:08.664
you know, even with them,

00:52:08.704 --> 00:52:09.864
you can kind of see, okay,

00:52:09.905 --> 00:52:10.764
that's where I get that.

00:52:10.784 --> 00:52:11.786
That's where I get this.

00:52:12.445 --> 00:52:12.626
Um,

00:52:13.186 --> 00:52:16.789
and I also think there's so many times

00:52:16.829 --> 00:52:20.751
in our lives where, you know,

00:52:20.871 --> 00:52:21.831
I have a, you know,

00:52:21.871 --> 00:52:23.693
some of my friends are very much,

00:52:23.733 --> 00:52:25.793
they want to like worry about the past

00:52:25.813 --> 00:52:28.295
they didn't take or the choices they

00:52:28.315 --> 00:52:28.936
didn't make.

00:52:29.257 --> 00:52:29.577
And, um,

00:52:30.795 --> 00:52:31.536
I do that, too.

00:52:31.655 --> 00:52:33.137
You know, I think we all do that.

00:52:33.157 --> 00:52:34.318
Oh, absolutely.

00:52:34.358 --> 00:52:37.501
And I think this story is maybe it's

00:52:37.521 --> 00:52:39.943
some weird therapy session in a very odd

00:52:40.003 --> 00:52:42.965
way to like try to work through those

00:52:43.045 --> 00:52:46.668
things of can I be both, you know,

00:52:47.028 --> 00:52:49.811
and is it OK if I'm if I

00:52:49.891 --> 00:52:52.193
want to be one more than the other?

00:52:52.353 --> 00:52:52.673
Right.

00:52:52.733 --> 00:52:54.135
Like if I want to live in one

00:52:54.175 --> 00:52:55.275
world more than the other.

00:52:55.335 --> 00:52:55.635
Right.

00:52:56.657 --> 00:52:57.277
Absolutely.

00:52:57.557 --> 00:52:58.378
I literally

00:52:59.590 --> 00:53:00.952
almost on a daily basis,

00:53:01.112 --> 00:53:01.773
few times a day,

00:53:01.813 --> 00:53:03.193
just go wish I was like,

00:53:03.873 --> 00:53:05.014
I just want to quit my job and

00:53:05.034 --> 00:53:06.476
interview comic book artists for the rest

00:53:06.496 --> 00:53:06.996
of my life.

00:53:07.436 --> 00:53:08.757
And I would be the happiest man in

00:53:08.777 --> 00:53:09.137
the world.

00:53:10.039 --> 00:53:10.179
Yeah.

00:53:10.199 --> 00:53:11.460
And that's my internal struggle.

00:53:11.519 --> 00:53:12.681
And I love my day job.

00:53:13.193 --> 00:53:13.494
Yeah.

00:53:13.653 --> 00:53:13.954
Yeah.

00:53:14.695 --> 00:53:15.036
And that's,

00:53:15.235 --> 00:53:16.336
I think that's the other thing I always

00:53:16.376 --> 00:53:17.077
tell people, you know,

00:53:17.117 --> 00:53:18.518
I probably like eighty five to ninety

00:53:18.557 --> 00:53:19.918
percent of what I do, you know,

00:53:19.938 --> 00:53:20.719
at the day job.

00:53:21.760 --> 00:53:22.400
But yeah, I mean,

00:53:22.440 --> 00:53:24.603
if if money was not a factor and

00:53:24.643 --> 00:53:25.403
all that stuff,

00:53:25.963 --> 00:53:27.105
I would love to be a writer,

00:53:27.144 --> 00:53:27.364
you know,

00:53:27.425 --> 00:53:29.626
full time and do that thing that that

00:53:29.646 --> 00:53:31.389
would be sitting right here at this desk

00:53:31.429 --> 00:53:32.349
creating content.

00:53:32.590 --> 00:53:33.670
Yeah, exactly.

00:53:33.771 --> 00:53:35.692
So I I think at its core,

00:53:35.751 --> 00:53:37.514
it's really born out of that.

00:53:38.253 --> 00:53:39.775
You know, am I on the right?

00:53:40.215 --> 00:53:40.635
Excuse me.

00:53:40.695 --> 00:53:41.677
Am I on the right track?

00:53:42.661 --> 00:53:44.402
and you know is this what I'm supposed

00:53:44.443 --> 00:53:47.864
to be doing um and just trying to

00:53:47.905 --> 00:53:50.166
just you know kind of figure things out

00:53:50.226 --> 00:53:53.088
as best I can and I think maybe

00:53:53.449 --> 00:53:55.831
I hope maybe that's what egg saw when

00:53:55.871 --> 00:53:58.552
he saw that initial email you know without

00:53:58.592 --> 00:54:00.594
me specifically saying it maybe that's

00:54:00.634 --> 00:54:02.416
what grabbed him because I feel like he

00:54:02.436 --> 00:54:05.358
has the same thoughts and ideas you know

00:54:05.398 --> 00:54:06.878
that that duality of

00:54:07.523 --> 00:54:08.983
I got to go work to pay the

00:54:09.003 --> 00:54:10.025
bills and do the thing.

00:54:10.085 --> 00:54:10.405
But like,

00:54:10.425 --> 00:54:11.847
what I'd really love to do is this

00:54:11.927 --> 00:54:13.809
other thing, you know, right here.

00:54:15.329 --> 00:54:17.411
No, I think that as a,

00:54:17.452 --> 00:54:18.693
from a creative standpoint,

00:54:19.213 --> 00:54:20.974
no matter what that creative is,

00:54:21.436 --> 00:54:22.996
whether it's writing comic books,

00:54:23.036 --> 00:54:24.057
drawing comic books,

00:54:24.117 --> 00:54:26.481
sitting here as a podcaster,

00:54:26.880 --> 00:54:28.682
interviewing guys about comic books.

00:54:29.182 --> 00:54:29.603
I think it's,

00:54:29.844 --> 00:54:31.385
we're all in that same boat.

00:54:31.644 --> 00:54:31.925
And yeah,

00:54:32.815 --> 00:54:34.916
Dude, that hits very close to home,

00:54:34.936 --> 00:54:36.577
and you nailed it perfectly.

00:54:36.677 --> 00:54:39.097
So, yes, absolutely.

00:54:40.639 --> 00:54:42.840
So staying within kind of this realm of

00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:44.860
philosophical shit right now,

00:54:44.880 --> 00:54:45.641
we're dropping some.

00:54:45.681 --> 00:54:46.681
We're getting deep in it.

00:54:46.960 --> 00:54:47.541
That's right.

00:54:47.561 --> 00:54:49.742
So Jason is struggling between these two

00:54:49.822 --> 00:54:50.222
worlds.

00:54:51.623 --> 00:54:52.623
Wait, no, that's not the one.

00:54:52.842 --> 00:54:53.483
It's the next one.

00:54:53.864 --> 00:54:56.045
So the philosophical undertone.

00:54:56.704 --> 00:54:57.885
I knew I was setting myself up for

00:54:57.905 --> 00:54:58.585
the next question,

00:54:58.606 --> 00:54:59.905
and I just went to the wrong one.

00:55:00.306 --> 00:55:01.586
So what is real?

00:55:02.347 --> 00:55:04.586
And how do you balance those heavy ideas

00:55:04.626 --> 00:55:06.927
without losing the story's momentum,

00:55:06.967 --> 00:55:08.608
which I can go ahead and tell you,

00:55:08.648 --> 00:55:09.847
you haven't lost the momentum.

00:55:09.887 --> 00:55:11.969
I think you're nailing it perfectly,

00:55:12.028 --> 00:55:15.748
but kind of like you're on issue three,

00:55:16.829 --> 00:55:20.050
dropping tomorrow on Kickstarter.

00:55:22.030 --> 00:55:25.931
How do you not lose the story between

00:55:25.951 --> 00:55:26.291
the two?

00:55:26.710 --> 00:55:27.751
You know what I'm saying?

00:55:27.871 --> 00:55:28.612
Yeah.

00:55:28.632 --> 00:55:30.291
What is actually real?

00:55:31.586 --> 00:55:32.887
I mean, I know y'all know,

00:55:32.927 --> 00:55:34.887
but I don't want to know until the

00:55:34.927 --> 00:55:35.547
next part.

00:55:36.367 --> 00:55:41.168
So I think that's the core of, again,

00:55:41.268 --> 00:55:42.670
as we were developing a story,

00:55:42.809 --> 00:55:45.250
as we were trying to figure out,

00:55:45.289 --> 00:55:46.971
you're building on this thing of,

00:55:47.271 --> 00:55:50.472
and at first, Ignore Myself, I think,

00:55:50.532 --> 00:55:52.112
had an idea of which is the real

00:55:52.172 --> 00:55:52.891
world, right?

00:55:53.771 --> 00:55:55.793
And it didn't, I think at the beginning,

00:55:55.833 --> 00:55:58.634
it doesn't necessarily matter which is the

00:55:58.673 --> 00:56:00.534
real world initially.

00:56:01.456 --> 00:56:05.601
yeah it's as time goes on and these

00:56:05.641 --> 00:56:08.063
things these uh these dreams start to

00:56:08.083 --> 00:56:13.648
become nightmares that him making a choice

00:56:14.268 --> 00:56:17.090
is is the the ultimate um i think

00:56:18.112 --> 00:56:20.074
uh piece of the puzzle right and that

00:56:20.534 --> 00:56:22.896
we make our own realities at the end

00:56:22.936 --> 00:56:25.378
of the day as people and so

00:56:26.164 --> 00:56:27.824
you can live in a dream world and

00:56:27.864 --> 00:56:29.485
you can, you know, uh,

00:56:29.565 --> 00:56:31.184
ignore your day to day stuff,

00:56:31.784 --> 00:56:34.065
or you can like try to figure out

00:56:34.085 --> 00:56:35.846
a way to make it all work within

00:56:36.266 --> 00:56:37.547
your, the life you've chosen.

00:56:37.686 --> 00:56:38.007
And I,

00:56:38.086 --> 00:56:40.706
so I think that's part of it is

00:56:40.746 --> 00:56:42.668
just trying to be true to that idea

00:56:42.827 --> 00:56:44.867
of how do we get,

00:56:46.027 --> 00:56:50.208
how do you live a life that, um,

00:56:50.248 --> 00:56:52.949
just you're doing what you're wanting to

00:56:52.989 --> 00:56:53.130
do.

00:56:54.744 --> 00:56:56.465
at the same time you're providing for your

00:56:56.505 --> 00:56:59.686
family, you're, you're, you're, you know,

00:56:59.726 --> 00:57:00.365
with your, you know,

00:57:00.385 --> 00:57:02.286
you're able to have friends and all that

00:57:02.306 --> 00:57:02.827
good stuff.

00:57:03.447 --> 00:57:05.489
And by the same token, you know,

00:57:05.588 --> 00:57:06.929
obviously we've put these in these

00:57:06.949 --> 00:57:10.951
fantastical situations to try to,

00:57:10.971 --> 00:57:11.610
you know,

00:57:11.731 --> 00:57:14.952
I think the best sci-fi is always ones

00:57:14.972 --> 00:57:15.693
that like you can,

00:57:16.132 --> 00:57:17.014
go down to the board,

00:57:17.034 --> 00:57:18.974
down to the core and go, Oh,

00:57:19.014 --> 00:57:21.956
this is a story about this, you know,

00:57:22.056 --> 00:57:22.898
like, yeah,

00:57:22.938 --> 00:57:24.679
they're on a distant planet and they're

00:57:24.739 --> 00:57:26.840
fighting whatever monster or whatever,

00:57:26.900 --> 00:57:29.481
but like really this story is about this.

00:57:30.202 --> 00:57:31.523
And I think for us,

00:57:31.563 --> 00:57:32.784
that was what we were trying to get

00:57:32.824 --> 00:57:34.865
back to it at every point was like,

00:57:35.617 --> 00:57:39.961
this story is about choices and uh living

00:57:40.001 --> 00:57:41.804
your life to the best that you can

00:57:41.923 --> 00:57:43.846
and choosing the life that you want to

00:57:43.885 --> 00:57:45.608
live at the end of the day not

00:57:45.648 --> 00:57:48.530
having that life thrust upon you and i

00:57:48.570 --> 00:57:51.253
think that core line hopefully runs

00:57:51.313 --> 00:57:53.516
through the first three issues and when

00:57:53.576 --> 00:57:55.438
the fourth issue does come out that it

00:57:55.737 --> 00:57:57.519
you know it kind of wraps up a

00:57:57.619 --> 00:57:59.161
bow on everything to say

00:57:59.855 --> 00:58:01.615
you know, these are the choices he made,

00:58:01.856 --> 00:58:03.396
but he made those choices.

00:58:03.775 --> 00:58:04.237
Yeah, no,

00:58:04.277 --> 00:58:06.697
that's a perfect segue actually into what

00:58:06.896 --> 00:58:08.757
I'm about to ask you is that,

00:58:08.918 --> 00:58:10.998
do you think readers are meant to choose

00:58:11.059 --> 00:58:14.940
which world is real or is ambiguity part

00:58:15.039 --> 00:58:16.501
of that message?

00:58:16.981 --> 00:58:18.621
I think I hope that like,

00:58:19.021 --> 00:58:20.501
there's at least some thought in their

00:58:20.541 --> 00:58:21.242
head of like,

00:58:21.362 --> 00:58:23.023
I think this might be the real world

00:58:23.103 --> 00:58:24.403
or this might be the real world.

00:58:25.043 --> 00:58:25.123
Um,

00:58:26.041 --> 00:58:27.360
The only thing is I hope they don't

00:58:27.400 --> 00:58:29.202
get too caught up in that aspect of

00:58:29.262 --> 00:58:30.742
things, you know,

00:58:30.922 --> 00:58:33.342
where if they're not right at the end

00:58:33.382 --> 00:58:35.523
of the day in their choice,

00:58:35.563 --> 00:58:36.724
they don't let that go.

00:58:37.204 --> 00:58:38.565
Well, you know, I had it as,

00:58:38.625 --> 00:58:38.925
you know,

00:58:39.065 --> 00:58:40.826
option A and it was option B.

00:58:40.905 --> 00:58:42.485
And so I feel like I'm let down

00:58:42.525 --> 00:58:43.646
by the ending.

00:58:43.726 --> 00:58:44.427
You know what I mean?

00:58:44.447 --> 00:58:45.706
And you know what?

00:58:45.867 --> 00:58:48.007
And this is how I took it is.

00:58:49.744 --> 00:58:51.744
I want the surprise at the end of

00:58:51.784 --> 00:58:52.304
the book.

00:58:52.344 --> 00:58:53.224
You know what I'm saying?

00:58:53.465 --> 00:58:53.905
Yeah.

00:58:53.945 --> 00:58:54.405
So for me,

00:58:54.905 --> 00:58:56.965
I'm going to be happy either way.

00:58:57.005 --> 00:58:58.385
I mean, in my head, I'm like,

00:59:00.086 --> 00:59:01.246
now that I've read issue three,

00:59:01.286 --> 00:59:02.188
I kind of want it to be this

00:59:02.268 --> 00:59:02.788
other way,

00:59:03.047 --> 00:59:04.387
but I wouldn't be mad if it was

00:59:04.427 --> 00:59:07.648
this way because he ended things kind of

00:59:07.768 --> 00:59:09.769
like the way he wanted to.

00:59:10.309 --> 00:59:12.349
So I'm like, but at the same time,

00:59:12.389 --> 00:59:12.811
I'm like,

00:59:13.550 --> 00:59:15.010
I really just want that surprise at the

00:59:15.030 --> 00:59:16.050
end of the stick, you know?

00:59:16.070 --> 00:59:16.150
Yeah.

00:59:16.231 --> 00:59:16.311
Yeah.

00:59:16.552 --> 00:59:16.811
Yeah.

00:59:17.172 --> 00:59:17.291
Sure.

00:59:17.552 --> 00:59:17.632
Yeah.

00:59:18.489 --> 00:59:19.891
So, and again,

00:59:20.010 --> 00:59:21.612
I take comic books differently than some

00:59:21.632 --> 00:59:21.893
people.

00:59:21.913 --> 00:59:23.434
Some people take the stuff literal and

00:59:23.454 --> 00:59:25.476
they're straight like, well,

00:59:25.516 --> 00:59:26.496
it should have been this.

00:59:26.836 --> 00:59:28.137
Right, yeah.

00:59:28.157 --> 00:59:29.980
Tell me, make me happy.

00:59:30.199 --> 00:59:31.041
You know what I'm saying?

00:59:31.260 --> 00:59:32.101
At the end of the day.

00:59:32.702 --> 00:59:34.963
So,

00:59:35.103 --> 00:59:37.425
let's jump into the actual Kickstarter

00:59:37.686 --> 00:59:39.088
campaign itself.

00:59:39.527 --> 00:59:42.590
In Our Dreams Await number three goes live

00:59:42.630 --> 00:59:43.070
tomorrow.

00:59:43.110 --> 00:59:44.271
I'm guessing around lunchtime.

00:59:44.532 --> 00:59:45.112
Yeah, that's right.

00:59:45.353 --> 00:59:46.153
Right around lunchtime.

00:59:47.398 --> 00:59:47.898
Perfect.

00:59:48.219 --> 00:59:50.023
So for returning backers,

00:59:50.684 --> 00:59:52.588
what can they expect from this issue?

00:59:52.628 --> 00:59:54.592
I mean, I know what they can expect,

00:59:54.632 --> 00:59:55.795
but let's hear it from your mouth.

00:59:56.556 --> 00:59:58.197
So, you know,

00:59:58.257 --> 00:59:59.378
like we've been talking about,

01:00:00.119 --> 01:00:01.280
this is really the...

01:00:01.882 --> 01:00:03.762
Between issue two and issue three is kind

01:00:03.784 --> 01:00:05.204
of the moment everything flips.

01:00:05.806 --> 01:00:07.547
And that world,

01:00:07.688 --> 01:00:10.010
those two worlds that we've started to get

01:00:10.050 --> 01:00:11.931
to know and we've seen like the struggles

01:00:11.972 --> 01:00:12.612
that he's having,

01:00:13.012 --> 01:00:15.414
this is where literally the dream is

01:00:15.436 --> 01:00:16.597
starting to become nightmare.

01:00:17.257 --> 01:00:17.538
And...

01:00:18.583 --> 01:00:18.963
Now,

01:00:19.864 --> 01:00:23.387
you've just got to hold on tight to

01:00:23.427 --> 01:00:25.728
whatever world he can grasp onto, Jason,

01:00:26.829 --> 01:00:29.130
as that thing continues to spiral out of

01:00:29.150 --> 01:00:31.753
control and those two worlds keep bleeding

01:00:31.813 --> 01:00:32.534
into each other.

01:00:33.094 --> 01:00:35.275
And so that's really what issue three is

01:00:35.315 --> 01:00:35.996
going to offer.

01:00:36.175 --> 01:00:38.898
And hopefully now it's just, you know,

01:00:39.097 --> 01:00:40.539
we're on the roller coaster ride and we're

01:00:40.559 --> 01:00:41.260
just hanging on.

01:00:43.548 --> 01:00:44.891
know i'm on it i am i'm not

01:00:44.911 --> 01:00:46.632
gonna i am on that roller coaster in

01:00:46.652 --> 01:00:50.916
the front seat because it like the way

01:00:50.976 --> 01:00:52.918
everything's starting to collapse into

01:00:52.998 --> 01:00:55.360
each other now is like truly a roller

01:00:55.400 --> 01:00:57.882
coaster because you you're like now you're

01:00:57.981 --> 01:01:00.324
on the end of your seat going i

01:01:00.344 --> 01:01:02.286
need these dudes to do number four kind

01:01:02.326 --> 01:01:04.027
of quickly because i want to know

01:01:04.780 --> 01:01:06.181
you know what i'm saying absolutely and i

01:01:06.202 --> 01:01:08.402
hope that some of it was when people

01:01:08.422 --> 01:01:11.244
who come back to this project will go

01:01:11.384 --> 01:01:13.284
this feel the same way about it because

01:01:13.945 --> 01:01:15.865
i was definitely on board like number

01:01:15.925 --> 01:01:18.708
three if one and two if people felt

01:01:18.728 --> 01:01:20.228
that was kind of slow number three they're

01:01:20.248 --> 01:01:22.409
in for a damn roller coaster so and

01:01:22.449 --> 01:01:26.331
you know the oh i'm sorry go ahead

01:01:26.371 --> 01:01:28.012
no no go ahead you were gonna all

01:01:28.032 --> 01:01:29.432
i was gonna say was is you know

01:01:29.472 --> 01:01:30.992
the other thing is is and as you

01:01:31.032 --> 01:01:32.333
know issue three is done

01:01:32.994 --> 01:01:33.275
Right.

01:01:33.295 --> 01:01:35.476
So like when we launch tomorrow,

01:01:36.538 --> 01:01:38.900
when the campaign's over, you know,

01:01:39.581 --> 01:01:40.621
the next day or whatever,

01:01:40.641 --> 01:01:42.463
they're going to get digital copies out.

01:01:42.503 --> 01:01:43.985
So this isn't a case where you got

01:01:44.005 --> 01:01:45.585
to wait for, you know,

01:01:45.646 --> 01:01:47.527
months and months and months for us to

01:01:47.588 --> 01:01:48.407
finish the thing.

01:01:48.969 --> 01:01:50.730
And, you know, even issue four,

01:01:51.130 --> 01:01:53.293
we're ninety percent through that, really.

01:01:53.313 --> 01:01:53.753
I mean,

01:01:53.773 --> 01:01:55.695
you only have a couple of pages left.

01:01:55.755 --> 01:01:57.215
So, you know,

01:01:57.235 --> 01:02:00.559
we're really we're really excited

01:02:01.317 --> 01:02:03.798
to kind of get this story out there.

01:02:04.079 --> 01:02:05.400
And I, you know, my hope is,

01:02:05.440 --> 01:02:06.940
is that if you were on board for

01:02:06.960 --> 01:02:07.840
the first two issues,

01:02:07.920 --> 01:02:09.382
obviously I want you to come back.

01:02:09.963 --> 01:02:10.603
My hope is,

01:02:10.643 --> 01:02:12.623
is that through this and through talking

01:02:12.643 --> 01:02:14.865
to people like you who are gracious enough

01:02:14.905 --> 01:02:16.246
to have me on that,

01:02:16.286 --> 01:02:17.708
like a few other people will pick up

01:02:17.748 --> 01:02:19.568
the book and, you know, and go, wow.

01:02:19.628 --> 01:02:19.989
Okay.

01:02:20.048 --> 01:02:20.349
Yeah.

01:02:20.449 --> 01:02:21.750
I want to see where this goes.

01:02:21.769 --> 01:02:22.951
I want to see how this ends.

01:02:23.451 --> 01:02:24.452
What's the story, you know,

01:02:24.472 --> 01:02:25.472
what's the full story.

01:02:26.092 --> 01:02:27.795
so i always like to ask whenever i

01:02:27.835 --> 01:02:30.036
have people on and they're like this is

01:02:30.478 --> 01:02:33.981
your third book of this series is this

01:02:34.021 --> 01:02:35.922
a good starting point for people or would

01:02:35.943 --> 01:02:38.224
you recommend going back when this kicks

01:02:38.344 --> 01:02:40.067
off to get one and two as well

01:02:40.648 --> 01:02:43.971
and then enjoy number three yeah i sadly

01:02:44.030 --> 01:02:46.012
that's probably the one downside is i do

01:02:46.052 --> 01:02:47.333
think you need to get one two and

01:02:47.373 --> 01:02:48.775
three together um

01:02:49.521 --> 01:02:50.503
You know, and, you know,

01:02:50.523 --> 01:02:52.164
the the nice thing is if you're not

01:02:52.184 --> 01:02:53.724
one hundred percent sure as far as

01:02:53.764 --> 01:02:55.106
physical and you don't want to spend,

01:02:55.226 --> 01:02:57.188
you know, for that reward level,

01:02:57.588 --> 01:02:58.889
you will have a digital level.

01:02:58.929 --> 01:03:00.010
That's a catch up level.

01:03:00.590 --> 01:03:02.913
So, you know,

01:03:02.932 --> 01:03:04.094
you can definitely be literally the next

01:03:04.134 --> 01:03:04.893
question.

01:03:04.934 --> 01:03:06.275
Do you have a catch up level for

01:03:06.335 --> 01:03:06.536
people?

01:03:06.556 --> 01:03:06.856
Yeah.

01:03:07.476 --> 01:03:09.936
We definitely do because I know just as

01:03:09.956 --> 01:03:12.177
a backer of other Kickstarters that I'll

01:03:12.496 --> 01:03:14.418
discover issue three and then I'm like,

01:03:14.838 --> 01:03:16.938
oh, well, this looks cool.

01:03:17.057 --> 01:03:20.179
I want to read what happened before to

01:03:20.239 --> 01:03:22.579
get the full story because I think it

01:03:22.599 --> 01:03:23.639
would be very odd, I think,

01:03:23.659 --> 01:03:25.860
if you picked up issue three and just

01:03:25.960 --> 01:03:26.760
read it cold.

01:03:26.860 --> 01:03:28.440
It would be the weirdest thing ever,

01:03:28.519 --> 01:03:28.880
I think.

01:03:29.079 --> 01:03:31.541
Yeah, I think people would...

01:03:32.065 --> 01:03:33.166
That's where I was about to say,

01:03:33.186 --> 01:03:33.947
people are going to be like,

01:03:33.967 --> 01:03:36.628
what the hell is this?

01:03:36.648 --> 01:03:38.791
But no, it would definitely be a trip.

01:03:38.831 --> 01:03:39.610
But I would tell you,

01:03:39.751 --> 01:03:41.532
number three is a fun trip if that's

01:03:41.552 --> 01:03:42.574
what they decided to do.

01:03:42.893 --> 01:03:44.635
Yeah, yeah.

01:03:44.655 --> 01:03:46.876
So what kind of rewards or exclusives are

01:03:46.896 --> 01:03:48.659
you going to be offering on this campaign?

01:03:48.699 --> 01:03:49.920
Are you bringing something new to the

01:03:49.940 --> 01:03:50.320
table?

01:03:50.340 --> 01:03:51.882
Or are you just going to, hey,

01:03:51.922 --> 01:03:53.222
we got the digitals and you got the

01:03:53.282 --> 01:03:54.403
books, which is cool.

01:03:54.824 --> 01:03:57.465
yeah at the core that's kind of where

01:03:57.626 --> 01:03:59.306
we don't have a lot of extra flashy

01:03:59.347 --> 01:04:02.349
stuff um yeah we obviously have the the

01:04:02.389 --> 01:04:04.451
two covers we have the fantasy cover and

01:04:04.471 --> 01:04:06.672
then we have the cyberpunk cover that's uh

01:04:06.693 --> 01:04:08.994
inspired by a six million dollar man uh

01:04:09.114 --> 01:04:11.376
style phenomenal covers but i will say the

01:04:11.396 --> 01:04:13.358
fantasy cover won me on this one

01:04:13.771 --> 01:04:14.512
Yeah,

01:04:14.652 --> 01:04:16.673
we have obviously catch ups where you can

01:04:16.713 --> 01:04:18.675
get we still have some copies of the

01:04:18.936 --> 01:04:21.737
variant covers from issues one and two.

01:04:21.958 --> 01:04:24.500
And then probably the biggest one is just

01:04:24.960 --> 01:04:26.461
we have the drawn in a comic.

01:04:26.481 --> 01:04:28.302
So that's really when I say issue four

01:04:28.322 --> 01:04:29.543
is ninety percent done.

01:04:30.045 --> 01:04:31.766
That's kind of the last ten percent that

01:04:31.806 --> 01:04:32.427
in the lettering.

01:04:33.206 --> 01:04:34.068
Yeah.

01:04:34.208 --> 01:04:35.108
To get done.

01:04:35.628 --> 01:04:37.409
And so if you have that, you know,

01:04:37.429 --> 01:04:38.590
if you wanted to be in the comic,

01:04:38.610 --> 01:04:39.750
if you want to put your cat in

01:04:39.769 --> 01:04:41.110
the comic as well, you know,

01:04:41.150 --> 01:04:42.891
there is that opportunity.

01:04:42.972 --> 01:04:43.271
Right.

01:04:43.652 --> 01:04:44.512
To do it.

01:04:44.532 --> 01:04:44.853
So, yeah.

01:04:44.972 --> 01:04:45.432
One last shot.

01:04:45.452 --> 01:04:47.014
Yeah, exactly.

01:04:47.494 --> 01:04:49.454
So, yeah, we try to, you know,

01:04:49.554 --> 01:04:50.655
and I'm still frustrated.

01:04:51.096 --> 01:04:52.737
even though this is the third issue and

01:04:52.777 --> 01:04:54.438
I've done a couple other Kickstarters,

01:04:54.498 --> 01:04:56.679
this is each time I'm trying to figure

01:04:56.739 --> 01:04:58.159
out the sweet spots of things.

01:04:58.239 --> 01:04:58.480
Right.

01:04:58.500 --> 01:05:00.360
And what I'm always looking at other

01:05:00.380 --> 01:05:02.021
people's Kickstarters, you know,

01:05:02.041 --> 01:05:03.342
they say steal like an artist.

01:05:03.402 --> 01:05:05.322
It's like, Oh, they did this thing.

01:05:05.422 --> 01:05:05.503
Oh,

01:05:05.523 --> 01:05:06.784
I'm going to make a note about that.

01:05:07.164 --> 01:05:08.523
You know, does this apply to this?

01:05:08.583 --> 01:05:08.844
So,

01:05:09.664 --> 01:05:11.246
but you don't want to dig yourself too

01:05:11.266 --> 01:05:14.967
whole into a hole too big because at

01:05:15.007 --> 01:05:15.807
the end of the day,

01:05:17.269 --> 01:05:18.210
you do too much,

01:05:18.250 --> 01:05:19.690
your bottom line is going to suffer.

01:05:20.231 --> 01:05:22.210
And you want to have enough equity going

01:05:22.331 --> 01:05:22.811
forward.

01:05:23.391 --> 01:05:25.251
That way, when you do number four,

01:05:26.251 --> 01:05:28.373
it's not as stressful on the pocketbook.

01:05:28.672 --> 01:05:29.753
Yes, absolutely.

01:05:29.913 --> 01:05:32.114
Although I will say, you know, this one,

01:05:32.134 --> 01:05:32.634
we're,

01:05:32.653 --> 01:05:34.375
we're just looking initially for five

01:05:34.394 --> 01:05:34.894
hundred dollars.

01:05:35.014 --> 01:05:35.974
Obviously we want more,

01:05:36.014 --> 01:05:37.514
but that's the cover of the print cost

01:05:37.815 --> 01:05:38.135
really.

01:05:38.315 --> 01:05:41.596
And honestly, that's not a bad deal.

01:05:42.016 --> 01:05:43.376
Five hundred dollars to print.

01:05:43.896 --> 01:05:45.697
that's, that's honestly pretty good.

01:05:45.717 --> 01:05:46.938
And who do y'all go through for your

01:05:46.978 --> 01:05:47.278
print?

01:05:47.298 --> 01:05:48.860
Are you doing someplace local there in

01:05:48.900 --> 01:05:49.780
Atlanta or?

01:05:49.900 --> 01:05:52.322
No, it's a comic impressions, uh,

01:05:52.362 --> 01:05:54.583
was the first two comic or first two

01:05:54.664 --> 01:05:55.704
issues went through them.

01:05:56.206 --> 01:05:57.867
And, uh, I've, I've had a good,

01:05:58.226 --> 01:05:58.427
I mean,

01:05:58.467 --> 01:06:00.088
so far I had a good relationship with

01:06:00.108 --> 01:06:00.268
them.

01:06:00.509 --> 01:06:01.028
You know, uh,

01:06:01.528 --> 01:06:03.650
they seem to turn around things really

01:06:03.710 --> 01:06:04.150
quickly.

01:06:04.251 --> 01:06:04.590
The only,

01:06:04.891 --> 01:06:06.313
the only slight question mark and it has

01:06:06.353 --> 01:06:07.213
nothing to do with them.

01:06:07.273 --> 01:06:09.715
It's we're launching this in October and,

01:06:10.012 --> 01:06:10.512
And, you know,

01:06:10.572 --> 01:06:12.793
it'll end in early November and then we

01:06:12.813 --> 01:06:13.653
have the holidays.

01:06:13.733 --> 01:06:15.353
So I've tried to, you know,

01:06:15.393 --> 01:06:17.215
as far as like on the rewards,

01:06:17.275 --> 01:06:17.994
when thing, you know,

01:06:18.014 --> 01:06:19.775
when the actual print copies will be sent

01:06:19.936 --> 01:06:20.076
out.

01:06:20.356 --> 01:06:22.036
I try to give myself the slight buffer

01:06:22.056 --> 01:06:23.757
because I know the holidays are there and

01:06:23.797 --> 01:06:25.458
that's going to slow everything down ever

01:06:25.518 --> 01:06:27.920
so, you know, so much.

01:06:28.039 --> 01:06:28.159
Yeah.

01:06:28.639 --> 01:06:31.940
And right now, I think if, you know,

01:06:32.041 --> 01:06:34.081
USPS always has their issues.

01:06:34.242 --> 01:06:37.003
I know like from one of my previous

01:06:37.123 --> 01:06:38.103
interviews I had on,

01:06:40.811 --> 01:06:43.653
Greg, Duke Electric, nerd in the sky.

01:06:45.034 --> 01:06:48.878
His Canadian postal is currently on strike

01:06:48.938 --> 01:06:49.840
again, I believe.

01:06:50.139 --> 01:06:50.480
Oh, wow.

01:06:50.500 --> 01:06:52.382
So his campaign just closed,

01:06:52.422 --> 01:06:53.762
and he can't even get books out of

01:06:53.862 --> 01:06:55.164
Canada currently, I think.

01:06:55.945 --> 01:06:56.266
Yeah.

01:06:56.326 --> 01:06:58.467
So there's always that to think about.

01:06:58.527 --> 01:06:58.807
Yes.

01:06:59.047 --> 01:06:59.268
Yeah.

01:06:59.329 --> 01:07:00.570
And that's, again.

01:07:00.650 --> 01:07:02.311
That and the prices have gone up

01:07:02.572 --> 01:07:03.873
ridiculously.

01:07:03.893 --> 01:07:04.052
Yeah.

01:07:04.217 --> 01:07:04.878
Yeah.

01:07:04.898 --> 01:07:06.639
So it's all those little things are like

01:07:06.659 --> 01:07:09.079
the learning experiences that, you know,

01:07:09.159 --> 01:07:10.619
I, I always want to, you know,

01:07:10.679 --> 01:07:12.380
it's the thing you always want to under

01:07:12.420 --> 01:07:13.400
promise and over.

01:07:14.181 --> 01:07:14.802
Over deliver.

01:07:15.181 --> 01:07:15.742
Over deliver.

01:07:15.782 --> 01:07:16.061
Yeah.

01:07:16.101 --> 01:07:18.262
So if I tell you that it's going

01:07:18.282 --> 01:07:19.902
to be March before you get your comic

01:07:19.943 --> 01:07:21.443
and we get it to you in January,

01:07:21.523 --> 01:07:22.443
I think that's only going to be a

01:07:22.503 --> 01:07:23.364
positive, you know,

01:07:23.784 --> 01:07:24.985
but I want to make sure that I

01:07:25.005 --> 01:07:26.905
don't hose myself on.

01:07:26.965 --> 01:07:27.266
Yeah.

01:07:27.565 --> 01:07:29.646
And people can, it can happen quickly,

01:07:29.766 --> 01:07:30.146
you know?

01:07:30.166 --> 01:07:30.246
Yeah.

01:07:30.713 --> 01:07:32.315
Well, on the Gilded Age,

01:07:32.376 --> 01:07:33.697
when we did the trade for that,

01:07:33.797 --> 01:07:37.201
we actually had a Chinese printer and it

01:07:37.260 --> 01:07:38.722
never occurred to me because I'm an

01:07:38.762 --> 01:07:40.603
American and I just live in my own

01:07:40.643 --> 01:07:43.047
American world that Chinese New Year is

01:07:43.106 --> 01:07:44.307
kind of big over there.

01:07:44.827 --> 01:07:46.670
And so literally, just like literally,

01:07:47.010 --> 01:07:49.112
yeah, they the whole month basically.

01:07:49.733 --> 01:07:51.976
And the books were ready to be shipped.

01:07:52.664 --> 01:07:53.766
but they,

01:07:53.806 --> 01:07:55.585
because they basically took the month off,

01:07:55.606 --> 01:07:56.646
they didn't get to the port.

01:07:57.067 --> 01:07:58.467
And I just, again,

01:07:58.527 --> 01:08:00.347
luckily I'd added some buffer in there,

01:08:00.387 --> 01:08:01.708
but it ate all the buffer up,

01:08:01.768 --> 01:08:02.108
you know?

01:08:02.148 --> 01:08:04.871
So, um, and it just wasn't on my,

01:08:05.070 --> 01:08:06.710
it was never on my list of things.

01:08:06.731 --> 01:08:08.271
Like I need to make sure that this

01:08:08.331 --> 01:08:09.972
is done before this date, you know?

01:08:09.992 --> 01:08:10.072
Yeah.

01:08:10.713 --> 01:08:11.072
And, and,

01:08:13.585 --> 01:08:15.547
Again, that goes back to lessons learned.

01:08:16.247 --> 01:08:18.828
And do you have any advice for anybody?

01:08:19.550 --> 01:08:20.951
You're kind of a...

01:08:21.030 --> 01:08:22.712
You're getting up there into the semi-pros

01:08:22.752 --> 01:08:23.712
of Kickstarters now.

01:08:23.752 --> 01:08:25.274
This is your fourth one going in.

01:08:25.453 --> 01:08:25.993
Sure.

01:08:26.055 --> 01:08:26.314
Like...

01:08:27.233 --> 01:08:28.814
Do you have any good advice for guys

01:08:28.854 --> 01:08:30.654
who are considering going to Kickstarter

01:08:30.694 --> 01:08:30.895
route?

01:08:30.916 --> 01:08:32.216
Because I know a lot of people kick

01:08:32.256 --> 01:08:35.097
this can and it seems like I see

01:08:35.137 --> 01:08:37.279
these great concepts pop up online,

01:08:37.359 --> 01:08:39.081
whether it be Instagram or Facebook,

01:08:39.421 --> 01:08:40.702
and I love their concept,

01:08:41.063 --> 01:08:42.283
but they're like, well, I'm pitching it.

01:08:42.644 --> 01:08:43.823
Like, dude, why are you pitching it?

01:08:43.965 --> 01:08:45.605
Go to the Kickstarter and just do it.

01:08:46.046 --> 01:08:46.506
Yeah.

01:08:46.525 --> 01:08:48.207
Let people fund your project.

01:08:48.307 --> 01:08:49.769
Sell your product to people.

01:08:50.609 --> 01:08:52.390
And I know that's really hard for some

01:08:52.411 --> 01:08:53.011
people to do.

01:08:53.032 --> 01:08:54.632
But what advice do you have for people

01:08:54.653 --> 01:08:56.234
who are kind of on the edge of

01:08:56.255 --> 01:08:56.574
their seat?

01:08:56.595 --> 01:08:56.755
Like,

01:08:56.795 --> 01:08:58.197
do I want to do a Kickstarter or

01:08:58.216 --> 01:08:59.597
do I still want to kind of kick

01:08:59.618 --> 01:09:01.560
this to people and see what they say?

01:09:01.619 --> 01:09:01.880
Yeah.

01:09:01.939 --> 01:09:04.342
So one thing I would say, but,

01:09:04.523 --> 01:09:05.543
you know,

01:09:05.564 --> 01:09:06.965
I don't think this is an absolute.

01:09:07.005 --> 01:09:08.787
It's an absolute for me as best as

01:09:08.846 --> 01:09:09.427
I can make it.

01:09:09.804 --> 01:09:11.646
is I want to have the project done

01:09:12.247 --> 01:09:14.411
before I actually launch the Kickstarter.

01:09:14.791 --> 01:09:16.935
And the big reason is the stress.

01:09:17.435 --> 01:09:19.137
You already have stress doing the

01:09:19.177 --> 01:09:19.658
Kickstarter.

01:09:19.698 --> 01:09:22.061
You always have the imposter syndrome guy

01:09:22.101 --> 01:09:22.963
sitting on your shoulder.

01:09:23.444 --> 01:09:25.087
The last thing I need is then

01:09:26.189 --> 01:09:28.109
know and i'm not trying to blame anybody

01:09:28.149 --> 01:09:30.551
but what if the printer you know takes

01:09:30.591 --> 01:09:32.331
an extra month to get the thing what

01:09:32.371 --> 01:09:35.231
if the the artist you know those last

01:09:35.252 --> 01:09:36.972
couple of pages it takes an extra few

01:09:36.993 --> 01:09:38.854
weeks to get in you know these these

01:09:38.873 --> 01:09:41.534
things can snowball on you and i don't

01:09:41.555 --> 01:09:43.296
want to be sitting there thinking i'm

01:09:43.355 --> 01:09:45.216
letting down the backers because again at

01:09:45.235 --> 01:09:47.056
the end of the day i'm the one

01:09:47.096 --> 01:09:49.198
launching it it's my project you know

01:09:50.018 --> 01:09:51.878
And there has to be a trust that

01:09:51.918 --> 01:09:53.958
you build up hopefully between you and the

01:09:53.979 --> 01:09:56.420
backers because they're giving you money

01:09:56.500 --> 01:09:58.740
for something they haven't seen, you know,

01:09:58.961 --> 01:09:59.740
necessarily seen,

01:09:59.801 --> 01:10:01.181
especially if it's your first thing.

01:10:02.221 --> 01:10:04.002
So that would probably be my number one

01:10:04.042 --> 01:10:04.302
thing.

01:10:04.363 --> 01:10:07.042
And I would highly suggest it for anybody.

01:10:07.463 --> 01:10:08.764
And then the other thing kind of goes

01:10:08.783 --> 01:10:09.863
back to what you're saying, though.

01:10:10.264 --> 01:10:10.984
Don't pitch it.

01:10:11.085 --> 01:10:11.864
Let's do it.

01:10:12.613 --> 01:10:12.935
you know,

01:10:13.015 --> 01:10:16.421
like the difference between somebody who

01:10:16.440 --> 01:10:18.243
has written some something and somebody

01:10:18.264 --> 01:10:20.028
who has not written something is the

01:10:20.068 --> 01:10:22.332
words, the end basically on the, you know,

01:10:22.372 --> 01:10:23.252
at the end of the page.

01:10:23.313 --> 01:10:23.613
Right.

01:10:23.673 --> 01:10:24.074
So like,

01:10:24.813 --> 01:10:27.554
So many times, especially early on,

01:10:27.694 --> 01:10:28.194
it was like,

01:10:28.293 --> 01:10:30.494
I can't do it for whatever reason.

01:10:30.534 --> 01:10:31.875
And some of them are legit, right?

01:10:31.935 --> 01:10:32.314
Obviously,

01:10:32.375 --> 01:10:34.055
money at the end of the day is

01:10:34.155 --> 01:10:35.115
one of the biggest things.

01:10:35.136 --> 01:10:36.676
Yes, money and time.

01:10:36.837 --> 01:10:37.296
Yes.

01:10:37.716 --> 01:10:39.978
But if you can find a way, heck,

01:10:40.037 --> 01:10:41.118
if you could figure out a way to

01:10:41.137 --> 01:10:43.378
get the first five pages and a cover

01:10:43.418 --> 01:10:44.399
done, right?

01:10:44.988 --> 01:10:47.291
Can you can you scrounge up enough money

01:10:47.331 --> 01:10:47.930
for that?

01:10:48.270 --> 01:10:49.612
And then maybe that's what you take.

01:10:49.692 --> 01:10:50.112
Now, again,

01:10:50.152 --> 01:10:51.592
that goes against the having the whole

01:10:51.613 --> 01:10:52.134
thing done.

01:10:52.194 --> 01:10:53.134
But, you know,

01:10:53.215 --> 01:10:55.115
maybe you can figure out if I had

01:10:55.256 --> 01:10:56.356
a five hundred dollars,

01:10:56.476 --> 01:10:57.476
I could get the rest of this done.

01:10:57.556 --> 01:10:59.618
If I had a thousand dollars, you know.

01:10:59.679 --> 01:10:59.979
Yeah.

01:10:59.998 --> 01:11:01.579
How much blood and sweat are you willing

01:11:01.619 --> 01:11:02.640
to put into it?

01:11:02.720 --> 01:11:03.501
You know, as well.

01:11:03.740 --> 01:11:04.042
Right.

01:11:04.061 --> 01:11:05.603
At the end of the day, you know,

01:11:06.382 --> 01:11:08.585
if you're going to be going into it

01:11:08.664 --> 01:11:10.265
and you're not you have, you know.

01:11:11.632 --> 01:11:13.895
not putting nobody on blast i would never

01:11:13.935 --> 01:11:16.676
do that but if you're coming into it

01:11:16.936 --> 01:11:18.618
and you got half a book and a

01:11:18.639 --> 01:11:20.560
freaking banging cover and you need that

01:11:21.001 --> 01:11:23.061
that kickstarter to really finish that

01:11:23.101 --> 01:11:27.706
book start that kickstarter yeah i i i'm

01:11:27.805 --> 01:11:31.128
interviewing a guy in two weeks that's the

01:11:31.168 --> 01:11:33.190
boat he's in and i'm hoping what we're

01:11:33.211 --> 01:11:34.872
bringing to the table when he comes to

01:11:34.912 --> 01:11:37.833
the table hey i've read what he's got

01:11:38.934 --> 01:11:43.275
amazing stuff like i'm like dude yeah i'm

01:11:43.315 --> 01:11:44.996
glad you're doing the kit started to get

01:11:45.036 --> 01:11:48.618
this out because it's it's a a cool

01:11:48.658 --> 01:11:52.439
spin on a superhero character that i

01:11:52.920 --> 01:11:55.600
really like i was like this is new

01:11:55.680 --> 01:11:58.101
it's a little different yeah i'm like i'm

01:11:58.141 --> 01:12:00.202
glad you're going this route because you

01:12:00.242 --> 01:12:01.302
need to get this finished

01:12:02.280 --> 01:12:03.162
The story's done.

01:12:03.181 --> 01:12:04.681
It's just the art that he needs to

01:12:04.721 --> 01:12:05.222
get done.

01:12:05.863 --> 01:12:07.503
So the Kickstarter is going to help him

01:12:07.543 --> 01:12:09.024
get the art done and get that book

01:12:09.064 --> 01:12:09.685
out to people.

01:12:10.706 --> 01:12:11.605
And I'm just like, dude,

01:12:11.626 --> 01:12:12.627
I love this concept.

01:12:13.527 --> 01:12:14.847
So again,

01:12:15.467 --> 01:12:16.828
we'll talk to him in like two weeks,

01:12:16.889 --> 01:12:18.989
but he's one of, like you just said,

01:12:19.029 --> 01:12:21.372
he's one of those guys where he's got

01:12:21.712 --> 01:12:23.153
a great initial concept.

01:12:23.172 --> 01:12:24.594
The half of the book is done.

01:12:24.934 --> 01:12:26.054
The art looks great.

01:12:26.073 --> 01:12:27.414
The story is great.

01:12:28.275 --> 01:12:28.775
And yeah,

01:12:30.306 --> 01:12:32.229
Jump into that Kickstarter, get it funded,

01:12:32.350 --> 01:12:32.730
and get it done.

01:12:32.751 --> 01:12:33.030
Yeah.

01:12:34.212 --> 01:12:35.475
No better time than the present.

01:12:35.534 --> 01:12:36.055
Yep.

01:12:36.456 --> 01:12:37.077
Get her done.

01:12:37.518 --> 01:12:39.461
Yep.

01:12:39.480 --> 01:12:39.661
So.

01:12:41.220 --> 01:12:41.859
I'm going to ask,

01:12:41.899 --> 01:12:44.742
how important has the community been,

01:12:44.761 --> 01:12:47.823
like reviewers and podcaster fans,

01:12:48.344 --> 01:12:50.005
been to your success with these books?

01:12:50.064 --> 01:12:51.445
I know when you initially emailed me,

01:12:51.466 --> 01:12:52.806
you were like, hey,

01:12:52.907 --> 01:12:53.907
would you do a review?

01:12:54.427 --> 01:12:54.927
And I'm like, dude,

01:12:54.967 --> 01:12:56.429
I do podcasts and I give you the

01:12:56.469 --> 01:12:57.788
review, basically.

01:12:57.850 --> 01:12:59.029
And I've done that for what,

01:12:59.130 --> 01:12:59.890
an hour now?

01:13:00.251 --> 01:13:01.211
Yeah, absolutely.

01:13:01.351 --> 01:13:02.572
I've sung the praises of the book.

01:13:02.652 --> 01:13:03.613
And yeah,

01:13:03.672 --> 01:13:05.134
I could type you out a review,

01:13:05.234 --> 01:13:06.895
but I think this is more personal.

01:13:07.574 --> 01:13:09.255
No, I think you're absolutely.

01:13:09.296 --> 01:13:10.376
And like I said, you know,

01:13:10.676 --> 01:13:13.256
I'm dipping my toe into the podcast side

01:13:13.296 --> 01:13:15.516
of things, trying to get these, you know,

01:13:16.176 --> 01:13:17.398
conversations going.

01:13:17.837 --> 01:13:20.378
But, you know, I feel like every,

01:13:21.238 --> 01:13:23.458
every person that's taken the time to do

01:13:23.519 --> 01:13:25.220
a review to even do some kind of

01:13:25.260 --> 01:13:27.279
just spotlight, you know, share the link.

01:13:27.860 --> 01:13:30.640
I mean, every single one of those,

01:13:31.320 --> 01:13:33.101
you know, whether I can directly measure,

01:13:33.202 --> 01:13:34.462
oh, that's definitely a sale, you know, I,

01:13:34.542 --> 01:13:36.523
you know, I don't necessarily know,

01:13:36.603 --> 01:13:36.703
but

01:13:38.251 --> 01:13:38.570
Again,

01:13:38.631 --> 01:13:42.113
my hope is that to get this in

01:13:42.172 --> 01:13:42.832
front of people,

01:13:42.872 --> 01:13:44.113
to get them to read it,

01:13:44.354 --> 01:13:46.994
to get them to buy in and that

01:13:48.036 --> 01:13:49.837
they'll be excited when issue four drops

01:13:49.877 --> 01:13:53.137
next year and kind of go that way.

01:13:53.177 --> 01:13:56.219
Because at the end of the day,

01:13:56.399 --> 01:13:57.619
Ag and I are doing this because we

01:13:57.680 --> 01:13:58.319
love comics.

01:13:58.399 --> 01:13:59.341
We love the story.

01:13:59.980 --> 01:14:01.341
And we want other people to like and,

01:14:01.601 --> 01:14:03.523
you know, love the thing that we've made,

01:14:03.603 --> 01:14:05.724
which is always a weird thing to say.

01:14:05.804 --> 01:14:08.206
But like, no, but it's not, though.

01:14:08.506 --> 01:14:10.686
You want to share your passion with

01:14:11.087 --> 01:14:13.228
everybody around you with what you've

01:14:13.268 --> 01:14:13.649
done.

01:14:14.208 --> 01:14:16.130
And y'all put together this phenomenal

01:14:16.170 --> 01:14:19.412
story that and to be fair to everybody

01:14:19.511 --> 01:14:20.271
out there right now.

01:14:21.792 --> 01:14:23.873
Very few people have done this kind of

01:14:23.934 --> 01:14:27.315
story and executed it to the level that

01:14:27.355 --> 01:14:28.997
y'all have executed it at.

01:14:30.016 --> 01:14:31.279
Well, I appreciate that.

01:14:32.100 --> 01:14:33.261
Those are very kind words.

01:14:33.280 --> 01:14:35.404
And that's, you know, that's what we hope,

01:14:35.764 --> 01:14:35.984
right?

01:14:36.024 --> 01:14:36.265
Like,

01:14:36.505 --> 01:14:38.528
we hope that somebody reads the story,

01:14:38.587 --> 01:14:39.729
they really enjoy it.

01:14:39.869 --> 01:14:40.610
And, you know,

01:14:41.881 --> 01:14:43.921
And if that happens and at the end

01:14:43.962 --> 01:14:45.783
of the day, they say, hey, you know,

01:14:45.962 --> 01:14:47.783
this was something that moved me or

01:14:47.823 --> 01:14:49.524
touched me or, you know, whatever.

01:14:50.125 --> 01:14:51.225
That's kind of the goal.

01:14:51.326 --> 01:14:52.945
And so, you know,

01:14:52.985 --> 01:14:54.306
getting back to the original question,

01:14:54.567 --> 01:14:56.467
any person that has that has shared it

01:14:56.507 --> 01:14:58.548
in some way or or put even the

01:14:58.588 --> 01:15:01.250
tiniest spotlight on the book.

01:15:01.729 --> 01:15:03.030
I mean, I you know.

01:15:04.149 --> 01:15:05.949
If any of them came to me,

01:15:06.010 --> 01:15:07.331
I would do whatever I could to help

01:15:07.371 --> 01:15:07.811
them out.

01:15:08.011 --> 01:15:12.515
So sharing things, putting the word out,

01:15:13.395 --> 01:15:14.636
I feel like that's the part of the

01:15:14.655 --> 01:15:18.337
community that I try to do whenever I

01:15:18.377 --> 01:15:18.939
can.

01:15:19.219 --> 01:15:21.579
And certainly during the course of the

01:15:21.619 --> 01:15:22.320
Kickstarter,

01:15:22.661 --> 01:15:24.362
occasionally doing an update that says,

01:15:24.421 --> 01:15:25.722
hey, by the way,

01:15:25.802 --> 01:15:27.823
there's this thing over here too that you

01:15:27.863 --> 01:15:28.484
might like.

01:15:29.005 --> 01:15:32.426
because so that's literally what i do as

01:15:32.466 --> 01:15:34.867
your kickstarter is going as i see your

01:15:34.927 --> 01:15:37.408
post come across social media i

01:15:37.448 --> 01:15:39.869
immediately re-blog it or reshare it or

01:15:39.890 --> 01:15:41.869
whatever you want to call it yeah and

01:15:41.890 --> 01:15:43.470
then i add it to my story like

01:15:43.530 --> 01:15:47.453
hey check this book out you know and

01:15:47.733 --> 01:15:50.194
like us i told you before we went

01:15:50.293 --> 01:15:53.515
on air is if you're on my podcast

01:15:53.875 --> 01:15:54.655
you you've a

01:15:55.523 --> 01:15:57.963
You're welcome because you're now a member

01:15:58.003 --> 01:15:59.085
of the Council of Nerds.

01:16:00.225 --> 01:16:05.046
And B, if I don't like this shit,

01:16:05.067 --> 01:16:06.007
it's not coming on here.

01:16:06.108 --> 01:16:06.828
You know what I'm saying?

01:16:06.887 --> 01:16:07.608
No, fair enough.

01:16:07.627 --> 01:16:10.550
I mean, again, we all have limited time,

01:16:10.649 --> 01:16:10.909
right?

01:16:10.989 --> 01:16:12.550
So that's why I totally appreciate it too.

01:16:12.569 --> 01:16:14.371
You're getting my seal of approval at the

01:16:14.430 --> 01:16:15.332
end of the podcast.

01:16:15.372 --> 01:16:16.112
You know what I'm saying?

01:16:17.353 --> 01:16:18.912
So, I mean, for me,

01:16:19.894 --> 01:16:21.734
I've never said no because I've never been

01:16:21.774 --> 01:16:24.275
delivered a product or a project where I

01:16:24.296 --> 01:16:24.836
was just like,

01:16:25.555 --> 01:16:28.636
might want to rethink this one i've never

01:16:28.676 --> 01:16:31.277
had that happen yet i'm sure it's going

01:16:31.296 --> 01:16:33.898
to it's bound to happen someday but i've

01:16:33.917 --> 01:16:35.658
been very lucky and very blessed in the

01:16:35.719 --> 01:16:37.500
fact that when people present me things

01:16:38.439 --> 01:16:40.961
either it's new and i love the concept

01:16:42.082 --> 01:16:44.603
or it's just so well done that how

01:16:44.643 --> 01:16:45.722
can i say no to it right yeah

01:16:47.083 --> 01:16:50.104
or you're an established individual within

01:16:50.164 --> 01:16:52.666
your what you're doing you know and i'm

01:16:52.706 --> 01:16:52.926
like

01:16:54.078 --> 01:16:54.899
Let's feature them.

01:16:55.198 --> 01:16:56.479
And that's what we're doing here tonight

01:16:56.520 --> 01:16:57.140
with you, John.

01:16:57.739 --> 01:17:00.261
But we're going to start wrapping this up.

01:17:00.341 --> 01:17:01.640
But since it's October,

01:17:02.301 --> 01:17:04.442
spooky season is upon us.

01:17:05.881 --> 01:17:07.582
We're going to end this tonight with some

01:17:07.643 --> 01:17:09.604
spooky twist before we let you plug your

01:17:09.644 --> 01:17:10.363
social media.

01:17:11.344 --> 01:17:13.965
And since In Our Dreams Awake is all

01:17:14.005 --> 01:17:15.085
about dreams,

01:17:15.944 --> 01:17:18.166
do you believe dreams can predict the

01:17:18.225 --> 01:17:21.146
future or reveal truths about us?

01:17:22.210 --> 01:17:26.136
a thousand percent yes absolutely like uh

01:17:26.337 --> 01:17:27.880
i mean i feel like everybody has that

01:17:27.960 --> 01:17:30.444
story of uh an aunt or a grandmother

01:17:30.524 --> 01:17:32.969
or somebody who had some dream that you

01:17:32.988 --> 01:17:35.032
know kind of predicted something

01:17:35.777 --> 01:17:37.838
and not necessarily always bad but a lot

01:17:37.859 --> 01:17:39.541
of times those stories are like i i

01:17:39.581 --> 01:17:41.042
had this thing and then it turned out

01:17:41.082 --> 01:17:42.944
this person was sick with the flu and

01:17:43.505 --> 01:17:45.867
you know or whatever um yeah and so

01:17:45.947 --> 01:17:47.229
i've i have you know there's been a

01:17:47.288 --> 01:17:50.372
couple of those in uh my family tree

01:17:50.412 --> 01:17:53.435
that i feel like uh makes me think

01:17:54.255 --> 01:17:55.355
it makes me think it has to be

01:17:55.416 --> 01:17:55.695
true.

01:17:55.895 --> 01:17:57.115
And I kind of want to live in

01:17:57.155 --> 01:17:58.176
a world where it's true,

01:17:58.277 --> 01:17:58.976
even if it's not true.

01:17:59.237 --> 01:17:59.556
Right.

01:17:59.837 --> 01:18:00.497
A hundred percent.

01:18:00.557 --> 01:18:02.399
A hundred percent.

01:18:02.458 --> 01:18:04.319
Everybody's got that one on in their

01:18:04.359 --> 01:18:05.779
family that you swear to God is a

01:18:05.840 --> 01:18:06.180
witch.

01:18:06.479 --> 01:18:07.100
Absolutely.

01:18:08.640 --> 01:18:10.381
I said, which with the W people,

01:18:10.561 --> 01:18:10.981
I heard it.

01:18:11.101 --> 01:18:11.462
I heard it.

01:18:11.561 --> 01:18:12.582
I can back.

01:18:13.023 --> 01:18:14.583
Everybody's got one of those other ants.

01:18:14.604 --> 01:18:16.003
That's one of those two other ones too.

01:18:16.243 --> 01:18:17.385
So,

01:18:17.404 --> 01:18:19.786
so now the weirdest dream you've ever had.

01:18:21.451 --> 01:18:22.811
And not those ones from your teenage

01:18:22.832 --> 01:18:23.552
years, John.

01:18:23.632 --> 01:18:24.512
No, no.

01:18:27.635 --> 01:18:28.996
This is going to sound so bizarre,

01:18:29.015 --> 01:18:29.976
but dreams are like that.

01:18:29.997 --> 01:18:30.457
That's the point.

01:18:30.698 --> 01:18:32.458
I think the weirdest dream I ever had

01:18:32.538 --> 01:18:35.320
was when I was very young,

01:18:35.341 --> 01:18:36.841
it was like a recurring nightmare that

01:18:36.881 --> 01:18:38.023
really didn't make any sense,

01:18:38.063 --> 01:18:39.863
but it was numbers.

01:18:40.003 --> 01:18:40.363
I don't know,

01:18:40.404 --> 01:18:42.485
like from the old Sesame Street style

01:18:42.546 --> 01:18:45.108
where they were like puppets or Muppets.

01:18:45.127 --> 01:18:45.608
Yes, yes.

01:18:46.387 --> 01:18:48.729
And they were basically like lemmings

01:18:48.770 --> 01:18:49.791
going off a cliff.

01:18:50.489 --> 01:18:52.091
And that was like the big part of

01:18:52.110 --> 01:18:53.972
the dream was I couldn't stop them from

01:18:54.052 --> 01:18:54.832
doing this.

01:18:55.533 --> 01:18:56.234
And, you know,

01:18:56.335 --> 01:18:58.136
it's I don't know if that was I

01:18:58.155 --> 01:19:00.157
was on my way for my engineering degree,

01:19:00.217 --> 01:19:01.618
even at like five or six.

01:19:01.738 --> 01:19:03.899
But that number is in the head.

01:19:03.979 --> 01:19:05.001
I mean, that's, you know,

01:19:05.180 --> 01:19:06.242
over forty years ago.

01:19:06.282 --> 01:19:08.163
And it's still in my brain that like

01:19:08.243 --> 01:19:10.604
that was something that kind of my my

01:19:10.706 --> 01:19:12.027
youth just I don't know.

01:19:12.306 --> 01:19:13.347
I don't want to say scarred me,

01:19:13.408 --> 01:19:14.769
but it was just a recurring little

01:19:14.828 --> 01:19:15.288
nightmare.

01:19:15.349 --> 01:19:17.850
No, never scarred me, too.

01:19:17.871 --> 01:19:19.011
But it was my algebra teacher.

01:19:20.622 --> 01:19:21.903
But how about you?

01:19:21.943 --> 01:19:24.963
Do you have a recurring something like

01:19:25.003 --> 01:19:25.344
that?

01:19:26.923 --> 01:19:27.184
For me,

01:19:27.203 --> 01:19:30.204
it would be like I always had the

01:19:30.284 --> 01:19:32.305
fallen dream where you're just fallen.

01:19:32.484 --> 01:19:33.445
Oh, yeah.

01:19:33.485 --> 01:19:33.826
Yeah.

01:19:33.845 --> 01:19:35.926
And it always would happen like in

01:19:35.966 --> 01:19:36.525
different ways.

01:19:36.565 --> 01:19:39.567
Like I was spinning on the merry-go-round

01:19:39.627 --> 01:19:41.167
really fast and I fell off and I

01:19:41.186 --> 01:19:42.106
just kept falling.

01:19:42.587 --> 01:19:42.966
And for me,

01:19:43.006 --> 01:19:45.608
it was always that that concept there.

01:19:45.627 --> 01:19:45.728
Yeah.

01:19:46.427 --> 01:19:47.668
But it was the only thing that was

01:19:47.708 --> 01:19:49.229
like the same every time is that I

01:19:49.248 --> 01:19:51.649
was fallen and I would never stop falling

01:19:51.689 --> 01:19:53.470
and then I would just wake up.

01:19:53.511 --> 01:19:55.911
But I always got to the fall differently

01:19:55.971 --> 01:19:56.731
every single time.

01:19:56.752 --> 01:19:57.712
Right.

01:19:57.752 --> 01:20:00.092
So whether I accidentally fell off a cliff

01:20:00.193 --> 01:20:01.873
or I was hiking and I fell into

01:20:01.913 --> 01:20:04.555
a cave is just the I would just

01:20:04.574 --> 01:20:05.135
keep falling.

01:20:05.774 --> 01:20:07.895
So that was for mine.

01:20:08.055 --> 01:20:09.036
And I know that's weird.

01:20:10.235 --> 01:20:12.016
And I'm sure other people have one similar

01:20:12.037 --> 01:20:12.296
to it.

01:20:12.317 --> 01:20:14.377
But for me, it was always the fall.

01:20:14.436 --> 01:20:15.818
And how I got to the fall was

01:20:15.877 --> 01:20:16.618
always different.

01:20:18.399 --> 01:20:21.760
So Jason Byron is our main character in

01:20:22.300 --> 01:20:23.199
In Our Dreams Awake.

01:20:23.600 --> 01:20:25.239
If he had a Halloween costume,

01:20:25.940 --> 01:20:28.820
what would he be?

01:20:28.881 --> 01:20:30.301
Well, I think that...

01:20:31.488 --> 01:20:32.369
In some weird ways,

01:20:32.409 --> 01:20:34.012
he's kind of wearing them in the dreams.

01:20:34.172 --> 01:20:37.479
But which one is the costume?

01:20:37.679 --> 01:20:37.960
I know.

01:20:38.060 --> 01:20:40.583
I feel like on the fantasy side,

01:20:40.663 --> 01:20:42.408
he would probably go as a Magi.

01:20:43.118 --> 01:20:44.639
and dress up and maybe try to live

01:20:44.679 --> 01:20:47.079
that life for a hot you know minute

01:20:47.260 --> 01:20:49.900
um with the uh with jason and the

01:20:49.961 --> 01:20:51.761
cyberpunk i mean he'd have to like go

01:20:51.782 --> 01:20:54.103
as a fish alien i mean that way

01:20:54.143 --> 01:20:55.903
you know he can't pull off the cat

01:20:56.002 --> 01:20:58.503
so yeah yeah no he's too tall for

01:20:58.543 --> 01:21:00.664
that but like yeah i think going as

01:21:00.685 --> 01:21:02.945
a fish alien i like it i like

01:21:03.046 --> 01:21:03.867
it so

01:21:05.014 --> 01:21:07.515
To wrap up our Halloween Twisted questions

01:21:07.555 --> 01:21:07.836
here,

01:21:08.796 --> 01:21:11.559
what is your all-time favorite horror,

01:21:12.020 --> 01:21:12.739
sci-fi,

01:21:13.100 --> 01:21:16.162
or fantasy story that really inspired you

01:21:16.203 --> 01:21:21.287
to write novels and to write comic books?

01:21:21.306 --> 01:21:22.247
You can have more than one.

01:21:22.547 --> 01:21:22.929
Yeah.

01:21:23.609 --> 01:21:28.292
So I think that one of my all-time

01:21:28.372 --> 01:21:31.314
favorites just of the horror genre is

01:21:31.395 --> 01:21:31.855
Scream.

01:21:32.796 --> 01:21:34.716
And I love the fact that they

01:21:34.877 --> 01:21:38.460
deconstructed the whole horror genre while

01:21:38.500 --> 01:21:41.021
still being very true to all of it

01:21:41.061 --> 01:21:42.162
as well.

01:21:42.844 --> 01:21:44.645
And I think that was one of those

01:21:44.704 --> 01:21:46.025
movies when I watched it,

01:21:47.329 --> 01:21:49.251
I think opened my eyes to like, oh,

01:21:49.371 --> 01:21:51.171
you can do you can look at things

01:21:51.190 --> 01:21:53.492
from a different angle than everybody

01:21:53.591 --> 01:21:53.811
else.

01:21:53.872 --> 01:21:55.471
And that's a good thing, just because,

01:21:55.511 --> 01:21:55.931
you know,

01:21:56.372 --> 01:21:58.372
so many times it's very easy to just

01:21:58.393 --> 01:22:00.332
do the same thing as everybody else.

01:22:00.853 --> 01:22:02.354
I feel like that's one of those that

01:22:02.394 --> 01:22:03.354
kind of keyed off.

01:22:03.474 --> 01:22:06.015
And then the other thing would be Stephen

01:22:06.055 --> 01:22:07.015
King's The Dark Tower.

01:22:07.734 --> 01:22:10.595
which just periodically... Not the book.

01:22:10.615 --> 01:22:11.697
The book, not the TV show.

01:22:11.716 --> 01:22:12.978
The movie was horrible.

01:22:13.418 --> 01:22:13.599
No,

01:22:13.939 --> 01:22:15.279
and I haven't watched that because my

01:22:15.319 --> 01:22:17.962
brother basically said, shook his head.

01:22:19.182 --> 01:22:21.685
It was done horribly.

01:22:21.845 --> 01:22:22.905
Great concept,

01:22:22.945 --> 01:22:25.547
but they just didn't do it right.

01:22:25.988 --> 01:22:27.689
Yeah, the series itself,

01:22:27.989 --> 01:22:29.690
the book series itself, I mean,

01:22:30.671 --> 01:22:32.033
it's one of those things where after you

01:22:32.073 --> 01:22:32.993
read a book, you go...

01:22:34.265 --> 01:22:35.867
both in a good and a bad way.

01:22:35.907 --> 01:22:37.548
It's like, why am I even doing this?

01:22:38.168 --> 01:22:39.409
Should I break my fingers?

01:22:39.449 --> 01:22:40.451
Cause I can't write that.

01:22:40.810 --> 01:22:41.591
But it also, again,

01:22:41.612 --> 01:22:43.313
gives you something to aspire to.

01:22:43.693 --> 01:22:44.413
It really does.

01:22:44.554 --> 01:22:47.676
And what's so great about that series is

01:22:49.018 --> 01:22:51.560
you can go from that series into branches

01:22:52.039 --> 01:22:53.480
to all his other books.

01:22:54.261 --> 01:22:56.023
And what's really cool about it is his

01:22:56.222 --> 01:22:59.164
son's books can fit into all of it

01:22:59.225 --> 01:22:59.645
as well.

01:23:00.426 --> 01:23:00.806
Yeah.

01:23:00.907 --> 01:23:01.306
Yeah.

01:23:01.327 --> 01:23:01.466
I,

01:23:01.527 --> 01:23:03.667
and what's funny is I've only done really

01:23:03.688 --> 01:23:05.208
the dark tower and a couple of the

01:23:05.248 --> 01:23:06.429
other books that he's written,

01:23:06.509 --> 01:23:08.630
but I have read horns by Joe Hill

01:23:09.069 --> 01:23:10.850
and I've read some of Joe Hill shorts.

01:23:11.030 --> 01:23:13.652
So probably like,

01:23:13.712 --> 01:23:15.311
I know they did the TV series based

01:23:15.372 --> 01:23:17.332
off of it, but I don't think it,

01:23:17.712 --> 01:23:19.453
even that it was, it was good,

01:23:20.033 --> 01:23:21.595
but it didn't do the book justice.

01:23:22.114 --> 01:23:22.274
Yeah.

01:23:22.314 --> 01:23:23.515
That's definitely one on my,

01:23:23.715 --> 01:23:25.576
my short list that I need to get

01:23:25.615 --> 01:23:26.076
to reading.

01:23:26.917 --> 01:23:28.056
Okay.

01:23:28.786 --> 01:23:29.025
But yeah,

01:23:29.065 --> 01:23:30.728
I think those are probably two of the

01:23:30.768 --> 01:23:30.988
keys.

01:23:31.028 --> 01:23:34.189
I mean, everything I read,

01:23:34.810 --> 01:23:37.792
I try to take in and see how

01:23:37.832 --> 01:23:39.354
it affects me or whatever.

01:23:40.774 --> 01:23:43.417
Now, follow up to the Scream.

01:23:43.957 --> 01:23:45.179
Where should they have stopped?

01:23:47.501 --> 01:23:48.440
Well, weirdly,

01:23:48.822 --> 01:23:51.023
I'm excited about the new one that's

01:23:51.063 --> 01:23:52.123
coming out next year.

01:23:52.264 --> 01:23:56.447
Yeah, I thought this last one was like...

01:23:57.469 --> 01:24:01.291
excellent in a lot of ways that it

01:24:01.331 --> 01:24:02.631
just, it hit me just right.

01:24:02.671 --> 01:24:03.851
Like I didn't see it when it came

01:24:03.993 --> 01:24:04.153
out.

01:24:04.613 --> 01:24:07.613
It was probably six months later because I

01:24:07.654 --> 01:24:09.615
kind of felt, maybe I felt like, okay,

01:24:09.655 --> 01:24:10.515
we've kind of done this.

01:24:10.576 --> 01:24:11.256
And then I watched it.

01:24:11.275 --> 01:24:12.457
I was like, oh wow.

01:24:12.516 --> 01:24:12.817
Okay.

01:24:12.856 --> 01:24:14.658
Like y'all really stepped it up.

01:24:14.717 --> 01:24:17.020
So if I was going to stop it,

01:24:17.720 --> 01:24:22.162
I would probably say though after four and

01:24:22.261 --> 01:24:23.023
the reason for that.

01:24:23.443 --> 01:24:23.662
Yeah.

01:24:23.722 --> 01:24:25.043
The reason I say four is

01:24:26.354 --> 01:24:28.215
And this is where I want the alternate

01:24:28.314 --> 01:24:31.457
ending to be the thing where spoiler alert

01:24:31.476 --> 01:24:32.518
for a twenty year old movie.

01:24:33.719 --> 01:24:37.240
She the the cousin or whatever that's

01:24:37.280 --> 01:24:38.582
basically behind everything.

01:24:39.422 --> 01:24:40.764
I want to see a movie where she

01:24:40.783 --> 01:24:41.644
got away with it.

01:24:42.345 --> 01:24:42.545
I mean,

01:24:42.585 --> 01:24:44.426
how cool would it have been screen five

01:24:44.466 --> 01:24:47.427
to just feature her in this weird like

01:24:47.528 --> 01:24:48.628
celebrity thing?

01:24:48.689 --> 01:24:49.970
And then kind of what they did with

01:24:50.010 --> 01:24:51.170
they tried to go back and do that

01:24:51.189 --> 01:24:51.671
with Saw.

01:24:52.765 --> 01:24:54.806
yeah yeah a little bit like that yeah

01:24:55.087 --> 01:24:57.569
but that i i feel like both it

01:24:57.588 --> 01:24:59.270
was a missed opportunity but i still

01:24:59.329 --> 01:25:01.731
really enjoyed the fourth one as well so

01:25:01.771 --> 01:25:02.932
i mean i've watched them all it's one

01:25:02.953 --> 01:25:03.813
of those where i'm like i would have

01:25:03.853 --> 01:25:07.515
probably stopped at three yeah fair but

01:25:07.595 --> 01:25:10.037
let's close it out john where can

01:25:10.158 --> 01:25:13.860
everybody find you in go

01:25:14.377 --> 01:25:18.137
uh so my website is john r mcguire.com

01:25:18.637 --> 01:25:20.798
so i try to post for his newsletter

01:25:21.319 --> 01:25:23.640
yes absolutely i try to write a weekly

01:25:23.680 --> 01:25:26.900
blog on there um and uh try to

01:25:26.961 --> 01:25:28.502
post any of my work there so if

01:25:28.521 --> 01:25:29.881
you happen to like anything you can

01:25:29.902 --> 01:25:32.722
definitely go and purchase it uh let's

01:25:32.762 --> 01:25:34.344
let's cheat over here to see

01:25:35.323 --> 01:25:37.666
what the actual other things i'm on x

01:25:38.466 --> 01:25:40.927
uh under john mcguire i'm on blue sky

01:25:41.788 --> 01:25:44.109
uh john mcguire and then instagram john

01:25:44.130 --> 01:25:48.292
mcguire forty um i'm a little slacker on

01:25:48.372 --> 01:25:50.474
instagram but i'm trying to get better i'm

01:25:50.514 --> 01:25:52.136
trying to get better about posting things

01:25:52.176 --> 01:25:53.997
because i do i am trying to do

01:25:54.016 --> 01:25:56.118
a visual medium so it makes the most

01:25:56.177 --> 01:25:58.159
sense to be you know more active on

01:25:58.180 --> 01:25:58.380
there

01:25:59.761 --> 01:26:02.122
To be fair to Instagram is where I

01:26:02.182 --> 01:26:04.503
do a lot of my sharing for the

01:26:04.543 --> 01:26:06.064
Kickstarters and stuff like that.

01:26:06.426 --> 01:26:07.787
I do a lot on Blue Sky as

01:26:07.846 --> 01:26:09.648
well if people are on Blue Sky.

01:26:10.288 --> 01:26:12.289
But you have to really dig on Blue

01:26:12.329 --> 01:26:13.211
Sky to find it.

01:26:13.650 --> 01:26:16.332
But Instagram is like right in my face.

01:26:16.733 --> 01:26:17.594
Yeah, absolutely.

01:26:18.694 --> 01:26:20.036
And that's pretty much it.

01:26:21.020 --> 01:26:21.280
John,

01:26:21.621 --> 01:26:23.141
I can't thank you enough for coming on

01:26:23.622 --> 01:26:24.802
In Our Dreams Awake, y'all.

01:26:25.203 --> 01:26:26.764
Phenomenal, phenomenal book.

01:26:27.083 --> 01:26:28.824
Drops tomorrow on Kickstarter at

01:26:28.885 --> 01:26:29.585
lunchtime.

01:26:30.345 --> 01:26:31.605
Go give it some support.

01:26:31.706 --> 01:26:34.046
It's a phenomenal, phenomenal book.

01:26:34.106 --> 01:26:37.849
If you're into dreams and twisted tales

01:26:37.908 --> 01:26:40.449
where it's the same dream,

01:26:41.149 --> 01:26:42.551
total two different ways,

01:26:43.430 --> 01:26:45.091
but done very eloquently,

01:26:45.391 --> 01:26:48.552
and it's tremendous.

01:26:48.672 --> 01:26:48.974
It's...

01:26:50.854 --> 01:26:52.274
If you want something different to read,

01:26:52.295 --> 01:26:53.735
I highly,

01:26:53.815 --> 01:26:56.376
highly recommend In Our Dreams Awake.

01:26:57.195 --> 01:27:00.377
And on top of everything, John McGuire,

01:27:01.436 --> 01:27:02.537
In Our Dreams Awake,

01:27:03.117 --> 01:27:04.537
we'll throw in Egg too because he's a

01:27:04.597 --> 01:27:05.778
part of this whole thing and all the

01:27:05.877 --> 01:27:06.938
artists and everybody else,

01:27:07.898 --> 01:27:09.639
is USDN approved.

01:27:11.519 --> 01:27:11.819
Awesome.

01:27:12.118 --> 01:27:13.219
So there it is.

01:27:13.298 --> 01:27:14.260
And John, again,

01:27:14.640 --> 01:27:16.319
welcome to the Council of Nerds.

01:27:17.485 --> 01:27:18.405
And with that, everybody,

01:27:18.466 --> 01:27:20.027
we'll see you back in a couple of

01:27:20.046 --> 01:27:20.488
weeks.

01:27:20.787 --> 01:27:22.769
Unless I get another interview lined up,

01:27:22.809 --> 01:27:24.168
which maybe I will.

01:27:24.989 --> 01:27:27.430
With that, everybody, y'all be good.

01:27:28.070 --> 01:27:29.671
And we are out of here.

01:27:30.192 --> 01:27:32.913
Thank you again.

01:27:32.934 --> 01:27:35.015
We're going to do the outro and then

01:27:35.034 --> 01:27:35.194
we'll.