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Growing up, kids have dreams of what
they'd like to be when they get older.

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Now, what would it look like if you
had the courage to know deep in your

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heart what that dream was and to never
deviate despite overwhelming lives?

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That's exactly what my guest today
has done, and he's made a living in

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the unlikely world of high explosives.

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He's been showcased on Discovery Channel,
Mr. Beast, and works with government

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agencies across the United States.

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Welcome to the Silvercore
Podcast, Matt Barnett.

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Howdy.

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Thanks for having me on.

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Okay, I got a question growing up.

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I didn't know anybody who didn't
like fireworks watching control

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demolitions, seeing things explode.

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What is it in the human nature?

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That is so intrigued, myself
included by things that go boom.

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You know, I really, I've
thought about that before.

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My dad is a creator and, and he would
build, he would put all the work into

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building something electronically,
and then I would blow things up and

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I would see all those little bits
of circuit boards laying around.

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And I was kind of sad because I
thought, you know, I put a lot of

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work into making explosives, but
look what it did to the work that

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my dad spent all this time building.

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And I think it's the, the night
and day of the human experience.

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On one hand we like to put order
to everything, but we're also

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fascinated by chaos and destruction.

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And when you combine those two and
you can put order to the chaos and

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destruction and call it upon, uh, or
to, to use it at your command, there's

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something, uh, intoxicating about that.

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You know, it's, it's portrayed
in every movie we ever watch.

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People wanna have their
finger on the button.

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Totally.

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Well, you know, growing up I
would play war in the backyard.

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I had my little green Army man, and
I was allowed to have firecrackers

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and fireworks and gunpowder.

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But I wasn't allowed to
have a lighter or matches.

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I was given a, um, a punk and Oh yeah.

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So my parents would light the punk.

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And when that punk burns out,
that's it for the fun, right?

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So I'd make my little gunpowder trails and
they'd go over top of the firecrackers and

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the fireworks and place them between the
little army men and it'll burn down and

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things are going off and a little bit of
gas on something and it's up in flames.

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And I mean, to me, that's what
playing war as a kid was all about.

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And I loved it.

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It was, um, uh, it was something
that I thought in my heart.

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I would be doing for the rest of my life.

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There'd be some sort of, uh, uh,
explosive component to my career.

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And I guess in a way, there is, and you
know, I got into, uh, chemistry when

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I was younger and in grade four, I, I
really didn't fit in with the, uh, the

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class structure in any of the grades.

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Um, A DHD, uh, highest dosage of Ritalin
for the province on an experimental run.

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And the, uh, the teacher says,
well, Trav, he likes his chemistry.

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Um, why don't you set up your
chemistry set in the back of the class?

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And to me, chemistry meant,
and visible ink, disappearing

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ink and making things blow up.

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If it's gotta have some sort of
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then that's chemistry, right?

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Otherwise, you're not
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It sounds to me like you had
kind of a similar upbringing.

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Yeah, well, when I was seven, my dad
taught me how to make black powder.

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Mm-hmm.

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And it was, it was pretty straightforward.

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He always was teaching
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He'd show me how to use a camera.

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Uh, he'd, you know, take me
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me stories, historical stuff.

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But one day he started talking
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as a kid back in the fifties.

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He made these homemade rockets
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of the time they'd blow up.

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But he showed me how to make
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And that kind of stuck.

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And then I had this thing, I don't
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of haunts me to this day, but I can't,
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something one time in a finite amount.

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I want to have the knowledge
to recreate it anytime I want.

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Unlimited, right?

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Mm-hmm.

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so when it came to making black
powder, I was like, well, where

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do you get the charcoal from?

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And he told me, you know, and then
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Well, where do you get the sulfur from?

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So I started researching where I
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Then where do you get
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And I started researching that, and I
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And so my, my love for chemistry was
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world around you and create whatever
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want, so that it could never be taken.

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Because I didn't like the idea of
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being used up, and then it's gone, and
then you're relying on something else.

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And you know, it, it's kind of a theme
throughout my life when I, I received

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a bunch of, uh, 50 caliber ammunition
once, and so I thought, well, I need to

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get a belt fed 50 caliber to shoot this.

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And then I thought, well, I don't want
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wanna get a big ranch so I can air it out.

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And that was one of the, you know,
it seems insane, but that was one

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of the motivators that if I were
to plot out reasons for buying, you

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know, over a thousand acres of land,
it's just so I can peacefully go

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shoot my 50 cal into a mountainside.

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that doesn't, that doesn't
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That sounds perfectly rational.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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But a lot of people just wouldn't get it.

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But that, so that's my chemistry route.

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It, it was all about what you, you
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gonna be around air, water, and geology.

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And from that I wanna be able to
make all the explosives that I want.

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And so it just sent me off on this, on
this tangent of following chemistry.

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And so when it went, when I went to school
to college, it was like, that was the only

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thing that made sense because that was
the only thing I was truly interested in.

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You know, kinda like what you were saying.

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You know, for me it opened up doors
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probably wouldn't have opened up.

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Like I learned about electronics because
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Uh, I learned about, uh, electronic
ignitions make my own circuit boards

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and soldering and, and so, you
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And then you learn a little bit about,
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uh, fabricating and some woodwork.

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And then you're thinking about, uh,
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or mechanical or, um, and it's just
a massive, for an A DHD brain, you

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can invent to your heart's content
and you start thinking like, yeah,

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you, you, you can make anything
into something that goes boom.

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Right?

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Uh, really as you, as you put your,
your head to it, I read through

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those old booby trap books that the,
uh, old US army manuals as a kid.

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And my favorite one, which is, uh.

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The, the Anarchist Cookbook
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got the anarchist cookbook.

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And like, just dangerous, dangerous
literature with very, very minimal

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information, enough to kind of get it
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But for me it was, it was the,
the inventing process that,

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uh, uh, that really drove me.

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And, and I gotta think like
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He was into rockets and
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Now, I always figured nine 11 was
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the timeline that really, uh, turned
the chemical enthusiast, the rocket

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engineer enthusiast into the person who
can't talk about it to anyone anymore.

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Like they had Oklahoma City, they had,
uh, uh, they had a, the UNA bomber.

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But, and then after nine 11, it's like, oh
man, like we gotta, like, is this a hobby?

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Am I allowed to talk about this?

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Is this something that's, uh, or am I
gonna get a label associated with this?

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Well, I mean, that's a slippery slope,
and that's a dangerous world to go into

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because once you start censoring, uh,
you, you, it just, it doesn't stop.

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Mm-hmm.

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The censorship just continues on
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So, a free world is not a safe world.

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A free world is quite dangerous, but you
have the means to defend yourself in it.

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And, uh, I don't think that
knowledge is something that ever

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should be, uh, squished just because
somebody deems it as dangerous.

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I mean, we're down to the fundamentals
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mathematics, physics, and chemistry.

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If you are gonna say that somebody
who goes to a chemistry class is

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going to learn the basics of what's
behind explosives, and therefore we

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can't teach chemistry, you're gutting
your country, uh, and your future.

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Mm. I mean, yes, you're gonna
have people that are gonna misuse

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that, that's never changed.

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Sure.

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you're gonna have people that are
gonna do a lot of good with it too.

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To try to, to try to curtail the,
the bad people by limiting knowledge

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is gotta be the worst way about it.

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I mean, that's, you have so many
inventors and creators out there

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that are being stunted because they
can't get where they need to go.

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Uh, just because you don't want to,
uh, you, you don't want some bad guy

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to half a chance come across some
knowledge that honestly is in an

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Encyclopedia Britannica, you know?

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Well, that's it.

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I I was gonna bring out some of my old
techno techno chemical receipt books and,

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uh, I don't know if you've seen those
old books, but they have, uh, they're put

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out for, so people could make their own
soap and they could make their own Yeah.

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Like different ways of
doing common things.

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Just like you said, like, I don't want
to be without, and they're over a hundred

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years old and their need old books.

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And I'd go through them and,
and I felt like I was a mad

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scientist, but I was, I was, yeah.

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Creating things.

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I thought that was pretty cool.

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And the, then you come out of the blue
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when, uh, uh, the Collective Cha Sean
and Chance had you on the collective,

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and I saw you on this panel forum.

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I'm like, here's a guy who's got
a lot more to say that what the

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panel forum will allow 'em to say.

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So, uh, which is why I reached out.

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But you've got a Instagram account
and a social media account, which

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just celebrates the knowledge.

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You recognize the fact that these
things are dangerous and it's a safe

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way to be able to deal with it, but
it's also there's an intrigue or

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an interest, and you don't shy away
from, uh, uh, from sharing that.

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And I, I thought that
was rather refreshing.

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Oh, thank you.

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I appreciate that.

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I guess I never gave it a thought.

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You know, some people make comments
on their, why are you putting

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this information out there?

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And I'm like, well, first of all.

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I'm not saying go down to Walmart and buy
a a and B and c and mix 'em together this

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way and make that I'm, I'm not putting
that out there and I'm, I'm demonstrating

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principles of physics and chemistry
with commercially produced material

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that most people with Illit intent
will never get and have no access to.

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Uh, you could argue on the other side
of the world though, you know, in

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a war zone people use this, but I'm
not showing anything groundbreaking.

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What I'm, what I'm doing is basically
introducing a primer into the information

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and the knowledge on my social media
channels such that, uh, twofold.

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One, it inspires those that are
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energetics industry as well as help
those who are transitioning out of a

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military life into a civilian life.

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And they wanna know if they
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They absolutely can.

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You know that that's the purpose
of it, is to help people out there.

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Mm-hmm.

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show that, yeah, this stuff
is, is actually tools.

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I was never in the military.

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Uh, nothing I've shown
is, is a weapon per se.

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It could be used as such, but our use
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Every shape charge that I use
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destroying other ordinance so that
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that needs to be safely removed.

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Uh, these are the techniques
we use to neutralize it.

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Now, if I was pouring ball bearings
and a sleeve and doing all that,

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that's, that's another thing.

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Now, I have shown some hand grenades,
but the purpose of that was to

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demonstrate the danger of it.

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So, I mean, everything I'm doing
has a legitimate purpose, but I, I

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never, it never crossed my mind, you
know, to not put that up because.

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I didn't see it as reckless or dangerous.

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I, I would think it would be reckless if I
took some household chemicals and without

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a context or without vetting who could
see it, put it out there for a 8-year-old

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kid when their parents aren't home to go
try it in the kitchen and hurt themselves.

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And I would never wanna do that, but an
eight yearold kid is not gonna go out

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in the backyard and grab a block of C
four and blasting caps because something

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far beyond me has failed at that point.

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If he can do that.

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Mm-hmm.

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Mm-hmm.

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Yeah, that's a good point.

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Well, you know, I, growing up, playing
around with this sort of stuff, always

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interested about it, has some mishaps.

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Um, a fellow I went to cadet camp
with and he ended up losing his middle

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finger and index finger and his thumb.

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And, uh, he ran one of our local gun
stores here for a while and was able to

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shoot and do everything he should do.

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But, um, he was just using
a homemade fuse and a, uh.

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And a little device that he, he
shouldn't have been playing with.

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And he thought, oh, I know I'll, I'll
light this thing while we're driving

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down and so I can throw it out the window
and uh, uh, we can get away from it.

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And of course, a flame caught
and the homemade fuse didn't work

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as well as he thought it would.

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And one thing led to another, right?

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And so there's, there's close calls
that I've experienced to other people.

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I burnt off my, my eyebrows
and my hairline when I was

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about six, seven years old.

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And I learned the difference between
black powder and smokeless powder.

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And, uh, that was, that was
a good learning experience.

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'cause I didn't realize
there was the two types.

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And when I played in the backyard,
I was always given smokeless.

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And, um, I decided my parents are gone.

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I wonder what'll happen if I just
take an entire container of this

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gunpowder, oh man, and I, and I'm gonna
light it with this magnifying glass.

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And I'm thinking like,
I know this isn't smart.

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Even in my childhood.

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Head.

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I knew it wasn't smart.

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I'm like, if it doesn't go off as
I drag the magnifying glass away,

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I'm gonna make a trail to this.

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And sure enough, it went off and
couldn't really see anything.

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My brother comes out telling me
he's got a towel over his face.

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'cause he says the burning hair
stunk so much and, but Oh, bet.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And it just looked like I had
a bad sunburn and it hurt.

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And when I could finally see more than
a big red.in front of my face, I, middle

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of summer, I had to hide it by putting
a two on and, uh, using the jiffy

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marker on my eyebrows to try and make it
look like I had proper eyebrows again.

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But, um, you know, I had
a, I never had anything.

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I, I guess the last one would've
been, uh, with, with iodine in a

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friend's house and, uh, we're drying
out the little iodine thing, make

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it little devil popper snappers.

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And someone walked through the solution
and walked through his mom's brand new

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carpet and had red iodine dots through.

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And man, we were.

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We were sweating bricks and looking at
cutting pits out of the, um, uh, out of

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the closet so that we could try and patch
up the parts of the, the, uh, the carpet.

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And it wasn't until about an hour before
his parents came back into town that,

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uh, I realized on some bulletin board
somewhere, they said, sodium thio sulfate

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will, uh, uh, get rid of iodine stains.

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Which, which it did.

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And, uh, we were, the carpets were
so and wet and, uh, the parents were

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upset about that, but none the wiser.

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But those were, those were
a few of my close calls.

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I understand you had something a
little bit more scary as a close call.

299
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Yeah, well, yeah.

300
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It wasn't even so much a close call.

301
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I just blew my hand up and, uh, yeah.

302
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Yeah, that, you know, I wasn't,
I wasn't all on my game that

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day and I was 14 years old too.

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And I had a wooden paintbrush and I was
loading that copper tube with, uh, an

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organic peroxide, primary high explosive.

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And when they're dry, they're,
they're very sensitive.

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And it had dried out.

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And, and I didn't, I wasn't aware of that.

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And it, uh, it, it probably was
only maybe a third or a half a gram.

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It wasn't much, but it was
contained in that copper tube.

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And so when it's laid out that, that
copper is what ripped up my hand and,

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you know, messed my thumb up and my
index finger and my middle finger,

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but then I had this big piece of
copper stuck right between my eyes.

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And it, it's, it was weird, you know,
I was working with it and I had the

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thought that, what if this blew up?

316
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Mm-hmm.

317
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And then I realized I couldn't
hear the radio anymore.

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I couldn't really see, there
was this weird smell and there,

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there was blood all over my leg.

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So I went in the bathroom and that's
when I saw the piece of copper in my

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eyes and I saw my tendons and the bones.

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And

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it was

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a strange experience because at that
time, you know, you talk about, earlier

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you said that playing war was fun and
little green army man and everything.

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Up until this point, I, I had read about
manufacturing explosives and, and I

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also would play with the little green
Army men and it was all sort of a game.

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And that was the first time
I got introduced to the

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carnage that it produces.

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And then I started thinking after that
about warfare, what a bullet will do, not,

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you know, I had deer hunt and stuff like
that, so I know what happens to an animal,

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but then I saw it to me, a human being
and then it just soured the whole thing.

333
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And so then on one hand I
was intrigued to go deeper.

334
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I wanna understand how
do I safely do this?

335
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How is this done in industry?

336
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'cause this is an industry staple,
the blasting cap number one,

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they don't use that compound.

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But there are safe ways to do this.

339
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On the other hand, the Peter
Pan magic of it was gone.

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And so that's why I never fantasize about
warfare or make it into something that

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it's not, because it's, it's, uh, it's an
awful thing that happens on this planet.

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You know, the, the way one man
will chew another man up, and

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I know how they can do that.

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And so it was a, it was a
great experience, you know?

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Mm-hmm.

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And it, it's a great experience because
I live through it and I, I filed it

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away as information to use to make
my tomorrow better than my today.

348
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Mm-hmm.

349
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Uh, and I use it every day.

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And so I'm grateful for
the way that it turned out.

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I was very fortunate and I believe
it would be a, a vast waste of

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an experience if I were to just
chalk that up as an accident.

353
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And this is dangerous and
don't ever go there again.

354
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I, that, to me, that
would've been the wrong move.

355
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I needed to go deeper.

356
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Hmm.

357
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So you, I'm guessing you're
probably y young adult at that time.

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Teenager.

359
00:19:22,595 --> 00:19:23,909
How, how old were you when that happened?

360
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I was 14.

361
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Okay.

362
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14. And you didn't have
parents and teachers saying,

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what the hell are you doing?

364
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Like, stop, stop playing with this?

365
00:19:34,199 --> 00:19:34,470
Yeah.

366
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No, no.

367
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I did.

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I had, uh, so I had one teacher
that wouldn't give me anything, and

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I had another teacher that would
give me stuff on the side, like some

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glassware, you know, from my lab.

371
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You're right.

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And my dad supported
me in everything I did.

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But the thing is, I, my
knowledge outgrew my fathers.

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He, he knew about black powder
and a little bit about smokeless,

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but he didn't know anything in
the realm of high explosives.

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And so when I was experimenting
in my la my, my little home

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laboratory, I was making things
that was beyond their understanding.

378
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So that's what, you know, you gotta be
careful of is when your kids outrun you

379
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and they're understanding you gotta play
catch up and make sure they're being safe.

380
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Mm-hmm.

381
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Now, I mean, they did, uh,
they did buy me dynamite and

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then we did buy blasting caps.

383
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And my dad, is that after Just go with me?

384
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Is that after the accident?

385
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Uh,

386
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or

387
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before?

388
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So I got the dynamite first.

389
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Okay.

390
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And, and, and I got some blasting
caps, but they were expensive.

391
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And remember, I'm, I'm mowing Yards
and everything, paying for this.

392
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Mm-hmm.

393
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So my parent, my dad would
just sign the paperwork.

394
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Um, so it was, it was in an attempt,
just like I said before, I don't like

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the idea of something being finite.

396
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I wanted to be able to create
this and make it from as little

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raw material as possible.

398
00:20:54,210 --> 00:20:54,629
Hmm.

399
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And so, yeah, this was after that so
that I could make caps for my dynamite.

400
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I eventually did, I made, I made a
nice, safe loading bench that we had

401
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a, an incident where as the deal blew
up on it and all the safeties were in

402
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place and everything was perfectly fine.

403
00:21:08,504 --> 00:21:11,115
Then I did end up making some
good blasting caps for my

404
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dynamite that were at almost ze.

405
00:21:13,125 --> 00:21:14,805
Well, zero cost, you know.

406
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Nice, nice.

407
00:21:17,535 --> 00:21:21,254
Um, what about, so you've
got one kid or two kids?

408
00:21:22,095 --> 00:21:23,055
I got four kids.

409
00:21:23,115 --> 00:21:24,254
You have four kids?

410
00:21:24,375 --> 00:21:24,764
Okay.

411
00:21:24,764 --> 00:21:26,745
So are they following in your footsteps?

412
00:21:28,635 --> 00:21:29,925
Uh, to a degree.

413
00:21:30,225 --> 00:21:36,405
My, my 15-year-old is leaning
more towards business.

414
00:21:36,855 --> 00:21:37,125
Okay.

415
00:21:37,215 --> 00:21:41,774
Uh, he does enjoy, you know, he,
he's made some black powder with me

416
00:21:42,165 --> 00:21:42,254
mm-hmm.

417
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Under my careful watch.

418
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And, uh, we, we do it together.

419
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And he's worked on some
rockets and smoke bombs.

420
00:21:49,545 --> 00:21:52,365
And of course he is always been
there with me when I'm blasting.

421
00:21:53,055 --> 00:21:58,215
Uh, but he, he really enjoys flying,
he likes piloting, uh, airplanes.

422
00:21:58,245 --> 00:22:02,805
And so he's, he's gonna probably have
his license by the time he is 16 or 17.

423
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And then I think, I don't know if it's
16 or 17, when they can legally get it.

424
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He can take off flying
land an airplane right now.

425
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Good for him.

426
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And so that's good.

427
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And then Max the next down.

428
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He definitely is more in the engineering
mindset and way more involved with

429
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technology than I ever was or even am now.

430
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:26,730
And my daughter's in dance and takes
it serious, like really serious.

431
00:22:26,730 --> 00:22:30,540
And then Nathaniel's four years
old and he's just, uh, he's

432
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just a ham bone right now.

433
00:22:32,129 --> 00:22:32,280
Hmm.

434
00:22:33,450 --> 00:22:38,100
So, uh, would you want to see your
kids following your footsteps to be

435
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:44,100
making a business in such a, I mean,
it, it, I don't know what it's like

436
00:22:44,129 --> 00:22:48,180
in the States, but in Canada you'd be
considered an extremely niche industry,

437
00:22:48,330 --> 00:22:49,830
uh, where your business is built.

438
00:22:50,220 --> 00:22:52,470
Uh, are you pretty niche where you're at?

439
00:22:53,970 --> 00:22:57,540
We are because we, we do
what others don't want to do.

440
00:22:57,754 --> 00:23:00,840
I, I always say we solve,
we solve explosive problems.

441
00:23:00,870 --> 00:23:04,830
And so if, if a member in the oil
and gas industry has a an issue,

442
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we try to step in and help 'em.

443
00:23:07,290 --> 00:23:12,720
Whether that's a storage issue
or, uh, somebody that needs a

444
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place to test something or a DOT
classification on some material.

445
00:23:17,340 --> 00:23:21,630
You know, I ended up being at the center
of a spider web, and so I have contacts

446
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in the entertainment industry and then
in the military side, and then the mining

447
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and in the research and development,
and it's all these different industries

448
00:23:30,510 --> 00:23:32,310
don't necessarily know of the other one.

449
00:23:32,490 --> 00:23:32,760
Right?

450
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:32,820
Hmm.

451
00:23:32,820 --> 00:23:36,300
And so one company will come to me and
say, Hey, we got all these explosives.

452
00:23:36,300 --> 00:23:37,740
We wanna get rid of
'em, we can't use them.

453
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:42,360
And I'll take 'em, and then I'll
know another industry that can use

454
00:23:42,360 --> 00:23:45,990
them, but for a slightly different
use, but still, you know, very

455
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much a legitimate use of explosive.

456
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,780
And I'll bridge that gap and then
everybody's a winner, you know?

457
00:23:51,930 --> 00:23:52,230
Sure.

458
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:57,840
Uh, and as far as my kids being in it, I'm
gonna be happiest when they're happiest.

459
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:01,530
So if, if they have zero interest in it,
well then they have zero interest in it.

460
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,020
But I do believe that my oldest.

461
00:24:04,379 --> 00:24:08,730
Is interested in the business and wants
to, while he'll still, you know, he'll

462
00:24:08,730 --> 00:24:12,780
get his pilot's license, but it looks
like he's gonna have a part to play in it.

463
00:24:12,780 --> 00:24:14,879
And believe it or not, my
daughter is making a lot of

464
00:24:14,879 --> 00:24:16,830
noise about joining me as well.

465
00:24:17,250 --> 00:24:23,040
And she would be great because she
is the extrovert, the person with

466
00:24:23,220 --> 00:24:27,840
a lot of confidence and people
love her even at nine years old.

467
00:24:27,929 --> 00:24:32,970
So when she's, you know, 25, 28 years
old, she could probably grab this

468
00:24:32,970 --> 00:24:37,020
thing by the horns and, and take it
to new levels on a social level that,

469
00:24:37,350 --> 00:24:40,919
that I nor my, my boys ever would.

470
00:24:41,970 --> 00:24:46,169
How much of your business is that
social media side, the YouTube

471
00:24:46,169 --> 00:24:47,879
and Instagram side of things?

472
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:49,919
Uh, not even.

473
00:24:50,340 --> 00:24:51,600
Not even 1%.

474
00:24:51,750 --> 00:24:53,340
It's, it's a funny thing.

475
00:24:53,850 --> 00:24:55,800
It's the only thing
that gets me notoriety.

476
00:24:56,610 --> 00:25:00,750
99% of my work is word of mouth.

477
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:03,780
And continuing contracts.

478
00:25:03,899 --> 00:25:07,290
So I'll fulfill a, a
contract for one company.

479
00:25:07,530 --> 00:25:09,810
A new company will come in, they'll
just say, how did you do this?

480
00:25:09,810 --> 00:25:10,470
X, Y, Z?

481
00:25:10,470 --> 00:25:11,820
And they're like, well, we used Benetti.

482
00:25:12,419 --> 00:25:15,540
And so they just, you know,
wash and rinse and repeat.

483
00:25:16,020 --> 00:25:16,230
Mm-hmm.

484
00:25:16,230 --> 00:25:16,350
And

485
00:25:16,350 --> 00:25:18,149
so that, that's how we do it.

486
00:25:18,149 --> 00:25:22,110
Well, we started a project a couple
years ago with avalanche control

487
00:25:23,070 --> 00:25:26,669
and avalanche control industry,
you know, has a lot of these, we,

488
00:25:26,669 --> 00:25:28,620
I call 'em snow bros. Guy that Mm.

489
00:25:28,620 --> 00:25:32,790
Snow ski around and throw the charges
and, and they're a fun bunch of folks and

490
00:25:32,790 --> 00:25:34,889
they're usually on the, the younger side.

491
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,669
And so my partner said, look, you need
to get a, a social media presence.

492
00:25:38,970 --> 00:25:41,129
And he's like, I, I've been
hanging out with you for a year.

493
00:25:41,504 --> 00:25:44,325
And he said, uh, I don't
know anybody like you.

494
00:25:44,325 --> 00:25:48,555
He said, you, you drive a tank one day and
you know, you go to your island and you

495
00:25:48,555 --> 00:25:52,245
go to the Caribbean, you know, and then
you go to your West Texas place and then

496
00:25:52,245 --> 00:25:55,905
you're making explosives or machine guns,
and then you're doing stuff with like Mr.

497
00:25:55,905 --> 00:25:56,325
Beast.

498
00:25:56,325 --> 00:25:58,425
He said, it's, it's not
a normal life you have.

499
00:25:58,965 --> 00:26:03,465
Mm. He said, why don't we get you a
social media presence and then, and

500
00:26:03,465 --> 00:26:06,585
then what you can do is you'll get
a return on investment from that.

501
00:26:06,585 --> 00:26:09,794
He said, but then ideally when we
go to these mountains, you'll have a

502
00:26:09,794 --> 00:26:13,635
presence that precedes you and people
will know who you are before we show up.

503
00:26:13,995 --> 00:26:15,165
And I was like, yeah, whatever.

504
00:26:15,465 --> 00:26:19,665
So he found a manager for me
and I pay a monthly, uh, salary

505
00:26:19,665 --> 00:26:21,284
and, and she gave me a phone.

506
00:26:21,284 --> 00:26:26,475
And I just take that phone and,
and it's really like today we have

507
00:26:26,475 --> 00:26:27,975
a truck coming to pick stuff up.

508
00:26:28,635 --> 00:26:33,195
We have, uh, or orders that are needing
to be fulfilled and we have product

509
00:26:33,195 --> 00:26:34,784
that's coming in all in one day.

510
00:26:34,845 --> 00:26:35,205
Right.

511
00:26:37,155 --> 00:26:39,495
So I don't have time to do
a lot of social media stuff.

512
00:26:39,525 --> 00:26:43,485
So what I'll do is I'll just see something
and I'll grab that phone and I'll talk

513
00:26:43,485 --> 00:26:48,255
about it just for a little bit, and then
I'll see a little extra explosive that

514
00:26:48,255 --> 00:26:50,865
I, I might wanna blow up, be like, you
know what, let's make a video with this.

515
00:26:50,865 --> 00:26:54,225
So I'll take it and set it up and
demonstrate something real quick, and

516
00:26:54,225 --> 00:26:58,365
then I go lay that in my lab and it goes
to the cloud and she gets it and edits it

517
00:26:58,365 --> 00:27:00,465
later and I don't think about it again.

518
00:27:00,465 --> 00:27:05,235
Mm. So I am not putting hours and
hours of thought into this stuff.

519
00:27:05,235 --> 00:27:06,765
It is very fast.

520
00:27:07,065 --> 00:27:08,925
It is a pain in the rear.

521
00:27:09,285 --> 00:27:13,755
Uh, but then it happened to blow
up, no pun intended, with, you know,

522
00:27:13,995 --> 00:27:18,315
246,000 followers and you know,
next thing you know, I'm getting

523
00:27:18,315 --> 00:27:20,235
$1,200 to talk about a watch.

524
00:27:20,355 --> 00:27:21,735
So that, I mean, that's pretty cool.

525
00:27:22,185 --> 00:27:22,845
That's not bad.

526
00:27:23,265 --> 00:27:23,865
It's not bad.

527
00:27:24,825 --> 00:27:25,185
Yeah.

528
00:27:26,055 --> 00:27:30,405
So do you find that difficult to talk in
front of the camera and do your thing?

529
00:27:30,405 --> 00:27:31,785
Or is it just gonna come natural for you?

530
00:27:32,790 --> 00:27:33,180
No.

531
00:27:33,180 --> 00:27:35,760
When my, when I was a little kid,
my dad used to set me in front of

532
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,970
a camera on purpose and, and he
would make me talk to the camera.

533
00:27:39,270 --> 00:27:42,570
And, uh, we would have, uh, we'd have
picnics and he would record it and

534
00:27:42,570 --> 00:27:45,540
he would record it for posterity.

535
00:27:45,540 --> 00:27:48,390
You know, he, he would say, Hey,
one day you're gonna be a grown man.

536
00:27:48,780 --> 00:27:50,190
What do you wanna say to yourself?

537
00:27:50,190 --> 00:27:53,460
And so I would talk to myself
as a grown man, as a little kid.

538
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,060
And so little by little, he was always
getting me used to the camera and

539
00:27:57,065 --> 00:27:57,345
mm-hmm.

540
00:27:57,745 --> 00:27:59,520
I, I didn't know it would go anywhere.

541
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,150
I, I didn't really didn't think about
it, you know, it's just that later in

542
00:28:03,150 --> 00:28:05,880
life when the cameras came out, I'm
like, well, I've been here before.

543
00:28:06,660 --> 00:28:07,380
Interesting.

544
00:28:07,830 --> 00:28:09,090
So that's a curious question.

545
00:28:09,150 --> 00:28:12,600
So you were asked to opine on
what you'd wanna say to your

546
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,040
older self as a young kid.

547
00:28:14,670 --> 00:28:16,410
What would you say to your,
your younger self now?

548
00:28:18,390 --> 00:28:19,200
Buckle up.

549
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:22,530
Yeah.

550
00:28:22,530 --> 00:28:24,150
I'd say, uh, I'd say you did it.

551
00:28:24,150 --> 00:28:24,420
You did it.

552
00:28:24,990 --> 00:28:25,470
Yeah.

553
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,790
If, if, if I was talking to my
younger self, I'd say, uh, you did it.

554
00:28:29,790 --> 00:28:31,710
And if I was talking to my older self now.

555
00:28:32,235 --> 00:28:33,510
I say, I hope I'm gonna do it.

556
00:28:33,689 --> 00:28:35,699
You know, different set of goals there.

557
00:28:36,330 --> 00:28:36,810
Yeah.

558
00:28:36,990 --> 00:28:37,169
Yeah.

559
00:28:37,169 --> 00:28:37,919
I guess so.

560
00:28:38,399 --> 00:28:44,189
You know, I gotta imagine that having
a business like yours is going to

561
00:28:44,220 --> 00:28:49,199
come with a heck of a lot of, uh,
regulatory red tape, and it's gonna

562
00:28:49,199 --> 00:28:54,120
have a lot of, uh, a lot of rules
and regulations that you gotta figure

563
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:58,320
out a lot of personalities that you
probably have to deal with like this.

564
00:28:58,409 --> 00:29:00,720
This isn't a business
for the faint of heart.

565
00:29:01,350 --> 00:29:06,179
What were some of the challenges you
had in starting a business like this?

566
00:29:07,770 --> 00:29:13,919
You know, yes, the regulations are
the most difficult part for me.

567
00:29:15,330 --> 00:29:17,580
That being said, the playbook is laid out.

568
00:29:17,939 --> 00:29:22,500
So in, in, for instance, in
Texas, there's no requirement

569
00:29:22,500 --> 00:29:24,030
for a state blaster license.

570
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,915
So the state of Texas looks at you and
goes, Hey, whatever the feds say, I.

571
00:29:28,845 --> 00:29:33,764
As far as the federal government goes,
there's the a TF and they're very plainly

572
00:29:33,764 --> 00:29:37,215
lay out what the rules and regulations
are and what they call the orange book.

573
00:29:38,534 --> 00:29:42,945
And so if you take the time to read
that book and study those rules and

574
00:29:42,945 --> 00:29:47,774
regulations, it, it leaves you a
lot of room to get your job done.

575
00:29:48,375 --> 00:29:50,565
Mm. As long as you meet those parameters.

576
00:29:51,014 --> 00:29:54,554
And I've always seen those
parameters as as very fair actually.

577
00:29:55,215 --> 00:30:01,754
And their inspections, while they
can be a, you know, an inconvenience,

578
00:30:02,235 --> 00:30:06,345
they're not, they're, they're
not anything to worry about.

579
00:30:06,645 --> 00:30:10,905
So long as you're, you know, crossing
your T's and dotting your i's and it

580
00:30:10,905 --> 00:30:12,675
comes down to control your material.

581
00:30:12,940 --> 00:30:13,360
Mm-hmm.

582
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:17,024
Because remember, you
are the explosive expert.

583
00:30:17,294 --> 00:30:21,764
The government is there to regulate
it such that it doesn't become a

584
00:30:21,825 --> 00:30:23,774
hazard to the community at large.

585
00:30:24,570 --> 00:30:29,100
So if you're regulating yourself and
you're doing your due diligence and

586
00:30:29,100 --> 00:30:34,050
you have control of your materials and
you're ensuring that you're not releasing

587
00:30:34,050 --> 00:30:38,760
material to somebody who can't have it
or shouldn't have it, or you have any

588
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:42,300
reason to believe they shouldn't have
it, as long as you're not giving physical

589
00:30:42,300 --> 00:30:47,639
material to someone, uh, you generally
don't have a problem with the A TF.

590
00:30:47,639 --> 00:30:49,050
They come in and do their inspection.

591
00:30:49,500 --> 00:30:50,490
Your books all line up.

592
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:54,030
Obviously everything is controlled
and accounted for, uh, either by

593
00:30:54,030 --> 00:30:58,020
count or weight or length in the
case of debtor and time fuse.

594
00:30:58,770 --> 00:31:05,189
And so as long as you manage all of that,
it really hasn't been the biggest hurdle.

595
00:31:06,030 --> 00:31:11,520
Uh, private businesses that are
too big for their own good tend

596
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:12,929
to be where the biggest hurdle is.

597
00:31:13,274 --> 00:31:13,695
Mm-hmm.

598
00:31:13,919 --> 00:31:20,070
It's, uh, it's companies that are so large
that no one wants to take responsibility.

599
00:31:20,580 --> 00:31:22,320
No one wants to take the chance.

600
00:31:22,875 --> 00:31:24,315
No one will take a risk.

601
00:31:24,465 --> 00:31:27,165
And so they become paralyzed.

602
00:31:27,585 --> 00:31:31,275
And in doing so, they can paralyze you
or even bring you down to your detriment

603
00:31:31,275 --> 00:31:35,775
because, uh, they, they won't move, you
know, because they're gonna get a bonus

604
00:31:35,955 --> 00:31:39,315
and they're gonna have a job next year,
whether this project goes through or not.

605
00:31:39,855 --> 00:31:39,945
Mm-hmm.

606
00:31:39,945 --> 00:31:43,635
But they look at it like, if there's
risk associated and we have a problem,

607
00:31:43,635 --> 00:31:45,705
I might lose my job or not get a bonus.

608
00:31:45,705 --> 00:31:48,465
So it's better to just
do nothing than to move.

609
00:31:48,675 --> 00:31:51,465
But as a small business
owner, that's never an option.

610
00:31:51,885 --> 00:31:54,525
You have to move, you have
to keep moving all the time.

611
00:31:54,825 --> 00:31:57,645
And you have to be comfortable
with calculated risk.

612
00:31:58,065 --> 00:32:04,035
And if, if the risk to reward ratio is
off by too much, then you don't do it.

613
00:32:04,515 --> 00:32:08,955
And if the, if the reward outweighs
the risk and like, Hey, it goes as

614
00:32:08,955 --> 00:32:13,335
bad as it can possibly go and you're
gonna survive, uh, then move on.

615
00:32:13,455 --> 00:32:14,925
You know, you, you will recover.

616
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:21,300
I found that in, in my business
anyways, in the firearms world,

617
00:32:21,390 --> 00:32:25,350
it's probably not too dissimilar
in the States, as in Canada.

618
00:32:25,380 --> 00:32:29,550
Mind you, we've got, we've, we've both
got, depending on what states you're in

619
00:32:29,550 --> 00:32:33,150
and what area you're at, everyone's gonna
have different ideas and different rules.

620
00:32:33,150 --> 00:32:34,740
And Canada, that's done federally, but.

621
00:32:35,580 --> 00:32:40,290
There are a lot of policies that can
be made and you start dealing with

622
00:32:40,290 --> 00:32:42,420
individuals as opposed to actual rules.

623
00:32:42,420 --> 00:32:43,980
The rules are easy, they're cut and dry.

624
00:32:43,980 --> 00:32:48,389
And a industrious individual, there's a
gunsmith around the corner here, and he is

625
00:32:48,389 --> 00:32:52,500
always thought of new ways to comply with
the rules and provide a product to the,

626
00:32:52,860 --> 00:32:58,379
to the public that's rule compliant, but
maybe it's not something that the, uh, the

627
00:32:58,379 --> 00:32:59,940
firearms program wants to see out there.

628
00:32:59,940 --> 00:33:03,810
So he, he finds himself butting
heads all the time, doing the right

629
00:33:03,810 --> 00:33:08,550
thing, pushing business forward,
but still encountering roadblocks.

630
00:33:08,610 --> 00:33:14,730
And then the other one would be, uh,
low beed entry, uh, industries where

631
00:33:14,730 --> 00:33:21,240
people get in and their ambitions will
exceed their ethics and, uh, the, uh,

632
00:33:21,540 --> 00:33:25,170
the sniping and infighting and the
trying to tear someone else's building

633
00:33:25,170 --> 00:33:26,879
down to make their building look larger.

634
00:33:27,210 --> 00:33:30,445
Those are the two areas that I've
found in business that have been.

635
00:33:31,274 --> 00:33:37,544
The biggest challenges, and I had to learn
the difference between being right and,

636
00:33:37,605 --> 00:33:40,669
uh, and winning because, and being rich.

637
00:33:41,470 --> 00:33:42,110
There you go.

638
00:33:42,370 --> 00:33:43,304
How do I win?

639
00:33:43,304 --> 00:33:44,745
How do I get to where I want to be?

640
00:33:44,835 --> 00:33:45,735
I already know I'm right.

641
00:33:45,735 --> 00:33:48,945
I know I'm doing everything properly,
but how do I deal, let's say, with,

642
00:33:49,485 --> 00:33:54,284
uh, a civil servant who has the
ability to tie this all up, maybe

643
00:33:54,284 --> 00:33:58,544
in a similar way that, uh, a private
enterprise has the ability to be risk

644
00:33:58,544 --> 00:34:00,465
adverse and, and tie the things up.

645
00:34:00,465 --> 00:34:04,485
How do I deal with them in a way
where they get the win, I get the win,

646
00:34:04,485 --> 00:34:08,685
and we can move forward without just
being right and be the loser in that,

647
00:34:09,105 --> 00:34:13,665
that that's, that was my large, uh,
growing hurdle that I encountered.

648
00:34:14,415 --> 00:34:19,094
How do you find those wins for yourself
when you reach those, reach those, uh,

649
00:34:19,935 --> 00:34:23,114
I start button heads or those roadblocks
where private industry wants to dig

650
00:34:23,114 --> 00:34:25,455
their heels and be being risk adverse.

651
00:34:26,984 --> 00:34:30,194
Uh, well, I mean, it's, it's, for
me, it's pretty straightforward.

652
00:34:30,194 --> 00:34:34,185
If it's not critical to the mission,
I just say, yes sir, yes ma'am.

653
00:34:34,815 --> 00:34:36,074
And just make a change.

654
00:34:36,134 --> 00:34:42,645
And if it is critical, then uh, we go back
to the black and white and, and usually

655
00:34:42,645 --> 00:34:50,145
it goes up the chain, but there's only
one instance where they said something

656
00:34:50,145 --> 00:34:54,435
and I was like, well, you know, I disagree
with that because I did it by the book.

657
00:34:54,554 --> 00:34:56,984
And so you can't just
arbitrarily say something.

658
00:34:57,404 --> 00:35:02,865
But at the same time, at that time,
it was so far out of my scope that I'm

659
00:35:02,865 --> 00:35:04,335
like, we can come back to this later.

660
00:35:04,725 --> 00:35:08,205
You know, if I need to cross this
bridge at a later date, then I'm gonna

661
00:35:08,325 --> 00:35:12,165
go back to you and I'll pull the book
up and say, please check these numbers

662
00:35:12,165 --> 00:35:18,254
and compare, uh, because I believe that
by your own writing, uh, I'm in this

663
00:35:18,254 --> 00:35:20,325
category versus, you know, this other one.

664
00:35:20,865 --> 00:35:22,395
And, and that's the way I just go at it.

665
00:35:22,395 --> 00:35:23,145
And, but also.

666
00:35:24,180 --> 00:35:30,150
I've made some great contacts in that
industry because, I don't know, I just

667
00:35:32,370 --> 00:35:35,220
used to be very open about what you wanna
do and if you wanna do something you're

668
00:35:35,220 --> 00:35:40,110
not, you're not, uh, used to or it's
something different, uh, reach out first

669
00:35:40,290 --> 00:35:42,330
and say, look, this is what I wanna do.

670
00:35:42,900 --> 00:35:45,330
Tell me how I can do it now.

671
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:51,300
As long as the end goal is what I need,
I, I don't care about the pathway to it.

672
00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:55,440
And I've never really had a time
where they didn't work with me.

673
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:59,250
Now, there may be some laborious ways to
go about it, you know, more work than I

674
00:35:59,250 --> 00:36:01,770
wanted to, but there was always a pathway.

675
00:36:02,250 --> 00:36:06,720
I mean, if I wanted to get an F 16 and
mount some missiles on it and fly it

676
00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:12,660
over my ranch and shoot at a target,
there's a way for that as me, a civilian.

677
00:36:13,170 --> 00:36:17,010
And I know there is, uh, I, I,
I already have the licenses.

678
00:36:17,010 --> 00:36:19,620
I have the same license
that Boeing has or Raytheon.

679
00:36:20,295 --> 00:36:24,735
And those are private industries,
so it may be public traded, but, but

680
00:36:24,735 --> 00:36:28,154
a lot of these defense contractors,
they're private and they're making

681
00:36:28,154 --> 00:36:30,945
ordinance, they're making the
stuff that's going to the military.

682
00:36:30,945 --> 00:36:36,855
So I also am a company with the
same licensing and the same ability.

683
00:36:37,395 --> 00:36:39,735
And so there's no reason
I can't do it too.

684
00:36:40,305 --> 00:36:43,275
Uh, but I have to, for
me, it has to make sense.

685
00:36:43,275 --> 00:36:44,805
Like, why would I wanna do this?

686
00:36:44,805 --> 00:36:46,305
Why am I making money doing this?

687
00:36:46,305 --> 00:36:49,725
And if I'm making money and it's a
legitimate, then we'll find a way there.

688
00:36:49,725 --> 00:36:52,904
And that's, it is talk to a
very, very open communication.

689
00:36:52,904 --> 00:36:53,654
That's my answer.

690
00:36:54,345 --> 00:36:58,875
So during all of this, it's become
extremely apparent to me that I'm

691
00:36:58,875 --> 00:37:03,585
operating business in the wrong country,
because that idea of being able to

692
00:37:03,585 --> 00:37:09,885
reach out and ask the, the regulatory
body, which is there to make sure that

693
00:37:09,885 --> 00:37:13,845
you're meeting the regulations and,
you know, what's the path forward?

694
00:37:13,845 --> 00:37:16,485
Here's what I want to do, what
do I have to proceed with?

695
00:37:16,875 --> 00:37:21,135
Uh, it doesn't really exist in a,
in a similar fashion in Canada.

696
00:37:21,555 --> 00:37:25,785
It's, uh, it's a real, uh, chicken and
the egg sort of argument that happens.

697
00:37:25,815 --> 00:37:28,575
They say, well, first you have to
show us the contracts that you have

698
00:37:28,575 --> 00:37:31,515
in place, and then we'll tell you
if they're, uh, they're permissible.

699
00:37:31,785 --> 00:37:35,504
And I'm, I'm just going back
to actual correspondence that

700
00:37:35,504 --> 00:37:36,975
I've had back and forth before.

701
00:37:37,245 --> 00:37:38,205
I said, hold on a second.

702
00:37:38,355 --> 00:37:42,524
You're asking me to get into legally
binding contracts to do something that

703
00:37:42,524 --> 00:37:44,714
I'm otherwise not legally allowed to do.

704
00:37:44,835 --> 00:37:45,855
Like, that's entrapment.

705
00:37:45,915 --> 00:37:46,814
You can't do that.

706
00:37:46,814 --> 00:37:47,145
Right?

707
00:37:47,685 --> 00:37:51,705
All of a sudden, communication slowed
down and then the lawyers are involved

708
00:37:51,705 --> 00:37:56,835
and, but it's, um, uh, it's a very
different culture here in Canada.

709
00:37:56,895 --> 00:38:01,214
And I'm thinking that, uh, uh, I think
I'm having a little bit of a light

710
00:38:01,214 --> 00:38:03,015
bulb moment as we're talking right now.

711
00:38:03,015 --> 00:38:04,095
So interesting.

712
00:38:04,154 --> 00:38:05,745
I like the, I like that approach.

713
00:38:06,645 --> 00:38:10,125
Well, either the government is there
to serve the people or the people

714
00:38:10,125 --> 00:38:11,294
are there to serve the government.

715
00:38:13,125 --> 00:38:18,615
I mean, the, the government is there
to, uh, to assist you as a free

716
00:38:18,615 --> 00:38:21,285
citizen to conduct your business.

717
00:38:21,794 --> 00:38:24,944
And so you're not going
and asking permission.

718
00:38:25,335 --> 00:38:27,435
You're going and saying,
look, this is my goal.

719
00:38:27,495 --> 00:38:28,455
This is what I want to do.

720
00:38:28,455 --> 00:38:30,645
How do I do it within the
parameters of the law?

721
00:38:31,590 --> 00:38:32,820
Their job is to assist you.

722
00:38:32,820 --> 00:38:35,820
I mean, they even tell me, the
the inspectors I have are great.

723
00:38:36,180 --> 00:38:37,320
They tell me all the time.

724
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:38,280
They're like, we work for you.

725
00:38:38,700 --> 00:38:42,510
We're here to help you get done
what you need to get done, uh,

726
00:38:42,510 --> 00:38:43,980
and make sure it's legal and safe.

727
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:45,630
That makes sense.

728
00:38:45,870 --> 00:38:46,950
That totally makes sense.

729
00:38:46,950 --> 00:38:48,390
Everyone's on the same song sheet.

730
00:38:48,750 --> 00:38:51,180
You're educated, you're doing
things the way they want to,

731
00:38:51,180 --> 00:38:52,950
you're doing things properly.

732
00:38:52,950 --> 00:38:53,910
Ev everyone's happy.

733
00:38:53,940 --> 00:38:54,210
Right?

734
00:38:54,210 --> 00:38:55,710
They're doing things well by you.

735
00:38:56,340 --> 00:38:56,550
Yeah.

736
00:38:56,550 --> 00:39:01,080
We've got a, we have a system
of denial by, um, lack of.

737
00:39:01,815 --> 00:39:05,595
Refusal in Canada, we're not refusing
you, we're just not gonna do it.

738
00:39:05,985 --> 00:39:11,745
And so your recourse on that then is not
to, you go through a reference hearing.

739
00:39:12,015 --> 00:39:15,765
I remember I was involved with one,
it was on a, uh, type 97, a firearm,

740
00:39:15,795 --> 00:39:19,335
and I was asked to be a subject
matter expert because this company

741
00:39:19,335 --> 00:39:21,435
was importing these guns into Canada.

742
00:39:21,525 --> 00:39:25,455
And the firearms program said,
no, we can't have these here.

743
00:39:25,485 --> 00:39:29,235
Those are gonna be illegal because
they're too easy to make full auto.

744
00:39:29,235 --> 00:39:32,415
And we apply the hassle wander case
to it and a and a couple others.

745
00:39:32,775 --> 00:39:37,005
So I was called in to look at this
gun and opine as to how easy or

746
00:39:37,005 --> 00:39:38,655
hard it was to make it go full auto.

747
00:39:39,075 --> 00:39:42,075
So I'd never seen one before
and I get my hands on it.

748
00:39:42,075 --> 00:39:48,165
The police give me a, a, um, access
to one and I mean, I'm there as a

749
00:39:48,165 --> 00:39:51,225
subject matter expert for the courts,
not for one side or the other.

750
00:39:51,225 --> 00:39:55,215
Despite who's paying you, you're there to
give your honest impression to the courts.

751
00:39:55,215 --> 00:39:58,785
And my honest impression was it's really
damn easy to make it go full auto.

752
00:39:59,205 --> 00:40:01,335
And, um, so.

753
00:40:01,770 --> 00:40:05,759
It real, all it required was a,
a screwdriver in one spot that

754
00:40:05,759 --> 00:40:09,359
looked like it was specially put
there to make a go fall auto.

755
00:40:09,359 --> 00:40:11,250
And you just give a flick
and the thing goes right.

756
00:40:11,250 --> 00:40:15,120
And almost as if it was designed to
be that way, really, really easy.

757
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:16,859
Met all of the requirements, all the rest.

758
00:40:16,859 --> 00:40:20,879
Anyways, uh, it go through this
hearing and I give my two bits.

759
00:40:20,879 --> 00:40:22,709
I was the first guy to give information.

760
00:40:22,799 --> 00:40:26,430
The, um, Murray the other fellow
goes up and gives his, he was

761
00:40:26,430 --> 00:40:28,890
crown's, um, expert witness.

762
00:40:29,459 --> 00:40:32,910
And in my opinion, what's the, uh,
nice legal way of saying, entirely

763
00:40:32,910 --> 00:40:37,049
misrepresented the truth when he was
up there and he didn't need to, had

764
00:40:37,049 --> 00:40:40,140
he been privy to seeing my testimony?

765
00:40:40,169 --> 00:40:42,000
'cause he had just said, oh
yeah, what Trav said, right?

766
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,990
I came up with this whole song and
dance and I'm like, oh man, I mean,

767
00:40:45,990 --> 00:40:49,740
this guy's gonna get called down for
sure, for, for lying his face off.

768
00:40:50,250 --> 00:40:53,459
And what I learned at the end of
it, it really didn't matter if.

769
00:40:53,895 --> 00:40:55,904
What, who was right or who was wrong.

770
00:40:56,295 --> 00:41:01,065
The only recourse that the business had
in all of this was this reference hearing,

771
00:41:01,365 --> 00:41:07,365
which analyzed whether the right steps
were taken, uh, to arrive at the decision.

772
00:41:07,395 --> 00:41:09,404
The decision could be erroneous.

773
00:41:09,435 --> 00:41:13,004
But if you follow step one, step two,
step three, and you came to a completely

774
00:41:13,004 --> 00:41:14,685
erroneous decision, that's okay.

775
00:41:14,685 --> 00:41:17,865
That erroneous decision stands
'cause a legal recourse didn't

776
00:41:17,865 --> 00:41:19,875
allow to challenge the decision.

777
00:41:20,145 --> 00:41:23,205
The legal recourse is, allows
you to challenge, did you follow

778
00:41:23,205 --> 00:41:24,734
the steps to arrive at it?

779
00:41:25,004 --> 00:41:28,785
So it was a massive eye-opener and
it, in Canada, that's how I've seen,

780
00:41:29,475 --> 00:41:34,875
uh, a lot of these policies being
enacted as if their law, as if their

781
00:41:34,875 --> 00:41:39,825
regulation and, uh, people say, well,
I'm gonna get a lawyer and challenge it.

782
00:41:39,825 --> 00:41:43,575
And that's the wrong approach because
all you do is you start setting bad

783
00:41:43,575 --> 00:41:47,924
precedent and sure enough, they will have
followed the right steps regardless of

784
00:41:48,315 --> 00:41:49,605
whatever the decision they arrive at.

785
00:41:49,605 --> 00:41:52,125
So it's a very, it's a different
culture here in Canada.

786
00:41:53,325 --> 00:41:53,565
Yeah.

787
00:41:53,565 --> 00:41:54,345
Sounds like it.

788
00:41:55,725 --> 00:41:56,280
That's my ramp cross.

789
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:56,565
I drove

790
00:41:56,565 --> 00:41:57,225
through once.

791
00:41:59,955 --> 00:42:01,965
Yeah, that's, you drove
through once, did you?

792
00:42:02,910 --> 00:42:03,200
Yeah.

793
00:42:03,205 --> 00:42:03,585
Yeah.

794
00:42:03,585 --> 00:42:06,165
I drove, uh, from here
to Anchorage, Alaska.

795
00:42:06,735 --> 00:42:07,185
Okay.

796
00:42:07,185 --> 00:42:10,995
And, uh, yeah, it was a pretty
good haul and yeah, went through

797
00:42:11,025 --> 00:42:13,545
Calgary and then on the Alcan Road.

798
00:42:14,265 --> 00:42:17,895
And it's interesting, I, I, at the
entrance coming in, my kids were

799
00:42:17,895 --> 00:42:24,195
laughing because there's a sign that
says, you know, no firearms, no BB guns,

800
00:42:24,555 --> 00:42:26,445
no slingshots or something like that.

801
00:42:26,445 --> 00:42:28,455
My kids are just rolling laughing.

802
00:42:28,785 --> 00:42:29,205
I mean, no key

803
00:42:29,205 --> 00:42:29,775
shooters.

804
00:42:30,765 --> 00:42:31,335
Yeah.

805
00:42:31,395 --> 00:42:35,595
I mean, my kid, the arsenal that my kids
get to play with, and then they look and

806
00:42:35,595 --> 00:42:37,095
they're like, you can't have a slingshot.

807
00:42:38,070 --> 00:42:38,360
Yeah.

808
00:42:40,425 --> 00:42:40,615
And then, yeah.

809
00:42:41,925 --> 00:42:46,575
What was the other thing it was, oh,
when we got up to the Yukon territory?

810
00:42:46,935 --> 00:42:47,055
Yeah.

811
00:42:48,105 --> 00:42:52,275
Uh, I stopped, we went through,
uh, Whitefish and then.

812
00:42:53,250 --> 00:42:56,100
I saw, I saw a gun shop there actually,
and it was pretty well stocked.

813
00:42:56,100 --> 00:42:59,130
This was several years ago,
but, uh, I was impressed.

814
00:42:59,190 --> 00:43:06,600
And then I was talking to somebody and
he said that you guys in, in rural areas

815
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,220
like that, y'all have Mounties, right?

816
00:43:09,285 --> 00:43:10,380
Yeah, yeah, we do.

817
00:43:10,650 --> 00:43:10,890
Yeah.

818
00:43:10,890 --> 00:43:15,120
So Mounties are the ones that in,
they're like a sheriff or they

819
00:43:15,210 --> 00:43:16,470
do, they they enforce the law.

820
00:43:16,470 --> 00:43:18,780
They're like the, the top of
the line, or what are they?

821
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,420
Yeah, they're, they're like
the federal police force.

822
00:43:21,540 --> 00:43:26,220
So they're the ones that are, it's
one federal, although they'll run

823
00:43:26,220 --> 00:43:27,780
provincially in different areas.

824
00:43:27,785 --> 00:43:30,900
They're, they're like your FBI, I guess.

825
00:43:32,085 --> 00:43:32,625
Okay.

826
00:43:32,715 --> 00:43:35,805
Well, he said that, you know,
they had all these rules that

827
00:43:35,805 --> 00:43:36,915
were choking 'em out out there.

828
00:43:36,915 --> 00:43:39,045
And I said, man, you live
in the middle of nowhere.

829
00:43:39,165 --> 00:43:41,205
I said, why do you have
any gun laws at all?

830
00:43:41,265 --> 00:43:44,325
I said, you guys are in the most
remote place I've ever been.

831
00:43:44,895 --> 00:43:48,675
I said, you could have a full auto 50 cal
out here and nobody would be the wiser.

832
00:43:48,675 --> 00:43:49,575
Like it doesn't matter.

833
00:43:49,965 --> 00:43:50,025
Hmm.

834
00:43:50,025 --> 00:43:50,325
And

835
00:43:50,325 --> 00:43:54,765
he said that, uh, because the laws
aren't made locally, you know, here

836
00:43:54,765 --> 00:44:00,015
we have a sheriff and our sheriff has
the ability to trump anything else.

837
00:44:00,585 --> 00:44:01,575
And so

838
00:44:01,755 --> 00:44:05,475
if something comes down and it's unjust
and it doesn't work for your local

839
00:44:05,475 --> 00:44:09,765
people where, you know, you govern each
other, uh, the sheriff has a lot more

840
00:44:09,765 --> 00:44:11,535
authority than people are aware of.

841
00:44:12,015 --> 00:44:15,375
And I like that system because
what a law you make for Chicago

842
00:44:16,335 --> 00:44:18,135
is not gonna work for us out here.

843
00:44:18,495 --> 00:44:21,645
And, and a law that we make over here
is not gonna work for them over there.

844
00:44:21,645 --> 00:44:22,095
I get it.

845
00:44:22,095 --> 00:44:27,615
It's different, but it's not, it's
not wise to do a blanket law for

846
00:44:27,615 --> 00:44:29,895
a land as vast as yours or mine.

847
00:44:30,390 --> 00:44:33,330
And expect that it's gonna
land the same way in every area

848
00:44:33,330 --> 00:44:35,100
because we're not the same at all.

849
00:44:36,420 --> 00:44:36,780
Yeah.

850
00:44:36,780 --> 00:44:38,850
That, that sounds like common sense to me.

851
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,790
And, uh, I mean, I'm the choir here.

852
00:44:41,790 --> 00:44:42,660
You're preaching to it.

853
00:44:42,660 --> 00:44:47,670
I, I, I gotta wonder what the path forward
for us, if there is one that's available.

854
00:44:47,850 --> 00:44:52,020
I know Alberta's making some rumblings
right now, and, uh, I think, uh, Trump's

855
00:44:52,020 --> 00:44:56,640
made a couple offers about a 51st state,
but, uh, I don't know what the, uh,

856
00:44:56,700 --> 00:44:58,650
the true path forward for Canada is.

857
00:44:58,650 --> 00:45:03,360
But yeah, there's um, there's
some challenges for sure,

858
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:08,640
Rob, probably, I think a more locally
controlled government where the people

859
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:13,530
you're, you're dealing with know you,
because there's a lot to be said for that.

860
00:45:13,530 --> 00:45:13,650
Yeah.

861
00:45:13,770 --> 00:45:16,500
When you're in these smaller
communities and, and your law

862
00:45:16,500 --> 00:45:19,530
enforcement and everybody around
knows exactly who you are.

863
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:20,850
Um.

864
00:45:21,645 --> 00:45:25,935
That you, to me, that's the best way
to govern when you know your community

865
00:45:26,145 --> 00:45:31,545
versus just this blind assumption
of the way people are, versus my

866
00:45:31,545 --> 00:45:35,595
grandmother grew up with his grandmother
and we know them and they want to

867
00:45:35,595 --> 00:45:40,605
do this, uh, still, or they want to
start in a powder plant or whatever.

868
00:45:40,845 --> 00:45:40,935
Mm-hmm.

869
00:45:41,175 --> 00:45:41,715
Okay.

870
00:45:42,045 --> 00:45:42,855
I know them.

871
00:45:42,855 --> 00:45:44,145
I trust them, number one.

872
00:45:44,415 --> 00:45:47,235
And then number two, what, where
are your safety parameters?

873
00:45:47,325 --> 00:45:49,185
Uh, what laws are you gonna wanna follow?

874
00:45:49,185 --> 00:45:51,765
You know, what are we following
here to give this some guidance?

875
00:45:51,765 --> 00:45:53,835
I'm not saying it should
be the wild, wild West.

876
00:45:54,345 --> 00:45:59,655
What I'm saying is, is that it should have
a more human approach to it, as opposed

877
00:45:59,655 --> 00:46:04,575
to this just blanket deal that just
doesn't work on, on lands as vast as ours.

878
00:46:05,475 --> 00:46:05,895
Amen.

879
00:46:05,895 --> 00:46:06,255
Brother.

880
00:46:06,735 --> 00:46:08,085
I'm, I'm with you on that one.

881
00:46:08,175 --> 00:46:11,145
I, um, I'd love to see
that implemented in Canada.

882
00:46:13,275 --> 00:46:17,295
I, we'll, we'll see what, uh,
we'll see what the future holds.

883
00:46:18,045 --> 00:46:20,775
I, I got a, um, off the politics side.

884
00:46:20,835 --> 00:46:21,944
I got two questions.

885
00:46:21,975 --> 00:46:25,185
One, Benetti, where did
that word come from?

886
00:46:27,105 --> 00:46:28,424
Well, that's, that's my real name.

887
00:46:28,424 --> 00:46:28,455
Okay.

888
00:46:28,904 --> 00:46:31,904
So my, uh, my grandfather is Fred Rico.

889
00:46:31,904 --> 00:46:32,805
Vinno.

890
00:46:33,105 --> 00:46:33,375
Benetti.

891
00:46:33,375 --> 00:46:33,385
Okay.

892
00:46:33,385 --> 00:46:36,194
And then he changed it in
the thirties to Barnett.

893
00:46:36,884 --> 00:46:37,275
Okay.

894
00:46:37,725 --> 00:46:42,045
Uh, and then the other one was, uh, Reio.

895
00:46:42,075 --> 00:46:42,525
Was it

896
00:46:43,365 --> 00:46:44,205
Impresario?

897
00:46:44,355 --> 00:46:45,645
Impresario.

898
00:46:45,674 --> 00:46:46,095
There you go.

899
00:46:46,095 --> 00:46:49,335
That's my dyslexia and a DHC kicking
in when I read stuff too quickly.

900
00:46:49,755 --> 00:46:50,595
Impresario.

901
00:46:50,595 --> 00:46:51,884
Can you tell me about that?

902
00:46:53,145 --> 00:46:58,125
Yeah, that's, uh, so when I started
my, my ranch out in West Texas, I

903
00:46:58,125 --> 00:47:03,435
wanted to do a leadership camp out
there, and I wanted it to be, I looked

904
00:47:03,435 --> 00:47:06,045
up the word entrepreneur in Italian.

905
00:47:06,435 --> 00:47:06,795
Hmm.

906
00:47:06,799 --> 00:47:09,194
And, and it's impresario with an eye.

907
00:47:09,795 --> 00:47:16,904
Now impresario with an e is a Spanish word
for a landowner who, who acquires massive

908
00:47:16,904 --> 00:47:18,944
amounts of land and then sells them off.

909
00:47:18,944 --> 00:47:22,694
And so in the early days of Texas, back
when it was belong, when it belonged

910
00:47:22,694 --> 00:47:27,555
to Mexico, we had impresarios down
here and they would acquire large,

911
00:47:27,615 --> 00:47:31,815
vast sections of land and they would
sell it off to these settlers that were

912
00:47:31,815 --> 00:47:33,975
coming in to settle that area of Texas.

913
00:47:34,935 --> 00:47:39,975
But I like the Italian word because
it's too, it's, it's a per, it's the

914
00:47:40,185 --> 00:47:45,645
organizer of a performance and it's
with an I and it's the Italian word.

915
00:47:45,915 --> 00:47:52,605
And so everything about that camp from
the insignia, the symbols, the emblems,

916
00:47:52,815 --> 00:47:56,265
every single thing about it has a meaning.

917
00:47:57,045 --> 00:48:01,845
And the whole idea was, is that you are
the performance master of your life.

918
00:48:01,904 --> 00:48:04,484
You are the impresario of your story.

919
00:48:04,484 --> 00:48:06,049
And so that's why I named it that.

920
00:48:07,650 --> 00:48:11,040
That's a bit of a difference from
working in the energetics industry

921
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:14,759
to leadership and, uh, motivation.

922
00:48:14,759 --> 00:48:19,920
And the, that's, uh, what, what made
I, I, and I see how you can bridge the

923
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:21,750
two of them, but what sparked that?

924
00:48:25,020 --> 00:48:30,150
Well, I enjoy blowing things up.

925
00:48:31,049 --> 00:48:31,110
Yeah.

926
00:48:31,110 --> 00:48:33,150
See if there's somebody
coming up the steps here.

927
00:48:33,415 --> 00:48:36,390
I, I don't, the door's not opening,
so I don't know, but I heard 'em.

928
00:48:36,690 --> 00:48:44,040
Um, I enjoy blowing things up, but I
enjoy working with people a lot as well.

929
00:48:44,100 --> 00:48:47,130
And actually once it seems
to come really natural.

930
00:48:47,910 --> 00:48:51,420
And so I asked somebody, I
said, what, what do I do?

931
00:48:51,420 --> 00:48:51,930
Well?

932
00:48:52,799 --> 00:48:58,440
And as far as I can tell, the
only thing that I do well is

933
00:49:00,060 --> 00:49:03,060
motivate and encourage people.

934
00:49:03,720 --> 00:49:04,020
Hmm.

935
00:49:04,110 --> 00:49:06,060
I, I don't think I'm a great chemist.

936
00:49:06,915 --> 00:49:12,795
Uh, the world of explosives is
so vast that, you know, I, I'm

937
00:49:12,795 --> 00:49:17,355
fascinated by it, but I am by no means
a master of all things explosive.

938
00:49:18,585 --> 00:49:26,174
My business has done good, but I'm
not, uh, I'm not Jeff Bezos, you

939
00:49:26,174 --> 00:49:30,285
know, so what am I really good at?

940
00:49:30,285 --> 00:49:37,095
And I, I know that I've learned to
listen to people and I've been able to

941
00:49:37,095 --> 00:49:42,255
ref take what they're saying and then
put it back to 'em in a, in a gentle

942
00:49:42,255 --> 00:49:46,665
way, such that they don't see it as an
attack, but it's information they can

943
00:49:46,665 --> 00:49:48,645
use to make their, their lives better.

944
00:49:49,694 --> 00:49:49,875
Huh.

945
00:49:50,654 --> 00:49:52,335
Have you, have you run many of these?

946
00:49:53,895 --> 00:49:56,714
I ran one for a defense contractor, but.

947
00:49:57,980 --> 00:50:01,605
I didn't know how to pitch it, so it
was like a leadership camp, you know?

948
00:50:01,965 --> 00:50:02,175
Hmm.

949
00:50:02,235 --> 00:50:05,595
And then I ended up talking about
chasing your dreams and their head guy

950
00:50:05,595 --> 00:50:07,155
quit and went and started a company.

951
00:50:07,935 --> 00:50:12,225
And then one of my employees, one of my
employees then left to go work for his

952
00:50:12,225 --> 00:50:13,815
company, which we're all still friends.

953
00:50:13,815 --> 00:50:19,155
Like it was an, but you know, it's
kind of like no big company is gonna

954
00:50:19,155 --> 00:50:24,135
send their people to me when I tell
them that the clock is ticking and the

955
00:50:24,135 --> 00:50:25,695
sun will set on their life one day.

956
00:50:26,955 --> 00:50:28,455
What do you want your legacy to be?

957
00:50:28,455 --> 00:50:30,855
And it's not gonna be sitting
in traffic to go to the office.

958
00:50:31,185 --> 00:50:33,585
On the other hand, the people that
need to hear that message can't

959
00:50:33,585 --> 00:50:35,205
afford the kind of class I put on.

960
00:50:35,205 --> 00:50:37,665
I had four ex-military instructors.

961
00:50:37,665 --> 00:50:39,795
I had 18 wheelers bring
our army tank out there.

962
00:50:39,795 --> 00:50:44,295
I mean, we're talking $10,000
per head cost to this.

963
00:50:44,535 --> 00:50:44,805
Sure.

964
00:50:44,865 --> 00:50:47,265
And, and a lot of times the people
that need that message, they

965
00:50:47,265 --> 00:50:48,525
don't have the money for that.

966
00:50:48,825 --> 00:50:54,525
So what we've started to run out there
have been, uh, ladies retreats and, uh.

967
00:50:55,515 --> 00:50:57,134
Light in corporate events.

968
00:50:57,315 --> 00:51:00,464
And anytime I get a chance
to give a talk, I do.

969
00:51:01,095 --> 00:51:05,265
And I'm hoping that through my social
media presence, that a spinoff of that

970
00:51:05,265 --> 00:51:08,355
is more entities coming to me saying,
Hey, we wanna do an event out there.

971
00:51:08,355 --> 00:51:12,464
We want you to be a guest speaker and
bring out some other speakers and,

972
00:51:12,915 --> 00:51:14,085
you know, let's have a good time.

973
00:51:14,085 --> 00:51:16,484
But, you know, don't
run off our employees.

974
00:51:16,484 --> 00:51:19,935
I'm sure it's just, it's
just an odd thing, you know?

975
00:51:19,935 --> 00:51:25,845
It's like if you walk into the factory
and you have a hundred factory workers and

976
00:51:25,845 --> 00:51:30,435
you tell 'em why they could be doing more,
all your factory workers are gonna leave.

977
00:51:30,765 --> 00:51:31,004
Sure.

978
00:51:31,004 --> 00:51:32,185
So nobody's gonna send them to me.

979
00:51:32,399 --> 00:51:33,555
So, I don't know.

980
00:51:33,615 --> 00:51:34,305
I, I don't know.

981
00:51:34,305 --> 00:51:39,075
But here I am and wherever I get
called to go, that's where I'll ride.

982
00:51:39,915 --> 00:51:40,605
Interesting.

983
00:51:40,904 --> 00:51:41,085
Yeah.

984
00:51:41,085 --> 00:51:43,964
Maybe it's not the corporations that
should be footing the bill for this.

985
00:51:44,024 --> 00:51:47,085
Maybe it's like the, uh, the Tony
Robbins approach where he charges

986
00:51:47,085 --> 00:51:48,585
an arm and a leg for people to come.

987
00:51:49,470 --> 00:51:51,509
And he says, I don't need the money.

988
00:51:51,540 --> 00:51:52,650
I only charge that much money.

989
00:51:52,650 --> 00:51:55,620
Just to know that they're gonna be serious
and they're gonna actually, yeah, they're

990
00:51:55,620 --> 00:52:00,359
not wasting my time and they're going to,
they're gonna do something and, uh, yeah.

991
00:52:00,359 --> 00:52:04,500
May, maybe that's, uh, more the
approach, but I, I'm sure he probably

992
00:52:04,500 --> 00:52:06,029
has some of the same hurdles as well.

993
00:52:06,029 --> 00:52:06,240
Yeah.

994
00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:10,410
You can be anything you wanna be,
and really people can within, within

995
00:52:10,410 --> 00:52:15,359
reasons, geography, ability, in
intellect, uh, physicality, all the rest.

996
00:52:15,359 --> 00:52:20,430
There are gonna be some limiters on there,
but, uh, an ent, an industrious individual

997
00:52:20,430 --> 00:52:22,475
will be able to find ways to, uh, oh yeah.

998
00:52:22,475 --> 00:52:23,310
To overcome that.

999
00:52:24,060 --> 00:52:24,540
Um, oh yeah.

1000
00:52:25,170 --> 00:52:29,549
So I, I'm guessing you spent some
time thinking about what your

1001
00:52:29,549 --> 00:52:32,040
legacy, what you want that to be.

1002
00:52:34,049 --> 00:52:34,500
Yeah.

1003
00:52:34,500 --> 00:52:37,440
It, well, my legacy is,
is gonna be my children.

1004
00:52:38,694 --> 00:52:38,984
Yeah.

1005
00:52:40,290 --> 00:52:43,589
I mean, they're, they're not,
they're not just potatoes.

1006
00:52:44,069 --> 00:52:45,630
Those guys are movers and shakers.

1007
00:52:45,630 --> 00:52:48,450
So my company exists
today because I exist.

1008
00:52:49,095 --> 00:52:51,855
There are problems being solved
today because I was a little

1009
00:52:51,855 --> 00:52:53,355
boy that wanted to do this.

1010
00:52:53,625 --> 00:52:53,865
Hmm.

1011
00:52:53,895 --> 00:52:58,575
There are people whose lives
have been possibly saved and, and

1012
00:52:58,575 --> 00:53:01,215
possibly some that have been taken.

1013
00:53:01,515 --> 00:53:05,835
You know, because, because I exist,
I, I all, I am as a player on a

1014
00:53:05,835 --> 00:53:11,505
stage of life and my play part has
left its mark and it looks like

1015
00:53:11,505 --> 00:53:13,155
it's gonna continue to leave a mark.

1016
00:53:13,635 --> 00:53:17,595
But the greatest contribution will be
children that are that love and are

1017
00:53:17,595 --> 00:53:20,805
conscientious, that, that take that torch.

1018
00:53:20,805 --> 00:53:24,105
And it may, it may move completely
away from the world of energetics.

1019
00:53:24,105 --> 00:53:28,695
It may go into aviation of the arts
or engineering with Max, I don't know.

1020
00:53:29,355 --> 00:53:34,155
But to love your children is like
putting money in a bank, and the

1021
00:53:34,155 --> 00:53:36,790
generation after me is the one
that'll receive the dividend.

1022
00:53:39,900 --> 00:53:42,450
You know, a lot of people say that.

1023
00:53:42,510 --> 00:53:45,390
A lot of people say, well,
you know, it's my kids.

1024
00:53:45,390 --> 00:53:46,260
They're my generation.

1025
00:53:46,260 --> 00:53:48,810
But not a lot of people
put that effort in.

1026
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:49,770
That's required.

1027
00:53:49,890 --> 00:53:53,040
You homeschool, you and your wife,
you homeschool your kids, don't you?

1028
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:54,960
Yeah, we do.

1029
00:53:55,110 --> 00:53:59,160
We, we homeschool, but also we have a
very real relationship with our children.

1030
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:05,310
It's not the, so I don't have a schedule,
do I make time to be with my kids?

1031
00:54:05,550 --> 00:54:05,790
Hmm.

1032
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:11,250
My kids are always with me and
the kids were born into a life

1033
00:54:11,250 --> 00:54:14,850
in motion already, so life didn't
stop and revolve around them.

1034
00:54:15,990 --> 00:54:19,560
They're like little ticks stuck
on the side while we're in motion.

1035
00:54:20,370 --> 00:54:21,570
And so that's the difference.

1036
00:54:21,570 --> 00:54:26,400
The relationship that I'm building with
them is already as if they're adults.

1037
00:54:26,700 --> 00:54:28,110
They're just small right now.

1038
00:54:28,170 --> 00:54:32,520
So when I'm going to the demo range and my
four year old's butt naked, I'll grab his

1039
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:36,900
little butt and throw him in the truck and
you know, I'll let him steer and we talk.

1040
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:42,510
And he gets to watch stuff blow up and
he knows that's what dad does and he's

1041
00:54:42,510 --> 00:54:46,170
already, it's just becoming a way of life.

1042
00:54:46,170 --> 00:54:46,620
You know?

1043
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:52,290
You, you think back or you think about
now, you know, firearm safety, let's

1044
00:54:52,290 --> 00:54:55,290
say there's a lot of families out there.

1045
00:54:55,290 --> 00:54:57,360
There's no way in hell they
should have a firearm out.

1046
00:54:57,420 --> 00:54:58,650
You know, where the kid could reach it.

1047
00:54:58,650 --> 00:54:59,070
I get it.

1048
00:54:59,070 --> 00:55:00,270
I understand that reasoning.

1049
00:55:01,260 --> 00:55:03,510
But let's go way back
to the frontier days.

1050
00:55:03,630 --> 00:55:05,940
The rifle stayed locked
right over the door.

1051
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:09,870
And if dad was gone from home, the
oldest son knew that I might have to

1052
00:55:09,870 --> 00:55:11,520
grab that to defend the household.

1053
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:11,970
Mm-hmm.

1054
00:55:12,210 --> 00:55:12,420
And

1055
00:55:12,420 --> 00:55:17,160
everybody walked by that rifle every
day and the wife knew how to shoot it.

1056
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,380
Everybody knew how to shoot that
gun as soon as they could hold

1057
00:55:19,380 --> 00:55:20,490
it, they were taught to use it.

1058
00:55:20,490 --> 00:55:20,850
Right.

1059
00:55:21,870 --> 00:55:23,880
So that's the way I've been
brazing my children up.

1060
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:23,970
Mm-hmm.

1061
00:55:24,210 --> 00:55:28,680
Like, it's interesting, if they want
to shoot, they know, all they have to

1062
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:31,560
do is ask their father, we're gonna
make time and go shoot the guns.

1063
00:55:32,430 --> 00:55:36,345
They don't wanna sneak around
and go sneak up to them.

1064
00:55:37,154 --> 00:55:40,125
They're, they're a tool,
they're a part of life.

1065
00:55:40,125 --> 00:55:41,504
It's like electrical sockets.

1066
00:55:41,504 --> 00:55:41,595
Mm-hmm.

1067
00:55:41,774 --> 00:55:43,334
They know not to stick forks in them.

1068
00:55:43,334 --> 00:55:43,424
Mm-hmm.

1069
00:55:43,995 --> 00:55:45,165
And they're there, but
they're all over your

1070
00:55:45,165 --> 00:55:45,674
house.

1071
00:55:45,765 --> 00:55:46,095
Yeah.

1072
00:55:46,185 --> 00:55:47,265
All over the house.

1073
00:55:47,504 --> 00:55:50,865
And we teach kids to drive cars
and the only thing separating you

1074
00:55:51,254 --> 00:55:54,705
and another car at 70 miles an
hour in your face is a yellow line.

1075
00:55:54,794 --> 00:55:55,904
And you paying attention.

1076
00:55:56,205 --> 00:55:56,475
Yeah.

1077
00:55:56,504 --> 00:55:57,134
So, yeah.

1078
00:55:57,134 --> 00:56:00,884
Pretty damn sure that we can teach kids
about firearms and live harmoniously.

1079
00:56:00,884 --> 00:56:01,935
We, we have forever.

1080
00:56:02,265 --> 00:56:02,354
Mm-hmm.

1081
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:04,064
Are, are there gonna be exact accidents?

1082
00:56:04,125 --> 00:56:04,665
Yes.

1083
00:56:05,654 --> 00:56:06,794
People are gonna have car accidents.

1084
00:56:06,794 --> 00:56:09,075
People are gonna get electrocuted
and people are gonna get shot.

1085
00:56:09,765 --> 00:56:13,154
And if you don't want that, go
live in a foam house and let

1086
00:56:13,154 --> 00:56:14,115
the state take care of you.

1087
00:56:14,115 --> 00:56:17,084
But that's not what the human
experience calls us to do.

1088
00:56:17,084 --> 00:56:21,734
It's a, it's a dangerous adventure
we're on and there's calculated risks

1089
00:56:21,734 --> 00:56:24,375
and bad things happen and it sucks.

1090
00:56:24,375 --> 00:56:28,875
And we should work to mitigate
those, but not at the cost of

1091
00:56:28,875 --> 00:56:30,345
quenching the human spirit.

1092
00:56:31,964 --> 00:56:33,825
You know, at the heart of it is art.

1093
00:56:34,455 --> 00:56:36,225
An artist is not a safe person.

1094
00:56:36,990 --> 00:56:37,530
Shouldn't be here.

1095
00:56:37,530 --> 00:56:38,550
The art's gonna suck.

1096
00:56:38,700 --> 00:56:39,210
That's right.

1097
00:56:39,720 --> 00:56:39,810
Yeah.

1098
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:45,030
Uh, so you are living art and, and
it does not call you to safety.

1099
00:56:45,030 --> 00:56:46,860
It calls you to be brave.

1100
00:56:50,550 --> 00:56:55,050
I, I think a lot of people can use that
reminder because so many people, they put

1101
00:56:55,080 --> 00:57:00,120
the bubble wrap on and they wanna live a
safe life, man, I wanna live a real life.

1102
00:57:00,180 --> 00:57:04,410
I wanna live a life that's, that brings
me excitement, that gets my heart racing.

1103
00:57:04,410 --> 00:57:09,240
And that doesn't happen in a safe place
that happens with controlled risk.

1104
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:14,730
And if I don't, if I don't have a level of
controlled risk in my life, I don't feel

1105
00:57:14,730 --> 00:57:17,040
like I'm, I don't feel like I'm growing.

1106
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:18,870
And it's actually rather
depressing for me.

1107
00:57:18,870 --> 00:57:20,790
I've always needed that level of.

1108
00:57:21,465 --> 00:57:25,635
Uh, danger to be present in my life,
whether I'm going out on adventure,

1109
00:57:25,725 --> 00:57:30,105
camping, climbing, whatever,
mountaineering, like, there has to

1110
00:57:30,105 --> 00:57:34,155
be some element of like, I have to
have my wits about me or else I could

1111
00:57:34,155 --> 00:57:38,835
be seriously injured or, or hurt
in order for that to be a strong,

1112
00:57:38,835 --> 00:57:40,785
memorable moving experience for me.

1113
00:57:41,175 --> 00:57:43,605
I don't know if that's what
most people are like, but I've

1114
00:57:43,725 --> 00:57:45,045
recognized that in myself.

1115
00:57:46,215 --> 00:57:46,425
Alright.

1116
00:57:46,515 --> 00:57:48,945
Oh, I absolutely think that at the
core, most people are that way.

1117
00:57:48,945 --> 00:57:53,865
I think all people are, but you
know, it, there's a, there's an

1118
00:57:53,865 --> 00:57:57,495
element of fear and it, it wins.

1119
00:57:57,615 --> 00:58:01,785
It wins a lot of times and you gotta talk
about when it doesn't work out, right?

1120
00:58:01,790 --> 00:58:01,910
Mm-hmm.

1121
00:58:02,090 --> 00:58:06,555
So I was in the hospital for three
months, spina bifida complications,

1122
00:58:06,555 --> 00:58:07,995
and a can't pee, still can't pee.

1123
00:58:07,995 --> 00:58:09,375
You gotta use a catheter every day.

1124
00:58:10,095 --> 00:58:14,055
And so for many, many days on
end, I would lay flat on my

1125
00:58:14,055 --> 00:58:15,915
back, watch a clock on a wall.

1126
00:58:17,190 --> 00:58:21,330
And so one of the things that runs through
my mind is because I always hear the

1127
00:58:21,330 --> 00:58:23,670
critic, the critic is always in my mind.

1128
00:58:23,670 --> 00:58:28,050
And when you say, well, I wanna
live, you know, a life of danger,

1129
00:58:28,050 --> 00:58:30,750
of calculated risk, there's a
critic back there going Yeah.

1130
00:58:30,750 --> 00:58:34,650
Until you're 90% burned up in a chair and
you don't, you know, but that's, they're

1131
00:58:34,650 --> 00:58:36,810
saying that because they won't do it,

1132
00:58:37,350 --> 00:58:37,560
they

1133
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:39,060
themselves won't go out and do it.

1134
00:58:39,690 --> 00:58:44,220
But what they are saying, instead of
you retaliating, it should give you cre.

1135
00:58:44,220 --> 00:58:48,330
It should, you should give it credence and
give it time to think and process that.

1136
00:58:48,330 --> 00:58:52,380
And understand, because I've been
there in the hospital bed, I've

1137
00:58:52,380 --> 00:58:58,020
had neighbors in my hospital room
ward that were there for a year.

1138
00:58:58,380 --> 00:59:00,930
You know, there's people living
lives that are very much different

1139
00:59:00,930 --> 00:59:02,160
than what you're experiencing.

1140
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:02,790
Mm-hmm.

1141
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:07,980
And I have to consider if the
choices I make today put me in that

1142
00:59:07,980 --> 00:59:11,670
position, you know, was it worth it?

1143
00:59:16,785 --> 00:59:19,605
And it, it's a question
that only you can answer.

1144
00:59:20,475 --> 00:59:25,035
Uh, and I ask myself that a lot because
if it's not, then whatever task you're

1145
00:59:25,035 --> 00:59:26,865
about to do, you might need to modify it.

1146
00:59:27,495 --> 00:59:31,725
Uh, however, you could have the best
intentions and have your morning

1147
00:59:31,725 --> 00:59:35,625
coffee get out on the road in a
truck, T-bones, you, and there you

1148
00:59:35,625 --> 00:59:39,105
are stuck in a hospital bed forever,
and you were not on a grand adventure.

1149
00:59:39,105 --> 00:59:41,715
You were just going to your
eight, nine to five job every day.

1150
00:59:42,045 --> 00:59:42,255
Mm-hmm.

1151
00:59:42,495 --> 00:59:47,175
So I would say that as long as there's
breath in your lungs and awareness in your

1152
00:59:47,175 --> 00:59:51,705
mind, the human experience goes on and
you were built to make the best of that.

1153
00:59:52,395 --> 00:59:55,575
And I am saying that from someone
who was laying in a hospital bed.

1154
00:59:55,575 --> 00:59:59,145
I don't wanna sound callous,
I don't have a perfect life.

1155
00:59:59,145 --> 01:00:00,945
I can't, I can't go to the bathroom.

1156
01:00:01,665 --> 01:00:03,885
Um, man, that was of no choice of mine.

1157
01:00:03,885 --> 01:00:05,685
That was a, a born defect.

1158
01:00:06,495 --> 01:00:09,075
But, but it doesn't matter.

1159
01:00:09,405 --> 01:00:12,195
Um, I know that the spirit goes on.

1160
01:00:12,705 --> 01:00:15,195
The spirit goes on, and I've
learned so much from someone.

1161
01:00:15,195 --> 01:00:16,245
Think about Helen Keller.

1162
01:00:16,605 --> 01:00:16,695
Mm-hmm.

1163
01:00:16,935 --> 01:00:17,475
Good Lord.

1164
01:00:18,105 --> 01:00:19,155
What that woman did.

1165
01:00:19,665 --> 01:00:22,365
I mean, look at the people she's inspired.

1166
01:00:23,835 --> 01:00:24,045
Yeah.

1167
01:00:24,045 --> 01:00:26,775
It was, eh, h Chapin, he had
that quote outta suffering

1168
01:00:26,775 --> 01:00:28,185
of emerged Strongest souls.

1169
01:00:28,215 --> 01:00:30,465
The most massive characters
are seared with scars.

1170
01:00:31,095 --> 01:00:36,735
I gotta wonder if you didn't have that
suffering as a youth, uh, dealing with

1171
01:00:36,735 --> 01:00:41,835
these, the, the medical issues, do you
think you'd have the same outlook now?

1172
01:00:41,835 --> 01:00:45,855
Or do you think it's because of that
suffering that you're able to, uh, to

1173
01:00:45,855 --> 01:00:47,835
see the other side and have this outlook?

1174
01:00:54,045 --> 01:00:55,485
Well, I think I've always had it.

1175
01:00:56,205 --> 01:00:56,505
Hmm.

1176
01:00:56,835 --> 01:00:59,535
I just drew it, it, it made it come home.

1177
01:00:59,805 --> 01:01:04,365
You know, I remember my sister, she
asked me, how'd you get through it?

1178
01:01:04,500 --> 01:01:06,445
And, and I was 26 years old.

1179
01:01:06,825 --> 01:01:06,855
Okay.

1180
01:01:07,335 --> 01:01:07,695
No, I was

1181
01:01:07,695 --> 01:01:11,985
27. I was 27 when I started
losing all the feeling in my toes

1182
01:01:11,985 --> 01:01:13,575
and issues started happening.

1183
01:01:13,575 --> 01:01:17,115
Then I went into all those surgeries,
then they got infections and pseudomona

1184
01:01:17,115 --> 01:01:18,975
and staph, and then meningitis and

1185
01:01:19,395 --> 01:01:19,695
just,

1186
01:01:19,695 --> 01:01:20,475
it snowballed.

1187
01:01:20,475 --> 01:01:23,475
It was just a, a, a myriad
of things, one after another.

1188
01:01:24,405 --> 01:01:26,745
And I, I told her, I said,
well, turtles got me through it.

1189
01:01:27,285 --> 01:01:31,185
She, I mean, I know she was expecting me
to say God, but the thing is, I was always

1190
01:01:31,185 --> 01:01:32,595
good with God the whole time through.

1191
01:01:32,925 --> 01:01:33,285
Hmm.

1192
01:01:33,705 --> 01:01:37,005
I never, I never said, why
this or how could you that

1193
01:01:37,005 --> 01:01:38,805
I, I didn't ask to come here.

1194
01:01:38,805 --> 01:01:42,585
As far as I know, and I'm here and, and
I'm not, it's not on my timeline to leave.

1195
01:01:42,585 --> 01:01:45,195
So God gets a pass on all that.

1196
01:01:45,195 --> 01:01:48,645
As far as my little puny ego goes,
I'm not in, I'm not interested

1197
01:01:48,645 --> 01:01:50,565
in, in, in even going there.

1198
01:01:51,075 --> 01:01:54,645
Uh, what I'm interested in
is, is working on myself.

1199
01:01:55,035 --> 01:02:01,965
And so, um, because God's been good
to me, so I said turtles because

1200
01:02:02,805 --> 01:02:04,275
whenever I dive in the ocean.

1201
01:02:05,504 --> 01:02:11,595
I saw a turtle that a third of his butt
was gone, missing a leg too, a chomp mark.

1202
01:02:11,595 --> 01:02:12,915
It took, you know, right out of it.

1203
01:02:13,484 --> 01:02:17,325
And that turtle was not laying
around feeling sorry for itself.

1204
01:02:17,834 --> 01:02:23,055
It was eating coral or jellyfish and
swimming around, and it was just as

1205
01:02:23,055 --> 01:02:26,834
normal as could be missing his ass.

1206
01:02:27,464 --> 01:02:34,634
And I thought, well then it's up to you
to continue to go until it's not your job.

1207
01:02:35,174 --> 01:02:37,634
And so that's what got me through it.

1208
01:02:37,665 --> 01:02:42,825
It's like if you wake up and you see that
clock on the wall, keep thinking thoughts.

1209
01:02:42,830 --> 01:02:46,214
And then the thought that got
me through it was, I pictured

1210
01:02:46,214 --> 01:02:47,865
a movie in my mind, right?

1211
01:02:47,865 --> 01:02:51,345
So I'm laying there, I've lost
all my muscle mass and it's

1212
01:02:51,345 --> 01:02:52,875
just, it's just not looking good.

1213
01:02:53,354 --> 01:03:00,134
And I pictured a warm summer day when
the camera is down low to the ground.

1214
01:03:00,134 --> 01:03:01,964
So picture a horizon.

1215
01:03:02,625 --> 01:03:04,245
It's a field of grass.

1216
01:03:04,245 --> 01:03:05,145
It's short grass.

1217
01:03:05,145 --> 01:03:07,484
It's only maybe two, three
inches tall, you know, some

1218
01:03:07,484 --> 01:03:08,595
little white flowers in there.

1219
01:03:08,595 --> 01:03:12,404
It's a wild meadow and the
camera's low looking out.

1220
01:03:13,154 --> 01:03:19,335
And then from behind the camera comes
me in boots running, and I would be,

1221
01:03:19,335 --> 01:03:24,045
I was running away and I pictured
that scene again and again of me

1222
01:03:24,045 --> 01:03:26,205
running one day in my boots, you know?

1223
01:03:26,444 --> 01:03:26,865
Hmm.

1224
01:03:27,915 --> 01:03:28,665
Well that happened.

1225
01:03:29,444 --> 01:03:31,455
I can run, I run in my boots.

1226
01:03:31,455 --> 01:03:34,964
So, you know, I don't, I think
that encouraged me and I, by just

1227
01:03:34,964 --> 01:03:38,355
picturing that movie over and over
and over, I knew that would happen.

1228
01:03:39,105 --> 01:03:39,495
That's amazing.

1229
01:03:40,815 --> 01:03:40,995
Yeah.

1230
01:03:40,995 --> 01:03:44,835
There, there's a lot to be said for the
power of visualization and it's, it's

1231
01:03:44,835 --> 01:03:49,904
more than just you, you gotta feel it
just like you, just like you articulated

1232
01:03:49,904 --> 01:03:52,694
this picture, I could feel myself there.

1233
01:03:52,754 --> 01:03:54,165
You were feeling yourself there.

1234
01:03:54,165 --> 01:03:57,375
I'm gonna go out in a limb and say that
you were visualizing in your head what

1235
01:03:57,375 --> 01:04:01,904
exactly what that looked like, and yeah,
it's, it's funny how that becomes reality.

1236
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:05,730
You did it as a kid with the
explosives, you did it as a, in

1237
01:04:05,730 --> 01:04:07,770
your twenties in the hospital there.

1238
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:09,240
Yeah.

1239
01:04:09,810 --> 01:04:11,100
What do you, what are you visualizing now?

1240
01:04:11,100 --> 01:04:12,240
What does the future look like?

1241
01:04:16,770 --> 01:04:17,280
Well,

1242
01:04:20,790 --> 01:04:22,380
I'm picturing a mountain home.

1243
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:30,840
I, and, uh, a lot of hot springs
coffee in the morning and a laboratory

1244
01:04:31,290 --> 01:04:36,330
where, uh, where I experiment a lot
on, on the chemistry that I, I have

1245
01:04:36,330 --> 01:04:42,870
questions about in my mind, good
friends and loving family around me.

1246
01:04:43,620 --> 01:04:49,980
And a lot of land, a lot of land to
leave to my kids because while we're so

1247
01:04:49,980 --> 01:04:57,510
concerned about, and we should be about
habitat for endangered species animals.

1248
01:04:59,984 --> 01:05:05,355
The most endangered animal I
can tell is the man on fire.

1249
01:05:06,464 --> 01:05:07,575
There's no place for him.

1250
01:05:08,265 --> 01:05:13,725
We're, we're vastly killing that, that
territory for that creature to live.

1251
01:05:13,904 --> 01:05:14,955
We're confining it.

1252
01:05:14,955 --> 01:05:15,915
We're restricting it.

1253
01:05:15,915 --> 01:05:17,984
We're regulating it, we're tying it down.

1254
01:05:19,484 --> 01:05:23,205
And if there's a salvation for
mankind, it's that kind of man.

1255
01:05:24,194 --> 01:05:25,575
And he needs a place to roam.

1256
01:05:25,904 --> 01:05:29,444
And it's not always public land
where there's rules and regulation.

1257
01:05:30,345 --> 01:05:32,984
It's private land, it's 30,000 acres.

1258
01:05:32,984 --> 01:05:33,734
We're in the middle of it.

1259
01:05:33,734 --> 01:05:36,615
You can do where the hell
you want and nobody's there.

1260
01:05:36,825 --> 01:05:37,004
Mm-hmm.

1261
01:05:37,335 --> 01:05:42,524
And, uh, we need that
as, as a, as a planet.

1262
01:05:42,794 --> 01:05:43,515
We need that.

1263
01:05:43,575 --> 01:05:44,654
We need those people.

1264
01:05:44,654 --> 01:05:46,004
That's the endangered species.

1265
01:05:46,004 --> 01:05:49,395
So I'm gonna build a refuge
for that endangered species.

1266
01:05:50,940 --> 01:05:53,730
I knew there was more to you,
there is more spark to you than

1267
01:05:53,730 --> 01:05:56,610
what was, uh, being led out in the
collective podcast, Sarah, and I'm

1268
01:05:56,610 --> 01:05:58,590
so glad we've had this opportunity.

1269
01:05:58,890 --> 01:06:01,560
Is is there anything that
we haven't talked about that

1270
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:02,819
we should be talking about?

1271
01:06:06,180 --> 01:06:09,600
Well, I don't really know, you know,
I don't know who all's watching this,

1272
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:14,615
but, but everybody that's watching it,
I, I would just encourage everybody to,

1273
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:16,350
to take stock and look at their life.

1274
01:06:17,250 --> 01:06:20,370
And, and one thing that I've
started saying lately is that

1275
01:06:20,370 --> 01:06:25,830
we have two ears, two eyes, two
hands, two feet and one mouth.

1276
01:06:26,460 --> 01:06:32,400
And, and the reason for that, and maybe
there's no reason, right, but this

1277
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:37,560
is what I take from that, is that you
should be taking in and doing twice

1278
01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:42,120
as much as what you're saying so that
when you're saying something, it has

1279
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:44,790
weight and meaning bound by experience.

1280
01:06:44,790 --> 01:06:45,150
Right?

1281
01:06:46,049 --> 01:06:49,110
And I would say to everybody out there.

1282
01:06:50,580 --> 01:06:54,900
Not just love your neighbors and
love your, the people in your life,

1283
01:06:55,470 --> 01:06:57,450
but to learn to listen to them.

1284
01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:00,060
And at the same time, listen to yourself.

1285
01:07:00,150 --> 01:07:05,339
So watch what you've been doing in your
life and ask yourself, what does it serve?

1286
01:07:06,060 --> 01:07:07,110
Where is it headed?

1287
01:07:07,830 --> 01:07:10,529
And look at it from a third
point of view so that you can

1288
01:07:10,529 --> 01:07:11,430
kind of see how it play out.

1289
01:07:11,430 --> 01:07:13,920
Because you easily can look at somebody
and say, oh, they're not headed anywhere.

1290
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:14,790
Good, right?

1291
01:07:15,060 --> 01:07:16,589
We always point the finger all around.

1292
01:07:17,220 --> 01:07:19,410
Mm. But look in the mirror and ask
yourself if you were that third

1293
01:07:19,410 --> 01:07:25,650
person, and, and be bold enough to
look at the darkest side too, and

1294
01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:29,549
confront that and work on yourself.

1295
01:07:29,549 --> 01:07:34,500
Because if every human being, were loving
their neighbor simultaneously working on

1296
01:07:34,500 --> 01:07:39,210
themselves and greeting their neighbor
with compassion and forgiveness because

1297
01:07:39,210 --> 01:07:41,160
they've seen the inside of themselves.

1298
01:07:42,225 --> 01:07:45,615
Uh, that would be the first step to
making this place a hell of a lot better.

1299
01:07:45,615 --> 01:07:48,015
And when it comes to government,
you wouldn't need a whole lot

1300
01:07:48,015 --> 01:07:50,799
of government with the people
that govern themselves that way.

1301
01:07:51,060 --> 01:07:51,480
Mm-hmm.

1302
01:07:51,565 --> 01:07:56,355
That would be the future of government
where there are some guidelines and

1303
01:07:56,355 --> 01:08:01,275
we self-regulate, but, uh, probably a
pipe dream, but, but just like cream

1304
01:08:01,275 --> 01:08:04,485
separates and milk, maybe one day
everything will just kind of settle out.

1305
01:08:04,725 --> 01:08:05,805
That's what nature does.

1306
01:08:06,375 --> 01:08:07,515
It tends to Yeah.

1307
01:08:07,605 --> 01:08:11,654
That would be, or, or destroys
itself, one or the other.

1308
01:08:11,715 --> 01:08:15,555
You know, one big explosive,
second big bang of the world.

1309
01:08:15,975 --> 01:08:16,965
Um, yeah.

1310
01:08:16,965 --> 01:08:18,104
For the universe there.

1311
01:08:19,095 --> 01:08:21,555
Well, Matt, I'm gonna have
links in the description where

1312
01:08:21,555 --> 01:08:23,265
people can find more about you.

1313
01:08:23,385 --> 01:08:29,055
I really enjoyed our conversation and, uh,
you know, we chatted a little bit before.

1314
01:08:29,055 --> 01:08:29,354
I'm going, uh.

1315
01:08:30,630 --> 01:08:33,510
I'm going to, uh, pick your brain
a little bit more afterwards, but

1316
01:08:33,570 --> 01:08:36,870
uh, I'd love to come down and, uh,
visit with you on the rant someday

1317
01:08:36,870 --> 01:08:40,290
and, uh, see what kind of value I
can bring to you out there as well.

1318
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:43,470
'cause this has been a very
valuable podcast to me and I'm

1319
01:08:43,470 --> 01:08:44,505
sure to the audience as well.

1320
01:08:45,630 --> 01:08:46,260
Well, that's great.

1321
01:08:46,350 --> 01:08:47,580
Thank you very much for having me.

1322
01:08:47,580 --> 01:08:48,180
I appreciate it.