Show Notes
Intro: R.I.P. Michael K. Williams
Let Me Run This By You: Loyalty
Interview: We talk to Kelly McAdams
FULL TRANSCRIPT (unedited):
And Jen Bosworth from me this and I'm Gina Pulice. We went to theater school together. We survived it, but we didn't quite understand it. 20 years later, we're digging deep talking to our guests about their experiences and trying to make sense of it all. We survived theater school and you will too. Are we famous yet? So that's the actual truth of the matter. So, but what it is bringing up is like these feelings and you must have, well, I don't know what I'm assuming you have these feelings when you're taking care of another being of like, I, especially a baby who can't talk. Right. I don't know what's wrong with you. There's something wrong with you.
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You're not, something's off. You can't communicate to me because you don't have the language and doors can't communicate to me cause she's a dog. And, but I am responsible for you because you have no other person to guide you, my husband too, but he's like, you know, whatever, he doesn't know what's happening either. And so there's a lot of, there's a lot of like waiting and saying, okay, well, you know what, hopefully this doesn't kill you. You know what I mean? Like we're going to figure it out, but it, it is, it does bring up these, this issue of what to do in between the time. And this is what I experienced with my mom and tests and everything in tests.
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And when you send a script off and you're waiting to hear what, how do I work with myself in the, in between times of not knowing of submitting the thing, whether it's a poop sample or right. Example and hearing the answer. Yeah. Well, so I hear you talking about two to at least two things. One being just the feeling that you get when you're taking care of somebody and there's something wrong. And what that usually raises for people is however, somebody treated them when there was something wrong with them and they were little. And my biggest flaw in that regard is I get scared.
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And then that makes me angry. And I, and I want to be like, I want to invalidate it and say that there's nothing wrong with you or that the worst thing is wrong with you. And it just becomes this thing. And I think for us, it's been a lot that we don't have very much wiggle room in our system here. Like we sort of need everything to be functioning at all times because we don't have much of a safety net in terms of like people to help us or money to help us if there's a big problem. So we both really scared when there's a problem. We get scared of like, if it means somebody, you know, can't go to work or somebody, you know, is going to need a of our resource.
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It just, it kind of triggers that. The other thing about waiting is also very painful. And I feel like there isn't any other way around it, but to say like, here I am waiting and here I am still waiting and are all like, you know, it w whatever will be, will be, and to try to have that sort of like not being attached to the outcome, which is hard. Yeah. And no, and knowing that, you know, for me, it's like, I've done what I w it's like, knowing did I do what I could do? Yes. I did all what we're doing. All that we can do, whether it's for this or that, the other thing.
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And sometimes you, haven't done all you can do, and that makes the weighting worse. Cause you're like, I actually half-assed it. Or I, I fell short on this and we'll see, and then owning that part for me. And then you're right. There is absolutely nothing I can do. I can't, I can't fix this on my own. I am not a vet. And I am not a poop tech. I that's not in my skillset. And so I just have to boil the chicken and boil the right and make the rice and, and feed the dog. And she, her mood is fine. Everything is fine. It's just a shitty problem. It's a problem of shitting.
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And, and I did not anticipate that's one of the things of having a puppy that I did not anticipate was the amount of fecal matter that I come in contact to on a daily basis. Right. And I'm coming in contact with, on a daily basis right now. And I couldn't have known that. And, and that it's so weird, but it does come back to writing in and everything. And that you can't know until, you know, and you, and, and my amazing mentor psychiatrist said to me, marriage, you cannot actually be that ready for marriage and childbearing and child rearing marriage makes you ready for marriage in some ways. And child rearing makes you ready for you. You cannot because I want it to be so prepared, like how to prepare, and you can do some of the work, but like you do, and writing.
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So I talked to this amazing woman on Sunday who invited me to her house in Brentwood. I was like, oh, I'm getting fancy here. And she's a Chicago play Chicago playwright, who is a television writer. Oh, I'm I'm, my internet is funky too. But anyway, okay. So she's a Chicago playwright and I was in a play of hers in 1999. And now she writes big wig television, and she's about to be a show runner. And I just said, let me see if, yeah. And she's, she's always been lovely. And I said, let me see if we could just take a meeting and like, whatever.
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And then she invited me to her house and, and she was just dropping so much wisdom. And I was like, soaking it all in. But she said the same thing, which is, cause I was like, okay, like, let's say, I, I, I get I into a writer's room. Like ho how do you, how do you do it? She goes, you just shit. Like anything else you just show up the first day and you try it out. And I was like, oh, like everything starts somewhere. Yeah. And, and actually everything is just a series of many, many steps. And like, that's the thing to do actually in both of these scenarios is like, okay, so, you know, what, what am I, what can I do right now?
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What can't I do right now? What can I know right now? What can I not know right now? And developing some feeling that you're okay with the not knowing that's, that's the thing that I feel like gets triggered for people who are control freaks is just not knowing is really upsetting. And the pandemic is upsetting. And then not knowing with, you know, whatever you're gonna do with your career is upsetting. It's all. But it's really all unknowns because even something that you really know right now that you really feel too in your heart to be true, it may or may not continue in that vein. Right. Yeah. Right. In two seconds, like it is.
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And I, you know, I was reflecting on the death of Michael K. Williams. You, you must be so sad about Omar. I burst into tears. And then I thought, if this is fucking an addiction, I'm going to cry. And it is, it was a heroin addiction. And I was like, wasn't he famously like in recovery during his, yeah, I think so. I think he, he had it's like, and, and it just, it's just so sad. And so I felt angry and like addiction, you know, it just triggers so much in my feeling about addiction, about suffering from a disease that we just don't understand or care enough to really look at as a, as a, as a national and international health crisis.
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Like we weren't, a lot of people are not interested in looking at it as like, oh, this is like cancer. So my, so there was this period of time with my kids where we'd be listening to some music, you know, like anyone house and she's alive. No. Why did she die? Alcohol? Okay. Listening to watching a movie with Phillip Seymour Hoffman, is he still alive? No. What did he die from drugs? Listening to Whitney Houston. I mean, it's like every singer. And finally they get to like, is that what everybody dies from his drugs and alcohol.
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And I'm like, not technically everybody, but I can see why you would think it's everybody, because so many people who die young, especially die from this it's stunning. I mean, it is, it is flat. I'm just flabbergasted. And I, I, I knew that when I saw it, I was like, oh, oh, we have really re he's someone that I felt we have really been robbed of a genius that could have, you know, he was so great in that show. I started, I helped to cast a little bit love Lovecraft country and, and he was in it.
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And it he's a, he was a genius. Like there, there there's no way around it. And he was a huge philanthropist and helped black and brown youth in New York city. And it's like, we're just robbed, you know, Philip, Seymour Hoffman, same thing. We're robbed of like what could have been it's so fucked up. So that was really hard. I was like, oh, Omar's gone. Like Omar has gone. And that is, and apparently he was a really, really nice human being. So it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. You could be nice. You could be evil. You could be, it'll take you, frankly. It tends to be the empathic people that, you know, it's part.
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And I hate to say this because I really don't believe in this whole thing of like, you can't be a genius unless you're tortured. But I, I will just say there is a lot of co-occurrence of people who are deeply empathic and people who are great artists, because of course you have to be able to understand and, and, and talk about and portray pain. That's what everybody gets out of art anyway, as a resonance with their own pain. So, you know, so, and I don't know what the answer is, is the answer. Like, it seems like one of the answers is that everybody has to stop pretending like this isn't a problem. And Everett and everybody has to stop kowtowing to people who are famous and have money, and still be able to say, you can't do that here.
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You know, I, we don't do that. Here is riding on you, but we can't do that here. And, you know, and the studios have to be willing to take a loss if it means saving somebody's life, <inaudible> Loyalty. And I was saying, you know, loyalty has kind of gone by the wayside as like a core value that you hear people talking about. And part of that is for good reason, because maybe previously the kind of loyalty that got talked about was really just codependency, but just be loyal to everybody, even if they're hurting you, but we've thrown out the baby with the bath water in this.
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And I'm just finding, like, people don't have any loyalty. And like, for example, you know, the people who are closest to that actor, if they were really loyal to him and they saw that he was suffering, they would have had to be willing to overlook their own financial, you know, needs or desires long enough to actually be loyal to him because what it ends up being is that everybody's just loyal to what everybody else is. Can give them instead of about who, who they are. And like, I've noticed it in my children, they don't seem to have, they don't seem to even like, it's like an antiquated idea to them, you know, about being loyalty.
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Yeah. And I was just wondering what your thoughts are about it and where, what place loyalty has in your life. Yeah. I mean, I think I really resonate with the fact that, like, I think there was a, a loyalty turned, you know, self sacrifice and self and, and like harm to self right. Of the original for me of my family of origin. Right. So loyal that it becomes people pleasing and then ultimately destruction and okay, fine. But I do think that there is such, like, there used to be right there. They're there you seem to be, and maybe this was an illusion, an idea that people were more important than things, you know, and I think that's gone by the wayside and I think things are now more important than people.
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And we're seeing it in that. It's interesting, like companies like, like Amazon, right? So it, the horror stories, and yet it's so convenient. We all do. You don't, but other people just order from Amazon and shit. And then there's outliers that everyone it's interesting touts says like, oh my God, this guy who made the minimum salary for each employee, $70,000, right. And the company's doing great and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But it takes a lot of work and nobody's following his lead. Right. But he's loyal, he's, he's loyal. And I think the people who are willing to take the hit and willing to take the hit financially in order to be truly loyal to people over things, we, we respect them.
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We're all of them, but nobody follows suit because exactly what you said, everyone is out. There is a real desperation to take care of south capitalism. And nobody wants to risk losing the money, losing the deal, to be loyal to a human being it's really up. So we, I think that loyalty has gone from being loyal to people, humans, to being loyal, to, to a dollar and to a profit and to a machine. And yeah, that's why for me, when I hear stories about people who are like really loyal, you know, still to their, to their family, but a lot of times in business in Hollywood, when you hear the stories of like, no, no, no, my rep or my, whoever was stuck, you know, stuck by me when, when no one would buy my shit or when they believed in me, it's really touching.
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And we all love those stories, alum, Moonlight. I love this. I love that. But nobody takes a risk to freaking do it. It's so bizarre. It's like everyone, then you celebrate it and give it an Oscar. But the, the horror story behind how it got made, or, or just the trauma about trying to get these pictures and these movies and these television shows made is like so brutal. It's like, we love a good loyalty story, but we're not willing to put our money where our mouth is. You know, it's in this weird way. It's almost, I think it must almost reflect like people's basic in ability to be loyal to their own values.
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You know? I mean, I think that we all come to this earth with like an inherent set of values. Now, granted, if you grow up in a family where there is nothing where that's never enforced, you're not, maybe not likely to hold on to it, but most people have like some basic sort of values it's, but we you're. Right. We're willing to abandon them in a moment. If we think it's going to get us something. And what we don't realize is everything that we lose. And when we abandon our values and like, yeah. And the thing that I'm always trying to tell my kids is, you know, like an example would be, well, why should I do that?
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If they don't do that, that's like a constant refrain in my house. And I'm always saying, because if it's your value to do that, then you do it no matter how the other person is receiving it, or no matter if you're the only person who's throwing this, it comes up a lot with like littering, you know? And my kids make fun of me because I'll carry trash in the car. If I can't find a place to put it in there, you know? And they're like, just throw it on the ground. And I like, especially if it's a place where there's a lot of trash mom, there's already a ton of trash on the ground. And I'm like, because that's not my value. My value is to throw things away.
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And it doesn't matter if I'm in a pristine place where there's not a piece of trash or I'm in a trash, like I'm not going to contribute to the problem. And it's just really hard to instill in people. And I think if you look at it, I mean not to bring it back it well, but to bring it back to the internet, like if it, the culture of the social media culture is so fast. So just follow the trend. I mean, that's all that happens. You follow a trend, you get rich, you've jumped on a bandwagon early enough. You you're making millions. And so new values don't really, they don't have a monetary, you don't get paid to have good values.
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Right. Right. Nobody gives a shit. So it's a thankless thing. But at the end of the day, I think it's true. I mean, it really, for me comes down to when I'm at the end of the day, whenever the big end of the day is how do I want to leave the planet in my soul, in my heart? Do I want to feel like I did what I could to contribute to helping? Or did I not, I cannot live with some and some are negotiable. Right. But then there are certain non-negotiables that I like living in denial versus living in truth about feelings and about what is actually happening in my life.
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And then with my relationships. Okay. I would rather, that's a strong value of mine to look for the truth and to try to live from a place of authenticity. Don't always do it. Not easy, not always, but when I'm dying, whenever that is, whether it's quickly or slowly, I want to be able to say, look, yeah, I fucking tried. And I contributed to trying to live by this value. Did it always work? No. But did I try my best? Yes. Okay. I can say that versus what did I do? I just write. Yeah. I went and got a, you know, whatever it is. I, you know, I bought a Mercedes G wagon. Okay.
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Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And with the exception of the sociopath's of the world, like at the end of the day, you don't feel good if you're going to sleep in your Mercedes G wagon. And you've like, and you've like sold out all of your friends along the way. Now you don't actually know. And it, and it comes back to what that client said to him. And, you know, the client said to me the gangster, right. Did I tell you the mobster who, the old mobster, I saw this old mobster as a client who is semi-famous, you know, like in the world. And he said to me, he was like, he got out of federal prison. He was like 80 years old when he got out and he had to see me, he was mandated. And I saw him, he said, let me tell you something.
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If you don't have your emotional and physical health, you've got nothing. Nothing I have had money. I've had this, I've had that. It doesn't mean anything. I'm miserable. I'm now bankrupt, emotionally and spiritually. And I would trade it all for that. And I really believed him because this is a guy who freaking had at all. And he was literally like, clutching my hand, pleading with me saying, take care of your emotional, physical health. Cause without it, and, and your S like center, because without it, nothing else matters. And then the guy died. Right? So like he passed away. Like I heard like five years later, whatever.
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And he was, I don't know if he ever got to a place where he felt better, but Jesus, I was like, okay, dude, I would consider it an accomplishment that he even got to the place where he could say that to you, because I know people very well who have died without ever even, and who have lost everything while they were alive and still didn't get to the place of understanding that it's only about, you know, what's oh, it's so crazy. I'm not happy now, you know? Yeah. Okay.
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Today on the podcast, we're talking with Kelly, Mick Adams. Kelly is someone who went to the theater school at dusk, at DePaul university. And she is a business woman. She's a wedding planner that just sort of slays all things, wedding planning, and she's delightful and humble and sassy and funny. So please enjoy our conversation with Kelly, McDonalds,
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Kelly McAdam, what'd you go in and get Kelly McAdams, congratulations. You survived theater school. And I have 1 million memories of you from that time, which, which we'll get into, but generally to start us off, what do you have enough to for the last 25 years ago?
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Really method, not much, you know, I chill pina coladas. Yeah. That feels about right. I'm not doing the rat race at all of life and job and kids and family and yeah. So all, all of the above I'm, I'm living the dream living in Los Angeles, not the acting dream that got crushed years ago.
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Wait, wait, this is exciting. This is so, but you do so many, I mean like you have, you have a thriving career, you have two children I believe, and right. And, and a husband, but why let's, let's go back a little bit. Cause we're, I'm all about hearing about dreams being resurrected and, and squashed and then resurrected again. So what first were you, were you a kid that acted? Were you a child actor?
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I wasn't a child actor, but I did get into it about sixth grade. And then I, high school is when I dove in. So I'd say 15. I, I was, I was in it to win it. It was in Texas and Houston. And so if you know anything about Texas, we do everything on a bigger scale than anyone does. So our theater department was intense. We were like the five star we would travel, compete. It was very cutthroat, so to speak. So
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Were you on the, the, the, was there like the, the team, the speech team or was it straight up acting? Oh, okay.
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So we would do the speech competitions. You'd do a comedy or drama. And then we would also tour with the UIL shows. I don't know if you've ever heard of that. Basically. It was like a 45 minute show that you work on for three months and you travel and then you compete and you go to state and then you hopefully win state, but sometimes you'd come in second or third. Yeah, it was, it was, our school was pretty top-notch it was cool.
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Was it an arts high school?
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No, not by any means. It was just a public. I mean, football was everything. It was again, Texas. We just had an incredible theater teacher, miss Erlandson. And she, she wanted to win.
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I love that. Honestly, we could do, I've said this before we could do a whole episode just about like inspiring high school. And for me it was actually junior high drama teachers. And we're like, what a great impact they had, even if, for people who didn't pursue it, just like the passion that those teachers have.
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It just also kept me in such a straight line. You know, I was not hanging around the best kids and I still hung around that. Not best kids, but I still succeeded because I had to, I had to show up. I had to, you know, somebody held me accountable. So that was, she was quite quite important for sure. And then she was the one that honestly introduced me to theater schools, conservatories. So it was a big deal. The upperclassmen I'd watch them go through the process and look at different schools. And each year certain ones would be better than the others and kind of rank which ones you wanted to audition for.
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And yeah, it was, it wasn't like it was out of the blue going to a conservatory. It was part of the program.
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That's amazing. So you had, so she did she like, did she know about them and an educator self on them and then like show you brochures? Cause there's we have a whole string of podcasts where we talk about the colorful DePaul brochures and I still remember them too, but did she, did she like, w would she help you make like choices where you were? That is where is she? She's still with us.
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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She is. She's still in the universe. I don't, I think she's retired. I don't think she's teaching anymore still in Texas. And it's, she's not Texas at all. Like, that's an interesting, like I don't consider myself Texas and I think she was also about that as well, but, but yeah, she would like the year before me, there was a super talented, late girl who was going to North Carolina school of the arts. And that was like a big deal. And I remember our teacher just being like so proud that she got in and she was going to go to like one of the best schools in the country.
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And so when I approached her saying, I'd like to go to a conservatory, we, we discussed like the different ones and what we thought that like capabilities would be. And, you know, I still think I was at the level of North Carolina school of the arts. So we honed in on NYU and DePaul and, you know, prepared our pieces and it's it's yeah. Kind of grooms you to, so the audition process,
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Do you remember your audition and what it was like for you,
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You know, studying? So I'd been listening to the podcast and I love all by the way. It's so fun. I don't remember my pieces that I did, but I absolutely, it it's funny to listen to Jeffrey Brown because I feel like we were very similar with the NYU DePaul situation. I drove NYU was at Dallas, so we had to drive three hours. My mom and I, and it was, it was like this old man behind a desk. And he was just like doing monologue, do my monologue. And he's like another one do another one, one more. I was like, ah, thankfully I had all this like going.
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And so I left, it was like 15 minutes. And my mom's like, that's it. I was like, yeah, I guess, I don't know. We drove three hours back home. And then I went to DePaul's, which was abusive. So I could just drive. Cause I lived outside of, he said, and it was Rick Murphy who has a very special place in my heart. And it was magical. Like I loved, I just remember loving every second. I mean, I was definitely like, you got a little weirded out, like what are we doing? But it was so fun. And, and, and then we, I feel like I changed for some reason. I don't know why I have memory, but yeah. I changed into like a nice dress and not a log.
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Yeah. Right. Okay.
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More people there's all this talk about. Like people wore like sweat pants, some people had jeans to do the movement part. Some people didn't know what the movement part was and were wearing like, you know, slacks and all that stuff. But then you, you changed. I remember, I remember people bringing sweats and stuff and then for their pieces, they, they, they like got back into their audition outfit. So you were addressed. Okay. But you don't remember your pieces, Kelly?
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No, I don't. Which is a plumber, but we used to create our own, so we would cut scripts together. So it wouldn't necessarily be a traditional monologue and, and that was part of the speech part of it. So we would always, so we got really creative with our, with our item, which might've helped as well. So, but yeah. And then I got in both schools, which was exciting and, and again, very parallel to Jackie brown story. Basically my parents were like, NYU is ridiculous, really expensive. And you know, you could either work and go to college or you could have a full college experience and go to DePaul. So I chose the latter.
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And so did you move to LA as soon as you graduated?
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No. No. I stayed about four years in Chicago. I got zero by. Okay. So bad. I was so bad. Anyway. I mean, you guys have touched on that, but at the monologues were just terrible. I mean, I think two people in our class had a good monologue and that was it. So I was in the rough pile. So I came back to Chicago and, and yeah, I did, I did theater and did some commercials. I was in shaker group thing with Eric Slater. That was a real fun, crazy experience.
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Worked on like some independent films, just kind of like, you know, I would wait tables, make some money and then do a show that would last two months, make no money, you know, burn through everything and I'd go wait tables and kind of did that for about four years. Yeah,
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Go ahead. Oh, I was just going to say, you know, taking it back a little bit, something that you said, so you, you no bites in LA, but do you remember those pieces or that monologue? Did you, did you, did you, oh, what was your showcase monologue?
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He was so bad. It was, I don't remember where it was from and this is probably why. Cause it was so I was, I was a girl in a waiting room about to get an abortion.
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Yes. This is ringing a bell. This is really about,
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This is how you want to showcase yourself in front of Los Angeles, depressing re like it was just bad. And I remember Gina, oh my gosh. I like had a blue fancy t-shirt with like black pants. I mean, I couldn't be more nondescript and it was, it was just terrible. It was all sorts of terrible.
1
Sorry. I'm sorry to be laughing. I just, what I, what I'm just flashing on is this image of us all in the green room, you know, with our hair and our makeup and what, and I just want to look at us now and B and I would just want to yell. You're all a bunch of idiots, but I do work out. It did work out for some of us, just not all of us, or most of us are not the way, not the way we thought it would work out. Like the whole thing about this. Right. It's like the dream, right. To be a famous actor that most of us had. Not all of us, because some people we've interviewed had been like, you know what?
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I just wanted to do theater and fuck the rest. But most of us thought I'm going to be a star. I'll speak for myself. And then it just didn't work out that way. Like when people, it just didn't work out that way. So, so when did you realize, like, fuck, well, maybe you didn't want to put your energy into the dream of being a famous actor anymore.
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It was a slow, it wasn't a moment. It was kind of, I mean, I am a money driven person. I will say that I don't have a lot, which probably is why I'm driven is because I want more like most people and I was waiting tables and just, you know, on the, I didn't get the whole system, I would do some theater and that was terrible at LA parable. And then I would look a little something here or there, but I would make no money or barely any money and get an audition every few months.
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I just, I didn't, I didn't get it like it wasn't fulfilling at all.
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Okay. So that's the key, I think that's really important to know is that maybe there's something in pivoting about the fulfillment Quasha that we, that we're, we're like, we're like not if you're not fulfilled and you realize you're not fulfilled, you have a choice. We can keep doing the unfulfilling thing, which sounds, which I've done. But then it sounds like you pivoted and you did something else, many other things. Okay.
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Well, yeah. I mean we can, so I, when I moved here, one of Patrick Belton, very good friend of mine, ours, he kind of took me under his wing after a couple of years and was like, cause he had the DJ business and he was like, Hey Kelly, why don't you come to this wedding? And I'm DJ. And I think you'd be a good wedding coordinator. And I was like, oh, okay, cool. You know, I thought, I, you know, it's just, yes. Ads like to say, so I went and I was, yeah, I could do this. So I booked a couple of weddings at some really great venues. And I guess I did a good job because then the venues just put me on their list.
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And I created, I was like, oh, I guess I should have like a company. And I should do a website and did all the things. And just slowly started building this business while waiting tables while still had my toe in the acting world. I wasn't ready to say goodbye to that yet. And it was, it was an interesting, I finally realized the connection is that a wedding is theater. It's production, lighting sets costume. Every Saturday is opening night for me. So I'm the producer of the show.
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I send them down the aisle and it's like, curtains open. Here we go. And it's for six, seven hours versus two hours. And then it ends and it gets all broken down and I move onto the next show. So to speak, you know,
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You're like a PT Barnum, you set up in one town and they put it all back in your wagon. Wait, I have to ask, can you just tell us one terrible disastrous wedding story?
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Oh, there's I feel like, well there, most of them, I walk away. I completely block out because they're, I shouldn't say there in case anybody listens to this, they're all wonderful. And people are amazing
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And their marriages are all going to laugh.
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Oh, so many laughs. It's just, it's such a heightened experience on so many levels that people, it tends to bring out some not great sides of humans. So I, I tend to block out one kind of favorite story is I married two cousins. That was yes. So
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They didn't know they were cousins.
3
I did it now. So I had planned this whole wedding with the mother of the bride, which happens a lot. So sometimes the mother just comes in and we're just doing it. And she was lovely. And I liked her. She was a total Spitfire. She was from Texas had money. Definitely. She was like, just here's money. And I was like, I like you even more. And the wedding day, I'm going through my timeline. And she comes up to me and she's like, so let's do the grandfather's toast. And I was like, oh great. Yes. Oh, is it? Eric has grandfather. Right. And she goes, it's both their grandfather.
3
And I went, I'm sorry, what? Yes, my brother's kid. And I mean, I, my face probably turned and she comes whipping that she's like, it is legal in 25 states. And I was just like Wild. And I was like, oh, okay. The best, the best part is that these kids live at Louisiana. But in Louisiana you have to have a blood test to get married. So they couldn't get married there. They had to come to Los Angeles or to California to get married. I was like, Their last logon tonight is we are family.
1
Well, I mean, what else could it possibly have been? Oh my gosh, Kelly, that's fantastic.
3
My favorite that's always better than a disaster. You know, they happen. But like, yo, this is just like a family dynamic, like, and that I really get into, it's like listening to the toes. And how are you connected here? And Ooh, who really like, you know,
1
So you like, you like finding the story still. I mean, that's, that's the common thread is you're still telling stories or you're still drying out the, the stories aware, what is the state of weddings right now? Like did it, has it gone? The direction of everything is totally scaled down now because of the pandemic?
3
No, I did two back to back last weekend and nearly killed me. And it was about 140 people and then 180 people and just partied dancing to their benefit. It's a hundred percent of the guests were vaccinated and they did make sure of that. So, but I mean, we have a vendor staff of 30, 40 people, which they also said all are vaccinated and they were outdoors. So it's this and that. I mean, I, I COVID test once a week cause I've got two small kids can't get back, you know, they're two and four. So it's, it's, it's wild.
3
I'm, I'm basically doing a wedding every single weekend because the best way to explain it is normally in a year I do anywhere from like 15 to 18 weddings. And in four months, right now, from July through the beginning of November, I'm doing 15 weddings. So it's just like, okay.
1
Yeah. Because people, Pope people postponed before and now they want to get them in before it show if we shut down again. Okay.
3
Yeah. Yeah. They've been engaged since, or we've been working since 2019. I have one in next week. That's on their fourth date. We just like pushed and I, and you replant it cause you have to get all the vendors on board to the new date. Replant it.
1
Yes. This is insane. But you know, I had to point out one thing you said that you got into this by like weddings, just, you booked two weddings. So you don't just book two weddings. You know what you're doing? I always like to point out when people like, like undersell themselves. Like I couldn't just quote books. You weddings, you Patrick. It's interesting that Patrick was the connector here, which is awesome because he's such a connector, but also you have, what is it that you love about it? Like why, what makes you good at it? And what do you love about it?
3
I think just I'm a real, like Gina, I'm a Virgo, I'm logistics. I'm I'm schedule oriented. I like, I also like the control. I like being a producer. I like being top show runner. You know, I I'm everybody's boss, which is a position I enjoy, but at the same time it's harmonious. Like I'm not. And I, I say this out loud to my clients. I'm like, I'm not a power position person. I'm not an ego-driven person. I just like to get it done on the best possible level and have all of us do our best possible. You know, it's like the photographer's not going to succeed unless I set them up to succeed.
3
So we've got to all be this great team. And that is that the vendors are my favorite part of it to be really honest. You know, it's, it's, the clients are, you know, the main aspect and we're executing what they want, but having all these different personalities and, and putting it all together and then sending it off and it being done. And it's really nice. Cause then once I I'm done, I'm not so sure
1
There's no lingering, like there's no followup wedding, you know, like day seven of the wedding, you know? Yeah. I know exactly why Patrick thought of you because what the whole apartment three thing was basically just a bunch of bozos, but then you guys, mostly you, you and Stephanie, well, no, but the get, get it done person was you, you were the person who said, let's have a group picture. Let's do this outing together. Right. Isn't that true?
3
I guess, I don't know. I, that, I don't know if I have those memories of being, but I, it would make sense. I feel like that is just kind of who I am in a daily life, you know?
1
Yeah. Because you, you organized some facet of whatever we did for showcase, like you rented the car or just, I have a great picture of you and Judy sitting in the front and the convertible. Yeah. You, I feel like you did that. And then maybe you arranged when we went to the beach, I feel like I didn't do any of that. And I just tagged along with you. So you've had the skill for a long time. You're a planner. How was your experience at the theater school? I mean, that's a huge question, but like, why don't you tell us, I'm really curious about your perspective of what it was like to be in the nineties at the theater school.
3
Yeah. That, again, listening to this podcast is great. I know people have said it's so therapeutic and it's like, it's just an explosion of peeling off layers. Like all of a sudden a show will come back to me. And I hadn't thought about in 25 years because I will say in LA I am around a lot of theater school people. We never, we never talk about it. It's just, we just have this common bond that makes us friends, but we, but diving in this world. So I've been thinking a lot about it. And I kind of feel like I had two experiences at the theater school, which is kind of the first two and a half years.
3
I really loved. I mean, I, I just have really joyful memories. I again, loved Rick Murphy's class. I was so just open to it all. And again, yes. And, and I loved yoga and movement to music. I thought it was ridiculous, but on the most fun level, and then it shifted and I would say it's when we start, it was the casting process. It was just, I feel like they pitted us against each other in such a way that I th the, the enjoyment just fell out. And I started stepping away personally. I know, like I got a wedding table job between my third and fourth year that was in town.
3
I had a whole new world
1
Around
3
And I just, I, yeah. And, and, you know, to let you said to Jean, it's like, when you just get cast and these terrible role after role, and you're not like, what am I working towards? And then in the classroom. Yeah, I just, there was, I remember Christina dare, she did Shakespeare write or voice. And I always wanted to be the lady Macbeth, the power house, the, you know, I stopped the affiliates and, you know, Juliets were ridiculous and not worth my time. And I was very vocal about this. And so was, she kept me in, as my scene was romance Juliet and the balcony scene, the worst scene with Chris.
3
And I remember, oh my gosh, I was on a ladder, a 12 foot ladder. You remember those black like separators? I don't know what you,
1
Yes. The partition things. Those little flats. Yeah.
3
Well, I see an adverse reaction right now. They put that up. That was my balcony, but I couldn't touch it because it was like, if you sneeze, it would all over. Chris Grover was on the other side of it, tried to act up at me and I'm trying to woo. It was so sad. And I just remember city and seeing all like, like faculty and just being like, they're seeing me in this light, and this is not the light that I should have a voice in what I want to free myself to, for you to see, and to judge me on, because you're going to, you're going to grade that essentially.
3
And anyway, that's like one of my, I would say negative experiences. It just, I, I never, I don't understand why they, they didn't work with us and lift us up and really say, oh, you that's, that's what you want to be. You want to be a powerhouse, tell you want to be the powerful, what? Great. Let's do it. Let's work on that. Every single scene you do be that character. Why not?
1
Yeah. And the psycho, the ex therapist in me is like, my mind is wild at work here saying like, maybe, perhaps Christine felt so something in her own life that she couldn't stand like her power. She, I feel like this, a lot of teachers, their own power, they felt so stripped in whatever reason, for whatever. I don't know why, but then it was like, Anne, Jean. And I were just talking about this, about acting out. So their way of acting out these teachers across the board, I think, was to, to not allow students the, the sort of growth blooming, blossoming experience that really would have been a, such a beautiful thing.
1
Like why withhold it? There's a lot of withholding, a lot of like, we're not going to let you, we're going to hold you, hold you back. And it, I don't know if it was supposed to make us stronger, but really, it just led to a lot of rage, addictions of eating disorders and like, come on. I think you're right. Like we could've, if we could have joined with our teachers and be like, oh, you would have been in the offense. Did you ever get to play lady M because you would be fantastic.
3
I did too. Gosh. And now I can't believe how much I studied Shakespeare. Now. I know nothing. That's great. But I feel like I'm one of the Richard's wife. I forget which, who I did her one of her monologue. And it was probably one of my favorite moments and who knows if I was good at it, but I didn't, but I liked doing it. And that's the whole, you know, it's like I wasn't outside of myself, judge. I was in it and portrayed man.
1
Great example, by the way of the wit of the grass is always greener phenomenon, because I think I did play lady Macbeth for a scene, or I, I remember doing a monologue and, and I'm, it's not like I remember this specifically, but I'm 100% sure that I would have been sitting at the audience going, I would never get cast as Juliet Kelly. So lucky. So, you know, it sits, it's its own Flipout cage that we put ourselves into in terms of, you know, this, this sometimes for people, a huge disconnect between who, who they think they are and hurt or how, how they want to be perceived and then how other people tend to pigeonhole and, and perceive them.
1
So, and that's also just true of life, by the way. Like, there can be a lot of that too. Like a lot of people feeling misunderstood, but you know, that, that, that inside in their core, they feel they are this person that they're. Yeah. And it's like, I don't know why you just give it a shot. I mean, you said you wanted to play lady. And what is the harm in allowing a child, student the process of trying out lady Macbeth? What is the heart? That is my whole question about like a conservatory. Is this like, what is the harm in building someone up? What are you afraid? We're going to get so big for our britches, that we're gonna, our head's going to explode.
1
We're going to become fascist. I don't, I don't understand. But
3
The judge made me think about how the teachers and all of a sudden it, for me, it kind of clicked in that first two years. I feel like we're our most supportive teachers, you know, it was Betsy and it was John Jenkins and Rick Murphy and they, they just wanted Patrice. They just wanted to see us succeed. And to exactly, just to have these little minds just explode. And then we got in, we shifted into these academia. It felt like world. That just, I mean, I just felt, I felt beat up a lot. Those last, you know, that last year and a half, for sure.
3
I did not. I did not. So that was a little relief. That's probably why my first and second year, so much maybe, you know, that it wasn't nagging at the back of my head and I could just play, instead of theory, the end.
1
I remember reading the same, we're reading the same improv class for your, what I remember. Right? You were, you were hilarious. I remember some hilarious in prompts with you and thinking, oh, okay, this, this woman is going against type in that. I saw you as this really beautiful sort of demure. This is looks only, I didn't know. But then you were really funny is what I recall and really fierce and really I'm a Spitfire yourself. And so it just makes me what I'm finding when I hear stories like this as, and, and think about all of us is I wish I could go back and say, and be the teacher then. And you know, say like, oh my gosh, you're going to be put into this box of like a Southern Belle.
1
Don't just rebel. Like you can rebel, but we just didn't have that. I mean,
3
That's funny. Yeah. That, that's very kind. Thank you. Like I reflected on all of this as well. I, the exact same thoughts, especially that last quarter of like Jane alderman and tying it to coming out to LA, like I would meet with managers and agents and they're like, okay. So like, what are you? And I was like, oh, oh, I could do all. I could do all, do everything. I could do drama and I could do comedy. Well, I could do accents. Oh, I can do Shakespeare. I could put on makeup at the 80. And they looked at me like I was a crazy person because it, and I think about that. I'm like, why didn't anyone say, Hey, Kelly, you're red haired.
3
Freckled, you're kind of quirky run with that. Be the, the, you know, that type of actor hone in on it, look, some jobs, get some credits, you know, have some weights with your team and then go in for all the stuff that you want to do. That's different from that. But I feel like they never, they never gave us our strength. They never said, this is what I see in. You run with it.
1
But do you think if somebody had said, this is what we think your type is, would you have agreed?
3
Probably not. It's a good point.
1
I mean, that's the thing it's like, it was, it was all about, for most of us, it was all about who we wanted to be so much more than who we actually were. And, and, and by the way, there's nothing wrong with having aspirational self. Maybe we are now who we wanted to be in some way, shape or form, but it just like it. Then if we were probably impossible to talk to, you know, in terms of like with the adults, trying to tell us what our lives and our careers were going to be like, so you did have an agent and manager in LA, but you just didn't book enough.
3
I had a manager, didn't have an agent. I had an agent in Chicago. Yeah. I just sit in, nothing clicked. I mean, I go out, I, I also didn't have the trait, the TV, I would take classes, I would do commercial. I also developed which I had a little bit of in school, just a real, just fear stage. Right. And so It's crazy. Like I walk into any social situation as well, and it's just like, the nerves are over. And so you walk into a room with everybody just staring at you, not wanting you to succeed for whatever reason.
3
And it just, yeah. So I think the fear really, I didn't have that young, you know, fearlessness that I did as a child, like, as I got older, it just became more and more constructing. And then I just finally was like, yeah, I can't I'm, I, I do enjoy now being behind the scenes. I will say that is something I I'm not, I like being the puppet master.
1
Are you interested at all? Because I'm thinking I'm like, whoa, you would be, I mean, I don't know, but do you ever have aspirations to produce like film or TV or, no,
3
I don't because it's so foreign to me and things that I don't know, kind of, they scare me. My husband is a producer and in the producing world. So I, and it's really interesting because at the end of the day, we'll we talk about our lives. They're incredibly similar and paralleled. They're just at different levels. And I feel hard at this for him and how, you know, it's still, it's a rat race. It's job after job. There's no. So, you know, I think right now I'm just gonna kind of do my thing where I'm at and I enjoy, I still love, you know, I mean, television nowadays is beyond.
3
And, and I used to back in the day go to a movie a week, you know, I just walked down to the Vista theater when I lived in silver lake and which is plopped down in the middle of the day and just watch a movie and I still love everything about it. I'm just, it's not a place for me to be in front of the camera.
1
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I cut you off earlier when you were starting to talk about how you loved the first two years, and then you were starting to say that the last two years was very specialized. And did you have a moment of, wait, is this what we're doing here? I didn't know that this was what we were doing.
3
I don't think so. You mean in the first two years?
1
No. In the second, because, cause that's how it was for me. It was when I got into that camera class that I went, oh, is this what we're doing? And I I've said many times, I felt like I was the only person who didn't know that that was coming. But, but, but it sounds like also you're saying that the techniquey stuff about the last two years or no, or you said it was casting. I don't know. Tell me, tell me what it was about last year.
3
Exactly. Yeah. It was a lot of the cast stayed, you know, it's all just shows and you know, who kept getting the good roles and who just didn't and, and just feeling like, I just, again, just didn't have a voice, which was, you know, frustrating and not finding the joy that I was in the first two years of, of the, the fun side of it all I did, you know, I was through, through like seeing her, you know, I'm, I'm going to do this, but I do have to say when the Jane alderman class came up, I was like, oh, okay. I wish we would've done more.
3
That, I mean, I will concur with every single person that's come through on this. It's just like, that is a whole year. That would have been amazing. And it just didn't, it was so touched upon on such a, you know, glossy level where, you know, like the commercial world, I just no interest whatsoever except for the money, you know, it's like, yeah, that didn't click with me. I was trying to be a, a truest, I guess, of the theater. And, and then you do the theater and you make no money and it's just like this hamster wheel. And there's one thing that nobody's talking about, which is really funny.
3
The LA people is when I moved here, we were all frustrated and not auditioning and not working and blah, blah, blah. And so we created a group called the living room. I don't know if you've ever heard about this Jen or yeah,
1
Yes, yes. Was Larry Bates involved?
3
It was not Larry. It was Patrick Dalton, Jeffrey Brown, Brian Kemet, Ryan Ketley. There's so many people that were on here. It was so funny. Everybody giving it back to Stewart. You remember Stewart, Wendy, Wendy Carter. He liked Goodman Christian husband, but we would, every week we would meet and Patrick's rabbi Adler. He was one we'd meet in Patrick's living room and we would work. We would do scene work. We would, I bring in casting directors to give us other, yeah, it was really, it was a cool. And then we did a showcase.
3
We did it. I don't know if you remember the geisha house, super fancy Brian when it was a bartender there. And so we got their private room because I did all these casting directors and directors and whatnot. And we did, instead of doing monologues, we did scenes and the seed work and it was, it was a blast. There was definitely some moments of previous, you know, show work or, you know, that I was like, oh, this is bringing back PTSD from DePaul. But yeah. So,
1
You know, what's so weird. What year was this? I think I was at the showcase. I think I came with Judy, I think Judy and I went, this was what year? Like 2000 something.
3
It had to have been. Let's see, I moved to LA in 2001. So it had be three years. So 2000
1
I was there. Wait a minute, wait a minute. I'm telling you right now. I remember being very impressed by the level of professionalism and the sort of ingenuity of the showcase because it was the first showcase that I was doing scenes instead of monologues. Wait, I remember being cool. Did people calm? Did you get a good response
3
House? And we, I mean, and then one of the scenes was like a five-person it was like a CNC. Yeah, it was really, I mean, I think a couple people got some work out of it, but at the end of the day it just felt good to do something in LA, have people come and not be a theater production. Yeah. That's so funny. I love that you were there.
1
I remember it. And I remember thinking, man, they're doing something nobody else is doing. Like it was like a Steppenwolf of LA in the, in the sort of in showcase world. Like it felt really organic. That is I. So when I think about the way I imagine that you survived theater school, I imagine it was in large part due to your relationships. You had a really tight knit group of friends who all pretty much moved to LA. If I'm, if I'm right and, and do that's what a community will do for you when you're in this lonely, what can, it's ironic how lonely acting can be as a profession, especially if your friends are actors and everybody's up for the same role and there's lots of competition, but that is something that the community can do is help you stay engaged with what you're doing and stay engaged with what you loved about it.
1
And instead of all of this dog eat dog, you know, there's, there's only so much pie and I want a piece of it. Do you still, are you still with all of those people? Are you still, I mean, you mentioned Patrick, but are you still friends with everybody
3
And that's, that is again, kind of reflecting through all this, the friendships that I've kept and have from there is, were theater school a thousand times over, I would do it again and again and again, as torturous as it was at times, for sure. For sure. Like, I mean, Judy is my ride or die forever. She's a sister, you know, and that's pretty wonderful to have that special of a human being.
1
Have you ever struggled with, you know, okay, so you're you have your Judy is your ride or die friend. Judy's had a lot of success. Has that been hard for you ever
3
In the beginning? I would lie if I'd say no now it's just, absolutely not. You know, now it's, I want her to have all the successes in the world and I would say it's been this way for a while. And I think that's how we got so close is that the competition was removed. And not that we ever were, we, I feel like also we were such different actors that it never felt like we would see up against each other, you know, in that way. But I mean, I was her date at the golden Globes, which she was like, it's just there.
3
That's fun. It's really fun. She was, she was on a whole thing with, oh gosh, the movie with George Clooney.
1
Oh, the Hawaii one, the, the, the, the, the descendants, yeah.
3
Descendants. They were on this whole awards world. And I was like, just had nothing to do with life. And she, I, her husband at the time was super busy as she was just like, just be my date to everything. And I was like, yeah, you know, and we'd be at these weird little cocktail parties and, you know, like alpha Cheetos or Jason. Oh, funny. And, but, but yeah, so it's just, it's kind of like, yes, girls succeed at develops, you know, I mean, she's had a great career, but she deserves even more. I mean, I went back to the moon, but I'm sure in the beginning, you know, if I drug up all the memories, there was definitely like, why, why is one person be successful versus another,
1
Oh yeah, it's completely human. I mean, you can, and two things can be true simultaneously. You can want to raw your best friend and feel, find yourself, make this false equivalence that, you know, you're, you have to compare yourself to this person. And, and, and if I'm not doing what they're doing, then I'm not successful. And yeah.
3
And she'll say this a hundred times over, and I think this is a real point is she would not be who she is without the people that she has had behind her. I mean, right from the get go, she had that manager, Chuck in Chicago at champion Mike muni, Leonard Roberts. I mean, he fought for them to become who they are and they are some of the most successful in our class. So he was a real important part to get her where she is,
1
The support, the support, like the support. So, so I think what I'm hearing is, and we talked about Gina and I also were talking this morning earlier about support. It's like, and I think it's amazing that she acknowledges that because I think it's true that like support goes a long way, a long way. And it, and, and it's not always just magic that someone's touched. I mean, it's hard work. They work their ass off and there there's a bit of luck, but there's a lot of support behind the scenes. Champions, people champion us in whatever we're doing. We find our champions and some in our class were had in my class, your class, you know, whatever had had more championing than others.
1
And that's just how I feel like that's how the world is too. I think it's hard when you're young, right. When you're young, you're just like, why am I not being for me? I'll speak for myself. Why am I not being championed? And then you learn like, oh, I'll champion myself and stuff. And then it, you really also learned that shit is not there. Like shit is just not fair. Sometimes like casting at the theater school was a lesson in shit is the opposite of fair. Yeah,
3
Absolutely. And you know, one's chosen over another or whatnot.
1
Casting is not fair. Like casting in general is like, you know, working at, I worked at a casting office in Chicago, just like, as a freelancer and like noticing. And I'm like, oh my God, this is the most random. If people knew the, the arbitrary, it's such a bizarre thing. It's just, but at the theater school, it's college and we're children and we want it to be fair because that's, we're also paying. Right. So you're paying to not to get treated unfairly. It's crazy. It's a crazy system.
3
Absolutely.
1
But you did do, I think you did at least three main stage shows. Right? You did the visit and that was at victory gardens, all that stuff.
3
Yeah. Okay. But Gina, do you know what I was in the visit? I was at a twin unit with Judy. We walked around with, oh, we were just talking about this because I was like, do you, I mean, what two girls, <inaudible>
1
Girls.
3
And we just would walk around and follow that girl, Mary, whatever her name was. And I think we had like three lines and I mean, I remember Nick bullying and I love him. I love you. Dad would get so mad at Judy and I, cause we just were like, we would just took her out. And because it was,
1
You went bonkers, like you were doing bonkers, which I thought was hilarious.
3
Oh, well we definitely were doing our own side show. And he would just be like, you're skinny. And I was like, and then he wanted us to shave our heads. This was amazing. We were like, though, we're 20 years old and this is a show. And so then he got all flustered and mad and we, so Judy had that white blonde crazy. And then I had those weird, like stunk streaks that I had just, And he was like, well, I, you, you both have to have the same dire hair brown. We went to Walgreens and we got these box brown in my nasty little studio apartment, dyed her hair, it turned purple and gray and all these like horrible fried it off.
3
We flicked it back. I have pictures. I'll send you the pictures and we have these little polar caps. And That was fantastic. So yeah, I'm in this great show, the visit as,
1
Yeah, I gotcha. Wait, where are you in more of the grease paint, smell of the crowd. Okay. Tell us about that.
3
I loved that. You know, it got a lot, it got a lot of grief, which I understand, and I, you know, you put 20 women together. There's gotta be some, some stuff, but I, it was Betsy who, again, she's, she's one of my, my, my top just, you know, in my heart. And it was fun. It was fun. And that's when I would say that Judy and I pretty much like became in sync. Like we were, and then Darryl Dickerson, who was also a really good friend of mine, she was like the sidekick for, and we just had a blast. I, you know, we went into it like, this is so silly. Why not just lean in and say, yeah, so we did.
3
So I liked that one. I was also in the women.
1
Oh, was everybody hated being in that show, every single person
3
It was recently. And we all know exactly. And it was again, 20 women and you have like three stars and then there's 15 of us just at there. I mean, there's literally photos of us just at their feet. And again, we had a hair thing. I don't know what it was just me. I think it was my way of rebellion against, but I had God platinum blonde and this like Bob or whatever. And she was livid. She was like, I cast this rule as a redhead, three lines might do. And she was already again, judge, to your point, like she was yeah.
3
Something onto me. And I was like, no. And I was like, Whitney, I don't care. I'm not dying my hair back. So they got me this wig, I look like Joan Crawford. I would walk around backstage with like wire hangers and be like, ah, it was so bad that the opening night I went and I got my hair dyed back red because the ego inmate could not go on stage with this horrendous wig. It was so, yeah. And then she had a sleep over. I just like these. Oh yeah. You never heard about the sleepover. Oh, We had a cast sleepover.
3
So again, it was like 20 women. And to my memory, I didn't have a fond experience. I am sorry if other people did, but they were not my favorite humans and I rent whatever. And so I waited tables and I said, yeah, I can't attend this sleep over. I need to make money. And I mean, she, I just, from that on out was, Hey, she just like, I think she probably had a poster in her office. I was like, I will take down this girl at any chance. I, we just, I never attended the sleepover. So sorry, I don't have any fun, like juicy stuff.
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You, you did the, you probably did the right thing. Like that was probably, you know what I mean? Like you had to do what you had to do. Well, that's what I remember about you is that you, you were a very independent person in terms of your thinking and your actions and you didn't you in my mind, my perception, you didn't just go along with the crowd. You weren't that kind of a, that kind of a gal, like you did your own thing. And I really respected that. I thought, oh, just because someone looked and it was a really good lesson for me. Like, just because someone looks a certain way and that's from Texas actually does it seriously doesn't mean that they fit a mold. And if you try to force people into molds, they rebel, you're a rebel.
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You're kind of a rebel. And I thought that was cool.
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I think it's Jayda, you'll maybe find this out with your three. I was the youngest of three and I'm a big believer in child sibling placement and who you become because of that. And so I definitely, most of it comes from being that third child, just trying to get the attention and have a voice and rebel against it all and you know,
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Yeah. Yeah. That makes a lot of sense by the way, wig may, should be the name of your solo show. That's great. Yeah. We're almost going to have to wrap up, but any other things you want to make sure you talked about or like observations or things you've learned that you're like, I would never do this again, or I would, I mean, it's interesting to me that you said you would do it again and again, because of the relationship. So it's really clear to me that your relationships in your life are super, super, the most important thing in terms of, because that was pretty, that was hell on earth a lot of times. So to do it say you do it again and again, because of the relationships, that means a lot, you know?
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Yeah. I am a relationship person that is, you know, we've all hit pretty low lows in life. And I will say when you hit those low lows and who is there for you as your, your people, your who picks you back up everything, it's, it's like, I can't imagine life without that. And if I didn't have that, where, how low would I have gone? What, you know, don't ever want to go down that, but at the same time, it's like those people. And even if, like I said, I don't talk to them, you know, daily or weekly or monthly, we all know we have each other, there's a phone, we're all a phone call away.
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That's like, Hey, and then just this, like the reconnecting. And I love it. I, you know, it's of course we have certain things I would like, I, you know, but I would never Harbor anything odd or weird about times that we were from 18 to 22, you know, it's like, we were just surviving, literally surviving. And you know, for the most part, I think we all turned out pretty darn good as humans. So maybe we're not rich and famous.
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