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What's on your mind? This whole stinking mess and where you

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fit in. I don't get you. Then I'll spell it out for you.

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Two days ago, command drops you in my lab, no reason given.

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Next thing I know, I got a half a spaceship, a six foot tall grasshopper

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and the crowd of lead on my butt. I know. It's crazy, ain't it?

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Cough it up, newshound. Who sent you? Army Intelligence.

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OSS Mike knows about this.

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Roosevelt too, right? Boy, are you off the beam?

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Sure. I had command keep you in the dark, but I came here to write

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about you. The Iron Sarge. What?

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It's true, Stone. Whether you like it or not, you're becoming a legend

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with all these GIs. I've heard you've been killed a dozen.

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Times, but you always come back. Unless you want

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your name printed on a pack of lies. You got nothing to print, Dolan.

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I'm just another dog face fighting this lousy war.

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The boss has come home.

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Come on, Dolan, let's head back. What's all this crud

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about Mittens decking Hitler? You really did. You should have seen it. Praise the

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Lord for bringing us this generous bounty.

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Just give me all the bacon and eggs you have. Wait,

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wait. I worry what you just heard. Give me a lot

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of bacon and eggs. What I said was give me all

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the bacon and eggs you have.

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Living flesh. I guess that's how citizen meal,

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huh? Bite me back on the

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menu. That's why I'm hungry.

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Each word I say, farther,

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farther into a radical.

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See your father, I'd buy that for a dollar.

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Not bad for me. Please, I'm trying to combat. Oh, look at me,

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look at me. I feel like a baby. Seem easily upset.

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I'm so hungry, Bill. I'm so

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hungry. I sweet. I never knew anyone want to be so hungry.

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What about that time I found you naked with that bowl of junk?

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Hello folks, this is me podcast. I am one of your hosts, Gary Hill.

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And this is another one of those special shows with a very

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good friend of mine. And he's here too. You may know him from the After

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Movie Diner podcast and the brand new. If you're not listening, I've mentioned it

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like multiple times on my show that you should be listening to this, the PM

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Entertainment podcast. Just killing it on there.

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Mr. John Cross. How you doing, sir? Well, hello there,

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sir. Good sir. How are you? I am fantastic. I'm raring to

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go, I'm excited and I am a podcasting fiend.

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Although the latest episode of the PM Entertainment podcast took a

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few days. It will be coming out this weekend and then we will have another

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one not on Monday, but the following Monday. It's just taken a lot out

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of me but I'm putting a lot into it so that it's meant to take

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a lot out of me. And it's, you know, it's busy all over, my friend.

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It's busy. Things are happening, people are scrambling. So you

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know, we just do what we can. But it's all good times and I'm excited

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to be here on the Cinema Beef podcast today.

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Always glad to have you, my friend. Always glad to have you.

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Yeah, we're here today do another one of our in the series of

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shows of the in the parade way thang

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if you will. We got a real banger tonight for you but plus a

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real banger of VHS pick too. Looking forward to getting to all that,

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but I'll ask my

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friend John Cross. I don't have much to say about this.

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Anything good you've been watching lately at all?

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on Bedroom Eyes one and two for

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the Direct to Video Connoisseur podcast. Should be out

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on Tuesday. So look for that. Bedroom Eyes one and two, a fascinating,

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a fascinating double bill. And I can't wait

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for people to hear that podcast because we go deep, brother. We go deep,

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deep, deep into the Bedroomize saga and

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we imagine what might have happened if bedroom eyes 3, 4,

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5 and 6 had gone forward.

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spin it off into several franchise strands.

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I. I have to ask who is in Bedroom Eyes one

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and two that of note. So Bedroom

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to push them, you know. Well, this, well, this is what's interesting about Bedroomize.

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soft core offerings. About 10 years early in terms of the,

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you know, the erotic thrillers.

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it's such a fascinating movie is it's finding its way and it

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sort of partly wants to be dressed to kill and

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tonally. It's all over the place that we

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talk a lot about the actor Kip Gilman, who is it?

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bios. Because in his IMDb bio, it's. It starts with.

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Kip Gilman. So he's in Bedroomize one. No one

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of any note. But in Bedroomize two, this is what. This is what

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storylines, they extend the. But they recast them with

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wings. Hauser and Linda Blair.

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it. Come Part two, they open the door for Part three to be recast to

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someone else. Part four to be recast to someone else. So, yeah,

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we had a field day with these two men. And. And to be honest,

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like, if you want to draw a line between Dress to Kill and then the

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kind of, you know, detective soft core shot in Hollywood,

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saxophone, heavy. They made that documentary recently, I think,

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We Kill for Love or whatever. And it was all about the rise of the

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erotic thriller in the 90s. But. But if you want to draw a direct.

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the early 90s erotic thriller. And it's a bit like In Search of Darkness.

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or one of those, like, it's kicking about. Um, but if you

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want to draw a direct line from some of like De Palma's stuff, like Body

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Double and Dress to Kill, all the way to sort of the, you know,

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the Harry Hamlin, Shannon Tweed Deceptions,

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early 90s, you have to draw a line through bedroom

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eyes one and two because they. They set it up, man. One came

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out in 84, one came out in 89. And some of

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the themes tropes and even bizarre random characters that they're playing with

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would become, you know, staples and cornerstones

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was a lot of fun to watch. Other stuff that I've watched recently, I checked

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out the early, very early Willem

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Dafoe and Judge Reinhardt Reinhold movie. So Willem

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couldn't decide whether it was meant to be set in the 50s

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or whether they just rocked up to a town in Arizona in the 80s that

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happened to only drive 50s cars. Because it was one of those movies where you

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know how like close in the 80s, early 80s. Like if you saw a guy

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in denim jeans and a leather jacket like Willem Defoe

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wears in this movie, he could be from the 50s, but he could be from

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the 80s. Do. Do you know what I mean? Like, there's some parallels there.

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of thing. Like, I don't know whether it was meant to be set in the

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50s or whether it's meant to be set now, but everyone drives around in 50s

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cars. It's set in a little Arizona dust bowl. These two guys

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rock up. Typical kind of a team scenario. There's a, a bunch

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of hoodlums and thugs who have got this town scared and just

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keep trashing things and pushing people off the highway and all this kind of

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thing. And Reinhold is like this wealthy guy

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from back east who has to put his privilege and wealth aside in

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order to tough it out with musical drifter Willem Dafoe.

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not a car chase, like a, like a, A race, you know, like a car

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race kind of thing. And they have to win the race and stuff. So it's,

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it's, it's, it's a, it's. It's a pretty fun movie. I'm not gonna say that

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it's four or five out of five. I'm gonna give it a strong three

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out of five. How about that? It's, it's worth, it's worth popping the VH in

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if you've got it handy. It's got our, our Deputy

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Bubba from World Gone Wild in it. You. You know,

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Ellen Ary, I just seen it just now. Yeah, no,

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it does. Yeah. It has a ton of recognizable character

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actors and what I would call like goon actors.

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you know, or half day players kind of thing. It's got a lot of people

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who would. You would notice as hench, you know,

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80s hench workers from the A team or from action movies.

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You know what I mean? Totally, totally, totally. Yeah. I just

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looked it up. I, I kind of got to check this out now because just

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for the, the, the, the 80s, because he was doing a lot of that stuff,

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like the Nameless, I think was a big one back in those days for him.

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The love. The Loveless. I'm sorry, the, the biker

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movie he's in. Yeah. And then of course, Streets of Fire is like that.

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You don't know what time and place is in, but they got like Studebakers

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and like old, old motorcycles and stuff, you know? Yeah.

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rockabilly as well. But then I. I don't know, like,

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there was definitely people in the movie dressed as if they were in the 80s,

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so I couldn't. Like, there was definitely things in the movie where I'm like,

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this is not the 50s. So I could just. I couldn't figure it out.

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Apart from that, what else can I say that I watched. I finally got round

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to watching Heretic, slightly bit of a newer one that I hadn't

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seen. So I got round to watching that again. That was

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good. Yes, it lived up to its height, but I can't say it went much

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further than that. It sort of lived up to its hype. And I'm like,

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okay, I get why everyone's, you know, going wackadoo over this

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movie. It was a. It was a three and a half, four star.

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Maybe for me, I'm not gonna say it hit. Hit it out of

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the park. Exactly. But then I'm a. I'm a grumpy old dude. I've seen a

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lot of horror movies, so you have to, you have to do something pretty different

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to, to, you know, get me all surprised and excited.

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But Hugh Grant was pleasing enough and the setup

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was very typical. And, you know, you've, you've seen it

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before, but maybe you haven't seen it in the last, you know, 20 years.

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So, you know, it was a little refreshing because it had Hugh Grant and came

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at it with a slightly modern eye. But in general it was, you know,

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we've seen it before, but they did it nicely kind of thing. You know what

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I mean? Did we talk about the Hugo Renaissance that I love so

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much? I, I forget now, but it's, I'm loving the Hugh Grant

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Renaissance of him just being in things and being like devious and like

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these small side roles to where he's just like, he shows up

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and you're like, yeah, this movie immediately got better because Hugh Grant's,

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you know, livid it up. But like, in a small way, you know.

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Oh, no, I think, I think we have Paddington

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2 to thank 110% for the

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Hugh Grant Renaissance. While, yes, I know he did movies before

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Paddington 2 that would fall into the Hugh Grant renaissance,

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I honestly say, just because Paddington 2,

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as we learned from the Nick Cage film, the Unbearable Weight of Enormous

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Talent, as we learned from that movie, Paddington 2 is one of the best three

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movies that have ever been made and that it is perfect and that it will

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reduce Pedro Pascal and Nick Cage to tears.

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And I think because of Hugh Grant's turn in that, I really

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do think that carried a lot of good favor for him. And as he then

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went out into his Renaissance years, I'm in agreement with you, sir. Put Hugh Grant

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in more things. I'd missed him on the big screen. And, you know,

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if you ever see Paddington 2, I'm going to talk about something else related to

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Paddington 2. It is a film in which our raincoated

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bear gets falsely accused of a crime perpetrated

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by Hugh Grant, of all people, and goes to prison and

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teaches the prisoners how to make marmalade. It gets very singy. And if

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you can't enjoy this, I don't want to be. Okay. You know.

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Right, yeah, I'm with you.

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No, I mean, seriously. And it's, it's, it's funny because

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that clip from Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent with Pedro Pascal

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and Nick cage crying over Paddington 2 has been doing the rounds

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again recently. Listen, I mean, I honestly have to say

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to people, if you watch Paddington 2 and you don't like Paddington 2,

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I'm not sure you're human. Like, I'm not sure that

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the things that function, that make us anything more than,

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you know, scurrying backwards,

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hunchback animals are even in place for

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you because Paddington 2 is one of the most creatively

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brilliant, artistically satisfying,

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emotionally roller coastery.

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It's, it's. Paddington 2 is an

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absolute phenomenon. And it, it reminds me,

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I tell you, how good Paddington 2 is.

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So good that it reminds me of the first three muppet. Movies.

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You know how, like, the first three Muppet movies, they're untouchable. They're,

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like, just so phenomenally good. You just, like Jim Henson and

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Frank Oz, immediately become like gods in

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your house when you see the Muppet Movie for the first time. And then when

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you see Muppets, Tank Manhattan and Great Muppet Cape, you're just like, oh,

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they can do no wrong. Oh, clearly, clearly. Like, whatever the Muppets do going forward

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is gonna be fantastic. That was until, of course, Disney took them over and diluted

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the brand. But Anyway, the first three Muppet movies are perfection.

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Same with Paddington 2. It's on that level.

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That's how much I like Paddington 2. It's. It's up there with a Muppet

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movie. And that. That is high praise for me. Indeed. You would say

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they're getting standing ovations, perhaps. You know, come on now.

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Right, Exactly. I think it's fantastic.

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And yeah, so, yeah, big fan of the Pat franchise.

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Heretic. I just saw,

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again, I'd seen these movies before, but I just saw Cujo and Grizzly on

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the big screen at my buddy Scary Larry's CT cult classic screening

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in Seymour, Connecticut every other month. If you are within the New

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England area, I would strongly recommend traveling every other month.

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We do an awesome double bill run by my friend Scary

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Larry. I'm going to be on his podcast on Monday night talking about Dr.

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Jekyll and Mrs. Hyde or whatever the name of the movie. The Hammer Horror Jekyll

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and Hyde story. I'm gonna be talking about that.

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I was on talking about the

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Devil. Devil worshiping one. And I'm gonna forget the name. Not to the devil or

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Daughter. The other Hammer horror movie, the really good one with Nick.

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With Christopher Lee. The Devil Rides Out.

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The Devil Rides Out. I was on. Yeah, I was on Scary Larry

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and it's the Pint Popcorn. It's the Pinterest pop

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culture podcast that occasionally

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does Scary Larry episodes. And the Scary Larry episodes

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are all covering Hammer horror films at the moment. And I'm gonna be the guest

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on those. So we did the Devil Rides Out.

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Fantastic episode. Check out the Pint pop culture podcast. And then

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we are going to be covering Dr. Jacqueline. It's either Ms.

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Hyde, Mrs. Hide or Ms. Hide. I forget.

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Okay, cool. I. I was thinking Dr.

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Jekyll and Sister Hyde. That. That's the one I was thinking about. But that's not

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a Hammer Horror Sister. No, no, it is Dr. Jekyll and SisterHeight. You're Right.

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That's the Hamahara one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's.

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That's Hammer. I thought that was like Roger Corman stuff, like AIP

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stuff. No, you're right. It's Dr. Jekyll and Sister Hyde. The one that is

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Dr. Jekyll and Miz Hyde is the one with Sean Young

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in it from the 80s. I enjoy that movie I watched in

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so long, but they play it in cable so much back in the day.

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And it's from 1995, not the 80s. I'm getting everything wrong

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today. I'm sorry, I'm getting everything wrong. I'm doing Dr. Jekyll and Sister

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Height on Monday night. And Dr. Jekyll and Ms. Hyde is a

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movie with Sean Young from the 90s, also starring Lizette Anthony

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from soft core erotic Harry Hamlin thriller Save

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Me, which I covered on the Director Video Connoisseur podcast.

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Last time we did some erotic thrillers.

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And she's in Crawl as well, you know, if you want to go non

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stop core stuff. You know, she's also in Without. Without.

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Without a Clue, dude. With Michael Caine and Ben Kingsley.

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Yes. That's film I still got to watch that you recommended a

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while ago. I haven't checked it out yet. It's there. Yeah.

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Oh, my gosh. And back to my watches.

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Speaking of Paddington too, I watched Paddington in Peru

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and guess what? Big spoilers. It was delightful.

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Okay, if you don't know

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the plot to Paddy in Peru, Pack, this aunt gets

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lost. You know, Paddy has to go to Peru to go find her

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with the. With the family in tow and. And crazy,

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jaunty, charismatic as flock shipboat

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captain Antonio Banderas. And if that

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don't turn you on, I don't know what does. It just. It's just. It's great.

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Yeah, I saw it in the theater. It's.

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It's certainly the weakest of the three and could do with some pacing type,

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you know, tune ups, but it's at it at its core.

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You are 100, right, Garrett? It is a delight.

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And I loved everything about it when they

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did the little musical number with Olivia Colman,

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which I won't spoil for people because I'm just gonna say there's a musical number.

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You and me, Gary, know what it's referencing and know what it's parodying,

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but I'm not going to spoil it for anybody. When they did that, I was

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like, oh, are they gonna do little musical numbers throughout the movie?

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Because I really wanted, like, the Antonio Banderas musical number

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and stuff. And I know, they did other stuff with Antonio Banderas with like,

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his relatives and stuff. Again, I'm not going to give anything away. I'm just going

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to say relatives and, and move on, which was also a lot of fun.

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But I could have totally gone for two or

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three musical numbers throughout the movie that, that would have, like, if they decided to

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just go full blown musical with it, I would have been very happy.

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It was truly. He was truly a highlight of the movie, though. And that's,

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that's what they give Paddington is that the first,

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the first three that we got so far has. Has a

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trio of solid, you know, villains, you know, because he becomes

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kind of villain the movie. That's the only spoiler I'll give you. But he,

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he has a redemption arc. You get Nicole Kidman in the first one

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who just wants to murder Paddington and stuff. Him. Yeah. You get

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Hugh Grant in the second one and he gets a cameo

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in this one. It's hilarious. Yeah. And you get, you get Antonio

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Banderas in this one. So again, these are all good reasons

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to watch the Paddington series if you haven't done it yet, you know.

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Oh, I hope they make 20 of them.

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Oh, my gosh. Yeah, that first one gets kind of dark. I'm like, man,

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this, this is just a kids movie. She wants to kill Paddington. What's up with

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this? Yeah, yeah. But I also.

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Like. What I absolutely adore

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about the Paddington films is that they give,

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especially the second one and then the first and third one.

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The first and third one give Julie Waters as like the mad

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Scottish grandmother a chance to kick ass. And her kicking

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ass is like my favorite thing. It's like everyone loves

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Daniel Craig as Bond. The only thing I love truly

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in the Daniel Craig Bond movies is Judi Dench

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and Albert Finney kicking ass at the end of Skyfall.

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I just want Finney and Dench, like, that's all I care about is like,

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Finney and Dench making, like, fake bombs out of light bulbs and kicking ass and

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shit. While the same with Paddington. Julie Waters, like,

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in the first one and in the third one especially, she, she's like a

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badass Scottish grandmother. But then also Hugh Bonneville,

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especially in the second one, gets to like, pop out his,

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like, daddy cool Persona. Oh, man, that is such a fucking joy.

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Him with the, the motorbike and the hair and

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the sideburns and the throwing the coconut husk. Ah, that's.

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That's a joy, my friend. So, yeah, whenever they give, like,

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you know, dumpy old English actors a chance to, like, Be badass,

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but still retain their like, dumpy English.

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And I, I mean that in a lovely way. And a lovely kind of cuddly,

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weird, old, you know, tea in the afternoon type character

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actors, when they give them the chance to like, kick ass,

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I'm very happy. You know what I mean? It always cheers me up.

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I mean, Helen Mirren, she's having this, like,

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this kick ass renaissance. She's always been kind of great, but you know, the Red

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series, she'll have more active role in the next Best of the Furious

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movie. If you're not watching Mobland, you should. I said this in the last episode.

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She's just devious as on Mobland.

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She's having that like, old lady kick ass renaissance too.

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And I'm kind of, I love her anyway, but I love even more now,

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you know? Yeah, look at the, look at the insane wave

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of support that there is for Pierce Brosnan to come back as like,

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old man Bond. Hey, I'll even throw Timothy Dalton in there

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after Hot Fuzz. That man can still fucking kick ass, dude. Can you

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imagine T Dolt coming back? That would be awesome.

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Yeah. You talked about Craig in the Bond films.

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He does get these odd roles. And I, I love Knives

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out and I Love, I love Ms. Bond. He's not my favorite Bond. I think

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the honor still goes to Roger Moore for that. For me, be my favorite Bond

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just because it got so campy. Maybe that's why I love

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it so much. But not only that, but like Mole would just

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walk around in like a blazer and, you know,

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beige pants, dress pants, and just like knock motherfuckers

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off the top of buildings or kick cars off Greek rocks or whatever.

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He was like campy and badass at the same

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time, you know, like, he'd be, he'd be in dress shoes, like running

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over the roofs of Tunisia. Just like, there's something amazing about this.

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He was such a 70s, early 80s. He was so the

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perfect bond for those two decades. You know what I mean? I,

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I love Roger Mo. He's the best. But if you told me that, you know,

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because I, I, I saw Logan looking for the, you know, when I saw it,

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you know that I needed a, a, a hillbilly Daniel

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Craig in my life. I, I, I would have lied to you and said,

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what, what's that gonna sound like? But, you know, it has become my favorite Daniel

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Craig. Is his role as Joe Bang and Logan lucky.

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It's just, it's just spectacular. And the film itself

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has become like comfort food to me. I watch it many times.

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I love that. No, I'm not anti Craig. I just felt

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that, you know, his Bond, his run of Bond

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films bothered me intensely because on

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one hand they tried to claim they were telling like the whole,

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all his whole series was like all one big story, which it

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just wasn't. Like his character keeps changing and

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the realities of his character keep changing. And you know, and then on

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the other hand, they tried to throw in all this arbitrary fan

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service, which I'm like, look, the Bond, the Bond franchise

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has been running long enough that you don't need to do fan service. Making a

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Bond film, period, is fan service. You don't need to start whipping

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in. We don't need to see Blofeld again. And Blofeld certainly doesn't have to be

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Bond's brother. Like, it's just stop, like, stop it now.

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Put the pen down. Step away from the typewriter. Whatever it is,

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just, just, just stop it. Enough is enough. However, if you're

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going to cast T. Dalt as like old grumpy Bond and give him his Logan

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moment, or Pierce Brosnan as old grumpy Bond and give him his

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Wolverine logo Logan moment, I'm, I'm all over that shit.

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I would love some, like, I would love some one off Bond stories

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that don't have to be about anything other than, you know,

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whatever mission and, or, you know,

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they've already done License to Kill where he goes rogue and goes like, beats up

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on Mexican drug lords. Why can't they do a movie where he's old,

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retired at home and he has to go like one last thing,

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like, you know what I mean? Like they do that shit, they did that shit

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with Rambo. Like you can do that shit with Bond. Come on now, let's have

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some imagination. The only thing that frightens me is that Blofeld,

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a real life Blofeld, the actual Blofeld,

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now owns Bond. That's the problem. And I don't know if people have realized

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this, but like Drax from Moonraker is Musk

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from SpaceX and Bezos is

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Blofeld. Like there's too many similarities there. And to be

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honest, quite honestly, I don't see a Bond in, I certainly don't

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see a Bond in beige pants and a blue blazer stepping

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out of a fancy Aston Martin to beat the, out of anybody yet.

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So. But yeah, it's terrifying that the real life Blofeld

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now owns Bond, but let's see, give, give Pierce Brosnan

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another chance. Why the not it's popular thing, you know,

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Letting you know the, the old guys do their thing and, you know,

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come back and. Yeah, you know, just, just,

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just, you know, when I thought I was out, they, they sucked me back in

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00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:11,760
kind of stuff. Yeah, dude, I would watch a sequel to the Dangerous that

444
00:29:12,260 --> 00:29:14,800
we're going to be talking about later. I would watch a sequel of that now.

445
00:29:15,300 --> 00:29:18,960
Both Parade and Davi are still with us. Let's make it happen. Anyway,

446
00:29:19,460 --> 00:29:22,880
what else have you been watching, sir? Sorry to keep interrupting. No, you're okay.

447
00:29:23,380 --> 00:29:26,120
This is the, this is Tangent. Me and me. You in a nutshell.

448
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,240
Besides the new thing that I watch, there's lots of stuff I

449
00:29:30,740 --> 00:29:35,160
could be watching, but I. I've been prepping for this 1993

450
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:40,160
show with, with the Land of the Creeps podcast. Horror podcast.

451
00:29:40,660 --> 00:29:44,200
Could go go check them out and I've been watching a lot of 93 stuff.

452
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,320
Other stuff that I watched. Speaking of Dahvie, Mania Cop 3

453
00:29:48,820 --> 00:29:52,160
Badge of Silence, not the best of

454
00:29:52,660 --> 00:29:56,360
the series. My man Charlie Bad adjacent,

455
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,600
the guy that plays Mr. Sumatra in the.

456
00:30:00,100 --> 00:30:01,400
And the Shrunken Heads movie,

457
00:30:02,390 --> 00:30:06,310
reactivates Matt Cordell with voodoo and

458
00:30:06,810 --> 00:30:10,310
he comes back to help a young female cop who's kind of getting a

459
00:30:10,810 --> 00:30:14,390
bad rap like he used to get. And so I, I forget

460
00:30:14,890 --> 00:30:17,909
how, how this film goes, that there's. I remember there's a heart paddle kill.

461
00:30:17,910 --> 00:30:20,950
He. He makes somebody explode with a heart paddle thing.

462
00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:25,270
And. Well, it's predominantly set in a hospital, isn't it? A hospital?

463
00:30:25,430 --> 00:30:29,070
Yeah. But the main thing I remember is the end is the

464
00:30:29,570 --> 00:30:33,400
most gangster thing I ever seen in my life is where Dabi lights

465
00:30:33,900 --> 00:30:37,320
a cigarette off of a burning Matt Cordell in this movie.

466
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:42,040
Yes, it's pretty, it's pretty gangster, this movie,

467
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:46,040
you know? Yeah, no, it has two great sequences. It has the,

468
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:50,160
the Robert Forster cameo scene, which is hands down the

469
00:30:50,660 --> 00:30:53,560
best scene in the middle of the movie. Robert Forster just killing it. You just

470
00:30:54,060 --> 00:30:58,330
wish, like all of a sudden, out of nowhere, it becomes like

471
00:30:58,650 --> 00:31:02,170
a Larry Cohen masterclass in how to write a completely

472
00:31:02,670 --> 00:31:06,290
ludicrous scene in the middle of your movie with Robert Forster,

473
00:31:06,790 --> 00:31:10,770
one of your favorite actors, just showing up for a day's work. And then the

474
00:31:11,270 --> 00:31:15,250
car, the car stunts at the end with the guy

475
00:31:15,750 --> 00:31:19,410
literally driving the car while on fire. That's those, those which,

476
00:31:19,910 --> 00:31:23,250
by the way, that. Speaking of Sparrow Rosados the other week for the PM

477
00:31:23,750 --> 00:31:26,750
Entertainment podcast, I have a story on there about that stunt.

478
00:31:26,990 --> 00:31:31,150
That stunt almost went horribly, horribly wrong.

479
00:31:31,390 --> 00:31:32,670
That car basically.

480
00:31:35,950 --> 00:31:38,430
Go ahead, dude, I said I can imagine.

481
00:31:39,230 --> 00:31:43,070
Yeah, no, it. That car basically almost Got loose

482
00:31:43,470 --> 00:31:46,590
and rolled into a whole pile of gas canister.

483
00:31:47,150 --> 00:31:50,270
It didn't, thankfully, but yeah, it was.

484
00:31:50,350 --> 00:31:53,830
It was touch and go there for a minute. That stunt did not go particularly

485
00:31:54,330 --> 00:31:58,190
well, but fair play to Sparrow trying to. Trying to make it

486
00:31:58,690 --> 00:32:00,830
happen. And they got enough of it on film to use it for the.

487
00:32:00,910 --> 00:32:04,030
For the movie. So I'm sure that's all Luster cared about.

488
00:32:06,990 --> 00:32:10,310
I rewatched a lot of stuff. Body Melt, I have watched a

489
00:32:10,810 --> 00:32:14,590
long time, so we watched Body Melt. Great Australian film

490
00:32:14,750 --> 00:32:17,550
about health food that freaking melts people.

491
00:32:18,590 --> 00:32:21,070
Yes, all good.

492
00:32:22,140 --> 00:32:25,700
Great sequels in 93. I watched. I watched. I like a need

493
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,180
excuse to rewatch Shows of the Corn, too. If you don't know there.

494
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,780
There's an actual Wicked Witch of the west kill in this film,

495
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,020
and it's delightful.

496
00:32:37,580 --> 00:32:41,420
What else? There's. I'll just name things off here.

497
00:32:41,820 --> 00:32:45,820
Return Liberty, Dead three. The. The Romeo and Juliet one. That. That's always

498
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,590
enjoyable with excellent makeup on. Mindy Clark.

499
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:53,950
All practical. Just scarred this. I'd imagine how

500
00:32:54,450 --> 00:32:56,310
long it took to apply. I would love. I would love to listen to.

501
00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:59,950
I think the commentary exists on the Blu Ray that I do not own.

502
00:33:00,450 --> 00:33:03,309
So I'm gonna fix that problem. Also,

503
00:33:03,809 --> 00:33:06,550
they went bold with it. They were like, what if we have an actually hot

504
00:33:07,050 --> 00:33:09,830
zombie? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And she is.

505
00:33:10,470 --> 00:33:14,070
She's up, but she's. She's hot. She's got that going for her, you know?

506
00:33:14,730 --> 00:33:17,850
Yeah, she's. She's definitely got some hot stuff going on.

507
00:33:18,490 --> 00:33:21,970
And a favorite of both of ours, Man's Best Friend. I watched

508
00:33:22,470 --> 00:33:26,530
that for this show because, like I said, not gonna look at any excuse to

509
00:33:27,030 --> 00:33:30,850
watch. John Lafayette directed, the guy that made those

510
00:33:31,350 --> 00:33:33,850
latter Child's Play sequels. Yeah.

511
00:33:34,490 --> 00:33:37,850
About a genetically enhanced dog that eats cats and

512
00:33:38,350 --> 00:33:40,650
stuff. And, you know, you can't help but laugh at that a little bit,

513
00:33:40,940 --> 00:33:44,460
you know? Is that the one with Lance Hendrickson and Ali Sheedy?

514
00:33:44,860 --> 00:33:48,620
Yes, that is the. Yes. I have that on vhs. Not in the

515
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,060
store, but I have that at home on vhs. It's one of my favorites.

516
00:33:52,380 --> 00:33:55,780
Dude, Henriksen Sheedy, killer dog. Who doesn't fucking

517
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,780
love that shit? That's. That's. That's top three shit right there.

518
00:33:59,740 --> 00:34:03,020
There's stuff I got to get to do. I mean, we talked

519
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:07,160
about. I talked on the last show with Mike White about Andrew Hickox, and he

520
00:34:07,660 --> 00:34:11,560
did a. A werewolf film for HBO that I've

521
00:34:12,060 --> 00:34:16,080
seen many times that might make my list called Full Eclipse with

522
00:34:16,580 --> 00:34:19,920
Patsy Kensett and Mario Van Peebles and

523
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,240
that Was. The rough, though,

524
00:34:24,740 --> 00:34:28,280
man. Patsy Kensit's rough. Like, it's. It's difficult to sit through a Kenset movie.

525
00:34:28,780 --> 00:34:31,280
You wish she would get better, but she kind of never gets better.

526
00:34:33,470 --> 00:34:36,590
It's more of a Marvin People's film though. But it's.

527
00:34:36,750 --> 00:34:40,390
It's back when HBO being. Being cool, I had this whole discussion with somebody

528
00:34:40,890 --> 00:34:44,510
about, you know, where you got stuff like Cast Deadly Spell and Witch

529
00:34:45,010 --> 00:34:48,189
Hunt and Lightning Jack with.

530
00:34:48,689 --> 00:34:52,550
With Paul Hogan and Cuba Gooding Jr. Is delightful

531
00:34:53,050 --> 00:34:56,350
to watch. What's another. Oh, the Cherokee Kid with Sinbad.

532
00:34:56,750 --> 00:35:00,110
That film needs a resurgence too. I. I had a good time with the early

533
00:35:00,610 --> 00:35:03,000
HBO movies. Oh, my gosh.

534
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,680
So, yeah, I mean, Hickox, of course, started off with our

535
00:35:08,180 --> 00:35:12,120
boy Bruce Campbell doing Wax work. Wax Work 2 and Sundown, Vampire and Retreat.

536
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,720
That. I mean, that's. Then he did Hellraiser 3. I mean, talk about,

537
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,160
you know, coming out the gate hot, man, with those

538
00:35:19,660 --> 00:35:22,760
four movies. I mean, Hickox is working. I mean,

539
00:35:23,260 --> 00:35:26,800
in this year alone, he did Full Eclipse, he did Warlock to

540
00:35:27,300 --> 00:35:30,510
the Armageddon and he did one more that I forget

541
00:35:31,010 --> 00:35:34,550
what else that he made, but I think there was one more. But there was

542
00:35:35,050 --> 00:35:38,430
a time where Hickoks is working a lot and. Yeah,

543
00:35:39,310 --> 00:35:42,950
but what I'm about for. For 93 is which

544
00:35:43,450 --> 00:35:46,990
board 2. The Devil's Doorway I haven't watched in a long time, but I remember

545
00:35:47,230 --> 00:35:50,670
liking it just as much as the first one, if not

546
00:35:51,170 --> 00:35:54,750
better. But. Yeah, but Kevin kept two

547
00:35:55,610 --> 00:36:00,010
Wishboard two with Amy Dolan's. And Lorraine

548
00:36:00,510 --> 00:36:04,330
Newman plays the psychic lady in the movie. Yeah. Aren't they like

549
00:36:04,830 --> 00:36:08,090
a hundred witchboard movies? Or is that the. Is that Witchcraft?

550
00:36:08,730 --> 00:36:12,010
That's witchcraft. That's Witchcraft. Yeah.

551
00:36:12,650 --> 00:36:16,330
They have like 17 of them or something. Or. And probably

552
00:36:16,830 --> 00:36:20,290
counting. Oh, but yeah,

553
00:36:20,790 --> 00:36:24,230
93 is going to be. It's gonna be rough. I gotta pick five. And 93

554
00:36:24,730 --> 00:36:28,270
has some. Has some bangers in there, which made it bangers of some

555
00:36:28,770 --> 00:36:31,590
people. But, you know. Well, let's have a look. What did.

556
00:36:31,750 --> 00:36:35,070
What did PM Entertainment do in 93? Let's check it out. What have you

557
00:36:35,570 --> 00:36:38,950
got to pick? Oh, it has to be horror, right? Has to be horror.

558
00:36:40,070 --> 00:36:43,510
But still, PM had to be busy in 93. They had to be.

559
00:36:43,990 --> 00:36:46,470
Oh, they did. I mean, if you want to pick. I don't know if they

560
00:36:46,970 --> 00:36:50,380
allow sci fi to be like, horror adjacent, but PM Entertainment

561
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,620
did do Alien Intruder with Billy Dee Williams, Jeff Conaway

562
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:59,420
and Maxwell Caulfield in 1993. That's beautiful.

563
00:37:02,060 --> 00:37:06,580
Oh, my gosh. But yeah, Today we're

564
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:11,140
gonna talk about two films. Of course, our parade pick is the dangerous

565
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,580
from 1995. And we're both, we're both psyched.

566
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,860
Talk about this. Directed by Rod Hewitt and written by it,

567
00:37:22,100 --> 00:37:26,340
Zone Troopers is our VHS pick from 1985

568
00:37:26,900 --> 00:37:30,460
to 10 years before that and directed by Danny

569
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,500
Bilson, who did a whole bunch of stuff and starring most of

570
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,620
the cast of Transfers. So me and John are all over this,

571
00:37:37,700 --> 00:37:39,940
guys. Okay. It's all I'll say about that.

572
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,280
Yeah. I mean, again, I don't think. I don't. I don't think we've

573
00:37:45,780 --> 00:37:49,360
had a rough parade pick yet. But the

574
00:37:49,860 --> 00:37:53,360
fact that every parade pick and in fact every VHS

575
00:37:53,860 --> 00:37:57,080
pick so far has been so top

576
00:37:57,580 --> 00:38:00,520
level and so good and so enjoyable.

577
00:38:01,240 --> 00:38:05,160
Like, I'm wondering when the fall's coming because so far I'm just climbing up

578
00:38:05,660 --> 00:38:08,040
that hill and I'm happy. Every time I put a parade movie in.

579
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:14,200
I got a question. Were you aware, and I was thinking about possibly adding

580
00:38:14,700 --> 00:38:17,840
this to a repertoire, that there's a television show.

581
00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:22,800
Oh, what is it? I forget what it's called now. But of course Parade

582
00:38:23,300 --> 00:38:26,600
has. I mean, of course Michael Beck has a cowboy hat on in

583
00:38:27,100 --> 00:38:30,320
which Michael Pere and Michael Beck are. Are cops

584
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,640
in a TV show in Texas.

585
00:38:37,050 --> 00:38:41,010
I was not aware, but I will happily watch some of the episodes if it

586
00:38:41,510 --> 00:38:44,250
gets to the point where we need to do that for the parade way.

587
00:38:44,570 --> 00:38:47,850
No, it's, it's fine. I just. I just was thinking like.

588
00:38:48,350 --> 00:38:51,650
Yeah, might discuss that one day, you know, in episode two

589
00:38:52,150 --> 00:38:55,050
here and there. Definitely. Why not?

590
00:38:55,550 --> 00:38:58,570
Yeah, yeah. Zone Troopers is, is the,

591
00:38:59,300 --> 00:39:03,260
the great. Made by the great Empire Studios, of course. Charlie Band

592
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,220
driven. Very, very, very Italian in nature.

593
00:39:08,580 --> 00:39:11,940
Zone Troopers very look forward to talking about that. That World

594
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,820
War II gem that doesn't get enough love.

595
00:39:17,300 --> 00:39:20,540
But we'll start with, with how do

596
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:22,940
we do this? Like it's been a while since John. Do we do the VHS

597
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,620
pick first or the prairie first? I forgot that works.

598
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,720
I don't know, but I think we do the parade one first. All right.

599
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:36,480
It's the special time of the show again, you know, where me and John get

600
00:39:36,980 --> 00:39:40,200
all misty eyed for multiple co ops in this

601
00:39:40,700 --> 00:39:44,560
movie. In my opinion. But one dreamy eyed fella to

602
00:39:45,060 --> 00:39:48,800
where we get so excited we feel a little tingling in our tum tums

603
00:39:49,300 --> 00:39:53,030
and we get in the parade way. We're in the

604
00:39:53,530 --> 00:39:57,230
paradeway every

605
00:39:57,310 --> 00:40:00,630
night and every day. I don't care what

606
00:40:01,130 --> 00:40:05,070
you say, we're not listening anyway.

607
00:40:08,750 --> 00:40:15,590
Gary and Sean, we won't get along are

608
00:40:16,090 --> 00:40:18,610
in the parade way. Okay, okay.

609
00:40:19,810 --> 00:40:23,570
It's a game that we have to play. We both of my

610
00:40:23,890 --> 00:40:26,210
friends. This is how we stay.

611
00:40:27,730 --> 00:40:31,650
I don't know how better to be made so

612
00:40:32,150 --> 00:40:35,090
I wouldn't show that Gary is gone.

613
00:40:35,410 --> 00:40:38,970
But when it's

614
00:40:39,470 --> 00:40:40,210
a paradeway,

615
00:40:49,580 --> 00:40:53,420
the parade pick of the show is the dangerous from 1995.

616
00:40:54,460 --> 00:40:58,380
Your cheap plot synopsis is this. Brother and sister ninja

617
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,500
warriors get revenge for their sister's death by killing the drug dealers

618
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,340
in New Orleans. The police enlist the help of biker warrior of

619
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,180
a biker warrior to solve the crime. The head drug

620
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,940
dealer stirs the pot even further by hiring Cajun warriors to

621
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,980
kill those who he believes are responsible for the death of their dealers.

622
00:41:19,260 --> 00:41:21,820
The Cajun warriors. We'll talk about them. But yeah,

623
00:41:21,980 --> 00:41:25,660
it's, it's. Yeah, it's, it's. It's so it's multi level.

624
00:41:25,980 --> 00:41:28,060
Everybody. It's multi leveled.

625
00:41:31,340 --> 00:41:34,540
We get Robert Dahby in this film as, as Davalos.

626
00:41:34,620 --> 00:41:38,460
I guess they realize his name so they're calling Davalos in this movie. That's fine.

627
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,680
Michael Perret as random. That's not, that's not

628
00:41:43,180 --> 00:41:47,720
who he is. That's the name. That is his name in this movie. John Savage.

629
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,120
Who is Emil Lautrek in

630
00:41:51,620 --> 00:41:56,600
this movie? The legendary, the legendary Joel Gray plays

631
00:41:57,100 --> 00:42:01,040
a hobo who lives in a trunk apparently named Flea. We'll get

632
00:42:01,540 --> 00:42:05,280
into that. Elliot Gould as Levine. He was acting these

633
00:42:05,780 --> 00:42:10,190
things back in these days. The legendary Asian henchman Shang

634
00:42:10,690 --> 00:42:14,550
Tsung himself carry Hiroyuki Tagawa.

635
00:42:15,030 --> 00:42:18,550
You know him from many things that require

636
00:42:19,050 --> 00:42:22,470
an Asian heavy Showdown of Tokyo. So many things

637
00:42:22,629 --> 00:42:26,630
he. He's in. Although I think a film like Showdown of Tokyo

638
00:42:26,870 --> 00:42:30,390
has them all. Perhaps he has all the Asian henchmen.

639
00:42:30,630 --> 00:42:33,990
There were 90s of 90s in that film. Perhaps I don't

640
00:42:34,490 --> 00:42:36,730
even know. There's so many of them recognizable.

641
00:42:39,210 --> 00:42:42,170
Paula Barbary as Paula, I guess you know,

642
00:42:43,130 --> 00:42:46,530
same name. Juan Fernandez is an actor

643
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:49,650
I've seen in many, many things too. I just. Again, one of those actors.

644
00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:53,410
I. I can't tell where I've seen him but I could say I've seen him

645
00:42:53,910 --> 00:42:55,850
in like 12 things. As Tito,

646
00:42:57,370 --> 00:43:00,690
Sammy Nakamura as. As Carrie's

647
00:43:01,190 --> 00:43:04,710
sister Akiko. And that's about where we're stopped right

648
00:43:05,210 --> 00:43:09,630
there. This is directed by Rod

649
00:43:10,130 --> 00:43:13,590
Hewitt and written is by him as well. Didn't do

650
00:43:14,090 --> 00:43:17,510
a whole lot as far as like directing stuff. He wrote

651
00:43:18,010 --> 00:43:21,710
some stuff including this movie too. But directed

652
00:43:22,270 --> 00:43:25,990
stuff of note. Let's find out now. What is Blue Devil?

653
00:43:26,490 --> 00:43:28,910
Blue Devil Is it any good or not? We're gonna find out right now.

654
00:43:29,630 --> 00:43:33,470
No, nothing, nothing, Nothing really is of note. I mean,

655
00:43:33,630 --> 00:43:37,350
he's worked with Davy before and he works with Michael

656
00:43:37,850 --> 00:43:41,390
Perret again on a film called Strip

657
00:43:41,890 --> 00:43:45,790
Search, which also has Pam Greer in it. So we

658
00:43:46,290 --> 00:43:50,590
might be doing a Rod Hewitt movie again on the Parade podcast. Because Michael

659
00:43:51,090 --> 00:43:54,830
Perret and Pam Grier in a Rod Hewitt film called Strip Search.

660
00:43:55,150 --> 00:43:59,710
Dude, that's. If that isn't up street, I don't. Know what is

661
00:44:00,210 --> 00:44:02,750
definitely up our street. And I'm, I'm sure we're going to get to it for

662
00:44:03,250 --> 00:44:06,790
sure because that, that's, that's right up our alley, much like this film right

663
00:44:07,290 --> 00:44:10,990
here. So I'll start

664
00:44:11,490 --> 00:44:15,110
with you, John, because I'm not saying you're more excited about this film than I

665
00:44:15,610 --> 00:44:19,150
was, but you know, when we first read the synopsis on the last episode,

666
00:44:19,470 --> 00:44:22,710
we were like, this is a movie and it just sounds

667
00:44:23,210 --> 00:44:26,930
amazing. And for, from our private talks, it doesn't sound like

668
00:44:27,570 --> 00:44:31,410
you were disappointed. All in this film that gets a 4.0

669
00:44:31,910 --> 00:44:35,570
on IMDb and that's unfair. But oh yeah. So first

670
00:44:36,070 --> 00:44:39,250
of all, IMDb and people reviewing this movie,

671
00:44:39,890 --> 00:44:42,810
go fuck yourselves. Seriously, go like,

672
00:44:43,310 --> 00:44:47,050
fuck off with this 4.4.0 out

673
00:44:47,550 --> 00:44:51,170
of 10 bullshit. This is at

674
00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:54,810
least an 8 out of 10. At least, at least.

675
00:44:55,310 --> 00:44:58,690
I could push it higher, but. But it's at least an 8 out of 10

676
00:44:59,190 --> 00:45:03,290
and I'll tell you why. Because this shit surprises you every step

677
00:45:03,790 --> 00:45:06,410
of the way. And I'm going to lay it down. So first of all,

678
00:45:06,730 --> 00:45:10,010
it's 4 out of 10 on IMDb. It surprises you by not

679
00:45:10,510 --> 00:45:14,010
being shit. It surprises you by being excellent. But beyond that,

680
00:45:14,170 --> 00:45:17,620
it surprises you some other ways. It looks the business for,

681
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:22,100
for a straight to video action movie with,

682
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:26,140
you know, B movie legends like Michael Perret and Robert Davy.

683
00:45:26,300 --> 00:45:30,140
It looks the business, it's completely bizarre because the only person

684
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:34,780
attached to this movie that could have maybe done anything towards

685
00:45:34,860 --> 00:45:38,180
like supplying the budget that it clearly

686
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:42,220
has because it's filmed in New Orleans or certainly there's a lot of it filmed

687
00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:46,040
in New Orleans. I'm sure they filmed other bits of the interior somewhere else,

688
00:45:46,540 --> 00:45:50,480
but there's a lot of it filmed in New Orleans. The effects are genuinely great.

689
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:55,200
There are some, you know, car chases and shootouts and

690
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,760
ninja swords and it has a bit of everything when it comes to the

691
00:45:59,260 --> 00:46:03,000
action. And it, it is, it's truly

692
00:46:03,500 --> 00:46:06,520
impressive. The only guy, as I said, attached to this who has any history who

693
00:46:07,020 --> 00:46:09,520
might have been able to bring the thunder is actually the co director,

694
00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:14,720
David Winters. And David Winters had been in Hollywood

695
00:46:15,220 --> 00:46:19,160
films for years and years and years. There isn't anything this guy

696
00:46:19,660 --> 00:46:23,000
hasn't done. He's acted, he's directed, he's produced, he's done

697
00:46:23,500 --> 00:46:26,880
a bit of everything. But he goes back to the

698
00:46:27,380 --> 00:46:30,960
Monkees TV series and the Ann Margaret show. Like that's where

699
00:46:31,460 --> 00:46:34,880
that guy cut his teeth and even did Dr.

700
00:46:35,380 --> 00:46:37,930
Jekyll and Mr. Hyde musical movie.

701
00:46:39,850 --> 00:46:43,210
So we were talking earlier about, like different Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde things.

702
00:46:43,690 --> 00:46:48,010
He does a musical with Kirk Douglas and Susan George,

703
00:46:48,510 --> 00:46:51,970
of all people. Like, I don't know how that shit gets

704
00:46:52,470 --> 00:46:55,690
made. Of course, Donald Pleasance is also in it because Pleasance

705
00:46:56,190 --> 00:46:59,450
has to show up in the part of Fred Smudge.

706
00:46:59,950 --> 00:47:03,260
But how the hell did they mount them? A movie, a musical,

707
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:07,180
no less, of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde with Kirk Douglas, Susan George and Donald

708
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:11,220
Pleasence. Clearly this guy David Winters gets it done.

709
00:47:11,720 --> 00:47:15,060
Now he is the co director on this movie. So again, I don't know if

710
00:47:15,220 --> 00:47:18,860
him and Rod Hewitt started off working together. I don't know

711
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:23,060
if Rod dropped down and David came in or whether David dropped out.

712
00:47:23,220 --> 00:47:26,620
Whether David mounted it, dropped out and Rod came in, I have no idea

713
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:30,640
at all. There's so little online about this movie. But the only thing that

714
00:47:31,140 --> 00:47:34,680
to me explains the cast that they've got in this movie, because the cast

715
00:47:35,180 --> 00:47:38,560
is off the chain, it's fantastic. But also the clear budget that

716
00:47:39,060 --> 00:47:41,480
they have for some of the shots that they're doing and some of the stuff

717
00:47:41,980 --> 00:47:45,840
that they do within New Orleans. And then thirdly, the other

718
00:47:46,340 --> 00:47:49,320
surprising thing about the movie is some of the kills,

719
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,640
like genuinely kills I haven't seen before and genuinely

720
00:47:54,610 --> 00:47:58,170
pretty disgusting. There's. There's a very effective kill

721
00:47:58,670 --> 00:48:02,170
right at the beginning where they tape a girl up and

722
00:48:02,670 --> 00:48:05,970
put her in a. A barrel and pour cement over her, which is just.

723
00:48:06,530 --> 00:48:09,730
I can only imagine how horrifying that is. And the way they

724
00:48:10,230 --> 00:48:12,650
do it was very matter of fact and even comical. I'm sure we'll get on

725
00:48:13,150 --> 00:48:17,210
to that in a bit. And then there's a. A sequence later where John

726
00:48:17,710 --> 00:48:21,940
Savage as the fantastic character Emile Lautrec

727
00:48:22,500 --> 00:48:26,340
and his cousin, also his friend, he's like, this is my friend also

728
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,180
he's my cousin who he's carrying around with this

729
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,500
little double act. They kill a guy in a way. We'll get into it later,

730
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,459
but they kill a guy in a way where I was like, oh, oh,

731
00:48:36,959 --> 00:48:41,380
wow. And not only is. Is it a A guy. But it's your

732
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:45,940
man from Mall Rats and from Conan.

733
00:48:47,730 --> 00:48:50,210
What's his name? The Swiss guy. Oh my God.

734
00:48:52,210 --> 00:48:54,450
Sven. Yeah, Sven. That's it.

735
00:48:56,450 --> 00:48:58,850
Who plays Finn of all things, you know?

736
00:48:59,330 --> 00:49:02,650
Yes. But they kill him in a way where I was just like, wow,

737
00:49:03,150 --> 00:49:05,970
that's surprising. So anyway, it is a.

738
00:49:06,370 --> 00:49:10,170
It is a ninja cop mafia drug

739
00:49:10,670 --> 00:49:14,290
dealing movie. Like it has they. This is what I call kitchen

740
00:49:14,790 --> 00:49:19,100
sink movie at its finest. And what I mean by kitchen sink movie is

741
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,700
you throw everything at the wall, including the kitchen sink. And,

742
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:27,060
and what is wonderful about the Dangerous is so much of it sticks.

743
00:49:27,620 --> 00:49:30,580
There is so many. I cannot wait to unpack this with you,

744
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:34,660
Gary. But I. This was a joy to me. This was.

745
00:49:34,820 --> 00:49:38,660
It was action packed. It had a little erotica.

746
00:49:38,900 --> 00:49:42,940
It had fucking people looking badass. Like, Robert Davy

747
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:47,620
took the opportunity to be like, I have to have at least eight badass

748
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:51,820
outfits throughout this entire movie. Like, Davy clearly

749
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:56,180
owned the set whenever he was around because the movie

750
00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:00,100
seems obsessed with Davy. There's film noir

751
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:04,140
in there. There's like New New Orleans swamp noir in

752
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:08,860
there. There's like crooked cops and I mean, it's all the

753
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:13,340
one liners that are bouncing around. Dude, I couldn't have loved this movie more.

754
00:50:13,420 --> 00:50:16,500
It's. It's utterly confusing. It has no handle on

755
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,940
the plot at any point whatsoever. But that doesn't matter. There are ninjas and

756
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,620
drug dealers and cops and biker warriors and

757
00:50:25,100 --> 00:50:28,500
mentions of, of true honor and

758
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,100
all this sort of stuff. And yeah. Bending laws in New Orleans and

759
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:35,620
throwing people off buildings. I mean, this movie has just about a little bit of

760
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,190
everything that I love and I loved it for it.

761
00:50:40,270 --> 00:50:43,510
Oh, it's, it's. I agree with everything you said, John. It's.

762
00:50:44,010 --> 00:50:47,270
It's. It's a phenomenal experience. And again,

763
00:50:47,770 --> 00:50:51,110
I looked, we. We look on list for this. Like what Parade Jam sounds,

764
00:50:51,610 --> 00:50:55,470
sounds great. And we read the synopsis for this and who was in it just

765
00:50:55,970 --> 00:50:59,590
like, yeah, this, this is, this is more than likely going to be another Parade

766
00:51:00,090 --> 00:51:03,630
winner. And it is in so many ways. John.

767
00:51:04,130 --> 00:51:07,710
John mentioned that was a chicken soup action film. It is. It has a lot

768
00:51:08,210 --> 00:51:11,870
of stuff thrown into it. I mean. Yeah. And then you even have.

769
00:51:12,110 --> 00:51:16,150
Yeah. You even have Joel Gray. Right? I didn't even mention him. But yeah,

770
00:51:16,650 --> 00:51:20,230
Joel Gray bouncing about. You know, he was doing these

771
00:51:20,730 --> 00:51:23,870
kind of roles. He had this and his, his role in Remo Williams, of course,

772
00:51:24,110 --> 00:51:27,990
you know, just, just doing these quirky ass roles.

773
00:51:28,490 --> 00:51:31,430
And this, what he plays like a street rat who,

774
00:51:31,930 --> 00:51:35,950
who happens to have a Cell phone and, and infinite connections. And you

775
00:51:36,450 --> 00:51:39,870
know what? You buy that. I can't tell you why you buy

776
00:51:40,370 --> 00:51:43,670
that. He's been living inside

777
00:51:44,170 --> 00:51:46,110
a Mardi Gras float for like eight months.

778
00:51:50,190 --> 00:51:53,670
But yeah, this, this is wild. And you

779
00:51:54,170 --> 00:51:57,870
got these two charismatic guys just, you know, chewing the

780
00:51:58,370 --> 00:52:01,710
scenery. The, the, the best, the, the best they can at the same time.

781
00:52:02,590 --> 00:52:06,230
Robert Dahvie in this film. I, I, I can't tell if

782
00:52:06,730 --> 00:52:10,590
he's supposed to be Italian or possibly Asian because the,

783
00:52:11,090 --> 00:52:14,310
the way, the cut of his jib, if you will, that, the way

784
00:52:14,810 --> 00:52:17,710
they cut his hair in this film, it's like missing,

785
00:52:18,210 --> 00:52:21,910
it's missing an Asian inspired headband. You know, when Dabi

786
00:52:22,410 --> 00:52:26,170
goes to work, you almost wish that was there because he,

787
00:52:27,290 --> 00:52:30,090
he shows up because he's like the, the,

788
00:52:30,590 --> 00:52:33,930
the, the Asian expert, you know, to, to, to, to help Random.

789
00:52:35,050 --> 00:52:38,210
He's a ninja whisperer. He's, he's a

790
00:52:38,710 --> 00:52:42,810
ninja whisperer. Yes, indeed. That's a good word for it. And he

791
00:52:42,890 --> 00:52:46,050
knows the story, he knows what's going on. It's hard

792
00:52:46,550 --> 00:52:49,810
to tell if he's a cop or like a mercenary. Because we

793
00:52:50,310 --> 00:52:54,210
were introduced is one of the greatest introductions ever. A Robert in,

794
00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:58,120
Robert Dobby in a movie is that he's in, he's in this

795
00:52:58,620 --> 00:53:02,400
New Orleans cemetery and, and there's a gunfight

796
00:53:02,900 --> 00:53:05,760
there because all of a sudden there's this copper that comes out. This might be

797
00:53:06,260 --> 00:53:10,080
the same cemetery from Easy Rider. I have no idea. It looks very similar to

798
00:53:10,580 --> 00:53:14,040
the trip out. It is, it's, it's, that's what, that's what made me think,

799
00:53:14,540 --> 00:53:18,000
like, how the hell are they affording this? Because that is the, that is

800
00:53:18,500 --> 00:53:22,520
the above ground cemetery. Famous New Orleans above ground

801
00:53:23,020 --> 00:53:26,640
cemetery. It's right there, slap bang in the heart of the city. It's where Nick

802
00:53:27,140 --> 00:53:30,400
Cage owned his pyramid or whatever it was that Nick Cage wanted to.

803
00:53:30,900 --> 00:53:34,440
Yeah, Nick Cage, like blew a ton of money on owning like a few

804
00:53:34,940 --> 00:53:38,680
mad graves in New Orleans. But it's right there. I've toured that graveyard.

805
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:42,720
Yeah, it's, it's insane. They got to film everything.

806
00:53:43,220 --> 00:53:46,560
They got to film there. I, you know, I can only assume that New

807
00:53:47,060 --> 00:53:49,160
Orleans was hard up for cash in 95. I don't know.

808
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:54,040
Oh, yeah, but Dabby shows up, you know, waiting for a gunfight

809
00:53:54,540 --> 00:53:58,210
because there's this, there's a funeral going on where these guys

810
00:53:58,710 --> 00:54:02,090
are carrying this insanely light coffin that happens that looks

811
00:54:02,590 --> 00:54:05,930
light, but it's filled with guns, like an array of guns.

812
00:54:06,090 --> 00:54:09,330
It's like a real, you Would say it's a nice spread if you're

813
00:54:09,830 --> 00:54:13,450
having Thanksgiving dinner of weaponry that's going to

814
00:54:13,950 --> 00:54:17,690
be fired in about two minutes. And for some

815
00:54:18,190 --> 00:54:22,090
reason, I guess it's raining outside. So these guys have

816
00:54:22,590 --> 00:54:25,410
umbrellas that the gunman. And for some reason,

817
00:54:25,890 --> 00:54:29,250
they don't lose the umbrellas. They just hold on to them while they're shooting

818
00:54:29,750 --> 00:54:32,450
people. No. So the umbrellas,

819
00:54:32,690 --> 00:54:36,210
they have them in the summer as well. They're a traditional in

820
00:54:36,710 --> 00:54:39,170
New Orleans funerals where they have a processional.

821
00:54:39,890 --> 00:54:43,370
Very often the mourners have umbrellas. It doesn't

822
00:54:43,870 --> 00:54:47,130
necessarily denote rain, although it may do in this case because it was gray and

823
00:54:47,630 --> 00:54:51,090
overcast. But in, in general, they do know they dance with the

824
00:54:51,590 --> 00:54:55,050
umbrellas. They hold them up. It's. I don't know the, the full tradition.

825
00:54:55,550 --> 00:54:59,210
Sometimes they're umbrellas, sometimes they're parasols. But they

826
00:54:59,710 --> 00:55:03,370
are a. A feature at both New Orleans funerals and also

827
00:55:04,010 --> 00:55:07,090
second line marches that go on throughout New Orleans with

828
00:55:07,590 --> 00:55:08,730
the music and the parading and everything.

829
00:55:10,650 --> 00:55:14,170
And, and that's fine. But the most hilarious part of the scene to

830
00:55:14,670 --> 00:55:17,890
be is not, not, not the gunplay, but the fact that they hold on to

831
00:55:18,390 --> 00:55:21,650
these like they're in like a Broadway musical or something, and it's part of the

832
00:55:22,150 --> 00:55:25,730
act. They're just. Yes. It's like, unless you're the

833
00:55:26,230 --> 00:55:29,330
Penguin from Batman, you shouldn't

834
00:55:29,830 --> 00:55:33,210
hold on to this parasol if

835
00:55:33,710 --> 00:55:37,290
you're in a gunfight because the gun is inside the parasol for the Penguin.

836
00:55:37,450 --> 00:55:40,850
So there's that. Yeah. I mean, unless you're spinning it

837
00:55:41,350 --> 00:55:45,150
around and ninja stars are flying out of the folds of your parasol,

838
00:55:45,650 --> 00:55:48,350
like, you know what I mean? Put it down. Put it down. It's just taking

839
00:55:48,850 --> 00:55:49,910
up a hand. It's unnecessary.

840
00:55:52,310 --> 00:55:55,950
But one way to, to do this is like, hey, they got the

841
00:55:56,450 --> 00:55:59,590
guns now. But to conceal the guns, they hold their parasols

842
00:56:00,090 --> 00:56:03,230
in a forward motion and then they throw it away like,

843
00:56:03,730 --> 00:56:07,190
like Arnold throws the roses away when he reveals his shotgun. Terminator 2.

844
00:56:07,590 --> 00:56:10,610
And they just start blasting away Dabi. But he,

845
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:14,640
He. He knows. He knows the gunmen are there because there's not.

846
00:56:15,140 --> 00:56:18,200
There's not a point in time in this film where Robert Dobby

847
00:56:18,700 --> 00:56:21,400
doesn't know the score. And that's one of my favorite things about it. Like,

848
00:56:21,900 --> 00:56:24,920
yeah, but parade is kind of a rube is random here, not,

849
00:56:25,420 --> 00:56:28,760
not really having a lot of information. But Davalos.

850
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:31,800
Davalos has all the cards. And I love it so much.

851
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:37,320
I love that. Like, I love that Rod Hewitt and Robert Davy

852
00:56:37,820 --> 00:56:41,370
sat down and was just like, Davi was like, how about I'm Davalos?

853
00:56:42,090 --> 00:56:45,210
Like it's Davi, but it's got like a mysterious feel

854
00:56:45,710 --> 00:56:48,810
to it. You know what I mean? He is Davalos from the desert.

855
00:56:49,310 --> 00:56:49,530
That's the other thing.

856
00:56:52,890 --> 00:56:55,610
No, no, no, finish up. No, no, finish up, dude.

857
00:56:57,050 --> 00:57:01,130
It makes you wonder if they made him call. He made them call him Davalos

858
00:57:01,450 --> 00:57:05,670
rather than Robert while he was doing the film. He went full method and

859
00:57:06,710 --> 00:57:09,350
I would. Hope Gary,

860
00:57:09,430 --> 00:57:13,110
he 1000%. I think he still has

861
00:57:13,610 --> 00:57:17,070
people call him Davalos. Like I think that's it's Robert

862
00:57:17,570 --> 00:57:20,790
Davy's secret alter ego. I believe so.

863
00:57:21,110 --> 00:57:24,510
The one thing we didn't mention is the movie starts when we actually meet Robert

864
00:57:25,010 --> 00:57:28,150
Davy. He's in the desert on a horse

865
00:57:28,470 --> 00:57:32,310
dressed like a cowboy with a beard. And you're like,

866
00:57:32,790 --> 00:57:36,370
wait, what? And Davalos has just gone

867
00:57:36,870 --> 00:57:40,370
out to the desert like, like the old man and Unforgiven kind of

868
00:57:40,870 --> 00:57:43,930
thing. He's just trotting around the dusty plains,

869
00:57:44,970 --> 00:57:48,090
finding his way in the world. You know, there's a lot of

870
00:57:48,590 --> 00:57:51,850
like Kane from Kung Fu stuff in this movie. Like he's out in the desert,

871
00:57:52,010 --> 00:57:56,170
he's just traveling the earth. He gets the call on

872
00:57:56,670 --> 00:57:59,930
his answer machine to come to New Orleans to help his buddy out.

873
00:58:01,370 --> 00:58:05,250
And then out of nowhere, within seconds, Davalos has

874
00:58:05,750 --> 00:58:09,290
transferred from old man cowboy into mean

875
00:58:09,370 --> 00:58:12,890
badass motorbike warrior riding,

876
00:58:13,210 --> 00:58:16,650
riding from Arizona to New Orleans on his hog. Man,

877
00:58:18,010 --> 00:58:21,810
Davy gets to try on so many fucking looks and hats

878
00:58:22,310 --> 00:58:26,010
in this movie, it's hilarious. And then when he shows up

879
00:58:26,510 --> 00:58:30,610
to the graveyard in New Orleans, his buddy has been like crucified,

880
00:58:31,110 --> 00:58:33,570
but he's sitting down totally with.

881
00:58:35,250 --> 00:58:37,970
He's been nailed to a crucifix, which is horrible,

882
00:58:38,930 --> 00:58:43,090
but he's sitting down which obviously defeats the point of being crucified.

883
00:58:45,730 --> 00:58:49,210
Yeah, yeah, I beat the shit too, by the way.

884
00:58:49,710 --> 00:58:53,450
So I guess he is bleeding out in the way. But yeah,

885
00:58:53,950 --> 00:58:57,400
us doing this on, on Easter Eve is kind of Afropo

886
00:58:57,900 --> 00:59:00,760
to, to our, our friends. Half crucifixion in this movie.

887
00:59:01,260 --> 00:59:04,760
Yeah, but this movie, like a PM film. And that's the

888
00:59:05,260 --> 00:59:08,040
thing is I want people to like when I started this and I thought,

889
00:59:08,540 --> 00:59:12,080
well, you know, 95, it's 4 out of 10. It's Rod Hewitt's not

890
00:59:12,580 --> 00:59:15,120
really done very much. I'm like, oh, it's probably going to be some low budget

891
00:59:15,620 --> 00:59:19,240
thing. And, and look, I'm not saying it's fucking Die Hard too or

892
00:59:19,740 --> 00:59:22,960
whatever. It's not like Hollywood budget. But if you watch

893
00:59:23,460 --> 00:59:27,240
this and someone said to you like a PM Entertainment made this

894
00:59:27,740 --> 00:59:31,720
or whatever, I would believe it simply because follows

895
00:59:32,220 --> 00:59:36,080
the rules of a lot of PM films, which is action needs to break out

896
00:59:36,959 --> 00:59:39,840
no matter what. At a certain point, every few minutes,

897
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:44,200
you need to have as many people who can be a

898
00:59:44,700 --> 00:59:48,380
part of that action, but in a variety of different ways as much as

899
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:52,700
possible. Hence the drug dealers, the cops, the motorbike warrior, the ninjas.

900
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:56,580
Like everyone's got a stake in this, you know. You know,

901
00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:00,500
you've got to film all over the city and get different backdrops and different parts

902
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:04,100
of day or night, whatever, throw a bit of sex in there. Like it follows

903
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:07,260
the, the Corman PM Entertainment,

904
01:00:09,100 --> 01:00:12,540
you know, the structure, the, the,

905
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:16,500
the rules almost to the letter. And is the better for it

906
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:20,460
is much, much better for it. It doesn't let it slow

907
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:23,980
down or get boring for a minute. I mean,

908
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:27,900
it's just every. Even when he goes to see Davalos,

909
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:30,420
shows up in New Orleans and we find out that he's got a bit of

910
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:34,180
a past. And we don't ever find out exactly what that past is, except it

911
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:38,300
has something to do with the brother of the hooker played by.

912
01:00:39,910 --> 01:00:44,070
You said her name earlier. Played by Paula Barbara.

913
01:00:44,150 --> 01:00:47,350
Right. And something to do with her brother. We don't quite know

914
01:00:47,850 --> 01:00:50,870
what it is, but like if he hadn't left New Orleans last time in the

915
01:00:51,370 --> 01:00:53,710
middle of the night by himself, her brother would have got killed or something like

916
01:00:54,210 --> 01:00:56,950
that. So he left for noble reasons and now he's back.

917
01:00:57,430 --> 01:01:00,630
And any scene with

918
01:01:01,130 --> 01:01:05,120
the two of them in it is shot like a sort

919
01:01:05,620 --> 01:01:09,760
of a neo noir, like thick red light coming through a slatted blind

920
01:01:10,260 --> 01:01:14,400
and you know, blues and pinks on the wall. And all the dialogue

921
01:01:14,900 --> 01:01:16,960
suddenly gets dramatic. Like it's, you know,

922
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:22,160
the scene in Casablanca with where Bogey

923
01:01:22,660 --> 01:01:26,120
is saying to oh my God, why can't I think of names today?

924
01:01:26,620 --> 01:01:28,960
Gary. This is becoming a real problem for my podcasting habits.

925
01:01:33,490 --> 01:01:36,930
Ingrid Bergman. Who's saying where he's

926
01:01:37,430 --> 01:01:41,130
saying to Ingrid Bergman about, no, you have to, you know that you can't stay

927
01:01:41,630 --> 01:01:44,530
here. And they're talking about Paris and the letters of transit,

928
01:01:45,030 --> 01:01:48,370
everything. That scene in Casablanca, which is kind of the scene before it all,

929
01:01:49,410 --> 01:01:51,810
all the. Goes down in the last act of that film,

930
01:01:52,530 --> 01:01:56,250
that scene. It's, it's, it's, it's like that

931
01:01:56,750 --> 01:02:00,170
every time Davi and Bobby Harry get in a room together.

932
01:02:00,330 --> 01:02:04,050
Either that or it's hot and heavy and we're getting a little. We're getting

933
01:02:04,550 --> 01:02:08,810
a little lovemaking action. So it's the way it's filmed, the different genres

934
01:02:09,310 --> 01:02:12,530
it's picking from it. Yeah, it never lets you get bored or tired

935
01:02:13,030 --> 01:02:16,170
for a minute. No, I agree.

936
01:02:16,330 --> 01:02:19,930
I mean, it gets crazy and it gets crazier because they keep adding.

937
01:02:20,170 --> 01:02:23,650
What this film does very well is like, wow, they just

938
01:02:24,150 --> 01:02:28,810
added henchmen to this movie. Now you have the

939
01:02:29,310 --> 01:02:33,010
henchmen who are the ones looking for revenge.

940
01:02:33,810 --> 01:02:37,050
They do a brilliant job. You mentioned spanily, Thorsten shows up in

941
01:02:37,550 --> 01:02:41,330
this movie. He can only have what I can describe as

942
01:02:41,830 --> 01:02:45,090
a ring around the rosy death because it's so painful.

943
01:02:45,730 --> 01:02:49,730
Our Asian assassins show up and they just circle around

944
01:02:50,230 --> 01:02:54,440
him while slicing him around the belly. Well, no, yeah, it's our Cajun

945
01:02:54,940 --> 01:02:56,600
assassins. It's John Savage, right?

946
01:02:57,720 --> 01:03:01,120
Yeah. And it's. It's phenomenal

947
01:03:01,620 --> 01:03:04,640
the way. The way he is murdered in this film. And you look for a

948
01:03:05,140 --> 01:03:07,520
disembodiment, but you do. You have to have an R rating, of course. But I'd

949
01:03:08,020 --> 01:03:10,520
imagine his guts are all over the floor at this point.

950
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:14,520
But, yeah, they stick a knife in it and just.

951
01:03:15,020 --> 01:03:18,200
They basically. I've never seen anything like that in a movie.

952
01:03:18,940 --> 01:03:22,340
He like, sticks. He's got one of these. I don't know what kind of blades

953
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:26,660
there are. It's, it's. It's, you know, it's like a short. It's definitely a

954
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:30,540
fighting blade, but it's, It's. It's shorter, but it's curved and it looks

955
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:34,499
evil as. And, you know,

956
01:03:34,999 --> 01:03:38,140
I don't know what the. Like, when you've seen movie. In movies where,

957
01:03:38,460 --> 01:03:41,340
you know, someone commits like Harry Carry or something and, and.

958
01:03:41,580 --> 01:03:45,100
And, you know, disembowels themselves. It's kind of like that knife.

959
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:48,060
I don't know if there's like a ceremonial Japanese word for it or whatever.

960
01:03:49,390 --> 01:03:50,190
But yeah, he just.

961
01:03:52,670 --> 01:03:55,630
It's like a short katana kind of, in a way. You know, I.

962
01:03:55,790 --> 01:03:57,870
I've seen it in a movie or two before, though.

963
01:03:59,150 --> 01:04:02,510
And he just sticks it right in Sven

964
01:04:03,010 --> 01:04:07,350
Olaf. Sven Ole Thorson's stomach and

965
01:04:07,850 --> 01:04:11,310
then just cuts all the way around. And again,

966
01:04:11,390 --> 01:04:14,710
it's not like. You see, it's not

967
01:04:15,210 --> 01:04:18,110
like they've done like prosthetic effects or. Or anything like that.

968
01:04:18,870 --> 01:04:22,550
It's just the thought of it and the

969
01:04:22,710 --> 01:04:26,150
sound effects they use and the way they do it. It's.

970
01:04:26,650 --> 01:04:28,310
Yeah, it's very effective.

971
01:04:31,190 --> 01:04:34,310
Yeah. Yeah, that's the cage. The Cajun guys.

972
01:04:34,550 --> 01:04:38,430
Yeah, I love those guys because not.

973
01:04:38,930 --> 01:04:42,390
Not only did they do what our Asian assassins do,

974
01:04:42,890 --> 01:04:46,350
but they do it while talking because the Asians don't say much in this

975
01:04:46,850 --> 01:04:50,920
movie unless they're talking to Davalos. But, but because he,

976
01:04:51,420 --> 01:04:54,480
he knows why they want revenge. But these guys have

977
01:04:54,980 --> 01:04:59,000
a level of arrogance to them that just makes them charismatic as.

978
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:02,480
So that, that's what this film is all about, you know,

979
01:05:02,980 --> 01:05:08,440
being killers and being charismatic as. So you

980
01:05:08,940 --> 01:05:12,600
almost wanted more of them, you know, so if that's a complaint about the dangerous.

981
01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:16,810
Yeah, I want a more assassin guys,

982
01:05:17,310 --> 01:05:20,130
you know. Yeah. If anything, you know, the,

983
01:05:20,290 --> 01:05:22,050
the thing is this. So the,

984
01:05:24,050 --> 01:05:27,930
the. There are two Japanese assassins who are the

985
01:05:28,430 --> 01:05:31,570
brother and sister of the woman who at the beginning of the movie

986
01:05:31,810 --> 01:05:33,730
gets put in an oil drum,

987
01:05:34,530 --> 01:05:37,850
taped up and covered in cement and

988
01:05:38,350 --> 01:05:41,610
then kicked in the bay. It's a real like, by the way, also, they're having

989
01:05:42,110 --> 01:05:45,410
the most obvious drug deal you've ever seen in any movie ever.

990
01:05:45,900 --> 01:05:49,100
Like, there are, there are like 20 hench people,

991
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:53,020
two limousines. They're putting huge suitcases in

992
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:57,580
between each other, like in Broad, not in like a lit dark

993
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:01,660
area right by a warehouse. Like anyone could see if like,

994
01:06:01,820 --> 01:06:04,540
like if you were the other side of the New Orleans bay,

995
01:06:04,780 --> 01:06:08,140
like just casually at a restaurant or something, you would

996
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:10,660
look out across the water and go, oh, look at that drug deal. Like,

997
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:14,970
that's how fucking obvious it was. And of course she has to make a noise

998
01:06:15,470 --> 01:06:18,570
in the. When she's scoping them out. She, she's a,

999
01:06:18,730 --> 01:06:21,890
she's not even a journalist or whatever. She's doing it for like a college degree

1000
01:06:22,390 --> 01:06:25,810
or something. Right. Isn't she writing something for her? She's not like a

1001
01:06:26,310 --> 01:06:29,970
journalist or anything. Or am I wrong about that? Well, you don't

1002
01:06:30,470 --> 01:06:33,610
get a whole lot of context of what you know she's doing.

1003
01:06:34,250 --> 01:06:37,450
All you know is that she's following these, these drug dealers.

1004
01:06:38,020 --> 01:06:42,860
And of course she, she makes, takes pictures and makes a inexplicable

1005
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:46,340
noise because she, she moves from the garbage case she's hiding behind.

1006
01:06:47,060 --> 01:06:50,700
Yeah. And she gets, she gets to, she gets to see

1007
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:53,700
men's shoes. And then she,

1008
01:06:55,540 --> 01:06:58,180
her relatives show up accordingly. I mean,

1009
01:06:59,140 --> 01:07:02,740
yeah, her brother and sister show up and they basically have told their

1010
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:07,340
mother, oh, we're going to avenge her death and we probably won't come back.

1011
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:11,380
Like, if we've been successful, you'll see us in heaven, basically. And to them

1012
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:14,380
it's all about, you know, honor and all this sort of stuff.

1013
01:07:14,780 --> 01:07:18,420
And then what happens is that

1014
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:22,940
the cops are. The cops have also been like

1015
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:26,460
scoping out these drug dealers. And the cops are about to do. Their.

1016
01:07:28,620 --> 01:07:31,860
Their, their big arrest. You know, they're about to run

1017
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:36,300
into the building and take on all these people, including one

1018
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:39,260
of the cops who is. And I'm not kidding, when I saw this, I was

1019
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:42,660
like, oh, this is going to be a good movie. I'm going to love.

1020
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:47,060
Every minute of this movie was when they were doing the stakeout before

1021
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:50,660
they were about to go attack the building with all the drug dealers in it.

1022
01:07:50,820 --> 01:07:54,780
And one of the cops is lying down in

1023
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:57,380
the street pretending to be a cardboard box.

1024
01:08:01,210 --> 01:08:04,890
And he's literally lying in front of a car inside a cardboard box with

1025
01:08:05,390 --> 01:08:08,450
a walkie talkie and a little circular hole poked out with a

1026
01:08:08,950 --> 01:08:12,450
little flap. And I'm like,

1027
01:08:12,950 --> 01:08:16,290
that's. He's not even dressed as a hobo or anything. He's just pretending to be

1028
01:08:16,790 --> 01:08:18,090
a box. It's fucking genius.

1029
01:08:20,090 --> 01:08:23,130
Now the driving through the city of Chicago is telling me anything.

1030
01:08:23,630 --> 01:08:27,210
If you hit the wrong spot on that massive crater, that guy's a dead man.

1031
01:08:27,690 --> 01:08:30,139
It's just going to happen, you know? Yes.

1032
01:08:31,179 --> 01:08:34,819
So, so once I realized, oh, this is the kind of movie where your.

1033
01:08:35,319 --> 01:08:38,739
Your cop buddies can pretend to be a cardboard box on the street of New

1034
01:08:39,239 --> 01:08:42,779
Orleans, only to then clumsily run out of the cardboard box when shit goes down,

1035
01:08:42,939 --> 01:08:45,018
I'm like, oh, I'm gonna enjoy this sucker.

1036
01:08:46,219 --> 01:08:50,419
But, but during that, the, the ninja

1037
01:08:50,919 --> 01:08:54,499
assassins show up. The brother and sister team show up and wipe out all the

1038
01:08:54,999 --> 01:08:58,500
drug dealers before the cops can get there. But that means that

1039
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:02,580
when the cops show up, the drug dealing, the guy at the top of the

1040
01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:07,460
drug dealers, the, the, the lead guy who

1041
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:11,660
was, who played that guy was that. That was Tito, right?

1042
01:09:11,980 --> 01:09:15,460
Tito thinks that Tito thinks that the

1043
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:19,900
cops killed everybody and are lying about the, the fact that they arrived when they

1044
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:24,099
were dead. So then Tito sends not only his henchmen,

1045
01:09:24,599 --> 01:09:28,699
goons, but also these two Cajun assassins against the cops. So that's the setup.

1046
01:09:29,199 --> 01:09:31,779
And you really have to. Like I had. I don't know about you, Gary,

1047
01:09:32,279 --> 01:09:35,299
but I had to keep reminding myself, oh, right.

1048
01:09:35,539 --> 01:09:39,059
The drug dealers want the cops because they think the cops killed the

1049
01:09:39,559 --> 01:09:42,459
drug dealers. But the cops didn't kill the drug dealers. The ninjas killed the drug

1050
01:09:42,959 --> 01:09:46,659
dealers. But they don't know that there are ninjas until later. And then the cops

1051
01:09:47,159 --> 01:09:50,059
want to get the ninjas, but at the same time, the cops don't want to

1052
01:09:50,559 --> 01:09:54,210
get the ninjas because they have honor it. Like I had to at a certain

1053
01:09:54,710 --> 01:09:57,930
point, keep unraveling The. The plot in my head and making sure

1054
01:09:58,430 --> 01:10:01,930
that I. I had it correctly. Especially once they're like, well, we're also

1055
01:10:02,430 --> 01:10:04,970
going to hide the cops. Also go, well, we're going to hire Davalos. Why?

1056
01:10:05,470 --> 01:10:09,130
It doesn't matter. It's. It's Robert Davies just writing it down. He's the Ninja whisperer.

1057
01:10:09,630 --> 01:10:13,210
He's on a motorbike. He's wearing his little bandana

1058
01:10:13,530 --> 01:10:17,450
and looking like he's auditioning for Sons of Anarchy New

1059
01:10:17,950 --> 01:10:22,860
Orleans. Sons of Anarchy Colon. New Orleans. You know, so it's.

1060
01:10:23,500 --> 01:10:27,740
It's. It's. It's fantastic. It's confusing, but it's fantastic.

1061
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:31,100
And then in order to track all these people down, par is like, come with

1062
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:35,580
me. They go to the. The. Where all the floats,

1063
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:39,060
all the Mardi Gras floats are kept, which people will know if they've seen Hard

1064
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:43,180
Target. Although Hard Target did this two years after this movie, because this movie

1065
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:47,020
was actually shot in the early 90s. I think Davi said on Twitter that it

1066
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:51,160
was shot around 9192 before hard target. So they actually

1067
01:10:51,660 --> 01:10:53,800
did it first. But,

1068
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:58,320
yeah, they. They go to the. Where the parade floats are kept.

1069
01:10:58,820 --> 01:11:01,960
And Flea, played by Joel Gray, just sleeping inside a parade float,

1070
01:11:02,460 --> 01:11:05,840
just hanging out there waiting for parade and Davalos to show up.

1071
01:11:06,340 --> 01:11:07,560
So, so good.

1072
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:13,120
Continue. I'm sorry, dude. Imagine. No, no, no,

1073
01:11:13,620 --> 01:11:16,540
no, no. I want your input, dude. I was just trying to get everyone set

1074
01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:20,980
up. So they're bouncing around. No, I'm just saying that the Fleas

1075
01:11:21,300 --> 01:11:24,740
and Joel Gray is Flea. Another one of those.

1076
01:11:24,980 --> 01:11:28,260
Like, hey, we got Joe Gray for three

1077
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:32,180
days. Let's make him spectacular. And I'm sure that was done a

1078
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:35,620
lot on his own, you know, Go ahead. I'm sorry.

1079
01:11:36,020 --> 01:11:39,460
No, it's. It's. No, it's fantastic. And what's fantastic about it

1080
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:43,860
was that, you know, Davila shows up, right? He gets

1081
01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:48,140
paired up with Perret. Right? They don't know each other. And thankfully,

1082
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:51,140
I think I read a review where someone said, thankfully, there wasn't a lot of

1083
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:55,220
unnecessary bickering. Because you're right, that would have spoiled the movie somewhat

1084
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:59,180
if there was, like, a lot of unnecessary bickering between Perret and Davalos.

1085
01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:02,940
It's almost nice that Davalos shows up and is just like, fine, okay, this is

1086
01:12:03,440 --> 01:12:06,900
Parade. Off we go. In fact, when Davalos shows up, Perret is getting a beat

1087
01:12:07,420 --> 01:12:10,740
blowy from his girlfriend. Yeah,

1088
01:12:11,240 --> 01:12:14,100
yeah, yeah, yeah. Davalos. Davalos is, like,

1089
01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:17,660
peeping at parade, getting nailed by his lady.

1090
01:12:19,820 --> 01:12:23,460
That's pretty good. It's pretty good introduction

1091
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:25,340
to those two characters, you know?

1092
01:12:30,140 --> 01:12:33,340
Yeah, but no, but what I mean is the first

1093
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:37,740
thing Parade does is take him to meet Flea. And I'm like, if you're Davalos,

1094
01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:42,180
right, you've driven all the way from the desert to events or

1095
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:45,260
to sort out this ninja problem that they're having in New Orleans.

1096
01:12:46,620 --> 01:12:51,180
And your partner is not only just spending his afternoon having

1097
01:12:51,500 --> 01:12:55,940
sex with his, his girl and getting blowies midday

1098
01:12:56,440 --> 01:13:00,180
when he's meant to be on, on the case, but also the next thing Parade

1099
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:03,460
does is take him to a weird little man who lives in a parade float

1100
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:06,500
and go, this guy will be able to find them. He can find anybody.

1101
01:13:07,140 --> 01:13:10,500
Davalos. And Davos just buys it. Davalos is just like,

1102
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:14,540
sure, he says to flee. Like, we want you to work for us. Like,

1103
01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:18,060
Davos is on board. Like, this is just normal. Oh, I'm in New Orleans and

1104
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:20,620
a guy lives in a parade float and he's going to help us find some

1105
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:23,540
ninjas. Sure. Off we go. This is fine. I've got this.

1106
01:13:25,210 --> 01:13:29,010
Like, Davalos never questions anything. Like for the moment

1107
01:13:29,510 --> 01:13:32,810
he shows up. Oh, for sure.

1108
01:13:33,290 --> 01:13:36,650
That's the cool thing about his, his, his character is

1109
01:13:37,370 --> 01:13:40,850
he, he's so calm and collected the whole time,

1110
01:13:41,350 --> 01:13:45,250
no matter what bonkers shit is happening. It's like, yep, it's fucking

1111
01:13:45,750 --> 01:13:50,410
Tuesday, isn't it? You know, and that's, that's the Davos attitude because

1112
01:13:50,910 --> 01:13:53,290
the coif demands it of Davalos.

1113
01:13:56,050 --> 01:13:59,330
Just the fact that he's a motorbike warrior called Davalos,

1114
01:14:00,050 --> 01:14:03,450
it's just enough for me to love this movie. Not to mention that

1115
01:14:03,950 --> 01:14:06,250
when they then go to the cinema and I don't even remember why they end

1116
01:14:06,750 --> 01:14:09,370
up in the cinema. In fact, I don't even remember why they end up anywhere

1117
01:14:09,870 --> 01:14:12,970
where they end up. But when they end up in the cinema, Elliot Gould is

1118
01:14:13,470 --> 01:14:17,250
there for no reason. Elliot Gould

1119
01:14:17,750 --> 01:14:21,300
is Lips Levine. They had him for a day and

1120
01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:24,900
you know. Yeah, I can't confirm or deny that, but I'd

1121
01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:29,340
imagine. But by the way, Tito Juan Fernandez,

1122
01:14:29,660 --> 01:14:33,300
he was all over the spectrum as far as, like, genre stuff goes. Well,

1123
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:37,260
most, most, most mainstream folks may know him as he was the main

1124
01:14:38,380 --> 01:14:41,620
Hispanic bad guy in Crocodile Dundee Part

1125
01:14:42,120 --> 01:14:44,860
two. So. Right. Yes, that's correct. Yes.

1126
01:14:48,300 --> 01:14:49,180
Lips Levine.

1127
01:14:52,220 --> 01:14:55,580
Isn't it like the, like the most Italian name you can think of, like for

1128
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:59,500
like a cartoon gangster, you know, because what was the guy in

1129
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,580
Dick Tracy, Lips Manless, played by the great

1130
01:15:05,260 --> 01:15:08,460
Paul Sorbino. Was Lips Manless and Dick Tracy.

1131
01:15:08,620 --> 01:15:12,070
Yes, yes. And Elliot Gould is Lips

1132
01:15:12,570 --> 01:15:17,270
Levine, who is low level, very low level drug

1133
01:15:17,770 --> 01:15:21,830
dealer who is also the projectionist at a theater where they're

1134
01:15:22,330 --> 01:15:25,950
showing the Russian war film Alexander Nevsky,

1135
01:15:26,190 --> 01:15:29,830
which weirdly enough is also the stage

1136
01:15:30,330 --> 01:15:34,430
name or potentially the real name, I don't know of a current very

1137
01:15:34,590 --> 01:15:38,030
C tier action star that, that is doing the rounds

1138
01:15:38,530 --> 01:15:41,330
and straight to video stuff right now called Alexander Nevsky,

1139
01:15:41,830 --> 01:15:46,050
who has been able to put together a bunch of movies with your favorite B

1140
01:15:46,550 --> 01:15:49,970
and C tier action stars from the 80s. Don Wilson's

1141
01:15:50,470 --> 01:15:54,170
done a bunch, Cynthia Rothrock's done a bunch. Mark Dacasco spinning a couple of Nevsky

1142
01:15:54,670 --> 01:15:58,450
movies. And yet Nevsky movies, for whatever reason, even though he's clearly a

1143
01:15:58,950 --> 01:16:02,930
fan of films like this and clearly a fan of PM Entertainment films

1144
01:16:03,430 --> 01:16:07,520
and other stuff like that, seemingly incapable of making his own entertaining

1145
01:16:08,020 --> 01:16:11,600
movie. I've tried to watch three Nevsky movies. Like, I'm out. I'm out. I can't

1146
01:16:12,100 --> 01:16:15,400
do it to myself anymore. It's too embarrassing to watch Don

1147
01:16:15,900 --> 01:16:20,160
the Dragon Wilson, Cynthia Rothrock, Mark the Cascos, Casper Van Diet or whatever ruin

1148
01:16:20,660 --> 01:16:23,560
themselves in Nevsky movies. I can't, I'm out.

1149
01:16:24,060 --> 01:16:27,760
I'll, you know, I just can't do it anymore. But very funny that, that when

1150
01:16:28,260 --> 01:16:32,410
they show up to this retro house theater that they're showing a

1151
01:16:32,910 --> 01:16:35,890
whole bunch of weird stuff. And again with this whole Jekyll and Hyde thing.

1152
01:16:36,210 --> 01:16:39,970
A Jekyll and Hyde poster on the wall for one that stars

1153
01:16:43,170 --> 01:16:45,970
Tracy Spencer Tracy and Lana Turner.

1154
01:16:47,250 --> 01:16:50,650
So Jekyll and Hyde following us all around

1155
01:16:51,150 --> 01:16:54,930
this, this, this place, right? Oh, yeah. So, yes, for sure.

1156
01:16:55,170 --> 01:16:57,650
Yeah. It's a, it's a theme of the show, if you will.

1157
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:02,960
I don't know how far we should go into this because I, I would,

1158
01:17:03,460 --> 01:17:06,560
I would love to say that since they're doing stuff like this,

1159
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:10,720
this might get like a vinegar syndrome treatment like, like real soon.

1160
01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:12,960
And I would love to see this. It's just,

1161
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:17,600
it's, it gets nuts, man.

1162
01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:21,800
Like, like John said, it's, it's like, it's, it's,

1163
01:17:22,300 --> 01:17:25,760
it's a, it's a hodgepodge movie and it

1164
01:17:26,260 --> 01:17:29,010
gets, it gets to be kind of a mess. But you know,

1165
01:17:29,510 --> 01:17:32,650
you're, you're there for the mess because of the charisma of

1166
01:17:33,150 --> 01:17:35,010
the people that are acting at this movie.

1167
01:17:35,970 --> 01:17:39,410
Oh yeah. I mean, this, this movie is held. Well, no, but, but this

1168
01:17:39,910 --> 01:17:42,530
is the other thing Gary's saying is not only, yes, the movie's held Definitely on

1169
01:17:43,030 --> 01:17:46,410
the backs and the shoulders of the charisma of the actors, who all of whom

1170
01:17:46,910 --> 01:17:50,650
are incredibly entertaining in this movie and understood the assignment when they

1171
01:17:51,150 --> 01:17:54,490
showed up. But the other thing that I think genuinely needs

1172
01:17:54,990 --> 01:17:58,820
to be pointed out about this movie is that when they are doing the.

1173
01:17:58,980 --> 01:18:02,140
And I'm not going to say parodies, but when they are

1174
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:06,460
doing the different genres that they're attempting to like,

1175
01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:10,940
recreate, they do actually, like, get pretty

1176
01:18:11,440 --> 01:18:15,780
close. Like, the film noir scenes are shot really beautifully.

1177
01:18:15,940 --> 01:18:19,700
The ninja action that takes place on the roof in the skyscraper

1178
01:18:20,020 --> 01:18:23,580
looks like those Hong Kong and Japanese movies that

1179
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:27,500
are kind of grainy but beautiful and like the.

1180
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:31,380
The way it's framed and stuff actually looks really good. And sure, yeah,

1181
01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:35,460
there's a few, like, shootouts in some cheap locations and a few fights that

1182
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:40,300
take place clearly in like, you know, cheap high

1183
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:44,380
rises that they've rented out or whatever. But in general, the action

1184
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:48,900
looks good. New Orleans looks good. The film noir

1185
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:52,960
stuff looks good. Like it? Yes, it's charismatic

1186
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:57,000
in terms of. In front of the screen, but I also think

1187
01:18:57,500 --> 01:19:00,480
there's some charisma working behind the screen. And again,

1188
01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:04,800
I don't know because I haven't seen any other Rod Hewitt films, but I.

1189
01:19:05,300 --> 01:19:08,880
And I'm interested to see them. But I do wonder if that isn't partly

1190
01:19:09,380 --> 01:19:12,800
David Winters. And I only say that because of David Winters legacy in the industry.

1191
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:18,230
He had just been around longer and possibly had a little bit more knowledge.

1192
01:19:18,730 --> 01:19:21,910
You know what I mean? Well, if you look at David Winter's output and

1193
01:19:22,410 --> 01:19:25,550
it's. It's pretty impressive for genre stuff because,

1194
01:19:25,630 --> 01:19:28,870
like, you mentioned the. The Monkeys and Gary Loves

1195
01:19:29,370 --> 01:19:32,830
the Monkeys with. With the. The Beating of his Heart, the TV show and,

1196
01:19:33,330 --> 01:19:36,750
and. And the band, of course. But if you look at the stuff he made,

1197
01:19:37,070 --> 01:19:40,750
you know, he made. And I own this on Lasers

1198
01:19:41,150 --> 01:19:44,350
Fire. Oh, this. He was a producer on this. On Firehead,

1199
01:19:46,630 --> 01:19:50,430
which is when a Russian cyborg with telekinetic powers terrorizes

1200
01:19:50,930 --> 01:19:54,790
a city and a lead government agency intervenes. A chemist teams

1201
01:19:55,290 --> 01:19:59,230
up with a special agent to capture the menace, but they find out that

1202
01:19:59,730 --> 01:20:03,070
the true villain isn't what they expected. Now, I have to mention this, Bill,

1203
01:20:03,570 --> 01:20:08,230
because we may do this one day. It stars Christopher Plummer and

1204
01:20:08,730 --> 01:20:11,840
Martin Landau, and this is a VIP joint and.

1205
01:20:11,990 --> 01:20:15,550
Which made nothing but good trash. So there's

1206
01:20:16,050 --> 01:20:19,830
that. He was a producer on that, though. As far as directing goes,

1207
01:20:20,230 --> 01:20:23,910
one of the things that stuck to me that I've seen is Thrashing,

1208
01:20:24,470 --> 01:20:28,590
which is a teenage skateboarding movie with Josh

1209
01:20:29,090 --> 01:20:35,750
Brolin and of course, The Great Nightmare

1210
01:20:36,250 --> 01:20:39,440
2. Robert Rustler is the

1211
01:20:39,940 --> 01:20:43,680
protagonist, the opposite skate team guy.

1212
01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:48,120
And this is a skateboarding film. A guy who had no

1213
01:20:48,620 --> 01:20:52,320
experience making this kind of stuff. But the skateboarding scenes

1214
01:20:53,040 --> 01:20:55,920
look professional. They look phenomenal.

1215
01:20:56,720 --> 01:21:00,000
But more action stuff. He made Mission

1216
01:21:00,500 --> 01:21:04,000
Kill with Robert Ginty. He worked with Cameron Mitchell a

1217
01:21:04,500 --> 01:21:08,040
lot, apparently. So this is the one that stars Robert Ginty,

1218
01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:10,840
Karen Mitchell, Olivia Dabo,

1219
01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:14,760
and yeah, some of this was

1220
01:21:15,260 --> 01:21:17,480
Karen Mitchell too. You can look it up real fast.

1221
01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:21,560
One has Ali Reid in it. I think this is the one. Rage to Kill.

1222
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:25,800
Rage to Kill has Dum Dum Dum Dum, James Ryan,

1223
01:21:26,040 --> 01:21:29,640
Oliver Reed and Cameron Mitchell. So he works Cameron Mitchell a bunch,

1224
01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:34,190
but he has the ability to make these, these action movies. And I,

1225
01:21:34,690 --> 01:21:38,430
I gotta see these. But I, I'll go back to thrashing again though, because thrashing,

1226
01:21:38,750 --> 01:21:42,590
you're for a guy who had no experience filming

1227
01:21:42,670 --> 01:21:46,110
skate stunts or what a skate stunt should look

1228
01:21:46,610 --> 01:21:51,630
like. He adapted himself to that. And this,

1229
01:21:52,110 --> 01:21:55,710
this film is, is a testament to, I, I think more

1230
01:21:56,210 --> 01:22:00,230
him than Rod Hewitt as far as, like, experience goes, making an

1231
01:22:00,730 --> 01:22:04,550
action movie. Yeah. And I'm also thinking, you know, obviously I won't

1232
01:22:05,050 --> 01:22:09,830
be able to confirm it 100 until obviously I watch more Rod

1233
01:22:10,330 --> 01:22:13,750
Hewitt movies and also watch more David Winters movies. But for

1234
01:22:14,250 --> 01:22:17,950
example, something else I just looked up, there were two cinematographers

1235
01:22:18,450 --> 01:22:22,430
on this, which makes me think again that like, David Winter started

1236
01:22:22,510 --> 01:22:26,270
it and then Rod Hewitt came in to like, finish it or something.

1237
01:22:27,330 --> 01:22:31,170
And one, you know, both, both director photographers, Irv Good

1238
01:22:31,330 --> 01:22:34,930
Goodnoff and Christopher Whaling or Walling.

1239
01:22:35,890 --> 01:22:39,250
Chris. Christopher Walling have both done a lot of

1240
01:22:40,370 --> 01:22:43,930
genre stuff and have both done a

1241
01:22:44,430 --> 01:22:47,890
lot of like, B movie stuff and things.

1242
01:22:48,210 --> 01:22:51,690
But I do think, I think the original team behind this movie

1243
01:22:52,190 --> 01:22:55,370
was David Winters and Irv good enough because Irv Goodnov

1244
01:22:55,870 --> 01:23:00,010
has a slightly better and slightly more respect respectable

1245
01:23:00,810 --> 01:23:05,330
past as a cinematographer than Christopher

1246
01:23:05,830 --> 01:23:09,250
Walling. But Christopher Walling looks to still be working today and

1247
01:23:09,750 --> 01:23:13,850
has done a lot more stuff in the last like 10, 15 years

1248
01:23:14,090 --> 01:23:17,850
than he had done prior to working

1249
01:23:18,010 --> 01:23:21,760
on the Dangerous. So I think that either

1250
01:23:22,260 --> 01:23:25,240
Crystal Walling was like Irv Goodnoff's like,

1251
01:23:25,740 --> 01:23:28,480
Apprentice and they both got credit on the movie,

1252
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:32,800
or, you know, Irv and Dave left the movie

1253
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:37,120
and Rod and Chris finished it up. But Irv

1254
01:23:37,620 --> 01:23:41,680
was known for shooting stuff like Evil Speak, the Van,

1255
01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:45,840
Super Van. He shot both Super Van and the Van.

1256
01:23:46,820 --> 01:23:51,300
He, he shot Evil Speak. He shot some music videos for Jefferson

1257
01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:55,180
Starship. He shot the Iron Triangle, Object of Desire The

1258
01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:59,700
Resurrected in Between with Robert Forster and Wings Hauser.

1259
01:24:01,540 --> 01:24:04,340
So I, I think, you know, after this he would go on and do Extra

1260
01:24:04,840 --> 01:24:08,540
three, Watch the Skies and a bunch of other movies. But I think that

1261
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:12,100
maybe he is the one we've got to thank a little bit for the,

1262
01:24:13,110 --> 01:24:16,350
the cinematography in the, in the Dangerous, I think. So there's clearly

1263
01:24:16,850 --> 01:24:20,150
a store story behind this that, that, I don't know. We can only really

1264
01:24:20,650 --> 01:24:24,390
scratch the surface of, I think, just by assuming stuff. Oh,

1265
01:24:24,890 --> 01:24:27,270
and as our friend Kyle would say, breaking news.

1266
01:24:28,310 --> 01:24:31,710
Don't tell me the IMDb doesn't put up more nuggets for us

1267
01:24:32,210 --> 01:24:36,550
to watch. Not a parade jam, but a possible VHS jam also

1268
01:24:37,050 --> 01:24:40,240
set in New Orleans, Also done in 1995,

1269
01:24:40,740 --> 01:24:44,280
starring Robert Davi, Body Count aka Codename,

1270
01:24:44,780 --> 01:24:48,200
the Codename Silencer. New Orleans cops

1271
01:24:48,700 --> 01:24:52,200
try to capture two ruthless assassins who are trying to avenge themselves against

1272
01:24:52,700 --> 01:24:56,160
cops who had previously set them up. This stars Dobby,

1273
01:24:56,640 --> 01:24:59,200
Stephen Bauer, Brigitte Nielsen,

1274
01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:02,080
Sonny Chiba and Jan Michael Vincent.

1275
01:25:04,330 --> 01:25:06,970
David A. Pryor written movie.

1276
01:25:07,770 --> 01:25:11,050
Oh my gosh, it has, it has to be good. It has to be.

1277
01:25:11,550 --> 01:25:12,250
How do you know? But.

1278
01:25:14,570 --> 01:25:18,090
It'S got Sonny Cheever in it and it's got Jan Michael

1279
01:25:18,590 --> 01:25:21,930
Vincent as well. That's crazy because that is streaming on prime as well,

1280
01:25:22,430 --> 01:25:24,410
so I may watch it at work in the morning. We'll see.

1281
01:25:25,610 --> 01:25:29,530
Oh, and this is what I love is the, the more scabs you pick of

1282
01:25:30,110 --> 01:25:33,950
B movie action in the 90s, the more wounds are revealed.

1283
01:25:34,110 --> 01:25:38,030
And I mean that, that's probably a, an ugly metaphor,

1284
01:25:38,530 --> 01:25:42,150
but I don't know, you know what I mean? Like when you find one that

1285
01:25:42,650 --> 01:25:46,510
you love, you're like, all right, what's David. What else was Davion

1286
01:25:47,010 --> 01:25:50,150
around this time? What else was Parade in around this time? What else did Rod

1287
01:25:50,650 --> 01:25:53,430
Hewitt do? What else did David Winters do? What else does the cinematographers do?

1288
01:25:53,930 --> 01:25:58,190
Like you start to go down a, a road and, and, and only beauty

1289
01:25:58,690 --> 01:26:02,110
lies at the end of it, apparently. Oh yeah, for sure,

1290
01:26:02,610 --> 01:26:05,950
for sure. We want to go much deeper on this,

1291
01:26:06,450 --> 01:26:10,630
on this, this action jam, which I, I, I, I gotta

1292
01:26:11,130 --> 01:26:14,630
say, you know, for a film that has, has not seen the dvd, the film

1293
01:26:15,130 --> 01:26:18,430
Rise print they have on prime and on on to be.

1294
01:26:19,150 --> 01:26:21,950
It looks, it looks phenomenal. I don't know where you get these prints from,

1295
01:26:22,340 --> 01:26:26,220
but yeah, you kind of hope that somebody internationally or

1296
01:26:26,720 --> 01:26:29,140
otherwise will, will put this on a Blu Ray one day. Like I could.

1297
01:26:29,380 --> 01:26:32,860
They put less on a Vinegar syndrome Blu ray, so I

1298
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:36,740
would hope they get some, it puts some materials together

1299
01:26:36,820 --> 01:26:40,260
and this gets like a pretty sweet release from

1300
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:42,660
like a Vinegar syndrome. I would hope so.

1301
01:26:43,540 --> 01:26:48,350
Well, yeah, I mean at the moment Film Rides is doing deals with my

1302
01:26:48,850 --> 01:26:52,870
buddy over in Switzerland, Claudia Ulrich, who is, who works

1303
01:26:53,370 --> 01:26:56,830
for the company that's putting out all the PM Entertainment movies,

1304
01:26:57,330 --> 01:27:00,910
Focus Media Focus with a K who's putting out all the PM

1305
01:27:01,410 --> 01:27:04,830
Entertainment movies on Blu Ray at the moment. And so if Film Rise,

1306
01:27:05,790 --> 01:27:09,190
and I think Film Rise, like buying up Echo Bridge because a lot of

1307
01:27:09,690 --> 01:27:12,630
this stuff used to be owned by Echo Bridge. All the PM stuff was Echo

1308
01:27:13,130 --> 01:27:16,760
Bridge. So I feel like Filmrise has purchased Echo Bridge in

1309
01:27:17,260 --> 01:27:20,360
the last few years, whatever. Obviously Filmrise has flooded

1310
01:27:20,860 --> 01:27:24,080
it out onto streaming. But I think, you know,

1311
01:27:24,580 --> 01:27:28,880
Filmrise has got to look around the world, see what's happening with boutique

1312
01:27:29,380 --> 01:27:33,280
Blu Ray. See the fact that those Focus Media PM Entertainment Blu Rays are

1313
01:27:33,780 --> 01:27:37,280
selling out both in Europe and in America. And I think they're

1314
01:27:37,780 --> 01:27:40,990
going to want to sell like they're going to want to do a deal with

1315
01:27:41,490 --> 01:27:45,190
a Vinegar Syndrome or a Arrow or a Blue Underground or someone

1316
01:27:45,590 --> 01:27:48,070
or a Synapse or a, you know,

1317
01:27:48,630 --> 01:27:51,630
Code Red or someone like that and just be like here,

1318
01:27:52,130 --> 01:27:55,030
here's our library. You know, put three out a month or whatever.

1319
01:27:55,190 --> 01:27:58,430
Because when the Film rise. I'm sorry,

1320
01:27:58,930 --> 01:28:02,070
it does happen because the next one we're going to talk about had a keynote

1321
01:28:02,570 --> 01:28:05,910
release that's out of print now, but now it's been released by ADA Films,

1322
01:28:06,410 --> 01:28:09,590
I'd imagine like almost the same print and the same commentary and everything.

1323
01:28:11,340 --> 01:28:15,580
Oh yeah. I mean Charles Band or shop his stuff around until someone's

1324
01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:19,660
willing to pay for it. And I know that Empire is slightly different to

1325
01:28:20,460 --> 01:28:24,180
Full Moon in terms of what he owns versus what they own because I know

1326
01:28:24,680 --> 01:28:28,260
that he's been putting out a ton of Full Moon stuff on

1327
01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:32,100
Blu Ray himself. But I also know that there are a few key titles from

1328
01:28:32,600 --> 01:28:36,340
the Empire days. Like Arrow for example, did that video store box set that

1329
01:28:36,840 --> 01:28:40,350
was really just five Empire movies, dolls,

1330
01:28:40,670 --> 01:28:44,030
robojox and

1331
01:28:44,530 --> 01:28:48,230
a couple of others. Arena I think not the Pam Grier arena, the other

1332
01:28:48,730 --> 01:28:50,590
one and a couple of others.

1333
01:28:52,030 --> 01:28:55,390
Eliminators. Yes, Arrows definitely owned some

1334
01:28:55,890 --> 01:28:59,230
of the Empire stuff. Kino obviously had it for a hot minute.

1335
01:28:59,730 --> 01:29:03,670
So yeah, I mean that stuff because it's a. There's enough well known titles,

1336
01:29:04,170 --> 01:29:07,330
Reanimator, Castle, Freak, things like that that'll always

1337
01:29:07,830 --> 01:29:09,890
be being shipped around I guess.

1338
01:29:10,450 --> 01:29:14,930
Trances of course has had a Blu ray and a 4K and now trances

1339
01:29:15,010 --> 01:29:19,130
Noir is coming out or some. So yeah,

1340
01:29:19,630 --> 01:29:23,930
I Mean, so there's, there's. Still money in them Hills unrelated

1341
01:29:24,430 --> 01:29:28,170
this film, but really the next film. Have you seen the, the release that's

1342
01:29:28,670 --> 01:29:30,770
coming for, for the brand new Transfers Blu ray?

1343
01:29:34,620 --> 01:29:37,980
What? Trances Noir, the one that I just spoke about. No,

1344
01:29:38,480 --> 01:29:42,580
no, no, there's a new, a new transfer that's being released by not, Not Charlie

1345
01:29:43,080 --> 01:29:47,140
Band. That, that. Oh, I don't know. Yeah, I'll find the link

1346
01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:50,900
for you to send it to you. Oh yeah, no, I mean I know

1347
01:29:51,400 --> 01:29:55,220
that they're doing. I know they're doing a 4K that, that is like

1348
01:29:55,720 --> 01:29:59,390
kind of chrome and black rather than color and they're

1349
01:29:59,890 --> 01:30:03,270
calling it Trances Noir. And that's, that's meant

1350
01:30:03,770 --> 01:30:07,310
to be coming and looks absolutely fantastic. Kind of leaning heavier

1351
01:30:07,810 --> 01:30:11,230
into the noir tones of trances

1352
01:30:11,390 --> 01:30:15,030
rather than the Blade Runner ripoff start

1353
01:30:15,530 --> 01:30:18,950
stuff of trances. But yeah, I mean those, those blu rays

1354
01:30:19,450 --> 01:30:22,990
and 4Ks have kicked around a little bit. So you know,

1355
01:30:23,070 --> 01:30:27,310
we'll, we'll wait and see. Zone Troopers definitely deserves its

1356
01:30:27,810 --> 01:30:31,390
own special edition as well because boy, is this a fun movie.

1357
01:31:54,460 --> 01:31:58,060
Zone Troopers, it takes war to

1358
01:31:58,560 --> 01:31:59,420
another dimension.

1359
01:32:05,820 --> 01:32:08,540
Yeah. And let's go there right now.

1360
01:32:09,760 --> 01:32:13,120
Yeah. Zone Troopers 1985

1361
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:19,560
is a magical film produced in the Empire system when

1362
01:32:20,060 --> 01:32:22,880
they had their beautiful Italian studio at their disposal.

1363
01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:27,200
And this film, your chief applause

1364
01:32:27,700 --> 01:32:31,840
synopsis is this. In Italy during World War II. So American soldiers

1365
01:32:32,340 --> 01:32:36,160
find an alien UFO and that's weak sauce. IMDb again.

1366
01:32:37,010 --> 01:32:40,850
Oh my gosh. There's so much more to it than this. Directed by Danny

1367
01:32:41,350 --> 01:32:45,090
Bilson who gave us some, some great, great stuff.

1368
01:32:46,210 --> 01:32:50,170
Just talked about him recently, I believe. But writing credits

1369
01:32:50,670 --> 01:32:56,610
and directing credits are phenomenal from this guy. Directed the

1370
01:32:57,110 --> 01:33:01,610
Five Bloods recently for, for Spike Lee transfers

1371
01:33:02,110 --> 01:33:05,740
five Sudden death. Okay. But not as good as the other stuff

1372
01:33:06,240 --> 01:33:08,420
that he. Yeah. Carrick, where we at here?

1373
01:33:10,420 --> 01:33:13,940
Worked on The Story of Ghoulies 2 with Charlie Band. Worked a lot of Charlie

1374
01:33:14,440 --> 01:33:18,660
Band. Wrote the first transfers, wrote Zone Troopers Eliminators.

1375
01:33:19,300 --> 01:33:22,420
Some pretty banging Empire freaking content,

1376
01:33:23,300 --> 01:33:27,020
you know. Wrote a road arena

1377
01:33:27,520 --> 01:33:31,510
for Charlie Band, helped help develop the

1378
01:33:32,010 --> 01:33:37,670
John Wesley ship Flash TV show for this, for tv wrote

1379
01:33:38,170 --> 01:33:41,230
the Rocketeer. One of my favorite. Again, the guy knows how

1380
01:33:41,730 --> 01:33:45,270
to do World War II perfect films of the 90s. Is the

1381
01:33:45,770 --> 01:33:48,950
Rocketeer to me, I love it to death and didn't get a

1382
01:33:49,450 --> 01:33:52,950
big reception. But you know what? It's love now and that's all that matters

1383
01:33:53,450 --> 01:33:56,680
to me. But yeah, Billson's got some cred, man.

1384
01:33:56,920 --> 01:34:00,320
And it shows in this movie. You know,

1385
01:34:00,820 --> 01:34:04,240
working in that system and also written by Bilson

1386
01:34:04,740 --> 01:34:08,440
and Paul Demeo and another Empire guy. But this,

1387
01:34:08,680 --> 01:34:12,080
this stars, you know, again, half the

1388
01:34:12,580 --> 01:34:16,040
casting transfers in this movie. Tim Tom is the Sarge,

1389
01:34:16,120 --> 01:34:19,960
who you may know as Trooper Death and tons

1390
01:34:20,460 --> 01:34:21,960
of other things from the Transfer series.

1391
01:34:22,950 --> 01:34:26,550
Rhinestone, Near Dark. Yes, I mentioned

1392
01:34:27,050 --> 01:34:29,990
Rhinestone because it's a pure good. I'll throw it out there all day long.

1393
01:34:31,590 --> 01:34:35,670
Art Lafleur as Mittens McNulty for

1394
01:34:36,170 --> 01:34:39,030
Far From Transfers, of course,

1395
01:34:39,270 --> 01:34:42,830
tons of things. The Sandlot. If you guys

1396
01:34:43,330 --> 01:34:47,230
know Art La Flora Space, he's been in an infinite amount

1397
01:34:47,730 --> 01:34:51,430
of things. Biff Maynard as Dolan,

1398
01:34:52,150 --> 01:34:54,950
you may know him as Hap Ashby from the Transfer series.

1399
01:34:55,750 --> 01:34:59,950
And Timothy Van Patten, the young buck of the group class

1400
01:35:00,450 --> 01:35:03,510
of 1999. The wrong guys.

1401
01:35:03,590 --> 01:35:07,430
Underrated comedy. He's in that movie works,

1402
01:35:07,930 --> 01:35:11,270
works for so long and is, is still, is still working to

1403
01:35:11,770 --> 01:35:15,270
this day. But you know, his earlier work is, is what I,

1404
01:35:15,430 --> 01:35:18,970
I admire the most. And, but it's nice to see a guy

1405
01:35:19,470 --> 01:35:23,370
like, like freaking Timothy Van Patten still

1406
01:35:23,870 --> 01:35:27,290
working, directing, producing as well. But yeah,

1407
01:35:27,370 --> 01:35:30,690
I, I, I, I gotta show him some love. And it

1408
01:35:31,190 --> 01:35:35,130
shows films. I mean talk, talk about costs. The Wrong guys,

1409
01:35:35,630 --> 01:35:39,370
man. The cost of the wrong guys. Louie,

1410
01:35:40,890 --> 01:35:43,860
sorry. Go, you go. Go for it, man. No,

1411
01:35:44,020 --> 01:35:47,860
Louis Anderson, Richard Lewis, Richard Belzer, Tim Thomason,

1412
01:35:48,360 --> 01:35:51,740
Brian James, Biff Maynard, John Goodman and Ernie Hudson

1413
01:35:52,240 --> 01:35:56,180
and Timothy Van Patten and that's just like the top 10

1414
01:35:56,680 --> 01:35:59,940
or whatever. Like there's even more down in the, you get Jonathan Brandis in there,

1415
01:36:00,440 --> 01:36:03,060
Josh Horowitz, Rita Rudner shows up,

1416
01:36:04,340 --> 01:36:07,780
all sorts of art, the flows in there, as you said. Kathleen Freeman,

1417
01:36:08,990 --> 01:36:13,070
of course, who we all know from the, from the Blues Brothers and

1418
01:36:13,310 --> 01:36:15,870
Dragnet and others. Yeah, wonderful.

1419
01:36:17,390 --> 01:36:20,270
I, I know it's about grown men camping and shit,

1420
01:36:20,430 --> 01:36:23,670
like little kids. But you know what? I kind of got to rewatch the Wrong

1421
01:36:24,170 --> 01:36:27,630
Guys now. Yeah, definitely. I can't believe I've never seen

1422
01:36:28,130 --> 01:36:31,030
it. I need to see this movie yesterday. It's,

1423
01:36:31,530 --> 01:36:34,750
it's, it's, it's pretty, it's pretty handy. But it's pretty good though.

1424
01:36:35,710 --> 01:36:39,030
But this is a film where,

1425
01:36:39,530 --> 01:36:43,590
if you see the poster, it looks like, you know, your typical alien invasion

1426
01:36:44,090 --> 01:36:48,190
movie. There's a furry headed alien who you see in this film at

1427
01:36:48,690 --> 01:36:51,510
the front. You're doing the I want you thing, you know, so if you see

1428
01:36:52,010 --> 01:36:55,310
this, it looks a little silly as a rental to say, hey,

1429
01:36:55,470 --> 01:36:58,910
I'm gonna grab this first. But there's a whole, there's so

1430
01:36:59,410 --> 01:37:02,750
much meat in this movie, basically the remainder of this

1431
01:37:03,250 --> 01:37:07,350
platoon is trapped behind enemy lines and Nazi

1432
01:37:07,850 --> 01:37:11,590
occupied Italy. And they find, they find a

1433
01:37:12,090 --> 01:37:15,550
crashed alien ship and they find an egg.

1434
01:37:16,110 --> 01:37:19,310
The egg hatches and makes and comes out

1435
01:37:19,810 --> 01:37:21,710
this furry head alien that you see on the front cover.

1436
01:37:22,590 --> 01:37:26,750
And the Nazis are aware of this. And then they,

1437
01:37:26,990 --> 01:37:30,860
along with Adolf Hitler, of course, are after the

1438
01:37:31,360 --> 01:37:34,780
alien and the alien technology with, with these guys,

1439
01:37:35,420 --> 01:37:39,580
you know, on the run and getting captured.

1440
01:37:39,740 --> 01:37:42,380
And this, this is,

1441
01:37:43,260 --> 01:37:46,660
I, I mentioned this in a post. This is about as fun as

1442
01:37:47,160 --> 01:37:50,580
you can have with a World War II film. It takes all the

1443
01:37:51,080 --> 01:37:54,260
depression out of it and, and you should be depressed when you think about World

1444
01:37:54,760 --> 01:37:58,380
War II, but this, this makes it fun. So,

1445
01:37:58,540 --> 01:38:01,500
John, initial thoughts for you, Sir?

1446
01:38:03,980 --> 01:38:08,060
Oh, Zone Troopers. So this is one that I watched earlier

1447
01:38:08,560 --> 01:38:12,020
in the year or end of last year, I forget when, certainly within the last

1448
01:38:12,520 --> 01:38:15,860
six to eight months on vhs, because it was one of those, you know,

1449
01:38:16,360 --> 01:38:19,660
I, I, I buy a lot in bulk for my store. I was last year,

1450
01:38:20,160 --> 01:38:23,690
not so much this year. And very often you would get, you know,

1451
01:38:23,850 --> 01:38:27,410
the 15 movies that I would recognize. I'd be like, sure, I'll put those out

1452
01:38:27,910 --> 01:38:30,850
on the shelves. And then the five movies in the, in the big box where

1453
01:38:31,350 --> 01:38:34,170
you're like, I've heard of it. I know that it's, you know,

1454
01:38:34,670 --> 01:38:37,530
Charles Band and blah, blah, blah, blah, but I've never seen it. Oh, look,

1455
01:38:38,030 --> 01:38:41,370
Tim Thomas and Art lafleur. Let's put it in. And you know,

1456
01:38:41,870 --> 01:38:46,820
I was expecting something, you know, cheap and cheerful and

1457
01:38:47,320 --> 01:38:50,740
watchable, but not necessarily great. The thing that

1458
01:38:51,240 --> 01:38:55,500
this movie does so very well, and it's

1459
01:38:56,000 --> 01:38:58,980
almost like what I was saying about the Dangerous. Although the Dangerous does it for

1460
01:38:59,480 --> 01:39:02,940
individual scenes because every scene, they're kind of changing

1461
01:39:03,440 --> 01:39:06,740
genres, so every scene needs to be kind of filmed and shot in a different

1462
01:39:07,240 --> 01:39:10,260
way. What this does so well, what Zone Troopers does so well,

1463
01:39:11,060 --> 01:39:14,830
is establishing everything

1464
01:39:14,910 --> 01:39:17,990
I love about World War II men on a Mission

1465
01:39:18,490 --> 01:39:21,950
movie. Like, you know, they have a low budget. You know, they're shooting out in,

1466
01:39:22,450 --> 01:39:25,790
in, in Italy at the studios there and also at the castle

1467
01:39:26,290 --> 01:39:29,830
that Charles Band owned in Italy for a while. And you know that they're just

1468
01:39:30,330 --> 01:39:33,590
using the woodland and the fields around that property. But it doesn't

1469
01:39:34,090 --> 01:39:36,990
matter the, the first of all who they've cast,

1470
01:39:37,150 --> 01:39:41,050
every single one of them to a man, absolutely fantastic.

1471
01:39:41,370 --> 01:39:45,210
Secondly, they each establish their characters and stick to their characters.

1472
01:39:45,710 --> 01:39:49,170
And their characters are both tropes.

1473
01:39:49,670 --> 01:39:52,570
They're tropes from other Men on a mission. World War II movies. That you've seen,

1474
01:39:52,810 --> 01:39:56,890
but they also just have their own unique, like either Empire

1475
01:39:57,390 --> 01:40:00,890
twist on them or twist based on the actors who are playing

1476
01:40:01,390 --> 01:40:05,250
them. And then also the way they shoot stuff, the way they film

1477
01:40:05,750 --> 01:40:09,030
stuff, the way they set stuff up, it's done really,

1478
01:40:09,530 --> 01:40:12,750
really well. And then once you through all the war stuff is

1479
01:40:13,250 --> 01:40:15,870
done really well, all the men on the mission stuff, you know, all the.

1480
01:40:16,030 --> 01:40:19,950
Do you have a lady back home, Sarge? And, and you know, I'll trade you

1481
01:40:20,450 --> 01:40:23,390
some candy for a cigarettes and all that kind of stuff that,

1482
01:40:23,710 --> 01:40:27,350
that sort of on the sidelines or the periphery of, of like

1483
01:40:27,850 --> 01:40:31,750
a regular cheesy World War II men on a mission movie. They, they do

1484
01:40:32,250 --> 01:40:36,000
it all so well. I've got general respect for someone who, who goes,

1485
01:40:36,500 --> 01:40:39,200
okay, we're gonna make a genre pick. The genre pick is gonna begin World War

1486
01:40:39,700 --> 01:40:42,680
II. We're gonna get to the alien invasion stuff a bit later. But basically this

1487
01:40:43,180 --> 01:40:46,240
is gonna start out as a authentic World War II,

1488
01:40:46,560 --> 01:40:49,840
you know, daring do, Men on a mission, you know,

1489
01:40:50,000 --> 01:40:53,560
gee, Sarge, do you think, you know, we'll ever end this stupid war kind

1490
01:40:54,060 --> 01:40:57,280
of movie? Right? Those kind of films, if you can get that right,

1491
01:40:57,780 --> 01:41:01,240
if you are nailing the genre, everything else you add to it,

1492
01:41:01,740 --> 01:41:05,240
like, you know, aliens and Nazis and crash spaceships and

1493
01:41:05,480 --> 01:41:09,000
weird laser guns and whatever, all of that will work

1494
01:41:09,160 --> 01:41:13,400
because you've nailed the initial, I'm already in the movie.

1495
01:41:13,560 --> 01:41:18,160
You've set your table so well that I'm already suspending

1496
01:41:18,660 --> 01:41:22,000
disbelief and going, oh, no, that's Tim Thomasin behind enemy

1497
01:41:22,500 --> 01:41:25,920
lines in World War II. Like, I've already, you've already allowed me to make the

1498
01:41:26,420 --> 01:41:30,160
leap and be in the movie. So then if you have heroes discovering

1499
01:41:30,320 --> 01:41:34,160
a crashed spaceship and there are aliens wandering around a laser guns,

1500
01:41:34,560 --> 01:41:37,840
I'm fine with that because I like the characters

1501
01:41:38,800 --> 01:41:42,440
discovering that within the time that I'm expecting to be discovering

1502
01:41:42,940 --> 01:41:45,920
it. So, you know, and then once they go inside the alien spaceship and again,

1503
01:41:46,420 --> 01:41:50,360
I'm sure this is just a set that was knocking around Italy that like

1504
01:41:50,860 --> 01:41:53,940
Charles Band used probably for 20 movies. I have no idea. But like

1505
01:41:54,440 --> 01:41:58,380
that long corridor in the spaceship with the pink and the chrome and the

1506
01:41:58,880 --> 01:42:02,460
wires hanging down and the pipes piping and everything like that. The way it's

1507
01:42:02,960 --> 01:42:06,900
shot, the way they are inside it, the way it's done, it's done really well.

1508
01:42:07,400 --> 01:42:11,820
And yeah, okay, it's a B movie alien spaceship and there's rubber mask aliens

1509
01:42:12,320 --> 01:42:15,780
running around and stuff. But it's, it's. That is almost

1510
01:42:16,180 --> 01:42:19,900
time and era Appropriate because what I love about this movie

1511
01:42:20,400 --> 01:42:23,960
as well is that, you know, there were the, whether it was the

1512
01:42:24,460 --> 01:42:28,680
EC comics or whether it was like some of the more sci

1513
01:42:29,180 --> 01:42:32,440
fi stuff or whatever it was from the 40s and 50s, you know,

1514
01:42:32,940 --> 01:42:37,040
they were already telling those like, you know, saucer men from Mars stories

1515
01:42:37,360 --> 01:42:40,640
when World War II was going on. So the idea that you would

1516
01:42:41,140 --> 01:42:44,840
like blend these two things together and, and put them in the same place kind

1517
01:42:45,340 --> 01:42:48,240
of fits. Like it all sort of makes sense. So even when they start to

1518
01:42:48,750 --> 01:42:52,550
blend the genres or push the genres together, it doesn't

1519
01:42:53,050 --> 01:42:56,350
matter that the aliens are sort of slightly B movie. First of all,

1520
01:42:56,430 --> 01:43:00,430
I love that I'm all about practical sets and practical rubber suits

1521
01:43:00,930 --> 01:43:04,389
and you know, weird little ray guns and I love all that stuff. I'd much

1522
01:43:04,889 --> 01:43:08,190
rather that than a, than CGI or you know,

1523
01:43:08,690 --> 01:43:11,670
incredible makeup or whatever. But beyond that,

1524
01:43:12,170 --> 01:43:16,000
it fits in a meta way within the science fiction

1525
01:43:16,500 --> 01:43:20,040
stories they would have been telling in the forties at that

1526
01:43:20,540 --> 01:43:24,040
time. So it just works and it works on all levels

1527
01:43:24,540 --> 01:43:28,240
and it's super fun and everyone is having a ton of fun and

1528
01:43:28,740 --> 01:43:32,400
art lafleur gets to knock out Hitler and it's just, it's.

1529
01:43:32,720 --> 01:43:35,360
I unabashedly love this movie.

1530
01:43:36,960 --> 01:43:40,200
Oh man, I feel you in every aspect. And this isn't a film I liked

1531
01:43:40,700 --> 01:43:43,860
initially on when I first saw it because back in the day I would

1532
01:43:44,360 --> 01:43:47,580
like eat up everything Charles Band. So I watched this and

1533
01:43:48,140 --> 01:43:51,420
probably not knowing it was a Charles Band film, but just by the COVID looked

1534
01:43:51,920 --> 01:43:55,740
really silly. So I, I wasn't feeling it as probably like

1535
01:43:56,380 --> 01:44:00,300
11 year old me, but not now that I'm, I'm older.

1536
01:44:00,800 --> 01:44:04,940
I, And I know you know this, this noir stuff

1537
01:44:05,440 --> 01:44:08,700
and these old comic book sci fi stuff a lot more than then.

1538
01:44:09,670 --> 01:44:12,870
I, I have to love a film like Zone Troopers.

1539
01:44:13,190 --> 01:44:16,550
I mean the simplicity of it. You know, these four guys,

1540
01:44:17,050 --> 01:44:20,910
four guys are left from their platoon, you know, left. They, they, they find,

1541
01:44:21,410 --> 01:44:25,590
they find this thing. And of course the Nazis know about this

1542
01:44:26,090 --> 01:44:29,950
thing. Kind of, you don't really ask questions how about how, how the

1543
01:44:30,450 --> 01:44:33,990
Nazis or why they're after this, this, this, this ship. But maybe one of their

1544
01:44:34,490 --> 01:44:37,940
guys saw it. This is not known. But you don't

1545
01:44:38,440 --> 01:44:41,700
care because you're in it with these pretty four

1546
01:44:42,200 --> 01:44:46,100
charismatic guys. You got Thomason, LaFleur, Dolan and Van

1547
01:44:46,600 --> 01:44:49,860
Patten, you know, who proved themselves, I mean Van Patten

1548
01:44:50,360 --> 01:44:54,100
at a young age. You Watch Class of 1982, you knew that kid was

1549
01:44:54,600 --> 01:44:57,740
going to be a star. I mean just a Charismatic. You know,

1550
01:44:58,140 --> 01:45:01,300
I forget his name in the movie. He's like the gang leader in class of

1551
01:45:01,800 --> 01:45:06,740
1984. I'm sorry. And it

1552
01:45:07,240 --> 01:45:10,260
just, you knew from that, from then that he was going to be a star.

1553
01:45:10,500 --> 01:45:14,460
And he, he plays like this dopey

1554
01:45:14,960 --> 01:45:18,460
foil to these, these hardened veterans who've seen a lot of

1555
01:45:18,960 --> 01:45:21,780
combat. He's brand new to it. But the team,

1556
01:45:21,940 --> 01:45:25,540
the team, their journey. We did reading Monuments

1557
01:45:26,040 --> 01:45:29,820
Men recently, okay. Which is a film that should have worked

1558
01:45:30,320 --> 01:45:33,890
like this. But they, they broke up the team in that movie.

1559
01:45:34,530 --> 01:45:37,530
They kept team together, the other small team. And I love,

1560
01:45:38,030 --> 01:45:41,450
I love people again, going back to stupid goofy stuff.

1561
01:45:41,950 --> 01:45:45,250
Like I love this, that the Hack Snyder dawn of the Dead movie.

1562
01:45:45,730 --> 01:45:48,850
But it doesn't have the same gravitas as the original one

1563
01:45:49,350 --> 01:45:51,490
because in the original one you have four people.

1564
01:45:52,130 --> 01:45:55,450
And in that two and a half hours, you give a shit about those

1565
01:45:55,950 --> 01:45:59,540
four people and those four people alone. This, this,

1566
01:46:00,040 --> 01:46:03,540
this builds these characters from characters that you don't know at all.

1567
01:46:04,180 --> 01:46:07,460
And they, they, they make them fun. You know,

1568
01:46:07,540 --> 01:46:11,460
I'm gonna call them hap Ashby and McNulty. When they get captured,

1569
01:46:12,500 --> 01:46:16,460
they're together. This is the only time they really separate. And the

1570
01:46:16,960 --> 01:46:20,420
charisma is, is all over this thing. And I, I, I love

1571
01:46:20,820 --> 01:46:24,100
the quick jabs of the Nazis. I love the,

1572
01:46:24,600 --> 01:46:27,610
the, you know, not, not naming anything but, but, but their name,

1573
01:46:28,110 --> 01:46:31,850
rank, their name, rank and serial number. You know, that, that whole deal and

1574
01:46:32,490 --> 01:46:35,610
just, just them getting the better of the Nazis like the whole time.

1575
01:46:35,930 --> 01:46:39,690
And you throw in this, this alien plot to,

1576
01:46:40,190 --> 01:46:44,850
to where you love Don Doler. You know, the effects of this film reminded

1577
01:46:45,350 --> 01:46:48,570
me of the Night Beast effects when he would hit him with the ray gun.

1578
01:46:49,930 --> 01:46:53,070
The simplicity of like, hey, we got these ray

1579
01:46:53,570 --> 01:46:56,950
guns that will disintegrate anything, including a tank. You know,

1580
01:46:58,070 --> 01:47:00,870
it's cheesy ray gun sci fi.

1581
01:47:01,750 --> 01:47:05,110
And you're there for every step of the way with

1582
01:47:05,610 --> 01:47:08,390
it and. Right, because it's leaning into,

1583
01:47:09,110 --> 01:47:12,390
it's leaning into the filmmaking that

1584
01:47:12,890 --> 01:47:16,710
feels, you know, like I say, it's almost meta.

1585
01:47:17,210 --> 01:47:20,220
You know what I'm trying to say that where, like if you were World War

1586
01:47:20,720 --> 01:47:24,540
II guys and all you've been used to watching on the big screen was

1587
01:47:25,040 --> 01:47:28,980
sort of those very early like, you know, sorcerer men from Mars type

1588
01:47:29,480 --> 01:47:31,820
movies or mantle, one of those, like, you know,

1589
01:47:32,860 --> 01:47:36,260
those sort of big scary move or the thing,

1590
01:47:36,760 --> 01:47:40,340
you know, and, and if you're, and maybe

1591
01:47:40,840 --> 01:47:44,260
that come, maybe that's more the 50s, but still, if you're used to watching

1592
01:47:44,760 --> 01:47:48,610
that Kind of stuff. And the alien you meet in the forest looks like

1593
01:47:49,110 --> 01:47:52,490
one of those guys. Because I think Charles Band, both for budgetary

1594
01:47:52,990 --> 01:47:56,570
reasons but also just for fun reasons, is like leaning into

1595
01:47:57,210 --> 01:48:00,690
those like rubber suited alien monster dudes from those

1596
01:48:01,190 --> 01:48:04,810
very early movies. It works on a meta level to

1597
01:48:05,310 --> 01:48:07,770
me, you know what I mean? Like, I get why the soldiers don't think it

1598
01:48:08,270 --> 01:48:11,210
looks like a cheap guy in a suit. They think it looks like a saucer

1599
01:48:11,710 --> 01:48:15,090
man from us, you know, And I love that. That's my

1600
01:48:15,590 --> 01:48:19,090
favorite thing about, you know, the Vince McPent character is like

1601
01:48:19,590 --> 01:48:23,130
the childlike wonder that he has that these other guys don't have because

1602
01:48:23,630 --> 01:48:27,170
he, he's the type of soldier that would go to I

1603
01:48:27,670 --> 01:48:30,890
guess like the commissary or wherever they buy things from soldiers. It would

1604
01:48:31,390 --> 01:48:35,410
buy those nickel novels and embrace the

1605
01:48:35,910 --> 01:48:39,450
camp of like the sci fi or like Billy the Kid

1606
01:48:39,530 --> 01:48:42,770
having unreasonably, you know,

1607
01:48:43,270 --> 01:48:46,410
high powered gun skills. This is the kid

1608
01:48:46,890 --> 01:48:50,770
and I think that's why he's so important to the plot is to really

1609
01:48:51,270 --> 01:48:54,010
sell the fantasy, you know, to the other guys.

1610
01:48:54,410 --> 01:48:58,050
And so I think Charles Banner's film really

1611
01:48:58,550 --> 01:49:01,650
leans into like. And I love, I love the end of this movie because you

1612
01:49:02,150 --> 01:49:05,470
know, are you going to write about, about, about him? He goes

1613
01:49:05,970 --> 01:49:08,550
like, we have no proof. How would they believe him? Because we'll put it in

1614
01:49:09,050 --> 01:49:13,110
one of those, those fantasy things that you see that amazing cover art of the

1615
01:49:13,610 --> 01:49:17,550
Zone Troopers comic book and you, you get and I will say in the

1616
01:49:18,050 --> 01:49:21,710
mood, I'm sure, which was by this time public

1617
01:49:22,210 --> 01:49:26,310
domain by now the big band song that plays throughout the film and reiterations

1618
01:49:26,810 --> 01:49:30,190
of accents the film so well.

1619
01:49:30,920 --> 01:49:34,680
And oh, I was going to say that the other thing that

1620
01:49:35,180 --> 01:49:38,200
works so well and you know it's library music and you know, it's probably,

1621
01:49:39,240 --> 01:49:42,600
you know, music you could use for free or the copyright

1622
01:49:43,100 --> 01:49:46,840
is up on it or whatever. But that 40s swing jazz

1623
01:49:47,800 --> 01:49:51,080
or even the sort of 40s men off to war

1624
01:49:51,580 --> 01:49:55,840
like dun dun dun dun da da da. That kind of stuff is used so

1625
01:49:56,340 --> 01:49:59,490
well in this movie. And it reminds me of, you know,

1626
01:49:59,990 --> 01:50:03,570
Holy Grail. Originally with Holy Grail they had written,

1627
01:50:04,070 --> 01:50:07,410
they had had Neil Ennis, the guy from the Ruddles, but also just a renowned

1628
01:50:07,910 --> 01:50:11,730
music guy from Bonzo Dog Dooda Band and various other places. And he wrote

1629
01:50:12,230 --> 01:50:15,930
a soundtrack on all authentic medieval instruments like

1630
01:50:16,430 --> 01:50:20,170
lutes and sackbutts and stuff. And they went, it just doesn't work.

1631
01:50:20,670 --> 01:50:24,810
You need. They went to library music because they realized that what people were

1632
01:50:25,310 --> 01:50:28,800
used to was not authentic period stuff

1633
01:50:28,880 --> 01:50:33,040
from that. They were used to Arthurian movies

1634
01:50:33,280 --> 01:50:37,040
in which, you know, sword swashbucklers did all their

1635
01:50:37,360 --> 01:50:40,680
swashbuckling to, like, rousing, thumping,

1636
01:50:41,180 --> 01:50:45,640
orchestral, you know, kind of songs, right? So they rescored

1637
01:50:46,140 --> 01:50:48,480
Holy Grail. And once they put more of that.

1638
01:50:52,410 --> 01:50:55,690
That theme in Holy Grail, the more they went, oh,

1639
01:50:55,850 --> 01:51:00,290
this, this looks authentic now. Because what we were used to was the authenticity

1640
01:51:00,790 --> 01:51:03,930
of the movies we watch, not necessarily authentic music at

1641
01:51:04,430 --> 01:51:07,450
the time. Similarly, with a World War II movie,

1642
01:51:07,690 --> 01:51:11,210
you need that stuff. You need that Glenn Miller sounding

1643
01:51:11,710 --> 01:51:15,210
stuff you need, but you also need that Great Escape type

1644
01:51:15,710 --> 01:51:18,410
stuff. You've got to have that big band, that swing jazz,

1645
01:51:18,920 --> 01:51:22,120
those, like, military marches. Because if you don't have that,

1646
01:51:23,080 --> 01:51:26,600
for whatever reason, we are conditioned as watchers to want

1647
01:51:27,000 --> 01:51:31,480
that soundtrack on our movies. So Charles Band getting either

1648
01:51:31,560 --> 01:51:35,400
library music, free uncopyrighted music,

1649
01:51:35,900 --> 01:51:39,560
or having his own music done in that style again,

1650
01:51:39,960 --> 01:51:43,440
they nail the genre. And once you nail the genre,

1651
01:51:43,940 --> 01:51:46,840
you can put anything in it. And I'll go with you on the journey.

1652
01:51:47,300 --> 01:51:51,340
And. And that's what this movie does better. Than anything I gotta create

1653
01:51:51,840 --> 01:51:54,260
our credits do, because I watched the credits all the way down because I was

1654
01:51:54,760 --> 01:51:58,660
curious about the music. And Richard Band recreated all this

1655
01:51:58,900 --> 01:52:01,860
and made all this with an orchestra. So, so,

1656
01:52:02,900 --> 01:52:06,020
so credit where credit's due. Richard Band, I mean,

1657
01:52:06,580 --> 01:52:10,580
I mean, he's famous for, you know, ripping off Hitchcock with the reanimated theme.

1658
01:52:10,900 --> 01:52:14,670
But this, this is probably, you know, with the military,

1659
01:52:14,910 --> 01:52:18,350
you know, jive that he. He creates and the

1660
01:52:18,850 --> 01:52:22,830
recreation of the swing music. Probably my favorite Richard Band

1661
01:52:22,990 --> 01:52:26,190
score now is Zone Troopers, I have to say.

1662
01:52:26,990 --> 01:52:30,710
Did you notice? And I noticed it only in a little bit of a

1663
01:52:31,210 --> 01:52:35,670
scene, but when McNulty looks

1664
01:52:36,170 --> 01:52:39,520
over the ridge with the journalist guy and

1665
01:52:40,020 --> 01:52:43,760
they see the Nazi camp, right, they. They. They're off hunting a deer or something

1666
01:52:44,260 --> 01:52:48,400
and they find the Nazi camp. The music. So you've got the rousing World

1667
01:52:48,900 --> 01:52:53,080
War II music, but within the orchestra someone

1668
01:52:53,580 --> 01:52:57,280
is playing. And it's not exactly the. The Darth

1669
01:52:57,780 --> 01:53:01,080
Vader march from Star wars, but it's very close.

1670
01:53:01,960 --> 01:53:05,320
Very close. There's a little. Just woven into the theme.

1671
01:53:05,880 --> 01:53:06,840
A little bit of that,

1672
01:53:09,160 --> 01:53:12,440
you know, that little, like, piece of music. And it's in there.

1673
01:53:12,940 --> 01:53:16,200
It's not exactly the same. It's a lot more like.

1674
01:53:17,320 --> 01:53:21,000
Like bumbling. I'm trying to look for the word here. Like,

1675
01:53:21,500 --> 01:53:24,960
like more playful than that. Like a

1676
01:53:25,460 --> 01:53:29,000
playful version of that, though. You know, nobody, he just weaves

1677
01:53:29,500 --> 01:53:32,540
it in and I think he weaves it in to be like, you know,

1678
01:53:32,780 --> 01:53:35,580
this is the real, you know,

1679
01:53:36,060 --> 01:53:39,340
authoritarian, authoritarian enemy. You know what

1680
01:53:39,840 --> 01:53:43,180
I mean? This is the real empire or whatever you want to call it.

1681
01:53:43,340 --> 01:53:46,940
And I don't know all the Star wars terminology because I don't care, but you

1682
01:53:47,440 --> 01:53:51,140
know, yes, this is, this is the evil empire, whatever. And, and he weaves it

1683
01:53:51,640 --> 01:53:54,820
in just a little bit like that. And also because you know, there's a sci

1684
01:53:55,320 --> 01:53:58,460
fi bent to this movie. Why not have just a little bit

1685
01:53:58,960 --> 01:54:02,250
of snow, Star wars music sneak in there? I don't know. The whole thing was

1686
01:54:02,750 --> 01:54:05,970
charming as fuck. Charming af, as the kids say these days.

1687
01:54:06,690 --> 01:54:10,170
Yes. And because the moment, the moment the thing comes out

1688
01:54:10,670 --> 01:54:14,090
of the egg, you're like, wow, this, this isn't a xenomorph.

1689
01:54:14,590 --> 01:54:19,010
This thing's kind of adorable. You know, the whole, then Ben

1690
01:54:19,510 --> 01:54:23,570
Patton's you know, love for the thing and you know, it shines

1691
01:54:23,650 --> 01:54:27,670
because eventually later on, you know, when the other aliens come and

1692
01:54:28,170 --> 01:54:30,590
that they make it, they make a good point, you know, why they don't want

1693
01:54:31,090 --> 01:54:33,150
to help them. We don't, we want to help you kill your own kind.

1694
01:54:33,630 --> 01:54:36,270
Because this is probably something they've been going through,

1695
01:54:36,990 --> 01:54:39,710
you know, for a long time with their, with their cultures.

1696
01:54:39,870 --> 01:54:44,670
But you know, the whole fact that freaking

1697
01:54:45,150 --> 01:54:47,630
Joey, Tiffany,

1698
01:54:48,190 --> 01:54:51,630
Pat's character, you know, has made friends

1699
01:54:52,130 --> 01:54:56,040
with this guy and you know, helped him when he was hurt and yeah,

1700
01:54:56,540 --> 01:55:00,280
this all comes into play later, but it

1701
01:55:00,780 --> 01:55:04,720
just plays so well. There's nothing

1702
01:55:05,220 --> 01:55:08,760
mean spirited about this except for the Nazis. But even

1703
01:55:09,260 --> 01:55:12,440
then they got the upper hand the whole time pretty

1704
01:55:12,940 --> 01:55:15,040
much whether, even when they're captured,

1705
01:55:17,760 --> 01:55:21,440
making sarcasm, freaking Dolan

1706
01:55:21,940 --> 01:55:25,030
is shining on about the Geneva Convention

1707
01:55:25,530 --> 01:55:29,470
while he's sitting in a cage next to a German shepherd. Perfect for, for Hitler

1708
01:55:29,970 --> 01:55:31,550
because Hitler was obsessed with German shepherds.

1709
01:55:33,310 --> 01:55:36,510
It's just the, the little in this movie

1710
01:55:37,070 --> 01:55:40,150
is littered throughout and I, I love everything about it.

1711
01:55:40,650 --> 01:55:43,470
It's, it's, it's so, it's, it's so good. It's so good.

1712
01:55:44,750 --> 01:55:48,190
Yeah, I mean, and again, there's no explanation at the end as to why half

1713
01:55:48,690 --> 01:55:52,240
the aliens are these weird little bug looking furry

1714
01:55:52,480 --> 01:55:55,880
anthropomorphic creatures and why some of them look like

1715
01:55:56,380 --> 01:55:59,560
a David Bowie music video. It doesn't matter like

1716
01:56:00,060 --> 01:56:03,200
that. You just assume that they come from a planet that has,

1717
01:56:03,440 --> 01:56:07,040
you know, multiple creatures and multiple races,

1718
01:56:07,600 --> 01:56:10,480
some of whom look different and some of whom are different or whatever.

1719
01:56:10,720 --> 01:56:14,920
And like you say the American soldiers ingratiate themselves enough and,

1720
01:56:15,420 --> 01:56:19,120
and help out the Aliens enough that in their absolute time

1721
01:56:19,620 --> 01:56:24,040
of need, when Thomason has done everything he possibly can to

1722
01:56:24,540 --> 01:56:27,880
keep the Nazi hordes at bay, that they ride in like

1723
01:56:28,380 --> 01:56:32,080
the, like the weird furry mantis having.

1724
01:56:32,720 --> 01:56:36,280
They have those like mandible mouth things like

1725
01:56:36,780 --> 01:56:40,040
the, like the bugs like ants or you know,

1726
01:56:40,540 --> 01:56:44,160
praying mantis or whatever. But those guys, and the David Bowie guys, all with

1727
01:56:44,660 --> 01:56:48,410
new wobbly helmets as well, the David Bowie guys suddenly have these

1728
01:56:48,910 --> 01:56:53,210
like big metal helmets with big wobbly wires

1729
01:56:53,710 --> 01:56:57,250
and stuff on them and they show up with their cobbled together ray guns.

1730
01:56:57,750 --> 01:57:00,690
I listen everything about it is an absolute delight and a joy.

1731
01:57:01,170 --> 01:57:04,970
And I think we've, you know, when someone

1732
01:57:05,470 --> 01:57:07,930
wants to go ahead and make a war movie these days, or when someone goes

1733
01:57:08,430 --> 01:57:11,980
ahead and makes a sci fi movie these days, there's so much expectation now

1734
01:57:12,480 --> 01:57:15,900
that it's going to be, you know, serious to some extent

1735
01:57:16,400 --> 01:57:18,820
and that the effects are going to be top notch to some extent and blah,

1736
01:57:19,320 --> 01:57:22,260
blah, blah, blah, blah. And it means that we lose a little bit of the

1737
01:57:22,760 --> 01:57:26,579
playfulness, we lose some of the fun, we lose some of the silliness, we lose

1738
01:57:27,079 --> 01:57:30,700
some of the joy, we lose some of the have a go get it done

1739
01:57:31,200 --> 01:57:35,220
yourself, shoot it in your backyard kind of aspect

1740
01:57:35,720 --> 01:57:39,300
to these movies. And I don't know man, I miss that

1741
01:57:39,800 --> 01:57:43,540
in filmmaking. And it's why going back to the, the VHS era so

1742
01:57:44,040 --> 01:57:47,980
often just produces jam after jam. I mean these two movies we've

1743
01:57:48,480 --> 01:57:52,460
talked about today, I don't know, man, like they,

1744
01:57:53,020 --> 01:57:56,620
you know, I don't, I'm through making lists or saying where things appear

1745
01:57:57,120 --> 01:58:00,860
or whatever, but, but they are, they're now two of my favorite films,

1746
01:58:01,180 --> 01:58:04,730
you know, I mean they slot right in to. Okay,

1747
01:58:05,230 --> 01:58:08,490
those two are two of my favorite films. It's like when I, and I love

1748
01:58:08,990 --> 01:58:12,730
discovering weird gems and the Dangerous

1749
01:58:13,130 --> 01:58:16,890
and Zone Troopers, you know, if Trances and Reanimator

1750
01:58:17,390 --> 01:58:21,570
and Castle Freak and even films like arena

1751
01:58:22,070 --> 01:58:25,370
and Ghoulies and others that Charlie Band had a hand in

1752
01:58:26,010 --> 01:58:29,170
are more well known than Zone Troopers. Other Zone

1753
01:58:29,670 --> 01:58:33,270
Troopers isn't well known. It's just that most of Charlie Band's other output is

1754
01:58:33,430 --> 01:58:36,950
well known. More or more well known than Zone

1755
01:58:37,450 --> 01:58:40,630
Troopers. Like when you go that one tier down and go,

1756
01:58:41,130 --> 01:58:44,750
I'm gonna take a look at Zone Troopers because it

1757
01:58:45,250 --> 01:58:48,670
works perfectly. And you know, it was like they had Thomason and the

1758
01:58:49,170 --> 01:58:52,390
Caster Trances out in Italy and they were like, ah, fuck it lads,

1759
01:58:52,470 --> 01:58:54,710
let's make one more movie. You got a long weekend,

1760
01:58:55,270 --> 01:58:58,470
let's just do some Alien shit in my backyard. You know, it's, it's,

1761
01:58:58,890 --> 01:59:00,650
oh, it's a joy. It's fantastic.

1762
01:59:03,450 --> 01:59:07,090
Yeah, I agree with everything you say. And yeah, if you guys haven't seen

1763
01:59:07,590 --> 01:59:11,130
it, I, I, you were not taking that plunge. I, I'd say

1764
01:59:12,090 --> 01:59:15,770
go, go find a version of this to watch because

1765
01:59:15,930 --> 01:59:19,890
it might be a YouTube somewhere, but right now it's an MGM plus and

1766
01:59:20,390 --> 01:59:23,490
fave some, which I hear, I hear good things about that. Streaming service is free,

1767
01:59:23,990 --> 01:59:27,440
I believe so. So go check it out.

1768
01:59:29,360 --> 01:59:32,960
Foursome's the new Chubby. Once Chubby started making its

1769
01:59:33,460 --> 01:59:37,280
own Once Chubby started making its own films and its own shows,

1770
01:59:37,440 --> 01:59:41,040
it's not long before Chibi goes to dogs. Because every single streaming

1771
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service that started making their own programming basically up

1772
01:59:45,620 --> 01:59:49,120
and, and ignored the fact that when they started out as a streaming service,

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01:59:49,620 --> 01:59:53,390
their plan was to bring B movies to the masses. So Folsom

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01:59:53,890 --> 01:59:57,590
has shown up and gone, all right, I'll bring B movies to the masses then.

1775
01:59:58,870 --> 02:00:01,670
Nice. Yeah, this, this is,

1776
02:00:02,550 --> 02:00:05,270
I, I use the phrase appear good a lot,

1777
02:00:05,430 --> 02:00:09,270
but this, this is if you're looking for a World War II movie,

1778
02:00:09,830 --> 02:00:13,630
you know, you're not looking for like limbs being blown off or

1779
02:00:14,130 --> 02:00:17,190
nothing like that, or nothing like hopefully depressing.

1780
02:00:18,110 --> 02:00:21,390
You just want like a, a feel good film with

1781
02:00:21,890 --> 02:00:25,070
some, some chums that have to be soldiers, you know,

1782
02:00:25,950 --> 02:00:29,230
hanging with aliens and you know, outwitting Nazis.

1783
02:00:30,910 --> 02:00:33,950
Zone troopers is, is 100% for you.

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02:00:34,190 --> 02:00:37,870
And I would show this to my

1785
02:00:37,950 --> 02:00:41,630
novice, novice sci fi friends just, just to, to enjoy it.

1786
02:00:43,240 --> 02:00:46,440
Yeah, I mean the only, the only genre

1787
02:00:46,940 --> 02:00:50,680
trope it's missing is one of the Nazis should have been

1788
02:00:51,180 --> 02:00:54,480
played by an old British character actor. Do you know me? There should have

1789
02:00:54,980 --> 02:00:58,120
been like a, I don't know like a Trevor Howard or someone or Donald Pleasance

1790
02:00:58,620 --> 02:01:02,920
or someone like that. Just in a cameo as like a ridiculous

1791
02:01:03,420 --> 02:01:06,880
Nazi common commandant. It's the only thing the movie is missing is

1792
02:01:07,380 --> 02:01:10,840
some like, because British character actors have always played Nazis. You know,

1793
02:01:10,920 --> 02:01:14,410
like that's a, that's a genre trope. Like right up until

1794
02:01:15,370 --> 02:01:19,010
Indiana Jones. You know, the, the funny, the funny thing for people in

1795
02:01:19,510 --> 02:01:23,530
England who watch Indiana Jones the Last Crusade is that Hitler is played by

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02:01:24,030 --> 02:01:27,850
the teacher that was in a long running kids soap

1797
02:01:28,350 --> 02:01:31,930
opera about a Jew about a school called Grange Hill.

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02:01:32,010 --> 02:01:35,290
And he was like the evil teacher nobody liked and he

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02:01:35,790 --> 02:01:39,440
ended up going ahead and playing Hitler in Last

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02:01:39,940 --> 02:01:43,560
Crusade. So you're going to have a British character actor in that. The only thing

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02:01:44,060 --> 02:01:46,760
this movie's missing. See,

1802
02:01:47,480 --> 02:01:51,360
I, I think like I would

1803
02:01:51,860 --> 02:01:55,160
call it a showcase Nazi in, in this mix of a film.

1804
02:01:55,960 --> 02:01:59,360
I, I think it might

1805
02:01:59,860 --> 02:02:02,440
have hurt the plot a little bit. I mean, not the plot, but like the,

1806
02:02:03,800 --> 02:02:07,540
the camaraderie of the characters. Like I did there was.

1807
02:02:08,040 --> 02:02:10,780
Because there was never a time in the film where,

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02:02:11,260 --> 02:02:14,300
you know, the Nazis got the better of the Nazis broke their spirit.

1809
02:02:14,940 --> 02:02:18,380
If I had that, that character, that, that, that Nazi character,

1810
02:02:18,880 --> 02:02:22,860
the prominent Nazi character who, who broke Art Lafleur's spirits

1811
02:02:23,340 --> 02:02:26,300
to where he like, maybe he wouldn't have punched Hitler.

1812
02:02:26,620 --> 02:02:29,820
I, I, I, I think that it would, it would have took

1813
02:02:30,320 --> 02:02:33,360
something away from it for me. I don't know what it is. Yeah.

1814
02:02:33,920 --> 02:02:36,800
Oh yeah. No, I'm not saying let's change the plot. I'm.

1815
02:02:39,120 --> 02:02:41,520
I mean, right now you got kind of like a, like a, like a,

1816
02:02:41,680 --> 02:02:45,440
a bunny film that happens to be a war film that

1817
02:02:45,940 --> 02:02:49,280
happens to have aliens in it, but it works so well. Yes,

1818
02:02:49,440 --> 02:02:53,160
but I think like, if you have like that drama

1819
02:02:53,660 --> 02:02:57,600
in there to like break, break the spirit at all of

1820
02:02:58,100 --> 02:03:01,520
these gentlemen, I think it would hurt the film. I think it would.

1821
02:03:03,760 --> 02:03:07,720
Okay. I just meant, you know, the prominent Nazi they have right

1822
02:03:08,220 --> 02:03:11,560
now, he doesn't have a lot of lines, but you know, just the big smiley

1823
02:03:12,060 --> 02:03:15,640
faced guy who's like posing by the alien ship or whatever.

1824
02:03:16,140 --> 02:03:19,680
Just like the, whatever. I'm just saying recast him with

1825
02:03:20,180 --> 02:03:23,560
like some British TV actor. That's all I'm saying. I don't mean like change the

1826
02:03:24,060 --> 02:03:28,090
script or make him more compelling or whatever. I just mean the

1827
02:03:28,590 --> 02:03:31,250
only thing that's missing is like some weird, you know,

1828
02:03:32,050 --> 02:03:35,330
British character actor who just came over to Italy and slummed it for

1829
02:03:35,830 --> 02:03:38,170
a day or two. That's all. I mean, I don't mean change anything about the

1830
02:03:38,670 --> 02:03:39,570
movie. The movie's perfect.

1831
02:03:41,570 --> 02:03:43,730
I get you, man. I get you. I get you. Totally.

1832
02:03:45,330 --> 02:03:49,130
Yeah. We both recommend this film, obviously, but I would

1833
02:03:49,630 --> 02:03:52,850
kick it to John and say any, any final things you want to say about

1834
02:03:53,350 --> 02:03:57,000
Zone Troopers, my friend, go for it. No,

1835
02:03:57,500 --> 02:03:59,960
I think I've said all that I want to say, but just basically, I mean,

1836
02:04:00,460 --> 02:04:03,520
Tim Thomason, absolutely fantastic in the film. Tremendous.

1837
02:04:04,000 --> 02:04:07,560
I mean, everyone loves him as Jack Death. You better love him as like

1838
02:04:08,060 --> 02:04:11,200
the weird pervert Mike in Volunteers.

1839
02:04:11,760 --> 02:04:15,680
But yeah, this is in the pantheon now. Great Tim

1840
02:04:16,180 --> 02:04:19,680
Thomason performances. He's just like Tim Thomason,

1841
02:04:20,180 --> 02:04:23,640
like average stand up. Like he was a stand up, right? That's, he kind of

1842
02:04:24,140 --> 02:04:26,440
came up with Seinfeld and a couple of the others, that kind of era.

1843
02:04:27,080 --> 02:04:30,680
And he was an average stand up but just low

1844
02:04:31,180 --> 02:04:34,760
key, a phenomenal actor like just doing

1845
02:04:35,000 --> 02:04:38,640
performances way above any of these movies deserve.

1846
02:04:39,140 --> 02:04:42,720
And that's as, as you should do you like along

1847
02:04:43,220 --> 02:04:46,800
with others, Donald Pleasant, Wings Houser, Michael Moriarty. A lot of the guys

1848
02:04:47,300 --> 02:04:50,660
that I love, the reason why I love them, they show up in movies

1849
02:04:51,160 --> 02:04:54,940
like this and act like they're in Lawrence of Arabia and David Leans is

1850
02:04:55,440 --> 02:04:59,140
making the movie, you know what I mean? And so he

1851
02:04:59,640 --> 02:05:02,820
is just, I mean just tremendous. They all are. The whole cast is.

1852
02:05:03,320 --> 02:05:07,020
But like Tim Thomason, there's no need for him or no

1853
02:05:07,520 --> 02:05:10,820
expectation for him to be this good. And he is this good. And the last

1854
02:05:11,320 --> 02:05:14,770
thing I'll say about it is I think the other thing

1855
02:05:15,270 --> 02:05:17,970
a movie like this can do and this again for, for guys out there.

1856
02:05:18,470 --> 02:05:22,290
I always love when I'm talking about these movies to kind of give a little

1857
02:05:23,250 --> 02:05:26,770
recommendation to guys out there who are making low budget stuff now.

1858
02:05:27,410 --> 02:05:31,050
Because good writing, even if it's

1859
02:05:31,550 --> 02:05:35,330
one or two lines, good writing can go a long, long way and it doesn't

1860
02:05:35,830 --> 02:05:39,650
have to cost the earth. It's a really good way to elevate low budget

1861
02:05:40,150 --> 02:05:43,680
films. And when talking about Thomason's

1862
02:05:44,180 --> 02:05:47,440
character in the movie, and I'm going to forget which character says it to

1863
02:05:47,940 --> 02:05:52,640
who, but someone talks about like, oh, the Sarge seems to be a

1864
02:05:53,140 --> 02:05:56,200
bit gruff or a bit whatever, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Doesn't he have any

1865
02:05:56,700 --> 02:05:59,720
friends? Oh no, the Sarge doesn't seem to want to make friends. I think he

1866
02:06:00,220 --> 02:06:03,680
says, and the other guy says, sarge doesn't have a lot

1867
02:06:04,180 --> 02:06:07,510
of friends because he doesn't like losing them. And it is one of

1868
02:06:08,010 --> 02:06:11,230
the best. Fuck, it's one of the best lines in a movie, period.

1869
02:06:11,390 --> 02:06:15,230
Because it says almost everything you need to know about

1870
02:06:15,730 --> 02:06:19,030
why Tim Thomason is the way Tim Thomason is in the movie

1871
02:06:19,530 --> 02:06:23,110
and why his character is and why, you know, and the whole aspect of war

1872
02:06:23,610 --> 02:06:27,150
and the whole aspect of camaraderie and the whole like it says so much

1873
02:06:27,550 --> 02:06:31,270
in one line. If you can whip two or three of those

1874
02:06:31,770 --> 02:06:35,280
lines into your low budget movie, they cost nothing. But whatever

1875
02:06:35,780 --> 02:06:39,280
you're paying the actor to stand there and say them. And yet they elevate the

1876
02:06:39,780 --> 02:06:43,800
films way, way above their budget. So watch

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02:06:44,300 --> 02:06:46,880
some of these B movies and see how they use the one liners or you

1878
02:06:47,380 --> 02:06:51,120
see how they use the economy of dialog or economy of

1879
02:06:51,620 --> 02:06:55,440
language if you know you're going to be using either untrained actors

1880
02:06:55,940 --> 02:06:59,360
or actors who, you know, came out of stand up are actors who have only

1881
02:06:59,860 --> 02:07:03,080
worked in boom movies or whatever have already worked in B movies.

1882
02:07:03,800 --> 02:07:06,960
And you want to, you know, keep the script sparse,

1883
02:07:07,460 --> 02:07:10,840
but when they do speak, have them say some damn cool things like,

1884
02:07:11,080 --> 02:07:14,120
the Sarge doesn't like to make friends because he doesn't like losing them.

1885
02:07:14,440 --> 02:07:17,960
It's just such a great line. So that's my

1886
02:07:18,460 --> 02:07:21,880
little tip to low budget filmmakers out there. Watch a bunch of these

1887
02:07:22,380 --> 02:07:25,880
movies and then go, what? What? What? Elevates them above their station.

1888
02:07:25,960 --> 02:07:29,460
And it's the writing and it's the music and it's stuff that

1889
02:07:29,960 --> 02:07:33,220
doesn't have to cost the earth. And so,

1890
02:07:34,020 --> 02:07:37,660
yeah, I would just take pointers from these movies, go back and then put

1891
02:07:38,160 --> 02:07:41,580
them in your own films. Because sometimes I watch low budget stuff now and I'm

1892
02:07:42,080 --> 02:07:45,820
like, what? You've tried to recreate. You've tried to recreate gore so

1893
02:07:46,320 --> 02:07:49,580
that it looks like Evil Dead, or you've tried to recreate nudity so that it

1894
02:07:50,080 --> 02:07:54,100
looks like, you know, some mid-80s, you know,

1895
02:07:54,620 --> 02:07:57,260
sex gore slasher flick or whatever,

1896
02:07:58,220 --> 02:08:01,180
and you go, all right, okay, you've got some gore, you got some nudity.

1897
02:08:01,680 --> 02:08:05,660
But, like, why should I care about this movie? And sometimes

1898
02:08:06,160 --> 02:08:09,620
you can make a movie like Zone Troopers that has none of that. And it's

1899
02:08:10,120 --> 02:08:13,900
10 times more entertaining than any movie that does have that. So I

1900
02:08:14,400 --> 02:08:17,980
don't know, Just, just. That's my little nod to low

1901
02:08:18,480 --> 02:08:21,380
budget people out there. Write a couple of cool lines because it just makes your

1902
02:08:21,880 --> 02:08:25,190
movie so much better. That. And go ahead and watch both

1903
02:08:25,690 --> 02:08:29,350
these movies, please. Go watch them, watch them, watch them. Tell your friends, tell your

1904
02:08:29,850 --> 02:08:33,110
enemies, spread the word. And let's get blu rays of all of them out here.

1905
02:08:34,310 --> 02:08:38,750
And the ending is so perfect because, you know, Thomas as

1906
02:08:39,250 --> 02:08:43,710
the Serge, you know, he sacrifices himself for the platoon and he

1907
02:08:44,210 --> 02:08:47,510
just shows up as this dark figure. You know who it is, because, you know,

1908
02:08:48,010 --> 02:08:51,620
Thomas can't die in the movie. He just simply says,

1909
02:08:51,860 --> 02:08:55,340
anybody got a butt? And they give, they give him the last

1910
02:08:55,840 --> 02:08:58,580
cigarette they have because, you know, he's the sergeant. He just saved the day.

1911
02:08:59,080 --> 02:09:02,420
And I just love, I love this ending, right.

1912
02:09:02,920 --> 02:09:06,260
Right down to, you know, the, the big band music. In the end,

1913
02:09:06,340 --> 02:09:10,060
when they show the Zone Troopers comic book, it just. It's so

1914
02:09:10,560 --> 02:09:14,140
perfect and quick. Short notice. He has like the

1915
02:09:14,640 --> 02:09:17,500
little. He has like the little Bugs Bunny, like,

1916
02:09:18,000 --> 02:09:21,460
black soot face. Like the thing explode, the grenade exploded,

1917
02:09:21,960 --> 02:09:24,300
but all it did was like put soot all over him.

1918
02:09:25,740 --> 02:09:28,460
Like a kind of Wiley Coyote or something, you know?

1919
02:09:29,020 --> 02:09:30,540
Oh, yeah, it's Wonderful.

1920
02:09:32,620 --> 02:09:36,620
A couple quick trivia bits to have on here in first

1921
02:09:37,120 --> 02:09:40,340
film shot and produced by, by Charles Band in

1922
02:09:40,840 --> 02:09:44,190
Italy. So that, that's, it's a pretty great first attempt at

1923
02:09:44,690 --> 02:09:48,310
that because it looked, it looks terrific and everything looks great.

1924
02:09:48,950 --> 02:09:51,510
And this, this could be playing into the next show.

1925
02:09:52,550 --> 02:09:56,390
All these guys again we, we mentioned what appear in the Wrong

1926
02:09:56,890 --> 02:10:00,950
Guys with Louis Anderson, all those great character actors and

1927
02:10:01,450 --> 02:10:04,470
Brian James actually served in the National Guard with Tim Tom,

1928
02:10:04,950 --> 02:10:06,070
so there's that.

1929
02:10:09,360 --> 02:10:12,640
So I, I, I, I have to ask now, you know,

1930
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do you think the Wrong Guys would be our next VHS choice for,

1931
02:10:16,640 --> 02:10:19,840
for when we hop over to the diner and do, do,

1932
02:10:20,340 --> 02:10:23,560
do in the parade way on that, on that show? Yeah,

1933
02:10:24,060 --> 02:10:27,680
I will happily do the Wrong Guys. It could be a fun comedy

1934
02:10:28,180 --> 02:10:32,000
kind of fun comedy for sure. Oh my gosh, I can't

1935
02:10:32,500 --> 02:10:36,020
believe that Brian James and Tim Thomason served in

1936
02:10:36,520 --> 02:10:40,500
the Army Reserve. How, how bad. They were both cooks in

1937
02:10:41,000 --> 02:10:44,540
a tank company. Both of them were. How fucking cool is that?

1938
02:10:45,260 --> 02:10:48,220
It's pretty cool. It's pretty cool, you know, to, I mean,

1939
02:10:49,260 --> 02:10:51,980
giants of men, Giants of the genre, you know.

1940
02:10:52,140 --> 02:10:55,540
Yeah, yeah. I don't know, man. Like Tim Thomas,

1941
02:10:56,040 --> 02:10:59,060
a dude, it's just, you know, he's up there with, with the, Brian James

1942
02:10:59,560 --> 02:11:02,830
is with the Lance Henriksen. It's like if you see Thomas's name on something,

1943
02:11:03,150 --> 02:11:06,830
put it in, man. Watch it because like at worst

1944
02:11:07,330 --> 02:11:10,630
it's going to be, you know, a B movie that doesn't go anywhere. But he's

1945
02:11:11,130 --> 02:11:14,590
amazing in it. And at best it could be fucking trances.

1946
02:11:15,070 --> 02:11:18,310
Zone Troopers volunteers, you know,

1947
02:11:18,810 --> 02:11:21,510
any of the good Thomas and shit, man. Can I tell you the plot?

1948
02:11:22,010 --> 02:11:24,910
The nemesis? I really can't, but I can tell you I enjoy the hell out

1949
02:11:25,410 --> 02:11:28,940
of it. And it's better because Thomas is in it, you know,

1950
02:11:29,440 --> 02:11:33,260
it's better because of that, right? Oh, Thomason's like the only good

1951
02:11:37,420 --> 02:11:40,820
It's insane. It's insane. Action surrounded by Tim Thomas

1952
02:11:41,320 --> 02:11:44,580
and that's fine, you know. But yeah,

1953
02:11:45,080 --> 02:11:48,940
Zone Troopers, it's a high recommend. Like I said, it's, it's, I hate to hate

1954
02:11:49,440 --> 02:11:52,940
to use the term feel good World War II movie, but this film

1955
02:11:53,440 --> 02:11:57,360
pulls it off at the, in 85 minutes and you're rooting for the good

1956
02:11:57,860 --> 02:12:01,400
guys the whole time, which some, sometimes you need

1957
02:12:01,900 --> 02:12:04,400
that you need, you know, mindless,

1958
02:12:05,120 --> 02:12:08,880
you know, war movie where, you know, the good guys aren't

1959
02:12:09,380 --> 02:12:12,720
really in that much danger. Throughout C2 you're rooting for them to

1960
02:12:13,220 --> 02:12:17,200
win. Although they do, they do lose one in the movie, and it's

1961
02:12:17,280 --> 02:12:21,280
very sad. But you know what? It's. It's. It's great.

1962
02:12:21,670 --> 02:12:24,790
It's just. It's just amazing. If you haven't seen Zone Troopers, if you have

1963
02:12:25,290 --> 02:12:28,630
to let the VHS cover our foia, this is.

1964
02:12:29,350 --> 02:12:32,590
This is a gem. And I know it gets a lot of love from my

1965
02:12:33,090 --> 02:12:36,630
peers as well, so there's that. Yeah. And losing one of your

1966
02:12:37,130 --> 02:12:40,470
soldiers in the course of the mission is also a genre trope.

1967
02:12:40,710 --> 02:12:42,390
You have to have, like, the.

1968
02:12:44,230 --> 02:12:47,190
That's one out of four, though. So it's kind of like got that dawn of

1969
02:12:47,690 --> 02:12:50,730
the Dead aspect, you know? Right. But you have

1970
02:12:51,230 --> 02:12:54,330
to have that, you know, tell the kids back on the farm, Johnny. You know,

1971
02:12:54,830 --> 02:12:57,610
you have to have that moment, like, when the guy's dying and he's got to

1972
02:12:58,110 --> 02:13:01,250
say something and, you know, I. I don't know like that, to me, just.

1973
02:13:02,210 --> 02:13:06,850
Yes, it's sad. No, of course you don't want them to go, but it's.

1974
02:13:07,350 --> 02:13:09,610
It's. It's what you signed up for. You know what I mean? When you go

1975
02:13:10,110 --> 02:13:13,170
into a movie like this, you. You expect a. A scene like that,

1976
02:13:14,620 --> 02:13:17,900
you know, and. And you'll see the same kind of trope in, like, a Vietnam

1977
02:13:18,140 --> 02:13:21,340
movie. You know, Vietnam movies steal a lot of the,

1978
02:13:21,840 --> 02:13:25,460
like, World War II stuff. There's always a soldier that dies. Someone's always cradling

1979
02:13:25,960 --> 02:13:29,260
someone's bloody head while they're spewing their last words. Like, it's. It's.

1980
02:13:29,760 --> 02:13:32,300
It's a. It's a familiar trope. I want it in there. You know what I

1981
02:13:32,800 --> 02:13:35,020
mean? As sad as it is, I want it in there. No, I'm not saying

1982
02:13:35,520 --> 02:13:39,060
it's not necessary, but it has. It has that dawn of the Dead vibe because,

1983
02:13:39,560 --> 02:13:43,360
you know, when Roger gets bit and Peter has to

1984
02:13:43,860 --> 02:13:46,760
shoot him, you know, when you lose a character in dawn of the Dead,

1985
02:13:47,080 --> 02:13:50,200
it has an impact because you. You've lived with these characters

1986
02:13:50,700 --> 02:13:54,440
for, what, 20 minutes before that,

1987
02:13:54,520 --> 02:13:58,040
and when you lose one, it has a big impact because you've

1988
02:13:58,540 --> 02:14:01,640
been with him the whole time. Great. And. And,

1989
02:14:02,140 --> 02:14:05,320
yeah, and just the fact that, as I say, they just nail everything

1990
02:14:05,400 --> 02:14:08,810
so successfully. And it was sort of like that,

1991
02:14:09,310 --> 02:14:12,170
you know, with the. The Dangerous was like,

1992
02:14:12,490 --> 02:14:15,770
every time they attempted a new scene in a new genre,

1993
02:14:16,170 --> 02:14:19,970
I'm like, I couldn't quite believe they were pulling, like, the ninja scenes

1994
02:14:20,470 --> 02:14:23,930
look like ninja scenes, and the film noir scenes look like film noir scenes,

1995
02:14:24,430 --> 02:14:27,650
and the buddy cop scenes looked like buddy cop scenes. I'm like, it's,

1996
02:14:28,150 --> 02:14:31,970
it's kind of wild how they are pulling this, this off because it was,

1997
02:14:32,470 --> 02:14:36,330
you know, totally all over the place, but, but somehow successful. And I

1998
02:14:36,830 --> 02:14:40,410
think that's, that's what it is. Like, plant your feet firmly in the genre that

1999
02:14:40,910 --> 02:14:45,130
you want to tell this story in. Whip in a few, you know, one liners.

2000
02:14:45,290 --> 02:14:48,410
Don't be afraid to use genre tropes and

2001
02:14:49,370 --> 02:14:52,930
cliches that you've seen before because the audience expects it. They know what

2002
02:14:53,430 --> 02:14:56,810
they signed up for when they put the tape in. Like, you know, the audience

2003
02:14:57,310 --> 02:15:00,010
wants a little bit of that. Just find your own way to do a twist

2004
02:15:00,510 --> 02:15:03,830
on it, you know, And I think if people focus more on that

2005
02:15:04,330 --> 02:15:07,710
than like, man, I don't know about making this movie. I got to put a

2006
02:15:08,210 --> 02:15:11,630
lot of, you know, blood, guts, tits, you know, car wrecks,

2007
02:15:12,130 --> 02:15:14,790
whatever in it. Sure, all of that helps. And if you can afford to do

2008
02:15:15,290 --> 02:15:18,710
it, do it. But, but I, I don't know, man. Figure out

2009
02:15:19,210 --> 02:15:23,150
the basics first. I see too many movies trying to be grindhouse films without

2010
02:15:23,650 --> 02:15:27,950
ever really knowing what went into making an actual grindhouse film. So I

2011
02:15:28,450 --> 02:15:31,990
don't know, figure out the, the basics first and show me you can make a

2012
02:15:32,490 --> 02:15:35,910
movie with the basics and then, and then layer on all the other shit because

2013
02:15:36,410 --> 02:15:39,510
that's just window dressing to, you know, you got to get me to

2014
02:15:40,010 --> 02:15:43,030
come into the store and enjoy the store. You know what I mean? So that's,

2015
02:15:43,530 --> 02:15:46,510
that's what I would say to low budget filmmakers. Go watch these two movies and

2016
02:15:47,310 --> 02:15:50,470
pull the best parts from them and go ahead and make yours. That's what I

2017
02:15:50,970 --> 02:15:54,990
would say. Oh, yeah, yeah. 100%. 100% agreed

2018
02:15:55,630 --> 02:15:59,030
on everything you're saying. That's the end of this

2019
02:15:59,530 --> 02:16:03,910
zone. Troopers review and we hope you guys go watch it. But we

2020
02:16:04,410 --> 02:16:05,870
will be right back to close out the show.

2021
02:16:09,150 --> 02:16:12,750
More prophetic than his prediction of space travel in

2022
02:16:12,990 --> 02:16:16,310
Things to Come. More imaginative than his laser

2023
02:16:16,810 --> 02:16:20,150
beams in War of the Worlds. More frightening

2024
02:16:20,650 --> 02:16:23,880
than his world. Drowning of nuclear holocaust in a time machine.

2025
02:16:24,280 --> 02:16:28,200
From H.G. wells, history's most credible prophet, now comes his

2026
02:16:28,700 --> 02:16:32,280
most incredible story. Empire of the Ants.

2027
02:16:32,600 --> 02:16:36,600
A terrifying tale of civilization fighting for survival against

2028
02:16:36,759 --> 02:16:40,640
armies of giant ants 10ft tall who control the

2029
02:16:41,140 --> 02:16:43,800
human population by drugging them into submission.

2030
02:16:44,360 --> 02:16:47,969
And man, the master becomes comes man the

2031
02:16:48,469 --> 02:16:52,129
slave. Joan Collins Robert Lansing HG Wells

2032
02:16:52,289 --> 02:16:55,889
Empire of the Ants From American International Pictures

2033
02:16:56,049 --> 02:16:58,369
Rated pg. Parental guidance suggested.

2034
02:16:58,769 --> 02:17:02,208
Empire of the Ants they shall inherit

2035
02:17:02,708 --> 02:17:05,249
the earth sooner than you think.

2036
02:17:08,129 --> 02:17:11,969
Well, that's a six or six. John Boy of Parade

2037
02:17:12,469 --> 02:17:15,860
Films that we have loved. I think when we get to,

2038
02:17:16,020 --> 02:17:19,660
we get to the 10th one, I think it'll be the 10th

2039
02:17:20,160 --> 02:17:23,780
and the 11th one because I think we'll split up the Betty and

2040
02:17:24,280 --> 02:17:27,620
the Cruisers films and we'll decide which one's better because

2041
02:17:27,780 --> 02:17:31,340
I have an opinion on which one's better and why

2042
02:17:31,840 --> 02:17:35,580
that is. So do I. And I think, weirdly, we differ

2043
02:17:36,080 --> 02:17:39,820
in our opinion. I do think we differ in our opinion, but I love both.

2044
02:17:40,320 --> 02:17:42,830
But there's one that I think is clearly better than the other one.

2045
02:17:43,700 --> 02:17:46,980
That's fine. But John, you have a lot of stuff going

2046
02:17:47,480 --> 02:17:51,180
on PM Entertainment podcast. I mentioned earlier, I keep mentioning on my

2047
02:17:51,680 --> 02:17:54,820
show that people should listen to it because that's, that's all about, you know,

2048
02:17:54,900 --> 02:17:58,340
sharing is caring whether you share a link or you share,

2049
02:17:58,820 --> 02:18:02,460
you know, word of mouth and anything is good publicity.

2050
02:18:02,960 --> 02:18:06,700
And John's been killing it with the interviews and the reviews and the guests

2051
02:18:07,200 --> 02:18:10,530
and brought back. Have I listened to this yet?

2052
02:18:10,610 --> 02:18:13,970
No, I haven't listened to the one where you brought more. Put MO back

2053
02:18:14,470 --> 02:18:18,290
on there. And I love when you guys get together. So that that's coming

2054
02:18:18,790 --> 02:18:21,810
tomorrow. I'm listening to the MO episode tomorrow. But yeah,

2055
02:18:22,050 --> 02:18:24,610
Shotgun baby. The shotgun of Jones.

2056
02:18:25,650 --> 02:18:28,810
Great. And what I'm also enjoying about the PM Entertainment podcast

2057
02:18:29,310 --> 02:18:33,250
is digging into some of their early stuff. I mean, look, everyone knows the.

2058
02:18:33,330 --> 02:18:36,250
Or the right people know. I'm gonna say everyone, but the right people know,

2059
02:18:36,750 --> 02:18:39,950
like the Don the Dragon Wilson stuff, the Jeff Wincott stuff, the Gary Daniels stuff.

2060
02:18:40,740 --> 02:18:44,340
You know, people know that 94 through to 97, sweet spot

2061
02:18:44,420 --> 02:18:47,060
of PM straight to video action where they were doing,

2062
02:18:47,460 --> 02:18:51,420
you know, Hollywood explosions on a tiny budget and Spiro

2063
02:18:51,920 --> 02:18:55,140
was flipping cars on the LA bridge. And like, yeah,

2064
02:18:55,640 --> 02:18:59,380
those are fantastic and those are phenomenal. And those are clearly the things

2065
02:18:59,880 --> 02:19:03,140
that bring people back to pm. But I tell you what, dude, delving into some

2066
02:19:03,640 --> 02:19:07,100
of their earlier stuff. A Shotgun and Midnight Warrior and

2067
02:19:07,600 --> 02:19:10,879
LA Heat and LA Vice and some of those early ones, dude,

2068
02:19:11,379 --> 02:19:14,839
there are some gems lurking Amongst the early 16mil and and

2069
02:19:15,339 --> 02:19:18,759
early 35mil PM entertainment collection that

2070
02:19:19,259 --> 02:19:22,359
I can't wait to get into. So yeah, the PM Entertainment podcast. Come listen.

2071
02:19:22,919 --> 02:19:26,359
Share Support Follow us on Facebook we're always over there talking

2072
02:19:26,859 --> 02:19:29,999
about what your favorite stunts are, what your favorite martial arts scenes are, who your

2073
02:19:30,499 --> 02:19:34,199
favorite PM Entertainment all stars are. We talk talk behind the scenes with

2074
02:19:34,699 --> 02:19:38,279
people behind the movies. We've got interviews with all sorts of

2075
02:19:38,640 --> 02:19:41,880
fun cats lined up. We've spoken to Ken Blakey,

2076
02:19:42,380 --> 02:19:46,000
who shot almost two thirds of their Films. We've, we've, we've spoken to both P

2077
02:19:46,500 --> 02:19:49,680
and M in PM Entertainment. That's Rick Peppin and Joseph May.

2078
02:19:50,640 --> 02:19:54,280
We had Kathleen Kimmel on talking about Art of Dying and Wings

2079
02:19:54,780 --> 02:19:58,480
Houser. She's obviously a genre icon in her own right. Done a ton

2080
02:19:58,980 --> 02:20:02,320
of great stuff. We've got Art Camacho coming

2081
02:20:02,820 --> 02:20:06,240
up on the show. So, you know, we're talking to all sorts of genre

2082
02:20:06,740 --> 02:20:10,130
legends both in front of and behind the camera. So come follow

2083
02:20:10,630 --> 02:20:13,970
us along. But that's not all. We've got two episodes of the After Movie

2084
02:20:14,470 --> 02:20:17,610
Diner that I found on the cutting room floor that Gary reminded me. I hadn't

2085
02:20:18,110 --> 02:20:21,770
put one up yet. And the other one. So there's a new parade after

2086
02:20:22,270 --> 02:20:26,450
movie diner parade episode going up this week, followed by actually

2087
02:20:26,950 --> 02:20:30,250
an old Jim Belushi Matt Paria episode that I had forgot to put up that's

2088
02:20:30,750 --> 02:20:34,000
also going to go up in the next couple of weeks. So those were

2089
02:20:34,500 --> 02:20:37,880
both missing episodes that I forgot to put up. So they're

2090
02:20:38,380 --> 02:20:41,920
gonna go up and then I am doing guest spots on the

2091
02:20:42,420 --> 02:20:45,600
Director Video, Connor Sersho. I did a guest.

2092
02:20:46,100 --> 02:20:48,920
I'm doing a guest spot on the Pint Pop Culture podcast.

2093
02:20:50,120 --> 02:20:53,880
And I might be on the forgotten film cast covering

2094
02:20:54,040 --> 02:20:57,240
Donald Pleasant's race for the Yankees effort within

2095
02:20:57,740 --> 02:21:00,520
the next month sometime. So I'm going to be out and about spreading the word

2096
02:21:01,020 --> 02:21:05,320
about PM Entertainment, spreading the word about Michael Pere and keeping

2097
02:21:05,820 --> 02:21:10,120
the airwaves open because it's about all we got left. The the Yankees

2098
02:21:10,620 --> 02:21:14,640
effort film. A film in which Donna Pleasant is drunkenly destroys

2099
02:21:15,140 --> 02:21:17,640
a bar with a chainsaw. So there's that, you know.

2100
02:21:18,680 --> 02:21:22,840
Yeah, it's phenomenal.

2101
02:21:23,340 --> 02:21:27,650
It's phenomenal. Any movie that starts with Donald Pleasance being dangled under a helicopter

2102
02:21:27,730 --> 02:21:31,970
with a net trying to catch deer while he's very obviously

2103
02:21:32,470 --> 02:21:36,610
drunk off his ass is well worth your time. You recommended

2104
02:21:37,110 --> 02:21:40,450
this film to me to watch and I watched it like the next day and

2105
02:21:40,950 --> 02:21:43,890
I was not, I was not disappointed at all.

2106
02:21:44,850 --> 02:21:48,050
If you want to see an outrageously effeminate George

2107
02:21:48,550 --> 02:21:51,810
Peppard in a big woolly hat chase down Donald Pleasance

2108
02:21:52,100 --> 02:21:55,380
in his hobo tank and you're like, what are you talking about, John? I'm like,

2109
02:21:55,880 --> 02:21:58,700
no, no, no. There's a scene in this movie where mountain men,

2110
02:21:59,200 --> 02:22:02,460
hobos build Donald Pleasant's a tank out of like bits of

2111
02:22:02,960 --> 02:22:07,460
things lying around in their garage. It this movie again, another thing

2112
02:22:07,960 --> 02:22:11,780
of beauty that that should just be experienced by all film lovers everywhere.

2113
02:22:12,180 --> 02:22:15,140
And that's the last thing I'm, I've said it before, but I'm going to say

2114
02:22:15,640 --> 02:22:19,600
it again. Go down rabbit holes, find something you like. Find an actor you

2115
02:22:20,100 --> 02:22:23,320
like. Find a genre you like. Find a director you like,

2116
02:22:23,820 --> 02:22:27,840
whatever it is. Go down rabbit holes, Watch whole career

2117
02:22:28,340 --> 02:22:32,360
spanning films by a certain person or starring a

2118
02:22:32,860 --> 02:22:36,920
certain person. Because the gems, my friend, the gems, we're finding

2119
02:22:37,420 --> 02:22:40,720
them with Parade. I found it with Pleasants, I found it with Hauser. Once you

2120
02:22:41,220 --> 02:22:44,730
delve, my friend, delve deep. The gems, my friend, that float

2121
02:22:45,230 --> 02:22:48,250
to the surface, it's a, it's a, it's a beautiful goddamn thing. And I,

2122
02:22:48,750 --> 02:22:52,090
I thank you for it, my brother. Gary. Yeah, man, it's fun

2123
02:22:52,590 --> 02:22:55,810
taking this journey with you for sure. I, I'm, I'm, I'm always, I'm always

2124
02:22:56,310 --> 02:22:59,570
down like a clown to, to talk with my good friend there, John Cross.

2125
02:23:00,070 --> 02:23:03,410
And it, it usually turns the shenanigans. And they're very, very good

2126
02:23:03,910 --> 02:23:07,490
shenanigans. Oh my gosh.

2127
02:23:07,990 --> 02:23:08,930
But yeah, what I got coming up,

2128
02:23:12,020 --> 02:23:15,460
by the time this comes out, you should have heard a brand new Last Call

2129
02:23:15,960 --> 02:23:19,700
of Torchies by now. You should have heard an episode which Mike White

2130
02:23:20,200 --> 02:23:23,860
I did about toxic dudes. We did the men's Club

2131
02:23:23,940 --> 02:23:27,740
from 1986 and then the Company of Men from

2132
02:23:28,240 --> 02:23:31,780
1987. Now these are films that, you know, may discuss you as far

2133
02:23:32,280 --> 02:23:34,500
as the subject matter goes and the way the men talk to the film.

2134
02:23:34,740 --> 02:23:38,190
But, but they are very well made films about toxic,

2135
02:23:39,390 --> 02:23:44,270
you know, with amazing performances in them. But beyond

2136
02:23:44,770 --> 02:23:49,150
that, X is on hiatus right now. X is doing

2137
02:23:49,650 --> 02:23:52,990
some family stuff. I'm not going to get into that because it's not, it's not

2138
02:23:53,490 --> 02:23:57,470
my business. But you know, either way, Suzanne may

2139
02:23:57,970 --> 02:24:03,540
show up, but in the meantime, it's going to be really, really a

2140
02:24:04,040 --> 02:24:07,980
smorgasbord of people. I, I mentioned a Mike White about doing more with me

2141
02:24:08,300 --> 02:24:11,700
because, you know, since my, my co hosts aren't always available. So I'm gonna

2142
02:24:12,200 --> 02:24:14,460
reach out to Mike to do some more stuff because, you know,

2143
02:24:15,180 --> 02:24:19,260
for a guy who, who's as busy as Mike White is with the projection

2144
02:24:19,760 --> 02:24:22,940
booth and everything else, he still takes the time to

2145
02:24:23,440 --> 02:24:27,260
take a chance on me like he did. I, I don't know, 12 years doing

2146
02:24:27,760 --> 02:24:31,310
the show now or something like that, where the man literally gave me a handbook

2147
02:24:31,810 --> 02:24:35,910
on podcasting to say, hey, you know what? Go out and play and,

2148
02:24:36,410 --> 02:24:40,710
and I, I, I tribute to him and, and Mike Murphy for, for making

2149
02:24:41,210 --> 02:24:43,990
me what you're hearing right now. The,

2150
02:24:44,490 --> 02:24:48,310
the confidence to be on the Microphone. But I may reach

2151
02:24:48,810 --> 02:24:51,870
out to Doug Tilly and Duncan McLeish, hopefully,

2152
02:24:52,370 --> 02:24:56,240
because Duncan has been, has been MIA

2153
02:24:56,740 --> 02:24:59,520
from podcasting lately. So I hope I can convince him to say, hey, Duncan,

2154
02:25:00,020 --> 02:25:02,920
you just want to do something random with me, you know, like, like the good

2155
02:25:03,420 --> 02:25:06,400
old days. This, this is what I'm after, is the good old days,

2156
02:25:06,900 --> 02:25:10,599
which makes me so good, makes me feel so good to record with John Cross

2157
02:25:11,099 --> 02:25:14,640
here because it reminds me of, you know, the good old days

2158
02:25:14,720 --> 02:25:18,640
were. I say this all the time. The Internet is not toxic,

2159
02:25:19,140 --> 02:25:23,030
people. If you go on the Internet, you find a buddy with common interests.

2160
02:25:23,270 --> 02:25:26,910
If you see a post about a film that's new to you, but you've

2161
02:25:27,410 --> 02:25:30,630
never seen it, and that film is fucking bonkers. I,

2162
02:25:31,130 --> 02:25:34,510
I see this so much time, so, so many times. So take

2163
02:25:35,010 --> 02:25:37,990
the Facebook, take to Instagram, maybe not so much X,

2164
02:25:38,230 --> 02:25:41,470
but take to those places you might find

2165
02:25:41,970 --> 02:25:45,350
joy in a person or in a film or

2166
02:25:45,430 --> 02:25:49,240
in a chocolate chip cookie or whatever the it

2167
02:25:49,740 --> 02:25:53,280
is that brings you joy. And just this ugly ass world of ours,

2168
02:25:53,680 --> 02:25:56,800
it's gonna make your, your day brighter. Okay,

2169
02:25:57,280 --> 02:26:00,920
here I am going Mr. Rogers and all your asses. But you know,

2170
02:26:01,420 --> 02:26:04,560
you guys, no, dude. I'll, I'll, I, I will say the same thing, man.

2171
02:26:05,060 --> 02:26:08,800
I'll echo what you're saying. You know, podcasting since 2011.

2172
02:26:09,840 --> 02:26:13,520
I got into it because of my good buds over the Profondo Cinema podcast

2173
02:26:14,020 --> 02:26:17,200
that was just legendary at the time and what an incredible show that was.

2174
02:26:18,150 --> 02:26:21,750
And through podcasting, as I say, haven't made

2175
02:26:22,250 --> 02:26:25,510
a lot of money. It'll never make my name a household name. I don't want

2176
02:26:26,010 --> 02:26:29,230
it to, I don't need it to. But I have made friends who are now

2177
02:26:29,730 --> 02:26:33,709
family and will remain family for life by doing

2178
02:26:34,209 --> 02:26:37,350
this thing of finding a pal, talking to

2179
02:26:37,850 --> 02:26:41,150
once a week about a movie that we love. And not only that, but it

2180
02:26:41,650 --> 02:26:44,910
has led towards, as I say, discovering jam upon jam upon

2181
02:26:45,410 --> 02:26:48,950
jam, which is if you are creatively fueled by movies,

2182
02:26:49,030 --> 02:26:52,390
you're always looking for that first time bite

2183
02:26:52,890 --> 02:26:56,670
again. You're looking for that little jab of excitement

2184
02:26:57,170 --> 02:27:00,670
that you first got when you first saw your favorite movie. You're looking for that.

2185
02:27:01,170 --> 02:27:03,830
That's what you're looking for. Yeah, sure, you can put on something that's comfort food.

2186
02:27:03,990 --> 02:27:07,190
We all like to do that as well. But you're looking for, like, the first

2187
02:27:07,690 --> 02:27:11,110
time you bit into that juicy steak and it tasted like no other steak.

2188
02:27:11,610 --> 02:27:14,950
And you know, you do that by, by going on these journeys with your friends

2189
02:27:15,450 --> 02:27:19,310
and, and, and Being brave enough to figure out some movies that otherwise,

2190
02:27:19,470 --> 02:27:22,430
and apparently according to IMDb, do not get a lot of love.

2191
02:27:22,830 --> 02:27:26,830
You suddenly go, oh, my God, these are. These are movies I'm gonna watch annually

2192
02:27:27,330 --> 02:27:30,270
now because I love them so much. And so, you know,

2193
02:27:31,550 --> 02:27:34,870
I can't speak higher of, you know,

2194
02:27:35,370 --> 02:27:38,270
the Internet is a tool. It's how you use it. And entirely too many people

2195
02:27:38,770 --> 02:27:42,330
are using it to bitch and moan at each other these days. I get it.

2196
02:27:42,830 --> 02:27:45,770
I understand why. I get the fear, I get the anger.

2197
02:27:46,270 --> 02:27:49,250
I get the division. I understand it. But if you all just took a deep

2198
02:27:49,750 --> 02:27:53,610
breath, if you all just took a deep breath and instead

2199
02:27:54,110 --> 02:27:57,010
were like, well, wait a minute. What movies do you like? What music do you

2200
02:27:57,510 --> 02:28:00,650
like? What? And I know people are like, well, that's ignoring the issue. It's not

2201
02:28:01,150 --> 02:28:04,570
ignoring the issue. It's pivoting the conversation to something we can all

2202
02:28:05,070 --> 02:28:08,540
agree on. And once we're all in a mode of agreement, we could then maybe

2203
02:28:09,040 --> 02:28:12,300
circle back to what's actually the issue, and maybe we'd then be in more

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of a mood to have a friendly conversation about it as opposed to a

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bullshit conversation about it. So, anyway, that's it.

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I'm just adding to the Mr. Rogers Ness of it, but in my own

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callous way. But that's it,

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my friend. I love you. I love all the people I met through

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podcasting. And long may we continue, because as I said,

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I watch the. The Pump up the Volume. And there's that amazing scene at

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the end of Pump up the Volume with Christian Slater being like, these are your

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airwaves. Don't let them take. Take them from you. And at the end of the

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film, everyone has started their own radio show. Well, everyone can

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start a podcast now, and everyone has started a podcast now, and that's absolutely fine.

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But the only way we keep getting to do these podcasts

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and. And get heard doing these podcasts is if we support each other, if we

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share each other, if we like each other, we comment on each other's posts,

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that's the only way this works. Otherwise, all the

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people who pay through the nose for their podcast, all the celebrities and.

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And news people and all the rest who have podcasts who just shit

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out interview shows every week, and no one learns anything new,

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and it's all just repetitive garbage. They win. Well, don't let them win.

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Share, like, comment on the independent stuff, the stuff that.

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Where we're digging deep and doing the cool. That's all I'm gonna say. I'm done

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now. Thank you. Oh, my gosh.

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This is. This is all important, though, brother. But yeah, this is the

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end Cinema Beef podcast for this time around.

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But this has been your Cindy podcast. And I say your every time

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because I mean that in my heart, man.

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Where if you got beef, we've got the grinder. See you all

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next time.