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Welcome to Pickleball Therapy,
the podcast for your pickle mind.

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This is a very special episode.

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We are fortunate enough to have Swapnil
Sahai, who is the co founder

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and CEO of Swingvision.

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Swingvision is some of the latest
technology that can help us to

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become better pickleball players.

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Swapnil is so wonderful to
have you on Pickleball Therapy.

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Yeah, thank you for having me, CJ.

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I'm super excited to be here.

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Now, tell us a little bit about your
background, because you actually, you're a

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crossover from tennis,
if I'm not mistaken.

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Yeah, That's true.

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Yeah, I played tennis since I
was probably seven years old.

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So it's been my main sport my whole life.

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I grew up playing with
my dad and my brother.

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I've watched a lot of tennis, but just
racquet sports in general, I think,

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has been a big part of my life.

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We always had a ping-pong
table at that we'd play.

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And then more recently, obviously, last
few years, been playing

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a lot of pickleball.

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So just all racquet sports
is really what I'm about.

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Nice.

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Now tell us a little
bit about Swingvision.

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You started on the tennis side,
but you have developed a fantastic

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program for pickleball players.

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Tell us a little bit about
Swingvision and how you've tailored it

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specifically to pickleball.

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Yeah.

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So Swingvision Swingvision is an app for
your phone that you can

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use to record your game.
We initially started it in tennis.

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The problem I was trying to solve was that
I wanted to have the same stats

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about my game like the pros.

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I wanted to know, how fast is my serve?

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How accurate is my forehand?

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Am I making more mistakes on my backhand?

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That was really the initial
reason why we made Swing Mission.

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It's pretty simple to set up.

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It's like you just put your phone up
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behind the baseline, and then hit record,
and then we have our own AI that

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will process the video in real-time.

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It's tracking the ball trajectory.

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It's going to track all your stats so we
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the ball landing, is it in, is it out?

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Then what's also cool is in addition to
these really cool stats that you get to

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see, we also will generate
highlights of your game.

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You could find all the best rallies, the
really fun points, or maybe you just want

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to look at your form and look at
your specific mistakes that you made.

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That's what Zoom vision is about.

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It's giving you these automated stats and
highlights using just your phone, and then

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also line calls more recently,
which is really exciting.

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We've had this in tennis
for about five years.

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We launched at the end of 2019,
just before the pandemic hit.

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But obviously, we saw pickleball grow so
quickly during the pandemic period,

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and so many people were playing it.

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We had already built this really fantastic
product for tennis, and it felt like

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given our team's background, we would be
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experience in pickleball as well.

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We launched pickleball about a year ago,
actually, and we brought the same exact

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experience where you can get these stats
and how it's about your but obviously

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more of the pickleball context.

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It's a really fun way to, I would say,
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also just improve your game as well
and share it with other people.

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It has something for everybody, I would
say, but that's what it's all about.

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It definitely has something for everyone.

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I've been using Swing Vision since earlier
this year, actually earlier in 2024,

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because it's very likely our listeners
won't be listening to this until 2025.

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I've been using it, and Tony has been
using it, and it has been a lot of fun,

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and it's also been pretty eye-opening.

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Let's talk about some of those
specific things that Swing Vision does to

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assist players in analyzing and
improving their pickleball game.

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I think the biggest thing is just
seeing the video of yourself

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play is so eye-opening.

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Nothing will beat that.

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I think that's the thing that people are
always taken back by when

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they first use the app.

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They'll record it, they see
themselves play for the first time.

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You can see how you're hitting those
shots, your serve, maybe not

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as fast as you think it is.

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It's just interesting to see that.

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You can also just really understand your
technique, your footwork, the positioning

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of like, Oh, I could
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It's all so quick.

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Within a few seconds, you can
understand what's going wrong.

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It's really cool because you
can filter by specific things.

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You could say, Show me every
dink that I hit into the net.

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Then you can look at just those shots,
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and see what went wrong.
It's really interesting.

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It makes it so efficient.

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You don't have to sift through
this really long video.

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I think that's how people are
able to improve so quickly.

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But then aside from that,
the data is also there.

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If you're a more advanced player, you can
actually look through the data and look at

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what percentage of shots you were missing,
what kinds of shots you need to

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improve, how are you losing points.

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I think that's where if you want to get
really detailed, you can do that, too.

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But honestly, for most people, the video
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of the story already.

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That's how most people are
using Swing Mission to improve.

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I know that's one of the things we
encourage our academy as well as our

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pickleball system students to put
themselves on video so that they can

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really see what's happening and
what's going on in their game.

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But one of the other intriguing things
about Swing Vision is the

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stats that it breaks down.

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Your longest rallies, your shortest
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I know in the system, we talk about
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awfully close with past five.

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Why don't you tell us, and I know you've
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to Swing Vision, why don't you tell us
about some of those pick-a-ball-specific

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metrics that players can dig
into if they're using that app?

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Yeah, for sure.

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At the beginning, we started with
Swingvision, focusing on some

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core shots, like your serves.

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In tennis, it was more like forehands and
backhands, or the main categories of shots

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you care about, maybe, Bollies,
if you're an advanced player.

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When we came to pick a ball, we got a lot
of feedback right away that they want to

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see specific stats about dinks
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Those are so important, and being
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We've added a lot of those stats actually
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last couple of months.

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You can see a breakdown of the
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speed of them and what percentage of your
third shots are actually getting volleyed

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by your opponent, which is a
very interesting stat to look at.

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How often are you hitting
drops on that third shot?

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Then it makes it easy to
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You can say, show me every dink that I hit
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that I hit, show me every third shot.

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A lot of those things are just trying to
make it really easy for pickleball

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customers to be able to look
at the shots they care about.

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That's something that
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As we get more feedback, we can add
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stats that people really care about.

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There's always a find balance because
there's almost no end to what

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so many of you can track.

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That's sometimes a challenge, but we
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us, What do you care about the most?

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We're going to show you just what
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That is one of the things that I
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Like I said, I think we first
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We started using it in March, are the
changes that you have made in the app and

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how responsive you've been to continue?

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It was a great product then, but it just
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and better and better.

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One of those features is the line calling,
because we know this can be a source

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of contention on the pickleball courts.

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You've had line calling for a while,
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Why don't you tell everybody what the
line calling is and then this new piece?

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From day one with the pickleball version
of Swingvision, you've had this

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ability to challenge line calls.

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Let's say it is a close call and you're
not sure or you don't agree with your

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opponent's call, you can actually pull on
your Apple Watch a challenge button, just

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hit that, and then it will show you a slow
motion replay of the ball where it

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bounced, and it'll tell you
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That's a really popular feature, both
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If you've watched professional
tennis, they've had this for years.

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They've had this really cool challenge
system where they go up to the

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umpire and they say challenge.

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We brought that to amateur athletes for
the first time, which has been so fun

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to be able to use it on the court.

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But this past month in December, we
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which takes it to the next level.

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Instead of even to challenge, the phone
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as soon as the ball bounces.

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You'll hit your heel like a little beep,
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you know that the ball is out.
This is a beta feature.

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It's not 100% accurate, but we built it
because we had a lot of customers ask for

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that, and they know that the accuracy is
good enough that it would make for a

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really fun experience to be able to just
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it feels so futuristic.

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But yeah, it's been received pretty well
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accuracy is always improving.

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As we get more footage and data from
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and better every month.

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But if you want to try
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It's exclusive to our highest
subscription tier at the moment, but we do

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hope to bring it to everyone eventually.

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But it's a really fun feature.

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It completely changes again.

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It makes me feel like you're a
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the system is just calling it out for you.

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It's like you have a ref on the court.

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Well, I will tell you right now, it is
funny to have it on the watch

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with the folks that I play with.

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Every once in a while, you'll get that.

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We're friendly with, Did you see it?
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Everybody's trying to get the call right,
and then they're like, The swing vision.

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What does the swing vision say, CJ?

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It definitely has become a very popular
feature with the group that I play with,

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so I can't wait to try out the voice
call so that we know what's going on.

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Yeah, that'll be super fun.

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Now, let's talk a little bit about the
equipment that you need for swing vision.

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I know one of the things that I want to
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because I'm a YouTube creator, so I'm all
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do to get shots and use
video, and it can get complex.

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But man, the swing stick, I
got to tell you, it's killer.

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It makes it so easy.

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Talk a little bit about the
equipment you need to use the Yeah.

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You don't need a lot of things,
mainly it's just an iPhone.

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We're only on iOS right now.

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We're hoping to go to Android
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But on the iPhone side, you basically
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We support a pretty wide
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Then all you do is attach
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I actually have one here.

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For your viewers, I guess, who are able to
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is what it looks like.

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It's like a tripod or selfie stick.

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You could think of it like that, but it
has a little hook on the back here, and

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then this hooks onto the behind you.

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If you're playing on a court that has a
fence behind, you can

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just stick this down.

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If you can't reach the top of the fence
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knob right here, and that can just
rest on the diamond of the chain link.

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If you have that, that's
another way to do it.

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Then you basically just put this up, and
then it gives you a nice

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simple angle of the court.

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It's just a lot easier to set up than a
tripod because a tripod has three legs

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and you have to fiddle with it a bit.

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But you can use a tripod as well.

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Let's say you're playing on a court, maybe
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you don't have a place to put the stick.

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You can also use a tripod, but we
recommend the stick for the best results.

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We actually have a patent
on the design for the stick.

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It's really cool, really unique design.

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It just slides into the fence there.

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As more courts get built with dedicated
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it should become even better.

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Then I guess that's one other thing I
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been optimized for being more accurate on
dedicated standalone pickleball courts.

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But I know we always get people saying
they're playing on courts that have

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like, pickleball on top of tennis courts.

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on top of basketball courts.

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Those are very challenging for the AI and
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lines are harder to see.

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But over time, they will get better
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It's just going to take
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But if you want the best experience, like
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able to get more accustomed to those
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But I think as more investments being made
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of more facilities being made.

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I think that will hopefully be solved long
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play on a dedicated court long term.

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But it's nice that it's so accessible.

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One of the things, too, that I want to
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is there is a sun shade.

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You do not have to worry about
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It's very unique how you put the shade on.

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Once you go through the directions, and I
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the directions for setup are excellent.

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You don't have to be a techie to do this.

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If you're not naturally dealing with
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to go through and watch the directions.

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But the team at Swing Vision has put
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players understand
how to get it set up and how to set it

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up properly so that the AI can do it job.

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I'll pass off on that one.

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Yeah, I'll bring you to that.

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We definitely put We work together a lot
of content as well on the video side.

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If reading is not your thing, you
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We have some YouTube videos on it.
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We always get questions about that,
especially people playing in the Southern

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half of the US where it can
get really hot in the summer.

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These phones are really robust.

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Then with the SunShade,
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You can play as much as you want.
It'll be fine.

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I'll tell you, my first time
recording, I told you we got this.

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You sent us to us.

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We are down at the US Open, and
Tony was playing Senior Pro matches.

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This was the end of March, and it was down
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degrees with humidity.

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I recorded all of Tony's matches
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Same thing up here in Tahoe.

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It's been fantastic with that.

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But there is one thing for those of us
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I will tell you this, it is super
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ties into the app.

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Can you talk a little about that?

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It just makes it so much
easier and more fun, honestly.

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But the first thing you'll notice right
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camera, you can check the camera from
your watch, which is just so convenient.

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You can take a peek, make
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You're able to see the whole court.

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You get that green
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That's already so convenient for
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But then while you're playing, there's
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Firstly, if there's a really good rally
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bookmark it right away.

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We have this concept of favoriting
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That makes it really easy because you
can just add it to your bookmarks.

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Then later on, after the recording, you
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reel of just those bookmarks.

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It makes it super easy to
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Then a big thing that we've added
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Especially for new players, the
scoring is a little tricky sometimes.

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You can actually update scores.

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It'll even show you which side
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Is it the first serve or the second serve?
You can see all that.

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You can know what the score is.

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Is it one, two, two or one, two, one?
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You can see all that right away.

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You won't have any arguments on the score
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use the Apple Watch app.
It's so fun to use it for that.

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It even teaches you a bit more
about how the scoring works.

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And so I think those are just
some of the great benefits.

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Then obviously the line challenging that
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being able to from the watch is
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Definitely recommend using the
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If you don't have an Apple Watch, we
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another phone as the remote control.

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You can just pull up a QR code and
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It can actually even be an Android device.

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Just right from the browser, you'll be
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do the same kinds of things.

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But I think with the watch, it's just so
easy, and it's just right on your wrist.

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I just learned something I didn't know.

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Which sometimes we were talking
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I said sometimes with my watch because I
play with my contacts on, sometimes it's a

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little hard to steam my watch just
because the screen is so small.

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Now, I will say this, it's
super convenient with the lines.

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All I'm looking for to set it up are the
lines and getting the green

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checkmark, so that I can generally do.

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But sometimes some of the other
features might be difficult to see.

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I think I'm going to have to try it out
using somebody else's his phone as a

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remote because at least you
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Totally.
Yeah, exactly.

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Now, one of the things you brought up is
you brought up the fun points and some of

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the stuff that happens during matches, not
just our stats, but reliving

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some of those super fun points.

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Can you share matches with other players
who maybe aren't Swing Vision users?

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Yeah, you can.

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We've just built so much into making that
as easy as possible, but it's really cool.

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You can create as customized as a
highlight reel as you want, these five

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specific points or something like that.

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You can generate a unique link for that
highlight reel, share it with somebody

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else, and they'll build it,
just watch it in the browser.

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They don't even need to
have the app installed.

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It's literally like Google Docs.
It's so easy.

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You could take those favorite
rallies, share that with somebody.

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If you want to look at just your third
shots, you can share that with your coach.

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Whatever you want to do, it's so easy to
share it, and they don't

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even need to have the app.

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They can just watch it
for free on the website.

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It's a great way to give your friends and
family or your coach an introduction into

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the app and also
just share content from the app.

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I think that's been a really
neat function that we built.

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But then separate to that, if you're
really into posting on social media,

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there's a really cool feature there.

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Typically, when you're recording at
Swingvision, you're recording in

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Landscape, so you have that wide screen
view of the court, which is what you

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want to be able to capture everything.

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But these days, when you're sharing
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it's always that vertical content.

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What Swingvision does is it It allows you
to export your highlights in a vertical

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format where it will
follow the ball for you.

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Even though you've captured your video in
this wide screen, it will create

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this vertical video and it's perfect.

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You can post it on social media and it'll
look like you have a

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cameraman following the ball.
It's really cool.

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It's all just automatically generated.
You don't have to do anything.

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I use this personally a lot.

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I'll post really fun rallies
on my stories all the time.

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If you look at our streaming vision app
page on Instagram, it's all the posts are

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basically just players around
the world sharing their rally.

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It's really cool to see that.

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I have to tell you, as somebody who does
video and edits video, that is such a time

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saver because it is not an easy thing to
take a landscape and turn it into

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a horizontal to be able to do...

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I'm sorry, a vertical.

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A vertical to
be able to post on social media.

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That's one of the super fun features.

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My My friends are always like, You are
going to send that to me, right, CJ?

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That's the thing that they want before
they leave the court because they're

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going to analyze their own play.

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We talked about everything that
Swingvision does right now, but

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I know that you are not stopping.

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As I mentioned earlier, we are
recording this at the end of 2024.

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It's just before the holidays,
but I think you've got some tricks up your

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for new features in Swingvision for 2025.

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Is there anything that you can tell us?

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Yeah, well, I mean, definitely can share a
bit about what we have coming up on the

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pickleball side and
just the app in general.

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But yeah, the pickleball, specifically,
we've had a lot of customers reach out

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asking for support for a ball
machine and just drilling in general.

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So having those dedicated session types.

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So that's definitely something
we'll be doing next year.

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And ball machine is something we've
offered for tennis for a while.

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So it's a slightly different mode.

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You're not playing against another human.

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So requires a certain amount of
data before that tracking gets good.

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But we are planning to release that next
year, so that'll be really exciting.

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Then another feature that we're going to
bring over from tennis is this concept

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of automatically scoring your match.

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Currently in tennis, what's cool is you
can record your match, you can put the

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final score of the game, and then it will
automatically fill in every single point

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who won that point, and then it'll put a
scoreboard onto your video automatically.

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We're going to bring that to pickleball,
and I think that's going to be so neat

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because it just elevates it's the quality
of your video because now you'll see

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a little scoreboard in the corner.

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It just makes it feel more professional.

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But then also it's nice because you could
add additional filters to your video and

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say, show me the points that
I won or the points I lost.

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There's just additional context that you
can add or show me just the points

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on my serve or whatever it is.

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I think that's really convenient to be
able to just

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be able to take more advantage of
your video and get more out of it.

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But then aside from that, we've been just
pushing really hard on line calling, and

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we have a lot of exciting stuff that we're
working on to bring that to competition

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play, both at the amateur and maybe
even at the professional level.

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We're talking with various different
organizations about that, and

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there's a lot of excitement there.

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Obviously, there's a need to solve the
line calling problem in pickleball.

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I That results up really well to do that,
given our experience in tennis, and really

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excited to bring that to more people.

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Just every competition you play, and
you'll get to feel like

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you're a professional.

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You have this line calling system
in place, and it'll be different.

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Instead of a watch, there'll be an iPad
that you can walk up to to challenge,

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and both players can see the results.

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There's a lot of stuff in the works there
to just improve that part

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of the experience, too.

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But we're always working on new things and
always listening to feedback.

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If there's anything that we're missing
that you think we don't have, just write

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into our support team, leave us feedback.

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We're always looking to
improve the experience.

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As I can attest, and I mentioned this a
little earlier in the podcast, there were

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so many changes from the time that
I first got it to to recording now.

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You just kept improving and improving and
improving and listening to the feedback.

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Regardless, if you're just getting it for
line calling or if you're getting it

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because you want to see yourself on video
or the stats, It is, Hey, I'm really

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working on this and I want to find out
what my problems are because I can tell

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you as the coach, most players are blind
to their own problems.

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That includes the coach.

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I'm blind to my own problems.

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That's why I want to see myself on
video and what I'm actually doing.

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Yeah, that's it.

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Slipnail, you have been
very generous with us.

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If anyone is interested in the Swingvision
technology, I think we have a special link

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and a special code
where with a subscription,

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they get one of the swing sticks for free.
Is that?

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That's right.
Yeah, it's a great offer.

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Normally, the swing stick is $100 on its
own, but if you get it with our

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subscription, our subscription
is $15 a month, filled annually.

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It's a really great price point.

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If you purchase that through this special
link, then you'll get the stick for

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free, and that's the best way to set up.

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You'll just be set up
for success that way.

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If you are listening to this rather as a
podcast or on the YouTube channel, you

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can check it out in the show notes.

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But the easiest way to do it is go
to our website, betterpickleball.

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Com/resources.

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You will see the latest link, the latest
code, so that you get the

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best deal on Swing Vision.

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Neil, it has been wonderful to have you
here with us and to explain

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all about Swing Vision.

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Yeah, likewise.
Thank you so much for having me.

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Super fun.