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Unknown: Drummers get the brunt
of jokes and stuff like that.

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Oh, I'm getting to that. Yeah.
Well, I mean, bass players do

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too, though. Oh yeah, you know,
because if you look at the chart

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of girls to people in the band
ratio, you know, typically, the

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singer's got two girls in each
arm. Guitar players got a girl

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on each arm, one girl, drummer
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players by itself.

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Is that how it works? This is
the rich Redman show. I get

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good stories. We roomed

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together for a year. Yes, we did
room together for a year when I

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was doing Body for Life, and I
had my myoplex

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shakes absolute on the bus. How
did

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I not know you did that? Well,
you know, I only got because

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I hadn't been on the show yet.

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I only got, I mean, I think, I
think I leaned up a little bit,

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but I don't know if I did it all
that was rigorous, right? Yeah,

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that was a tough. Oh, eating six
times a day, six times

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a day, salmon burgers.

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Now I only eat two or three
times a day, and I fast. Well,

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most days I will fast until noon
or one, really, and that's when

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I get my first meal. When do you
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Um, I try to do it no later than
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bed. Okay, yeah, I'm a big fan
of fasting. Yeah, I did it a few

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years ago, serious and sometimes
going 1820 hours a day. Yeah,

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nice. And I was never more alert
in my life.

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Yeah? Because one, you know,
we're just as humans, especially

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Americans, we were just
shoveling too much food in our

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way, too much, you know? Yep,

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yeah. But I think our food
supply has also been compromised

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over the last 2030, years. Did
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guys watch the latest bill burr
stand up? I've

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half of it. I got half more to
go. Okay, so we've watched

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it three times, because the
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only half conscious. We were in
and out, you know. Then we

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watched it again last night. And
man, he's got some good points.

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But yeah, food supply is, yeah,

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those stand up comics, they're
they're brilliant, they're

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smart. I love watching the
comedians and cars, yeah,

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getting coffee, because you see
how smart these people, yeah?

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Oh, you're just in tune with
everything. And

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they got to be in tune, you
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They're like songwriters. Their
radar has to be up, but they're

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also tapped into a very dark
part of life, depending on what

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kind of comedy

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date. Well, they say that most
comedians are damaged human

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beings in some way, or they say
for some form of trauma, but you

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know, the social commentary is
at a high level, and just the

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ability to walk out on stage
without a net and do that thing?

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Yeah? Because when we're seeing
bill, it's probably at the end

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of a three month run culminates.
He's got his reps in, he's got

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his reps in to where there's
less. The connective tissue is

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all there, yeah, because I
didn't see one cue card, I don't

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see one note on stage, nothing,
you know, like Bill Maher, we,

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you know, I'm a fan of Bill
Maher. He, he's always, he's

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always had a television show,
and then his stand up comedy is,

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is icing on the cake. So maybe
he'll only, do, you know, 20

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shows a year, or whatever. But
his thing is, he's got a music

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stand, which is, I think it's
cool. He's got a little music

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stand in the corner with little
notes. And he'll just walk over

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to the music stand and go,

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oh yeah, I appreciate Bill
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less far left and more right in
the middle, looking at both

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sides and going, No, you're an
idiot, and no urine. And

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which is, which is the
conversation that needs to

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happen at this point in time.
More of a empathic, empathetic,

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centrist conversation, yeah,
common sense. The empath is your

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wife. The empath is my wife.

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that's a cool thing to have in
your tool chest as a human,

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because she's seeing or feeling
things that we're not, yeah. But

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it also could be

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tough because she's seeing
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that we're not, no, I mean,
it's, you know, we're going on

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24 years not

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you're doing just fine. I'm just
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empath. Yeah, it's heavy.

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So housekeeping. Anything new
coming up? You want to talk

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about, oh, Jim,

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you know, when this comes out,
it's seven or eight weeks. I

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mean, we have so many of these
episodes in the can. We're gonna

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have merch. We at this point, we
will be wearing our own hoodies.

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We're not We're not wearing them
now, drinking out of our own

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coffee mugs, right? And I'm so
excited about this merch

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company, because she's really
classy. She does a great job.

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What's the company?

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The nesting project in

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Antioch, or Smyrna and Smyrna,

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yeah, and the idea is that we
don't have to hold stock. So if

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you really like the hoodie, you
really like the baseball shirt,

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you really like the coffee mug,
it gets built, it gets

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manufactured at when you order
it, right? Which is awesome.

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Yes, super excited. But no,
we're just eating some truffles

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today from a friend of mine,
Stan Z. Three concepts. He just

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had me in. Of course, this will
be eight weeks old news to do my

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master class. Kind of one man
show thing over in Erie,

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Pennsylvania, had a great time.
Put me up in this amazing hotel

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room right on Lake Erie. We
broke bread. I got to meet some

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new people. I got to work with
some kids. You know, from there

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was this thing called the The
eerie art house, and it was

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basically, you know, kids after
school that have troubled home

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lives. They can go and they can
do something productive with the

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arts, music, painting, all that
kind of stuff. Alice Cooper has

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a similar thing where you go
after school, it's a safe place

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for kids to, like, learn Pro
Tools and video production or

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learn to play a musical
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thing. Which is a great thing.
Yeah. But what about you, buddy?

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Anything been kind of happening
you want to kind of, kind of

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promote, besides your lighting
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well, we've got the Well, I
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comes out, we'll probably be
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Oh, yeah. Your Huey gig will be
may 28 at City winery. Jim has

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been playing drums for fun for a
very long time, but now he's

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going to be in the public eye.
He's going to be on stage. He's

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going to be kicking this band,
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this Huey Lewis trippy band. And
give me your honest opinion.

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You've watched me play some of
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been words, you've been wood
shedding it every day. You've

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been living it. You know, I tell
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ready. If you stay ready and
you've been immersed in the

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material, it's going to be part
of your DNA. So I think you're,

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I think you're ready, yeah,
yeah, man, it's a vote of

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confidence, dude, good job, man.
Everybody

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that's been coming on here has
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gonna be there, and it's like,
all these, you know,

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professional guys, heavy
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man, no pressure. That's making

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you feel good. Yeah, I'm going
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night to see the bodines, which
a fantastic American rock band,

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Wisconsin, yeah, Heartland rock
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Wisconsin, that's heartland,
right, yeah. So tell us about

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our guest. Hey, we're into it,
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Massachusetts, but growing up in
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Moncton, yeah, tell me about
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Nashville since 1997 this
gentleman, I got to play with

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Pam Tillis together for about 18
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time. But he's a fantastic bass
player, world class bass

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players. Also play with folks
like James Bond me, Kevin sharp,

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Clay Davidson, of course, I
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been the band leader and the
bass player for Gary Allen, an

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award winning country rock
musician Gary Allen for 25 years

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talking about my friend Brian
arsenal, What's up, buddy? This

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is great. I can't believe 25
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first of all congratulations,
because having any job in the

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music business where you got a
nice w2 and they got the fic at

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the FICA, the medic they get
that they do all the stuff for

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you so you don't have suffer on
your taxes. And it's the tour

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that never ends that's very
impressive.

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Yeah, I agree. It's just coming
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be in it this long, sure enough,
you're still here. Yeah, gotta

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leave tonight. But you're

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a lifer. You're a lifer. You're
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the best, slapping the best,
sleeping the best.

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Why didn't he say it that way?

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Yeah, it was probably just an
improvisational thing where Paul

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Rudd was just in the moment, and
it was probably, oh, it wasn't

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even the first tag, or was an
outtake. And like, you know, did

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see the one where they did they
they meet rush backstage? Oh,

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yes, yes. And he's like, you
know me and Tom Sawyer. He's

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like, what'd you say?

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Don't they give him kind of
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of thing. Or, yeah.

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And they eat Neil's sandwich,
and Neil gets very mad, my God,

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rest

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his soul. God, rest his soul. I
love that. Judd Apatow, man,

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this is 40. Is like, wow, that's
like, a holy grail long movie

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too. And there's a director's
cut that's even longer. Oh my

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gosh. I love it when he's like,
got his legs spread apart and

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he's got his iPhone, he's got
the mirror, he's got the camera

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on the iPhone. He's like, can
you tell me, what is this? What

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is this? Is it a hemorrhoid? Is
this an anal? Fisher, what is

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this? And she's like, can we
keep some romance or

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privacy? Yeah, brilliant.

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There's only been one time where
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our marriage. And it's like, it
is weird.

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Yeah, you do want to keep some
you know, it's the old farting

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rule. Like, at what point do you
start farting around each

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other? Ever? If ever. Oh, that's
we're way past that. See, I love

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the you are totally past that.
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See, rich, rich has got that
thing where you'll say something

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and now look at you like a
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Let me ask you this, you did
spend a year living together?

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We did, yeah. So what was it?
Sound kind of strange. I would

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never want

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anyone else in that band to be
my roommate. We were just it was

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great

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that, yeah, that year, that was
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year. When was the year? What
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that? 2000 in the year 2000

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so did you have did you pick up
on his idiosyncrasies, like when

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you bought a new shirt? Did he
Oh, absolutely. Well, how would

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he approach if he didn't like
the shirt? How would he let you

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know? Know, I always

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like branch shirts, but we had
an out. We had a uniform with

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Pam.

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I dressed kind of, yeah, black,
black shows. One time she had

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us, remember, we're in LA, and
we all went into a store

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together, and she said,
everybody pick out a shirt. I'll

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buy it. Oh, yeah, remember that
that's where I got this killer

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leopards, leopard printed
striped bowling shirt, like

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all black with one, one little,
tiny stripe right across. I got

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the black one with the massive,
massive Leopard on each side.

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Still have that shirt.

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You still have it. Still have
man, you still fit into it

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because you are highway
proportion and you care about

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your body. So it's great. Well,
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you. It's good. Yeah,

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I kids am not

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now, Jim, are you still on your
trying 50? Before 50? I

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had the pleasure of having a
physical this week. So nice,

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little subtle reminder of how
awful you're doing. So what did

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the doctor say? Oh, high blood
pressure. All the things. Is

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that mostly, is high blood
pressure mostly from stress or

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diet, or is it

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DNA? Might be hereditary for us,
my brother's got high blood

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pressure as well, and I think a
lot of people do, because I'm

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wondering if it's not really all
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get meds out there. Oh,

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now you're going to the big
conspiracy. Orwellian. Well,

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could be I've got high
cholesterol the last couple of

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physicals that I went to a Thai
cholesterol, I was like, What's

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going on here? Yeah, never had
that problem. Yeah, I eat well,

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yeah, could be the water I'm
drinking, yeah? I

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think it's the food supply. I
mean, you know, ever since we

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interviewed Mike Tirana I've
been thinking about that. He's

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been in Italy, and, you know,
he's loving life over there. The

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food's great. He's clean,

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yeah. So Mike Taran is this
killer, like, like, metal fusion

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drummer. And he got, you know,
he's lived in several countries,

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and he's been living abroad in
Sardinia, Italy, and he's like,

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man, he goes, I'm into fitness.
And, you know, of course, in the

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United States, they say, watch
the pizza, watch the pasta. He

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says he eats pizza and pasta all
the time time, and it doesn't

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bother him, and he doesn't gain
weight, no, and it's fresh.

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I know that whenever I've been
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platter of, like, a deli platter
with fresh fruit and vegetables,

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it's unbelievable. Taste
different. Good it is. Yeah,

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it's like the the color of fruit
in California, yeah, so much

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more vivid.

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Oh, god, yeah. The strawberries
are just so succulent and

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beautiful. And the avocados,

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avocados almonds, so green.

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Yeah, almonds. Oh, you're an
avocado guy, right? Because

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you're a

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healthcare an avocado guy, yeah,
almonds. A funny story. A couple

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of years ago, one of the guys in
our band knows this. These

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people have an almond farm,
yeah, and they brought this

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massive box of almonds, and
nobody was taking any. So I

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filled this massive bag, it must
have been like 1520, pounds, put

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it in my suitcase, because we're
flying out of LA the next day.

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And sure enough, that thing is
going through the security

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scanner, and they pull me over.
The guys are just watching,

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laughing because they know it's
coming. And he pulls it out,

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pulls it out of my suitcase, and
looks at me, and I went,

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Albans. He says it like
Christopher walking,

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not supposed to chip fruit.

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No, he just wanted to know what
I'm doing with a 25 pound bag of

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Altman. You're like, Dude, I
love all almonds. Yeah, they put

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them back in the suitcase and I
was on my way. It's amazing. I

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would just be like, well,

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that's nuts. Oh gosh, I'm sorry.
Show yourself out

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anyways. Yeah, we did have a
good time. And I'm trying to

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remember where we went in Los
Angeles. That was before I

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really spent any time in Los
Angeles, but it was a may have

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been on Melrose Avenue where she
took us. It was like a could

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have been, yeah, could have
been. But those are the, those

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were the the Charlie Sheen
bowling shirts that was there

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was like a period of time from
like 97 to 2001 where we were

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all wearing our bowling shirts.

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Yeah, yeah. I took it out of the
closet five or six years ago,

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brought it out on the road, just
just as you know, just to see

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the reaction, just the reaction.
What did the guy say? John

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Lancaster, wanted to wear it.
Oh, yes. Gotta rest us. He can.

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He can rest he could. He could
wear anything he wanted. Looked

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great. Yeah, yeah, amazing,
yeah. Oh, that's

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a good thing. So you know,
what's the deal with born in

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Massachusetts, and then you're
in Canada. So

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yeah. So my parents were went
there in the 60s. I was born

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there in the 60s. Show my age,
and yeah, I did up to grade one

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and two. It was that little
place called we we pronounce it

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Haverhill. I think spelled
Haverhill, haver was about 30

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miles, I want to say, east of
Boston. So it was there for till

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grade two, and then my parents
decided to move back to Canada

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be with family and stuff. And
that's where I grew up until

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I'm. Moved here, I think the
class of 97 I hear a lot of

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people came here in 97 Yeah, I
came here, actually a couple

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months November of 96 is when I
came down to check things out.

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Yeah, Nashville was, like a
million miles to me. I wanted to

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go. I wanted to come here for
years. But it just, you know, I

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think I did 13 years, 12 or 13
years touring Canada, yeah, with

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this artist. Who was it? Well,
there was, there was different

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artists that I worked with. I
mean, I started, would have been

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like, right, 8319 83 is when I
started. And I went on the road

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back then the country circuit
out there would have been like

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six, seven nights a week. So
once I left New Brunswick and I

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went out Western Canada, I was
out for good so I was touring

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678, months at a time before I
could come home, my God, and,

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you know, just playing country
bars, six, seven nights,

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sometimes a Sunday matinee,
doing all that kind of stuff

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when you're

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going that long, were you like,
Were you still living with your

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parents? Or did you have a
girlfriend? Or

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still, well, still living with
the parents that, because I was

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out of high school, worked a
little bit of a day job before

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this band was coming through,
there was a club in Moncton

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called the urban Chorale, and
they had won two or three years

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in a row for like, top country
bar and yeah. So a lot of the

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great, lot of bands were coming
through there, even the American

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bands. So I used to go down
there. Wasn't old enough to get

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in. I got 1617, and I would
stand outside the door at the

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club, because they'd open up the
doorman would open up the doors,

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let all the smoke out, just
cigarette smoke just billowing

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out. But I could hear the band.
I couldn't see them. They were

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around the corner, and I would
just stand up there and just

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listen to the bands all the
time. Then a couple of the

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doormen I kind of got to be
friends with, and the promoter

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of that club, whatever, they
just what come here, they bring

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me around the corner, just, just
little seat there where I could

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see the band, and I'd watch the
band. So nice of them. Yeah. So

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I did that for a little while,
and then a couple years later, I

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get a phone call. I don't know
who gave them my name, but there

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was a band coming through town.
Was this is the first one that I

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went on the road with. And they
came through town, and they were

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looking for a bass player. I
went to meet them, and I was on

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the road. The next day. They had
fired their bass player right

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then and there. And I was on the
road. Went to Nova Scotia first,

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yeah. And then we went straight
out west. Wait

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a minute. They fired the bass
player after meeting you like

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it was his last the day I met
them. Yeah, that was his last

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night. Yeah, yeah. Wow. So you

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must see you just laughable.
You're likable. They're like,

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this guy's

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gonna be a better fit? Yeah,
they had no idea who I was, but,

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yeah, they just, but then you
jump into nine months of living

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with them, but, you know, I'm
not gonna use any names, but I

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went on the road with this band,
and I think it lasted about 12

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weeks. And starting from night
one, it was just constant

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fighting every night. We're in a
Winnebago

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and fighting. You're not even in
a

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van. You're in a Winnebago.
We're in a Winnebago.

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I'm talking physical fighting,
like these people, they hit they

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had some they had some issues.
They had some issues. And I'm

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like, Were you involved in the
fights? I was not involved in

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the fights you had to watch. I
was watching this. And Brian is

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even key. It was kind of like
almost every night, but the last

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night of the week is when all
hell broke loose. Wow. And I

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think I got out. I'm still
young. I'm like, Oh, I gotta

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keep doing this, you know. And I
think I was in, we were out in

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Ontario, somewhere, playing one
place for two weeks straight.

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And

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really, know the local wildlife,
oh yeah. What I mean? Oh yeah.

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What do you mean? See there,
there's that, but the head tilt,

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but, yeah, that was a the last
night of that run. It was, was

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the biggest fight I'd ever seen.
I've never there was bodies fly.

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There's people going through
drywall, like in the wall. I'm

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just like, Okay, I've got to do
something. I need a new gig. I

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need a new gig. So the next not
healthy. The next time we're

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going to was Winnipeg, and I had
an uncle that lived there, and I

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called him up and I said, I
think I'm going to quit. I'm a

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bit scared. Why you scared? I
said, as I explained it to him,

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he says, do

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I get hazard pay? So you're like
19 years old,

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18. I think 1819, thinking that
this is how it

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is, thinking, this is this is it
right here. So we drive to,

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well, after the massive fight,
we were told to be on that on

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the Winnebago at like five in
the morning, because we got to

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drive to Winnipeg. Was there a
girl in the band? There? Was not

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in the band, but one of the
girlfriends was on the road. Oh

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no.

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Okay, what kind of a Winnebago
was? It was at least a nice one.

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Or it was like, you know, 1980s
70s version. Oh, it's definitely

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70s. Oh, wow. It makes it even
worse. Is 1983 that I'm talking

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about? Yeah, so we're talking
like, Alabama's on the radio and

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and, you

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know, I'm making maybe 300 bucks
a week, but we had to pay the

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gas. He took gas money. Out of
all the guys, I'm on the road

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778, months, I know I'm just,
I'm eating hot dogs and rice and

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so but I'm young. I'm like, This
is rock and roll, right? Yeah,

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no, that's great. Yeah. I'm the
country band. So get on the

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Winnebago and we go to Winnipeg,
and it's halfway through the

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week, and I'm in my hotel room.
You want to hear these

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stories? Oh, totally, yeah,

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I can. I can hear fighting. It's
three or four in the morning. I

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can hear fighting. So I I had my
own room. I think it's been too

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long to remember, but I opened
the door of my hotel room

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because I could hear the
fighting next door, and I can

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hear it's just, it's Armageddon
going on, and our names are

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getting thrown it and
everything. I said, That's it.

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So I sneak out the window of my
hotel because I didn't want to

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walk by the room. And I broke
into the they had a horse

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trailer that they were hauling
for behind the Winnebago with

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the gear, yeah. And I had a few
things. I had a banjo in there.

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He's played banjo, yeah, and
broke in there, got my banjo out

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and just little knick knacks
that I had, whatever. Got all

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that out just in case, because
that might have been a Friday

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night. Saturday was the last
gig. My uncle said, I'll be down

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there with a couple guys help
you get your base amp and all

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that out of there. Okay, so
we're into the you play four

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sets. Always play four sets up
at 10 to two in the morning.

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That was the 45 on 15 off, 45 on
15 on yet the other off. Some of

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those clubs, the stripper would
come in and perform. That's

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great. Yeah, nice. So here back
in that time, so I'm playing,

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it's, I think was the four. It's
the third, third set. Here comes

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my uncle. The door opens. My
uncle comes in, and he's got

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about 15 guys with him, big
guys, and everybody's turning

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around, like, it's like a bike
game, nice. And I'm

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like, came to the rescue, right
from A

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Bronx Tale, when they go into
the bar, into the bar. Now you

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can't leave great movie.

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Yeah, locks the door so, but,
yeah, I quit that night and

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but what the hell were these
people fighting about? You

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missed a chord on the second
song tonight, I

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know had nothing to do with
that. Just, just problems. Did

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you eat

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sandwich problems

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with the booze. So I was in a
lot of bands where there would

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be a husband and wife fighting
all the time. So many bands

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who'd be a husband and wife band
that was there too. They would

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hire the young dudes, and they
would be fighting like cats and

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dogs, and you could feel the
tension on stage. Oh yeah. What

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would they fight about? Just,
you know, marital thing that

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sounds like spinal to take it to
the stage. Take it to the stage,

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you

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know, I gotta say, you know,
looking at you in the video

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monitors over here, Brian, if
you ever wanted to pull off a

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Halloween costume, uh oh, Agent
Smith from The Matrix, you could

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totally do. Oh,

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totally. You guys would be mad.
I, I've only seen the first

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matrix, and that's when it first
came out. That's, that's all you

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need to see. Okay, that is the
other where

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the other movies weren't bad.
There's a

434
00:23:00,540 --> 00:23:03,660
matrix. Revolutions The Matrix
Reloaded.

435
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,600
Well, reloaded was the second.
Revolutions was the third. That

436
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,940
girl that you know in the first
movie, Carrie Anne moss and the

437
00:23:08,940 --> 00:23:11,880
leather pants. Oh, my God, I'd
like to see what she's into

438
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:12,420
these days.

439
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:14,460
Sure she was in the last movie.
Yeah,

440
00:23:14,700 --> 00:23:17,700
they re heard that was bad. I
didn't see it. It was okay,

441
00:23:17,700 --> 00:23:20,400
yeah, yeah. It wasn't exactly.
Didn't have the same pizzazz.

442
00:23:20,460 --> 00:23:22,160
Yeah, as the other movies,

443
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:23,840
women in leather. It's a great
thing,

444
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:29,180
you know, not enough Bazoom,
yeah, she needed to fill it out.

445
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:30,380
Jim likes him.

446
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:33,140
He likes some curvy,

447
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:38,000
but, yeah, that's, uh, I guess I
didn't get to helica. So that

448
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:38,960
was, that was my first

449
00:23:39,380 --> 00:23:43,000
13 years of touring with but
some of the gigs got better.

450
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:43,300
Well,

451
00:23:43,300 --> 00:23:47,860
after that i i stayed out there.
I got picked up by another band

452
00:23:47,860 --> 00:23:50,620
for about six weeks that wasn't
going anywhere. Actually, you

453
00:23:50,620 --> 00:23:53,320
like, there's one funny story
about that. I got picked up by

454
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,540
this other band and said, We're
gonna come pick you up. That's

455
00:23:55,540 --> 00:24:00,100
wherever, wherever hotel I was
at. It's a van, old style van,

456
00:24:00,820 --> 00:24:03,300
and it was a husband and wife.
They were nice to eat. They

457
00:24:03,300 --> 00:24:06,600
didn't fight, but their husband
wife, they were up in the front,

458
00:24:06,780 --> 00:24:10,080
and just behind the seat there
was a piece of plywood like

459
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:14,460
this, for three guys, drummer,
guitar player and now the new

460
00:24:14,460 --> 00:24:17,760
bass player, and the sliding
door open, then it was all gear

461
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,080
behind that, yeah, and the
sliding door opens and they're

462
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,980
all sitting on their butts like
this, with the legs straight out

463
00:24:25,100 --> 00:24:28,280
to the back of the seats. And I
had to get in the middle, and I

464
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,340
get in the middle, and I'm,
like, they shut the door. We

465
00:24:31,340 --> 00:24:34,820
had, like, about an 810, hour
drive to go, and they all

466
00:24:36,380 --> 00:24:39,560
everyone to start laying up
cigarettes with the windows up.

467
00:24:39,740 --> 00:24:41,980
Oh, that lasted about six weeks.

468
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,280
Oh, my god, yeah. Gag, you never
smoked. Never smoked.

469
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:50,020
No. And then then I went back
home, get another phone call,

470
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,740
same from the same club. Gave my
name to these other people from

471
00:24:53,740 --> 00:24:57,280
Ontario. Yeah. I go meet them at
the same restaurant, and I'm

472
00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:02,100
with them two days later,
driving Ontario. And that that

473
00:25:02,100 --> 00:25:04,620
worked out pretty good. But
after a year that I was burning

474
00:25:04,620 --> 00:25:07,380
out being out there, whatever,
and on the way home, we were

475
00:25:07,380 --> 00:25:10,260
doing our last trip, and I was
getting ready to I was leaving

476
00:25:10,260 --> 00:25:13,500
the band, and we were coming
from British Columbia all the

477
00:25:13,500 --> 00:25:16,020
way back to Ontario, with which
was their home base, and then I

478
00:25:16,020 --> 00:25:20,720
was going to go home. We made
the artist, she had bought a

479
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,240
van, really, really nice van,
and but there was hauling a

480
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,300
trailer like you see on the back
of the busses here. Yeah, and

481
00:25:26,300 --> 00:25:29,600
just wasn't designed to pull
that. We made it all the way

482
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,360
where we cut down through
Detroit and come up through

483
00:25:32,360 --> 00:25:36,440
Windsor to go to where she was
from, and the van starting to

484
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,680
break down. Oh, no. So I was in
the back of that van for the

485
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,300
last four or five hours with my
head on the back doors, my feet

486
00:25:43,300 --> 00:25:47,680
up on the closet, and the
drummer was back there too, and

487
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,560
we were just hanging out there.
The others were in the front,

488
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,960
and they said, we can get home.
It's only two more hours home.

489
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,800
Let's let's putter this thing
home at 15 miles an hour. We can

490
00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:01,020
get there. So I got back in the
van after I'd stretched, and I

491
00:26:01,020 --> 00:26:03,660
switched around and put my head
on the closet doors and my feet

492
00:26:03,660 --> 00:26:06,960
on the back doors, which was
smart, because we started going

493
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,620
15 miles an hour, but the
tractor trailer coming behind us

494
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:15,480
at about 80. Oh no, didn't see
us, and he hit us. He drove that

495
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,720
trailer. I remember seeing the
trailer came off the hitch and

496
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,560
went right through the back
doors, and I the hitch went,

497
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,860
right? I kind of folded like an
accordion, like in a split

498
00:26:24,860 --> 00:26:28,160
second, hmm. And, yeah, so, my

499
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,160
God, you could have died, buddy.
It's close. Michael, yeah. So

500
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,980
that's a lot of years of
unglamorous touring. So

501
00:26:33,980 --> 00:26:37,220
unglamorous drawings. That's
some of the first jobs I did in

502
00:26:37,220 --> 00:26:39,560
Nashville. I reached out to a
drummer named Lonnie Wilson, is

503
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,820
one of the most recorded
drummers you know him. And he

504
00:26:42,820 --> 00:26:45,100
said, Hey, you know, it's not
glamorous. But this girl that

505
00:26:45,100 --> 00:26:48,520
does, she's like, you know, you
play in the band houses. You got

506
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,860
to drive out to Phoenix or in
the middle of nowhere, and you

507
00:26:50,860 --> 00:26:53,500
stay there for, like, a couple
of weeks, and you're staying in

508
00:26:53,500 --> 00:26:55,780
the band house, which is never
clean, and it's like, you're

509
00:26:55,780 --> 00:26:58,660
going to get crabs from it. And,
you know, it's,

510
00:26:58,660 --> 00:27:01,320
I've got, I've got pictures of
the there's some band houses

511
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,860
that I stayed in. I had the
actual pictures where I took

512
00:27:04,860 --> 00:27:07,560
pictures of the garbage that we
left as we were leaving. Yeah,

513
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,220
seven night, seven night, stay
whatever left the garbage there,

514
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,980
and we'd go back there a month
later, the garbage. And I told

515
00:27:13,980 --> 00:27:16,860
the guys, I said, check it out.
It's the same, same garbage.

516
00:27:16,860 --> 00:27:17,760
That's horrible. You

517
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,920
guys aren't selling this very
well. It's

518
00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:24,380
like the comedian band house,
like, there's probably, like,

519
00:27:24,380 --> 00:27:28,880
Zanies might have, like, maybe,
like, a, you know, like, uh, a

520
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:30,140
comedian house. And

521
00:27:30,140 --> 00:27:32,780
they're never clean. They're
never Oh no, no, no. I stayed in

522
00:27:32,780 --> 00:27:35,660
like, old office buildings that
were converted into band houses.

523
00:27:35,660 --> 00:27:35,900
And

524
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,380
so when, you know, when you get
your gig with, you know, James

525
00:27:39,380 --> 00:27:43,240
Bond, you or Kevin sharp, well,
you're like, holy cow, this is

526
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,480
much better. Oh yeah, that story
gets good too. Okay. Well, we

527
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:46,660
like,

528
00:27:46,660 --> 00:27:49,540
well, it shaped your your
element for gratitude, yeah.

529
00:27:49,660 --> 00:27:52,720
Oh, absolutely. Because all
those gigs I was doing, all

530
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,720
those months like we were
loading in our gear, going up

531
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,720
and down in Canada, in the in
the winter time, going up and

532
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,980
down stairs with tough touring,
old butterfly PA systems and

533
00:28:01,980 --> 00:28:02,760
stuff like that.

534
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,420
But did you think to yourself,
Man, this is just how it is, I

535
00:28:06,420 --> 00:28:09,660
guess at that time, yeah.
Because what the hell would I

536
00:28:09,660 --> 00:28:12,060
get myself into? I dreamt of
Nashville. But since

537
00:28:12,120 --> 00:28:15,120
you're playing the bass and
you're gainfully employed, and

538
00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:18,060
obviously you're a likable
person, because you just kept

539
00:28:18,120 --> 00:28:18,720
getting gigs,

540
00:28:19,860 --> 00:28:23,480
yeah, gainfully employee. I was,
like, I said, making about 250

541
00:28:23,780 --> 00:28:24,080
to 300

542
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:28,040
bucks a week out there. So what
was the first Nashville gig you

543
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:28,400
got?

544
00:28:28,460 --> 00:28:31,460
Well, so after I came home from
that accident, stayed in, stayed

545
00:28:31,460 --> 00:28:34,280
in Moncton for a brief period,
went to college for a couple of

546
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,220
years. Oh, yeah, I met, I met a,
there was a jazz band playing in

547
00:28:37,220 --> 00:28:41,680
my town when I was off, and I
knew who the bass player was

548
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,680
that heard his name. His name
was skip back with he's passed

549
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:49,060
away a few years ago, but great,
great guy out of Halifax, and he

550
00:28:49,060 --> 00:28:51,880
was playing this jazz trio, so I
went down to see it. Jazz wasn't

551
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,360
my thing, but take it for a
walk, man, take it for a walk.

552
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,720
But he was so entertaining. He
was one of the cool cats of jazz

553
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:02,460
kind of thing. And he we struck
up a conversation. He says, What

554
00:29:02,460 --> 00:29:05,340
are you doing these days? And I
said, Really, nothing right now.

555
00:29:05,340 --> 00:29:07,620
And he goes, Why don't you come
to school? Says, I'm the bass

556
00:29:07,620 --> 00:29:10,560
prop there. I said, I wouldn't
be able to get in. He goes,

557
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:15,480
Well, you're 22 maybe at this
time. He goes, Uh, just he says,

558
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,360
we're playing tomorrow. Come see
me. Bring me a packet of

559
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,700
everything about you. And two
weeks later I was in I was going

560
00:29:22,700 --> 00:29:25,280
to college, got in there, got in
there. He well, he got me in

561
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,800
there. So were you like playing
in the big band and stuff? Well,

562
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:32,000
here's the thing, there was no
music when I went to elementary

563
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:36,020
school or high school, zero
music was given. So I had, I

564
00:29:36,020 --> 00:29:38,600
went in cold turkey. You're like
playing by pure feel your

565
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,760
instrument? Yeah. So when I got
there was a wake up call,

566
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,300
because all these kids were
coming out of different schools,

567
00:29:43,300 --> 00:29:46,180
from Nova, Scotia and Ontario
that were coming there for this

568
00:29:46,180 --> 00:29:49,480
jazz program. They had all
studied music. Some of these

569
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,080
kids were just ripping. I'm
like, What have I gotten myself

570
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:53,320
into?

571
00:29:53,860 --> 00:29:56,380
Well, he saw something, and you
invited you to the program.

572
00:29:56,380 --> 00:29:56,920
Yeah, he

573
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,180
liked me, and we became good
friends when we were there. And

574
00:30:00,180 --> 00:30:03,720
I got to meet, you know, I got
to be really close with a lot of

575
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,000
those guys. A lot of them have
gone on to be teachers and some

576
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,960
of them performers. But I did
two years. I was I signed up for

577
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,780
the four year program, but I
just did two years because I was

578
00:30:12,900 --> 00:30:17,940
still touring with different
bands and and then I worked with

579
00:30:17,940 --> 00:30:20,660
a few more bands out of Halifax,
worked with a blues band, and

580
00:30:20,660 --> 00:30:24,440
then I went worked with this
other artist from Halifax. And

581
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,160
then when I was working with the
arts from Halifax, we had done,

582
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:32,720
we were doing a telethon. It's a
schedule, yeah, get my Canadian

583
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:33,200
action. When

584
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,200
Joey was wearing his tux and,
you know, he wanted to be on

585
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,080
camera, don't you only say open
a boat already. Get that out of

586
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:40,480
the way. It's a dead giveaway.
So

587
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,960
who's Sorry, sorry, hey, but

588
00:30:44,500 --> 00:30:47,320
so we went to do this telethon,
but there was a few American

589
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,420
Acts there, yeah, so here's
where the names might come in,

590
00:30:49,420 --> 00:30:52,300
where you you'll recognize. So
one of the groups that were

591
00:30:52,300 --> 00:30:54,460
there were a group called the
McCarter sisters. Do you

592
00:30:54,460 --> 00:30:57,100
remember them at all? Yeah, of
course. So they were on this

593
00:30:57,100 --> 00:31:00,780
telethon, and the guy that was
kind of tour managing them at

594
00:31:00,780 --> 00:31:03,420
that day was guy named Kevin
Crampton. Do you remember that

595
00:31:03,420 --> 00:31:07,020
name at all? Drummer played with
Jody Messina when she just came

596
00:31:07,020 --> 00:31:11,160
out. Okay, so we got to talking
and stuff, and he said, planning

597
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,940
and coming to Nashville. I said,
I'd love to go there. I just, I

598
00:31:14,940 --> 00:31:17,340
just haven't gotten there yet.
So I said, Have you ever come

599
00:31:17,340 --> 00:31:19,680
down and give me a call? You
know, starting that kind of a

600
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,460
conversation. So I'm getting
home and I'm going, Okay, I

601
00:31:22,460 --> 00:31:25,460
gotta go. I gotta try to figure
out a way to get there. And I

602
00:31:25,460 --> 00:31:28,280
there was a friend of mine,
Derek Earl, who was a guitar

603
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,620
player I played with. Hadn't
seen him in a few years. Heard

604
00:31:30,620 --> 00:31:34,760
he was driving a truck. So I
called. I got a hold of him, and

605
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,940
I said, Derek, I said, caught up
for a while. I said, Here you go

606
00:31:37,940 --> 00:31:41,320
to Nashville. Sometimes he goes,
Well, I used to years ago. I

607
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,480
used to go through there all the
time. Says, My latest routes

608
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,760
I've been doing for the past
couple years I've been going. He

609
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,980
said, But if I ever do go back
through there, he says, You're

610
00:31:47,980 --> 00:31:50,560
welcome to come with me. I said,
I can do that. He goes, Well, I

611
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,320
own my own truck. He says, I can
take whoever I want, nice. I'd

612
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,920
love that. So hung up the phone.
Next couple of days, I got a

613
00:31:56,980 --> 00:31:59,320
good call from a good drummer
buddy of mine, and he was

614
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,980
playing in a country band I
really liked from my hometown,

615
00:32:01,980 --> 00:32:05,820
and he said, we're looking for a
bass player. So I took the job.

616
00:32:06,420 --> 00:32:07,680
That was in January of

617
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,940
1996 Yeah, and

618
00:32:11,940 --> 00:32:15,000
the band was breaking up around
September, October, it was

619
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,880
breaking up, and here I am
broke. I don't know what I'm

620
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,060
gonna do. And then the phone
breaks. It's November. Phone

621
00:32:21,060 --> 00:32:23,540
rings. It's Derek. He goes, Hey,
man, I got good news and bad

622
00:32:23,540 --> 00:32:26,420
news. Good news, I got a trip
coming up. I gotta take a load

623
00:32:26,420 --> 00:32:30,800
of moose head beer to Atlanta,
Georgia is then. I gotta go over

624
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:32,960
to Birmingham, pick up some
chicken wings, bring back to

625
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,500
Toronto. And when I go that way,
I'm going right 65 I didn't even

626
00:32:36,500 --> 00:32:39,920
know what 65 was. Going 65 right
through Nashville. I said,

627
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,640
Great. I said, Can I still go
with you? He goes, That's the

628
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,480
bad news. He says, I have to
leave in four hours. So I'm

629
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,120
like, and he lived an hour away
from me. Oh, no. So I'm like,

630
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,900
okay, get on the phone. I call
Kevin. I call those people. I

631
00:32:52,900 --> 00:32:55,960
just need a couch to stay on for
a couple weeks. This is a great

632
00:32:55,960 --> 00:33:02,640
story, and this I finally threw
a friend of a friend, one of the

633
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,100
most Patricia Conroy, you know,
Patricia? Yeah, I was gonna say,

634
00:33:05,100 --> 00:33:07,260
like, what are the country?
Yeah, she made a few phone calls

635
00:33:07,260 --> 00:33:10,860
for me. Found this girl who had
a condo down in Antioch, had

636
00:33:10,860 --> 00:33:13,200
four bedrooms, but they were all
taken. She goes, if you just

637
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,500
want to stay for a couple weeks,
you know, I'll just charge you

638
00:33:16,500 --> 00:33:19,680
50 bucks a week or something.
Just crash on the couch. Nice.

639
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,600
All right? So I'm like, Oh yeah,
okay, whatever. Yeah. So I said,

640
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,720
I'll call you back. So she calls
me 20 minutes later, says, Can I

641
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,240
give you some advice? She goes,
I can tell you're really unsure

642
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,940
and you're kind of nervous. She
goes, if I can tell you

643
00:33:31,940 --> 00:33:34,820
anything, she goes, if you don't
come right now, the way you're

644
00:33:34,820 --> 00:33:38,000
talking, she goes, you're never
coming here. And I said, that's

645
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,720
all I had to hear. That's great
advice. That was like, yeah. So

646
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:45,820
I, I packed a backpack, took one
crappy bass with me in the back

647
00:33:45,820 --> 00:33:49,780
of the truck, and, well, how did
that girl know about the music

648
00:33:49,780 --> 00:33:52,420
business and that thing of
coming or not coming? She, well,

649
00:33:52,420 --> 00:33:54,880
she was an aspiring singer at
the time because she owned

650
00:33:54,940 --> 00:33:58,660
condos, and all the people that
was staying in her condo, or,

651
00:33:58,660 --> 00:34:02,580
like, there was engineer guy.
There was a monitor guy, and the

652
00:34:02,580 --> 00:34:05,340
other girl, I think, worked at
Barbara orberson halfway house

653
00:34:05,340 --> 00:34:08,760
for me, up and coming musicians.
They were all, yeah, so I stayed

654
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,640
there for a couple weeks, and I
never went home. Oh, that's

655
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,940
great, man. And you, the thing
is, decision was made because

656
00:34:14,940 --> 00:34:19,560
you were your your balls were to
the wall. I mean, you had four

657
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,280
hours to do this or not? Yeah,

658
00:34:22,460 --> 00:34:25,040
call my brother. I said, Will
you drive me to a place what's

659
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:29,360
called Sussex in New Brunswick,
and pretty close to, well, not

660
00:34:29,420 --> 00:34:31,640
too close. Did you come with,
like, just your clothes on your

661
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,760
back? I just, I came with, like,
a week's worth of clothes, my

662
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,080
God, and a guitar.

663
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,780
They are a self made man. 25
years with Gary Allen. You're a

664
00:34:38,780 --> 00:34:42,400
homeowner. You're wearing a very
nice shirt. I mean, it's like

665
00:34:42,580 --> 00:34:44,860
those glasses don't look cheap.
I wasn't. I wasn't

666
00:34:44,860 --> 00:34:47,740
wearing this shirt. When I left
the house, my wife said, you

667
00:34:47,740 --> 00:34:49,120
need shirts. Were you

668
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,280
wearing a Carhartt shirt by
chance? No,

669
00:34:51,340 --> 00:34:54,820
not a car. Jim's got them in
every color. I recommend them

670
00:34:54,820 --> 00:34:57,460
highly. That's good. Rich loves
them. I mean, their their

671
00:34:57,460 --> 00:35:00,180
hoodies look very comfortable,
but they're almost too. That.

672
00:35:00,240 --> 00:35:00,780
Okay? They're

673
00:35:00,780 --> 00:35:04,200
very stylish. Now, yeah, tell
you. Tractor Supply is very

674
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,140
posh. I like it, yeah, man,
yeah. So

675
00:35:07,140 --> 00:35:11,400
what was the first job he got,
like, as far as like, like, was

676
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,800
Pam the first No, Kevin, that
Kevin. Kevin guy called me up.

677
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,380
Said, if you're in town, he
says, This is the first week I'm

678
00:35:16,380 --> 00:35:20,540
here. He says, I got a McCarthy,
got a gig in Oh, hi or

679
00:35:20,540 --> 00:35:23,360
something. Are you interested? I
said, Yeah, it's kind of a laid

680
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,680
back like, right up my alley
was, like an acoustic kind of

681
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:31,460
country, really soft country
stuff. And so I went up there,

682
00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:35,780
and on the gig, there was a
bluegrass musician named Chris

683
00:35:35,780 --> 00:35:38,840
Jones, Andy Hull on drums, Andy
Hall

684
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:43,840
on drums. Who? Andy Hall, our
last guest, Christopher Williams

685
00:35:43,900 --> 00:35:49,420
was ended up subbing for Andy on
the Lee Greenwood gig. Oh, that

686
00:35:49,420 --> 00:35:52,420
was his first opportunity in
Nashville, the drummer for

687
00:35:52,420 --> 00:35:55,900
except his first job in
Nashville, Lee Green was subbing

688
00:35:55,900 --> 00:35:59,740
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689
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692
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693
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694
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695
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696
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698
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699
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700
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704
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That's crazy. The world gets
smaller. How small it gets

705
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,040
because I heard a name on your
show earlier, but so

706
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,380
I had a second gig with them,
and

707
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,220
Chris Jones had asked me if I
wanted to join his bluegrass

708
00:37:08,220 --> 00:37:10,560
band. He was looking for
somebody to play bluegrass. And

709
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,500
I said, Yeah, I played bluegrass
when I was home. I'd love to do

710
00:37:13,500 --> 00:37:17,460
that. So he goes, I also I get
this part time job. He says, at

711
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:21,980
brugers Bagels. Yes, Erica. He
knows brugers Bagels. And I

712
00:37:21,980 --> 00:37:22,340
almost

713
00:37:22,340 --> 00:37:24,740
went today, did you really
almost? But I said, You know

714
00:37:24,740 --> 00:37:26,180
what? I don't need the bagel.
Well,

715
00:37:26,180 --> 00:37:29,900
I was given a piece of advice
from I think it was either John

716
00:37:29,900 --> 00:37:34,160
Colley or the or Colin Ray's
band. They'd come through my

717
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,080
hometown years before that.
Yeah. I said, Have you ever

718
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,540
moved if you ever moved to
Nashville? They said, swallow

719
00:37:38,540 --> 00:37:42,100
your pride. Get a decent day
job, yeah, and I did. I said,

720
00:37:42,460 --> 00:37:47,080
I'm not I'm not scared. I ain't
scared. So when Chris said, he

721
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,800
said, Not only does this guy pay
well for a bagel shop, he lets

722
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,740
you make your own hours. He
knows we're musicians, he lets

723
00:37:53,740 --> 00:37:56,740
you was it the one over there on
Franklin Road? That one? Yep,

724
00:37:56,740 --> 00:37:58,660
yeah, that's the one I was at
today.

725
00:37:58,720 --> 00:38:03,000
And as soon as I started that
job. They were like family

726
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,640
there, first of all. And then
Chris started a Thursday night,

727
00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:10,680
music night, mostly bluegrass,
but music night, but songwriter.

728
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,680
It started getting bigger. All
these big songwriters are coming

729
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:14,280
in. You're meeting

730
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,680
a lot of people at a lot of
people there, yeah,

731
00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:21,860
I think because I, because I'd
done 13 years in Canada, like

732
00:38:21,860 --> 00:38:23,300
just non stop. I,

733
00:38:24,980 --> 00:38:27,920
I wasn't. I never played on
Broadway.

734
00:38:28,460 --> 00:38:30,860
He still to this day, you never
went down there. Only time I

735
00:38:30,860 --> 00:38:31,580
played Broadway is

736
00:38:31,580 --> 00:38:35,000
with Gary. Did a couple shows
with Gary, and I wasn't. I'm not

737
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,480
saying that in a bad way. I went
down there to meet people and

738
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,400
stuff, but I thought, I'm gonna,
I'm gonna try to do the day job

739
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:46,480
thing and work on the road. And
so far, it's worked out, you

740
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:47,800
know, yeah, well, I'm telling

741
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:53,080
you what. It's an amazing story.
What is happening down there on

742
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,560
lower Broadway, crazy. I went
there like, three weeks ago to

743
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,200
show some out of towners. They
all want to go down there. Of

744
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:03,420
course, we got that, like, you
know, Japanese style, um, six

745
00:39:03,420 --> 00:39:06,600
way walk, yeah, corner there.
Like, you know what? I mean,

746
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:07,740
it's like, people like, Well,

747
00:39:07,740 --> 00:39:10,440
that wasn't a similar when I
moved here, yeah, I wouldn't

748
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:15,180
have made a it was, it was like,
think Jim from Rascal Flatts,

749
00:39:15,180 --> 00:39:17,280
Jim Riley. He's like, a ghost
town down there. When I moved

750
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,980
here, there was four or five
bars. Maybe it was ghosted.

751
00:39:19,980 --> 00:39:23,600
Now we have, like, bars or
whatever insane, but the bands

752
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:27,140
down there, they're like, it's
all technology. It's like, it's

753
00:39:27,140 --> 00:39:31,640
like tracks and rolling kits and
iPads and in air monitors, and

754
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:35,480
everyone's got this curated
playlist, and that includes 90s,

755
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:40,480
2000s rock and roll. Yeah, yeah.
And if it's really the only

756
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:44,620
country to really be just on
that corner is laylas and

757
00:39:44,620 --> 00:39:47,200
Roberts. Yeah, right on that
corner. Maybe a little at

758
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:51,580
Legends. But even still, it's
like, wow, yeah, I rarely go

759
00:39:51,580 --> 00:39:54,640
down there, the metal band down
there that they have to play the

760
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:58,900
90s playbook. So we're talking
like, Pearl Jam, sound garden,

761
00:39:58,900 --> 00:40:02,880
like all the stuff. And they did
it incredibly well. So what they

762
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,040
do is they had a book, they had
a songbook, so they're playing

763
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,380
whatever they want. And then the
tourists come up and they're

764
00:40:07,380 --> 00:40:10,020
like, Hey, do you guys know such
and such? And they go, these are

765
00:40:10,020 --> 00:40:12,660
the songs we know. So it's
almost like a menu. And then

766
00:40:12,660 --> 00:40:16,800
besides each song, there was the
price to perform the song. Are

767
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:22,160
you $20 $40 $60 so you could
pay, wow, paid to request a song

768
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:23,420
a human jukebox.

769
00:40:24,380 --> 00:40:28,400
You ever see the band that does
karaoke, live karaoke? Sure you

770
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:32,180
seen that. We saw that at Mercy
lounge when we first moved here.

771
00:40:32,180 --> 00:40:35,540
Yeah, yeah. And I always brought
this guy up that loves singing,

772
00:40:35,540 --> 00:40:38,180
like Bruce Dickinson from Iron
Maiden, yeah? And he had a

773
00:40:38,180 --> 00:40:43,240
wandering eye, like a lazy eye,
oh yeah. He'd have, like, you

774
00:40:44,380 --> 00:40:46,960
know, that kind of Yeah, but his
eye would be like, chameleon

775
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:47,800
hunting and fishing.

776
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:50,980
I love chameleons,

777
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:53,860
not as much as octopus.

778
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,300
It's hunting and fishing. That
eye

779
00:40:58,780 --> 00:41:02,760
that's horrible. Is he looking
at me. Maybe he is.

780
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,480
I mean, I mean, I was in the
SPAS Maddox. And, I mean, if the

781
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,180
spasmatics, well, they still
exist. But, man, if they, if the

782
00:41:09,180 --> 00:41:11,520
SPAS Maddox would play down on
lower Broadway, I don't think

783
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,920
they do it. They do mostly
privates, and then they have,

784
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,640
like, a weekly somewhere that
they pack out, but they would

785
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,800
crush it down Well,

786
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,600
I mean, Steel Panther has to
come and play downtown. They've

787
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:24,260
never done that. I

788
00:41:25,340 --> 00:41:28,160
see a hell of a show. Well, they
would probably play the Ryman or

789
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:29,180
assembly food hall. I don't

790
00:41:29,180 --> 00:41:32,420
think they'd play some. I saw
the marathon. Music Works, yeah?

791
00:41:32,420 --> 00:41:33,200
So that's more their

792
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,020
venue. That's where I saw them,
yeah, East Side bowl when? Well,

793
00:41:36,020 --> 00:41:38,360
you know, we had Eric Pritchard
on, you know, and he's the

794
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,720
drummer for Megan Maroney. And
it turns out, like I met this

795
00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:43,900
kid at at the Atlantic drum
collective, like, when he was,

796
00:41:43,900 --> 00:41:47,920
like, 12 years old or something,
and now he's Megan Maroney, is

797
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,380
band leader, and they're
playing. There's this brand new

798
00:41:50,380 --> 00:41:53,980
venue in town called the
pinnacle, and it's, I'm excited.

799
00:41:53,980 --> 00:41:58,180
They're playing on April 8 and
ninth, or ninth and 10th, and

800
00:41:58,660 --> 00:42:01,860
hopefully I'm gonna go see the
kid play. You know? Yeah, pretty

801
00:42:01,860 --> 00:42:02,340
crazy. He's

802
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,160
been on your show, yeah? Okay,
sat right there.

803
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,780
It's crazy. Commit right now.
And so he's gonna see him. No,

804
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,420
I am. I think it's gonna happen.
I think he's gonna hopefully. I

805
00:42:12,420 --> 00:42:17,820
think he's gonna come through
for his his old friend. But you

806
00:42:17,820 --> 00:42:21,140
know how it is, it's not every
band gets as many tickets as

807
00:42:21,140 --> 00:42:24,200
they want. Like, I get away with
murder. I have a lot of people

808
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,680
come see our shows. He's like, I
gotta check with my tour manager

809
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,200
and all that. You know, I like,
I'm like, kid, I get it. Kid,

810
00:42:30,500 --> 00:42:30,920
yeah,

811
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,700
I get, oh yeah, we get, we get
the stick with that, yeah, if I

812
00:42:34,940 --> 00:42:37,280
been a long time since I've
asked anybody, but it's like, I

813
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,100
know the deal. Yeah. Say No, I
don't care.

814
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,880
But you know, you got to ask,
yeah, Ask,

815
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,860
and you shall receive. You know
what? I mean, it's like, you

816
00:42:44,860 --> 00:42:45,820
know, not always,

817
00:42:46,420 --> 00:42:48,880
yeah, but every time I ask you,
I give you the out.

818
00:42:50,380 --> 00:42:52,120
Well, except when you know I
need drum gear.

819
00:42:52,180 --> 00:42:54,100
I think the, I mean, you're, I
mean, you're gonna come see us

820
00:42:54,100 --> 00:42:57,640
this year in Michigan, that was
at Pine at Pine knob for four

821
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,160
tickets, buddy. We've got two,
we've got two nights at Pine

822
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:00,540
knob, the

823
00:43:00,540 --> 00:43:05,820
full service next stage, on
stage greets, hang out in the

824
00:43:06,540 --> 00:43:08,160
Zen room. Use everybody. Just

825
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:09,300
don't Dick my drums. Okay,

826
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,600
don't Dick my drums. Dick, you
know, like in, like in a step

827
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,580
brothers, don't put your balls
in my drums. Yeah,

828
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,280
one day you just got upset about
that, once it's not gonna

829
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,860
happen. Okay, I haven't even got
the famine, have I talking too

830
00:43:24,860 --> 00:43:25,160
much?

831
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:31,400
How does, how do you get from
crashing for $50 a week to

832
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,000
working with all these artists?
So, yeah, you're at the fort.

833
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,460
Where am I? Oh, yeah. So, so the
McCarthy sisters, yes.

834
00:43:37,460 --> 00:43:41,740
So the way I got the James Bond
Andy Hall. Andy hole. See, he

835
00:43:41,740 --> 00:43:46,420
was playing with, he was playing
with, what Andy Hall's son? I'm

836
00:43:46,420 --> 00:43:48,700
gonna rewind a little bit,
because there's a name I forgot

837
00:43:48,700 --> 00:43:52,120
to throw out. Yeah, I heard on.
Here's George Lawrence. George

838
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,960
Lawrence, I were you first guy I
met the first week I was here. I

839
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:59,200
don't remember how I met him.
Super. He says, Why don't you

840
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,880
come out with me meet some
people, I said, so he took me

841
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,420
down to you'll remember the name
of this. So demumbrian, yep. At

842
00:44:06,420 --> 00:44:09,540
the end of the street there was
a bar. Right at the very end was

843
00:44:09,540 --> 00:44:13,620
a country bar, yep, and Mike
Kennedy was in the band, yes,

844
00:44:13,620 --> 00:44:17,400
16th Avenue, something like
that. Hey. He took me. I said,

845
00:44:17,460 --> 00:44:20,180
this is cool, because it
reminded me of home, as all the

846
00:44:20,180 --> 00:44:23,420
country got all the musicians
are hanging and jamming and

847
00:44:23,420 --> 00:44:25,760
playing. That's where I first
heard Keith horn play. And I'm

848
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:30,980
like, again, what? What is
happening? Yeah, yeah, but, but

849
00:44:30,980 --> 00:44:33,800
it didn't last very much longer
anyway. So I hang out with

850
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,020
George for a little while, and
he goes, you've already got a

851
00:44:36,020 --> 00:44:38,300
gig. I was doing the McCarthy
thing, whatever it was, just,

852
00:44:38,300 --> 00:44:40,480
you know, just a couple of
shows. But then Andy Hall had

853
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,820
started playing with James
bottom me, and they were looking

854
00:44:42,820 --> 00:44:45,280
for a bass player. He said, call
this guy. I did a couple gigs

855
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:49,060
with him, nice and Andy was
super cool to me because I still

856
00:44:49,060 --> 00:44:52,480
didn't have a car in town. I was
still new in town, no money, and

857
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,000
Andy would come pick me up for
bus call and all that kind of

858
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:59,620
stuff. The first the first gig I
had with Bonnie, I drove to

859
00:44:59,620 --> 00:45:02,280
opera. Mine to meet the bus, and
it's gonna be my first time on a

860
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,560
tour bus. I'd never been on a
tour bus. Yeah, and I'm waiting

861
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,720
there in the parking lot,
waiting and waiting. And I don't

862
00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:09,840
know if you remember there was a
club downtown, the happy

863
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,180
something, and they had, they
had a Partridge Family bus. Do

864
00:45:12,180 --> 00:45:15,600
you remember that the happy Have
A Nice Day Cafe, have a nice day

865
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,600
Cafe, and they had a Partridge
Family bus? Do you remember that

866
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:22,640
bus? And just ironically, the
timing, that thing pulls around

867
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,640
the corner, and I'm like, that's
not about You're kidding me. And

868
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,520
then all of a sudden, you know,
the privos comes behind. Was a

869
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:32,540
Silver Eagle, actually, that
time. But, yeah, what a great

870
00:45:32,540 --> 00:45:35,360
band. That was a great band.
Good bunch of guys. Bonham was

871
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:40,660
great. So played with him for
about a year, and then did about

872
00:45:40,660 --> 00:45:43,600
a two year stint with Kevin
sharp, yeah, Kevin sharp. Now,

873
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,360
Kevin passed, right? Kevin
passed a few years ago. Yeah,

874
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,620
yeah. I never got the full story
from the guys yet, but,

875
00:45:52,540 --> 00:45:55,180
and then after sharp, that was
Lee Turner, right

876
00:45:55,180 --> 00:45:58,960
to Lee Turner, yeah, who's with
Darius now, yeah, yeah, he's,

877
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,680
he's still there. He was, he was
the band leader when I was

878
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:06,660
Kevin, yeah. So then after the
Kevin sharp thing was done, I

879
00:46:06,660 --> 00:46:09,840
was sitting at home, back at
brugers, just filling in some

880
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:14,400
time, yeah, and I get a phone
call from Did you ever work with

881
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:18,180
Brian hinge cliff, yeah, you
know he had passed a few years

882
00:46:18,180 --> 00:46:21,380
ago. He passed, but he called me
up. He says, Brian, Brian.

883
00:46:21,380 --> 00:46:24,920
Brian. He says, I double booked
myself. Can you cover for me? I

884
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:28,700
said, Yeah. What? Yeah, it's one
gig. I'll do it for you. It was

885
00:46:28,700 --> 00:46:32,300
with clay Davidson, yeah. Big
guy, big, big guy, kind of

886
00:46:32,300 --> 00:46:35,120
Southern, trying to bring back
the kind of like outlaw vibe.

887
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:38,360
Great. Singer, yes, powerhouse
singer. And so I learned, I

888
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,600
learned the show they were, they
were going to be opening up for

889
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,660
Mark chestnut down in Biloxi,
Mississippi, yeah. So I learned

890
00:46:43,660 --> 00:46:46,660
the show Brian was off to do.
I'll catch him or somebody, or

891
00:46:46,660 --> 00:46:50,140
the kinleys or something. So I
go do this gig. And on the gig,

892
00:46:50,140 --> 00:46:53,620
I knew the guy, some of the guys
from chestnuts band, and they

893
00:46:53,620 --> 00:46:59,500
said, This is all after Pam. I'm
losing my timeline. That's all

894
00:46:59,500 --> 00:47:03,360
right, yeah. Because after after
sharp is when the PAM thing came

895
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,540
in. I got the phone call to go
audition for PAM, yeah, and I

896
00:47:06,540 --> 00:47:09,360
was and I thought, I'm not gonna
get this gig. I said, just,

897
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,480
well, I just want to go say I
did it. No, that's all. So I

898
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,300
went to work that day brugers,
because my my audition was a

899
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,780
five or six at night, and I went
to work and I left the same work

900
00:47:18,780 --> 00:47:24,800
clothes on bagel doe all over
me. And I walked in there, and

901
00:47:24,860 --> 00:47:27,680
because I was last, she had to
go. And we criss crossed each

902
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,080
other. She goes, You must be
Brian. And I said, I am. She

903
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:33,500
goes, I gotta go. She's but
they're recording you and

904
00:47:33,500 --> 00:47:35,720
everything. I'm gonna hear it
later on. I said, No, just good

905
00:47:35,720 --> 00:47:40,100
luck in there. So I go in, and
what a killer band. Kevin Adams,

906
00:47:40,460 --> 00:47:45,760
Kevin James Pennebaker, James
Penn guitar, Mike toppins, Mike

907
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,700
Topps, we didn't have Lana yet.
Chicken, chicken, calm, chicken.

908
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:48,880
Yeah,

909
00:47:49,240 --> 00:47:52,360
most, most steel players in
Nashville gym, they have to have

910
00:47:52,720 --> 00:47:58,480
a nickname that is part of the
barnyard animal family. Steel

911
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,740
players only, yeah, glass. Steel
players, yeah, they got they,

912
00:48:01,740 --> 00:48:02,700
they have nicknames.

913
00:48:03,060 --> 00:48:05,280
They'll they'll tell you they're
a different breed, chicken,

914
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:06,720
steel players, moose, yeah,

915
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:10,260
pig. What's your player to play
other instruments, though, if

916
00:48:10,260 --> 00:48:11,640
they really wanted to, of
course,

917
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,100
like, well, like our steel
player can play a little bit of

918
00:48:14,100 --> 00:48:18,720
banjo, acoustic guitar, bass,
same as ours. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

919
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:20,100
yeah, yeah. Man,

920
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:23,480
now with drummers, and drummers
get the brunt of jokes and stuff

921
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:27,200
like that. Oh, I'm getting to
that. Well, I mean, bass players

922
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,960
do too. Oh, yeah, you know,
because if you look at the chart

923
00:48:30,260 --> 00:48:35,240
of girls to people in the band
ratio, you know, typically, the

924
00:48:35,240 --> 00:48:40,100
singers got two girls in each
arm. Tar players got a girl on

925
00:48:40,100 --> 00:48:43,420
each arm, one girl. Drummers got
one girl on an arm, and bass

926
00:48:43,420 --> 00:48:44,320
players by himself.

927
00:48:50,140 --> 00:48:56,140
It really depends on who makes
the chart. It could be made by,

928
00:48:56,140 --> 00:48:58,420
you know? It could be made by a
doesn't

929
00:48:58,420 --> 00:49:00,780
the the drummer leave with the
girl in the song Rosie by

930
00:49:00,780 --> 00:49:02,040
Jackson Brown. You familiar

931
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,440
with that song? I'm not familiar
with that song. But also, like,

932
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:06,660
I mean, look at, you know, Neil
Young, Cinnamon Girl, the

933
00:49:06,660 --> 00:49:10,020
drummer waits for his girl.
She's a Cinnamon Girl, you

934
00:49:10,020 --> 00:49:12,120
know? Yeah, we're one girl.
People.

935
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:15,060
Did you guys watch the Bob Dylan
movie? The I started, I

936
00:49:15,060 --> 00:49:19,260
started a show me. I started
last night. Yeah? And the

937
00:49:19,260 --> 00:49:22,640
internet kept going in and out,
in and out. So not impressed. I

938
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,280
finally got, I finally got upset
and said, I'm gonna finish. Got

939
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,020
halfway through. You were
impressed the movie,

940
00:49:27,020 --> 00:49:29,600
yeah. Well, what about his
acting? It's a hard role to

941
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:31,940
tackle, and he passed. He's
probably filming the dune movies

942
00:49:31,940 --> 00:49:32,960
while he was doing it.

943
00:49:35,060 --> 00:49:37,340
The guy, yeah? Charlotte
Charlamagne,

944
00:49:37,460 --> 00:49:39,860
oh. Timothy, yeah, that's right.
Chalamet galamet,

945
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:44,200
yeah. I was, you know, I was
never a big Dylan fan the

946
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:44,620
beginning,

947
00:49:44,980 --> 00:49:48,100
you know. I mean, it's like,
it's poetry, you know. But I

948
00:49:48,100 --> 00:49:51,040
mean, it's interesting to see
with like Pete Seeger and those

949
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:54,580
other guys. They were passing
the baton, and they were, you

950
00:49:54,580 --> 00:49:57,700
know, they were like, This is
the new, this is the new.

951
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,480
Learn the history what went on.
I was never a big. Bob Dylan

952
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:04,440
today. So I thought, I'm, I want
to learn as much as I can, like

953
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,540
I didn't know that about much
about John Baez,

954
00:50:06,660 --> 00:50:10,380
yeah. They had a little tour of
love of Yeah, yeah. He

955
00:50:10,380 --> 00:50:15,120
was, we saw them in Hartford,
probably in the late 90s. He was

956
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:15,960
opening up for

957
00:50:18,720 --> 00:50:19,680
Steel Panther. Anyways.

958
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,740
Paul Simon, okay, yeah, yeah,
that guy's okay. And Paul Simon

959
00:50:24,740 --> 00:50:29,120
was headlining, had gad on
drums. Oh yeah, Gad. But it was

960
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:33,260
literally like, when's he done
this? It was

961
00:50:35,300 --> 00:50:39,980
a scene. Bob Zimmerman, that's
when I saw, I guarantee

962
00:50:39,980 --> 00:50:41,440
it, Gordon life, I

963
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:44,080
saw Gordon life, he also

964
00:50:45,700 --> 00:50:49,360
runs the Men's Warehouse. Okay,
okay. How's it go again? Yeah,

965
00:50:50,260 --> 00:50:51,280
I guarantee it.

966
00:50:52,720 --> 00:50:55,060
Hey, man, Men's Warehouse has
gotten my money. They've

967
00:50:55,180 --> 00:50:59,740
China, yeah, you were calling me
Nordstrom, right? Nordstrom

968
00:50:59,740 --> 00:51:00,540
Rack, right from rack,

969
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:02,760
yeah, man, I love sifting
through that stuff, because

970
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:05,940
you're like, oh my god, All
Saints for a third off. Sign me

971
00:51:05,940 --> 00:51:09,720
up. Then you have to wait on
that exorbitantly long line that

972
00:51:09,720 --> 00:51:12,360
they're trying to get you to,
like, buy candles and popcorn as

973
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:12,840
you're leaving.

974
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:16,020
Yeah? Food, yeah, all the
impulse items, yeah, yeah, yeah.

975
00:51:16,020 --> 00:51:17,760
Sorry, buddy interrupted. That's
so rude.

976
00:51:18,660 --> 00:51:18,900
So

977
00:51:18,900 --> 00:51:22,040
we're at the PAM story, right?
So, yeah. So I got the call for

978
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:25,820
the PAM thing. I got the call
actually the day my grandfather

979
00:51:25,820 --> 00:51:30,080
passed away, Pennebaker called
me, I'm sorry, and he said I was

980
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,480
in Best Buy. I had to pick up
something Best Buy. He goes, Oh,

981
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:36,140
you got the gig. I said, I got
the gig like, and I didn't come

982
00:51:36,140 --> 00:51:40,160
really prepared for that gig.
But he said, No, you got the

983
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,580
gig. They liked your sound. They
liked all this whatever. And I

984
00:51:42,580 --> 00:51:45,160
said, Here's, I'm gonna give you
the name and number of the

985
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:50,560
drummer, rich Redmond. They say
it like that. Probably he would

986
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:55,240
have said it like rich Redmond,
yes. Sorry, James, yeah. But

987
00:51:55,780 --> 00:51:58,780
actually, Larry and Jeff
Armstrong I work with, yeah,

988
00:51:58,780 --> 00:52:01,620
they've worked long time with
James. So small world. But yeah,

989
00:52:01,620 --> 00:52:04,980
he said, I'm gonna give you the
number so you can call him if

990
00:52:04,980 --> 00:52:07,380
you guys want to get together
before the rehearsals. And I

991
00:52:07,380 --> 00:52:09,840
think I walked out the door and
you were already calling me. I

992
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,740
had the old Nakia phone with the
antenna. Hold up the antenna and

993
00:52:13,740 --> 00:52:16,260
you flip it. He used to make fun
of me about that. Well, it's

994
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:17,700
amazing. At least you knew when

995
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,160
you hung up the phone it was you
hung up the phone.

996
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:22,460
Did he say? Oh, that a new
phone.

997
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,720
He goes, dude, you need Rich is
like, we're having lunch one day

998
00:52:26,720 --> 00:52:29,840
downtown. He's, like, you need a
new phone, and we gotta fix some

999
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:34,760
new glasses too. Remember, you
had these little, little black

1000
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:38,000
glasses. They were like this,
then, oh, what? Who the heck am

1001
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:38,840
I to give advice

1002
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,800
back then, gee, you're still
rocking the VO five moment at

1003
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:43,720
that point. No, I What kind

1004
00:52:43,720 --> 00:52:46,300
of haircut that I had back then.
It's probably just short. It's

1005
00:52:46,300 --> 00:52:47,680
really, really, really short,
short and

1006
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:49,720
Spike, yeah, yeah. Because when
I met you, you were, you were

1007
00:52:49,720 --> 00:52:51,640
doing the red Mohawk faux hawk,

1008
00:52:51,820 --> 00:52:54,580
yeah. Man, I've had purple and
all that. So they used to make

1009
00:52:54,580 --> 00:52:58,240
the like a gel, like, like a
product, but it was colored so

1010
00:52:58,240 --> 00:53:01,620
you could change the color of
your your tips every, every day,

1011
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:03,180
red, purple. I don't think

1012
00:53:03,180 --> 00:53:06,300
you're doing that when I was
there. No, I don't think so. I

1013
00:53:06,300 --> 00:53:09,000
remember those glasses, because
I said, Okay, where do I get

1014
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,060
those? He said, I just got them
a couple months ago. He says

1015
00:53:12,060 --> 00:53:14,160
they, they cost me 1200

1016
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:17,220
bucks. I said, 12.

1017
00:53:18,060 --> 00:53:22,460
It was a piece I went to the
overpriced it's right next to

1018
00:53:22,460 --> 00:53:26,420
the record store image optical
on West End. Yes, it was the

1019
00:53:26,420 --> 00:53:31,880
most pricey bougie optical place
in Nashville. And of course, the

1020
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,400
sales lady was probably really
cute, and she was like, Well,

1021
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:36,860
you know, we have a, you know,
we have a program you could pay

1022
00:53:36,860 --> 00:53:39,140
them off or, like, you know,
it's called layaway.

1023
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:41,660
Yeah, I walked in there after
you told me that, like, a few

1024
00:53:41,660 --> 00:53:43,660
weeks later, said, I'm gonna go
down. Gonna go down there check

1025
00:53:43,660 --> 00:53:46,780
out some frames. I walked in and
there's one lady. She was busy

1026
00:53:46,780 --> 00:53:50,380
with somebody, and as she's
walking by me, she says, she

1027
00:53:50,380 --> 00:53:53,980
goes, I'll be with you in one
second. And she pulled a pair of

1028
00:53:53,980 --> 00:53:56,620
glasses off and stuck them on my
face. Those look great on you.

1029
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,500
She kept walking like she just
picked a pair. Didn't even look

1030
00:53:59,500 --> 00:54:04,080
at them. Those look great on
you? Hard courses where rich

1031
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:04,500
buys,

1032
00:54:04,980 --> 00:54:08,340
yeah, I don't think I would pay
$1,200 for glasses. I because

1033
00:54:08,340 --> 00:54:11,160
after that I started probably
going to like, lens crafters or

1034
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:12,360
something like that. Yeah,

1035
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:16,500
Costco, yeah, Costco, yeah. I'm
Tractor Supply. You can't get

1036
00:54:16,500 --> 00:54:17,700
glasses of Tractor Supply.

1037
00:54:17,700 --> 00:54:18,660
Love Costco. So we

1038
00:54:18,660 --> 00:54:21,260
had time. We had fun, man. We
played the wolf den. We played

1039
00:54:21,260 --> 00:54:22,520
some big festivals.

1040
00:54:22,580 --> 00:54:28,700
We got together, and you're at
your bedroom, and we Yeah, hey,

1041
00:54:28,700 --> 00:54:32,420
now rephrase that, yeah, but you
were living with Curt and Tully,

1042
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:36,320
Yep, yeah, in Yeah.

1043
00:54:38,540 --> 00:54:40,160
Require this kind of music.

1044
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:46,180
We lived on. We lived on 3309,
quail run court in Donaldson,

1045
00:54:46,180 --> 00:54:48,160
tech, Donaldson, Tennessee, your

1046
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:51,460
neighbors own the sitar, right?
Restaurant. The next door

1047
00:54:51,460 --> 00:54:54,580
neighbors own sitar. Yeah, I
remember that, yeah. So what you

1048
00:54:54,580 --> 00:54:55,300
do in the bedroom?

1049
00:54:56,500 --> 00:54:57,880
We worked on the music.

1050
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,080
Grab that cheer. It's. And this
is an old trope,

1051
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,800
grab your pens, little bit of
paper.

1052
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:09,000
Oh no, no good. And we're not
digging this. I know it's good.

1053
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:12,900
I remember we used to do this,
um, in episode one through 25 of

1054
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:15,900
the rich Redmond show. It's hard
to bring it back and bring it

1055
00:55:15,900 --> 00:55:18,000
back in the year two in the year
2020

1056
00:55:20,100 --> 00:55:23,780
was 2000 and we worked on me,
Vita loca and shake the sugar

1057
00:55:23,780 --> 00:55:24,560
tree. And then, you know,

1058
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:28,160
we played the opry a bit. Played
the

1059
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,800
opry a lot, because that was the
year she was being inducted, and

1060
00:55:30,860 --> 00:55:31,340
remembered

1061
00:55:31,340 --> 00:55:34,760
Vince Gill jumped up on stage
with us, and we worked on the

1062
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:37,040
song backs backstage.

1063
00:55:37,340 --> 00:55:39,800
I really like that. Was a new
album. She thunder

1064
00:55:40,340 --> 00:55:41,680
and roses. Thunder and Rose.

1065
00:55:43,300 --> 00:55:47,920
Really good. And, yeah, he came
out, and I was still, I'm a huge

1066
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,440
Vince fan. And yeah, here he was
coming, came in the back

1067
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:53,380
dressing room to rehearse once
with us. Yeah, came out on

1068
00:55:53,380 --> 00:55:55,840
stage. We did that. And we did
a, yeah, we did a lot of this,

1069
00:55:55,900 --> 00:55:56,620
like a bird

1070
00:55:56,620 --> 00:56:00,900
dude. So now he's a, he's like,
a, he's like, doing Glenn fries

1071
00:56:00,900 --> 00:56:03,540
part, I believe in the Eagles.
And they're playing, they're

1072
00:56:03,540 --> 00:56:07,500
doing a residency at the what's
the thing in Vegas, though?

1073
00:56:07,860 --> 00:56:10,920
Sphere? Oh, they're doing
sphere. So is Kenny Chesney.

1074
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,380
They're doing a run at the
sphere. That'll be you two. Was

1075
00:56:13,380 --> 00:56:15,480
doing that? No, it's been,
YouTube's been doing it.

1076
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:19,740
Nick booth is playing, yeah,
okay, lucky to

1077
00:56:19,740 --> 00:56:22,400
do the sphere. Hopefully we'll
do it at some point. I mean, I

1078
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,040
think it's going to become more
and more common for the for

1079
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:28,220
bands to do it, but they're
just, you know, getting the

1080
00:56:28,220 --> 00:56:32,720
creme de la creme bands like, I
mean, the Eagles, you too.

1081
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:37,220
Green Hill, dead, wow, yeah,
man, yeah, yeah. Well,

1082
00:56:37,220 --> 00:56:39,860
we had a blast. But then how
does the thing with Gary Allen

1083
00:56:39,860 --> 00:56:41,080
happen? It was so after, right?

1084
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:44,980
So soon after, Pam, that's when
hinge Cliff called me, yeah, and

1085
00:56:44,980 --> 00:56:47,740
said, Can you cover for this
gig? And I said, I said, that's

1086
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,800
one gig. It's a lot of lot of
stuff to learn. I said, but I'm

1087
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:55,180
not doing anything. Of course, I
wanted to help him out, so I got

1088
00:56:55,180 --> 00:56:59,860
on the bus with those guys, and
I was they all went to the back

1089
00:56:59,860 --> 00:57:02,020
of the bus. I stay up at the
front to keep working on the

1090
00:57:02,020 --> 00:57:04,860
material we do the gig in
Biloxi, Mississippi. I knew a

1091
00:57:04,860 --> 00:57:07,260
couple of guys in chestnuts
band, and they came up to me and

1092
00:57:07,260 --> 00:57:09,840
said, Are you not with Pam
anymore? And I said, No, I'm not

1093
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:14,100
with Pam anymore. They said. And
then the bass player, Steve

1094
00:57:14,100 --> 00:57:17,940
Ledford, Steve led for Steve,
yeah, man. He says, Uh. He says,

1095
00:57:17,940 --> 00:57:20,840
I think Gary Allen's auditioning
in like, a couple of days, and I

1096
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:24,020
said, Oh, okay, because I kind
of know them. He says, You want

1097
00:57:24,020 --> 00:57:27,380
me to make a phone call? I said,
Sure, yeah. So he went and he

1098
00:57:27,380 --> 00:57:30,020
called, he came back, he goes,
they said they're full, or

1099
00:57:30,020 --> 00:57:33,560
they're this was a Saturday.
They were auditioning. On

1100
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:36,080
Monday, said they're full, but
because I called, he said

1101
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:37,220
they're going to take one more

1102
00:57:37,220 --> 00:57:40,900
nice that was me Steve led for
was always really so good man

1103
00:57:40,900 --> 00:57:43,540
about town, that was always like
trying to hook people up with

1104
00:57:43,540 --> 00:57:46,600
super good auditions. Isn't it
funny now that that 20 years

1105
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:49,840
later, there are no auditions,
it's mostly like people call

1106
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:52,840
people and they go, you're
perfect for this. Are you

1107
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:56,380
available? Yeah, there's a
rehearsal, and if you don't cut

1108
00:57:56,380 --> 00:57:58,660
the rehearsal, you're out. But
most people are just the

1109
00:57:58,660 --> 00:58:01,320
professionalism is you know that
you're gonna have to know the

1110
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:01,800
material.

1111
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:04,800
Knows when I play with when I
went out to audition for Bonnie,

1112
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,680
they took me right on the road.
There's a few before me. It was

1113
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:10,200
right out on the road, which I
thought was strange. Was like,

1114
00:58:10,860 --> 00:58:13,800
what if you don't do the first
night, and you still got two

1115
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:17,880
more nights to go? You know
what? I mean? Yeah, but sharp, I

1116
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:21,560
had to audition for. Am I
auditioned for? But we still do

1117
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:24,920
auditions. I guess mostly it's
more like just to meet the

1118
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:28,460
person I when I call them up, I
say, I know you can play, I know

1119
00:58:28,460 --> 00:58:32,240
you're you know through I just
know you can play us the band

1120
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:35,360
leader for Gary, but we want to
meet you. We will play a couple

1121
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:37,460
of tunes, whatever, but we're
going to go hang on the bus

1122
00:58:37,460 --> 00:58:40,360
after and we're going to get to
know you. Yeah, because that's

1123
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:42,880
to us, the most important part,
what are you going to be like on

1124
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:43,600
the bus? On the bus?

1125
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:46,840
Because that's the 23 hours. You
know, the 24th hours is an

1126
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:50,740
expectation. But another small
worldishness thing, and

1127
00:58:50,740 --> 00:58:55,900
something that we have in common
is that in before I got the odd

1128
00:58:56,620 --> 00:58:59,920
four, I think I even moved to
Nashville, or right after, I did

1129
00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:04,080
audition for Gary Allen, I think
you told me over at the woodshed

1130
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:06,900
in East Nashville, which is
probably like a Bougie

1131
00:59:06,900 --> 00:59:08,160
restaurant. Now, is

1132
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:11,040
that that two story building?
Okay, that's where I edition for

1133
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:12,000
Kevin sharp,

1134
00:59:12,060 --> 00:59:16,980
yes, and I and it was, what was
Gary's record? Chrome plated

1135
00:59:16,980 --> 00:59:20,600
hard or broken hard something
was early on. Well, the first

1136
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,060
one was used hard for sale. Used
her for sale. So that was his

1137
00:59:23,060 --> 00:59:27,260
traditional first record. I'm
auditioning. I'm like, I think

1138
00:59:27,260 --> 00:59:31,880
my friend Craig flew in from,
you know, Los Angeles. I saw

1139
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:35,120
some familiar faces auditioning.
Lee Kelly got the job. Oh,

1140
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,880
Lee got that job. He was the
drummer when I when I started.

1141
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:40,480
So I went, went in for my
audition. Lee was the drummer.

1142
00:59:40,780 --> 00:59:45,280
Super nice to me, yeah, just, I
got the jam with him. Gary was

1143
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:47,920
doing some benefit for what's
the guy that Lee plays with

1144
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,920
named Kendall? Some Kendall, he
wrote right where I need to be,

1145
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:54,400
forgetting his name. But I went
down there with Gary said, I'll

1146
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:57,040
get up and jam with you, you
know. And Lee was playing drums

1147
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:01,140
and just solid. Just, he said, I
haven't played this in. Years. I

1148
01:00:01,140 --> 01:00:03,120
didn't believe this. Yeah, I
can't do my Lee Kelly

1149
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:06,120
impersonation, but he just, man,
he was, Well,

1150
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:10,920
Lee Kelly has got a southern
accent. He does, yeah, yeah. You

1151
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,260
know, we had him on the show,
maybe, I don't know, 20 episodes

1152
01:00:13,260 --> 01:00:17,040
ago or something. Just so great
to catch up with him. But you

1153
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:19,620
know, he's a lifer. You know
you're a lifer, yeah? So when

1154
01:00:19,620 --> 01:00:21,920
you get the gig, you're not the
band leader right away, but you

1155
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:24,080
eventually become the band
leader. Gary

1156
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:26,720
approached me somewhere up north
and asked me if I wanted to do

1157
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:27,020
and I'm

1158
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:31,100
like, I don't know, what are my
responsibilities? Yeah.

1159
01:00:31,100 --> 01:00:33,680
He said, Well, if you don't take
it, I'm gonna give to somebody

1160
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:37,340
else. I said, Okay, I'll give it
a try. But as band leader, seems

1161
01:00:37,340 --> 01:00:37,700
like that

1162
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:41,540
thing pretty much runs itself,
right? You got to come up with

1163
01:00:41,540 --> 01:00:43,240
intros, outros, endings. Outros,

1164
01:00:44,020 --> 01:00:46,840
endings. No, everybody I have,
when I said, when we go into

1165
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:49,840
rehearsals, it's everybody,
everybody has democratic

1166
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:53,740
process. Yes, yeah, everybody's
doing that. It's nice. So look

1167
01:00:53,740 --> 01:00:56,740
at these great drummers you've
had. Seth Roush, Seth rush,

1168
01:00:56,860 --> 01:00:59,680
currently with Carrie Underwood,
yeah, Matt Billingsley,

1169
01:00:59,860 --> 01:01:05,700
currently with Taylor Swift.
Here he's doing well, yeah. Tim

1170
01:01:05,700 --> 01:01:08,640
Horsley, who had did some time
with Keith Urban, Tim was with

1171
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:12,420
us forever. Tim was with us
seven or eight years. Yeah,

1172
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:17,520
and Dana, drum roll, timpani,
live from Hollywood, California.

1173
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:22,640
Larry bed now, now we're gonna,
we're gonna, we're gonna totally

1174
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:27,500
make Larry Babb blush, even
though he will never listen to

1175
01:01:27,500 --> 01:01:28,340
this. Probably

1176
01:01:28,340 --> 01:01:31,640
very bad, very bad. Some nights
he has to set up my air drumming

1177
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:31,940
set.

1178
01:01:32,060 --> 01:01:35,960
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Larry Jim, I
would love to have Larry Babb on

1179
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:39,080
this show. Yes, he should. I
don't know if he would do it.

1180
01:01:39,140 --> 01:01:42,460
I'll bring him here. He is so
shy. See when he sees this, he's

1181
01:01:42,460 --> 01:01:47,860
laughing already. He is so awe,
shucks. And he is one of the

1182
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:53,020
most underrated drummers in this
city. He's a real he's a

1183
01:01:53,020 --> 01:01:56,200
monster. When I saw him play
with big and Rich, I was like

1184
01:01:56,380 --> 01:02:00,240
whole just, when did he play
with them? Crushing it.

1185
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:05,880
He played with us for a while,
left us to go play with, I

1186
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:09,240
forget who it was. And then he,
before he came back with us, he

1187
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:10,740
did a stint with big and rich
again.

1188
01:02:10,740 --> 01:02:13,920
He put the Wreckers. Maybe, did
he put the Wreckers or one of

1189
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:17,820
those country alt girls, or it
was like a girl, it was a flavor

1190
01:02:17,820 --> 01:02:20,400
of the moment girl. She maybe
had a couple of singles, but I

1191
01:02:20,460 --> 01:02:22,940
remember that. But I watched him
play side of stage with bigger

1192
01:02:22,940 --> 01:02:25,040
rich. I was like, This guy is
owning

1193
01:02:25,220 --> 01:02:27,860
this Oh, when I Yeah, it was a
different show than what we do.

1194
01:02:27,860 --> 01:02:30,140
And he was just like, Who's that
guy? Yeah.

1195
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:33,080
And then when he it's like,
larger than life, and then he

1196
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:37,280
gets off the drums and and he's
like, Oh, shucks, you know,

1197
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:40,160
don't, don't try to give him a
compliment. Oh no, that's

1198
01:02:41,300 --> 01:02:45,760
kind of like you. You're an aw
shucks guy. There are a lot of

1199
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:48,640
people that have been on lately
that have sung your praises,

1200
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:51,100
because you spoke into their
lives in a positive you made a

1201
01:02:51,100 --> 01:02:53,860
positive impact. Per your
mantra, makes

1202
01:02:53,860 --> 01:02:57,640
such a positive impact, and I
incorporate him in my in my ear,

1203
01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:01,140
drumming show, okay, do it? Give
me a twirl? Well, it's not just

1204
01:03:01,140 --> 01:03:02,700
the twirl. It's the Lake

1205
01:03:02,700 --> 01:03:07,980
of the stick right lick. Let's
all do it.

1206
01:03:09,780 --> 01:03:10,980
I want to get some of your

1207
01:03:12,660 --> 01:03:16,200
you get all those kind of
noises. Why aren't you doing an

1208
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:17,700
album? Just those noises? I

1209
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:26,480
because I've watched a few of
your interviews with

1210
01:03:27,020 --> 01:03:31,100
drumming on the rich red shoe.
I'm

1211
01:03:31,100 --> 01:03:34,640
usually doing metal, though,
yeah, I gotta put on the show.

1212
01:03:34,820 --> 01:03:36,020
Oh, yeah. So,

1213
01:03:36,020 --> 01:03:39,680
like, like, 80s, sunset, strap
metal. Like, like, Well, my

1214
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:43,000
first, my first go to is a
Canadian rock band from the 80s.

1215
01:03:43,540 --> 01:03:47,020
All that he's not, you're not
gonna get you're not gonna get

1216
01:03:47,020 --> 01:03:47,740
it. You're not

1217
01:03:47,740 --> 01:03:48,520
gonna get it.

1218
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:51,700
Triumph, honeymoon suite. Well,
that's a new go. I got a

1219
01:03:51,700 --> 01:03:57,820
new girl that's definitely on
the playlist. That's definitely

1220
01:03:57,820 --> 01:04:00,460
on the playlist. Dude I used to
play with the drummer out of

1221
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:03,660
Halifax. He's not the original
drummer. Original drummer of a

1222
01:04:03,660 --> 01:04:06,840
crate. And don't, yeah, play
with them for a while. I think

1223
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:10,500
he played on the live album. I
think, yeah, is hein? But yeah,

1224
01:04:10,500 --> 01:04:12,840
honey, they're still doing it.
They're still doing it. You're

1225
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:15,600
still doing it. My first, my
first go to is a little band

1226
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:18,300
called Coney hatch. You remember
that? No,

1227
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:21,860
no, I know Coney Island. I just
Coney

1228
01:04:22,220 --> 01:04:24,680
hatch, a little song called
Monkey Bars. Yeah,

1229
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:26,540
yes, but what's the beat?

1230
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:31,160
Just kind of like a, kind of
like the new girl now,

1231
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:35,300
where you're always kind of like
a closeted drummer, maybe, maybe

1232
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:37,460
ever sit down to play it a kid?

1233
01:04:37,460 --> 01:04:41,680
When this starts to speak after
a show, yeah? When it speaks a

1234
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:44,680
lot then, then the kind of in
the old days, I'm retired now,

1235
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:47,020
yeah, drumming kind of retiring,
yeah,

1236
01:04:47,980 --> 01:04:51,400
sat down, real drum. No, really,
actually,

1237
01:04:51,460 --> 01:04:56,560
a few years ago, Gary had owned
kit, dw, kit, nice, my air

1238
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:59,920
drumming kit is always a odds,
Canadian, oh, Canadian, yeah.

1239
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,120
That that'll be my favorite. My
favorite ones were the, is it

1240
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:04,080
Northfield? North

1241
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:04,800
drums north

1242
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:09,840
I just did the wood stick drum
festival outside of Seattle, and

1243
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:13,620
one of the dudes had no North
kit. Are you serious? Billy

1244
01:05:14,700 --> 01:05:18,240
Willie, that I told you about my
friend? Yeah, you had one?

1245
01:05:19,020 --> 01:05:23,300
I yeah, I went to see Burton
Cummings in concert years ago,

1246
01:05:23,540 --> 01:05:26,360
back in the early 80s, maybe,
yeah, and his drummer had,

1247
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:28,640
that's the first time I'd seen
that takes up a lot of space,

1248
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:31,520
and I thought it was the coolest
thing. Then I saw that cases for

1249
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:33,920
him. Burton was playing his
piano, and I was doing

1250
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:36,140
something. He was looking at
something on the piano. I said,

1251
01:05:36,140 --> 01:05:40,160
I What is he doing? So I, I was
in the bowl section, so I walked

1252
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:42,880
down, I could walk on the floor,
and I went up there. And how

1253
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:45,100
Canadian is it that he was
watching the Stanley Cup

1254
01:05:45,100 --> 01:05:48,340
playoffs on a little TV, on his
piano while he was doing the

1255
01:05:48,340 --> 01:05:48,940
concert?

1256
01:05:49,060 --> 01:05:53,740
Oh, my god, wow. Yeah. Well, so
you did play hockey for some

1257
01:05:53,740 --> 01:05:54,160
time, right?

1258
01:05:55,300 --> 01:05:57,880
12 to 13 years. I mean, you're
formerly youth,

1259
01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:00,360
and your youth, it's dangerous.
I'm surprised you have all your

1260
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:00,600
teeth.

1261
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:04,140
I started when I was five in
Massachusetts. Was a goalie.

1262
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:07,620
That's a lot of pressure, man,
goalies, goal, yep, what? But as

1263
01:06:07,620 --> 01:06:11,280
soon as I moved to Canada, I
wanted to be on the ice. So got

1264
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:13,920
on the ice. I pretty much was a
defenseman. Most of my when I

1265
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:16,800
got, when I was getting to high
school, I was losing interest. I

1266
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:21,200
was getting more into music, and
I just, I was just losing the

1267
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:24,140
interest of hockey, but I wanted
to play at least one year high

1268
01:06:24,140 --> 01:06:26,900
school, and I did. These guys
are getting really serious,

1269
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:31,580
really serious. Yeah, very fast,
and I was just my heart wasn't

1270
01:06:31,580 --> 01:06:34,280
there, so I finished after that
and didn't go back.

1271
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:37,820
Are you still a fan rock? I'm
not a big, big fan. I follow

1272
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:41,020
my dad is my dad's been waiting
for the Toronto Maple Leafs to

1273
01:06:41,020 --> 01:06:44,020
win the Stanley Cup. Think the
last time they won was like, 40

1274
01:06:44,020 --> 01:06:45,520
years or 60s or something.

1275
01:06:45,700 --> 01:06:48,400
Because did you realize you
probably don't know this about

1276
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:51,160
me. We talk about athletics
sometimes when we talk about

1277
01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:55,060
your speed skating career, and
what else did you do? Wait

1278
01:06:55,060 --> 01:06:57,100
a second. I didn't know that.
What's What's this now, I had

1279
01:06:57,100 --> 01:07:00,100
like, a one year of trying to go
very fast around the ice.

1280
01:07:00,100 --> 01:07:02,700
Have you ever seen him roller
skate?

1281
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:06,360
I think I saw a video online
when I used to disco roller

1282
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:09,600
skating. I'm pretty good. Yeah,
okay, we're going, pretty good.

1283
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:11,640
We're going, Dude, you're damn
good. We're gonna

1284
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:14,820
go to the skate center in
Brentwood. We're gonna do some

1285
01:07:14,820 --> 01:07:17,580
roller derby, dude. The funny
thing is, is that we like, like,

1286
01:07:17,580 --> 01:07:21,260
I went Kara and I went to go to
the skate center, the Brent went

1287
01:07:21,260 --> 01:07:23,300
there, and we were thinking, you
know, it's gonna, they're gonna

1288
01:07:23,300 --> 01:07:26,060
be playing disco music, like
most skating players, yeah, but

1289
01:07:26,060 --> 01:07:29,660
they were playing like, you
know, Dua Lipa and, you know,

1290
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:31,100
Kyle, you know, all the, I want

1291
01:07:31,100 --> 01:07:31,640
to hear

1292
01:07:32,180 --> 01:07:35,240
Bruno Mars, all that stuff,
yeah, I, actually,

1293
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:39,860
I played hockey, yeah, I did,
but it was roller hockey. You're

1294
01:07:39,860 --> 01:07:43,000
from Connecticut, aren't you? I
am okay. So we played in a

1295
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:46,480
Costco parking lot or Home Depot
parking lot. What part of

1296
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:47,020
Connecticut?

1297
01:07:47,140 --> 01:07:50,500
Danbury. Danbury, western side.
My aunt and uncle live there

1298
01:07:50,500 --> 01:07:54,220
right now, and I'd have to look
in my phone. It's very close to

1299
01:07:54,220 --> 01:07:54,700
Danbury,

1300
01:07:54,700 --> 01:07:58,780
Brookfield, New Milford, no
Bethel, no Greenwich, Stamford,

1301
01:07:58,960 --> 01:07:59,560
reading. They

1302
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:02,160
used to be in Stanford, but
there, I'll look it up before I

1303
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:02,400
leave.

1304
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:06,360
Yeah, but Waterbury, water, I
think it's water. Yeah, it's

1305
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:09,600
there the town halfway between
Danbury and Hartford.

1306
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:13,260
Yeah, they have the berries and
the ports, yes, okay, we have

1307
01:08:13,260 --> 01:08:16,560
the bills. Well, you had the
Hartford and the Hartford

1308
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:19,200
Whalers back the Hartford whale,
way back when, way back on the

1309
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:21,200
water whale, the Carvel cake.
Then we

1310
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:26,660
had the Danbury trashers, which
was run by James. He was owned

1311
01:08:26,660 --> 01:08:32,060
by James Galanti, who ran
automated waste disposal. Okay,

1312
01:08:32,480 --> 01:08:38,660
and apparently he was the model,
as the lore goes for Tony

1313
01:08:38,660 --> 01:08:42,040
Soprano, really, his son is even
named AJ.

1314
01:08:43,180 --> 01:08:46,060
There's a lot of Mafia in waste
disposal, oh yeah, because they

1315
01:08:46,060 --> 01:08:48,340
could dispose of a lot of things
in that business. It's

1316
01:08:48,340 --> 01:08:50,800
funny. You say Tony sobrino
during the pandemic, you know,

1317
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:53,080
we're trying to find my wife,
trying to find something to

1318
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:55,240
watch. And she goes, Why don't
we start the surprise? I never

1319
01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:57,580
seen the sopranos really like,
that's just too long. And I

1320
01:08:57,580 --> 01:08:59,140
said, Okay, let's watch it. It

1321
01:08:59,140 --> 01:09:01,680
holds up. Glad I did amazing,
unbelievable.

1322
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:05,460
It's funny, because the
technology, yeah, it's dated.

1323
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:07,920
That's what bothers me about
watching it, because when

1324
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:10,380
they're dated like that, but it
was still, what

1325
01:09:10,380 --> 01:09:15,000
do you mean flip like the Yeah,
pay phones, just this, you know,

1326
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:17,460
it's not up. It's 20 some odd
years. What about six in the

1327
01:09:17,460 --> 01:09:17,700
city

1328
01:09:18,480 --> 01:09:21,080
she watched? I mean, yeah, I get
sucked into that.

1329
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:25,760
In the sopranos, there's, I want
to say it's a second season

1330
01:09:26,420 --> 01:09:30,560
where they're trying the FBI is
trying to bug his house. And you

1331
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:35,240
remember the song that they
played, the Peter Gunn police

1332
01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:40,220
mashup? I don't, I don't think,
oh, but you've ever heard that

1333
01:09:40,580 --> 01:09:41,680
Peter Gunn, which

1334
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:48,460
I'll be watching. Okay, I can't
remember

1335
01:09:48,999 --> 01:09:50,139
that. I'm gonna

1336
01:09:50,139 --> 01:09:54,039
look for it. Yeah, yeah. Jim's
gonna do his Joe Rogan, assist,

1337
01:09:54,039 --> 01:10:01,019
love it. Love it. Hey, get on
there, kid. Hey. Um, so. All

1338
01:10:01,019 --> 01:10:04,379
these drummers you've worked
with, um drummers, what is the

1339
01:10:04,379 --> 01:10:09,539
common thing that makes you want
to get on stage with with one of

1340
01:10:09,539 --> 01:10:16,259
these guys? Is it like a common
thing? Is it like their energy,

1341
01:10:16,259 --> 01:10:21,559
their their their groove? Is it
their personality off the drums

1342
01:10:21,559 --> 01:10:23,839
or like, what are you looking
for when you have to audition a

1343
01:10:23,839 --> 01:10:25,159
new drummer for Gary Allen,

1344
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:29,420
I'm back in the oh, there it is.
That

1345
01:10:33,140 --> 01:10:35,060
almost saved the question,
right?

1346
01:10:36,260 --> 01:10:40,040
I found it Unit Five. Do a
visual contact. You've never

1347
01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:40,540
heard this.

1348
01:10:42,940 --> 01:10:44,440
I've played this song a million
times.

1349
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:49,900
Listen to this blend. It's one
of the one of the best mashups.

1350
01:10:49,900 --> 01:10:52,000
Yeah, you blend, your blend

1351
01:10:54,220 --> 01:10:56,500
unit one, approximately one
minute, you'll have the made

1352
01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:59,320
great Jetta, SC team, the
location read, secure. You have

1353
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:00,400
one hour and 30 minutes.

1354
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:04,140
Wow. Perfect template, great.
Yeah, and they say even with the

1355
01:11:04,140 --> 01:11:04,800
guitar, strum.

1356
01:11:06,420 --> 01:11:08,220
Oh, right. Maybe

1357
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:13,380
I'll include this at my playlist
when I start DJing for $10,000 a

1358
01:11:13,380 --> 01:11:13,620
pop.

1359
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:17,340
That could be the Here comes the
bride.

1360
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:18,480
DJ, Redmond

1361
01:11:18,780 --> 01:11:22,820
is coming. Seriously, yeah,
what's DJ? What does he want to

1362
01:11:22,820 --> 01:11:23,180
play? Well,

1363
01:11:23,180 --> 01:11:26,480
I'm only doing 50 shows a year
with Aldi. I got six months to

1364
01:11:26,480 --> 01:11:27,380
go do weddings,

1365
01:11:29,060 --> 01:11:32,420
50 or 60 shows with Gary. So
maybe, maybe that we could do

1366
01:11:32,420 --> 01:11:34,100
the tag team. Yeah, dude,

1367
01:11:34,340 --> 01:11:38,540
if you can sell $10,000 DJ
wedding, I'll, I'll be your

1368
01:11:38,540 --> 01:11:41,440
assistant to help you set up.
Okay, and I'll

1369
01:11:41,440 --> 01:11:44,140
only charge you $1,000 I'm
telling you, this is what these

1370
01:11:44,140 --> 01:11:46,840
guys are getting paid, dude, if
you can make it happen, I'm

1371
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:49,240
serious, I'll help you with
that. Nice. Yeah, I'll set

1372
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:51,640
everything up, and you just show
up and I'll be a roadie. Oh,

1373
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:54,280
you're gonna be my the John Hall
of my DJ equipment. All right, I

1374
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:58,360
can totally do that. It's
amazing. That's amazing. So, you

1375
01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:00,220
know what? You don't have to
worry about the the drumming

1376
01:12:00,220 --> 01:12:03,960
question, because it's the whole
thing, it's like so they have to

1377
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:06,780
be, they have to be affable,
they have to be able to take

1378
01:12:06,780 --> 01:12:10,020
direction. They have to have
good time. They have to know the

1379
01:12:10,020 --> 01:12:13,020
material, like all that stuff,
yeah. And they mostly have to be

1380
01:12:13,020 --> 01:12:15,900
a great hang. All these dudes
are cool dudes. They're all

1381
01:12:15,900 --> 01:12:20,240
great, all great guys. It's that
hang comes back to be the best

1382
01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:23,120
musician in the world. If you
can't, you can't live on that

1383
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:25,700
bus. Yeah, you can't get along.
What

1384
01:12:25,700 --> 01:12:28,460
does that mean? You can't get if
you just know, just, you know,

1385
01:12:28,460 --> 01:12:31,460
how do you define that? And how
do you train somebody to be a

1386
01:12:31,460 --> 01:12:36,500
quote, good hang. Is it just
instinct? Is it just it can be

1387
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:38,780
taught, you know? Well, what

1388
01:12:38,780 --> 01:12:40,780
some of the things are like,

1389
01:12:41,500 --> 01:12:44,080
Well, you've been with Tony and
Kurt all these years together.

1390
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:44,260
It's

1391
01:12:44,260 --> 01:12:46,780
like a shared space, right? So
everyone's like, you know,

1392
01:12:46,780 --> 01:12:49,420
everyone has to, like, share the
space, and someone's got to put

1393
01:12:49,420 --> 01:12:53,260
their butts somewhere. And then,
you know, you, you throw your

1394
01:12:53,260 --> 01:12:56,560
trash away, you wipe the
counter, you know, you lift the

1395
01:12:56,560 --> 01:13:00,600
lid, you take your shoes and you
put them next to your bunker,

1396
01:13:00,660 --> 01:13:03,240
under the bunk. We don't, we
don't do any of that, yeah?

1397
01:13:03,300 --> 01:13:08,220
Really, just kind of like being
tidy, you know? Yeah, it's just,

1398
01:13:10,260 --> 01:13:12,960
I'm trying to think of the best
way to say

1399
01:13:13,500 --> 01:13:17,940
it. But every every band has its
own culture. Every tour bus has

1400
01:13:17,940 --> 01:13:19,500
its own culture.

1401
01:13:19,740 --> 01:13:22,700
Oh, absolutely, every business
has its own culture. The biggest

1402
01:13:22,700 --> 01:13:23,840
thing is, I speak on,

1403
01:13:23,900 --> 01:13:26,600
did you guys ever have to hire
someone that he's just, like,

1404
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:28,220
No, this ain't gonna work.
There's

1405
01:13:29,180 --> 01:13:30,620
when we are trying to find

1406
01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:36,080
the jack character, Jack size,
more, yeah, we went through many

1407
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:36,860
people, yeah,

1408
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:40,600
yeah, yeah. It's just, it's
just, and sometimes, a lot of

1409
01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:43,360
times you make a mistake, like,
there's a lot of good people out

1410
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:47,260
there that we've had and just
different guys are like, No, I

1411
01:13:47,260 --> 01:13:49,180
don't think it's going to work
out. And we just, you

1412
01:13:49,180 --> 01:13:52,420
know, but, but Jack was familiar
with you guys, especially the

1413
01:13:52,420 --> 01:13:54,580
core, because of Amy Daly and
stuff like

1414
01:13:54,580 --> 01:13:58,660
that. I met Jack in 1998 because
I played with his wife, Amy

1415
01:13:58,660 --> 01:14:03,420
dahli, and then I also saw Jack
with House of dreams on RCA with

1416
01:14:03,420 --> 01:14:07,140
Tom Hurst on drums, and Britain
Cameron singing. Tom played with

1417
01:14:07,140 --> 01:14:09,180
us for a short while, right? Oh,
yeah. Tom

1418
01:14:09,180 --> 01:14:11,820
played with us. Yeah. Well, if
you ever need another guy, man,

1419
01:14:11,820 --> 01:14:13,200
I'm coming out of hiding. I'm,

1420
01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:16,260
yeah, that's right. I'm bad. I
feel bad that I didn't mention

1421
01:14:16,260 --> 01:14:17,220
Tom Hurst.

1422
01:14:17,220 --> 01:14:19,740
Oh, Tom's a great mention. Jim
McCarthy, either

1423
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:24,440
Jim, you're so busy you can't,
you can't be gone. 150 days

1424
01:14:24,440 --> 01:14:27,440
a year is how much you guys are
playing. If you

1425
01:14:27,440 --> 01:14:32,660
do 50 shows, you might be gone
as much as 120 days or something

1426
01:14:32,660 --> 01:14:33,500
with travel.

1427
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:37,100
Well, my, my, I'm here to
replace you. Okay.

1428
01:14:37,460 --> 01:14:40,660
Oh, you got a hick down? Down,
yeah, he's got it. He learned

1429
01:14:40,660 --> 01:14:43,900
kick down. Oh, yeah. Jim can
play naturally by feel like so

1430
01:14:43,900 --> 01:14:44,680
many things I can

1431
01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:47,380
remember. I only I memorized by
hearing, yeah,

1432
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:51,100
how many songs are you guys
doing in that's pretty much me?

1433
01:14:51,100 --> 01:14:53,800
Well, I can chart, but I but
it's mostly from

1434
01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:57,640
you have to memorize to, just
like I do. Yeah, I'm a I'm an

1435
01:14:57,640 --> 01:14:58,480
audible, uh.

1436
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:01,980
What's that? An audible

1437
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:07,860
learner? Yeah? So, yeah, right,
even when I memorized an entire

1438
01:15:07,860 --> 01:15:12,780
George Carlin bit and passed off
as a college project one time,

1439
01:15:12,900 --> 01:15:18,120
wow. Love George, yeah. I mean
the nuances, the inflections,

1440
01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:22,520
the tempos, everything. When I
started selling cars with

1441
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:25,520
Mercurio, yeah, they wanted, you
know, it was one thing to sell

1442
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:28,460
the car. You had to then convert
to selling all the other stuff,

1443
01:15:28,460 --> 01:15:31,160
the mop and slop, the extended
warranty, all that stuff. And I

1444
01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:34,460
didn't know how to really frame
all that stuff. So I put my

1445
01:15:34,460 --> 01:15:39,560
phone in front of Mike, and I
said, Give me your spiel. And he

1446
01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:42,580
sold, like, four products. I
recorded it. I listened to it

1447
01:15:42,580 --> 01:15:43,120
over and over.

1448
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:45,460
I didn't know that Mike was
selling cars before he got into

1449
01:15:45,460 --> 01:15:47,860
the Yeah, financial I met a
racket. Oh, okay,

1450
01:15:47,860 --> 01:15:50,080
yeah. He was one of the people
that was nice to me in the

1451
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:50,440
business.

1452
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:54,760
Jim has done a lot of things
over there. I see that. Yeah.

1453
01:15:54,940 --> 01:15:56,620
What year did you move here? Oh,

1454
01:15:56,620 --> 01:16:03,480
five. I was in radio from 97 to
13, which is how well you and I

1455
01:16:03,480 --> 01:16:06,960
met via MySpace because you
wanted a voiceover lessons. Yep,

1456
01:16:07,140 --> 01:16:09,960
we never well, I've coached you
in voiceover. I've never given

1457
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:10,500
you a lesson.

1458
01:16:10,860 --> 01:16:14,880
No, I've never taken a lesson. I
just tell him, Hey, I got a job.

1459
01:16:15,420 --> 01:16:19,800
And then he introduces me. I
coach him. Yeah, he'll be like,

1460
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:22,700
go up on inflection.

1461
01:16:23,540 --> 01:16:28,520
Mainly, it's, it's Oh, for
Christ's sake, rich, what? Just

1462
01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:32,180
say it like this, yeah,

1463
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:36,560
yeah, yeah. And I'll do Oh, and
then I'll give him portion of my

1464
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:38,240
profits. And then I go, Oh, God,

1465
01:16:40,340 --> 01:16:42,820
amazing. They're actually paying
you for this. You're

1466
01:16:43,180 --> 01:16:45,220
getting on the bus tonight.
Getting on the bus

1467
01:16:45,220 --> 01:16:47,800
tonight. Yeah, yeah, going to
Georgia. I think we're in

1468
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:53,080
Georgia. Tifton. Tifton,
Florida. Georgia Line. Jelly

1469
01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:55,900
Roll in Florida. Nice fort.
Lauderdale, oh, that's

1470
01:16:55,900 --> 01:16:59,440
gonna be crazy. Talk about a
drummer, my goodness. Cody ash.

1471
01:16:59,440 --> 01:16:59,920
He's great.

1472
01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:02,520
Yeah, you did an interview with
him. Didn't, yeah, I think so,

1473
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:03,720
yeah, yeah. I regret missing

1474
01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:06,000
that one, because that was one
of the that was probably the

1475
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:08,340
ones I had to, I had something
that popped up, and you made it

1476
01:17:08,340 --> 01:17:09,540
a, just a, you a solo,

1477
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:13,800
yeah? So zoom, zoom, via zoom.
We like this in person thing.

1478
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:16,740
It's just neat, because we'd
smell each other musk, you know,

1479
01:17:16,740 --> 01:17:19,320
we could really, it's great.
Yeah, you got three cameras

1480
01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:23,780
going, right? It's an amazing
thing. So how many dates this

1481
01:17:23,780 --> 01:17:24,200
year, buddy?

1482
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:28,520
I think, I think we usually do
about 65 Yeah, that's a

1483
01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:31,340
comfortable thing for Gary. 65
ish, yeah, yeah. You

1484
01:17:31,340 --> 01:17:33,980
know, I'm good for that. Yeah,
you know, quarter million

1485
01:17:33,980 --> 01:17:36,020
dollars a year tell Larry,

1486
01:17:36,020 --> 01:17:36,740
which is tell Larry,

1487
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:40,660
dude, say hi to Larry for me.
And you know what, Jim and I,

1488
01:17:40,660 --> 01:17:43,960
we've got a date. Saturday
night. We're going to the

1489
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:47,140
mission cigars fifth anniversary
party

1490
01:17:47,260 --> 01:17:50,440
where I went with you. Mission,
yes. Mission cigar, I wish

1491
01:17:50,440 --> 01:17:52,660
you were there. I wish you were
coming. We

1492
01:17:52,660 --> 01:17:54,760
need to invite our friend Luis.
Last

1493
01:17:54,760 --> 01:17:57,820
time I went to you know Luis
Espaillat, I've never met him.

1494
01:17:57,820 --> 01:17:59,620
Oh my god, I've never met him.

1495
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:01,680
He's like, you have to meet
Brian, all

1496
01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:04,200
of our bass players here. He
lives in

1497
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:08,760
West Nashville, yeah, okay,
okay. He's gonna drive out here

1498
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:10,680
and smoke scars. He came out

1499
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:13,680
and hung out with my wife and I
Okay, because he came into the

1500
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:17,100
room when, before we interviewed
him, and we kind of looked at

1501
01:18:17,100 --> 01:18:19,080
each other. He was he might have
been earlier. Maybe we were

1502
01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:22,820
running late, yes, but I looked
right at him. Michael, stare

1503
01:18:22,820 --> 01:18:27,020
toes, yeah, yeah. I instantly
like them. Same thing with you.

1504
01:18:27,020 --> 01:18:28,880
I mean, it's like, oddly for the
bass players,

1505
01:18:28,940 --> 01:18:32,000
you know, it's really great, is
it? Well, air drum, everybody

1506
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:34,160
that is in my life

1507
01:18:34,940 --> 01:18:36,260
is a good person. Everybody in

1508
01:18:36,620 --> 01:18:39,140
my life is a wonderful person.
Oh, for the most part, you know

1509
01:18:39,140 --> 01:18:41,780
what? I mean, everybody that's
getting invited on this show is

1510
01:18:41,780 --> 01:18:44,140
a wonderful person, because if
you're not, you

1511
01:18:44,140 --> 01:18:45,640
ain't getting on the present
company.

1512
01:18:47,620 --> 01:18:51,040
Amazing. Hey, what's your
favorite color? Favorite color?

1513
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:55,900
Yeah, oh, probably green. Oh, my
gosh, breaking the street. Nice.

1514
01:18:55,900 --> 01:18:56,200
A nice

1515
01:18:56,200 --> 01:18:58,840
yeah, we had a lot of blue,
like, well, I'm wearing blue. We

1516
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:02,820
only 20 blues. No, that's nice.
That's a nice, deep, uh, indigo

1517
01:19:02,820 --> 01:19:06,900
blue, which is sexy. What about
food? Which are you and I have a

1518
01:19:06,900 --> 01:19:09,420
lot of tacos together. But
what's your favorite, uh, food

1519
01:19:09,420 --> 01:19:10,140
or dish?

1520
01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:16,020
I'm a big seafood I'm from the
lobster capital of the world,

1521
01:19:16,500 --> 01:19:19,860
lobster roll, man, yeah, I'm a
big seafood guy. Scallops. Love

1522
01:19:19,860 --> 01:19:24,980
it. Fried clams. I love fried
clams now. Um, lobster, lobster.

1523
01:19:24,980 --> 01:19:28,820
Yeah, it's funny, because when I
was born in Haverhill, I had the

1524
01:19:28,820 --> 01:19:32,480
accent because I was born there,
and I went to school up to grade

1525
01:19:32,480 --> 01:19:35,960
two, and when I moved back, when
I moved to Canada, I got teased

1526
01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:39,740
because I was saying cat, and my
father and stuff like that, back

1527
01:19:39,740 --> 01:19:43,000
to cat. And I finally lost that,
and I come here and they're

1528
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:45,160
making fun of me for saying,
Sorry,

1529
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:48,040
sorry. How Canadians get
anything done? Because all you

1530
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:49,660
do is apologize. I was here

1531
01:19:49,660 --> 01:19:53,740
for like two weeks. I was at
Kroger on in Antioch. I had to

1532
01:19:53,740 --> 01:19:57,220
get stamps or something like
that. The girl said I got a

1533
01:19:57,220 --> 01:19:59,500
glove for a second. I think she
had these bathroom or something.

1534
01:19:59,500 --> 01:20:03,000
I'd be right. Actually put the
be back in five minute sign. Now

1535
01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:07,440
there's a lineup forming behind
me, and there was an older lady,

1536
01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:11,100
three or four people back, and
she goes, is anybody here? And I

1537
01:20:11,100 --> 01:20:13,740
said, Oh, she she was. She just
had to go out and vote for a

1538
01:20:13,740 --> 01:20:14,760
second. And she goes,

1539
01:20:16,500 --> 01:20:19,680
you're Canadian. You're one of
those. I'm already Canadians.

1540
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:23,360
And I'm like, Are You Psychic?
Or I had no idea. Like, hey,

1541
01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:27,500
you know what? I gotta go. I I'm
going back to drumeo, which is,

1542
01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:31,040
um, I forget which province is
very west.

1543
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:33,680
I believe that might be West. I
know that you've been the

1544
01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:36,920
Sabian, which is a very right.
That's my that's my province

1545
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:37,100
over

1546
01:20:37,100 --> 01:20:40,040
on that. So anyways, I gotta go
back to drumeo for the first

1547
01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:44,440
time in seven years. Do
Canadians hate us right now or

1548
01:20:44,440 --> 01:20:47,320
museum? I can have a hard time
getting in getting out. I mean,

1549
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:47,500
you're

1550
01:20:47,620 --> 01:20:50,440
gonna pull me in that you're
gonna pull me in that debate. We

1551
01:20:50,440 --> 01:20:51,520
don't get political here.

1552
01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:54,280
Oh, sorry, that's right, that's
right. No politics. But anyways,

1553
01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:57,700
I hope I can get in and out
quickly. But you know, I'm going

1554
01:20:57,700 --> 01:20:59,920
for work, which is, should be a
problem, and they're gonna give

1555
01:20:59,920 --> 01:21:00,040
me

1556
01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:02,820
all the relevant paperwork. Just
say, just say, you know me,

1557
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:05,160
yeah, that's what I did. You
guys know the Arsenal family,

1558
01:21:05,220 --> 01:21:07,620
yeah, yeah. Biffa, yeah.

1559
01:21:07,620 --> 01:21:11,580
Just, just, you know, say,
really rounded out words, hey.

1560
01:21:11,580 --> 01:21:16,380
So I haven't asked this in some
time, and it could stumble. You

1561
01:21:16,380 --> 01:21:18,780
could stumble on it. If you
stumble, no problem, we'll move,

1562
01:21:18,780 --> 01:21:21,140
move on. But what's your
favorite song of the moment or

1563
01:21:21,140 --> 01:21:26,000
all time. What's something that
you will continually visit song

1564
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:29,600
wise? Um, it's

1565
01:21:31,700 --> 01:21:34,340
not looking good, Jim. So it's a
tough question. What do you

1566
01:21:34,340 --> 01:21:35,720
think? What do you think I'm
gonna say?

1567
01:21:35,720 --> 01:21:38,600
I mean, I'm I didn't get around
to asking you your favorite

1568
01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:40,780
bands, so I would probably no

1569
01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:45,160
rush. Are you gonna say rush?
Yeah, I'd have to say April, if

1570
01:21:45,220 --> 01:21:48,580
it was a song, April. Ryan
grape, Barenaked Ladies. Great.

1571
01:21:48,580 --> 01:21:50,980
Another Yeah. Saw them in their
first year.

1572
01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:52,360
Big Bang Theory theme.

1573
01:21:53,440 --> 01:21:55,900
That's not true. Barenaked
Ladies, though. I'm gonna

1574
01:21:55,900 --> 01:21:59,200
stick Canadian. I'm gonna go
with the band. The weight.

1575
01:21:59,500 --> 01:22:02,880
Oh, wow. That is incredible. If

1576
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:05,580
I'm driving, that song comes on.
That's cranking. Robbie

1577
01:22:05,580 --> 01:22:07,440
Robertson, yeah, take a load of

1578
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:12,060
dude. Incredible. Now, what's
your favorite film of all time,

1579
01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:13,200
or of the moment?

1580
01:22:16,500 --> 01:22:20,040
I like, geez, I like comedies. I
love action. But if you said

1581
01:22:20,100 --> 01:22:23,840
favorite film. There's a film
that I really like that. I

1582
01:22:24,980 --> 01:22:27,140
There's a film called, have you
seen green book?

1583
01:22:27,440 --> 01:22:30,860
Oh, yeah, but the upright bass
player with this upright bass

1584
01:22:30,860 --> 01:22:34,700
player, but Sebastian Maniscalco
in it? Yes, he

1585
01:22:34,700 --> 01:22:37,460
has a small part in it. Yeah,
it's about. It's about. It's

1586
01:22:37,460 --> 01:22:40,420
actually true, based on true
stories. Of course, Courtney's

1587
01:22:40,420 --> 01:22:43,180
mother knew the guy. That's a
nice film, really small world.

1588
01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:47,080
It's, it's a tugs at your
heartstrings and great, great,

1589
01:22:47,140 --> 01:22:50,140
great movie, great message about
it, and everything. That's

1590
01:22:50,260 --> 01:22:52,960
credible movie. But I love being
tugged on my heart string. But I

1591
01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:56,620
love action, you know, like, I
like the Jason Bourne series

1592
01:22:56,620 --> 01:22:58,660
totally. I love comedies. I like
any

1593
01:22:58,660 --> 01:22:59,980
kind of Jason, stay them.

1594
01:23:00,100 --> 01:23:03,900
Stay them. I Jason Statham.
They're kind of all the same

1595
01:23:03,900 --> 01:23:04,320
movie,

1596
01:23:04,320 --> 01:23:06,480
they are. But, I mean, he just
so good at doing, you know what

1597
01:23:06,480 --> 01:23:07,080
to expect?

1598
01:23:07,140 --> 01:23:08,280
Yeah, I'm a regular guy.

1599
01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:10,800
He's kind of like the John Wick
stuff. I like the first one, but

1600
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:10,980
then

1601
01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:14,340
I like the first one, yeah, but
then it got gratuitously

1602
01:23:14,340 --> 01:23:15,240
violent. I'm

1603
01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:19,560
a regular guy. You have a past,
and I used to be really, you

1604
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:22,640
know, into fighting and guns,
and I just want to be left alone

1605
01:23:22,640 --> 01:23:26,780
and keep my bees. Is that the
Christopher Walken? That's Jason

1606
01:23:26,780 --> 01:23:28,880
Statham. Oh, that state of me
doing that. I don't know why he

1607
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:29,780
sounds like this.

1608
01:23:29,780 --> 01:23:33,560
That's actually a horrible
impersonation, but there's a

1609
01:23:34,220 --> 01:23:37,160
cross between Trump and walking.
I think he

1610
01:23:37,160 --> 01:23:40,480
definitely is walking. Okay, so
those are great. So your colors.

1611
01:23:40,480 --> 01:23:43,720
You got your green, you got your
What did you say for food?

1612
01:23:44,140 --> 01:23:49,120
Because it's seafood, fried
clams. Dude that in Nashville,

1613
01:23:49,420 --> 01:23:52,000
good clam chowder. Doing good
you gotta,

1614
01:23:52,180 --> 01:23:55,720
you gotta be up New England or
up north, anything north. His

1615
01:23:55,720 --> 01:23:58,720
name is like Chinese. I love
Chinese food, but the more north

1616
01:23:58,720 --> 01:23:59,800
you go, I don't know. Why

1617
01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:01,380
did I say drink. I think I know
it's

1618
01:24:02,460 --> 01:24:06,000
good little bourbon. Where do we
start? Yeah, good. What he

1619
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:09,240
brought I like, well, I like
bourbon and like what? I like

1620
01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:10,560
Scotch in the wintertime, yeah.

1621
01:24:10,620 --> 01:24:13,440
Oh, you said scotch. You said
scotch, yeah. So Brian, it was

1622
01:24:13,440 --> 01:24:16,080
so sweet. He bought us a couple
bottles of basil Hayden. They're

1623
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:17,220
up there on the shelf, right
there.

1624
01:24:17,220 --> 01:24:19,800
Yeah. So, getting back to
chowder. Real quick. Chowder,

1625
01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:23,420
chowder. The last time my I had
some New England Clam Chowder,

1626
01:24:23,480 --> 01:24:27,080
believe it or not, which was
amazing, Grand Central Terminal,

1627
01:24:27,560 --> 01:24:29,240
really? Yeah. Oh yeah. You

1628
01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:31,220
were telling me about that.
Yeah. You know, I think a Grand

1629
01:24:31,220 --> 01:24:34,160
Central I think about the old
joke about, hey, I'm gonna make

1630
01:24:34,160 --> 01:24:37,160
you clean the toilets at Grand
Central. You know what I mean?

1631
01:24:37,220 --> 01:24:41,080
Or probably in the 70s when it
was awful. Yeah, it's very

1632
01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:41,740
bougie, right?

1633
01:24:41,740 --> 01:24:43,660
Is it bougie? Now, nice. We were

1634
01:24:43,660 --> 01:24:47,440
there, uh, February of last
year, and it was Courtney. Had a

1635
01:24:47,440 --> 01:24:51,220
lobster roll and I had, yeah, it
was like, just how I remember it

1636
01:24:51,220 --> 01:24:53,740
straight climb chatter, yep. I
think the last climb chowder I

1637
01:24:53,740 --> 01:24:56,020
have was probably in the
Portland Maine airport, or

1638
01:24:56,020 --> 01:24:56,800
something like that.

1639
01:24:56,800 --> 01:24:59,860
I just right, yeah. But did you
get, is it good pizza in Boston?

1640
01:25:00,480 --> 01:25:01,740
Yeah, I love the that's

1641
01:25:01,740 --> 01:25:03,360
my favorite pizza in Boston.
Really,

1642
01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:06,840
I don't know why. Why is it kind
of like New York style with a

1643
01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:07,920
thin slicers? Yes.

1644
01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:11,100
Okay, yes. And I just don't know
what it is, and I can't find

1645
01:25:11,160 --> 01:25:12,960
anywhere here that duplicates
it. Hey,

1646
01:25:13,440 --> 01:25:17,520
New York pizza. You can't find
New York. I mean, Nellies and

1647
01:25:18,060 --> 01:25:21,920
Joey's, when they first opened,
Nellies very first opened it,

1648
01:25:22,160 --> 01:25:25,340
not so much. Now they've changed
it. Frankie's is good. Where's

1649
01:25:25,340 --> 01:25:29,120
frank it's next to Home Depot.
It's like, just on the other

1650
01:25:29,120 --> 01:25:32,000
side of where Nellies is. We got
to go to Frankie. Okay, yeah,

1651
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:35,540
okay. Sal's isn't bad. Salvos
here,

1652
01:25:35,660 --> 01:25:37,940
yeah, because we have two or
three sales locations in

1653
01:25:37,940 --> 01:25:41,680
Nashville. But out here the
salvo we've got salvos, which, I

1654
01:25:41,680 --> 01:25:42,880
think it's the same company

1655
01:25:42,940 --> 01:25:44,860
in the same Plaza as the
mission.

1656
01:25:45,100 --> 01:25:47,860
What's the place downtown that
closed last year that everybody

1657
01:25:47,860 --> 01:25:48,520
was going to?

1658
01:25:48,760 --> 01:25:53,200
Oh, Joey's. Joey's closed. They
used to closed up shop, and,

1659
01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:56,200
believe it or not, they hung a
sign on the door. Didn't tell

1660
01:25:56,260 --> 01:25:59,020
anybody that they were doing.
They just wanted to. They were

1661
01:25:59,020 --> 01:26:02,040
just done. You know, they put a
sign on the door, and, like,

1662
01:26:02,040 --> 01:26:04,800
everybody was pissed, like, to
the point where the news

1663
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:08,340
channels came out. Thank you for
20 years pretty much. Yeah,

1664
01:26:08,340 --> 01:26:12,480
we're done. But now they have a
place out in Murfreesboro. Oh,

1665
01:26:12,840 --> 01:26:19,080
I'm gonna screw it up. Emerald,
it's like, the Maka Bella, it's

1666
01:26:19,080 --> 01:26:22,820
like, it's an event space, yeah.
And they actually will cater

1667
01:26:22,820 --> 01:26:25,820
nice Joey's house of pizza,
really? Yeah? Okay, I had that

1668
01:26:25,820 --> 01:26:27,740
family on my podcast, those
Macca family.

1669
01:26:27,800 --> 01:26:30,260
Oh, did you really, yeah? I only
great people. I went there once,

1670
01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:33,140
maybe twice, and they said,
Well, wait, we go in there. And

1671
01:26:33,140 --> 01:26:34,220
it was just like, it's

1672
01:26:34,220 --> 01:26:36,800
entertaining, entertaining. It's
entertainment because, I mean,

1673
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:40,840
literally, the mom will be
taking the orders. Crescenza,

1674
01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:44,740
yeah. And the daughter is, you
know, like, Paul the second,

1675
01:26:44,740 --> 01:26:47,980
fourth, unbelievable. And like,
you know, the you come in, like,

1676
01:26:48,100 --> 01:26:51,760
what'd you get out on here? Hey,
honey, what do you want? What

1677
01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:54,520
would you like? Oh, yeah, it's
alive. You remember going there

1678
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:57,880
in Brentwood. It's got a lot of
character. Remember? Yeah, you

1679
01:26:57,880 --> 01:26:59,980
gotta take your pills and we go
get some pizza.

1680
01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:02,340
Yeah, gotta take my lactates. I
keep that lab in business.

1681
01:27:02,340 --> 01:27:04,740
Buddy, tell you what you got any
food allergies? Are you just

1682
01:27:04,740 --> 01:27:06,060
great? You got an Iron Stomach?

1683
01:27:07,380 --> 01:27:09,840
No. Allen, no, not. That's
great. You know what? My

1684
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:12,540
allergies were bad when I was in
Canada, when I moved down here,

1685
01:27:12,540 --> 01:27:15,840
yeah, they all went away, nice
someone, someone told me, they

1686
01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:18,780
said, Give that a little while.
And I said, whatever. And about

1687
01:27:18,780 --> 01:27:22,040
four or five years later, it's
not as bad as it used to be, but

1688
01:27:22,040 --> 01:27:25,100
a little bit came back. So I
think, I think May and November,

1689
01:27:25,100 --> 01:27:28,640
my May is my worst month. Itchy
eyes. Oh yeah, guys, make great.

1690
01:27:28,820 --> 01:27:31,940
What is the Who are your
favorite bait? Like, what got

1691
01:27:31,940 --> 01:27:34,640
you to pick up the bass? Who are
your favorite bass players?

1692
01:27:36,020 --> 01:27:39,080
I remember the first time. You
know what? I remember the first

1693
01:27:39,080 --> 01:27:43,780
time I picked up the bass, buddy
of mine. We were just teenagers,

1694
01:27:43,780 --> 01:27:46,900
got a call to go audition for
this little country band, just a

1695
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:50,740
female singer and her drummer
buddy, and He, God love him. He

1696
01:27:50,740 --> 01:27:52,900
didn't know how to play that. He
was great guitar player. He

1697
01:27:52,900 --> 01:27:55,120
really didn't know how to play
bass. But he said, Will you go

1698
01:27:55,120 --> 01:27:57,880
over with me? Says, I'm gonna
try this out. Sure. So I went

1699
01:27:57,880 --> 01:28:01,140
over there and he should I wish
I had this base. To this day,

1700
01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:04,860
she had a base. It was like a
Sears thing, stranger, like two

1701
01:28:04,860 --> 01:28:07,920
to three inches off the neck.
And when I had learned a guitar,

1702
01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:10,920
I learned I didn't like playing
with a pick. I always played

1703
01:28:10,920 --> 01:28:13,860
with my fingers, finger style,
but I would listen to the

1704
01:28:13,860 --> 01:28:16,260
country tunes, and I'd pick up a
little bit of the bass lines,

1705
01:28:16,260 --> 01:28:21,380
you know, just simple stuff.
Anyway, he as my friend I say,

1706
01:28:21,740 --> 01:28:24,320
long story short, and my friend
Glenn Cunningham would say,

1707
01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:30,920
You're too late. So Steve tried
to play bass. He auditioned for

1708
01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:33,800
this gig, whatever. And there's
like, he's he stopped. He said,

1709
01:28:33,800 --> 01:28:36,980
this, this is not going well. He
says, I can't do this. And she's

1710
01:28:36,980 --> 01:28:41,260
like, she's all cool, whatever.
So we're leaving. And he sees

1711
01:28:41,260 --> 01:28:45,340
this, 1950s Les Paul, original
Les Paul in the corner. And he

1712
01:28:45,340 --> 01:28:48,880
goes, whose is that? She says,
My dad got me that for my

1713
01:28:48,880 --> 01:28:50,860
birthday a few years ago. I
really never played. He goes,

1714
01:28:50,860 --> 01:28:54,820
Can I try it? Because Go ahead.
So he picks it up. He gets the

1715
01:28:54,820 --> 01:28:57,160
guitar. She goes, I was going to
hire guitar player anyway. She

1716
01:28:57,160 --> 01:28:59,560
goes, I didn't know you can play
guitar. And she looks at me. She

1717
01:28:59,560 --> 01:29:03,360
goes, Do you play bass? And I
said, not really, but I'll try

1718
01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:07,320
it. So I picked it up and I
played root, just root fifth,

1719
01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:10,620
and just those little pickup
lines. We started the band right

1720
01:29:10,620 --> 01:29:13,440
then and there. Nice the next
day, we were all excited. Just

1721
01:29:13,440 --> 01:29:17,820
teenagers, we go in the next day
to learn 30 or 40 songs just to

1722
01:29:17,820 --> 01:29:23,120
make a set. And didn't I find
the we had the recorder play

1723
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:26,960
recording those old tapes, we
hit play and record. And didn't

1724
01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:30,380
I find that tape in my attic?
Oh, my God, you gotta use that

1725
01:29:30,380 --> 01:29:33,320
to a digital format. It already
is, yeah, that's incredible,

1726
01:29:33,320 --> 01:29:39,140
yeah. So it's comical, you know,
yes, yeah. But anyway, yeah. As

1727
01:29:39,140 --> 01:29:41,620
time went on, I started
listening to, oh, well, I was

1728
01:29:41,620 --> 01:29:45,040
getting into rock a little bit,
you know, being in Canada, I saw

1729
01:29:45,040 --> 01:29:47,860
all the Canadian bands. Yeah,
they all came to the Coliseum

1730
01:29:47,860 --> 01:29:51,100
down the street. I remember
going to see the lover boy, and

1731
01:29:51,100 --> 01:29:53,500
they had this opening act. We
never really paid attention the

1732
01:29:53,500 --> 01:29:56,020
opening acts. Never knew the
names. So we were there. I'm

1733
01:29:56,020 --> 01:29:59,320
just three, three deep at the
front row with my friends,

1734
01:29:59,320 --> 01:30:02,580
whatever. You know. And we're
waiting for this opening act,

1735
01:30:02,580 --> 01:30:04,920
the band comes out, and they're
jamming. I'm like, where's the

1736
01:30:04,920 --> 01:30:07,740
singer? And all of a sudden this
guy comes through us, pushing us

1737
01:30:07,740 --> 01:30:09,900
like we're thinking, he's trying
to get to the front of the

1738
01:30:09,900 --> 01:30:12,720
stage, like he's trying to get
to the stage. He was trying to

1739
01:30:12,720 --> 01:30:17,220
get to the stage. There's a
young guy named Brian Adams, 18

1740
01:30:17,220 --> 01:30:20,540
or whatever. He got up there,
and he blew us away, still doing

1741
01:30:20,540 --> 01:30:23,720
it, still doing it, still
singing the same key, but he got

1742
01:30:23,720 --> 01:30:27,380
up there. So lover boy, stop
trying. From their heyday when

1743
01:30:27,380 --> 01:30:31,160
they had laser light shows was,
yeah, I've never saw rush. Never

1744
01:30:31,160 --> 01:30:35,660
saw rush living. How can you be
a bass player? I know never saw

1745
01:30:35,660 --> 01:30:39,800
rush. I did go see I did go see
him. Get it. Oh, he's right,

1746
01:30:39,800 --> 01:30:42,040
yeah, he's right. But I did go
see giddy Lee was doing a book

1747
01:30:42,040 --> 01:30:45,940
signing a couple years ago
downtown, at that basement. So I

1748
01:30:45,940 --> 01:30:47,920
thought I bought the book, this
beautiful book of all these

1749
01:30:47,920 --> 01:30:51,880
bases he's collected. And I went
down there because he was going

1750
01:30:51,880 --> 01:30:54,280
to sign, he's going to do a
little speaking thing, whatever,

1751
01:30:54,280 --> 01:30:57,160
and he was going to sign the
books. So I go down there not

1752
01:30:57,160 --> 01:30:59,980
thinking to myself, what's,
what's the new base? The big

1753
01:30:59,980 --> 01:31:02,640
one, that's the base, basement
east. That's east, right, yeah,

1754
01:31:02,640 --> 01:31:04,980
what's the original one? Called
just the basement of the

1755
01:31:04,980 --> 01:31:07,380
basement? Yep, just the base.
And then Grimes was upstairs.

1756
01:31:07,620 --> 01:31:11,580
Okay, so I go to the basement
East. I when I had to park like,

1757
01:31:11,580 --> 01:31:15,180
10 blocks away, I thought, Uh
oh, this is probably going to be

1758
01:31:15,180 --> 01:31:20,540
packed. This place was super
packed. And then he gets up

1759
01:31:20,540 --> 01:31:23,120
there to do a little bit of a
question and answer with two of

1760
01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:26,000
his producers, or whatever, and
then they started asking

1761
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:30,020
questions. And it reminded me
of, did you ever see the SNL

1762
01:31:30,020 --> 01:31:34,460
skit where William Shatner comes
out to the it's all the Star

1763
01:31:34,460 --> 01:31:35,540
Trek nerds, whatever,

1764
01:31:35,660 --> 01:31:38,480
and they're asking guys, you
need to move on. Have you ever

1765
01:31:38,480 --> 01:31:40,900
kissed a girl so

1766
01:31:42,220 --> 01:31:45,340
so these people are saying, the
one lady, God love her. She gets

1767
01:31:45,340 --> 01:31:48,220
up, she goes. So my 12 year old
son is learning to play the

1768
01:31:48,220 --> 01:31:52,000
bass. Do you have any any advice
for him? And, you know, get his

1769
01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:56,500
like this with his, get the
glasses. Dad's like practice.

1770
01:31:56,920 --> 01:32:00,040
He's just, he couldn't have been
any more enthused that now that

1771
01:32:00,040 --> 01:32:03,960
night, anyway, he he goes to
sign the books, and they start a

1772
01:32:03,960 --> 01:32:07,140
lineup, and I'm way at the back
because I didn't want to be up.

1773
01:32:07,140 --> 01:32:10,680
I'm way at the back wall, yeah.
And I thought this is probably

1774
01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:15,000
going to take an hour, four
hours later, oh my gosh. I like,

1775
01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:18,120
I wanted to get that book sign.
That's what I was there for,

1776
01:32:18,300 --> 01:32:21,380
like, so I go up there. I
finally get up there, he's like,

1777
01:32:21,380 --> 01:32:24,020
What do you want? Cat? Can
imagine how tired he is just

1778
01:32:24,020 --> 01:32:27,440
signing these books. Yeah. And I
said, Hey, Gideon from, I'm from

1779
01:32:27,440 --> 01:32:32,420
Moncton, New Brunswick. I said,
big, big, big fan, whatever. And

1780
01:32:32,420 --> 01:32:37,580
he's just and he's writing and
he's writing and he's writing,

1781
01:32:37,580 --> 01:32:41,080
and I'm thinking, He's man, he's
writing a book for me, whatever.

1782
01:32:41,080 --> 01:32:44,620
And it passes the book back
over. Says, Thank you, whatever.

1783
01:32:44,620 --> 01:32:47,980
And I'm scooted out whatever. I
walk all the way back to my car,

1784
01:32:47,980 --> 01:32:50,860
10 blocks, where I get in there,
I open this up to read it, and

1785
01:32:50,860 --> 01:32:58,240
it says, Thanks, Brian. No way.
That's all. It's wanted to

1786
01:32:58,240 --> 01:33:02,460
keep making it look like you, I
don't know. Yeah, thanks, Brian.

1787
01:33:02,940 --> 01:33:03,120
He's

1788
01:33:03,120 --> 01:33:06,600
kind of a jokester, but I mean,
four hours of signing books, Oh,

1789
01:33:06,600 --> 01:33:08,640
I get it torture. Oh,
absolutely,

1790
01:33:08,640 --> 01:33:11,400
did he hide it? He made it look
like he was writing all this

1791
01:33:11,400 --> 01:33:12,660
stuff. And then he just, I

1792
01:33:12,660 --> 01:33:15,420
couldn't see that, like where he
was. I just could see that his

1793
01:33:15,420 --> 01:33:17,400
hand was going like this. I
thought he's writing a book

1794
01:33:17,400 --> 01:33:20,040
there, or whatever. And then it
was, I should have brought the

1795
01:33:20,040 --> 01:33:22,460
book to show you. It just says
thanks. Brian had a little

1796
01:33:22,460 --> 01:33:26,660
smiley face. That's amazing. And
then they used to play less than

1797
01:33:26,660 --> 01:33:29,960
a mile down from where I grew
up, at a was a French college

1798
01:33:29,960 --> 01:33:33,200
down there. They played the what
they had the first drummer,

1799
01:33:33,200 --> 01:33:35,240
John. John was

1800
01:33:35,240 --> 01:33:39,140
the first drummer, working man,
rutsy, run, see,

1801
01:33:39,200 --> 01:33:40,780
he went on. He went

1802
01:33:40,780 --> 01:33:44,080
on, he went to be a bodybuilder.
Oh, really, yes, like Joe Pisco.

1803
01:33:44,080 --> 01:33:47,500
Oh, really. And, you know, but
it's funny. It's like, does he

1804
01:33:47,500 --> 01:33:51,040
kick himself for not seeing it
through the Pete Best? Would

1805
01:33:51,040 --> 01:33:55,840
they have been? Would they have
been as big without Neil? I

1806
01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:56,740
doubt it. Oh,

1807
01:33:56,740 --> 01:33:59,500
I doubt it. I always tease.
Hilarious. I'm more of a ROTC

1808
01:33:59,500 --> 01:34:07,440
guy. Does Larry? Oh yeah, I
think that's what he first. I

1809
01:34:07,440 --> 01:34:11,160
could be wrong, but I think
Larry's bacon, like, like, one

1810
01:34:11,160 --> 01:34:13,620
of my favorite bass players is
Jimmy Johnson, and plays with

1811
01:34:13,620 --> 01:34:17,640
Lee Sklar, plays with James
Taylor, yeah, and I had no idea,

1812
01:34:17,640 --> 01:34:20,700
because I don't follow the
music. Larry falls, but Fleming

1813
01:34:20,700 --> 01:34:24,380
the BBs, I think is okay. And
the James is cool. And so he

1814
01:34:24,380 --> 01:34:26,960
introduced me to that when I
told him I like Jimmy Johnson,

1815
01:34:26,960 --> 01:34:30,620
and Larry listens to a lot of
that stuff. Yeah, yeah. He'll be

1816
01:34:30,620 --> 01:34:34,760
on the plane. What are you
writing? Charting out some drum

1817
01:34:34,760 --> 01:34:37,940
thing, and there's no white left
on the paper. It's just all

1818
01:34:37,940 --> 01:34:39,020
black, all black.

1819
01:34:39,200 --> 01:34:42,700
That's amazing. I got, we have
to get Larry on the show. I

1820
01:34:42,700 --> 01:34:45,760
mean, you have to, oh my God,
he's just such a well, he's just

1821
01:34:45,760 --> 01:34:46,780
such a good drummer. Can

1822
01:34:46,780 --> 01:34:49,120
I? Can I be on two at the same
time? I'll just sit there and

1823
01:34:49,120 --> 01:34:51,100
not say a word, sit right there.
Yeah, they got the third chair.

1824
01:34:51,100 --> 01:34:54,040
I'll be right there. Yeah. Well,
because he's shy, he's super shy

1825
01:34:54,100 --> 01:34:56,200
bringing up. I'll bring two or
three more of those bottles.

1826
01:34:57,280 --> 01:35:00,240
He's, he's super shy. I'll make
it even better. I'll play. Air

1827
01:35:00,240 --> 01:35:00,900
drums.

1828
01:35:01,980 --> 01:35:05,640
Have him sing it, and then you
play the air drums. You guys

1829
01:35:05,640 --> 01:35:07,980
must have a super fun bus. But
hey, I was gonna tell you

1830
01:35:07,980 --> 01:35:11,040
tomorrow. I got a tracking day
over at my friend Tony Morris.

1831
01:35:11,040 --> 01:35:13,260
You know Tony was on the show.
He's the first guy in Nashville

1832
01:35:13,260 --> 01:35:17,640
to float the floors and put a
studio in his garage. It sounds

1833
01:35:17,640 --> 01:35:21,080
like the power station in New
York. It's incredible. So I'm

1834
01:35:21,080 --> 01:35:24,860
doing four tracks for a singer
songwriter, kind of a rock, rock

1835
01:35:24,860 --> 01:35:28,760
and roll kind of a thing. Lee
Sklar is gonna play big. Get out

1836
01:35:28,760 --> 01:35:31,160
of here? Yeah, he's here
tomorrow. No, he lives in

1837
01:35:31,160 --> 01:35:35,060
Pasadena, so my I'll be tracking
in Franklin. Then we'll take my

1838
01:35:35,060 --> 01:35:37,940
drumming and turn it into little
ones and zeros and send it over

1839
01:35:37,940 --> 01:35:39,020
the internet. Waves.

1840
01:35:41,240 --> 01:35:43,900
You asked me a favor. Lee was my
first inspiration, right?

1841
01:35:43,960 --> 01:35:48,040
Lee was the stuff on Carole
King's tapestry, anything

1842
01:35:48,040 --> 01:35:52,060
he's done, like running on empty
by Jackson Browne is like one of

1843
01:35:52,060 --> 01:35:56,380
my top five albums, and he's
just anything he does. I got to

1844
01:35:56,380 --> 01:35:59,800
meet him briefly. He was playing
nice as God. He was doing a show

1845
01:35:59,800 --> 01:36:02,940
with Harry Shearer's wife,
forgetting her name, right?

1846
01:36:02,940 --> 01:36:06,000
Harry Shearer, Harry Shearer's
wife, yeah, final tap, right?

1847
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:09,000
Yeah. She's a great piano
player. And he was just, it's

1848
01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:15,900
just the two of them. Just the
two. I need some drums. Yeah,

1849
01:36:15,900 --> 01:36:19,020
that's one of my favorites. But
yeah, he played there. He's so

1850
01:36:19,020 --> 01:36:21,860
smooth. And then when Jimmy
Johnson took over his spot, and

1851
01:36:21,860 --> 01:36:26,960
James Taylor is just, just the
bands with Steve Gadd. And I

1852
01:36:27,500 --> 01:36:30,140
remember going to see James
Taylor at TPACK, and I didn't

1853
01:36:30,140 --> 01:36:32,000
know who the drummer was. I'm
like, Who's this guy? I was

1854
01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:36,500
expecting. Steve Jordan had been
filling in for a while, and I

1855
01:36:36,500 --> 01:36:39,320
thought Jordan was going to be
there, or this is what James

1856
01:36:39,320 --> 01:36:42,100
Taylor, or gad Yeah. And I was
like, Who's that guy? I didn't

1857
01:36:42,100 --> 01:36:46,360
know it was Keith Carlock, yeah.
And I had no idea who he was. I

1858
01:36:46,360 --> 01:36:50,020
went to school with Keith. I
knew he would change. He killed

1859
01:36:50,020 --> 01:36:51,760
it. He killed it that night.
Killed it.

1860
01:36:51,760 --> 01:36:55,240
He lives in Franklin, Tennessee.
I never see him, Keith, what's

1861
01:36:55,300 --> 01:36:58,000
up? We keep I've asked him to be
on the show. He's and I got him

1862
01:36:58,000 --> 01:37:00,840
at a particular time when he
was, like, taking a break from

1863
01:37:01,260 --> 01:37:04,560
media right now. I'm like,
That's mad respect, man. Wow.

1864
01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:06,480
You know, you know me. If
somebody asked me to be on a

1865
01:37:06,480 --> 01:37:09,600
podcast, I'm like, when you
know, yeah, yeah. Well, that

1866
01:37:09,600 --> 01:37:12,120
being said, rich, can I get you
on my podcast? Oh, I was my

1867
01:37:12,300 --> 01:37:13,320
third appearance, right

1868
01:37:14,520 --> 01:37:17,520
second. So I make sure that the
angle is good. Last time it was

1869
01:37:17,520 --> 01:37:20,900
bad, I looked like I I looked
like I had eaten, you know, 12

1870
01:37:20,900 --> 01:37:21,380
pizzas.

1871
01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:26,060
That's exactly what I was
thinking. You're

1872
01:37:26,300 --> 01:37:28,160
not gonna get chance rich looks
so

1873
01:37:28,220 --> 01:37:29,480
freaking fast

1874
01:37:29,480 --> 01:37:31,700
this angle. Oh, my God. Hey. So

1875
01:37:33,200 --> 01:37:36,020
when I asked for a little, just
some bullet points on you,

1876
01:37:36,020 --> 01:37:39,500
you're like, ain't no Wiki on
me. You're so funny. But if,

1877
01:37:39,500 --> 01:37:42,280
what if somebody wants to like a
Wikipedia. What if somebody

1878
01:37:42,280 --> 01:37:44,200
wants to get in touch with you?
What's the best way?

1879
01:37:44,260 --> 01:37:47,140
I'm very private, nobody. I love
that about

1880
01:37:48,400 --> 01:37:51,160
I still have my my so I never
got rid of the social media

1881
01:37:51,160 --> 01:37:56,020
pages because, like, I thought,
if I get rid of Facebook, I

1882
01:37:56,020 --> 01:37:58,900
think a lot of people still get
a hold you through messenger,

1883
01:37:58,900 --> 01:38:01,260
like they sure do. They don't
know how well. So I kept

1884
01:38:01,260 --> 01:38:04,320
Facebook for that nice I still
have my Instagram account, but

1885
01:38:04,860 --> 01:38:07,020
then I get on there in time. Are
you a

1886
01:38:07,560 --> 01:38:10,860
is it a quirky name, like Brian
plays bass, or is it just, I

1887
01:38:11,040 --> 01:38:11,280
think

1888
01:38:11,280 --> 01:38:12,540
it's BFA?

1889
01:38:14,700 --> 01:38:16,320
I don't even know you know that
terrible. So

1890
01:38:16,320 --> 01:38:18,840
you know what'll happen if you
type in your name into the

1891
01:38:18,840 --> 01:38:22,280
Google Nader, Brian Arsenault
base, all your social pages will

1892
01:38:22,280 --> 01:38:23,180
come up. Oh, really,

1893
01:38:23,180 --> 01:38:27,500
I actually did that, yeah, and
it's kind of cool. What's it

1894
01:38:27,500 --> 01:38:30,620
say, Jessica? Because one of the
pictures you look like Chris

1895
01:38:30,620 --> 01:38:31,160
Evans,

1896
01:38:32,060 --> 01:38:35,120
who's that? I'll bitch. It's
cool. Marvel, yeah, capital

1897
01:38:35,120 --> 01:38:35,540
America,

1898
01:38:35,540 --> 01:38:38,840
I know why you got the PAM job.
Why? And not only a great bass

1899
01:38:38,840 --> 01:38:41,320
player, great hang but she
probably thought you were

1900
01:38:41,320 --> 01:38:42,220
handsome, so

1901
01:38:43,420 --> 01:38:46,660
she was the high cheek bones
man. She's cute. Yeah,

1902
01:38:46,840 --> 01:38:49,720
we got some good stories on
those days, but probably can't

1903
01:38:49,720 --> 01:38:53,380
tell them. James Lana, oh yeah,
chicken, you know, there's

1904
01:38:53,380 --> 01:38:55,300
there. Can I tell one good
please.

1905
01:38:55,300 --> 01:38:56,440
Was she a nice person?

1906
01:38:56,440 --> 01:39:00,120
Pam is a new nice boss, and she
knew what she wanted, and she

1907
01:39:00,120 --> 01:39:01,980
would not stop until she got

1908
01:39:01,980 --> 01:39:04,380
why can't we get? Well, let's
get her on. That's such a big

1909
01:39:04,380 --> 01:39:05,460
part of your history. Yeah,

1910
01:39:05,700 --> 01:39:09,360
yeah, I want to be there again.
Yeah. Now we were, we were doing

1911
01:39:09,360 --> 01:39:12,540
a gig with Pam. We were going to
California. Yeah, we were at the

1912
01:39:12,540 --> 01:39:16,560
National Airport, and it was
busy that day, and me, and me

1913
01:39:16,560 --> 01:39:19,440
and Richard, just two young
guys, just all excited. We're

1914
01:39:19,440 --> 01:39:23,120
sitting there with our backs of
the window, like waiting for the

1915
01:39:23,120 --> 01:39:28,760
plane, whatever busy. And James
Pennebaker, our tour manager, he

1916
01:39:28,760 --> 01:39:31,880
was, he had his briefcase, and
he had to go to the bathroom.

1917
01:39:32,240 --> 01:39:35,000
And he goes, Hey guys, watch my
briefcase. I gotta go to the

1918
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bathroom. You see where this is
going. Watch my briefcase. We're

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going to the bathroom. And so me
and rich, we board the plane,

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we're sitting together, we're
still partying and stuff. We're

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01:39:43,900 --> 01:39:46,660
just being crazy, and we're
like, where is James?

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Everybody's on the plane, and
here he comes. He's coming down

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the aisle, and he's just glaring
at us. And Rich is looking at

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me, going, what's wrong? What's
wrong with him? But why was he

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looking at us like that? And he
comes up to us, and. Course.

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We'd left his briefcase sitting
there in the airport, and he had

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all the all

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the money, all the cash, tons of
cash. We just left it there. We

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01:40:09,660 --> 01:40:14,940
just left his briefcase full of
money, his laptop, everything

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just sitting there.

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Could tell you the time we're in
Seattle and rich ordered the all

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you could eat sushi for the
table. And everybody said, Who

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ordered all that? And because it
was like, what you don't eat,

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you have to pay for you have to
pay for us what the sign said.

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So it was Lana and James and me.
I didn't even eat sushi at the

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time, and Lana and James said,
I'm not paying for that. And

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Rich, I mean, there must have
been

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01:40:41,060 --> 01:40:42,460
25 rolls there

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01:40:43,960 --> 01:40:45,580
Rich. Rich started eating and

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01:40:45,700 --> 01:40:50,920
eating and eating. He started
hiding stuff under ashtrays, in

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01:40:50,980 --> 01:40:55,240
flower pots, everything. And the
guy is amazing. The girl came

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01:40:55,240 --> 01:40:58,600
over and said, and you said,
Ma'am, there's still half. You

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01:40:58,600 --> 01:41:02,940
said, she looks at him, he looks
at her and says, I just, I

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01:41:02,940 --> 01:41:05,700
didn't know about the sizes. I
just, I just can't eat all this

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01:41:05,700 --> 01:41:08,460
stuff. She goes, Oh, we just put
that up there. She goes, You

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01:41:08,460 --> 01:41:09,120
don't pay for that.

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Are you serious? But that's the
thing, is that you didn't.

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01:41:13,080 --> 01:41:15,900
They're talking about the stuff
that's still left in the, you

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01:41:15,900 --> 01:41:20,540
know, the sneeze guard area. Oh,
maybe, okay, that's a joke. You

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didn't, you didn't get that what
he was purple. If you, if you,

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you order all you can eat, you
you're gonna pay for what you

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01:41:27,800 --> 01:41:30,320
don't eat. So that's all. It's a
joke. It's like, Haha, because

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01:41:30,320 --> 01:41:32,300
it's all left in a buffet.

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You, I thought it was, they were
serious. You were purple. You

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01:41:35,780 --> 01:41:37,880
were you were turning purple and
blue,

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not green.

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Oh, there was a game. It was a
day off. It was a day

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01:41:43,480 --> 01:41:46,000
it was a day off. Yeah, I can
eat like that. Before a show, I

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01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:48,400
started eating sushi. After
that, I had a few pieces,

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01:41:48,400 --> 01:41:51,940
yeah, after that, was introduced
to mercury poisoning, I

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01:41:51,940 --> 01:41:56,260
could not decide what to eat
today. It was like I I did my

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01:41:56,260 --> 01:42:00,360
fast, and then I was today, I
was ready to eat, so I drove by

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01:42:00,360 --> 01:42:04,860
brugers. I drove by Pete sushi.
I couldn't decide, do I want

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01:42:04,860 --> 01:42:07,800
sushi? Do I want eggs on a
bagel? I ended up with third

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01:42:07,800 --> 01:42:10,440
watch with, like, eating a bunch
of eggs and first watches.

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01:42:10,440 --> 01:42:15,600
What's that? First watch? Third
Watch, first watch, first watch.

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01:42:16,680 --> 01:42:21,260
Third Watch is a television
show. Sorry, it's a it's a

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01:42:21,380 --> 01:42:24,860
police procedural. Is it third
one? Okay? I think that's so

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01:42:24,860 --> 01:42:28,880
funny. I can't remember third or
fourth, third or first even say

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01:42:28,880 --> 01:42:35,120
second watch, the third watch is
a television show. Is it? It was

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like, about 15 years ago, okay?
It was like, the life of a

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01:42:37,880 --> 01:42:38,180
police

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01:42:38,180 --> 01:42:41,080
officer is Los Angeles. We
haven't even been on a second

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glass.

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01:42:41,320 --> 01:42:45,400
Well, you know what? I know?
Okay, so everybody you know look

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01:42:45,400 --> 01:42:50,740
up Brian Arsenal on the
internet. It's a r, s, e n, a,

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U, L, T. I love reminiscing down
the memory. Congratulations on

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01:42:55,780 --> 01:42:59,020
all your success. I'm super
happy for you. You're a bass

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01:42:59,020 --> 01:43:03,540
player. That is a homeowner. You
and I can go smoke cigars at the

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mission. We have a great time.
Jim wasn't this fun. It was.

1981
01:43:07,620 --> 01:43:10,200
It's not. It's fun catching up
with an old friend and then just

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01:43:10,200 --> 01:43:12,600
being happy for their success. I
mean, this is a tough business

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01:43:12,600 --> 01:43:12,780
man,

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01:43:14,460 --> 01:43:16,620
when I get the job as their
drummer,

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01:43:18,720 --> 01:43:21,740
Jim is out there. He's doing,
but he just doesn't have the

1986
01:43:21,740 --> 01:43:24,620
time family claiming. Man, huh?
I name it and claim it. Well, he

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01:43:24,620 --> 01:43:26,660
does, yeah, that's how he got
this, Huey. That's Huey. It's

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01:43:26,660 --> 01:43:27,680
what you got to do. I met

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01:43:27,680 --> 01:43:29,960
the guy from the Huey band, and
I said, I'm going to be your

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01:43:29,960 --> 01:43:32,960
drummer. Just accept it now.
Yeah, which Resistance is

1991
01:43:32,960 --> 01:43:36,020
futile? Which guy was that?
Well, he was, he's, I mean,

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01:43:36,020 --> 01:43:38,060
these are guys that, you know,
have day jobs and stuff like

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01:43:38,060 --> 01:43:41,800
that, the tribute band. So he
owns a flooring company here

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01:43:41,800 --> 01:43:45,100
locally, but the band is based
out of California, and his

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01:43:45,100 --> 01:43:46,420
brother is the Huey

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01:43:47,440 --> 01:43:50,440
Roger. Hey, maybe, maybe when I
pull the carpets out of my

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01:43:50,440 --> 01:43:53,140
house, I could hire him to do
the floors. Yeah, you

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01:43:53,140 --> 01:43:56,260
Ben that you're playing with is
based out of California, yeah.

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01:43:56,260 --> 01:43:57,160
Oh, wow. And they

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01:43:57,160 --> 01:43:59,560
play all over the country.
They've got different, you know,

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01:43:59,980 --> 01:44:03,240
segments of musicians in parts
of the country. Life's gonna be

2002
01:44:03,240 --> 01:44:06,180
the Spring Hill drummer. My
brother is gonna be playing with

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01:44:06,180 --> 01:44:06,840
them as well.

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01:44:06,900 --> 01:44:09,120
Yeah, amazing, yeah, I think

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01:44:09,120 --> 01:44:14,640
huey's guitar player. Son lives
next to our steel player. Up in

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01:44:14,640 --> 01:44:15,780
Hendersonville. There

2007
01:44:15,780 --> 01:44:17,040
is somebody,

2008
01:44:18,240 --> 01:44:21,500
maybe no one of the guys when
they played the Franklin

2009
01:44:21,500 --> 01:44:28,880
theater. Sean the keyboard
player, yeah. Sean, that guy,

2010
01:44:29,240 --> 01:44:34,820
yeah. He was at the show. Huey's
keyboard player,

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okay, well, Jim, we're just
happy you have this outlet, man,

2012
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because you work so hard. You
know, 20 podcasts. Yeah, it's a

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01:44:40,240 --> 01:44:43,780
lot going on. Brian, thanks
buddy. Yeah, I appreciate you.

2014
01:44:43,840 --> 01:44:46,060
Thank you guys for having me. I
appreciate the thing. Oh, it's

2015
01:44:46,060 --> 01:44:48,280
so exciting. People are looking
at the list of who you're a

2016
01:44:48,280 --> 01:44:52,060
great storyteller. You know,
I've got more. You got more. I

2017
01:44:52,060 --> 01:44:54,940
love it. He's a great story.
Jim, thanks for your time and

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tell us and to all the
listeners, we sure do appreciate

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01:44:57,280 --> 01:45:01,020
it. Be sure to subscribe, share,
rate and review. And so many of

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01:45:01,020 --> 01:45:03,480
you have been going to Apple
podcasts and leaving us a five

2021
01:45:03,480 --> 01:45:07,200
star rating and leaving us a
nice review. So thank you. We do

2022
01:45:07,200 --> 01:45:10,920
appreciate it, and we'll see you
next time. Thanks. Brian, thank

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01:45:10,920 --> 01:45:11,700
you. Thanks, Jim,

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this has been the rich Redmond
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