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You are listening to the USDN on the

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No!

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What is up, everybody?

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And no, your eyes do not deceive you.

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The USDN is live for the second night

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in a row.

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That means your fella here, the chairman,

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is doing overtime,

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and I couldn't be happier to do it.

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Tonight, I am bringing you Apogee.

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Apogee.

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Apogee Comets with Nick Garber,

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Matthew Yasso.

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Hasso.

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Hasso.

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Fuck.

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Fuck.

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Heart stroke,

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which I can pronounce pretty easily.

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So this interview tonight all came about

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because I was interviewing Ben Lacey with

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Shark of War.

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And I was complimenting the art on the

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new issues.

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And like no kidding,

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a couple of days later, heart stroke.

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sent me a screenshot of me talking about

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him going, Hey, that's me.

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And I thought it was awesome that he

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was just like, Hey,

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all I can see is like EOS guy

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on WWE.

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Like it's me.

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So I thought that was really cool.

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And then this interview was born from

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that.

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He's like, Hey,

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I'm working on this new project.

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can I bring in the whole team for

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that project?

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And I was like, a whole team?

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Like, absolutely.

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Let's do it.

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And we're here tonight to do it.

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And I'll let everybody here give

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themselves their own little introduction

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so we all know kind of what role

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they play within this.

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So we'll start over here with Nick.

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Go for it, man.

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Hey, I'm Nick Garber.

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I'm the president and CFO,

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Chief Financial Officer of Apogee Comics.

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I'm also creator of most of the books

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within that world.

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I've been doing independent comics since

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twenty twelve with my first title called

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Phantom Hawk.

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And I've worked with Starcross Comics.

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I've done a lot of stuff.

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So I've been around for a little bit

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and it's been a real growing experience.

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Matt, we'll hop over to you, man.

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My name is Matthew Hasso.

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I pretend to be a freelance writer.

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And every so often people message me at

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eleven o'clock at night and tell me I'm

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writing their comic.

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And I say, send me a picture.

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And then we get here.

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Awesome.

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Awesome.

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Harsh, over to you, man.

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I'm Harsh Shrook.

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I just draw.

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I've been doing it like for three years

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now.

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That's it.

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Just working on

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shark of war and being lucky to work

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with nick and matt with quick wire yeah

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so that's it i like it fellas i

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like it actually and to only be at

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it for three years dude that is impressive

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i'm not even gonna lie and i've seen

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your art that's impressive as hell dude no

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joke i've been drawing actually for five

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years or so uh i start in at

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university actually

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okay never draw when i was a little

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kid i just like comic books but i

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was really lazy with that um when i

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was doing my degree in marketing i really

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didn't like it so i wanted to be

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a filmmaker but it was so messy because

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didn't have money for the actors and stuff

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so next thing was to to draw comic

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books and i start and after my degree

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i start to draw um just like train

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myself like an athlete um yeah just start

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three years ago

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No, that's really cool, dude.

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I know a lot of comic book artists

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who initially started out wanting to do

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film and then transitioned over to the

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comic book side.

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And honestly,

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there's some very impressive artists out

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there that are like that.

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So let's talk about the company itself,

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guys.

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So back in twenty seventeen,

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this started out as two separate

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companies,

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Gorilla Comets and Move the World,

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and then they merged together.

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What was that like at the time with

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it being two separate companies and then

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y'all bringing it together to make one?

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It was pretty seamless because it was four

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dudes that were of like-minded...

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like goals of what we wanted to do.

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So it was me and Ray Merrick.

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We were part of gorilla comics and he's

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like, Hey man.

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And I was going to mighty con in

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St.

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Louis.

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Okay.

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He's like, Hey,

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there's this guy named Jay Sloan and this

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guy named Dave Norton.

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They have this book called transgenesis

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and the artwork's really good.

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And I think we should talk to these

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guys when you're here.

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So at the time I was living in

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South Texas and I flew over to St.

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Louis, you know, hung out with Ray,

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did some drink and draw things.

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And then we hit the con and he's

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like, Hey man, let's go meet Jay.

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Cause he'd been talking to him on like

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Facebook or something like that.

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I'm like, cool.

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Uh, Dave wasn't there.

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He was still in Texas.

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He didn't go to that con.

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So we go over there and I look

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at Jay Sloan's work, impressive ink work.

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Um,

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You know, heavy blacks,

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which kind of worked for the subject

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matter that you're working with.

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I'm like, all right, cool.

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So like, Hey,

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let's all go to dinner and, uh,

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see what's what.

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So, and that's how it started.

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Went to dinner.

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We had a great time.

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We talked about comics.

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We talked about the comic business.

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We talked about any comics and kind of

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what we wanted to achieve.

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And we wanted to kind of have an

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image style as a,

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like as a business model.

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Okay.

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Apogee would own nothing other than the

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Apogee A.

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All the comics are independent and owned

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by their creators.

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And we're just going to come over here

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and it's going to be a conglomerate.

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It's going to be a group effort to

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make these things work.

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Okay,

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it's very similar to what Image did back

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in the nineties when everything's

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independently owned.

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Just Image does the printing part of it,

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basically.

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But it's all maintained ownership by the

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creator.

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Yeah, and so with Image,

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if anybody has a falling out,

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it makes the divorce part, quote unquote,

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easy.

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Yeah.

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We had access to each other's characters

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if we wanted to use Just Ask.

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That was the only thing that we kind

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of put in the business model.

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I was like, hey,

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let me know if you want to use

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Phantom Hawk.

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Let me know if you want to use

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some of these other characters.

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And then I would ask if I wanted

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to use anybody from Transgenesis,

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because that was kind of like the only

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two books that we had.

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so i think it came finalized summer later

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that summer for uh we're like hey let's

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let's form this company let's let's just

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merge together and just kill it in indie

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comics and everyone agreed i'm like all

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right cool so yeah that's kind of how

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the company started i like it and matthew

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how did you become involved in all this

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Do you want the current,

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like the phase four of my life where

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I'm actually doing this now?

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No,

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start out with where I drunkenly texted

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you.

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That's the perfect story right there.

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That's the story we want to go with.

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Ten percent truth is all we need.

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So the short of it is I had

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tried to do my own comic for a

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long time.

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And then...

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Blah, blah, blah, yakety, schmackety.

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Kind of when it didn't do what I

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needed it to really do,

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which was I did not want to Kickstarter

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it.

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I wanted to get somebody to pick it

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up and publish it.

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And it just wasn't there for multiple

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different reasons.

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So I just kind of was like, well...

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maybe this isn't my thing maybe this isn't

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what i need to be doing maybe i'll

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go back to film because i've been doing

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film before then so i kind of played

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with that and then um there was a

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different company who was like hey we're

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looking for talent

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I was like, OK, cool.

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So I submitted some ideas for that.

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And then it was like a button clicked.

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The moment I said, hey,

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let me see if I can be a

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freelance writer.

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It was just like I started getting offers

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out of nowhere.

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It was really weird because Nick and I

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had spoken on and off for probably four

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or five years.

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because that's how i met nick and a

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bunch of the other people was through that

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one group where i found an artist for

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my book and and now yeah but uh

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it was funny because it was just like

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Like I said,

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I'd already had two at that point.

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I think I had two different freelance gigs

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and He and I had talked that I

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think I'd like left a conversation one

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time of like hey If you ever need

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a writer feel free to reach out or

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if you ever want to collab something like

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that Nothing like I need a job,

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but it was like hey, whatever and yeah,

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it was literally like I'm laying down in

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bed to do something and also I get

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a message from Twitter and it's like hey

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You're writing this

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And I was like,

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I don't know what that is.

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What does he look like?

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And he's like, here's a picture.

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And I was like, can you talk tomorrow?

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And he's like, yes.

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I was like, let's talk tomorrow.

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So then I think the next day we

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had a phone conversation and it was

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basically like,

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What would you do?

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This is what I would do.

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What do I need to do?

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How's this?

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And I think we hashed out basically what

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he would become in this two-hour

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conversation that we had.

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And then from there,

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it was just kind of off to the

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races.

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It was just one of those times.

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What is that called?

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The time of your life.

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The era of your life where like, hey,

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this is what I want to do.

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Lightning in the bottle.

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yeah so i just was just and then

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it just kind of steamed you know built

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momentum from there and um i think that

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some of the other stuff i had done

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i was kind of like i was having

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fun but it wasn't what i wanted to

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do

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And I was literally about to once again

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go, you know what?

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I'm going to do my own thing.

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And then Nick was like, well,

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now that you're done with this,

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I have this other thing.

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And it was like, you know what?

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And another thing.

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And another thing.

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Just unpack your bags.

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But I mean, honestly, what it was is,

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I wanted to write stories,

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not little clips, not eight pages,

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ten pages, single issue.

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I wanted like, hey, let's have a story.

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That's four issues.

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Let's tell a story.

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That's four issues.

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Another one that's for another one's for

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like a full arc.

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And yeah.

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And Nick was one of the only guys

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that was like, do that.

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You know, I love you, baby.

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I love you.

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yeah so it was like literally i think

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when we finally locked down what we were

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gonna do with quick wire i was like

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all right i'm gonna write this first

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script and i think i had the first

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opening that you've probably read of of

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him doing the bank robbers actually no i

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didn't get to read any of quick wire

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I actually sent you some pages.

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Oh, did you really?

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Yeah, in the last email.

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Oh, okay.

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Yeah.

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That's my bad, then,

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because I don't know why.

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I got the press release,

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and it must have been within the press

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release.

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So after this... Well, it's five pages.

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You read harsh.

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Nick and I are going to talk for

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a second.

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Go ahead.

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So next issue.

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So I know from...

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you just brought up quick wire and quick

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wire is what brings in harsh stroke at

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this point to be the artist on it.

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How did y'all find this gentleman here?

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And kind of like,

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how did that come about?

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That's my, my, yeah, he was somebody.

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So one of the other companies, uh,

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I think he had either submitted for the

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other company or we had seen his work

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and it was like, yeah,

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it was something like that.

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So then he was on the, like the,

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cause that guy does tons of stuff.

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He's got like, he's got like,

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he's got like, he's got like,

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he's got like, he's got like,

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he's got like, he's got like,

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he's got like, he's got like,

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he's got like,

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He's been, he's been on the deck.

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Hear me out.

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Yeah.

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I haven't found anything for him to do,

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but, but like his, his stuff looks solid.

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And I think it was literally like,

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you know, I don't know if,

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I think he remembers this as I was

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like, all right,

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let's just pay him to do the pencils

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for the first five pages.

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And if it works,

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he gets the whole series.

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Because that was the big thing for me.

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I didn't want to hire an artist for

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an issue.

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I wanted to hire an artist to be

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with me for the whole run.

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So it was like, all right.

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It does make collaboration easily.

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Yes.

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Especially because I think by the time...

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We officially brought him on.

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I want to say like three of the

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issues were already written.

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So we knew where everything was going.

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So yeah, we said, hey,

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just pencil these five.

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Let us see what it is.

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And he came back and we kind of

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worked a little bit and it just was

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awesome.

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And I was like, all right,

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this is the guy.

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We don't need to test anybody else out.

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You didn't actually think I was going to

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get the job, actually.

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I'm just terrible.

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Take it.

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No, I will vouch for the dude personally.

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I got to read Shark of War eight

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and nine.

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Well, nine, he's still kind of working on,

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but the stuff that he's done for Ben

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Lacey over at Shark of War,

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impressive as hell.

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I really liked it.

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I enjoyed seeing the evolution of the

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artwork over there anyway.

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And then to where it got to harsh,

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it was like,

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it become a totally different book in my

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eyes with the way he was able to

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show emotions on a shark of all things

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it is really cool like i'm like dude

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you made a shark have emotions and just

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and how facial features that denoted

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emotions i'm like

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it takes a special type of artist to

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do that kind of stuff.

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And he, he nailed that dude.

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So y'all got a good one on your

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hands.

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I can say that for sure.

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Oh yeah.

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He was, it was,

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it's been a lot of fun work with

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him.

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The quick wire is a very funny book

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and it's a very kind of careful, like,

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this can be really dumb if the artist

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doesn't understand the jokes and the

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funny.

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And there was a lot of the stuff

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that he, in my opinion,

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he made the joke better.

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You know, like there, there was the, the,

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the part with the,

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when he whips him with his wet shirt

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and it was just like, like, okay,

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this could, this,

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this is one of those things that,

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that may not work.

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And then when he drew it,

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I was like, no, this is hilarious.

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Yeah.

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Like he didn't move the camera.

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It was just straight up medium shot

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profiles of quick wire responding to be

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having water thrown on him.

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And he's just like,

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You know,

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and I before we even put the letters

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on it,

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because I've read the script so many

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times, I was like,

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this is what's happening.

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This is hilarious.

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I like it.

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And he didn't take it's not that he

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didn't take chances.

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He took chances a lot in the books

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and how he positioned the camera.

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But for some reason, a static shot,

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medium frame side profile is not really

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interesting.

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And he was able to make it interesting

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and nailed the joke.

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I like it.

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I'm definitely going back after and going

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back to the email.

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I don't know how in the hell I

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missed that,

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but I'm mad at myself because I missed

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it.

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Go ahead.

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It's five pages.

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We'll talk about issue two of Quickfire

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while you're doing that.

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Let me see if I can find it.

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I'm disappointed in myself.

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Do you want me to message it to

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you?

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No, no.

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I got it right here.

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And again,

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I have no idea because I see he

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sent me the cover.

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I see the press release.

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The press release is a PDF.

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If you scroll through the PDF,

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the pages are there.

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Ah, okay.

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Let me find the best Phantom Hawk.

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Here we go.

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Oh, shit.

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You're right.

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It's not my fault, Matt.

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I didn't think it was.

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You're still around.

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You're not getting out that easy, bro.

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but to go back to the art like

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the hardest part about finding an artist

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honestly is that especially at this level

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so many of these guys are doing a

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ton of work that may never be seen

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or if it's seen it's like a year

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later so it's like as you know some

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guys in the that are you know your

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bigger guys like somebody like uh

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like Dan Panosian or Brett Booth,

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like you could go grab their comic,

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look about that issue and go,

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this is the guy I want,

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but like harsh stroke or even some of

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the other artists I've worked with,

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it's like they have their portfolio and

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you just got to cross your fingers that

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that portfolio is what they actually can

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do.

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Or is that portfolio took them six months

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to do five pages.

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And then when they get on the bench,

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it's like, Oh man,

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No, that was, that took you forever.

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Now that you're,

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and not that we're like on a clock,

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a monthly comic, but it's like, Hey, you,

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you gotta do this work.

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We're trying to get, you know,

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some of this stuff to a point where

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we can get it together.

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That's where I can.

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It's funny that you brought up Dan

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Penisian cause I'm a huge fan of his.

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He just did the lost boy or the

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last boy, the, uh,

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the spin on the Neverland book.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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brilliant brilliant work there solid

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artwork i love what he draws conan the

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barbarian anyway dude but i digress no no

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right there yeah i know exactly what

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you're talking about x-men run so yeah

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also good yeah but you know who else

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is awesome heartstroke so without a doubt

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without a doubt

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Wakewater is his claim to fame,

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I'm telling you.

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It's going to make it happen for him.

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I hope so.

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It's always a challenge,

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especially because I have yet to work with

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somebody who lives in the same city as

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me.

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So to try to work through Facebook,

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and the thing I've,

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I don't know if anybody else does this,

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I try to encourage writers to do this,

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is create a group in Facebook and then

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just make the artist post the page.

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And then this way,

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when you're commenting or talking,

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they stick with the page because I've had

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people try and do like,

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let's do it in a chat or text.

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And there's no way to keep track of

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who's talking about what,

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what we're linking to.

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So that was probably one of the biggest

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things that really helped.

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I mean,

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I was doing that back when I was

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doing my own book with that artist is

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like, it just like,

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I think it was a,

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it's just an easy flow thing.

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And you can be specific about, hey,

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this is the page I'm talking about.

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This panel here,

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can we do this or do that?

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And Heartstroke was always good about

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anything that needed to be adjusted or

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changed.

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And then sometimes he'd be like,

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I ain't doing nothing, bro.

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I'm the artist.

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Go write another script and leave.

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No, I'm just kidding.

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You know what, though?

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i was just having this conversation last

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night with uh with styles and lucky devil

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comics is is finding an artist who will

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push back and tell you like hey that

00:21:00.381 --> 00:21:05.701
that isn't gonna work so and it's hard

00:21:05.721 --> 00:21:06.942
to do because they don't want to make

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because you put a band logo you're

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breaking up your oh now we got dinner

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okay i'm on hotel internet i apologize

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No, I completely understand that.

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He's like, hey, man.

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We're like, hey, dude.

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There's this logo on his shirt.

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What is that?

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He's like, oh,

00:21:30.148 --> 00:21:31.449
it's this band that I listen to.

00:21:31.669 --> 00:21:32.628
And we're like, oh,

00:21:32.669 --> 00:21:33.710
we don't want to get sued.

00:21:34.410 --> 00:21:35.470
He's like, don't worry.

00:21:35.509 --> 00:21:35.789
Hold on.

00:21:36.310 --> 00:21:40.152
And then he messages the band,

00:21:40.172 --> 00:21:42.353
promising them a copy of the book.

00:21:43.133 --> 00:21:43.692
And they're like,

00:21:44.012 --> 00:21:46.193
that is so badass and punk, dude.

00:21:46.233 --> 00:21:47.934
Like, yeah, you can use our logo.

00:21:47.994 --> 00:21:48.954
It's totally awesome.

00:21:49.513 --> 00:21:49.794
I'm like,

00:21:49.894 --> 00:21:51.674
I'm going to need screen grabs of them

00:21:51.714 --> 00:21:52.336
saying this shit.

00:21:52.355 --> 00:21:52.516
Yeah.

00:21:54.497 --> 00:21:55.738
Yeah.

00:21:55.758 --> 00:21:58.419
I like keeping my lawyer bored where I

00:21:58.439 --> 00:21:59.539
don't have to do stuff.

00:21:59.640 --> 00:22:02.001
Hey, a bored lawyer is a happy lawyer.

00:22:02.402 --> 00:22:03.541
Yeah.

00:22:03.563 --> 00:22:05.022
And easier on your checkbook.

00:22:05.463 --> 00:22:06.364
Oh, absolutely.

00:22:06.403 --> 00:22:07.825
Especially what this guy charges because

00:22:07.845 --> 00:22:08.826
he's an entertainment lawyer.

00:22:10.138 --> 00:22:12.521
They charge you whatever they want.

00:22:13.143 --> 00:22:13.363
Yeah,

00:22:13.423 --> 00:22:15.425
and they assume that everybody that hires

00:22:15.465 --> 00:22:16.767
them is making Marvel money.

00:22:17.087 --> 00:22:18.589
We are not making Marvel money.

00:22:18.630 --> 00:22:20.653
One day, maybe, hopefully,

00:22:20.692 --> 00:22:22.054
probably long after I'm dead,

00:22:22.074 --> 00:22:24.196
when the fan kids own the company.

00:22:24.637 --> 00:22:25.659
I think you'll be alright.

00:22:26.345 --> 00:22:29.487
Maybe on your bed, you know, as you're,

00:22:29.747 --> 00:22:30.548
you're laying there.

00:22:31.268 --> 00:22:32.568
I'll die with the biggest smile.

00:22:32.588 --> 00:22:33.230
They're like, Oh yeah,

00:22:33.250 --> 00:22:34.951
you're making all this money.

00:22:35.510 --> 00:22:36.731
And then all my artists are paid.

00:22:36.771 --> 00:22:37.633
My writers are paid.

00:22:37.692 --> 00:22:39.794
My EIC is paid, you know,

00:22:39.834 --> 00:22:41.375
and they're all living comfortable lives

00:22:42.316 --> 00:22:43.797
based on the products that we produce,

00:22:43.856 --> 00:22:45.377
which is what our kind of our goal

00:22:45.478 --> 00:22:45.637
is.

00:22:45.698 --> 00:22:47.598
But like, so harsh hits me back up.

00:22:47.618 --> 00:22:48.720
He's like, Hey man, we're good to go.

00:22:48.759 --> 00:22:49.780
Here's the screen grabs.

00:22:51.362 --> 00:22:52.102
So what do you want me to do?

00:22:52.122 --> 00:22:52.442
I'm like,

00:22:53.423 --> 00:22:55.104
everything that I asked you to take off

00:22:55.364 --> 00:22:56.125
pertaining to that band,

00:22:57.785 --> 00:23:04.027
what about so what band was it harsh

00:23:04.047 --> 00:23:04.767
what what was it uh was after a

00:23:04.787 --> 00:23:08.948
teenage riot because actually yeah every

00:23:09.048 --> 00:23:11.148
change that matt or nick asked for is

00:23:11.169 --> 00:23:13.969
like fine i will redo it or change

00:23:14.009 --> 00:23:17.250
it when when nick asked me to delight

00:23:17.269 --> 00:23:18.971
some stuff i was like really upset i

00:23:19.530 --> 00:23:22.151
was like man like i really like the

00:23:22.230 --> 00:23:24.751
personality of the main character tyler

00:23:25.858 --> 00:23:27.380
I feel so identified with him,

00:23:27.420 --> 00:23:30.122
like so easygoing and he doesn't care

00:23:30.142 --> 00:23:31.022
about anything.

00:23:32.104 --> 00:23:34.224
I think actually Matthew, I mean,

00:23:34.444 --> 00:23:35.967
is like the brother.

00:23:36.826 --> 00:23:38.387
I might be like him.

00:23:39.608 --> 00:23:39.950
Yeah.

00:23:40.329 --> 00:23:41.951
So I was like,

00:23:42.372 --> 00:23:44.034
Jesus, what does that make me,

00:23:44.054 --> 00:23:44.614
the old man?

00:23:44.713 --> 00:23:46.316
You are actually me.

00:23:46.375 --> 00:23:47.916
You're Dr. Advani.

00:23:48.657 --> 00:23:50.118
I'm the father.

00:23:50.219 --> 00:23:51.799
Okay.

00:23:51.819 --> 00:23:52.820
I wasn't going to say nothing.

00:23:52.981 --> 00:23:54.923
I was going to go grandfather,

00:23:54.942 --> 00:23:57.665
but you were nice to yourself.

00:23:57.726 --> 00:23:59.728
He's actually in a panel there.

00:24:00.448 --> 00:24:02.309
I asked him for a cameo.

00:24:02.470 --> 00:24:03.151
Yeah.

00:24:03.211 --> 00:24:04.932
Well, yeah.

00:24:07.445 --> 00:24:10.188
When they asked me to draw Quickwire,

00:24:10.688 --> 00:24:12.970
I was really into all this digital

00:24:13.009 --> 00:24:16.632
hardcore stuff and listening a lot to

00:24:17.192 --> 00:24:19.433
Atari Teenage Riot and all other stuff,

00:24:20.855 --> 00:24:22.256
Apex doing stuff.

00:24:23.557 --> 00:24:25.939
And I was like, this character,

00:24:26.138 --> 00:24:26.900
if he's quick,

00:24:27.880 --> 00:24:29.401
this is the sound of Quickwire.

00:24:29.622 --> 00:24:34.444
So I took the opportunity to

00:24:34.912 --> 00:24:37.633
to bring the logo for Atari Teenage Riot.

00:24:38.073 --> 00:24:39.894
Then Nick asked me to delete it.

00:24:40.874 --> 00:24:43.295
But I follow Nick Endo, the singer,

00:24:43.795 --> 00:24:44.415
on Instagram.

00:24:45.395 --> 00:24:47.616
And I sent her a message like, hey,

00:24:47.737 --> 00:24:48.797
I use your logo,

00:24:49.136 --> 00:24:50.897
the Atari Teenage Riot logo,

00:24:51.557 --> 00:24:53.618
and I put it in a t-shirt of

00:24:53.659 --> 00:24:54.419
the main character.

00:24:55.220 --> 00:24:55.819
Can I do it?

00:24:56.259 --> 00:24:57.540
And she was like, yeah, fine.

00:24:58.601 --> 00:24:59.141
Go do it.

00:24:59.641 --> 00:25:00.221
It's fine for me.

00:25:00.241 --> 00:25:01.922
It's amazing how far you'll get when you

00:25:01.942 --> 00:25:03.242
just ask.

00:25:03.303 --> 00:25:03.482
Right.

00:25:03.502 --> 00:25:03.722
Yeah.

00:25:05.017 --> 00:25:09.040
Yeah, and I told Nick, like,

00:25:09.080 --> 00:25:12.324
we have green light, so let's do it.

00:25:12.825 --> 00:25:14.586
And I think sometimes people are afraid to

00:25:14.766 --> 00:25:14.967
ask.

00:25:16.147 --> 00:25:17.568
Technically, it's free advertising.

00:25:17.608 --> 00:25:18.569
Why would they say no?

00:25:18.609 --> 00:25:22.574
It doesn't cost them a single thing for

00:25:22.594 --> 00:25:24.476
Heartstroke to draw their logo on this

00:25:24.516 --> 00:25:25.196
guy's chest.

00:25:25.676 --> 00:25:26.897
It's, you know,

00:25:26.917 --> 00:25:28.138
there are a couple of these, like,

00:25:28.819 --> 00:25:29.941
I don't want to say indie bands,

00:25:29.961 --> 00:25:32.464
but bands are places you go and ask

00:25:32.505 --> 00:25:33.526
them like, Hey, can we do this?

00:25:33.546 --> 00:25:34.867
Like back when I was doing film,

00:25:35.568 --> 00:25:38.172
you're like, go to some, not a franchise,

00:25:38.192 --> 00:25:40.714
but some like family owned restaurant.

00:25:40.755 --> 00:25:41.957
Like, Hey, can we film here?

00:25:42.417 --> 00:25:43.739
If we don't bother anybody, they're like,

00:25:43.778 --> 00:25:44.059
sure.

00:25:45.441 --> 00:25:47.301
I think sometimes the worst they're going

00:25:47.321 --> 00:25:48.482
to say is no and you have to

00:25:48.502 --> 00:25:49.703
do the thing you didn't want to do.

00:25:52.404 --> 00:25:53.705
No is easy to handle.

00:25:54.606 --> 00:25:57.067
The hardest part is always just getting

00:25:57.107 --> 00:26:00.049
that gumption to go, hey,

00:26:00.089 --> 00:26:00.911
can I do this?

00:26:02.251 --> 00:26:03.212
They're going to look at you for a

00:26:03.252 --> 00:26:03.772
second and be like,

00:26:05.294 --> 00:26:06.996
you know what yeah sure go ahead there's

00:26:07.016 --> 00:26:08.396
a booth over there in the corner how

00:26:08.416 --> 00:26:10.838
about it yeah like oh that was that

00:26:10.858 --> 00:26:12.480
was easier than it should have been and

00:26:12.721 --> 00:26:14.261
that's the cool thing about social media

00:26:14.682 --> 00:26:16.243
we that you can do that kind of

00:26:16.263 --> 00:26:18.025
stuff the fact that i've had conversations

00:26:18.085 --> 00:26:22.628
with jim valentino and mike grell about

00:26:22.809 --> 00:26:24.750
using their characters of them saying no

00:26:25.152 --> 00:26:26.292
at least i could talk to them

00:26:28.465 --> 00:26:30.548
You'll be surprised at what I was doing

00:26:30.567 --> 00:26:32.390
on just like straight up pure comic book

00:26:32.430 --> 00:26:34.711
shows about my weekly reads and stuff like

00:26:34.751 --> 00:26:35.051
that.

00:26:35.451 --> 00:26:37.253
And I would tag certain artists and

00:26:37.294 --> 00:26:38.734
writers and stuff like that.

00:26:39.375 --> 00:26:41.557
And the amount of like love they give

00:26:41.616 --> 00:26:43.719
back, like it's a message like, Hey,

00:26:44.279 --> 00:26:46.662
I really appreciate you reading the book

00:26:46.701 --> 00:26:48.182
and taking time to read the book and

00:26:48.202 --> 00:26:49.683
shout me out and giving me some love

00:26:49.723 --> 00:26:50.545
on social media.

00:26:51.125 --> 00:26:51.625
And I'm like,

00:26:54.106 --> 00:26:54.508
thank you.

00:26:54.548 --> 00:26:56.109
And I'm like screenshotting and sharing it

00:26:56.130 --> 00:26:56.671
with my friends.

00:26:56.711 --> 00:26:58.031
And they probably have no idea who I'm

00:26:58.073 --> 00:27:00.476
talking about, but I'm like,

00:27:00.516 --> 00:27:01.116
he said hi to me.

00:27:01.356 --> 00:27:02.759
And they're like,

00:27:03.200 --> 00:27:04.080
we don't know who that is.

00:27:04.141 --> 00:27:05.923
I'm like, well, they say hi.

00:27:05.942 --> 00:27:07.244
And they're pretty important to me in the

00:27:07.285 --> 00:27:07.925
comic book world.

00:27:07.965 --> 00:27:08.247
Okay.

00:27:10.232 --> 00:27:11.895
I do a podcast and there was one

00:27:11.955 --> 00:27:15.019
time we were reviewing all the year ones.

00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:18.463
The Robin year one, Batgirl year one,

00:27:18.525 --> 00:27:19.365
Nightwing year one.

00:27:19.385 --> 00:27:21.548
I think it was after the first one

00:27:21.588 --> 00:27:24.132
we did the Robin year one.

00:27:24.893 --> 00:27:26.714
And we couldn't decide if it was Scott

00:27:26.775 --> 00:27:28.296
Beatty or Scott Beatty.

00:27:29.397 --> 00:27:31.859
And my co-host got a message from Scott

00:27:31.880 --> 00:27:33.761
saying, it's pronounced Beatty.

00:27:35.923 --> 00:27:37.545
And he was like, cool.

00:27:37.625 --> 00:27:40.307
And then I was like, he's like,

00:27:40.407 --> 00:27:40.949
what do I do?

00:27:40.989 --> 00:27:41.429
And I'm like,

00:27:42.150 --> 00:27:43.270
ask him if he'll come be on the

00:27:43.290 --> 00:27:44.811
show after we redo all the comics.

00:27:45.765 --> 00:27:46.865
What's the word she's going to say?

00:27:47.306 --> 00:27:48.066
He's like, okay.

00:27:48.366 --> 00:27:50.748
And he came after we did all the

00:27:50.768 --> 00:27:51.268
reviews.

00:27:51.367 --> 00:27:52.608
He actually came and talked.

00:27:52.628 --> 00:27:53.190
That's dope.

00:27:53.650 --> 00:27:55.750
He was the nicest guy.

00:27:56.852 --> 00:27:59.192
It's like Kenny Howard.

00:27:59.232 --> 00:28:00.453
I got to meet her.

00:28:00.473 --> 00:28:02.736
She was an advertised for the Comic-Con I

00:28:02.756 --> 00:28:03.556
was going to be at.

00:28:04.276 --> 00:28:04.616
And I went,

00:28:04.636 --> 00:28:06.018
I walked by and she was sitting there.

00:28:06.758 --> 00:28:07.337
And I was like,

00:28:08.159 --> 00:28:10.720
I kind of got starstruck because she

00:28:10.740 --> 00:28:11.839
worked on Rick and Morty.

00:28:11.960 --> 00:28:12.839
She's got other stuff.

00:28:13.279 --> 00:28:14.780
She's got a really great series out right

00:28:14.861 --> 00:28:15.240
now.

00:28:15.980 --> 00:28:18.602
But I was just like, holy shit,

00:28:18.622 --> 00:28:19.222
you're Tani Howard.

00:28:19.762 --> 00:28:21.463
She's like, yeah, last time I checked,

00:28:21.544 --> 00:28:21.844
I was.

00:28:21.864 --> 00:28:22.844
Yep.

00:28:24.444 --> 00:28:26.665
And that's Luanna Vecchio over there.

00:28:27.185 --> 00:28:29.707
And she's like, hey.

00:28:29.967 --> 00:28:32.688
I'm like, I'm starstruck all of a sudden.

00:28:32.748 --> 00:28:33.087
I'm like.

00:28:34.550 --> 00:28:36.011
I'm getting everybody's autographs,

00:28:36.071 --> 00:28:37.192
and I got my books out of my

00:28:37.231 --> 00:28:39.073
bag, and I'm like,

00:28:39.113 --> 00:28:40.333
I didn't bring a Rick and Morty because

00:28:40.353 --> 00:28:41.294
I didn't know you were going to be

00:28:41.334 --> 00:28:41.493
here.

00:28:41.513 --> 00:28:42.773
I would have had you sign my first

00:28:42.814 --> 00:28:43.974
appearance of Pickle Rick,

00:28:44.015 --> 00:28:45.154
even though I know she didn't work on

00:28:45.234 --> 00:28:46.576
it, but still,

00:28:47.276 --> 00:28:48.277
I would have got her to sign it.

00:28:48.297 --> 00:28:49.297
She's like, it's okay.

00:28:49.356 --> 00:28:49.936
I brought some.

00:28:50.176 --> 00:28:50.998
I was like, yes.

00:28:51.038 --> 00:28:51.498
Yeah.

00:28:51.917 --> 00:28:53.980
So I got all the Rick and Mortys

00:28:54.000 --> 00:28:56.801
that she worked on signed right next door

00:28:56.821 --> 00:28:57.903
to Luanna Vecchio.

00:28:57.942 --> 00:28:59.503
Got her to sign Lovesick.

00:29:00.184 --> 00:29:02.787
And then right across from her was Tula

00:29:02.807 --> 00:29:03.326
Latoy.

00:29:03.747 --> 00:29:04.968
I think that's how you pronounce her name.

00:29:06.328 --> 00:29:07.549
Got her to sign a bunch of books

00:29:07.569 --> 00:29:08.391
that I've had.

00:29:08.530 --> 00:29:10.432
Some of her covers from Distillery and

00:29:11.212 --> 00:29:11.973
that kind of stuff.

00:29:12.074 --> 00:29:13.275
And the whole time I'm like,

00:29:14.377 --> 00:29:17.299
awestruck because it's that's three went

00:29:17.480 --> 00:29:20.241
three powerhouse women in the comic book

00:29:20.281 --> 00:29:23.903
industry that i was just like this is

00:29:24.144 --> 00:29:28.027
awesome the best day ever i'm like this

00:29:28.086 --> 00:29:29.887
is so cool and then i forgot to

00:29:29.948 --> 00:29:32.009
ask tula how to pronounce her last name

00:29:32.028 --> 00:29:33.390
and i felt bad because i always say

00:29:33.410 --> 00:29:37.732
it wrong i'm sure right so trust me

00:29:37.752 --> 00:29:39.513
yeah no dude

00:29:40.316 --> 00:29:42.817
It's like Tunisian or is, how do you,

00:29:42.857 --> 00:29:44.378
how do you say Dan's last name?

00:29:44.419 --> 00:29:45.961
Like the notion.

00:29:45.980 --> 00:29:49.163
I only know that because he is friends

00:29:49.182 --> 00:29:50.683
with these two guys who I've listened to

00:29:50.703 --> 00:29:51.565
their podcast.

00:29:52.065 --> 00:29:52.326
Okay.

00:29:52.346 --> 00:29:53.467
The only reason I know, cause I was,

00:29:53.487 --> 00:29:54.047
I was like,

00:29:54.067 --> 00:29:54.907
I don't even know how to say this

00:29:54.948 --> 00:29:55.448
guy's name.

00:29:55.468 --> 00:29:57.390
And then I always say Tunisian because

00:29:57.410 --> 00:29:59.010
that, that sounds okay to me,

00:29:59.090 --> 00:29:59.912
but Tunisian.

00:30:00.092 --> 00:30:00.491
All right.

00:30:00.531 --> 00:30:02.473
Now I know.

00:30:02.513 --> 00:30:03.555
He says, Oh,

00:30:03.615 --> 00:30:04.996
I've done all these books and I'm like,

00:30:05.056 --> 00:30:05.997
I've never heard of you.

00:30:06.096 --> 00:30:07.097
And then like when I, when the,

00:30:07.417 --> 00:30:08.759
I looked at the episode name, uh,

00:30:08.979 --> 00:30:10.038
I was like, oh, it's that guy.

00:30:10.460 --> 00:30:11.799
Okay, that's how you say it.

00:30:11.819 --> 00:30:13.180
X-Force.

00:30:13.200 --> 00:30:13.780
Did some Spawn.

00:30:13.820 --> 00:30:15.240
Did some Youngblood.

00:30:17.561 --> 00:30:18.882
It's like if I ever had a chance

00:30:18.902 --> 00:30:19.923
to meet Mark Spears,

00:30:20.022 --> 00:30:23.564
I'd probably cry and shit myself and

00:30:24.223 --> 00:30:25.664
everything else all at the same time

00:30:25.684 --> 00:30:27.964
because I've been such a huge fan of

00:30:28.005 --> 00:30:31.185
his for so long now that he could

00:30:31.205 --> 00:30:32.886
just slap his name on a, you know,

00:30:32.967 --> 00:30:32.987
a

00:30:36.411 --> 00:30:37.372
coloring book, and I'm like,

00:30:37.392 --> 00:30:38.712
I'm buying it because it's Mark Spears'

00:30:38.752 --> 00:30:39.292
coloring book.

00:30:39.313 --> 00:30:42.655
I got tattoos that were designed by Jay

00:30:42.675 --> 00:30:44.196
Lee.

00:30:44.217 --> 00:30:44.938
That's really dope.

00:30:44.958 --> 00:30:47.700
What about you, Heartstroke?

00:30:49.321 --> 00:30:50.742
Who are you dying to meet or talk

00:30:50.762 --> 00:30:50.923
to?

00:30:52.064 --> 00:30:52.564
I don't know.

00:30:52.663 --> 00:30:56.748
I actually already met my hero,

00:30:56.887 --> 00:30:57.508
Rick Capullo.

00:30:59.470 --> 00:31:00.750
I'm a fan with that.

00:31:01.050 --> 00:31:03.272
I met him in...

00:31:03.373 --> 00:31:04.253
You're going to say Capullo?

00:31:05.075 --> 00:31:05.355
Sorry?

00:31:06.586 --> 00:31:07.287
Nice Yeah,

00:31:12.931 --> 00:31:14.751
that was a gift from my comic book

00:31:14.771 --> 00:31:16.953
shop my local comic book shop gifted me

00:31:16.993 --> 00:31:20.236
that it's the nice Vinyl print too.

00:31:20.256 --> 00:31:21.196
It's not like a poster.

00:31:21.217 --> 00:31:24.019
That's that's the actual store window

00:31:24.058 --> 00:31:27.842
vinyl that they use so so yeah,

00:31:27.862 --> 00:31:31.463
I met him in two thousand thirteen while

00:31:31.483 --> 00:31:32.525
ago and

00:31:33.342 --> 00:31:36.243
Now I want to meet Mark Silvestri,

00:31:36.564 --> 00:31:39.265
I think.

00:31:39.484 --> 00:31:43.567
This guy that is drawing Absolute Batman,

00:31:43.968 --> 00:31:45.689
Nick, no, Dragora?

00:31:46.630 --> 00:31:48.711
I don't know how to pronounce his name.

00:31:48.770 --> 00:31:49.270
Yeah, you're right.

00:31:49.310 --> 00:31:50.372
He's amazing.

00:31:51.952 --> 00:31:52.712
I think that's it.

00:31:54.673 --> 00:31:57.194
I met Simon Beasley, another hero of mine.

00:31:58.875 --> 00:32:01.538
Simon Beasley, Alex Sinclair.

00:32:01.945 --> 00:32:02.526
I met him.

00:32:02.566 --> 00:32:03.527
That's a good one.

00:32:04.207 --> 00:32:04.567
Yeah.

00:32:05.488 --> 00:32:06.147
And that's it.

00:32:06.807 --> 00:32:11.190
I don't think I felt that far.

00:32:11.250 --> 00:32:11.349
Yeah.

00:32:11.369 --> 00:32:13.351
He's the Todd father of father.

00:32:13.431 --> 00:32:14.111
Yeah.

00:32:14.290 --> 00:32:14.872
Yeah, dude.

00:32:14.991 --> 00:32:17.913
He he's since nineteen ninety three.

00:32:17.972 --> 00:32:19.153
I've looked up to that guy.

00:32:19.953 --> 00:32:22.075
Yeah.

00:32:22.275 --> 00:32:23.715
I don't.

00:32:23.736 --> 00:32:26.057
There's so many people who are like, yeah,

00:32:26.076 --> 00:32:27.037
I'm not a fan of his.

00:32:27.096 --> 00:32:27.576
I'm like, dude,

00:32:27.596 --> 00:32:29.998
your comic book looks just like his.

00:32:30.018 --> 00:32:30.959
Don't tell me you're not a fan.

00:32:33.951 --> 00:32:34.310
But hey,

00:32:34.330 --> 00:32:36.590
if that's what makes you sleep at night,

00:32:36.611 --> 00:32:37.251
keep denying it.

00:32:37.592 --> 00:32:38.251
Keep denying it.

00:32:38.672 --> 00:32:40.092
There was a time in my artwork where

00:32:40.112 --> 00:32:41.092
they're like, hey, man,

00:32:41.132 --> 00:32:42.972
you're just like Rob Blackfield.

00:32:42.992 --> 00:32:45.573
I'm like, you're such a... Yeah,

00:32:45.593 --> 00:32:46.292
but can you draw feet?

00:32:46.333 --> 00:32:46.732
Yeah, exactly.

00:32:47.772 --> 00:32:48.413
There it is.

00:32:50.693 --> 00:32:52.213
And he's only got thirty pouches,

00:32:52.253 --> 00:32:52.913
not eighty.

00:32:53.213 --> 00:32:57.115
I was getting fifty-five pouches, damn it.

00:32:58.335 --> 00:33:00.996
Did you just see his recent press release

00:33:01.036 --> 00:33:02.516
on the re-release of Youngblood?

00:33:05.186 --> 00:33:05.267
No.

00:33:05.307 --> 00:33:07.988
He bores me, to be honest with you.

00:33:08.268 --> 00:33:09.847
He made fun of himself for like ten

00:33:09.928 --> 00:33:10.909
solid minutes.

00:33:11.368 --> 00:33:12.469
That was the best part about it.

00:33:12.548 --> 00:33:13.650
He made fun of himself.

00:33:13.670 --> 00:33:15.109
That's the weird thing about Rob.

00:33:15.130 --> 00:33:18.651
He'll get hammered in the comment section

00:33:18.671 --> 00:33:19.991
of most of the things he posts on

00:33:20.031 --> 00:33:23.232
Twitter or social media.

00:33:23.653 --> 00:33:25.394
He gets super offensive like, well,

00:33:25.413 --> 00:33:26.054
last time I checked,

00:33:26.094 --> 00:33:27.634
I've never heard of you.

00:33:29.295 --> 00:33:29.595
I've done this.

00:33:29.615 --> 00:33:30.316
I don't need your resume.

00:33:30.336 --> 00:33:31.215
I know your resume, dude.

00:33:31.791 --> 00:33:33.393
like we all know your resume and you

00:33:33.413 --> 00:33:36.395
haven't progressed since nineteen ninety

00:33:36.435 --> 00:33:39.337
three ninety three you know most artists

00:33:39.397 --> 00:33:43.001
progress like even harsh here like you see

00:33:43.061 --> 00:33:44.823
a steady progression in his artwork with

00:33:44.883 --> 00:33:48.246
quick wire and I'm like and he now

00:33:48.266 --> 00:33:49.826
he's only been drawn for like three years

00:33:49.866 --> 00:33:50.587
like what the hell

00:33:51.040 --> 00:33:51.901
And you can draw feet.

00:33:53.741 --> 00:33:54.241
Sometimes.

00:33:55.883 --> 00:33:56.843
Hey,

00:33:56.883 --> 00:33:58.183
you can always hide it with a rock.

00:33:58.223 --> 00:34:01.204
You can hide feet with a rock or

00:34:01.224 --> 00:34:01.865
with a pouch.

00:34:01.904 --> 00:34:02.285
It's cool.

00:34:02.305 --> 00:34:03.425
You know what you can do?

00:34:03.445 --> 00:34:05.626
You can just do that Tasmanian devil thing

00:34:05.646 --> 00:34:06.626
with Quickwire's legs.

00:34:06.646 --> 00:34:07.106
There we go.

00:34:07.126 --> 00:34:09.608
There we go.

00:34:09.748 --> 00:34:09.989
Yeah.

00:34:10.028 --> 00:34:17.231
So I know y'all were kind of...

00:34:21.092 --> 00:34:22.552
So I know y'all are kind of like

00:34:22.592 --> 00:34:24.353
spread out all over the country here,

00:34:24.393 --> 00:34:26.695
but how are y'all maintaining the creative

00:34:26.755 --> 00:34:28.336
energy and the quality?

00:34:29.097 --> 00:34:29.217
Well,

00:34:29.237 --> 00:34:30.759
I know Matt and Harsh are in the

00:34:30.778 --> 00:34:32.541
same area, but Nick,

00:34:32.601 --> 00:34:34.202
I know you're kind of away from everybody

00:34:34.322 --> 00:34:35.902
and I'm sure this isn't the only part

00:34:35.922 --> 00:34:36.382
of the team.

00:34:36.402 --> 00:34:37.003
You got more.

00:34:37.384 --> 00:34:38.724
So how do y'all keep that all kind

00:34:38.744 --> 00:34:42.728
of like meshed together and just keeping

00:34:42.748 --> 00:34:44.088
the creative juice flowing?

00:34:44.730 --> 00:34:46.231
I would say social media is probably the

00:34:46.251 --> 00:34:48.693
biggest linchpin for how we're able to

00:34:48.733 --> 00:34:50.253
constantly communicate with one another.

00:34:51.976 --> 00:34:54.659
We have a group chat for Quickwire between

00:34:55.139 --> 00:34:56.699
Harsh, Matthew, and myself.

00:34:57.521 --> 00:35:01.844
And then we have the page to where,

00:35:02.184 --> 00:35:02.403
you know,

00:35:02.423 --> 00:35:05.945
Harsh drops his artwork in and who also

00:35:05.965 --> 00:35:07.246
did the letters on this book.

00:35:07.766 --> 00:35:08.086
Oh, nice.

00:35:09.447 --> 00:35:11.650
So he wanted to kind of branch out

00:35:11.670 --> 00:35:12.150
and was like, hey,

00:35:12.170 --> 00:35:13.351
this is another skill I have.

00:35:13.431 --> 00:35:14.311
I'm like, all right, cool.

00:35:14.331 --> 00:35:15.391
Let's see what you got.

00:35:15.411 --> 00:35:16.972
I'm like, okay, that works.

00:35:17.072 --> 00:35:18.893
I always say lettering makes or breaks a

00:35:18.934 --> 00:35:19.253
book.

00:35:19.974 --> 00:35:20.315
It does.

00:35:23.456 --> 00:35:24.777
I'm a big fan of a phone call.

00:35:24.836 --> 00:35:24.996
Now,

00:35:25.056 --> 00:35:26.336
Harshroke and I haven't had a phone call

00:35:26.356 --> 00:35:27.637
because I think he's in Mexico and I'm

00:35:27.677 --> 00:35:28.376
in Texas,

00:35:28.416 --> 00:35:30.418
so that'd be a very expensive phone call.

00:35:30.938 --> 00:35:33.378
But Nick and I talk on the phone

00:35:33.418 --> 00:35:35.599
at least, what, once a week?

00:35:35.838 --> 00:35:37.478
Maybe twice a week, depending on...

00:35:37.498 --> 00:35:37.798
Bare minimum.

00:35:37.818 --> 00:35:38.498
Sometimes three times.

00:35:38.599 --> 00:35:39.760
Like I said,

00:35:40.059 --> 00:35:42.820
you call me more than my father.

00:35:42.940 --> 00:35:44.079
I miss him a lot.

00:35:44.860 --> 00:35:45.081
Wait,

00:35:45.101 --> 00:35:46.440
you get phone calls from your father?

00:35:48.717 --> 00:35:51.719
you have a father I went out for

00:35:51.858 --> 00:35:54.059
milk and smokes and never came back dude

00:35:54.099 --> 00:35:58.762
what the fuck yeah but no I think

00:35:59.003 --> 00:36:02.525
for me I think there's definitely a need

00:36:02.545 --> 00:36:07.068
to keep that energy going and you know

00:36:07.648 --> 00:36:10.650
I'm older than everybody so but I'm also

00:36:10.670 --> 00:36:14.172
I said I heard that story yeah but

00:36:14.233 --> 00:36:15.713
I think part of it too for me

00:36:15.773 --> 00:36:16.213
is like

00:36:17.931 --> 00:36:19.652
We could have a fifteen-minute phone

00:36:19.693 --> 00:36:21.893
conversation or three hours of texting.

00:36:22.914 --> 00:36:24.474
If you give me this fifteen minutes and

00:36:24.494 --> 00:36:25.655
we have this conversation,

00:36:26.496 --> 00:36:28.137
then I can go be productive with what

00:36:28.177 --> 00:36:29.737
we discussed and what we figured out.

00:36:29.818 --> 00:36:30.717
And sometimes, too...

00:36:31.097 --> 00:36:32.099
It starts with a text.

00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:34.159
Hey, you available for a call right now?

00:36:34.420 --> 00:36:35.039
A quick call.

00:36:35.619 --> 00:36:36.481
It's always a quick call,

00:36:36.521 --> 00:36:37.400
but it's never a quick call.

00:36:37.420 --> 00:36:38.481
It's always going to be an hour.

00:36:40.463 --> 00:36:42.204
I'd rather have an hour phone call than

00:36:42.583 --> 00:36:44.425
four or five hours of texting any day

00:36:44.445 --> 00:36:44.804
of the week.

00:36:46.146 --> 00:36:47.708
you leave me an important voicemail that

00:36:47.728 --> 00:36:49.307
says hey can you call me and then

00:36:49.367 --> 00:36:51.708
i might call you back yeah my wife

00:36:51.748 --> 00:36:53.148
likes to jump in and like have a

00:36:53.168 --> 00:36:55.469
conversation with hasso i'm like i'm on a

00:36:55.489 --> 00:36:56.989
business call the effort you're doing yeah

00:36:57.010 --> 00:37:00.210
like we're trying to finalize things man

00:37:00.231 --> 00:37:02.351
yeah so i think that the at the

00:37:02.411 --> 00:37:03.751
end of quick wire we should make sure

00:37:03.791 --> 00:37:06.233
hey matt have you ever had green tacos

00:37:07.753 --> 00:37:08.193
No.

00:37:09.094 --> 00:37:09.594
Are they good?

00:37:09.614 --> 00:37:09.695
Yeah.

00:37:09.715 --> 00:37:10.594
Five minutes of the recipe for green

00:37:10.614 --> 00:37:14.237
sauce.

00:37:14.838 --> 00:37:16.838
It's, it's, it's, it's quite funny.

00:37:18.278 --> 00:37:18.719
But no,

00:37:18.860 --> 00:37:20.119
I think that that's a lot of it

00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:20.320
too,

00:37:20.380 --> 00:37:21.541
is that just have that constant

00:37:21.561 --> 00:37:22.041
communication.

00:37:22.121 --> 00:37:24.762
Cause I've worked with one time I did

00:37:24.802 --> 00:37:25.902
the thing where it was like,

00:37:28.143 --> 00:37:28.844
here's a script.

00:37:29.344 --> 00:37:29.905
I'll draw it.

00:37:29.985 --> 00:37:32.766
And then like four weeks later,

00:37:32.827 --> 00:37:33.867
here's five pages.

00:37:33.927 --> 00:37:35.728
And I'm like, these are all wrong.

00:37:40.717 --> 00:37:41.378
That wasn't me.

00:37:42.338 --> 00:37:42.878
It wasn't him.

00:37:42.978 --> 00:37:44.739
We're glad it's not you.

00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:46.900
But it's just like some of those times

00:37:46.940 --> 00:37:47.481
where you just...

00:37:47.681 --> 00:37:48.762
Because I think sometimes...

00:37:51.161 --> 00:37:52.463
I it's kind of funny because there's times

00:37:52.503 --> 00:37:52.923
where I'm like,

00:37:52.983 --> 00:37:54.806
am I leaving these scripts to open?

00:37:55.065 --> 00:37:56.706
Do I need to go like Alan Moore

00:37:56.806 --> 00:37:58.248
and each panel is a full page of

00:37:58.289 --> 00:37:58.668
writing.

00:37:59.389 --> 00:38:00.771
But sometimes you just get to the point

00:38:00.791 --> 00:38:01.090
where like,

00:38:01.231 --> 00:38:03.934
I can look at sometimes an artist and

00:38:03.974 --> 00:38:05.896
go like harsh has done it a couple

00:38:05.916 --> 00:38:06.315
of times.

00:38:06.376 --> 00:38:06.856
Bruno on,

00:38:07.197 --> 00:38:09.119
on Phantom Hawk will do it as like,

00:38:09.278 --> 00:38:10.980
I think this needs an extra panel to

00:38:11.000 --> 00:38:11.760
show this thing.

00:38:11.780 --> 00:38:14.664
And like, but it makes the story work.

00:38:14.844 --> 00:38:15.143
Cool.

00:38:15.164 --> 00:38:15.244
Yeah.

00:38:17.528 --> 00:38:18.949
Yeah, but then sometimes...

00:38:18.969 --> 00:38:20.309
There was one artist I worked on,

00:38:20.469 --> 00:38:21.911
and I think he got three pages in,

00:38:21.931 --> 00:38:23.532
and I finally told the guy,

00:38:23.552 --> 00:38:23.891
I was like,

00:38:24.331 --> 00:38:27.554
I ain't working with this dude.

00:38:27.693 --> 00:38:30.135
He read the dialogue, and that's it.

00:38:30.195 --> 00:38:31.755
And he's just making things up.

00:38:31.775 --> 00:38:32.215
But I'm like...

00:38:33.856 --> 00:38:36.878
like you know there's one guy yeah I

00:38:36.898 --> 00:38:38.641
don't care I'll do it where it was

00:38:38.681 --> 00:38:41.583
like specifically it was supposed to be a

00:38:41.643 --> 00:38:44.724
revolver because in the next scene it

00:38:44.784 --> 00:38:49.208
showed that the that the hero had dropped

00:38:49.228 --> 00:38:51.811
all the bullets out of the gun well

00:38:51.851 --> 00:38:53.431
he gave the guy an automatic and

00:38:54.215 --> 00:38:55.394
But then in the next panel,

00:38:55.534 --> 00:38:57.036
you see the bullets dropping out of the

00:38:57.076 --> 00:38:57.255
gun.

00:38:57.295 --> 00:38:57.675
And I'm like,

00:38:57.755 --> 00:38:59.717
why would he empty the bullets out of

00:38:59.777 --> 00:39:00.277
a clip?

00:39:01.498 --> 00:39:02.637
And then the other guy was like, well,

00:39:02.657 --> 00:39:04.338
maybe it's a maybe it's a magazine.

00:39:04.358 --> 00:39:05.338
Yeah.

00:39:05.378 --> 00:39:05.898
What's it called?

00:39:05.978 --> 00:39:08.599
Maybe it's a language barrier.

00:39:08.739 --> 00:39:10.920
And I'm like, bro, in Spanish,

00:39:11.001 --> 00:39:12.661
revolver is revolver.

00:39:14.021 --> 00:39:16.523
It's not a language barrier.

00:39:18.652 --> 00:39:20.295
So it was like stuff like that,

00:39:20.315 --> 00:39:20.815
where I'm like,

00:39:21.577 --> 00:39:24.101
it sounds stupid because a gun's a gun,

00:39:24.141 --> 00:39:26.224
but when it's a specific thing of like,

00:39:26.965 --> 00:39:28.688
this is this way because I want this

00:39:28.708 --> 00:39:29.909
to happen this way and this way,

00:39:29.989 --> 00:39:31.152
and you're not doing that,

00:39:31.833 --> 00:39:32.713
I'm not working with you.

00:39:32.773 --> 00:39:33.494
Like at that point,

00:39:34.115 --> 00:39:35.757
then just make up the story yourself.

00:39:35.896 --> 00:39:37.577
Why did I write this thing?

00:39:38.498 --> 00:39:41.840
And I think that's where sometimes when

00:39:41.860 --> 00:39:43.442
you're not able to communicate with

00:39:43.461 --> 00:39:45.844
somebody consistently and kind of go page

00:39:45.864 --> 00:39:46.264
by page,

00:39:46.664 --> 00:39:48.125
even though I know Heartstroke a couple

00:39:48.144 --> 00:39:51.246
times have been like, stop talking to me.

00:39:51.367 --> 00:39:55.329
No way.

00:39:55.690 --> 00:39:57.351
Something like that actually happened with

00:39:57.431 --> 00:39:57.612
me.

00:39:59.141 --> 00:40:03.605
It was the third page, you wrote weapons.

00:40:04.226 --> 00:40:07.788
And I drew off everyone with bats and

00:40:09.789 --> 00:40:10.869
knives and stuff like that.

00:40:11.407 --> 00:40:13.228
And he was like, no, I mean guns.

00:40:13.248 --> 00:40:15.990
Well, yeah, I was like, yeah,

00:40:16.731 --> 00:40:18.333
this is what it was.

00:40:18.353 --> 00:40:19.273
That's where I think.

00:40:19.434 --> 00:40:21.574
But I also think specifics count.

00:40:22.195 --> 00:40:23.255
Well, I think, too,

00:40:23.396 --> 00:40:25.217
what I think about in that and I'm

00:40:25.518 --> 00:40:26.378
not blaming you at all,

00:40:26.398 --> 00:40:29.039
but I also think that's a cultural thing.

00:40:29.661 --> 00:40:31.561
Like in America, if you say weapons,

00:40:31.722 --> 00:40:33.903
especially in Texas, that means guns.

00:40:34.824 --> 00:40:35.625
That's true.

00:40:35.985 --> 00:40:38.206
But in every other nation,

00:40:38.766 --> 00:40:40.869
nobody has guns on the regular.

00:40:40.889 --> 00:40:42.590
I can go to my friend's house and

00:40:42.630 --> 00:40:45.112
he has three.

00:40:45.132 --> 00:40:46.393
Only three in Texas?

00:40:46.472 --> 00:40:47.614
That's a rookie, man.

00:40:47.634 --> 00:40:51.416
I got four and I'm in Florida on

00:40:51.476 --> 00:40:52.737
detail for my job.

00:40:52.757 --> 00:40:53.018
I got four.

00:40:54.117 --> 00:40:56.539
But I think that's also like, you know,

00:40:56.621 --> 00:40:58.262
sometimes I have to think about like, no,

00:40:58.302 --> 00:40:59.023
this is like, there was,

00:40:59.922 --> 00:41:01.103
were you the one that didn't know what

00:41:01.143 --> 00:41:02.405
an ATM machine was?

00:41:02.666 --> 00:41:03.626
No, that was somebody else.

00:41:04.246 --> 00:41:05.947
Where it was like an ATM machine on

00:41:05.967 --> 00:41:06.849
the side of a building.

00:41:07.730 --> 00:41:08.210
And I was like,

00:41:08.269 --> 00:41:09.130
how do you not know?

00:41:09.170 --> 00:41:10.251
And then realize like, oh,

00:41:10.351 --> 00:41:13.293
you have no idea because he's in Central

00:41:13.333 --> 00:41:13.755
America.

00:41:13.775 --> 00:41:16.077
Yeah, that doesn't happen here.

00:41:16.117 --> 00:41:18.418
We don't have ATM like outside.

00:41:18.599 --> 00:41:19.699
They're always inside.

00:41:19.719 --> 00:41:20.840
Yeah, they're always inside.

00:41:20.860 --> 00:41:21.121
Yeah.

00:41:21.260 --> 00:41:21.661
Yeah.

00:41:22.815 --> 00:41:25.737
So I think sometimes when you get the

00:41:25.777 --> 00:41:28.239
cultural differences, you know,

00:41:28.280 --> 00:41:29.681
because the first artist I worked with,

00:41:29.740 --> 00:41:31.001
he was in Texas.

00:41:31.742 --> 00:41:33.202
So like there was no,

00:41:33.322 --> 00:41:35.184
and not that it was a better relationship,

00:41:35.224 --> 00:41:36.666
but just that there were certain things

00:41:36.686 --> 00:41:37.505
because he's here,

00:41:37.565 --> 00:41:39.467
he understood what this is.

00:41:39.867 --> 00:41:40.708
But at the same time,

00:41:40.768 --> 00:41:43.090
like another writer buddy of mine,

00:41:43.170 --> 00:41:45.771
like he'll just insert pictures into his

00:41:45.811 --> 00:41:47.112
script like this.

00:41:47.693 --> 00:41:49.695
And I'm like, maybe like, no,

00:41:49.894 --> 00:41:50.514
make the artist work.

00:41:50.534 --> 00:41:50.996
He'll be fine.

00:41:51.016 --> 00:41:51.376
Yeah.

00:41:52.976 --> 00:41:55.597
you are paying him to work so that's

00:41:55.637 --> 00:41:57.099
what we pay him for and that's what

00:41:57.139 --> 00:41:59.519
Google is for as well help me a

00:41:59.559 --> 00:42:02.001
little bit Matt with that yeah there you

00:42:02.021 --> 00:42:04.364
go I'll do a mix but that was

00:42:04.403 --> 00:42:07.425
something that I think as writers keep it

00:42:07.485 --> 00:42:10.987
in mind of like like there are certain

00:42:11.027 --> 00:42:14.951
things that are very commonplace here that

00:42:14.990 --> 00:42:16.452
like it just doesn't like there was

00:42:17.432 --> 00:42:19.974
another comic where like he had no idea

00:42:19.994 --> 00:42:20.855
what a warehouse was

00:42:22.454 --> 00:42:24.715
like what the inside of a warehouse would

00:42:24.775 --> 00:42:26.797
look like, or, or it was,

00:42:26.898 --> 00:42:27.657
it was like a boat.

00:42:27.697 --> 00:42:28.217
It was something.

00:42:28.277 --> 00:42:29.318
Oh, it was a boat too,

00:42:29.398 --> 00:42:29.958
where I was like, Oh,

00:42:29.998 --> 00:42:30.559
he has a boat.

00:42:30.659 --> 00:42:32.039
And he just drew a pontoon,

00:42:32.201 --> 00:42:33.300
a pontoon boat.

00:42:33.360 --> 00:42:34.061
I was like, no, no, no.

00:42:34.101 --> 00:42:34.742
It's a houseboat,

00:42:35.581 --> 00:42:38.244
but just somebody who has no experience

00:42:38.264 --> 00:42:38.963
with certain things.

00:42:39.003 --> 00:42:39.123
And,

00:42:39.885 --> 00:42:41.146
and then you have to get into the

00:42:41.166 --> 00:42:42.226
specifics of like,

00:42:42.266 --> 00:42:46.809
this is what trigger discipline is.

00:42:46.869 --> 00:42:48.550
So, but yeah, I think that's,

00:42:48.869 --> 00:42:50.210
that's my safety right there.

00:42:51.010 --> 00:42:52.931
yeah to have the ability to talk to

00:42:53.413 --> 00:42:55.195
the artist and look at it page by

00:42:55.255 --> 00:42:59.099
page it really does help make sure like

00:42:59.960 --> 00:43:01.802
because i know once the ink is down

00:43:01.902 --> 00:43:03.324
i know i i don't think hard strokes

00:43:03.344 --> 00:43:04.826
works digitally i can't remember

00:43:05.443 --> 00:43:09.985
digitally actually everything I know the

00:43:10.025 --> 00:43:12.545
big if someone's working on paper once

00:43:12.565 --> 00:43:14.385
they ink it to get them to change

00:43:14.445 --> 00:43:17.786
anything it's locked in they ain't doing

00:43:17.847 --> 00:43:20.628
it I did it one time and I

00:43:20.668 --> 00:43:24.088
paid the artist extra because it was so

00:43:25.048 --> 00:43:27.148
not what I wanted and I was like

00:43:27.369 --> 00:43:29.769
bro I'm sorry I know you said never

00:43:29.809 --> 00:43:31.469
to do this here's an extra I don't

00:43:31.489 --> 00:43:33.371
remember how much I've tossed him I need

00:43:33.391 --> 00:43:34.070
you to fix this

00:43:34.831 --> 00:43:36.612
And it was just because we had to

00:43:36.672 --> 00:43:38.414
workshop the design of the plane.

00:43:39.635 --> 00:43:41.076
So we could just draw on a plane.

00:43:41.115 --> 00:43:43.157
And I was like, no.

00:43:44.039 --> 00:43:47.240
I need to start to work traditionally with

00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:47.621
paper.

00:43:47.641 --> 00:43:52.385
I know people who do both.

00:43:52.405 --> 00:43:53.565
I do both.

00:43:53.865 --> 00:43:54.686
I do analog and digital.

00:43:57.958 --> 00:43:59.539
So what's been the philosophy that has

00:43:59.878 --> 00:44:02.742
drove the brand when choosing what stories

00:44:02.762 --> 00:44:04.844
to tell or what creators to collaborate

00:44:04.884 --> 00:44:06.105
with for y'all?

00:44:06.485 --> 00:44:08.045
Do y'all bring in new people from time

00:44:08.085 --> 00:44:10.327
to time or do you just have this

00:44:10.407 --> 00:44:12.329
is us and we're it?

00:44:12.969 --> 00:44:14.791
No, we bring in other artists.

00:44:14.831 --> 00:44:16.572
Like Apogee prides itself on being a

00:44:16.612 --> 00:44:19.416
stepping stone company to move on to like

00:44:19.755 --> 00:44:23.719
bigger brands like Valiant or Dark Horse

00:44:23.858 --> 00:44:24.460
or Image.

00:44:26.146 --> 00:44:27.429
Marvel and even DC.

00:44:28.510 --> 00:44:31.315
One of our early colorists, DC Alonzo,

00:44:31.416 --> 00:44:33.259
started out with us and now he's doing

00:44:33.278 --> 00:44:35.563
stuff for Marvel.

00:44:35.583 --> 00:44:37.146
It's funny that you brought up Valiant.

00:44:37.286 --> 00:44:39.429
I feel like they're criminally underrated

00:44:39.469 --> 00:44:39.610
movies.

00:44:40.597 --> 00:44:44.860
How do you not love X-Men or Solar?

00:44:44.880 --> 00:44:48.041
Those are brilliant books and they're just

00:44:48.342 --> 00:44:50.523
brilliantly executed as far as artwork and

00:44:50.563 --> 00:44:51.304
storytelling.

00:44:52.385 --> 00:44:54.766
And it kind of goes against the old

00:44:54.786 --> 00:44:56.606
guard of comic books.

00:44:56.686 --> 00:44:58.788
They tell these unique stories that are

00:44:59.449 --> 00:45:01.650
completely indicative of their own brand,

00:45:01.710 --> 00:45:02.871
which I find amazing.

00:45:04.811 --> 00:45:06.992
I'm an early image head.

00:45:07.809 --> 00:45:09.610
So when Image worked with Valiant for

00:45:09.650 --> 00:45:10.251
Checkmate,

00:45:10.391 --> 00:45:11.512
I thought that was the greatest thing that

00:45:11.532 --> 00:45:14.275
had ever happened in my life.

00:45:14.315 --> 00:45:15.335
Some people look back like, hey,

00:45:15.355 --> 00:45:16.916
the space shuttle launching and landing on

00:45:16.936 --> 00:45:17.297
the moon,

00:45:17.317 --> 00:45:18.398
that was the pinnacle of my life.

00:45:18.418 --> 00:45:18.938
I'm like, no.

00:45:19.378 --> 00:45:21.500
Image and Valiant doing Checkmate was the

00:45:21.519 --> 00:45:22.922
pinnacle of my life because it was the

00:45:22.942 --> 00:45:23.782
coolest shit ever.

00:45:25.063 --> 00:45:27.045
If it had come out the right way,

00:45:27.184 --> 00:45:28.106
I think it would have been great.

00:45:28.126 --> 00:45:30.327
The thing is,

00:45:30.347 --> 00:45:31.889
it did come out the right way and

00:45:31.949 --> 00:45:33.190
it still got overlooked.

00:45:33.489 --> 00:45:35.110
But I think people are going back there

00:45:35.130 --> 00:45:36.552
and that's why those issues are so...

00:45:37.804 --> 00:45:39.246
And I guard them with my life.

00:45:39.306 --> 00:45:40.947
There are coffins in my office.

00:45:42.329 --> 00:45:45.974
As well they should be.

00:45:46.074 --> 00:45:47.235
Those two companies coming together and

00:45:47.255 --> 00:45:47.554
doing that.

00:45:47.574 --> 00:45:50.237
Valiant is like one of my peak things

00:45:50.277 --> 00:45:51.960
in social media is when I started doing

00:45:51.980 --> 00:45:54.242
some fan art of Valiant.

00:45:54.983 --> 00:45:56.083
I think I did a bloodshot and I

00:45:56.103 --> 00:45:56.644
did a...

00:45:59.797 --> 00:46:00.679
Exo Manowar.

00:46:01.059 --> 00:46:02.440
Exo Manowar is probably my favorite of

00:46:02.480 --> 00:46:04.882
that line, but I started seeing,

00:46:04.942 --> 00:46:06.161
Valiant Comics likes this.

00:46:06.262 --> 00:46:07.483
Valiant Comics likes this.

00:46:07.503 --> 00:46:08.344
I'm like, holy shit.

00:46:08.364 --> 00:46:09.445
Screen grabs,

00:46:09.465 --> 00:46:11.126
submit to everywhere on social media,

00:46:11.146 --> 00:46:12.806
like, hey, Valiant Comics like my shit.

00:46:12.887 --> 00:46:17.010
It's the coolest thing ever.

00:46:17.030 --> 00:46:17.710
Dude, I do the same thing.

00:46:17.769 --> 00:46:20.771
Anytime a comic book artist or a writer

00:46:20.831 --> 00:46:23.153
says, hey, thanks for the support,

00:46:23.173 --> 00:46:27.237
I'm all like, screenshot, just in case.

00:46:28.331 --> 00:46:30.253
You know, it's stuff like that.

00:46:30.273 --> 00:46:31.514
This is what I love about social media

00:46:31.534 --> 00:46:32.894
is that it's giving you access to people

00:46:32.914 --> 00:46:35.976
that you normally wouldn't have access to.

00:46:36.036 --> 00:46:36.818
It really has.

00:46:36.898 --> 00:46:39.940
And I think the con culture, I think,

00:46:39.981 --> 00:46:42.543
is starting to go back to they're

00:46:42.583 --> 00:46:43.684
separating it more now.

00:46:45.148 --> 00:46:47.309
Comic-Cons are becoming Comic-Cons again

00:46:47.369 --> 00:46:48.469
about the comic books.

00:46:48.489 --> 00:46:50.710
I know San Diego Comic-Con this year was

00:46:51.231 --> 00:46:52.692
literally about the comics.

00:46:52.731 --> 00:46:54.092
They still had their normal stuff,

00:46:54.592 --> 00:46:56.693
but from everybody I've talked to that was

00:46:56.753 --> 00:46:57.054
at San Diego,

00:46:57.074 --> 00:46:57.954
it was definitely more about the comic

00:46:57.974 --> 00:46:58.353
books this year.

00:46:58.373 --> 00:46:58.474
Yeah,

00:46:58.514 --> 00:46:59.934
it was more pushing about the comic books

00:46:59.954 --> 00:47:02.835
and the creative aspect of comic books.

00:47:03.436 --> 00:47:07.418
It was more focused on what's Jimmy

00:47:07.438 --> 00:47:08.119
putting out?

00:47:08.559 --> 00:47:11.960
What's Todd putting out?

00:47:12.021 --> 00:47:13.221
What's Rob putting out?

00:47:13.280 --> 00:47:14.561
What's Dan putting out?

00:47:14.992 --> 00:47:16.291
you know, where before it's all like,

00:47:16.311 --> 00:47:17.152
everybody's in line to go into Hall H

00:47:17.172 --> 00:47:20.253
and see what blockbusters are going to

00:47:20.373 --> 00:47:21.472
happen next year.

00:47:21.492 --> 00:47:22.574
Yeah.

00:47:22.594 --> 00:47:23.733
Which I've never cared about.

00:47:23.893 --> 00:47:26.153
I mean, the one thing that, like,

00:47:26.574 --> 00:47:28.934
I want to see the next con I

00:47:29.014 --> 00:47:29.434
end up at,

00:47:29.675 --> 00:47:31.436
the only thing I really want to concern

00:47:31.476 --> 00:47:33.715
myself with is Tiny Onion going to be

00:47:33.755 --> 00:47:34.016
there.

00:47:34.036 --> 00:47:36.416
Okay.

00:47:36.476 --> 00:47:36.556
Yeah.

00:47:36.597 --> 00:47:36.996
The Tinian.

00:47:38.617 --> 00:47:41.438
That's another guy that's on my list,

00:47:41.458 --> 00:47:42.458
definitely, is Tinian.

00:47:45.108 --> 00:47:47.108
But social media has given me access to

00:47:47.168 --> 00:47:49.289
Chuck Dixon to build a friendship with

00:47:49.349 --> 00:47:53.353
him, with Graham Nolan,

00:47:53.733 --> 00:47:55.014
the guys that created Bane,

00:47:55.114 --> 00:47:57.094
and then get him on my own podcast.

00:47:57.755 --> 00:47:59.436
That's really dope, yeah.

00:47:59.476 --> 00:48:00.177
Because if we said,

00:48:00.237 --> 00:48:01.297
we're not going to talk about fucking

00:48:01.338 --> 00:48:02.259
Bane, and I'm like, all right,

00:48:02.278 --> 00:48:02.619
that's fair.

00:48:04.514 --> 00:48:07.096
we're not filming,

00:48:08.396 --> 00:48:12.380
can I ask you about Bane?

00:48:12.400 --> 00:48:15.844
I'm like, yeah, absolutely.

00:48:15.943 --> 00:48:16.945
We just don't want to do it on

00:48:16.965 --> 00:48:17.846
there because we've talked about Bane for

00:48:17.865 --> 00:48:18.206
like thirty years.

00:48:18.226 --> 00:48:18.445
That's good.

00:48:18.465 --> 00:48:18.505
No,

00:48:18.525 --> 00:48:19.407
that's really cool that and that's the one

00:48:19.427 --> 00:48:20.847
positive I can say that's come out of

00:48:20.907 --> 00:48:22.909
social media is us getting to connect with

00:48:23.650 --> 00:48:25.152
the guys that we look up to and

00:48:25.211 --> 00:48:27.434
admire from a creative standpoint when it

00:48:27.474 --> 00:48:28.635
comes to that kind of stuff.

00:48:29.036 --> 00:48:30.056
I know I myself,

00:48:30.117 --> 00:48:31.056
I don't have any type of

00:48:31.876 --> 00:48:33.277
artistic skills,

00:48:33.737 --> 00:48:36.159
but I've always been able to admire what

00:48:36.199 --> 00:48:37.840
the other other people have done.

00:48:37.940 --> 00:48:41.141
So let's let's keep pressing.

00:48:44.402 --> 00:48:46.242
So let's talk a little bit about your

00:48:46.302 --> 00:48:49.023
current lineup before I know we got quick

00:48:49.063 --> 00:48:49.724
wire coming.

00:48:49.764 --> 00:48:52.045
Let's get tell everybody about what you

00:48:52.346 --> 00:48:54.907
currently have on the docket and what they

00:48:54.927 --> 00:48:56.447
can pick up if they go over to

00:48:56.648 --> 00:48:57.327
your website.

00:48:58.536 --> 00:48:59.376
Okay.

00:48:59.396 --> 00:48:59.835
First of all,

00:48:59.876 --> 00:49:01.697
you can pick us some things from our

00:49:01.817 --> 00:49:04.137
legacy line is what we're calling it.

00:49:04.237 --> 00:49:05.778
Now we're kind of like rebranding.

00:49:06.278 --> 00:49:08.559
We've pushed the artwork,

00:49:08.579 --> 00:49:10.280
we've pushed storytelling, colors.

00:49:10.380 --> 00:49:11.860
We've gotten a little bit more

00:49:11.940 --> 00:49:13.221
professional polish on it.

00:49:13.240 --> 00:49:15.202
Not saying that the previous books didn't

00:49:15.222 --> 00:49:15.902
have that,

00:49:15.922 --> 00:49:17.202
but we've kind of like bumped it up

00:49:17.242 --> 00:49:17.603
a notch.

00:49:17.623 --> 00:49:20.103
So you can get The Crimson Guardians

00:49:20.184 --> 00:49:22.264
starring the Cardinal.

00:49:23.344 --> 00:49:25.246
The first Phantom Hawk book we did with

00:49:25.326 --> 00:49:25.846
Apogee.

00:49:28.333 --> 00:49:29.155
Solarium Prime.

00:49:30.556 --> 00:49:34.858
Bengali, issue one through three.

00:49:35.119 --> 00:49:35.960
What am I forgetting, Matt?

00:49:36.099 --> 00:49:36.880
There's another book.

00:49:37.059 --> 00:49:37.820
Oh, War Drums.

00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:38.922
You can order War Drums.

00:49:38.961 --> 00:49:40.163
Yeah, the original War Drums.

00:49:40.523 --> 00:49:41.523
The original War Drums,

00:49:41.583 --> 00:49:43.324
which we're expanding into its own.

00:49:45.226 --> 00:49:46.166
It's going to be kind of like the

00:49:46.246 --> 00:49:51.351
Marvel Presents or the Crisis line with

00:49:51.391 --> 00:49:51.891
DC.

00:49:52.692 --> 00:49:54.652
It's going to be how we pull the

00:49:54.753 --> 00:49:55.454
universe together.

00:49:56.536 --> 00:49:57.856
for like giant events.

00:49:57.876 --> 00:49:59.478
So you don't have to read individual

00:49:59.597 --> 00:50:01.280
issues to understand what's going on with

00:50:01.320 --> 00:50:02.521
the major event.

00:50:02.581 --> 00:50:03.081
It's going to be.

00:50:04.943 --> 00:50:05.143
OK.

00:50:05.163 --> 00:50:06.563
We thought that was a better idea to

00:50:06.603 --> 00:50:08.244
just kind of streamline the universe and

00:50:08.264 --> 00:50:09.445
how we're going to move forward.

00:50:10.766 --> 00:50:13.509
But you can always there.

00:50:13.528 --> 00:50:14.829
I wouldn't call them one shots or

00:50:14.869 --> 00:50:17.472
independent of each other because in the

00:50:17.512 --> 00:50:18.092
later issues,

00:50:18.112 --> 00:50:19.934
these things will be brought up like this

00:50:20.014 --> 00:50:21.835
event happened and there'll be a caption

00:50:21.876 --> 00:50:24.338
like this happened in war drums issue four

00:50:24.358 --> 00:50:24.878
or whatever.

00:50:24.898 --> 00:50:24.938
OK.

00:50:26.126 --> 00:50:28.088
It's kind of like when Marvel Now

00:50:28.128 --> 00:50:28.608
happened,

00:50:29.128 --> 00:50:31.307
where they kind of soft rebooted the

00:50:31.347 --> 00:50:33.188
entire Marvel Comics universe.

00:50:33.509 --> 00:50:36.429
And then they kind of caught and picked

00:50:36.489 --> 00:50:38.309
everything that they wanted to keep and

00:50:38.329 --> 00:50:39.251
things they didn't want to keep.

00:50:39.510 --> 00:50:40.931
And that's kind of, in a way,

00:50:41.271 --> 00:50:42.530
in my opinion, what we've kind of done.

00:50:42.550 --> 00:50:45.231
It's like the Phantom Hawk reboot has

00:50:45.311 --> 00:50:47.932
really kind of begun this...

00:50:49.454 --> 00:50:52.735
kind of not a restart, but like, Hey,

00:50:52.775 --> 00:50:53.956
this is what we're doing now.

00:50:53.996 --> 00:50:54.998
This is the standard.

00:50:55.498 --> 00:50:57.400
And that was happening at the same time

00:50:57.440 --> 00:50:59.081
as not the same time,

00:50:59.121 --> 00:51:02.023
but they were being produced nearly the

00:51:02.063 --> 00:51:02.704
same time.

00:51:02.824 --> 00:51:03.824
And it was like,

00:51:03.844 --> 00:51:04.786
we'd get art from him.

00:51:05.266 --> 00:51:06.646
And then we get art from heartstroke and

00:51:06.686 --> 00:51:08.989
just like, okay, cool.

00:51:09.268 --> 00:51:10.570
We need a new artist for this other

00:51:10.610 --> 00:51:13.092
title because these guys have just kicked

00:51:13.112 --> 00:51:13.512
this up.

00:51:15.313 --> 00:51:16.373
Where are we going to find for this?

00:51:17.135 --> 00:51:18.655
And not that we fired anybody.

00:51:18.875 --> 00:51:21.795
Things happened in the business before I

00:51:21.835 --> 00:51:22.436
got involved.

00:51:22.835 --> 00:51:23.596
So it was like, okay,

00:51:23.655 --> 00:51:26.396
let's make sure we've taken that next

00:51:26.416 --> 00:51:26.657
step.

00:51:26.677 --> 00:51:28.717
The young group that has come up

00:51:28.918 --> 00:51:31.938
underneath us is, or behind us,

00:51:31.978 --> 00:51:35.940
I guess you say, is much more talented,

00:51:35.980 --> 00:51:36.780
but they're raw.

00:51:37.099 --> 00:51:39.820
We can forge these guys and help them

00:51:39.840 --> 00:51:40.681
do what they need to do.

00:51:41.541 --> 00:51:44.143
And it really was just kind of a

00:51:44.262 --> 00:51:45.543
nice kind of like, hey,

00:51:45.884 --> 00:51:48.844
now we're doing some cool stuff.

00:51:49.326 --> 00:51:52.206
What's really cool is that we have artists

00:51:52.748 --> 00:51:55.748
like Harsh here that really believe in the

00:51:55.789 --> 00:51:57.670
character.

00:51:57.710 --> 00:51:59.592
They have an investment with what they're

00:51:59.632 --> 00:51:59.952
drawing.

00:52:00.092 --> 00:52:02.172
I think that's important because it brings

00:52:02.233 --> 00:52:03.393
out a certain...

00:52:04.585 --> 00:52:06.565
next level element to it when they do

00:52:06.606 --> 00:52:08.786
their artwork and you can see that in

00:52:08.827 --> 00:52:11.548
harsh's work on quick wire that he did

00:52:11.588 --> 00:52:15.710
have a relationship with this character so

00:52:16.291 --> 00:52:19.072
he elevated it and kind of pushed himself

00:52:19.432 --> 00:52:20.833
you know because if you see any of

00:52:20.853 --> 00:52:23.434
his previous work it is good it's solid

00:52:23.695 --> 00:52:25.775
but you can tell that with quick wire

00:52:25.795 --> 00:52:27.836
there is an emotional involvement there

00:52:28.536 --> 00:52:30.637
like you can always tell when the artist

00:52:30.657 --> 00:52:32.478
is passionate about what they're doing it

00:52:32.498 --> 00:52:33.960
shows in the art so

00:52:34.619 --> 00:52:38.085
Is all the characters within Apogee all in

00:52:38.125 --> 00:52:38.965
the same universe,

00:52:39.005 --> 00:52:40.246
or is it separate universes,

00:52:40.306 --> 00:52:42.010
or is everything tied together?

00:52:43.351 --> 00:52:44.432
It's a shared universe.

00:52:44.492 --> 00:52:48.998
Quickwire is going to work with Slayer and

00:52:49.018 --> 00:52:49.918
Prime at some point.

00:52:49.940 --> 00:52:51.181
He's going to work with Phantom Hawk at

00:52:51.221 --> 00:52:51.621
some point.

00:52:51.641 --> 00:52:52.963
He's going to work with Bengali at some

00:52:53.043 --> 00:52:53.304
point.

00:52:54.027 --> 00:52:56.088
He's going to work with Corvin Sparrow at

00:52:56.148 --> 00:52:56.688
some point.

00:52:56.989 --> 00:52:59.130
So there's a shared universe there where

00:52:59.150 --> 00:53:00.570
we get to tie the universe together.

00:53:00.590 --> 00:53:02.012
And we do these things in four issue

00:53:02.052 --> 00:53:02.572
blocks,

00:53:04.193 --> 00:53:06.634
mainly because we can't produce a monthly.

00:53:08.213 --> 00:53:09.994
So we got to keep it as like

00:53:10.114 --> 00:53:12.856
almost like a graphic novel-esque.

00:53:13.456 --> 00:53:14.197
Yeah.

00:53:14.237 --> 00:53:14.498
You know,

00:53:14.518 --> 00:53:16.398
it's like four floppies we'll put into a

00:53:16.418 --> 00:53:18.460
trade paperback, you know,

00:53:18.701 --> 00:53:19.802
because people don't like trade

00:53:19.822 --> 00:53:20.322
paperbacks.

00:53:20.961 --> 00:53:22.063
But, you know,

00:53:22.103 --> 00:53:23.224
we leave it open like that.

00:53:23.284 --> 00:53:25.244
So we can fill in the voids in

00:53:25.264 --> 00:53:27.186
between these stories of, hey,

00:53:27.726 --> 00:53:29.248
Quickware worked with Slater Prime and

00:53:29.268 --> 00:53:30.648
they were doing some really crazy stuff

00:53:30.668 --> 00:53:31.048
together.

00:53:31.289 --> 00:53:33.110
They were doing this like booster gold and

00:53:33.130 --> 00:53:34.411
blue beetle level thing.

00:53:34.666 --> 00:53:35.208
Bloody confident.

00:53:35.327 --> 00:53:35.889
Ooh.

00:53:36.409 --> 00:53:37.130
Ooh.

00:53:37.251 --> 00:53:38.974
You know?

00:53:38.994 --> 00:53:39.293
Ooh, classic.

00:53:39.454 --> 00:53:39.755
I like it.

00:53:39.815 --> 00:53:41.657
Like Spider-Man working with Batman,

00:53:41.717 --> 00:53:41.978
you know?

00:53:41.998 --> 00:53:42.599
It's just like...

00:53:43.179 --> 00:53:45.764
So you really can kind of see the

00:53:45.844 --> 00:53:49.048
influence of what we grew up reading

00:53:50.010 --> 00:53:52.851
and how those stories kind of like convey

00:53:52.971 --> 00:53:54.032
out to the rest of the world and

00:53:54.112 --> 00:53:55.911
what we're producing without you we're all

00:53:55.952 --> 00:53:58.612
big fans of like nineties level you know

00:53:58.632 --> 00:54:00.554
ninety level image you know and that

00:54:01.414 --> 00:54:06.436
michael bay level of just craziness like

00:54:06.536 --> 00:54:08.896
storytelling there's no politics being

00:54:08.976 --> 00:54:10.737
rammed down your throat we're not doing

00:54:10.818 --> 00:54:10.958
any

00:54:11.077 --> 00:54:11.418
of that.

00:54:11.478 --> 00:54:13.001
We're just telling good stories.

00:54:13.021 --> 00:54:13.563
I love it.

00:54:13.583 --> 00:54:16.146
The important thing is that comic books

00:54:16.228 --> 00:54:17.289
are escapism,

00:54:17.309 --> 00:54:18.711
just like any other type of form of

00:54:18.751 --> 00:54:19.753
media.

00:54:20.355 --> 00:54:22.018
I read a comic book because I want

00:54:22.038 --> 00:54:23.300
to escape my reality.

00:54:23.831 --> 00:54:26.891
And if I bring in real too much

00:54:26.992 --> 00:54:29.072
real world stuff and it's not allegory,

00:54:29.092 --> 00:54:30.094
it's not subtext,

00:54:30.594 --> 00:54:32.675
then I'm going to lose my audience because

00:54:33.434 --> 00:54:34.275
reality.

00:54:34.815 --> 00:54:35.456
And they're like, man,

00:54:35.496 --> 00:54:37.097
I read this so I can escape reality.

00:54:37.137 --> 00:54:39.217
And here I am being just having to

00:54:39.257 --> 00:54:40.858
shove down my throat in a comic book

00:54:40.878 --> 00:54:42.460
that I just paid three ninety nine for.

00:54:43.822 --> 00:54:44.021
Yeah.

00:54:44.041 --> 00:54:45.902
You know, or five bucks or whatever.

00:54:46.322 --> 00:54:47.103
Yeah.

00:54:47.143 --> 00:54:47.382
Shit.

00:54:47.422 --> 00:54:48.123
Seven ninety nine.

00:54:48.164 --> 00:54:49.963
If it's some of the newer D.C.

00:54:50.003 --> 00:54:50.443
titles.

00:54:51.045 --> 00:54:51.324
Yeah.

00:54:51.405 --> 00:54:53.945
So crazy because they had that hashtag and

00:54:53.965 --> 00:54:56.246
that that whole advertising and marketing

00:54:56.286 --> 00:54:59.648
campaigns like no line above three ninety

00:54:59.708 --> 00:55:00.168
nine.

00:55:00.867 --> 00:55:01.268
You know,

00:55:01.927 --> 00:55:03.588
the only person who's done that is Todd

00:55:03.628 --> 00:55:04.289
McFarlane.

00:55:04.989 --> 00:55:05.128
Yeah.

00:55:05.170 --> 00:55:05.929
With Spawn.

00:55:07.110 --> 00:55:08.891
But two ninety nine or one ninety nine,

00:55:08.911 --> 00:55:09.471
something like that.

00:55:09.490 --> 00:55:10.471
It's one ninety nine, I think,

00:55:10.510 --> 00:55:12.092
for the OG Spawn still.

00:55:13.519 --> 00:55:13.599
Yeah,

00:55:13.679 --> 00:55:14.740
and you get to – that's what happens

00:55:14.760 --> 00:55:15.900
when you print out of China,

00:55:15.940 --> 00:55:16.420
which is great.

00:55:16.481 --> 00:55:18.282
I've done that.

00:55:18.322 --> 00:55:19.362
I'll just print it out of China.

00:55:21.643 --> 00:55:25.625
But so that's kind of like the precipice

00:55:25.664 --> 00:55:27.126
of Apogee and what we're trying to achieve

00:55:27.166 --> 00:55:30.086
here is we want stories that you can

00:55:30.126 --> 00:55:33.188
connect with and enjoy some escapism for

00:55:33.688 --> 00:55:34.548
twenty-four pages.

00:55:36.108 --> 00:55:36.429
I like it.

00:55:36.449 --> 00:55:37.769
So do you all have a –

00:55:40.264 --> 00:55:42.146
a specific shop that y'all like to print

00:55:42.186 --> 00:55:43.728
with or do y'all just kind of like

00:55:43.768 --> 00:55:45.931
shop it around?

00:55:46.311 --> 00:55:48.934
We started with the online thing.

00:55:51.056 --> 00:55:51.657
Okay.

00:55:51.677 --> 00:55:54.362
Which has benefited us so far.

00:55:54.961 --> 00:55:55.182
Mm-hmm.

00:55:55.961 --> 00:55:57.822
like slur and prime was a book I

00:55:57.864 --> 00:55:59.764
paid for at a pocket for art and

00:55:59.804 --> 00:56:00.585
all that stuff.

00:56:01.405 --> 00:56:02.726
And, uh,

00:56:02.827 --> 00:56:04.588
I put it as a presale on the

00:56:04.608 --> 00:56:06.949
website and it funded the book.

00:56:07.550 --> 00:56:09.172
It pretty much reimbursed me everything I

00:56:09.192 --> 00:56:10.052
spent on it.

00:56:10.452 --> 00:56:10.853
Okay.

00:56:10.873 --> 00:56:12.574
They'll keep getting orders for it,

00:56:13.755 --> 00:56:15.697
especially with slur and prime because the

00:56:15.737 --> 00:56:17.077
whole premise of the book is I want

00:56:17.137 --> 00:56:19.059
a cool hand Luke in space.

00:56:19.380 --> 00:56:20.380
Oh dude.

00:56:20.521 --> 00:56:20.981
Yes.

00:56:21.802 --> 00:56:23.362
That's what's up.

00:56:23.402 --> 00:56:23.722
So I,

00:56:25.938 --> 00:56:28.324
I tried to put in a...

00:56:28.405 --> 00:56:30.009
Or she'll have to go and Google Cool

00:56:30.028 --> 00:56:33.077
Hand Luke later.

00:56:33.117 --> 00:56:33.818
She's just a baby.

00:56:33.838 --> 00:56:34.880
But...

00:56:38.759 --> 00:56:39.478
I don't know.

00:56:39.539 --> 00:56:39.998
It's a great movie.

00:56:40.018 --> 00:56:40.418
Yeah, I miss it much.

00:56:40.438 --> 00:56:43.179
It really is.

00:56:43.199 --> 00:56:44.559
The Letter of Prime was cool hand Luke

00:56:44.579 --> 00:56:45.280
in space.

00:56:46.599 --> 00:56:50.360
Phantom Hawk was my love letter to the

00:56:50.380 --> 00:56:52.240
guys I served in Iraq with,

00:56:52.561 --> 00:56:54.922
mixed in with some Batman and Punisher and

00:56:54.961 --> 00:56:55.862
some other elements.

00:56:55.961 --> 00:56:57.742
Like, if you read the book,

00:56:58.202 --> 00:56:59.041
you'd be like, okay,

00:56:59.081 --> 00:57:00.483
this is what this dude was into.

00:57:00.503 --> 00:57:00.762
Mm-hmm.

00:57:02.168 --> 00:57:03.248
And then Slaren Prime,

00:57:03.949 --> 00:57:05.512
he's not a fan of the Nova Corps

00:57:05.572 --> 00:57:07.554
or Green Lantern Corps.

00:57:07.634 --> 00:57:09.717
But what if he doesn't have a core?

00:57:09.737 --> 00:57:10.577
What if it's just him?

00:57:10.617 --> 00:57:12.059
What if he's the sole survivor of his

00:57:12.099 --> 00:57:12.559
planet?

00:57:13.481 --> 00:57:14.461
Quickwire is like,

00:57:14.942 --> 00:57:16.284
I always wanted a speedster,

00:57:16.623 --> 00:57:18.706
but I wanted the speedster to be

00:57:19.407 --> 00:57:20.989
independent of the troops.

00:57:22.313 --> 00:57:24.233
And that's where Matthew came in and with

00:57:24.273 --> 00:57:25.454
his brilliant storytelling,

00:57:26.034 --> 00:57:30.356
we just ripped on every speedster trope in

00:57:30.376 --> 00:57:30.916
that book.

00:57:31.175 --> 00:57:35.277
That whole four issue arc is us just

00:57:36.257 --> 00:57:38.139
ripping on the speedster arc,

00:57:38.639 --> 00:57:39.880
the speedster tropes.

00:57:40.800 --> 00:57:42.340
And it's so funny too when I read

00:57:42.380 --> 00:57:44.742
it because I'm also an artist in the

00:57:44.802 --> 00:57:45.121
company.

00:57:45.541 --> 00:57:46.541
So when I read a script,

00:57:46.621 --> 00:57:47.922
it plays like a movie in my head.

00:57:49.641 --> 00:57:51.342
And so with the dialogue and the screen

00:57:51.382 --> 00:57:53.505
description or the panel description,

00:57:54.585 --> 00:57:55.626
you know, there's a scene in there.

00:57:55.646 --> 00:57:55.987
He's like,

00:57:56.646 --> 00:57:58.527
just don't put me on an airfield with

00:57:58.588 --> 00:58:01.570
like some like motorcycle gear, you know,

00:58:01.610 --> 00:58:02.791
so I don't hurt myself.

00:58:03.572 --> 00:58:04.152
And then they,

00:58:04.172 --> 00:58:05.472
that's exactly what they do.

00:58:05.594 --> 00:58:06.653
And he calls them out on it.

00:58:06.673 --> 00:58:09.155
It's like, see, I told you,

00:58:09.615 --> 00:58:11.038
I told you we'd be on an abandoned

00:58:11.097 --> 00:58:11.657
airfield one.

00:58:13.621 --> 00:58:15.681
yeah there's that the moment where his

00:58:15.742 --> 00:58:17.262
brother's like hey i need to take you

00:58:17.282 --> 00:58:18.523
to my work so we can do the

00:58:18.563 --> 00:58:20.485
test and then they walk in and he's

00:58:20.505 --> 00:58:21.965
carrying a motorcycle helmet he's like why

00:58:22.005 --> 00:58:24.027
do you have your helmet he's like oh

00:58:24.086 --> 00:58:25.208
i know i'm gonna end up running and

00:58:25.248 --> 00:58:26.568
i'm not gonna eat bugs when i do

00:58:26.588 --> 00:58:28.929
that and then that's all he keeps saying

00:58:28.969 --> 00:58:30.851
is i'm gonna run i wanna run i

00:58:30.891 --> 00:58:32.251
wanna i know i'm gonna run and they're

00:58:32.271 --> 00:58:33.672
like you're not running there's no reason

00:58:33.693 --> 00:58:36.835
for you to run well and five minutes

00:58:36.914 --> 00:58:37.876
later yeah

00:58:39.686 --> 00:58:42.429
Many moments later, you know,

00:58:42.469 --> 00:58:43.831
and he's trying to phase through a wall

00:58:43.851 --> 00:58:44.871
and eat shit.

00:58:46.132 --> 00:58:47.554
Because that's not a thing in this

00:58:47.673 --> 00:58:48.114
universe.

00:58:48.135 --> 00:58:50.317
You don't get to vibrate your molecules to

00:58:50.376 --> 00:58:51.378
the point where you can phase through

00:58:51.677 --> 00:58:53.480
matter like it defies physics.

00:58:54.161 --> 00:58:54.840
Hey, come on.

00:58:54.900 --> 00:58:57.163
Barry's only figuring it out too.

00:58:57.824 --> 00:58:58.824
And we're just going to leave...

00:59:00.315 --> 00:59:01.036
Barry Allen with Barry Allen.

00:59:01.056 --> 00:59:02.577
We leave Wally West with Wally West.

00:59:03.018 --> 00:59:04.858
You know, Tyler's his own deal.

00:59:05.398 --> 00:59:07.360
And he has a mixture of a lot

00:59:07.400 --> 00:59:10.402
of other character personality traits,

00:59:10.563 --> 00:59:11.643
like fourth wall.

00:59:12.164 --> 00:59:13.184
You know, so I'll do that.

00:59:14.465 --> 00:59:16.407
Breaking the fourth wall is something that

00:59:16.706 --> 00:59:18.148
that's the one thing I'll give Deadpool.

00:59:18.188 --> 00:59:19.387
He's very good at.

00:59:19.969 --> 00:59:21.849
And I will also say that she Hulk,

00:59:21.909 --> 00:59:22.911
when she has done it,

00:59:22.931 --> 00:59:25.592
she's done it very appropriately.

00:59:26.293 --> 00:59:28.875
And when it's done appropriately,

00:59:29.871 --> 00:59:30.112
Dude,

00:59:30.132 --> 00:59:31.693
there's nothing that could be better than

00:59:32.012 --> 00:59:34.353
a fourth wall break done perfectly.

00:59:35.454 --> 00:59:36.715
When they know they're a character.

00:59:36.755 --> 00:59:40.175
Matthew nailed it perfectly.

00:59:40.376 --> 00:59:40.596
Like,

00:59:40.735 --> 00:59:43.418
the fourth wall breaks are completely...

00:59:43.878 --> 00:59:45.398
I wouldn't say they're entirely unique,

00:59:45.418 --> 00:59:47.398
but they're definitely uniquely done.

00:59:48.239 --> 00:59:50.840
So, Tyler's kind of like...

00:59:51.221 --> 00:59:52.340
He's definitely a gen...

00:59:52.360 --> 00:59:55.061
What would you say he is?

00:59:55.262 --> 00:59:55.643
Millennial?

00:59:55.702 --> 00:59:56.362
No, no, no.

00:59:58.065 --> 01:00:00.248
No, I think it's Gen Z, right?

01:00:00.268 --> 01:00:01.528
I think it's Gen Z, yeah.

01:00:01.588 --> 01:00:04.672
Because his vernacular is based off my

01:00:05.192 --> 01:00:05.913
second daughter.

01:00:06.313 --> 01:00:07.153
The way that she talks.

01:00:07.173 --> 01:00:09.956
He uses words like bussin' and no cap

01:00:10.157 --> 01:00:10.958
and deadass.

01:00:11.257 --> 01:00:11.958
Yeah, slave.

01:00:11.978 --> 01:00:13.420
Yeah, that's my daughter's thing.

01:00:13.920 --> 01:00:16.483
Yeah, I got two daughters in college.

01:00:16.523 --> 01:00:17.422
Oh my God.

01:00:17.443 --> 01:00:17.784
Same.

01:00:18.184 --> 01:00:19.045
I got one in college.

01:00:19.344 --> 01:00:19.764
That's it.

01:00:20.465 --> 01:00:21.206
I stopped at one.

01:00:21.306 --> 01:00:21.887
I got smart.

01:00:22.788 --> 01:00:23.369
Yeah.

01:00:23.449 --> 01:00:27.313
Well, my crown and achievement,

01:00:27.353 --> 01:00:28.195
I stopped at one.

01:00:28.815 --> 01:00:29.637
Not to be too crude,

01:00:29.657 --> 01:00:31.440
but my pullout game was weak apparently.

01:00:31.920 --> 01:00:35.545
So like we use that vernacular in the

01:00:35.565 --> 01:00:35.846
way.

01:00:36.065 --> 01:00:37.427
No judging here, buddy.

01:00:39.215 --> 01:00:44.438
you know so Matthew's writing in that with

01:00:44.458 --> 01:00:47.300
the fourth wall break was I was busting

01:00:47.320 --> 01:00:49.882
up laughing one of the few times I

01:00:49.922 --> 01:00:51.762
call him directly instead of him calling

01:00:51.782 --> 01:00:53.543
me I'm like hey dude this shit was

01:00:53.583 --> 01:00:55.806
hilarious I was like I laughed I got

01:00:55.846 --> 01:00:58.306
laughed for like a good ten minutes you

01:00:58.327 --> 01:00:59.887
know with the fourth wall break and

01:00:59.927 --> 01:01:01.509
hopefully the audience experiences the

01:01:01.548 --> 01:01:03.851
same thing that I did if not I'm

01:01:03.891 --> 01:01:05.331
not giving you your money back it's mine

01:01:05.351 --> 01:01:06.391
forever but

01:01:07.432 --> 01:01:08.554
It's already been spent.

01:01:08.853 --> 01:01:09.514
Tough shit.

01:01:11.856 --> 01:01:13.057
Did the sun go down there?

01:01:13.137 --> 01:01:13.858
Harsh stroke?

01:01:15.219 --> 01:01:16.501
It's all going to harsh stroke.

01:01:16.521 --> 01:01:21.485
What is the payment system we call it?

01:01:22.144 --> 01:01:22.525
Payoneer.

01:01:22.565 --> 01:01:23.085
Payoneer.

01:01:28.010 --> 01:01:30.612
I laughed hysterically and then Harsh went

01:01:30.632 --> 01:01:32.172
in there and put visuals to it and

01:01:32.713 --> 01:01:34.215
sold the joke even more.

01:01:35.036 --> 01:01:36.297
It's like so...

01:01:37.148 --> 01:01:38.708
When you have that team,

01:01:38.748 --> 01:01:39.750
that communication,

01:01:40.050 --> 01:01:41.911
and the artist is like,

01:01:42.213 --> 01:01:43.052
I'm in on the joke,

01:01:43.213 --> 01:01:44.414
I know how to make the joke better,

01:01:44.554 --> 01:01:45.635
and then I'm going to do that.

01:01:46.596 --> 01:01:48.277
I'm not saying we're breaking the fourth

01:01:48.297 --> 01:01:49.398
wall every issue,

01:01:49.458 --> 01:01:51.039
but at least in the first issue,

01:01:51.059 --> 01:01:52.280
it's like, hey, this is my story.

01:01:52.300 --> 01:01:54.862
You're probably wondering how I got here.

01:01:55.204 --> 01:01:55.943
Yeah.

01:01:55.963 --> 01:01:57.485
His captions break the fourth wall.

01:01:57.545 --> 01:01:59.166
The last page, he definitely does it.

01:01:59.547 --> 01:02:01.628
He does an entire... In the second issue,

01:02:01.648 --> 01:02:05.873
he does an entire two-page speech breaking

01:02:05.913 --> 01:02:06.693
the fourth wall.

01:02:06.914 --> 01:02:07.775
That's awesome.

01:02:08.615 --> 01:02:09.956
But I think, too, like...

01:02:11.519 --> 01:02:13.561
I've always had this thing about like,

01:02:14.282 --> 01:02:15.583
it seems like every single combo

01:02:15.623 --> 01:02:16.103
character,

01:02:16.483 --> 01:02:20.485
like they're begrudgingly a hero or the

01:02:20.525 --> 01:02:22.347
hero life has weighed them down.

01:02:22.427 --> 01:02:23.306
And I'm like, what if this,

01:02:23.327 --> 01:02:24.648
this young kid who like,

01:02:25.188 --> 01:02:27.530
he's been dreaming that this might happen

01:02:27.630 --> 01:02:27.949
one day,

01:02:28.030 --> 01:02:29.471
even though he knows it never would.

01:02:29.891 --> 01:02:31.132
And then it randomly happens.

01:02:31.211 --> 01:02:33.213
And he's like, this is the coolest thing.

01:02:33.634 --> 01:02:36.155
And just have him be truly excited about

01:02:36.715 --> 01:02:38.217
not only having superpowers, but.

01:02:38.856 --> 01:02:40.980
the idea of actually getting to be a

01:02:41.059 --> 01:02:42.922
hero, you know, like I, I,

01:02:43.222 --> 01:02:44.925
I like to believe that most people are

01:02:44.965 --> 01:02:45.224
good.

01:02:45.626 --> 01:02:45.826
Look,

01:02:45.925 --> 01:02:49.670
if I could somehow pull off being Batman

01:02:49.951 --> 01:02:50.552
or, well,

01:02:50.592 --> 01:02:52.313
probably more Nightwing because he's all

01:02:52.353 --> 01:02:52.954
over my office.

01:02:53.315 --> 01:02:53.795
And that's,

01:02:54.710 --> 01:02:56.951
like Nightwing or Superman.

01:02:58.112 --> 01:02:59.251
I know everybody wants to go like, well,

01:02:59.291 --> 01:03:00.672
you'd probably end up being a Homelander.

01:03:00.853 --> 01:03:01.693
No.

01:03:02.594 --> 01:03:05.094
I really would want to be that dude

01:03:05.135 --> 01:03:07.795
who's doing things and helping people.

01:03:07.856 --> 01:03:09.097
And look.

01:03:10.177 --> 01:03:11.476
not to go too far into this because

01:03:11.516 --> 01:03:12.657
i don't want to start a big debate

01:03:12.717 --> 01:03:15.297
but like look i'm i'm going to be

01:03:15.318 --> 01:03:17.159
the corn sweat superman i'm not going to

01:03:17.179 --> 01:03:21.440
be dour let me let horses die freaking

01:03:21.500 --> 01:03:24.619
cavil superman like and i think watch your

01:03:24.659 --> 01:03:26.960
mouth sir oh we can get that argument

01:03:27.041 --> 01:03:29.820
millions of snyder fans just rolled over

01:03:29.960 --> 01:03:31.222
in their mom's basement

01:03:34.302 --> 01:03:37.083
But my point more is that to have

01:03:37.123 --> 01:03:38.304
somebody like Quickwire,

01:03:38.583 --> 01:03:40.423
because Phantom Hawk is all the things of

01:03:40.463 --> 01:03:41.945
like, this is my mission.

01:03:42.585 --> 01:03:44.364
And my intent is to make sure that

01:03:44.505 --> 01:03:45.606
I fulfill my mission.

01:03:45.985 --> 01:03:47.005
And if you get in the way,

01:03:47.025 --> 01:03:47.786
then I'm sorry.

01:03:48.347 --> 01:03:49.487
That's your own bad.

01:03:49.927 --> 01:03:51.148
And Quickwire's like, no, bro.

01:03:51.327 --> 01:03:52.248
Like, watch this part.

01:03:53.128 --> 01:03:53.469
You know,

01:03:53.809 --> 01:03:57.010
and I think that's that's having that that

01:03:57.190 --> 01:03:58.811
difference and letting and Nick.

01:03:59.391 --> 01:03:59.572
Look,

01:03:59.753 --> 01:04:01.594
Nick did not know what he was getting

01:04:01.653 --> 01:04:01.954
into.

01:04:02.193 --> 01:04:03.675
He just knew he wanted a speedster.

01:04:05.596 --> 01:04:07.016
No, dude, I like that.

01:04:07.056 --> 01:04:09.818
But it's one of those where I've been

01:04:09.838 --> 01:04:10.958
around long enough and I was in the

01:04:10.998 --> 01:04:11.958
military long enough.

01:04:12.199 --> 01:04:13.019
I would be the Red Hood.

01:04:14.688 --> 01:04:16.309
Sorry, but I'm packing pistols,

01:04:16.349 --> 01:04:17.791
and I'm just going to be like, oh,

01:04:18.452 --> 01:04:19.311
boop.

01:04:20.512 --> 01:04:21.594
This is the weird thing,

01:04:21.634 --> 01:04:24.036
and this is better than Captain Matthew's

01:04:24.076 --> 01:04:25.858
writing, because he writes Phantomon,

01:04:26.539 --> 01:04:28.119
who's the reluctant hero.

01:04:28.199 --> 01:04:30.101
He doesn't want to be a hero.

01:04:30.181 --> 01:04:31.202
He's mission-focused,

01:04:31.722 --> 01:04:32.643
and he's got shit to do.

01:04:32.664 --> 01:04:35.226
You're in my way.

01:04:35.266 --> 01:04:35.987
One way or the other,

01:04:36.007 --> 01:04:36.907
you get in my way.

01:04:36.927 --> 01:04:39.429
So there's elements of Punisher and Red

01:04:39.449 --> 01:04:39.730
Hood.

01:04:40.110 --> 01:04:40.230
Mm-hmm.

01:04:41.251 --> 01:04:44.173
in that story and then you go do

01:04:44.193 --> 01:04:46.934
a complete one eighty with this fun jovial

01:04:46.994 --> 01:04:50.016
hero that's really embracing that because

01:04:50.056 --> 01:04:51.117
it's the coolest thing that's ever

01:04:51.157 --> 01:04:53.177
happened in his life but then you brought

01:04:53.217 --> 01:04:56.380
in a young artist to draw it that

01:04:56.440 --> 01:04:59.201
helps a lot i think that was needed

01:04:59.240 --> 01:05:02.702
because of the energy that that character

01:05:02.762 --> 01:05:06.065
represents he needed a youthful artist

01:05:08.588 --> 01:05:09.989
know and i and harsh is just delivered

01:05:10.010 --> 01:05:11.610
page after page after page you're getting

01:05:11.630 --> 01:05:12.909
i like it i like to hear it

01:05:13.369 --> 01:05:15.130
like twenty two or twenty four pages of

01:05:15.271 --> 01:05:17.090
awesomeness we work on so many books i

01:05:17.110 --> 01:05:18.150
don't know how many pages there are

01:05:18.170 --> 01:05:21.612
sometimes so so are all your books like

01:05:21.632 --> 01:05:23.393
in that twenty four page range are you

01:05:23.432 --> 01:05:25.833
like the twenty four to thirty two we

01:05:25.853 --> 01:05:27.572
keep using the twenty four to thirty two

01:05:27.592 --> 01:05:30.014
page range okay like

01:05:30.443 --> 01:05:33.204
Any artist or writer that I hire,

01:05:33.385 --> 01:05:36.686
and Matt can affirm this,

01:05:37.427 --> 01:05:38.507
when they ask me questions like, well,

01:05:38.527 --> 01:05:39.728
how many pages is it going to be?

01:05:39.768 --> 01:05:40.108
I'm like,

01:05:40.728 --> 01:05:41.728
as long as you need to tell the

01:05:41.748 --> 01:05:42.088
story.

01:05:43.208 --> 01:05:45.130
That's all I need.

01:05:45.250 --> 01:05:46.951
I give them a lot of free range

01:05:47.110 --> 01:05:49.552
in the sandbox of, oh,

01:05:50.112 --> 01:05:51.753
I almost said it wrong myself.

01:05:53.652 --> 01:05:54.393
My bad, dude.

01:05:54.632 --> 01:05:55.853
Hey, I'll own that one.

01:05:55.873 --> 01:05:56.675
That one's on me.

01:05:57.076 --> 01:05:58.376
Don't mess me up, son.

01:05:58.936 --> 01:06:02.981
So when you show up to the sandbox

01:06:03.041 --> 01:06:03.961
of Apogee, I'm like,

01:06:04.262 --> 01:06:05.364
as long as you need to tell the

01:06:05.384 --> 01:06:05.804
story,

01:06:06.344 --> 01:06:07.626
and I will let you know if you

01:06:07.666 --> 01:06:09.708
cross a line or you're doing something the

01:06:09.728 --> 01:06:10.389
character wouldn't do.

01:06:11.112 --> 01:06:11.271
You know,

01:06:11.291 --> 01:06:13.393
so you get a lot of free range

01:06:13.512 --> 01:06:15.012
and Matthew's kind of like complimenting,

01:06:15.152 --> 01:06:15.673
like, Hey man,

01:06:15.713 --> 01:06:17.074
like I've never had so much fun working

01:06:17.094 --> 01:06:17.454
on a book.

01:06:17.474 --> 01:06:19.135
I'm like, because I'm,

01:06:19.355 --> 01:06:20.735
I'm very little hands-on.

01:06:20.755 --> 01:06:21.795
It's like,

01:06:21.835 --> 01:06:22.876
I tell you what the core of the

01:06:22.916 --> 01:06:23.675
character is.

01:06:24.096 --> 01:06:25.817
And that's the problem with like with

01:06:25.856 --> 01:06:28.518
Phantom Hawk is that, um,

01:06:30.478 --> 01:06:31.739
everyone wants to write him as Batman,

01:06:31.759 --> 01:06:34.239
either want to write him as Batman or

01:06:34.260 --> 01:06:35.659
they want to write him as the Punisher.

01:06:36.101 --> 01:06:37.101
I'm like, that's not who he is.

01:06:38.822 --> 01:06:41.244
And Matthew understood that completely.

01:06:41.264 --> 01:06:43.724
Like, okay, so correct me if I'm wrong,

01:06:43.963 --> 01:06:45.304
is this who the character is?

01:06:45.364 --> 01:06:45.625
I'm like,

01:06:45.644 --> 01:06:47.144
that's absolutely who the character is.

01:06:47.485 --> 01:06:48.186
And he went to town.

01:06:48.826 --> 01:06:49.865
And then we come to Quickwater.

01:06:49.885 --> 01:06:51.126
I'm like, I want this speedster,

01:06:51.166 --> 01:06:52.746
but I don't want him to follow speedster

01:06:52.786 --> 01:06:53.226
tropes.

01:06:54.186 --> 01:06:54.467
You know,

01:06:54.887 --> 01:06:56.427
the original name for the character was

01:06:56.507 --> 01:06:56.927
Charger.

01:06:58.438 --> 01:07:00.780
and matthew just hit me with the hard

01:07:00.820 --> 01:07:03.461
questions like how in love are we with

01:07:03.481 --> 01:07:07.083
this name i'm like i'm not married to

01:07:07.184 --> 01:07:08.925
it you know so if you think of

01:07:08.945 --> 01:07:11.306
something better let me know hey then he

01:07:11.327 --> 01:07:13.467
could have been san diego's favorite son

01:07:13.487 --> 01:07:16.429
no that's where bengali comes in bengali

01:07:20.355 --> 01:07:20.454
Nice.

01:07:20.494 --> 01:07:21.735
I created them in Texas,

01:07:21.775 --> 01:07:24.538
even though I'm a San Diego resident.

01:07:24.557 --> 01:07:25.298
I was like,

01:07:25.378 --> 01:07:26.260
I never thought I was going to see

01:07:26.300 --> 01:07:28.742
the city again in my life and work

01:07:28.762 --> 01:07:29.302
being work.

01:07:29.362 --> 01:07:31.403
I'm now a San Diego resident.

01:07:31.784 --> 01:07:32.043
I'm like,

01:07:32.085 --> 01:07:34.507
this is so much cooler now because I'm

01:07:34.547 --> 01:07:36.188
here and I'm taking reference pictures for

01:07:36.208 --> 01:07:38.329
my artists while I'm out on the water

01:07:38.369 --> 01:07:39.311
in San Diego Bay.

01:07:39.331 --> 01:07:40.751
And here's a picture of the Midway and

01:07:40.771 --> 01:07:42.492
here's this and here's that.

01:07:43.414 --> 01:07:43.673
You know,

01:07:43.713 --> 01:07:44.934
so I'm able to add that element of

01:07:44.974 --> 01:07:45.715
realism to it.

01:07:50.063 --> 01:07:51.903
concerts like where are we going to put

01:07:51.923 --> 01:07:53.425
this dude i'm like i don't want to

01:07:53.465 --> 01:07:57.088
put him on the west coast with all

01:07:57.148 --> 01:07:58.009
my other heroes we're not trying to be

01:07:58.028 --> 01:07:59.630
west coast marvel you know he's like well

01:07:59.650 --> 01:08:02.652
you were in texas so what about a

01:08:02.672 --> 01:08:03.574
texas location i'm like all right cool how

01:08:03.594 --> 01:08:05.655
about dallas and show me some pictures i'm

01:08:05.675 --> 01:08:06.836
like i got a lot of friends that

01:08:06.856 --> 01:08:08.737
will be happy to hear that quick wire

01:08:08.818 --> 01:08:10.159
is in dallas because i got a lot

01:08:10.199 --> 01:08:12.201
of friends in dallas i got a lot

01:08:12.260 --> 01:08:14.103
of friends down in san antonio as well

01:08:15.172 --> 01:08:15.393
Yeah,

01:08:15.413 --> 01:08:17.132
so the majority of Apogee's Heroes are on

01:08:17.153 --> 01:08:17.934
the West Coast,

01:08:18.253 --> 01:08:20.354
like whatever made up city I made that

01:08:20.373 --> 01:08:21.394
I put in the Bay Area,

01:08:21.413 --> 01:08:22.514
like Presbyterian City,

01:08:22.774 --> 01:08:24.715
it's essentially Modesto, California.

01:08:25.154 --> 01:08:27.234
I just moved from Central Valley and moved

01:08:27.335 --> 01:08:29.414
it West into like San Jose's area,

01:08:29.435 --> 01:08:30.695
because who's gonna miss it?

01:08:31.416 --> 01:08:35.697
And Crimson Garden, it's in Foster City.

01:08:35.737 --> 01:08:36.837
So that's North Bay,

01:08:36.997 --> 01:08:38.216
that's north of San Francisco.

01:08:38.896 --> 01:08:41.037
And then I have Corvid and Sparrow who

01:08:41.136 --> 01:08:42.898
operate just kind of like wherever the

01:08:42.917 --> 01:08:43.738
hell they want to.

01:08:44.764 --> 01:08:46.305
And then I have Slaren Prime,

01:08:46.345 --> 01:08:47.845
who technically, I guess,

01:08:47.865 --> 01:08:50.386
would be in Cape Canaveral, you know,

01:08:50.407 --> 01:08:51.087
Florida.

01:08:52.427 --> 01:08:52.969
Or space.

01:08:53.368 --> 01:08:53.769
Or space.

01:08:53.788 --> 01:08:55.449
He's in space.

01:08:55.590 --> 01:08:57.350
I mean, the name would make sense then,

01:08:57.390 --> 01:08:57.730
right?

01:08:59.271 --> 01:08:59.591
Yeah.

01:08:59.712 --> 01:09:00.613
You want a Nova Corps dude,

01:09:00.632 --> 01:09:01.693
he's going to be in space all the

01:09:01.752 --> 01:09:01.894
time.

01:09:01.934 --> 01:09:02.514
I'm like, okay,

01:09:02.533 --> 01:09:03.573
but he has to show up to Earth

01:09:03.595 --> 01:09:05.055
every once in a while because he's got

01:09:05.074 --> 01:09:06.435
beef with one of the other heroes.

01:09:07.417 --> 01:09:07.537
And...

01:09:09.564 --> 01:09:10.784
So he's like, hey, how about Dallas?

01:09:10.805 --> 01:09:12.466
I'm like, Dallas is a cool town.

01:09:12.485 --> 01:09:14.646
It's got a great cityscape.

01:09:14.907 --> 01:09:15.087
Dude,

01:09:15.106 --> 01:09:17.328
Dallas has come a long way over the

01:09:17.368 --> 01:09:19.168
last like ten to fifteen years.

01:09:19.429 --> 01:09:20.829
I'm like, it's better than Waco, man.

01:09:20.850 --> 01:09:22.310
We're not trying to have like Chip and

01:09:22.350 --> 01:09:22.490
Joe.

01:09:22.530 --> 01:09:25.072
Hey, Waco's on the come up, okay?

01:09:25.131 --> 01:09:26.212
Waco's on the come up.

01:09:26.432 --> 01:09:26.773
Is it?

01:09:26.853 --> 01:09:27.654
Have you been there?

01:09:27.694 --> 01:09:27.873
No.

01:09:30.235 --> 01:09:32.097
but no the the reason for a while

01:09:32.217 --> 01:09:33.878
but i know dallas is eventually going to

01:09:33.920 --> 01:09:36.903
grow into waco i mean yeah it's it

01:09:36.922 --> 01:09:39.345
give it another way there well because

01:09:39.364 --> 01:09:41.948
that was my thing is like i'm i'm

01:09:42.309 --> 01:09:43.550
i live in a small town outside of

01:09:43.609 --> 01:09:46.472
houston and i thought about houston but my

01:09:46.512 --> 01:09:50.157
thing was like there isn't enough going on

01:09:50.256 --> 01:09:50.516
here

01:09:51.278 --> 01:09:52.939
And the advantage of going to Dallas and

01:09:52.979 --> 01:09:54.319
Heartstroke, you may not know any of this.

01:09:54.340 --> 01:09:54.780
I'm sorry.

01:09:54.801 --> 01:09:57.622
The geography of Texas or America.

01:09:57.962 --> 01:09:58.342
But like,

01:09:58.823 --> 01:10:02.565
so you have Dallas and Fort Worth that

01:10:02.586 --> 01:10:05.708
are within under like eighty miles of each

01:10:05.748 --> 01:10:05.969
other.

01:10:06.649 --> 01:10:08.189
I think they're growing into each other at

01:10:08.229 --> 01:10:08.490
this point.

01:10:08.570 --> 01:10:08.930
Yeah,

01:10:08.951 --> 01:10:10.212
they're pretty much growing into each

01:10:10.271 --> 01:10:10.511
other.

01:10:10.891 --> 01:10:12.634
So they're called the Metroplex.

01:10:13.373 --> 01:10:15.914
because it's two cities basically grow

01:10:15.975 --> 01:10:19.576
into melding as one and i just thought

01:10:19.615 --> 01:10:22.738
like putting him there you have so many

01:10:22.778 --> 01:10:24.998
more environments and opportunities for

01:10:25.038 --> 01:10:26.798
him to do something and given that he's

01:10:26.819 --> 01:10:28.479
a speedster he could be anywhere else

01:10:28.680 --> 01:10:31.720
quickly anyway so i just thought it would

01:10:31.740 --> 01:10:33.561
be a nice place to drop it because

01:10:33.582 --> 01:10:36.443
yeah so many people if they do texas

01:10:36.483 --> 01:10:38.623
they do like houston or or

01:10:39.344 --> 01:10:40.845
el paso or they don't even bother with

01:10:40.885 --> 01:10:42.666
texas you know what's funny you're in

01:10:42.725 --> 01:10:44.868
houston i just had chris ford on who

01:10:44.908 --> 01:10:47.670
does the comic book dark pink also from

01:10:47.710 --> 01:10:50.351
the houston area oh nice but his comic

01:10:50.372 --> 01:10:52.372
book takes place in new orleans and

01:10:52.412 --> 01:10:54.554
coincidence enough the guy i had on last

01:10:54.594 --> 01:10:57.817
night is canadian but his comic book also

01:10:57.856 --> 01:11:00.158
takes place in new orleans nice i got

01:11:00.198 --> 01:11:02.380
married to new orleans so sure i'm putting

01:11:02.420 --> 01:11:03.841
together a great

01:11:04.827 --> 01:11:07.627
streak for october and everybody that i'm

01:11:07.667 --> 01:11:10.768
talking to and interviewing everything

01:11:10.787 --> 01:11:12.668
that they're doing is all kind of like

01:11:13.088 --> 01:11:15.229
interlaid with each other in some form or

01:11:15.248 --> 01:11:16.470
fashion and i'm just putting all that

01:11:16.489 --> 01:11:19.510
together which is really cool no it it's

01:11:19.750 --> 01:11:25.070
i think texas i mean i've based stuff

01:11:25.211 --> 01:11:27.351
in the past here and i think that

01:11:27.391 --> 01:11:27.712
that's

01:11:29.594 --> 01:11:30.715
i don't think a lot of people quite

01:11:30.734 --> 01:11:33.037
understand one how vast the state really

01:11:33.136 --> 01:11:35.418
is no they really don't that's like a

01:11:35.439 --> 01:11:37.261
day and a half drive to get across

01:11:37.560 --> 01:11:39.743
yeah but even on top of that given

01:11:39.762 --> 01:11:42.725
the vastness like if i drive three hours

01:11:42.765 --> 01:11:45.407
in every any direction the environment

01:11:45.447 --> 01:11:45.967
changes

01:11:47.033 --> 01:11:48.215
If I go to San Antonio,

01:11:48.595 --> 01:11:49.716
it's much more green.

01:11:49.756 --> 01:11:52.179
It's not as humid.

01:11:52.599 --> 01:11:55.520
It's kind of more of the feel of

01:11:55.841 --> 01:11:57.222
getting closer to Mexico and that

01:11:57.262 --> 01:11:57.662
influence.

01:11:58.163 --> 01:11:59.104
I go to Austin,

01:11:59.185 --> 01:12:00.405
I'm suddenly in hill country.

01:12:00.945 --> 01:12:02.046
It's two and a half hours away,

01:12:02.327 --> 01:12:03.268
and there's nothing flat.

01:12:03.328 --> 01:12:04.809
Houston's almost completely flat.

01:12:05.069 --> 01:12:05.970
If I go up to Dallas,

01:12:06.091 --> 01:12:07.631
now you're talking about that standard

01:12:08.192 --> 01:12:09.353
city vibe.

01:12:09.833 --> 01:12:11.814
And then you go beyond all that.

01:12:11.855 --> 01:12:14.278
My daughter, she's in Abilene.

01:12:14.877 --> 01:12:16.059
One of my daughters in San Antonio,

01:12:16.078 --> 01:12:17.841
the other one's in Abilene, Abilene,

01:12:18.381 --> 01:12:20.082
and it flattens out again.

01:12:20.524 --> 01:12:20.823
And it's like,

01:12:20.884 --> 01:12:23.105
you can see Tuesday that way and Thursday

01:12:23.126 --> 01:12:23.487
that way.

01:12:23.506 --> 01:12:24.587
And you're just trying to get there as

01:12:24.627 --> 01:12:25.529
fast as possible.

01:12:26.409 --> 01:12:27.711
But I think there's just so many

01:12:27.791 --> 01:12:28.851
environments here.

01:12:29.112 --> 01:12:29.512
You know what?

01:12:29.653 --> 01:12:31.555
Everything South of I-Ten is just desert.

01:12:32.576 --> 01:12:33.055
I mean, yeah.

01:12:33.315 --> 01:12:35.198
And then there's a point where you can,

01:12:35.658 --> 01:12:36.800
there's a point where you're going down

01:12:36.979 --> 01:12:37.380
I-Ten.

01:12:38.194 --> 01:12:41.317
over here is Texas, over here is Mexico.

01:12:42.296 --> 01:12:43.597
I always thought that was really cool.

01:12:43.778 --> 01:12:45.619
I'm like, what's that over there?

01:12:46.000 --> 01:12:47.581
You see a big sign that says,

01:12:47.981 --> 01:12:50.264
do not cross your enter in Mexico.

01:12:50.283 --> 01:12:52.364
I'm like, oh, that's cool.

01:12:52.484 --> 01:12:55.247
Or you have blue skies and brown skies.

01:12:56.689 --> 01:12:57.708
Also very true.

01:12:58.750 --> 01:12:59.470
Sorry, Heartstroke.

01:12:59.490 --> 01:13:01.131
Those border towns, they have no...

01:13:01.731 --> 01:13:02.792
That's real.

01:13:03.253 --> 01:13:06.355
I will hold Nogales and Tijuana very close

01:13:06.376 --> 01:13:07.157
to my heart.

01:13:08.027 --> 01:13:09.528
Yeah.

01:13:09.547 --> 01:13:11.949
I've spent many of times in Nogales and

01:13:11.970 --> 01:13:12.430
Tijuana, all right?

01:13:12.449 --> 01:13:12.649
No, yeah.

01:13:12.831 --> 01:13:13.051
Yeah.

01:13:16.493 --> 01:13:16.773
But no,

01:13:17.033 --> 01:13:19.314
I think it has been a lot of

01:13:19.354 --> 01:13:21.356
fun working on Quickwire to kind of let

01:13:21.377 --> 01:13:22.818
loose because there are so many...

01:13:25.145 --> 01:13:26.646
I feel like, and that sounded weird,

01:13:26.667 --> 01:13:27.847
but I'm a child at heart.

01:13:28.048 --> 01:13:29.390
So to have fun... We all are, dude.

01:13:29.449 --> 01:13:29.789
Otherwise,

01:13:29.810 --> 01:13:33.113
we would not be sitting here right now.

01:13:33.154 --> 01:13:35.997
So there's another comic company where I

01:13:36.037 --> 01:13:37.557
had those characters that I had fun with.

01:13:37.597 --> 01:13:38.599
And then there were these characters that

01:13:38.619 --> 01:13:39.921
were more dark.

01:13:39.980 --> 01:13:42.923
And I think you have to have that

01:13:42.984 --> 01:13:43.404
gauntlet.

01:13:44.145 --> 01:13:45.786
and because the best part is like at

01:13:45.966 --> 01:13:47.688
some point quick wire and phantom hawk are

01:13:47.707 --> 01:13:50.170
going to have to talk and that's going

01:13:50.189 --> 01:13:52.411
to be mind-breaking to try and figure out

01:13:52.712 --> 01:13:55.793
what that meeting is going to be like

01:13:55.854 --> 01:13:57.354
well that's where i come in with the

01:13:57.414 --> 01:14:00.438
humor of phantom hawk because he's such a

01:14:00.537 --> 01:14:03.140
stoic character he's such a mission-driven

01:14:03.159 --> 01:14:07.063
character and then you have tyler who is

01:14:07.082 --> 01:14:09.024
just having the time as time of his

01:14:09.104 --> 01:14:09.944
life being a hero

01:14:10.579 --> 01:14:11.159
Yeah,

01:14:11.180 --> 01:14:12.622
that's that's awesome to think about,

01:14:12.662 --> 01:14:12.862
though,

01:14:13.202 --> 01:14:15.283
the dynamic you're going to get the right

01:14:15.844 --> 01:14:17.505
with those two characters eventually.

01:14:18.145 --> 01:14:20.127
Man, you were on glass number three.

01:14:20.688 --> 01:14:21.488
Well, technically four,

01:14:21.507 --> 01:14:23.850
because that's a pretty big glass that

01:14:23.869 --> 01:14:28.974
you've done filled twice.

01:14:29.054 --> 01:14:30.095
Do I take glasses I had before the

01:14:30.114 --> 01:14:30.335
show?

01:14:30.375 --> 01:14:31.074
Oh, no, I didn't know you pregame.

01:14:31.115 --> 01:14:32.657
Don't ask him.

01:14:32.697 --> 01:14:34.238
He's like, well, I bought a new bottle.

01:14:34.337 --> 01:14:35.359
I had to try it out.

01:14:36.465 --> 01:14:37.225
At the end of the show,

01:14:37.246 --> 01:14:39.186
he's just like, oh, shit.

01:14:41.707 --> 01:14:41.988
Yeah.

01:14:42.087 --> 01:14:43.668
DoorDash, bring me some more.

01:14:43.708 --> 01:14:46.690
We've got some really cool characters

01:14:46.711 --> 01:14:49.573
going here that are going to have really

01:14:49.693 --> 01:14:52.054
interesting interactions as we start doing

01:14:52.073 --> 01:14:52.835
these team-ups.

01:14:53.774 --> 01:14:56.296
So we haven't really decided, like,

01:14:56.417 --> 01:14:59.998
nailed in the first –

01:15:00.105 --> 01:15:03.226
apogee event because we have like three

01:15:03.407 --> 01:15:05.988
specific uh plot points that we're trying

01:15:06.007 --> 01:15:07.309
to work out one of them deals with

01:15:07.389 --> 01:15:12.390
immigration on an intergalactic scale oh

01:15:12.470 --> 01:15:16.391
nice um all because i like a good

01:15:16.452 --> 01:15:18.033
spin like that on it because when you

01:15:18.052 --> 01:15:19.713
first brought up immigration i was like ah

01:15:19.774 --> 01:15:22.055
dude but you know like galactic

01:15:22.095 --> 01:15:24.255
immigration i'm like fuck you now we're

01:15:24.295 --> 01:15:25.536
talking well i mean

01:15:26.793 --> 01:15:28.154
And here's where people are going to love

01:15:28.194 --> 01:15:28.676
me or hate me.

01:15:28.775 --> 01:15:30.157
I'm a Border Patrol agent.

01:15:30.197 --> 01:15:32.778
That's what I do for my daytime job.

01:15:32.797 --> 01:15:34.019
So I have a lot of experience with

01:15:34.158 --> 01:15:36.820
immigration and things that I've

01:15:36.860 --> 01:15:39.283
experienced out on the line on the border

01:15:39.802 --> 01:15:41.524
have kind of like played into some of

01:15:41.543 --> 01:15:41.963
my stories.

01:15:41.984 --> 01:15:42.284
I'm like,

01:15:42.545 --> 01:15:47.868
what if you had multiple planets that

01:15:48.828 --> 01:15:50.810
could no longer inhabit their own planet,

01:15:50.930 --> 01:15:51.810
had to come over here?

01:15:52.618 --> 01:15:55.199
know how would that eat up resources you

01:15:55.220 --> 01:15:59.082
know how would that eat up our heroes

01:16:00.042 --> 01:16:03.724
function you know like how would that work

01:16:03.764 --> 01:16:05.484
you know there's a strange little question

01:16:05.524 --> 01:16:06.904
in my mind and i just couldn't get

01:16:07.725 --> 01:16:10.046
i i couldn't answer it i i i

01:16:10.067 --> 01:16:11.306
need to bring people on board i brought

01:16:11.327 --> 01:16:13.287
matthew on board you know like how would

01:16:13.328 --> 01:16:16.510
this how would this result and

01:16:17.768 --> 01:16:20.149
Would that open us up to another threat,

01:16:20.168 --> 01:16:21.770
like a dark side or a Thanos?

01:16:22.631 --> 01:16:24.110
I like it.

01:16:24.572 --> 01:16:26.032
Or a Plaxis or no.

01:16:26.051 --> 01:16:28.012
Wait, did I say that wrong?

01:16:28.132 --> 01:16:31.354
Yeah, I said it wrong.

01:16:31.375 --> 01:16:31.635
You know,

01:16:31.654 --> 01:16:33.475
so like it opens you up to other

01:16:33.735 --> 01:16:35.957
threats while we're trying to be the best

01:16:36.118 --> 01:16:38.918
of humanity to, hey, come over here.

01:16:38.958 --> 01:16:40.500
We understand this.

01:16:41.000 --> 01:16:42.740
You know, you guys are welcome here.

01:16:43.201 --> 01:16:44.202
We don't know where we're going to put

01:16:44.242 --> 01:16:44.381
you,

01:16:44.402 --> 01:16:45.783
but we'll figure it out because I think.

01:16:45.823 --> 01:16:45.903
Yeah.

01:16:47.779 --> 01:16:49.820
I think humans at their core are good,

01:16:50.341 --> 01:16:50.881
you know,

01:16:50.942 --> 01:16:51.943
and they want to do the best for

01:16:51.983 --> 01:16:55.006
other people.

01:16:55.046 --> 01:16:57.868
So that story plot,

01:16:58.090 --> 01:16:59.992
that storyline that I envisioned,

01:17:01.353 --> 01:17:03.194
I think would be an interesting tale to

01:17:03.234 --> 01:17:03.574
tell.

01:17:03.935 --> 01:17:04.195
No,

01:17:04.275 --> 01:17:06.398
I like that idea just from hearing you

01:17:06.438 --> 01:17:07.099
talk about it.

01:17:07.960 --> 01:17:08.961
I know that's going to be something

01:17:09.020 --> 01:17:09.962
special when you do it.

01:17:11.376 --> 01:17:12.115
It's going to be amazing.

01:17:12.155 --> 01:17:13.756
I just hope I live long enough to

01:17:13.837 --> 01:17:14.837
actually make this happen.

01:17:15.636 --> 01:17:18.377
Because I think it's going to be a

01:17:18.398 --> 01:17:19.997
really groundbreaking story.

01:17:20.257 --> 01:17:22.259
I don't want to be too forward.

01:17:22.319 --> 01:17:24.720
Maybe Eisner winning.

01:17:25.180 --> 01:17:26.300
Ooh, now we're talking.

01:17:26.800 --> 01:17:28.461
Which Matthew would probably win that for

01:17:28.560 --> 01:17:29.360
actually penning it.

01:17:29.381 --> 01:17:33.981
Maybe I'll get a cover mention, you know.

01:17:34.497 --> 01:17:35.279
You'll get a nod.

01:17:35.659 --> 01:17:37.144
I see the septum is Eisner.

01:17:37.163 --> 01:17:39.029
Yeah, that's it.

01:17:39.048 --> 01:17:40.051
That's all it really be, man.

01:17:40.072 --> 01:17:42.117
Because like when I created Apogee...

01:17:43.466 --> 01:17:44.608
I don't need to be the face of

01:17:44.688 --> 01:17:44.807
it.

01:17:45.287 --> 01:17:46.828
I'll never be the face of it.

01:17:46.948 --> 01:17:48.509
Like I created a lot of the characters

01:17:48.628 --> 01:17:48.909
in it,

01:17:48.989 --> 01:17:51.011
but I don't need all the recognition.

01:17:51.171 --> 01:17:51.470
I just,

01:17:52.051 --> 01:17:53.631
I want the work to speak for itself.

01:17:53.712 --> 01:17:55.853
I want to be for the work that

01:17:55.912 --> 01:17:59.814
we do and promote the young artists and

01:17:59.854 --> 01:18:02.716
writers and colorists and letterers that

01:18:02.836 --> 01:18:05.317
work for us where we can be something

01:18:05.356 --> 01:18:05.957
in their resume.

01:18:06.238 --> 01:18:07.198
I think that'd be really cool.

01:18:07.278 --> 01:18:08.698
I think that's more of a feather captain.

01:18:10.019 --> 01:18:11.159
Anything else is like,

01:18:11.872 --> 01:18:13.233
hey, I work for Apogee, and they're like,

01:18:13.252 --> 01:18:14.795
oh, we've heard of them, they're great,

01:18:14.854 --> 01:18:15.135
you know,

01:18:15.154 --> 01:18:16.355
because they've worked with all these

01:18:16.416 --> 01:18:17.337
artists, you know,

01:18:17.756 --> 01:18:18.997
because we take a chance on a lot

01:18:19.037 --> 01:18:19.779
of people, too.

01:18:20.619 --> 01:18:21.060
Yeah,

01:18:21.140 --> 01:18:23.481
and sometimes that's all a person needs is

01:18:23.502 --> 01:18:25.304
that somebody to take that one chance on

01:18:25.323 --> 01:18:25.463
them,

01:18:25.484 --> 01:18:25.864
and then

01:18:26.510 --> 01:18:27.810
That's your all-star right there,

01:18:27.930 --> 01:18:28.230
you know?

01:18:28.411 --> 01:18:28.631
Right.

01:18:29.011 --> 01:18:29.591
Absolutely.

01:18:30.251 --> 01:18:32.671
And I've had contacts in this business who

01:18:32.712 --> 01:18:35.412
worked for this company in its early days

01:18:35.533 --> 01:18:36.974
and their early days while they're

01:18:36.993 --> 01:18:37.993
building their portfolio.

01:18:38.394 --> 01:18:40.895
So anytime I contact them, I'm like, hey,

01:18:40.935 --> 01:18:41.614
man, I need this.

01:18:41.675 --> 01:18:42.055
I need that.

01:18:42.074 --> 01:18:43.916
They're like, oh, absolutely, dude.

01:18:43.975 --> 01:18:45.636
I'll put this aside even though I'm doing

01:18:45.657 --> 01:18:47.617
this big project for DC or Marvel.

01:18:47.657 --> 01:18:48.057
I'm like, no,

01:18:48.078 --> 01:18:48.957
you don't have to do that.

01:18:50.873 --> 01:18:52.333
Like, you gave me my start, man.

01:18:52.354 --> 01:18:53.154
That's totally cool.

01:18:53.175 --> 01:18:54.515
I'm like, okay, what are you charging me?

01:18:54.574 --> 01:18:55.996
I'm like, not what I charge these guys.

01:19:00.478 --> 01:19:01.097
I'm like, even better.

01:19:01.118 --> 01:19:01.658
I like it, dude.

01:19:01.677 --> 01:19:04.619
So I know y'all got a lot of

01:19:04.680 --> 01:19:05.739
big projects coming up.

01:19:05.779 --> 01:19:06.980
And I know, like,

01:19:07.041 --> 01:19:08.681
I know I had prepared myself because in

01:19:08.721 --> 01:19:10.362
my head, like, I do a lot of,

01:19:11.342 --> 01:19:12.523
I work with a lot of guys running

01:19:12.563 --> 01:19:13.963
Kickstarters and stuff like that.

01:19:14.003 --> 01:19:15.585
Y'all are not doing the Kickstarter route.

01:19:16.649 --> 01:19:18.890
for now are you still going to kind

01:19:18.951 --> 01:19:21.551
of have like the same like benefits of

01:19:21.653 --> 01:19:24.854
a kickstarter with like stretch goals um

01:19:25.394 --> 01:19:27.496
different covers and stuff like that or

01:19:27.555 --> 01:19:29.176
how how are y'all rocking that since

01:19:29.195 --> 01:19:30.716
you're not going to kickstarter route for

01:19:30.737 --> 01:19:32.957
your next projects okay so you're talking

01:19:32.978 --> 01:19:35.439
like the tier system that's yeah yeah

01:19:35.800 --> 01:19:38.041
known for kickstarter indiegogo things

01:19:38.060 --> 01:19:40.101
like that fun my comic um

01:19:41.475 --> 01:19:45.958
that we offer as tiers.

01:19:46.819 --> 01:19:49.962
We're working on it because as a business,

01:19:50.002 --> 01:19:51.962
we have to keep those things in-house and

01:19:52.082 --> 01:19:53.844
have inventory of it.

01:19:53.884 --> 01:19:56.586
So like Phantom Hawk,

01:19:56.626 --> 01:20:00.007
we offered patches for the Phantom Warrior

01:20:00.068 --> 01:20:01.828
project that Phantom Hawk is a part of.

01:20:02.369 --> 01:20:03.050
Quickwire,

01:20:03.350 --> 01:20:08.533
I've hired out three-D printing sculptors

01:20:08.573 --> 01:20:09.994
to make his logo.

01:20:10.908 --> 01:20:11.729
Oh, that'd be really dope.

01:20:11.769 --> 01:20:12.069
Yeah.

01:20:12.389 --> 01:20:13.909
And then also statues.

01:20:14.091 --> 01:20:16.653
And then I have pretty much a print

01:20:16.693 --> 01:20:18.373
farm going on in my house right now

01:20:18.413 --> 01:20:19.935
because I want something that I've ever

01:20:19.975 --> 01:20:21.697
wanted since I was eight.

01:20:21.777 --> 01:20:23.137
And I have files for those and I

01:20:23.177 --> 01:20:25.779
print them out and off to the mess

01:20:25.840 --> 01:20:27.461
because I have a Wolverine mask,

01:20:27.561 --> 01:20:29.363
I have Deadpool, I got a Wolverine cloth.

01:20:29.722 --> 01:20:31.364
I got all the dumb shit I wanted

01:20:31.404 --> 01:20:33.685
when I was a kid just eating up

01:20:33.725 --> 01:20:34.987
my office space right now.

01:20:35.028 --> 01:20:36.929
But I figured... Guilty.

01:20:37.689 --> 01:20:38.130
Yeah.

01:20:38.149 --> 01:20:39.751
A three-D printer is pretty much a license

01:20:39.791 --> 01:20:40.391
to print money.

01:20:41.730 --> 01:20:42.811
So if I can do,

01:20:43.592 --> 01:20:44.514
and that's what I've commissioned.

01:20:44.554 --> 01:20:46.414
I've commissioned a couple of people to do

01:20:46.534 --> 01:20:50.177
quick wire running at speed that I can

01:20:50.217 --> 01:20:52.000
fill with different filaments to print it

01:20:52.020 --> 01:20:54.100
and then ship those out.

01:20:54.140 --> 01:20:55.703
Same with Bengali and Phantom Hawk.

01:20:56.682 --> 01:20:59.045
Those are kind of our top three right

01:20:59.085 --> 01:21:00.126
now.

01:21:00.145 --> 01:21:01.686
So that's kind of where we're going with

01:21:01.707 --> 01:21:02.967
that.

01:21:02.988 --> 01:21:03.628
So are y'all still,

01:21:03.809 --> 01:21:05.310
do y'all have like t-shirts and stuff like

01:21:05.329 --> 01:21:07.112
that that people can get on y'all's

01:21:07.152 --> 01:21:07.631
website?

01:21:08.252 --> 01:21:10.755
We have a Teespring account that has...

01:21:11.389 --> 01:21:13.025
multiple products as far as like...

01:21:14.936 --> 01:21:18.297
sweatshirts, t-shirts, men and women.

01:21:19.037 --> 01:21:20.319
We had leggings for a while,

01:21:20.359 --> 01:21:22.378
but they discontinued the leggings.

01:21:22.880 --> 01:21:24.060
I bought them all.

01:21:25.359 --> 01:21:25.779
I knew it.

01:21:25.800 --> 01:21:28.701
That's why you're only filming from here

01:21:28.761 --> 01:21:28.841
up.

01:21:28.900 --> 01:21:30.162
You don't want no one to see your

01:21:30.181 --> 01:21:30.782
leggings.

01:21:34.582 --> 01:21:36.264
They bring your ass up perfectly.

01:21:36.283 --> 01:21:38.184
That's a lot of A's.

01:21:38.323 --> 01:21:38.963
That's all I'm saying.

01:21:38.984 --> 01:21:39.645
It's a lot of A's.

01:21:39.704 --> 01:21:39.984
I get it.

01:21:40.024 --> 01:21:40.645
It's a whole deal.

01:21:47.006 --> 01:21:49.006
So we're trying to find a way to

01:21:49.025 --> 01:21:51.367
streamline all those products that we

01:21:51.386 --> 01:21:53.707
offer in tiers onto the website.

01:21:55.047 --> 01:21:57.208
Because the goal should be to get away

01:21:57.248 --> 01:21:58.189
from crowdfunding.

01:21:58.748 --> 01:22:00.529
Yeah, okay.

01:22:00.670 --> 01:22:02.331
I know before we went online,

01:22:02.990 --> 01:22:04.131
we were talking about that.

01:22:04.230 --> 01:22:06.551
I know Brian Polito over at Coffin Comets

01:22:06.652 --> 01:22:07.372
just did that.

01:22:07.431 --> 01:22:11.854
He started his own internal Kickstarter,

01:22:11.894 --> 01:22:12.474
basically.

01:22:13.385 --> 01:22:17.006
So I like that idea a lot.

01:22:17.828 --> 01:22:19.408
I understand that's not for everybody,

01:22:20.088 --> 01:22:21.630
but you have the model and the plan

01:22:21.729 --> 01:22:22.871
in place to make it happen.

01:22:22.890 --> 01:22:24.771
But I see in any comics,

01:22:25.452 --> 01:22:27.092
they pride themselves on how much they

01:22:27.132 --> 01:22:30.534
brought in on crowdfunding.

01:22:30.655 --> 01:22:32.936
And I want to get away from that.

01:22:33.277 --> 01:22:36.658
I don't view that as a viable metric

01:22:36.679 --> 01:22:39.020
of how successful your comic is or how...

01:22:40.390 --> 01:22:42.451
how much your stories are revealed or how

01:22:42.490 --> 01:22:43.811
much your characters are liked.

01:22:43.952 --> 01:22:45.854
I think it's more indicative to be like,

01:22:45.934 --> 01:22:46.134
hey,

01:22:46.314 --> 01:22:48.734
I offered it on my website and it

01:22:48.854 --> 01:22:49.815
funded the book.

01:22:49.836 --> 01:22:49.916
Yeah.

01:22:50.756 --> 01:22:51.997
You know,

01:22:52.016 --> 01:22:54.618
I think that's more of a more reliable

01:22:54.838 --> 01:22:58.121
and realistic metric for how successful

01:22:58.180 --> 01:23:00.842
your stories are.

01:23:00.922 --> 01:23:02.224
And it says a lot about how good

01:23:02.264 --> 01:23:05.185
you can market your products to people.

01:23:06.595 --> 01:23:07.636
Because I'm saying, you know,

01:23:07.777 --> 01:23:09.118
eighty percent of that's the way you

01:23:09.177 --> 01:23:10.779
market it and the way you advertise your

01:23:10.819 --> 01:23:12.240
products.

01:23:13.862 --> 01:23:14.882
No, you're absolutely right.

01:23:14.903 --> 01:23:18.024
So if you can offer your website and

01:23:18.045 --> 01:23:19.586
people are still going to come to you

01:23:19.827 --> 01:23:22.448
and give it views and order stuff,

01:23:22.469 --> 01:23:24.631
I think that's a more viable metric than,

01:23:25.190 --> 01:23:25.490
hey,

01:23:26.492 --> 01:23:27.672
because you see it all the time on

01:23:27.693 --> 01:23:28.233
Kickstarter.

01:23:28.373 --> 01:23:28.913
It's like, OK,

01:23:28.934 --> 01:23:30.795
we funded our book and we had a

01:23:30.814 --> 01:23:31.895
ten thousand dollar goal,

01:23:31.916 --> 01:23:33.818
but we had one hundred sixteen backers.

01:23:34.457 --> 01:23:34.878
So we're them.

01:23:35.019 --> 01:23:35.139
Yeah.

01:23:36.679 --> 01:23:36.979
Oh,

01:23:37.019 --> 01:23:38.399
somebody's mom and dad probably chumped it

01:23:38.420 --> 01:23:38.539
in.

01:23:38.579 --> 01:23:39.581
Friends and family.

01:23:39.600 --> 01:23:43.222
Or they had tits on the cover.

01:23:43.764 --> 01:23:44.724
Yeah, and the flip side for me is...

01:23:44.743 --> 01:23:46.104
Those tits on the cover always does it.

01:23:46.125 --> 01:23:48.707
I mean, yeah.

01:23:50.207 --> 01:23:51.868
It sells, you know?

01:23:51.929 --> 01:23:53.569
But going off what Nick says,

01:23:55.430 --> 01:23:56.332
we want a fan base.

01:23:57.221 --> 01:23:58.222
If you have a fan base,

01:23:58.583 --> 01:23:59.765
it should fund itself.

01:24:00.225 --> 01:24:02.207
We're not afraid to do a Kickstarter.

01:24:03.128 --> 01:24:04.871
We did a crowdfunding a couple months ago.

01:24:05.752 --> 01:24:07.895
We have tentative plans to do something in

01:24:07.954 --> 01:24:08.395
January,

01:24:08.695 --> 01:24:10.578
but we don't want it to be every

01:24:10.717 --> 01:24:12.220
issue is...

01:24:13.121 --> 01:24:15.922
we're depending on the kickstarter to make

01:24:16.002 --> 01:24:20.225
every comic it it should not it it's

01:24:20.244 --> 01:24:22.805
a good beginning business model but after

01:24:22.845 --> 01:24:24.306
your fifth or sixth issue if you're

01:24:24.327 --> 01:24:26.988
kickstarting everything nobody cares about

01:24:27.028 --> 01:24:28.548
your book like i'm not trying to be

01:24:28.588 --> 01:24:30.369
mean about it nobody cares about your book

01:24:30.689 --> 01:24:33.091
they care about you and they want you

01:24:33.110 --> 01:24:34.011
to be successful

01:24:37.554 --> 01:24:38.975
But they want you to be successful because

01:24:38.994 --> 01:24:40.454
they're helping, they're funding you.

01:24:40.855 --> 01:24:42.617
They're not re you know, look,

01:24:42.837 --> 01:24:44.637
are they like, not to be weird,

01:24:44.917 --> 01:24:46.719
the number of things I've kickstarted and

01:24:46.759 --> 01:24:48.060
I don't think I've ever read the books.

01:24:48.520 --> 01:24:51.282
It's pretty high because I'm funding that

01:24:51.322 --> 01:24:51.721
person.

01:24:51.782 --> 01:24:53.783
He's my buddy or he helped me with

01:24:53.823 --> 01:24:54.063
this.

01:24:54.082 --> 01:24:54.743
So we're doing,

01:24:54.762 --> 01:24:55.703
we're going back and forth.

01:24:56.003 --> 01:24:56.805
So that's where.

01:24:58.064 --> 01:24:59.865
if we can get away from every single

01:24:59.886 --> 01:25:00.065
book,

01:25:00.086 --> 01:25:02.387
we may do like a quarterly crowdfunding or

01:25:02.408 --> 01:25:04.208
a, a buy in like every, you know,

01:25:04.349 --> 01:25:06.751
every six months, let's do a Kickstarter,

01:25:06.791 --> 01:25:07.971
but it's not going to be a Kickstarter

01:25:07.992 --> 01:25:08.533
for quick wire.

01:25:08.552 --> 01:25:10.234
Number two, Phantom mock number two,

01:25:10.493 --> 01:25:12.815
Bengali number five, the everything,

01:25:13.277 --> 01:25:14.197
you know, because the other thing too,

01:25:14.237 --> 01:25:16.298
is like, everybody's doing it.

01:25:16.319 --> 01:25:17.899
And I think people are tired of it.

01:25:17.920 --> 01:25:18.421
You know, it's to,

01:25:18.440 --> 01:25:19.221
to piggyback on Matthew's point.

01:25:19.242 --> 01:25:20.402
Like if we're going to do a Kickstarter,

01:25:20.421 --> 01:25:24.786
it's because we're going to offer

01:25:24.805 --> 01:25:26.728
something that's cost a little bit more.

01:25:28.712 --> 01:25:30.372
That's going to add value to the book

01:25:31.613 --> 01:25:35.636
and have a different reach to the

01:25:35.676 --> 01:25:36.478
clientele.

01:25:36.618 --> 01:25:38.698
So from Quickwire,

01:25:40.000 --> 01:25:42.181
I've been looking at lenticular covers

01:25:42.261 --> 01:25:44.302
based on Harsh's suggestion of, hey,

01:25:44.342 --> 01:25:45.804
we should do a lenticular cover.

01:25:45.823 --> 01:25:46.845
So first of all, I was like,

01:25:46.864 --> 01:25:47.865
what the F is that?

01:25:48.405 --> 01:25:50.587
I'm like, all right, cool.

01:25:52.059 --> 01:25:53.619
It's a fancy way of saying foil.

01:25:54.199 --> 01:25:54.720
Yeah.

01:25:54.819 --> 01:25:55.860
Well, it's not.

01:25:56.060 --> 01:25:58.242
It's the three D. Oh, okay.

01:25:58.261 --> 01:26:01.162
You're talking about the three D. Okay.

01:26:01.243 --> 01:26:01.483
Okay.

01:26:01.502 --> 01:26:01.783
Yeah.

01:26:01.863 --> 01:26:04.085
And harsh has done like twenty something

01:26:04.125 --> 01:26:06.645
drawings of quick wires mask,

01:26:07.525 --> 01:26:09.926
making different emojis and expressions.

01:26:11.127 --> 01:26:12.507
And I was like, oh, that's awesome.

01:26:12.528 --> 01:26:14.668
Like even through some like conchies in

01:26:14.708 --> 01:26:17.551
there, some Japanese conchies, you know,

01:26:17.650 --> 01:26:18.650
and I was like, oh, man, see,

01:26:18.671 --> 01:26:19.331
that would be awesome.

01:26:19.350 --> 01:26:20.171
So I'm like,

01:26:22.585 --> 01:26:26.046
I know,

01:26:26.065 --> 01:26:33.287
because I've bought books like that.

01:26:33.306 --> 01:26:33.567
Also, polybags.

01:26:33.587 --> 01:26:35.707
Polybags with gift stuff in there,

01:26:35.726 --> 01:26:36.106
like a trading card.

01:26:36.127 --> 01:26:37.488
It just so happened I had a polybag

01:26:37.528 --> 01:26:38.387
sitting next to me.

01:26:38.408 --> 01:26:40.948
Just chilling on Hot Standby.

01:26:40.967 --> 01:26:41.007
No,

01:26:41.028 --> 01:26:43.529
this is actually the Eighteen Plus cover

01:26:43.569 --> 01:26:45.889
for Gahanna, Naked Aggression from Image.

01:26:46.469 --> 01:26:47.529
Really fun book,

01:26:47.908 --> 01:26:50.729
but each cover has an adult version of

01:26:50.770 --> 01:26:51.210
the cover.

01:26:51.896 --> 01:26:54.699
So I did polybags for Bengali issue one

01:26:54.739 --> 01:26:56.801
because I submitted to distribution,

01:26:56.822 --> 01:26:59.085
but then I realized that the barcode that

01:26:59.104 --> 01:27:00.365
I put on there was BS.

01:27:00.426 --> 01:27:01.386
It didn't mean nothing.

01:27:02.188 --> 01:27:03.088
So I was like, oh, shit.

01:27:03.189 --> 01:27:06.993
Well, the market kind of needs a barcode,

01:27:07.234 --> 01:27:08.494
like a legit one.

01:27:08.555 --> 01:27:10.277
So I went and I bought some barcodes,

01:27:10.317 --> 01:27:11.500
and then I –

01:27:12.443 --> 01:27:13.884
you know, followed the, uh,

01:27:14.064 --> 01:27:16.087
the mandate of how barcode supposed to be.

01:27:16.146 --> 01:27:17.747
And then I printed it on the poly

01:27:17.768 --> 01:27:18.929
bag and it's all it is,

01:27:18.948 --> 01:27:20.310
is a mask of Bengali.

01:27:20.430 --> 01:27:21.292
It's his mask.

01:27:21.652 --> 01:27:22.472
Yeah.

01:27:22.533 --> 01:27:23.434
You know,

01:27:23.453 --> 01:27:24.675
cause I didn't just want to put the

01:27:24.715 --> 01:27:26.136
cover on there and be like, all right,

01:27:26.155 --> 01:27:26.336
cool.

01:27:26.356 --> 01:27:27.917
Here you go buy this and this really

01:27:27.957 --> 01:27:28.779
awesome poly bag.

01:27:28.798 --> 01:27:30.060
That's going to run you like the twelve

01:27:30.079 --> 01:27:30.380
bucks,

01:27:31.060 --> 01:27:33.944
but actually it's not even that much.

01:27:34.064 --> 01:27:35.364
It was like forty five cents on the

01:27:35.404 --> 01:27:35.765
dollar.

01:27:36.206 --> 01:27:36.787
But, uh,

01:27:39.127 --> 01:27:40.207
So I got all these poly bags,

01:27:40.247 --> 01:27:40.467
you know,

01:27:40.488 --> 01:27:42.109
and I want to do this lenticular cover

01:27:42.149 --> 01:27:43.310
and I also want to do the poly

01:27:43.329 --> 01:27:44.992
bag, you know.

01:27:45.072 --> 01:27:46.613
So they get like, oh,

01:27:46.632 --> 01:27:48.114
I got this really awesome poly bag with

01:27:48.135 --> 01:27:49.074
this original artwork.

01:27:49.756 --> 01:27:51.016
And then you open it up like, oh,

01:27:51.077 --> 01:27:51.476
cool.

01:27:51.516 --> 01:27:52.958
Now I get this lenticular cover,

01:27:52.998 --> 01:27:54.380
which is going to run about eleven bucks

01:27:54.460 --> 01:27:58.162
a copy to throw on a three dollar

01:27:58.302 --> 01:27:59.743
floppy, you know.

01:27:59.784 --> 01:28:01.845
So but I don't want to charge people

01:28:01.985 --> 01:28:03.627
extra for that if I don't have to.

01:28:04.655 --> 01:28:07.056
So if I can run the Kickstarter and

01:28:07.096 --> 01:28:08.398
then I set it at like a fifteen

01:28:08.417 --> 01:28:11.119
dollar price point and you get a poly

01:28:11.140 --> 01:28:12.581
bag and you're going to get a trading

01:28:12.621 --> 01:28:13.962
card and you're going to get some cool

01:28:13.981 --> 01:28:16.443
shit along with the particular cover and

01:28:16.483 --> 01:28:17.844
you get a really awesome poly bag.

01:28:18.144 --> 01:28:18.784
And if you want,

01:28:19.164 --> 01:28:20.765
I'll sign the damn thing for you.

01:28:20.805 --> 01:28:21.886
It costs me nothing.

01:28:21.926 --> 01:28:23.327
The banks have been getting my signature

01:28:23.346 --> 01:28:24.087
for years.

01:28:25.729 --> 01:28:26.309
You know,

01:28:26.349 --> 01:28:28.170
I take this metallic pen and I just

01:28:29.070 --> 01:28:30.131
Nick Garver right there.

01:28:30.190 --> 01:28:30.931
Like, oh, my God,

01:28:30.971 --> 01:28:32.393
the creator of this character.

01:28:33.194 --> 01:28:34.015
No, it didn't.

01:28:34.034 --> 01:28:35.655
And if we were all closer and I

01:28:35.796 --> 01:28:36.336
had the money,

01:28:36.376 --> 01:28:37.577
I would just send it to everybody so

01:28:37.596 --> 01:28:39.198
they could sign it.

01:28:39.457 --> 01:28:41.078
But, but, segue from hell,

01:28:41.439 --> 01:28:44.301
we will be closer on November fourteenth

01:28:44.320 --> 01:28:45.041
and fifteenth.

01:28:48.222 --> 01:28:48.302
Oh,

01:28:48.323 --> 01:28:49.344
you can't just say you're going to be

01:28:49.384 --> 01:28:51.284
closer and not tell us why you're going

01:28:51.345 --> 01:28:52.006
to be closer.

01:28:55.266 --> 01:28:57.627
The Comic Arts Convention is going to be

01:28:57.667 --> 01:28:58.028
there.

01:28:59.328 --> 01:29:00.948
All three of us will be there along

01:29:00.988 --> 01:29:02.810
with Rene who writes some of the other

01:29:02.869 --> 01:29:03.329
titles.

01:29:03.390 --> 01:29:04.869
He writes Bengali.

01:29:04.909 --> 01:29:05.671
He'll be there.

01:29:06.610 --> 01:29:07.850
We'll be signing autographs.

01:29:07.871 --> 01:29:09.431
There may be some other special guests.

01:29:09.452 --> 01:29:11.052
We have to wait until closer to the

01:29:11.092 --> 01:29:12.432
time to announce that one.

01:29:13.092 --> 01:29:15.573
It's going to be a lot of fun.

01:29:15.594 --> 01:29:15.753
Do what?

01:29:16.134 --> 01:29:17.734
I thought you were the special guest,

01:29:17.774 --> 01:29:18.154
Matt.

01:29:19.876 --> 01:29:20.216
I mean...

01:29:20.235 --> 01:29:23.476
We're not talking about that special.

01:29:24.985 --> 01:29:26.806
I mean, Harsh is flying in for it.

01:29:26.867 --> 01:29:27.207
So, I mean,

01:29:27.226 --> 01:29:28.707
he's got to be the guest of the

01:29:28.747 --> 01:29:29.427
hour, you know.

01:29:29.467 --> 01:29:33.069
Then it's like a gif of like, hey,

01:29:33.130 --> 01:29:34.430
when I arrive in America,

01:29:34.550 --> 01:29:37.231
it's like this dude like proposing to a

01:29:37.292 --> 01:29:37.452
girl.

01:29:37.471 --> 01:29:38.051
And I'm like,

01:29:38.912 --> 01:29:40.132
which one of us is the girl?

01:29:48.203 --> 01:29:49.904
but yeah it'll be it's going to be

01:29:49.944 --> 01:29:52.266
in san antonio november fifteenth is the

01:29:52.306 --> 01:29:55.128
convention it's called the comic arts

01:29:55.869 --> 01:30:00.072
convention yeah and uh it's just that

01:30:00.132 --> 01:30:03.835
saturday but we'll all be there my friends

01:30:03.854 --> 01:30:05.136
are going to be at that so i

01:30:05.155 --> 01:30:07.077
can have them go over to y'all

01:30:08.177 --> 01:30:09.998
Buy some stuff from y'all and then send

01:30:10.038 --> 01:30:11.158
it to me.

01:30:11.198 --> 01:30:12.199
And we'll sign it for you.

01:30:13.140 --> 01:30:15.121
And a group picture like I'll be doing.

01:30:15.600 --> 01:30:16.481
Well, harsh.

01:30:16.761 --> 01:30:17.282
I'm sure.

01:30:17.421 --> 01:30:17.742
Well,

01:30:18.641 --> 01:30:20.802
you show up with a pad and paper

01:30:20.863 --> 01:30:23.203
and pencil and we'll do some commissions.

01:30:23.224 --> 01:30:26.546
We'll make some money that way.

01:30:27.706 --> 01:30:28.966
Chairman, wish you were here.

01:30:30.407 --> 01:30:31.587
Y'all take a picture with it.

01:30:34.177 --> 01:30:36.658
Chairman, I wish you were here.

01:30:36.679 --> 01:30:38.039
While everyone's wearing an Apogee t-shirt

01:30:38.060 --> 01:30:38.380
or something.

01:30:38.399 --> 01:30:39.461
You guys make your money and I'll just

01:30:39.480 --> 01:30:40.081
sit there like,

01:30:40.180 --> 01:30:42.202
I could write you a story for twenty

01:30:42.221 --> 01:30:42.442
bucks.

01:30:42.462 --> 01:30:47.284
It's not going to be good for twenty

01:30:47.324 --> 01:30:48.966
bucks, but I'll write you a story.

01:30:49.225 --> 01:30:50.226
It'll be two pages.

01:30:50.247 --> 01:30:52.068
I'll just insert your name in the same

01:30:52.108 --> 01:30:52.828
script over and over again.

01:30:52.847 --> 01:30:55.168
I'm about to get a retention bonus at

01:30:55.229 --> 01:30:56.810
work and like half of it's going to

01:30:56.850 --> 01:30:57.871
go to Hasso for all the work he's

01:30:57.911 --> 01:30:58.171
done for me.

01:31:00.925 --> 01:31:01.466
Nice.

01:31:01.485 --> 01:31:04.087
Hey, no, that is a perfect segue.

01:31:04.247 --> 01:31:06.208
We're rolling up on about actually we just

01:31:06.229 --> 01:31:07.289
hit an hour and a half.

01:31:07.689 --> 01:31:09.752
So let's wrap everything up in a nice

01:31:09.811 --> 01:31:10.752
little bow for everybody.

01:31:10.813 --> 01:31:12.774
I'll let Nick start and you can tell

01:31:12.833 --> 01:31:14.855
everybody where they can find you.

01:31:14.996 --> 01:31:16.777
And then we'll go to Matt and Harsh

01:31:17.256 --> 01:31:18.738
and we'll start putting a nice big bow

01:31:18.778 --> 01:31:19.759
on this for everybody.

01:31:19.878 --> 01:31:20.600
All right.

01:31:20.659 --> 01:31:22.661
So my social media marketing is pretty

01:31:22.801 --> 01:31:23.282
simple.

01:31:23.381 --> 01:31:24.783
I want to make sure that you can

01:31:24.823 --> 01:31:27.125
find me on all platforms with the same

01:31:27.324 --> 01:31:27.444
app.

01:31:28.319 --> 01:31:29.980
so for myself personally if you're

01:31:30.020 --> 01:31:31.823
interested in my own work or just my

01:31:31.842 --> 01:31:36.367
crazy views on the freaking world um and

01:31:36.426 --> 01:31:39.389
nick at nick garber art on facebook

01:31:40.829 --> 01:31:44.613
instagram and x i still feel weird calling

01:31:44.672 --> 01:31:46.175
it that but if you want to follow

01:31:46.215 --> 01:31:50.337
the company that's at comics on instagram

01:31:50.478 --> 01:31:54.060
and x and apogee by the way i

01:31:54.121 --> 01:31:54.761
learned that today

01:31:55.492 --> 01:31:56.372
Not Apogie, not,

01:31:57.453 --> 01:31:59.595
what was the other one that you were

01:31:59.956 --> 01:32:00.157
saying?

01:32:00.197 --> 01:32:00.457
Apogie.

01:32:00.476 --> 01:32:00.716
Apogie.

01:32:01.698 --> 01:32:02.198
Apogee.

01:32:02.759 --> 01:32:05.021
Got a little French flair to it.

01:32:05.502 --> 01:32:10.487
So Apogee, A-P-O-G-E-E, comics.

01:32:10.627 --> 01:32:13.090
Now I got him doing it.

01:32:13.430 --> 01:32:15.851
Which means the height of a satellite at

01:32:15.912 --> 01:32:16.552
its peak.

01:32:17.573 --> 01:32:19.315
So that's kind of why we chose it.

01:32:20.121 --> 01:32:21.122
So you can find us there in those

01:32:21.162 --> 01:32:22.542
social media platforms.

01:32:22.823 --> 01:32:26.744
You can email me at nickgarberart at

01:32:27.105 --> 01:32:31.948
gmail.com or at indies at gmail.com.

01:32:34.369 --> 01:32:35.970
Allow a twenty-four to seventy-two hours

01:32:36.011 --> 01:32:39.712
to respond to you because I'm just going

01:32:39.733 --> 01:32:40.514
to be honest with you.

01:32:40.554 --> 01:32:42.654
You can also go onto our website at

01:32:43.555 --> 01:32:45.077
apogeecomics.com.

01:32:45.117 --> 01:32:48.458
There's a subscribe and contact us button

01:32:48.578 --> 01:32:48.719
there.

01:32:49.479 --> 01:32:51.221
We can reach out to us and I'm

01:32:51.442 --> 01:32:52.703
usually pretty good at responding to

01:32:52.722 --> 01:32:53.143
those.

01:32:53.684 --> 01:32:54.965
So that's how you find us.

01:32:56.570 --> 01:32:57.612
Matt over to you, man.

01:32:57.631 --> 01:32:59.351
You can follow me across all social media

01:32:59.412 --> 01:33:00.432
at TheHassoMan.

01:33:01.193 --> 01:33:03.073
Wait, no, that's how I end our podcast.

01:33:03.113 --> 01:33:03.253
Anyway.

01:33:03.274 --> 01:33:06.475
I was getting really like,

01:33:06.536 --> 01:33:07.435
I was starting to run up.

01:33:07.496 --> 01:33:08.556
I was like, wait, that's not this thing.

01:33:08.577 --> 01:33:09.216
That's not this thing.

01:33:09.556 --> 01:33:11.417
But yes, across all social media.

01:33:11.478 --> 01:33:15.539
I'm on Instagram, Threads, Twitter, X,

01:33:15.699 --> 01:33:17.560
all that stuff at TheHassoMan.

01:33:18.981 --> 01:33:20.082
Don't bug me on Facebook.

01:33:20.122 --> 01:33:21.542
It's just a bunch of me cosplaying and

01:33:21.563 --> 01:33:22.262
playing with my kids.

01:33:22.283 --> 01:33:23.064
So it's boring.

01:33:23.564 --> 01:33:25.286
But message me on any of that stuff.

01:33:26.867 --> 01:33:28.988
And, yeah, we'll be there November.

01:33:29.029 --> 01:33:29.909
November.

01:33:30.310 --> 01:33:31.631
I'm really stoked for that.

01:33:31.911 --> 01:33:35.574
That is when both Quick Wire and Phantom

01:33:35.595 --> 01:33:37.716
Hawk issues will be completely printed.

01:33:37.737 --> 01:33:39.177
This is the first time we're going to

01:33:39.198 --> 01:33:40.378
be offering it to the public.

01:33:41.140 --> 01:33:42.119
So come check it out.

01:33:42.280 --> 01:33:44.242
Get signatures from Harsh... I don't know.

01:33:44.322 --> 01:33:45.542
I keep pointing the wrong way because it's

01:33:45.563 --> 01:33:47.505
a mirror from Harsh Stroke right there.

01:33:48.225 --> 01:33:49.127
For me, Nick...

01:33:52.270 --> 01:33:54.029
yeah and he would be wearing his his

01:33:54.090 --> 01:33:58.652
special apogee tights i i already have my

01:33:58.792 --> 01:34:00.533
i have a special hoodie it's got i'm

01:34:00.592 --> 01:34:02.694
ready so we're gonna do it harsh tell

01:34:02.734 --> 01:34:04.675
everybody where they can find you

01:34:04.895 --> 01:34:08.457
instagram facebook tick tock i don't think

01:34:09.476 --> 01:34:12.719
both of them they have tick tock i

01:34:12.759 --> 01:34:13.359
have tick tock

01:34:15.398 --> 01:34:15.957
I don't either.

01:34:16.257 --> 01:34:18.958
Tell us about TikTok at Nick Garber Art

01:34:19.378 --> 01:34:21.680
on TikTok and at Apogee Comics.

01:34:22.020 --> 01:34:22.680
There we go.

01:34:22.701 --> 01:34:23.140
Yeah.

01:34:23.381 --> 01:34:25.162
All right.

01:34:25.341 --> 01:34:26.322
Heartstroke everywhere.

01:34:26.442 --> 01:34:28.283
You can find Heartstroke everywhere.

01:34:28.302 --> 01:34:28.443
Yeah.

01:34:28.942 --> 01:34:29.762
You really can.

01:34:30.023 --> 01:34:31.122
I literally did that.

01:34:31.143 --> 01:34:33.064
I Googled it and then just went and

01:34:33.104 --> 01:34:34.244
followed on each one.

01:34:35.985 --> 01:34:37.367
Here's a funny story to wrap it up.

01:34:37.646 --> 01:34:40.029
I had no idea that was his handle

01:34:40.748 --> 01:34:42.710
because in Facebook,

01:34:42.831 --> 01:34:45.492
it's his name that we've connected with.

01:34:45.931 --> 01:34:48.333
So one day I was scrolling through stuff

01:34:48.814 --> 01:34:51.935
and saw Quickwire art or something on

01:34:51.956 --> 01:34:52.376
there and I was like,

01:34:52.435 --> 01:34:55.958
who is this guy stealing my boy's work?

01:34:56.038 --> 01:34:57.158
And then I let go and I'm like,

01:34:57.338 --> 01:34:57.859
oh, it's him.

01:34:58.640 --> 01:35:03.462
Oh, okay.

01:35:03.481 --> 01:35:04.242
Actually, that's our board.

01:35:04.261 --> 01:35:04.622
Yeah, I was like,

01:35:04.641 --> 01:35:07.182
I'm about to go find this guy.

01:35:07.203 --> 01:35:09.024
That's why I got banned from Facebook,

01:35:09.224 --> 01:35:10.104
I think.

01:35:11.524 --> 01:35:12.784
Yeah.

01:35:12.904 --> 01:35:13.984
I'm going to get banned from Facebook

01:35:14.005 --> 01:35:14.966
because they keep doing like, hey,

01:35:15.065 --> 01:35:17.065
this is awesome artwork from Heartstroke.

01:35:17.246 --> 01:35:20.367
And they're like, who the fuck is that?

01:35:20.407 --> 01:35:20.747
And I'm like,

01:35:20.766 --> 01:35:21.507
he told me not to divulge.

01:35:21.528 --> 01:35:23.087
Yeah, you'll know soon enough.

01:35:23.127 --> 01:35:24.769
QuickWire number one comes out November

01:35:25.787 --> 01:35:27.648
So it's on the cover, Harstroke.

01:35:27.828 --> 01:35:28.849
That's the name he wanted.

01:35:28.948 --> 01:35:30.269
That's what he gets.

01:35:30.389 --> 01:35:31.368
And so you can look him up through

01:35:31.389 --> 01:35:31.569
there.

01:35:31.609 --> 01:35:33.609
Yeah.

01:35:33.689 --> 01:35:34.149
All right.

01:35:34.350 --> 01:35:37.670
That is going to be it for tonight.

01:35:37.689 --> 01:35:39.291
If y'all guys want to hang out after

01:35:39.451 --> 01:35:40.570
the show goes off air,

01:35:40.591 --> 01:35:42.671
we can have a quick discussion and then

01:35:42.692 --> 01:35:43.532
we'll call it a good.

01:35:44.332 --> 01:35:44.971
As for me,

01:35:45.431 --> 01:35:48.052
I will be back on the twenty seventh

01:35:48.592 --> 01:35:49.372
of October.

01:35:49.912 --> 01:35:52.595
for a halloween horror comic book

01:35:52.654 --> 01:35:56.237
spectacular with my good friend with uh

01:35:56.657 --> 01:35:59.479
francesco nilo's gonna be joining me he's

01:35:59.498 --> 01:36:02.159
a comic book artist out of argentina if

01:36:02.220 --> 01:36:03.501
any of y'all want to stop through and

01:36:03.541 --> 01:36:06.103
give your favorite five or six whatever

01:36:07.028 --> 01:36:08.149
horror comic books,

01:36:08.668 --> 01:36:10.010
y'all are more than welcome to swing back

01:36:10.029 --> 01:36:10.310
by.

01:36:10.911 --> 01:36:12.292
I'll shoot you a link on the day

01:36:12.391 --> 01:36:13.412
of, like I did tonight.

01:36:14.012 --> 01:36:15.333
And y'all can just stop three for five

01:36:15.373 --> 01:36:16.015
or ten minutes,

01:36:16.234 --> 01:36:17.916
drop your favorite horror comic books,

01:36:18.055 --> 01:36:19.877
and give us a loot.

01:36:20.198 --> 01:36:22.118
And we're just going to go for about

01:36:22.158 --> 01:36:24.240
an hour just talking about Halloween

01:36:24.261 --> 01:36:25.180
horror comics, man.

01:36:25.980 --> 01:36:29.983
Then I'll be back live again the very

01:36:30.002 --> 01:36:31.423
next day on the twenty eighth,

01:36:31.463 --> 01:36:33.324
doing another one of these interviews with

01:36:33.385 --> 01:36:36.485
a Kickstarter that I think is ongoing,

01:36:36.506 --> 01:36:38.327
if I'm not mistaken.

01:36:39.028 --> 01:36:40.908
And then before or after that,

01:36:40.948 --> 01:36:42.930
I'll be shooting another message out soon.

01:36:43.489 --> 01:36:46.430
across the indie comic sphere to say hey

01:36:46.990 --> 01:36:49.072
november's almost here let's start lining

01:36:49.112 --> 01:36:52.051
up interviews for november as i have

01:36:52.171 --> 01:36:54.212
opened up the united states department of

01:36:54.273 --> 01:36:58.594
nerds to be the indie creators one-stop

01:36:58.613 --> 01:37:00.354
shop come hang out with us let's talk

01:37:00.373 --> 01:37:02.194
about your projects let's talk about the

01:37:02.555 --> 01:37:04.376
good work that y'all are bringing to the

01:37:04.416 --> 01:37:08.476
world and with that i'm going to say

01:37:08.516 --> 01:37:09.716
it apogee

01:37:12.002 --> 01:37:13.664
Nick, Matt, Harsh,

01:37:14.164 --> 01:37:17.488
you are all USDN approved.

01:37:18.250 --> 01:37:20.212
And welcome to the Council of Nerds.

01:37:21.033 --> 01:37:22.253
With that,

01:37:22.293 --> 01:37:24.256
we wish you all a good night.

01:37:25.296 --> 01:37:26.037
Actually, you do.

01:37:26.078 --> 01:37:27.179
Awesome.

01:37:27.198 --> 01:37:27.600
Thank you, sir.

01:37:27.619 --> 01:37:28.621
Appreciate it.

01:37:28.701 --> 01:37:29.041
Yes, sir.