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Real Neil McPhedran: Welcome to Continuing
Studies, a podcast for higher education

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podcasters to learn and get inspired.

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I'm Neil McPhedran, founder
of Podium Podcast Company.

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Real Jennifer-Lee: And I'm
Jennifer-Lee, founder of JPod

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Creations, podcasting is broadcasting.

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We want you to know you're not alone.

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In fact, there are many of you
higher ed podcasters out there.

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And we can all learn from each other.

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Real Neil McPhedran: That's right Jen.

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And today we are really gonna lean
into this part about learning from

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each other and talk about the PodCon
a little bit more now that we've

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got all of our speakers and sort
of the day's agenda all sorted out.

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This is really exciting and we're gonna
do something a little bit different today.

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We're gonna let AI Jen and AI Neil
take over for the rest of the show.

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Real Jennifer-Lee: Yeah.

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Real Neil McPhedran: I know you're
not super excited about this.

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Real Jennifer-Lee: I'm not super excited.

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I just,

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Real Neil McPhedran:
Full disclosure, my idea.

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Real Jennifer-Lee: It is your idea.

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Well, I feel like, you know,
we keep talking about AI.

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I'm not scared of AI.

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I use it in my business, but you
know, I'm just thinking about that

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Will Smith movie with the robots.

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They build the robots
and then they kill them.

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I just don't understand why we're creating
all these like clone versions because

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I was like, we're just asking for it.

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Didn't we watch these movies?

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Like, aren't they warnings?

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So this is where my thoughts are going.

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It's like, why are we
doing this to ourselves?

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Real Neil McPhedran: Jen, I think
as a broadcaster you might be a

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little bit more sensitive about
this, but I do agree with you.

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And there is a reason we did this.

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So this is what we did.

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We took the Higher Ed PodCon website and
all of the agenda and all of the details

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and everything like that, and had Notebook
LM, you know, take all that and then

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turn it into a five minute discussion.

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And so there's a male voice, that's
AI Neil, and there's a female voice,

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that's AI Jen, they don't really
sound like us, but that's what it is.

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And they have a little discussion
about the show and everything about it.

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So we thought it was kind of a neat
idea and way to dig into the content.

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But also I just think it's interesting
for the higher education space, not that

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we wanna replace ourselves as podcasters,
and I don't mean it from a podcaster

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perspective, but it's interesting from
a learning perspective, like especially

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for multitasking and commuting.

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So you could take a article about
something, a big, huge, long article

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or a research study or whatever, put
it into this and then listen to a

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dialogue while you're riding the subway.

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Not perfect, but it's kind
of an interesting approach.

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Again, we're not trying
to replace ourselves.

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Real Jennifer-Lee: No, and I get it.

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There is a time and place to use it.

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I think my worry is that, and this
is a larger discussion, maybe it's a

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future topic for Continuing Studies,
we can't be too reliant on AI.

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It's there to be used as a tool
to be helpful and to scale us up.

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But the problem is, and there's been
articles written about this recently from

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some great minds in podcasting, is the
listeners are starting to get wise and you

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still have to have that content creation.

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Content creation is always gonna be there.

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And you have to have that personal touch.

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But it's okay to use AI every
so often, but you know, I was

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like, I'll try anything once.

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Try anything once.

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We're gonna let, we'll let it slide.

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You and I will be back next week.

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You start replacing me with AI Jen, then
we're gonna have a, a bigger problem.

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Real Neil McPhedran: We're not gonna
replace you with AI Jen, that's for sure.

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You can't get the personality
from AI Jen that the real Jen has.

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There's no question.

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Real Jennifer-Lee: And I have
say from broadcasting, because

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I have extensive training, her
inflection is not quite there yet,

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but I'm sure they're working on it.

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Real Neil McPhedran: It's pretty good.

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But you're right, like if you
listen to it, you can tell, it's

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just like when I read something
now and I go, that's verbatim out

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of ChatGPT or something like that.

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So I think we can really
tell in how we use it.

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I was at the Web Summit
Vancouver all last week.

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Big huge internet conference,
15,000 plus people there, all

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technology across the board.

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Oh my goodness.

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AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI,
AI, AI, all day long.

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And then I was telling people what
I'm up to, oh, are you using AI?

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So I think it's here to stay
and I think it's super helpful.

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But yeah, let's just see
how it all shakes out.

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Real Jennifer-Lee: I think it's
here to stay like the internet.

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We were all scared of the internet,
but again, you gotta know how to use

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the internet because we all know that
there's a lot of bad things that have

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happened to people using the internet.

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Real Neil McPhedran: Okay, so with
that, let's let AI Jen and AI Neil

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take over for the next five minutes
and we'll come back at the end.

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Real Jennifer-Lee: Well, at least
there's one good thing about this.

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We can go have a coffee break.

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AI Neil McPhedran: Okay.

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So, uh, let's dive into these sources.

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We've got some interesting material here
about something new, something specific

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happening in higher education audio.

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AI Jennifer-Lee: That's right.

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We're looking at, um, the
launch of a conference.

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And the interesting thing is it
seems to have come directly from

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the higher ed community itself.

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AI Neil McPhedran: Right.

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Like they were asking for it.

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AI Jennifer-Lee: Exactly.

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A dedicated space, you know, just
for talking about podcasting and

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digital media within colleges and
universities, our sources say this

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event is really filling that gap.

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AI Neil McPhedran: Okay, so
for this deep dive, let's try

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and pull out the key details.

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What's the story behind this
first ever event and, uh,

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why should we pay attention?

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AI Jennifer-Lee: Well, first
things first, the name.

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The sources, call it the
inaugural Higher Ed PodCon.

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AI Neil McPhedran: Higher Ed PodCon.

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Okay, catchy enough.

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And the basics, where, when?

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AI Jennifer-Lee: It's happening
Saturday, July 12th, 2025.

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So it's a one day event packed, I imagine.

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And it's being held at the
University of Illinois Chicago.

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AI Neil McPhedran: Okay.

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And who's expected to be there?

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Is it just administrators or?

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AI Jennifer-Lee: No, the
sources are pretty clear.

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It's for the people actually,
you know, making this stuff.

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Faculty, staff, the tech specialists
who support it, communicators.

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Basically anyone involved in
campus audio and digital media.

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AI Neil McPhedran: Got it.

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And it sounds like it's not just
a small gathering, judging by the

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numbers and the material we have.

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AI Jennifer-Lee: Yeah.

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That's what's kind of
striking for a first event.

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Uh, the sources mention over 15 sessions.

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AI Neil McPhedran: 15.

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Wow.

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AI Jennifer-Lee: And
more than 40 presenters.

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Plus participation from, I think it
said over 25 different institutions.

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They list some big names too,
like Purdue, Stanford, Penn State.

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AI Neil McPhedran: That definitely signals
some real momentum right from the start.

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But let's, uh, let's dig into the
content, the sessions, the speakers.

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That's where the real value is, right?

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The keynote sounds interesting.

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AI Jennifer-Lee: Absolutely.

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Sources point to Matt Abraham's.

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He's, um, teaches at Stanford's
Business School and host that

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podcast, Think Fast, Talk Smart.

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AI Neil McPhedran: Oh, right.

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I know that one.

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AI Jennifer-Lee: Yeah.

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And his session, based on the
material, is focused on like strategic

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communication, how to be clear, how
to engage your audience effectively in

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audio, getting practical tactics, really.

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AI Neil McPhedran: Which is crucial.

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Anyone creating content needs that,
and there was something about Purdue

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that caught my eye in the sources.

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AI Jennifer-Lee: Yes.

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The Purdue University team,
Kate Young and Maria Welch.

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Their session title is great.

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Podcasting, Social Media and Video, Oh My.

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And they're apparently sharing the
quote, formula behind their show,

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This is Purdue, which is, uh, often
cited as a top university podcast.

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AI Neil McPhedran: The formula.

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So the nuts and bolts.

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AI Jennifer-Lee: Exactly.

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The sources say they'll cover things
like integrating social media,

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video strategy, how to optimize
content so it works everywhere.

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Basically building a whole multimedia
approach around the podcast.

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AI Neil McPhedran: That sounds incredibly
useful, like really actionable stuff.

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And wasn't there a podcast
Hall of Famer mentioned too?

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AI Jennifer-Lee: Uh-huh.

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Dave Jackson.

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The material notes, he's helped
launch hundreds of shows.

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AI Neil McPhedran: Wow.

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AI Jennifer-Lee: His session is about
practical guidance for launching

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or maybe relaunching a show.

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Specifically thinking
about university budgets.

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AI Neil McPhedran: Uh,
the budget constraint.

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Always key.

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AI Jennifer-Lee: Right.

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So cost effective production, using
YouTube effectively, strategies

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for making it sustainable, you
know, long-term, pragmatic stuff.

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AI Neil McPhedran: Makes sense.

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And there was one more about
scaling up a whole network.

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AI Jennifer-Lee: Yeah.

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From Lansing Community College,
Ed Lowry and Layne Ingram.

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Their session is called From 5
to 30: Growing a Podcast Network,

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AI Neil McPhedran: 5 to 30
shows, how they manage that?

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AI Jennifer-Lee: Well, that's
what the session's about.

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The sources highlight how they did it.

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Fostering collaboration, encouraging
people, getting that crucial buy-in

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across different departments.

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It's like a blueprint for building
that internal support system for audio.

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AI Neil McPhedran: Okay, so
lots of practical takeaways.

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If you're someone in higher ed
thinking about this the sources seem

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to list some core reasons to go.

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AI Jennifer-Lee: They
frame them as benefits.

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One is, you know, joining the leading
edge, being part of this growing movement.

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Networking is another big one,
meeting peers doing similar things.

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AI Neil McPhedran: So
connecting with others.

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AI Jennifer-Lee: And then
crucially getting those practical

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tools and strategies you can
actually use back on campus.

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And finally, sort of staying competitive,
keeping your institution relevant

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in how it communicates digitally.

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AI Neil McPhedran: Those
all sound like real needs.

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And if people want more info?

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AI Jennifer-Lee: The sources point
to a website HigherEdPodCon.com

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AI Neil McPhedran: HHIGHER ED PODCON.com.

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Got it.

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So let's zoom out.

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What is this conference
really signify happening now?

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AI Jennifer-Lee: Well, it feels like
more than just another conference.

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It suggests, um, a kind of coming
of age for podcasting in higher ed.

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It's becoming a recognized field, you
know, not just a side project anymore.

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There's a community forming,
looking to share best practices.

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It marks a certain maturity.

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AI Neil McPhedran: And why does
this matter to you listening?

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I think it shows how universities
are actively exploring these really

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powerful ways to connect, to share
knowledge, tell their stories, using

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audio to reach people in new ways.

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AI Jennifer-Lee: Which does make you
wonder, if this is just the beginning

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of a focused movement, what could the
future of education, communication,

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connection, what could it sound like
if more places really lean into this

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kind of digital audio storytelling.

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Gives you something to think about.

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Real Neil McPhedran: Okay, we're back.

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Real Neil.

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Real Jen.

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We're back.

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That was fun.

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Real Jennifer-Lee: That
was a good coffee break.

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Real Neil McPhedran: It
was a good coffee break.

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I think they did a good job of,
you know, in five minutes doing a

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interesting discussion about PodCon
and the speakers and the content.

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And that's why we, we did this episode.

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Real Jennifer-Lee: I'll give them that.

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But again, I was rating
their broadcasting skills.

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They need some work.

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Maybe I should coach them.

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Real Neil McPhedran: What letter
grade are you giving them?

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Jen, a C?

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Real Jennifer-Lee: Yeah, maybe a C. Just,
they're where I was like 20 years ago

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at the beginning of my broadcast career.

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They're like early, early days,
but maybe that's a new job for me.

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Instead of training people how
to speak on podcasts, I can

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train the AI's to be better.

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Real Neil McPhedran: Train bots.

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Real Jennifer-Lee: I don't know
if that's really what I wanna do,

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Real Neil McPhedran: Bot trainer, Jen.

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Real Jennifer-Lee: New job.

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Real Neil McPhedran: Anyway, I think
let's just end with, that if you're

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listening and you haven't bought a ticket
yet, we really hope to see you there.

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I think it's gonna be a really
amazing day of learning.

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But as we've said all along, at the
heart of it really is about networking.

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We really wanna meet each
other, support each other.

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I think higher education is a unique
corner of the podcast space and

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there's a lot of things that are
unique to us and I think that we

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could learn a lot from each other.

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So, hope to see you there.

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Real Jennifer-Lee: I agree.

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And that's the one thing I'll say about
podcast conferences in general, 'cause I

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just got back from one, is that podcasting
is still very young in all fields.

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Here in Canada especially,
there's not that many of us.

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So when you go to these
conferences, it is so nice.

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The vibe is so great
because you learn a lot.

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But like you said, you meet a ton of
people and it's a really great feeling

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that you're like, oh, I'm not alone.

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And everyone's excited.

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Because everyone's doing the same thing.

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So that's what I really love about it.

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Real Neil McPhedran: It's about the
connections really at the end of the day.

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So there you go.

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We met at a conference.

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Real Jennifer-Lee: That's
how this whole journey began.

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I would've never met you.

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Real Neil McPhedran: Okay, real
Jen, why don't you read a out?

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Real Jennifer-Lee: Real Jen.

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