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.A year and a half ago, we. Risked it all and moved to France. We'll

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be sharing about our life abroad, how people could do hard things to. Transform

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their own lives and everything in between. This is Sophie and

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Jordan Epton. Welcome to the Away We Go We Go podcast.

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Hello, and welcome back to another episode of the Away We Go We Go

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podcast. Have you ever dreamed of living in Paris? The

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cafes, the cobblestone streets, and, yes, the croissants.

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But wondered what it's really like to raise a family there? Today's

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guest pulls back the curtain in the most honest, hilarious, and refreshing

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way. I am so excited to welcome Tricia

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Estoppenan, the brilliant and funny creator behind the viral

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Instagram account Mama Does Europe. Patricia shares the real

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Parisian experience, the beauty and the charm, of course, but also the

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chaos of moving abroad with two babies, navigating French

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bureaucracy, learning a new language, and building a life during

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a global pandemic. From moving to Paris just two weeks before

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lockdown, defining her community, and growing a

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massive online following by keeping things totally authentic,

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Trish's story is such a great reminder that expat life is

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equal parts magical and messy. In today's episode, we talk

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about how she and her husband Javi built a life abroad, what it's really

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like raising kids in France, and how her social media career

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has evolved into something truly special. We also chat

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about her family's next big adventure, moving back to Florida after five

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years in Paris, and how she's processing the emotions that come with saying

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goodbye. This conversation is so real, so funny,

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and full of insight for anyone who's ever wondered what it's like to pack up

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your life and start fresh overseas. Tricia, welcome to the

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podcast. So, Tricia, I am so excited to

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welcome you to the podcast today. Thank you. Thank You. You. So

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when I. I was telling you about this before we started, but when I first

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moved to France, I found your account immediately

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on Instagram and I thought you were so

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relevant and hilarious and you were just so informative,

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truly, about, like, the real kind

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of the French experience that no one talks because you live in Paris

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and everyone romanticizes it so much. And it's just, you know,

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there's there's romantic things and there's not so romantic things

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that are happening. Yeah, it's like, I

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know that people know that. So it's like I want to keep it real. So

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you see both sides. I do love it, but I. Still love

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it, but I just feel like the way that you kind of

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talked about the Ups and downs, but always made it, like, very funny.

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And it was just. For me, it was like, when I watched everything, I was

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like, okay, like, someone else is going through. Through this. As we're starting to, like,

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live our lives in France with two kids very young, which I know you

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understand very well, too, so I want to just

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kind of get into your backstory a little bit. So where

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did you grow up, and did you always have an affinity

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for travel? Like, what was your childhood like? You know, it's funny, I actually

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did not. I grew up in Orlando, Florida. Okay. And we

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didn't really. We weren't like, a big travel family, you know, never to other

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countries. And I honestly didn't really travel

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or get the bug to travel until I met my now husband. And

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he lived in. You know, he lived in China. Yeah. Which is another story. Yes,

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we'll get into that. But when I visited him in

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China and I saw how he was living this life in China, I was like,

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this is amazing. I would love that experience. And,

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you know, then as we, you know, got engaged, got married, I was

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like, anytime that Disney gives you an opportunity to live abroad, I'm

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down. I didn't care where. Like, I was ready to go to China, so.

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But no, I didn't really have that bug until I was

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older, so 20s. But I love that it's like a

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different era of your life, and, yeah, you, like, blew it out

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in the best. In the best way. So tell me, when was the first

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time that you actually traveled to France, and what was that experience like

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for you? That's what's crazy. We.

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I had never even been. We had a layover here one time. We

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visited Spain, but, you know, we didn't see anything, so I can't, like, I don't

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have an opinion. We came together on our looksy trip to find

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an apartment when we were moving here. So, like, oh, my

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gosh. No way. Yes. Yes. I was like, yeah,

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I'm down. Like, let's go. I literally just had a baby, so I had a

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newborn, and my parents had to keep the kids, and we

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came, and that was my first time ever to see

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France, which is insane to think about, you know, so. So when you

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arrived, was it a good landing? Or were you kind of like,

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what did we get ourselves into? Or how did you feel about it? I mean,

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pumping, and I'm still. I'm like, in Paris. I think I was

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really excited about it. It was just, like, I knew it was going to be

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such an adventure with babies literally moving here, but I

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was excited and I loved it. We went out to dinners, and we just,

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like, literally saw the Eiffel Tower for the first time. I was like, this is

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going to be so amazing. And it was freezing, so that was a change.

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just. I honestly remember being just, like, down, but that's just how I am.

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a good attitude to have when you're coming here, because I think to people, when

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you put expectations on things, it's like the worst versus kind of being

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like, you're just sort of, like, surrendering to, like, what it could be and

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being excited and, like, that's. That's the best.

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and get more into that. But I love the dynamic that you

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and your husband Javi have because you, like, share all about him and your

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cute, adorable boys, and, like, both of you are

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so funny. So I would love for you to tell the audience

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more about just how the two of you met and just more of your whole.

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Your whole story. Well, I was

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married before, and it was a really bad situation.

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So as I was, you know, we were going to get a divorce. I was

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going to divorce, you know, but I was still married. And Javi

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is close friends with my cousin, and he flew

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in from China from Shanghai to go to my cousin's wedding,

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where he met me. That's where. So, yeah, he was just. He

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literally flew in from Shanghai for the weekend, which is insane.

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In Florida. And that's where we kind of got

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started, but I was, like, going through a divorce, so I was like, oh, you

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know, like, I don't want to talk to this guy. Like, you know, I don't

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know that I'm ready. And we just continued. We just kind of

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talked. And then, like, six months later, I'm flying

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to China by myself for the first time ever. I never flew by

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myself. Oh, and this is, like, how many hours? Like, 20 hours?

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flights, but I think the longest was 14, which is. It was brutal.

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14 hours. Like, no. But I had never flown by myself

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in my life. Wow.

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things are the same in person and hanging out and it was great.

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second time and that was it. Then you finally moved home. So we did long

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distance for a whole year when he was in China. I mean, that says a

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lot, too. But also, it also says a lot that you liked him enough from

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one weekend you're willing to, like, get on a flight for that long.

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You knew something was, like, really special was there. Yeah, yeah.

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so he was, like, there for me through my whole divorce, which was nice.

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ever think, like, when you were first starting to date him that being with

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him would lead to this, like, crazy adventure that you've called life?

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expat assignment in China. So, I mean, I

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guess I had an idea, or he told me, you know, I may be

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flagged for other assignments in the future. And I was like, I'm

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down. And we actually thought the next assignment would

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be back to China because we thought they'd be building the second park, and I

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was down to move to China. Yeah yeah. So I was like, France. Paris

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was like, what? We had. No, it wasn't on our radar.

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We had no idea that was going to come up. So it was. Yeah. Exciting.

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story is maybe a little bit more complicated than a lot,

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because first of all, I know that you moved with your

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two little. I mean, one was like, yeah, newborn small. Two

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small boys. And then when you moved there,

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Covid started to happen. You had to, like, move back a little bit to Florida.

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So. So tell me, just kind of like, what that experience was like. Did you

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feel like you assimilated quickly or is that not even a normal question? Because of

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Covid. Yeah. No, no. Like, to be honest with you, we moved

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two weeks prior to the lockdown.

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a four month old and he wasn't even one yet. So I had two under

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two. They're both, you know, small babies. And two weeks

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later, lockdown happens. Like, my mom had moved with us. She had to, like, hurry

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and fly home, get out of France. And then it was just. Yeah. Like,

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we never got to really experience Paris, you know,

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the real Paris. It was all we knew. All I knew was,

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like, an empty Paris, which was kind of cool because I get to see everything

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with nobody here. That's true. That's like a once

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in a lifetime experience. For sure. It was so on the positive that.

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But also, you know, my husband couldn't go to work, so, like,

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he was stuck with us. Oh, my gosh.

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kind of helped me because then I wasn't alone with the kids immediately in a

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foreign country. He was with me. That's true. That's true.

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able to work from home, too. And it's like, if it's so isolating

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already as experience, then you add motherhood on top of it. So I.

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I agree. It was kind of like, good and bad at the same time to

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have that happen. It kind of helps me out because, like. But

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what's crazy is this Paris had really strict. Like, you could

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only go within certain area of your home and

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yeah. I know, I know.

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go out, even, like, walk. Yeah. Have a form, then police would stop her

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and, like, the whole thing. So. Yeah.

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craziness of Covid. Then you moved back to Florida for a year

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and then. But, like, coming back to Paris when it was a lot more

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opened up. Like, did that feel like such a different experience for you?

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was almost two years. And then what happened was my husband's projects that

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he was here for, everything got delayed because of this, and so they

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reset. They sent us home for a year to reset our visa, and then we

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came back for another three. But at that time, I was, like,

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excited to go home, you know, Like, I had, you know, like, I never really

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got to fully immerse myself, you know, really

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experience living in Paris because I was just, like, stuck in my apartment.

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Couldn't go out to eat. Like, I couldn't do anything. So. And I couldn't see

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my family. They couldn't come visit, you know, so at that point, it was actually

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awesome because we got to go home for a year, and then we knew. Knew

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we got to come back and experience it how we should experience.

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Yes, yes. Like, you were anticipating it and planning for it and.

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Yeah. So now we got, like, a Second chance. We got to pick

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a different apartment, so we had different area, so everything was like a

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redo. So it was great. Yeah, I know. It's kind of true.

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we've moved here has been like, we've done it twice because you kind of, like,

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screwed up the first time, so. Yeah, exactly. The apartment that we

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picked, we didn't love the area and the apartment not being, like, big

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enough, so we had to, like, move to one. Then, like, we found a crush

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for the kids, but then we ended up, like, moving them, so it's like everything

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we did twice. So it's nice that you guys had a lot more time to

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plan for that. And that was. I'm glad that you've gotten to, like, come back

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and experience Paris, you know, just correctly.

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Correctly in that. In that way. So. So I'm going to

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like, what has it been like for being in

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Paris? Like, as an American, do you feel like

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it was easier to assimilate because it's Paris versus the rest of France, or

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how do you feel? Like this whole.

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How has the whole situation been?

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even the first time, was join Facebook groups, you know, with English

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speaking moms and make your own community

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and. Yeah, like, my friends aren't French. They're not all

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American either. I just, like, also, our boys go to a bilingual international

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school, so I'm able to, you know, meet parents from everywhere

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and, like, everyone speaks English, so, like, that kind of makes it easier.

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And. Yeah, that's. I think. And where

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we live is also close to the Eiffel Tower. Like, everyone here

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speaks English, which is kind of bad because

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it's like I, you know, can speak French. I mean, not fluently, but

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if I do speak French, they just speak English back to me because they know

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I'm not. I know, I know. I'm trying,

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you know. Are you.

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Are you. This is like such a backstory. But are you watching This Summer I

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Turned Pretty at all. Do you know that? No, but, you know, I'm. I tried

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to start it, and then I fell asleep with one episode, but I was like,

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I heard that you need to watch two episodes and push through. Yeah, I'm not

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into it, you know? Yes. So should I. Do I need to watch it?

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You should. You should. And there's a part where she. This is the last episode.

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She just went to Paris we actually just recorded, like, a podcast having to kind

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of do with this, talking about, like, the similarities and differences of, like, you

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know, what. What the real is. But. But she was talking about that, like, being

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in Paris, she's like, even when I have, like, rehearsed the best thing and the

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best accent, they still know I'm American. They speak back to me in English,

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and, like, that's just what it is. So I think where I live in the

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south, they're just. I mean, there's definitely people who speak English, but there's a lot

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who don't. It's so different than Paris. Yes. Yeah, so we were like, we're forced

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to have to, like, speak. I mean, there's places we drive to and stay, like,

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at Airbnbs, where. Yeah, they would. We're in the middle of nowhere. Yeah.

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So that's. I mean That's good. Yeah. But I

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think it's amazing. I've seen, you know, just. Yeah. The group that you've

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been able to create, which I also think is different in Paris because there's, I

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think, a bigger expat community. But I

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love that you've, like, found your community there, and I think that's. That's

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awesome. So, just in terms of. As we talked about

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romanticizing Paris and everyone, I mean, I feel like Americans just love

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Paris more than any other city. What do you actually think that

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you love the most about living in the city? And what

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do you find to be the most tricky or, like, what do you think are

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the biggest differences between, you know, Parisians

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and Americans and kind of how that culture comes together or

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clashes? Well, let's see. I mean, yeah, there are a lot

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of differences. I would say what I love the most about Paris

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is this is definitely my number one. It's just, like, I walk out of my

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door, and it's just, like, immediately beautiful. Everything is beautiful. Every building's

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beautiful. I'm just. I've still, to this day, I. I just

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like to walk around. I just. I'm like, this is amazing. Like, I live here.

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This is so beautiful. This is outside my door. The food,

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the food. 10 out of 10. So many good

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restaurants. Like, you can't even. You can't even go to the mall. There's thousands.

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But the difference is with, like, Parisians, I think they

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are harder to. They're like a harder shell. You know how Americans were

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just so. Hi. Hi, Smiley. Yes. Yes. And it

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just, like, takes. It's harder to, like, crack them open. But I. I

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do think that they're nice people think that they're rude, but to me, I just

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don't think so. I think they're just different. You know, they're not

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smiley like Americans and upfront friendly. And it takes time.

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And I also noticed the work life balance here is so,

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so different than in the US it's like, so different.

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So different. Like, and meals are just like enjoyed for hours,

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you know, and you just sit and talk and enjoy and

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I mean, even lunchtime, like, Javi's telling me they go to lunch and they'll have

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like a bottle of wine. And that's totally normal here. Like, it's

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just. But I say, let's say the hard part is like administration

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and customer service and it's not the

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same. Yes, the customer service is. Oh,

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it's. No, I recently, I called, so

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it's just. Yeah. I had to call my Chase credit card

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recently to dispute this claim. It was like a fraudulent

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charge and they were to be able to talk to someone from

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America and to be able to just. They were like, great, we'll take care of

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it, no problem. And I got off the phone and I said to my husband,

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I was like, customer service, service. It's just so

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nice. Yeah. Yes,

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yes. That's so funny you say that. We just recently had to do the same

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thing. Javi was on speaker with someone. They're like, how can I help you today?

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This. What do you need? Oh, no problem. I'm like,

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wow. Yeah, yeah, no, it

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is. It's probably, I would say for me, like, the conveniences and

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the customer service are by far, like the hardest things to. Because it's

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just. Yeah. It just doesn't exist. Although I feel like

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in Paris at least you have somewhat more convenience,

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but still it's totally different than living in Paris. So. Yeah,

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convenience. You're right. That's a huge one. That's a huge one. But

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I think it's, it's hard for me to think about these things because, like,

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I've been here so long and like, these things have become normal to me. So

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I'm like trying to, you know, to me, I'm just used to it

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now, but when you think about it, I'm like, yes, yes. Right. You're, you're, you're

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used to things being closed in the middle of the day or closed on

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Sundays or people taking a month long vacation in August or

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like all these things. Yeah, yeah, I'm just, I'm used to it.

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So when you say things, I'm like, yes, yes, this, it's. Yeah. And I know

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when I go back to the U.S. things become, you know, the reverse culture

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shocks become so apparent to me. I'm like, whoa, that's crazy,

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you know? Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure.

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I want to talk with you more just about your Instagram account, because,

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like, you should feel so proud of yourself. It is a

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triumph. You have, you know, created something that I think people have

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really responded to you now. I looked today. You're now officially up to

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150,000 followers. So congratulations on that.

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That was my goal. That was my summer goal, so. Oh, I love that.

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That's. That's amazing. So kind of walk me

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through what inspired you to start this account and just

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kind of what has been some of the best and most unexpected moments

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as you've kind of been through this journey in social media. Yeah, well,

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I honestly started when we first moved here, but I was just,

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you know, that was still photos. Photo posts were the things.

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Right? And then once reels came out, that was,

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like, the new thing. I remember. I remember my very first one,

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and it was a real taking. It was like my walk

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to pick up my oldest from school. It was, like, far, because I lived in

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the 16th, had to cross the river. It was, like, crazy. Oh, wow.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I did, like, clips,

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and. And I put, like, a French song, and I was like, wow.

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You know, I liked that. That was fun. And then it was like my.

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I just got. I had so much fun making reels from then on. I loved

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making reels, and I was like, this is my creative outlet. Because I'm really, like,

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not creative, but I actually liked doing this, so I was like, well, this is,

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like, my thing. And so. No, you're. You're very creative. You just had

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to find your outlet. Yeah, that was my. Yeah, this is, like, my thing. I

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love it. Like, my favorite are the funny ones, though. Like, my favorite reels

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are like, you know, the funny voiceovers I do with my husband.

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Yes. Stuff like that are the most fun I have.

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But. Yeah, well, the hardest part with Instagram, I'd say,

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is, like, everyone's opinions. So it's like you open yourself

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up to so much scrutiny. It's crazy.

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Yeah. So many opinions. Like, I didn't ask for your opinions.

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Yeah, no, it's. It's wild when you see, like,

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who's out there, and you're like, okay, clearly, you're literally a troll in

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a basement, like, just starting off, but it's still. It's hard to, like,

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hard to create that channel. Yeah. Yes.

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So that's Something like, if you're. Yeah. You ever want to be in social media,

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like, you better, like, have a thick skin because no matter what

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you post, no matter what, there's going to be some

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hate on it. Like, I don't care what I post. It's. It makes me laugh

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because I'm like, this is. There's nothing. How could you find something bad in this?

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But they will find that one little piece is all, you know,

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attacking for it. I just went on. So I just got used to

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that. But the thing is, is, like, you're. You're creating

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and they're consuming. And so, like, that is definitely the difference. But. No, I

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know what you mean. It's like, we had one post that went viral and people

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were knocking me because I said, my two twins, they're like, it's just

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twins. You don't have two of them. I'm like, really?

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So my husband, like, there's two of them.

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Yeah, I know. I know. It's so. I. Yeah,

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it's something ridiculous like that. Yes. But, like, surely

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you. You love it and you, you know, have done

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so much with it that you're willing to, like, take on the haters and just

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keep. Keep doing your thing. So I think that's great. So you were talking about

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how your favorite posts are, you know, with you and your husband doing funny things.

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But what do you think has been, like, your favorite viral post that you've

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ever created? I'm putting you on the spot here.

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I know. I have to think about my

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favorite. Like, that I had fun making or.

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I have.

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Oh, well, it's okay. You know, it's funny, too. The ones that you

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put the least amount of effort in are the ones that

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viral. So it was funny because I

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didn't. I did. I can kind of have an idea when I think, like,

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something's going to go viral. And I don't know if you saw that one. I

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did with Maddie Nelson and her husband and. Oh, yeah,

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I saw. Oh, yeah. But everyone thought it went viral.

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Yeah, that one, I think was pretty good because it was, like, so

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spur of the moment. I'm like, oh, let's do this one. And it was just.

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Boom. It just, like, blew up. Blew up. And that stuff like that

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is my favorite. And it literally took us two minutes. Yeah, that's

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what. So if you ever want something to go viral, don't put much

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thought into it because the least. It's

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great advice. Truly true. It's true. Anything.

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I'm. I'm like, I'm putting too much thought into this. I'm. So much effort. It's

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not like people

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know that I put too much effort into this, so it's not going to go

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viral. It's insane. But those funny ones are my

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favorite. Well, and I think they, again, I think it's you and your husband. You

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have, like, a really amazing chemistry, and I think people really, like, relate to

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it, and they just think you guys are hilarious and what you are. So I.

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I love it. It makes total sense. That one went viral.

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Anything with Javi, it's like, he's the star, though. People are like, oh, my God,

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Javi. And the one I just did with my. The one I did with my

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parents, I also love that one. That one in the restaurant. Yes, I

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saw that one, too. I know. It's so good. The newest one.

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That's a new one. That one was funny. I liked that one. Those are my

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favorite. I gotta. But I don't, like, find. I

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think I have to, like, hear the audio. And then it, like, the idea comes

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to me, so I have to, like, scroll sometimes, and, like, that's how I get

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motivated. Your inspiration, right? Yeah. These are all great

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tips for anyone listening that is, like, you know, trying to start their own account.

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So that's great. So I'm

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gonna switch gears a little bit here. I want to just talk a little bit

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more about what motherhood has been like for you. Living in

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France, moving with your small little babies. And,

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you know, what has it really been like raising these boys here?

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And, you know, what have you loved and, like, what are you kind

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of excited about thinking about them, like, going back to

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America as well? Yeah. What I love the most, I think, is

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that they go to school with, like, kids from so many

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different cultures and so many different languages. And they're

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asking me about them. They want to learn about it. They're like, oh, my friend,

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you know, went to Egypt and, like, they are so. What

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do you say? Multicultural there? Oh, yeah, definitely. They

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know, like, I never knew these things at their age. Like, they're being

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bilingual and knowing about all these other cultures and, like, I don't even think I

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knew, like, other countries. And one thing I

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noticed, like, French parenting, they are more

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laid back with, like, the kids have more independence. I feel like,

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yes, they do. It's like when you go to a park and it's like,

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you can tell. You're like, we are. We are way more helicopter. And they're just

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sitting, they're hanging out, they're reading a Book. They're just like, whatever. Their kids are

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playing. That's me now. I don't love it. I'm like, no,

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you play. Because it's like, that's their time to play.

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But in the us even my mom that's here now, she noticed at the

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park. She brought it up to me. I was like, yes, you see that? Because

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in the US it's like they follow. The kids are on the

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playground, and I'm still. That. I'm still that

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way. But maybe it's because I have twins. They're young. They're.

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They're three. They just turned three. Yeah, they're young. No,

434
00:26:47,970 --> 00:26:51,810
that's. That's okay. I mean, like, the older. Like, I'm like, if you're old enough

435
00:26:51,810 --> 00:26:54,930
to go play, like, I'm not. I'm gonna sit here and you.

436
00:26:56,290 --> 00:26:58,770
Okay. I'm looking forward to those days. For sure.

437
00:27:00,450 --> 00:27:04,030
Yeah. No, no, no. At three. No, not at three. Not at 30,

438
00:27:04,340 --> 00:27:07,980
but you know what I mean. Older and also, like, people always

439
00:27:07,980 --> 00:27:11,700
ask me, but I don't really know the answer to this, how

440
00:27:11,700 --> 00:27:15,020
are French kids so well behaved at

441
00:27:15,020 --> 00:27:18,580
restaurants? Yes. And they just sit. And they. I know,

442
00:27:18,580 --> 00:27:22,180
aren't running around the restaurant, and they don't need a tablet.

443
00:27:23,140 --> 00:27:26,260
Yeah. But then they're like, how. But honestly, like, I don't know.

444
00:27:27,060 --> 00:27:30,820
I don't know. Like, maybe because that's instilled in them from

445
00:27:30,820 --> 00:27:34,670
so young to sit and enjoy the meal and you sit and.

446
00:27:34,670 --> 00:27:38,350
Like, they do so often. I think so, yeah. You know that

447
00:27:38,350 --> 00:27:42,190
they're brought up like that. Like, I feel like even though my kids moved here

448
00:27:42,190 --> 00:27:45,950
because we. They were 10 months old when they moved, so I feel like they're

449
00:27:45,950 --> 00:27:49,590
sort of a hybrid right now. I feel like they're definitely crazier

450
00:27:49,750 --> 00:27:53,590
than a typical French file. They're

451
00:27:53,590 --> 00:27:56,830
a little more feral. But they also, like, they can sit for a while at

452
00:27:56,830 --> 00:28:00,670
a restaurant and be okay. But it's. It's just

453
00:28:00,670 --> 00:28:03,790
not the same when we. I feel like every time. Because my kids. I love

454
00:28:03,790 --> 00:28:07,510
that you're talking about this. It's like. It makes me feel, like, so good because

455
00:28:07,510 --> 00:28:10,030
they just started their international school. Like,

456
00:28:10,030 --> 00:28:13,670
but they. It's.

457
00:28:13,750 --> 00:28:16,950
Yeah. Just thinking about. I don't know, the fact that they are so much more

458
00:28:16,950 --> 00:28:19,550
feral, I feel like, than half the kids. I see them. I come to pick

459
00:28:19,550 --> 00:28:21,270
them up. They're like, running around. They're doing.

460
00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:27,280
Yeah. I'm like. I know. I'm hurry. Yeah.

461
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,840
Then I feel like my American showing of, like. Right, right.

462
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,960
But also, everyone here is so quiet. I know. So quiet.

463
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,560
And my youngest, still, he's got this. He. He actually,

464
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,320
I feel like, is the most French because he's been here since he was, like,

465
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,880
four months. Like, he only knows life here. He's the most

466
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,640
French, but he's also the most American in the sense that he's so loud.

467
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,240
Like. Yeah. Still. I'm like, yeah, it's yelling.

468
00:28:53,740 --> 00:28:57,420
Just talking. He's loud. Like, it's just natural, I guess. I don't know.

469
00:28:57,580 --> 00:29:01,340
Yeah. But, yeah, I noticed that a lot here. Like, the kids are. They're.

470
00:29:01,500 --> 00:29:04,860
Yeah, they're just, like, more calm. Like. I don't know.

471
00:29:05,260 --> 00:29:08,540
It's a difference for sure. You notice that. Yeah, it's.

472
00:29:09,259 --> 00:29:12,620
We'll kind of see. We'll kind of see how time goes. But, yeah, we definitely.

473
00:29:12,620 --> 00:29:15,500
I mean, I don't know. Sometimes I blame it on my husband because I'm like,

474
00:29:15,500 --> 00:29:19,300
you're already, like, such a loud, like, gregarious person. So I'm like, they

475
00:29:19,300 --> 00:29:22,590
just. They got it from you. So that's what's happening here.

476
00:29:24,270 --> 00:29:27,470
I think it's just. Yeah. I think it's just a natural octave, people.

477
00:29:27,950 --> 00:29:31,510
I know. Yeah. And he

478
00:29:31,510 --> 00:29:34,430
still talks so loud all the time in the. In our. Like, our apartment. I'm

479
00:29:34,430 --> 00:29:38,030
like, cool. Yeah. And then

480
00:29:38,030 --> 00:29:40,830
I noticed, like, when I go out to eat, I'm just like. I

481
00:29:40,910 --> 00:29:44,590
know. I know. It's. I know

482
00:29:47,090 --> 00:29:50,890
to be in our 30s and to have that, like, ingrained in us for

483
00:29:50,890 --> 00:29:54,410
so long about just that culture, it's. It's hard to, like. It can be hard

484
00:29:54,410 --> 00:29:58,210
to, like, tone it down a little bit. So. Yeah, I completely understand.

485
00:29:58,530 --> 00:30:02,170
So are the boys excited to move back to the States, or are

486
00:30:02,170 --> 00:30:05,810
they kind of, you know, getting a little bit sad?

487
00:30:06,130 --> 00:30:09,850
I don't know that they really understand. Like, my oldest, I

488
00:30:09,850 --> 00:30:13,670
think he understands, and he's, like, the most American. He love. He. He's like,

489
00:30:13,750 --> 00:30:16,990
bye, I'll go to Florida. Like, whatever. Like, he loves it because he wants to

490
00:30:16,990 --> 00:30:20,630
swim, and he wants to be like, we have a

491
00:30:20,630 --> 00:30:24,270
pool back home. So, like, he's, I think, gonna love it. But Cruz, I think

492
00:30:24,270 --> 00:30:28,030
will. He doesn't understand. He doesn't even remember living in

493
00:30:28,030 --> 00:30:31,830
Florida ever. Right, right. He was, like,

494
00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:35,430
three. He was three. And it was one year of his life. And

495
00:30:35,590 --> 00:30:38,670
I feel like we talked to them about it. Like, we're gonna be moving back.

496
00:30:38,670 --> 00:30:41,450
We're gonna be moving back, but I don't know that they really get it. You

497
00:30:41,450 --> 00:30:45,010
know, I think that they think we're gonna visit and then come back. So I.

498
00:30:45,010 --> 00:30:48,570
I don't know. I keep mentioning it, but I can't tell if they really grasp

499
00:30:48,570 --> 00:30:52,290
it, you know, I'm not sure. Well, just, like, we're

500
00:30:52,290 --> 00:30:56,090
gonna find out. Yeah. Just like any mother. You're. Yeah. You're just gonna do

501
00:30:56,090 --> 00:30:59,330
what you need to do, and you'll figure it out, so. Yeah.

502
00:30:59,970 --> 00:31:03,170
But I am trying to get them in a school that has a French

503
00:31:03,490 --> 00:31:06,770
program. Like a bilingual aspect.

504
00:31:07,290 --> 00:31:11,050
Yeah, that's awesome. But it's a magnet school,

505
00:31:11,050 --> 00:31:14,570
so it's like, I have to apply to get in. So

506
00:31:15,850 --> 00:31:19,290
I already wrote them on, like, my kids lived in France. They speak French. Like,

507
00:31:19,290 --> 00:31:23,050
you would think they might want them in the bond. Really? Well, yeah,

508
00:31:23,050 --> 00:31:26,450
I agree. I agree. Most people want to have their kids

509
00:31:26,450 --> 00:31:29,770
Spanish in Florida. So, like, I don't think the French program's as popular.

510
00:31:30,010 --> 00:31:33,850
So I think I have a good feeling that they'll. They'll be getting in.

511
00:31:34,170 --> 00:31:37,800
Do you think, in terms of, you know. You know, because you were

512
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,640
talking about, like, living in Paris and being able to. It's harder to

513
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,480
navigate the language. But, like, how. How. I mean, how do you feel

514
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,880
like your french is. Do you think that you'll still want to,

515
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,440
like, keep learning when you get home? It

516
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,200
depends. It just. I don't. You know, I don't know. It's like, I

517
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,960
always think about that, because then it's. It's like, I more so would use Spanish,

518
00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:03,640
you know, in Florida. And the crazy part is,

519
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,470
like, my husband's first language is Spanish. Our kids don't know Spanish. Oh,

520
00:32:07,470 --> 00:32:11,230
that's so wild. That is. I mean, it's true, though. Like,

521
00:32:11,230 --> 00:32:14,670
my husband lived in Argentina, so he speaks Spanish, but it's

522
00:32:15,390 --> 00:32:18,630
like, there's only so much we can, like, fit into the day when they're learning

523
00:32:18,630 --> 00:32:21,870
two other languages at the same time. So I totally get it. Yeah.

524
00:32:22,830 --> 00:32:26,270
And he's like, he. Yeah, it's like one parent would have to focus on

525
00:32:26,350 --> 00:32:30,150
only speaking, you know, that language. I mean, I have friends that do it. Their

526
00:32:30,150 --> 00:32:33,810
kids are trilingual already. But it's like, hobby. I

527
00:32:33,810 --> 00:32:36,970
always told him, people are like, I can't believe you never spoke or topic in

528
00:32:36,970 --> 00:32:40,810
Spanish. And he thought. He's just like, I think it's a lost cause, like,

529
00:32:40,810 --> 00:32:44,570
living in Orlando. Everyone we're around, everyone speaks English. English, English.

530
00:32:44,570 --> 00:32:48,090
I'm with the more speaking English. He's like, they wouldn't get Spanish that much.

531
00:32:48,330 --> 00:32:52,130
Yeah. So I don't know. I I

532
00:32:52,130 --> 00:32:55,170
don't know, but I think that I will, to a point to, like, keep it

533
00:32:55,170 --> 00:32:58,960
up with the kids and, like, keep their French going. So, I mean,

534
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,440
I think that I know enough now to. But they don't like to speak French

535
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:06,120
with me, so there's that. That's so funny. I have a

536
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,680
friend who. I have a friend who lives in Italy. Her husband's

537
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,320
Italian, and her son, he's so great, but he's, like, very

538
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:17,000
stubborn, and he does not like to speak English with her. And

539
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,040
especially she just took. She just took them back to the States to visit her

540
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,080
family, and it's like pulling teeth because he knows English.

541
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,920
I'd like to speak any English. He's like, no, I'm Italian.

542
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,520
Even though he was born in the U.S. it's really funny. No way. I just,

543
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:34,080
like, decide. He's four. They just, like, decide, I think, what

544
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,440
they. What they want to do. And, you know, that is

545
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,280
funny. No, my kids are like the opposite. They're like, we're not speaking French.

546
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,560
Sometimes I'll catch them, like, speaking French to each other. I'm like, oh, my God.

547
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,080
Oh, my God, this is so cute. That is the coolest.

548
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,980
Yeah. But definitely, my youngest is so French. He does, like, French

549
00:33:51,980 --> 00:33:55,820
expressions and just, like, little things that he does, like, crack me up because

550
00:33:55,820 --> 00:33:59,500
I'm like, oh, my God. Like, he's so French. I know. So it's

551
00:33:59,500 --> 00:34:03,100
gonna be so interesting to see how he adjusts to

552
00:34:03,100 --> 00:34:06,700
life. Yeah, I think it'll be fine.

553
00:34:06,700 --> 00:34:10,500
I'm sure it'll be good. They're like. They're young enough. So, I

554
00:34:10,500 --> 00:34:14,180
mean, speaking of that, like, I know, I mean, we've been mentioning it,

555
00:34:14,180 --> 00:34:17,619
but this is. So what's really interesting is you're probably the first person I've had

556
00:34:17,619 --> 00:34:21,459
on the podcast where you knew that you were moving to France with

557
00:34:21,459 --> 00:34:25,059
a kind of a finite, like an end point versus. I think everyone. I think

558
00:34:25,059 --> 00:34:28,339
everyone feels like once you move somewhere, like, you have to be there forever. And

559
00:34:28,339 --> 00:34:30,739
I don't. I don't like to look at life like that. I kind of like

560
00:34:30,739 --> 00:34:33,059
to be a little bit more fluid. You just never know where life is going

561
00:34:33,059 --> 00:34:36,459
to take you. But I would love to just kind of hear your

562
00:34:36,459 --> 00:34:40,219
perspective on, you know, what it's been like preparing

563
00:34:40,219 --> 00:34:43,969
that your family, they're moving. You guys are moving back in early 2026.

564
00:34:46,849 --> 00:34:49,809
We've planned a huge South Africa trip as like, our

565
00:34:50,609 --> 00:34:54,169
last. Oh, I have so many questions for you on that, by the way, because

566
00:34:54,169 --> 00:34:57,729
I'm like, planning my 40th in a few years. We're gonna do. I think we'll

567
00:34:57,729 --> 00:35:01,249
do something like that. So. Yeah. Yeah. Especially

568
00:35:01,489 --> 00:35:05,169
because it's, like. It's a way less flight from here than from the U.S.

569
00:35:05,809 --> 00:35:09,249
so we're like. So we've actually got it.

570
00:35:09,860 --> 00:35:13,460
Thank God. We got it to where? We're going to South Africa, like, three

571
00:35:13,460 --> 00:35:17,300
weeks, and then we're doing our home flights, and we go back to the U.S.

572
00:35:17,540 --> 00:35:21,380
so, like, the company booked our flight from South Africa to Florida.

573
00:35:21,540 --> 00:35:25,340
Amazing. We were gonna have to come all the way back to Paris, and

574
00:35:25,340 --> 00:35:28,620
then so we got it to where the price was actually cheaper. So we're like,

575
00:35:28,620 --> 00:35:32,260
can you just book our flight? Very nice. That's gonna be amazing.

576
00:35:32,500 --> 00:35:36,100
Beautiful way to, like, kind of spend your last days. And

577
00:35:36,100 --> 00:35:39,910
I'm excited for you. Yeah, I

578
00:35:39,910 --> 00:35:43,670
know that's. I'm really excited about this. But what. I mean, what

579
00:35:43,670 --> 00:35:47,350
are your thoughts about moving back? Like, what do you think that you're gonna miss

580
00:35:47,350 --> 00:35:51,110
the most? What do you think that you're the most excited about getting back to

581
00:35:51,110 --> 00:35:54,830
the U.S. Yeah, I think the main thing, the

582
00:35:54,830 --> 00:35:58,510
Alamis, is how social I am here during the week. Like,

583
00:35:58,510 --> 00:36:02,110
and I have more friends here than in the US And I see them

584
00:36:02,510 --> 00:36:06,300
all the time because, you know, you're in a. You're in a big city, and

585
00:36:06,300 --> 00:36:09,780
we can walk everywhere. And, I mean, I go to workouts with my friends. We

586
00:36:09,780 --> 00:36:13,620
just randomly go to lunch. And I'm constantly seeing my friends.

587
00:36:13,620 --> 00:36:17,140
And I know it's not like that in Florida at all. It's like, oh, we'll

588
00:36:17,140 --> 00:36:20,580
play with. Maybe see you on the weekend, or. It's not as, like,

589
00:36:21,620 --> 00:36:25,460
car culture. Yes. Get in a car. It takes a while to. Even if you

590
00:36:25,700 --> 00:36:29,060
live somewhere, it's like, take 20, 30 minutes. It's. Yeah, it's a whole thing.

591
00:36:29,220 --> 00:36:32,870
Exactly. Like, my friends are all spread out. It's like, that I think I'm going

592
00:36:32,870 --> 00:36:36,710
to struggle with, because I. And it's crazy, like, how many friends

593
00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:40,470
I made here. But also, like, I'd say excited

594
00:36:40,470 --> 00:36:44,270
for is definitely. Definitely the

595
00:36:44,270 --> 00:36:47,790
ease of having a yard and space.

596
00:36:48,190 --> 00:36:51,990
Yes. That to me is like, I miss that a lot

597
00:36:51,990 --> 00:36:54,710
because, like, I could open my door and, like, they just go play in the

598
00:36:54,710 --> 00:36:58,430
yard here. It's like, all right, let's dress. You gotta walk to the park. And,

599
00:36:58,980 --> 00:37:02,420
like, it's not that simple, especially when it's cold. So, like, also,

600
00:37:02,660 --> 00:37:06,100
you know, in Florida, we're like, oh, put on your sandals and, like, walk outside.

601
00:37:06,740 --> 00:37:09,460
So things like that. I Think are ease,

602
00:37:10,820 --> 00:37:14,660
you know, make your life a little easier with kids. For sure. For sure.

603
00:37:14,900 --> 00:37:18,540
You know, and it's like culture being able to go through

604
00:37:18,540 --> 00:37:21,100
drive throughs, like, I don't have to get you dressed, just like get in the

605
00:37:21,100 --> 00:37:24,780
car. Like. Right. Stuff

606
00:37:24,780 --> 00:37:28,390
like that. And obviously family. Having family around

607
00:37:28,390 --> 00:37:32,190
again is going to be amazing. Oh, yes. Having your village back,

608
00:37:32,270 --> 00:37:36,110
it's going to be huge. But I will 100,000%,

609
00:37:36,110 --> 00:37:39,830
like really miss Paris. I'm sure. But my husband will be business tripping, so

610
00:37:39,830 --> 00:37:43,670
maybe I'll just like go back with him. Absolutely. Oh my gosh. Take every chance

611
00:37:43,670 --> 00:37:46,750
you get. Yeah. Because I'm gonna. Unfortunately,

612
00:37:47,390 --> 00:37:51,150
just everything about life here is so different. It's just hard

613
00:37:51,150 --> 00:37:54,760
to compare the two. They're literally. Yes. Night and

614
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:58,600
day. Well, especially Florida, because it's not like you're moving from like New York City

615
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:02,360
to Paris, which has some similarities. Like, it's. That's as different as

616
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,200
it gets. People are like, how are you gonna do

617
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,800
this? I'm like, well, I'm like live my whole life in Florida. Like. Right,

618
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,640
right. I. I think also it depends like, what type of person you are. I'm

619
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,240
like a very, I've noticed this about myself, very adaptable.

620
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:21,220
Like, I can just like be happy. Like, I will figure it out and

621
00:38:21,220 --> 00:38:24,820
like I've got like the people I love, my family, Like, I'll be happy

622
00:38:24,820 --> 00:38:28,260
wherever you put me. Like, that's just how I am though. Yeah, I know. Not

623
00:38:28,260 --> 00:38:32,060
everybody. No, but that is, it's like such a gift to be that way because

624
00:38:32,060 --> 00:38:35,780
I think like I said, you, you have sort of surrendered to what is going

625
00:38:35,780 --> 00:38:39,180
to be, which is, I think major experiences, the best that they can be.

626
00:38:39,980 --> 00:38:43,660
So. Right. Yeah. No, I could tell the second we got

627
00:38:43,660 --> 00:38:46,900
on. Yeah, you are, you're. You're so positive. You're so fun. Like you can tell

628
00:38:46,900 --> 00:38:50,310
from, you know, just even your social media that you're just that way.

629
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:54,350
So I think that you. I've had people ask or I have friends

630
00:38:54,350 --> 00:38:57,750
that, you know, their friends follow me and they're like, is she like that in

631
00:38:57,750 --> 00:39:01,430
real life? They're like, yes, I'm the same.

632
00:39:01,510 --> 00:39:05,190
Like, well, I know like some people think, and I'm sure some people are

633
00:39:05,190 --> 00:39:08,990
fake or act different online than they are in person. Yeah. So people are

634
00:39:08,990 --> 00:39:10,790
always curious. It's like, are you really like that?

635
00:39:13,110 --> 00:39:16,840
It's me, it's me, I swear. No, you're. Yeah, you can just tell.

636
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,320
You're like super positive and I know that, like wherever you know

637
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,800
this, like Wild Life takes you. You're going to. You're going to do great with

638
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,440
it. So. Yeah, maybe we'll get another. Maybe.

639
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,440
Maybe. You never know. I'm very,

640
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,960
like, down because I'm just like, yeah, I love the adventure.

641
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,720
Yes. I know the big controversy for you too has been

642
00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:42,360
like, are you changing your name with your Instagram handle and

643
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,590
like that. I don't know know, like, where you're at with that. But

644
00:39:46,870 --> 00:39:50,670
I, I already have like two other handles. Like, I

645
00:39:50,670 --> 00:39:54,310
already got the names just in case I want to them. Okay. So it's just

646
00:39:54,310 --> 00:39:57,830
like my. Nobody even knows my name, though. That's the problem. It's like,

647
00:39:57,910 --> 00:40:01,470
I kind of want to just like, do Trisha Dot Sopinan,

648
00:40:01,470 --> 00:40:05,190
because then I can live wherever. I don't know. And people are like, don't change

649
00:40:05,190 --> 00:40:08,990
your name. But I can't be. I

650
00:40:08,990 --> 00:40:12,680
can't be Mama Dessert forever, because. Yeah, right.

651
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,400
But I didn't think that through when I first moved in that I would, you

652
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,760
know, eventually maybe have to change it, so. No, it'll be, It'll be good. No,

653
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,680
I think you should change it to your name because like you said, you can

654
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:26,000
take your brand with you wherever you go. So. And it's, it's a great name.

655
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,720
So it is what it is. You know, you hope people follow you for

656
00:40:29,720 --> 00:40:33,480
you more than where you live. Right. I'm sure a lot of people

657
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:37,180
do, but if not, then I wish you well.

658
00:40:39,570 --> 00:40:43,210
So for those that are listening that do

659
00:40:43,210 --> 00:40:46,090
want to move to Paris, I feel like you're kind of an expert now that

660
00:40:46,090 --> 00:40:49,730
you've been there for five years. I mean, truly though, I mean, that's.

661
00:40:49,810 --> 00:40:53,289
It's a long time to like, live and survive in a city I think that

662
00:40:53,289 --> 00:40:56,090
can kind of like, if you don't watch out, can like swallow you up and

663
00:40:56,090 --> 00:40:59,650
eat you alive and all the things. So what are the top,

664
00:40:59,730 --> 00:41:02,770
like, three to five pieces of wisdom that you would tell people

665
00:41:03,540 --> 00:41:07,380
for, you know, moving there? Well, first thing that I did

666
00:41:07,380 --> 00:41:10,580
right away was, I talked about this earlier. Find

667
00:41:11,140 --> 00:41:14,820
Facebook groups are probably the best you need to find, like, wherever you're moving

668
00:41:14,820 --> 00:41:18,660
in whatever city, if it's Paris, whatever, like English speaking moms

669
00:41:18,899 --> 00:41:22,220
in Paris, like, there is a group of that. And so like, I. That was

670
00:41:22,220 --> 00:41:25,500
the first step because I need that they will give you support. You can ask

671
00:41:25,500 --> 00:41:29,180
them anything, all that they know, everything that you can, you know, need to

672
00:41:29,180 --> 00:41:32,480
know. And also, like, I think that it's important that you

673
00:41:32,720 --> 00:41:36,480
let go of how you did things in the US like, you need to,

674
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:40,320
like, immerse yourself in this new life. You know what I mean? It's

675
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:44,040
hard to explain. Like. Yes. No, it totally. Because the more that you're

676
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,800
like. Things are going to be different. Yeah. Yeah. The more that

677
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,440
you're like, well, this is how they do in the U.S. yeah. Live here. It's

678
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:55,280
a different culture. Just assimilate. Like, just let go.

679
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,850
Yes, yes. You need to let go and fully just immerse

680
00:41:58,850 --> 00:42:02,690
yourself. It may be hard, but, like, you need to. Yeah. You

681
00:42:02,690 --> 00:42:06,490
need to, like, make friends. Like, that's important. Like, at first, you're not going to

682
00:42:06,490 --> 00:42:10,250
make French friends. You're not. You're just not. Don't expect it. No. It takes years.

683
00:42:10,330 --> 00:42:14,090
It takes hard to crack that shell. So, yeah. So, like, first

684
00:42:14,090 --> 00:42:17,930
I'm like, I need to find, you know, Americans or whatever English speakers that

685
00:42:17,930 --> 00:42:21,770
I can, you know, have a friendship with, because that. That's your support. You're not.

686
00:42:21,770 --> 00:42:25,310
You don't have family. And also, you definitely need to learn

687
00:42:25,310 --> 00:42:28,590
French. Not, not fluent, but you need to know enough to

688
00:42:28,990 --> 00:42:32,750
it day to day. There's lots of things, like reading, you know, produce

689
00:42:32,750 --> 00:42:35,550
at the grocery store. Like, you're not going to know what any of this means.

690
00:42:36,190 --> 00:42:39,550
So that's, like, super important. I'm trying to think. What else?

691
00:42:39,870 --> 00:42:43,430
Oh, just like. But this is. Again with just immersing

692
00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:47,030
yourself in the culture, like, learning to. That slow

693
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:49,830
down. Things are not going to be as fast as you had them in the

694
00:42:49,830 --> 00:42:53,660
US like, everything's going to take longer. The checkout line is going to

695
00:42:53,660 --> 00:42:57,260
take longer because just. You know what I mean? Like, you go to,

696
00:42:57,340 --> 00:43:00,500
like, ask someone for something, they're like, okay. And like, they just, like, kind of

697
00:43:00,500 --> 00:43:04,220
take their time and they don't, like, rush things. They don't

698
00:43:04,220 --> 00:43:07,980
rush anything here. No. Come in with

699
00:43:07,980 --> 00:43:11,460
knowing those things and, like, you'll be okay. And I know

700
00:43:11,460 --> 00:43:15,300
administration things is really hard here, but we had, like,

701
00:43:15,300 --> 00:43:19,100
a company doing that, so I don't really have much advice on that

702
00:43:19,620 --> 00:43:23,420
because, you know, Disney hires a company here that does, like, you know,

703
00:43:23,420 --> 00:43:26,180
our Visa stuff and our phone. Yeah.

704
00:43:27,940 --> 00:43:31,740
Things that, like, that's so People that do that on their own. I'm like,

705
00:43:31,740 --> 00:43:34,820
wow, that is amazing. We were. We were like,

706
00:43:35,540 --> 00:43:39,180
we have an immigration lawyer who's helping, but a lot of it,

707
00:43:39,180 --> 00:43:42,820
we're, like, kind of doing all on our own. It is like, it's so hard.

708
00:43:43,700 --> 00:43:44,580
Yeah, it is. Like,

709
00:43:47,220 --> 00:43:51,030
it's possible now. It's for sure. I can have conversations, like,

710
00:43:51,030 --> 00:43:54,750
with teachers and people at the grocery store and all of that. But it's like,

711
00:43:54,750 --> 00:43:57,270
if we have to go to like the doctor for my son,

712
00:43:58,470 --> 00:44:02,030
it's a totally different set of vocabulary that I'm like, we're

713
00:44:02,030 --> 00:44:05,790
learning. We still don't know. So it's. Yeah, it's okay. I know,

714
00:44:05,790 --> 00:44:09,110
and I feel it's hard because it's like you're gonna seek out.

715
00:44:09,510 --> 00:44:12,070
And this is again, what I did in the beginning. Like, I need to find

716
00:44:12,070 --> 00:44:15,830
an English speaking doctor. And I, you know, because like, I'm not ready to

717
00:44:16,070 --> 00:44:19,720
write. I don't have that level of friendship. So, like, when you're first moving

718
00:44:19,720 --> 00:44:23,480
somewhere, there's so many things you don't think about that you have to figure out.

719
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:27,040
But that's why these groups really help you because you can be like, do you

720
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:30,880
have a babysitter that you recommend? Do you have a doctor? All these things

721
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,440
that you need to figure out. And that's how I, that's how I started getting

722
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:38,360
advice and reading through these forums to.

723
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:42,680
And so even to this day, I struggle with this stuff. To the this day

724
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,560
I'm like, oh, I have to go do this. I'm like, oh, I don't know

725
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,520
how to say that in French. You know, I'm just like, these things that you

726
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:52,280
don't think about that affect your day to day, you know, I. Love you saying

727
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,400
that because I think people feel like. And even me, myself, like, it's like I've

728
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,360
been here for two years. It's finally things are starting to like, click a lot

729
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,520
more. Yeah, but it's like, but then it's like, you know, you'll just have to

730
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,160
deal with something like right now. I mean, the fact that, like, it took us

731
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,520
two years to find a parking garage and speaking French to do it and like

732
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,500
all, you know, it's just like everything, Things, a thing. And so I just feel

733
00:45:10,500 --> 00:45:13,580
like. And I think it'll continue to be until you've been here like, long enough,

734
00:45:13,580 --> 00:45:17,380
and then there'll still probably be things that surprise you. But. But I love hearing

735
00:45:17,380 --> 00:45:20,860
that from you that, you know, and just people understand, like, it's okay.

736
00:45:21,180 --> 00:45:25,020
It's not perfect. Sometimes it's chaos, but it's okay.

737
00:45:25,340 --> 00:45:29,140
Yeah, it's hard, but it's. It's also the best experience I've ever had

738
00:45:29,140 --> 00:45:32,540
in my life and I would never change it for anything. And I'm.

739
00:45:32,780 --> 00:45:35,880
I think that's what I'll miss also. It's like the, just the

740
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,760
adventure of it, you know, it's like every day is a new adventure for

741
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:43,480
Me, even though Paris does feel like home to me, but it's still, like,

742
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:47,160
there's still new things that I'm discovering every single day. It's like I'm constantly

743
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,919
learning new French words or whatever about new things about French culture

744
00:45:50,919 --> 00:45:54,560
that I didn't know. And it's, like, always, like, you know, back in the US

745
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:58,040
it is easy. So it's comforting because I'm like, oh, everyone speaks

746
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,680
English. So easy. So easy. Like, I could just go ask her this,

747
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:05,470
and, like, I know how to say it, but I'm. Yeah, but that's easy, and

748
00:46:05,470 --> 00:46:09,150
that's comfortable. And this has obviously pushed me out of my comfort zone so

749
00:46:09,150 --> 00:46:12,910
much. But then it's changed me as a person, like, forever.

750
00:46:12,910 --> 00:46:16,550
You know, how I see the world. Like, everything has changed. So

751
00:46:16,550 --> 00:46:20,350
it's, like, worth it. Worth it. I think it is.

752
00:46:20,350 --> 00:46:24,110
I think anytime that you challenge yourself and you do something that's really hard,

753
00:46:24,110 --> 00:46:27,550
you push your boundaries. It's like, it's easy to stay in comfort, but I think

754
00:46:27,550 --> 00:46:30,980
sometimes that can turn into complacency. And so I just feel like when you're.

755
00:46:31,540 --> 00:46:35,260
Every day is an adventure. Every day you're stretching yourself from the moment you walk

756
00:46:35,260 --> 00:46:38,980
outside your door. And I think it. Yeah, it does. It just. It turns you.

757
00:46:38,980 --> 00:46:42,740
I think, for me, like, it's made me believe in myself,

758
00:46:42,900 --> 00:46:46,500
like, every time, because I studied abroad in Florence, too, and, like, all these

759
00:46:46,500 --> 00:46:50,100
experiences, it makes me, like, believe in myself and know, like, what I'm capable of.

760
00:46:50,100 --> 00:46:53,340
Because I'm like, yes. You know, even the other day, I mean, going back to

761
00:46:53,340 --> 00:46:56,590
this parking space, this parking garage is still crazy. Crazy to get in and out

762
00:46:56,590 --> 00:46:59,150
of. I'm telling you, because, you know. You know, it's like we have, like, a

763
00:46:59,150 --> 00:47:02,990
wider car. And I told myself, I, I. To give myself a pep talk, and

764
00:47:02,990 --> 00:47:06,790
I'm like, sophie, you've lived in. You've lived in France for

765
00:47:06,790 --> 00:47:10,430
two years. You've done so many hard things. You can get this

766
00:47:10,990 --> 00:47:13,310
car out of the parking space.

767
00:47:14,750 --> 00:47:18,430
Like, you can do this. Did you see my story the other night? Did you

768
00:47:18,430 --> 00:47:21,310
see my story? I don't know. Parking car in our parking garage

769
00:47:22,670 --> 00:47:26,410
posted about this because I drove. We

770
00:47:26,410 --> 00:47:29,410
drove to dinner. My husband drove, but then he. I didn't drink because I had,

771
00:47:29,410 --> 00:47:33,170
you know, a cold. And I drove back, but I was like, I drove the

772
00:47:33,170 --> 00:47:36,850
car into our garage, but I was. Yes, I did see that.

773
00:47:37,170 --> 00:47:40,890
Yeah, I

774
00:47:40,890 --> 00:47:44,610
know. I know. You're like, have the curve here back up.

775
00:47:45,970 --> 00:47:49,770
I'm like, I. It's so. Yeah, the small Spaces here. Driving

776
00:47:49,770 --> 00:47:53,520
here. Oh, my God. No. Yeah, it's so. Yeah, I'm going to. I

777
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:57,000
enjoy that in the US Too, because our big roads are huge. Parking

778
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,520
spaces. Parking spaces. Yeah. So

779
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:02,520
nice. I know.

780
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:09,680
Yeah, that's. That's like. Yeah, but it's like little things like that that you don't

781
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,920
realize are going to be. Anything's going to pop up. Like, this is going to

782
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,600
break. Like, I got to call somebody. Like, oh, God, how do I say that

783
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:19,320
in French? And I will admit that I definitely rely a

784
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:23,120
lot on. Because his French, he's been forced to. He's, like, fluent

785
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:26,520
in French now. He's. He's like, I understand everything. He's like, I understand

786
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:30,000
everything. But some words, like, you know, like, my

787
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,560
grammar's better in French, so sometimes I, like, correct him. But anyways,

788
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,680
he has. He's not afraid to just speak it and just, you

789
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:41,440
know. So I'll just be like, babe, just go talk to him. Call him.

790
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:45,000
And he's like, just go do it. I'm like, no, I'm just shy to, like,

791
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:48,450
mess up. I don't like messing up. And then I feel stupid. I'm like, you

792
00:48:48,450 --> 00:48:52,250
feel stupid a lot. I know. You're just like. You feel. It's just

793
00:48:52,250 --> 00:48:55,290
like a different feeling. You're, like, in fear. You have to, like, I can't explain.

794
00:48:55,290 --> 00:48:59,090
I'm like, oh. Yeah. You said try to get over yourself. It's hard. It's hard.

795
00:48:59,090 --> 00:49:02,850
Yeah. I'm like a perfectionist. And I. Yeah, I feel silly a lot. And

796
00:49:02,850 --> 00:49:06,450
it's just like, oh, well. Yeah. I'm like, so.

797
00:49:06,610 --> 00:49:09,330
I mean, you know how many times I've said desolate?

798
00:49:11,170 --> 00:49:14,830
Desolate. Because I feel like when I say start with that, they're like,

799
00:49:14,830 --> 00:49:18,310
oh, okay. Like, you know, she's trying. Yeah.

800
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:22,510
Yes. But then. Then I just. When they speak English, they

801
00:49:22,510 --> 00:49:26,350
just. They're like, whatever. I'm like, fine, we'll just speak English. This

802
00:49:26,350 --> 00:49:30,070
is the problem. This is the problem, because everyone here, where we live, speaks

803
00:49:30,070 --> 00:49:33,190
English. So it's like. Doesn't help me learn more French. You know what I mean?

804
00:49:33,670 --> 00:49:37,070
Yeah, but that's also, like. That's a real truth of living in Paris, too. So

805
00:49:37,070 --> 00:49:40,190
I love that you're. You know, I think everyone that thinks they're going to move

806
00:49:40,190 --> 00:49:43,830
there and put on a French beret and start speaking French, and it's just like.

807
00:49:45,670 --> 00:49:49,510
No. This is not the reality. So it's a hard language. The language is

808
00:49:49,510 --> 00:49:53,350
hard. Oh, it's so hard. Especially when you think about

809
00:49:53,350 --> 00:49:56,990
Spanish and It's phonetic. Yeah. And even I was in Italy last

810
00:49:56,990 --> 00:50:00,550
week, and it's like, it's so much easier. I love speaking

811
00:50:00,550 --> 00:50:04,190
it because it just is like, sing songy. And it's phonetic and it's.

812
00:50:04,190 --> 00:50:07,710
Yeah. And it's just everything. Everything just. It's like, just look at a word and

813
00:50:07,710 --> 00:50:11,250
take off half of it with the pronunciation. And That's French, you know,

814
00:50:11,330 --> 00:50:11,730
So.

815
00:50:15,010 --> 00:50:18,850
I know. It's like, you don't pronounce this word. You don't pronounce this or this

816
00:50:18,850 --> 00:50:21,490
leaves the letters on the end of this word, but you do pronounce it here.

817
00:50:21,490 --> 00:50:25,290
It's like. Yeah, so. But it's such a beautiful language. It is.

818
00:50:25,290 --> 00:50:28,530
It's gorgeous. I love French. French is like, I think my

819
00:50:28,770 --> 00:50:32,370
favorite language to hear. It's so beautiful. Love it. I know. So

820
00:50:33,730 --> 00:50:36,370
keep it up. I hope the kid. I hope my kids can keep it up,

821
00:50:36,370 --> 00:50:39,770
you know, like, what a. I know. What a. What a sad thing, though, for

822
00:50:39,770 --> 00:50:43,070
them to learn another language and then lose it. This is why I want to

823
00:50:43,630 --> 00:50:47,230
continue their French in the US because it's. Like, I'm telling you, they're going to

824
00:50:47,230 --> 00:50:50,030
get in that school and they're going to continue and it's going to be good.

825
00:50:50,190 --> 00:50:53,150
So fingers crossed for you. But I have a good feeling about it.

826
00:50:53,790 --> 00:50:57,470
Yeah, I hope so. So for you, you know,

827
00:50:57,630 --> 00:51:01,230
obviously we're talking about the move coming up, but, like, what is. What is

828
00:51:01,230 --> 00:51:04,990
next? What's happening in your life? What's going on? Tell me all the exciting

829
00:51:04,990 --> 00:51:08,680
things. Like after we moved? After move, or even this year.

830
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:12,760
This year. Well, we actually got to fit in one last, like,

831
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:16,160
so another city on our list. We're gonna go to Venice. Like, just us and

832
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:19,920
we're gonna come back. You have to go to Venice. Just the two of you.

833
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:23,440
It's the most romantic. Yeah. And it's gonna be in December, so it will be

834
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:27,200
cold. But I'm like, whoa. But it's been on the list. It was the

835
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:30,920
best time to go because people don't realize that the water starts to smell

836
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:34,570
when it gets hot. You don't wanna know what's in that water. Just don't.

837
00:51:34,720 --> 00:51:38,560
Yeah. Yeah. But it's. No, because I went in February. It was gorgeous.

838
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:41,960
It was cold, but, like, it was beautiful. It's a great time to go. And

839
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:45,640
it will be, like, big crowds probably. So I'm really excited about

840
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:49,240
that. I mean, otherwise, it's like, you know, my husband has another guy's trip. I

841
00:51:49,240 --> 00:51:53,000
have. I have a trip To Morocco next week or, sorry, this week. Oh, my

842
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:56,600
gosh. Yeah, that's right. Where you go. Where are you going in Morocco? To

843
00:51:56,600 --> 00:52:00,080
Marrakech. Oh, have you been before? No.

844
00:52:00,650 --> 00:52:02,890
Oh, I'm gonna send you. I'm gonna email you a list. It's like one of

845
00:52:02,890 --> 00:52:06,650
my favorite places. You probably already have an itinerary, but just, you know, a couple

846
00:52:06,650 --> 00:52:10,330
extra places. To shop or shopping.

847
00:52:10,410 --> 00:52:14,250
Yeah, I'll send you. I'll send you all the things. So, like, amazing. I was

848
00:52:14,250 --> 00:52:17,410
thinking, like, what do I bring back from Morocco? Because there's probably certain things, like,

849
00:52:17,410 --> 00:52:19,890
I should buy there. You know what I mean? To bring back, But I don't

850
00:52:19,890 --> 00:52:23,570
know. Yes. Yes. So, yeah, you should tell

851
00:52:23,570 --> 00:52:27,410
me. Tell me when I need to purchase. Yeah. Well, if you. If

852
00:52:27,410 --> 00:52:30,930
you can. If you can do a rug. If you like a

853
00:52:30,930 --> 00:52:34,090
rug. They. They have the shipping down to a science.

854
00:52:34,490 --> 00:52:38,330
Oh, they will get it to you, probably, because it's only Morocco to

855
00:52:38,330 --> 00:52:42,010
France. They'll probably get it to you. Yeah, I'm not like. Because they, they would.

856
00:52:42,170 --> 00:52:45,770
They would ship things from. To the US in three days for me.

857
00:52:45,850 --> 00:52:48,570
They just know what they're doing. Yeah. Because, like, big rugs. He's like, you don't

858
00:52:48,570 --> 00:52:52,060
want to take those with you. That's such a pain. So. No, they had. It's.

859
00:52:52,060 --> 00:52:55,620
It's great. So, yeah, like, rugs, pottery.

860
00:52:55,940 --> 00:52:59,620
Like, the shopping. The shopping is so good. It's so good.

861
00:53:00,580 --> 00:53:04,420
Yeah, the shopping. Yeah. So we. We kind of just have, like, open days. We

862
00:53:04,420 --> 00:53:08,020
have one day that's like four hours at home. Like, the massage,

863
00:53:08,020 --> 00:53:10,820
like, the whole works. Yeah. So that's like my.

864
00:53:12,500 --> 00:53:16,340
Yes. And you know what? As a mom of two. Yeah. The

865
00:53:16,340 --> 00:53:20,060
food. Do. Oh, do. Do the mint tea every chance you get. Because

866
00:53:20,060 --> 00:53:23,910
it's a whole experience. Experience. It's like, I don't normally drink sweet tea, but

867
00:53:23,910 --> 00:53:27,630
it tastes amazing, and you have to do it. Yeah. I don't usually either,

868
00:53:27,630 --> 00:53:30,910
but I will. But I will. Yeah. It'll be part of the experience. It'll be

869
00:53:30,910 --> 00:53:34,750
great. Can't wait. Oh, I'm so excited. Yeah. We've got a couple trips,

870
00:53:34,750 --> 00:53:38,590
and then otherwise we're still here for Christmas. My parents

871
00:53:38,590 --> 00:53:42,190
are coming, which is cool, because they've never come for Christmas. Yeah. To have one

872
00:53:42,190 --> 00:53:44,310
last Christmas. Our last Christmas.

873
00:53:46,390 --> 00:53:49,910
I know. Because they do it so well here. Yeah. And then

874
00:53:51,190 --> 00:53:54,390
the company. What they do is like. Like, they have people compact our stuff, and

875
00:53:54,390 --> 00:53:58,150
then we have a container, and then they ship it, and I think it's

876
00:53:58,150 --> 00:54:01,430
like a couple months or so. So like, whatever we bring to South. Africa

877
00:54:01,830 --> 00:54:05,510
is what, you know. Yeah. With my parents, maybe I'll send them, like, an

878
00:54:05,510 --> 00:54:08,870
extra bag. But, like, that's our clothes when we get to the US until our

879
00:54:09,110 --> 00:54:12,670
container comes. So. And then, and then we've got the issue with, like, now we

880
00:54:12,670 --> 00:54:16,470
have tenants that are. We're renting our house. We won't be able to go into

881
00:54:16,470 --> 00:54:18,870
our house. Oh, yeah.

882
00:54:20,630 --> 00:54:23,190
Yeah. So right now we have to find a place to live in the U.S.

883
00:54:28,790 --> 00:54:32,310
Like, apartment or something. For, like, short terms, whatever. Yeah,

884
00:54:32,390 --> 00:54:36,070
you'll figure it out. It'll be, It'll be good. But lots of. I'm excited to

885
00:54:36,070 --> 00:54:39,870
see kind of the rest of your year and also just, like, how you are

886
00:54:39,870 --> 00:54:43,520
transitioning back into the US and just all the things. Things. Because I think it's,

887
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,240
you know, I think it's. I always tell people, too, I say, if you move

888
00:54:46,240 --> 00:54:49,720
somewhere and either it's for work and, you know, it's finite, like, for you, or

889
00:54:49,720 --> 00:54:52,200
you just want to move somewhere for a little bit, move back. Like, I think

890
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:55,440
that's great. And it's kind of, I think, good for you to also, I think,

891
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:59,200
shine a light on just reverse culture shock and getting back into

892
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:02,960
the system in the US, that'll be really interesting to, to follow. So.

893
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:06,720
I know I, I, I've done some reverse culture shock videos, like, when I visited.

894
00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:09,150
And it's funny because of course you get hate on the. I can hate on

895
00:55:09,150 --> 00:55:12,750
it, of course, but it cracks me up because people will be like,

896
00:55:12,750 --> 00:55:15,710
oh, you act like, wait, you used to live in the U.S. like, who cares?

897
00:55:15,710 --> 00:55:19,390
I'm like, but you don't understand. It is a reverse cult. It's like,

898
00:55:19,390 --> 00:55:22,910
I've been used to this way, and now it's just like, opening my eyes. Like,

899
00:55:22,910 --> 00:55:26,670
things I didn't notice, things that were, like, used, like, normal in the

900
00:55:26,670 --> 00:55:30,030
U.S. like, you don't realize until you go back and you're like, oh, wow, that's,

901
00:55:30,030 --> 00:55:33,870
like, totally different than how you know. And it's just, like, fun pointing out the

902
00:55:33,870 --> 00:55:36,820
differences. Like, people get mad over everything, though. So

903
00:55:38,100 --> 00:55:39,860
they just need to chill and

904
00:55:42,100 --> 00:55:45,900
find something else to do with their lives. But, yeah, just. You keep doing

905
00:55:45,900 --> 00:55:49,580
what you're doing. Yeah, I'm gonna do me. It's like, you do

906
00:55:49,580 --> 00:55:53,100
you. That's right. That's right. So I know that

907
00:55:53,100 --> 00:55:56,660
you're definitely gonna get some new fans and followers from this

908
00:55:56,660 --> 00:56:00,310
podcast. So I want you to kind of tell everyone where you follow your. You

909
00:56:00,310 --> 00:56:04,070
and find you and all the things I want you to. Yeah, well, I

910
00:56:04,070 --> 00:56:07,870
mean, Instagram, Mama does Europe and

911
00:56:07,870 --> 00:56:11,670
TikTok is the same, so I really. Yeah, I'm not

912
00:56:11,670 --> 00:56:14,670
as. You know, I haven't really kept up with my TikTok as much, but Instagram

913
00:56:14,670 --> 00:56:18,470
is like my main. It's your baby. Yeah. Yeah. That's like, where I

914
00:56:18,470 --> 00:56:22,270
started. It's like, I feel like TikTok sometimes is, like, so much younger, though,

915
00:56:22,270 --> 00:56:25,950
and it's like, wow, I feel old, you know? I know, I know.

916
00:56:26,110 --> 00:56:29,910
Like, pretty young. But, yeah, I. I thought

917
00:56:29,910 --> 00:56:33,150
of doing YouTube, but I'm not. I mean, I'm on there. The same name mama

918
00:56:33,150 --> 00:56:36,790
deserve, but I haven't again, kept up with it because that's like a whole nother.

919
00:56:36,870 --> 00:56:40,710
It's a whole other world, you know? Yes.

920
00:56:42,070 --> 00:56:45,750
So I'm like. I don't know that it's, you know, it's just a lot. It's

921
00:56:45,750 --> 00:56:49,590
to always think of these ideas already and then to also have to film video.

922
00:56:50,390 --> 00:56:54,070
So, yeah, maybe. Maybe in Florida. Like, I'm kind of.

923
00:56:54,470 --> 00:56:58,140
Yeah, you'll see. You'll see. But for sure, everyone, like, who's

924
00:56:58,140 --> 00:57:01,740
listening? You need to go follow her. She is such a bright light.

925
00:57:01,740 --> 00:57:05,540
She's so funny. I love the dynamic with her and her husband and her kids

926
00:57:06,020 --> 00:57:09,140
and I. And I just love the real take on Paris. I think it's. I

927
00:57:09,140 --> 00:57:12,780
think it's perfect and it's great. It's like kind of lifting the veil on what

928
00:57:12,780 --> 00:57:16,580
life is really like. So, yeah, I definitely love it and I

929
00:57:16,580 --> 00:57:20,420
will romanticize it, but I'll also show the hard truths,

930
00:57:20,660 --> 00:57:24,460
the hard realities, the harsh realities. Sorry. Yeah, it has both, for

931
00:57:24,460 --> 00:57:28,060
sure. You have been amazing. I've, like,

932
00:57:28,060 --> 00:57:31,890
laughed so much, which I. I had no doubt that I would with

933
00:57:31,890 --> 00:57:35,290
you. Yes. This was fun. This was fun.

934
00:57:36,730 --> 00:57:40,410
Great, great talk. Great talk. And just learn more about your story and just. Yeah,

935
00:57:40,410 --> 00:57:43,250
and just give us. Give us the real about. About life, because it's. It is

936
00:57:43,250 --> 00:57:46,570
different. I. I tell people all the time, like, about life, but it's the south

937
00:57:46,570 --> 00:57:50,090
of France. It's very different from Paris, so So different.

938
00:57:50,170 --> 00:57:52,970
I love the south of France, though. It's amazing. Yeah.

939
00:57:54,460 --> 00:57:57,380
If you think it's slower in Paris, just come here for like a month and

940
00:57:57,380 --> 00:58:01,180
you'll really. You'll really see. So it's. Yeah, it's wild, but. And you

941
00:58:01,180 --> 00:58:05,020
get the good weather. Okay. We do get the good weather. We do. It's a

942
00:58:05,020 --> 00:58:08,620
beautiful, sunny day today, I have to say, but. Yeah, it is sunny here too,

943
00:58:08,620 --> 00:58:12,300
actually. Good, good. I want you to go enjoy your

944
00:58:12,300 --> 00:58:15,900
sunny day in Paris. Thank you so much for your time. Yeah.

945
00:58:16,140 --> 00:58:19,980
Yes. Thank you for having me. Thank

946
00:58:19,980 --> 00:58:23,650
you so much. Listening to today's episode. Don't forget to

947
00:58:23,650 --> 00:58:27,330
subscribe, rate us and. Leave a review if you love what you hear.

948
00:58:27,650 --> 00:58:30,770
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949
00:58:30,770 --> 00:58:34,210
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