1 00:00:00,030 --> 00:00:02,790 America pulls their troops out of Afghanistan. 2 00:00:02,820 --> 00:00:07,980 After 20 years of armed conflict with the Taliban and many people 3 00:00:07,980 --> 00:00:13,530 are applauding the end to American interventionism in Afghanistan and 4 00:00:13,530 --> 00:00:18,930 the end to what has seemed to be a pointless war with no clear objective, 5 00:00:18,930 --> 00:00:23,010 no clear goal line and no, and insight. 6 00:00:23,805 --> 00:00:24,765 Is everyone happy? 7 00:00:24,765 --> 00:00:27,465 What about the Afghanis on the ground? 8 00:00:27,465 --> 00:00:30,825 Who, whose lives are now in danger? 9 00:00:30,855 --> 00:00:35,894 Are they happy also on today's episode, do gender pronouns got you down? 10 00:00:35,894 --> 00:00:41,025 Did they leave you feeling confused and anxious, worried about whether you should 11 00:00:41,025 --> 00:00:44,175 call an individual key she's eight or Zim? 12 00:00:44,504 --> 00:00:45,495 Well, don't worry. 13 00:00:45,575 --> 00:00:48,305 The infinite wisdom of Tik TOK is here to help. 14 00:00:49,445 --> 00:00:53,165 Hey, it's Lucas Skrobot and you're listening to the Lucas Skrobot show 15 00:00:53,165 --> 00:00:57,695 where we uncover purpose, pursued truth and own the future episode 16 00:00:57,995 --> 00:01:06,634 248, July, July, August 11th, 2021. 17 00:01:07,500 --> 00:01:12,690 And yes, indeed America is ending what will turn out to be a 20 18 00:01:12,750 --> 00:01:15,179 year engagement in Afghanistan? 19 00:01:15,450 --> 00:01:17,130 Uh, they will have all of their troops out. 20 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:24,050 President binds Biden says by August 31st, which is nearly 20 years to 21 00:01:24,050 --> 00:01:32,150 the day of September 11th, 2001 which kicked off this, this 20 year war in 22 00:01:32,150 --> 00:01:33,860 Afghanistan and tens of thousands. 23 00:01:34,980 --> 00:01:40,620 Over a hundred thousands thousand lives lost in Afghanistan. 24 00:01:40,860 --> 00:01:45,240 And many people think that this was just a bad deal from the get go. 25 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:49,110 Many people think that it's just interventionism America should have 26 00:01:49,110 --> 00:01:55,020 stayed out that it was a costless war that lost thousands of human lives, 27 00:01:55,020 --> 00:02:01,290 not just the 3000 plus American lives, but tens of thousands of Fontes and 28 00:02:01,290 --> 00:02:04,830 Pakistanis were lost in this conflict. 29 00:02:04,860 --> 00:02:08,699 Many things that it was a war without purpose, a war that was 30 00:02:08,730 --> 00:02:14,610 fueled by an opioid crisis, a war that fueled the opioid crisis award 31 00:02:14,610 --> 00:02:17,690 that was about drugs and money. 32 00:02:18,870 --> 00:02:25,710 And it's true that Afghanistan provides 90% of the world's opium, but only 1% 33 00:02:25,710 --> 00:02:27,810 of that actually ends up in America. 34 00:02:27,810 --> 00:02:33,480 Most of the opium that, uh, and heroin that hits the streets in America is 35 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:42,750 coming from Latin America, but it's still a huge economic boon for the Taliban 36 00:02:43,380 --> 00:02:48,450 that the use of opioids selling opioids, exporting them out of Afghanistan. 37 00:02:48,450 --> 00:02:51,060 So there's some great arguments there. 38 00:02:51,060 --> 00:02:55,950 Well, here, finally, America is pulling their troops out. 39 00:02:55,950 --> 00:03:00,390 Now this is not something that was initiated by president Joe Biden. 40 00:03:02,010 --> 00:03:03,660 So we can't throw all the blame on. 41 00:03:05,375 --> 00:03:11,135 But we, we S we see this was award that was started by president Bush award. 42 00:03:11,135 --> 00:03:16,175 That was escalated by president Obama award that, uh, president 43 00:03:16,175 --> 00:03:19,685 Trump said, we are going to begin to withdraw out of Afghanistan. 44 00:03:19,984 --> 00:03:22,085 And here is president Biden. 45 00:03:22,235 --> 00:03:29,165 Finally closing the chapter on this 20 year book of history here, here he is at 46 00:03:29,165 --> 00:03:36,035 a press conference, uh, on August 10th, addressing, uh, the nation about what his 47 00:03:36,035 --> 00:03:39,155 opinions are about the ending of this war. 48 00:03:39,985 --> 00:03:43,695 The last few days, multiple cities in Afghanistan have fallen to the Taliban. 49 00:03:43,875 --> 00:03:47,325 There's irrefutable evidence that a vast majority of those Afghan 50 00:03:47,325 --> 00:03:49,065 forces can not hold ground. 51 00:03:49,065 --> 00:03:51,735 There has your current plan to withdraw us. 52 00:03:51,735 --> 00:03:53,204 Troops changed at all. 53 00:03:55,905 --> 00:03:59,475 We spent over a trillion dollars over 20 years. 54 00:04:00,900 --> 00:04:03,450 We trained and equipped with modern equipment. 55 00:04:03,450 --> 00:04:13,260 Over 300,000 Afghan forces and Afghan leaders have to come together. 56 00:04:14,220 --> 00:04:18,240 We lost thousands, lost death and injury. 57 00:04:18,570 --> 00:04:20,399 Thousands of American personnel. 58 00:04:21,420 --> 00:04:25,740 They've got to fight for themselves, fight for their nation. 59 00:04:26,490 --> 00:04:28,800 The United States I'll insist. 60 00:04:28,830 --> 00:04:34,770 We continue to keep the commitments we made, providing close air support, 61 00:04:35,940 --> 00:04:41,370 making sure that there are air force functions and as operable Reese 62 00:04:41,430 --> 00:04:48,780 resupplying their forces with food and equipment and pain, all their salaries, 63 00:04:50,250 --> 00:04:52,140 but they've got to want to fight. 64 00:04:52,650 --> 00:04:56,760 They have outnumber the Taliban and I'm getting daily brief. 65 00:04:58,020 --> 00:04:59,910 I think there's still a possibility. 66 00:04:59,910 --> 00:05:06,120 You have a significant new secretary of defense, our equivalent of secretary of 67 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,840 defense in Afghanistan, Bush Mala Khan. 68 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:11,790 Who's a serious fighter. 69 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,240 I think they're beginning to realize they've got to come together 70 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:19,710 politically at the top and we're going to continue to keep our commitment, 71 00:05:19,740 --> 00:05:21,300 but I do not regret my decision. 72 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:23,480 Well, that's pretty clear. 73 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:30,350 I, I don't disagree with president Biden here, that the people they have, 74 00:05:30,350 --> 00:05:35,780 Gany people they need to come together and decide to fight for their nation. 75 00:05:36,230 --> 00:05:38,180 There's some things that are problematic in the beginning. 76 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:43,220 The question was, it's very clear that city after city Capitol city, I think 77 00:05:43,220 --> 00:05:48,860 six different capital cities of the different states in Afghanistan has 78 00:05:48,860 --> 00:05:53,690 fallen to the Taliban over the last week or two, six different capitals. 79 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,420 And many of these regions. 80 00:05:57,930 --> 00:06:04,410 Have, and provinces have enormous amount of opium and poppies, which is going 81 00:06:04,410 --> 00:06:08,120 to as a financial fuel to the Taliban. 82 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:14,900 The Taliban has taken over border entries, uh, across Iran, the 83 00:06:14,900 --> 00:06:18,500 entries in and out in Iran and up into the north, even in Pakistan. 84 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:27,950 So the military advancement of the Taliban in just a few short days since 85 00:06:27,950 --> 00:06:30,260 this announcement is quite staggering. 86 00:06:30,500 --> 00:06:34,640 So the fact that the America, that, that president Joe Biden is saying, well, 87 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:39,350 we've, we've trained 300,000 troops and we're going to, can you just supply 88 00:06:39,350 --> 00:06:41,330 them with equipment at salary and food? 89 00:06:41,630 --> 00:06:42,440 That's good. 90 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:47,300 But at the same time we are or seen, uh, an increase in conflict 91 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:51,650 and that the Taliban is moving in. 92 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:52,310 Do. 93 00:06:53,715 --> 00:06:57,794 Uh, to take that vacuum that is being left to fill that vacuum to speak that 94 00:06:57,794 --> 00:07:00,075 is being left by the U S government. 95 00:07:01,875 --> 00:07:07,245 Now over the last number of days, India has decided to evacuate diplomats 96 00:07:07,245 --> 00:07:12,284 and their citizens from Mazar as Shareef consulate in Afghanistan, 97 00:07:12,645 --> 00:07:13,815 because it's just not safe. 98 00:07:14,085 --> 00:07:20,054 America has said that to the U S embassy in Kabul, Afghanistan, they're urging 99 00:07:20,114 --> 00:07:24,195 all Americans to leave the country, admit an increased and fighting. 100 00:07:24,585 --> 00:07:28,544 And those who are Americans should not rely on us government 101 00:07:28,544 --> 00:07:29,955 flights to exit the country. 102 00:07:29,955 --> 00:07:33,164 They're saying, just get a plane on a plane and leave. 103 00:07:33,645 --> 00:07:40,094 Uh, the Taliban have captured journalists have taken, uh, radio 104 00:07:40,094 --> 00:07:45,255 managers who were supporting the U S forces in supporting the Afghani 105 00:07:45,945 --> 00:07:48,705 government and has executed him. 106 00:07:49,455 --> 00:07:50,145 So there is. 107 00:07:51,495 --> 00:07:57,885 In the last week or two, there have been serious, serious loss of life and 108 00:07:57,885 --> 00:08:02,655 risk to people who are on the ground who have supported the U S forces. 109 00:08:02,655 --> 00:08:08,745 Well, here is a clip from ABC with former ambassador Ryan crocker talking about 110 00:08:08,745 --> 00:08:15,195 the pro longed war and what we might see in the coming days in Afghanistan. 111 00:08:15,735 --> 00:08:19,205 Hey, the prolonged civil war is a more likely outcome, frankly, 112 00:08:19,205 --> 00:08:23,105 George than a swift Taliban takeover of the entire country. 113 00:08:23,105 --> 00:08:25,235 They're being very smart about this. 114 00:08:25,235 --> 00:08:30,215 They are, uh, not Jean major strikes into Cabo. 115 00:08:31,295 --> 00:08:38,405 They are doing what they're parked to create a climate of fear and panic, and 116 00:08:38,405 --> 00:08:42,635 they are succeeding wonderfully at this creating a climate of fear and panic. 117 00:08:42,635 --> 00:08:43,325 Jonisha worry. 118 00:08:43,355 --> 00:08:46,265 What does that mean for those left behind, particularly those 119 00:08:46,265 --> 00:08:49,655 interpreters translators, others who helped America during this. 120 00:08:51,300 --> 00:08:55,950 And this next, this next segment of the clip is an interpreter for the United 121 00:08:55,950 --> 00:08:59,760 States who has been working with United States for I believe eight plus years. 122 00:09:02,060 --> 00:09:02,510 All right. 123 00:09:02,570 --> 00:09:05,390 Um, as we said before, it's all too late. 124 00:09:05,450 --> 00:09:09,380 Uh, if we do not evacuate all those interpreters who are left behind 125 00:09:09,860 --> 00:09:14,090 and the Taliban will kill everybody and they will torture them in front 126 00:09:14,090 --> 00:09:15,680 of their family and kill them. 127 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:20,360 Um, I just heard a couple of news that when the Taliban, the controlled 128 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:25,130 couple of cities there were going and knocking door by door and asking for 129 00:09:25,130 --> 00:09:30,350 those people who were supporting the us mission in Afghanistan, and it was. 130 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:32,490 Trying to kill them. 131 00:09:33,180 --> 00:09:35,850 And, uh, yeah, it's already too late. 132 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:41,550 We have to do and evacuate those people before it's too late. 133 00:09:42,060 --> 00:09:48,020 And, uh, as I said before, the Taliban or now like mash powerful and, and 134 00:09:48,270 --> 00:09:52,710 controlling a lot of cities and these people are not safe anymore. 135 00:09:52,770 --> 00:09:54,620 And Afghanistan, it's true. 136 00:09:54,650 --> 00:09:56,450 These people are not safe anymore. 137 00:09:56,450 --> 00:09:56,960 In Afghanistan. 138 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:00,110 They're going door to door, knocking on doors, saying, Hey, 139 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:05,720 do you, who do you know that has supported the U S mission and the 140 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:07,640 Afghan mission against the Taliban? 141 00:10:07,910 --> 00:10:10,730 Send them out there. 142 00:10:10,740 --> 00:10:12,290 There, their time has come. 143 00:10:13,580 --> 00:10:16,360 Their time has come the level. 144 00:10:17,755 --> 00:10:23,365 Benevolence and cruelty and repercussions that will come against 145 00:10:23,665 --> 00:10:29,545 people who do not fall in line with the Taliban's agenda or who have 146 00:10:29,575 --> 00:10:31,405 actively fought against the Taliban. 147 00:10:31,675 --> 00:10:36,415 It will be merciless as we are seen by evidence of what we're already 148 00:10:36,415 --> 00:10:40,765 seeing in the, in the short days, the short number of days, since 149 00:10:40,765 --> 00:10:43,465 America has said that they will leave. 150 00:10:43,465 --> 00:10:48,535 Well, I have some Afghani friends here in the region who some of them have 151 00:10:48,655 --> 00:10:54,145 fled Afghanistan because their lives were threatened because their bombs 152 00:10:54,145 --> 00:10:59,185 were going off next to their houses or their kids have PTSD from attacks. 153 00:10:59,185 --> 00:11:01,645 They, they lost friends to the tolerance. 154 00:11:02,834 --> 00:11:06,464 And so I reached out to them and I said, Hey, what, what do you 155 00:11:06,464 --> 00:11:09,645 think about what's happening with the American troops pulling out? 156 00:11:09,704 --> 00:11:11,375 What is your or opinion? 157 00:11:11,375 --> 00:11:14,104 Because I could sit here and pontificate a my opinion. 158 00:11:14,104 --> 00:11:19,505 We can look at experts across the globe and then history find out their opinion. 159 00:11:20,224 --> 00:11:22,114 But what about the people who are on the ground? 160 00:11:22,114 --> 00:11:28,084 Well, he said that for Afghanis, that flights are really borrowed 161 00:11:28,084 --> 00:11:31,204 and closed, at least as some places, including the UAE right now. 162 00:11:31,444 --> 00:11:34,415 So people are feeling stuck in the country. 163 00:11:34,415 --> 00:11:36,244 People whose lives are in danger. 164 00:11:36,244 --> 00:11:42,214 He said for, for minority populations, like Christians, that the U S troops 165 00:11:42,244 --> 00:11:44,854 moving out will mean death for them. 166 00:11:45,395 --> 00:11:46,444 The Taliban will find them. 167 00:11:47,145 --> 00:11:52,245 They will hunt them down and they will face the penalty of death. 168 00:11:52,785 --> 00:11:55,905 I asked him whether he thinks that this, that it was a 169 00:11:55,905 --> 00:11:58,605 good idea in the first place. 170 00:11:58,605 --> 00:12:03,075 And whether it's a good idea, if, uh, American troops pull out for the Afghan 171 00:12:03,075 --> 00:12:06,645 people, he said, quote, I don't know. 172 00:12:07,155 --> 00:12:11,955 After 20 years, we are back in the beginning, billions of dollars, 173 00:12:11,955 --> 00:12:16,335 which is really $1 trillion just by the U S government. 174 00:12:16,475 --> 00:12:19,955 Well, not only NATO and, and other countries were involved in this. 175 00:12:19,955 --> 00:12:27,845 So over a trillion dollars spent hundreds of us lives wasted over 3000 176 00:12:27,845 --> 00:12:33,845 us lives lost in this war and thousands, tens of thousands of Afghani lives, 177 00:12:33,875 --> 00:12:36,305 tens of thousands of Pakistani lives. 178 00:12:37,655 --> 00:12:43,085 I asked him then, do you think that the us should have gone in, in the first place? 179 00:12:43,085 --> 00:12:46,265 He said, I don't know our government is, is correct. 180 00:12:47,550 --> 00:12:53,730 And this operation has been sabotaged by Iran, by Pakistan, by China and by Russia. 181 00:12:54,360 --> 00:13:00,990 So it is very hard to gauge on face value of whether it was a good idea 182 00:13:01,020 --> 00:13:05,580 for the U S to enter in the first place or not because they were facing 183 00:13:05,910 --> 00:13:11,400 not just the Taliban in Afghanistan, but they were backed by Pakistan. 184 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:17,220 And the Taliban really by some scholars have, has now been considered and is 185 00:13:17,220 --> 00:13:24,540 considered to be a proxy, a military faction of Afghanistan to do forward 186 00:13:24,870 --> 00:13:27,630 that Pakistani agenda in the region. 187 00:13:28,770 --> 00:13:34,110 So there were faced other political parties, such as Iran as well, 188 00:13:34,110 --> 00:13:40,380 supporting and, and deterring the U S activity, uh, enough Coniston 189 00:13:40,380 --> 00:13:41,610 for, for better, for worse. 190 00:13:41,610 --> 00:13:44,100 So it's hard to say of whether or not. 191 00:13:44,925 --> 00:13:47,325 The U S should have gone in or not in the first place. 192 00:13:47,325 --> 00:13:49,655 And this is from him, his perspective. 193 00:13:50,015 --> 00:13:56,345 And then the final question I asked him was, is Afghanistan better or worse 194 00:13:56,885 --> 00:13:59,525 with the U S entering after 20 years? 195 00:13:59,975 --> 00:14:01,355 Do you see this being better or worse? 196 00:14:01,685 --> 00:14:04,805 Obviously from his previous statement is, I don't know. 197 00:14:04,985 --> 00:14:07,145 We're now back to where we were 21 years ago. 198 00:14:07,145 --> 00:14:14,345 It's 20 years where it seems like all the gains have been instantly lost, but he 199 00:14:14,345 --> 00:14:21,365 did say U S has invested in education, women, humans, rights, media, freedom, 200 00:14:21,665 --> 00:14:26,405 infrastructure, and healthcare that America didn't just come in with bombs 201 00:14:26,405 --> 00:14:32,045 and tanks and airstrikes, which they did, which civilian's lives were lost in 202 00:14:32,045 --> 00:14:39,195 the war, but they also came in and they invested in education, invested in women. 203 00:14:39,225 --> 00:14:43,935 They invested in children, they invested in freedom of communication and democracy. 204 00:14:45,045 --> 00:14:50,715 And I know it's so weird that democracy gets this bad rap. 205 00:14:53,175 --> 00:14:55,965 And what's strange is it gets the bad rap by people who are 206 00:14:56,085 --> 00:14:58,065 normally Ultrapro democracy. 207 00:14:58,305 --> 00:15:00,765 They're like democracy is great, but it's not for everyone. 208 00:15:00,765 --> 00:15:07,545 And I do agree in an extent that a pure democracy isn't that great. 209 00:15:07,545 --> 00:15:11,835 Even in America, we have a Republic, uh, which is quite different. 210 00:15:12,855 --> 00:15:17,775 And I also agree that some nations just aren't ruled by a democracy and that 211 00:15:17,775 --> 00:15:25,185 doesn't make them wrong, but, but here in Afghanistan, they have at least seen. 212 00:15:25,515 --> 00:15:28,365 And when we look and we're going to look at the history of what led 213 00:15:28,365 --> 00:15:32,545 up Panasonic up to the point of a U S invasion in 2001 briefly. 214 00:15:33,795 --> 00:15:38,895 But we've seen that the, the, the us forces being in there actually 215 00:15:38,895 --> 00:15:44,235 created a space for a low level of freedom and Liberty that they had 216 00:15:44,235 --> 00:15:49,305 not experienced in at least decades, a decade, decade, two decades, plus. 217 00:15:50,805 --> 00:15:55,335 So there are S there are positives that came out of that invasion, 218 00:15:55,515 --> 00:15:58,395 but th that may have been lost. 219 00:15:58,395 --> 00:16:04,005 Now, obviously the U S can't stay indefinitely in Afghanistan 220 00:16:04,425 --> 00:16:07,545 and never intended to stay indefinitely in Afghanistan. 221 00:16:07,545 --> 00:16:12,045 As we mentioned already earlier, this engagement was started by Bush. 222 00:16:12,105 --> 00:16:14,445 It was increased by president Obama. 223 00:16:15,150 --> 00:16:18,570 President Trump was the one that say, Hey, we're going to end up pulling out 224 00:16:18,570 --> 00:16:23,780 where it's starting plans to withdraw our troops from Afghanistan and here Biden 225 00:16:23,780 --> 00:16:27,140 is now finally pulling out the troops. 226 00:16:27,439 --> 00:16:31,820 Now it seems to me that interventionism is a double edged sword. 227 00:16:31,820 --> 00:16:36,710 It is a damned if you do damned, if you don't, you can't win for losing. 228 00:16:37,100 --> 00:16:42,530 If you don't do something in a situation like this as being what 229 00:16:42,530 --> 00:16:45,920 a lot of people deem the, you know, the super power of the world. 230 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:50,060 And a lot of people say, well, you're the ones fighting for Liberty. 231 00:16:50,060 --> 00:16:51,319 This is your promise. 232 00:16:51,319 --> 00:16:56,360 You, you want to see justice, but you should intervene because you are the 233 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:58,490 one saying that you want to help people. 234 00:16:58,490 --> 00:17:02,360 And so if people are asking for help, you should help people who are suffering. 235 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:07,130 And if you don't, you're, you're evil for not helping, but if 236 00:17:07,130 --> 00:17:09,829 you do, or how about this? 237 00:17:09,890 --> 00:17:10,670 And if you don't. 238 00:17:12,285 --> 00:17:16,635 Your enemy can grow stronger and stronger and it can actually lead to more and 239 00:17:16,635 --> 00:17:19,635 more atrocities by not intervening early. 240 00:17:19,635 --> 00:17:23,435 It can often lead to worse atrocities and genocide and 241 00:17:23,444 --> 00:17:25,365 the loss of thousands of lives. 242 00:17:25,815 --> 00:17:30,885 It's not just an elusive, elusive, uh, consequences, the real consequences. 243 00:17:32,535 --> 00:17:35,955 But if you do help, you're then accused of interventionism. 244 00:17:35,955 --> 00:17:38,415 You're accused of not minding your own business. 245 00:17:38,415 --> 00:17:43,845 You're accused of meddling in other people's free society, which that's 246 00:17:43,845 --> 00:17:45,795 a valid argument in many cases. 247 00:17:46,815 --> 00:17:50,505 And when you finally do leave, you're then accused of either leaving too soon, 248 00:17:50,505 --> 00:17:53,865 not leaving soon enough, leaving the wrong way, leaving a power vacuum, which 249 00:17:53,865 --> 00:17:57,105 then leads to greater evils wickedness. 250 00:17:57,255 --> 00:18:01,725 As we saw in, uh, Iraq with the rise of ISIS. 251 00:18:03,195 --> 00:18:04,215 America pulled out. 252 00:18:04,514 --> 00:18:10,455 It left a power gap in ISIS, rose up now again with Iraq as well. 253 00:18:10,455 --> 00:18:14,565 There's the question of should America even a gone in, in the first place? 254 00:18:15,014 --> 00:18:21,795 Uh, when I talked to my, my sources who, who describe what was happening 255 00:18:22,035 --> 00:18:28,965 before America went into to pull out Saddam Hussein, they talk about Saddam 256 00:18:28,965 --> 00:18:30,485 Hussein saying that they'd met with them. 257 00:18:30,514 --> 00:18:34,935 The leaders were talking with him and many people were say that Saddam was changing. 258 00:18:35,264 --> 00:18:40,095 That him as a strong man was, was beginning to soften in his 259 00:18:40,095 --> 00:18:42,735 later years, whether that is a hundred percent true or not. 260 00:18:42,735 --> 00:18:45,465 I don't know, but this is what I've been told by people that I know 261 00:18:45,465 --> 00:18:49,605 and trust and their people were advising the administration don't 262 00:18:49,605 --> 00:18:52,365 go in, it will leave a power gap. 263 00:18:52,365 --> 00:18:53,655 And we don't know what will fill that. 264 00:18:53,655 --> 00:19:00,315 Well, now we do know what filled that power gap in Iraq, and it was ISIS. 265 00:19:03,070 --> 00:19:11,230 Think of that, the damage the trustees, the ISIS did after the us pulled out 266 00:19:11,260 --> 00:19:17,440 of Iraq, which then was a result of the pulling out the strong man, which was 267 00:19:17,740 --> 00:19:20,860 holding a power balance in the region. 268 00:19:20,860 --> 00:19:24,010 What will happen now in Afghanistan? 269 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:32,080 Well, here is, uh, corresponded with, uh, the DW news from out of Germany. 270 00:19:32,410 --> 00:19:37,360 Uh, Ali Latifi, uh, a journalist correspondent in Afghanistan. 271 00:19:38,260 --> 00:19:40,180 I think the people of line has done. 272 00:19:40,210 --> 00:19:40,900 They knew that. 273 00:19:41,639 --> 00:19:45,120 I mean, the writing was on the wall that this, you know, intro that this 274 00:19:45,120 --> 00:19:48,300 invasion, whatever you want to call, it was gonna end at some point. 275 00:19:48,689 --> 00:19:52,290 And ever since Trump, it was very obvious that it was going to happen fairly soon. 276 00:19:52,709 --> 00:19:56,189 But what frustrates the Avalon people is not necessarily, you know, 277 00:19:56,189 --> 00:19:59,189 they were saying, if you're going to go, go, just tell us when, but 278 00:19:59,189 --> 00:20:03,000 more than anything, don't leave without some kind of conditions. 279 00:20:03,120 --> 00:20:05,010 You know, there are no conditions on the Taliban. 280 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:06,419 There are no conditions on the government. 281 00:20:06,719 --> 00:20:11,489 There is no real, you know, impetus to, for either side to go and seriously 282 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:13,320 take on the peace talks and Doha. 283 00:20:13,350 --> 00:20:16,290 Right now, there is no impetus on the toilet bowl and for any kind of 284 00:20:16,290 --> 00:20:18,750 a ceasefire or reduction in violence. 285 00:20:18,750 --> 00:20:22,649 The fact that they just said we're leaving with no restrictions with 286 00:20:22,649 --> 00:20:27,330 no, um, with w w with no conditions. 287 00:20:27,389 --> 00:20:29,780 That's, what's upsetting, I've on people, more than anything, 288 00:20:30,229 --> 00:20:31,399 leaving with no conditions. 289 00:20:32,159 --> 00:20:33,210 That is a problem. 290 00:20:33,210 --> 00:20:41,340 And, and it seems as with a war like this it's and maybe, maybe, obviously I'm 291 00:20:41,340 --> 00:20:46,260 sure the us government and the General's involvement in the Afghan military and 292 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:49,199 government, I'm sure they had goalposts. 293 00:20:49,470 --> 00:20:50,419 They had KPIs. 294 00:20:50,419 --> 00:20:51,439 I'm sure they had landmarks. 295 00:20:51,439 --> 00:20:52,879 I'm sure they had strategy. 296 00:20:52,879 --> 00:20:53,120 I'm sure. 297 00:20:53,120 --> 00:20:53,210 Right. 298 00:20:53,210 --> 00:20:58,490 They had goals that they knew that they needed to meet in order and objectives. 299 00:20:58,490 --> 00:21:02,270 They wanted to fulfill in order for them to be able to pull out. 300 00:21:02,270 --> 00:21:04,879 So I don't have intimate knowledge of that. 301 00:21:05,389 --> 00:21:12,320 Um, I'm, I'm sure that people much smarter than I was working on this problem. 302 00:21:12,889 --> 00:21:19,070 Uh, but it doesn't seem that there were a lot of conditions or stipulations 303 00:21:19,370 --> 00:21:22,490 in this withdrawing from Afghanistan. 304 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:28,250 And it does seem that the Taliban is quickly gaining. 305 00:21:30,620 --> 00:21:34,960 This is what pres former president George W. 306 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:41,930 Bush had to say about, uh, the fact of the withdrawal from Afghanistan 307 00:21:41,940 --> 00:21:46,780 and in an interview with DW progress that could be made for young 308 00:21:46,780 --> 00:21:48,280 girls and women in Afghanistan. 309 00:21:48,310 --> 00:21:53,200 It's unbelievable how that society changed from the brutality of the Taliban. 310 00:21:53,530 --> 00:21:58,990 And now all of a sudden, you know, sadly, uh, I'm afraid I Afghan women and 311 00:21:58,990 --> 00:22:01,180 girls are gonna suffer unspeakable harm. 312 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:02,260 This is a mistake. 313 00:22:02,500 --> 00:22:03,130 So withdrawal. 314 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:04,330 I, you know, I think it is. 315 00:22:04,330 --> 00:22:06,490 Yeah, I think because I think the consequences are 316 00:22:06,490 --> 00:22:08,380 gonna be unbelievably bad. 317 00:22:09,310 --> 00:22:11,650 The consequences are going to be unbelievably bad. 318 00:22:11,650 --> 00:22:16,960 And whether we agree or disagree with former president bushes, 319 00:22:17,020 --> 00:22:19,949 uh, Activity in the region. 320 00:22:20,790 --> 00:22:25,379 Uh, and whether those will stand the test of time is being something that was 321 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:27,540 on the right or wrong side of history. 322 00:22:27,689 --> 00:22:33,030 That's not for us to, to look into today, but I do think he's correct in 323 00:22:33,030 --> 00:22:39,510 that the way that we have withdrawn the American military is withdrawn seems 324 00:22:39,510 --> 00:22:43,470 to, to leave this vacuum where the people who were suffering, our women, 325 00:22:43,710 --> 00:22:47,850 our children, our interpreters, who, who have helped, even though there's a 326 00:22:47,850 --> 00:22:53,010 way out for interpreters, but clearly there are going to be people who aided 327 00:22:53,429 --> 00:23:00,540 the, the us operation and aided the current Afghani, military and government 328 00:23:01,199 --> 00:23:07,980 that will, will suffer consequences under, uh, under the Taliban's rule. 329 00:23:08,010 --> 00:23:08,790 If they do. 330 00:23:10,125 --> 00:23:15,915 Whether swiftly or in a long drawn out war ended up winning what might 331 00:23:15,945 --> 00:23:18,525 turn into as a former ambassador. 332 00:23:18,525 --> 00:23:26,325 Ryan crocker told us earlier in this show, A long and drawn out civil war. 333 00:23:26,355 --> 00:23:29,925 Well, here is back to, uh, Ali. 334 00:23:29,925 --> 00:23:39,285 Latifi his thoughts on, uh, the operation in the first place and how damaging 335 00:23:39,315 --> 00:23:44,235 this 20 year war was and the real toll that took on the Afghani people. 336 00:23:45,155 --> 00:23:48,995 I think it's very interesting that he's suddenly, you know, concerned about women 337 00:23:48,995 --> 00:23:55,805 and children because you know, his war may by, he he's talking about president Bush. 338 00:23:55,985 --> 00:23:56,375 Oh, okay. 339 00:23:56,945 --> 00:24:00,865 His war made a lot of widows and made a lot of children orphaned. 340 00:24:00,865 --> 00:24:01,175 Do you know what? 341 00:24:01,175 --> 00:24:05,135 There was a lot of, you know, there, there was, there was one dish and 342 00:24:05,135 --> 00:24:08,375 there's been a ton of Mo there was imprisonments, there was night razors, 343 00:24:08,375 --> 00:24:09,755 drone strikes, there's airstrikes. 344 00:24:10,025 --> 00:24:12,485 There was all kinds of things that if he's concerned about civilians, 345 00:24:12,485 --> 00:24:15,115 he should have thought about during his own administration. 346 00:24:16,085 --> 00:24:16,745 This is true. 347 00:24:17,525 --> 00:24:19,055 He does have a point here that. 348 00:24:20,710 --> 00:24:26,310 The loss of life over this 20 years is staggering expecially. 349 00:24:26,310 --> 00:24:32,220 When it's, it's framed in the light that all of these gains could, could 350 00:24:32,310 --> 00:24:39,750 have just been lost in three weeks time that 20 years of work can and lives can 351 00:24:39,750 --> 00:24:47,520 disappear in eight, a months time here is a chart that was put together by BBC of 352 00:24:47,790 --> 00:24:52,800 the number of lives that have been lost, uh, in Afghanistan and Pakistan in the 353 00:24:52,800 --> 00:25:04,620 conflict since 2001 20 years, it shows the U S allies and troops killed 3,586 354 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:13,590 military and police killed in combined from Afghanistan and Pakistan, 75,971. 355 00:25:14,610 --> 00:25:22,530 The number of civilians killed in the last 20 years from this conflict, 78,314, 356 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:35,160 and the opposition fighters or the Taliban incorporated 84,191 that is over 357 00:25:35,580 --> 00:25:42,240 200,000 lives lost in the last 20 years. 358 00:25:43,050 --> 00:25:47,850 And if all of these lives are lost for nothing, and that really does seem 359 00:25:47,850 --> 00:25:53,430 like a waste, it really does seem like it was all for nothing, that this was 360 00:25:53,430 --> 00:25:58,740 just a big waste of lives, that this was a completely failed operation. 361 00:25:59,010 --> 00:26:06,000 And that the pulling out makes all of these lives for not the pulling out, makes 362 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:12,990 all of these people who suffer before and the suffering going on for nothing. 363 00:26:15,295 --> 00:26:20,245 Well, it's important to look quickly and we're going to scream over this really 364 00:26:20,245 --> 00:26:26,955 fast, uh, at the history of what led up to Afghanistan, being in this place. 365 00:26:27,195 --> 00:26:33,254 And we have to go back to really back to 1978 and even a little bit before to 366 00:26:33,254 --> 00:26:39,254 understand, and w the lead up to what has happened in Afghanistan that caused, 367 00:26:39,645 --> 00:26:42,735 uh, America to enter in the first place. 368 00:26:43,215 --> 00:26:49,785 Now, Afghanistan has been a, a, a nation of warring peoples and 369 00:26:49,785 --> 00:26:52,545 warring tribes for hundreds of years. 370 00:26:52,965 --> 00:26:58,935 And so I I've been talking to other people, some, some friends and colleagues. 371 00:27:01,125 --> 00:27:06,255 About how really it was somewhat a fool's errand for America to enter into 372 00:27:06,255 --> 00:27:11,655 Afghanistan because they are people who are willing to sit and wait for 373 00:27:11,655 --> 00:27:14,325 decades for the right moment to strike. 374 00:27:14,325 --> 00:27:19,305 There are people who, who make their bread and butter off of fighting and off of war. 375 00:27:19,305 --> 00:27:25,395 They are a, a strong, durable, mountainous people who, who pride 376 00:27:25,425 --> 00:27:28,665 themselves on courage and bravery. 377 00:27:29,055 --> 00:27:33,675 And so it's somewhat of a fool's errand for America to enter into 378 00:27:33,675 --> 00:27:35,325 Afghanistan in the first place. 379 00:27:35,655 --> 00:27:41,775 And we look back to 1978, where Russia tried the same thing and they 380 00:27:41,775 --> 00:27:46,095 failed for an entire decade, 11 years. 381 00:27:47,355 --> 00:27:47,985 Russia was. 382 00:27:48,870 --> 00:27:54,330 And, and the Soviet war in Afghanistan, which started in April of 1978 with the 383 00:27:54,330 --> 00:27:59,220 establishment of the people's democratic party of Afghanistan, where they overthrew 384 00:27:59,220 --> 00:28:04,590 the government in a bloody coup killed all of the family members of the, the sitting 385 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:13,770 president, um, Mohammed do OD killed his family and they took over, which was 386 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,280 come to be known as the SWOT revolution. 387 00:28:17,940 --> 00:28:24,270 And so once the PD PA or the people's democratic party, if Afghanistan 388 00:28:24,270 --> 00:28:26,190 came into power, what did they do? 389 00:28:26,190 --> 00:28:32,460 Will they begin to implement a liberal and Marxist Lenin agenda when Leninist agenda. 390 00:28:34,620 --> 00:28:36,120 In here is a mixed bag. 391 00:28:36,150 --> 00:28:41,790 First it moved to replace religious traditions and traditional laws with 392 00:28:41,790 --> 00:28:44,280 secular and Marxist-Leninist ones. 393 00:28:44,790 --> 00:28:50,879 Men were obliged to cut their hair and women could not wear a chador or a buy-up, 394 00:28:51,690 --> 00:28:54,210 uh, and MOS were placed off limits. 395 00:28:54,210 --> 00:29:01,980 So here we see, you know, the liberating socialism Marxist communist party come in. 396 00:29:01,980 --> 00:29:03,060 And what do they say? 397 00:29:03,090 --> 00:29:04,879 They forced just meant to cut their beards. 398 00:29:05,150 --> 00:29:07,879 I think something like that is happening right now with the leader. 399 00:29:07,879 --> 00:29:10,340 People they're being forced to cut their beards. 400 00:29:11,150 --> 00:29:13,970 They're not able to practice their religion. 401 00:29:13,970 --> 00:29:19,370 No freedom of religion and, and women were not allowed to cover their heads. 402 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:25,520 A full-on stamping out of their freedoms. 403 00:29:27,225 --> 00:29:32,835 The PD PA also made a number of reforms, which really seem to be positive 404 00:29:33,165 --> 00:29:34,845 when it comes to women's rights. 405 00:29:34,845 --> 00:29:40,455 And women's reforms such as banning forced marriages, um, giving state recognition 406 00:29:40,455 --> 00:29:48,135 to women's right to vote and, uh, and, and giving education and equality of 407 00:29:48,135 --> 00:29:52,215 education to women, job security, health services, and making sure that they had 408 00:29:52,514 --> 00:29:54,855 the ability to raise their families. 409 00:29:54,855 --> 00:29:55,215 Right. 410 00:29:55,965 --> 00:30:02,955 So there are positive things that the, the socialist Marxist worked to do 411 00:30:02,955 --> 00:30:06,014 in educating women during this time. 412 00:30:06,014 --> 00:30:15,495 But the also pushed state atheism and, and work to just full on outlaw Islam. 413 00:30:16,695 --> 00:30:17,565 Now, the USSR. 414 00:30:18,764 --> 00:30:23,024 Also sent in contractors to build roads, infrastructure, hospitals, 415 00:30:23,024 --> 00:30:24,645 and schools to drill well water. 416 00:30:24,645 --> 00:30:27,915 And they also trained and equipped the Ethicon military. 417 00:30:28,544 --> 00:30:30,225 This sounds familiar. 418 00:30:30,225 --> 00:30:33,735 This is what the United States also tried to do. 419 00:30:33,735 --> 00:30:38,504 The obviously United States did not, uh, closed down Moss, but they did, 420 00:30:39,254 --> 00:30:46,485 uh, work to bring in more education for children, girls women's rights and built 421 00:30:46,514 --> 00:30:49,485 infrastructure and train the military. 422 00:30:49,665 --> 00:30:56,445 Well, Russia was not successful in their operation now at the same time 423 00:30:57,854 --> 00:31:03,104 crusher and the PD, I guess I should say the PDPA, not necessarily Russia, 424 00:31:03,135 --> 00:31:08,445 but the PDPA, which was backed and funded by the Marxist Leninist USSR. 425 00:31:09,900 --> 00:31:14,220 Beat tortured, murdered thousands of members of traditional elite, 426 00:31:14,700 --> 00:31:18,180 religious religious establishment, and the intelligentsia. 427 00:31:18,630 --> 00:31:22,380 The government launched a campaign of violent repression killing 428 00:31:22,380 --> 00:31:28,950 some 10,000 to 27,000 people and imprisoning another 14 to 20,000 more. 429 00:31:30,270 --> 00:31:35,370 The repression plunged large parts of the country, especially rural areas into 430 00:31:35,490 --> 00:31:38,310 open revolts against the new Marxist. 431 00:31:38,310 --> 00:31:39,480 Lenin is government. 432 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:48,570 And by 1979, unrest had reached 24 out of the 28 Afghan provinces because 433 00:31:48,750 --> 00:31:54,450 everyone was uniting under Islam against these communist communist rule and, 434 00:31:54,540 --> 00:32:00,870 and the communist, uh, enforcement of ha having non-religion of people 435 00:32:00,870 --> 00:32:05,010 not being able to worship their God in the way that they wanted to. 436 00:32:06,420 --> 00:32:11,070 Well, other atrocities that happened in this time, some scholars believe that 437 00:32:11,070 --> 00:32:16,290 the Afghans were victims of genocide by the Soviet union Soviet forces in their 438 00:32:16,290 --> 00:32:26,040 proxies killed approximately 562,000, between 562,000 and 2 million African, 439 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:32,120 the Russian soldiers also we'll engage in abductions and rapes of Afghan women. 440 00:32:33,740 --> 00:32:39,710 Some statistics say about 6 million people fled off, gone as refugees to Pakistan 441 00:32:39,740 --> 00:32:44,060 and Iran where there are over 38,013. 442 00:32:44,090 --> 00:32:44,240 Yeah. 443 00:32:44,290 --> 00:32:48,860 Thousand made it to the United States in many more to the European union. 444 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,100 So it wasn't all sunshine. 445 00:32:53,129 --> 00:32:57,990 Under the USSR, they did push some reforms, but they also 446 00:32:58,170 --> 00:33:00,120 seem to have pushed a genocide. 447 00:33:00,810 --> 00:33:07,530 Now it was because of mounting pressure and resistance against the, the Marxist 448 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:11,370 Leninist communist party in Afghanistan. 449 00:33:11,399 --> 00:33:18,270 That that finally fell in 1989, which that led to a civil war that took place 450 00:33:18,270 --> 00:33:24,720 between 92 in 96 were where people were military parties were fighting 451 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:31,950 for power to really reconstitute and reestablish a unity among Afghanistan. 452 00:33:32,010 --> 00:33:37,710 Well, this resulted in the Taliban coming to party in 1996. 453 00:33:37,710 --> 00:33:40,290 Now Taliban means to students. 454 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:41,580 Taleb is students. 455 00:33:41,580 --> 00:33:42,540 Bond is two. 456 00:33:42,540 --> 00:33:48,930 So Taliban actually just means to students, uh, and it was from a, it sprung 457 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,240 out of a religious school in Pakistan. 458 00:33:52,395 --> 00:33:55,065 With Afghani refugees in Pakistan. 459 00:33:55,485 --> 00:34:01,425 Now, as I said earlier, some believed that really the patella bond became a proxy 460 00:34:01,425 --> 00:34:07,485 or an extension of the Pakistani army into Afghanistan as there was a lot of 461 00:34:07,785 --> 00:34:15,315 international interference in that time, uh, in Afghanistan, between 92 and 96. 462 00:34:15,315 --> 00:34:20,235 Well, it was finally, as I said, we're screaming through this, um, history 463 00:34:20,625 --> 00:34:26,205 because it really does lead to an idea of what was happening in the country 464 00:34:26,205 --> 00:34:29,114 before America stepped in, in 2001. 465 00:34:29,505 --> 00:34:34,215 And it gives us a clearer picture of, of a conflict that has continued to happen. 466 00:34:34,875 --> 00:34:40,845 Uh, Are there with continual civil war war for, for decades now? 467 00:34:41,115 --> 00:34:45,465 Well, it was in 96 that the Taliban with the military support of Pakistan and 468 00:34:45,465 --> 00:34:52,305 the financial support of, uh, Osama bin Laden prepared for another major offense 469 00:34:52,575 --> 00:34:58,545 against my sued, who was ruling and leading really the military leader over 470 00:34:58,545 --> 00:35:01,455 Afghanistan and over Kaboodle back in 96. 471 00:35:01,455 --> 00:35:08,595 Well, in September of 96, Massud he ordered the retreat from Kabul and 472 00:35:08,595 --> 00:35:15,375 the Taliban set up control in Kabul, the capital of Afghanistan in 1996. 473 00:35:15,375 --> 00:35:19,725 And they established the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan, which this is 474 00:35:19,725 --> 00:35:23,175 important for some of the clips that we're about to play, to understand 475 00:35:23,415 --> 00:35:26,655 what was happening back in 1996. 476 00:35:26,775 --> 00:35:30,015 Well, the imposed on parts of Afghanistan under their control. 477 00:35:31,035 --> 00:35:35,655 Their their political power and their interpretation of Islam. 478 00:35:36,035 --> 00:35:40,985 We issued edicts forbidding women from working outside the home, forbidding 479 00:35:41,075 --> 00:35:45,965 women and children to attend schools, uh, or leaving the home unless they 480 00:35:45,965 --> 00:35:49,025 were accompanied by a male relative. 481 00:35:49,865 --> 00:35:54,035 One of, uh, physicians for the human's rights said that no other reason, 482 00:35:54,065 --> 00:35:58,475 gene in the world has methodically and violently enforced half of its 483 00:35:58,475 --> 00:36:05,045 population into virtual house arrest by prohibiting them with the punishment 484 00:36:05,165 --> 00:36:07,985 of pain and physical violence. 485 00:36:08,945 --> 00:36:14,935 Now, there was one man, as I mentioned before, uh, SaaS sued, who was the, the 486 00:36:14,945 --> 00:36:20,975 ruling military leader who then retreated from Kabul that was with standing 487 00:36:20,975 --> 00:36:27,005 and fighting against the Taliban in Afghanistan for, for a number of years. 488 00:36:28,005 --> 00:36:32,835 Uh, the national geographic did a documentary on it called 489 00:36:32,835 --> 00:36:34,845 titled inside the Taliban. 490 00:36:34,845 --> 00:36:40,425 And they said that the only thing standing in the way of the Taliban mosque 491 00:36:40,485 --> 00:36:43,395 massacres that were happening was Massoud. 492 00:36:43,965 --> 00:36:45,915 So he was an influential leader. 493 00:36:46,095 --> 00:36:51,165 He was a political and military leader that was fighting for Afghani people who 494 00:36:51,165 --> 00:36:56,325 were being massacred at that time, by the Taliban fighting for women's rights, 495 00:36:56,355 --> 00:37:01,685 fighting for a young girl to have the right, to be educated women, to be able 496 00:37:01,685 --> 00:37:03,095 to work, to be able to leave the house. 497 00:37:03,755 --> 00:37:06,875 And he resisted and resisted. 498 00:37:06,875 --> 00:37:11,045 Now, the Taliban tried to bribe him and said, Hey, join our side. 499 00:37:11,885 --> 00:37:13,235 We'll make you prime minister. 500 00:37:13,445 --> 00:37:16,925 We'll give you everything you need and everything you want per Massud said, 501 00:37:16,925 --> 00:37:19,745 there's no way because your principles. 502 00:37:20,625 --> 00:37:23,625 Your values can completely contradict mine. 503 00:37:23,715 --> 00:37:26,685 I could never, I could never give myself to that. 504 00:37:27,435 --> 00:37:32,415 And, but, but he still believed that and he hoped that they could, he could 505 00:37:32,415 --> 00:37:38,265 establish principles of democracy and he wanted to convince the Taliban to 506 00:37:38,265 --> 00:37:42,735 join into a political process that could lead towards free elections 507 00:37:42,825 --> 00:37:45,825 and to democracy in the future. 508 00:37:46,575 --> 00:37:53,355 Well, what happened on September 9th, September 9th, 2001, two days 509 00:37:53,654 --> 00:37:58,424 before September 11th and the attack on the twin towers in America, 510 00:37:58,455 --> 00:38:04,154 two days before that Massoud was assassinated by two suicide bombers, 511 00:38:04,515 --> 00:38:07,395 suicide tackers inside of Afghanistan. 512 00:38:08,985 --> 00:38:13,725 So here we have the one force that is really holding back the toddler. 513 00:38:15,140 --> 00:38:18,800 Gets assassinated two days before September 11th and 514 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,060 then September 11th happens. 515 00:38:20,090 --> 00:38:22,340 Of course, as we all know. 516 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,810 And at that point, they, they recognize that that operation was 517 00:38:26,870 --> 00:38:32,420 led and taking responsibility for by Haida, Aida, which just means the 518 00:38:32,420 --> 00:38:37,490 base, the base was in Afghanistan under the Taliban's protection. 519 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:43,730 And so the United States thought that it was a good idea to enter and to 520 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:51,020 push back the Taliban to secure its position against the war on terror. 521 00:38:51,020 --> 00:38:58,580 And the rest is history as you know, the last 20 years of war in Afghanistan and, 522 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,610 uh, and even Iraq in the middle east. 523 00:39:02,030 --> 00:39:06,530 So that was a brief history, which shows us two things. 524 00:39:06,530 --> 00:39:06,760 One. 525 00:39:07,845 --> 00:39:12,495 Afghanistan has known decades of war decades of atrocity and 526 00:39:12,495 --> 00:39:15,525 genocide, uh, by multiple parties. 527 00:39:17,805 --> 00:39:21,555 And as I said, it seems to be a fool's errand for America to try to 528 00:39:21,555 --> 00:39:28,875 enter possibly second us engaging in Afghanistan did push the Taliban back 529 00:39:28,875 --> 00:39:30,975 for time, but did retake a lot of land. 530 00:39:31,305 --> 00:39:37,665 They did establish a level of freedom, but it leads to the question of 531 00:39:37,665 --> 00:39:42,435 what might we see and what might Afghanistan see in the coming futures? 532 00:39:42,435 --> 00:39:46,275 Well, here is a clip from the BBC. 533 00:39:46,275 --> 00:39:50,295 We actually have two clips from the BBC of them interviewing 534 00:39:50,445 --> 00:39:52,605 Taliban leaders in Afghanistan. 535 00:39:53,205 --> 00:39:57,725 At the moment, are you preparing for peace or are you preparing for more war 536 00:40:02,615 --> 00:40:03,065 peace? 537 00:40:03,095 --> 00:40:07,845 We are most . For the past hired fight, you've not been 538 00:40:07,845 --> 00:40:09,795 fighting against the Americans. 539 00:40:10,065 --> 00:40:12,855 You've been fighting against other off guns, other Muslims. 540 00:40:13,185 --> 00:40:20,075 Uh, the problem is with the government system, two new RG hot 541 00:40:20,075 --> 00:40:21,815 until they accept our demands. 542 00:40:22,085 --> 00:40:22,625 Nah. 543 00:40:22,895 --> 00:40:23,615 How about money? 544 00:40:24,205 --> 00:40:28,025 The thought about things see themselves as just a rebel group, but as a government 545 00:40:28,025 --> 00:40:31,984 in waiting and that's true, they don't see themselves as a rebel group. 546 00:40:32,525 --> 00:40:36,875 They see themselves as the rightful government in Afghanistan. 547 00:40:36,875 --> 00:40:42,904 And as they said, we are, we are ready for peace, but if we don't get 548 00:40:42,904 --> 00:40:47,585 our demands, if we don't get what we want, we will continue our war. 549 00:40:47,585 --> 00:40:52,955 We will continue our fight until we establish what an Islamic 550 00:40:53,285 --> 00:40:58,345 Emirate of Afghanistan and Islamic state and Emirate is just a state 551 00:40:58,424 --> 00:41:01,025 Islamic state of Afghanistan. 552 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:02,940 That is their goal. 553 00:41:02,940 --> 00:41:06,270 And they said, we're not tired of fighting and we're going to continue to fight 554 00:41:06,300 --> 00:41:09,510 until we establish our vision, our goal. 555 00:41:09,510 --> 00:41:17,100 So the question is, has the Taliban, how have they changed since 1996? 556 00:41:17,130 --> 00:41:19,230 When they, when they put atrocious? 557 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:25,070 Uh, I don't even want to say laws, but just regulations and, and 558 00:41:25,650 --> 00:41:27,390 forcing women to stay in doors. 559 00:41:27,420 --> 00:41:31,920 Forcing kids, young girls did not have access to education. 560 00:41:32,370 --> 00:41:33,690 It have, have they changed? 561 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:35,700 Does, does the Taliban have a new face? 562 00:41:35,700 --> 00:41:39,150 Well, luckily for us, the BBC asked that exact question. 563 00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:44,060 Lots of people I speak to, they fear the Taliban coming into power 564 00:41:44,060 --> 00:41:48,500 because they think they'll see a repeat of what happened in the 1990s. 565 00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,590 Do you think that you did things wrong back then and 566 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:53,690 would things be different now? 567 00:41:54,740 --> 00:41:58,640 The Taliban before and the telephone now are the same. 568 00:41:59,865 --> 00:42:02,745 Not about that, but there were some changes, of course, in personnel. 569 00:42:03,915 --> 00:42:05,234 Some people are for sure. 570 00:42:05,294 --> 00:42:09,964 And some people Carl calmer, I mean, that's not very encouraging. 571 00:42:10,415 --> 00:42:15,995 It's like, well, I mean the taller bond is the same Taliban, same, 572 00:42:15,995 --> 00:42:18,694 same Taliban from 30 years ago. 573 00:42:19,984 --> 00:42:22,254 And, uh, those really haven't changed. 574 00:42:22,285 --> 00:42:24,024 Of course, personnel has changed. 575 00:42:24,294 --> 00:42:27,055 Some people are harsher and some people are calmer. 576 00:42:27,475 --> 00:42:32,334 In other words, nothing has changed our, our goals, our vision of the future. 577 00:42:32,814 --> 00:42:34,464 It is the same. 578 00:42:36,024 --> 00:42:44,575 So the sense of fear that people are feeling, it's real, the consequences 579 00:42:44,964 --> 00:42:50,305 that people are facing right now in Afghanistan, uh, with the, the vacuum 580 00:42:50,845 --> 00:42:55,194 of power it's real president Biden, he is also correct in saying that. 581 00:42:56,580 --> 00:43:02,250 The Afghan government needs to needs to come together and fight because 582 00:43:02,370 --> 00:43:07,290 many of these cities have fallen without a fight to the Taliban. 583 00:43:07,290 --> 00:43:10,200 Many of these capital cities, they've just fallen without a 584 00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,390 fight and they've all retreated. 585 00:43:12,690 --> 00:43:16,049 Uh, the Afghani military has all retreated, which 586 00:43:19,350 --> 00:43:26,279 at the same time is going to leave an impact on many lives who are now going to. 587 00:43:27,270 --> 00:43:31,530 Who have sided with the Afghan government who are now under Taliban rule? 588 00:43:31,530 --> 00:43:32,850 Well, what about the legacy? 589 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,400 What legacy will be left? 590 00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:39,210 Well, here is the last clip that we have for the segment from 591 00:43:39,240 --> 00:43:41,720 Ali Latif as for the legacy. 592 00:43:41,720 --> 00:43:44,300 I mean, the fact that we're having these questions is a legacy, right? 593 00:43:44,300 --> 00:43:50,210 The fact that the Taliban is still able to pose a threat to, to, to the 594 00:43:50,210 --> 00:43:52,280 government and to the security forces. 595 00:43:52,580 --> 00:43:55,370 Uh, the fact that we're still having these battles and the fact 596 00:43:55,370 --> 00:43:59,150 that we're still asking what might happen to women, to children, to 597 00:43:59,150 --> 00:44:04,490 interpreters, you know, 20 years down the line, that is the legacy, it's it? 598 00:44:04,970 --> 00:44:06,710 You know, what really was achieved before. 599 00:44:06,710 --> 00:44:10,760 So asking these questions 20 years later, that's a great question. 600 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,130 What was achieved if we're still asking these questions, what is 601 00:44:13,130 --> 00:44:18,290 achieved if 20 years later, uh, we, we, we end in operation the 602 00:44:18,290 --> 00:44:22,370 Americans and in operation and it just goes straight back to how it was. 603 00:44:23,595 --> 00:44:28,154 You'd have to say then that nothing was achieved, that the pulling out just 604 00:44:28,154 --> 00:44:31,365 caused a great loss, a great loss of life. 605 00:44:31,964 --> 00:44:37,424 Uh, and we will see in the coming weeks and months, what is achieved, 606 00:44:37,424 --> 00:44:43,455 what remains and if anything ends up passing through this fire, so to speak, 607 00:44:43,904 --> 00:44:51,464 to have any sort of positive impact in, in that region moving forward. 608 00:44:55,754 --> 00:44:57,194 Yeah, that makes sense. 609 00:44:57,194 --> 00:45:01,004 A part of the show where, uh, in a post-truth world in a post-truth society 610 00:45:01,004 --> 00:45:08,145 where we have exchanged the truth for a lie reason for postmodern irrationality, 611 00:45:08,145 --> 00:45:10,935 the absurd finally make sense. 612 00:45:10,935 --> 00:45:15,975 Well, if gender pronouns have got you down, if you feeling confused and 613 00:45:15,975 --> 00:45:18,585 wondering, am I, should I, should I. 614 00:45:19,590 --> 00:45:22,410 Say something different to the store clerk. 615 00:45:22,410 --> 00:45:25,980 Should I use they all the time or are they going to be offended? 616 00:45:25,980 --> 00:45:32,280 I mean, I remember one time I was walking through a mall in the states, uh, I think 617 00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:33,990 it was like, I don't know what store was. 618 00:45:34,350 --> 00:45:37,830 And I was asking for a certain section, maybe slippers or something. 619 00:45:37,830 --> 00:45:38,490 I don't remember. 620 00:45:39,060 --> 00:45:44,970 And there was a person behind the counter and I said, excuse me, sir. 621 00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:49,560 And this individual turned around and, uh, the, the glare that 622 00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:54,420 I received from calling him a syrup was, uh, it was like ice. 623 00:45:54,750 --> 00:45:55,740 It was daggers. 624 00:45:57,029 --> 00:46:01,259 Pouring through my soul because of this, it definitely looked like it was 625 00:46:01,259 --> 00:46:05,040 a, he, that was trying to look like a sheen and I must have used the wrong 626 00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,830 pronouns, um, in my embarrassment. 627 00:46:08,279 --> 00:46:11,939 Uh, and in light of their daggers, I just kept going on. 628 00:46:12,060 --> 00:46:15,540 Uh, Bolivia's acting like, uh, I didn't notice that the person wanted to kill me. 629 00:46:16,319 --> 00:46:19,950 Uh, and I just kept on with the same, sir, but it would have been 630 00:46:19,950 --> 00:46:24,720 so great if there was some sort of marker or identifier that was on this 631 00:46:25,620 --> 00:46:28,470 individual, on this person to know. 632 00:46:29,535 --> 00:46:33,795 They, he, or she really wanted to be addressed by, well, don't worry. 633 00:46:34,185 --> 00:46:38,565 Tik TOK has solved all of our problems. 634 00:46:38,884 --> 00:46:40,355 I just made pronoun bracelets. 635 00:46:40,444 --> 00:46:44,075 And I would like to explain them this one stands for he him. 636 00:46:44,105 --> 00:46:47,015 So green and blue, more masculine colors. 637 00:46:47,345 --> 00:46:50,255 This one stands for she, her so pink and purple, more feminine color. 638 00:46:50,615 --> 00:46:53,105 And then this one stands for de them and it's yellow and orange, 639 00:46:53,105 --> 00:46:55,085 which are like gender neutral color. 640 00:46:55,384 --> 00:46:55,955 Hold up. 641 00:46:56,465 --> 00:47:02,884 I thought that the whole idea behind this movement was that it is sexist to say 642 00:47:02,884 --> 00:47:06,245 that blue and green is a masculine color. 643 00:47:06,694 --> 00:47:06,965 Right. 644 00:47:06,965 --> 00:47:09,815 Because the whole idea is there is, there is no such thing 645 00:47:09,815 --> 00:47:11,435 as masculine and feminine. 646 00:47:11,825 --> 00:47:14,165 And, uh, so the fact that. 647 00:47:15,975 --> 00:47:19,484 Um, well, we'll have to see, I don't know what bracelet she's wearing right now. 648 00:47:20,085 --> 00:47:26,714 So, uh, they, since she's holding a, a yellow bracelet, um, since they are 649 00:47:26,714 --> 00:47:33,435 saying that, uh, that the different colors are, are coinciding with, uh, normative 650 00:47:33,855 --> 00:47:36,705 gender roles, I'm deeply offended. 651 00:47:37,424 --> 00:47:40,785 I mean, cause you know what I actually liked, I liked some peaks, 652 00:47:41,024 --> 00:47:46,035 you know, at a nice pink shirt or a nice purple uh, a pocket square 653 00:47:46,455 --> 00:47:48,314 that those are very masculine to me. 654 00:47:48,314 --> 00:47:51,345 So off the top, I'm just offended by this. 655 00:47:51,915 --> 00:47:57,185 Uh, so I, man, so offended and I wear this one. 656 00:47:57,455 --> 00:47:59,884 Uh, it means that I just go by that, but I wear these two 657 00:47:59,884 --> 00:48:01,685 together means I go by she them. 658 00:48:02,314 --> 00:48:02,615 Okay. 659 00:48:02,615 --> 00:48:07,024 So, so here's, you're showing multiple bracelets of different colors. 660 00:48:07,415 --> 00:48:11,734 And so when she wears dual bracelets, she goes by. 661 00:48:12,645 --> 00:48:15,465 Know, multiple pronouns where these together, it means I go by 662 00:48:15,465 --> 00:48:18,855 he then when I wear all of them, it means that I go by all pronouns. 663 00:48:18,975 --> 00:48:23,405 And when I wear these together, it means that I go by which wait. 664 00:48:23,735 --> 00:48:29,045 So maybe I'm not getting the, the, the, I have not read the deeper 665 00:48:29,045 --> 00:48:30,665 literature on these pronouns. 666 00:48:31,055 --> 00:48:35,075 I've not educated myself in the appropriate manner, but it's quite 667 00:48:35,075 --> 00:48:40,925 confusing to me, uh, that someone would want to be referred to as she 668 00:48:40,925 --> 00:48:48,935 him or, or her, her, him, her, he, uh, at the same, I guess, because you're 669 00:48:48,935 --> 00:48:53,285 non-binary but then why would you want to be referred to two different 670 00:48:53,285 --> 00:48:56,615 binary pronouns at the same time? 671 00:48:57,540 --> 00:49:00,570 Uh, anyways, this goes on. 672 00:49:01,460 --> 00:49:04,670 She him, I'm gonna wear them all right now because I go by all pronouns right now. 673 00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:09,410 My pronoun like preference has changed three times today. 674 00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:14,990 This does not happen very often with me, but I'm wearing all three right now. 675 00:49:17,540 --> 00:49:18,680 Um, did you catch this? 676 00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:19,190 Did you catch it? 677 00:49:19,610 --> 00:49:20,509 I'll pronounce right now? 678 00:49:20,990 --> 00:49:25,160 My pronoun like preference has changed three times today. 679 00:49:25,370 --> 00:49:31,549 My pronoun preference has changed three times today, I guess. 680 00:49:31,549 --> 00:49:32,750 I mean, it's true, right? 681 00:49:32,779 --> 00:49:33,799 Gender fluidity. 682 00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:40,009 If, if we're embracing gender fluidity, but man, if, if someone's identity 683 00:49:40,009 --> 00:49:44,900 like this used to be called something, this used, this used to have a name and 684 00:49:44,900 --> 00:49:46,970 it was multiple personality disorder. 685 00:49:47,660 --> 00:49:52,850 If someone's, if someone's identity is changing multiple times 686 00:49:52,910 --> 00:49:58,710 throughout the day, That, that sounds like it's, uh, a serious issue. 687 00:49:59,609 --> 00:50:05,910 This is not something that's just merely laughable, but it seems like there are, I 688 00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:09,899 mean, this used to be called a real issue. 689 00:50:10,230 --> 00:50:11,520 This used to be called a problem. 690 00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:12,690 And now it's celebrated. 691 00:50:13,170 --> 00:50:19,529 Now it's celebrated as, as liberation from, from normative patriarchal, 692 00:50:19,529 --> 00:50:25,470 oppressive ideology that has been spurred on by a white supremacy 693 00:50:25,500 --> 00:50:34,200 colonialism to, to, to destroy the power of the trans enlightened divine ones. 694 00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:45,089 When really it's, it's someone who is manifesting multiple personalities, 695 00:50:45,129 --> 00:50:46,830 multiple identities in a day. 696 00:50:47,430 --> 00:50:52,370 That is, that sounds like a disorder to me and a few years. 697 00:50:53,174 --> 00:50:57,165 It was widely accepted as you need help. 698 00:50:57,404 --> 00:50:59,955 Not, you should be celebrated, not, you should be on a stage. 699 00:50:59,984 --> 00:51:03,495 Not not, we should push this on a generation. 700 00:51:05,174 --> 00:51:09,524 What, what sort of damaging effects will this have? 701 00:51:09,584 --> 00:51:14,024 And now I'm going to throw this into a hard reverse right here and say, 702 00:51:15,605 --> 00:51:17,205 it's really not a laughing matter. 703 00:51:18,314 --> 00:51:25,274 It's really one where I want to use empathy and say, how can we get 704 00:51:26,325 --> 00:51:28,515 kids like this minors like this? 705 00:51:28,515 --> 00:51:29,535 How can we get them help? 706 00:51:29,984 --> 00:51:36,734 How can we, how can parents begin to address these problems before they explode 707 00:51:36,884 --> 00:51:42,314 into, to such life altering decisions? 708 00:51:42,345 --> 00:51:45,734 Because these kids are making life altering decisions and they're 709 00:51:45,734 --> 00:51:50,234 being supported by the school, the school systems and in the way. 710 00:51:51,425 --> 00:51:57,035 Not just America, all of Europe, all of Canada, and it, and it's 711 00:51:57,035 --> 00:52:01,355 growing in other places across the subcontinent sub-continent and it's 712 00:52:01,355 --> 00:52:03,215 growing across the global south. 713 00:52:04,235 --> 00:52:06,245 The school systems will not stop this. 714 00:52:07,515 --> 00:52:10,985 The gender reassignment centers are not going to stop this. 715 00:52:10,985 --> 00:52:12,005 They're going to encourage it. 716 00:52:12,005 --> 00:52:16,445 The only place that can be stopped is if, if it stopped in the home 717 00:52:16,865 --> 00:52:21,695 where parents are attentive enough and compassionate enough to stop 718 00:52:21,695 --> 00:52:27,155 and say, why, why is it that you're feeling such turmoil within yourself? 719 00:52:27,185 --> 00:52:34,235 Why is it that you're feeling such a visceral hatred towards your physical 720 00:52:34,235 --> 00:52:37,535 appearance or different parts of your body that you want to try to 721 00:52:37,565 --> 00:52:42,785 erase something on your physical appearance that you're going through 722 00:52:42,845 --> 00:52:44,765 to such lengths that's so oppressive. 723 00:52:44,765 --> 00:52:47,855 What is the underlying root cause? 724 00:52:49,234 --> 00:52:52,415 And we need to, we need to empathy, use empathy and 725 00:52:52,415 --> 00:52:55,415 compassion for those individuals. 726 00:52:55,805 --> 00:53:00,785 While at the same time, we need to utterly, utterly reject the 727 00:53:00,785 --> 00:53:03,515 celebration of this ideology. 728 00:53:03,515 --> 00:53:12,245 We need to utterly reject the, the further, uh, proper propagating of this 729 00:53:12,515 --> 00:53:17,015 thought system of this worldview and celebrating it as something that's normal. 730 00:53:17,015 --> 00:53:18,515 Two things can be done at one time. 731 00:53:18,694 --> 00:53:23,915 We can say, we're not going to accept this as normality and we're going to 732 00:53:24,035 --> 00:53:30,484 do what is truly compassionate and help people find the right healing 733 00:53:33,875 --> 00:53:36,634 from these deeper under blind issues. 734 00:53:38,595 --> 00:53:43,485 This show is brought to you by listeners like you and thousands of 735 00:53:43,485 --> 00:53:45,645 people tune into the show every week. 736 00:53:45,675 --> 00:53:49,305 And I'm assuming you do it just like the others do it because you're getting 737 00:53:49,305 --> 00:53:51,195 some sort of value out of the show. 738 00:53:51,195 --> 00:53:55,305 If you're getting value out of the show, we ask that you would give value back 739 00:53:55,305 --> 00:53:59,855 to the show in the measure that you got it it's called a value for value model. 740 00:53:59,855 --> 00:54:03,875 We don't have a lot of, or any advertisements here on the show 741 00:54:03,875 --> 00:54:06,635 because it's fueled by producers. 742 00:54:07,980 --> 00:54:08,310 You. 743 00:54:08,310 --> 00:54:13,410 So if you want to give back to the show and see it grow well, you can do so by 744 00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:18,299 visiting Lucas scrub.com and you can give your card cold feet out there, or you 745 00:54:18,299 --> 00:54:26,970 can get a, a, a podcasting certified 2.0 app where you can stream, uh, once Toshi 746 00:54:26,970 --> 00:54:32,940 is in, into Satoshi's Bitcoin, uh, as you listen to the show giving 1 cent or 747 00:54:32,940 --> 00:54:35,340 2 cents or however many cents you want. 748 00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:39,410 Per minute as you listen, don't go away. 749 00:54:39,740 --> 00:54:42,590 We will be right back with our closing Weaver and loom. 750 00:54:42,590 --> 00:54:42,860 Second, 751 00:54:51,130 --> 00:54:54,730 welcome back to Weaver, loom a part of the show where we take ancient wisdom 752 00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:58,720 and we weave it in with our everyday lives that we can own our future. 753 00:54:58,750 --> 00:55:01,050 And we've our destinies. 754 00:55:01,050 --> 00:55:01,270 Today. 755 00:55:01,270 --> 00:55:06,640 We actually have a two for two short, short, but powerful quotes. 756 00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:09,490 If you today, the first one is by Tolstoy. 757 00:55:09,910 --> 00:55:16,750 He writes, let us forgive each other only then will we live in peace? 758 00:55:17,170 --> 00:55:17,950 And this is true. 759 00:55:18,580 --> 00:55:19,090 It is. 760 00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:21,760 It is the power of forgiveness. 761 00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,820 Forgiveness is the only way that we can live in peace when 762 00:55:24,820 --> 00:55:27,040 we are surrounded by conflict. 763 00:55:27,310 --> 00:55:33,220 When we are surrounded with, with pain and hurts and wounds, the only way to 764 00:55:33,220 --> 00:55:34,780 live in peace, even with ourselves. 765 00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:40,560 In, in our interior world, the only way to live in peace is through forgiveness. 766 00:55:40,590 --> 00:55:45,090 Even if the other person doesn't want to forgive you, you can at least live in 767 00:55:45,090 --> 00:55:51,570 peace by truly releasing and forgiving the other person, forgiving their debt. 768 00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:58,350 Because the only person that is being held captive by our unforgiveness is ourselves. 769 00:55:58,530 --> 00:56:03,210 We are putting ourselves in a cage and we are drinking the poison 770 00:56:03,210 --> 00:56:04,890 of bitterness day in and day out. 771 00:56:05,700 --> 00:56:09,570 We think that when we hold onto anger and bitterness and unforgiveness, we 772 00:56:09,570 --> 00:56:13,830 think that we're hurting the other person that somehow we're getting vengeance 773 00:56:13,830 --> 00:56:17,430 against the other person, but we are the one that's drinking the poison 774 00:56:17,430 --> 00:56:18,960 and expecting someone else to die. 775 00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:20,880 Forgiveness. 776 00:56:21,750 --> 00:56:26,280 Forgiveness is the path and is the key to freedom that we will at least 777 00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:28,140 live in peace within ourselves. 778 00:56:28,830 --> 00:56:33,210 And if it can happen mutually, we can live in peace among one another. 779 00:56:33,510 --> 00:56:36,660 But what happens when it doesn't happen mutually? 780 00:56:36,660 --> 00:56:40,170 Like we're witnessing in Afghanistan right now. 781 00:56:41,430 --> 00:56:44,280 There's not peace and there's not forgiveness. 782 00:56:45,690 --> 00:56:52,590 Or what happens when you see an ideology like transgenderism push there. 783 00:56:52,590 --> 00:56:54,090 They're not wanting to live in peace. 784 00:56:54,090 --> 00:57:01,310 They want to transform and totally rewrite reality and bend reality. 785 00:57:01,460 --> 00:57:02,930 According to their vision. 786 00:57:02,930 --> 00:57:05,690 It's not something you of libertarianism. 787 00:57:06,020 --> 00:57:09,290 It's not something that says let's all, you know, I'm going to do my thing. 788 00:57:09,290 --> 00:57:10,070 You do your thing. 789 00:57:10,370 --> 00:57:13,310 It is saying you all must conform to my thing. 790 00:57:13,310 --> 00:57:17,750 If not, if you disagree with me and it's a hate crime, well, what do we do then? 791 00:57:20,460 --> 00:57:23,970 When we might be willing to forgive, we might be willing to find that common 792 00:57:23,970 --> 00:57:31,430 goal, but the other side wants for, well, that brings us to our next quote in war. 793 00:57:31,430 --> 00:57:38,330 Then let your great objective be victory, not lengthy campaigns at 794 00:57:38,330 --> 00:57:42,470 sun Tzu from the art of war in war, then let your great objective be 795 00:57:42,470 --> 00:57:45,379 victory, not lengthy campaigns. 796 00:57:45,980 --> 00:57:51,560 And we saw in Afghanistan lengthy campaign of 20 years now in the, 797 00:57:52,700 --> 00:57:55,910 in a span of wars, there've been wars that lasted a hundred years. 798 00:57:57,109 --> 00:58:01,430 Men and women, men would go to war every season, every year. 799 00:58:01,430 --> 00:58:05,810 It's the season of war men get out and go to war every year. 800 00:58:05,810 --> 00:58:12,350 So the 20 years in the grand scheme of history is not a forever war, but 801 00:58:12,350 --> 00:58:13,790 it was definitely a lengthy campaign. 802 00:58:14,359 --> 00:58:18,470 And we definitely look at the, the end of it and say that we have not obtained. 803 00:58:20,115 --> 00:58:22,845 That the Afghani government has not obtained victory and that felt 804 00:58:22,845 --> 00:58:25,335 entire legacy really could be lost. 805 00:58:25,335 --> 00:58:33,154 And just a matter of, of, of weeks or months erasing all the work that 806 00:58:33,154 --> 00:58:37,835 many people have, have strived to do over the course of 20 years. 807 00:58:38,285 --> 00:58:45,785 And when we look at the other areas in life, I would ask ourselves, are 808 00:58:45,785 --> 00:58:54,455 we, are we just engaged in lengthy campaigns of, of just spinning the wheel? 809 00:58:54,455 --> 00:58:57,615 If you will, we're not acting actually moving anything forward. 810 00:58:57,615 --> 00:59:01,245 We're not actually focused on the objective that will bring victory. 811 00:59:01,245 --> 00:59:02,535 They'll say this is when this ends. 812 00:59:03,645 --> 00:59:08,145 And so for bringing it back to weave it into our personal lives, instead of just 813 00:59:08,145 --> 00:59:13,545 living your life with lengthy campaigns, just things that go on forever and never 814 00:59:13,545 --> 00:59:16,965 end where you never quite know if you have had victory or not and whatever 815 00:59:16,965 --> 00:59:19,995 area that you are warring for a victory. 816 00:59:19,995 --> 00:59:25,605 And instead focus on an objective victory, something that you can measure. 817 00:59:25,875 --> 00:59:28,335 And don't worry about this lengthy campaigns, but 818 00:59:28,335 --> 00:59:31,725 instead work to be victorious. 819 00:59:31,725 --> 00:59:36,255 Well, I thank you for being here and listening to this show. 820 00:59:36,645 --> 00:59:39,315 Uh, it's the best part of my week. 821 00:59:39,525 --> 00:59:41,535 Being able to spend it with you. 822 00:59:41,765 --> 00:59:46,205 And one way that you can get more value from the show is by sharing it with your 823 00:59:46,205 --> 00:59:49,535 friends and you know what, you don't even have to share the actual episode 824 00:59:49,535 --> 00:59:53,615 with your friends, but definitely share these ideas with your spouse, 825 00:59:53,735 --> 00:59:59,305 with your kids, with your coworkers, because it's, as we bring it up. 826 01:00:00,045 --> 01:00:05,415 These ideas as we bring up these, these topics that we grappled with here on 827 01:00:05,415 --> 01:00:07,575 the show, we build a stronger culture. 828 01:00:07,575 --> 01:00:13,005 We cause people to ask questions and the intern ask us questions 829 01:00:13,005 --> 01:00:14,805 and is through asking questions. 830 01:00:15,525 --> 01:00:19,005 We're able to see and think more clearly. 831 01:00:19,335 --> 01:00:25,155 And it's the asking of this questions that pursuing of truth, not to just endless 832 01:00:25,155 --> 01:00:26,895 the ask questions, but to find truth. 833 01:00:27,465 --> 01:00:32,685 That is what opens the door for us to understand who we are, 834 01:00:32,745 --> 01:00:35,985 our purpose and own our futures.