WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.800 --> 00:00:03.680 You're listening to The Bible Guys, a podcast where a 2 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:06.440 couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun, in 3 00:00:06.559 --> 00:00:13.359 practical ways. Hey, everybody, welcome to another episode of The 4 00:00:13.359 --> 00:00:13.919 Bible Guys. 5 00:00:13.919 --> 00:00:14.480 Here we are. 6 00:00:14.679 --> 00:00:17.920 We are right here in this studio, as we seem 7 00:00:18.000 --> 00:00:20.719 to always be. Yes, yes, we're always here. 8 00:00:20.839 --> 00:00:21.800 Super exciting stuff. 9 00:00:21.879 --> 00:00:24.399 Yeah, but by the way, you don't even know where 10 00:00:24.399 --> 00:00:26.480 the studio is. It's kind of a mystery. People actually 11 00:00:26.559 --> 00:00:27.760 have asked me a secret. Yeah. 12 00:00:27.800 --> 00:00:32.119 People have actually a secret bunker, and if we tell you, 13 00:00:32.200 --> 00:00:32.880 we'll have to kill you. 14 00:00:33.560 --> 00:00:35.560 Some people have writually in the lobby they say where 15 00:00:35.600 --> 00:00:37.399 are you guys, and they think it's in the church, 16 00:00:37.439 --> 00:00:41.320 but it's not. It's not a podcast offsite. 17 00:00:40.920 --> 00:00:41.320 That's right. 18 00:00:41.880 --> 00:00:45.799 Hey, So we are going to start the week and 19 00:00:45.920 --> 00:00:48.679 the day in this episode with some of the best 20 00:00:48.679 --> 00:00:50.560 news that you've ever heard in your life. 21 00:00:50.640 --> 00:00:53.640 Well, I mean, I think our longtime listeners know how 22 00:00:53.679 --> 00:00:57.840 dedicated we are. Yes, only the finest news for our people. Yes, 23 00:00:57.880 --> 00:01:01.679 and this one is it's more of a special interest piece. 24 00:01:02.119 --> 00:01:05.239 It's definitely it's probably funnier to us. 25 00:01:05.400 --> 00:01:08.359 Yes, yes, but I mean if they're trying to figure 26 00:01:08.359 --> 00:01:12.000 out what kind of pastor. Should they follow? Yes, well, 27 00:01:12.079 --> 00:01:16.120 these are some of those qualifications. So Babylon B has 28 00:01:17.120 --> 00:01:19.239 a list here, do you have what it takes to 29 00:01:19.239 --> 00:01:22.159 be a pastor? Here are nine qualifications? So I think 30 00:01:22.200 --> 00:01:24.159 maybe we can measure each other to see if you 31 00:01:24.280 --> 00:01:26.439 have what it takes. I'm asking you if you have 32 00:01:26.560 --> 00:01:29.640 what it takes to be a pastor? Don't look at yourself. Well, 33 00:01:30.280 --> 00:01:32.560 I've already looked through some of these and i think 34 00:01:32.560 --> 00:01:37.319 I'm more than qualified. But humility not being on this list. 35 00:01:37.359 --> 00:01:40.319 So do you have what it takes to be a pastor? 36 00:01:40.400 --> 00:01:44.400 Here on nine qualifications. There are many glamorous occupations people 37 00:01:44.439 --> 00:01:49.319 pursue movie star, doctor, satire writer, but perhaps the most 38 00:01:49.359 --> 00:01:51.280 prestigious and sought after line of work is that of 39 00:01:51.319 --> 00:01:54.480 being a pastor. Yeah, though many want such a job, 40 00:01:54.560 --> 00:01:57.719 few are qualified. So do you meet the requirements? The 41 00:01:57.760 --> 00:02:00.959 Babylon B has compiled the following hell full list of 42 00:02:01.000 --> 00:02:04.599 the nine more important qualifications to become a pastor? More important, 43 00:02:04.680 --> 00:02:05.280 more important. 44 00:02:05.319 --> 00:02:05.640 Yes. 45 00:02:06.239 --> 00:02:09.319 Number one, you must be perfect and never make a mistake, 46 00:02:10.159 --> 00:02:12.439 because everyone knows pastors don't. 47 00:02:12.199 --> 00:02:15.199 Do anything wrong. That's right, right, So how you doing? 48 00:02:15.319 --> 00:02:17.080 How you doing on that one? Pretty good? Doing? Pretty 49 00:02:17.120 --> 00:02:18.120 good so far. I'm feeling good. 50 00:02:18.120 --> 00:02:18.759 I'm checking the box. 51 00:02:18.800 --> 00:02:20.800 Feeling great about this one. Yeah yeah, Okay. 52 00:02:21.000 --> 00:02:24.039 Number two must be thin enough to not be a glutton, 53 00:02:24.400 --> 00:02:27.599 but fat enough to not be hot. Wow, I'm doing 54 00:02:27.599 --> 00:02:28.479 pretty good on that one. 55 00:02:28.520 --> 00:02:31.280 Wow. I can't even believe they wrote that. That's actually 56 00:02:31.360 --> 00:02:32.039 pretty hilarious. 57 00:02:32.080 --> 00:02:34.000 It says, you don't want to be morbidly obese, but 58 00:02:34.039 --> 00:02:38.919 you don't want to distract anyone with your handsomeness. Okay, 59 00:02:39.919 --> 00:02:42.639 number three, you must always jump out the nearest window, 60 00:02:42.800 --> 00:02:45.039 if ever in the same room with a woman while no. 61 00:02:44.960 --> 00:02:45.840 One else is present. 62 00:02:45.919 --> 00:02:46.759 That's really funny. 63 00:02:46.800 --> 00:02:48.439 This is known as the Billy Graham rule. 64 00:02:48.719 --> 00:02:51.280 It's so funny that they took that, which is a 65 00:02:51.280 --> 00:02:54.759 good rule, winning stream with it because it's it's pretty funny. 66 00:02:55.039 --> 00:02:57.000 Billy Graham had a rule that he would never be alone, 67 00:02:57.000 --> 00:02:59.520 and so that's probably one of the reasons why at 68 00:02:59.599 --> 00:03:01.479 ninety nine years old when he died, he never had 69 00:03:01.479 --> 00:03:04.759 a controversy either, right, because he was particularly careful. Okay, 70 00:03:04.840 --> 00:03:07.879 number four must be able to survive on a diet 71 00:03:07.919 --> 00:03:09.560 made up solely of castle roles. 72 00:03:11.039 --> 00:03:12.639 Did you ever go to church? I had lots of 73 00:03:12.759 --> 00:03:13.800 Oh yeah, lots of. 74 00:03:13.800 --> 00:03:15.639 And those are my favorite moments in life. 75 00:03:15.800 --> 00:03:18.400 Yeah, pot luck, potluck, dinner's man, all the ladies bring 76 00:03:18.400 --> 00:03:19.080 their cast roles. 77 00:03:19.120 --> 00:03:20.599 Yes, some may be better than others. 78 00:03:20.719 --> 00:03:24.199 The heart of Atlanta, Yes, oh that was where I was. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 79 00:03:24.240 --> 00:03:24.879 it was really good. 80 00:03:24.919 --> 00:03:25.240 Okay. 81 00:03:25.400 --> 00:03:27.759 I used to serve in Southeast Texas and it was 82 00:03:27.759 --> 00:03:30.960 all the Cajuns and they'd always bring gumbos, gumbos and 83 00:03:31.000 --> 00:03:31.680 John Balaias. 84 00:03:31.960 --> 00:03:33.360 It was so good. Okay. 85 00:03:33.639 --> 00:03:38.039 Number five must be willing to work weekends, weekdays, nights, mornings, afternoons, 86 00:03:38.039 --> 00:03:42.479 and holidays. That's awesome, right, Marriage counseling experience, theological knowledge, 87 00:03:42.520 --> 00:03:44.199 and carpentry skills are also preferred. 88 00:03:44.240 --> 00:03:46.520 Oh my goodness, this was really well written. 89 00:03:48.240 --> 00:03:48.400 Yeah. 90 00:03:48.599 --> 00:03:52.080 I worked for a pastor that did everything. He mowed 91 00:03:52.120 --> 00:03:55.039 the lawn, right, I mean he did everything to do 92 00:03:55.120 --> 00:03:56.159 all the repairs. 93 00:03:56.759 --> 00:03:57.080 Okay. 94 00:03:57.400 --> 00:03:59.560 A number six must be willing to drive a twenty 95 00:03:59.639 --> 00:04:02.840 year old vehicle and never flash your wealth. And this 96 00:04:02.960 --> 00:04:08.319 is for white pastors ownly. Yeah, if you're a urban pastor, 97 00:04:08.520 --> 00:04:11.360 if you're a neurban pastor, this doesn't this doesn't apply 98 00:04:11.479 --> 00:04:15.439 to you. But for rural white pastors, you have to 99 00:04:15.520 --> 00:04:17.439 drive twenty year old vehicles and never flash. 100 00:04:17.560 --> 00:04:19.279 Well, if you don't live in church world, this may 101 00:04:19.319 --> 00:04:21.279 not be funny to you, but I'm telling you right now, 102 00:04:21.519 --> 00:04:25.560 this is ministry gold stuff. This is gold. It's so good. 103 00:04:25.560 --> 00:04:26.720 It's so funny. Okay. 104 00:04:26.800 --> 00:04:29.680 Number seven, uh and and by the way, a bunch 105 00:04:29.680 --> 00:04:31.839 of my friends they know, they know which side of 106 00:04:31.879 --> 00:04:35.480 that that line that they're sitting on. Yes, yes, Number seven, 107 00:04:35.759 --> 00:04:38.120 you must enjoy attending twelve funerals per week. 108 00:04:38.240 --> 00:04:38.519 Wow. 109 00:04:38.600 --> 00:04:39.720 Right, be aware you'll. 110 00:04:39.519 --> 00:04:41.800 Probably be expected to say something at all of them too, right, 111 00:04:42.279 --> 00:04:44.680 So right, yeah, funerals. They're like your favorite thing, aren't 112 00:04:44.720 --> 00:04:48.759 they They are not? No, no, no, okay, but I 113 00:04:48.800 --> 00:04:54.079 just wish somebody would. Okay, it's kind of like it's. 114 00:04:53.959 --> 00:04:56.000 Kind of like death and taxes. Right, It's like it's 115 00:04:56.399 --> 00:04:59.000 job security for anybody who does funerals. 116 00:04:59.680 --> 00:05:00.000 Okay. 117 00:05:00.160 --> 00:05:03.199 Number eight, you must possess a willingness to suffer all 118 00:05:03.279 --> 00:05:07.360 things for the sake of gospel, including weekly conversations with Steve. 119 00:05:07.519 --> 00:05:08.720 Right whoever Steve is. 120 00:05:08.839 --> 00:05:10.000 Oh, you know who you are. 121 00:05:09.879 --> 00:05:12.720 Steve, but he has a Steve everybody. 122 00:05:13.120 --> 00:05:15.600 And then number nine you must have read the Bible 123 00:05:15.680 --> 00:05:16.639 at least once. 124 00:05:17.519 --> 00:05:20.040 This is kind of important, right, This is kind of important. 125 00:05:20.079 --> 00:05:22.240 So if you check all the boxes listed above, you 126 00:05:22.279 --> 00:05:23.680 may have what it takes to be a pastor. 127 00:05:23.800 --> 00:05:25.879 Just make sure you're a Christian first, oh. 128 00:05:25.720 --> 00:05:28.319 My goodness yours, and have read the Bible at least once. 129 00:05:28.399 --> 00:05:29.079 At least once. 130 00:05:29.240 --> 00:05:31.680 So hey, if you're one of our listeners and you're 131 00:05:31.720 --> 00:05:34.720 wondering should you go into the ministry, well, those nine 132 00:05:34.759 --> 00:05:38.639 would be bare minimums. Yes, bare minimums would be so funny. 133 00:05:39.639 --> 00:05:42.800 Yeah, that is ministry gold. I'm telling you whoever wrote 134 00:05:42.879 --> 00:05:45.480 that has been around church world for a very very 135 00:05:45.480 --> 00:05:50.040 long time. Because pastors we have our own just like everybody, right, 136 00:05:50.360 --> 00:05:52.519 you know, like you know, electricians have their own little 137 00:05:52.560 --> 00:05:56.199 inside jokes, lawyers, attorneys, cab drivers, I mean, everybody does, 138 00:05:56.759 --> 00:06:00.959 office workers, dental assistants. And I'm telling you that's that's 139 00:06:01.079 --> 00:06:02.480 right there, it's right in the niche. 140 00:06:02.959 --> 00:06:03.279 Yeah. 141 00:06:03.319 --> 00:06:05.959 If if you've never gone to Babylon B, you should. 142 00:06:06.079 --> 00:06:09.639 You should go check it out. Very very funny Babylon 143 00:06:09.720 --> 00:06:16.000 b dot com and the headlines are hysterically funny. I 144 00:06:16.040 --> 00:06:17.399 was going to read some headlines, but I'm not going 145 00:06:17.439 --> 00:06:19.759 to read them. You should go check them out. Yeah, 146 00:06:19.800 --> 00:06:21.759 they do a lot of political commentary, a lot of 147 00:06:21.759 --> 00:06:25.279 political satire. They've been shut down by most of the 148 00:06:25.319 --> 00:06:29.600 social media companies over the last couple of years at 149 00:06:29.680 --> 00:06:33.319 various times for quote unquote fake news, which is hysterically 150 00:06:33.319 --> 00:06:37.079 funny because it's a satire website, right, right, so everything 151 00:06:37.120 --> 00:06:41.279 they write is fake, right, But it's it's it's just a. 152 00:06:41.199 --> 00:06:42.800 Really funny, funny group of people. 153 00:06:42.879 --> 00:06:46.360 So Okay, well, hey, we are not talking about a 154 00:06:46.399 --> 00:06:47.319 funny topic today. 155 00:06:48.399 --> 00:06:50.279 Well we're going from laugh to not. 156 00:06:50.480 --> 00:06:53.920 It's not funny, ha ha, but it is kind of funny, weird. 157 00:06:53.839 --> 00:06:56.600 It's kind of odd, yeah, a little spooky. 158 00:06:56.759 --> 00:06:59.800 Yeah, well it's kids. It's all consulting a medium. 159 00:07:00.279 --> 00:07:00.839 Yeah. 160 00:07:00.879 --> 00:07:03.160 Now, hey, before we even dive into this topic, I 161 00:07:03.199 --> 00:07:05.800 know this is like probably a controversial topic for some people. 162 00:07:06.399 --> 00:07:10.920 Uh did anybody has anybody in your family ever gone 163 00:07:10.920 --> 00:07:13.399 to like a poem reader or a psychic or a 164 00:07:13.399 --> 00:07:16.600 fortune teller. No, all the time, in my family, really 165 00:07:16.800 --> 00:07:17.439 all the time. 166 00:07:17.720 --> 00:07:19.639 Yeah, not even in your current household. 167 00:07:20.000 --> 00:07:22.920 Yes, wow, yes, I have a very big family. First 168 00:07:22.920 --> 00:07:23.079 of all. 169 00:07:23.160 --> 00:07:24.879 Yeah, yeah, I say in your household. 170 00:07:25.240 --> 00:07:28.959 Oh not my household, not like my I was like 171 00:07:29.000 --> 00:07:29.519 three chills. 172 00:07:29.600 --> 00:07:31.040 I was like, well, we should have brought this up 173 00:07:31.040 --> 00:07:31.600 in the interview. 174 00:07:32.079 --> 00:07:35.160 Right, No, I'm talking about my immediate face. 175 00:07:35.160 --> 00:07:36.879 What should I do for Christmas series this year? 176 00:07:37.079 --> 00:07:38.199 Right? Right? 177 00:07:38.360 --> 00:07:40.800 Let me look at your poem? Oh this right? 178 00:07:40.959 --> 00:07:43.800 Yeah? Yeah, yeah, so yes, I mean I I U. 179 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:45.959 I mean it probably has been a few years, but 180 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:49.000 I would say in the last five years I probably 181 00:07:49.000 --> 00:07:51.120 have had at least two family members that I know 182 00:07:51.199 --> 00:07:54.000 of who went either to a fortune teller or a psychic. 183 00:07:54.160 --> 00:07:59.639 Oh yeah, yeah, well Saul does and it costs him 184 00:07:59.680 --> 00:08:04.040 a lot. So we're reading in First Samuel, chapter twenty eight, 185 00:08:04.199 --> 00:08:07.040 and we'll just read. Looks like the whole chapter says 186 00:08:07.079 --> 00:08:09.720 about that time the Philistines mustered their armies for another 187 00:08:09.759 --> 00:08:12.560 war with Israel. King Aikish, he was the king of 188 00:08:12.560 --> 00:08:16.399 the Philistines, told David, let me just tell you the 189 00:08:16.759 --> 00:08:17.160 David was. 190 00:08:17.199 --> 00:08:18.639 Hiding out from Saul. 191 00:08:18.839 --> 00:08:23.000 Decided that for a while the heat was too too much, 192 00:08:23.040 --> 00:08:26.759 and so he went and hit out in the Philistine region. 193 00:08:27.160 --> 00:08:31.319 And in order to hide there, he would pretending. 194 00:08:30.959 --> 00:08:32.879 To be the enemy of Saul in the front of 195 00:08:32.879 --> 00:08:33.519 the film, yeesh. 196 00:08:33.759 --> 00:08:36.519 And he was raiding all kinds of enemy villages. But 197 00:08:36.600 --> 00:08:39.320 he kept telling King Aikish that he was raiding you 198 00:08:39.360 --> 00:08:43.360 know some of the suburban Jewish villages and stuff like that. 199 00:08:43.480 --> 00:08:46.759 So anyways, he had this really weird relationship with King Akish, 200 00:08:46.799 --> 00:08:49.679 and Akish thought David's an ally, and David wasn't. He 201 00:08:49.720 --> 00:08:51.799 was doing his own thing and living in the area. 202 00:08:51.879 --> 00:08:54.919 So that being said, King Akish told David, you and 203 00:08:54.960 --> 00:08:56.919 your men will be expected to join me in battle. 204 00:08:57.720 --> 00:09:00.799 Very well, David agreed. Now you will see for yourself 205 00:09:00.840 --> 00:09:03.200 what we can do. Then Aikish told David, I will 206 00:09:03.200 --> 00:09:07.080 make you my personal bodyguard for life. Meanwhile, Samuel had 207 00:09:07.080 --> 00:09:09.679 died and all Israel had mourned for him. He was 208 00:09:09.720 --> 00:09:15.159 buried in Rama, his hometown, and Saul had banned from 209 00:09:15.279 --> 00:09:17.960 the land of Israel all mediums and those who consult 210 00:09:17.960 --> 00:09:20.759 the spirits of the dead. The Philistines set up their 211 00:09:20.759 --> 00:09:24.240 camp at Shunem, and Saul gathered all the army of 212 00:09:24.279 --> 00:09:27.879 Israel and camped at Gilboa. When Saul saw the vast 213 00:09:27.879 --> 00:09:31.000 Philistine army, he became frantic with fear. He asked the 214 00:09:31.039 --> 00:09:32.639 Lord what he should do, but the Lord refused to 215 00:09:32.679 --> 00:09:35.519 answer him, either by dreams or by sacred lots, or 216 00:09:35.559 --> 00:09:39.240 by their prophets. So Saul then said to his advisors 217 00:09:39.240 --> 00:09:41.200 find a woman who is a medium, so I can 218 00:09:41.200 --> 00:09:44.480 go and ask her what to do? His advisers replied, 219 00:09:44.519 --> 00:09:47.600 there is a medium at endoor. So Saul disguised himself 220 00:09:47.600 --> 00:09:50.159 by wearing ordinary clothing instead of his royal robes, and 221 00:09:50.159 --> 00:09:52.480 then he went to the women's home at night, accompanied 222 00:09:52.480 --> 00:09:54.559 by two of his men. I have to talk to 223 00:09:54.600 --> 00:09:56.559 a man who has died, he said, Will you call 224 00:09:56.639 --> 00:09:58.879 up his spirit for me? Are you trying to get 225 00:09:58.879 --> 00:10:00.879 me killed? The woman demand, you know that Saul has 226 00:10:00.919 --> 00:10:03.559 outlawed all the mediums and all who consult the spirits 227 00:10:03.559 --> 00:10:05.480 of the dead. Why are you setting a trap for me? 228 00:10:06.200 --> 00:10:07.679 But Saul took an oath in the name of the 229 00:10:07.679 --> 00:10:09.960 Lord and promised, as surely as the Lord lives, nothing 230 00:10:10.000 --> 00:10:12.480 bad will happen to you for doing this. Finally, the 231 00:10:12.480 --> 00:10:14.279 woman said, well, whose spirit do you want me to 232 00:10:14.320 --> 00:10:18.240 call up? Call up Samuel, Saul replied, And when the 233 00:10:18.279 --> 00:10:22.000 woman saw Samuel, she screamed, you deceived me. You are Saul, 234 00:10:22.440 --> 00:10:24.639 don't be afraid. The king told her, what do you see? 235 00:10:25.039 --> 00:10:26.919 I see a god coming up out of the earth. 236 00:10:27.000 --> 00:10:30.480 She replied, what does he look like? Saul said, he's 237 00:10:30.519 --> 00:10:31.960 an old man wrapped in a robe. 238 00:10:32.000 --> 00:10:32.600 She replied. 239 00:10:32.919 --> 00:10:34.919 Saul realized it was Samuel, and he fell to the 240 00:10:34.919 --> 00:10:37.759 ground before him. Why have you disturbed me by calling 241 00:10:37.799 --> 00:10:41.200 me back, Samuel asked Saul, because I am in deep trouble. 242 00:10:41.600 --> 00:10:44.039 Saul replied, the Philistines are at war with me, and 243 00:10:44.080 --> 00:10:47.879 God has left me and won't reply by prophets or dreams, 244 00:10:47.879 --> 00:10:49.480 so I've called for you to tell me what to do. 245 00:10:50.080 --> 00:10:52.240 But Samuel replied, why ask me? Since the Lord has 246 00:10:52.320 --> 00:10:55.000 left you and has become your enemy. The Lord has 247 00:10:55.039 --> 00:10:57.279 done just as he said he would. He has torn 248 00:10:57.279 --> 00:10:59.639 the kingdom from you and given it to your rival, David. 249 00:11:00.000 --> 00:11:02.279 The Lord has done this to you today because you 250 00:11:02.360 --> 00:11:05.200 refuse to carry out his fierce anger against the Amalekites. 251 00:11:05.639 --> 00:11:08.080 What's more, the Lord will hand you and the army 252 00:11:08.120 --> 00:11:10.480 of Israel over to the Philistines tomorrow, and you and 253 00:11:10.519 --> 00:11:12.879 your sons will be here with me. The Lord will 254 00:11:12.879 --> 00:11:16.320 bring down the entire army of Israel and defeat Saul 255 00:11:16.320 --> 00:11:18.799 fell full length on the ground, paralyzed with fright because 256 00:11:18.799 --> 00:11:21.440 of Samuel's words. He was also faint with hunger, free 257 00:11:21.440 --> 00:11:23.759 to eating nothing all day and all night. When the 258 00:11:23.759 --> 00:11:26.399 woman saw how distraught he was, she said Sir, I 259 00:11:26.440 --> 00:11:28.600 obeyed your command at the risk of my life. Now 260 00:11:28.639 --> 00:11:29.799 do what I say, and let me give you a 261 00:11:29.799 --> 00:11:32.120 little something to eat so you can regain your strength. 262 00:11:31.799 --> 00:11:32.600 For the trip back. 263 00:11:33.240 --> 00:11:35.480 But Saul refused to eat anything. And then his advisers 264 00:11:35.519 --> 00:11:37.120 joined the woman and urging him to eat, so he 265 00:11:37.200 --> 00:11:39.399 finally yielded and got up from the ground and sat 266 00:11:39.399 --> 00:11:42.200 on the couch. And the woman had been fattening a calf, 267 00:11:42.320 --> 00:11:44.440 so she hurried out and killed it, and she took 268 00:11:44.519 --> 00:11:47.639 some flour and kneaded it into dough baked on leaven bread. 269 00:11:48.080 --> 00:11:50.080 She brought the meal to Sol and his advisers and 270 00:11:50.120 --> 00:11:52.279 they ate it, and then they went out into the night. 271 00:11:54.080 --> 00:11:54.840 There's a lot there. 272 00:11:55.000 --> 00:11:57.120 Okay, yeah, there's a lot there. 273 00:11:57.360 --> 00:12:05.279 And so first of all, Saul decides to do something 274 00:12:05.320 --> 00:12:08.960 that he knows is wrong. Right, let's just let's just 275 00:12:09.080 --> 00:12:12.960 uh right. So let's just start with the fact that 276 00:12:13.039 --> 00:12:18.279 Saul was so desperate to uh, you know, uh not 277 00:12:18.480 --> 00:12:21.840 do the right thing. Right. It's like it's almost like 278 00:12:22.279 --> 00:12:24.480 the last thing that Saul wants to do is repent. 279 00:12:25.159 --> 00:12:26.879 The last things all wants to do is fall to 280 00:12:26.879 --> 00:12:29.919 his knees and say, oh God, let me just do 281 00:12:30.000 --> 00:12:32.399 whatever it is that you will, you know, if it's 282 00:12:32.399 --> 00:12:34.360 your will that David should win, and let me just 283 00:12:34.399 --> 00:12:36.759 hand over the kingdom to David or whatever it is. 284 00:12:37.159 --> 00:12:39.279 But we don't see any evidence of that. The only 285 00:12:39.279 --> 00:12:41.720 thing we see is a couple chapters ago and a 286 00:12:41.759 --> 00:12:44.960 couple of podcasts ago. David comes out of the cave 287 00:12:45.399 --> 00:12:48.279 spares Saul's life, and Saul publicly says, oh, David, you're 288 00:12:48.320 --> 00:12:51.600 such a good guy. And then Saul basically says the 289 00:12:51.639 --> 00:12:55.240 same thing again because David refuses to kill him, and 290 00:12:55.279 --> 00:12:56.440 then all of a sudden, we launched it in the 291 00:12:56.440 --> 00:13:00.080 next chapter, and David's fearful of his life again and 292 00:13:00.120 --> 00:13:02.759 has to run into the Philistine camp or the cities 293 00:13:02.960 --> 00:13:07.759 right of Gath. So it almost seems like the last 294 00:13:07.799 --> 00:13:10.200 thing that Saul actually wants to do is to do 295 00:13:10.279 --> 00:13:13.720 what is right, and he's so desperate to do anything, 296 00:13:14.320 --> 00:13:17.960 and he's so mournful. He's mournful because he no longer 297 00:13:18.000 --> 00:13:21.679 has God's blessings in his life. He's so sorry that 298 00:13:21.720 --> 00:13:26.080 he doesn't have favor. He's so sad that David has favor. 299 00:13:26.559 --> 00:13:29.440 It's almost like he has all the head knowledge of 300 00:13:30.039 --> 00:13:33.279 Christianity and of God and of church culture that be 301 00:13:33.360 --> 00:13:36.879 us today. Right, But yet he fails to understand the 302 00:13:36.919 --> 00:13:40.600 one thing that God wants, which is just complete and 303 00:13:40.679 --> 00:13:45.039 utter surrender of your will and the consulting directly to God. 304 00:13:45.639 --> 00:13:47.919 But there's no evidence of that. We don't see anything 305 00:13:47.960 --> 00:13:51.080 where Saul falls to his knees and says, God, please 306 00:13:51.919 --> 00:13:54.440 help me and forgive me of everything that I've ever done. 307 00:13:54.559 --> 00:13:57.200 Yeah, in Saul's life, it was only ever about him, 308 00:13:57.399 --> 00:13:58.399 it was never about God. 309 00:13:58.440 --> 00:13:59.879 And so even God was a tool. 310 00:14:00.240 --> 00:14:03.720 Yeah, right, God was a tool for Saul. And then 311 00:14:03.759 --> 00:14:05.399 when God finally said, Hey, I'm not going to talk 312 00:14:05.399 --> 00:14:09.840 to you anymore, You're you're not getting any any indication 313 00:14:10.039 --> 00:14:11.639 of what you should do next. I'm not going to 314 00:14:11.679 --> 00:14:13.600 send you any prophets. I'm not going to answer any 315 00:14:13.639 --> 00:14:15.840 of your dreams. I'm not gonna you know, the the 316 00:14:15.879 --> 00:14:19.279 casting of the lots was the was it the it 317 00:14:19.320 --> 00:14:23.679 was a priestly garments, remember them? 318 00:14:23.679 --> 00:14:25.039 And the thumbum? Is that what it was called? 319 00:14:25.399 --> 00:14:29.720 I think there's notes here in the and and so. 320 00:14:29.720 --> 00:14:32.720 So sometimes they would do, uh, it's almost like a 321 00:14:32.799 --> 00:14:36.960 rolling of the dice, just kind of a well we 322 00:14:37.080 --> 00:14:39.080 have this option or this option which one? 323 00:14:39.519 --> 00:14:39.720 Right? 324 00:14:40.360 --> 00:14:42.960 So even then God wouldn't give any guide He wouldn't 325 00:14:42.960 --> 00:14:47.000 give them any guidance at all, Saul. And so Saul 326 00:14:47.000 --> 00:14:50.000 decides he's going to go to a witch. He's going 327 00:14:50.080 --> 00:14:53.759 to go to sometimes she's called the witch of Indoor, right, 328 00:14:54.000 --> 00:14:58.879 or or this medium. And it's really amazing because early 329 00:14:58.960 --> 00:15:02.840 in his in his life leadership, he banned all witches, 330 00:15:03.240 --> 00:15:05.600 all sorcerers, all wizards. 331 00:15:05.120 --> 00:15:06.679 All mediums. He banned them all. 332 00:15:07.519 --> 00:15:12.279 And then, hey, isn't Endoor in Return of the Jedi? 333 00:15:12.919 --> 00:15:14.519 Isn't that where the Ewoks were? 334 00:15:15.679 --> 00:15:15.960 Was it? 335 00:15:16.600 --> 00:15:18.399 I think that was the planet of Endor? 336 00:15:18.600 --> 00:15:24.480 Yeah, well, sorry about maybe maybe they borrow interrupt thought, 337 00:15:24.600 --> 00:15:25.559 maybe they borrowed that. 338 00:15:25.600 --> 00:15:27.720 From this this name? 339 00:15:27.879 --> 00:15:29.320 What planets? 340 00:15:30.759 --> 00:15:31.759 You gotta be kidding me? 341 00:15:31.840 --> 00:15:33.120 Were the ewoks on? 342 00:15:33.639 --> 00:15:34.120 Okay? 343 00:15:37.279 --> 00:15:40.399 It was Endoor, the forest, the forest Moon of Endor. 344 00:15:40.639 --> 00:15:42.960 It's such a good name. So that that's what happened. 345 00:15:44.080 --> 00:15:47.919 So and then he did that, he banned all of them, 346 00:15:47.960 --> 00:15:50.039 not just because it was a political move, but because 347 00:15:50.480 --> 00:15:54.080 in in Deuteronomy and in Exodus, it made it really clear, one, 348 00:15:54.159 --> 00:15:58.679 you don't consult witches and mediums. You don't go and 349 00:15:59.559 --> 00:16:02.320 fuller with witchcraft at all. As a matter of fact, 350 00:16:02.320 --> 00:16:05.080 when it came to two sorcerers and witches, they were 351 00:16:05.080 --> 00:16:07.120 supposed to be put to death. It was a death penalty. 352 00:16:07.240 --> 00:16:11.120 Yeah, yeah, specifically outlying anyone who consults with the dead 353 00:16:11.159 --> 00:16:14.919 Deuteronomy eighteen and Extodus twenty two. Right, And you know 354 00:16:14.960 --> 00:16:19.519 what's so interesting is that something that may get overlooked here, 355 00:16:19.759 --> 00:16:24.120 but it says that the woman shrieked when she saw Saul, right, 356 00:16:24.519 --> 00:16:28.080 and so people or excuse me, sorry Samuel, then she 357 00:16:28.159 --> 00:16:28.840 realized it was Saul. 358 00:16:28.919 --> 00:16:29.159 Right. 359 00:16:29.960 --> 00:16:33.799 But people often have asked me over the years and said, wow, 360 00:16:33.879 --> 00:16:36.799 I guess this woman did have power. And if she 361 00:16:36.919 --> 00:16:39.879 has power, that's outside of God, like you know, satanic power, 362 00:16:40.200 --> 00:16:42.480 forces of evil power, you know those kinds of things, 363 00:16:42.639 --> 00:16:46.000 anything outside of God. You know, how could she call 364 00:16:46.080 --> 00:16:50.440 up Samuel? But yet she shrieked when she saw Samuel. 365 00:16:51.080 --> 00:16:54.360 And I have to believe that it was a combination 366 00:16:54.679 --> 00:16:58.960 of this was different. I believe that God probably used 367 00:16:59.000 --> 00:17:01.600 in my opinion and say so, but in my opinion, 368 00:17:01.639 --> 00:17:04.680 I believe that God probably used something bad or evil 369 00:17:05.279 --> 00:17:08.680 and decided to use this for good. And I think 370 00:17:08.680 --> 00:17:11.759 that God was the one that brought back Samuel. Yeah, 371 00:17:11.839 --> 00:17:14.319 because because I don't think that this. I think it's 372 00:17:14.599 --> 00:17:18.079 way too much credit to give to this woman, even 373 00:17:18.119 --> 00:17:22.079 if she did have powers of darkness, uh, to accomplish this, 374 00:17:22.480 --> 00:17:25.640 you know, to actually get a hold of Samuel and 375 00:17:25.640 --> 00:17:29.519 and you know the Samuel from you know Heaven, you know, 376 00:17:29.839 --> 00:17:33.640 eternity with God and uh. Yeah. So I just believe 377 00:17:33.680 --> 00:17:36.400 the reason why she probably shrieked is because she probably 378 00:17:36.440 --> 00:17:37.640 wasn't used to what she just saw. 379 00:17:37.799 --> 00:17:40.880 Oh absolutely, she she was, like you know, she was. 380 00:17:41.000 --> 00:17:43.039 She would have been accustomed to the demons that brought 381 00:17:43.079 --> 00:17:45.519 her messages and all of a sudden to see the 382 00:17:45.599 --> 00:17:48.440 real Samuel would have freaked her out right, even even 383 00:17:48.440 --> 00:17:50.839 in that level. So yeah, I think that you know, 384 00:17:50.920 --> 00:17:54.279 when when you're dealing with people that are fooling around 385 00:17:54.279 --> 00:17:57.240 with witchcraft, there are the ones who fool around with 386 00:17:57.319 --> 00:17:58.480 it they don't really know what they're doing. 387 00:17:58.559 --> 00:18:00.839 But there's the others. You know. I was just in. 388 00:18:00.759 --> 00:18:05.440 Togo and Benin, where voodoo is the national religion, and 389 00:18:06.200 --> 00:18:09.200 it's very very real. The kind of witchcraft that they're doing, 390 00:18:09.200 --> 00:18:11.799 and there's a lot of that kind of stuff is 391 00:18:11.880 --> 00:18:14.799 very real. But they know that they're dealing with demons, 392 00:18:15.359 --> 00:18:17.640 right They're trying to appease the demons. They're trying to 393 00:18:17.640 --> 00:18:20.599 get the demons to do them favors, and they know 394 00:18:20.680 --> 00:18:22.759 that they're dealing with demons. And this woman would have 395 00:18:22.799 --> 00:18:25.519 known the same thing. Right, So people working witchcraft, they 396 00:18:25.599 --> 00:18:28.839 know that they're dealing with demons. They might lie to 397 00:18:28.920 --> 00:18:30.680 you and tell you, oh, this is a good thing, 398 00:18:30.720 --> 00:18:33.000 not a bad thing. But that's what Satan does. Satan's 399 00:18:33.039 --> 00:18:35.720 the father of lies. Everything he does is always a 400 00:18:35.720 --> 00:18:38.240 twist of the truth. He never tells the truth. He 401 00:18:38.559 --> 00:18:40.920