Travis Bader: I've lost track of the number of times I've sat around a
campfire and discussed with others strange things that we've heard, things that
we've seen that we just can't explain.
Case in point, there's a video I'm playing right now, if you're watching
this instead of listening, of Unidentified object flying in the air.
This video was taken by a friend, highly reputable, and is going to be
referenced later on in the podcast.
These odd phenomena may have a simple explanation and it may
just elude us at this time.
But it drove me to want to investigate a little bit deeper.
And this was the advent of today's podcast.
We're joined today by a fellow who's dedicated so much time and energy
to Helping people understand things that are beyond comprehension.
If you haven't already heard of today's guest, I would highly recommend.
Check out the links in the bio it's area 52 and with Christmas just around
the corner, if you haven't found that certain gift for that special someone,
or maybe you're looking for something for yourself, there's links in the bio should
be a link up top here somewhere as well.
The Silvercore club is specifically designed to help get you outside safely,
comfortably, and allow you to deepen your connection with the natural environment.
Without further ado, let's get on with the podcast.
I'm joined today by a master of mystery and exploration, someone who's
captivated millions with his sleight of hand, his deep dives into the world's
most intricate puzzles, and now his exploration of the unknown with Area 52.
Whether it's unlocking the secrets of a puzzle box, performing impossible
feats of magic, or delving into the mysteries of UAPs and consciousness,
his work challenges us to see the world.
Differently.
Welcome to the Silvercore podcast, Chris Ramsey.
Chris Ramsay: Thank you so much for that introduction.
My goodness.
I didn't know you were going that hard in the paint.
That is a much appreciated.
Travis Bader: We've got to start it off.
Right.
You know, you
Chris Ramsay: got a good reading voice too.
I mean, your audience knows this already, but yeah, very soothing.
Travis Bader: You know, the, the number one comment that I get back
regarding my voice is, uh, what is it?
Uh, Neil deGrasse Tyson.
They say I sound like a white Neil deGrasse Tyson.
Chris Ramsay: Yeah.
Like a Canadian version.
I don't wait.
Is he Canadian?
He's not Canadian.
Is he?
Travis Bader: I don't know.
Um, I honestly don't know.
I should look into it, but, uh, yeah, I've heard that one.
Yeah.
So I've, I've been following you for a while.
Um, so when I was a kid, my very first job was performing magic.
I, yeah, yeah.
I started grade four.
I learned how to pick locks in grade four.
I love the puzzle of picking locks and getting into things
that I really shouldn't be into.
And I started doing magic then as well and did that grade
four, grade five, grade six.
And, Then moved on to mowing lawns and washing cars and
delivering papers and all the rest.
But, uh, I've always kind of had that little bit of interest into
the world of magic and your.
That's where you started.
You started with that with YouTube, didn't you?
Chris Ramsay: Yep.
Absolutely.
Got into that, uh, I think maybe a dozen years ago now.
Um, you know, I've been much like you and I think like a lot of young
boys, especially like we're for some reason attracted to being a spy
or, you know, a superhero of sorts and, you know, most of the time.
We outgrow that.
Uh, not my case, we're still, we're still, you know, uh, still, still attracted to
that in some way, you know, but that's also the reason why we'd like these
type of movies and why we like imagining ourselves in these precarious positions.
Uh, you know, You know, um, or, or why we have this affinity for these gadgets, you
know, like, uh, these little intricate electronics or, or every day carry it.
I think it all stems back to like our childhood dream of becoming a spy or
some, you know, secret government project of human enhancement or something.
Like it's, it's what we all really want.
You know, and then we settle for life, but like, if somebody came
out of the shadows, it was like, Mr.
Ramsey.
You know, I'm, I'm in the CIA come with us.
I'd be like, I drop everything.
A
Travis Bader: hundred percent.
I'm on board.
Let's go.
Chris Ramsay: So that's, I think that's where the love of, you know,
magic comes from for me is like being able to sort of in a way be a spy,
be, you know, pretend to be something I'm not, uh, and get away with it.
And there's something really cool about that and very fun
and like exhilarating about it.
Travis Bader: I heard that when you go traveling, you will do your
best to To impersonate the, the language as best as possible, to
see if someone calls you out or not.
Chris Ramsay: Yeah.
I've done it a bunch of times, especially like in England.
Uh, in those places.
Um, yeah, absolutely.
I think it's, you know, it's, it's just like my fun little game
that I'm like, well, you know, there are, and, and obviously.
They believe no matter what you say, no matter how bizarre your accent is, they'll
just say, Oh, he was, you know, he was raised in a strange household, I guess.
But, you know, it's just like this fun little game, but again, not
too far from being a magician.
You know, we're pretending to do magic is what we're doing.
Uh, so I think, uh, the same time, the truer I am to that
fiction, the more immersive the experience is for the audience.
Uh, if I don't commit fully to, you know, such a.
Uh, a persona that will be sensed by the audience and therefore
the magic won't play as well.
And so I think, you know, it's, it's a magician's job to, again, we're not
lying if we're true to our fiction.
So we're both aware that magic isn't real.
So let's get that out of the way.
Now I'm going to pretend to be a magician instead of actually convincing
you that I have magic powers, right?
Which is a no, no.
So it's, there's this like balancing act, but it does come down to, I
think, um, a bit of a perf, uh, like it's a performance art and you have
to fully commit with these things.
Travis Bader: See, that was my, from an outsider's perspective looking in, I
wouldn't have put two and two together about being the James Bond sleuth spy.
Uh, but I see it now when I look at your work and I see, I definitely see that.
Uh, but the thing that jumps out to me is that you're an artist first and foremost.
Chris Ramsay: Yeah, there's a, there's definitely, there's definitely like,
yeah, I mean, I think I, I'm just someone who selfishly needs to create.
Um, you know, and that's always, always, always, always been a, you know, a problem
and a gift or like whatever it is, it's, it's been, but it's been a reality for me.
And I think for a lot of creatives out there, you probably yourself included,
um, there's just that unrelenting, unrelenting, Uh, need to create, to,
to, to express yourself selfishly, uh, in a weird way, you know what I mean?
And that's why like, I have a hard time accepting, you know, some forms of
compliments when it comes to my stuff.
Cause some people are like, Oh, you know, you helped me out during a rough
time or, you know, I turned to your videos during COVID or whatever it was.
Right.
And.
For myself, I'm like, cool.
And I appreciate that and truly am like appreciative of that type of energy.
But at the same time, I have a hard time accepting a compliment like that.
Cause like for me, the main goal wasn't to inspire you.
The main goal was to share what I'm passionate about.
In a selfish, creative way, because that's all I want to do.
The side effect is helping people out, which I love.
I love that that's the side effect.
But I will never say, like, that's why I do it, for people like you.
Like, I, I just don't, I'm, I'm selfish.
I, I do it because I feel a creative need.
I have to get it out, you know?
And that's just the way it is.
Travis Bader: Are you emotionally invested in the things that you create
to the point where if it doesn't hit the way that you figure it should,
that, uh, that starts changing how you'll create the next one or.
Chris Ramsay: Yeah, yes, yes.
And no, like there is a line that you have to separate yourself
from, I think, from your content.
Uh, you know, your content as much as it is an extension of
who you are and your expression.
You also have to remember that, you know, I'm doing it for me.
I'm literally doing this for me.
I'm doing this because I enjoy it because it brings me joy.
Yes.
Okay.
You know, uh, success will come from it or, you know, all these other cool things.
But like, the main thing is, is like, I have to really enjoy this.
And so I think once you have that, it becomes a lot easier to accept criticism
because you're like, sometimes, you know, and sometimes I'm like, when a
lot of people say things, I'm like, okay, I guess I didn't see it like that.
And, you know, okay, maybe it was something to think about.
But most of the times I'm just delusional and I'll just be like, just wait.
You don't understand the full vision yet.
That's why you're, you're saying this, you know?
So I do have that side of me as well.
But, um, yeah, I think as I grow older, I try not to put as much value on the.
Comments of others when it comes to my own art, I just think that
the more you do that, the more you stray from your own path.
And that can be positive criticism as well.
You know, it's not just simply all the negative stuff, but sometimes,
you know, when people are like, do this again, or keep doing this,
that will also shape your path.
And I, you know, for me, it's very important that I follow that
initial vision that I had, which got me here in the first place.
Um, because I, I have found myself.
Being detracted and, you know, onto listening to what people want.
And then eventually all I'm doing is like feeding this monster.
Totally.
Uh, so, you know, it's, it's important to really just, you know,
make yourself happy in the process.
Travis Bader: So when you say that success will follow, you go out, you
follow your passion, success will follow.
And I believe that.
And I've always said that.
I mean, if you chase money, You're always going to be chasing money.
You're always going to be behind it.
If you chase fame, you're always going to be behind it.
It's just like, I want to be happy.
Well, you're presupposing you aren't and you're chasing something.
Um, what is success look like to you?
You know,
Chris Ramsay: um, I don't, I don't think there's a goal, you know, I
don't think there's an end goal.
In that sense, I never really had an end goal.
Um, I, you know, the cliche thing would be to like, the journey
is the destination type deal.
Like that's, that's the, that's the whole point of this.
And you know, there's, there's a lot, there's a lot to think about, especially
in recent years when, you know, I've gained, uh, a certain type of, Uh,
success due to the work that I did, uh, monetarily, but also like, you know,
I'll travel, I'll get like the cool experiences and all these other things.
And at the end of the day, you're still wanting, right?
You're still wanting.
So it's like, what are, what am I wanting then?
Like, what is there to attain?
Like in, I guess there's more, I guess there's more, but at the end
of the day, you really have to be sort of happy with the little things.
And, you know, like, like you said, You can chase that money, but,
you know, for me, I have a lot of fun just doing what it is I do.
And then when I, when I'm in it, I'm enjoying it.
I'm I'm in that.
And for me, that's the whole point.
Um, because other than that, I'm just going to keep chasing the next thing.
And I'm, I'm kind of sick of it.
I'm kind of, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm sick of that being,
being in that hamster wheel.
And just, I just want to make cool shit.
That's basically
Travis Bader: it.
All right.
I can see that, you know, it was, uh, famously Rockefeller was quoted, uh,
reporter says, man, you got so much money.
How much more do you need?
And he says, 1 more.
Yeah.
Right.
It's stuck in that.
What, just one more, just one more.
Yeah.
And you can bury him with all that
Chris Ramsay: money too, at the end of the day, you know, that's it.
What do you got?
Yeah.
There's that, there's that old joke where like this, the widow, you know,
she was like, uh, the husband was like greedy and he's like, I want
you to bury me with all my money.
Yeah.
And so she signed a check in his coffin and was like, you
can cash it whenever you want.
Travis Bader: Yeah.
Yeah.
It's about as worthless as that is.
Yeah.
Money has always been an interesting thing for me, you know, growing up,
didn't have much and, uh, always.
Yeah.
And, uh, I, um, it's, I I've never placed much value in it.
I, the more I build, the more I have, it's like that fight club
thing, what you own owns you, right?
The more things that you, um, acquire and I've, you know, growing up,
I was always a bit of a hoarder.
Cause like I got something, I worked so hard to get it and I got to hold
onto this thing and I can't let it go.
And, um, it was funny recently.
I was actually a couple of days ago cleaning out some old books.
I came up with a few here.
Uh, From when I was performing magic secrets, Houdini.
Um, Magic with cards.
I don't know if you've seen any of these ones.
Um, Mark Wilson's complete course in magic.
Have you seen these ones before?
I've not, no, these are new to me.
Magic digest.
This was, this was, these were my Bibles when I was a kid.
101 amazing magic tricks.
Wow.
This is great.
But here's one that, uh, you might actually know.
Um, it's called, um, Magic is dead.
There you go, my buddy, Ian.
Yeah.
Tell me about that one.
That's kind of a neat one.
Chris Ramsay: Yeah, that's a fun, uh, this is a fun period of my life where,
um, you know, everything was, it was at the height of like the magic stuff,
not only for myself, but I think for magic, uh, in general online, well,
niches in general, I think about.
2017, 2016 to 2019 was a bit of a, um, I would say just for every single
niche was everything was blown up.
Everything, you could look at every niche and it was just, you know, whether it
was kendama or whether it was any other skill based hobby or anything at all,
the niches were just growing and magic was really gaining a lot of popularity.
And during that time.
Uh, I'd go to this convention in Blackpool, England, a
real shithole of a place.
And sorry, shout out to people who live in Blackpool, but you know what I mean.
It's like, it's like if Chernobyl and Vegas had a baby.
It's really bizarre and depressing.
Um, a lot of crime, just gross.
Anyways, um, sorry to all the black people.
You know what I'm saying though, right?
As a tourist, like you understand.
So anyways, there's this convention there that, that houses about 4, 000 magicians.
The biggest magic convention in the world is held in this beautiful hall in
Blackpool, um, and the winter gardens.
It's just absolutely beautiful.
And I had a friend, well, who's now a friend, but a person reached out to
me, Ian Fresh, who is a journalist.
And he was writing a story.
I pitched him on this, but basically, a story for Wired magazine, Um,
about this secret organization within magic, this sort of, I guess,
brotherhood or fraternity of, uh, magicians, uh, known as the 52.
And, um, it was something I was a part of along with a bunch of other magicians.
And we wouldn't really share, you know, anything about it.
And he thought, man, this is a really cool story.
This is like, you know, underground magic stuff.
And I was like, yeah.
And I'm like, this stuff is cool.
Like if you're coming in from the outside, look, going to a magic convention,
you're probably like, what is that even?
Right.
So, um, you know, but it's just like any other conventions, people selling
things, buying things and, you know, trading information and just, you know,
Being really passionate about, you know, what it is they love and sharing that.
So I bring him along and he starts writing this story and we did some
really amazing things to this guy.
Uh, by the end of which, like we said, we're going to turn
this guy into a magician.
Like we felt it, he got the bug and sure enough, he did
start practicing after that.
And, um, yeah, we did things to him that like, I mean, I ended up paying
for a A bar tab with napkins, uh, which like kind of blew his mind.
Um, and we got into, yeah, we got into another, we got into a club, um, which
had like a massive lineup on the outside.
And I got 20 magicians in all dudes, like no curls in front
of that line by doing magic.
And then like, I remember at one point, it was such a cool like
culmination of everything, but the, uh, we had a photographer with us
who had this, you know, big camera with a flashbulb and whatever.
And, uh, we get into the club, it's jam packed.
There's like a dance floor.
Then there's the bar.
There's the VIP section, which was like roped off and wasn't really open.
And I was like, all right, camera guy, follow me.
I want you to follow me through the dance floor and just like snap
pictures of me with a flash on and he's like, he's like, all right, but
he's like, my card's full right now.
I was like, don't, don't matter.
Just doesn't even have to be pictures and I'll put my hood on.
You just follow me down through.
So we did this, everybody.
Dance floor turning around and be like, what the hell's going on here?
And you see a guy trying to hide his face, get through, we get to the bar.
We're like, we got to open that VIP section immediately.
They're like, no problem, sir.
They opened the VIP set, they give us bottle service, you know?
And so it was all these like really cool events.
He was documenting this the whole time.
And he's like, dude, I think there's a book here.
And then he, uh, you know, he, he, he made, um, magic is dead, which is the
catchphrase of a buddy of mine, Daniel Madison, and, um, a magician as well.
And he wrote that book about his experience and journey into the 52, where
he eventually ended up becoming a member.
Travis Bader: Yeah.
Yeah.
That's pretty cool.
Yeah.
The, uh, the proper application of subterfuge to, uh, to get yourself
into a, a nightclub that's, um.
Chris Ramsay: Yeah.
We use that stuff all the time and that's what's really cool about hanging
around magicians is like you finally.
Get to see, um, the cool side of magic rather than the hokey,
you know, hokeyness of it.
Yeah.
Travis Bader: Well, like the, I like the context of it all.
And then of course, magic isn't dead, but it's just what magic was, is
dead compared to what magic is now.
And I think it's making a, uh, Uh, it is pushing people's boundaries while
knowing we're gonna push your boundaries.
Yeah.
We're, we're gonna fool you.
It isn't actually a black art, but, um, yeah.
And you're using social media to be able to, to push that forward.
Exactly, yeah.
In a way that people haven't in the past.
Mm-hmm . You've been vocal on, uh, social media, even vocal on YouTube
about some of the, uh, the struggles of, uh, um, of being a creator and then
getting locked into these algorithms.
Mm-hmm . What works one day doesn't work the next.
And, uh, how engagement, uh, you can hit all over, but the actual engagement
is, is, uh, not where it should be.
Uh, I thought that was kind of an interesting, um, a couple of talks
that I've seen you give on that, uh, what, what spurred that and
what are your thoughts on that now?
Chris Ramsay: Um, I mean, what spurred it, I think is, is this again,
there was, there was the height of.
You know, these niches where everybody thrived.
And this isn't me blaming anything.
I'm just kind of like, uh, this is my observation recently of, of,
you know, what the environment was.
And so there was this where everybody thrived and then all of a sudden like,
um, short form content became, uh, particularly popular, namely TikTok.
Right.
And all of a sudden we see that TikTok became the niche.
Right.
So it was far easier for this 12 year old kid to make TikTok his niche hobby
than learning car tricks, spending five years becoming good at something.
Right.
So he could instantly gain so much praise, you know, from one video, just.
Popping on the algorithm and, and that was enough to make him addicted
to that feeling of uploading and getting that positive feedback
versus having to put the work in and earn that positive feedback, right?
Which is every skill based niche, really, because you could, you know, you could
upload your videos prior to that for years and no one would bat an eye until
you did something original or worthwhile.
But the way the algorithm, you know, is made, it's made to.
Every now and then, give you a little nugget.
Shoot you off into the, so that you're addicted to this, you know, feeling of,
uh, validation, external validation.
Yeah, exactly.
They give you a free crack rock and you're like, Ooh, you know, feeling good.
Kind of, kind of what it is, you know, you'll be back for more.
And, um, and so, yeah, it was just easier for, I think a lot of
people to make TikTok Their hobby.
And that stole from everyone that stole from everyone.
And I'm not bitter about it.
I'm like, that's the way that people want to be.
That's cool.
But it did, it did end up taking, you know, away attention from.
You know, yo yoing from, you know, uh, painting vehicles from everything,
because it's much easier now to just make a video talking about the basics of
it and get a million views or to react to something that somebody else did.
And rather than putting the work in, you're going to get
way more praise that way.
It's much easier to be popular that way.
Uh, so, you know, naturally that sucked away from, from all the niches.
Thus, we start seeing the You know, um, the effect of that on YouTube,
obviously in long form content, um, myself and other creators have seen it.
And, you know, so that was my way of sort of vocalizing to keep up with
that, with this demand, this incredible.
Intake and output of content, uh, this churning of content, really this feeding
the monster, um, you know, that, that was really, really difficult and it
started taking a toll, um, because you want to keep that level of production.
You want to keep that, keep up that level of interest in the sort of zeitgeist
in the, in the, you know, in that area.
And so to, to do, to do that, you're having to produce better content.
More regularly, which eventually just becomes extremely exhausting, you know?
And so you hire people around you to help you do that.
But then at the end of the day, now you're just, your overhead's crazy.
You're, you're having to pump out multiple videos that are.
You know, original enough to gain some type of traction
on the algorithm, uh, weekly.
And, you know, you're having to do this over and over and over.
Eventually your creativity starts to wean, you start losing interest yourself
because there's really nothing in it for you other than just making this work.
And now I'm having to provide for other people's families
because I'm locked into this.
And so now I have a small business that I have to run with employees.
And, um, and you know, so first of all, my heart goes out to anyone who's got a
business out there, small business owners.
It's tough to have that type of responsibility to, to have, you
know, To take care of other people's families and they're counting on you.
You know what I mean?
So there's that, that pressure as well.
Um, and on top of that, you yourself are the product, right?
Which is a very strange, strange thing that I have to put out there.
I constantly have to market myself.
You know, if I put a hat up on Instagram, it'll sell a lot less than if I take a
picture of me wearing the hat, right?
So there's, there's this constant.
Uh, need, even if you don't feel like it to put yourself in front of a camera.
And I can understand someone not wanting to do that all the time, right?
We don't always feel like we're at our best or, you know, sometimes we just
feel off or we feel like, you know, maybe I just don't want to be in front
of a camera or say how I feel today.
And so then you're having to put a face on and you're having
to, and it just, it accumulates.
And I did, I've been doing this for 10 years and, you know, so thousands
of videos are being pumped out.
Where I have to be this forward facing positive energy that talks
about things that don't matter.
Mmm.
Right?
And, and pretend they matter to me when they're mattering less and less, in fact.
Travis Bader: Interesting.
Chris Ramsay: Yeah.
And so you get to, you get to a, uh, a critical mass.
You get to a point where you're just like, Hey, I, I really have to
step back for my own mental health.
And you know, that has just been my experience.
I know that other people have different experiences with social
media, and I do know that a lot of people suffer in different
ways from the offset of, you know.
social media, whether it's, you know, online bullying or like, whatever it is,
there's, there's all, there's a plethora of problems that this causes in society.
And so that was my way of just sort of addressing that and
making people realize that.
Even people who post things like myself are, are not immune to, you know,
feeling that way and it, I, and, and also being aware that I know me saying
this surrounded by, you know, all this money, you know, or like things like it
look, it sounds like I'm hypocritical and I understand the way that that
looks, but I still, you know, in spite of that, want to, um, still express my.
You know, uh, mental state in regards to all this because it's, uh, it's,
it's tough in its own way and everybody struggles in their own way, you know,
and sort of, it was just that, that's it.
It was just like my honest take on this and now, um, I still feel the same way,
but I've learned to do something and, you know, Completely shift my content into
something else that I'm passionate about.
And it sort of reinvigorated my love for cinema, reinvigorated
my love for storytelling.
Um, and I'm really, really psyched on it and I spend, you know, a lot
of time and I really feel like this is the genesis of something great.
And I feel the way I felt at the beginning of creating content again.
Well,
Travis Bader: that's cool.
Chris Ramsay: It's cool.
But I'm also cognizant that maybe this isn't the solution to these
symptoms, you know, maybe, maybe the right play isn't to just start
over, but it feels good, you know?
Yeah.
Travis Bader: Yeah.
It's when you, when you have something that you're passionate about and you
turn that into a business, then you have to chase those aspects of that business
because they need attention that you might not be quite as passionate about.
And unfortunately, as it grows, like you say, you get that overhead, you
get other people working with you.
How many people are on your team right now?
Chris Ramsay: So we used to be, uh, I think seven total.
And now we're down to like three.
I had to, I had to lay people off, but you know, I did it in a way.
I was actually really proud of this.
And while it wasn't, it was just something I had to do, but, um, I had
kept Uh, some money aside for that event so that it wouldn't come to a point
where I just laid everybody off and everybody would be kind of like screwed.
Uh, so everybody left with, you know, a healthy, uh, severance and,
uh, it was, it was on good terms.
Um, and I still contract those people today.
So it's like, technically they're actually making more money than
they ever have because they got the severance plus the contract.
Right.
Um, but that was the idea for me.
It was very important to really take care of those around me first and foremost.
And I did want to be in a position where I couldn't do that anymore.
So before it got to that point, I wanted to have that difficult talk, you
know, and get that, uh, get that done.
Yeah.
Travis Bader: I think that speaks volumes to your character and you know, it also
speaks to something that I've, I believe firmly in, in that business is personal
people like, oh, it's just business.
It's not personal.
Well, no, it's business.
Built off of relationships, those relationships take time to establish.
It takes trust.
I, I think if you're going to have a long term business, something that's
going to stand the test of time.
Yeah.
Business is personal.
Um, and you know, the, the values that you've displayed and things
like that will obviously heed you well, as you move into the future.
Um, I remember at one point you put out, and this is going back a little
bit, but you put out a trick that, uh, uh, you put time, money, energy in,
got ready to sell it and had to pull it from the shelves because people
said, that's too close to my trick.
And you could have taken any number of routes on that one.
And.
Do you want to talk about that one?
Chris Ramsay: Yeah.
I mean, yeah, there's nothing really much to add to that, but yeah, I, I, I
did disagree a little bit with how close it was, I think, to the other product.
But I think if someone feels, you know, it's, I just don't want
to deal with, uh, the fallout.
Um, I'd rather, again, it's like, what's worth more to me, you know,
some money Or a relationship, you know, and, and it's just an
Travis Bader: easy call.
I get it.
Um, yeah, I guess one last little thing on the magic side, I'll chat about,
and then segues into something else and then get into the meat and potatoes of
what I really want to talk about here.
But, uh, you know, as, as a kid, uh, grade four, five, six, I'd perform magic for
other kids, birthday parties, kids who are like grade two, grade three, around there.
And, um, I found that, uh, Between that and the chemistry, because I
thought chemistry was pretty cool.
If I can make ink disappearing ink with phenolphthalein solution, or if
I can make things blow up with stuff I find underneath my kitchen sink,
I mean, I was pretty jazzed, right?
So between those, those couple of, uh, passions.
Chris Ramsay: Spice shit.
Totally.
Yeah.
Travis Bader: Yeah.
And I mean, like my father used to bring back, uh, briefcases.
He was working for a coordinated law enforcement unit.
They call it clue at the time and, uh, doing all the sneaky peeky stuff.
I'm like, it's a phone and it fits in the briefcase.
Are you kidding me?
This thing's cool.
And, uh, But, um, or, or the night vision or the, or the different things,
but I would advertise in the local paper, uh, one time the school says,
um, I went to about seven, I think six, seven, eight different schools.
Uh, I think you went to a number as well, which is kind of where this is the segue
to, but one of them was a private school.
It's supposed to help kids who are pretty hyper off the walls, troublesome,
getting everything but schooling.
And as a sales pitch, they had a bunch of parents coming in and they
were going to show the best of the best and showcase the kids playing
the violin and doing their talents.
I'm like, this is perfect.
I could totally network with all these other adults who have kids, and this
will be a perfect market for my, my magic act and school wouldn't let me perform.
And so I fought and I pushed it.
And finally they said, Okay.
Tell you what, I don't know if we can trust you up here in front of all the
parents about doing something weird, but, um, we'll put, if you agree to having an
assistant, have the grade D three teachers stand beside you as you do your magic act.
Then we'll let you go up there and do it.
All right.
Fair enough.
And this grade three teacher, she, uh, in my young mind thought she didn't
like me and was out to sabotage me and sure enough, each and every trick that
a young magician can do for an audience won't look the same for the person
standing right beside you or behind you.
And she ruined each one of my tricks and I'd never, I've been known as a
guy to swear or to use foul language, but that changed in front of all of
those prospective parents that day.
Uh huh.
Yeah.
But.
Chris Ramsay: Rough.
Travis Bader: Rough.
Yeah, but I guess,
Chris Ramsay: uh, deter you from pursuing magic
Travis Bader: that didn't.
I had a, uh, a couple of acts that I wasn't proud of when I
went through, cause I just didn't practice enough ahead of time.
It was like disappearing water.
I did some, the card tricks with the kids didn't go super great
unless they're super visual.
So I guess the Bengali deck or whatever, just something that's just.
Uh, right out there.
And I just, uh, I got involved with, uh, army cadets and that took most
of my time afterwards and then, and, uh, uh, I guess just moved in a bit
different direction, but you know, um, that's a roundabout way of talking
about, uh, moving between different schools and some difficulties I had.
And I understand, I think you beat me.
I think you're what, 12 schools that you went to?
Chris Ramsay: Something like that.
Yeah.
Travis Bader: Yeah, what, no, I didn't move around.
It wasn't by my choice that I was moving between schools.
Yeah,
Chris Ramsay: it wasn't my choice either.
Okay.
Well, except one of them, one of them was for basketball.
Um, but other than that, uh, yeah, my, my dad's in the military.
So, you know, we moved around quite a bit.
Uh, born in Germany, moved back and forth in Canada.
I don't know, half a dozen times.
I don't even know.
I'd have to like, I have to actively like go back in my memory and like
count, but it's like, it's a lot.
And then, you know, throughout Canada as well, moved in, uh, several military
bases and just always lived on, I was a base brat, always lived on the
military bases, um, my whole life.
Um, so, you know, there was a sense of, you know, and again, this, you
know, potentially relates to my, Love for wanting to be a spy, I
think, uh, because as you're forced to develop new relationships in,
you know, new settings as a child, you're forced to adapt rather rapidly.
Or be consumed by, you know, whatever you don't adapt to.
And, you know, that lesson was brought upon me very, very swiftly as a child.
Like, uh, you know, this is prior to social media.
So, you know, I didn't know this was the last time I'd see my friend.
And you know what I mean?
Like there was no way.
connecting to that friend, you know, other than like maybe taking his
number calling, but just you're a kid.
You don't think about this.
And so, you know, having to be forced to restart all the time, uh, I think
it was around grade six or seven.
I was bullied in, I think it was grade seven, uh, pretty severely, pretty
like it was like terrorizing, um, and which, which really confused me.
Because prior to that, I was never, I was never bullied.
I was never a bully and I was never in this situation, but this was a
bigger school than I was used to.
Uh, usually I'd go to like, uh, the schools on the, on the bases, which had,
you know, familiar faces and sometimes, but it was always small classes.
And, um, you know, everybody's parents are overseas or doing things,
you just like find common ground.
But this was like a public school.
Well, they were both public, but this was like outside of the, outside of the base.
And, um, I was really miserable and I remember begging my parents to
switch schools, uh, because of that.
So they did end up changing schools.
And then when I got into the new school, um, right off the bat, there was like
two girls that had a crush on me because I was like the new kid, you know, coming
Travis Bader: in, the cool
Chris Ramsay: kid.
And all of a sudden, People wanted to be my friend.
I was like, this is so strange.
I'm not behaving more like, I'm not behaving in a manner that, that would
make me different from, you know, the person I was last week and yet people's
opinions of me are so different.
And it was just some, something that really struck me as, uh, paradigm
shifting in that, you know, these social relationships that I'm having
are completely different, even though.
I didn't do anything differently.
So I, you know, I learned a lot of really important lessons as a child
and it forced me to socially develop, I think, a lot, a lot quicker than,
than most kids because of that.
And it allowed me to become a sort of chameleon in a way, um, in order to
fit in faster, develop rapport with people quicker, um, realize, you know,
when someone's behaving a certain way and what that signifies, um, you know,
psychologically, I think, you know, being amidst all these different situations,
I can, I could pretty much make out a character archetype, you know, from, from
some type of person now and, and, and relate that to a past experience that
I've had because I'm not with the same group of people throughout my whole life.
So I'm quickly People are filling slots pretty quickly, and I get to,
I get to adapt to that, I get to recognize that, and I think all of that
eventually played into my advantage on a social media level, being able to,
uh, convey, perhaps, these social ideas in a more concise way to the masses.
Uh, and, and two, um, As a magician, being able to adapt to, uh, uncontrollable
conditions, uh, more rapidly.
Um, and so this all really played to my advantage in, in, in where life took me.
And so, you know, in hindsight, I'm very grateful, uh, for all the lessons
that I've learned throughout this, but as a child, you know, I was, I
was very spiteful for, for, you know, you're being uprooted every year, twice
a year, uh, to a new location, your life's ruined, you know what I mean?
As a kid, you're like this ruined, you're ruining my life.
It's, you know, and parents don't think about that.
Parents are like, nah, what do you mean?
We're just moving?
Like, and you're like your friends.
Yeah.
As a kid, you're like, my life's over, you know, over and over and over.
So, you know, you, you start to, you start to look at people who've had
childhood friends and you start to be envious of them coming into a new school.
You know, seeing how, how closely people, uh, are and, uh, how, how
close they are and how, you know, um.
How much they're connected and, and it's just like, I never had that.
Right.
So I was always very envious of that, but on the other side, I would gain
such knowledge, such profound insight, um, that I can't be mad at it either.
And now obviously, you know, it's, it's a lot different cause I choose
where to live, but, um, but I'm still plagued with the need to change.
And I think that's where that stemmed from.
Uh, you know, uh, that, that, that will, or that sort of need to start over.
Travis Bader: Mm hmm.
Chris Ramsay: Um, I think that's where that comes from and, you know, that,
that could be me starting a new channel, you know, again, that could just be
related to my childhood of wanting to sort of restart, have something fresh,
have something new and that need for that, that sort of wanderlust, um,
for locations or for experiences.
Um, so I'm cognizant of that.
I'm aware of that.
Uh, and yet, you know, it's, it's hard to fight the damage that
nature or nurturing has caused me.
Uh, but being aware of it, I think helps me navigate it a bit more.
Travis Bader: Yeah, well, that was, you know, it's a prime example of
changing your location to change your, to change your life, right?
Change the environment, change your external factors.
And, you know, I think a lot of people are drawn to this idea of grass being
greener on the other side of the fence.
Fence and, uh, well, I'm not happy here now, but man, over there,
that that's going to be great.
And they get over there and they realize it's pretty cool.
But after a while, it's kind of the same thing again.
Um, what you're, what I, what I see as an outsider looking in is that you are
a consummate creator, that you're an artist and much like me, I, it seems
like you drive most of your enjoyment out of the process of creating, of
building new things, sustaining certain things, Uh, is, has its own challenges
and can have its own fun, but the actual creating of something new and
exciting is, uh, um, maybe, maybe the thing that, uh, that you chase.
Um, I can feel it.
Chris Ramsay: Yeah, I would agree with that.
And you know, I've, I've accepted that as part of my nature.
Uh, rather than, you know, try and deny myself of that.
I think that that is just innately part of who I am.
I am someone who craves new experiences.
Um, you know, and I balance that with other things in my life, but I, I try to.
Not shy away from that a lot of times.
I try to lean into it.
It's just who I am, creatively.
I need to be constantly, um, you know, stimulating that,
that side of my brain, I guess.
And, and, uh, or my soul, or whatever you want to call it.
There's like a part of me that, that craves that.
And I, I don't ignore that anymore.
And I, I own up to it and I'm aware of, you know, the, uh, the sort of
onslaught that that causes others, but, um, it, it is part of my nature.
I'm just, uh, it's stronger than me.
And, and if I don't adhere to that, then I find myself being more and more depressed.
Uh, you know, so I, I, as much as I'm not, I do, I have learned lessons that like,
okay, shiny isn't necessarily better, but, uh, Um, but listening, I think, to
the little voice inside me that craves, um, this, it's, I think, I think it all
comes down to learning something new for me is what I've bottled it down to.
It's, it's, it's not so much, um, Doing something that's
exhilarating or different.
It's, it's the ability to, uh, gather new information and, and really that inspires
me to want to, to want to do more, to learn more, to in the creative process.
And like, I think learning every time in my past where.
And this speaks to a little bit what you were saying when maintaining something.
See, when you're maintaining something, you're not necessarily learning anymore.
You've learned all the risks and now you're just kind of like, you know,
you're, you're kind of oiling the gears, but it's that learning process.
I think that, that I'm really addicted to and that's something I've leaned into.
So I'm always.
Even on the side, like, you know, even this stuff, the Area 52 stuff that I'm
into now, like people think like, well, this is left field and it isn't for me.
Not at all.
It's, it's, it's, it's part of a whole plethora of other things
that I'm interested in that I'm learning on the side off of the
magic and puzzle, you know, stuff.
And whether that's, I'm, I'm currently, you know, learning
another language as well.
I'm like, there's all sorts of things that I'm, I'm really excited about.
And I'm excited about just soaking up more information, speaking to interesting
people, you know, gathering that.
But the second I'm comfortable and the second I'm saturated and, and
just like oil, oiling up the machine is the second I start getting sad.
I think as a second, my being is like, we're so used to consuming new, you
know, information, I yearn for that.
Now
Travis Bader: I can relate to that a hundred percent.
I can relate to that.
It's, um, it's You know, and, and I'm torn.
I, I think it's good that you're just leaning into it, that you're,
uh, accepting it as something that, uh, that, uh, drives you.
It's, um, I don't know, I guess it could be looked at in a couple of ways.
Like one, you're, you're constantly feeding yourself, you're feeding your
soul, you're feeding your mind, you're growing, you're, um, or I guess another
way to look at it is, is it a distraction?
Is it something that's consuming yourself?
It's now distracting you from just being content in the moment.
Um.
I don't know.
Chris Ramsay: That's a good question.
Um, but I do, I do find time for that as well.
Like I think that's the, therein lies the balance for me is, uh, you know,
post Monroe, uh, you know, I had this whole experience in the last year,
which really, uh, shifted a whole thing, you know, within my, with my core.
And uh, I started meditating regularly.
Um, and that's really changed everything for me.
It's been a pressure valve that I get to release.
Every day and it forces me to be present, enjoy the present, um, and be
grateful and thankful for, for what's happening and enjoy the little things.
Um, they are two forces of opposite spectrums, sort of this, uh, this
need and want for other external information, everything else.
And then there's like being happy with very little being, you know,
and, and, and so I do, uh, Always try to find that balance between the
two and remind myself when I'm over here, remind myself that this exists.
And I think meditation allows me to do that on a regular basis.
And, uh, it's, it's been nice.
It's, it's really brought me perspective.
I think that I needed, which is like, if all this goes to hell.
I'll be all right, you know, everybody's, everybody's going to be
fine and everything's going to be okay.
And it's just, you know, that's not the type of thing that you, um, that
you really believe when you're caught up with, you know, all this content
creation or this business aspect of things or the material 3d world stuff,
you know, it's the total opposite.
You're like, no, if this goes away, who am I?
And uh, I'm very happy to say that, yeah, I'll be just fine if it goes away.
Okay.
Travis Bader: I love that.
Well, I want to delve more into the meditation and ask about that, but I
think it would be more chronological if I, uh, introduce the listeners to area
52, which, um, from my perspective, seems like a take on area 51, but also
combining the 52 from the book that we were looking about there before.
You got it.
There you go.
Um, and it is, um, uh, It's amazing.
It's really cool what you're doing.
I don't think there's too many people out there that haven't
asked themselves a question.
Is there more to this?
Uh, are we alone out there?
Um, uh, what, what's this all about?
And essentially what you're doing is you are trying to work on a puzzle box that
you'll probably never be able to unlock or open, but the endeavor seems intriguing.
Do you want to, do you want to, uh, do you Tell the audience
about what Area 52 is about.
Chris Ramsay: Yeah.
Um, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's multiple things.
Two things, uh, in particular, one is my creative outlet.
Um, you know, my sustaining that cinematic creative storytelling
side of me that I do enjoy.
And if you've tuned into some of the puzzle videos I've had, those
intros at the beginning, which.
Much to my deficit, I would create the, you know, I'd see
a drop off on these things.
People, they want to get right into the meat of it.
Right.
But not really.
I'm like, yeah.
And, and, you know, a lot of creatives out there love those intros.
Totally.
90 percent of the audience can do without them.
And you can see that in the, in the, you know, where people
skip ahead to, but I don't care.
I always did that for me.
That was the only reason I kept doing those puzzle videos is
so that I can sustain that.
Uh, I do enjoy a puzzle, but you know, being forced to solve something on
camera isn't, isn't the most relaxing, um, you know, you, you solve a puzzle,
you take days to do it, weeks to do it.
That's the way to properly solve a puzzle.
So, you know, that was my way of doing that.
And.
So with Area 52, I get to have this storytelling side.
Uh, I get to flourish, uh, therein.
Travis Bader: Mm hmm.
Chris Ramsay: And secondly, I get to answer questions that I have about why
I'm here, what I'm doing here, what life is, or what the universe is, or
who's out there, or all these things.
Um, I get to document my journey.
through my, my unfiltered sort of journey and get some type of answer for myself.
Again, it's very selfish.
Um, it's, uh, I want to document, I want to show people what that looks
like, somebody getting answers, uh, and figuring this whole thing out
and what that looks like from, uh, from another perspective, that's it.
I'm not there to.
definitively find an answer.
I'm not there to tell you what reality is.
Um, you can do that on your own.
Um, but that's what I did.
You know, I, I wasn't in favor of people telling me.
What to believe in.
I just don't like that.
I don't like people saying, Oh, this is this because of this.
And then, and just resign to that idea.
I'd rather do it myself and figure it out.
If I come to the same conclusion, so be it.
But my conclusion shouldn't affect how you believe something.
It's, this is for me.
So it was really important.
And so the first, um, sort of investigation that I had on that
channel, uh, wasn't actually meant to be on that channel.
It was meant to be on my main channel.
It was, um, a dive into remote viewing a friend of mine, Nelson Dulles, he's
a memory champion, incredible person.
And he had told me, um, you know, he taught me how to do mind palaces
and memorize a deck of cards, which, you know, is super cool.
And then he told, he's into like this.
Consciousness sort of cognitive work.
And he goes, oh yeah, do you know what remote viewing is?
And I've heard this and I think I've heard it on like unsolved mysteries
or something when I was a kid.
And I was like, well, what's up with that?
And he goes, I had, so there's these people who were hired by a hedge fund to
headhunt potential future remote viewers to play the stock market for them.
Uh, so.
You know, make of that what you will, but there are people with a
lot of money investing in psychics.
All right, you got my attention, right?
I'll bite.
So they teach him how to do this remote viewing, which is
perceiving something non locally.
That's the, you know, nutshell of it.
And, um, they teach him to do this over a month, an hour a day,
ends up playing the stock market, made these people money, and, um.
So I'm naturally intrigued because this is right up my alley
of, you know, secret spy stuff.
So I'm like, what's, how does this work?
Can you teach me?
And he goes, yeah, I'll teach you.
And so he taught me, I spent a year documenting my journey through
learning this, practicing it.
And also, Then I started to, uh, meet with really interesting people.
I met with multiple people who worked for Project Stargate, which was a
super top secret, um, program that the U S government was running for 20
years, which hired, um, psychic spies to essentially spy on the Soviets
during the cold war, um, a lot of other things that went into this, but then
I, I got to also You know, interview the chief research physicist, Dr.
May, who was in charge of this program, got to see the data, got to like, really,
you know, see the nuts and bolts of this, rather than just, you know, take it on
somebody's word that this stuff was real.
I got to see the numbers, you know, I got to see that, you know, 17 out
of the 19 agencies came back for more missions because, you know,
for whatever reason, they just kept coming back to these psychics because
they saw value, I guess they did.
They saw enough value to come back, you know, in over 20 years, 505
individual missions among these 17 out of the 19 agencies came back.
Right.
So there's, and there's 20 million being poured into this as this is something.
This is something there.
You can say for certain that there is something there and, you know,
not to mention they had to go in front of an oversight committee every
single year Congress to prove that they were worthy of this budget.
And so they had to prove to Congress through private remote viewing sessions.
And every year Congress is like, yeah, there's something here.
Keep going.
You know?
So there's all these little things that, that really aligned.
Plus the experiences that I had, that Nelson had, where we talked about
Did this remote viewing, got some pretty accurate results throughout.
And, um, I was left with all this footage and I was like, I don't think this, I
think this will tank on my main channel.
I don't think people will really like this.
They want magic.
They want puzzles.
I'm not the amazing Randy.
I'm not here to, you know, I'm here, I'm here to debunk, but if I, but I'm, but I'm
also here with an open mind, you know, I'm not going to be, uh, an eternal skeptic.
I'm going to open my mind to, to this stuff.
And I think my audience.
Over the magic side.
I don't know if they're ready for that.
I don't know if they want to hear that.
Right.
They want, they like the James, the James Randy type stuff.
And I'm like, I'm on the fence.
I kind of want to know more before I, you know, put it into that.
And that's the reason again, that I did it myself.
Well, what were some, sorry.
Go ahead.
Travis Bader: No, go ahead.
I was going to say, what were your biggest takeaways from
the, uh, the remote viewing?
Chris Ramsay: Yeah, man.
I mean, I got some results that were pretty impressive.
Uh, I got to speak with Joe McMoneagle, who's, you know, a
trained psychic, one of the best.
Um, I got to speak to a physicist who researches this and who gave me some
really, really interesting answers.
You know, the takeaway was they, They had 600 people that they tested, among
those were mental level geniuses, were Stanford alumni, uh, intelligence
army people, and out of those 600, 1%, which is a lot, showed a substantial
amount of talent, and, you know, this is the scientific method, this isn't
like just a parlor trick, this is like, scientific test conditions, and
they have a rating system to figure out accuracy and the whole thing.
And six people out of these 600 showed a significant talent.
Turns out those six people also had synesthesia and that was
something they didn't foresee.
And so they're like, Oh, there's a link here.
All sorts of things like that started coming to light with these tests.
And they, you know, they tested out, uh, they know that somehow Entropy,
um, increases, uh, the targets at, or the, the session's accuracy.
So if they poured liquid nitrogen at a target site, they would get higher
accuracy on the tests versus if they didn't, uh, the abilities, uh, the brain's
ability to, you know, perceive change on a quantum field, I guess, or something.
And so all of these really interesting studies that are happening in the PSI.
done by really credible people.
You know, even the scientific oversight committee that was put together of 12 of
the who's who in science, uh, to oversee project Stargate, and that included Dr.
Schwartz, who won a Nobel prize for discovering, um, you know, particle
beams, uh, he was on the scientific oversight committee, um, Dr.
Daryl BEM, there was Dr.
Uh, Zimbardo who did, uh, the Stanford president experiments.
It was like the who's who.
Wow.
And they had to be skeptical and they came up with the scientific method.
And through that, and all their studies are published,
all the books are out there.
So people thinking, well, how can we, you got to go read it.
It's out there.
Travis Bader: Hmm.
Chris Ramsay: And I, I looked through it and it's, it's, yeah, it's sound.
And although it isn't, I mean, there's been some stuff recently,
the telepathy tapes and all this has been really interesting.
I've been looking into, but it's been significant enough to show you
that there is something present.
It's never, in their case, been 100 percent accurate.
And I think that's where a lot of people get hung up.
But when you're talking about science and P value and statistics, you
don't have to be a hundred percent.
You just have to be significantly higher than, uh, random randomness.
Right.
And they found that time and time again, that there is a significant
value here to be looked at.
And that's what kept the project going.
That's what keeps the research going.
And that was enough for me.
That was my biggest takeaway.
I was like, okay, there's something.
Travis Bader: Um,
Chris Ramsay: you know, and, um, and then when I had all
that, I was like, hell with it.
Let's start a new channel.
Yeah.
Let's go down this road.
I was just so fascinated by it.
And, um, I've always been passionate about stuff like that.
So it sent me down a whole rabbit hole that changed my life.
Yeah.
So
Travis Bader: Sinith, I'll say, I'll say it wrong.
Sinith, see, for me, that's where you like, you can smell colors and that's
where you're right where you're at.
Chris Ramsay: You can, uh, see sounds and hear colors or smell them and like a whole
gamut, a whole plethora of like different.
Travis Bader: So I'm curious if they found that as a common denominator
among the people, uh, would artificially inducing and I'll say it wrong again,
but we'll artificially inducing that through, let's say psychedelics or
something else, uh, be something that they work on to, to try and.
Chris Ramsay: So they tested a drugs with, um, with remote viewing
and had, it had an adverse effect.
Hmm.
Interesting.
So, and they've tested with all, all drugs.
They've tested with, you know, everything they've, they've
literally tested everything.
This was the seventies.
Right.
Of course.
Yeah.
So, you know, everything you can think of and, uh, no, it
would hinder, uh, the results.
Interesting.
Yeah.
There's something about fogging up the interface with which you connect to this
conscious field that exists around us.
Uh, and it isn't a frequency either.
You know, they've tested this in, uh, submarines.
Travis Bader: Not a frequency.
Chris Ramsay: No, they tested in submarines and, uh, in some cases were
more accurate and the submarines, you can't get any frequency down there.
There's nothing that goes down there.
So yeah, they, they ruled that out too.
It's it, it behaves more like a field, kind of like gravity.
Yeah.
Interesting.
Travis Bader: Yeah.
So if you're to walk and you've had an out of body experience as well, have you?
I had multiple, yeah.
So can you walk me through what a remote viewing, uh, episode would
look like for you and what an out of body experience would look like?
Yeah,
Chris Ramsay: drastically different.
Um, okay.
Uh, so remote viewing is just the ability to somehow perceive something non locally.
That is the nutshell, right?
And so what that means is like, I'm in a calm, meditative state.
I'm trying to clear my mind, trying not to give into my imagination,
which is the tough part because our minds are constantly racing.
through images and you're trying to ignore that.
You're trying not to lead it anywhere.
And then whatever comes to you, you use your pencil and you, you know,
you write down the adjectives or the descriptors and you draw things.
There's a whole process that they came up with that you do this.
And.
And then you see if that matches the target, which is in an envelope somewhere.
So you're blind to that.
Travis Bader: Hmm.
Chris Ramsay: Um, and you see, you know, you try to see if that
matches, but while you're doing remote viewing for me personally,
I always felt a little bit silly.
I always felt silly.
Uh, you're like, what am I doing?
I'm not a psychic.
Like this stuff doesn't exist.
You know, there's, there's that skepticism naturally that you're
like, this is silly, this is stupid.
And, you know, sometimes you're really confident.
You're like, oh yeah, okay.
I see this and this.
And then as soon as you're about to open the envelope,
you're like, God, this is dumb.
I'm like, of course it's not going to be the same.
What am I?
Doing here, I just, you know, I got like a life form that's buzzing,
maybe a bumblebee or something.
And like, there could be anything in here.
It could be a freaking soccer ball.
Like, you know, like, I don't know, this is, I'm going to look like such
an idiot when this envelope opens.
And that's the thought that goes into your head and then you open the envelope
and you're like, Oh wait, hold on.
That's not too far off, you know?
And so it's really interesting.
Yeah.
Um, now out of body, astral projection, whatever you want to call it,
is it different experience that potentially, you know, relies on the same,
um, mechanism, which is consciousness.
But, uh, I had two experiences last year, last October, coming back
from seeing one of these remote viewers who told me about the Monroe,
so the Monroe Institute in Virginia, founded by Robert Monroe, 1958.
This guy, he was a sound engineer and he had spontaneous out of body.
Um, spontaneous out of body that, that sort of happened to him in his own
bedroom where he was bouncing against the ceiling, turned around, saw his own body,
terrified him, slammed back into his body.
He's like, what the heck's that?
And he felt this buzzing, this vibration, heard the sound.
And again, he's a sound engineer, he's very, very much, um, left brained.
Um, so he went to go see the doctor, he thought something was wrong with him.
You know, because it kept happening and eventually he started studying, he
dropped everything and started studying this stuff because he heard that other
people were having it too and really wasn't talked about really quite taboo.
And he pursued this research, uh, so much so that he even started to try
and mimic and sort of entrain the brain to follow certain, um, brain waves.
So, like.
You can stimulate the brain through entrainment, through frequency,
that your brain will match, right?
That's the sort of idea.
To attain those low frequencies, so 30 hertz and under,
because you can't hear those.
So you can never play a frequency and your brain's going to match it.
You just can't do that because it's too low.
So what he found out through his studies, and this is really
interesting, is that pilots were like falling asleep a lot of times.
And they found out it's because the engines were at different, we're creating
sound that was at different frequency.
Uh, the difference, yeah, exactly.
Binaural.
He was the founder of this.
Uh, and so what would happen is that like one engine would be at 110 Hertz.
The other engine would be at a hundred Hertz, the difference being 10 Hertz.
So what happens in your brain with this extra 10 Hertz, because you're
hearing both of these sounds, your brain will synthesize that 10 Hertz.
And so now it's hearing it.
Uh, which you couldn't hear normally if I just played 10 Hertz.
So he found this out and started doing this on people.
Turns out these people started having out of body experiences.
He was able to match those lower states of, um, of awareness or those lower
states of frequency, those, those, uh, theta states, those states where you're
in a deep, uh, deep, uh, Sleep or in, um, deep meditation or in the zone, so to
speak, and like the flow state, uh, all these sort of deep states, he was able
to artificially induce those so much.
So they had a, they had a monk who was like 90 and he was kind of upset when he
got there because he's like, dude, I've been doing this for 30 years and you guys.
It took five minutes to get to the same state of awareness that I was in, you
know, and, and so, yeah, they came up with this really cool thing, uh, which
is binaural beats, or they called it Hemisync, which is the proprietary
sound technology that they came up with.
And uh, this is a long, that's a long answer to the question, uh, in the, in
the seventies during Stargate when the U.
S.
was really, really looking into the side.
There's, they still are, by the way, they're still looking into
sciability, uh, but we found out that they were looking into the
sciability because it went public.
Um, but they were looking into sciability and they were interested in this.
So they sent some remote viewers, some other members of the CIA to the
Monroe Institute, contracted Bob Monroe to, uh, guide them through a process
called the gateway process, which is this sort of increasing process, which
eventually would induce astral projection.
Would, would make your soul body leave your physical.
You could then leave the room, go into another room, look at something, come back
into your body and tell us what that was.
That was the essential goal of it.
And those are the tests that they did.
And some of the tests were very successful, especially with Joe McMonigle.
Um, you know, drawing the exact thing that was in the envelope.
Um, so I had heard about this.
So, uh, Joe McMonigle talked to me about this.
I kind of brushed it off, like, astral projecting.
I'm like, okay, it's probably a lucid dream or something, right?
I've lucid dreamed before.
Have you lucid dreamed, by the way?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, right.
So you know that that, it feels real, but there's, you know, you know it's a dream.
You're aware it's a dream.
Yeah.
And you can conduct it.
You can get in and you can do whatever you want.
Yeah.
Super fun.
Travis Bader: It is.
Yeah.
Chris Ramsay: Um, so one night I'm having a nightmare and nightmares for me are
often, um, often turn into lucid dreams because I realized they're a nightmare.
And so it's a nightmare and I'm realizing it's a nightmare.
So I want to try to open my eyes.
Right?
I'm like, forcing my eyes to open, all of a sudden my eyes open, I'm
in my room, ugh, finally, I'm in my bed, but I'm in a weird place.
My room is my room, it's fuzzy, I can see, I can see pretty clearly and I
assume because it was, You know, my eyes were climatized to the darkness,
everything was gray, sort of out of focus.
And I hear this, this buzzing, this electric, almost electric buzzing.
And I feel my entire body like it was like you slapped me with a tuning fork.
Travis Bader: You're vibrating.
Yeah.
Okay.
It felt like
Chris Ramsay: I was physically vibrating, although I knew I
wasn't, but it felt that way.
Almost like when you're, when your arms asleep or something, but it was my
whole body and it was kind of euphoric.
It's like a good feeling.
And I'm in this state at this point, I have no idea what out of body stuff is.
I've, I haven't even looked into it.
I don't know any, anything about this stuff, but I felt my, I
felt that I could levitate weird.
I was like, so relaxed.
I was like, like this, this buzzing, this weird phasing is how I felt.
I could just like lift up.
So I just started like willing myself up.
And then all of a sudden I was like two feet off the bed and
I got absolutely terrified.
Like sheer terror came over me.
It is the scariest feeling because it's not like flying in a dream.
Flying in a dream is very pleasant.
Flying in real life is terrifying because you're like, I'm
not supposed to be flying.
This is real life.
What the hell is happening?
And so I, I, I fall back into my body.
Travis Bader: Did you fall with a thump?
Did you feel like you like, I kind of like,
Chris Ramsay: I kind of like go back down gradually, like at half
speed and like sink into my body.
Like I feel like, like synced up, like S Y N C H, like I synced into my body.
And then.
Um, I, I get up, I go, I drink a glass of water.
I'm like, that was wild.
And I had, I had taken that, it's been, it was like 10 days or like a week after I
stopped smoking weed, uh, recreationally, so I had this thing called REM rebound,
which is like a buildup of like REM, plus I took a melatonin before bed to
try and get some sleep because of that.
So it was all this like perfect storm.
Next night I'm like, all right, let's try this again.
This time, if it happens, I'm going to try to navigate.
It, you know, so sure enough, wake up in my room, same thing.
I'm like, Oh, this is happening again.
I lift up.
I have the idea of turning around and looking at my body or
looking not, not even, I didn't know that I was out of body.
I just thought it was floating.
So I turn around and I see myself with my eyes closed.
Travis Bader: Crazy.
Chris Ramsay: Yeah.
When's the last time you looked at yourself with your eyes closed?
Exactly.
It's terrifying.
Yeah.
I was like, am I dead?
Like there's a whole, like, and so again, this wave of sheer terror comes over me.
And I go back into my body, but I fall actually a little bit lower than my body.
And I'm like, Oh no.
And I like will myself back up and then kind of come to, um, to that.
A couple of weeks go by as time goes by.
I'm thinking back, it's probably just a dream, right?
Cause like right after the, I was obsessed for like two, three days.
I was like, Google astral projection.
All the same symptoms, same sound, same buzzing, vibration, same, but
as the weeks go on, you kind of like your rational brain sets in.
Um, but then I came across the Monroe Institute who has these gateway processes.
And I said for area 52, I would love to document.
My journey through the gateway process, which has never been done.
They've never allowed that before.
It's like proprietary and everything.
Uh, but they agreed, they agreed to have me out for a week and allow
me full access to film the entire thing with, uh, other creators.
And I ended up doing that, had, You know, profound experience,
meditating, learned how to meditate.
It was great.
All sorts of really cool, like moments where I felt vibration, like, like a truck
was driving, you know, past the building.
Like it was crazy sensations and visions.
And we'd meditate six, seven hours a day.
It was like, it was insane.
And then nothing happened.
I was a little disappointed leaving.
I was like, I really wanted to induce one of these feelings.
One of these experiences.
I got home, meditated an hour every day.
Uh, for like three months, literally didn't miss a day, just hardcore meditate.
I'd get up at like four in the morning sometimes to like do this, uh, just
cause I was in that in between state.
And then yeah, three months later I ended up having my first experience of,
um, an induced out of body experience in while I was awake while I was lucid.
So I was, I was awake, closed my eyes to meditate.
You know, I was super like relaxed.
I listened to the tapes an hour later when the tapes are done.
I took the headphones, put them down.
I was in like this nice in between state and I was like, it's going to happen.
I just closed my eyes and I said to myself, I deeply desire to leave my body.
And the third time I said it, I felt the phasing, the buzzing, a familiar sense.
I lifted out of my body.
And I could see in my room, I could see myself.
I was there, ended up going back into my body, waking up.
And yeah, sure enough, it was like a minute of time had passed.
It was, I was lucid the entire time from closing my eyes
to leaving, to coming back.
I was, I was lucid.
I wasn't dreaming.
Right.
And that had really changed something in me that I was able to recreate that.
And again, this is like, not, I'm not saying this to
convince people that it's real.
And I, you know, if you want to debate whether or not this
is real, that's up to you.
But.
Um, for me, it gave me a profound sense of, I am more than my physical body.
Um, you know, I was raised Catholic.
I turned staunchly atheist due to being a magician, uh, became agnostic after.
Not caring about all that stuff to now finding myself being a little bit more,
uh, leaning a little bit more, uh, to the spiritual side, but also recognizing that
there might be a science to this as well.
And it's sort of, this is, this is the arc when I see people just being
like this and being, uh, atheist, you know, Penn Jillette, all these other
guys, I see this as a straight line.
It's not an arc, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm like straight and now
I'm like arcing back to it.
So there's like a whole story here, which I'm really, I really
liked the idea of as well.
But, um, but yeah, it's got me to question a lot of things personally, and it's
got me to have a new, brand new outlook on life, on the afterlife, on the fear
of death, on, you know, and, and now consuming a lot of books on the matter.
Uh, I read every single day, new things, um, that just sort of, I'm connecting dots
that I otherwise wouldn't have connected because of these experiences I've had.
So I'm really grateful for this journey, really happy how it's changed me.
You know, and like I said, I'm not there to convince anyone of anything.
I would, the only thing I would say is do, do it for yourself.
See what happens.
If nothing happens, cool.
Travis Bader: You know, what does it cause you?
The question, the most
Chris Ramsay: has it caused me to question and it's given me answers.
It's like, yeah, that's been the most, the most, um, gratifying thing is, is knowing
I have a knowing now, you know, and I, again, I don't want to impose this on
anyone, but for me, I know, I feel that I know that I don't, I don't You don't just
die, you know, and I have that feeling now, and that has been very comforting.
And I'm hearing myself say this and I'm someone who I would
have argued with five years ago.
Sure.
You know, take that for what it's worth.
Travis Bader: You know, doing research for this podcast here, looking at
different, uh, uh, the videos that you've got out there and then trying to talk
to people who are staunch believers and, and ardent, uh, ardently opposed to it.
In, in navigating the different, uh, uh, the ideas on it,
it, it's been interesting.
The people that come out of the woodwork.
That you might not think you'd have an opinion on this or not, especially when
you talk about, of course, this, the Minotaur Institute stuff, the astral
projection, but also when you start talking about other phenomena, which
you talk about in your, uh, on your YouTube channel, which is a UFO stuff.
Yeah.
And I've talked to people from NORAD.
I've talked to people from, uh, um, high level.
In government that have, uh, worked with some of the people that, uh,
you've been mentioning here and you've mentioned in other places.
And it's, it's crazy how, how this is in so many people's mind in consciousness,
yet it isn't really talked about a ton out of fear of maybe speculate or of,
um, yes, the stigma of, uh, the ridicule.
Chris Ramsay: Yeah.
Travis Bader: Um,
Chris Ramsay: yeah, that is, uh, that is, yeah, bang on.
Um, I think that, I think that stigma is, is, uh, slowly dissipating.
Um, I think we feel it culturally with, you know, uh, people having open
conversations like we're having now.
There are obviously other podcasts that I'm sure people are aware of
that, you know, give platforms to, uh, people with more fringe ideas,
uh, a place to talk about them.
And I think because of that, it really is lifting, uh, the stigma.
Um, you know, especially with the whole little green men thing, you know,
that's something that, you know, you'd always refer to non human intelligence
is like, Oh, these little green men from Mars and they're flying saucers.
And it was always sort of like tinfoil hat, you'd play the little X Files music,
you know, and that was like the whole.
Just a bit now we're having credible physicists, uh, anthropologists
like Michael Masters, uh, looking into this, uh, possibly being extra
tempestual beings being from the future, you know, because if you follow a
revolution, we might look like them.
Um, we have people like, uh, Graham Hancock questioning, you know, our
past, uh, perhaps they did have some type of technology in these ancient
civilizations that we're unaware of.
Um, but we also, you know, have people studying, um, you know, people who are
neurodivergent and they're finding out there's some really interesting things
there that tie it to sigh ability.
And, um, there's just, yeah, yeah.
There's the telepathy tapes.
I mentioned it earlier.
It's very interesting.
Very, very interesting.
Um, there are people from all walks of life getting involved in this.
And I think that because.
If this is real, which I know it's real.
There's another knowing that I know there's something going on.
Um, but if this is real, then it does merit attention, obviously.
And it merits the attention of absolutely every field.
I think, you know, I spoke to someone recently, uh, Chrissy Newton.
She's from Toronto.
She's, um, a journalist, uh, and a UAP, uh, investigator.
And she says this too.
We, you know, we need everyone.
You need everyone to be interested in this stuff.
You need everyone from all walks of life.
You need people who are into medicine.
You need people who are, uh, into, uh, you know, exercise or all, all these different
facets because they all relate back.
This is so important that if this happens, if this, you know, disclosure moment
happens or whatever that is, we're going to need all hands on deck to really
figure out what this means as a society.
Everybody's going to have to play their part because.
You know, it's a conversation that a lot of people unfortunately
want to avoid due to the potential repercussions, that ontological
repercussion that that brings with it.
It means that your life isn't so important, or rather, it's
placed on a different scale.
And that frightens the heck out of people, you know, for good reason.
Um, you know, and I know a lot of people in my life who I could, I
could confidently say the way that they're living would not deal,
would not fare so well with, with this type of, uh, disclosure.
Travis Bader: What type of people wouldn't deal well in something like this?
Chris Ramsay: Well, I think that people who, um, don't have time
for it is how I would put it.
Cause I hear a lot of that.
I hear people like, yeah, but aliens, I just don't have time for that.
Right.
I'm like, okay, cool.
Well, I don't think that matters if they show up.
What are you going to do?
Like, keep going to work?
Obviously we're going to keep, you know, but we also have to devote, I think,
if that happens, a part of, you know, Your mind to that, because now this
brings in a whole other set of beliefs, values, questions that you either draw
attention to or completely ignore.
Yeah.
And then you ignoring.
And I think a lot of people are comfortable ignoring, but when faced
with Uh, you know, uh, potential disclosure, like now we're having these
UAP hearings and there's all sorts of talk in government and, uh, there's
policies being written about UAP.
There's these drone incursions that have been happening recently that
they don't exactly know, you know, where the origin of these are.
And so this, the conversation is becoming more and more real and
you either open yourself up to it.
Or shun, you know, yourself from it.
And if you do the latter, I do believe that, you know, we've seen cases of
ontological shock and it's not pretty.
Um, you look at, there was these tribes, I think in New Zealand, uh, native
tribes, there was a documentary on them.
Um, there's a documentary on seeing them for the first time.
So this tribe was uncontacted forever.
And they're seeing man for the white guys for the first time.
Right.
So.
This is exactly what it would look like if you saw an alien.
If you watch this, it is exactly that.
Good point.
Because they look, they're, okay, they're bipedal.
Yeah.
They have that in common.
But other than that,
Travis Bader: They look totally different.
The
Chris Ramsay: face structure is different.
The color of their skin is different.
Their clothes is different.
They're using, uh, advanced technology, gadgets, vehicles, that are making crazy
sound, planes, all speaking a different language, writing different symbols.
This is an entirely different civilization.
An entirely different level of intelligence that they're used to.
Thank you.
And you can see the terror in the confliction with, uh, with these
people trying to come to terms with what it is they're observing.
And I think, you know, that, that serves as almost a template for
what it is we can expect, you know, when meeting, um, such a drastically
different form of intelligence.
Um, and so, you know, it's, it's a lesson to be learned, but you know, I'm, I've
already had multiple paradigm shifts in my life and, and, and, and sort of like,
I'm in the process of preparing myself for like such, you know, but I've, I've
spoken to people who've had contact.
Yeah.
You know, according to them.
Sure.
And, and not just with UAP, you know, with entities and stuff.
So it's like, you know, and when you, when you meet these people, when
you speak to these people, there's, there's just some people you're
like, you have no reason to lie.
And you're like in, you're a, you're a, you're an upholding citizen.
And you're like, you're like this, this pillar in your community.
Why would you, why would you say these things if it wasn't true?
Did that video
Travis Bader: that I sent over, did that video make it out to you?
Which one's that?
So there's a talk about upstanding people in their community
pillars and what they do.
Um, it was a UAP video, uh, and it was videotaped by three people who
work in law enforcement, who are doing surveillance in a remote wilderness area.
And, uh, there was a, um, a circular multicolored changing
with a dark kind of center.
And I have these two kind of like light beams that kind of came
off a little bit off the side.
And they were able, when they blew out the candle and the lantern,
they could see a bit of a light coming straight down from it.
And this video, I don't know.
So I guess it didn't make it over.
I'll watch
Chris Ramsay: it though.
It sounds incredibly interesting.
Travis Bader: So these people are highly credible.
They're trained in surveillance.
Uh, in the short clip I sent over, you could see them talking in a
way that people doing surveillance would, I see this confirmed.
I see that, but they're just kind of working their way through it.
Yeah.
Um, and there was nothing for hundreds of kilometers behind where this thing
should be, couldn't gauge distance.
Uh, some thought maybe it's close, but if it was close and moving kind of like
a drone, it, there was no sound to it.
One fellow thought it was probably far out there and, uh, still huge.
Yeah.
And mind you, there were other videos, uh, on your channel that I look at that
very closely matched the same object.
And they're talking about, uh, that was one where you, you've.
First started talking about, um, what was it called?
Uh, Immaculate Constellation.
Yep.
Chris Ramsay: Yeah.
You know, um, there are credible people in the government that have testified in
front of Congress, um, put their careers, their lives in some cases on the line.
Uh, discussing the programs that they've either been read into or made
aware of that involve, you know, uh, retrieval of some of these exotic
materials that are, um, not of Earth.
Mm.
Um, and that's their words, you know?
So you have to either tell yourself they're lying.
In which case, I guess, well, I mean, if you're going to say that,
that's fine, but now you're telling you now you're telling yourself,
like, you don't trust the government.
So you've in turn become a conspiracy theorist yourself.
Have you, have you heard
Travis Bader: the, uh, the theory of, um, no, I've, I've
And some of this is new to me.
Some of this I've been, uh, kind of watching for a while, but, um, that
it's an anti government movement, the recent UAP hearings and disclosure.
Like the blue beam or like all sorts of,
Chris Ramsay: yeah.
And, and that is a possibility, um, because there is
precedent for that as well.
There's a documentary out there called, uh, uh, Miraclemen and it
is about a disinformation campaign that, Within the CIA, uh, that
basically makes some guy believe something that he tells the masses.
Um, and people believe him, then they prove that it wasn't real,
and so it becomes disinformation.
But the thing with disinformation is like, If I was, and, and, and this is public
knowledge, by the way, and people, folks can look this up, there are departments,
uh, in counterintelligence that are hired to, uh, talk about UAP, right?
Um, to make the public, uh, whether it's through ridicule, whether it's through
conspiracy, or whether it's actually to just put out false information.
Travis Bader: Uh,
Chris Ramsay: so that exists, that has been proven.
We know that.
And, you know, you wouldn't put it past these 19 agencies, uh, who are
made up of the most intelligent people in the United States, you know, to,
to do things like that, to control whatever it is they need to control.
Let's talk to a guy who.
Does that?
Yeah, exactly.
So, you know, if they do job in the
Travis Bader: government.
Chris Ramsay: Yeah.
And if they do have these programs, which are super dark and black programs that
don't exist, which we know of the, there are programs like that because they come
to light Stargate's one of them, they come to light afterwards and you're like, Oh
my God, okay, this, this was going on.
So, you know, if there are these.
These things that they have to protect these legacy retrieval
programs, then naturally, you know, they would spread some, uh, disinfo.
Um, and the way they do that is really interesting too, because they don't,
um, if I were to, you know, if you said, oh, UFOs and aliens exist as, as, as a
member of this disinformation campaign.
I wouldn't say no, they don't.
I would say, yeah.
And they're also on the moon and the Nazis are involved and there's lizard
people and I would yes end them.
Right.
And so now you throw the baby out with the bathwater and, and,
you know, this is, this is things they've also done at crash sites.
So there are certain crash sites in New Mexico.
Uh, called the, um, uh, uh, the donation fields, uh, where they've
retrieved a lot of, uh, material, metamaterial, like other, you know,
potential crafts and their stories.
There's witnesses to all this, namely Roswell's like the most
famous, but there's been others.
And if you go to these sites, which are highly under surveillance,
um, they are littered.
And scattered with shrapnel, like, uh, tin cans, aluminum.
Travis Bader: So, so people are picking up tin cans, thinking that
they're getting the real good.
Well,
Chris Ramsay: people are going out there with metal detectors and can't
find, uh, the difference between perhaps exotic alloys and, you know,
earthly, earthly, uh, fabricated metals.
And so there's sprinkle and that's just how this information works as well.
It's like, yeah.
It's much easier to sprinkle the truth in with a lot of, uh, false truths,
and then people prove the false truths, and then they throw everything out.
And that's a, it's a very intelligent way of doing that.
And it's obviously not something I'd put, put past them.
Travis Bader: Well, there's a fellow who's works in, through his career
in different levels of government and who's an ardent believer in, there's
something else out there, whether that's interdimensional, whether that's, uh,
uh, temporal, like you were saying there, but he put me onto a book
called, uh, Skinwalkers at the Pentagon.
Have you heard of that one?
No, I've heard of it.
I haven't read it.
Okay.
I haven't read it either, but AI is pretty cool.
Chat GPT, I got it to give me a summary of the thing.
But, um, uh, this person's take on the recent, uh, hearings that went out is
that he's having a hard time buying it.
He believes that there's something else out there, but he believes that
there's a financial motivation for, uh, some people involved in this.
Of course.
Chris Ramsay: Yeah.
I mean, of course these, uh, you know, privatized legacy companies that
have been working with this stuff, you know, for, since the forties.
Um, I've been involved closely with the government.
You know, you look at Lockheed, Boeing, Raytheon, EG& G back in the day.
These are all companies that, you know, produce spacecrafts for the NRO.
They produce satellites, spy satellites.
They produce, Absolutely every single piece of modern tech that
we have in the air that, you know, the B2 bomber, which was, you know,
apparently partially made in area 51.
Like, and so there's all these, uh, technologies that
the government has to work on.
We understand that.
We understand that the government has to be at the forefront and that when we
receive technology, it's probably been out for 20 years on a military side.
Right.
Um, the problem with that is.
If you're doing it within the government, you are subject
to, uh, congressional inquiry.
Whereas if you privatize it, you are not obliged to provide the same amount of
information because it's proprietary.
Um, and there's a reason they came up with that law and it was because
of these retrievals, um, you, you know, so let's say hypothetically
that one of these craft, uh, crash landed and instead of haul, you know,
we'll haul it off to a military base.
Um, we'll say right, Patterson, we'll just say, um, and once it, once it
gets there, well, if it's there for too long, it's going to, I mean,
prying eyes and everything else.
So they'll take this apart into a thousand different pieces, scatter and
compartmentalize everybody working on it, um, subcontract this to a dozen.
Um, you know, aerospace contractors, uh, and be like, Hey, you look at the
metal, you look at the propulsion, you look at the, um, the energy
source and all these different things.
So these, even these companies and within those companies, they
have compartmentalized teams.
So I know somebody who works at SpaceX who, when he works on something, he's not
allowed to know where this piece goes.
Travis Bader: Mm.
Chris Ramsay: Yeah.
Uh, it would be much easier for him to do his job if he
could just know where it goes.
And they're like, no, sorry, just make the part.
Um, but that's to compartmentalize this stuff.
So that because you're working in aerospace, it's also
considered, uh, weaponry.
Sure.
And, and you have to make sure that no foreign, you know, adversary is
also gathering this information.
So they compartmentalize this stuff.
And a lot of times there's over classification, over compartmentalization.
And so when the people at these companies like Lockheed or Raytheon are, are
working on these parts, they don't know.
Necessarily that it's from another star system, potentially, they just
think it's advanced military tech.
They have no idea because it's got an American sticker on it.
And they, you know, they just assume this is high tech stuff and they're signed.
They signed lifelong NDAs.
We know this, uh, that they're bound to even after death, um,
you know, even after death.
Travis Bader: Yeah.
As in, they can't posthumously have something like Dead Man's Switch.
Chris Ramsay: Yeah, no, and a lot of people, um, you know, and this has been
said, David Grush, who, uh, you know, and, and Lou Elizondo, who have both worked.
Uh, with, you know, David Grush has had GS 15 clearance, which is like
the highest secret clearance higher than people in Congress, you know?
And so he's been briefed or not briefed.
He's been told by people who've been briefed that, yeah, there's threats,
death threats by these companies, by these private companies and by the government
and by factions of the government.
Um, that like, you know, if you tell anyone we'll kill your entire family.
And like, that's it.
You know, you.
You hear this and you think, surely my government wouldn't do it.
And surely, and you might, Hey, you might be right.
Sure.
But, well, I don't know about that.
I don't know.
Yeah.
But let's say for a second, right?
Because a lot of people think like, well, this is just a big secret.
Everybody's first of all, very few people know about this.
This is like, there's like 500 people that are read into these projects.
It's not big.
Everything else is speculation, but you know, how do you keep a secret like that?
Surely people are like, well, just an NDA, you know, it's just an NDA.
But if you go to someone with kids and you say.
Hey, we'll take out your whole family from the equation.
You know, you don't want to take even 1 percent of a chance of that being true.
You want to protect your family.
So naturally you're never going to talk about it.
You'll never talk about it.
Even if, even if there's a 99 percent chance that they're just bluffing.
If there's a 1 percent chance that you're not going to put
your family at risk, right?
So you'll never talk.
And that's how they've basically been, um, keeping this a secret for like 70 years.
It's, it's an insane thing to hear if you're hearing it for
the first time, but there's a lot of documentation on this stuff.
Travis Bader: I don't know.
We, the, uh, Silvercore podcast, I think has an audience that
might be a little more, um, Understanding or, um, a skeptical
of government than, uh, than others.
Well, uh, talking about UAPs is not something that we've, uh,
talked too much about in the past.
Um, John Sinai did bring some of that up.
He's a futurist and he's from South Africa, interesting fellow, but, um,
I, I like the, uh, the connection between, uh, us and our natural
world and our natural environment.
And, you know, even talking with, uh, ex special forces, um, Sean
Taylor, ex JTF2, uh, he talks about things that would be very akin to,
uh, but in a different wavelength to what you've been talking about here.
So there is a crossover in, in our audiences and there's, I would say
there's definitely a, um, an openness to believing that the government might be
doing something to hide things because it's been, you know, True proven over
and over again in, in our industry.
Um, I did put out some questions to, uh, Silvercore club
members and, and a few people.
I kind of selectively went through it because I knew these are
people who would have an interest in what it is you're doing.
And, uh, if you're up for it, I got a few of them here.
So, um, uh, By the way, sorry to cut you off.
Um,
Chris Ramsay: JTF.
Joint task force was actually, uh, the number one client of Stargate.
They had, yeah, they had like, uh, out of the 505 missions, I think 172 of
them came from the joint task force, separate missions, 172 separate missions.
Travis Bader: Perhaps that's why what he talks about is very similar
to what you're talking about here.
When he talks about his consciousness in another room and how he expands it past.
And, uh, I'll have to, uh, I'll have to bring that up.
Yeah,
Chris Ramsay: you have to, I have to ask him.
They would, they would intercept, um, they would intercept a lot of
drug smuggling on the coastline.
Um, And they would do these remote viewings weeks before.
So they would know weeks ahead of time where this person is
going to be with the drugs.
And they would, then they would intercept it.
And that's why they came back 172 times.
Travis Bader: Interesting.
Like he talks right now about his consciousness.
He'll feel what's inside the next room, the room that he's not in
just in his, uh, in his waking time and how he practices that.
Very cool.
Interesting guy to talk about, uh, do we live in a simulation?
Is it a holographic universe?
Are we living in a matrix?
Because.
Isn't it?
Um, he brings a, uh, a neat perspective.
He's been on the podcast here before and.
Very cool.
Cool fellow.
Um, but he says, um, the Nike, uh, we have one here curious to hear
what the feeling was like in the room for the congressional hearings.
Was there a nuance that folks who are watching me have missed?
Chris Ramsay: Yeah, definitely.
First of all, feeling was historical, uh, you know, as a Canadian YouTuber,
puzzle solver, magician, I felt, you know, an immense sense of, uh,
imposter syndrome, uh, sitting there, especially courtside, you know,
it was, it was a wild experience.
Um, The things that people may have missed.
Well, beside me to my right was someone, uh, some type of director of NASA at some,
on some level, some very high up at NASA.
And he was like, play by playing everything Mike Gold was saying on
the other side of the table, uh, texting to someone like nonstop.
So I was like, okay, he's under a watchful eye.
That's for sure.
Um, another thing that people might've missed is, uh, you know,
you'll see the witnesses answering questions on the C SPAN feed.
In person, there's a lot going on up there, you know, on the sort of dais or
on the panel or whatever these, these, uh, congressmen and women are constantly
whispering in each other's ears, sharing notes, you know, so who knows what
they're saying, but there's a whole other interactive side that's happening
while the questions are being answered.
And mainly they ask the questions just to get the stuff on the record.
They don't really care about hearing the answer themselves.
You know, they're like, okay, now it's in the record.
That's all they want.
Uh, but yeah, they're busy, you know, scheming away or figuring
out the, you know, what the next step is or new information.
So it was interesting to see just that side of things from, and that's the side
you won't see if you tune in online.
So, and then I got to go sort of behind the scenes, there's like a back room,
um, um, Hang out with all the witnesses and some of the people in Congress, Tim
Burchett, and, you know, there's things that I noticed like Tim Burchett, I
talked to, he's very friendly, uh, you know, but he was taking a selfie at one
point and I noticed on the back of his phone case, he's got a Bigfoot sticker,
something you wouldn't have seen, you know, if you weren't there in that room.
Yep.
So, you know, that gives me a little bit of insight into, you
know, who he is potentially.
Mm hmm.
So, you know, just, just from, from a, again, a social aspect, I got to, I
got to, uh, learn a lot and, and just acquire a lot of information, um, floating
around freely in these little spaces.
Travis Bader: Excellent.
We got, uh, of course, Immaculate Constellation, what were his big
takeaways from the report and what should people be paying attention to?
And what do you think the next steps for Congress are?
A lot of questions in that.
Yeah.
Chris Ramsay: Yeah.
Great questions.
Uh, big takeaways from Immaculate Constellation.
One of them was that they said multiple whistleblowers had, you know, Had, uh,
gone into, gone into a skiff at Congress and spoken to congressional members.
So that's important.
That's important knowing what the questions coming from Congress were.
Now that you know that, you gotta ask yourself, Are these questions from
Congress coming from an informed, uh, Um, point of view, or are they
coming from YouTube rabbit hole?
Like we don't know, but you know, it would be interesting if it was the former.
Um, secondly, um, what was, what was the second part of the question?
Um,
Travis Bader: what should we be paying attention to?
And what do you think next steps for Congress are?
Chris Ramsay: Right.
Okay.
What should we be paying attention to?
Um, hard to say, hard to say.
We're, uh, there's a battle for our attention.
You know, so you're going to, your attention is going to be drawn
in many different directions.
I would just keep an open mind, um, you know, you're going to be hearing
a lot of drone incursion talk.
You're going to be hearing, you know, you're going to be hearing whistleblowers.
You're going to be hearing a lot of different things, you know,
stay the course, stay skeptical.
Um, don't form, you An opinion is like the biggest takeaway that I
have for all of this and is what I'm trying to do with my channel as well.
Let's just keep absorbing information, you know, make connections, but do
not block anything out due to some preconceived notion of, you know, You
know, your objective reality, allow yourself to, to, uh, to wander off.
And then what can we expect from Congress?
I don't know.
I think the only thing that I look forward to, and I can speak for a lot of
people is we want a firsthand witness to be brought up in one of these hearings.
We're sick of hearing thirdhand accounts.
Um, you know, a bunch of brave, uh, men have spoken and, but we could
use a lot more people who've perhaps potentially worked on these craft.
Or a body.
Yeah.
And for that, or a body.
Yeah, exactly.
Uh, but for that to be a reality, there needs to be greater protection
in place for these people because they do fear for their lives and it is the
reason they're not coming forward.
Travis Bader: So here's one says, I reacted to a question in the
hearing about the human genetic modification via hybridization.
Although I've heard it's a theory for the quote, human race, I haven't heard.
That is a potential SAP or program in the military.
How valid do you think that claim is?
Chris Ramsay: Well, she said it was whispers.
It was a Congresswoman Boebert who spoke about that, that there was whispers on
the Hill of something like that, that those whispers had been going back
into pre cold war era in the sixties.
Um, you know, you look at.
where Captain America, you know, was spawned from.
It was spawned from the same genetic enhancement programs, you know, that
the government, you know, potentially had to create super soldiers.
Um, however, if you look more into, and this is something a lot of people aren't
ready to talk about, but if you look into abductions, um, which have been going back
a long time, um, hundreds of thousands of cases, um, This isn't, this isn't
something small, this isn't something new.
This isn't just Travis Walton, fire in the sky.
This is, this goes way beyond that with thousands of credible people who
are not willing to come forward for fear of stigma and ridicule, who are
mapping out a potential, um, reason for this happening collectively.
You have, uh, people like, you know, John Mack, uh, David Jacobs, uh, even Bud
Hopkins who have spoken to collectively tens of thousands of witnesses and
had their testimony, whether through regression, whether through, um, you
know, their, their actual, you know, just, uh, memory, um, and, and also,
also, you know, physical testimony.
scars or, you know, implants or whatnot, have come forward to talk
about their experience and their interaction with these, uh, beings.
And there's been a lot of commonalities, a lot.
It's pretty consistent, very consistent.
And it looks like, and you know, do I believe this?
I'm leaning towards there's some truth here because of the amount of people and
the credibility of the people, but it's leaning towards there is some type of.
genetic agenda, um, with this, uh, intelligence.
Um, you know, what that is, is speculative at best.
Um, you know, whether it's to genetically enhance humans to be
prepared for something, whether it's something more nefarious, I don't know.
But there does seem to be some type of connection.
And I think that's what was being referred to, uh, because this has
been studied for a very long time.
It's a very serious issue, but it's an issue.
Not a lot of people are ready to, it's a conversation people aren't ready for.
Um, people are still, you know, are UAP real and, you know, I've spoken
to several, um, you know, experiencers who clearly have post traumatic
stress from their experiences.
who gain nothing from saying this because they don't want to go public.
Uh, who you can see in their eyes are absolutely terrified.
Of what they went through and who hide that from even, uh, the
people closest to them, you know?
So it's, uh, you know, it's people who begin to speak about it and then break
down because they can't continue and you have to like pry it out of them because
they're not willing to give it up.
They just don't want to even utter the words because of how traumatic it was.
Like these types of experiences are numerous, it's terrifying.
Travis Bader: Whitley Yeah, Whitley Strieber.
Yeah, absolutely.
Absolutely.
There is.
Absolutely.
As a kid, I read those, uh, Communion and watched Christopher Walken play the role.
And I don't think I slept with the lights off for a while after that one.
I think it was 12, 10, 11 around there.
Chris Ramsay: Absolutely.
And you know, there are, again, like I said, thousands
of experiences, very similar.
And many comparisons can be, can be drawn.
And, uh, you know, those are only the people who are willing to speak about it.
Uh, and so, yeah, there, there does seem to be some type of genetic program.
Uh, and I don't know whether or not there are factions of the government that are
aware of that, or if there is a separate genetic program, you know, happening
within the government, those are all speculatory, you know, conversations,
um, which I'm happy to indulge.
But again, I won't, you know, I won't definitively say anything is anything.
I'm not in a position to say that, uh, but I'm just, I'm having fun connecting
the dots and I find it really interesting that there are a lot of people saying
the same things with nothing to gain.
I think that's just an interesting data point.
Travis Bader: Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, here's one that we kind of touched on.
I'd love to hear his thoughts on what it is.
Extraterrestrial, interdimensional, time traveler theories.
Which does he feel is most likely?
Chris Ramsay: Yeah, I think all of the above.
Yeah.
I think, um, as, as far as I'm concerned with the information that we're
given, it could be a number of things.
And so I say, why not just be everything then?
Um, and I think that, Is probably, you know, a, uh, a good enough, a good enough
place to, to be, uh, far better than thinking nothing's up, you know, so I
just kind of like, all right, let's.
Consider all these things.
I think they're all interesting.
You know, I gave an analogy early on in one of my videos talking
about like how I see the phenomenon.
And for me, it's like about letting people into my house.
So like, I know remote viewing, I've gotten to know remote viewing.
I spent a year, you know, doing it.
And I've spoken to people, credible people, and I've done it myself.
So remote viewing, you can come in, you can come into my house.
You know, I know you.
Astral projection or out of body.
I also gotten to know you, you can come in.
Um, you know, for me, Bigfoot still got to stay in the yard.
I'm not, I'm not saying I don't believe you.
I just don't know you like that.
My friends vouch for you.
They say you're a good guy.
They say you're real.
I just don't have that relationship with you yet.
So you're, you can't come in.
That's just how I, but, but I'll definitely like,
You're allowed in the yard.
You can be on the front porch, you know, and that's kind of
how I treat a lot of these.
I like that analogy.
Yeah, it's kind of how I treat a lot of these situations, uh, in the realm
of consciousness, Psy or NHI or UAP.
Unless I get to really know you, you can't come in.
Hmm.
Um, but you'll, you'll be in the yard.
I'm aware of you.
I'll hear you out.
But yeah, that's about as far as I'm willing to go.
Travis Bader: Hmm.
Um, yeah, I think there's some, some cool analogies on that.
Uh, I remember a fellow saying, uh, you know, we had two forms of life.
We had plant life, we got animal life, right.
And then they got the microscope and they said, okay, hold on, hold on.
There's another form of life out here.
And they're saying, well, perhaps what we're looking at now is just
needs a different way to look at it.
And I think quantum entanglement was one of the things that came
up and they're talking about.
How, um, we're learning things about quantum entanglement.
One spins one way at a lot and you change direction, it'll change the other one.
And so, well, maybe we're just, maybe we're just looking at the same thing.
It's like a, uh, what was it?
A, uh, a goldfish looking out and you put two monitors on either
side of its, uh, um, goldfish tank and a video camera on it.
And it'll see itself moving and doing two different things.
Two completely different views, but it's, it's all the same thing.
So I thought that was kind of an interesting, uh, analogy.
Chris Ramsay: Yeah.
You have to leave room for, uh, you know, that, that new perspective.
Uh, but at the same time, you know, I don't want to, I don't want to make it
a, cause that's, that's the thing with these things, it can be a floodgate.
You let one person in your house and all of a sudden it's an open
house party and there's, you know, reptilians digging through the fridge.
So you got to watch out where you draw that line and really, you know, get to
know something before you commit entirely.
That's been the main focus of like my current journey is like to really get
to know it myself, uh, you know, before I come to any type of conclusion and
that conclusion, I hope bears no weight on anyone else's personal journey.
I just want to document my journey.
Travis Bader: So we had questions about ontological shock, but I
think you've, you've covered those.
Um, one interesting one, um, fellow I've been talking with, he was
introduced to me through a friend of mine and he is an ardent believer,
but he's also not a believer in the current, uh, disclosure program.
He talks about, uh, Bigelow Enterprises and Bass and monetary.
Yeah.
Uh, all of this stuff.
And he says he was, um, involved with Lou Alessandro and, um, uh, ready to do some,
uh, work on that side until he reached a point where he felt that he was basically
the, uh, useful idiot is what he said.
He says, I was a staunch believer.
I really wanted to do something here.
Uh, but I felt I was being portrayed or used to achieve a means that wasn't.
What was being sold to the general public
Chris Ramsay: in the program he was involved in.
Travis Bader: He was involved in, uh, well, I don't know.
I guess I'll talk to him further to see, I don't think he was in the program.
He was involved in, um,
Chris Ramsay: but he saw himself as a useful idiot in the
program that he was involved in.
Travis Bader: Yes.
Uh, and I guess that goes to my question to you would be, are
you approaching these things with an eye towards, am I being used?
Am I, are people trying to use my platform to disseminate a message that, uh, um, it
would just be self fulfilling for them.
Chris Ramsay: It's a
Travis Bader: good question, man.
I don't know.
It never crossed my mind till this guy brought it up.
Chris Ramsay: Yeah.
That's a big responsibility, you know, it
Travis Bader: is.
Chris Ramsay: Yeah.
How would you answer that?
Travis Bader: Well, if I was in your shoes, um, and, uh, Had your
following and your background.
I think you're approaching it in a way that's a very fair.
You you're coming up with your ideas and your, um, uh, based on
things that you see, hear, touch, feel, believe, and you're not
trying to sell anything to anybody.
Um, that doesn't mean you can't be used and that doesn't mean your plat platform
can't be, uh, but to shut yourself off completely, to completely protect
yourself would be to shut that door.
And I don't think that's a viable option.
So that, that would be, that would be my perspective.
Chris Ramsay: Yeah, I agree with that.
I'll go with that.
Okay.
Yeah.
I mean, I mean, it's just, um, you know, people's people's own perspective is
just such a tough thing to navigate in a society that thrives off of semantics.
Travis Bader: And,
Chris Ramsay: um, it is, it is tough being put in a position where
you have, whether you like it or not, uh, a modicum of influence.
You know, especially when it comes to things so deep to people's belief that
are, that are literally tied to people's reason for being here, you know, you got
to be very careful with all that stuff and make it, I think, very clear to
people that, you know, for me, this is my journey, that's it, that's all it is,
that's, it's nothing more, and it is a literal, uh, selfish, creative expression.
that I have, um, that, that, that, that's it.
That's all there is.
It's entertainment for me.
Um, you know, I'm not, I'm not here to say, Oh, like, of course I want
answers, but again, they're for me.
And, um, that being said, I don't think.
I think it's wise not to exclude entertainment as a viable mean, means
of, uh, being insightful or enlightening.
Mm hmm.
Uh, you know, we have great people like George Carlin, you know, who've
taught me, uh, the, um, importance of Question the government.
Yeah.
We'll question Yeah.
Well, I mean, George Orwell made me question the government.
Yeah.
George Carlin made me, uh, question societal norms.
Yeah.
Good point.
Um, and then, you know, George, the three Georges and George Lucas made me, you
know, uh, think of other intelligent life in the universe and wonder about that.
And those are all three different forms of entertainment.
And I think entertainment brings an immense value to, uh,
people in times of uncertainty.
It allows us to broaden our perspectives through imagination.
Uh, it might not get you to change your mind on something, but it can plant
a seed that might end up, you know, growing into something wonderful, you
know, within your, within your own life and, and your own perspectives.
And so that's all I want my content and my message to be is it's entertainment.
It's for my own selfish gain of, of, you know, personal, uh, creative expression.
Um, uh, if it pays the bills, it pays the bills.
Um, but yeah, by no means do I take responsibility, uh, or want
responsibility for, you know, actively changing someone's current paradigm.
Um,
Travis Bader: yeah.
Very well said, Chris.
Um, is there anything that we haven't talked about that
we should be talking about?
Chris Ramsay: Hmm.
Good question.
Uh, we covered quite a bit.
I, I would give another shout out to telepathy tapes.
I think it's a very interesting, I'm, I'm halfway through it.
Um, but it's very interesting.
I think your, your viewers will get a kick out of it too.
It's a cool podcast that you should listen to it.
And maybe something we can talk about in the future, but it's something
I'm heavily interested in right now.
And, um, yeah, it's, uh, it's, it's, I think going to be.
Um, brought up quite a bit as time goes on.
So look out for that.
Travis Bader: Okay.
I, uh, I will commit to, uh, exploring that and, uh, listening to it.
Awesome.
That's, uh, I'll do that.
Chris Ramsay: Don't chat GPT.
Travis Bader: Uh, you figured me out already.
Chris, thank you so much for being on the Silvercore podcast.
I really enjoyed this conversation.
Chris Ramsay: Dude.
Thank you so much for having me, for being so open, so
welcoming, allowing me to rant.
Uh, you've been such a grace, uh, gracious host, great questions.
Um, I can, I can tell you sincerely care about your guests, your audience.
And so, you know, that resonates with me on a very deep level.
So I appreciate you.
I appreciate what you're doing and I am thankful for being on your podcast
and thank you to your audience for, uh, for giving me a voice as well.
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