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Travis Bader: I've lost track of the
number of times I've sat around a

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campfire and discussed with others strange
things that we've heard, things that

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we've seen that we just can't explain.

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Case in point, there's a video I'm
playing right now, if you're watching

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this instead of listening, of
Unidentified object flying in the air.

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This video was taken by a friend,
highly reputable, and is going to be

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referenced later on in the podcast.

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These odd phenomena may have a
simple explanation and it may

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just elude us at this time.

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But it drove me to want to
investigate a little bit deeper.

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And this was the advent
of today's podcast.

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We're joined today by a fellow who's
dedicated so much time and energy

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to Helping people understand things
that are beyond comprehension.

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If you haven't already heard of today's
guest, I would highly recommend.

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Check out the links in the bio it's
area 52 and with Christmas just around

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the corner, if you haven't found that
certain gift for that special someone,

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or maybe you're looking for something for
yourself, there's links in the bio should

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be a link up top here somewhere as well.

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The Silvercore club is specifically
designed to help get you outside safely,

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comfortably, and allow you to deepen your
connection with the natural environment.

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Without further ado, let's
get on with the podcast.

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I'm joined today by a master of
mystery and exploration, someone who's

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captivated millions with his sleight of
hand, his deep dives into the world's

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most intricate puzzles, and now his
exploration of the unknown with Area 52.

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Whether it's unlocking the secrets of
a puzzle box, performing impossible

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feats of magic, or delving into the
mysteries of UAPs and consciousness,

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his work challenges us to see the world.

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Differently.

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Welcome to the Silvercore
podcast, Chris Ramsey.

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Chris Ramsay: Thank you so
much for that introduction.

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My goodness.

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I didn't know you were going
that hard in the paint.

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That is a much appreciated.

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Travis Bader: We've got to start it off.

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Right.

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You know, you

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Chris Ramsay: got a
good reading voice too.

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I mean, your audience knows this
already, but yeah, very soothing.

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Travis Bader: You know, the, the
number one comment that I get back

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regarding my voice is, uh, what is it?

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Uh, Neil deGrasse Tyson.

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They say I sound like a
white Neil deGrasse Tyson.

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Chris Ramsay: Yeah.

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Like a Canadian version.

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I don't wait.

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Is he Canadian?

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He's not Canadian.

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Is he?

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Travis Bader: I don't know.

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Um, I honestly don't know.

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I should look into it, but,
uh, yeah, I've heard that one.

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Yeah.

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So I've, I've been
following you for a while.

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Um, so when I was a kid, my very
first job was performing magic.

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I, yeah, yeah.

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I started grade four.

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I learned how to pick locks in grade four.

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I love the puzzle of picking
locks and getting into things

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that I really shouldn't be into.

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And I started doing magic then
as well and did that grade

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four, grade five, grade six.

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And, Then moved on to mowing
lawns and washing cars and

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delivering papers and all the rest.

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But, uh, I've always kind of had
that little bit of interest into

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the world of magic and your.

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That's where you started.

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You started with that
with YouTube, didn't you?

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Chris Ramsay: Yep.

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Absolutely.

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Got into that, uh, I think
maybe a dozen years ago now.

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Um, you know, I've been much like
you and I think like a lot of young

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boys, especially like we're for
some reason attracted to being a spy

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or, you know, a superhero of sorts
and, you know, most of the time.

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We outgrow that.

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Uh, not my case, we're still, we're still,
you know, uh, still, still attracted to

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that in some way, you know, but that's
also the reason why we'd like these

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type of movies and why we like imagining
ourselves in these precarious positions.

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Uh, you know, You know, um, or, or why we
have this affinity for these gadgets, you

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know, like, uh, these little intricate
electronics or, or every day carry it.

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I think it all stems back to like our
childhood dream of becoming a spy or

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some, you know, secret government project
of human enhancement or something.

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Like it's, it's what we all really want.

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You know, and then we settle for
life, but like, if somebody came

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out of the shadows, it was like, Mr.

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Ramsey.

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You know, I'm, I'm in
the CIA come with us.

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I'd be like, I drop everything.

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A

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Travis Bader: hundred percent.

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I'm on board.

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Let's go.

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Chris Ramsay: So that's, I think
that's where the love of, you know,

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magic comes from for me is like being
able to sort of in a way be a spy,

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be, you know, pretend to be something
I'm not, uh, and get away with it.

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And there's something really
cool about that and very fun

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and like exhilarating about it.

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Travis Bader: I heard that when
you go traveling, you will do your

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best to To impersonate the, the
language as best as possible, to

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see if someone calls you out or not.

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Chris Ramsay: Yeah.

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I've done it a bunch of times,
especially like in England.

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Uh, in those places.

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Um, yeah, absolutely.

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I think it's, you know, it's,
it's just like my fun little game

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that I'm like, well, you know,
there are, and, and obviously.

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They believe no matter what you say, no
matter how bizarre your accent is, they'll

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just say, Oh, he was, you know, he was
raised in a strange household, I guess.

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But, you know, it's just like this
fun little game, but again, not

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too far from being a magician.

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You know, we're pretending to
do magic is what we're doing.

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Uh, so I think, uh, the same
time, the truer I am to that

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fiction, the more immersive the
experience is for the audience.

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Uh, if I don't commit
fully to, you know, such a.

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Uh, a persona that will be sensed
by the audience and therefore

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the magic won't play as well.

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And so I think, you know, it's, it's
a magician's job to, again, we're not

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lying if we're true to our fiction.

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So we're both aware that magic isn't real.

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So let's get that out of the way.

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Now I'm going to pretend to be a
magician instead of actually convincing

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you that I have magic powers, right?

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Which is a no, no.

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So it's, there's this like balancing
act, but it does come down to, I

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think, um, a bit of a perf, uh, like
it's a performance art and you have

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to fully commit with these things.

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Travis Bader: See, that was my, from
an outsider's perspective looking in, I

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wouldn't have put two and two together
about being the James Bond sleuth spy.

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Uh, but I see it now when I look at your
work and I see, I definitely see that.

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Uh, but the thing that jumps out to me is
that you're an artist first and foremost.

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Chris Ramsay: Yeah, there's a, there's
definitely, there's definitely like,

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yeah, I mean, I think I, I'm just
someone who selfishly needs to create.

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Um, you know, and that's always, always,
always, always been a, you know, a problem

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and a gift or like whatever it is, it's,
it's been, but it's been a reality for me.

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And I think for a lot of creatives out
there, you probably yourself included,

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um, there's just that unrelenting,
unrelenting, Uh, need to create, to,

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to, to express yourself selfishly, uh,
in a weird way, you know what I mean?

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And that's why like, I have a hard
time accepting, you know, some forms of

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compliments when it comes to my stuff.

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Cause some people are like, Oh, you
know, you helped me out during a rough

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time or, you know, I turned to your
videos during COVID or whatever it was.

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Right.

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And.

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For myself, I'm like, cool.

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And I appreciate that and truly am like
appreciative of that type of energy.

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But at the same time, I have a hard
time accepting a compliment like that.

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Cause like for me, the main
goal wasn't to inspire you.

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The main goal was to share
what I'm passionate about.

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In a selfish, creative way,
because that's all I want to do.

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The side effect is helping
people out, which I love.

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I love that that's the side effect.

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But I will never say, like, that's
why I do it, for people like you.

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Like, I, I just don't, I'm, I'm selfish.

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I, I do it because I feel a creative need.

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I have to get it out, you know?

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And that's just the way it is.

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Travis Bader: Are you emotionally
invested in the things that you create

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to the point where if it doesn't hit
the way that you figure it should,

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that, uh, that starts changing
how you'll create the next one or.

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Chris Ramsay: Yeah, yes, yes.

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And no, like there is a line that
you have to separate yourself

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from, I think, from your content.

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Uh, you know, your content as
much as it is an extension of

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who you are and your expression.

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You also have to remember that,
you know, I'm doing it for me.

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I'm literally doing this for me.

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I'm doing this because I enjoy
it because it brings me joy.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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You know, uh, success will come from it
or, you know, all these other cool things.

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But like, the main thing is, is
like, I have to really enjoy this.

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And so I think once you have that, it
becomes a lot easier to accept criticism

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because you're like, sometimes, you
know, and sometimes I'm like, when a

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lot of people say things, I'm like,
okay, I guess I didn't see it like that.

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And, you know, okay, maybe it
was something to think about.

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But most of the times I'm just delusional
and I'll just be like, just wait.

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You don't understand the full vision yet.

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That's why you're, you're
saying this, you know?

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So I do have that side of me as well.

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But, um, yeah, I think as I grow older,
I try not to put as much value on the.

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Comments of others when it comes
to my own art, I just think that

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the more you do that, the more
you stray from your own path.

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And that can be positive
criticism as well.

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You know, it's not just simply all
the negative stuff, but sometimes,

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you know, when people are like,
do this again, or keep doing this,

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that will also shape your path.

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And I, you know, for me, it's
very important that I follow that

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initial vision that I had, which
got me here in the first place.

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Um, because I, I have found myself.

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Being detracted and, you know,
onto listening to what people want.

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And then eventually all I'm doing
is like feeding this monster.

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Totally.

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Uh, so, you know, it's, it's
important to really just, you know,

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make yourself happy in the process.

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Travis Bader: So when you say that
success will follow, you go out, you

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follow your passion, success will follow.

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And I believe that.

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And I've always said that.

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I mean, if you chase money, You're
always going to be chasing money.

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You're always going to be behind it.

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If you chase fame, you're
always going to be behind it.

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It's just like, I want to be happy.

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Well, you're presupposing you
aren't and you're chasing something.

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Um, what is success look like to you?

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You know,

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Chris Ramsay: um, I don't, I don't
think there's a goal, you know, I

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don't think there's an end goal.

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In that sense, I never
really had an end goal.

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Um, I, you know, the cliche thing
would be to like, the journey

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is the destination type deal.

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Like that's, that's the,
that's the whole point of this.

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And you know, there's, there's a lot,
there's a lot to think about, especially

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in recent years when, you know, I've
gained, uh, a certain type of, Uh,

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success due to the work that I did, uh,
monetarily, but also like, you know,

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I'll travel, I'll get like the cool
experiences and all these other things.

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And at the end of the day,
you're still wanting, right?

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You're still wanting.

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So it's like, what are,
what am I wanting then?

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Like, what is there to attain?

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Like in, I guess there's more, I
guess there's more, but at the end

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of the day, you really have to be
sort of happy with the little things.

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And, you know, like, like you said,
You can chase that money, but,

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you know, for me, I have a lot of
fun just doing what it is I do.

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And then when I, when I'm
in it, I'm enjoying it.

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I'm I'm in that.

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And for me, that's the whole point.

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Um, because other than that, I'm just
going to keep chasing the next thing.

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And I'm, I'm kind of sick of it.

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I'm kind of, you know, I'm,
I'm, I'm sick of that being,

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being in that hamster wheel.

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And just, I just want to make cool shit.

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That's basically

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Travis Bader: it.

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All right.

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I can see that, you know, it was, uh,
famously Rockefeller was quoted, uh,

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reporter says, man, you got so much money.

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How much more do you need?

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And he says, 1 more.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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It's stuck in that.

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What, just one more, just one more.

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Yeah.

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And you can bury him with all that

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Chris Ramsay: money too, at the end
of the day, you know, that's it.

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What do you got?

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Yeah.

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There's that, there's that old joke
where like this, the widow, you know,

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she was like, uh, the husband was
like greedy and he's like, I want

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you to bury me with all my money.

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Yeah.

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And so she signed a check in
his coffin and was like, you

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can cash it whenever you want.

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Travis Bader: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's about as worthless as that is.

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Yeah.

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Money has always been an interesting
thing for me, you know, growing up,

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didn't have much and, uh, always.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And, uh, I, um, it's, I I've
never placed much value in it.

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I, the more I build, the more I
have, it's like that fight club

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thing, what you own owns you, right?

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The more things that you, um, acquire
and I've, you know, growing up,

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I was always a bit of a hoarder.

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Cause like I got something, I worked
so hard to get it and I got to hold

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onto this thing and I can't let it go.

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And, um, it was funny recently.

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I was actually a couple of days
ago cleaning out some old books.

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I came up with a few here.

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Uh, From when I was performing
magic secrets, Houdini.

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Um, Magic with cards.

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I don't know if you've
seen any of these ones.

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Um, Mark Wilson's
complete course in magic.

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Have you seen these ones before?

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I've not, no, these are new to me.

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Magic digest.

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This was, this was, these were
my Bibles when I was a kid.

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101 amazing magic tricks.

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Wow.

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This is great.

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But here's one that, uh,
you might actually know.

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Um, it's called, um, Magic is dead.

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There you go, my buddy, Ian.

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Yeah.

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Tell me about that one.

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That's kind of a neat one.

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Chris Ramsay: Yeah, that's a fun, uh,
this is a fun period of my life where,

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um, you know, everything was, it was
at the height of like the magic stuff,

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not only for myself, but I think for
magic, uh, in general online, well,

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niches in general, I think about.

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2017, 2016 to 2019 was a bit of a,
um, I would say just for every single

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niche was everything was blown up.

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Everything, you could look at every niche
and it was just, you know, whether it

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was kendama or whether it was any other
skill based hobby or anything at all,

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the niches were just growing and magic
was really gaining a lot of popularity.

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And during that time.

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Uh, I'd go to this convention
in Blackpool, England, a

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real shithole of a place.

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And sorry, shout out to people who live
in Blackpool, but you know what I mean.

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It's like, it's like if
Chernobyl and Vegas had a baby.

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It's really bizarre and depressing.

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Um, a lot of crime, just gross.

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Anyways, um, sorry to
all the black people.

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You know what I'm saying though, right?

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As a tourist, like you understand.

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So anyways, there's this convention there
that, that houses about 4, 000 magicians.

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The biggest magic convention in the
world is held in this beautiful hall in

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Blackpool, um, and the winter gardens.

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It's just absolutely beautiful.

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And I had a friend, well, who's now
a friend, but a person reached out to

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me, Ian Fresh, who is a journalist.

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And he was writing a story.

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I pitched him on this, but basically,
a story for Wired magazine, Um,

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about this secret organization
within magic, this sort of, I guess,

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brotherhood or fraternity of, uh,
magicians, uh, known as the 52.

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And, um, it was something I was a part
of along with a bunch of other magicians.

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And we wouldn't really share,
you know, anything about it.

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And he thought, man, this
is a really cool story.

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This is like, you know,
underground magic stuff.

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And I was like, yeah.

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And I'm like, this stuff is cool.

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Like if you're coming in from the outside,
look, going to a magic convention,

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you're probably like, what is that even?

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Right.

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So, um, you know, but it's just like
any other conventions, people selling

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things, buying things and, you know,
trading information and just, you know,

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Being really passionate about, you know,
what it is they love and sharing that.

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So I bring him along and he starts
writing this story and we did some

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really amazing things to this guy.

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Uh, by the end of which, like
we said, we're going to turn

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this guy into a magician.

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Like we felt it, he got the
bug and sure enough, he did

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start practicing after that.

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And, um, yeah, we did things to him
that like, I mean, I ended up paying

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for a A bar tab with napkins, uh,
which like kind of blew his mind.

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Um, and we got into, yeah, we got into
another, we got into a club, um, which

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had like a massive lineup on the outside.

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And I got 20 magicians in all
dudes, like no curls in front

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of that line by doing magic.

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And then like, I remember at one
point, it was such a cool like

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culmination of everything, but the,
uh, we had a photographer with us

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who had this, you know, big camera
with a flashbulb and whatever.

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And, uh, we get into the
club, it's jam packed.

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There's like a dance floor.

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Then there's the bar.

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There's the VIP section, which was
like roped off and wasn't really open.

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And I was like, all right,
camera guy, follow me.

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I want you to follow me through
the dance floor and just like snap

00:17:12.785 --> 00:17:16.505
pictures of me with a flash on and
he's like, he's like, all right, but

00:17:16.505 --> 00:17:18.515
he's like, my card's full right now.

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I was like, don't, don't matter.

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Just doesn't even have to be
pictures and I'll put my hood on.

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You just follow me down through.

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So we did this, everybody.

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Dance floor turning around and be
like, what the hell's going on here?

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And you see a guy trying to hide his
face, get through, we get to the bar.

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We're like, we got to open
that VIP section immediately.

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They're like, no problem, sir.

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They opened the VIP set, they
give us bottle service, you know?

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And so it was all these
like really cool events.

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He was documenting this the whole time.

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And he's like, dude, I
think there's a book here.

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And then he, uh, you know, he, he, he
made, um, magic is dead, which is the

00:17:53.565 --> 00:17:58.415
catchphrase of a buddy of mine, Daniel
Madison, and, um, a magician as well.

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And he wrote that book about his
experience and journey into the 52, where

00:18:03.624 --> 00:18:05.714
he eventually ended up becoming a member.

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Travis Bader: Yeah.

00:18:07.045 --> 00:18:07.305
Yeah.

00:18:08.185 --> 00:18:08.375
Yeah.

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That's pretty cool.

00:18:09.334 --> 00:18:09.605
Yeah.

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The, uh, the proper application of
subterfuge to, uh, to get yourself

00:18:14.314 --> 00:18:16.625
into a, a nightclub that's, um.

00:18:16.625 --> 00:18:16.885
Chris Ramsay: Yeah.

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We use that stuff all the time and
that's what's really cool about hanging

00:18:20.855 --> 00:18:22.624
around magicians is like you finally.

00:18:23.080 --> 00:18:28.590
Get to see, um, the cool side
of magic rather than the hokey,

00:18:28.610 --> 00:18:29.879
you know, hokeyness of it.

00:18:29.879 --> 00:18:30.179
Yeah.

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Travis Bader: Well, like the,
I like the context of it all.

00:18:33.219 --> 00:18:37.970
And then of course, magic isn't dead,
but it's just what magic was, is

00:18:37.970 --> 00:18:40.310
dead compared to what magic is now.

00:18:40.340 --> 00:18:44.620
And I think it's making a, uh, Uh, it
is pushing people's boundaries while

00:18:44.620 --> 00:18:46.330
knowing we're gonna push your boundaries.

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Yeah.

00:18:46.479 --> 00:18:47.620
We're, we're gonna fool you.

00:18:48.240 --> 00:18:50.820
It isn't actually a
black art, but, um, yeah.

00:18:51.620 --> 00:18:54.590
And you're using social media to
be able to, to push that forward.

00:18:54.679 --> 00:18:55.129
Exactly, yeah.

00:18:55.129 --> 00:18:56.570
In a way that people haven't in the past.

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Mm-hmm . You've been vocal on, uh,
social media, even vocal on YouTube

00:19:02.080 --> 00:19:08.440
about some of the, uh, the struggles
of, uh, um, of being a creator and then

00:19:08.440 --> 00:19:10.870
getting locked into these algorithms.

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Mm-hmm . What works one
day doesn't work the next.

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And, uh, how engagement, uh, you can
hit all over, but the actual engagement

00:19:19.889 --> 00:19:22.580
is, is, uh, not where it should be.

00:19:23.129 --> 00:19:28.019
Uh, I thought that was kind of an
interesting, um, a couple of talks

00:19:28.030 --> 00:19:31.929
that I've seen you give on that,
uh, what, what spurred that and

00:19:31.989 --> 00:19:34.139
what are your thoughts on that now?

00:19:34.750 --> 00:19:39.399
Chris Ramsay: Um, I mean, what
spurred it, I think is, is this again,

00:19:40.409 --> 00:19:42.799
there was, there was the height of.

00:19:43.710 --> 00:19:47.100
You know, these niches
where everybody thrived.

00:19:47.800 --> 00:19:49.810
And this isn't me blaming anything.

00:19:49.810 --> 00:19:53.520
I'm just kind of like, uh, this
is my observation recently of, of,

00:19:53.570 --> 00:19:55.550
you know, what the environment was.

00:19:55.939 --> 00:19:59.810
And so there was this where everybody
thrived and then all of a sudden like,

00:19:59.810 --> 00:20:07.160
um, short form content became, uh,
particularly popular, namely TikTok.

00:20:07.160 --> 00:20:08.919
Right.

00:20:09.000 --> 00:20:18.480
And all of a sudden we see
that TikTok became the niche.

00:20:19.489 --> 00:20:19.739
Right.

00:20:19.739 --> 00:20:28.959
So it was far easier for this 12 year
old kid to make TikTok his niche hobby

00:20:30.629 --> 00:20:35.269
than learning car tricks, spending
five years becoming good at something.

00:20:35.269 --> 00:20:35.519
Right.

00:20:35.880 --> 00:20:43.444
So he could instantly gain so much
praise, you know, from one video, just.

00:20:43.745 --> 00:20:49.105
Popping on the algorithm and, and
that was enough to make him addicted

00:20:49.115 --> 00:20:53.605
to that feeling of uploading and
getting that positive feedback

00:20:54.124 --> 00:21:01.164
versus having to put the work in and
earn that positive feedback, right?

00:21:01.204 --> 00:21:05.764
Which is every skill based niche, really,
because you could, you know, you could

00:21:05.764 --> 00:21:11.135
upload your videos prior to that for
years and no one would bat an eye until

00:21:11.135 --> 00:21:13.065
you did something original or worthwhile.

00:21:13.540 --> 00:21:16.550
But the way the algorithm, you
know, is made, it's made to.

00:21:17.265 --> 00:21:19.935
Every now and then, give
you a little nugget.

00:21:22.005 --> 00:21:25.425
Shoot you off into the, so that you're
addicted to this, you know, feeling of,

00:21:25.445 --> 00:21:28.344
uh, validation, external validation.

00:21:28.405 --> 00:21:29.534
Yeah, exactly.

00:21:29.554 --> 00:21:32.414
They give you a free crack rock and
you're like, Ooh, you know, feeling good.

00:21:32.865 --> 00:21:35.574
Kind of, kind of what it is, you
know, you'll be back for more.

00:21:36.335 --> 00:21:40.375
And, um, and so, yeah, it was
just easier for, I think a lot of

00:21:40.385 --> 00:21:44.070
people to make TikTok Their hobby.

00:21:45.540 --> 00:21:51.070
And that stole from everyone
that stole from everyone.

00:21:51.080 --> 00:21:52.120
And I'm not bitter about it.

00:21:52.120 --> 00:21:54.080
I'm like, that's the way
that people want to be.

00:21:54.080 --> 00:21:54.659
That's cool.

00:21:54.970 --> 00:21:59.329
But it did, it did end up taking,
you know, away attention from.

00:21:59.915 --> 00:22:07.635
You know, yo yoing from, you know,
uh, painting vehicles from everything,

00:22:08.405 --> 00:22:12.814
because it's much easier now to just
make a video talking about the basics of

00:22:12.814 --> 00:22:17.225
it and get a million views or to react
to something that somebody else did.

00:22:17.225 --> 00:22:19.514
And rather than putting the
work in, you're going to get

00:22:19.544 --> 00:22:20.734
way more praise that way.

00:22:21.144 --> 00:22:23.214
It's much easier to be popular that way.

00:22:24.015 --> 00:22:28.524
Uh, so, you know, naturally that
sucked away from, from all the niches.

00:22:28.524 --> 00:22:35.199
Thus, we start seeing the You know,
um, the effect of that on YouTube,

00:22:35.539 --> 00:22:40.870
obviously in long form content, um,
myself and other creators have seen it.

00:22:40.889 --> 00:22:46.549
And, you know, so that was my way of
sort of vocalizing to keep up with

00:22:46.549 --> 00:22:50.179
that, with this demand, this incredible.

00:22:51.100 --> 00:22:56.510
Intake and output of content, uh, this
churning of content, really this feeding

00:22:56.510 --> 00:23:00.609
the monster, um, you know, that, that
was really, really difficult and it

00:23:00.610 --> 00:23:07.450
started taking a toll, um, because you
want to keep that level of production.

00:23:07.450 --> 00:23:11.259
You want to keep that, keep up that level
of interest in the sort of zeitgeist

00:23:11.290 --> 00:23:13.240
in the, in the, you know, in that area.

00:23:13.590 --> 00:23:18.650
And so to, to do, to do that, you're
having to produce better content.

00:23:19.195 --> 00:23:25.205
More regularly, which eventually just
becomes extremely exhausting, you know?

00:23:25.205 --> 00:23:27.645
And so you hire people around
you to help you do that.

00:23:28.304 --> 00:23:31.824
But then at the end of the day, now
you're just, your overhead's crazy.

00:23:32.324 --> 00:23:36.894
You're, you're having to pump
out multiple videos that are.

00:23:37.340 --> 00:23:40.710
You know, original enough to
gain some type of traction

00:23:40.950 --> 00:23:43.239
on the algorithm, uh, weekly.

00:23:43.889 --> 00:23:47.230
And, you know, you're having to
do this over and over and over.

00:23:47.650 --> 00:23:52.859
Eventually your creativity starts to
wean, you start losing interest yourself

00:23:52.889 --> 00:23:58.909
because there's really nothing in it for
you other than just making this work.

00:23:59.195 --> 00:24:01.935
And now I'm having to provide
for other people's families

00:24:01.965 --> 00:24:03.195
because I'm locked into this.

00:24:04.685 --> 00:24:08.034
And so now I have a small business
that I have to run with employees.

00:24:08.034 --> 00:24:13.785
And, um, and you know, so first of all,
my heart goes out to anyone who's got a

00:24:13.785 --> 00:24:15.315
business out there, small business owners.

00:24:15.325 --> 00:24:18.925
It's tough to have that type of
responsibility to, to have, you

00:24:18.925 --> 00:24:22.980
know, To take care of other people's
families and they're counting on you.

00:24:22.980 --> 00:24:23.540
You know what I mean?

00:24:23.540 --> 00:24:25.550
So there's that, that pressure as well.

00:24:25.890 --> 00:24:30.589
Um, and on top of that, you
yourself are the product, right?

00:24:30.590 --> 00:24:34.450
Which is a very strange, strange
thing that I have to put out there.

00:24:34.459 --> 00:24:36.969
I constantly have to market myself.

00:24:37.330 --> 00:24:41.270
You know, if I put a hat up on Instagram,
it'll sell a lot less than if I take a

00:24:41.270 --> 00:24:44.030
picture of me wearing the hat, right?

00:24:44.040 --> 00:24:46.790
So there's, there's this constant.

00:24:47.360 --> 00:24:52.170
Uh, need, even if you don't feel like
it to put yourself in front of a camera.

00:24:53.419 --> 00:25:00.129
And I can understand someone not
wanting to do that all the time, right?

00:25:00.129 --> 00:25:03.600
We don't always feel like we're at our
best or, you know, sometimes we just

00:25:03.600 --> 00:25:06.449
feel off or we feel like, you know,
maybe I just don't want to be in front

00:25:06.450 --> 00:25:08.180
of a camera or say how I feel today.

00:25:08.830 --> 00:25:11.150
And so then you're having to
put a face on and you're having

00:25:11.150 --> 00:25:13.710
to, and it just, it accumulates.

00:25:14.379 --> 00:25:17.249
And I did, I've been doing this for
10 years and, you know, so thousands

00:25:17.249 --> 00:25:20.540
of videos are being pumped out.

00:25:20.935 --> 00:25:25.995
Where I have to be this forward
facing positive energy that talks

00:25:25.995 --> 00:25:27.445
about things that don't matter.

00:25:28.185 --> 00:25:28.615
Mmm.

00:25:28.655 --> 00:25:28.965
Right?

00:25:28.985 --> 00:25:34.335
And, and pretend they matter to me when
they're mattering less and less, in fact.

00:25:35.419 --> 00:25:35.989
Travis Bader: Interesting.

00:25:36.050 --> 00:25:36.330
Chris Ramsay: Yeah.

00:25:36.330 --> 00:25:38.989
And so you get to, you get
to a, uh, a critical mass.

00:25:39.020 --> 00:25:43.030
You get to a point where you're
just like, Hey, I, I really have to

00:25:43.040 --> 00:25:45.540
step back for my own mental health.

00:25:46.909 --> 00:25:49.639
And you know, that has
just been my experience.

00:25:49.659 --> 00:25:52.470
I know that other people have
different experiences with social

00:25:52.470 --> 00:25:55.480
media, and I do know that a lot
of people suffer in different

00:25:55.480 --> 00:25:57.770
ways from the offset of, you know.

00:25:58.365 --> 00:26:02.404
social media, whether it's, you know,
online bullying or like, whatever it is,

00:26:02.415 --> 00:26:06.175
there's, there's all, there's a plethora
of problems that this causes in society.

00:26:06.975 --> 00:26:10.205
And so that was my way of just
sort of addressing that and

00:26:10.215 --> 00:26:11.995
making people realize that.

00:26:12.889 --> 00:26:19.840
Even people who post things like myself
are, are not immune to, you know,

00:26:19.840 --> 00:26:25.480
feeling that way and it, I, and, and
also being aware that I know me saying

00:26:25.480 --> 00:26:31.739
this surrounded by, you know, all this
money, you know, or like things like it

00:26:31.750 --> 00:26:35.780
look, it sounds like I'm hypocritical
and I understand the way that that

00:26:35.780 --> 00:26:42.850
looks, but I still, you know, in spite
of that, want to, um, still express my.

00:26:43.670 --> 00:26:47.290
You know, uh, mental state in regards
to all this because it's, uh, it's,

00:26:48.480 --> 00:26:52.160
it's tough in its own way and everybody
struggles in their own way, you know,

00:26:52.380 --> 00:26:54.029
and sort of, it was just that, that's it.

00:26:54.029 --> 00:27:00.180
It was just like my honest take on this
and now, um, I still feel the same way,

00:27:00.860 --> 00:27:08.340
but I've learned to do something and, you
know, Completely shift my content into

00:27:08.340 --> 00:27:09.760
something else that I'm passionate about.

00:27:10.460 --> 00:27:13.580
And it sort of reinvigorated my
love for cinema, reinvigorated

00:27:13.580 --> 00:27:14.700
my love for storytelling.

00:27:15.280 --> 00:27:19.169
Um, and I'm really, really psyched
on it and I spend, you know, a lot

00:27:19.169 --> 00:27:24.680
of time and I really feel like this
is the genesis of something great.

00:27:24.730 --> 00:27:29.020
And I feel the way I felt at the
beginning of creating content again.

00:27:29.060 --> 00:27:29.130
Well,

00:27:29.150 --> 00:27:29.780
Travis Bader: that's cool.

00:27:30.150 --> 00:27:30.840
Chris Ramsay: It's cool.

00:27:31.115 --> 00:27:35.845
But I'm also cognizant that maybe
this isn't the solution to these

00:27:35.845 --> 00:27:40.205
symptoms, you know, maybe, maybe
the right play isn't to just start

00:27:40.205 --> 00:27:42.625
over, but it feels good, you know?

00:27:42.625 --> 00:27:43.004
Yeah.

00:27:43.585 --> 00:27:44.095
Travis Bader: Yeah.

00:27:44.555 --> 00:27:47.255
It's when you, when you have something
that you're passionate about and you

00:27:47.264 --> 00:27:52.945
turn that into a business, then you have
to chase those aspects of that business

00:27:53.635 --> 00:27:56.875
because they need attention that you
might not be quite as passionate about.

00:27:57.175 --> 00:28:00.004
And unfortunately, as it grows, like
you say, you get that overhead, you

00:28:00.005 --> 00:28:01.315
get other people working with you.

00:28:02.030 --> 00:28:03.610
How many people are on
your team right now?

00:28:03.650 --> 00:28:06.400
Chris Ramsay: So we used to
be, uh, I think seven total.

00:28:06.450 --> 00:28:07.980
And now we're down to like three.

00:28:08.370 --> 00:28:13.040
I had to, I had to lay people off,
but you know, I did it in a way.

00:28:13.340 --> 00:28:14.690
I was actually really proud of this.

00:28:14.690 --> 00:28:19.789
And while it wasn't, it was just
something I had to do, but, um, I had

00:28:20.079 --> 00:28:26.105
kept Uh, some money aside for that event
so that it wouldn't come to a point

00:28:26.105 --> 00:28:29.345
where I just laid everybody off and
everybody would be kind of like screwed.

00:28:29.814 --> 00:28:33.625
Uh, so everybody left with, you
know, a healthy, uh, severance and,

00:28:33.635 --> 00:28:35.185
uh, it was, it was on good terms.

00:28:36.070 --> 00:28:39.460
Um, and I still contract
those people today.

00:28:40.600 --> 00:28:42.940
So it's like, technically they're
actually making more money than

00:28:42.940 --> 00:28:46.320
they ever have because they got
the severance plus the contract.

00:28:46.320 --> 00:28:46.550
Right.

00:28:46.960 --> 00:28:48.890
Um, but that was the idea for me.

00:28:48.890 --> 00:28:51.800
It was very important to really take care
of those around me first and foremost.

00:28:51.820 --> 00:28:54.180
And I did want to be in a position
where I couldn't do that anymore.

00:28:55.415 --> 00:28:59.524
So before it got to that point, I
wanted to have that difficult talk, you

00:28:59.524 --> 00:29:01.784
know, and get that, uh, get that done.

00:29:01.784 --> 00:29:02.004
Yeah.

00:29:02.574 --> 00:29:05.935
Travis Bader: I think that speaks volumes
to your character and you know, it also

00:29:05.935 --> 00:29:10.664
speaks to something that I've, I believe
firmly in, in that business is personal

00:29:10.884 --> 00:29:11.954
people like, oh, it's just business.

00:29:11.965 --> 00:29:12.664
It's not personal.

00:29:12.664 --> 00:29:14.054
Well, no, it's business.

00:29:14.175 --> 00:29:17.865
Built off of relationships, those
relationships take time to establish.

00:29:17.865 --> 00:29:18.745
It takes trust.

00:29:19.025 --> 00:29:22.305
I, I think if you're going to have a
long term business, something that's

00:29:22.305 --> 00:29:23.985
going to stand the test of time.

00:29:24.565 --> 00:29:24.965
Yeah.

00:29:24.985 --> 00:29:26.174
Business is personal.

00:29:27.435 --> 00:29:32.455
Um, and you know, the, the values
that you've displayed and things

00:29:32.455 --> 00:29:35.864
like that will obviously heed you
well, as you move into the future.

00:29:36.649 --> 00:29:40.550
Um, I remember at one point you put
out, and this is going back a little

00:29:40.550 --> 00:29:46.149
bit, but you put out a trick that, uh,
uh, you put time, money, energy in,

00:29:46.230 --> 00:29:49.329
got ready to sell it and had to pull
it from the shelves because people

00:29:49.330 --> 00:29:51.530
said, that's too close to my trick.

00:29:51.810 --> 00:29:55.520
And you could have taken any
number of routes on that one.

00:29:55.620 --> 00:29:56.129
And.

00:29:57.030 --> 00:29:57.830
Do you want to talk about that one?

00:29:58.120 --> 00:29:58.420
Chris Ramsay: Yeah.

00:29:58.420 --> 00:30:03.660
I mean, yeah, there's nothing really
much to add to that, but yeah, I, I, I

00:30:03.660 --> 00:30:07.609
did disagree a little bit with how close
it was, I think, to the other product.

00:30:07.610 --> 00:30:11.500
But I think if someone feels,
you know, it's, I just don't want

00:30:11.500 --> 00:30:14.020
to deal with, uh, the fallout.

00:30:14.409 --> 00:30:20.300
Um, I'd rather, again, it's like,
what's worth more to me, you know,

00:30:20.570 --> 00:30:26.990
some money Or a relationship,
you know, and, and it's just an

00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:27.860
Travis Bader: easy call.

00:30:29.070 --> 00:30:29.520
I get it.

00:30:30.370 --> 00:30:34.310
Um, yeah, I guess one last little thing
on the magic side, I'll chat about,

00:30:34.310 --> 00:30:37.849
and then segues into something else and
then get into the meat and potatoes of

00:30:37.850 --> 00:30:39.510
what I really want to talk about here.

00:30:39.879 --> 00:30:45.200
But, uh, you know, as, as a kid, uh, grade
four, five, six, I'd perform magic for

00:30:45.560 --> 00:30:49.310
other kids, birthday parties, kids who are
like grade two, grade three, around there.

00:30:49.310 --> 00:30:54.570
And, um, I found that, uh, Between
that and the chemistry, because I

00:30:54.570 --> 00:30:55.850
thought chemistry was pretty cool.

00:30:55.850 --> 00:30:59.810
If I can make ink disappearing ink
with phenolphthalein solution, or if

00:30:59.810 --> 00:31:03.120
I can make things blow up with stuff
I find underneath my kitchen sink,

00:31:03.120 --> 00:31:05.100
I mean, I was pretty jazzed, right?

00:31:05.110 --> 00:31:08.070
So between those, those
couple of, uh, passions.

00:31:08.080 --> 00:31:08.579
Chris Ramsay: Spice shit.

00:31:09.449 --> 00:31:09.899
Totally.

00:31:09.969 --> 00:31:10.249
Yeah.

00:31:11.140 --> 00:31:11.360
Travis Bader: Yeah.

00:31:11.360 --> 00:31:14.860
And I mean, like my father used
to bring back, uh, briefcases.

00:31:14.860 --> 00:31:17.580
He was working for a coordinated
law enforcement unit.

00:31:17.580 --> 00:31:21.549
They call it clue at the time and,
uh, doing all the sneaky peeky stuff.

00:31:21.550 --> 00:31:24.300
I'm like, it's a phone and
it fits in the briefcase.

00:31:24.300 --> 00:31:25.039
Are you kidding me?

00:31:25.039 --> 00:31:25.890
This thing's cool.

00:31:27.349 --> 00:31:32.620
And, uh, But, um, or, or the night
vision or the, or the different things,

00:31:32.620 --> 00:31:38.560
but I would advertise in the local
paper, uh, one time the school says,

00:31:39.220 --> 00:31:45.930
um, I went to about seven, I think
six, seven, eight different schools.

00:31:46.050 --> 00:31:49.659
Uh, I think you went to a number as well,
which is kind of where this is the segue

00:31:49.660 --> 00:31:53.030
to, but one of them was a private school.

00:31:53.180 --> 00:31:57.910
It's supposed to help kids who are
pretty hyper off the walls, troublesome,

00:31:57.920 --> 00:32:00.160
getting everything but schooling.

00:32:00.770 --> 00:32:04.140
And as a sales pitch, they had a
bunch of parents coming in and they

00:32:04.440 --> 00:32:07.280
were going to show the best of the
best and showcase the kids playing

00:32:07.280 --> 00:32:09.580
the violin and doing their talents.

00:32:09.580 --> 00:32:11.250
I'm like, this is perfect.

00:32:11.420 --> 00:32:15.160
I could totally network with all these
other adults who have kids, and this

00:32:15.160 --> 00:32:20.100
will be a perfect market for my, my magic
act and school wouldn't let me perform.

00:32:20.200 --> 00:32:21.520
And so I fought and I pushed it.

00:32:21.520 --> 00:32:23.060
And finally they said, Okay.

00:32:23.110 --> 00:32:27.000
Tell you what, I don't know if we can
trust you up here in front of all the

00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:31.700
parents about doing something weird, but,
um, we'll put, if you agree to having an

00:32:31.700 --> 00:32:36.189
assistant, have the grade D three teachers
stand beside you as you do your magic act.

00:32:36.810 --> 00:32:38.660
Then we'll let you go up there and do it.

00:32:39.450 --> 00:32:39.900
All right.

00:32:39.900 --> 00:32:40.430
Fair enough.

00:32:40.430 --> 00:32:44.780
And this grade three teacher, she, uh,
in my young mind thought she didn't

00:32:44.780 --> 00:32:49.070
like me and was out to sabotage me and
sure enough, each and every trick that

00:32:49.070 --> 00:32:52.430
a young magician can do for an audience
won't look the same for the person

00:32:52.430 --> 00:32:54.050
standing right beside you or behind you.

00:32:54.640 --> 00:32:58.915
And she ruined each one of my tricks
and I'd never, I've been known as a

00:32:58.915 --> 00:33:03.985
guy to swear or to use foul language,
but that changed in front of all of

00:33:03.985 --> 00:33:05.495
those prospective parents that day.

00:33:05.635 --> 00:33:06.145
Uh huh.

00:33:07.155 --> 00:33:07.384
Yeah.

00:33:07.384 --> 00:33:07.724
But.

00:33:07.835 --> 00:33:08.285
Chris Ramsay: Rough.

00:33:08.780 --> 00:33:09.310
Travis Bader: Rough.

00:33:09.330 --> 00:33:10.690
Yeah, but I guess,

00:33:10.750 --> 00:33:12.660
Chris Ramsay: uh, deter
you from pursuing magic

00:33:13.660 --> 00:33:15.750
Travis Bader: that didn't.

00:33:15.790 --> 00:33:19.420
I had a, uh, a couple of acts
that I wasn't proud of when I

00:33:19.420 --> 00:33:22.179
went through, cause I just didn't
practice enough ahead of time.

00:33:22.179 --> 00:33:23.540
It was like disappearing water.

00:33:23.540 --> 00:33:27.020
I did some, the card tricks with
the kids didn't go super great

00:33:27.030 --> 00:33:28.319
unless they're super visual.

00:33:28.319 --> 00:33:32.060
So I guess the Bengali deck or
whatever, just something that's just.

00:33:32.920 --> 00:33:33.820
Uh, right out there.

00:33:33.850 --> 00:33:38.180
And I just, uh, I got involved with,
uh, army cadets and that took most

00:33:38.180 --> 00:33:43.659
of my time afterwards and then, and,
uh, uh, I guess just moved in a bit

00:33:43.659 --> 00:33:49.899
different direction, but you know,
um, that's a roundabout way of talking

00:33:49.899 --> 00:33:53.760
about, uh, moving between different
schools and some difficulties I had.

00:33:54.170 --> 00:33:55.730
And I understand, I think you beat me.

00:33:55.730 --> 00:33:57.460
I think you're what, 12
schools that you went to?

00:33:57.480 --> 00:33:57.960
Chris Ramsay: Something like that.

00:33:57.960 --> 00:33:58.190
Yeah.

00:33:58.855 --> 00:34:01.025
Travis Bader: Yeah, what,
no, I didn't move around.

00:34:01.035 --> 00:34:04.555
It wasn't by my choice that
I was moving between schools.

00:34:04.555 --> 00:34:04.675
Yeah,

00:34:04.675 --> 00:34:05.645
Chris Ramsay: it wasn't my choice either.

00:34:06.015 --> 00:34:06.595
Okay.

00:34:06.935 --> 00:34:07.075
Okay.

00:34:07.465 --> 00:34:09.434
Well, except one of them, one
of them was for basketball.

00:34:10.405 --> 00:34:14.144
Um, but other than that, uh, yeah,
my, my dad's in the military.

00:34:14.144 --> 00:34:17.134
So, you know, we moved around quite a bit.

00:34:17.195 --> 00:34:20.424
Uh, born in Germany, moved
back and forth in Canada.

00:34:20.425 --> 00:34:21.786
I don't know, half a dozen times.

00:34:21.786 --> 00:34:22.564
I don't even know.

00:34:23.675 --> 00:34:26.585
I'd have to like, I have to actively
like go back in my memory and like

00:34:26.585 --> 00:34:27.965
count, but it's like, it's a lot.

00:34:28.015 --> 00:34:31.865
And then, you know, throughout Canada
as well, moved in, uh, several military

00:34:31.865 --> 00:34:35.745
bases and just always lived on, I
was a base brat, always lived on the

00:34:35.884 --> 00:34:38.214
military bases, um, my whole life.

00:34:38.275 --> 00:34:43.574
Um, so, you know, there was a sense
of, you know, and again, this, you

00:34:43.574 --> 00:34:48.660
know, potentially relates to my,
Love for wanting to be a spy, I

00:34:48.660 --> 00:34:55.400
think, uh, because as you're forced
to develop new relationships in,

00:34:55.450 --> 00:35:02.250
you know, new settings as a child,
you're forced to adapt rather rapidly.

00:35:03.365 --> 00:35:06.405
Or be consumed by, you know,
whatever you don't adapt to.

00:35:06.905 --> 00:35:14.515
And, you know, that lesson was brought
upon me very, very swiftly as a child.

00:35:14.545 --> 00:35:17.244
Like, uh, you know, this
is prior to social media.

00:35:17.244 --> 00:35:21.464
So, you know, I didn't know this
was the last time I'd see my friend.

00:35:22.474 --> 00:35:23.474
And you know what I mean?

00:35:23.474 --> 00:35:24.504
Like there was no way.

00:35:24.755 --> 00:35:28.355
connecting to that friend, you know,
other than like maybe taking his

00:35:28.355 --> 00:35:30.365
number calling, but just you're a kid.

00:35:30.365 --> 00:35:31.475
You don't think about this.

00:35:32.185 --> 00:35:37.374
And so, you know, having to be forced
to restart all the time, uh, I think

00:35:37.375 --> 00:35:39.345
it was around grade six or seven.

00:35:39.835 --> 00:35:45.265
I was bullied in, I think it was grade
seven, uh, pretty severely, pretty

00:35:45.365 --> 00:35:50.715
like it was like terrorizing, um,
and which, which really confused me.

00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:54.710
Because prior to that, I was
never, I was never bullied.

00:35:54.710 --> 00:35:58.340
I was never a bully and I was never
in this situation, but this was a

00:35:58.530 --> 00:36:00.129
bigger school than I was used to.

00:36:00.970 --> 00:36:04.690
Uh, usually I'd go to like, uh, the
schools on the, on the bases, which had,

00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:08.830
you know, familiar faces and sometimes,
but it was always small classes.

00:36:08.830 --> 00:36:13.619
And, um, you know, everybody's
parents are overseas or doing things,

00:36:13.879 --> 00:36:15.429
you just like find common ground.

00:36:16.189 --> 00:36:17.550
But this was like a public school.

00:36:17.550 --> 00:36:20.820
Well, they were both public, but this was
like outside of the, outside of the base.

00:36:21.330 --> 00:36:25.890
And, um, I was really miserable and
I remember begging my parents to

00:36:25.890 --> 00:36:28.080
switch schools, uh, because of that.

00:36:28.100 --> 00:36:29.840
So they did end up changing schools.

00:36:30.290 --> 00:36:35.960
And then when I got into the new school,
um, right off the bat, there was like

00:36:36.500 --> 00:36:39.849
two girls that had a crush on me because
I was like the new kid, you know, coming

00:36:39.850 --> 00:36:40.420
Travis Bader: in, the cool

00:36:40.799 --> 00:36:40.899
Chris Ramsay: kid.

00:36:41.649 --> 00:36:45.515
And all of a sudden, People
wanted to be my friend.

00:36:46.205 --> 00:36:48.025
I was like, this is so strange.

00:36:48.305 --> 00:36:52.175
I'm not behaving more like, I'm not
behaving in a manner that, that would

00:36:52.175 --> 00:36:56.985
make me different from, you know, the
person I was last week and yet people's

00:36:57.024 --> 00:36:59.015
opinions of me are so different.

00:36:59.015 --> 00:37:03.164
And it was just some, something that
really struck me as, uh, paradigm

00:37:03.165 --> 00:37:09.294
shifting in that, you know, these
social relationships that I'm having

00:37:10.244 --> 00:37:12.284
are completely different, even though.

00:37:12.725 --> 00:37:14.445
I didn't do anything differently.

00:37:14.445 --> 00:37:18.915
So I, you know, I learned a lot of
really important lessons as a child

00:37:18.915 --> 00:37:24.794
and it forced me to socially develop,
I think, a lot, a lot quicker than,

00:37:24.805 --> 00:37:27.345
than most kids because of that.

00:37:27.385 --> 00:37:34.015
And it allowed me to become a sort of
chameleon in a way, um, in order to

00:37:34.015 --> 00:37:43.295
fit in faster, develop rapport with
people quicker, um, realize, you know,

00:37:43.305 --> 00:37:49.175
when someone's behaving a certain way
and what that signifies, um, you know,

00:37:49.175 --> 00:37:53.865
psychologically, I think, you know, being
amidst all these different situations,

00:37:53.865 --> 00:37:59.694
I can, I could pretty much make out a
character archetype, you know, from, from

00:37:59.694 --> 00:38:03.204
some type of person now and, and, and
relate that to a past experience that

00:38:03.204 --> 00:38:06.524
I've had because I'm not with the same
group of people throughout my whole life.

00:38:07.074 --> 00:38:11.460
So I'm quickly People are filling
slots pretty quickly, and I get to,

00:38:11.960 --> 00:38:15.840
I get to adapt to that, I get to
recognize that, and I think all of that

00:38:15.840 --> 00:38:21.850
eventually played into my advantage on
a social media level, being able to,

00:38:22.740 --> 00:38:28.730
uh, convey, perhaps, these social ideas
in a more concise way to the masses.

00:38:29.630 --> 00:38:37.375
Uh, and, and two, um, As a magician,
being able to adapt to, uh, uncontrollable

00:38:37.375 --> 00:38:39.915
conditions, uh, more rapidly.

00:38:40.365 --> 00:38:45.955
Um, and so this all really played to my
advantage in, in, in where life took me.

00:38:46.740 --> 00:38:51.030
And so, you know, in hindsight, I'm
very grateful, uh, for all the lessons

00:38:51.030 --> 00:38:54.659
that I've learned throughout this,
but as a child, you know, I was, I

00:38:54.660 --> 00:38:59.119
was very spiteful for, for, you know,
you're being uprooted every year, twice

00:38:59.120 --> 00:39:03.779
a year, uh, to a new location, your
life's ruined, you know what I mean?

00:39:03.779 --> 00:39:06.660
As a kid, you're like this
ruined, you're ruining my life.

00:39:07.190 --> 00:39:09.500
It's, you know, and parents
don't think about that.

00:39:09.500 --> 00:39:10.640
Parents are like, nah, what do you mean?

00:39:10.640 --> 00:39:11.240
We're just moving?

00:39:11.240 --> 00:39:13.250
Like, and you're like your friends.

00:39:13.340 --> 00:39:13.610
Yeah.

00:39:13.610 --> 00:39:17.210
As a kid, you're like, my life's over,
you know, over and over and over.

00:39:17.210 --> 00:39:22.520
So, you know, you, you start to, you
start to look at people who've had

00:39:22.520 --> 00:39:26.300
childhood friends and you start to be
envious of them coming into a new school.

00:39:26.540 --> 00:39:30.620
You know, seeing how, how closely
people, uh, are and, uh, how, how

00:39:30.620 --> 00:39:32.765
close they are and how, you know, um.

00:39:33.955 --> 00:39:37.735
How much they're connected and, and
it's just like, I never had that.

00:39:37.735 --> 00:39:37.885
Right.

00:39:37.885 --> 00:39:42.455
So I was always very envious of that,
but on the other side, I would gain

00:39:42.815 --> 00:39:49.754
such knowledge, such profound insight,
um, that I can't be mad at it either.

00:39:49.754 --> 00:39:52.524
And now obviously, you know, it's,
it's a lot different cause I choose

00:39:52.524 --> 00:39:58.145
where to live, but, um, but I'm still
plagued with the need to change.

00:39:58.555 --> 00:40:00.025
And I think that's
where that stemmed from.

00:40:00.090 --> 00:40:06.380
Uh, you know, uh, that, that, that will,
or that sort of need to start over.

00:40:06.920 --> 00:40:07.380
Travis Bader: Mm hmm.

00:40:07.540 --> 00:40:10.730
Chris Ramsay: Um, I think that's where
that comes from and, you know, that,

00:40:10.830 --> 00:40:14.689
that could be me starting a new channel,
you know, again, that could just be

00:40:14.690 --> 00:40:18.469
related to my childhood of wanting to
sort of restart, have something fresh,

00:40:18.469 --> 00:40:22.600
have something new and that need for
that, that sort of wanderlust, um,

00:40:22.610 --> 00:40:25.110
for locations or for experiences.

00:40:25.435 --> 00:40:27.325
Um, so I'm cognizant of that.

00:40:27.325 --> 00:40:28.365
I'm aware of that.

00:40:28.995 --> 00:40:34.364
Uh, and yet, you know, it's, it's
hard to fight the damage that

00:40:34.375 --> 00:40:36.785
nature or nurturing has caused me.

00:40:37.015 --> 00:40:39.685
Uh, but being aware of it, I think
helps me navigate it a bit more.

00:40:40.365 --> 00:40:42.955
Travis Bader: Yeah, well, that was,
you know, it's a prime example of

00:40:42.955 --> 00:40:46.075
changing your location to change
your, to change your life, right?

00:40:47.895 --> 00:40:50.825
Change the environment,
change your external factors.

00:40:50.825 --> 00:40:55.095
And, you know, I think a lot of people
are drawn to this idea of grass being

00:40:55.105 --> 00:40:56.284
greener on the other side of the fence.

00:40:56.285 --> 00:41:00.155
Fence and, uh, well, I'm not happy
here now, but man, over there,

00:41:00.165 --> 00:41:01.355
that that's going to be great.

00:41:01.365 --> 00:41:03.485
And they get over there and
they realize it's pretty cool.

00:41:03.505 --> 00:41:06.165
But after a while, it's kind
of the same thing again.

00:41:06.695 --> 00:41:12.834
Um, what you're, what I, what I see as
an outsider looking in is that you are

00:41:12.834 --> 00:41:17.815
a consummate creator, that you're an
artist and much like me, I, it seems

00:41:17.815 --> 00:41:22.765
like you drive most of your enjoyment
out of the process of creating, of

00:41:22.775 --> 00:41:28.955
building new things, sustaining certain
things, Uh, is, has its own challenges

00:41:28.955 --> 00:41:33.365
and can have its own fun, but the
actual creating of something new and

00:41:33.365 --> 00:41:39.124
exciting is, uh, um, maybe, maybe
the thing that, uh, that you chase.

00:41:39.615 --> 00:41:41.204
Um, I can feel it.

00:41:41.445 --> 00:41:42.545
Chris Ramsay: Yeah, I
would agree with that.

00:41:42.545 --> 00:41:45.269
And you know, I've, I've accepted
that as part of my nature.

00:41:45.270 --> 00:41:50.260
Uh, rather than, you know,
try and deny myself of that.

00:41:50.260 --> 00:41:53.379
I think that that is just
innately part of who I am.

00:41:53.560 --> 00:41:56.100
I am someone who craves new experiences.

00:41:56.820 --> 00:42:01.730
Um, you know, and I balance that with
other things in my life, but I, I try to.

00:42:02.315 --> 00:42:05.065
Not shy away from that a lot of times.

00:42:05.065 --> 00:42:06.595
I try to lean into it.

00:42:06.595 --> 00:42:08.205
It's just who I am, creatively.

00:42:08.205 --> 00:42:13.494
I need to be constantly, um,
you know, stimulating that,

00:42:13.725 --> 00:42:15.845
that side of my brain, I guess.

00:42:15.924 --> 00:42:19.065
And, and, uh, or my soul, or
whatever you want to call it.

00:42:19.094 --> 00:42:21.485
There's like a part of me
that, that craves that.

00:42:21.660 --> 00:42:23.540
And I, I don't ignore that anymore.

00:42:23.540 --> 00:42:29.400
And I, I own up to it and I'm aware
of, you know, the, uh, the sort of

00:42:29.400 --> 00:42:34.539
onslaught that that causes others,
but, um, it, it is part of my nature.

00:42:34.539 --> 00:42:36.379
I'm just, uh, it's stronger than me.

00:42:36.379 --> 00:42:42.200
And, and if I don't adhere to that, then I
find myself being more and more depressed.

00:42:42.210 --> 00:42:48.880
Uh, you know, so I, I, as much as I'm not,
I do, I have learned lessons that like,

00:42:48.880 --> 00:42:56.380
okay, shiny isn't necessarily better,
but, uh, Um, but listening, I think, to

00:42:57.140 --> 00:43:04.039
the little voice inside me that craves,
um, this, it's, I think, I think it all

00:43:04.040 --> 00:43:07.790
comes down to learning something new
for me is what I've bottled it down to.

00:43:07.790 --> 00:43:11.860
It's, it's, it's not so much,
um, Doing something that's

00:43:11.860 --> 00:43:13.180
exhilarating or different.

00:43:13.230 --> 00:43:20.220
It's, it's the ability to, uh, gather new
information and, and really that inspires

00:43:20.220 --> 00:43:23.830
me to want to, to want to do more, to
learn more, to in the creative process.

00:43:23.830 --> 00:43:28.949
And like, I think learning
every time in my past where.

00:43:29.660 --> 00:43:33.220
And this speaks to a little bit what you
were saying when maintaining something.

00:43:33.220 --> 00:43:36.020
See, when you're maintaining something,
you're not necessarily learning anymore.

00:43:36.150 --> 00:43:39.410
You've learned all the risks and now
you're just kind of like, you know,

00:43:39.410 --> 00:43:44.150
you're, you're kind of oiling the
gears, but it's that learning process.

00:43:44.150 --> 00:43:48.780
I think that, that I'm really addicted
to and that's something I've leaned into.

00:43:48.940 --> 00:43:50.840
So I'm always.

00:43:51.155 --> 00:43:55.635
Even on the side, like, you know, even
this stuff, the Area 52 stuff that I'm

00:43:55.635 --> 00:43:58.965
into now, like people think like, well,
this is left field and it isn't for me.

00:43:59.345 --> 00:43:59.905
Not at all.

00:43:59.925 --> 00:44:02.624
It's, it's, it's, it's part of
a whole plethora of other things

00:44:02.624 --> 00:44:06.135
that I'm interested in that I'm
learning on the side off of the

00:44:06.145 --> 00:44:08.215
magic and puzzle, you know, stuff.

00:44:08.625 --> 00:44:12.205
And whether that's, I'm, I'm
currently, you know, learning

00:44:12.205 --> 00:44:13.495
another language as well.

00:44:13.495 --> 00:44:16.655
I'm like, there's all sorts of things
that I'm, I'm really excited about.

00:44:17.510 --> 00:44:21.580
And I'm excited about just soaking up
more information, speaking to interesting

00:44:21.580 --> 00:44:23.450
people, you know, gathering that.

00:44:23.450 --> 00:44:27.849
But the second I'm comfortable and
the second I'm saturated and, and

00:44:27.850 --> 00:44:32.060
just like oil, oiling up the machine
is the second I start getting sad.

00:44:32.060 --> 00:44:37.975
I think as a second, my being is like,
we're so used to consuming new, you

00:44:37.975 --> 00:44:40.880
know, information, I yearn for that.

00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:41.150
Now

00:44:41.460 --> 00:44:43.830
Travis Bader: I can relate
to that a hundred percent.

00:44:43.830 --> 00:44:44.730
I can relate to that.

00:44:44.810 --> 00:44:47.230
It's, um, it's You
know, and, and I'm torn.

00:44:47.230 --> 00:44:50.280
I, I think it's good that you're
just leaning into it, that you're,

00:44:50.350 --> 00:44:54.580
uh, accepting it as something
that, uh, that, uh, drives you.

00:44:55.280 --> 00:45:00.159
It's, um, I don't know, I guess it
could be looked at in a couple of ways.

00:45:00.159 --> 00:45:03.420
Like one, you're, you're constantly
feeding yourself, you're feeding your

00:45:03.420 --> 00:45:07.770
soul, you're feeding your mind, you're
growing, you're, um, or I guess another

00:45:07.770 --> 00:45:09.820
way to look at it is, is it a distraction?

00:45:10.170 --> 00:45:11.860
Is it something that's consuming yourself?

00:45:11.860 --> 00:45:17.340
It's now distracting you from
just being content in the moment.

00:45:17.699 --> 00:45:18.089
Um.

00:45:18.440 --> 00:45:18.870
I don't know.

00:45:18.920 --> 00:45:19.830
Chris Ramsay: That's a good question.

00:45:19.870 --> 00:45:22.990
Um, but I do, I do find
time for that as well.

00:45:23.000 --> 00:45:27.040
Like I think that's the, therein lies
the balance for me is, uh, you know,

00:45:27.390 --> 00:45:33.029
post Monroe, uh, you know, I had this
whole experience in the last year,

00:45:33.029 --> 00:45:38.520
which really, uh, shifted a whole thing,
you know, within my, with my core.

00:45:38.860 --> 00:45:41.150
And uh, I started meditating regularly.

00:45:41.580 --> 00:45:44.190
Um, and that's really
changed everything for me.

00:45:44.710 --> 00:45:48.130
It's been a pressure valve
that I get to release.

00:45:48.470 --> 00:45:57.990
Every day and it forces me to be
present, enjoy the present, um, and be

00:45:57.990 --> 00:46:01.650
grateful and thankful for, for what's
happening and enjoy the little things.

00:46:02.230 --> 00:46:09.509
Um, they are two forces of opposite
spectrums, sort of this, uh, this

00:46:09.529 --> 00:46:13.330
need and want for other external
information, everything else.

00:46:13.520 --> 00:46:16.840
And then there's like being happy
with very little being, you know,

00:46:16.840 --> 00:46:22.305
and, and, and so I do, uh, Always
try to find that balance between the

00:46:22.305 --> 00:46:27.115
two and remind myself when I'm over
here, remind myself that this exists.

00:46:27.115 --> 00:46:31.075
And I think meditation allows me
to do that on a regular basis.

00:46:31.935 --> 00:46:33.725
And, uh, it's, it's been nice.

00:46:33.725 --> 00:46:35.825
It's, it's really brought me perspective.

00:46:35.865 --> 00:46:41.475
I think that I needed, which is
like, if all this goes to hell.

00:46:42.035 --> 00:46:45.755
I'll be all right, you know,
everybody's, everybody's going to be

00:46:45.755 --> 00:46:48.225
fine and everything's going to be okay.

00:46:48.725 --> 00:46:53.614
And it's just, you know, that's not
the type of thing that you, um, that

00:46:53.614 --> 00:46:58.044
you really believe when you're caught
up with, you know, all this content

00:46:58.044 --> 00:47:02.625
creation or this business aspect of
things or the material 3d world stuff,

00:47:03.395 --> 00:47:04.795
you know, it's the total opposite.

00:47:04.795 --> 00:47:06.495
You're like, no, if this
goes away, who am I?

00:47:07.415 --> 00:47:11.665
And uh, I'm very happy to say that,
yeah, I'll be just fine if it goes away.

00:47:11.665 --> 00:47:11.719
Okay.

00:47:12.570 --> 00:47:13.230
Travis Bader: I love that.

00:47:13.770 --> 00:47:17.420
Well, I want to delve more into the
meditation and ask about that, but I

00:47:17.440 --> 00:47:24.069
think it would be more chronological if
I, uh, introduce the listeners to area

00:47:24.070 --> 00:47:30.159
52, which, um, from my perspective,
seems like a take on area 51, but also

00:47:30.160 --> 00:47:34.260
combining the 52 from the book that
we were looking about there before.

00:47:34.450 --> 00:47:34.910
You got it.

00:47:35.320 --> 00:47:35.930
There you go.

00:47:36.290 --> 00:47:40.305
Um, and it is, um, uh, It's amazing.

00:47:40.405 --> 00:47:41.695
It's really cool what you're doing.

00:47:41.695 --> 00:47:43.825
I don't think there's too many
people out there that haven't

00:47:43.835 --> 00:47:45.075
asked themselves a question.

00:47:45.465 --> 00:47:46.475
Is there more to this?

00:47:46.505 --> 00:47:48.465
Uh, are we alone out there?

00:47:48.535 --> 00:47:51.024
Um, uh, what, what's this all about?

00:47:51.035 --> 00:47:57.604
And essentially what you're doing is you
are trying to work on a puzzle box that

00:47:57.604 --> 00:48:04.884
you'll probably never be able to unlock or
open, but the endeavor seems intriguing.

00:48:05.094 --> 00:48:07.790
Do you want to, do you want to,
uh, do you Tell the audience

00:48:07.790 --> 00:48:09.160
about what Area 52 is about.

00:48:09.190 --> 00:48:09.660
Chris Ramsay: Yeah.

00:48:09.750 --> 00:48:13.490
Um, you know, it's, it's,
it's, it's multiple things.

00:48:13.490 --> 00:48:17.620
Two things, uh, in particular,
one is my creative outlet.

00:48:17.930 --> 00:48:23.179
Um, you know, my sustaining that
cinematic creative storytelling

00:48:23.179 --> 00:48:24.759
side of me that I do enjoy.

00:48:24.770 --> 00:48:27.680
And if you've tuned into some of
the puzzle videos I've had, those

00:48:27.710 --> 00:48:28.950
intros at the beginning, which.

00:48:29.205 --> 00:48:33.415
Much to my deficit, I would
create the, you know, I'd see

00:48:33.415 --> 00:48:34.485
a drop off on these things.

00:48:34.485 --> 00:48:36.425
People, they want to get
right into the meat of it.

00:48:36.435 --> 00:48:36.675
Right.

00:48:36.675 --> 00:48:37.324
But not really.

00:48:37.324 --> 00:48:38.145
I'm like, yeah.

00:48:38.495 --> 00:48:41.575
And, and, you know, a lot of
creatives out there love those intros.

00:48:41.895 --> 00:48:42.525
Totally.

00:48:42.605 --> 00:48:45.135
90 percent of the audience
can do without them.

00:48:45.205 --> 00:48:47.544
And you can see that in the,
in the, you know, where people

00:48:47.544 --> 00:48:49.485
skip ahead to, but I don't care.

00:48:49.685 --> 00:48:50.845
I always did that for me.

00:48:50.845 --> 00:48:53.265
That was the only reason I kept
doing those puzzle videos is

00:48:53.275 --> 00:48:55.285
so that I can sustain that.

00:48:56.035 --> 00:48:58.865
Uh, I do enjoy a puzzle, but you know,
being forced to solve something on

00:48:58.865 --> 00:49:03.285
camera isn't, isn't the most relaxing,
um, you know, you, you solve a puzzle,

00:49:03.285 --> 00:49:04.684
you take days to do it, weeks to do it.

00:49:04.745 --> 00:49:06.365
That's the way to properly solve a puzzle.

00:49:06.895 --> 00:49:10.014
So, you know, that was
my way of doing that.

00:49:10.055 --> 00:49:10.565
And.

00:49:11.330 --> 00:49:15.150
So with Area 52, I get to
have this storytelling side.

00:49:15.740 --> 00:49:18.360
Uh, I get to flourish, uh, therein.

00:49:18.690 --> 00:49:19.130
Travis Bader: Mm hmm.

00:49:19.390 --> 00:49:25.909
Chris Ramsay: And secondly, I get to
answer questions that I have about why

00:49:25.959 --> 00:49:29.560
I'm here, what I'm doing here, what
life is, or what the universe is, or

00:49:30.099 --> 00:49:32.609
who's out there, or all these things.

00:49:33.329 --> 00:49:35.930
Um, I get to document my journey.

00:49:36.255 --> 00:49:44.355
through my, my unfiltered sort of journey
and get some type of answer for myself.

00:49:44.355 --> 00:49:45.595
Again, it's very selfish.

00:49:45.635 --> 00:49:50.044
Um, it's, uh, I want to document, I
want to show people what that looks

00:49:50.045 --> 00:49:54.665
like, somebody getting answers, uh,
and figuring this whole thing out

00:49:54.915 --> 00:49:57.374
and what that looks like from, uh,
from another perspective, that's it.

00:49:58.374 --> 00:49:59.124
I'm not there to.

00:49:59.560 --> 00:50:01.070
definitively find an answer.

00:50:01.990 --> 00:50:05.260
I'm not there to tell you what reality is.

00:50:06.170 --> 00:50:08.040
Um, you can do that on your own.

00:50:08.610 --> 00:50:09.660
Um, but that's what I did.

00:50:10.240 --> 00:50:13.509
You know, I, I wasn't in
favor of people telling me.

00:50:13.990 --> 00:50:14.840
What to believe in.

00:50:15.560 --> 00:50:16.600
I just don't like that.

00:50:16.600 --> 00:50:20.620
I don't like people saying, Oh,
this is this because of this.

00:50:20.650 --> 00:50:24.510
And then, and just resign to that idea.

00:50:24.510 --> 00:50:27.250
I'd rather do it myself and figure it out.

00:50:27.250 --> 00:50:28.960
If I come to the same
conclusion, so be it.

00:50:28.960 --> 00:50:32.360
But my conclusion shouldn't
affect how you believe something.

00:50:32.370 --> 00:50:33.424
It's, this is for me.

00:50:34.085 --> 00:50:35.015
So it was really important.

00:50:35.015 --> 00:50:39.855
And so the first, um, sort of
investigation that I had on that

00:50:39.855 --> 00:50:43.085
channel, uh, wasn't actually
meant to be on that channel.

00:50:43.085 --> 00:50:44.145
It was meant to be on my main channel.

00:50:45.465 --> 00:50:49.824
It was, um, a dive into remote viewing
a friend of mine, Nelson Dulles, he's

00:50:49.824 --> 00:50:52.185
a memory champion, incredible person.

00:50:52.214 --> 00:50:58.115
And he had told me, um, you know,
he taught me how to do mind palaces

00:50:58.115 --> 00:51:01.215
and memorize a deck of cards,
which, you know, is super cool.

00:51:02.285 --> 00:51:04.325
And then he told, he's into like this.

00:51:04.705 --> 00:51:07.355
Consciousness sort of cognitive work.

00:51:07.355 --> 00:51:10.605
And he goes, oh yeah, do you
know what remote viewing is?

00:51:10.625 --> 00:51:13.924
And I've heard this and I think I've
heard it on like unsolved mysteries

00:51:13.925 --> 00:51:14.894
or something when I was a kid.

00:51:14.895 --> 00:51:17.444
And I was like, well, what's up with that?

00:51:17.445 --> 00:51:22.345
And he goes, I had, so there's these
people who were hired by a hedge fund to

00:51:22.355 --> 00:51:26.685
headhunt potential future remote viewers
to play the stock market for them.

00:51:27.735 --> 00:51:28.475
Uh, so.

00:51:28.880 --> 00:51:31.220
You know, make of that what you
will, but there are people with a

00:51:31.220 --> 00:51:34.150
lot of money investing in psychics.

00:51:34.620 --> 00:51:36.600
All right, you got my attention, right?

00:51:36.600 --> 00:51:37.160
I'll bite.

00:51:37.300 --> 00:51:40.839
So they teach him how to do
this remote viewing, which is

00:51:40.839 --> 00:51:43.040
perceiving something non locally.

00:51:43.089 --> 00:51:45.499
That's the, you know, nutshell of it.

00:51:46.069 --> 00:51:50.129
And, um, they teach him to do
this over a month, an hour a day,

00:51:50.409 --> 00:51:52.704
ends up playing the stock market,
made these people money, and, um.

00:51:53.905 --> 00:51:57.345
So I'm naturally intrigued
because this is right up my alley

00:51:57.345 --> 00:51:59.345
of, you know, secret spy stuff.

00:51:59.345 --> 00:52:01.505
So I'm like, what's, how does this work?

00:52:01.505 --> 00:52:02.114
Can you teach me?

00:52:02.114 --> 00:52:03.165
And he goes, yeah, I'll teach you.

00:52:03.895 --> 00:52:08.525
And so he taught me, I spent a
year documenting my journey through

00:52:08.535 --> 00:52:10.114
learning this, practicing it.

00:52:10.854 --> 00:52:17.195
And also, Then I started to, uh,
meet with really interesting people.

00:52:17.935 --> 00:52:23.035
I met with multiple people who worked
for Project Stargate, which was a

00:52:23.045 --> 00:52:28.674
super top secret, um, program that
the U S government was running for 20

00:52:28.694 --> 00:52:34.575
years, which hired, um, psychic spies
to essentially spy on the Soviets

00:52:34.635 --> 00:52:39.825
during the cold war, um, a lot of other
things that went into this, but then

00:52:39.825 --> 00:52:44.185
I, I got to also You know, interview
the chief research physicist, Dr.

00:52:44.205 --> 00:52:49.485
May, who was in charge of this program,
got to see the data, got to like, really,

00:52:49.635 --> 00:52:55.065
you know, see the nuts and bolts of this,
rather than just, you know, take it on

00:52:55.085 --> 00:52:58.094
somebody's word that this stuff was real.

00:52:58.094 --> 00:53:01.800
I got to see the numbers, you know,
I got to see that, you know, 17 out

00:53:01.800 --> 00:53:07.240
of the 19 agencies came back for
more missions because, you know,

00:53:07.250 --> 00:53:10.339
for whatever reason, they just kept
coming back to these psychics because

00:53:10.360 --> 00:53:12.230
they saw value, I guess they did.

00:53:12.230 --> 00:53:16.200
They saw enough value to come back,
you know, in over 20 years, 505

00:53:16.200 --> 00:53:19.559
individual missions among these 17
out of the 19 agencies came back.

00:53:19.560 --> 00:53:19.780
Right.

00:53:20.080 --> 00:53:23.720
So there's, and there's 20 million being
poured into this as this is something.

00:53:24.150 --> 00:53:25.110
This is something there.

00:53:25.110 --> 00:53:28.960
You can say for certain that there
is something there and, you know,

00:53:29.570 --> 00:53:32.450
not to mention they had to go in
front of an oversight committee every

00:53:32.450 --> 00:53:36.879
single year Congress to prove that
they were worthy of this budget.

00:53:37.830 --> 00:53:41.939
And so they had to prove to Congress
through private remote viewing sessions.

00:53:43.069 --> 00:53:45.800
And every year Congress is like,
yeah, there's something here.

00:53:45.940 --> 00:53:46.420
Keep going.

00:53:47.090 --> 00:53:47.440
You know?

00:53:47.440 --> 00:53:50.150
So there's all these little
things that, that really aligned.

00:53:50.150 --> 00:53:54.024
Plus the experiences that I had, that
Nelson had, where we talked about

00:53:54.465 --> 00:53:58.915
Did this remote viewing, got some
pretty accurate results throughout.

00:53:59.935 --> 00:54:05.815
And, um, I was left with all this footage
and I was like, I don't think this, I

00:54:05.815 --> 00:54:07.384
think this will tank on my main channel.

00:54:07.384 --> 00:54:09.184
I don't think people
will really like this.

00:54:09.655 --> 00:54:10.414
They want magic.

00:54:10.414 --> 00:54:11.355
They want puzzles.

00:54:11.565 --> 00:54:13.174
I'm not the amazing Randy.

00:54:13.175 --> 00:54:18.255
I'm not here to, you know, I'm here, I'm
here to debunk, but if I, but I'm, but I'm

00:54:18.255 --> 00:54:23.594
also here with an open mind, you know, I'm
not going to be, uh, an eternal skeptic.

00:54:23.594 --> 00:54:25.525
I'm going to open my
mind to, to this stuff.

00:54:25.525 --> 00:54:26.535
And I think my audience.

00:54:27.010 --> 00:54:28.070
Over the magic side.

00:54:28.130 --> 00:54:29.040
I don't know if they're ready for that.

00:54:29.040 --> 00:54:30.630
I don't know if they want to hear that.

00:54:30.670 --> 00:54:30.860
Right.

00:54:30.860 --> 00:54:35.080
They want, they like the James,
the James Randy type stuff.

00:54:35.090 --> 00:54:36.300
And I'm like, I'm on the fence.

00:54:36.330 --> 00:54:39.650
I kind of want to know more before
I, you know, put it into that.

00:54:40.260 --> 00:54:42.160
And that's the reason
again, that I did it myself.

00:54:43.510 --> 00:54:45.010
Well, what were some, sorry.

00:54:45.010 --> 00:54:45.190
Go ahead.

00:54:45.329 --> 00:54:45.859
Travis Bader: No, go ahead.

00:54:46.260 --> 00:54:47.990
I was going to say, what were
your biggest takeaways from

00:54:47.990 --> 00:54:49.130
the, uh, the remote viewing?

00:54:49.410 --> 00:54:50.030
Chris Ramsay: Yeah, man.

00:54:50.030 --> 00:54:52.940
I mean, I got some results
that were pretty impressive.

00:54:53.390 --> 00:54:56.130
Uh, I got to speak with Joe
McMoneagle, who's, you know, a

00:54:56.130 --> 00:54:57.820
trained psychic, one of the best.

00:54:58.400 --> 00:55:03.929
Um, I got to speak to a physicist who
researches this and who gave me some

00:55:03.940 --> 00:55:05.980
really, really interesting answers.

00:55:05.980 --> 00:55:12.805
You know, the takeaway was they, They
had 600 people that they tested, among

00:55:12.805 --> 00:55:18.185
those were mental level geniuses,
were Stanford alumni, uh, intelligence

00:55:18.295 --> 00:55:25.894
army people, and out of those 600, 1%,
which is a lot, showed a substantial

00:55:25.895 --> 00:55:30.675
amount of talent, and, you know, this
is the scientific method, this isn't

00:55:30.685 --> 00:55:35.590
like just a parlor trick, this is
like, scientific test conditions, and

00:55:35.590 --> 00:55:38.170
they have a rating system to figure
out accuracy and the whole thing.

00:55:38.470 --> 00:55:42.460
And six people out of these 600
showed a significant talent.

00:55:42.500 --> 00:55:46.570
Turns out those six people also
had synesthesia and that was

00:55:46.620 --> 00:55:48.070
something they didn't foresee.

00:55:48.479 --> 00:55:50.069
And so they're like,
Oh, there's a link here.

00:55:50.810 --> 00:55:54.019
All sorts of things like that started
coming to light with these tests.

00:55:54.019 --> 00:56:00.365
And they, you know, they tested out,
uh, they know that somehow Entropy,

00:56:01.135 --> 00:56:05.925
um, increases, uh, the targets at,
or the, the session's accuracy.

00:56:06.255 --> 00:56:09.595
So if they poured liquid nitrogen at
a target site, they would get higher

00:56:09.774 --> 00:56:15.215
accuracy on the tests versus if they
didn't, uh, the abilities, uh, the brain's

00:56:15.224 --> 00:56:20.605
ability to, you know, perceive change on
a quantum field, I guess, or something.

00:56:20.895 --> 00:56:24.515
And so all of these really interesting
studies that are happening in the PSI.

00:56:24.535 --> 00:56:28.035
done by really credible people.

00:56:28.265 --> 00:56:31.645
You know, even the scientific oversight
committee that was put together of 12 of

00:56:31.645 --> 00:56:36.684
the who's who in science, uh, to oversee
project Stargate, and that included Dr.

00:56:36.684 --> 00:56:41.335
Schwartz, who won a Nobel prize for
discovering, um, you know, particle

00:56:41.345 --> 00:56:45.564
beams, uh, he was on the scientific
oversight committee, um, Dr.

00:56:45.584 --> 00:56:47.575
Daryl BEM, there was Dr.

00:56:47.815 --> 00:56:50.475
Uh, Zimbardo who did, uh, the
Stanford president experiments.

00:56:50.475 --> 00:56:51.475
It was like the who's who.

00:56:51.890 --> 00:56:52.330
Wow.

00:56:52.370 --> 00:56:55.320
And they had to be skeptical and they
came up with the scientific method.

00:56:55.340 --> 00:56:58.070
And through that, and all
their studies are published,

00:56:58.080 --> 00:56:58.880
all the books are out there.

00:56:58.880 --> 00:57:01.360
So people thinking, well, how
can we, you got to go read it.

00:57:01.370 --> 00:57:02.030
It's out there.

00:57:02.430 --> 00:57:02.770
Travis Bader: Hmm.

00:57:02.820 --> 00:57:05.440
Chris Ramsay: And I, I looked through
it and it's, it's, yeah, it's sound.

00:57:05.440 --> 00:57:10.510
And although it isn't, I mean,
there's been some stuff recently,

00:57:10.510 --> 00:57:12.800
the telepathy tapes and all this
has been really interesting.

00:57:12.800 --> 00:57:17.540
I've been looking into, but it's
been significant enough to show you

00:57:17.540 --> 00:57:18.980
that there is something present.

00:57:20.180 --> 00:57:23.860
It's never, in their case,
been 100 percent accurate.

00:57:24.270 --> 00:57:25.890
And I think that's where a
lot of people get hung up.

00:57:26.700 --> 00:57:31.329
But when you're talking about science
and P value and statistics, you

00:57:31.330 --> 00:57:32.379
don't have to be a hundred percent.

00:57:32.460 --> 00:57:37.799
You just have to be significantly
higher than, uh, random randomness.

00:57:37.799 --> 00:57:38.009
Right.

00:57:38.389 --> 00:57:42.599
And they found that time and time
again, that there is a significant

00:57:42.599 --> 00:57:44.359
value here to be looked at.

00:57:44.379 --> 00:57:46.149
And that's what kept the project going.

00:57:46.190 --> 00:57:47.320
That's what keeps the research going.

00:57:47.870 --> 00:57:48.840
And that was enough for me.

00:57:48.840 --> 00:57:49.700
That was my biggest takeaway.

00:57:49.700 --> 00:57:50.789
I was like, okay, there's something.

00:57:50.845 --> 00:57:51.744
Travis Bader: Um,

00:57:52.025 --> 00:57:54.275
Chris Ramsay: you know, and,
um, and then when I had all

00:57:54.275 --> 00:57:56.355
that, I was like, hell with it.

00:57:56.395 --> 00:57:57.275
Let's start a new channel.

00:57:57.795 --> 00:57:58.145
Yeah.

00:57:58.195 --> 00:57:58.945
Let's go down this road.

00:57:58.945 --> 00:58:00.125
I was just so fascinated by it.

00:58:00.535 --> 00:58:03.134
And, um, I've always been
passionate about stuff like that.

00:58:03.135 --> 00:58:06.915
So it sent me down a whole
rabbit hole that changed my life.

00:58:06.955 --> 00:58:06.975
Yeah.

00:58:07.750 --> 00:58:07.950
So

00:58:08.550 --> 00:58:10.130
Travis Bader: Sinith, I'll
say, I'll say it wrong.

00:58:10.130 --> 00:58:16.520
Sinith, see, for me, that's where you
like, you can smell colors and that's

00:58:16.520 --> 00:58:18.040
where you're right where you're at.

00:58:18.040 --> 00:58:21.970
Chris Ramsay: You can, uh, see sounds and
hear colors or smell them and like a whole

00:58:22.100 --> 00:58:23.760
gamut, a whole plethora of like different.

00:58:25.940 --> 00:58:29.460
Travis Bader: So I'm curious if they
found that as a common denominator

00:58:29.460 --> 00:58:33.810
among the people, uh, would artificially
inducing and I'll say it wrong again,

00:58:33.870 --> 00:58:37.070
but we'll artificially inducing that
through, let's say psychedelics or

00:58:37.070 --> 00:58:40.590
something else, uh, be something
that they work on to, to try and.

00:58:40.660 --> 00:58:44.310
Chris Ramsay: So they tested a
drugs with, um, with remote viewing

00:58:44.310 --> 00:58:45.780
and had, it had an adverse effect.

00:58:46.425 --> 00:58:46.895
Hmm.

00:58:48.065 --> 00:58:48.495
Interesting.

00:58:48.495 --> 00:58:50.465
So, and they've tested
with all, all drugs.

00:58:50.465 --> 00:58:53.505
They've tested with, you know,
everything they've, they've

00:58:53.505 --> 00:58:54.255
literally tested everything.

00:58:54.265 --> 00:58:55.525
This was the seventies.

00:58:56.085 --> 00:58:56.365
Right.

00:58:56.444 --> 00:58:56.664
Right.

00:58:56.665 --> 00:58:57.115
Of course.

00:58:57.375 --> 00:58:57.645
Yeah.

00:58:57.745 --> 00:59:00.515
So, you know, everything you
can think of and, uh, no, it

00:59:00.515 --> 00:59:02.705
would hinder, uh, the results.

00:59:03.405 --> 00:59:04.055
Interesting.

00:59:04.115 --> 00:59:04.425
Yeah.

00:59:04.485 --> 00:59:11.215
There's something about fogging up the
interface with which you connect to this

00:59:12.135 --> 00:59:14.745
conscious field that exists around us.

00:59:15.355 --> 00:59:17.285
Uh, and it isn't a frequency either.

00:59:17.395 --> 00:59:19.545
You know, they've tested
this in, uh, submarines.

00:59:20.164 --> 00:59:20.915
Travis Bader: Not a frequency.

00:59:20.945 --> 00:59:23.874
Chris Ramsay: No, they tested in
submarines and, uh, in some cases were

00:59:23.875 --> 00:59:27.245
more accurate and the submarines, you
can't get any frequency down there.

00:59:27.855 --> 00:59:28.965
There's nothing that goes down there.

00:59:28.965 --> 00:59:30.925
So yeah, they, they ruled that out too.

00:59:31.055 --> 00:59:34.305
It's it, it behaves more like
a field, kind of like gravity.

00:59:34.305 --> 00:59:34.313
Yeah.

00:59:34.313 --> 00:59:34.322
Interesting.

00:59:34.820 --> 00:59:35.030
Travis Bader: Yeah.

00:59:35.620 --> 00:59:39.160
So if you're to walk and you've had an
out of body experience as well, have you?

00:59:39.210 --> 00:59:40.180
I had multiple, yeah.

00:59:40.590 --> 00:59:44.960
So can you walk me through what a
remote viewing, uh, episode would

00:59:44.960 --> 00:59:48.299
look like for you and what an out
of body experience would look like?

00:59:48.300 --> 00:59:48.510
Yeah,

00:59:48.510 --> 00:59:49.490
Chris Ramsay: drastically different.

00:59:49.599 --> 00:59:50.209
Um, okay.

00:59:51.065 --> 00:59:56.345
Uh, so remote viewing is just the ability
to somehow perceive something non locally.

00:59:56.385 --> 00:59:57.915
That is the nutshell, right?

00:59:58.345 --> 01:00:01.135
And so what that means is like,
I'm in a calm, meditative state.

01:00:01.805 --> 01:00:06.855
I'm trying to clear my mind, trying
not to give into my imagination,

01:00:06.855 --> 01:00:09.744
which is the tough part because
our minds are constantly racing.

01:00:10.010 --> 01:00:13.210
through images and you're
trying to ignore that.

01:00:13.700 --> 01:00:15.190
You're trying not to lead it anywhere.

01:00:15.370 --> 01:00:19.839
And then whatever comes to you, you
use your pencil and you, you know,

01:00:19.839 --> 01:00:23.090
you write down the adjectives or
the descriptors and you draw things.

01:00:23.110 --> 01:00:26.169
There's a whole process that they
came up with that you do this.

01:00:26.580 --> 01:00:27.440
And.

01:00:28.020 --> 01:00:32.680
And then you see if that matches the
target, which is in an envelope somewhere.

01:00:32.680 --> 01:00:33.650
So you're blind to that.

01:00:34.160 --> 01:00:34.540
Travis Bader: Hmm.

01:00:34.850 --> 01:00:37.750
Chris Ramsay: Um, and you see,
you know, you try to see if that

01:00:37.750 --> 01:00:41.670
matches, but while you're doing
remote viewing for me personally,

01:00:41.720 --> 01:00:43.000
I always felt a little bit silly.

01:00:43.250 --> 01:00:44.269
I always felt silly.

01:00:44.440 --> 01:00:45.760
Uh, you're like, what am I doing?

01:00:46.560 --> 01:00:47.400
I'm not a psychic.

01:00:47.400 --> 01:00:48.440
Like this stuff doesn't exist.

01:00:48.440 --> 01:00:50.550
You know, there's, there's that
skepticism naturally that you're

01:00:50.550 --> 01:00:52.020
like, this is silly, this is stupid.

01:00:53.300 --> 01:00:55.189
And, you know, sometimes
you're really confident.

01:00:55.200 --> 01:00:56.200
You're like, oh yeah, okay.

01:00:56.200 --> 01:00:56.940
I see this and this.

01:00:57.370 --> 01:00:59.049
And then as soon as you're
about to open the envelope,

01:00:59.049 --> 01:01:00.240
you're like, God, this is dumb.

01:01:00.649 --> 01:01:03.049
I'm like, of course it's
not going to be the same.

01:01:03.049 --> 01:01:03.239
What am I?

01:01:03.515 --> 01:01:06.935
Doing here, I just, you know, I got
like a life form that's buzzing,

01:01:06.935 --> 01:01:08.155
maybe a bumblebee or something.

01:01:08.155 --> 01:01:09.205
And like, there could be anything in here.

01:01:09.205 --> 01:01:10.945
It could be a freaking soccer ball.

01:01:10.955 --> 01:01:13.665
Like, you know, like, I don't know,
this is, I'm going to look like such

01:01:13.665 --> 01:01:15.175
an idiot when this envelope opens.

01:01:15.214 --> 01:01:18.334
And that's the thought that goes into
your head and then you open the envelope

01:01:18.334 --> 01:01:19.324
and you're like, Oh wait, hold on.

01:01:19.325 --> 01:01:20.615
That's not too far off, you know?

01:01:20.875 --> 01:01:22.505
And so it's really interesting.

01:01:23.095 --> 01:01:23.525
Yeah.

01:01:23.625 --> 01:01:29.425
Um, now out of body, astral projection,
whatever you want to call it,

01:01:31.685 --> 01:01:38.610
is it different experience that
potentially, you know, relies on the same,

01:01:39.850 --> 01:01:43.320
um, mechanism, which is consciousness.

01:01:43.330 --> 01:01:50.810
But, uh, I had two experiences last
year, last October, coming back

01:01:50.810 --> 01:01:53.780
from seeing one of these remote
viewers who told me about the Monroe,

01:01:56.250 --> 01:02:01.790
so the Monroe Institute in Virginia,
founded by Robert Monroe, 1958.

01:02:01.790 --> 01:02:07.750
This guy, he was a sound engineer
and he had spontaneous out of body.

01:02:08.620 --> 01:02:13.830
Um, spontaneous out of body that, that
sort of happened to him in his own

01:02:13.830 --> 01:02:18.650
bedroom where he was bouncing against the
ceiling, turned around, saw his own body,

01:02:18.660 --> 01:02:20.350
terrified him, slammed back into his body.

01:02:20.350 --> 01:02:21.230
He's like, what the heck's that?

01:02:21.239 --> 01:02:24.340
And he felt this buzzing, this
vibration, heard the sound.

01:02:24.820 --> 01:02:28.580
And again, he's a sound engineer, he's
very, very much, um, left brained.

01:02:29.780 --> 01:02:33.230
Um, so he went to go see the doctor, he
thought something was wrong with him.

01:02:33.445 --> 01:02:38.465
You know, because it kept happening
and eventually he started studying, he

01:02:38.465 --> 01:02:40.935
dropped everything and started studying
this stuff because he heard that other

01:02:40.935 --> 01:02:44.274
people were having it too and really
wasn't talked about really quite taboo.

01:02:45.395 --> 01:02:51.614
And he pursued this research, uh, so
much so that he even started to try

01:02:51.624 --> 01:02:59.245
and mimic and sort of entrain the brain
to follow certain, um, brain waves.

01:02:59.255 --> 01:02:59.615
So, like.

01:03:00.540 --> 01:03:04.500
You can stimulate the brain through
entrainment, through frequency,

01:03:05.460 --> 01:03:08.790
that your brain will match, right?

01:03:09.000 --> 01:03:10.480
That's the sort of idea.

01:03:11.959 --> 01:03:16.079
To attain those low frequencies,
so 30 hertz and under,

01:03:16.220 --> 01:03:17.529
because you can't hear those.

01:03:17.940 --> 01:03:20.580
So you can never play a frequency
and your brain's going to match it.

01:03:20.580 --> 01:03:22.740
You just can't do that
because it's too low.

01:03:23.510 --> 01:03:26.130
So what he found out through
his studies, and this is really

01:03:26.130 --> 01:03:29.850
interesting, is that pilots were
like falling asleep a lot of times.

01:03:30.465 --> 01:03:34.975
And they found out it's because the
engines were at different, we're creating

01:03:34.975 --> 01:03:36.445
sound that was at different frequency.

01:03:36.765 --> 01:03:38.704
Uh, the difference, yeah, exactly.

01:03:38.705 --> 01:03:39.705
Binaural.

01:03:39.725 --> 01:03:40.955
He was the founder of this.

01:03:41.255 --> 01:03:46.025
Uh, and so what would happen is that
like one engine would be at 110 Hertz.

01:03:46.205 --> 01:03:49.715
The other engine would be at a hundred
Hertz, the difference being 10 Hertz.

01:03:50.195 --> 01:03:53.285
So what happens in your brain with
this extra 10 Hertz, because you're

01:03:53.285 --> 01:03:57.195
hearing both of these sounds, your
brain will synthesize that 10 Hertz.

01:03:58.154 --> 01:03:59.385
And so now it's hearing it.

01:04:00.345 --> 01:04:03.335
Uh, which you couldn't hear
normally if I just played 10 Hertz.

01:04:03.515 --> 01:04:06.285
So he found this out and
started doing this on people.

01:04:06.845 --> 01:04:09.135
Turns out these people started
having out of body experiences.

01:04:09.945 --> 01:04:15.395
He was able to match those lower states
of, um, of awareness or those lower

01:04:15.395 --> 01:04:19.855
states of frequency, those, those, uh,
theta states, those states where you're

01:04:19.855 --> 01:04:26.310
in a deep, uh, deep, uh, Sleep or in,
um, deep meditation or in the zone, so to

01:04:26.310 --> 01:04:30.999
speak, and like the flow state, uh, all
these sort of deep states, he was able

01:04:30.999 --> 01:04:34.790
to artificially induce those so much.

01:04:34.799 --> 01:04:38.080
So they had a, they had a monk who was
like 90 and he was kind of upset when he

01:04:38.080 --> 01:04:41.030
got there because he's like, dude, I've
been doing this for 30 years and you guys.

01:04:41.985 --> 01:04:45.995
It took five minutes to get to the same
state of awareness that I was in, you

01:04:45.995 --> 01:04:49.825
know, and, and so, yeah, they came up
with this really cool thing, uh, which

01:04:49.825 --> 01:04:53.045
is binaural beats, or they called it
Hemisync, which is the proprietary

01:04:53.045 --> 01:04:54.635
sound technology that they came up with.

01:04:55.535 --> 01:05:00.764
And uh, this is a long, that's a long
answer to the question, uh, in the, in

01:05:00.764 --> 01:05:03.695
the seventies during Stargate when the U.

01:05:03.695 --> 01:05:03.895
S.

01:05:03.895 --> 01:05:06.165
was really, really looking into the side.

01:05:07.330 --> 01:05:09.320
There's, they still are, by the
way, they're still looking into

01:05:09.320 --> 01:05:12.150
sciability, uh, but we found out
that they were looking into the

01:05:12.150 --> 01:05:13.600
sciability because it went public.

01:05:14.090 --> 01:05:17.849
Um, but they were looking into sciability
and they were interested in this.

01:05:17.850 --> 01:05:22.770
So they sent some remote viewers,
some other members of the CIA to the

01:05:22.770 --> 01:05:27.390
Monroe Institute, contracted Bob Monroe
to, uh, guide them through a process

01:05:27.390 --> 01:05:33.200
called the gateway process, which is
this sort of increasing process, which

01:05:33.210 --> 01:05:37.810
eventually would induce astral projection.

01:05:38.825 --> 01:05:41.255
Would, would make your soul
body leave your physical.

01:05:42.155 --> 01:05:46.565
You could then leave the room, go into
another room, look at something, come back

01:05:46.635 --> 01:05:48.844
into your body and tell us what that was.

01:05:48.855 --> 01:05:50.385
That was the essential goal of it.

01:05:51.085 --> 01:05:52.265
And those are the tests that they did.

01:05:52.265 --> 01:05:54.665
And some of the tests were very
successful, especially with Joe McMonigle.

01:05:54.685 --> 01:05:58.165
Um, you know, drawing the exact
thing that was in the envelope.

01:05:59.125 --> 01:06:03.275
Um, so I had heard about this.

01:06:03.285 --> 01:06:05.925
So, uh, Joe McMonigle
talked to me about this.

01:06:05.925 --> 01:06:07.374
I kind of brushed it off,
like, astral projecting.

01:06:07.374 --> 01:06:09.354
I'm like, okay, it's probably a
lucid dream or something, right?

01:06:09.695 --> 01:06:10.894
I've lucid dreamed before.

01:06:10.895 --> 01:06:12.035
Have you lucid dreamed, by the way?

01:06:12.185 --> 01:06:12.534
Oh, yeah.

01:06:12.704 --> 01:06:13.334
Yeah, right.

01:06:13.335 --> 01:06:17.155
So you know that that, it feels real, but
there's, you know, you know it's a dream.

01:06:17.450 --> 01:06:18.420
You're aware it's a dream.

01:06:18.640 --> 01:06:18.800
Yeah.

01:06:18.800 --> 01:06:19.630
And you can conduct it.

01:06:19.650 --> 01:06:21.000
You can get in and you
can do whatever you want.

01:06:21.000 --> 01:06:21.190
Yeah.

01:06:21.190 --> 01:06:21.870
Super fun.

01:06:22.090 --> 01:06:22.420
Travis Bader: It is.

01:06:22.420 --> 01:06:22.660
Yeah.

01:06:23.060 --> 01:06:29.880
Chris Ramsay: Um, so one night I'm having
a nightmare and nightmares for me are

01:06:30.100 --> 01:06:34.509
often, um, often turn into lucid dreams
because I realized they're a nightmare.

01:06:35.439 --> 01:06:38.030
And so it's a nightmare and
I'm realizing it's a nightmare.

01:06:38.030 --> 01:06:39.540
So I want to try to open my eyes.

01:06:39.950 --> 01:06:40.190
Right?

01:06:40.190 --> 01:06:44.350
I'm like, forcing my eyes to open,
all of a sudden my eyes open, I'm

01:06:44.350 --> 01:06:50.000
in my room, ugh, finally, I'm in
my bed, but I'm in a weird place.

01:06:50.899 --> 01:06:57.700
My room is my room, it's fuzzy, I can
see, I can see pretty clearly and I

01:06:57.709 --> 01:07:02.220
assume because it was, You know, my
eyes were climatized to the darkness,

01:07:03.180 --> 01:07:05.530
everything was gray, sort of out of focus.

01:07:05.650 --> 01:07:12.660
And I hear this, this buzzing, this
electric, almost electric buzzing.

01:07:13.009 --> 01:07:19.169
And I feel my entire body like it was
like you slapped me with a tuning fork.

01:07:19.670 --> 01:07:20.470
Travis Bader: You're vibrating.

01:07:20.530 --> 01:07:21.240
Yeah.

01:07:21.329 --> 01:07:21.569
Yeah.

01:07:21.589 --> 01:07:21.939
Okay.

01:07:22.229 --> 01:07:22.390
It felt like

01:07:22.390 --> 01:07:24.130
Chris Ramsay: I was physically
vibrating, although I knew I

01:07:24.140 --> 01:07:25.710
wasn't, but it felt that way.

01:07:25.710 --> 01:07:28.860
Almost like when you're, when your
arms asleep or something, but it was my

01:07:28.860 --> 01:07:30.299
whole body and it was kind of euphoric.

01:07:30.299 --> 01:07:30.960
It's like a good feeling.

01:07:31.775 --> 01:07:34.995
And I'm in this state at this point, I
have no idea what out of body stuff is.

01:07:35.015 --> 01:07:36.575
I've, I haven't even looked into it.

01:07:36.595 --> 01:07:40.475
I don't know any, anything about
this stuff, but I felt my, I

01:07:40.475 --> 01:07:44.745
felt that I could levitate weird.

01:07:44.805 --> 01:07:45.775
I was like, so relaxed.

01:07:45.775 --> 01:07:49.184
I was like, like this, this buzzing,
this weird phasing is how I felt.

01:07:49.184 --> 01:07:50.314
I could just like lift up.

01:07:50.715 --> 01:07:53.275
So I just started like willing myself up.

01:07:54.135 --> 01:07:57.115
And then all of a sudden I was
like two feet off the bed and

01:07:57.115 --> 01:07:59.535
I got absolutely terrified.

01:08:00.045 --> 01:08:04.925
Like sheer terror came over me.

01:08:05.345 --> 01:08:09.745
It is the scariest feeling because
it's not like flying in a dream.

01:08:09.745 --> 01:08:10.975
Flying in a dream is very pleasant.

01:08:11.755 --> 01:08:13.855
Flying in real life is terrifying
because you're like, I'm

01:08:13.855 --> 01:08:14.664
not supposed to be flying.

01:08:14.904 --> 01:08:15.695
This is real life.

01:08:15.704 --> 01:08:16.644
What the hell is happening?

01:08:17.434 --> 01:08:20.324
And so I, I, I fall back into my body.

01:08:21.895 --> 01:08:22.915
Travis Bader: Did you fall with a thump?

01:08:22.925 --> 01:08:24.955
Did you feel like you
like, I kind of like,

01:08:24.975 --> 01:08:27.475
Chris Ramsay: I kind of like go
back down gradually, like at half

01:08:27.475 --> 01:08:30.384
speed and like sink into my body.

01:08:30.385 --> 01:08:35.505
Like I feel like, like synced up, like
S Y N C H, like I synced into my body.

01:08:36.635 --> 01:08:37.274
And then.

01:08:37.780 --> 01:08:40.970
Um, I, I get up, I go, I
drink a glass of water.

01:08:40.970 --> 01:08:41.880
I'm like, that was wild.

01:08:41.890 --> 01:08:46.660
And I had, I had taken that, it's been,
it was like 10 days or like a week after I

01:08:46.660 --> 01:08:51.080
stopped smoking weed, uh, recreationally,
so I had this thing called REM rebound,

01:08:51.080 --> 01:08:54.450
which is like a buildup of like REM,
plus I took a melatonin before bed to

01:08:54.450 --> 01:08:55.969
try and get some sleep because of that.

01:08:56.339 --> 01:08:57.900
So it was all this like perfect storm.

01:08:58.870 --> 01:09:01.170
Next night I'm like, all
right, let's try this again.

01:09:01.180 --> 01:09:03.530
This time, if it happens,
I'm going to try to navigate.

01:09:03.955 --> 01:09:08.295
It, you know, so sure enough,
wake up in my room, same thing.

01:09:08.295 --> 01:09:09.815
I'm like, Oh, this is happening again.

01:09:09.975 --> 01:09:10.615
I lift up.

01:09:11.920 --> 01:09:14.410
I have the idea of turning
around and looking at my body or

01:09:14.410 --> 01:09:17.460
looking not, not even, I didn't
know that I was out of body.

01:09:18.310 --> 01:09:19.110
I just thought it was floating.

01:09:20.090 --> 01:09:24.280
So I turn around and I see
myself with my eyes closed.

01:09:24.799 --> 01:09:25.319
Travis Bader: Crazy.

01:09:26.210 --> 01:09:26.650
Chris Ramsay: Yeah.

01:09:26.820 --> 01:09:28.740
When's the last time you looked
at yourself with your eyes closed?

01:09:28.900 --> 01:09:29.480
Exactly.

01:09:29.490 --> 01:09:30.179
It's terrifying.

01:09:30.410 --> 01:09:30.720
Yeah.

01:09:31.699 --> 01:09:32.670
I was like, am I dead?

01:09:32.670 --> 01:09:37.360
Like there's a whole, like, and so again,
this wave of sheer terror comes over me.

01:09:38.065 --> 01:09:40.965
And I go back into my body, but I fall
actually a little bit lower than my body.

01:09:40.985 --> 01:09:41.635
And I'm like, Oh no.

01:09:41.635 --> 01:09:47.035
And I like will myself back up and
then kind of come to, um, to that.

01:09:47.825 --> 01:09:49.994
A couple of weeks go by as time goes by.

01:09:49.995 --> 01:09:52.774
I'm thinking back, it's
probably just a dream, right?

01:09:52.785 --> 01:09:55.934
Cause like right after the, I was
obsessed for like two, three days.

01:09:55.935 --> 01:09:57.595
I was like, Google astral projection.

01:09:57.780 --> 01:10:02.090
All the same symptoms, same sound,
same buzzing, vibration, same, but

01:10:02.090 --> 01:10:06.360
as the weeks go on, you kind of
like your rational brain sets in.

01:10:06.360 --> 01:10:12.219
Um, but then I came across the Monroe
Institute who has these gateway processes.

01:10:12.820 --> 01:10:15.960
And I said for area 52,
I would love to document.

01:10:16.585 --> 01:10:19.675
My journey through the gateway
process, which has never been done.

01:10:19.685 --> 01:10:20.965
They've never allowed that before.

01:10:21.365 --> 01:10:22.765
It's like proprietary and everything.

01:10:23.415 --> 01:10:26.785
Uh, but they agreed, they agreed
to have me out for a week and allow

01:10:26.785 --> 01:10:31.485
me full access to film the entire
thing with, uh, other creators.

01:10:32.154 --> 01:10:35.620
And I ended up doing that, had,
You know, profound experience,

01:10:35.650 --> 01:10:37.110
meditating, learned how to meditate.

01:10:37.110 --> 01:10:37.890
It was great.

01:10:38.570 --> 01:10:43.650
All sorts of really cool, like moments
where I felt vibration, like, like a truck

01:10:43.650 --> 01:10:45.289
was driving, you know, past the building.

01:10:45.289 --> 01:10:47.940
Like it was crazy sensations and visions.

01:10:47.940 --> 01:10:50.560
And we'd meditate six, seven hours a day.

01:10:50.560 --> 01:10:51.359
It was like, it was insane.

01:10:52.740 --> 01:10:54.529
And then nothing happened.

01:10:54.540 --> 01:10:55.959
I was a little disappointed leaving.

01:10:55.959 --> 01:10:58.189
I was like, I really wanted to
induce one of these feelings.

01:10:58.439 --> 01:11:00.089
One of these experiences.

01:11:01.659 --> 01:11:04.720
I got home, meditated an hour every day.

01:11:06.480 --> 01:11:11.780
Uh, for like three months, literally
didn't miss a day, just hardcore meditate.

01:11:11.780 --> 01:11:15.340
I'd get up at like four in the morning
sometimes to like do this, uh, just

01:11:15.340 --> 01:11:16.990
cause I was in that in between state.

01:11:17.810 --> 01:11:23.180
And then yeah, three months later I
ended up having my first experience of,

01:11:23.199 --> 01:11:30.880
um, an induced out of body experience
in while I was awake while I was lucid.

01:11:30.890 --> 01:11:33.680
So I was, I was awake,
closed my eyes to meditate.

01:11:34.520 --> 01:11:36.190
You know, I was super like relaxed.

01:11:36.190 --> 01:11:39.610
I listened to the tapes an hour
later when the tapes are done.

01:11:39.610 --> 01:11:40.860
I took the headphones, put them down.

01:11:40.860 --> 01:11:44.340
I was in like this nice in between state
and I was like, it's going to happen.

01:11:44.689 --> 01:11:48.610
I just closed my eyes and I said to
myself, I deeply desire to leave my body.

01:11:49.179 --> 01:11:54.169
And the third time I said it, I felt the
phasing, the buzzing, a familiar sense.

01:11:54.690 --> 01:11:55.950
I lifted out of my body.

01:11:56.155 --> 01:11:59.385
And I could see in my
room, I could see myself.

01:11:59.385 --> 01:12:02.495
I was there, ended up going
back into my body, waking up.

01:12:02.495 --> 01:12:04.834
And yeah, sure enough, it was
like a minute of time had passed.

01:12:04.834 --> 01:12:07.385
It was, I was lucid the entire
time from closing my eyes

01:12:07.664 --> 01:12:08.945
to leaving, to coming back.

01:12:08.945 --> 01:12:09.925
I was, I was lucid.

01:12:09.925 --> 01:12:10.715
I wasn't dreaming.

01:12:10.715 --> 01:12:10.985
Right.

01:12:11.534 --> 01:12:15.694
And that had really changed something
in me that I was able to recreate that.

01:12:16.795 --> 01:12:20.585
And again, this is like,
not, I'm not saying this to

01:12:20.605 --> 01:12:22.275
convince people that it's real.

01:12:22.515 --> 01:12:25.485
And I, you know, if you want
to debate whether or not this

01:12:25.485 --> 01:12:26.795
is real, that's up to you.

01:12:27.635 --> 01:12:28.035
But.

01:12:28.550 --> 01:12:35.040
Um, for me, it gave me a profound sense
of, I am more than my physical body.

01:12:36.370 --> 01:12:38.690
Um, you know, I was raised Catholic.

01:12:38.690 --> 01:12:45.040
I turned staunchly atheist due to being
a magician, uh, became agnostic after.

01:12:45.775 --> 01:12:51.315
Not caring about all that stuff to now
finding myself being a little bit more,

01:12:51.375 --> 01:12:55.125
uh, leaning a little bit more, uh, to the
spiritual side, but also recognizing that

01:12:55.125 --> 01:12:56.594
there might be a science to this as well.

01:12:57.764 --> 01:13:01.194
And it's sort of, this is, this is
the arc when I see people just being

01:13:01.195 --> 01:13:04.805
like this and being, uh, atheist, you
know, Penn Jillette, all these other

01:13:05.005 --> 01:13:06.515
guys, I see this as a straight line.

01:13:06.565 --> 01:13:10.085
It's not an arc, you know, I'm,
I'm, I'm like straight and now

01:13:10.085 --> 01:13:11.475
I'm like arcing back to it.

01:13:11.475 --> 01:13:14.934
So there's like a whole story
here, which I'm really, I really

01:13:15.355 --> 01:13:16.795
liked the idea of as well.

01:13:18.090 --> 01:13:22.430
But, um, but yeah, it's got me to question
a lot of things personally, and it's

01:13:22.430 --> 01:13:27.879
got me to have a new, brand new outlook
on life, on the afterlife, on the fear

01:13:27.880 --> 01:13:33.339
of death, on, you know, and, and now
consuming a lot of books on the matter.

01:13:34.030 --> 01:13:40.210
Uh, I read every single day, new things,
um, that just sort of, I'm connecting dots

01:13:40.850 --> 01:13:43.840
that I otherwise wouldn't have connected
because of these experiences I've had.

01:13:43.840 --> 01:13:48.040
So I'm really grateful for this journey,
really happy how it's changed me.

01:13:48.990 --> 01:13:52.130
You know, and like I said, I'm not
there to convince anyone of anything.

01:13:52.130 --> 01:13:54.410
I would, the only thing I would
say is do, do it for yourself.

01:13:54.410 --> 01:13:55.020
See what happens.

01:13:55.020 --> 01:13:55.960
If nothing happens, cool.

01:13:55.990 --> 01:13:57.740
Travis Bader: You know,
what does it cause you?

01:13:57.740 --> 01:13:58.699
The question, the most

01:14:00.119 --> 01:14:01.930
Chris Ramsay: has it caused me to
question and it's given me answers.

01:14:01.930 --> 01:14:08.530
It's like, yeah, that's been the most, the
most, um, gratifying thing is, is knowing

01:14:08.869 --> 01:14:12.350
I have a knowing now, you know, and I,
again, I don't want to impose this on

01:14:12.350 --> 01:14:18.150
anyone, but for me, I know, I feel that I
know that I don't, I don't You don't just

01:14:18.150 --> 01:14:22.810
die, you know, and I have that feeling
now, and that has been very comforting.

01:14:23.540 --> 01:14:26.770
And I'm hearing myself say this
and I'm someone who I would

01:14:26.770 --> 01:14:28.459
have argued with five years ago.

01:14:28.740 --> 01:14:29.190
Sure.

01:14:29.299 --> 01:14:32.070
You know, take that for what it's worth.

01:14:32.959 --> 01:14:36.079
Travis Bader: You know, doing research
for this podcast here, looking at

01:14:36.079 --> 01:14:41.940
different, uh, uh, the videos that you've
got out there and then trying to talk

01:14:41.970 --> 01:14:47.570
to people who are staunch believers and,
and ardent, uh, ardently opposed to it.

01:14:48.375 --> 01:14:53.585
In, in navigating the different,
uh, uh, the ideas on it,

01:14:53.755 --> 01:14:55.165
it, it's been interesting.

01:14:55.175 --> 01:14:56.835
The people that come out of the woodwork.

01:14:57.290 --> 01:15:01.980
That you might not think you'd have an
opinion on this or not, especially when

01:15:01.980 --> 01:15:06.610
you talk about, of course, this, the
Minotaur Institute stuff, the astral

01:15:06.610 --> 01:15:10.710
projection, but also when you start
talking about other phenomena, which

01:15:10.710 --> 01:15:15.089
you talk about in your, uh, on your
YouTube channel, which is a UFO stuff.

01:15:15.129 --> 01:15:15.389
Yeah.

01:15:15.400 --> 01:15:17.320
And I've talked to people from NORAD.

01:15:17.320 --> 01:15:21.100
I've talked to people
from, uh, um, high level.

01:15:21.385 --> 01:15:25.235
In government that have, uh, worked
with some of the people that, uh,

01:15:25.275 --> 01:15:27.565
you've been mentioning here and
you've mentioned in other places.

01:15:28.115 --> 01:15:34.935
And it's, it's crazy how, how this is in
so many people's mind in consciousness,

01:15:35.395 --> 01:15:40.705
yet it isn't really talked about a ton
out of fear of maybe speculate or of,

01:15:40.845 --> 01:15:44.355
um, yes, the stigma of, uh, the ridicule.

01:15:45.345 --> 01:15:45.605
Chris Ramsay: Yeah.

01:15:45.635 --> 01:15:45.945
Travis Bader: Um,

01:15:46.275 --> 01:15:48.875
Chris Ramsay: yeah, that is,
uh, that is, yeah, bang on.

01:15:48.965 --> 01:15:55.145
Um, I think that, I think that stigma
is, is, uh, slowly dissipating.

01:15:55.174 --> 01:15:58.974
Um, I think we feel it culturally
with, you know, uh, people having open

01:15:58.975 --> 01:16:00.355
conversations like we're having now.

01:16:00.835 --> 01:16:03.884
There are obviously other podcasts
that I'm sure people are aware of

01:16:03.884 --> 01:16:10.015
that, you know, give platforms to,
uh, people with more fringe ideas,

01:16:10.435 --> 01:16:11.705
uh, a place to talk about them.

01:16:12.225 --> 01:16:16.505
And I think because of that, it
really is lifting, uh, the stigma.

01:16:17.085 --> 01:16:20.945
Um, you know, especially with the
whole little green men thing, you know,

01:16:20.945 --> 01:16:26.275
that's something that, you know, you'd
always refer to non human intelligence

01:16:26.275 --> 01:16:29.135
is like, Oh, these little green men
from Mars and they're flying saucers.

01:16:29.135 --> 01:16:34.285
And it was always sort of like tinfoil
hat, you'd play the little X Files music,

01:16:34.295 --> 01:16:35.724
you know, and that was like the whole.

01:16:35.945 --> 01:16:42.225
Just a bit now we're having credible
physicists, uh, anthropologists

01:16:42.225 --> 01:16:45.695
like Michael Masters, uh, looking
into this, uh, possibly being extra

01:16:45.695 --> 01:16:49.035
tempestual beings being from the future,
you know, because if you follow a

01:16:49.124 --> 01:16:50.455
revolution, we might look like them.

01:16:50.775 --> 01:16:55.885
Um, we have people like, uh, Graham
Hancock questioning, you know, our

01:16:55.885 --> 01:17:00.525
past, uh, perhaps they did have some
type of technology in these ancient

01:17:00.525 --> 01:17:02.175
civilizations that we're unaware of.

01:17:02.765 --> 01:17:08.555
Um, but we also, you know, have people
studying, um, you know, people who are

01:17:08.555 --> 01:17:11.845
neurodivergent and they're finding out
there's some really interesting things

01:17:11.845 --> 01:17:14.215
there that tie it to sigh ability.

01:17:14.215 --> 01:17:17.334
And, um, there's just, yeah, yeah.

01:17:17.335 --> 01:17:18.394
There's the telepathy tapes.

01:17:18.395 --> 01:17:19.044
I mentioned it earlier.

01:17:19.045 --> 01:17:19.945
It's very interesting.

01:17:19.945 --> 01:17:20.755
Very, very interesting.

01:17:21.285 --> 01:17:26.915
Um, there are people from all walks
of life getting involved in this.

01:17:26.915 --> 01:17:29.765
And I think that because.

01:17:30.345 --> 01:17:33.565
If this is real, which I know it's real.

01:17:33.565 --> 01:17:35.655
There's another knowing that I
know there's something going on.

01:17:36.235 --> 01:17:41.605
Um, but if this is real, then it
does merit attention, obviously.

01:17:42.605 --> 01:17:45.265
And it merits the attention
of absolutely every field.

01:17:45.285 --> 01:17:49.565
I think, you know, I spoke to
someone recently, uh, Chrissy Newton.

01:17:49.574 --> 01:17:51.144
She's from Toronto.

01:17:51.144 --> 01:17:55.455
She's, um, a journalist, uh,
and a UAP, uh, investigator.

01:17:56.005 --> 01:17:57.425
And she says this too.

01:17:57.425 --> 01:17:59.505
We, you know, we need everyone.

01:17:59.575 --> 01:18:01.215
You need everyone to be
interested in this stuff.

01:18:01.805 --> 01:18:04.005
You need everyone from all walks of life.

01:18:04.045 --> 01:18:06.085
You need people who are into medicine.

01:18:06.085 --> 01:18:11.315
You need people who are, uh, into, uh, you
know, exercise or all, all these different

01:18:11.504 --> 01:18:13.595
facets because they all relate back.

01:18:13.595 --> 01:18:19.765
This is so important that if this happens,
if this, you know, disclosure moment

01:18:19.775 --> 01:18:23.715
happens or whatever that is, we're going
to need all hands on deck to really

01:18:23.715 --> 01:18:26.985
figure out what this means as a society.

01:18:27.035 --> 01:18:28.985
Everybody's going to have
to play their part because.

01:18:29.845 --> 01:18:32.735
You know, it's a conversation
that a lot of people unfortunately

01:18:32.735 --> 01:18:38.305
want to avoid due to the potential
repercussions, that ontological

01:18:38.315 --> 01:18:40.385
repercussion that that brings with it.

01:18:40.725 --> 01:18:47.884
It means that your life isn't
so important, or rather, it's

01:18:47.915 --> 01:18:49.855
placed on a different scale.

01:18:50.635 --> 01:18:54.465
And that frightens the heck out of
people, you know, for good reason.

01:18:55.520 --> 01:18:59.780
Um, you know, and I know a lot of
people in my life who I could, I

01:18:59.780 --> 01:19:04.020
could confidently say the way that
they're living would not deal,

01:19:04.030 --> 01:19:07.420
would not fare so well with, with
this type of, uh, disclosure.

01:19:07.949 --> 01:19:10.970
Travis Bader: What type of people
wouldn't deal well in something like this?

01:19:10.989 --> 01:19:15.350
Chris Ramsay: Well, I think that
people who, um, don't have time

01:19:15.350 --> 01:19:17.360
for it is how I would put it.

01:19:17.530 --> 01:19:18.520
Cause I hear a lot of that.

01:19:19.150 --> 01:19:21.770
I hear people like, yeah, but aliens,
I just don't have time for that.

01:19:22.080 --> 01:19:22.470
Right.

01:19:22.805 --> 01:19:24.955
I'm like, okay, cool.

01:19:24.995 --> 01:19:27.715
Well, I don't think that
matters if they show up.

01:19:29.335 --> 01:19:30.035
What are you going to do?

01:19:30.065 --> 01:19:30.885
Like, keep going to work?

01:19:31.195 --> 01:19:36.085
Obviously we're going to keep, you know,
but we also have to devote, I think,

01:19:36.634 --> 01:19:43.450
if that happens, a part of, you know,
Your mind to that, because now this

01:19:43.460 --> 01:19:53.060
brings in a whole other set of beliefs,
values, questions that you either draw

01:19:53.240 --> 01:19:55.180
attention to or completely ignore.

01:19:55.410 --> 01:19:55.750
Yeah.

01:19:56.019 --> 01:19:56.820
And then you ignoring.

01:19:56.899 --> 01:20:00.089
And I think a lot of people are
comfortable ignoring, but when faced

01:20:00.090 --> 01:20:03.730
with Uh, you know, uh, potential
disclosure, like now we're having these

01:20:03.730 --> 01:20:08.860
UAP hearings and there's all sorts of
talk in government and, uh, there's

01:20:08.860 --> 01:20:10.860
policies being written about UAP.

01:20:10.890 --> 01:20:13.309
There's these drone incursions that
have been happening recently that

01:20:13.309 --> 01:20:15.860
they don't exactly know, you know,
where the origin of these are.

01:20:16.300 --> 01:20:20.050
And so this, the conversation is
becoming more and more real and

01:20:20.060 --> 01:20:21.900
you either open yourself up to it.

01:20:22.705 --> 01:20:25.625
Or shun, you know, yourself from it.

01:20:25.665 --> 01:20:29.775
And if you do the latter, I do believe
that, you know, we've seen cases of

01:20:29.775 --> 01:20:31.955
ontological shock and it's not pretty.

01:20:32.715 --> 01:20:37.935
Um, you look at, there was these tribes,
I think in New Zealand, uh, native

01:20:37.935 --> 01:20:39.845
tribes, there was a documentary on them.

01:20:40.435 --> 01:20:45.254
Um, there's a documentary on
seeing them for the first time.

01:20:45.254 --> 01:20:48.645
So this tribe was uncontacted forever.

01:20:50.285 --> 01:20:54.224
And they're seeing man for the
white guys for the first time.

01:20:54.894 --> 01:20:55.374
Right.

01:20:55.925 --> 01:20:56.495
So.

01:20:57.325 --> 01:21:02.259
This is exactly what it would
look like if you saw an alien.

01:21:02.600 --> 01:21:04.350
If you watch this, it is exactly that.

01:21:04.350 --> 01:21:04.630
Good point.

01:21:04.890 --> 01:21:07.760
Because they look, they're,
okay, they're bipedal.

01:21:08.490 --> 01:21:08.700
Yeah.

01:21:08.760 --> 01:21:09.600
They have that in common.

01:21:09.600 --> 01:21:10.520
But other than that,

01:21:10.910 --> 01:21:11.670
Travis Bader: They look totally different.

01:21:11.680 --> 01:21:11.860
The

01:21:11.860 --> 01:21:13.050
Chris Ramsay: face structure is different.

01:21:13.050 --> 01:21:14.440
The color of their skin is different.

01:21:14.590 --> 01:21:15.730
Their clothes is different.

01:21:15.989 --> 01:21:22.080
They're using, uh, advanced technology,
gadgets, vehicles, that are making crazy

01:21:22.080 --> 01:21:27.489
sound, planes, all speaking a different
language, writing different symbols.

01:21:27.510 --> 01:21:29.950
This is an entirely
different civilization.

01:21:30.310 --> 01:21:33.380
An entirely different level of
intelligence that they're used to.

01:21:33.380 --> 01:21:33.540
Thank you.

01:21:35.350 --> 01:21:42.760
And you can see the terror in the
confliction with, uh, with these

01:21:42.760 --> 01:21:46.070
people trying to come to terms
with what it is they're observing.

01:21:47.530 --> 01:21:51.339
And I think, you know, that, that
serves as almost a template for

01:21:51.340 --> 01:21:57.580
what it is we can expect, you know,
when meeting, um, such a drastically

01:21:57.740 --> 01:21:59.700
different form of intelligence.

01:21:59.715 --> 01:22:06.585
Um, and so, you know, it's, it's a lesson
to be learned, but you know, I'm, I've

01:22:06.585 --> 01:22:11.614
already had multiple paradigm shifts in
my life and, and, and, and sort of like,

01:22:11.615 --> 01:22:16.985
I'm in the process of preparing myself
for like such, you know, but I've, I've

01:22:16.985 --> 01:22:18.954
spoken to people who've had contact.

01:22:18.955 --> 01:22:19.005
Yeah.

01:22:19.320 --> 01:22:20.430
You know, according to them.

01:22:20.790 --> 01:22:21.220
Sure.

01:22:21.470 --> 01:22:25.170
And, and not just with UAP, you
know, with entities and stuff.

01:22:25.180 --> 01:22:29.420
So it's like, you know, and when
you, when you meet these people, when

01:22:29.420 --> 01:22:34.399
you speak to these people, there's,
there's just some people you're

01:22:34.399 --> 01:22:35.749
like, you have no reason to lie.

01:22:36.525 --> 01:22:40.975
And you're like in, you're a, you're
a, you're an upholding citizen.

01:22:40.975 --> 01:22:44.355
And you're like, you're like this,
this pillar in your community.

01:22:44.355 --> 01:22:47.775
Why would you, why would you say
these things if it wasn't true?

01:22:47.785 --> 01:22:48.454
Did that video

01:22:48.794 --> 01:22:50.755
Travis Bader: that I sent over,
did that video make it out to you?

01:22:51.015 --> 01:22:51.624
Which one's that?

01:22:52.315 --> 01:22:55.805
So there's a talk about upstanding
people in their community

01:22:55.805 --> 01:22:57.024
pillars and what they do.

01:22:57.184 --> 01:23:02.725
Um, it was a UAP video, uh, and it
was videotaped by three people who

01:23:02.725 --> 01:23:06.665
work in law enforcement, who are doing
surveillance in a remote wilderness area.

01:23:06.870 --> 01:23:13.590
And, uh, there was a, um, a
circular multicolored changing

01:23:13.590 --> 01:23:15.330
with a dark kind of center.

01:23:15.800 --> 01:23:19.380
And I have these two kind of like
light beams that kind of came

01:23:19.380 --> 01:23:20.810
off a little bit off the side.

01:23:20.829 --> 01:23:23.949
And they were able, when they blew
out the candle and the lantern,

01:23:23.960 --> 01:23:27.749
they could see a bit of a light
coming straight down from it.

01:23:28.170 --> 01:23:30.380
And this video, I don't know.

01:23:30.420 --> 01:23:31.570
So I guess it didn't make it over.

01:23:31.570 --> 01:23:32.190
I'll watch

01:23:32.190 --> 01:23:32.590
Chris Ramsay: it though.

01:23:32.610 --> 01:23:34.050
It sounds incredibly interesting.

01:23:34.695 --> 01:23:36.625
Travis Bader: So these
people are highly credible.

01:23:36.665 --> 01:23:38.205
They're trained in surveillance.

01:23:38.445 --> 01:23:43.105
Uh, in the short clip I sent over,
you could see them talking in a

01:23:43.105 --> 01:23:46.524
way that people doing surveillance
would, I see this confirmed.

01:23:46.525 --> 01:23:49.645
I see that, but they're just kind
of working their way through it.

01:23:50.685 --> 01:23:51.115
Yeah.

01:23:51.315 --> 01:23:58.635
Um, and there was nothing for hundreds
of kilometers behind where this thing

01:23:58.635 --> 01:24:01.644
should be, couldn't gauge distance.

01:24:01.985 --> 01:24:06.784
Uh, some thought maybe it's close, but
if it was close and moving kind of like

01:24:06.785 --> 01:24:08.925
a drone, it, there was no sound to it.

01:24:10.555 --> 01:24:15.845
One fellow thought it was probably
far out there and, uh, still huge.

01:24:16.965 --> 01:24:17.485
Yeah.

01:24:17.535 --> 01:24:22.324
And mind you, there were other videos,
uh, on your channel that I look at that

01:24:22.464 --> 01:24:24.744
very closely matched the same object.

01:24:24.884 --> 01:24:27.634
And they're talking about, uh,
that was one where you, you've.

01:24:27.965 --> 01:24:31.305
First started talking about,
um, what was it called?

01:24:31.305 --> 01:24:33.055
Uh, Immaculate Constellation.

01:24:33.875 --> 01:24:34.235
Yep.

01:24:35.725 --> 01:24:36.205
Chris Ramsay: Yeah.

01:24:36.265 --> 01:24:41.094
You know, um, there are credible people
in the government that have testified in

01:24:41.094 --> 01:24:46.265
front of Congress, um, put their careers,
their lives in some cases on the line.

01:24:47.015 --> 01:24:51.945
Uh, discussing the programs that
they've either been read into or made

01:24:51.945 --> 01:24:57.524
aware of that involve, you know, uh,
retrieval of some of these exotic

01:24:57.524 --> 01:25:00.905
materials that are, um, not of Earth.

01:25:01.375 --> 01:25:01.685
Mm.

01:25:01.895 --> 01:25:04.465
Um, and that's their words, you know?

01:25:04.974 --> 01:25:10.234
So you have to either tell
yourself they're lying.

01:25:12.840 --> 01:25:17.330
In which case, I guess, well, I
mean, if you're going to say that,

01:25:17.330 --> 01:25:19.720
that's fine, but now you're telling
you now you're telling yourself,

01:25:19.720 --> 01:25:20.980
like, you don't trust the government.

01:25:21.140 --> 01:25:23.630
So you've in turn become a
conspiracy theorist yourself.

01:25:24.950 --> 01:25:25.919
Have you, have you heard

01:25:25.929 --> 01:25:30.220
Travis Bader: the, uh, the
theory of, um, no, I've, I've

01:25:30.850 --> 01:25:32.190
And some of this is new to me.

01:25:32.200 --> 01:25:37.190
Some of this I've been, uh, kind of
watching for a while, but, um, that

01:25:37.190 --> 01:25:41.490
it's an anti government movement, the
recent UAP hearings and disclosure.

01:25:41.490 --> 01:25:43.409
Like the blue beam or like all sorts of,

01:25:43.870 --> 01:25:44.160
Chris Ramsay: yeah.

01:25:44.220 --> 01:25:47.579
And, and that is a possibility,
um, because there is

01:25:47.579 --> 01:25:48.720
precedent for that as well.

01:25:48.929 --> 01:25:54.980
There's a documentary out there
called, uh, uh, Miraclemen and it

01:25:54.980 --> 01:26:01.420
is about a disinformation campaign
that, Within the CIA, uh, that

01:26:01.480 --> 01:26:06.140
basically makes some guy believe
something that he tells the masses.

01:26:07.130 --> 01:26:12.220
Um, and people believe him, then
they prove that it wasn't real,

01:26:12.220 --> 01:26:13.560
and so it becomes disinformation.

01:26:13.560 --> 01:26:19.720
But the thing with disinformation is like,
If I was, and, and, and this is public

01:26:19.720 --> 01:26:23.160
knowledge, by the way, and people, folks
can look this up, there are departments,

01:26:23.790 --> 01:26:31.410
uh, in counterintelligence that are
hired to, uh, talk about UAP, right?

01:26:31.900 --> 01:26:36.719
Um, to make the public, uh, whether it's
through ridicule, whether it's through

01:26:36.719 --> 01:26:40.509
conspiracy, or whether it's actually
to just put out false information.

01:26:40.570 --> 01:26:41.769
Travis Bader: Uh,

01:26:42.050 --> 01:26:43.640
Chris Ramsay: so that
exists, that has been proven.

01:26:43.650 --> 01:26:44.230
We know that.

01:26:44.450 --> 01:26:48.950
And, you know, you wouldn't put it
past these 19 agencies, uh, who are

01:26:48.950 --> 01:26:52.120
made up of the most intelligent people
in the United States, you know, to,

01:26:52.140 --> 01:26:55.050
to do things like that, to control
whatever it is they need to control.

01:26:55.280 --> 01:26:56.539
Let's talk to a guy who.

01:26:56.750 --> 01:26:57.260
Does that?

01:26:57.350 --> 01:26:58.140
Yeah, exactly.

01:26:58.150 --> 01:27:00.120
So, you know, if they do job in the

01:27:00.120 --> 01:27:00.610
Travis Bader: government.

01:27:00.700 --> 01:27:01.000
Chris Ramsay: Yeah.

01:27:01.000 --> 01:27:06.140
And if they do have these programs, which
are super dark and black programs that

01:27:06.140 --> 01:27:09.930
don't exist, which we know of the, there
are programs like that because they come

01:27:09.930 --> 01:27:13.760
to light Stargate's one of them, they come
to light afterwards and you're like, Oh

01:27:13.760 --> 01:27:15.850
my God, okay, this, this was going on.

01:27:16.210 --> 01:27:18.080
So, you know, if there are these.

01:27:19.080 --> 01:27:21.780
These things that they have to
protect these legacy retrieval

01:27:21.780 --> 01:27:26.320
programs, then naturally, you know,
they would spread some, uh, disinfo.

01:27:27.410 --> 01:27:32.030
Um, and the way they do that is really
interesting too, because they don't,

01:27:32.089 --> 01:27:40.460
um, if I were to, you know, if you said,
oh, UFOs and aliens exist as, as, as a

01:27:40.460 --> 01:27:42.680
member of this disinformation campaign.

01:27:43.150 --> 01:27:44.620
I wouldn't say no, they don't.

01:27:45.790 --> 01:27:46.780
I would say, yeah.

01:27:46.780 --> 01:27:51.490
And they're also on the moon and the
Nazis are involved and there's lizard

01:27:51.490 --> 01:27:53.559
people and I would yes end them.

01:27:53.560 --> 01:27:53.800
Right.

01:27:53.950 --> 01:27:58.260
And so now you throw the baby
out with the bathwater and, and,

01:27:58.270 --> 01:28:00.680
you know, this is, this is things
they've also done at crash sites.

01:28:01.080 --> 01:28:03.760
So there are certain
crash sites in New Mexico.

01:28:04.220 --> 01:28:09.590
Uh, called the, um, uh, uh, the
donation fields, uh, where they've

01:28:09.590 --> 01:28:13.160
retrieved a lot of, uh, material,
metamaterial, like other, you know,

01:28:13.160 --> 01:28:14.729
potential crafts and their stories.

01:28:14.740 --> 01:28:17.369
There's witnesses to all this,
namely Roswell's like the most

01:28:17.370 --> 01:28:18.519
famous, but there's been others.

01:28:19.349 --> 01:28:22.770
And if you go to these sites, which
are highly under surveillance,

01:28:23.489 --> 01:28:25.470
um, they are littered.

01:28:25.865 --> 01:28:32.345
And scattered with shrapnel,
like, uh, tin cans, aluminum.

01:28:33.515 --> 01:28:36.335
Travis Bader: So, so people are
picking up tin cans, thinking that

01:28:36.335 --> 01:28:37.175
they're getting the real good.

01:28:37.175 --> 01:28:37.235
Well,

01:28:37.235 --> 01:28:39.174
Chris Ramsay: people are going out
there with metal detectors and can't

01:28:39.174 --> 01:28:45.995
find, uh, the difference between
perhaps exotic alloys and, you know,

01:28:45.995 --> 01:28:49.715
earthly, earthly, uh, fabricated metals.

01:28:50.605 --> 01:28:54.055
And so there's sprinkle and that's just
how this information works as well.

01:28:54.065 --> 01:28:54.359
It's like, yeah.

01:28:55.050 --> 01:28:59.740
It's much easier to sprinkle the truth
in with a lot of, uh, false truths,

01:29:00.140 --> 01:29:03.708
and then people prove the false truths,
and then they throw everything out.

01:29:04.545 --> 01:29:07.175
And that's a, it's a very
intelligent way of doing that.

01:29:07.175 --> 01:29:09.275
And it's obviously not something
I'd put, put past them.

01:29:09.820 --> 01:29:14.490
Travis Bader: Well, there's a fellow
who's works in, through his career

01:29:14.490 --> 01:29:18.509
in different levels of government and
who's an ardent believer in, there's

01:29:18.510 --> 01:29:22.169
something else out there, whether that's
interdimensional, whether that's, uh,

01:29:22.640 --> 01:29:26.209
uh, temporal, like you were saying
there, but he put me onto a book

01:29:26.260 --> 01:29:28.890
called, uh, Skinwalkers at the Pentagon.

01:29:28.969 --> 01:29:29.610
Have you heard of that one?

01:29:29.750 --> 01:29:30.570
No, I've heard of it.

01:29:30.570 --> 01:29:31.120
I haven't read it.

01:29:31.500 --> 01:29:31.940
Okay.

01:29:32.170 --> 01:29:34.000
I haven't read it either,
but AI is pretty cool.

01:29:34.080 --> 01:29:36.740
Chat GPT, I got it to give
me a summary of the thing.

01:29:37.205 --> 01:29:44.165
But, um, uh, this person's take on the
recent, uh, hearings that went out is

01:29:44.195 --> 01:29:47.135
that he's having a hard time buying it.

01:29:47.144 --> 01:29:49.735
He believes that there's something
else out there, but he believes that

01:29:49.735 --> 01:29:53.755
there's a financial motivation for,
uh, some people involved in this.

01:29:53.804 --> 01:29:54.334
Of course.

01:29:54.935 --> 01:29:55.315
Chris Ramsay: Yeah.

01:29:55.705 --> 01:29:59.605
I mean, of course these, uh, you
know, privatized legacy companies that

01:29:59.605 --> 01:30:03.245
have been working with this stuff,
you know, for, since the forties.

01:30:03.865 --> 01:30:05.985
Um, I've been involved
closely with the government.

01:30:06.015 --> 01:30:10.425
You know, you look at Lockheed, Boeing,
Raytheon, EG& G back in the day.

01:30:10.425 --> 01:30:15.394
These are all companies that, you
know, produce spacecrafts for the NRO.

01:30:15.395 --> 01:30:17.465
They produce satellites, spy satellites.

01:30:17.475 --> 01:30:21.750
They produce, Absolutely every
single piece of modern tech that

01:30:21.760 --> 01:30:25.540
we have in the air that, you know,
the B2 bomber, which was, you know,

01:30:25.540 --> 01:30:27.640
apparently partially made in area 51.

01:30:27.649 --> 01:30:31.930
Like, and so there's all
these, uh, technologies that

01:30:31.969 --> 01:30:34.780
the government has to work on.

01:30:34.790 --> 01:30:35.699
We understand that.

01:30:35.719 --> 01:30:38.720
We understand that the government has
to be at the forefront and that when we

01:30:38.720 --> 01:30:42.520
receive technology, it's probably been
out for 20 years on a military side.

01:30:42.520 --> 01:30:42.740
Right.

01:30:43.480 --> 01:30:47.340
Um, the problem with that is.

01:30:48.050 --> 01:30:52.810
If you're doing it within the
government, you are subject

01:30:52.820 --> 01:30:55.430
to, uh, congressional inquiry.

01:30:57.260 --> 01:31:05.259
Whereas if you privatize it, you are not
obliged to provide the same amount of

01:31:05.259 --> 01:31:07.089
information because it's proprietary.

01:31:07.160 --> 01:31:12.720
Um, and there's a reason they came
up with that law and it was because

01:31:12.720 --> 01:31:17.460
of these retrievals, um, you, you
know, so let's say hypothetically

01:31:17.460 --> 01:31:24.150
that one of these craft, uh, crash
landed and instead of haul, you know,

01:31:24.150 --> 01:31:25.879
we'll haul it off to a military base.

01:31:26.475 --> 01:31:32.035
Um, we'll say right, Patterson, we'll
just say, um, and once it, once it

01:31:32.035 --> 01:31:35.684
gets there, well, if it's there for
too long, it's going to, I mean,

01:31:35.684 --> 01:31:37.205
prying eyes and everything else.

01:31:37.474 --> 01:31:42.194
So they'll take this apart into a
thousand different pieces, scatter and

01:31:42.195 --> 01:31:48.385
compartmentalize everybody working on
it, um, subcontract this to a dozen.

01:31:48.720 --> 01:31:54.700
Um, you know, aerospace contractors,
uh, and be like, Hey, you look at the

01:31:54.710 --> 01:31:59.569
metal, you look at the propulsion,
you look at the, um, the energy

01:31:59.569 --> 01:32:01.050
source and all these different things.

01:32:01.069 --> 01:32:04.309
So these, even these companies
and within those companies, they

01:32:04.309 --> 01:32:06.160
have compartmentalized teams.

01:32:06.650 --> 01:32:10.900
So I know somebody who works at SpaceX
who, when he works on something, he's not

01:32:10.900 --> 01:32:12.340
allowed to know where this piece goes.

01:32:12.690 --> 01:32:13.250
Travis Bader: Mm.

01:32:13.250 --> 01:32:13.320
Chris Ramsay: Yeah.

01:32:13.495 --> 01:32:16.265
Uh, it would be much easier
for him to do his job if he

01:32:16.265 --> 01:32:17.375
could just know where it goes.

01:32:17.385 --> 01:32:19.295
And they're like, no,
sorry, just make the part.

01:32:20.305 --> 01:32:22.994
Um, but that's to
compartmentalize this stuff.

01:32:22.995 --> 01:32:26.045
So that because you're working
in aerospace, it's also

01:32:26.045 --> 01:32:27.844
considered, uh, weaponry.

01:32:27.865 --> 01:32:28.564
Sure.

01:32:28.565 --> 01:32:34.075
And, and you have to make sure that
no foreign, you know, adversary is

01:32:34.075 --> 01:32:35.685
also gathering this information.

01:32:35.685 --> 01:32:37.125
So they compartmentalize this stuff.

01:32:37.664 --> 01:32:41.324
And a lot of times there's over
classification, over compartmentalization.

01:32:41.325 --> 01:32:46.494
And so when the people at these companies
like Lockheed or Raytheon are, are

01:32:46.494 --> 01:32:49.215
working on these parts, they don't know.

01:32:49.545 --> 01:32:54.715
Necessarily that it's from another
star system, potentially, they just

01:32:54.725 --> 01:32:56.075
think it's advanced military tech.

01:32:56.085 --> 01:32:58.665
They have no idea because it's
got an American sticker on it.

01:32:58.665 --> 01:33:03.815
And they, you know, they just assume this
is high tech stuff and they're signed.

01:33:03.825 --> 01:33:05.165
They signed lifelong NDAs.

01:33:05.205 --> 01:33:10.525
We know this, uh, that they're
bound to even after death, um,

01:33:10.965 --> 01:33:12.465
you know, even after death.

01:33:12.505 --> 01:33:13.005
Travis Bader: Yeah.

01:33:13.535 --> 01:33:17.995
As in, they can't posthumously have
something like Dead Man's Switch.

01:33:18.015 --> 01:33:20.795
Chris Ramsay: Yeah, no, and a lot of
people, um, you know, and this has been

01:33:20.795 --> 01:33:27.515
said, David Grush, who, uh, you know, and,
and Lou Elizondo, who have both worked.

01:33:28.040 --> 01:33:31.940
Uh, with, you know, David Grush has
had GS 15 clearance, which is like

01:33:31.940 --> 01:33:36.319
the highest secret clearance higher
than people in Congress, you know?

01:33:36.319 --> 01:33:38.999
And so he's been briefed or not briefed.

01:33:38.999 --> 01:33:42.940
He's been told by people who've been
briefed that, yeah, there's threats,

01:33:42.940 --> 01:33:46.820
death threats by these companies, by these
private companies and by the government

01:33:46.830 --> 01:33:48.330
and by factions of the government.

01:33:48.650 --> 01:33:52.640
Um, that like, you know, if you tell
anyone we'll kill your entire family.

01:33:53.240 --> 01:33:54.300
And like, that's it.

01:33:54.400 --> 01:33:54.740
You know, you.

01:33:55.480 --> 01:33:57.820
You hear this and you think, surely
my government wouldn't do it.

01:33:57.820 --> 01:33:59.950
And surely, and you might,
Hey, you might be right.

01:34:00.050 --> 01:34:00.430
Sure.

01:34:00.480 --> 01:34:01.870
But, well, I don't know about that.

01:34:01.980 --> 01:34:02.550
I don't know.

01:34:02.610 --> 01:34:02.860
Yeah.

01:34:03.400 --> 01:34:05.280
But let's say for a second, right?

01:34:05.280 --> 01:34:07.609
Because a lot of people think like,
well, this is just a big secret.

01:34:07.610 --> 01:34:09.990
Everybody's first of all, very
few people know about this.

01:34:09.990 --> 01:34:12.790
This is like, there's like 500 people
that are read into these projects.

01:34:12.800 --> 01:34:13.540
It's not big.

01:34:14.219 --> 01:34:19.580
Everything else is speculation, but you
know, how do you keep a secret like that?

01:34:19.600 --> 01:34:22.490
Surely people are like, well, just
an NDA, you know, it's just an NDA.

01:34:23.370 --> 01:34:26.260
But if you go to someone
with kids and you say.

01:34:26.925 --> 01:34:30.255
Hey, we'll take out your whole
family from the equation.

01:34:31.995 --> 01:34:36.565
You know, you don't want to take even 1
percent of a chance of that being true.

01:34:37.915 --> 01:34:39.145
You want to protect your family.

01:34:39.634 --> 01:34:41.335
So naturally you're never
going to talk about it.

01:34:41.455 --> 01:34:42.695
You'll never talk about it.

01:34:43.035 --> 01:34:46.715
Even if, even if there's a 99 percent
chance that they're just bluffing.

01:34:47.710 --> 01:34:49.800
If there's a 1 percent chance
that you're not going to put

01:34:49.800 --> 01:34:50.990
your family at risk, right?

01:34:50.990 --> 01:34:51.810
So you'll never talk.

01:34:52.150 --> 01:34:57.930
And that's how they've basically been, um,
keeping this a secret for like 70 years.

01:34:57.950 --> 01:35:00.559
It's, it's an insane thing to
hear if you're hearing it for

01:35:00.560 --> 01:35:03.190
the first time, but there's a lot
of documentation on this stuff.

01:35:03.689 --> 01:35:04.019
Travis Bader: I don't know.

01:35:04.019 --> 01:35:07.670
We, the, uh, Silvercore podcast,
I think has an audience that

01:35:07.680 --> 01:35:12.350
might be a little more, um,
Understanding or, um, a skeptical

01:35:12.400 --> 01:35:15.230
of government than, uh, than others.

01:35:15.230 --> 01:35:18.810
Well, uh, talking about UAPs is
not something that we've, uh,

01:35:19.410 --> 01:35:21.080
talked too much about in the past.

01:35:21.180 --> 01:35:23.829
Um, John Sinai did bring some of that up.

01:35:23.829 --> 01:35:29.260
He's a futurist and he's from South
Africa, interesting fellow, but, um,

01:35:29.419 --> 01:35:34.240
I, I like the, uh, the connection
between, uh, us and our natural

01:35:34.240 --> 01:35:35.660
world and our natural environment.

01:35:36.540 --> 01:35:40.780
And, you know, even talking with,
uh, ex special forces, um, Sean

01:35:40.800 --> 01:35:46.890
Taylor, ex JTF2, uh, he talks about
things that would be very akin to,

01:35:47.420 --> 01:35:50.619
uh, but in a different wavelength to
what you've been talking about here.

01:35:51.010 --> 01:35:56.639
So there is a crossover in, in our
audiences and there's, I would say

01:35:56.670 --> 01:36:03.239
there's definitely a, um, an openness to
believing that the government might be

01:36:03.239 --> 01:36:07.910
doing something to hide things because
it's been, you know, True proven over

01:36:07.910 --> 01:36:09.770
and over again in, in our industry.

01:36:10.590 --> 01:36:15.460
Um, I did put out some questions
to, uh, Silvercore club

01:36:15.460 --> 01:36:18.130
members and, and a few people.

01:36:18.130 --> 01:36:20.139
I kind of selectively went through
it because I knew these are

01:36:20.140 --> 01:36:23.759
people who would have an interest
in what it is you're doing.

01:36:23.780 --> 01:36:26.629
And, uh, if you're up for
it, I got a few of them here.

01:36:26.850 --> 01:36:31.060
So, um, uh, By the way,
sorry to cut you off.

01:36:31.090 --> 01:36:31.400
Um,

01:36:31.580 --> 01:36:33.210
Chris Ramsay: JTF.

01:36:33.440 --> 01:36:36.880
Joint task force was actually, uh,
the number one client of Stargate.

01:36:37.815 --> 01:36:42.545
They had, yeah, they had like, uh, out
of the 505 missions, I think 172 of

01:36:42.545 --> 01:36:48.874
them came from the joint task force,
separate missions, 172 separate missions.

01:36:49.545 --> 01:36:52.725
Travis Bader: Perhaps that's why
what he talks about is very similar

01:36:52.725 --> 01:36:53.895
to what you're talking about here.

01:36:54.194 --> 01:36:57.674
When he talks about his consciousness in
another room and how he expands it past.

01:36:57.674 --> 01:37:00.004
And, uh, I'll have to, uh,
I'll have to bring that up.

01:37:00.215 --> 01:37:00.425
Yeah,

01:37:00.425 --> 01:37:01.735
Chris Ramsay: you have
to, I have to ask him.

01:37:01.735 --> 01:37:04.795
They would, they would intercept,
um, they would intercept a lot of

01:37:04.795 --> 01:37:06.505
drug smuggling on the coastline.

01:37:06.794 --> 01:37:10.505
Um, And they would do these
remote viewings weeks before.

01:37:11.335 --> 01:37:13.665
So they would know weeks ahead
of time where this person is

01:37:13.665 --> 01:37:14.725
going to be with the drugs.

01:37:14.725 --> 01:37:16.025
And they would, then
they would intercept it.

01:37:16.115 --> 01:37:18.405
And that's why they came back 172 times.

01:37:18.795 --> 01:37:19.545
Travis Bader: Interesting.

01:37:19.605 --> 01:37:22.005
Like he talks right now
about his consciousness.

01:37:22.035 --> 01:37:25.495
He'll feel what's inside the next
room, the room that he's not in

01:37:25.525 --> 01:37:29.035
just in his, uh, in his waking
time and how he practices that.

01:37:29.074 --> 01:37:29.505
Very cool.

01:37:29.875 --> 01:37:32.975
Interesting guy to talk about,
uh, do we live in a simulation?

01:37:33.045 --> 01:37:34.825
Is it a holographic universe?

01:37:34.845 --> 01:37:35.965
Are we living in a matrix?

01:37:35.965 --> 01:37:36.205
Because.

01:37:36.205 --> 01:37:36.629
Isn't it?

01:37:37.070 --> 01:37:40.450
Um, he brings a, uh, a neat perspective.

01:37:40.480 --> 01:37:42.420
He's been on the podcast here before and.

01:37:42.900 --> 01:37:43.340
Very cool.

01:37:43.690 --> 01:37:44.160
Cool fellow.

01:37:44.820 --> 01:37:50.200
Um, but he says, um, the Nike, uh,
we have one here curious to hear

01:37:50.229 --> 01:37:53.309
what the feeling was like in the
room for the congressional hearings.

01:37:53.855 --> 01:37:56.965
Was there a nuance that folks
who are watching me have missed?

01:37:57.305 --> 01:37:58.575
Chris Ramsay: Yeah, definitely.

01:37:59.115 --> 01:38:04.964
First of all, feeling was historical,
uh, you know, as a Canadian YouTuber,

01:38:04.964 --> 01:38:09.125
puzzle solver, magician, I felt,
you know, an immense sense of, uh,

01:38:09.265 --> 01:38:13.485
imposter syndrome, uh, sitting there,
especially courtside, you know,

01:38:13.485 --> 01:38:15.085
it was, it was a wild experience.

01:38:15.615 --> 01:38:18.130
Um, The things that
people may have missed.

01:38:18.130 --> 01:38:23.820
Well, beside me to my right was someone,
uh, some type of director of NASA at some,

01:38:23.860 --> 01:38:25.950
on some level, some very high up at NASA.

01:38:26.599 --> 01:38:29.700
And he was like, play by playing
everything Mike Gold was saying on

01:38:29.710 --> 01:38:33.500
the other side of the table, uh,
texting to someone like nonstop.

01:38:33.500 --> 01:38:35.469
So I was like, okay, he's
under a watchful eye.

01:38:35.479 --> 01:38:36.279
That's for sure.

01:38:37.249 --> 01:38:42.780
Um, another thing that people
might've missed is, uh, you know,

01:38:42.780 --> 01:38:47.400
you'll see the witnesses answering
questions on the C SPAN feed.

01:38:47.805 --> 01:38:52.745
In person, there's a lot going on up
there, you know, on the sort of dais or

01:38:52.745 --> 01:38:57.485
on the panel or whatever these, these,
uh, congressmen and women are constantly

01:38:57.485 --> 01:39:01.484
whispering in each other's ears, sharing
notes, you know, so who knows what

01:39:01.484 --> 01:39:05.705
they're saying, but there's a whole
other interactive side that's happening

01:39:05.775 --> 01:39:07.304
while the questions are being answered.

01:39:08.055 --> 01:39:10.735
And mainly they ask the questions
just to get the stuff on the record.

01:39:11.055 --> 01:39:13.045
They don't really care about
hearing the answer themselves.

01:39:13.045 --> 01:39:15.245
You know, they're like,
okay, now it's in the record.

01:39:15.245 --> 01:39:16.215
That's all they want.

01:39:16.735 --> 01:39:20.074
Uh, but yeah, they're busy, you
know, scheming away or figuring

01:39:20.074 --> 01:39:22.724
out the, you know, what the
next step is or new information.

01:39:22.725 --> 01:39:26.765
So it was interesting to see just that
side of things from, and that's the side

01:39:26.774 --> 01:39:28.985
you won't see if you tune in online.

01:39:29.035 --> 01:39:33.465
So, and then I got to go sort of behind
the scenes, there's like a back room,

01:39:33.465 --> 01:39:38.305
um, um, Hang out with all the witnesses
and some of the people in Congress, Tim

01:39:38.305 --> 01:39:42.175
Burchett, and, you know, there's things
that I noticed like Tim Burchett, I

01:39:42.175 --> 01:39:45.695
talked to, he's very friendly, uh, you
know, but he was taking a selfie at one

01:39:45.695 --> 01:39:50.274
point and I noticed on the back of his
phone case, he's got a Bigfoot sticker,

01:39:51.324 --> 01:39:55.355
something you wouldn't have seen, you
know, if you weren't there in that room.

01:39:55.850 --> 01:39:56.270
Yep.

01:39:56.310 --> 01:40:00.620
So, you know, that gives me a
little bit of insight into, you

01:40:00.620 --> 01:40:02.000
know, who he is potentially.

01:40:02.340 --> 01:40:02.810
Mm hmm.

01:40:02.890 --> 01:40:08.420
So, you know, just, just from, from
a, again, a social aspect, I got to, I

01:40:08.420 --> 01:40:13.960
got to, uh, learn a lot and, and just
acquire a lot of information, um, floating

01:40:13.960 --> 01:40:16.050
around freely in these little spaces.

01:40:17.365 --> 01:40:17.615
Travis Bader: Excellent.

01:40:17.655 --> 01:40:22.145
We got, uh, of course, Immaculate
Constellation, what were his big

01:40:22.165 --> 01:40:25.695
takeaways from the report and what
should people be paying attention to?

01:40:25.695 --> 01:40:28.095
And what do you think the
next steps for Congress are?

01:40:28.145 --> 01:40:28.834
A lot of questions in that.

01:40:28.884 --> 01:40:29.204
Yeah.

01:40:29.205 --> 01:40:29.605
Chris Ramsay: Yeah.

01:40:29.634 --> 01:40:30.525
Great questions.

01:40:30.575 --> 01:40:32.695
Uh, big takeaways from
Immaculate Constellation.

01:40:32.714 --> 01:40:37.220
One of them was that they said multiple
whistleblowers had, you know, Had, uh,

01:40:37.230 --> 01:40:41.280
gone into, gone into a skiff at Congress
and spoken to congressional members.

01:40:41.710 --> 01:40:42.650
So that's important.

01:40:43.090 --> 01:40:47.640
That's important knowing what the
questions coming from Congress were.

01:40:48.790 --> 01:40:54.229
Now that you know that, you gotta ask
yourself, Are these questions from

01:40:54.229 --> 01:40:59.490
Congress coming from an informed,
uh, Um, point of view, or are they

01:40:59.490 --> 01:41:01.110
coming from YouTube rabbit hole?

01:41:01.110 --> 01:41:04.360
Like we don't know, but you know, it
would be interesting if it was the former.

01:41:04.860 --> 01:41:09.889
Um, secondly, um, what was, what
was the second part of the question?

01:41:10.319 --> 01:41:10.899
Um,

01:41:11.420 --> 01:41:12.980
Travis Bader: what should
we be paying attention to?

01:41:12.980 --> 01:41:14.619
And what do you think next
steps for Congress are?

01:41:14.630 --> 01:41:15.080
Chris Ramsay: Right.

01:41:15.080 --> 01:41:15.340
Okay.

01:41:15.340 --> 01:41:17.020
What should we be paying attention to?

01:41:18.450 --> 01:41:21.950
Um, hard to say, hard to say.

01:41:22.480 --> 01:41:24.830
We're, uh, there's a
battle for our attention.

01:41:26.285 --> 01:41:28.785
You know, so you're going to, your
attention is going to be drawn

01:41:28.785 --> 01:41:30.145
in many different directions.

01:41:30.585 --> 01:41:35.154
I would just keep an open mind, um,
you know, you're going to be hearing

01:41:35.154 --> 01:41:37.455
a lot of drone incursion talk.

01:41:37.455 --> 01:41:41.204
You're going to be hearing, you know,
you're going to be hearing whistleblowers.

01:41:41.204 --> 01:41:45.114
You're going to be hearing a lot
of different things, you know,

01:41:45.125 --> 01:41:47.855
stay the course, stay skeptical.

01:41:48.495 --> 01:41:56.510
Um, don't form, you An opinion is
like the biggest takeaway that I

01:41:56.520 --> 01:42:01.220
have for all of this and is what I'm
trying to do with my channel as well.

01:42:01.720 --> 01:42:06.480
Let's just keep absorbing information,
you know, make connections, but do

01:42:06.480 --> 01:42:11.730
not block anything out due to some
preconceived notion of, you know, You

01:42:11.730 --> 01:42:17.200
know, your objective reality, allow
yourself to, to, uh, to wander off.

01:42:17.290 --> 01:42:19.800
And then what can we expect from Congress?

01:42:20.150 --> 01:42:20.719
I don't know.

01:42:20.860 --> 01:42:23.590
I think the only thing that I look
forward to, and I can speak for a lot of

01:42:23.600 --> 01:42:27.919
people is we want a firsthand witness to
be brought up in one of these hearings.

01:42:27.920 --> 01:42:29.799
We're sick of hearing thirdhand accounts.

01:42:30.450 --> 01:42:35.980
Um, you know, a bunch of brave, uh,
men have spoken and, but we could

01:42:35.980 --> 01:42:41.450
use a lot more people who've perhaps
potentially worked on these craft.

01:42:42.190 --> 01:42:42.810
Or a body.

01:42:43.210 --> 01:42:43.600
Yeah.

01:42:43.600 --> 01:42:45.140
And for that, or a body.

01:42:45.140 --> 01:42:45.880
Yeah, exactly.

01:42:46.160 --> 01:42:49.960
Uh, but for that to be a reality,
there needs to be greater protection

01:42:49.960 --> 01:42:53.039
in place for these people because they
do fear for their lives and it is the

01:42:53.039 --> 01:42:54.260
reason they're not coming forward.

01:42:56.020 --> 01:42:58.359
Travis Bader: So here's one says,
I reacted to a question in the

01:42:58.359 --> 01:43:01.750
hearing about the human genetic
modification via hybridization.

01:43:01.780 --> 01:43:06.100
Although I've heard it's a theory for
the quote, human race, I haven't heard.

01:43:06.290 --> 01:43:09.380
That is a potential SAP or
program in the military.

01:43:09.400 --> 01:43:10.950
How valid do you think that claim is?

01:43:12.610 --> 01:43:13.850
Chris Ramsay: Well, she
said it was whispers.

01:43:13.850 --> 01:43:17.470
It was a Congresswoman Boebert who spoke
about that, that there was whispers on

01:43:17.470 --> 01:43:22.170
the Hill of something like that, that
those whispers had been going back

01:43:22.360 --> 01:43:26.150
into pre cold war era in the sixties.

01:43:26.659 --> 01:43:28.199
Um, you know, you look at.

01:43:28.620 --> 01:43:32.420
where Captain America, you
know, was spawned from.

01:43:32.420 --> 01:43:36.930
It was spawned from the same genetic
enhancement programs, you know, that

01:43:36.930 --> 01:43:40.010
the government, you know, potentially
had to create super soldiers.

01:43:40.909 --> 01:43:47.329
Um, however, if you look more into, and
this is something a lot of people aren't

01:43:47.329 --> 01:43:52.430
ready to talk about, but if you look into
abductions, um, which have been going back

01:43:52.630 --> 01:43:58.510
a long time, um, hundreds of thousands
of cases, um, This isn't, this isn't

01:43:58.520 --> 01:44:00.610
something small, this isn't something new.

01:44:00.610 --> 01:44:02.570
This isn't just Travis
Walton, fire in the sky.

01:44:03.130 --> 01:44:09.790
This is, this goes way beyond that
with thousands of credible people who

01:44:09.790 --> 01:44:14.820
are not willing to come forward for
fear of stigma and ridicule, who are

01:44:14.830 --> 01:44:22.050
mapping out a potential, um, reason
for this happening collectively.

01:44:22.900 --> 01:44:27.720
You have, uh, people like, you know,
John Mack, uh, David Jacobs, uh, even Bud

01:44:27.720 --> 01:44:33.390
Hopkins who have spoken to collectively
tens of thousands of witnesses and

01:44:33.400 --> 01:44:37.530
had their testimony, whether through
regression, whether through, um, you

01:44:37.530 --> 01:44:43.909
know, their, their actual, you know,
just, uh, memory, um, and, and also,

01:44:43.910 --> 01:44:45.130
also, you know, physical testimony.

01:44:46.035 --> 01:44:50.455
scars or, you know, implants or
whatnot, have come forward to talk

01:44:50.465 --> 01:44:54.505
about their experience and their
interaction with these, uh, beings.

01:44:54.945 --> 01:44:59.285
And there's been a lot
of commonalities, a lot.

01:44:59.295 --> 01:45:01.935
It's pretty consistent, very consistent.

01:45:02.304 --> 01:45:05.665
And it looks like, and you
know, do I believe this?

01:45:05.685 --> 01:45:08.825
I'm leaning towards there's some truth
here because of the amount of people and

01:45:08.825 --> 01:45:13.595
the credibility of the people, but it's
leaning towards there is some type of.

01:45:14.325 --> 01:45:21.535
genetic agenda, um, with
this, uh, intelligence.

01:45:22.205 --> 01:45:26.025
Um, you know, what that
is, is speculative at best.

01:45:26.694 --> 01:45:31.674
Um, you know, whether it's to
genetically enhance humans to be

01:45:31.674 --> 01:45:34.955
prepared for something, whether it's
something more nefarious, I don't know.

01:45:35.380 --> 01:45:37.700
But there does seem to be
some type of connection.

01:45:37.710 --> 01:45:41.160
And I think that's what was being
referred to, uh, because this has

01:45:41.160 --> 01:45:42.470
been studied for a very long time.

01:45:42.470 --> 01:45:43.980
It's a very serious
issue, but it's an issue.

01:45:43.980 --> 01:45:46.869
Not a lot of people are ready to, it's
a conversation people aren't ready for.

01:45:47.509 --> 01:45:55.180
Um, people are still, you know, are
UAP real and, you know, I've spoken

01:45:55.209 --> 01:46:05.720
to several, um, you know, experiencers
who clearly have post traumatic

01:46:05.720 --> 01:46:09.260
stress from their experiences.

01:46:10.625 --> 01:46:14.505
who gain nothing from saying this
because they don't want to go public.

01:46:15.935 --> 01:46:18.695
Uh, who you can see in their
eyes are absolutely terrified.

01:46:19.725 --> 01:46:26.745
Of what they went through and
who hide that from even, uh, the

01:46:26.745 --> 01:46:29.055
people closest to them, you know?

01:46:29.055 --> 01:46:33.415
So it's, uh, you know, it's people who
begin to speak about it and then break

01:46:33.415 --> 01:46:38.994
down because they can't continue and you
have to like pry it out of them because

01:46:38.994 --> 01:46:40.075
they're not willing to give it up.

01:46:40.105 --> 01:46:43.275
They just don't want to even utter the
words because of how traumatic it was.

01:46:43.825 --> 01:46:49.015
Like these types of experiences
are numerous, it's terrifying.

01:46:49.285 --> 01:46:51.815
Travis Bader: Whitley
Yeah, Whitley Strieber.

01:46:51.815 --> 01:46:52.125
Yeah, absolutely.

01:46:52.125 --> 01:46:52.764
Absolutely.

01:46:52.765 --> 01:46:53.115
There is.

01:46:53.115 --> 01:46:53.325
Absolutely.

01:46:53.700 --> 01:46:58.020
As a kid, I read those, uh, Communion and
watched Christopher Walken play the role.

01:46:58.020 --> 01:47:02.180
And I don't think I slept with the
lights off for a while after that one.

01:47:02.180 --> 01:47:04.379
I think it was 12, 10, 11 around there.

01:47:04.439 --> 01:47:05.189
Chris Ramsay: Absolutely.

01:47:05.200 --> 01:47:08.220
And you know, there are,
again, like I said, thousands

01:47:08.220 --> 01:47:10.389
of experiences, very similar.

01:47:10.780 --> 01:47:13.400
And many comparisons can be, can be drawn.

01:47:14.410 --> 01:47:17.380
And, uh, you know, those are only the
people who are willing to speak about it.

01:47:18.970 --> 01:47:24.570
Uh, and so, yeah, there, there does
seem to be some type of genetic program.

01:47:25.089 --> 01:47:30.019
Uh, and I don't know whether or not there
are factions of the government that are

01:47:30.020 --> 01:47:34.690
aware of that, or if there is a separate
genetic program, you know, happening

01:47:34.690 --> 01:47:39.270
within the government, those are all
speculatory, you know, conversations,

01:47:39.340 --> 01:47:41.460
um, which I'm happy to indulge.

01:47:42.005 --> 01:47:47.225
But again, I won't, you know, I won't
definitively say anything is anything.

01:47:47.225 --> 01:47:50.995
I'm not in a position to say that, uh,
but I'm just, I'm having fun connecting

01:47:50.995 --> 01:47:55.635
the dots and I find it really interesting
that there are a lot of people saying

01:47:55.635 --> 01:47:57.274
the same things with nothing to gain.

01:47:57.275 --> 01:47:58.965
I think that's just an
interesting data point.

01:47:59.565 --> 01:48:00.265
Travis Bader: Yeah.

01:48:00.505 --> 01:48:00.995
Yeah.

01:48:01.065 --> 01:48:04.125
Um, here's one that we kind of touched on.

01:48:04.175 --> 01:48:06.764
I'd love to hear his
thoughts on what it is.

01:48:06.764 --> 01:48:09.914
Extraterrestrial, interdimensional,
time traveler theories.

01:48:09.935 --> 01:48:12.395
Which does he feel is most likely?

01:48:12.585 --> 01:48:14.695
Chris Ramsay: Yeah, I
think all of the above.

01:48:15.544 --> 01:48:15.804
Yeah.

01:48:15.805 --> 01:48:20.295
I think, um, as, as far as I'm concerned
with the information that we're

01:48:20.295 --> 01:48:22.585
given, it could be a number of things.

01:48:22.765 --> 01:48:25.115
And so I say, why not
just be everything then?

01:48:25.525 --> 01:48:34.290
Um, and I think that, Is probably, you
know, a, uh, a good enough, a good enough

01:48:34.290 --> 01:48:38.940
place to, to be, uh, far better than
thinking nothing's up, you know, so I

01:48:38.940 --> 01:48:40.140
just kind of like, all right, let's.

01:48:41.235 --> 01:48:42.815
Consider all these things.

01:48:43.225 --> 01:48:44.495
I think they're all interesting.

01:48:44.695 --> 01:48:48.015
You know, I gave an analogy early
on in one of my videos talking

01:48:48.015 --> 01:48:49.825
about like how I see the phenomenon.

01:48:50.035 --> 01:48:52.825
And for me, it's like about
letting people into my house.

01:48:53.815 --> 01:48:56.914
So like, I know remote viewing,
I've gotten to know remote viewing.

01:48:56.914 --> 01:48:58.654
I spent a year, you know, doing it.

01:48:58.654 --> 01:49:01.745
And I've spoken to people, credible
people, and I've done it myself.

01:49:01.745 --> 01:49:05.065
So remote viewing, you can come
in, you can come into my house.

01:49:05.135 --> 01:49:06.085
You know, I know you.

01:49:07.065 --> 01:49:08.535
Astral projection or out of body.

01:49:08.535 --> 01:49:10.285
I also gotten to know
you, you can come in.

01:49:10.340 --> 01:49:14.560
Um, you know, for me, Bigfoot
still got to stay in the yard.

01:49:14.590 --> 01:49:18.480
I'm not, I'm not saying
I don't believe you.

01:49:18.480 --> 01:49:19.880
I just don't know you like that.

01:49:20.409 --> 01:49:21.650
My friends vouch for you.

01:49:21.650 --> 01:49:22.710
They say you're a good guy.

01:49:22.720 --> 01:49:23.640
They say you're real.

01:49:24.199 --> 01:49:27.580
I just don't have that
relationship with you yet.

01:49:27.909 --> 01:49:29.350
So you're, you can't come in.

01:49:30.299 --> 01:49:33.080
That's just how I, but,
but I'll definitely like,

01:49:33.695 --> 01:49:34.725
You're allowed in the yard.

01:49:34.725 --> 01:49:36.555
You can be on the front porch,
you know, and that's kind of

01:49:36.565 --> 01:49:37.745
how I treat a lot of these.

01:49:38.245 --> 01:49:39.075
I like that analogy.

01:49:39.255 --> 01:49:43.965
Yeah, it's kind of how I treat a lot
of these situations, uh, in the realm

01:49:43.965 --> 01:49:47.445
of consciousness, Psy or NHI or UAP.

01:49:48.235 --> 01:49:51.624
Unless I get to really know
you, you can't come in.

01:49:52.125 --> 01:49:52.535
Hmm.

01:49:52.654 --> 01:49:54.885
Um, but you'll, you'll be in the yard.

01:49:55.195 --> 01:49:56.125
I'm aware of you.

01:49:56.155 --> 01:49:57.075
I'll hear you out.

01:49:58.185 --> 01:50:00.505
But yeah, that's about as
far as I'm willing to go.

01:50:01.175 --> 01:50:01.475
Travis Bader: Hmm.

01:50:02.315 --> 01:50:07.575
Um, yeah, I think there's some,
some cool analogies on that.

01:50:07.615 --> 01:50:13.365
Uh, I remember a fellow saying, uh,
you know, we had two forms of life.

01:50:13.405 --> 01:50:16.384
We had plant life, we
got animal life, right.

01:50:16.385 --> 01:50:19.044
And then they got the microscope and
they said, okay, hold on, hold on.

01:50:19.104 --> 01:50:20.505
There's another form of life out here.

01:50:20.875 --> 01:50:24.395
And they're saying, well, perhaps
what we're looking at now is just

01:50:24.415 --> 01:50:25.715
needs a different way to look at it.

01:50:25.855 --> 01:50:28.205
And I think quantum entanglement
was one of the things that came

01:50:28.225 --> 01:50:29.665
up and they're talking about.

01:50:30.670 --> 01:50:35.330
How, um, we're learning things
about quantum entanglement.

01:50:35.330 --> 01:50:38.770
One spins one way at a lot and you change
direction, it'll change the other one.

01:50:38.770 --> 01:50:43.129
And so, well, maybe we're just, maybe
we're just looking at the same thing.

01:50:43.130 --> 01:50:44.750
It's like a, uh, what was it?

01:50:44.750 --> 01:50:48.230
A, uh, a goldfish looking out and
you put two monitors on either

01:50:48.230 --> 01:50:53.410
side of its, uh, um, goldfish
tank and a video camera on it.

01:50:53.430 --> 01:50:57.360
And it'll see itself moving
and doing two different things.

01:50:57.695 --> 01:51:00.395
Two completely different views,
but it's, it's all the same thing.

01:51:00.395 --> 01:51:03.315
So I thought that was kind of
an interesting, uh, analogy.

01:51:03.345 --> 01:51:03.655
Chris Ramsay: Yeah.

01:51:03.655 --> 01:51:08.434
You have to leave room for, uh, you
know, that, that new perspective.

01:51:08.885 --> 01:51:12.495
Uh, but at the same time, you know, I
don't want to, I don't want to make it

01:51:12.495 --> 01:51:14.884
a, cause that's, that's the thing with
these things, it can be a floodgate.

01:51:15.380 --> 01:51:18.440
You let one person in your house
and all of a sudden it's an open

01:51:18.440 --> 01:51:21.940
house party and there's, you know,
reptilians digging through the fridge.

01:51:22.310 --> 01:51:26.980
So you got to watch out where you draw
that line and really, you know, get to

01:51:26.980 --> 01:51:29.690
know something before you commit entirely.

01:51:30.640 --> 01:51:35.640
That's been the main focus of like my
current journey is like to really get

01:51:35.640 --> 01:51:40.580
to know it myself, uh, you know, before
I come to any type of conclusion and

01:51:40.600 --> 01:51:45.529
that conclusion, I hope bears no weight
on anyone else's personal journey.

01:51:45.845 --> 01:51:47.695
I just want to document my journey.

01:51:49.055 --> 01:51:51.145
Travis Bader: So we had questions
about ontological shock, but I

01:51:51.155 --> 01:51:52.685
think you've, you've covered those.

01:51:52.925 --> 01:51:58.945
Um, one interesting one, um, fellow
I've been talking with, he was

01:51:58.945 --> 01:52:02.664
introduced to me through a friend of
mine and he is an ardent believer,

01:52:02.664 --> 01:52:07.285
but he's also not a believer in the
current, uh, disclosure program.

01:52:07.545 --> 01:52:11.245
He talks about, uh, Bigelow
Enterprises and Bass and monetary.

01:52:11.445 --> 01:52:11.725
Yeah.

01:52:12.360 --> 01:52:13.380
Uh, all of this stuff.

01:52:13.420 --> 01:52:22.040
And he says he was, um, involved with Lou
Alessandro and, um, uh, ready to do some,

01:52:22.140 --> 01:52:28.860
uh, work on that side until he reached a
point where he felt that he was basically

01:52:28.949 --> 01:52:31.959
the, uh, useful idiot is what he said.

01:52:31.970 --> 01:52:33.990
He says, I was a staunch believer.

01:52:33.990 --> 01:52:35.700
I really wanted to do something here.

01:52:36.020 --> 01:52:43.690
Uh, but I felt I was being portrayed
or used to achieve a means that wasn't.

01:52:45.875 --> 01:52:47.785
What was being sold to the general public

01:52:47.785 --> 01:52:49.685
Chris Ramsay: in the
program he was involved in.

01:52:50.285 --> 01:52:53.365
Travis Bader: He was involved
in, uh, well, I don't know.

01:52:53.365 --> 01:52:56.885
I guess I'll talk to him further to see,
I don't think he was in the program.

01:52:56.895 --> 01:52:58.185
He was involved in, um,

01:52:58.555 --> 01:53:01.005
Chris Ramsay: but he saw
himself as a useful idiot in the

01:53:01.605 --> 01:53:03.134
program that he was involved in.

01:53:03.600 --> 01:53:04.140
Travis Bader: Yes.

01:53:04.280 --> 01:53:10.510
Uh, and I guess that goes to my
question to you would be, are

01:53:10.510 --> 01:53:14.830
you approaching these things with
an eye towards, am I being used?

01:53:15.130 --> 01:53:22.459
Am I, are people trying to use my platform
to disseminate a message that, uh, um, it

01:53:22.460 --> 01:53:23.929
would just be self fulfilling for them.

01:53:30.540 --> 01:53:30.620
Chris Ramsay: It's a

01:53:30.620 --> 01:53:31.550
Travis Bader: good question, man.

01:53:31.550 --> 01:53:31.990
I don't know.

01:53:34.620 --> 01:53:37.540
It never crossed my mind
till this guy brought it up.

01:53:38.130 --> 01:53:38.500
Chris Ramsay: Yeah.

01:53:38.500 --> 01:53:40.400
That's a big responsibility, you know, it

01:53:40.400 --> 01:53:41.110
Travis Bader: is.

01:53:41.150 --> 01:53:41.630
Chris Ramsay: Yeah.

01:53:43.430 --> 01:53:44.569
How would you answer that?

01:53:46.580 --> 01:53:52.225
Travis Bader: Well, if I was in
your shoes, um, and, uh, Had your

01:53:52.225 --> 01:53:54.065
following and your background.

01:53:55.965 --> 01:53:59.255
I think you're approaching it
in a way that's a very fair.

01:53:59.285 --> 01:54:03.834
You you're coming up with your
ideas and your, um, uh, based on

01:54:03.835 --> 01:54:07.174
things that you see, hear, touch,
feel, believe, and you're not

01:54:07.175 --> 01:54:08.714
trying to sell anything to anybody.

01:54:09.135 --> 01:54:14.335
Um, that doesn't mean you can't be used
and that doesn't mean your plat platform

01:54:14.335 --> 01:54:18.615
can't be, uh, but to shut yourself
off completely, to completely protect

01:54:18.615 --> 01:54:19.985
yourself would be to shut that door.

01:54:19.985 --> 01:54:21.445
And I don't think that's a viable option.

01:54:21.795 --> 01:54:24.705
So that, that would be, that
would be my perspective.

01:54:25.495 --> 01:54:26.515
Chris Ramsay: Yeah, I agree with that.

01:54:27.425 --> 01:54:28.135
I'll go with that.

01:54:29.565 --> 01:54:30.075
Okay.

01:54:30.385 --> 01:54:30.665
Yeah.

01:54:31.375 --> 01:54:37.515
I mean, I mean, it's just, um, you know,
people's people's own perspective is

01:54:37.515 --> 01:54:46.865
just such a tough thing to navigate in
a society that thrives off of semantics.

01:54:46.865 --> 01:54:48.049
Travis Bader: And,

01:54:48.049 --> 01:54:53.014
Chris Ramsay: um, it is, it is
tough being put in a position where

01:54:53.014 --> 01:54:58.034
you have, whether you like it or
not, uh, a modicum of influence.

01:54:59.050 --> 01:55:03.940
You know, especially when it comes to
things so deep to people's belief that

01:55:03.940 --> 01:55:08.410
are, that are literally tied to people's
reason for being here, you know, you got

01:55:08.410 --> 01:55:12.479
to be very careful with all that stuff
and make it, I think, very clear to

01:55:12.479 --> 01:55:17.639
people that, you know, for me, this is
my journey, that's it, that's all it is,

01:55:17.640 --> 01:55:24.999
that's, it's nothing more, and it is a
literal, uh, selfish, creative expression.

01:55:26.040 --> 01:55:30.300
that I have, um, that,
that, that, that's it.

01:55:30.580 --> 01:55:31.210
That's all there is.

01:55:31.210 --> 01:55:33.510
It's entertainment for me.

01:55:34.020 --> 01:55:39.140
Um, you know, I'm not, I'm not here
to say, Oh, like, of course I want

01:55:39.140 --> 01:55:40.629
answers, but again, they're for me.

01:55:40.960 --> 01:55:44.529
And, um, that being said, I don't think.

01:55:45.115 --> 01:55:53.415
I think it's wise not to exclude
entertainment as a viable mean, means

01:55:53.445 --> 01:55:55.945
of, uh, being insightful or enlightening.

01:55:56.394 --> 01:55:56.855
Mm hmm.

01:55:56.875 --> 01:56:02.185
Uh, you know, we have great people
like George Carlin, you know, who've

01:56:02.205 --> 01:56:06.974
taught me, uh, the, um, importance
of Question the government.

01:56:06.975 --> 01:56:06.995
Yeah.

01:56:06.995 --> 01:56:07.835
We'll question Yeah.

01:56:08.140 --> 01:56:10.780
Well, I mean, George Orwell
made me question the government.

01:56:10.850 --> 01:56:11.200
Yeah.

01:56:11.260 --> 01:56:14.440
George Carlin made me, uh,
question societal norms.

01:56:14.560 --> 01:56:14.940
Yeah.

01:56:14.980 --> 01:56:15.180
Yeah.

01:56:15.180 --> 01:56:15.640
Good point.

01:56:15.740 --> 01:56:20.389
Um, and then, you know, George, the three
Georges and George Lucas made me, you

01:56:20.390 --> 01:56:24.170
know, uh, think of other intelligent life
in the universe and wonder about that.

01:56:24.619 --> 01:56:27.110
And those are all three
different forms of entertainment.

01:56:27.620 --> 01:56:31.780
And I think entertainment
brings an immense value to, uh,

01:56:31.830 --> 01:56:34.360
people in times of uncertainty.

01:56:35.000 --> 01:56:39.210
It allows us to broaden our
perspectives through imagination.

01:56:39.960 --> 01:56:44.300
Uh, it might not get you to change your
mind on something, but it can plant

01:56:44.300 --> 01:56:49.929
a seed that might end up, you know,
growing into something wonderful, you

01:56:49.929 --> 01:56:53.020
know, within your, within your own
life and, and your own perspectives.

01:56:53.540 --> 01:56:59.130
And so that's all I want my content and
my message to be is it's entertainment.

01:56:59.430 --> 01:57:05.320
It's for my own selfish gain of, of, you
know, personal, uh, creative expression.

01:57:05.390 --> 01:57:08.210
Um, uh, if it pays the
bills, it pays the bills.

01:57:08.900 --> 01:57:14.490
Um, but yeah, by no means do I
take responsibility, uh, or want

01:57:14.510 --> 01:57:20.620
responsibility for, you know, actively
changing someone's current paradigm.

01:57:21.300 --> 01:57:21.860
Um,

01:57:21.890 --> 01:57:22.140
Travis Bader: yeah.

01:57:22.720 --> 01:57:23.769
Very well said, Chris.

01:57:23.889 --> 01:57:27.570
Um, is there anything that
we haven't talked about that

01:57:27.570 --> 01:57:28.580
we should be talking about?

01:57:30.525 --> 01:57:30.655
Chris Ramsay: Hmm.

01:57:31.205 --> 01:57:32.225
Good question.

01:57:32.925 --> 01:57:34.065
Uh, we covered quite a bit.

01:57:34.335 --> 01:57:37.165
I, I would give another
shout out to telepathy tapes.

01:57:37.165 --> 01:57:39.494
I think it's a very interesting,
I'm, I'm halfway through it.

01:57:40.105 --> 01:57:41.315
Um, but it's very interesting.

01:57:41.315 --> 01:57:43.345
I think your, your viewers
will get a kick out of it too.

01:57:43.355 --> 01:57:45.175
It's a cool podcast that
you should listen to it.

01:57:45.215 --> 01:57:47.485
And maybe something we can talk about
in the future, but it's something

01:57:47.485 --> 01:57:49.555
I'm heavily interested in right now.

01:57:50.244 --> 01:57:55.495
And, um, yeah, it's, uh, it's,
it's, I think going to be.

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Um, brought up quite
a bit as time goes on.

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So look out for that.

01:58:01.510 --> 01:58:01.850
Travis Bader: Okay.

01:58:01.920 --> 01:58:06.649
I, uh, I will commit to, uh, exploring
that and, uh, listening to it.

01:58:06.819 --> 01:58:07.079
Awesome.

01:58:07.080 --> 01:58:08.160
That's, uh, I'll do that.

01:58:08.510 --> 01:58:09.410
Chris Ramsay: Don't chat GPT.

01:58:09.999 --> 01:58:12.169
Travis Bader: Uh, you
figured me out already.

01:58:13.680 --> 01:58:16.329
Chris, thank you so much for
being on the Silvercore podcast.

01:58:16.330 --> 01:58:17.760
I really enjoyed this conversation.

01:58:17.810 --> 01:58:17.980
Chris Ramsay: Dude.

01:58:18.265 --> 01:58:21.475
Thank you so much for having
me, for being so open, so

01:58:21.475 --> 01:58:24.375
welcoming, allowing me to rant.

01:58:24.415 --> 01:58:28.475
Uh, you've been such a grace, uh,
gracious host, great questions.

01:58:28.905 --> 01:58:33.475
Um, I can, I can tell you sincerely
care about your guests, your audience.

01:58:33.504 --> 01:58:37.235
And so, you know, that resonates
with me on a very deep level.

01:58:37.235 --> 01:58:38.495
So I appreciate you.

01:58:38.745 --> 01:58:43.715
I appreciate what you're doing and I
am thankful for being on your podcast

01:58:43.715 --> 01:58:46.515
and thank you to your audience for,
uh, for giving me a voice as well.

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