WEBVTT Kind: captions Language: en-GB 00:00:08.350 --> 00:00:12.540 Travis Bader: I'm Travis Bader, and this is the Silvercore podcast. 00:00:13.380 --> 00:00:17.930 Silvercore has been providing its members with the skills and knowledge 00:00:17.950 --> 00:00:22.620 necessary to be confident and proficient in the outdoors for over 20 years. 00:00:22.710 --> 00:00:26.790 And we make it easier for people to deepen their connection to the natural world. 00:00:27.730 --> 00:00:30.500 If you enjoy the positive and educational content. 00:00:30.710 --> 00:00:35.530 We provide, please let others know by sharing, commenting, and 00:00:35.530 --> 00:00:39.630 following so that you can join in on everything that Silvercore stands for. 00:00:40.710 --> 00:00:43.340 If you'd like to learn more about becoming a member of the 00:00:43.340 --> 00:00:47.929 Silvercore club and community, visit our website at silvercore. 00:00:47.940 --> 00:00:48.370 ca. 00:00:52.250 --> 00:00:54.810 Today's guest spent time in his youth, working in rodeo. 00:00:55.050 --> 00:00:58.480 As well as hunting and fishing, he's a celebrated author with books on 00:00:58.490 --> 00:01:03.400 leadership and marksmanship, a decorated warrior serving 21 years in the U. 00:01:03.400 --> 00:01:03.559 S. 00:01:03.559 --> 00:01:07.129 Army with over 15 years in the elite special forces operations 00:01:07.149 --> 00:01:08.509 detachment, Delta Force. 00:01:09.110 --> 00:01:13.889 With tours in Bosnia, Desert Storm, Somalia, and five tours in Iraq, he was 00:01:13.890 --> 00:01:17.270 there at the Battle of Mogadishu made famous by the movie Black Hawk Down. 00:01:17.600 --> 00:01:20.649 He's an entrepreneur and founder of Viking Tactics, which provides 00:01:20.660 --> 00:01:22.249 training, gear, and accessories. 00:01:22.715 --> 00:01:26.085 And he's a custom knife maker, which he uses to help raise funds for the 00:01:26.085 --> 00:01:28.315 nonprofit stay in the fight foundation. 00:01:28.915 --> 00:01:33.315 Welcome to the silver core podcast, retired sergeant major Kyle Lamb. 00:01:34.925 --> 00:01:37.264 Kyle Lamb: Man, I think we're done right there. 00:01:37.264 --> 00:01:38.155 You said it all. 00:01:38.165 --> 00:01:40.975 That is the best intro I think I've ever had. 00:01:41.325 --> 00:01:42.085 Oh, my God, 00:01:42.835 --> 00:01:46.335 Travis Bader: you did not make my job easy because I am only scratching 00:01:46.335 --> 00:01:50.405 the surface of the information that's publicly available out there. 00:01:50.674 --> 00:01:54.925 So I know there's a heck of a lot more to Kyle Lamb than what I put in there. 00:01:55.174 --> 00:01:56.984 That was, uh, that was not easy. 00:01:57.395 --> 00:01:59.585 Have you always had this eclectic background or is that 00:01:59.585 --> 00:02:01.015 something you kind of grew into? 00:02:02.915 --> 00:02:04.285 Kyle Lamb: I've always been a weirdo. 00:02:04.285 --> 00:02:08.515 So it, you know, I was the guy that was at school. 00:02:08.515 --> 00:02:11.175 I always had a 22 or a shotgun in my car. 00:02:11.624 --> 00:02:12.204 Mm hmm. 00:02:12.525 --> 00:02:13.555 And I drove a car. 00:02:13.555 --> 00:02:14.424 I didn't have a truck. 00:02:14.424 --> 00:02:21.955 I had a 73 Buick Centurion and I would, yeah, I would go out and hunt or fish 00:02:21.955 --> 00:02:24.014 or whatever before or after school. 00:02:24.015 --> 00:02:26.585 And then I rodeoed and then I played sports. 00:02:26.585 --> 00:02:30.635 So I played football and ran track, um, played baseball 00:02:31.025 --> 00:02:33.685 and student council president. 00:02:33.715 --> 00:02:36.365 And I, I won the spelling bee one year. 00:02:36.365 --> 00:02:39.115 I trained for several years so I could beat Carrie 00:02:39.115 --> 00:02:40.385 Kandigator in the spelling bee. 00:02:40.385 --> 00:02:43.394 It's just like, I don't have a very good attention span. 00:02:43.784 --> 00:02:48.304 And, uh, because of that, I just, I do a lot of different things and, and that, 00:02:48.325 --> 00:02:51.144 you know, that's something we were talking about before we got going, you know, the 00:02:51.154 --> 00:02:54.684 ADHD deal, you said you were diagnosed. 00:02:54.734 --> 00:02:59.464 I was not diagnosed, but I'm practicing, I think, because I do 00:02:59.464 --> 00:03:05.595 have a little bit of a difficulty focusing on one thing for an, uh, an. 00:03:06.445 --> 00:03:08.025 A super long amount of time. 00:03:08.025 --> 00:03:11.445 So like, if I'm going to write a book, if I set a goal that I'm going to write 00:03:11.445 --> 00:03:15.985 a book, I don't really have an issue with that because I'm going to write the book. 00:03:16.365 --> 00:03:21.524 Now I may take a couple of little, uh, beaver runs from, 00:03:21.524 --> 00:03:23.424 uh, on the way to get into that. 00:03:24.155 --> 00:03:27.905 That actual successful product in the end, or maybe not successful, 00:03:27.905 --> 00:03:29.855 but completed project in the end. 00:03:30.225 --> 00:03:34.715 But, uh, I guess, you know, what I, what I say to that is if you have 00:03:35.175 --> 00:03:42.175 kids that are like us, don't punish them, you know, work, work for their. 00:03:42.875 --> 00:03:46.045 And I, and my, like my grandson, he, you know, he's never been diagnosed 00:03:46.045 --> 00:03:48.875 with it either, but he's a busy dude. 00:03:48.895 --> 00:03:50.875 Like he's always got stuff going on. 00:03:51.134 --> 00:03:52.125 So what do we do? 00:03:52.174 --> 00:03:53.435 We take him for a walk. 00:03:53.455 --> 00:03:54.735 We take him out in the woods. 00:03:54.735 --> 00:03:55.855 He's been shooting this year. 00:03:55.855 --> 00:03:56.855 He killed his first deer. 00:03:56.855 --> 00:03:57.734 He's nine years old. 00:03:57.735 --> 00:04:00.645 He killed his first year with an AR on our property. 00:04:00.984 --> 00:04:04.925 Um, we're down in the lower 48, so we can hunt with ARs down here. 00:04:05.285 --> 00:04:08.955 And he, uh, he was just, you know, he's super stoked. 00:04:08.955 --> 00:04:12.145 He's been shooting for years and years getting ready to go on that hunt. 00:04:12.575 --> 00:04:16.084 And I guess the moral of that story is if we just, if we didn't get him 00:04:16.084 --> 00:04:20.537 outside and keep him busy, he gets in trouble because he's going to 00:04:20.537 --> 00:04:22.395 get, he's, yeah, he's going to do. 00:04:22.405 --> 00:04:23.324 And I'm the same way. 00:04:23.325 --> 00:04:25.945 And I imagine you've been in trouble a bit in your life too. 00:04:27.510 --> 00:04:29.770 Travis Bader: I got kicked out of a few different schools and for 00:04:29.780 --> 00:04:34.099 discipline and like really not even discipline type problems. 00:04:34.140 --> 00:04:37.969 It was my interest exceeded what the school's capabilities were. 00:04:38.130 --> 00:04:40.599 So I like chemistry and chemistry meant disappearing or 00:04:40.599 --> 00:04:42.159 invisible ink and explosives. 00:04:42.495 --> 00:04:44.195 Well, schools didn't really like that. 00:04:44.195 --> 00:04:44.445 Right. 00:04:44.445 --> 00:04:48.065 And I liked, I learned how to pick locks in grade four, cause I like puzzles. 00:04:48.065 --> 00:04:48.325 Right. 00:04:48.325 --> 00:04:50.045 And well, that doesn't really fit. 00:04:50.365 --> 00:04:53.935 So, uh, yeah, I, I agree with you and the medication thing. 00:04:53.974 --> 00:04:57.764 So when I was in grade three, about halfway through grade three, my 00:04:57.764 --> 00:05:01.750 family's like, well, We're done, you're going, we've got these pamphlets. 00:05:01.750 --> 00:05:05.600 There's a, uh, a boarding school that can take kids free of charge. 00:05:05.610 --> 00:05:08.160 I think it was a military porting school. 00:05:08.490 --> 00:05:09.110 See ya. 00:05:09.499 --> 00:05:09.879 Right. 00:05:10.110 --> 00:05:13.230 And I've looked at that and at grade three, I'm like, 00:05:13.230 --> 00:05:14.210 no, I don't want to do that. 00:05:14.210 --> 00:05:15.149 That sounds scary. 00:05:15.539 --> 00:05:19.670 In hindsight, it probably would have been one of the best things I could have ever 00:05:19.820 --> 00:05:21.920 done because it's a different structure. 00:05:22.284 --> 00:05:25.474 But they ended up taking me to a doctor, got diagnosed, and he 00:05:25.474 --> 00:05:29.685 actually put me on the highest dosage of Ritalin on an experimental run. 00:05:30.400 --> 00:05:33.240 In the province, we can only prescribe so much. 00:05:33.280 --> 00:05:37.110 And I have to take eight pills in the morning and another five in the afternoon. 00:05:37.110 --> 00:05:42.079 And, uh, up until grade seven, integrate seven, I'm like, I'm not 00:05:42.080 --> 00:05:45.960 going to go into high school with these took myself off cold to Turkey. 00:05:45.989 --> 00:05:48.380 So I agree with you, don't medicate them. 00:05:48.610 --> 00:05:50.369 There are ways that we can deal with them. 00:05:50.470 --> 00:05:52.020 Getting outside for me 00:05:52.230 --> 00:05:53.290 Kyle Lamb: was massive. 00:05:55.150 --> 00:05:55.380 Yeah. 00:05:55.380 --> 00:05:57.940 And you know, and the other thing too is, so speaking of being 00:05:57.940 --> 00:06:00.240 outdoors, eat what's outdoors. 00:06:01.164 --> 00:06:02.424 What do we have outdoors? 00:06:02.465 --> 00:06:08.295 We have fruits and vegetables, and we have meat, and I don't care if it's 00:06:08.295 --> 00:06:14.105 fish, or beef, or moose, or elk, or whitetail deer, or turkey, I don't care 00:06:14.115 --> 00:06:19.274 if it's what color of vegetable you eat, but eat it, and I think if we do 00:06:19.275 --> 00:06:23.545 that, like my grandson one day, we, one of our little special times, I've got 00:06:23.545 --> 00:06:29.334 a grandson and a granddaughter, and we, one of our special things together is we 00:06:29.334 --> 00:06:33.345 like to eat popsicles, And we'll go grab a popsicle in the summer and we'll sit 00:06:33.345 --> 00:06:34.985 out on the porch and eat this popsicle. 00:06:34.985 --> 00:06:38.025 So they get to go and choose the popsicle they want out of the freezer. 00:06:38.025 --> 00:06:40.224 And we head out there and grandpa has a popsicle with him. 00:06:40.224 --> 00:06:43.044 And it's just, it's just like a special time, you know? 00:06:43.705 --> 00:06:47.125 And, and really any time with your grandkids is a special 00:06:47.125 --> 00:06:48.525 time, but that's especially. 00:06:49.530 --> 00:06:55.200 So one day I was grabbing popsicles and I really hadn't thought about it. 00:06:55.300 --> 00:06:59.140 And I grabbed a red one and like a pineapple one or something. 00:06:59.140 --> 00:07:01.359 And I, I, I'm like, which one do you want? 00:07:01.359 --> 00:07:06.599 And my grandson looks at me and goes, grandpa, I can't eat red. 00:07:06.690 --> 00:07:08.839 Cause it makes me crazy. 00:07:09.950 --> 00:07:14.230 And it's true that the red something to do with the red dye would make him like. 00:07:14.805 --> 00:07:18.475 Insane for just you know for an hour, but he'd get in trouble because 00:07:18.475 --> 00:07:19.635 of it Well, that was our fault. 00:07:19.645 --> 00:07:20.425 That's not his fault. 00:07:20.685 --> 00:07:24.294 Don't feed him a stupid red popsicle Give him one that's white or green 00:07:24.295 --> 00:07:25.844 or purple or any other color. 00:07:25.844 --> 00:07:31.215 He was fine So I think you know keeping those kids exercised to work off a 00:07:31.215 --> 00:07:35.534 lot of that that excessive Energy they have I know for me It's that way my 00:07:35.534 --> 00:07:40.545 wife every morning makes me go work out because she knows that if I don't work 00:07:40.545 --> 00:07:43.180 out I'm going to be a complete Dirt bag. 00:07:43.580 --> 00:07:47.890 So make me go for three to five mile walk, you know, whatever it is that we're 00:07:47.890 --> 00:07:49.330 going to do, but get out and get moving. 00:07:49.330 --> 00:07:51.740 And then of course, you know, if you get outside, you're going to feel 00:07:51.740 --> 00:07:54.230 better in the first place there. 00:07:54.460 --> 00:07:59.460 Um, I was going to tell you a couple of stories about growing up. 00:07:59.490 --> 00:08:03.930 Um, one of them happened when my mom died. 00:08:03.930 --> 00:08:05.520 So this was not that many years ago. 00:08:05.520 --> 00:08:07.830 She was like 93 or something when she passed away. 00:08:08.780 --> 00:08:10.980 So go to my mom's funeral. 00:08:11.239 --> 00:08:13.430 Now you got to put this all in perspective. 00:08:13.430 --> 00:08:14.470 I'm in South Dakota. 00:08:15.215 --> 00:08:16.424 At my mom's funeral. 00:08:17.544 --> 00:08:23.955 That's a significant emotional event for a dude to have their mom 00:08:23.955 --> 00:08:26.744 die Whether I mean, I don't care what you think about your mom. 00:08:26.744 --> 00:08:29.414 You only have one mom That's your mom. 00:08:30.135 --> 00:08:31.885 And my mom was a character. 00:08:31.895 --> 00:08:36.824 She was, uh, she was a character born in like 1925. 00:08:37.115 --> 00:08:38.824 My dad was born in 1911. 00:08:39.085 --> 00:08:40.625 You know, she went through the dirty 30s. 00:08:40.745 --> 00:08:45.635 She, she could, she was, I don't know how you would call it, thrifty. 00:08:46.224 --> 00:08:48.275 Some people would call her tight or whatever. 00:08:48.275 --> 00:08:50.724 But she could, you know, she was, that's how she was. 00:08:50.805 --> 00:08:52.395 So I go to the funeral. 00:08:53.285 --> 00:08:57.275 And after the funeral, my, my niece is there and my niece is a year older 00:08:57.275 --> 00:08:59.335 than me and she's a school teacher. 00:08:59.335 --> 00:09:02.834 And she's standing over there with this other lady and as soon as I see her and 00:09:02.834 --> 00:09:06.854 I, I, this isn't serious, but you know, when I saw her, my trigger fingers started 00:09:06.855 --> 00:09:11.144 to twitch and uh, I'm like, Oh yeah. 00:09:11.774 --> 00:09:14.064 So this lady walks up and she goes. 00:09:14.935 --> 00:09:16.244 And this lady's just grumpy. 00:09:16.244 --> 00:09:17.655 She goes, do you remember me? 00:09:18.574 --> 00:09:20.465 And I go, yes, ma'am. 00:09:20.465 --> 00:09:21.454 I do remember you. 00:09:21.775 --> 00:09:23.505 She's like, oh, you do remember me. 00:09:23.975 --> 00:09:28.515 And I'm like, yeah, and I'm thinking my son needs to meet this lady. 00:09:28.515 --> 00:09:31.135 This is one of my school teachers and I want him to meet. 00:09:31.864 --> 00:09:34.464 This lady's like an evil beast woman, you know. 00:09:35.074 --> 00:09:37.335 So I said, hey Lucas, come over here. 00:09:37.335 --> 00:09:39.175 I want you to meet one of my old school teachers. 00:09:39.175 --> 00:09:39.714 I go, Mrs. 00:09:39.714 --> 00:09:40.085 Waldo. 00:09:40.085 --> 00:09:41.014 This is my son. 00:09:41.444 --> 00:09:45.324 Lucas, and she's like, did your dad ever tell you what he did to me? 00:09:47.115 --> 00:09:49.535 And he's like, no. 00:09:50.224 --> 00:09:53.045 And he goes, well, you know what he said to me one day? 00:09:53.194 --> 00:09:56.334 He got in trouble, and he called me a bitch. 00:09:57.795 --> 00:10:01.645 And I was like, alright, well I'm at my mom's funeral. 00:10:02.030 --> 00:10:05.970 I appreciate you, uh, telling this great story here, but I don't 00:10:05.980 --> 00:10:07.430 need to hang around any longer. 00:10:07.430 --> 00:10:09.300 So I was like, Oh yeah, good seeing you. 00:10:09.300 --> 00:10:10.200 And I walked away. 00:10:10.960 --> 00:10:14.060 So later on, we get in the car to leave and my son, he's grown. 00:10:14.070 --> 00:10:15.050 He's not a little kid. 00:10:15.250 --> 00:10:17.480 He, uh, got in the car. 00:10:17.499 --> 00:10:18.949 My wife didn't know this had happened. 00:10:18.949 --> 00:10:20.199 I said, Lucas, sorry about that. 00:10:20.209 --> 00:10:20.959 That was kind of weird. 00:10:20.959 --> 00:10:21.329 He goes. 00:10:21.700 --> 00:10:25.089 Dad, I only met her for like two minutes and I think you nailed it. 00:10:26.010 --> 00:10:30.089 And it's like, this lady has been living, I've been living in her head. 00:10:30.089 --> 00:10:35.319 Like I've been sitting on a lawn chair, smoking a stogie in her head for 30 years. 00:10:35.939 --> 00:10:39.120 And I was like, you, you gotta be kidding me. 00:10:39.120 --> 00:10:44.180 Like I had a great influence on this lady, obviously from, from. 00:10:45.210 --> 00:10:48.010 From from that many years ago, and then one other quick story. 00:10:48.010 --> 00:10:50.620 I got a call from my old English teacher I didn't get a call, but I 00:10:50.620 --> 00:10:56.240 got a an email through our website It said I had a guy that went in 00:10:56.240 --> 00:11:01.900 my he was in my English classes and speech classes And he acts a lot like 00:11:01.900 --> 00:11:04.059 you do and his name was Kyle lamb. 00:11:04.790 --> 00:11:06.200 Hmm, and I was like, mr. 00:11:06.200 --> 00:11:08.400 Kinder Yeah, this guy was a great teacher. 00:11:08.410 --> 00:11:12.180 He was an awesome teacher He would we had a kid in our class that really 00:11:12.180 --> 00:11:16.500 didn't talk to anybody that we had a I had a very large class for South Dakota. 00:11:16.500 --> 00:11:18.729 There was 20 kids in my graduating class. 00:11:19.169 --> 00:11:22.069 My wife was from a school about 50 miles away in Castlewood, 00:11:22.069 --> 00:11:23.550 South Dakota, and she had 12. 00:11:24.120 --> 00:11:28.929 But uh, this kid, he was a nice kid, but he rode a motorcycle. 00:11:28.930 --> 00:11:31.900 He wasn't particularly well kept. 00:11:32.339 --> 00:11:34.749 And the teacher, Mr. 00:11:34.749 --> 00:11:37.819 Kinder says, uh, what are you going to talk about? 00:11:37.819 --> 00:11:38.510 And he goes, I don't know. 00:11:38.510 --> 00:11:39.540 I don't have a subject. 00:11:39.540 --> 00:11:40.550 I don't know what to talk about. 00:11:40.550 --> 00:11:42.579 And he goes, well, what do you really like to do? 00:11:43.189 --> 00:11:44.839 Well, I like to ride my motorcycle. 00:11:44.839 --> 00:11:45.749 And he had his dirt bike. 00:11:45.749 --> 00:11:48.380 And he goes, I want to do a class on your motorcycle. 00:11:48.390 --> 00:11:49.770 And he goes, well, like, what do I do? 00:11:49.770 --> 00:11:52.410 And he goes, well, what do you, what do you maintenance do you on her motorcycle? 00:11:52.800 --> 00:11:54.350 Well, I, I changed the oil. 00:11:54.410 --> 00:11:54.750 Okay. 00:11:54.750 --> 00:11:55.370 Change the oil. 00:11:55.370 --> 00:11:56.750 Can you teach us how to change oil? 00:11:56.769 --> 00:12:00.310 And he goes, yeah, but how am I going to do that? 00:12:00.310 --> 00:12:05.619 And he goes, you're going to bring your motorcycle in the school, in 00:12:05.619 --> 00:12:09.050 the classroom, and you're going to teach us how to change the oil and 00:12:09.050 --> 00:12:11.870 this kid's like, Whoa, no kidding. 00:12:11.900 --> 00:12:12.640 There you go. 00:12:13.020 --> 00:12:16.500 There's a teacher that that teacher is a five star teacher because now he's 00:12:16.500 --> 00:12:18.690 taken a kid and he's taken his interests. 00:12:19.115 --> 00:12:23.775 And he's shown him that your interests are just as good as anybody else's interests. 00:12:23.835 --> 00:12:25.125 They don't have to be the same. 00:12:25.565 --> 00:12:28.195 You know, I'm going to give a speech on guns or I'm going to give a speech 00:12:28.195 --> 00:12:29.715 on fishing or hunting or whatever. 00:12:29.885 --> 00:12:33.385 He's going to give a speech on how to change the oil in a motorcycle. 00:12:33.395 --> 00:12:38.554 And I saw that kid like dynamically change right there in front of our eyes. 00:12:38.875 --> 00:12:39.575 And so Mr. 00:12:39.575 --> 00:12:40.635 Kinder, I said, Oh, Mr. 00:12:40.635 --> 00:12:42.575 Kinder, I, you know, I wrote a, I've wrote a couple of books. 00:12:42.575 --> 00:12:43.435 Can I send you one? 00:12:44.575 --> 00:12:44.905 Sure. 00:12:44.905 --> 00:12:45.505 That'd be great. 00:12:45.505 --> 00:12:46.505 So I sent him a book. 00:12:46.505 --> 00:12:48.654 And two months later, I hadn't heard from him. 00:12:48.655 --> 00:12:52.304 And I, I emailed him and I said, so you got the book. 00:12:52.375 --> 00:12:53.304 What do you think? 00:12:53.304 --> 00:12:55.745 And he goes, it's fine. 00:12:57.035 --> 00:12:59.164 And I'm like, he's still an English teacher. 00:12:59.415 --> 00:13:03.375 You know, he read it like an English teacher, I'm sure, but he's, he's one of 00:13:03.375 --> 00:13:04.935 those teachers that I really looked up to. 00:13:04.935 --> 00:13:08.194 And I think that inspired me as an instructor that I want to be. 00:13:08.530 --> 00:13:09.259 Like Mr. 00:13:09.259 --> 00:13:14.620 Kinder and, and be able to come across to people like that and focus on what their 00:13:14.630 --> 00:13:16.300 interests are and making them better. 00:13:16.610 --> 00:13:18.589 Cause as an instructor, it ain't about you. 00:13:18.599 --> 00:13:19.750 It's about your student. 00:13:19.799 --> 00:13:22.559 And if your student doesn't get any better at the end of the day, it's your fault. 00:13:22.560 --> 00:13:23.499 It's not their fault. 00:13:23.509 --> 00:13:24.859 A hundred percent, 00:13:25.039 --> 00:13:25.569 Travis Bader: a hundred percent. 00:13:25.619 --> 00:13:25.889 Yeah. 00:13:25.890 --> 00:13:31.019 We just wrapped up a, uh, of course we have a new batch of hunter education 00:13:31.019 --> 00:13:32.329 instructors coming through the province. 00:13:32.349 --> 00:13:33.320 So they asked if I could. 00:13:33.475 --> 00:13:37.035 Teach them basic method of instruction and classroom management, 00:13:37.035 --> 00:13:38.214 dealing with difficult students. 00:13:38.214 --> 00:13:41.135 And, you know, as I'm in there, I'm thinking about it. 00:13:41.905 --> 00:13:44.515 I almost failed grade seven. 00:13:44.785 --> 00:13:47.525 The teacher only passed me because I was such a pain in the ass that they 00:13:47.525 --> 00:13:48.965 didn't want to see me there again. 00:13:49.925 --> 00:13:52.125 I was, I think five different high schools. 00:13:52.155 --> 00:13:53.805 And she told me that straight up to my face. 00:13:53.814 --> 00:13:55.805 She's like, I think high school, do you good? 00:13:55.915 --> 00:13:56.985 I don't want to see you again. 00:13:56.995 --> 00:14:00.795 You should have failed, but you're going on, uh, five different high schools. 00:14:00.795 --> 00:14:03.175 I went to like, I'm not a school person. 00:14:03.430 --> 00:14:05.330 Why is it I'm teaching people how to teach? 00:14:05.340 --> 00:14:07.980 How did I end up in a profession where I'm running this? 00:14:07.980 --> 00:14:12.109 And maybe it's because you go through that school of hard knocks and you learn 00:14:12.109 --> 00:14:14.339 all the ways that don't work for you. 00:14:14.710 --> 00:14:14.960 I don't 00:14:14.960 --> 00:14:15.300 Kyle Lamb: know. 00:14:16.250 --> 00:14:19.499 Well, and, and, you know, and we had a very robust shop. 00:14:19.870 --> 00:14:22.010 Class type environment too. 00:14:22.010 --> 00:14:24.370 So, I mean, we had chemistry teacher. 00:14:24.370 --> 00:14:25.250 That was awesome. 00:14:25.420 --> 00:14:28.649 I wasn't a big chemistry guy, but he, you know, when I got to, I guess it's 00:14:28.650 --> 00:14:32.890 not chemistry, biology or whatever, cutting up frogs, I was like, Oh yeah. 00:14:32.890 --> 00:14:36.670 Well, you're not supposed to blow up stuff, but light and Bunsen burners 00:14:36.690 --> 00:14:38.270 and getting, we'd make stuff blow up. 00:14:38.610 --> 00:14:44.395 Um, And then we had our shop class where we learned to do 110, 220, we learned to, 00:14:44.755 --> 00:14:47.235 I already knew how to arc weld, I thought. 00:14:47.274 --> 00:14:51.594 And then I had this, this, uh, this guy, Kendall Thompson, who was my instructor, 00:14:51.595 --> 00:14:55.184 he passed away a couple of years ago, but he taught me how to MIG weld. 00:14:55.374 --> 00:14:57.025 I wish he would have taught me how to TIG weld. 00:14:57.044 --> 00:14:57.954 He never did. 00:14:58.165 --> 00:15:00.055 And I don't know, maybe we just didn't even have that. 00:15:00.055 --> 00:15:03.595 But now when I MIG weld, every time I MIG weld, I think of him 00:15:03.595 --> 00:15:05.065 because he's the guy that really. 00:15:05.220 --> 00:15:06.970 Showed me how to do that. 00:15:06.980 --> 00:15:10.310 And now I make knives, so I'm making Damascus and San Mai and I'm using 00:15:10.310 --> 00:15:12.810 my, my welder to do stuff like that. 00:15:13.100 --> 00:15:19.300 Um, yeah, I think that in America and I suppose in Canada, it's the same 00:15:19.300 --> 00:15:26.319 way, you know, in some areas they, they somewhat frown on Vo tech type 00:15:26.319 --> 00:15:33.550 schools, but where I grew up, that was like, that's, that was the place to go. 00:15:33.560 --> 00:15:35.790 Like you want to go learn, truly learn. 00:15:36.145 --> 00:15:38.385 A craft you went to votech. 00:15:38.385 --> 00:15:39.555 You didn't go to college. 00:15:39.945 --> 00:15:40.085 Now. 00:15:40.085 --> 00:15:42.935 There's a lot of kids that went to college and God bless them. 00:15:42.935 --> 00:15:44.985 They went to college and they're still paying for it. 00:15:44.985 --> 00:15:49.385 So good for them, but those other folks that went and became diesel mechanics 00:15:49.385 --> 00:15:54.564 or welders or plumbers or HVAC people or whatever, well, they've already 00:15:54.564 --> 00:15:56.545 retired because they went through that. 00:15:56.574 --> 00:16:00.824 They got, they made a lot of money if they were willing to work hard and. 00:16:02.060 --> 00:16:05.510 You know, that's, and I joined the army, which was, that's my vo tech school. 00:16:05.910 --> 00:16:09.260 Um, and I did that for 21 years when I got out. 00:16:09.260 --> 00:16:11.239 I mean, I get a paycheck every month because of that. 00:16:11.240 --> 00:16:12.209 At least I still do now. 00:16:12.209 --> 00:16:15.140 I don't know if they're going to take that away from us or not, but, uh, it's. 00:16:17.064 --> 00:16:20.855 I just think that the, the attitude, the, the, what's the guy's name? 00:16:20.895 --> 00:16:22.714 Um, Mike Rowe. 00:16:24.324 --> 00:16:24.574 Okay. 00:16:24.645 --> 00:16:25.844 Uh, the dirty jobs guy. 00:16:26.595 --> 00:16:26.874 Yeah. 00:16:26.874 --> 00:16:27.164 Yeah. 00:16:27.185 --> 00:16:31.625 He does a spectacular job of getting kids involved in going 00:16:32.005 --> 00:16:33.944 to, to learn something like that. 00:16:33.954 --> 00:16:35.464 And, and when I say Votech. 00:16:35.785 --> 00:16:41.015 You know, if you can go become a nurse's assistant or, uh, work as cleaning 00:16:41.015 --> 00:16:43.175 teeth or, or anything like that. 00:16:43.175 --> 00:16:46.625 I mean, there's so many great things that you can learn and when you're 00:16:46.625 --> 00:16:51.445 done, you have a job versus, you know, you go get your philosophy degree. 00:16:51.795 --> 00:16:55.045 And when you're done, you still have to work at Starbucks, or I guess up 00:16:55.045 --> 00:16:58.535 where you're at, you got to work at Tim Hortons or something like that, you know? 00:16:59.125 --> 00:16:59.515 Yeah. 00:16:59.564 --> 00:16:59.744 Yeah. 00:16:59.745 --> 00:17:00.255 We've got a couple of 00:17:00.445 --> 00:17:01.535 Travis Bader: Starbucks kicking around too. 00:17:02.395 --> 00:17:02.515 Yeah. 00:17:03.135 --> 00:17:03.635 Anyway. 00:17:03.645 --> 00:17:07.165 I had a buddy did a philosophy thing and goes to university and gets 00:17:07.454 --> 00:17:09.524 his master's and on and on it goes. 00:17:09.525 --> 00:17:11.145 I'm like, what the hell are you going to do with this? 00:17:11.145 --> 00:17:12.525 Well, he ended up working for government. 00:17:12.535 --> 00:17:13.964 So I guess there's always that, right. 00:17:14.265 --> 00:17:18.954 But, uh, uh, ethics and government, he started working. 00:17:18.954 --> 00:17:21.805 And I just thought that was an oxymoron, but. 00:17:22.255 --> 00:17:26.034 Good on him for, uh, for going in there and putting his two bits in. 00:17:27.234 --> 00:17:30.615 Kyle Lamb: Um, we, we talked before this, we said we were going to talk 00:17:30.625 --> 00:17:35.505 about politics, politics, religion, and I guess we ought to hit on race 00:17:35.505 --> 00:17:39.555 while we're at it too, but yeah, politics, man, I was joking with you. 00:17:40.010 --> 00:17:40.429 Yeah. 00:17:40.679 --> 00:17:43.010 I was joking with you before we started about, yeah, at 00:17:43.010 --> 00:17:44.130 least we don't have Trudeau. 00:17:44.130 --> 00:17:51.620 We've only got a Biden, but it's pretty, uh, man, it's pretty dire circumstances 00:17:51.620 --> 00:17:53.810 right now in Canada for you guys. 00:17:53.990 --> 00:17:59.529 And it's, it's crazy that as an American, I can see that like your farmers and 00:17:59.530 --> 00:18:03.370 how they're struggling and they're getting just abused by your government. 00:18:03.990 --> 00:18:07.060 Um, I don't know, man, it's, it's sad. 00:18:07.060 --> 00:18:09.679 The energy thing is what really is upsetting to me because. 00:18:10.340 --> 00:18:18.000 You guys can make, um, natural gas oil guys can, what was 00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:18.889 it like the natural gas? 00:18:18.899 --> 00:18:22.310 So it's easier for you guys to process it because it's already cold in Canada. 00:18:22.739 --> 00:18:23.280 That's right. 00:18:23.290 --> 00:18:23.580 So. 00:18:24.305 --> 00:18:24.585 Yeah. 00:18:24.585 --> 00:18:27.185 People are trying to say we should be green and do all this. 00:18:27.185 --> 00:18:28.985 Well, if you want to be green, then you should buy all your 00:18:28.985 --> 00:18:30.395 natural gas from Canada. 00:18:31.024 --> 00:18:31.745 You know what I mean? 00:18:32.215 --> 00:18:32.794 Totally. 00:18:32.815 --> 00:18:33.514 So I don't know. 00:18:33.514 --> 00:18:34.084 It's, it's, 00:18:34.085 --> 00:18:36.865 Travis Bader: uh, they've got the whole green thing backwards. 00:18:36.865 --> 00:18:38.174 Go get yourself electric vehicles. 00:18:38.205 --> 00:18:43.705 And actually noticed just recently, a lot of, uh, electric vehicle manufacturers are 00:18:43.724 --> 00:18:48.695 seriously cutting back on their production because the public appetite isn't there. 00:18:48.765 --> 00:18:51.505 The cost to produce is, uh, so high. 00:18:51.505 --> 00:18:55.325 And the, the myth of that being green is starting to come to light. 00:18:55.640 --> 00:19:00.500 The amount of energy required in order to maintain, to create and sustain 00:19:00.840 --> 00:19:06.370 the electrical vehicle grid is, um, is tremendous, but it sure sounds 00:19:06.370 --> 00:19:07.940 good from a political standpoint. 00:19:08.380 --> 00:19:11.620 Oh, you know, carbon tax and you know, we're going to make the world green. 00:19:11.630 --> 00:19:14.989 You wouldn't be against the nature, would you? 00:19:14.990 --> 00:19:19.169 You're not, you're not anti, uh, sustainability, are you? 00:19:20.099 --> 00:19:22.590 And I think they just framed the whole argument completely wrong. 00:19:22.590 --> 00:19:23.040 And it's. 00:19:24.080 --> 00:19:24.870 You're, you're right. 00:19:24.879 --> 00:19:28.500 It's easier from somebody on the outside to look in, from a US 00:19:28.500 --> 00:19:30.399 citizen to look into Canada and say. 00:19:30.865 --> 00:19:34.995 What's going on over there than it is for somebody who's on the inside, who's 00:19:34.995 --> 00:19:39.184 so indoctrinated and is only hearing half of the information like our news. 00:19:39.335 --> 00:19:43.355 If I pull up CBC on Instagram or meta, I can show it to you. 00:19:43.355 --> 00:19:44.304 The whole thing's blocked. 00:19:44.685 --> 00:19:48.484 And who would think that would happen in a place like Canada? 00:19:49.524 --> 00:19:54.675 The, the thing that gets me is it's not. 00:19:55.465 --> 00:20:00.105 Biden, and it's not Trudeau, it's the people that would get behind and 00:20:00.105 --> 00:20:03.525 vote something like this in and think that this is a good idea, right? 00:20:03.895 --> 00:20:08.645 These are just figureheads for a zeitgeist or a, um. 00:20:08.995 --> 00:20:09.215 Yeah. 00:20:09.415 --> 00:20:13.225 A public sentiment that is just absolutely awry and it will swing 00:20:13.225 --> 00:20:14.705 back, but it's going to have to get bad 00:20:14.705 --> 00:20:15.465 Kyle Lamb: before it does. 00:20:16.775 --> 00:20:21.394 Well, they, you know, you have one of the greatest minds and, and I don't 00:20:21.395 --> 00:20:22.344 know what you're going to say to this. 00:20:22.345 --> 00:20:23.595 You may completely disagree. 00:20:23.595 --> 00:20:24.284 I already know who you're going 00:20:24.284 --> 00:20:27.114 Travis Bader: to say, and I already agree with you, but go on. 00:20:27.455 --> 00:20:28.024 Let's see if I'm right. 00:20:29.885 --> 00:20:30.540 Kyle Lamb: We're going to say Peterson. 00:20:30.540 --> 00:20:31.245 Roger that. 00:20:31.745 --> 00:20:32.985 I was going to say him. 00:20:33.395 --> 00:20:36.475 He is, he is absolutely one of the. 00:20:38.540 --> 00:20:39.000 Great. 00:20:39.020 --> 00:20:40.709 Now, I don't know if you call him a philosopher. 00:20:40.709 --> 00:20:42.050 I don't know what you call the guy. 00:20:42.189 --> 00:20:43.070 He is a thinker. 00:20:43.959 --> 00:20:48.010 Yeah, he's a thinker and he's brilliant because he does the thinking. 00:20:48.020 --> 00:20:51.149 He doesn't let other people think for him. 00:20:51.679 --> 00:20:54.169 Oh, wow, that sounds kind of crazy, doesn't it? 00:20:54.169 --> 00:20:55.670 Like, free thinking? 00:20:55.699 --> 00:20:57.589 That's what America was founded on. 00:20:57.919 --> 00:21:01.080 Canada, I mean, you've, you've, you've always kind of been, and I 00:21:01.080 --> 00:21:04.840 don't, I'm not trying to be mean by saying this, but you've been 00:21:04.870 --> 00:21:07.149 under the foot of other countries. 00:21:07.449 --> 00:21:11.029 With whether it was the French at one time or the Brits or whatever. 00:21:11.289 --> 00:21:14.080 So in America, we were under that foot too. 00:21:14.389 --> 00:21:18.629 And then after you guys come in and burn down the white house. 00:21:18.800 --> 00:21:19.810 1812 there. 00:21:19.810 --> 00:21:20.280 Yes. 00:21:20.789 --> 00:21:20.999 Yeah. 00:21:21.729 --> 00:21:25.819 But, but my, my point is now you got a guy like that, that, that if I 00:21:25.819 --> 00:21:29.870 was Canadian and I was the Canadian government, I would be embracing. 00:21:30.154 --> 00:21:36.115 How amazing that dude is, and I would be leveraging his thoughts and all 00:21:36.115 --> 00:21:39.044 the people that he has that he talks to because he doesn't just talk to 00:21:39.044 --> 00:21:40.504 people that echo what he thinks. 00:21:40.604 --> 00:21:44.975 He talks to people that are completely, have a completely different view than him. 00:21:45.394 --> 00:21:49.614 And now they're talking about taking away his license to practice, 00:21:49.614 --> 00:21:52.034 which doesn't really matter because he's not going to practice anyway. 00:21:52.064 --> 00:21:52.245 Sure. 00:21:52.274 --> 00:21:54.860 However, That is ridiculous. 00:21:54.890 --> 00:21:58.690 The attacks that they've, that the government has put against that man. 00:21:59.649 --> 00:21:59.879 Travis Bader: Yeah. 00:21:59.879 --> 00:22:03.579 Re education mandatory re education is what, which was 00:22:03.590 --> 00:22:05.210 held up by the Supreme court. 00:22:06.409 --> 00:22:07.570 Um, why? 00:22:08.129 --> 00:22:12.720 Because his views differ because he is on social media and presenting in 00:22:12.720 --> 00:22:17.220 a way that's oppositional to what the status quo or the, I'm going to do 00:22:17.240 --> 00:22:19.820 air quotes status quo is said to be. 00:22:20.380 --> 00:22:22.320 Yeah, I philosopher, sure. 00:22:22.330 --> 00:22:22.670 Thinker. 00:22:22.700 --> 00:22:24.520 I just think he, it's like Einstein. 00:22:24.520 --> 00:22:26.460 He says, I'm not smarter than most people. 00:22:26.460 --> 00:22:29.120 I just spend more time thinking about a subject than other people do. 00:22:29.120 --> 00:22:32.140 And there's no doubt the guy's smart. 00:22:33.045 --> 00:22:36.365 But the amount of time and energy and effort that somebody will put in to 00:22:36.365 --> 00:22:41.845 look at a problem and not just try and justify why your pre, uh, assumed 00:22:41.845 --> 00:22:45.975 position is, is correct, but try and attack it from the other side as well. 00:22:45.975 --> 00:22:49.064 And then try and look at what history would say about it and try and look at how 00:22:49.064 --> 00:22:51.114 the other people and put that together. 00:22:51.214 --> 00:22:55.275 And he'll formulate an opinion, I guess, not even an argument, so to 00:22:55.355 --> 00:22:59.505 speak, but an opinion on it that people will take as an argument. 00:22:59.820 --> 00:23:04.060 And, you know, I think we have a lot to learn on our social discourse 00:23:04.060 --> 00:23:05.310 and how we can talk with each other. 00:23:05.920 --> 00:23:08.640 I don't have to agree with a guy on everything to understand he's a thinker. 00:23:09.699 --> 00:23:12.280 Kyle Lamb: He's, I don't know, I don't know him. 00:23:12.409 --> 00:23:13.240 I've never met him. 00:23:13.270 --> 00:23:14.570 I would love to meet the guy. 00:23:14.590 --> 00:23:17.499 And I would ask him if I met him, I would ask him one question. 00:23:17.709 --> 00:23:19.040 Do you want to guess what that would be? 00:23:21.649 --> 00:23:22.029 Travis Bader: Okay. 00:23:22.030 --> 00:23:25.389 There's a whole bunch of questions going through my head, but, um, uh, why don't 00:23:25.390 --> 00:23:26.590 you move to the States would be one of 00:23:26.590 --> 00:23:26.760 Kyle Lamb: them. 00:23:27.600 --> 00:23:29.300 I have, I have one question. 00:23:29.300 --> 00:23:30.300 So I'm a Christian. 00:23:30.889 --> 00:23:31.190 Okay. 00:23:31.409 --> 00:23:32.550 So my question to him. 00:23:33.100 --> 00:23:37.290 Okay, so is, is, is he, has he's publicly said he's a Christian? 00:23:37.800 --> 00:23:38.310 100%. 00:23:39.380 --> 00:23:39.870 Oh, he has. 00:23:39.870 --> 00:23:40.190 Okay. 00:23:40.219 --> 00:23:41.710 Well then you've answered my question. 00:23:41.730 --> 00:23:45.010 I never need to meet him because that's the question I had because 00:23:45.110 --> 00:23:50.489 he has dug so deep into Christianity and the Bible and he's explained it. 00:23:51.680 --> 00:23:55.850 He's taken it down a different route than anybody I've ever heard discuss the 00:23:55.850 --> 00:23:57.640 Bible and it's very intriguing to me. 00:23:57.640 --> 00:23:59.380 That doesn't mean I agree with everything he says. 00:23:59.879 --> 00:24:05.160 But man, he inspires, he inspires thought and I think that's, you 00:24:05.160 --> 00:24:12.050 know, that's like, uh, have you ever heard of, um, Oh, what's his name? 00:24:12.159 --> 00:24:16.890 Um, on combat unkilling, uh, Grossman, David Gross. 00:24:16.939 --> 00:24:17.139 Yeah. 00:24:17.139 --> 00:24:17.849 Grossman. 00:24:18.050 --> 00:24:20.289 So he's been on the podcast actually. 00:24:21.230 --> 00:24:21.580 Okay. 00:24:21.580 --> 00:24:21.870 Good. 00:24:21.879 --> 00:24:22.009 Good. 00:24:22.030 --> 00:24:23.720 He's a, he's a stellar dude. 00:24:24.180 --> 00:24:24.430 Sure. 00:24:24.430 --> 00:24:24.590 He is. 00:24:24.600 --> 00:24:28.709 He's, he's an, um, Yeah, he's an amazing guy, good Christian guy and all that, um, 00:24:29.560 --> 00:24:33.110 and I, I'm going to say this, and I don't want to say this disrespectfully, but I 00:24:33.110 --> 00:24:34.850 disagree with some of the stuff he says. 00:24:35.389 --> 00:24:37.870 I agree, but how did I get there? 00:24:38.449 --> 00:24:39.789 How did I get to that? 00:24:39.829 --> 00:24:41.289 I listened to what he had to say. 00:24:41.800 --> 00:24:48.249 He inspired my own personal thought and I made my own decisions and what's 00:24:48.249 --> 00:24:51.399 he's done in law enforcement and the military around the world, not just 00:24:51.399 --> 00:24:55.870 in America or Canada, but around the world, he's inspired soldiers and cops. 00:24:56.155 --> 00:24:59.685 To think about the act of killing and think about all this stuff of being 00:24:59.685 --> 00:25:03.215 in a gunfight and everything so that when they get in that gunfight, if 00:25:03.215 --> 00:25:09.955 something happens, like you have, uh, um, like you start to lose your hearing 00:25:09.955 --> 00:25:12.254 because, uh, uh, what do they call that? 00:25:12.294 --> 00:25:15.254 Um, there's a name for it. 00:25:15.254 --> 00:25:19.874 But anyway, as you, as you get in that position, you have a auditory 00:25:20.144 --> 00:25:24.004 physiological, but a psychological, uh, affects your hearing. 00:25:24.754 --> 00:25:25.054 Okay. 00:25:25.054 --> 00:25:25.544 Whatever. 00:25:25.905 --> 00:25:26.554 Well, yes. 00:25:26.860 --> 00:25:30.129 That may, that may or may not happen, but if it does happen, now 00:25:30.129 --> 00:25:34.460 you know, or you get tunnel vision, or you, whatever it might be. 00:25:34.770 --> 00:25:38.820 And I think that, you know, that's like with, uh, the Christianity 00:25:38.820 --> 00:25:40.590 stuff with Jordan Peterson. 00:25:40.590 --> 00:25:43.389 He, he just, he's really made me think, not just about that, 00:25:43.390 --> 00:25:44.490 but a lot of other stuff. 00:25:44.490 --> 00:25:49.750 And I have a hard time when I turn on Any of his podcasts or any of that, I 00:25:49.750 --> 00:25:54.020 really have a hard time shutting it off because he can be talking to somebody 00:25:54.040 --> 00:26:01.129 about the stupidest trivial stuff and he'll inspire thought, you know? 00:26:01.269 --> 00:26:01.759 Yes. 00:26:02.090 --> 00:26:03.759 So I want 00:26:03.759 --> 00:26:05.939 Travis Bader: to, I want to, so when I say a hundred percent, 00:26:05.980 --> 00:26:07.069 I'm thinking about this now. 00:26:07.099 --> 00:26:10.960 I want to make a hundred percent sure that he has said that my recollection 00:26:10.960 --> 00:26:12.240 is that he said he's Christian. 00:26:12.280 --> 00:26:14.639 A friend of mine actually works on a security detail. 00:26:15.030 --> 00:26:21.455 Um, Uh, maybe I'll see what we can do to, uh, to get a, a reach out to, uh, 00:26:21.515 --> 00:26:26.235 maybe ask that question or how that introduction made because, uh, yeah, he 00:26:26.235 --> 00:26:28.534 is an interesting fellow and the emotion. 00:26:28.925 --> 00:26:32.205 That's the other interesting thing, how emotional that he'll 00:26:32.205 --> 00:26:33.924 get about these different topics. 00:26:34.700 --> 00:26:37.150 Because he spent the time thinking about that. 00:26:37.270 --> 00:26:39.500 He looks at what history has to say about that. 00:26:40.100 --> 00:26:42.419 And the best predictor of future performance is going 00:26:42.419 --> 00:26:43.459 to be past performance. 00:26:43.460 --> 00:26:47.830 And I think he can see where certain thought processes and 00:26:48.119 --> 00:26:50.489 politics will be, will be heading. 00:26:50.489 --> 00:26:52.229 And it's not always a pretty place. 00:26:53.339 --> 00:26:53.539 Kyle Lamb: Yeah. 00:26:53.540 --> 00:26:56.279 He's got a, they've got a lot of their stuff right here in Nashville. 00:26:56.279 --> 00:26:57.519 I'm just outside of Nashville. 00:26:57.519 --> 00:26:57.789 So. 00:26:59.319 --> 00:27:02.859 I don't know if his daughter lives here or what, but daily wire, they do 00:27:02.859 --> 00:27:05.600 a lot of their stuff out of Nashville and he's working with them now. 00:27:05.600 --> 00:27:11.410 So very interesting guy, but kind of going back to, um, kind of our backgrounds, the 00:27:11.410 --> 00:27:15.110 outdoor thing, you know, the clean water act is something that I, I kind of got a 00:27:15.110 --> 00:27:19.449 kick out of when the back country hunters and anglers were all hot and bothered 00:27:19.449 --> 00:27:25.370 about, well, you got to sign this thing saying that you support clean water. 00:27:26.055 --> 00:27:29.535 Oh, well, what kind of dirt bag doesn't support clean water? 00:27:30.395 --> 00:27:31.505 That's not what they were. 00:27:32.185 --> 00:27:34.535 That was not at all what they were trying to do. 00:27:34.904 --> 00:27:39.415 They were trying to take away our rights and they're trying to say that If a duck 00:27:39.415 --> 00:27:43.525 lands in a pond in this state and then it flies to another pond in another state. 00:27:43.885 --> 00:27:49.355 That's that's um, Commercial or I forget what they call it. 00:27:49.385 --> 00:27:52.835 Uh, there's a name for it But bottom line is they're trying to say that 00:27:52.835 --> 00:28:00.295 because of that The, um, EPA should control anything that has a bank. 00:28:00.915 --> 00:28:04.524 A bottom and a high water mark interesting. 00:28:04.544 --> 00:28:07.745 So that's what they were pushing for So let's let's talk about what has a bank a 00:28:07.745 --> 00:28:14.224 bottom or a high water mark if you live in town Your you have a bank a bottom and 00:28:14.224 --> 00:28:19.345 a high water mark on your ditch So that means all of a sudden the epa can come in 00:28:19.345 --> 00:28:23.425 and control what you put on your grass Or if you have a garden what you put in your 00:28:23.425 --> 00:28:28.485 garden, they can control every possible thing And backcountry hunters and anglers, 00:28:28.525 --> 00:28:32.145 I think I haven't tracked them for a while now, but I think they've been kind 00:28:32.145 --> 00:28:37.965 of called out for how goofball they were, um, they were for backcountry hunters 00:28:37.965 --> 00:28:39.404 that were going in and smoking dope. 00:28:39.405 --> 00:28:42.854 And, you know, they'd never really hunted, but like, man, I'm going to 00:28:42.855 --> 00:28:46.475 go, I can kill an elk and I'm going to go stick a few arrows in a few elk 00:28:46.475 --> 00:28:48.005 and eventually one's going to die. 00:28:48.335 --> 00:28:51.015 And I'm going to post some selfies with this elk and then 00:28:51.015 --> 00:28:52.305 I'm going to go smoke more weed. 00:28:52.305 --> 00:28:58.699 And I'm like, Where I come from if if you smoke weed you got to put that down 00:28:58.699 --> 00:29:02.320 on your 4473 and you're not allowed to buy a firearm But where they're from 00:29:02.320 --> 00:29:07.119 which is also in America, they must not have to do that So I went to one of 00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:11.869 their get togethers here in Nashville just to kind of feel it out and you're 00:29:11.869 --> 00:29:17.959 gonna think I'm lying But this place I walked into was packed with a lot of very 00:29:17.959 --> 00:29:24.250 hairy very smelly dudes There was three, there were three people in that place. 00:29:24.270 --> 00:29:26.280 Cause I, I really looked to find it. 00:29:26.280 --> 00:29:28.920 There were three people that were wearing shoes. 00:29:30.100 --> 00:29:31.130 Really? 00:29:32.029 --> 00:29:35.600 Me, my buddy, and they got a squirrel hunter that they put on meat eater. 00:29:36.489 --> 00:29:37.870 Often he's kind of a character. 00:29:37.870 --> 00:29:41.370 He, he had boots on and I had shoes on and my buddy had shoes on. 00:29:41.630 --> 00:29:46.470 Everybody else had like flip flops or, um, Oh, what are the ones 00:29:46.470 --> 00:29:50.660 that all the hippies wear the, uh, Birkenstocks or Birkenstocks. 00:29:50.660 --> 00:29:50.840 Yeah. 00:29:50.840 --> 00:29:55.030 They all had like these and I'm like, bro, where I hunt, you can't wear 00:29:55.030 --> 00:29:57.680 flip flops, you gotta wear shoes, man. 00:29:57.690 --> 00:30:00.509 You know, cause stuff will bite you or you can't climb up a hill or whatever. 00:30:00.510 --> 00:30:03.609 But after that, I'm like, yeah, I probably don't need to hang 00:30:03.609 --> 00:30:04.830 out quite with these cats. 00:30:05.229 --> 00:30:08.540 And I think a lot of real hunters were kind of sucked into that. 00:30:08.940 --> 00:30:12.640 And now hopefully they're, they're more awakened to the fact that it. 00:30:12.930 --> 00:30:17.030 My, they might not have actually been on the side of, of true hunters. 00:30:17.030 --> 00:30:20.540 Even one of the guys that was the main guy on their board, he ended up writing 00:30:20.540 --> 00:30:23.520 that, that book, the gunfight book. 00:30:24.510 --> 00:30:25.610 Oh, which guy was this? 00:30:27.099 --> 00:30:27.969 Oh, let me see. 00:30:27.969 --> 00:30:28.700 What's his name. 00:30:29.320 --> 00:30:30.450 Travis Bader: It was, uh, land. 00:30:30.450 --> 00:30:32.689 Tawny, I think was the name of the, uh, the 00:30:33.390 --> 00:30:34.600 Kyle Lamb: guy in charge. 00:30:34.660 --> 00:30:36.730 Uh, I got it right here. 00:30:36.730 --> 00:30:37.360 Let me look it up. 00:30:37.410 --> 00:30:41.030 It's, um, Ryan Bussey. 00:30:42.070 --> 00:30:42.550 Okay. 00:30:43.230 --> 00:30:43.780 Heard that name. 00:30:43.780 --> 00:30:48.530 So Ryan Bussey, he, he realized after 25 years in the firearm industry 00:30:48.530 --> 00:30:53.590 that he was anti gun fair enough. 00:30:54.490 --> 00:30:57.190 Yeah, he wrote this book about, called Gunfight and I, I got 00:30:57.190 --> 00:30:58.270 a call one day from a guy. 00:30:58.280 --> 00:31:00.740 He said, man, you made the book. 00:31:00.760 --> 00:31:01.960 And I go, what book? 00:31:01.960 --> 00:31:03.400 He goes, there's a book called Gunfight. 00:31:03.410 --> 00:31:04.580 And I'm thinking, that's awesome. 00:31:04.580 --> 00:31:05.600 I'm in a book called Gunfight. 00:31:05.610 --> 00:31:09.239 Then I find out it's about this leftist dude that wants to 00:31:09.240 --> 00:31:10.799 take away guns from everybody. 00:31:11.119 --> 00:31:17.760 And he said that guys like me and, and, uh, Matt Best from Black Rifle Coffee, we 00:31:17.760 --> 00:31:23.610 have made it sexy to have the AR 15 and made it more acceptable and we're just 00:31:23.620 --> 00:31:25.399 bad people for doing this and I'm like. 00:31:26.815 --> 00:31:28.225 Man, that's so awesome. 00:31:29.025 --> 00:31:30.315 I call up Matt best. 00:31:30.415 --> 00:31:32.645 I call up Matt and he's like, Hey, what's up Kyle? 00:31:32.645 --> 00:31:34.825 You know, and I go, you ain't gonna believe it, bro, but you made it 00:31:34.825 --> 00:31:37.415 in this book called gunfight and he's like, Whoa, that's awesome. 00:31:37.415 --> 00:31:37.944 What'd I do? 00:31:38.355 --> 00:31:41.574 And I said, they said that we're the, the reason that so many 00:31:41.575 --> 00:31:43.455 people want AR fifteens in America. 00:31:43.455 --> 00:31:45.215 And he's like, yeah, right on, you know? 00:31:45.215 --> 00:31:48.945 And so we were actually proud of, of making it into the book for that. 00:31:49.235 --> 00:31:52.735 Um, I never bought the book cause I don't want to, I don't want to put my 00:31:52.735 --> 00:31:56.795 money in there, but, uh, I just think it's interesting how things get twisted. 00:31:56.795 --> 00:32:01.105 And, and, you know, I guess the point of all this is not that you should not 00:32:01.125 --> 00:32:06.364 back good organizations, but you should really know what they truly stand for. 00:32:06.365 --> 00:32:08.815 I would say before you, you go out there. 00:32:09.925 --> 00:32:11.375 Travis Bader: What do they say about the road to hell? 00:32:12.425 --> 00:32:14.154 Lined with good intentions, right? 00:32:14.734 --> 00:32:16.284 It's clean water. 00:32:16.294 --> 00:32:17.595 Who wouldn't go want clean water? 00:32:17.615 --> 00:32:18.705 That's a great intention. 00:32:18.945 --> 00:32:22.925 Read it, go through, find out what the fine print says, because even the 00:32:22.925 --> 00:32:26.985 people with the best intentions might be going down that Primrose path. 00:32:29.000 --> 00:32:33.980 Kyle Lamb: Yeah, we, you know, we get, um, we get pushed in corners every 00:32:33.980 --> 00:32:36.760 now and again to do stuff for 501c3s. 00:32:37.470 --> 00:32:38.900 on the veteran side of things. 00:32:38.930 --> 00:32:46.170 And a few years ago, my wife went in for back surgery and, and, uh, as a military 00:32:46.170 --> 00:32:50.449 guy, and, and, I mean, I guess you could say this in Canada too, you kind of feel 00:32:50.450 --> 00:32:56.240 like if I go in for surgery, I'm going to get surgery because I was in the military 00:32:56.240 --> 00:32:59.360 that you get, you're supposed to get medical care for the rest of your life. 00:33:00.270 --> 00:33:04.430 Well, that's not quite the truest case, and I guess in Canada you probably 00:33:04.430 --> 00:33:06.160 find that out every now and again, too. 00:33:06.660 --> 00:33:10.960 And we went in there, and they had her on the table, putting a little fancy hat 00:33:10.970 --> 00:33:15.659 on and getting her wired up, and then they said, Oh, we just realized that the 00:33:16.040 --> 00:33:19.690 insurance didn't approve your surgery, so we're not going to do the surgery. 00:33:20.059 --> 00:33:21.870 And at the time, my wife could barely walk. 00:33:21.870 --> 00:33:28.065 She had this severe back Injury that was just like a freak thing and she needed 00:33:28.065 --> 00:33:32.625 to have that surgery now or she could quite possibly Lose the use of one leg 00:33:32.645 --> 00:33:37.984 permanently and she looked at me and kind of grimaced and she goes the checkbooks 00:33:37.984 --> 00:33:44.044 in the center Council of the my truck go grab it and just write a check So I 00:33:44.045 --> 00:33:48.725 went down and I grabbed the checkbook and I had to write a pretty big check to 00:33:48.725 --> 00:33:54.745 have her surgery And then I had to write another check for the anesthesiologist 00:33:54.795 --> 00:33:58.525 and when she, a few weeks, well, it was actually two months later when she 00:33:58.525 --> 00:34:00.875 finally kind of had this all behind her. 00:34:00.875 --> 00:34:02.475 She's up and walking. 00:34:02.475 --> 00:34:05.315 I mean, she was walking and pain free an hour after her surgery. 00:34:05.955 --> 00:34:10.595 So a couple of months after this, she kind of finally gets her head clear from the 00:34:10.595 --> 00:34:12.245 stuff she's taken and she's back in it. 00:34:12.245 --> 00:34:15.515 And she goes, you know, if we would have been in the military, 00:34:16.015 --> 00:34:16.975 we couldn't have done that. 00:34:16.995 --> 00:34:19.485 And I would have had to go home and just get on painkillers. 00:34:19.515 --> 00:34:20.195 And I would have. 00:34:20.580 --> 00:34:21.950 Who knows what would have happened. 00:34:22.350 --> 00:34:24.420 And she goes, I want to start a 501C3. 00:34:24.420 --> 00:34:28.340 And I'm like, yeah, you know, no, we don't want to do that. 00:34:28.640 --> 00:34:32.669 And she goes, I want to start a 501C3 where we help people, not just military 00:34:32.670 --> 00:34:34.769 and law enforcement, but any human being. 00:34:35.129 --> 00:34:38.350 And 100 percent of the money that we take in goes to help them. 00:34:38.360 --> 00:34:44.220 So the moral of that story is not that, that I want you to send all your money 00:34:44.220 --> 00:34:45.540 to the stay in the fight foundation. 00:34:45.540 --> 00:34:49.400 The moral of that story is go find the people that actually. 00:34:49.880 --> 00:34:55.690 Do with your money what you would do with your money, you know We don't we 00:34:55.690 --> 00:35:00.190 don't take one dime out for anything other than to help people So that means 00:35:00.200 --> 00:35:03.930 all the administrative fees and all that comes out of our pocket That's our tie 00:35:03.969 --> 00:35:07.799 to that organization And if if you send a hundred dollars that hundred dollars 00:35:07.799 --> 00:35:12.070 is going to go to this person to help them, you know, do whatever so it's it's 00:35:12.340 --> 00:35:17.019 it's made my brain hurt a little bit less because now I can say more I can 00:35:17.019 --> 00:35:21.895 say no more often to people that I don't know if they're actually doing that. 00:35:21.895 --> 00:35:24.895 Or if I research it, or my wife researches, we can see exactly 00:35:24.895 --> 00:35:27.105 what percentage is going to help people and what percentage 00:35:27.105 --> 00:35:29.965 is going to help themselves. 00:35:31.105 --> 00:35:35.685 And it's anyway, that's been a very interesting little ride for us. 00:35:35.685 --> 00:35:39.124 And, and we actually talked about this the other day, cause you're making knives. 00:35:39.764 --> 00:35:43.035 Travis Bader: Yeah, I started, I figured it was, um, half faced 00:35:43.035 --> 00:35:46.265 blades, Andrew Arabito chatting with him and he's like, Traff. 00:35:46.800 --> 00:35:49.720 Pick up a grinder, just start grinding away on some metals. 00:35:49.780 --> 00:35:50.940 Just see what you can do. 00:35:50.960 --> 00:35:51.290 Right. 00:35:51.300 --> 00:35:55.070 So I did that and picked up a grinder and been playing around and now I just 00:35:55.070 --> 00:35:57.139 got a forge and buddy gave me an anvil. 00:35:57.139 --> 00:35:58.800 So I'm going to start playing with that a bit. 00:35:59.390 --> 00:36:03.419 Yeah, that's, but your knife making that you do, you can't buy your 00:36:03.419 --> 00:36:05.850 knives, so to speak, can you? 00:36:07.100 --> 00:36:09.240 Kyle Lamb: No, you have to do a donation to the stay in the 00:36:09.240 --> 00:36:10.790 fight foundation and, and. 00:36:11.030 --> 00:36:11.780 It's a gift. 00:36:11.820 --> 00:36:14.770 It's not a, you're not, I don't know how to put it. 00:36:14.790 --> 00:36:17.340 I mean, we're doing it the legal way that we can do it. 00:36:17.760 --> 00:36:18.660 Uh, it was kind of funny. 00:36:18.660 --> 00:36:23.579 The last dagger I finished, um, this guy, he saw it. 00:36:23.580 --> 00:36:24.520 It wasn't even finished yet. 00:36:24.530 --> 00:36:25.800 And he goes, my buddy wants that. 00:36:25.809 --> 00:36:27.960 And I was like, I'm thinking that ain't for sale, bro. 00:36:27.960 --> 00:36:30.930 You know, cause this is my first V 42 dagger. 00:36:30.930 --> 00:36:35.680 I've made other daggers, but not a V 42, like a case V 42 dagger, which 00:36:35.680 --> 00:36:41.320 was the original knife that, um, well, it's the American and Canada. 00:36:43.090 --> 00:36:48.230 SF World War II in 1942, that knife was what was ish. 00:36:48.985 --> 00:36:49.825 No, no, no, no. 00:36:49.865 --> 00:36:50.895 That's a different knife. 00:36:51.295 --> 00:36:51.495 Okay. 00:36:51.515 --> 00:36:56.475 Now this was designed loosely on the Fairbairn Sykes, but this 00:36:56.475 --> 00:36:57.604 is a completely different knife. 00:36:57.605 --> 00:37:02.124 They wanted it different because they wanted a more of a premium blade because 00:37:02.124 --> 00:37:06.795 a lot of those knives were made in, in England and they were mass produced. 00:37:06.795 --> 00:37:09.335 They're, they're a fine knife, but they're mass produced. 00:37:09.335 --> 00:37:12.135 So the stamped parts and this and that drop forge, whatever. 00:37:12.625 --> 00:37:16.195 The case that won that contract, and there was never a lot of 00:37:16.195 --> 00:37:18.205 them made, but you know, it was. 00:37:18.465 --> 00:37:22.225 All those parts are still made by the original jobbers that made them in 00:37:22.225 --> 00:37:23.925 World War II, which is pretty cool. 00:37:24.665 --> 00:37:26.525 So it's a, it's a, it's a longer knife. 00:37:26.525 --> 00:37:27.665 It's a sleeker knife. 00:37:28.004 --> 00:37:29.555 It's hollow ground. 00:37:29.565 --> 00:37:31.565 It's, there's a lot of cool stuff about it. 00:37:31.565 --> 00:37:34.814 So I had made this knife and actually that knife, I call it a 00:37:34.814 --> 00:37:36.845 V42, but it wasn't hollow ground. 00:37:37.295 --> 00:37:40.865 I've got five of them I'm making right now that some of them are hollow ground. 00:37:40.865 --> 00:37:43.735 Some of them have blood grooves, which the V42 never had. 00:37:44.125 --> 00:37:47.635 The V42 is the dagger that had the thumbprint on one side. 00:37:48.505 --> 00:37:48.875 Right. 00:37:48.905 --> 00:37:49.225 Okay. 00:37:49.345 --> 00:37:49.775 Yes. 00:37:50.015 --> 00:37:50.305 Yeah. 00:37:50.305 --> 00:37:53.585 So it has a thumbprint and that thumbprint was meant as an index point. 00:37:53.865 --> 00:37:55.375 So, you know, which way the blade was. 00:37:55.375 --> 00:37:59.905 And it's like, if you look at that knife, I don't care which way the blade is. 00:38:00.055 --> 00:38:01.995 It's you're going to go through the ribs. 00:38:02.004 --> 00:38:02.735 It doesn't matter. 00:38:02.735 --> 00:38:04.195 It's such a sweet little blade. 00:38:04.535 --> 00:38:06.924 It's like 610 thousands wide. 00:38:06.924 --> 00:38:09.255 So it's a very thin, thin blade. 00:38:10.405 --> 00:38:12.405 So this guy says, well, my buddy said he'd give you a 00:38:12.405 --> 00:38:13.775 thousand dollars for that knife. 00:38:13.775 --> 00:38:16.845 And I went sold, you know what I mean? 00:38:16.845 --> 00:38:18.155 That's a great deal. 00:38:18.884 --> 00:38:20.044 So then he calls me. 00:38:20.045 --> 00:38:20.165 Yeah. 00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:21.320 Hour later he goes. 00:38:21.340 --> 00:38:25.790 Yeah, I talked to my buddy and he changed his mind He's not going to give 00:38:25.790 --> 00:38:29.110 you a thousand dollars for that knife and I was like, okay, that's cool. 00:38:29.410 --> 00:38:31.649 Whatever I mean, I don't I mean doesn't matter to me. 00:38:31.649 --> 00:38:32.820 I'm doing it for my brain. 00:38:32.820 --> 00:38:36.770 I'm not doing it for money I'm doing it for my mental health, you know, 00:38:37.179 --> 00:38:42.080 and uh He says, yeah, he decided that because all the money is going 00:38:42.080 --> 00:38:43.650 to the stay in the fight foundation. 00:38:43.980 --> 00:38:46.810 He's going to give you 2, 500 for that knife. 00:38:47.070 --> 00:38:47.900 And I'm like, wow. 00:38:50.110 --> 00:38:51.970 So he got the first V 42. 00:38:51.980 --> 00:38:55.539 And then this guy that bought it, he actually bought another knife. 00:38:55.579 --> 00:38:58.060 Um, Alan Elishowitz, you're familiar with him. 00:38:58.440 --> 00:39:02.700 Very high end custom knife maker makes folding knives predominantly. 00:39:03.170 --> 00:39:07.160 He has been a, uh, huge inspiration to me, not just inspiration. 00:39:07.160 --> 00:39:10.420 He's actually been an instructor to me and helped me learn how to 00:39:10.430 --> 00:39:14.659 hollow grind, how to just, he's a, he's just an amazing knife maker, 00:39:14.659 --> 00:39:16.640 but he's an even better instructor. 00:39:17.149 --> 00:39:22.629 So, uh, I made some San Mai that was three layers of, of, uh, 1084 00:39:22.630 --> 00:39:23.740 and then two layers of nickel. 00:39:24.090 --> 00:39:25.550 And then he made a dagger out of it. 00:39:25.720 --> 00:39:28.550 Well, this guy not only bought my knife, but he bought that knife. 00:39:28.845 --> 00:39:33.395 As well and all that money went to stay in the fight foundation So my buddy 00:39:33.395 --> 00:39:37.194 called me later and he said, you know, the reason he did that was He said he 00:39:37.194 --> 00:39:43.344 can buy any custom knife he wants and it's only worth 800 or a thousand or 00:39:43.345 --> 00:39:47.530 fifteen hundred dollars or whatever but Your knife is worth more because not 00:39:47.530 --> 00:39:50.750 because you made it, but because that money is going to go to help people. 00:39:51.370 --> 00:39:54.070 And I thought that was a good reality check for me because it's 00:39:54.070 --> 00:39:56.249 not worth any more because I made it. 00:39:56.270 --> 00:39:59.090 It's worth more because you're going to help people with that money. 00:39:59.640 --> 00:40:02.299 And, and I also don't feel bad now, but when I say the 00:40:02.300 --> 00:40:04.330 other day we put a, a little. 00:40:04.660 --> 00:40:05.920 Tomahawk out that I made. 00:40:05.920 --> 00:40:06.620 It's not a Tomahawk. 00:40:06.620 --> 00:40:09.490 It's like a, like something that you would get from Winkler knives. 00:40:09.490 --> 00:40:14.989 And I had a, a scrap piece of 80 CRV 2, which is what Daniel 00:40:14.989 --> 00:40:16.770 Winkler makes all his out of. 00:40:17.010 --> 00:40:20.149 And Daniel Winkler, Winkler has been another guy that has just bent over 00:40:20.149 --> 00:40:24.840 backwards to help me with my, my journey to make knives and, and do this stuff. 00:40:25.260 --> 00:40:29.920 And, uh, I made it kind of a weird shaped handle because the piece of 00:40:29.920 --> 00:40:32.170 scrap, I couldn't make a straight handle. 00:40:32.440 --> 00:40:36.815 So I make kind of a swoopy handle and, and, uh, The other day we put 00:40:36.815 --> 00:40:44.385 it out online for 500 and a guy that's been in my classes bought 00:40:44.395 --> 00:40:46.775 that and he donated 500 bucks. 00:40:46.775 --> 00:40:50.914 So that's, it's, it's a very, to me, it's a very cool story 00:40:50.914 --> 00:40:53.075 of, of how this has went. 00:40:53.125 --> 00:40:55.834 And it takes a lot of pressure off me because I don't take orders. 00:40:56.345 --> 00:40:59.035 And I don't take, I build what I want to build. 00:40:59.035 --> 00:41:01.045 And if I don't want to build it, if I want to throw it in the trash, 00:41:01.045 --> 00:41:02.175 I'm going to throw it in the trash. 00:41:02.795 --> 00:41:06.535 I'm not thinking, man, this guy, Travis, I got to make this knife for him. 00:41:06.535 --> 00:41:07.425 And it's been six months. 00:41:07.425 --> 00:41:08.035 I got to get it. 00:41:08.435 --> 00:41:09.365 I got to get it finished. 00:41:09.995 --> 00:41:13.864 And the last thing I'm going to say is I was going to send you some pictures 00:41:13.864 --> 00:41:17.655 of my knives, but after I saw your knives, I was like, well, this guy, he's 00:41:17.655 --> 00:41:19.165 already making better knives than me. 00:41:19.165 --> 00:41:24.365 So your knives, your knives are beautiful, dude. 00:41:24.365 --> 00:41:25.865 I mean, they are absolutely beautiful. 00:41:25.865 --> 00:41:27.004 My first few knives. 00:41:27.265 --> 00:41:29.615 We're forged and well, I take that back. 00:41:29.615 --> 00:41:34.555 When I was a kid, I made knives and shop class in school, but, uh, I 00:41:34.555 --> 00:41:38.415 guess that's probably frowned upon these days, but, Hey, we all did that. 00:41:38.555 --> 00:41:39.195 We all did it. 00:41:39.254 --> 00:41:41.035 No, your, your knives are gorgeous. 00:41:41.035 --> 00:41:43.464 And I think when you get that forge, you're really going to enjoy it 00:41:43.464 --> 00:41:46.004 because it takes, it, it, it changes. 00:41:46.355 --> 00:41:49.675 Stock removal is a lot of fun, and I think stock removal is a 00:41:49.675 --> 00:41:51.305 good way to refine your technique. 00:41:51.305 --> 00:41:52.595 At least that's how I use it. 00:41:52.875 --> 00:41:56.425 But then once I kind of refine that, I will send you some pictures later. 00:41:56.425 --> 00:41:57.905 I just did a couple of integrals. 00:41:58.704 --> 00:42:05.165 And taking a piece of steel, actually I took seven pieces of steel, and I 00:42:05.405 --> 00:42:10.615 made this, it looked like a big glob here with this one piece sticking out. 00:42:11.015 --> 00:42:16.045 And I forge welded that all together and then that became one of them. 00:42:16.045 --> 00:42:17.095 I made a guard out of it. 00:42:17.095 --> 00:42:19.814 I never really seen that done as an integral and I know guys 00:42:19.815 --> 00:42:22.895 do it, but I, I made it a little bit bigger than I should have. 00:42:22.904 --> 00:42:25.804 And I thought, man, I can make that into a guard, not just into a bolster. 00:42:26.194 --> 00:42:30.015 So I made one with a bolster, a smaller knife, and then I made one with a guard, 00:42:30.015 --> 00:42:32.395 which is a pretty big, a pretty big knife. 00:42:32.435 --> 00:42:37.025 I'll send you pictures of it, but it's, I'd never done that by myself. 00:42:37.025 --> 00:42:41.035 I made one with Jason Knight, who's an unbelievable. 00:42:42.015 --> 00:42:48.345 Master bladesmith and between him and Alan Elishwitz, Alan taught 00:42:48.345 --> 00:42:49.785 me how to use a milling machine. 00:42:49.805 --> 00:42:52.735 And it's just been, it's been just awesome. 00:42:52.735 --> 00:42:55.815 If you ever get to Nashville, you need to look us up cause you come 00:42:55.815 --> 00:42:58.595 out here and we'll, we'll heat up some steel and make something. 00:42:58.655 --> 00:43:00.795 I mean, it's, it's just so fun. 00:43:01.645 --> 00:43:05.265 Travis Bader: I have no idea what I'm doing, but when it comes, like I got 00:43:05.265 --> 00:43:08.365 the forge, I got one in, I look at this thing and I'm like, why did I order this? 00:43:08.365 --> 00:43:09.925 I could probably make this thing myself. 00:43:09.925 --> 00:43:10.185 Right. 00:43:10.215 --> 00:43:10.965 But fair enough. 00:43:10.965 --> 00:43:12.545 Now I know I can see what it looks like. 00:43:12.545 --> 00:43:14.074 It's a Atlas forge. 00:43:14.074 --> 00:43:18.215 I fired it up a couple of times, just done the, um, Whatever that 00:43:18.215 --> 00:43:19.705 treating is that they ship with it. 00:43:20.005 --> 00:43:22.205 I haven't put any metal in to bang away yet. 00:43:22.775 --> 00:43:25.805 I have like, when I was younger, I would do a bit of welding. 00:43:25.815 --> 00:43:29.394 Like I worked for an armored car company when I was 18 and like most of 00:43:29.394 --> 00:43:31.505 my jobs, I never actually did my job. 00:43:31.505 --> 00:43:33.815 I'd find other things that were interesting and I'd do it. 00:43:33.925 --> 00:43:37.745 I worked for A& W as a teenager and I'm like, brand new place. 00:43:37.785 --> 00:43:40.135 Hey, um, do you have an alarm system? 00:43:40.175 --> 00:43:40.605 Oh no. 00:43:40.765 --> 00:43:41.695 Do you have security cameras? 00:43:41.695 --> 00:43:41.885 Nope. 00:43:41.905 --> 00:43:42.675 I'll set them up. 00:43:42.695 --> 00:43:43.285 Do you need. 00:43:43.510 --> 00:43:48.430 Uh, cabinets built, so I'm paid as a fry cook and I'm building 00:43:48.430 --> 00:43:52.439 cabinets and doing their locks and alarms, everything, but my job. 00:43:52.509 --> 00:43:54.280 So same thing with the armored car company. 00:43:54.280 --> 00:43:58.049 And, uh, I look in the corner and I see all these, uh, broken 00:43:58.049 --> 00:44:01.669 aluminum hand trucks and, uh, Oh, what are you guys doing with that? 00:44:01.709 --> 00:44:02.170 Oh, I don't know. 00:44:02.170 --> 00:44:04.500 We just piling them up and maybe one day we'll fix them. 00:44:05.365 --> 00:44:08.065 I said, well, if I could fix them, would you guys pay me? 00:44:08.385 --> 00:44:08.705 Right. 00:44:08.935 --> 00:44:10.675 And, uh, can you weld aluminum? 00:44:10.945 --> 00:44:13.195 I'm like, um, I've never welded aluminum in my life. 00:44:13.195 --> 00:44:15.355 I'm like, sure, sure. 00:44:15.374 --> 00:44:16.445 Like, let me see. 00:44:16.445 --> 00:44:16.655 Right. 00:44:17.994 --> 00:44:18.264 Kyle Lamb: Yeah. 00:44:18.545 --> 00:44:20.855 And there was probably no YouTube video on it back then. 00:44:21.295 --> 00:44:21.945 Travis Bader: There was it. 00:44:21.945 --> 00:44:25.985 But I go to the welding shop and, uh, they say, Uh, I had access 00:44:25.985 --> 00:44:28.965 to a little TIG welder and I was playing around TIG welding. 00:44:28.965 --> 00:44:31.945 I'm like, yeah, your, your TIG welder, it doesn't have enough power to be 00:44:31.945 --> 00:44:35.684 able to weld these thick aluminum hand trucks, but you can stick weld 00:44:35.735 --> 00:44:37.355 aluminum with these special rods. 00:44:37.355 --> 00:44:38.495 So I started doing that. 00:44:39.135 --> 00:44:43.424 Um, I don't even know where, where the hell I was going with this story, but, 00:44:43.424 --> 00:44:47.130 uh, anyways, working, working with all the, uh, The metal, I, I have a 00:44:47.140 --> 00:44:48.940 background a bit and playing with metal. 00:44:49.410 --> 00:44:52.390 I have no idea what I'm going to do when it comes down to forging. 00:44:52.390 --> 00:44:55.910 Like, do I, uh, I get Damascus, I get that. 00:44:55.910 --> 00:44:57.820 And San Juan, that looks so cool. 00:44:57.830 --> 00:45:02.279 Like, I, I guess you want to form it in an anaerobic environment, 00:45:02.279 --> 00:45:04.259 if possible, weld it into a, uh, 00:45:04.410 --> 00:45:05.140 Kyle Lamb: uh, container. 00:45:05.370 --> 00:45:06.410 Well, yeah. 00:45:07.230 --> 00:45:07.630 Yes. 00:45:07.630 --> 00:45:11.880 And no, here's what I would say, listen to some of these guys that 00:45:11.880 --> 00:45:16.880 do it for a living and you're going to get completely different stories. 00:45:17.660 --> 00:45:19.420 And I'll give you an example. 00:45:20.290 --> 00:45:21.069 Kyle Royer. 00:45:21.069 --> 00:45:21.979 Do you know who that is? 00:45:23.060 --> 00:45:24.560 Travis Bader: I've heard the name, but no, I don't know who 00:45:25.130 --> 00:45:25.999 Kyle Lamb: he is. 00:45:26.780 --> 00:45:30.310 If you were going to say who's the top master bladesmith in 00:45:30.310 --> 00:45:35.400 America right now, and everybody got in there and gave an answer. 00:45:35.935 --> 00:45:39.825 A lot of people are going to put him in the top five now. 00:45:40.055 --> 00:45:41.875 Are there other people that are just as creative? 00:45:41.915 --> 00:45:42.645 Absolutely. 00:45:42.685 --> 00:45:45.455 But his work is just stunning. 00:45:45.515 --> 00:45:50.135 And he's, he does classes online and I'm signed up. 00:45:50.135 --> 00:45:53.394 So every beginning of the month, he downloads his videos and you can go on 00:45:53.394 --> 00:45:54.605 there and he does a really good job. 00:45:54.635 --> 00:45:56.155 He's kind of a kooky dude. 00:45:56.155 --> 00:45:58.085 He's ADHD guy as well. 00:45:58.465 --> 00:45:59.545 That's why he's successful. 00:45:59.805 --> 00:46:03.535 But I've picked up so many little tidbits from him and I've seen how he makes. 00:46:04.520 --> 00:46:09.890 Damascus, and then I've watched how, uh, Jason Knight makes Damascus. 00:46:11.070 --> 00:46:13.930 They both end up with the same finished product. 00:46:14.595 --> 00:46:17.925 But you get to choose how you're going to are you going to do 00:46:17.925 --> 00:46:19.675 this way that Kyle Royer does it? 00:46:19.965 --> 00:46:21.615 Or you can do the way that Jason Knight does it? 00:46:21.995 --> 00:46:27.335 I've done it both ways and and what I would say is I don't like breaking a 00:46:27.344 --> 00:46:31.134 canister off when I'm done So like I don't like welding everything up with 00:46:31.134 --> 00:46:33.995 sheet metal and then having to take it off So I'm probably going to use the 00:46:33.995 --> 00:46:38.705 Jason Knight technique which is not to do that and if you do it right and your 00:46:38.705 --> 00:46:43.700 steel is clean and you You know, there's different ways guys spray it with wd 40. 00:46:43.710 --> 00:46:47.320 They dip it in kerosene There's all kinds of different ways to do it and 00:46:47.530 --> 00:46:53.870 i've experimented and I can get now with sanmai I actually do weld the whole 00:46:53.900 --> 00:46:56.839 billet and the reason I do that with sanmai is because it's simple you weld 00:46:56.839 --> 00:46:59.090 all the way Around the edge with sanmai. 00:46:59.090 --> 00:47:02.010 You're generally not going to forge the knife all the way out You're gonna 00:47:02.270 --> 00:47:06.790 you're basically forging a piece of steel and then you're going to do You're 00:47:06.790 --> 00:47:12.230 going to cut it out like you would You know, to do a stock removal blade. 00:47:12.530 --> 00:47:16.760 So yeah, when you get ready to do that, just, just ring me up and I'll, I'll 00:47:16.760 --> 00:47:18.010 just walk you through what I've done. 00:47:18.010 --> 00:47:24.799 And it's, if you ever, if you're going to do San Mai, um, nickel is 00:47:24.800 --> 00:47:31.720 a really good steel to start with because San Mai forge welds, it 00:47:31.720 --> 00:47:33.020 doesn't have to be extremely hot. 00:47:33.020 --> 00:47:35.230 It's gotta be pretty hot, but it doesn't, it's, it. 00:47:36.005 --> 00:47:37.895 It forge welds really, really well. 00:47:38.305 --> 00:47:43.185 Um, and what I'm using is that nickel sheeting that is behind lights, like in 00:47:43.185 --> 00:47:47.315 your, the lights in your ceiling have that little piece of nickel that reflects. 00:47:47.615 --> 00:47:50.695 That's what I'm using is that some of that sheeting right there. 00:47:51.155 --> 00:47:54.305 So it's only got to be enough to, to, and I'll have to send you some pictures too. 00:47:54.305 --> 00:47:58.665 I've got some, uh, some knives I've done with that, that are, that are very cool. 00:47:58.665 --> 00:48:02.535 But San Mai is fun because it's not as much work as, as Damascus. 00:48:03.155 --> 00:48:06.245 The other thing I was going to say is if you really want a good workout, 00:48:06.245 --> 00:48:07.835 go ahead and knock out that Damascus. 00:48:07.835 --> 00:48:11.015 It's a, it's a job, man. 00:48:11.015 --> 00:48:13.895 When you do that by hand, I've got a 25 ton press now. 00:48:13.895 --> 00:48:14.315 So that. 00:48:15.135 --> 00:48:19.775 That changed my world, but uh, doing that with the first couple billets 00:48:19.785 --> 00:48:22.125 I did were with my arm and it, 00:48:25.385 --> 00:48:26.164 Travis Bader: it was a lot of 00:48:26.424 --> 00:48:26.994 Kyle Lamb: work. 00:48:27.340 --> 00:48:29.200 Yeah, that's how guys did it. 00:48:29.210 --> 00:48:30.920 You know, a lot of guys still do it that way. 00:48:31.540 --> 00:48:31.980 Travis Bader: Yeah. 00:48:32.010 --> 00:48:34.870 Well, I don't think I'm going to be jumping into the big press or the, uh, 00:48:34.900 --> 00:48:41.289 the, the hydraulic or electric hammer forges, uh, quite yet, but, um, who knows? 00:48:41.310 --> 00:48:42.350 We'll see where it takes me. 00:48:42.380 --> 00:48:44.500 I, all I know is I'm learning things. 00:48:45.519 --> 00:48:46.460 What's a ricasso. 00:48:46.490 --> 00:48:46.750 Okay. 00:48:46.750 --> 00:48:49.200 I got to learn this, a choil in different places. 00:48:49.500 --> 00:48:53.470 There's so much that I don't know about knife making right now that, uh, I. 00:48:53.790 --> 00:48:54.990 I don't even know what I don't know. 00:48:55.020 --> 00:48:55.810 I don't know what to even 00:48:55.830 --> 00:48:56.330 Kyle Lamb: ask. 00:48:57.430 --> 00:48:57.680 Yeah. 00:48:57.680 --> 00:48:59.080 And that's, I didn't know either. 00:48:59.080 --> 00:49:02.880 And then, uh, what was funny, Eleanor Eichwitz and I were friends 00:49:03.180 --> 00:49:05.209 before I started making knives. 00:49:05.210 --> 00:49:06.859 And I, I said, yeah, check it out. 00:49:06.860 --> 00:49:09.140 And I sent him a picture and he goes, bro, you suck. 00:49:10.540 --> 00:49:14.200 And I'm like, well, he's just an honest guy. 00:49:14.209 --> 00:49:16.130 He's he doesn't, I appreciate that. 00:49:16.850 --> 00:49:18.410 I do too as an instructor. 00:49:18.430 --> 00:49:20.970 I don't want you to tell me I'm doing great if I'm not doing 00:49:20.970 --> 00:49:23.170 great I want to learn so he goes. 00:49:23.210 --> 00:49:23.580 Yeah, bro. 00:49:23.580 --> 00:49:26.459 You suck and he goes I'm coming. 00:49:26.489 --> 00:49:30.760 He goes I'm gonna teach you how to grind Okay, so he doesn't just say I suck 00:49:30.770 --> 00:49:35.389 and then turn and go the other way He says I suck and by the way, I am going 00:49:35.389 --> 00:49:39.390 to teach you and I thought I was like dude You tell me when I should come and 00:49:39.390 --> 00:49:42.215 he goes You ain't coming to my shop. 00:49:42.715 --> 00:49:44.345 He goes, I'm coming to your shop. 00:49:44.365 --> 00:49:46.755 I'm going to teach you how to grind on your equipment. 00:49:47.595 --> 00:49:48.325 Beauty. 00:49:49.415 --> 00:49:53.424 So this dude shows up with grinding jigs and because he does his stuff very precise 00:49:53.425 --> 00:49:57.065 He makes 18 knives usually at a time I think it is And when he gets done with 00:49:57.085 --> 00:50:00.565 18 knives You can take the parts from one folding knife and put them in another 00:50:00.565 --> 00:50:04.990 folding knife And they, I mean, and he's not doing any CNC, it's all done by hand. 00:50:05.240 --> 00:50:07.630 I mean, he's doing it on machines, but he's, there's no CNC. 00:50:08.060 --> 00:50:10.700 So he tells me this and I'm like, okay, bro's going to come to my 00:50:10.700 --> 00:50:12.750 house and teach me on my grinder. 00:50:13.620 --> 00:50:14.360 Oh my goodness. 00:50:14.400 --> 00:50:15.490 It was unbelievable. 00:50:15.500 --> 00:50:20.209 And he showed up and he told me this, he said, uh, I probably shouldn't 00:50:20.209 --> 00:50:21.550 say this, but I'm going to say it. 00:50:21.550 --> 00:50:23.690 You can bleep this out if you want. 00:50:24.050 --> 00:50:25.070 He said, uh. 00:50:25.455 --> 00:50:27.315 He said, we're only going to hollow grind. 00:50:28.415 --> 00:50:32.835 And I'm like, okay, so I'm thinking, I don't know how to flat grind, right? 00:50:32.865 --> 00:50:34.455 And he's going to teach me how to hollow grind. 00:50:35.365 --> 00:50:37.525 And I said, well, why don't you flat grind? 00:50:37.525 --> 00:50:39.825 He goes, dude, flat grinding's for fags. 00:50:40.405 --> 00:50:42.605 And I said, okay. 00:50:43.340 --> 00:50:46.380 Now he's joking because you got a lot of these top knife makers. 00:50:46.380 --> 00:50:49.490 You look at Winkler knives, they're, they're all flat ground. 00:50:49.490 --> 00:50:51.130 There's nothing wrong with flat grinding a knife. 00:50:51.950 --> 00:50:56.409 But for him, he gives it this different look because that's, that's kind 00:50:56.410 --> 00:51:01.259 of his trademark and these crazy grinds that he does compound grinds. 00:51:01.259 --> 00:51:03.350 Like the other day I was talking to him about an S grind. 00:51:03.350 --> 00:51:04.250 Are you familiar with that? 00:51:05.230 --> 00:51:05.850 Uh, 00:51:06.725 --> 00:51:07.415 Travis Bader: I think so. 00:51:07.415 --> 00:51:10.745 I got this book, um, by knife nerds and they got this different things, 00:51:10.745 --> 00:51:14.455 but the S grind would be a hollow grind with a, uh, uh, convex at the end. 00:51:14.455 --> 00:51:14.875 Would that be? 00:51:15.405 --> 00:51:18.075 Kyle Lamb: Well, it's a hollow grind with a, it's a flat grind 00:51:18.075 --> 00:51:21.155 at the edge of the knife and all it is, it's a compound grind. 00:51:21.155 --> 00:51:23.594 So people are calling it a S grind. 00:51:23.665 --> 00:51:27.635 I don't know why, but it's a flat grind so that if you use a 00:51:27.635 --> 00:51:30.905 kitchen knife, you cut through something, then it hits the hollow. 00:51:30.955 --> 00:51:34.275 And, and then the food will fall away from that. 00:51:34.585 --> 00:51:38.355 So the first couple of knives I made for my wife, I, I hollow ground them in 00:51:38.355 --> 00:51:44.165 a hollow ground knife is a horrendous, it's a horrendous kitchen knife. 00:51:44.555 --> 00:51:46.245 Everything sticks to it, you know? 00:51:46.555 --> 00:51:46.835 Yeah. 00:51:46.835 --> 00:51:47.095 Yeah. 00:51:47.095 --> 00:51:50.074 So it's, I can keep it sharp because a razor, like a razor, 00:51:50.075 --> 00:51:50.924 they're all hollow ground. 00:51:50.935 --> 00:51:54.045 They're hollow ground to a zero, which is another fun one. 00:51:54.395 --> 00:51:55.175 You don't shave. 00:51:55.175 --> 00:51:58.675 I don't shave much either, but making a, making a razor. 00:51:59.495 --> 00:52:03.575 Is a, is a challenge and I actually made one for a buddy of mine who passed 00:52:03.575 --> 00:52:07.345 away before I was able to give it to him and I've just sat there staring 00:52:07.345 --> 00:52:11.255 at him at that thing because now it's, it's like depressing to look at that 00:52:11.515 --> 00:52:16.804 razor because he had a heart attack and anyway, someday I'll probably finish 00:52:16.804 --> 00:52:19.775 it and I'll give it to his brother, but making that blade was difficult. 00:52:19.775 --> 00:52:24.685 So the, I showed, um, I wanted to do a hunting knife with an 00:52:24.685 --> 00:52:26.555 S grind because meat, yeah. 00:52:27.320 --> 00:52:30.390 On an animal is just not quite to the kitchen yet. 00:52:30.400 --> 00:52:32.220 So basically it's, it's a kitchen knife. 00:52:32.220 --> 00:52:33.960 It's just the meat's not in the kitchen yet. 00:52:34.420 --> 00:52:38.510 And, uh, right now we have a company we're working with that they're, 00:52:38.550 --> 00:52:40.640 they're making a hunting knife for us. 00:52:40.930 --> 00:52:45.470 That'll be an S grind, a compound grind like that, a hollow, a flat 00:52:45.470 --> 00:52:49.850 grind up for about almost a half an inch, and then it goes to a hollow. 00:52:49.850 --> 00:52:52.370 So that's something that I've been working with. 00:52:52.400 --> 00:52:54.440 There's a guy named Salem Straub. 00:52:55.125 --> 00:53:00.745 Who is a if you haven't seen his stuff you should look at his youtube 00:53:00.745 --> 00:53:06.045 channel because he does unbelievable Videos of how to make damascus. 00:53:06.045 --> 00:53:10.575 He's a guy that does that chain link damascus and crazy stuff And then there's 00:53:10.575 --> 00:53:15.105 another guy up in, he's not in your neck of the woods, but he's Canadian as well. 00:53:15.465 --> 00:53:18.255 Vachon Knives, have you heard of him? 00:53:18.765 --> 00:53:19.365 No. 00:53:19.995 --> 00:53:22.414 V A C H O N. 00:53:22.765 --> 00:53:27.825 I don't know the guy, I've never actually held one of his knives, but he is, 00:53:28.095 --> 00:53:31.955 he's a very good instructor from just watching his little video clips and 00:53:31.955 --> 00:53:33.765 he actually runs classes at his place. 00:53:33.765 --> 00:53:39.434 And he's just north of the border, uh, I want to say he's 00:53:39.435 --> 00:53:42.734 like just north of New York. 00:53:43.830 --> 00:53:46.820 I, I looked it up because I thought, man, if I could get up there and take 00:53:46.820 --> 00:53:48.410 a class, he'd be a fun guy to go. 00:53:48.590 --> 00:53:50.730 He does mostly, uh, kitchen knives. 00:53:51.450 --> 00:53:51.890 Okay. 00:53:52.350 --> 00:53:56.490 You know, a guy that does a kitchen knife, I think is a good guy to 00:53:56.490 --> 00:53:59.609 learn from simply because they're using such a thin piece of steel. 00:54:00.210 --> 00:54:05.119 Whereas a guy that makes, you know, like Salem Straub, he's making knives 00:54:05.150 --> 00:54:09.030 that are, I want to say 90 or a hundred thousands thick at the spine. 00:54:09.505 --> 00:54:09.835 Mm. 00:54:09.895 --> 00:54:13.015 And he's, that's why his hollow grinds on the sides. 00:54:13.315 --> 00:54:17.365 They're like a 30 inch um, wheel. 00:54:17.635 --> 00:54:24.355 So he's using a platin that simulates a 30 inch circumference wheel or not. 00:54:24.385 --> 00:54:24.655 Okay. 00:54:26.115 --> 00:54:26.505 What is it? 00:54:26.505 --> 00:54:27.885 Diameter 30 inch diameter. 00:54:28.900 --> 00:54:30.260 Um, wheel there. 00:54:31.450 --> 00:54:33.490 So anyway, I, I went down a rabbit hole there. 00:54:33.490 --> 00:54:33.920 I'm sorry. 00:54:33.920 --> 00:54:35.590 There's that ADHD thing again. 00:54:35.590 --> 00:54:37.600 I guess I better go for another walk, you know. 00:54:38.970 --> 00:54:41.640 Travis Bader: There's so much there that I'm, I'm just absorbing 00:54:41.640 --> 00:54:42.930 and learning as you're talking. 00:54:43.239 --> 00:54:44.310 You have the straight razors. 00:54:44.310 --> 00:54:47.349 So I'll use a straight razor to, uh, to tidy up. 00:54:47.349 --> 00:54:50.529 I think the geometry is neat because you use the back of the 00:54:50.529 --> 00:54:54.179 knife or the razor to sharpen it, essentially get all your angles. 00:54:54.179 --> 00:54:57.243 So that's probably takes a little bit of math to figure out how 00:54:57.243 --> 00:54:58.579 you're going to build this thing. 00:54:59.260 --> 00:55:04.970 Um, and to get your knives, I've read that, you know, it's got to hurt, right? 00:55:05.000 --> 00:55:07.840 If you're going to make a donation, we don't have a set price on here, 00:55:07.840 --> 00:55:12.009 but, uh, I wanted her hurt and it kind of reminded me of, um, what was it? 00:55:12.010 --> 00:55:13.530 The widow with the two mites. 00:55:14.020 --> 00:55:15.800 If, uh, that rings a bell. 00:55:16.240 --> 00:55:20.770 For you being a Christian and through the, the, uh, all these, uh, rich guys 00:55:20.770 --> 00:55:22.460 are coming in and making their donations. 00:55:22.460 --> 00:55:25.619 And, uh, and there's Jesus and his disciples. 00:55:25.619 --> 00:55:28.070 And I'm like, Oh, look at how great that guy is and how much money he left. 00:55:28.070 --> 00:55:31.510 And this widow comes in and she's got two, what is it, leptons, 00:55:31.510 --> 00:55:35.039 mites, two like half pennies, a quarter pennies, whatever they are. 00:55:35.039 --> 00:55:36.030 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:55:36.080 --> 00:55:36.390 Yep. 00:55:36.440 --> 00:55:36.990 Yeah, yeah. 00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:39.855 So, um, Uh, you got to give till it hurts. 00:55:39.865 --> 00:55:45.085 So it's not that it's going to be X amount, but, you know, give in a 00:55:45.085 --> 00:55:49.565 way that is going to make, uh, uh, it's going to be meaningful for you. 00:55:49.754 --> 00:55:50.414 Kyle Lamb: I like that. 00:55:50.495 --> 00:55:51.254 I like that approach. 00:55:51.254 --> 00:55:51.644 You know, it. 00:55:52.395 --> 00:55:54.945 It hurts different for different people, too. 00:55:55.025 --> 00:55:55.535 Mm hmm. 00:55:55.585 --> 00:56:00.715 And where I live, I live in a, I don't want to say a depressed area 00:56:00.715 --> 00:56:04.725 because people here are all working and they're living, they're doing fine. 00:56:05.995 --> 00:56:08.815 The county we're in is, is not a rich county. 00:56:09.365 --> 00:56:14.835 So when a guy comes over and gives me 200 for one of the very first knives I 00:56:14.835 --> 00:56:18.385 ever forged, I was ecstatic about that. 00:56:18.545 --> 00:56:20.225 He was ecstatic about that. 00:56:20.245 --> 00:56:23.755 And he's a guy, I mean, 200. 00:56:23.765 --> 00:56:24.805 He's a blue collar dude. 00:56:24.835 --> 00:56:26.995 200, that's a lot of money. 00:56:27.734 --> 00:56:30.659 Another guy gives us a check for 10, 000. 00:56:31.640 --> 00:56:37.160 That's actually less than the 200 guy gave now. 00:56:37.160 --> 00:56:41.240 I'm very thankful for the 10, 000 I'm very thankful for any 00:56:41.240 --> 00:56:42.990 time that we get any donation. 00:56:42.990 --> 00:56:49.930 I mean, it amazes me we had two things happen We had a bunch of things come in 00:56:49.930 --> 00:56:54.660 and we needed money and we're like we're out of money So what are we gonna do? 00:56:55.310 --> 00:57:01.175 Mm hmm before we made the decision my wife went and checked the mail We got to check 00:57:01.185 --> 00:57:05.955 for 10, 000 just so that's a God thing. 00:57:05.955 --> 00:57:06.785 That's not us. 00:57:06.865 --> 00:57:09.685 That's God saying, okay, you used up what you got and you did. 00:57:09.685 --> 00:57:10.275 Okay. 00:57:10.825 --> 00:57:11.914 At least that's what I'm hoping. 00:57:11.915 --> 00:57:14.425 He's thinking, and here's a little bit more money. 00:57:14.675 --> 00:57:16.395 And then the other thing that happened was. 00:57:16.855 --> 00:57:20.175 Throughout the year we took in money and we spent it for the causes that you 00:57:20.175 --> 00:57:24.065 know It might be some lady that's abused that has now got to pay her first and 00:57:24.065 --> 00:57:27.525 last month's rent so we're gonna pay that so she can get out of that abuse 00:57:27.525 --> 00:57:33.074 situation and get into a house or a little girl needs a helmet because She has a 00:57:33.074 --> 00:57:38.625 choice wear this helmet or have head surgery the helmets a much less invasive 00:57:38.625 --> 00:57:40.505 way to do it We pay for the helmet. 00:57:40.505 --> 00:57:45.545 Well at the end of the year Melinda does the paperwork and we were 13 cents 00:57:45.545 --> 00:57:53.195 difference from what we took in and what we spent Wow So that makes me a pretty 00:57:53.195 --> 00:57:57.715 happy dude, but the universe Yeah, we went down a rabbit hole man you and I I mean 00:57:57.715 --> 00:58:02.260 we might be on this thing for eight hours to get through all this information Well, 00:58:02.640 --> 00:58:03.940 Travis Bader: I, I wouldn't mind that touch. 00:58:03.960 --> 00:58:05.670 I don't, and I'm conscious of your time. 00:58:06.220 --> 00:58:09.680 I wouldn't mind touching on the leadership aspects because you 00:58:09.680 --> 00:58:14.070 know, you've said before, you know, everybody wants to talk about Somalia. 00:58:14.130 --> 00:58:16.490 There's a lot more to me than what happened over there. 00:58:16.500 --> 00:58:16.850 Right. 00:58:16.860 --> 00:58:22.949 And you've got in a book that's so highly reviewed on leadership coming 00:58:22.949 --> 00:58:27.470 from somebody who's clearly had some good mentors and good instructors and 00:58:27.780 --> 00:58:29.460 been able to put this to the test. 00:58:29.690 --> 00:58:33.980 Um, you know, as a youngster, I remember 12 years old, I was 00:58:34.000 --> 00:58:35.120 taught, I had to remember it. 00:58:35.400 --> 00:58:38.760 Leadership is the art of influencing human behavior as to accomplish a mission 00:58:38.760 --> 00:58:40.460 in the manner so desired by the leader. 00:58:41.190 --> 00:58:41.840 Fair enough. 00:58:41.869 --> 00:58:44.750 It's one thing to memorize that now, how do we affect that? 00:58:45.219 --> 00:58:49.169 So your, your book that you've put out speaks to leadership 00:58:49.180 --> 00:58:52.320 from a, such a wide perspective. 00:58:52.350 --> 00:58:56.860 And it's, it's refreshing the way that things are put together in there. 00:58:57.460 --> 00:59:00.169 What drove you to want to. 00:59:00.590 --> 00:59:01.480 Make that book. 00:59:01.510 --> 00:59:04.300 And what are some of the formative, I think you might've already told me 00:59:04.300 --> 00:59:07.770 one about your past teacher there, but formative leaders that really 00:59:07.770 --> 00:59:09.860 influenced how you, how you move forward. 00:59:11.930 --> 00:59:18.730 Kyle Lamb: Well, so the, the way it came about, so Somalia was a, 00:59:18.790 --> 00:59:27.265 uh, Interesting time in my military career and it it wasn't it was not my 00:59:27.265 --> 00:59:34.265 defining moment You know, and I don't really know If you said right now like 00:59:34.265 --> 00:59:36.245 what's your defining moment in life? 00:59:37.265 --> 00:59:40.745 I'd probably have to say when my children were born Yeah, 00:59:40.815 --> 00:59:42.804 because that's defined like dude. 00:59:42.804 --> 00:59:46.184 This is for real getting married is awesome. 00:59:46.324 --> 00:59:51.270 But You're bringing a baby into this world. 00:59:51.960 --> 00:59:56.150 You better pull your head out of your butt and you're, you're now 00:59:56.150 --> 01:00:00.000 responsible, not just for your wife, you're responsible for this little girl. 01:00:00.310 --> 01:00:03.239 And then a couple of years later, this little boy, you know, 01:00:03.240 --> 01:00:07.169 now life's easy because we got grandkids and it's fire and forget. 01:00:07.169 --> 01:00:09.390 We can get them all sugared up and then throw them back at 01:00:09.390 --> 01:00:11.190 mom and away we go, you know? 01:00:11.490 --> 01:00:11.790 Yeah. 01:00:11.890 --> 01:00:16.210 But I think Somalia did was inspirational for me. 01:00:17.610 --> 01:00:18.710 So as a, as a. 01:00:19.040 --> 01:00:25.450 Soldier, there's a lot of things I learned on the battlefield that day, good and bad. 01:00:26.130 --> 01:00:29.870 I, I got to see good and I got to see not so good. 01:00:30.430 --> 01:00:32.830 And then I got to go on with the rest of my career. 01:00:32.859 --> 01:00:36.119 And are we going to just continue to be not so good? 01:00:36.129 --> 01:00:40.109 Are we going to try to be great and be better at everything that we do? 01:00:40.109 --> 01:00:41.460 And I'm not just talking about leadership. 01:00:41.760 --> 01:00:44.830 I mean, if you said right now, what, what's the very most important 01:00:44.830 --> 01:00:46.160 thing that a soldier should learn? 01:00:46.560 --> 01:00:47.610 It ain't leadership. 01:00:47.890 --> 01:00:53.340 It's medical training because if you can't medically take care of your mates on your 01:00:53.340 --> 01:00:57.970 left and your right because if you get up and you walk outside, you get hit by a 01:00:57.970 --> 01:01:01.290 jeep, you got to treat them and it ain't, you're not even a combat environment 01:01:01.290 --> 01:01:02.700 and you got to provide first aid. 01:01:02.700 --> 01:01:08.089 So I guess my point there is that define me as far as I wanted to be a 01:01:08.090 --> 01:01:11.990 better instructor for people if I'm going to train them how to shoot. 01:01:12.975 --> 01:01:16.515 I can go back to Somalia or Desert Shield, Desert Storm or 01:01:16.515 --> 01:01:18.295 my time in Iraq or whatever. 01:01:18.295 --> 01:01:21.795 And I can talk about why I'm teaching you this technique. 01:01:21.825 --> 01:01:23.825 I'm not just pulling this out of my butt. 01:01:24.365 --> 01:01:27.155 There's a reason I'm teaching you to use this position to 01:01:27.155 --> 01:01:28.344 think about this or whatever. 01:01:29.115 --> 01:01:31.644 So fast forward, I met this guy. 01:01:31.684 --> 01:01:36.665 I was at a shooting range out in California and he's a DEA guy 01:01:36.705 --> 01:01:39.275 named Bill Lutz, super good dude. 01:01:40.755 --> 01:01:43.095 And I'm doing this five day class for these. 01:01:43.390 --> 01:01:46.610 DA guys and some FBI guys and some law enforcement dudes. 01:01:46.610 --> 01:01:51.180 And he keeps talking about this guy coming in and teaching this leadership class. 01:01:51.600 --> 01:01:56.910 And the guy he's talking about was not respected at all in our community. 01:01:57.890 --> 01:02:03.470 He performed very poorly in Somalia and was not well thought of by 01:02:03.470 --> 01:02:05.650 his guys or our unit guys either. 01:02:06.120 --> 01:02:06.560 Okay. 01:02:07.850 --> 01:02:08.950 I'm a positive dude. 01:02:08.950 --> 01:02:10.830 So I'm not going to say that to this guy. 01:02:12.655 --> 01:02:14.485 Well, it was like day four. 01:02:15.445 --> 01:02:17.035 We're done night training. 01:02:17.045 --> 01:02:18.345 We're driving back to the hotel. 01:02:18.345 --> 01:02:19.465 It's one o'clock in the morning. 01:02:19.465 --> 01:02:20.495 He starts in again. 01:02:21.105 --> 01:02:24.795 About this dude and his leadership and I just lost it. 01:02:24.795 --> 01:02:28.045 I'm like, dude, the guy's a dirt bag. 01:02:28.105 --> 01:02:29.655 Nobody appreciates him. 01:02:31.235 --> 01:02:34.205 I don't know what you guys see in him, but whatever. 01:02:34.985 --> 01:02:37.755 And he's like, Oh, sorry, dude. 01:02:37.755 --> 01:02:40.494 I didn't know I hit a, I hit a open wound there. 01:02:40.494 --> 01:02:42.345 And I, and I, I didn't have an open wound. 01:02:42.345 --> 01:02:46.805 I just, I was just like, you don't really know what you're talking about. 01:02:47.195 --> 01:02:49.595 So I go home, everything's fine. 01:02:50.935 --> 01:02:52.545 Probably a month later. 01:02:52.960 --> 01:02:58.620 I got a DVD in the mail and it just has a little note. 01:02:58.620 --> 01:03:00.950 It's like, I'd appreciate if you would watch this. 01:03:01.730 --> 01:03:04.490 And it's from this guy and he sent me. 01:03:04.785 --> 01:03:09.765 A video of this guy giving his leadership presentation and 01:03:11.135 --> 01:03:13.575 I'm a note, I'm a note guy. 01:03:14.165 --> 01:03:19.394 I've got my, my book of notes always have a book that I'm filling with 01:03:19.395 --> 01:03:21.274 notes and I've got them all marked. 01:03:21.274 --> 01:03:23.765 This one's not marked yet because it hasn't been finished. 01:03:23.965 --> 01:03:27.015 If you go to my shelf over here, my wife marks them when I started, when 01:03:27.015 --> 01:03:29.605 I finished each book so that if I go. 01:03:29.965 --> 01:03:31.045 And I had this thing going on. 01:03:31.045 --> 01:03:32.675 It was like six months ago. 01:03:32.675 --> 01:03:36.175 She's like Roger that boom this book here, and I'll go Yeah, oh there it is, and 01:03:36.175 --> 01:03:42.125 I'll find it, and I'm good to go So I sit down to watch this video and right away. 01:03:42.125 --> 01:03:49.015 I'm like whoa There's a lie so I pull out my notebook and I write down lie 01:03:49.015 --> 01:03:53.635 number one Number two number three number four and I get done with this 01:03:53.635 --> 01:03:58.925 video, and there's 12 lies About what happened in Somalia or about leadership 01:03:59.425 --> 01:04:08.085 and I was pretty fired up because I was offended by somebody Lying. 01:04:09.295 --> 01:04:11.205 I don't know if he's trying to make himself look good or I don't 01:04:11.265 --> 01:04:14.015 know what's going on But the guy was a pathetic performer. 01:04:14.015 --> 01:04:20.584 So He's thinking of himself completely differently than anybody else around him 01:04:20.585 --> 01:04:25.064 Which tells me that you're completely unaware and you're not a good leader 01:04:25.064 --> 01:04:27.734 or a great leader If that's how you're thinking because you should be thinking 01:04:27.734 --> 01:04:32.895 more about your people than about yourself so I called him up and I said 01:04:33.675 --> 01:04:37.675 I got the video and I watched the video and He's like, well, what do you think? 01:04:37.675 --> 01:04:42.215 And I said, when do you want me to come and give you a true leadership seminar? 01:04:43.355 --> 01:04:44.485 Something to that effect, you know? 01:04:44.485 --> 01:04:48.045 And he's like, well, when are you, when will you be ready? 01:04:48.045 --> 01:04:49.224 And I said, I'm ready right now. 01:04:49.224 --> 01:04:51.725 And he goes, Whoa, Whoa, wait a minute there, tough guy. 01:04:52.090 --> 01:04:54.600 Cause that's how this guy talks, he goes, wait a minute there tough guy, 01:04:56.060 --> 01:04:57.460 what's your presentation going to be? 01:04:57.460 --> 01:05:00.219 And I said, well, I'm just gonna, you know, and I kinda, I was mad, you 01:05:00.219 --> 01:05:04.010 know, and cause he's disrespecting all the Rangers that were his guys, 01:05:04.010 --> 01:05:05.540 he's disrespecting all the unit dudes. 01:05:05.870 --> 01:05:12.439 And over the next six months I put together the leadership 01:05:12.440 --> 01:05:13.990 in the shadows seminar. 01:05:15.000 --> 01:05:19.410 And, and it's nothing like it, it's nothing like the book it's, it, it is 01:05:19.410 --> 01:05:24.040 now, but at the time it was, I thought I kind of had a seminar put together. 01:05:24.410 --> 01:05:27.360 So this guy then ends up hiring me to go up to teach at 01:05:27.360 --> 01:05:29.390 the DEA and I think I did a. 01:05:30.320 --> 01:05:33.370 I forget what the first one was, but it was, it was some experienced leaders. 01:05:33.370 --> 01:05:34.760 It wasn't just a bunch of chumps. 01:05:34.770 --> 01:05:38.090 It was guys that they knew with guys and gals that were professionals 01:05:38.090 --> 01:05:39.000 and knew what they were doing. 01:05:39.800 --> 01:05:43.770 And when I went up there, this guy, Bill and another buddy of 01:05:43.780 --> 01:05:49.580 mine, John, they, they sat there and they, they tore me apart. 01:05:50.709 --> 01:05:53.990 And they, when I got done, each guy handed me. 01:05:54.305 --> 01:05:58.665 Pages and pages of notes and I'm like Roger that so what do you do with that? 01:05:58.665 --> 01:06:02.055 What do you what I was inspired because the guy was lying and I 01:06:02.055 --> 01:06:05.755 wanted to make sure I was telling the truth So I told the truth, but did 01:06:05.755 --> 01:06:07.465 I tell it in an inspirational way? 01:06:07.465 --> 01:06:09.575 Did I tell it in a, a catching way? 01:06:09.575 --> 01:06:12.864 Did I tell it in a way that draws you in and makes you part of the story and 01:06:12.865 --> 01:06:16.645 makes you think like, how does this apply in my life or in my job or whatever? 01:06:16.855 --> 01:06:17.895 And I didn't do that. 01:06:18.285 --> 01:06:19.975 I accomplished some of that. 01:06:21.194 --> 01:06:22.575 So I'm like, okay, Roger that. 01:06:22.875 --> 01:06:28.755 So I took all their notes and I completely my wife and I redid that seminar 01:06:28.785 --> 01:06:34.575 completely six months later I'm staying up there in front of a group again And those 01:06:34.575 --> 01:06:41.255 two guys are sitting in the back taking notes and their lists got shorter And by 01:06:41.255 --> 01:06:46.964 about the third or fourth seminar I was I was getting just a couple of notes for the 01:06:46.964 --> 01:06:51.505 entire seminar that they thought I should Polish up or you know the way I should 01:06:51.505 --> 01:06:53.155 have put this before that or whatever. 01:06:53.165 --> 01:06:59.690 Mm hmm So because of those guys helping me and mentoring me, and I think, I mean, 01:06:59.690 --> 01:07:04.359 I can do as good if not a better job than them getting up there to speak and I'm not 01:07:04.360 --> 01:07:05.730 saying that they're not good presenters. 01:07:05.730 --> 01:07:11.830 I'm just saying that I can hold my own as a presenter, but as a customer, 01:07:12.200 --> 01:07:16.739 you've got to be able to give, if I'm going to mentor you to get up and 01:07:16.739 --> 01:07:20.480 speak in front of people, I've got to put on a different hat and say, okay. 01:07:20.855 --> 01:07:21.665 I'm the customer. 01:07:21.665 --> 01:07:24.585 What would I think and how would I feel here and all of that? 01:07:24.735 --> 01:07:31.825 So I start doing these leadership in the shadows seminar all over the country and 01:07:31.825 --> 01:07:34.295 people are hiring me And I'm doing a lot of them for the federal law enforcement 01:07:34.325 --> 01:07:41.625 guys and for the military and then There's a cop down in Florida Named Matt Buscella, 01:07:41.665 --> 01:07:48.385 and he's a former naval aviator, and he says, uh, he called me Sparky, which 01:07:51.265 --> 01:07:55.445 Kind of bothered me because we had a guy on our team named Sparky who was killed 01:07:55.445 --> 01:07:59.944 in Somalia That was his call sign was Sparky and I never really told him that 01:07:59.945 --> 01:08:03.365 but I'm like just kind of grates on me because Sparky Was Earl Fillmore and 01:08:03.365 --> 01:08:07.125 blah blah blah He goes when you gonna write the book leadership in the shadows. 01:08:07.125 --> 01:08:12.640 I'm like, well, you know and I kind of Was slow rolling him because I'd 01:08:12.640 --> 01:08:14.070 written a couple books at the time. 01:08:14.070 --> 01:08:17.230 I wrote the the green eyes and black rifles and then stay in the fight, 01:08:17.230 --> 01:08:22.290 the pistol book and he, uh, one day he called me up and he goes, 01:08:22.360 --> 01:08:23.830 and he and I really hit it off. 01:08:23.839 --> 01:08:26.950 And I don't know why, because we're, we're not the same kind of person, but 01:08:26.959 --> 01:08:29.400 he's just a, he's a super good dude. 01:08:29.449 --> 01:08:30.369 Very good cop. 01:08:30.779 --> 01:08:33.999 Um, great thinker reader. 01:08:34.759 --> 01:08:41.409 He's a good, good guy calls me up and he says, uh, you got to write this book. 01:08:41.409 --> 01:08:42.979 And I said, well, you're going to help me write this book. 01:08:42.979 --> 01:08:45.140 And he goes, Well, I can't write the book for you. 01:08:45.140 --> 01:08:46.110 And I said, no, no, no, no. 01:08:46.290 --> 01:08:51.560 I'm going to write the whole book, but will you give me 01:08:51.590 --> 01:08:54.850 honest feedback on this book? 01:08:55.170 --> 01:08:57.370 And I didn't know what I was asking for. 01:08:57.370 --> 01:09:01.800 When I said honest feedback, this dude could not have been more honest. 01:09:02.110 --> 01:09:04.480 And that's what you need if you've got somebody that's going to help 01:09:04.480 --> 01:09:09.100 you read a book and make sure that's not a big pile of crap, you know? 01:09:09.610 --> 01:09:12.130 Um, and I said, well, what do you want for that? 01:09:12.130 --> 01:09:13.240 I says, cause I got to pay you. 01:09:14.575 --> 01:09:15.155 I don't want anything. 01:09:15.155 --> 01:09:16.265 And I said, no, I'm going to pay you. 01:09:16.265 --> 01:09:17.115 What do you want to get paid? 01:09:17.115 --> 01:09:19.695 And he goes, when I get done, I want two VTAC t shirts. 01:09:20.565 --> 01:09:20.995 Perfect. 01:09:21.785 --> 01:09:24.905 And I was like, okay, he's not going to tell me what he wants. 01:09:24.905 --> 01:09:27.165 Well, when we finished the project, he called me up, he goes, I 01:09:27.165 --> 01:09:32.124 believe you owe me two t shirts and we sent him VTAC t shirts. 01:09:32.124 --> 01:09:35.405 That's the only thing that man has ever asked of me for that, 01:09:35.815 --> 01:09:37.165 for helping me with that book. 01:09:37.165 --> 01:09:38.095 So that's one thing. 01:09:38.505 --> 01:09:39.455 Second thing is. 01:09:40.415 --> 01:09:43.985 Uh, the guy that edited that book is, uh, now the command sergeant 01:09:44.005 --> 01:09:47.235 major in charge of 10th special forces group, Kevin Dorsch. 01:09:47.665 --> 01:09:51.614 And he edited the book and it was nice to have a guy that had been an English 01:09:51.614 --> 01:09:55.264 teacher before he came in the army, joined the military, became an SF guy. 01:09:55.305 --> 01:10:00.605 Now at the time he was like an E8, E8 I think when he edited my third book. 01:10:01.385 --> 01:10:03.745 And uh, so he gave me a good perspective too. 01:10:03.745 --> 01:10:06.115 So now that that's all done, everything's ready. 01:10:06.115 --> 01:10:10.165 I'm like, I have a manuscript that I feel is very good. 01:10:11.310 --> 01:10:12.630 Well, what's the last check? 01:10:12.640 --> 01:10:15.330 Well, I hand it to my wife, and I go, here it is. 01:10:15.330 --> 01:10:16.530 And I had it in this big binder. 01:10:17.130 --> 01:10:18.840 And she takes it, and she starts reading it. 01:10:20.115 --> 01:10:24.285 Over, you know, a day or day and a half or whatever, she hands it back to me. 01:10:24.285 --> 01:10:25.265 She goes, there you go. 01:10:25.575 --> 01:10:26.945 I think you got a little work to do. 01:10:29.215 --> 01:10:32.704 And I go, cause, so this is your baby. 01:10:32.705 --> 01:10:38.405 Like you've been working on this for a few years and you get very emotional 01:10:38.405 --> 01:10:42.554 about your attachment to this project and how much work you've put into it. 01:10:43.034 --> 01:10:45.465 And you don't want to start over. 01:10:46.045 --> 01:10:46.485 And. 01:10:46.830 --> 01:10:50.500 And honestly, what she told me, I had like five chapters in the book. 01:10:50.540 --> 01:10:57.450 She had X'd the entire chapter, not a word, not a paragraph, the entire chapter. 01:10:57.450 --> 01:10:59.460 She goes, you need to rewrite this chapter. 01:11:00.060 --> 01:11:04.200 And I'm like, well, let, and she goes, I'm going to tell you the subject and 01:11:04.200 --> 01:11:05.429 you're going to rewrite the chapter. 01:11:05.429 --> 01:11:07.070 You're not going to look at any of your notes. 01:11:07.960 --> 01:11:09.350 You're not going to look in this book. 01:11:09.750 --> 01:11:11.480 You're going to rewrite that chapter. 01:11:13.350 --> 01:11:16.170 And I was like, okay, can you give me some guidance? 01:11:16.170 --> 01:11:18.620 Like what's Why is that? 01:11:18.630 --> 01:11:22.610 And she goes, I can tell that you were either tired or in a bad 01:11:22.610 --> 01:11:24.040 mood when you wrote that chapter. 01:11:24.950 --> 01:11:28.610 And she goes, you're a positive person and you want this to be a positive experience 01:11:28.610 --> 01:11:33.050 because ultimately, you want people to take something good away from it. 01:11:33.090 --> 01:11:34.980 You don't need them to take anything bad. 01:11:36.280 --> 01:11:37.520 Who cares is bad stuff. 01:11:37.520 --> 01:11:39.200 There's everybody can point out the bad. 01:11:39.200 --> 01:11:39.620 What can we do? 01:11:39.620 --> 01:11:40.170 That's good. 01:11:40.170 --> 01:11:43.830 Let's move on with the positive and be better at the end of the day. 01:11:44.330 --> 01:11:44.490 Wow. 01:11:44.490 --> 01:11:50.820 I rewrote those five chapters and those five chapters were 5, 000 percent better 01:11:50.820 --> 01:11:52.550 than the original chapters that I wrote. 01:11:53.340 --> 01:11:58.900 So since then, she's become kind of my go to first cut on some of this stuff. 01:11:58.900 --> 01:12:02.110 And right now I'm actually, I've just about got another book finished 01:12:02.490 --> 01:12:04.190 and it's war stories from the Bible. 01:12:04.800 --> 01:12:05.150 Right. 01:12:05.340 --> 01:12:06.130 That's going to ask you that one. 01:12:06.970 --> 01:12:09.660 Yeah, I've rewritten some not rewritten. 01:12:09.740 --> 01:12:15.420 I'm writing them as I don't know what you would call it It's it's historical 01:12:15.420 --> 01:12:22.100 fiction because we don't know exactly what happened when Jail drove a 01:12:22.190 --> 01:12:25.260 tent peg through a guy's temple. 01:12:26.019 --> 01:12:29.580 I've never done that I don't know what that's like But I'm gonna venture to 01:12:29.580 --> 01:12:34.340 guess that when you got a wooden mallet and you got a wooden tent peg That's not 01:12:34.340 --> 01:12:37.540 an easy task, but that old gal did it. 01:12:37.870 --> 01:12:39.140 Yeah, she, she did it. 01:12:39.150 --> 01:12:42.900 So what did she think about what led her to do that? 01:12:42.900 --> 01:12:44.419 And then what did she feel after it? 01:12:44.429 --> 01:12:47.460 And what did, you know, what did the old guy that come in there and he wanted 01:12:47.460 --> 01:12:51.899 some water and she gave him some milk and he fell asleep and she pinned his 01:12:51.900 --> 01:12:53.239 head to the ground with a tent peg. 01:12:53.460 --> 01:12:53.720 Okay. 01:12:53.720 --> 01:12:57.360 That's a story I want to hear, or like Ehud, the assassin that, and 01:12:57.360 --> 01:13:00.800 you'll like this one, Ehud, are you familiar with him who made the dagger? 01:13:00.890 --> 01:13:01.904 He, he made this. 01:13:02.885 --> 01:13:03.125 Yeah. 01:13:03.125 --> 01:13:04.485 He went in and killed King Aglon. 01:13:04.625 --> 01:13:04.995 Yeah. 01:13:05.135 --> 01:13:05.415 Yeah. 01:13:05.415 --> 01:13:05.585 Yeah. 01:13:05.585 --> 01:13:05.905 He made it. 01:13:05.905 --> 01:13:06.955 It's like 18 inches long. 01:13:06.965 --> 01:13:09.345 He, he took it in there and he killed, you know, he killed 01:13:09.365 --> 01:13:10.975 King Aglon with this dagger. 01:13:11.385 --> 01:13:14.205 And the things that I learned from that was I wrote this story and 01:13:14.205 --> 01:13:17.355 everything and my buddy reads it and he's a preacher and the other guy was 01:13:17.355 --> 01:13:22.314 a missionary and he goes, you said he tested it on a pig and I'm like, 01:13:22.315 --> 01:13:26.315 yeah, and he goes, bro, he was a Jew. 01:13:27.805 --> 01:13:32.445 He would have never touched a pig and I was like, man, I 01:13:32.445 --> 01:13:33.785 never even thought about that. 01:13:33.785 --> 01:13:35.545 And then the other guy says, good point. 01:13:35.950 --> 01:13:37.740 So how did he make this? 01:13:37.780 --> 01:13:39.950 He, you said he forged this steel. 01:13:41.620 --> 01:13:42.880 They didn't have steel. 01:13:43.730 --> 01:13:45.030 No, they didn't have steel. 01:13:45.040 --> 01:13:47.210 So that at the most they would have had bronze. 01:13:47.620 --> 01:13:49.320 So how do you make bronze? 01:13:49.380 --> 01:13:52.080 Well, I had to research like, how do you take tin and copper 01:13:52.080 --> 01:13:54.129 and melt them and pour it? 01:13:54.370 --> 01:13:56.490 You know, it's not a big thing that's going to be forged, but it's 01:13:56.490 --> 01:13:58.730 something that you're going to pour and then you're going to file and, 01:13:59.050 --> 01:14:00.680 and polish and do all this stuff. 01:14:00.920 --> 01:14:02.490 So I had to research how to do that. 01:14:02.490 --> 01:14:04.319 And then I told the story of how he. 01:14:04.640 --> 01:14:09.960 Made a form, beat the form down with a hammer, laid this dagger in there with 01:14:09.960 --> 01:14:13.729 some dust so that when he opened the box back up there was a form of the 01:14:13.729 --> 01:14:18.820 dagger and then he closed it back up and then he poured the the molten bronze in 01:14:18.820 --> 01:14:21.439 there and made this bronze dagger and then he went in and killed this king 01:14:21.439 --> 01:14:23.770 and that's the story I want to read. 01:14:24.130 --> 01:14:28.400 That it never got told completely in the Bible because if the Bible 01:14:28.400 --> 01:14:31.540 went as in depth as I've went with each one of these stories, the Bible 01:14:31.540 --> 01:14:33.900 would be, you know, 500 times longer. 01:14:34.810 --> 01:14:44.649 And, uh, the goal with this book is to inspire people to believe, to have 01:14:44.660 --> 01:14:50.840 faith, and also to maybe dig a little bit deeper and go read the Bible. 01:14:50.860 --> 01:14:52.070 Because there's some great stories. 01:14:53.795 --> 01:14:59.425 I'm a warrior, I'm a military guy, so I'm a Old Testament dude, cause there's a 01:14:59.615 --> 01:15:02.185 lot of good killin in the Old Testament. 01:15:02.185 --> 01:15:08.975 Um, Smiting, I guess they call it smiting, you know, uh, but I did include 01:15:08.975 --> 01:15:10.804 some, some New Testament stuff too. 01:15:10.804 --> 01:15:15.575 I've got Paul the Apostle in there and, and some of these people, you're going 01:15:15.575 --> 01:15:19.625 to say like, how do you get a war story out of Paul the Apostle, but then when 01:15:19.625 --> 01:15:26.320 you realize that What he went through as an apostle, you know, being made blind 01:15:26.320 --> 01:15:31.280 and then recovering from that and then following Jesus and this the whole his 01:15:31.280 --> 01:15:36.999 whole life was more of a Battle than a lot of those guys that we look at as these 01:15:36.999 --> 01:15:41.960 great warriors from the Bible When he was tortured, you know, do you know what? 01:15:44.030 --> 01:15:47.580 So when they gave him the they beat him with rods or if you're familiar with 01:15:47.580 --> 01:15:50.280 that Do you know what a fascist is? 01:15:52.510 --> 01:15:55.680 So they had a, they had a, a thing now, now picture like a, 01:15:55.720 --> 01:15:59.120 uh, picture like a bearded ax. 01:15:59.180 --> 01:16:01.740 Let's just, cause you can picture that, right? 01:16:02.350 --> 01:16:05.749 So picture a bearded ax, but around the handle of the bearded ax, 01:16:05.750 --> 01:16:07.390 they've taken these birch rods. 01:16:08.000 --> 01:16:12.250 And they have put a bundle of those around this handle. 01:16:12.620 --> 01:16:18.670 And this guy that stands there to give the beating, he's the guy that holds this. 01:16:18.910 --> 01:16:22.350 And when it's time for this guy to get beat, they take Paul and they take 01:16:22.350 --> 01:16:25.510 his buddy and they lay him over these rocks and they're stripped naked. 01:16:25.819 --> 01:16:30.130 And he pulls out the first rod and he starts to beat him until that breaks. 01:16:30.370 --> 01:16:33.030 And then he gets the next rod and he beats until that breaks and they give him 01:16:33.030 --> 01:16:37.320 his, you know, whatever number of lashes they're gonna, they're gonna give him. 01:16:37.670 --> 01:16:42.675 Um, Man, that's a that's a stud. 01:16:42.685 --> 01:16:45.905 That's better than Johnny Rambo that can sit there and take that beating And then 01:16:45.905 --> 01:16:49.795 the thing that was interesting about that is he was a roman citizen So at 01:16:49.825 --> 01:16:54.615 any time he could have said hey, bro I'm a roman citizen and they couldn't have 01:16:54.615 --> 01:16:56.705 done that to him But what did he do? 01:16:56.715 --> 01:16:58.554 He knew that his buddy was going to get beat. 01:16:58.925 --> 01:17:04.110 So he took the same beating As his buddy was going to take, and 01:17:04.120 --> 01:17:07.050 at any point he could have been a sissy, like I would have been and 01:17:07.050 --> 01:17:08.330 said, Whoa, Whoa, I'm an American. 01:17:08.450 --> 01:17:08.940 You can't do that. 01:17:08.940 --> 01:17:09.710 Whoa, I'm Canadian. 01:17:09.710 --> 01:17:10.550 Or, you know what I'm saying? 01:17:10.730 --> 01:17:11.200 Sure. 01:17:11.260 --> 01:17:13.649 You know, I could, like, I would have said, Hey, right on. 01:17:13.650 --> 01:17:17.800 Hey, you know, you're about to, you're about to beat a Canadian over here. 01:17:17.809 --> 01:17:19.330 You know, don't you know, I'm a Canadian. 01:17:19.330 --> 01:17:19.724 Hey. 01:17:20.135 --> 01:17:22.015 You know, and they would have had to stop. 01:17:22.065 --> 01:17:27.125 So anyway, that's, yeah, that's, that's how those stories go. 01:17:27.125 --> 01:17:33.184 I want guys to be inspired and I, I, this is going to sound kind of weird, I 01:17:33.185 --> 01:17:41.545 guess to say, but we only need to sell one of those books and actually sell it. 01:17:42.165 --> 01:17:47.135 We need, we need one of the right people to read that book. 01:17:48.465 --> 01:17:49.335 That's all we need. 01:17:50.885 --> 01:17:50.915 Mm. 01:17:50.915 --> 01:17:51.485 You know what I'm saying? 01:17:51.485 --> 01:17:52.595 Like, it doesn't matter. 01:17:52.625 --> 01:17:59.185 It, it, it, um, I'll, I'll use your podcast as an example. 01:18:00.095 --> 01:18:02.795 I was doing a, a podcast and my buddy said, well, how many downloads 01:18:02.800 --> 01:18:03.755 do you get on your podcast? 01:18:03.755 --> 01:18:09.355 And I told him, he's like, huh, we're getting like, you know, a hundred 01:18:10.245 --> 01:18:14.145 And I said, yeah, but you just told me a story about one of those guys that 01:18:14.575 --> 01:18:22.475 listened to your podcast, um, decided not to kill himself because of your podcast. 01:18:27.465 --> 01:18:33.605 You see the impact that you can have one person one person listens to that podcast 01:18:34.025 --> 01:18:39.855 and they don't take their life I would chalk that up as a successful podcast, 01:18:40.455 --> 01:18:44.345 you know the other side of and I don't want to get too overly Religious here, 01:18:44.345 --> 01:18:50.285 but everybody worries about their number of followers like on Instagram and face 01:18:50.294 --> 01:18:55.205 plant and all this stuff Jesus had 12. 01:18:56.265 --> 01:18:56.705 Mm hmm. 01:18:57.975 --> 01:18:59.485 And it look where it went from there. 01:19:00.055 --> 01:19:04.510 So I, I've had to kind of step back from this book a little bit because we 01:19:04.510 --> 01:19:08.800 actually had a book agent for a while and he was trying to shop it around and book 01:19:08.850 --> 01:19:12.090 people don't want another Christian book. 01:19:12.180 --> 01:19:15.479 You know, they wanted me to write my story like about being a soldier and 01:19:15.479 --> 01:19:16.670 being in the unit and doing all this. 01:19:16.670 --> 01:19:18.810 And I'm like, no, that's, that's never getting written. 01:19:19.289 --> 01:19:20.134 This is the book. 01:19:20.565 --> 01:19:23.015 Well, you know, and it's like, nope, nevermind. 01:19:23.505 --> 01:19:24.515 And the guy was a great guy. 01:19:24.525 --> 01:19:25.265 It wasn't his fault. 01:19:25.265 --> 01:19:27.445 It was the people he was trying to sell the book to. 01:19:27.445 --> 01:19:28.695 He was doing a great job. 01:19:29.085 --> 01:19:32.984 But at the end my wife and I were like, we just, we're just gonna do this like we did 01:19:32.984 --> 01:19:35.354 the previous books and it'll be on Amazon. 01:19:35.354 --> 01:19:36.234 It'll be on our website. 01:19:36.234 --> 01:19:37.024 It'll be available. 01:19:37.054 --> 01:19:38.754 And we just need that one guy. 01:19:39.375 --> 01:19:44.685 We need that one young soldier to pick it up and read it and realize that 01:19:47.610 --> 01:19:49.820 There's a different way, you know, so. 01:19:50.370 --> 01:19:50.780 I really 01:19:50.780 --> 01:19:51.300 Travis Bader: like that. 01:19:52.470 --> 01:19:56.830 You know, my ADHD entrepreneur hat goes on with each one of 01:19:56.830 --> 01:19:58.090 those stories that's in there. 01:19:58.090 --> 01:20:00.790 So you've got a, that dagger that's 18 inches. 01:20:00.820 --> 01:20:03.620 That's about a cubit, I think, in length bronze. 01:20:04.439 --> 01:20:09.399 You had, what was that other device that you said was, uh, yeah, the fasces. 01:20:09.399 --> 01:20:10.439 Yep. 01:20:11.020 --> 01:20:18.220 What if you made one of each of these weapons and had it as a, um, sort of 01:20:18.220 --> 01:20:22.290 like the auction items or something to go along with the stories that, that I 01:20:22.290 --> 01:20:25.579 wonder if that'd be an interesting way to be able to promote, raise awareness 01:20:25.579 --> 01:20:30.020 and also raise, uh, uh, money for the, for the nonprofit, for what you're doing. 01:20:30.030 --> 01:20:31.220 Just not that you had 01:20:31.220 --> 01:20:31.410 Kyle Lamb: to. 01:20:31.410 --> 01:20:34.910 You're making me, you're, you're trying to make me do a lot of work, bro. 01:20:34.910 --> 01:20:35.910 That's a lot of work. 01:20:36.430 --> 01:20:36.870 Not that you 01:20:36.870 --> 01:20:38.709 Travis Bader: don't already have a lot of things on your plate. 01:20:39.990 --> 01:20:43.410 Kyle Lamb: Yeah, so you know it's funny you say that because Jason Knight is a 01:20:43.740 --> 01:20:48.040 Christian as well and he said he wants to get together with me and we want to make 01:20:51.655 --> 01:20:54.465 And I'm like, that's the perfect, you know, that's kind of down 01:20:54.785 --> 01:20:55.965 the road that you said there. 01:20:56.385 --> 01:21:00.274 Um, the other thing, and I don't know if I'm supposed to say this or not, 01:21:00.285 --> 01:21:05.234 maybe I'll get in trouble for this, but, um, every chapter is going to 01:21:05.245 --> 01:21:10.405 have a special picture that goes with the chapter and it will be of the 01:21:10.405 --> 01:21:15.365 dagger, the hammer, the tent peg. 01:21:16.655 --> 01:21:20.425 It'll be, it'll be a specific thing from that chapter. 01:21:20.815 --> 01:21:24.614 And what's really cool about that is, it's my wife figuring out 01:21:24.614 --> 01:21:28.154 what that is, and then it's my son in law doing all the artwork. 01:21:28.995 --> 01:21:32.494 So it's, it's, it's, it's a family thing here, you know? 01:21:32.494 --> 01:21:37.255 And, um, he's my son in law, so of course I gotta be a little mean 01:21:37.255 --> 01:21:39.505 to him every now and again because he's married to my daughter. 01:21:39.555 --> 01:21:44.724 But he's a stellar dude, also a Christian, and he's, he grew up in Argentina. 01:21:45.010 --> 01:21:49.350 Now he's American, but, you know, a super dad to my grandkids and everything 01:21:49.350 --> 01:21:51.130 and it's, it's been, it's fun. 01:21:51.130 --> 01:21:52.340 He gets super motivated. 01:21:52.340 --> 01:21:56.410 He, he writes as well and he's a spectacular artist, but his 01:21:56.410 --> 01:21:58.560 writing is, is stellar as well. 01:21:58.880 --> 01:22:04.359 Um, but he writes like, uh, what would you call it? 01:22:04.359 --> 01:22:08.460 Uh, like fantasy thriller type stuff. 01:22:08.500 --> 01:22:11.510 So like on another planet or, you know, stuff like that. 01:22:11.510 --> 01:22:14.440 And I've read, I read one of the books that he just wrote. 01:22:14.925 --> 01:22:19.725 That he hasn't, he hasn't, uh, got it published yet, but it's very, very good. 01:22:19.725 --> 01:22:22.835 It's not really my kind of book, but it was, it really drew me in. 01:22:22.835 --> 01:22:26.914 So it's, it's nice to have an artist like that, that can take a picture. 01:22:27.410 --> 01:22:31.090 Or read my picture and then draw it, you know? 01:22:31.930 --> 01:22:34.990 Travis Bader: You've mentioned your wife numerous times through here, and 01:22:35.000 --> 01:22:38.829 she sounds like, like, oh, I can refer to my wife as a force multiplier. 01:22:39.540 --> 01:22:45.000 Um, would you have these books out if it wasn't for your wife, would you have? 01:22:46.910 --> 01:22:51.340 Have you heard of the term, uh, doubling and it's an ADHD sort of thing. 01:22:51.690 --> 01:22:52.300 I'm just curious. 01:22:52.330 --> 01:22:56.560 This is my own personal curiosity here, but I've got all these ideas 01:22:56.560 --> 01:22:58.510 and energy and things I want to do. 01:22:58.549 --> 01:23:02.450 And sometimes I just need somebody beside me while I do it. 01:23:02.459 --> 01:23:03.790 And they, they call this doubling. 01:23:03.799 --> 01:23:07.010 Like my wife will come in and every once in a while, I'll bounce an idea 01:23:07.020 --> 01:23:10.230 off or I'll ask for help on certain little things here and there, but. 01:23:11.480 --> 01:23:13.120 Basically I'm then doing the project. 01:23:13.120 --> 01:23:15.260 If I've got to write something, I'm not a good writer. 01:23:15.310 --> 01:23:17.180 It takes me a lot of work to write something. 01:23:17.180 --> 01:23:20.900 And I've played around with just blog posts and short story, short things. 01:23:20.900 --> 01:23:21.200 Right. 01:23:21.870 --> 01:23:27.479 Um, but I don't get off the ground unless I got, got her beside me for 01:23:27.479 --> 01:23:28.759 at least to get this thing rolling. 01:23:28.769 --> 01:23:29.769 Do you do anything like that? 01:23:29.769 --> 01:23:30.590 Kyle Lamb: Is that a similar? 01:23:30.890 --> 01:23:32.519 Yeah, kind of like the writing. 01:23:32.520 --> 01:23:33.950 I'm a self starter on the writing. 01:23:33.970 --> 01:23:37.000 I love to write and I feel like I'm a decent writer. 01:23:37.380 --> 01:23:42.270 Recently I started writing some poetry and my poetry's. 01:23:43.075 --> 01:23:46.575 As my wife says, she goes, I was going to read something the other day 01:23:46.575 --> 01:23:48.775 and my wife goes, just be advised. 01:23:48.835 --> 01:23:55.275 His stuff's a little bit dark and it's, it's honest. 01:23:55.315 --> 01:23:59.824 So it's some of it's dark because inside my brain or my heart sometimes 01:23:59.824 --> 01:24:05.345 it's a little bit shadowy there, you know, but yeah, I, my writing is, is 01:24:06.355 --> 01:24:08.955 sometimes she's got to push me like, Hey, you need to get back on that project. 01:24:08.965 --> 01:24:09.645 Roger that. 01:24:10.145 --> 01:24:13.095 But what she does is she runs our business. 01:24:13.640 --> 01:24:16.600 Um, make sure that, you know, products are going out the door out of our 01:24:16.600 --> 01:24:19.970 warehouse because everything that we sell ships out from our warehouse. 01:24:20.950 --> 01:24:26.720 Um, comes up with, you know, like you're wasting time on this project. 01:24:26.720 --> 01:24:27.560 What are you doing? 01:24:27.830 --> 01:24:32.060 And I've said, I'm an, I'm not a numbers guy, but I'm a goal guy. 01:24:32.070 --> 01:24:34.790 And if I look at it, I'm like, why did I put all my time into this? 01:24:35.120 --> 01:24:36.540 And it didn't produce anything. 01:24:37.690 --> 01:24:41.869 Well, if it's not for the betterment of humankind or anything like that, sure. 01:24:41.900 --> 01:24:46.570 Why am I wasting my time with this other company that is we've, we've made nothing. 01:24:46.860 --> 01:24:49.240 And over here, there's this little silent company. 01:24:49.240 --> 01:24:50.200 That's just crushing it. 01:24:50.625 --> 01:24:54.465 And i'm not giving them any love so she's the one that kind of keeps me like you 01:24:54.465 --> 01:24:58.005 need to get away from this company And go to these guys because they're actually 01:24:58.385 --> 01:25:05.064 producing Um, then the other side of that is i'm a goal person So I set a goal You 01:25:05.064 --> 01:25:08.405 know, like maybe i'll set a fiscal goal like we need to do this much business or 01:25:08.405 --> 01:25:13.275 make this much money And not because I'm a money hungry person, but money does 01:25:13.275 --> 01:25:15.075 allow you to have a little bit of freedom. 01:25:15.565 --> 01:25:19.544 And if we have enough income or we have enough money in the bank, it allows me 01:25:19.545 --> 01:25:23.244 to start thinking of working on some of the projects that mean more to me than 01:25:23.245 --> 01:25:26.905 standing on the range doing up drills with a bunch of students, which I love that. 01:25:27.395 --> 01:25:30.865 And I love to be an instructor, but if I do that every day, I don't 01:25:30.865 --> 01:25:32.525 have the energy to write this book. 01:25:32.655 --> 01:25:35.465 I don't have the energy to do another product or whatever it might be. 01:25:35.895 --> 01:25:40.665 So I've set some lofty goals and because of my wife we've attained those goals. 01:25:41.164 --> 01:25:50.735 Um, yeah, I feel bad for people that don't have a good partner in crime like that. 01:25:51.365 --> 01:25:54.865 Um, we're lucky and, and, and not a lot of people that are 01:25:54.865 --> 01:25:58.445 married have, are evenly yoked. 01:25:59.394 --> 01:26:01.965 And by evenly yoked, I don't just mean. 01:26:02.515 --> 01:26:09.495 Working or being on the same team, but my wife is spiritually, 01:26:10.395 --> 01:26:13.365 mentally, physically, everything. 01:26:13.365 --> 01:26:15.514 We are, we are yoked together. 01:26:15.974 --> 01:26:16.655 She is. 01:26:17.105 --> 01:26:18.135 Absolutely. 01:26:18.665 --> 01:26:24.285 The only person on this planet that 100 percent has my back, you know, and 01:26:24.285 --> 01:26:27.384 if things go bad, yeah, things go bad. 01:26:27.414 --> 01:26:31.674 You see in the, in this industry, whether it's firearms or fishing or 01:26:31.675 --> 01:26:35.954 whatever it is, somebody does something, people will turn their back on that 01:26:35.964 --> 01:26:37.955 individual in a, in a heartbeat. 01:26:38.540 --> 01:26:40.430 without even knowing the circumstances. 01:26:40.430 --> 01:26:43.400 So I know that she's always going to be there with me. 01:26:43.400 --> 01:26:47.120 So that's, you know, we've been married now 36 years. 01:26:48.120 --> 01:26:50.499 Um, that's a long time. 01:26:50.510 --> 01:26:53.060 That's a really long, we were married before I joined the army. 01:26:53.060 --> 01:26:56.279 We got married a couple of weeks before I left for the military and somehow we 01:26:56.279 --> 01:26:59.420 made it through all that and strong woman. 01:27:00.679 --> 01:27:00.959 Yeah. 01:27:00.999 --> 01:27:01.909 She's super strong. 01:27:01.909 --> 01:27:03.770 She's way stronger than I'll ever be, you know? 01:27:04.330 --> 01:27:06.450 So yeah, I guess we are doubling. 01:27:06.450 --> 01:27:07.300 We're doing something. 01:27:07.300 --> 01:27:08.450 It's, it works because. 01:27:10.130 --> 01:27:13.060 You know, and she, she gets, she sits here and watches when I'm reading 01:27:13.060 --> 01:27:17.150 something or she's giving me feedback on a project and I'm kind of like giving 01:27:17.150 --> 01:27:20.430 her the eye and it's not that I'm upset. 01:27:20.440 --> 01:27:25.479 It's this, that I'm trying to soak this all in and trying to understand what 01:27:25.479 --> 01:27:28.319 she's talking about, because sometimes we're on different sheets of music and 01:27:28.320 --> 01:27:32.260 it's just, she's got to hang in there and explain it more so that I finally get it. 01:27:32.260 --> 01:27:36.390 Um, I'm going to give you one quick example. 01:27:36.390 --> 01:27:36.660 So. 01:27:37.265 --> 01:27:39.605 She told me one day we were at my daughter's house. 01:27:40.965 --> 01:27:43.835 She said I have this great idea for a chapter in your your 01:27:43.835 --> 01:27:45.305 Bible book And I'm like, okay. 01:27:45.325 --> 01:27:45.885 Yeah, I'm ready. 01:27:46.065 --> 01:27:47.265 What's the what's the idea? 01:27:47.275 --> 01:27:57.015 She goes the angels roared and I'm like, okay, tell me about it. 01:27:57.025 --> 01:28:03.380 She's like, yeah, well like When Jesus was crucified the angels roared and I'm like, 01:28:07.870 --> 01:28:08.680 I can't see it. 01:28:08.730 --> 01:28:10.180 I don't I don't get it Mm hmm. 01:28:10.900 --> 01:28:18.299 I just don't get it so I didn't get it for like a year and a half and then 01:28:18.300 --> 01:28:27.670 one day man, I got it and Now as a storyteller, she's not a storyteller. 01:28:27.670 --> 01:28:28.679 I'm the storyteller. 01:28:29.480 --> 01:28:33.475 So imagine if you were the Archangel and these, all these angels and, 01:28:33.505 --> 01:28:34.695 and, and what are you doing? 01:28:34.695 --> 01:28:38.415 You're seeing everything that's going on and you're, you're working with 01:28:38.415 --> 01:28:42.684 Jesus and you're, you're watching this joker and you're like, no, 01:28:42.684 --> 01:28:44.225 this, we can't let this happen. 01:28:44.705 --> 01:28:48.174 And you bring all these guys together and you say, listen, army 01:28:48.174 --> 01:28:53.634 of angels, we're going to go there and we're going to protect Jesus 01:28:53.665 --> 01:28:56.745 because he's, he's the man, you know? 01:28:58.065 --> 01:29:03.065 And, uh, Jesus is, is beat and he starts walking through the streets 01:29:03.065 --> 01:29:04.465 on the way to get crucified. 01:29:04.955 --> 01:29:12.694 And he locks eyes with Michael and he tells him through that 01:29:12.695 --> 01:29:16.475 stare, this got to happen. 01:29:18.974 --> 01:29:23.134 So you think about this, you think about your best friend or your wife 01:29:23.185 --> 01:29:27.105 or your child, or your, if you're a military guy like me, your commander, 01:29:27.105 --> 01:29:32.635 your sergeant major, you're going to go there and you're going to stand there. 01:29:33.380 --> 01:29:35.140 And watch them be executed. 01:29:38.380 --> 01:29:41.270 Think of what's going through their hearts as these angels. 01:29:42.040 --> 01:29:47.475 So when when Jesus finally died They roared. 01:29:50.105 --> 01:29:50.875 Very powerful. 01:29:50.885 --> 01:29:51.155 Is it? 01:29:51.775 --> 01:29:52.135 Yeah. 01:29:52.145 --> 01:29:54.265 Sadness, anger. 01:29:54.575 --> 01:29:55.135 What is it? 01:29:55.165 --> 01:29:56.275 You know, frustration. 01:29:56.775 --> 01:29:57.045 Yeah. 01:29:57.045 --> 01:29:57.895 They don't know. 01:29:57.905 --> 01:29:59.065 They don't know what it is. 01:29:59.385 --> 01:30:04.215 But when Jesus died, the world went dark. 01:30:04.705 --> 01:30:05.705 The earth shook. 01:30:06.930 --> 01:30:10.290 And what happened in the temple, the curtain was ripped 01:30:10.290 --> 01:30:11.580 from the top to the bottom. 01:30:15.140 --> 01:30:19.230 That's when that really sunk into me because as a Christian, I should 01:30:19.230 --> 01:30:21.980 have understood that I should have understood what that meant. 01:30:22.010 --> 01:30:26.469 I didn't understand what that meant till like a year and a half ago, the curtain 01:30:26.470 --> 01:30:33.920 ripped from the top to the bottom because now you don't have to separate those 01:30:33.950 --> 01:30:39.290 artifacts and this special area from us. 01:30:39.710 --> 01:30:42.310 Jesus died for our sins. 01:30:42.830 --> 01:30:44.500 We have direct access. 01:30:44.530 --> 01:30:49.289 We don't have to, we don't have to go through, you know, like I said, we don't 01:30:49.290 --> 01:30:52.420 have to go through the box of goodies and we don't have to go and kill a bunch 01:30:52.420 --> 01:30:55.520 of animals that Moses was told to do. 01:30:55.649 --> 01:30:58.120 We don't have to do that because that's what happened on that day. 01:30:58.120 --> 01:31:01.020 So, and I'm not trying to make people out there get all crazy 01:31:01.020 --> 01:31:02.720 about, Oh, this guy's a weirdo. 01:31:02.720 --> 01:31:05.240 He's thinking, no, you don't, I'm telling you a story. 01:31:05.570 --> 01:31:07.980 You can take it or leave it, but I'm going to tell it in a way that 01:31:07.990 --> 01:31:09.280 you're going to be like, Whoa. 01:31:09.905 --> 01:31:11.615 And at the end of it, you're going to be thinking. 01:31:13.530 --> 01:31:20.240 Man, I might need to check in on this Jesus, bro, and see what, you 01:31:20.240 --> 01:31:22.050 know, see what this guy's all about. 01:31:22.070 --> 01:31:24.040 And that's, once again, that's that one person. 01:31:24.040 --> 01:31:28.570 We need them to read that story and, and, uh, yeah, and 01:31:28.670 --> 01:31:29.950 some of it's pretty gruesome. 01:31:30.290 --> 01:31:36.300 Um, there's a guy, Benaiah, who's probably the baddest dude in the Bible. 01:31:36.995 --> 01:31:40.545 He's way badder than King David because he was out, he was 01:31:40.545 --> 01:31:42.005 doing the work of King David. 01:31:42.445 --> 01:31:46.924 Um, and then there's other people that are, are interesting, like 01:31:46.955 --> 01:31:51.114 Rahab, the prostitute in Jericho, who happens to be the great, great, 01:31:51.235 --> 01:31:54.415 great, great grandmother of King David. 01:31:55.075 --> 01:31:55.825 Mmm. 01:31:56.585 --> 01:31:57.785 And she was a strumpet. 01:31:58.925 --> 01:31:59.375 Right. 01:32:00.905 --> 01:32:05.955 Travis Bader: See, my rec I was just going to say my recollection of the, uh, of all 01:32:05.955 --> 01:32:07.985 of that, it's not nearly as good as yours. 01:32:08.035 --> 01:32:13.224 I, um, been, uh, uh, grew up going through the Catholic school system 01:32:13.224 --> 01:32:17.505 and, uh, elementary and high schools and the rest, but, uh, it'll be, 01:32:17.705 --> 01:32:22.505 it'll be very interesting to read your take and those stories on that. 01:32:22.515 --> 01:32:25.755 Cause that'll, uh, uh, there's, there's some stories there that I've completely 01:32:25.755 --> 01:32:26.635 Kyle Lamb: forgotten too. 01:32:27.445 --> 01:32:27.635 Yeah. 01:32:27.635 --> 01:32:28.935 And that's the thing we've all read. 01:32:28.965 --> 01:32:31.095 I mean, I've, I've read the Bible from front to rear. 01:32:31.095 --> 01:32:34.385 I did that too, cause I'd never done it before. 01:32:34.955 --> 01:32:38.915 And I read it and I was like, I didn't even, I don't remember this story. 01:32:38.915 --> 01:32:39.715 What is this? 01:32:40.155 --> 01:32:43.675 And you know, like Esther and Mordecai, that's a great story. 01:32:43.675 --> 01:32:48.854 That's in, in this book, Jael with the tent peg and Deborah, who was a very 01:32:48.854 --> 01:32:52.735 strong woman that all happened at the same time when Deborah and Barak met. 01:32:52.895 --> 01:32:54.895 And he's like, I'm not going into battle without you. 01:32:55.215 --> 01:32:56.835 That doesn't mean she was a warrior. 01:32:57.055 --> 01:33:04.025 That means that she was somebody that they needed for her, her direct line to God. 01:33:04.865 --> 01:33:05.265 So. 01:33:06.090 --> 01:33:09.390 You can't, you know, I'm not trying to make something out to be something. 01:33:09.390 --> 01:33:12.370 It's not like I had, uh, one of the things my wife read it. 01:33:12.370 --> 01:33:17.229 She's like, uh, no, Barack would not have touched her and she would not have 01:33:17.240 --> 01:33:23.049 touched him because at that point in the world, a man didn't touch a woman 01:33:23.049 --> 01:33:26.170 and a woman didn't, you know, that's how it was or the way their hair was 01:33:26.170 --> 01:33:28.580 done or, or any of this kind of stuff. 01:33:28.770 --> 01:33:32.760 And then when you think about, um, Esther and Mordecai, that this Jewish gal gets 01:33:32.760 --> 01:33:35.329 taken in to be the wife of King Xerxes. 01:33:35.725 --> 01:33:39.025 You know, she goes through the process and she gets selected from hundreds of 01:33:39.025 --> 01:33:44.315 other virgins to be the She must have been something special to be selected by 01:33:44.325 --> 01:33:49.070 Xerxes to be You know, that woman, and then what she ended up doing, it's, you 01:33:49.070 --> 01:33:53.810 know, she's like the behind the scenes guerrilla warfare lady on the inside, 01:33:54.010 --> 01:33:55.860 while Mordecai is doing his thing. 01:33:56.040 --> 01:33:59.059 And by the way, if you really want to stump people, the next time you order a 01:33:59.060 --> 01:34:02.649 Starbucks coffee and they ask you what your name is, just tell them Mordecai. 01:34:03.100 --> 01:34:06.600 And you will see some crazy spellings of Mordecai. 01:34:07.870 --> 01:34:11.040 Travis Bader: Well, being very conscious of your time and being a note guy 01:34:11.040 --> 01:34:14.590 as well, I got all these different things that I'd love to chat about. 01:34:14.950 --> 01:34:16.510 Kyle Lamb: But let's chat. 01:34:16.540 --> 01:34:17.730 I am in no hurry. 01:34:17.760 --> 01:34:19.290 So you tell me what you want to talk about. 01:34:19.810 --> 01:34:20.210 Travis Bader: Okay. 01:34:20.240 --> 01:34:26.480 Well, there's a question that, um, you talk about the shadows and you're clearly 01:34:26.480 --> 01:34:31.920 passionate about making sure that you can help other people, um, both in a 01:34:31.920 --> 01:34:38.540 leadership capacity, as well as a, um, uh, spiritual and mental wellbeing. 01:34:38.610 --> 01:34:40.930 Positivity is a very, um. 01:34:40.995 --> 01:34:45.735 Important thing for you, as it is for me, how do you deal with the shadows 01:34:45.765 --> 01:34:50.875 or what advice would you give somebody else that you have learned through your 01:34:50.875 --> 01:34:56.495 experiences that they might be able to apply to their own dark thoughts? 01:34:59.805 --> 01:35:01.045 Kyle Lamb: Oh my goodness. 01:35:03.215 --> 01:35:04.755 Looks like it's time for me to go. 01:35:09.865 --> 01:35:10.165 Yeah. 01:35:10.165 --> 01:35:13.185 So here's what I want. 01:35:13.375 --> 01:35:15.105 The first thing that I would say is. 01:35:15.655 --> 01:35:18.615 Everybody has that. 01:35:20.105 --> 01:35:20.815 Everybody. 01:35:20.925 --> 01:35:21.745 I don't care who you are. 01:35:21.755 --> 01:35:27.265 Everybody, unless you're completely brain dead, you, people have 01:35:27.275 --> 01:35:29.484 things that they have to deal with and how we get through that. 01:35:30.215 --> 01:35:31.785 Everybody handles it differently. 01:35:32.834 --> 01:35:34.535 So I'm going to, I'm going to address this. 01:35:35.135 --> 01:35:39.975 Maybe a little different than you might expect I hang around with a lot of law 01:35:39.975 --> 01:35:44.165 enforcement and military guys And they have a lot of struggles because of things 01:35:44.165 --> 01:35:49.354 they did do didn't do will do should have done You know I'm saying there's 01:35:49.355 --> 01:35:52.544 a lot of I should have done this should have done that at this point or I did 01:35:52.544 --> 01:35:55.045 this and I did that and that was the wrong decision or I did this and I did 01:35:55.045 --> 01:35:59.905 that it's right But I killed somebody or I maimed somebody or I I Should have 01:35:59.905 --> 01:36:02.445 ran out there and grabbed this guy and saved him or I should have you know 01:36:02.865 --> 01:36:06.930 There's a lot of that going on and as they talk about this You know they get 01:36:06.930 --> 01:36:10.430 together with their buddies and they're, they're, they're going down memory lane. 01:36:12.430 --> 01:36:16.660 Give me a, fill up a, give me a shot of liquor here. 01:36:17.430 --> 01:36:21.809 So they take that shot of liquor and they, they drink a depressant. 01:36:23.990 --> 01:36:27.709 And you think a depressant is going to help you get through a time like that? 01:36:28.000 --> 01:36:34.740 Like you think alcohol is going to give you some sort of right answer? 01:36:36.045 --> 01:36:37.875 I'm not going to buy that, okay? 01:36:37.875 --> 01:36:43.005 So one of the first things I tell guys is, why are you drinking? 01:36:43.695 --> 01:36:45.985 If you want to go out, if you can go out and have a beer with your buddies, 01:36:46.065 --> 01:36:47.014 that's not what I'm talking about. 01:36:47.025 --> 01:36:49.755 Or you work hard all day and you want to go have a beer or 01:36:50.025 --> 01:36:51.515 whatever your drink happens to be. 01:36:54.134 --> 01:36:56.915 But for me, it's got to be none of that. 01:36:58.140 --> 01:37:01.200 Because there's nothing, there's not one thing that I get out of 01:37:01.200 --> 01:37:03.620 alcohol that is positive in my life. 01:37:03.640 --> 01:37:05.020 It's not going to make my wife happy. 01:37:05.020 --> 01:37:06.570 It's not going to make me a better person. 01:37:06.789 --> 01:37:09.430 It's not going to make me feel better the next day when I'm on the range. 01:37:09.430 --> 01:37:10.699 It's not going to make me healthier. 01:37:11.370 --> 01:37:12.270 None of that. 01:37:12.530 --> 01:37:17.540 So that's one of the quickest ways I believe to deal with a shadow is 01:37:17.550 --> 01:37:21.400 not give in and, and drink that. 01:37:21.410 --> 01:37:23.969 So, so how do you, how do you not drink? 01:37:23.969 --> 01:37:26.490 Well, it's going to sound crazy, but just don't do it. 01:37:27.300 --> 01:37:31.509 You want to talk about a more impressive person, the person that steps up and says, 01:37:32.159 --> 01:37:36.640 I'm going to do what everybody else does, or the person that goes, no, I'm good. 01:37:38.140 --> 01:37:40.900 You don't have to say you don't drink, but I usually just say, no, I'm good. 01:37:40.900 --> 01:37:41.490 I don't drink. 01:37:41.680 --> 01:37:43.540 And people are like, Whoa, what do you mean you don't drink? 01:37:45.660 --> 01:37:46.990 It's not weird, bro. 01:37:46.990 --> 01:37:47.830 I don't drink. 01:37:47.889 --> 01:37:50.879 You don't know if I'm not doing that because I was an alcoholic, if I'm 01:37:50.880 --> 01:37:53.590 not doing that because you don't know, it's none of your business. 01:37:54.100 --> 01:37:55.260 I don't drink, period. 01:37:55.290 --> 01:37:55.780 That's it. 01:37:55.780 --> 01:37:59.160 So if we can get a young guy or young gal out there that is struggling, 01:37:59.360 --> 01:38:04.639 just to stop that one thing, then that, and I've seen this happen with 01:38:04.830 --> 01:38:07.020 hundreds of people in both directions. 01:38:07.600 --> 01:38:11.850 Drugs and alcohol and kill themselves, get off drugs and 01:38:11.850 --> 01:38:17.670 alcohol and be a vibrant, beautiful human being that's helping people. 01:38:18.720 --> 01:38:19.410 You know what I'm saying? 01:38:19.460 --> 01:38:22.950 And I, and I haven't even talked about the religious part of it, because 01:38:22.960 --> 01:38:28.279 that's, that's something that some guys will say, well, I'm very spiritual. 01:38:28.469 --> 01:38:28.729 Okay. 01:38:28.730 --> 01:38:30.179 What does that mean for me? 01:38:30.179 --> 01:38:33.440 Spiritual is I'm, I get to talk to my best friend who's Jesus and I 01:38:33.440 --> 01:38:35.529 can, we can have this discussion. 01:38:35.770 --> 01:38:39.599 And that's part of it too, because as my buddy says, my buddy, Johnny dog 01:38:39.609 --> 01:38:41.199 cone, he's an old fella from Utah. 01:38:41.320 --> 01:38:46.480 I grew up, he he's I grew up in South Dakota and he was this guy that he's just 01:38:46.480 --> 01:38:48.370 a character and we've become good friends. 01:38:48.370 --> 01:38:51.630 He really helped my mom when my dad passed away and him and his wife helped 01:38:51.630 --> 01:38:53.130 him and now his wife passed away. 01:38:53.130 --> 01:38:58.530 And he told me one day, he said, uh, when his wife was struggling with her. 01:38:58.850 --> 01:39:00.310 She had had a really bad stroke. 01:39:00.640 --> 01:39:04.860 He said, uh, yeah, sometimes I got to just stare at a rock and you know And 01:39:04.860 --> 01:39:09.120 sometimes I got to talk to Howard and I'm like talk to Howard who's Howard and 01:39:09.120 --> 01:39:11.540 he goes boy Don't you read the Bible? 01:39:11.540 --> 01:39:13.019 And I said, yeah, I've read the Bible. 01:39:13.020 --> 01:39:22.079 He goes says right in the Bible Howard be thy name It struck me that here's 01:39:22.079 --> 01:39:26.370 a guy who at the time was probably 78 years old because he's like 81 or 01:39:26.370 --> 01:39:35.140 82 right now Um, when he struggled, he didn't call me, he called somebody 01:39:35.140 --> 01:39:36.910 else and had that conversation. 01:39:38.250 --> 01:39:42.420 So whatever your spirituality is and you want to avoid that darkness, 01:39:42.610 --> 01:39:45.239 then, you know, be able to do that. 01:39:45.300 --> 01:39:49.069 The other thing I'm going to say is there's nothing 01:39:49.070 --> 01:39:50.500 wrong with a little darkness. 01:39:54.149 --> 01:39:57.969 I really believe there's not because I believe that in this, let's go 01:39:57.979 --> 01:39:59.689 back to what Jordan Peterson said. 01:40:01.245 --> 01:40:06.775 The only people that truly can be good people are those that 01:40:06.775 --> 01:40:08.375 have the ability to do evil. 01:40:09.585 --> 01:40:11.315 Yet they chose not to do it. 01:40:11.555 --> 01:40:16.005 They know how to use a sword, and they carry it every day, but they 01:40:16.070 --> 01:40:21.160 They choose to keep it in the sheath. 01:40:21.200 --> 01:40:23.820 And that's, you know, I have these, I have thoughts and I look 01:40:23.820 --> 01:40:26.400 at things and how would I attack this and how would I do that? 01:40:27.410 --> 01:40:32.870 You know, and so those are, there's some dark thoughts, but I'm on 01:40:32.870 --> 01:40:34.580 the, I'm on the side of the good. 01:40:34.589 --> 01:40:37.679 So at least currently I am. 01:40:37.889 --> 01:40:39.640 Some other people may say that I'm not. 01:40:40.800 --> 01:40:43.130 And then on the other, the other part of it is. 01:40:44.155 --> 01:40:50.445 Um, there is a guy that was my team leader in Somalia, John Hale, and 01:40:50.445 --> 01:40:58.685 he is one of the greatest leaders I ever worked with, worked for, and I 01:40:58.695 --> 01:41:00.445 still have the utmost respect for him. 01:41:01.565 --> 01:41:03.914 And I'm not going to go down the rabbit hole, but I'm just going to 01:41:03.914 --> 01:41:07.845 say this, John took his own life. 01:41:10.535 --> 01:41:12.114 And that makes me really sad. 01:41:13.025 --> 01:41:15.665 That doesn't make him less of a man. 01:41:15.815 --> 01:41:17.565 It doesn't make him less of a great. 01:41:17.990 --> 01:41:18.520 leader. 01:41:20.300 --> 01:41:22.040 It shouldn't diminish any of that. 01:41:22.050 --> 01:41:26.590 He, he felt like he needed to do that to relieve those around him 01:41:26.630 --> 01:41:28.190 of the struggles he was having. 01:41:28.780 --> 01:41:30.639 That's, that's how he felt. 01:41:30.859 --> 01:41:32.309 And I, you know, I've talked to his brothers. 01:41:32.309 --> 01:41:35.639 His brother was kind of pissed at me and we had this conversation. 01:41:35.640 --> 01:41:41.409 He really changed my mind about how I would view what John had done. 01:41:42.209 --> 01:41:43.629 So, okay, that happens. 01:41:43.629 --> 01:41:46.660 Well, he was a team leader in Somalia a couple months ago. 01:41:46.660 --> 01:41:48.620 Another one of our team leaders in Somalia. 01:41:48.980 --> 01:41:54.270 killed himself and the only other team leader for that 01:41:54.280 --> 01:41:58.205 troop He got killed in Somalia. 01:41:58.205 --> 01:42:01.125 So of all the three team leaders in one of the troops, 01:42:01.445 --> 01:42:02.695 all three of them are now dead. 01:42:02.705 --> 01:42:06.274 One, because he was killed by the bad guys and on a mortar 01:42:06.275 --> 01:42:07.995 attack after the 3rd of October. 01:42:08.425 --> 01:42:10.814 And two guys, because they took their own lives. 01:42:11.445 --> 01:42:16.120 So when that happened, I called up Another one of the guys who is, and I'm not going 01:42:16.120 --> 01:42:19.190 to tell you his name, but I called him up because he's was very good friends 01:42:19.190 --> 01:42:20.840 with the last guy that killed himself. 01:42:21.520 --> 01:42:23.750 And I said, man, just thinking about, you know, and he goes, 01:42:23.750 --> 01:42:24.570 let me tell you something. 01:42:24.570 --> 01:42:28.700 If you ever hear that I killed myself, you better call the 01:42:28.710 --> 01:42:30.390 cops and start an investigation. 01:42:30.790 --> 01:42:34.094 He goes, because dudes like you and me are not going to do something like that. 01:42:36.115 --> 01:42:42.165 And when he said that, he gave me ownership like crap, because 01:42:42.165 --> 01:42:43.785 I've had some dark thoughts. 01:42:45.205 --> 01:42:48.154 But I can't do that because other people are depending on me. 01:42:48.734 --> 01:42:51.274 We can't, we, we, we can't do that. 01:42:51.274 --> 01:42:54.185 If you want to keep leading, keep leading. 01:42:55.814 --> 01:42:56.754 You have dark thoughts. 01:42:56.754 --> 01:42:57.345 That's fine. 01:42:57.354 --> 01:42:57.994 Why? 01:42:58.065 --> 01:43:00.405 Tell me what you're fixing by killing yourself. 01:43:00.895 --> 01:43:03.355 Tell me what you're fixing by doing something. 01:43:03.375 --> 01:43:04.215 I don't know what it would be. 01:43:04.215 --> 01:43:04.845 I mean, if you want to. 01:43:05.565 --> 01:43:06.475 Go out with a bang. 01:43:06.475 --> 01:43:11.165 I got better ways for you to do it than to, you know, to, to hurt yourself. 01:43:11.585 --> 01:43:14.985 Um, so I guess, I don't know. 01:43:14.985 --> 01:43:15.864 I, I, uh, 01:43:19.365 --> 01:43:19.694 I don't know. 01:43:19.695 --> 01:43:29.375 It's, it's a, it's, it's kind of, it's a tricky one, you know, I wrote a, I wrote 01:43:29.375 --> 01:43:34.614 a poem kind of about that and it, uh, 01:43:37.954 --> 01:43:42.555 it was at a kind of a very rough time I was having and at that 01:43:42.555 --> 01:43:45.665 point, maybe not at that point. 01:43:46.400 --> 01:43:52.430 Within six months of that, I realized a lot of things that were causing it, 01:43:53.070 --> 01:43:55.640 and I just took those out of my life. 01:43:56.660 --> 01:44:00.689 And the things that were causing it for me were going down memory lane. 01:44:02.119 --> 01:44:04.790 I can tell the story in a clinical environment. 01:44:04.819 --> 01:44:07.079 When I get up and do a leadership seminar, I'm doing a seminar. 01:44:07.079 --> 01:44:12.880 I'm still very emotionally invested in that seminar, but I'm not with 01:44:12.880 --> 01:44:16.710 the people I was there with and going and Listen to this and then alcohol 01:44:16.710 --> 01:44:18.060 is involved and all that stuff. 01:44:18.440 --> 01:44:22.150 And when I had this bad experience it was right after one of those reunions 01:44:22.150 --> 01:44:25.630 and we went back to, um, we actually went back because some of the guys were 01:44:25.630 --> 01:44:28.220 getting upgraded some of their awards. 01:44:28.220 --> 01:44:29.890 We had got upgraded previously. 01:44:29.890 --> 01:44:33.389 I got upgraded to a Silver Star like six months before that and then we went back 01:44:33.389 --> 01:44:40.570 and some guys were getting upgraded to the Distinguished Service Cross and it just, 01:44:40.610 --> 01:44:47.045 man it really, it it It really hit me and we left before the ceremony even started. 01:44:47.045 --> 01:44:47.695 I just left. 01:44:47.725 --> 01:44:49.305 And then I was like, why did I leave? 01:44:49.315 --> 01:44:50.265 I'm a terrible person. 01:44:50.635 --> 01:44:53.525 It's not like I can go back and redo this because it's never happening again. 01:44:53.525 --> 01:44:55.115 And I started beating myself up for that. 01:44:55.454 --> 01:44:58.615 And then finally, I'm like, what am I doing? 01:44:59.594 --> 01:45:03.034 If it's if I'm not made a better person by going to that reunion, 01:45:03.755 --> 01:45:04.965 you know, I'll give you an example. 01:45:05.475 --> 01:45:08.225 And you were never in the military, right? 01:45:08.865 --> 01:45:09.165 No. 01:45:10.305 --> 01:45:10.595 Okay. 01:45:10.595 --> 01:45:13.685 So let's, let's go back to your high school reunion. 01:45:14.145 --> 01:45:17.375 Let's say that, and I've never been to a high school reunion. 01:45:17.775 --> 01:45:24.375 So if you went to a high school reunion, why would you go? 01:45:24.645 --> 01:45:27.445 If you would go because you want to see your friends and have a good 01:45:27.445 --> 01:45:29.895 time, man, I'd say you should go. 01:45:30.985 --> 01:45:33.895 If you want to go just to see if you're better than everybody 01:45:33.895 --> 01:45:36.195 else, you shouldn't go. 01:45:36.765 --> 01:45:37.195 I agree. 01:45:37.205 --> 01:45:39.555 If you want to go to make fun of other people. 01:45:40.390 --> 01:45:43.670 You shouldn't go if you're gonna go there and it's gonna bring back 01:45:43.700 --> 01:45:49.070 memories that were bad Maybe you were that kid that was beat up or who knows? 01:45:49.719 --> 01:45:52.979 Then don't go don't if it's not gonna make you a better person. 01:45:53.059 --> 01:45:56.449 Don't be part of that You know, that's difficult because a lot of people are 01:45:56.449 --> 01:46:00.830 pushing us in directions and you don't need to go don't go Don't don't let 01:46:00.830 --> 01:46:06.970 anybody tell you to go and hurt yourself and I'm not talking about like physically 01:46:06.970 --> 01:46:14.820 I'm talking like mentally I had to realize that too, like with my family, not my 01:46:14.820 --> 01:46:20.640 immediate family, cause my immediate family is five star awesome, but some 01:46:20.640 --> 01:46:26.710 of my other family, I realized like every time, every time I'm going to talk 01:46:26.710 --> 01:46:28.779 to them, I have to reach out to them. 01:46:29.680 --> 01:46:31.040 They never reach out to me. 01:46:31.040 --> 01:46:36.270 And then when I get done, I always feel like I've done something wrong, man. 01:46:36.270 --> 01:46:37.500 I feel so much better. 01:46:38.310 --> 01:46:40.160 I haven't talked to any of those people in years. 01:46:40.680 --> 01:46:41.980 And I'm the better for it. 01:46:42.720 --> 01:46:44.860 So that doesn't mean they're bad people because I think they're good 01:46:44.860 --> 01:46:46.740 people, but we're not good together. 01:46:47.100 --> 01:46:48.320 So I'm just not going to do it. 01:46:48.690 --> 01:46:51.490 So that's, that's what I, that's my advice. 01:46:53.410 --> 01:46:54.460 I, that's my advice. 01:46:55.499 --> 01:46:57.869 And I'll tell you one more thing. 01:46:57.909 --> 01:47:01.600 And I've said this in some other podcasts and other, other interviews I've done. 01:47:03.210 --> 01:47:09.150 If you get up in the morning and you think about somebody other than yourself, 01:47:10.310 --> 01:47:11.840 you're probably going to have a good day. 01:47:12.690 --> 01:47:13.540 So what does that mean? 01:47:13.550 --> 01:47:14.480 You get out of bed. 01:47:14.855 --> 01:47:17.685 And you stretch out a little bit, go for a walk or work to 01:47:17.695 --> 01:47:19.145 the gym or whatever you do. 01:47:19.585 --> 01:47:22.685 And then you just think about, how can I help somebody else out? 01:47:23.115 --> 01:47:24.564 And I'm not talking about money. 01:47:24.715 --> 01:47:26.875 I'm not talking about going and doing their track, you 01:47:26.875 --> 01:47:27.855 know, dumping their trash. 01:47:27.855 --> 01:47:31.274 I mean, you could do any of that stuff if you need to do that, but it 01:47:31.275 --> 01:47:33.624 might be as simple as reaching out to one of your friends and saying, 01:47:33.625 --> 01:47:34.955 Hey man, I'm just thinking about you. 01:47:36.435 --> 01:47:38.245 Hey, man, wanted to see how you're doing everything. 01:47:38.565 --> 01:47:39.495 How's the family doing? 01:47:42.315 --> 01:47:45.495 You may not think that's gonna help you I know it's gonna help them But at 01:47:45.725 --> 01:47:49.445 the end of the day that's gonna also fill your cup up and if you'll start 01:47:49.445 --> 01:47:53.254 thinking about other people and having a mission You know, I think that military 01:47:53.255 --> 01:47:57.304 guys suffer because they don't have a mission anymore they were they had 01:47:57.305 --> 01:48:02.735 just as many dark devils living inside their heart before and But they're able 01:48:02.735 --> 01:48:05.675 to focus on a mission with a group of people and accomplish that mission. 01:48:05.955 --> 01:48:07.255 Well, what's your mission now? 01:48:07.635 --> 01:48:09.445 You have a mission you're all over the map. 01:48:09.525 --> 01:48:13.295 I mean, bro, you're you're doing all kinds of crazy stuff I'm doing all 01:48:13.295 --> 01:48:15.004 kinds of crazy stuff Why do I do that? 01:48:15.004 --> 01:48:19.405 because if I don't do that then I get inside my own head again and I start 01:48:19.425 --> 01:48:24.005 having I do bad things when i'm when i'm not busy when i'm not focused on a 01:48:24.005 --> 01:48:28.730 project whether it's writing a book And I was going to say, one of the things we're 01:48:28.800 --> 01:48:33.420 about to do, Dirty Cephalion, there's some guys that do this podcast and they 01:48:34.790 --> 01:48:38.600 They invited me to come on and talk about some of the books I've been reading and 01:48:38.600 --> 01:48:44.000 the first stack of books that I'm Gonna talk about is about Rogers Rangers and 01:48:44.730 --> 01:48:48.049 and that's exciting to me so now I'm putting my energy into making sure I 01:48:48.050 --> 01:48:52.159 got all my data correct or at least I can tell the story and Talk about these 01:48:52.159 --> 01:48:55.539 different books and then we've we've actually put a new thing on our website 01:48:55.559 --> 01:48:59.690 under podcasts So people can click on that go there and see this recommended book 01:48:59.690 --> 01:49:03.675 list click on the books and immediately go to Amazon to buy the books and Which 01:49:03.705 --> 01:49:06.645 I mean, we're going to get a little tiny portion of that, but you're going 01:49:06.645 --> 01:49:07.895 to get the book for the same price. 01:49:07.895 --> 01:49:10.105 If you're going to buy it, just go on there and buy it that way. 01:49:10.565 --> 01:49:12.525 We're also doing a section on there for equipment. 01:49:12.535 --> 01:49:17.164 So this, we literally just started this process a few weeks ago and it's now live. 01:49:17.165 --> 01:49:19.314 So if you see the podcast thing, you can click on that. 01:49:19.514 --> 01:49:20.804 It might actually say. 01:49:21.185 --> 01:49:24.595 Um, blog beside that now too, but I know it says podcast. 01:49:24.605 --> 01:49:25.205 You click on that. 01:49:25.205 --> 01:49:25.975 It'll go on there. 01:49:26.275 --> 01:49:27.845 And man, I'm excited. 01:49:27.845 --> 01:49:30.575 That's a new thing that I've got to do this next week on Tuesday. 01:49:30.615 --> 01:49:31.694 I've got to get going. 01:49:31.695 --> 01:49:35.535 I've got to have my notes and be squared away and do this presentation for these 01:49:35.535 --> 01:49:38.455 guys and, and make yourself uncomfortable. 01:49:38.455 --> 01:49:41.355 If you get uncomfortable, you won't have time to worry about the dark side. 01:49:41.905 --> 01:49:44.215 Cause you'll be worried about the light side, you know, just trying 01:49:44.215 --> 01:49:45.785 to do things and get it done. 01:49:45.785 --> 01:49:48.815 But anyway, so I'll, uh, what's your next question? 01:49:49.795 --> 01:49:52.035 Well, man, you got some time. 01:49:52.035 --> 01:49:53.595 If I answered that one good enough. 01:49:54.165 --> 01:49:54.985 Travis Bader: Yeah, you did. 01:49:55.035 --> 01:49:55.615 You did. 01:49:55.655 --> 01:49:58.215 And well, the other one was what, what gets you up? 01:49:58.215 --> 01:49:59.405 What gets you motivated? 01:50:00.655 --> 01:50:03.905 And it, part of that's got to be all these different projects that you have. 01:50:05.555 --> 01:50:05.755 Kyle Lamb: Yeah. 01:50:05.755 --> 01:50:07.035 Every day it's something different. 01:50:07.035 --> 01:50:09.295 And I I'd say that you, you got to have a mission. 01:50:09.740 --> 01:50:13.340 So you call it a project and I call it a mission like my mission is to 01:50:13.340 --> 01:50:16.350 finish these five daggers I'm working on and I've got these two integrals. 01:50:16.350 --> 01:50:20.300 I'm working on I got a couple of tomahawks I'm working on and that's a lot of stuff. 01:50:20.300 --> 01:50:25.600 But once again, I'm I used to say I'm a scatological thinker But then I found 01:50:25.600 --> 01:50:29.580 out that scatological actually means the study of poop and that's not exactly what 01:50:29.580 --> 01:50:34.670 I intended for that to mean So my brain is going in all these different directions. 01:50:34.940 --> 01:50:37.830 I've got to have a different project or a different mission. 01:50:37.830 --> 01:50:41.880 So right now my mission is that podcast to get that done next week. 01:50:42.270 --> 01:50:46.179 Um, the mission after that then is I leave to go shoot a NRL Hunter 01:50:46.180 --> 01:50:48.320 match in Alabama, a long range match. 01:50:48.720 --> 01:50:53.430 Um, my mission after that is I head to Florida to jump out of planes for a couple 01:50:53.430 --> 01:50:57.530 of days to get recertified so that I can go jump into Normandy, France in June. 01:50:57.945 --> 01:51:01.935 So, so you see, I have a lot of things that are going on. 01:51:03.275 --> 01:51:07.485 If you would have said, go right before Thanksgiving, what are you focusing on? 01:51:07.504 --> 01:51:10.925 Well, I'm focusing on setting up blinds when my grandson comes 01:51:10.925 --> 01:51:12.574 here, we can hunt deer together. 01:51:13.000 --> 01:51:14.260 And my wife was right there with me. 01:51:14.260 --> 01:51:17.020 We're setting up game cameras and trying to figure out where these deer are at. 01:51:17.280 --> 01:51:20.120 And then Thanksgiving rolls in and he kills this awesome buck. 01:51:20.390 --> 01:51:22.730 I mean, that was my mission. 01:51:22.730 --> 01:51:24.059 Like we got to get this dude to kill. 01:51:24.090 --> 01:51:25.190 I never thought he'd kill a buck. 01:51:25.190 --> 01:51:26.249 I thought he'd kill a doe. 01:51:26.710 --> 01:51:32.640 So we were, he kills this buck and we go find it ran like 50 yards and he goes, 01:51:32.640 --> 01:51:33.880 grandpa, we got to cut his head off. 01:51:33.890 --> 01:51:37.620 And I'm like, Denver, we're going to harvest the meat. 01:51:37.620 --> 01:51:40.210 And, but you know, I'm like, he goes, yeah, yeah, I know all that, but we 01:51:40.210 --> 01:51:42.499 got to cut his head off because I got to hang his head on the wall. 01:51:43.130 --> 01:51:45.180 And I went, we never talked about that. 01:51:45.180 --> 01:51:47.770 My wife and I were like, this is crazy. 01:51:47.770 --> 01:51:50.370 We never talked about it because we always thought he'd shoot a doe. 01:51:50.830 --> 01:51:51.900 Well now he shot a buck. 01:51:51.920 --> 01:51:52.980 He still wants the meat. 01:51:52.990 --> 01:51:55.299 He still wants all that and be respectful of the animal. 01:51:55.299 --> 01:51:59.370 But he looks in my office and he sees all these animals hanging on the wall and he's 01:51:59.370 --> 01:52:02.169 like, I kind of like grandpa's office. 01:52:02.170 --> 01:52:03.709 I want one of those hanging in my house. 01:52:04.060 --> 01:52:04.750 In my room. 01:52:04.750 --> 01:52:09.330 So we got, you know, I'm getting the, the, uh, European done there. 01:52:09.330 --> 01:52:12.100 So he can have that and keep that for the rest of his life. 01:52:12.110 --> 01:52:17.090 Cause I mean, everybody I've ever talked to, everybody remembers the first deer 01:52:17.090 --> 01:52:20.219 they killed, they may not remember the fifth or the 10th or the 20th, but that 01:52:20.220 --> 01:52:22.709 first deer, they're going to remember. 01:52:22.709 --> 01:52:25.690 So that gun now it's his, that AR 15 that he killed that deer with. 01:52:25.700 --> 01:52:26.530 That's going to be his. 01:52:27.490 --> 01:52:30.270 So for me, that's what gets me up every day. 01:52:30.270 --> 01:52:30.930 Something different. 01:52:32.060 --> 01:52:32.350 And I 01:52:32.350 --> 01:52:36.270 Travis Bader: like that, you know, for me having, like you say, a 01:52:36.270 --> 01:52:39.530 mission, a project, something that I'm working towards the progressive 01:52:39.530 --> 01:52:41.290 realization of a worthy ideal. 01:52:41.300 --> 01:52:43.390 What do I think is worthy? 01:52:44.660 --> 01:52:46.820 But there's also a cycle that I find, okay. 01:52:46.820 --> 01:52:48.239 I get to a certain point in something. 01:52:48.240 --> 01:52:48.740 I've got it. 01:52:48.740 --> 01:52:49.569 I've got it understood. 01:52:49.569 --> 01:52:50.249 What's the next thing? 01:52:50.309 --> 01:52:51.109 What's the next thing? 01:52:51.719 --> 01:52:59.339 Um, are you able to stop and just not require that next mission? 01:52:59.459 --> 01:53:01.279 Are you able to, in my. 01:53:01.855 --> 01:53:05.375 Cause I, I'm positive that you are appreciative for everything you have 01:53:05.375 --> 01:53:09.825 and you're appreciative for, for where you're at, but it comes back to 01:53:10.015 --> 01:53:13.395 like, there's a saying Rockefeller, he was talked to by a reporter. 01:53:13.395 --> 01:53:14.725 It's like, man, you got so much money. 01:53:14.725 --> 01:53:15.475 How much do you need? 01:53:15.485 --> 01:53:17.034 He's like, Oh, just 1 more. 01:53:17.055 --> 01:53:17.445 Right. 01:53:20.395 --> 01:53:22.544 For him, that was the process. 01:53:22.585 --> 01:53:23.825 That was what he lived for. 01:53:24.825 --> 01:53:28.775 Is there a common theme or trend to all of your missions that you 01:53:28.775 --> 01:53:35.274 have lead to an overarching, um, I guess North star that would. 01:53:36.100 --> 01:53:39.460 See you constantly moving towards something without having the 01:53:39.460 --> 01:53:41.990 feeling of, okay, I've done it. 01:53:41.990 --> 01:53:42.400 Now what? 01:53:44.850 --> 01:53:46.150 Kyle Lamb: Yeah, I don't, I don't. 01:53:46.910 --> 01:53:49.010 So first of all, I don't have any bucket lists. 01:53:51.150 --> 01:53:53.880 I don't have a bucket list cause I've done everything I've ever wanted to do. 01:53:54.060 --> 01:53:56.790 And I never had a bucket list to begin with because I just said, Oh, 01:53:57.320 --> 01:53:58.689 either I said, or my wife said it. 01:53:58.690 --> 01:54:01.010 My wife said, why don't you try this special forces thing? 01:54:01.460 --> 01:54:02.360 Well, I don't know if I can do it. 01:54:02.360 --> 01:54:04.290 And she goes, well, you never know until you try. 01:54:05.030 --> 01:54:05.690 So I did it. 01:54:05.900 --> 01:54:08.580 Well, then I went to the unit and then I did this and then I did that. 01:54:08.580 --> 01:54:08.890 Well. 01:54:10.900 --> 01:54:14.750 I just know I'm completely here. 01:54:14.800 --> 01:54:15.930 Let me ask you this question. 01:54:15.940 --> 01:54:20.530 Maybe this will answer it better for you My brother in law got cancer and 01:54:20.530 --> 01:54:24.089 for he had the it was his third time on cancer and they they told me had 01:54:24.090 --> 01:54:27.539 six months to live He ended live in like two years, but he still passed 01:54:27.539 --> 01:54:31.080 away So my wife and I were sitting here one day and I said man, can you 01:54:31.080 --> 01:54:35.040 imagine you're given six months to live? 01:54:36.000 --> 01:54:40.520 I mean, what would you do and I'm asking you this question. 01:54:41.070 --> 01:54:41.590 Mm hmm. 01:54:41.599 --> 01:54:42.830 What would you do? 01:54:44.215 --> 01:54:46.515 If you had six months left to live, 01:54:47.965 --> 01:54:49.135 Travis Bader: are we going to go to the dark side? 01:54:49.545 --> 01:54:51.435 Kyle Lamb: Well, I just want you to think about it. 01:54:51.435 --> 01:54:53.535 I want the people out there to think like, what would you do? 01:54:53.575 --> 01:54:54.625 You know what my wife said? 01:54:55.575 --> 01:54:57.314 She said, I'm already doing it. 01:54:59.475 --> 01:55:03.615 And you know what I said to myself, I said, I'm not doing it. 01:55:05.604 --> 01:55:13.865 That's that him die and change my life because you should live every day. 01:55:13.865 --> 01:55:15.875 Like you got six months left to live. 01:55:19.305 --> 01:55:21.455 If I die tomorrow, I'm completely happy. 01:55:22.020 --> 01:55:29.940 You probably are too, but why do we why I don't know that if you go around 01:55:29.940 --> 01:55:34.040 every day thinking You're scared of dying and actually this is my son asked 01:55:34.040 --> 01:55:38.660 me this one time We were we were out at Fort Lewis, Washington, and I just 01:55:38.660 --> 01:55:42.990 got called back to the unit I'm we're going and We had a hot tub out back of 01:55:42.990 --> 01:55:45.930 our we lived on this river and we'd get up in the morning and hit that hot Tub 01:55:45.930 --> 01:55:50.160 and then we would we hit the river hit the hot tub and then we were plunging 01:55:50.160 --> 01:55:58.645 before plunging was cool You know and he goes Dad, aren't you afraid of dying? 01:55:58.675 --> 01:56:01.095 Because I was going to go back and go right to Iraq and be a troop 01:56:01.095 --> 01:56:02.945 sergeant major and lead guys in combat. 01:56:03.235 --> 01:56:04.495 He goes, aren't you afraid of dying? 01:56:04.495 --> 01:56:06.534 And I, I looked at him and I didn't even think about it. 01:56:06.535 --> 01:56:08.845 I said, no, I'm afraid of not living. 01:56:11.225 --> 01:56:16.744 So, no, I got, I, I changed. 01:56:17.840 --> 01:56:22.680 I've changed my complete thought process and that's what 01:56:22.750 --> 01:56:24.020 I think everybody should do. 01:56:24.020 --> 01:56:25.170 I don't care what your age is. 01:56:25.440 --> 01:56:27.300 If you had six months to live, what would you do? 01:56:27.320 --> 01:56:28.940 Does that mean you would just blow all your money? 01:56:29.140 --> 01:56:29.400 Okay. 01:56:29.400 --> 01:56:30.649 That's not what I'm talking about. 01:56:30.650 --> 01:56:34.749 What I'm talking about is like, what, what would you, who would you want to spend 01:56:34.750 --> 01:56:36.959 the last six months of your life with? 01:56:38.479 --> 01:56:41.340 Then you better daggum do that right now. 01:56:42.660 --> 01:56:43.200 You know what I'm saying? 01:56:43.200 --> 01:56:44.570 Is that six months for me? 01:56:45.690 --> 01:56:46.090 Yeah. 01:56:46.100 --> 01:56:46.830 It's, it's family. 01:56:46.830 --> 01:56:46.850 Yeah. 01:56:46.999 --> 01:56:47.460 I mean my. 01:56:47.905 --> 01:56:49.285 Yeah, my family, that's, that's it. 01:56:49.285 --> 01:56:52.255 There's, there's, there's a few people I want to be with too. 01:56:52.255 --> 01:56:59.805 But my, my, my, my focus would be my wife, my grandkids, and then my children. 01:57:01.135 --> 01:57:04.205 If you don't have grandkids, you may not understand that, but grandkids are 01:57:04.205 --> 01:57:06.694 a special, they're a special thing. 01:57:06.695 --> 01:57:13.855 So that's the, that's the thing that really changed my outlook on, I don't 01:57:13.855 --> 01:57:17.065 know, I didn't know how we got on that question, but that that's been, 01:57:17.365 --> 01:57:20.435 man, that's been a big thing to me. 01:57:21.705 --> 01:57:22.015 Yeah. 01:57:22.515 --> 01:57:24.265 Because I don't know what I was living for before. 01:57:24.265 --> 01:57:26.745 I mean, I was thinking maybe it was the money or maybe it was the 01:57:26.745 --> 01:57:29.515 fame or the, I mean, I don't know. 01:57:30.645 --> 01:57:33.035 There's no, what am I trying to do? 01:57:33.035 --> 01:57:35.375 Well, I just, now it's, it's simple. 01:57:36.094 --> 01:57:38.594 I want to spend more time with my wife and I'm doing that. 01:57:38.594 --> 01:57:39.604 We're traveling more together. 01:57:39.605 --> 01:57:40.435 We're doing stuff. 01:57:40.935 --> 01:57:43.344 Um, I've backed off on my training schedule. 01:57:43.655 --> 01:57:45.835 Now there's certain things, you know, if you don't have enough money in the 01:57:45.835 --> 01:57:49.185 bank to pay your bills, then you better dig them, get out there and work hard. 01:57:49.465 --> 01:57:51.955 But when you're done working, go home to your family, go home to 01:57:51.955 --> 01:57:54.265 the people that love you and are there supporting you every day. 01:57:54.950 --> 01:57:56.300 You know, and that's the other thing too. 01:57:56.510 --> 01:58:00.130 One thing I really, come to me one day, I was asked to speak in a church. 01:58:00.620 --> 01:58:01.880 And I was like, man, I don't know about this. 01:58:01.880 --> 01:58:02.980 I'm gonna get struck by lightning. 01:58:02.980 --> 01:58:09.520 And as I was speaking, something come to me and I said, my son is an awesome dude. 01:58:11.469 --> 01:58:13.330 Why would I treat my son 01:58:16.500 --> 01:58:20.040 Less better than I would a complete stranger on the street. 01:58:23.900 --> 01:58:27.130 You better pull your head out of your butt, and that's your son, that's 01:58:27.130 --> 01:58:30.099 your daughter, that's your wife, that's your kids, your grand, whoever. 01:58:30.250 --> 01:58:31.850 That's your mom, your dad, or whoever. 01:58:33.069 --> 01:58:37.559 If you do not put them on a pedestal, there's something wrong 01:58:37.559 --> 01:58:40.190 with you because that person on the street could, could care less. 01:58:40.360 --> 01:58:43.330 They might like you right now, but once, like I said before, if you 01:58:43.330 --> 01:58:46.350 do something bad, they're going to completely throw you under the bus, 01:58:46.570 --> 01:58:49.890 whereas your family's going to stick with you through thick and through thin. 01:58:49.900 --> 01:58:52.415 And so Yeah. 01:58:52.415 --> 01:58:55.615 Your kids, you want 'em to be the best, but treat them with 01:58:56.325 --> 01:59:02.165 respect and, and ad admiration, and they're gonna return the favor. 01:59:02.735 --> 01:59:10.865 And you know, when you're, I'm 56 years old and I can tell you without a shadow 01:59:10.865 --> 01:59:13.665 of a doubt, both my children love me. 01:59:16.595 --> 01:59:20.495 So if you can say that, and I can, obviously, I say that back to them. 01:59:20.500 --> 01:59:20.810 Mm-Hmm. 01:59:21.170 --> 01:59:24.345 , if you can say that, then you're, then you're doing the right thing. 01:59:24.345 --> 01:59:28.795 If, if, if there's a question, then you better get it right because. 01:59:29.810 --> 01:59:32.610 They're more important than any person you're going to meet on the street. 01:59:33.300 --> 01:59:35.660 I don't care how important that person is. 01:59:36.510 --> 01:59:36.980 So 01:59:37.880 --> 01:59:41.900 Travis Bader: familiarity will breed complacency and people become close and 01:59:41.900 --> 01:59:45.100 familiar with their family and they're like, Oh, they'll be here tomorrow. 01:59:46.060 --> 01:59:49.860 And, you know, there's a reason why my children have never seen 01:59:50.190 --> 01:59:51.950 some of my family members, right. 01:59:51.990 --> 01:59:56.780 There's, um, like you say, I'm going to pass podcast guests. 01:59:56.780 --> 01:59:59.060 He says, you know, sometimes it's time to just pull the weeds. 01:59:59.150 --> 02:00:01.430 Is it bringing you positivity into your life? 02:00:01.650 --> 02:00:01.850 Right. 02:00:02.440 --> 02:00:07.460 And then we use, um, every day we remind ourselves the most 02:00:07.460 --> 02:00:10.560 important thing, most important resource that we have is our time. 02:00:10.900 --> 02:00:14.130 The only thing that makes that important is death, that's what 02:00:14.140 --> 02:00:18.580 gives life value because now you have a finite amount of it. 02:00:20.030 --> 02:00:21.690 How are we spending that time? 02:00:21.690 --> 02:00:21.730 And. 02:00:23.015 --> 02:00:28.575 It's that level of being present for those that you care about is, I think, 02:00:28.575 --> 02:00:32.285 the biggest gift that you can give yourself and that you can give them. 02:00:32.805 --> 02:00:35.075 So I'm, I'm a hundred percent on board with what you're 02:00:35.075 --> 02:00:35.595 Kyle Lamb: saying there. 02:00:37.205 --> 02:00:38.355 I have a question too. 02:00:38.355 --> 02:00:39.475 I was thinking about that. 02:00:39.825 --> 02:00:41.015 You said something there and I want it. 02:00:41.065 --> 02:00:44.035 I wanted to ask this when you said it before, but I want to ask it now. 02:00:44.425 --> 02:00:46.205 Earlier, earlier, you made that statement on leadership. 02:00:51.185 --> 02:00:54.055 Travis Bader: I was in a army cadet program here in Canada 02:00:54.065 --> 02:00:56.055 and it did a lot for me. 02:00:56.125 --> 02:01:02.225 Um, I was going down a path that, um, wasn't positive. 02:01:02.245 --> 02:01:04.875 There's a reason why I got kicked out of a number of schools and. 02:01:05.730 --> 02:01:10.420 Uh, it was, I was going in a direction that, uh, was just going to end up 02:01:10.420 --> 02:01:14.780 in jail probably in the longterm, not because I was doing bad things, but I 02:01:14.780 --> 02:01:21.690 was, uh, oppositional in my thinking, uh, I didn't fit in with the, um, uh, 02:01:21.710 --> 02:01:26.080 the established structure and the school system, and you got into the army cadet 02:01:26.100 --> 02:01:31.510 program and a lot of those traits were, um, We're looked upon fondly, right? 02:01:31.540 --> 02:01:35.850 Not, not necessarily being oppositional, but being able to think 02:01:35.860 --> 02:01:39.530 outside, find creative solutions in order to, uh, to get the job done. 02:01:39.550 --> 02:01:44.930 So, um, uh, gave me a sense of community and purpose and structure 02:01:44.960 --> 02:01:47.750 that, uh, I think was very important. 02:01:50.020 --> 02:01:50.250 Kyle Lamb: Yeah. 02:01:50.250 --> 02:01:58.040 And that's what I found was when I joined the military, I found my tribe, right. 02:01:58.060 --> 02:02:00.510 And, you know, some people say we all have to get along. 02:02:00.540 --> 02:02:05.190 I, I, I couldn't disagree with that more. 02:02:05.890 --> 02:02:07.500 I don't think we have to all get along. 02:02:07.500 --> 02:02:09.560 I think what we have to do is we have to be with the people 02:02:09.560 --> 02:02:10.510 that are part of our tribe. 02:02:10.520 --> 02:02:13.530 That has nothing to do with what country you're from. 02:02:13.540 --> 02:02:16.380 It has nothing to do with the color of your skin or, or your 02:02:16.380 --> 02:02:17.680 religion or anything like that. 02:02:17.690 --> 02:02:20.750 It has to do with being part of that tribe. 02:02:21.110 --> 02:02:24.880 And if people don't understand my tribe, they're not part of my tribe. 02:02:25.600 --> 02:02:28.240 Because I'm going to meet a guy that's a Muslim and he's going 02:02:28.240 --> 02:02:29.640 to become one of my best friends. 02:02:29.665 --> 02:02:34.245 And I, and he's going to change my heart because I used to hate all Muslims and 02:02:34.245 --> 02:02:38.985 now I, I don't because of that one dude, or I'm going to meet a guy that's, um, 02:02:39.775 --> 02:02:42.025 a Canadian guy, JTF2 guy or whatever. 02:02:42.035 --> 02:02:45.885 And we're going to become very good friends because we were from the same 02:02:45.885 --> 02:02:48.605 tribe and we, we sound different. 02:02:48.635 --> 02:02:53.325 We look different, you know, but we're absolutely from the same 02:02:53.325 --> 02:02:55.315 tribe and you never know where you're going to meet those people. 02:02:55.315 --> 02:02:58.725 And the other thing in order to meet those people from the same tribe, you kind of 02:02:58.735 --> 02:03:00.435 got to tell people what your tribe is. 02:03:01.040 --> 02:03:02.350 Otherwise, they don't know. 02:03:03.440 --> 02:03:08.610 So a lot of times if I say something and I get the weird look, I'm 02:03:08.610 --> 02:03:11.800 like, I know you're not part of my tribe and there's no reason that we 02:03:11.800 --> 02:03:13.440 need to carry on any conversation. 02:03:14.470 --> 02:03:16.130 Because I'm not trying to win you over. 02:03:16.710 --> 02:03:18.440 You're either with me or against me. 02:03:18.550 --> 02:03:19.920 There's no gray area. 02:03:20.055 --> 02:03:23.505 Um, so either you're on the team or you're off the team. 02:03:23.505 --> 02:03:26.765 And if you're off the team, I'll, I, you're, I'm done 02:03:26.765 --> 02:03:27.915 Travis Bader: with you. 02:03:27.955 --> 02:03:29.105 So you don't have to be a part of it. 02:03:29.535 --> 02:03:31.035 My thought process, my life, 02:03:32.305 --> 02:03:34.915 Kyle Lamb: the only, probably the only people that I would say 02:03:34.915 --> 02:03:36.385 that doesn't apply to as kids. 02:03:36.385 --> 02:03:39.025 I mean, all kids are on the team until they get kicked off, you 02:03:39.025 --> 02:03:42.141 know, they're going to, they're going to make that choice. 02:03:42.141 --> 02:03:45.395 But when you see a little kid, a little kid is you, you know, 02:03:45.435 --> 02:03:46.515 we've got to take care of them. 02:03:46.515 --> 02:03:48.825 And I think that's one of the struggles that a lot of us are 02:03:48.835 --> 02:03:50.135 having right now is we're seeing. 02:03:51.390 --> 02:03:53.980 Our children, you know, the biggest failure we have in America, and I 02:03:53.980 --> 02:03:57.750 don't know about Canada, but in America the biggest failure is the family. 02:03:57.750 --> 02:04:01.600 So the fathers are not being fathers, and if the fathers would step up and be dads, 02:04:02.180 --> 02:04:06.120 all the trouble that we have from the bottom to the top would go away because 02:04:06.120 --> 02:04:08.130 we would take care of our families. 02:04:08.600 --> 02:04:09.810 We wouldn't look for welfare. 02:04:09.810 --> 02:04:12.850 We wouldn't look for any of the state to do that. 02:04:13.220 --> 02:04:15.020 The church and the family would do that. 02:04:16.100 --> 02:04:18.110 The dad would stay present with his kids. 02:04:18.110 --> 02:04:22.300 The kids would then not go to be delinquents because their dad would be 02:04:22.300 --> 02:04:28.830 there to discipline them and to praise them and to make them a better human 02:04:28.830 --> 02:04:31.590 being and then they would go on to have families and do the same thing. 02:04:31.990 --> 02:04:38.185 Yet now what we're seeing is we're saying that Dad's a mom and mom's a dad 02:04:38.185 --> 02:04:42.165 and this guy's the dude and then he's a mother and then it's like These kids 02:04:42.165 --> 02:04:47.675 are completely Confused and then we're saying it's more stressful for a lady 02:04:47.675 --> 02:04:51.295 to have to leave her state to go get an abortion in another state it's like 02:04:51.935 --> 02:04:58.065 That poor lady, the struggle she had to murder her child, I feel so bad that 02:04:58.065 --> 02:05:03.255 she had to struggle to drive four hours out of her state to murder her baby. 02:05:03.625 --> 02:05:04.315 You know what I'm saying? 02:05:04.315 --> 02:05:06.125 Like, are you serious? 02:05:06.175 --> 02:05:08.565 This is the family's gone. 02:05:08.985 --> 02:05:12.395 And if we don't get that back, and I don't, I think it's going to take 02:05:12.395 --> 02:05:15.055 something way more significant. 02:05:15.055 --> 02:05:17.315 I know you're Canada. 02:05:17.335 --> 02:05:20.445 You guys had the truckers, you know, the truckers are doing a thing down here now. 02:05:21.275 --> 02:05:22.255 Travis Bader: I heard something about that. 02:05:22.255 --> 02:05:23.025 What is that about? 02:05:23.615 --> 02:05:25.485 Kyle Lamb: Well, they're going to do something in Texas and, 02:05:25.595 --> 02:05:27.175 and they're all getting together. 02:05:27.175 --> 02:05:31.155 And I think that, uh, it'll be really interesting to see what happens. 02:05:31.155 --> 02:05:37.865 Cause up there with, uh, um, what's your president's name? 02:05:37.945 --> 02:05:38.765 Uh, Hitler. 02:05:38.765 --> 02:05:39.465 Trudeau there. 02:05:39.855 --> 02:05:40.055 Yeah. 02:05:40.325 --> 02:05:40.615 Hitler. 02:05:42.550 --> 02:05:46.750 Well, you know what he did was criminal first of all, but it was 02:05:46.750 --> 02:05:52.080 like if Canadians don't just stand up and say Enough of this crap. 02:05:52.340 --> 02:05:55.990 Well in America if we're not doing that either we deserve exactly what we get 02:05:55.990 --> 02:06:00.100 But if these right if these guys all go to Texas and they stop this illegal 02:06:00.100 --> 02:06:06.365 border stuff going on We could quite possibly I don't want to see the civil 02:06:06.365 --> 02:06:08.275 war that people have talked about. 02:06:08.285 --> 02:06:12.175 I mean, I don't, you know, I was going to lie to you there for a minute. 02:06:12.195 --> 02:06:15.515 I was going to say, I don't want to see that, but part of me would like 02:06:15.515 --> 02:06:19.365 to see, let's get this sorted out a little bit here because you're 02:06:19.365 --> 02:06:22.635 saying it's, it's okay for illegals. 02:06:22.955 --> 02:06:23.745 Come on. 02:06:23.755 --> 02:06:26.385 We want immigrants to come in our country all the time. 02:06:26.395 --> 02:06:27.245 We want that. 02:06:27.645 --> 02:06:29.695 We don't want people to do it illegally. 02:06:30.205 --> 02:06:30.455 Right. 02:06:30.455 --> 02:06:31.915 And there's a process for it. 02:06:32.915 --> 02:06:33.145 Yeah. 02:06:33.145 --> 02:06:35.715 My grandpa and grandma on both sides. 02:06:36.365 --> 02:06:37.265 They were immigrants. 02:06:37.805 --> 02:06:41.625 So I'm the second generation American. 02:06:41.625 --> 02:06:44.685 I'm really glad that they immigrated here and I'm glad they did it legally. 02:06:45.695 --> 02:06:47.535 So I don't know. 02:06:47.735 --> 02:06:48.655 Anyway, you break, 02:06:48.895 --> 02:06:52.225 Travis Bader: you break down that value structure and you don't uphold it. 02:06:52.425 --> 02:06:52.975 And. 02:06:53.890 --> 02:06:56.480 People who would otherwise uphold a value structure say, 02:06:56.480 --> 02:06:58.470 well, why are we doing this? 02:06:58.520 --> 02:07:01.430 The breakdown of the family unit, the breakdown of the value structures. 02:07:01.430 --> 02:07:06.760 And I don't think it's, um, you know, you, you look at social media 02:07:06.760 --> 02:07:10.110 and regular media and what people are being fed on a daily basis. 02:07:11.750 --> 02:07:16.050 You can see a very drastic change in the way that people think. 02:07:16.050 --> 02:07:20.975 And interestingly enough too, though, uh, As that pendulum swings 02:07:20.975 --> 02:07:23.795 further and further away, it's going to reach a point where it starts 02:07:23.815 --> 02:07:25.035 causing people to shake their heads. 02:07:25.035 --> 02:07:28.865 The amount of people like yourself, they're talking about faith and 02:07:28.865 --> 02:07:35.305 religion and their value systems, uh, whether it's faith based or not, um, 02:07:35.655 --> 02:07:40.325 is, it's happening a heck of a lot more now than it was 10 years ago. 02:07:40.895 --> 02:07:43.385 And I think it's because people are seeing the need to have a 02:07:43.385 --> 02:07:47.095 shared value system that we can all sing off of the same song sheet. 02:07:47.630 --> 02:07:49.040 That's where the military is fantastic. 02:07:49.040 --> 02:07:52.200 And that's where I think mandatory conscription is a fantastic thing. 02:07:52.210 --> 02:07:55.310 Everyone has had at least a shared adversity and they've got a shared 02:07:55.310 --> 02:07:57.760 experience and some pride in what they do. 02:07:57.760 --> 02:08:01.490 And they're working together off of the same song sheet. 02:08:01.550 --> 02:08:04.590 You dilute that too much and you're going to run into the inevitable 02:08:04.880 --> 02:08:06.230 problems that we're seeing right 02:08:06.230 --> 02:08:06.600 Kyle Lamb: now. 02:08:07.930 --> 02:08:08.130 Yeah. 02:08:08.130 --> 02:08:09.970 So I walk into a supermarket. 02:08:11.075 --> 02:08:14.595 And we've got conscription or whatever you want to call it, 02:08:14.595 --> 02:08:16.735 mandatory service or whatever. 02:08:18.125 --> 02:08:20.365 Um, conscription is kind of a rough word. 02:08:21.745 --> 02:08:22.195 Yes. 02:08:23.145 --> 02:08:24.715 You know, it really is. 02:08:24.975 --> 02:08:27.235 But so we have mandatory service and that doesn't mean that 02:08:27.335 --> 02:08:28.395 you got to be in the army. 02:08:28.395 --> 02:08:30.715 It doesn't mean that it means that you have to, to serve your 02:08:30.715 --> 02:08:32.195 country for two years or whatever. 02:08:32.495 --> 02:08:36.895 So I walk in the local supermarket and I see a guy there. 02:08:38.120 --> 02:08:40.720 And I walk up to him and I don't care what color he is, and I don't 02:08:40.720 --> 02:08:42.120 care what language he speaks. 02:08:42.150 --> 02:08:43.040 He's in America. 02:08:43.040 --> 02:08:44.960 And I say, who'd you serve with? 02:08:46.470 --> 02:08:51.900 Immediately we have a bond because both of us served our country. 02:08:52.140 --> 02:08:58.385 And if, if we had mandatory service, we would, uh, We would have that bond 02:08:58.385 --> 02:09:01.805 with each other like you just said because now when I see guys that are 02:09:01.805 --> 02:09:05.685 military I mean, I immediately have a bond with him I had a guy that I met 02:09:05.685 --> 02:09:11.135 this kid and he said He goes I'm a veteran or his mom said he's a veteran. 02:09:11.135 --> 02:09:11.965 I was like, oh you're veteran. 02:09:11.965 --> 02:09:12.545 Where'd you serve? 02:09:12.545 --> 02:09:15.515 What outfit were you with and he was a marine and I was like, oh, yeah 02:09:15.635 --> 02:09:21.855 cool So I started talking to him and I end up listening to him talk for 15 02:09:21.865 --> 02:09:24.895 minutes, you know, and he's telling me all kinds of stories and everything's 02:09:25.815 --> 02:09:29.585 going great, you know, and his mom's over there and she's kind of getting 02:09:29.585 --> 02:09:34.465 teary eyed and, uh, get done talking. 02:09:34.465 --> 02:09:35.455 I'm like, all right, whatever. 02:09:35.455 --> 02:09:37.995 So I go off to my thing and the mom says, excuse me, sir. 02:09:38.065 --> 02:09:42.325 I was like, yeah, she goes, I've never seen my son. 02:09:42.695 --> 02:09:46.915 He's never talked to my husband or me about any of that stuff. 02:09:48.895 --> 02:09:49.615 And I said, why? 02:09:49.655 --> 02:09:50.865 I said, why should he? 02:09:52.845 --> 02:09:53.475 I'm a veteran. 02:09:53.485 --> 02:09:54.175 He's a veteran. 02:09:54.175 --> 02:09:54.935 We're the same. 02:09:55.455 --> 02:09:56.655 So he's speaking to me. 02:09:56.655 --> 02:09:56.855 We're. 02:09:58.700 --> 02:09:59.260 That's it. 02:09:59.320 --> 02:10:01.120 Don't, don't, it's not bad. 02:10:01.470 --> 02:10:02.320 It's just fine. 02:10:02.330 --> 02:10:04.310 He's there's, there's nothing wrong with that. 02:10:04.310 --> 02:10:07.750 I'm not going to go talk about hunting or fishing to somebody that doesn't 02:10:07.750 --> 02:10:10.850 hunt or fish unless I'm trying to convince them they should or, you 02:10:10.850 --> 02:10:13.160 know, they should hunt or fish. 02:10:13.490 --> 02:10:15.860 You know, I want to try to attract people to do that. 02:10:15.860 --> 02:10:20.200 I want to try to attract people to build knives and to do, I don't care 02:10:20.200 --> 02:10:24.310 what you do, make something, you know, make something other than a meme. 02:10:24.310 --> 02:10:27.220 I mean, Something worthwhile. 02:10:28.280 --> 02:10:31.400 Yeah, make something out of wood with your hands or I don't care what 02:10:31.400 --> 02:10:35.670 it is, you know, so it's fantastic 02:10:36.000 --> 02:10:39.480 Travis Bader: Well, why don't we look at wrapping it up here? 02:10:39.560 --> 02:10:43.080 There's like I say, we could probably go on talking all day. 02:10:43.560 --> 02:10:46.140 You've imparted a heck of a lot of value to me. 02:10:46.310 --> 02:10:48.200 I trust to the audience as well. 02:10:48.510 --> 02:10:51.620 Kyle, thank you so much for being on the Silvercore 02:10:51.620 --> 02:10:52.029 Kyle Lamb: podcast. 02:10:52.910 --> 02:10:53.120 Yeah. 02:10:53.120 --> 02:10:53.980 Thanks for having me. 02:10:53.980 --> 02:10:54.880 This has been. 02:10:56.040 --> 02:10:57.140 And I'm not just saying this. 02:10:57.140 --> 02:10:59.650 This has been one of the best podcasts I've been on in a while 02:10:59.650 --> 02:11:08.190 because we didn't just focus on 1993 or, you know, Iraq or whatever. 02:11:08.420 --> 02:11:11.220 We got to talk about the stuff that really matters because that other 02:11:11.220 --> 02:11:13.150 stuff is just, that's just a job. 02:11:13.525 --> 02:11:17.735 It was an adventure, a job or whatever, but man, life is about 02:11:17.735 --> 02:11:20.125 all these other really important things that we talked about. 02:11:20.445 --> 02:11:23.445 And I'm glad you're on the same sheet of music with me. 02:11:23.445 --> 02:11:27.715 You never looked at me like, man, this guy is from outer space, you know, 02:11:28.165 --> 02:11:31.125 so, uh, yeah, find your tribe, dude. 02:11:31.135 --> 02:11:35.215 You know, might be a, some crazy Canuck up there. 02:11:35.215 --> 02:11:38.995 It might be a Muslim guy from Egypt. 02:11:39.325 --> 02:11:39.565 Yeah. 02:11:39.565 --> 02:11:41.875 I met this guy from Egypt on the shooting range. 02:11:41.875 --> 02:11:42.845 I didn't know he's from Egypt. 02:11:42.845 --> 02:11:43.755 I thought he was a Mexican. 02:11:43.755 --> 02:11:44.175 And I'm like. 02:11:44.870 --> 02:11:45.750 Oh, he's Egyptian. 02:11:45.750 --> 02:11:47.370 Well, I speak colloquial Egyptian Arabic. 02:11:47.370 --> 02:11:53.060 So I started rapping Arabic and he's like you speak Very good Egyptian Arabic 02:11:53.480 --> 02:11:58.190 and now he and I are very very good friends and he has changed my heart so 02:11:58.260 --> 02:12:02.770 open up open up to those people that are a part of your tribe and let them come 02:12:02.770 --> 02:12:05.485 in and Man, it's going to be amazing. 02:12:05.485 --> 02:12:07.725 And then get up tomorrow and do something for somebody else 02:12:07.725 --> 02:12:08.765 and it's going to be awesome. 02:12:09.885 --> 02:12:10.225 All right. 02:12:10.225 --> 02:12:14.105 Last thing I'm going to say, God bless Canada and God bless America. 02:12:14.745 --> 02:12:15.425 I love the message. 02:12:16.125 --> 02:12:16.565 Thank you.