In our two hundred and fourth episode we head back to Conroe, Texas for the 2024 January HERPS Show. We talk with some vendors and organizations attending the show. On this episode we are joined by one of our very favorite people Bull Roberts of B&T Reptiles to discuss an update on the white trash gene. Then we talk with Megan Morris and Adela Cerino from the Baytown Wetlands Center and Baytown Nature Center. Finally we talked with a past guest of the show, Drew Schulz of The Learning Zoo.