WEBVTT Kind: captions Language: en-GB 00:00:13.270 --> 00:00:16.039 Travis Bader: For over 30 years, I've been a part of this industry. 00:00:16.500 --> 00:00:20.410 I've seen its highs and its lows, its triumphs and its challenges. 00:00:20.950 --> 00:00:24.590 But if there's one enemy we face that's greater than any government 00:00:24.840 --> 00:00:27.709 regulation or policy, it's apathy. 00:00:28.115 --> 00:00:31.965 The quiet killer of our rights and freedoms is not the loud 00:00:31.974 --> 00:00:33.355 actions of those against us. 00:00:33.585 --> 00:00:37.574 It's the silence of those who claim to stand with us, but fail to act. 00:00:38.455 --> 00:00:39.775 Time and again, I've seen it. 00:00:39.885 --> 00:00:43.485 People want to complain, but hesitate to take action. 00:00:43.975 --> 00:00:47.015 They want to be led to be told what to do or worse. 00:00:47.064 --> 00:00:49.135 They wait for someone else to fight their battles. 00:00:49.795 --> 00:00:53.294 My friends that waiting will cost us everything. 00:00:53.934 --> 00:00:55.925 What can you do a lot? 00:00:56.605 --> 00:00:57.724 Let me be blunt. 00:00:57.984 --> 00:01:01.284 The fight for our rights is not someone else's responsibility. 00:01:01.624 --> 00:01:02.614 It's yours. 00:01:02.734 --> 00:01:03.504 It's ours. 00:01:03.735 --> 00:01:07.234 And if we sit back, if we point fingers or wait for someone to 00:01:07.245 --> 00:01:12.300 save us, We'll lose more than our property, our jobs, or our businesses. 00:01:12.770 --> 00:01:16.499 We'll lose the belief that we have the power to change anything at all. 00:01:17.219 --> 00:01:19.210 This is not a time for excuses. 00:01:19.520 --> 00:01:21.079 It is a time for action. 00:01:21.630 --> 00:01:23.510 No one is coming to rescue us. 00:01:23.939 --> 00:01:26.589 No one will hand us back what we've lost. 00:01:26.729 --> 00:01:29.509 But together, we can do what must be done. 00:01:29.789 --> 00:01:31.769 If we stop waiting and start moving. 00:01:32.539 --> 00:01:34.419 Each one of you has a voice. 00:01:34.959 --> 00:01:35.689 Use it. 00:01:36.189 --> 00:01:37.639 Each one of you has a vote. 00:01:38.200 --> 00:01:38.860 Cast it. 00:01:39.100 --> 00:01:41.130 Each one of you is a circle of influence. 00:01:41.720 --> 00:01:42.580 Engage it. 00:01:42.660 --> 00:01:46.400 Stop waiting for permission to act and start realizing that change 00:01:46.400 --> 00:01:48.630 begins when you take the first step. 00:01:49.200 --> 00:01:50.620 No step is too small. 00:01:51.179 --> 00:01:53.360 No action too insignificant. 00:01:54.499 --> 00:01:56.029 Do not tell me it's too late. 00:01:56.059 --> 00:01:57.719 Don't tell me it's too hard. 00:01:57.979 --> 00:02:01.149 Because I'm standing here 30 years deep into this fight, telling 00:02:01.149 --> 00:02:03.420 you that it's worth every effort. 00:02:03.940 --> 00:02:06.200 If I can keep going, so can you. 00:02:06.470 --> 00:02:11.409 And if we all take responsibility, if we all step up, there is no 00:02:11.420 --> 00:02:13.670 force strong enough to silence us. 00:02:14.700 --> 00:02:16.520 So I say, rise up. 00:02:17.140 --> 00:02:18.640 Take back your agency. 00:02:19.109 --> 00:02:20.360 Take back your power. 00:02:20.360 --> 00:02:23.100 Take back the belief that your actions matter. 00:02:23.390 --> 00:02:24.590 Because they do. 00:02:25.000 --> 00:02:27.549 Together, we're a force that cannot be ignored. 00:02:28.115 --> 00:02:33.325 But only if we act and act now, but today be the day you choose to stop waiting 00:02:33.565 --> 00:02:35.545 and start building the future you want. 00:02:36.225 --> 00:02:39.974 The fight is ours to win, but only if we're willing to fight it. 00:02:43.465 --> 00:02:43.855 Okay. 00:02:44.525 --> 00:02:47.835 I'm sitting down with Daniel Fritter of caliber magazine, Daniel. 00:02:47.855 --> 00:02:49.095 It's really good to see you again. 00:02:50.135 --> 00:02:51.945 Daniel Fritter: Wish it was under different circumstances. 00:02:52.655 --> 00:02:53.205 Travis Bader: Yes. 00:02:53.215 --> 00:02:57.155 Why is it we get together when the shit hits the fan, so to speak. 00:02:57.765 --> 00:03:00.045 Daniel Fritter: Cause nothing good has happened for the last 00:03:00.045 --> 00:03:01.194 few years of your gun owner. 00:03:01.195 --> 00:03:04.354 It's, uh, we haven't had a good news story in quite a while, 00:03:04.365 --> 00:03:06.584 so it's getting a bit tiring. 00:03:06.725 --> 00:03:10.025 Um, I haven't had a huge amount of sleep obviously, but, uh, 00:03:10.474 --> 00:03:12.564 yeah, it's, it's not great. 00:03:12.654 --> 00:03:12.994 So. 00:03:13.324 --> 00:03:15.564 Travis Bader: You were the first one that I saw who broke the news that 00:03:15.564 --> 00:03:18.484 something's coming down the pipe and then shortly thereafter, uh, I'm sure 00:03:18.825 --> 00:03:23.265 We see something come down the pipe and, uh, that's our most recent gun ban. 00:03:23.825 --> 00:03:26.265 What are your initial reactions on this? 00:03:27.885 --> 00:03:30.805 Daniel Fritter: I, my initial reaction yesterday, I mean, 00:03:30.805 --> 00:03:31.935 we knew this was coming. 00:03:32.285 --> 00:03:34.255 I appreciate the credit for breaking, but we were also 00:03:34.255 --> 00:03:36.375 told to expect the second OIC. 00:03:36.815 --> 00:03:40.995 Even going back to Marco Mendocino's, um, work as minister, we were told, 00:03:40.995 --> 00:03:43.755 you know, they would reconvene the Canadian Firearms Advisory Committee. 00:03:44.005 --> 00:03:45.424 We'd get the second OIC. 00:03:46.144 --> 00:03:50.145 Um, But I'll confess that I, and I suspect a lot of other gun owners 00:03:50.165 --> 00:03:55.495 probably fell into this trap of they haven't even started doing the buyback. 00:03:55.495 --> 00:03:56.425 There's been no progress. 00:03:56.425 --> 00:03:58.155 So things seem like they're not progressing. 00:03:58.525 --> 00:04:01.215 Uh, then the minister of public safety, Dominic LeBlanc says, we're 00:04:01.215 --> 00:04:02.405 not going to ban any more guns. 00:04:02.405 --> 00:04:03.634 Cause he said that a few months ago. 00:04:04.265 --> 00:04:08.680 Um, so I was, you know, I guess perhaps lulled into a false sense of 00:04:08.680 --> 00:04:14.299 security and, um, yesterday when the news broke, obviously I did expect 00:04:14.299 --> 00:04:16.600 it because of his testimony the day before I thought it was going to 00:04:16.600 --> 00:04:18.449 happen most likely actually today. 00:04:18.449 --> 00:04:19.709 So it was a bit earlier than I thought. 00:04:19.760 --> 00:04:26.850 But, um, I think, um, it's, it's worse than I thought, to be honest. 00:04:26.940 --> 00:04:30.735 Um, I've been trying to keep a stiff upper lip and put on the brave 00:04:30.745 --> 00:04:33.255 face and tell folks like, you know, the various things that are good. 00:04:33.255 --> 00:04:34.175 It is temporary. 00:04:34.685 --> 00:04:37.884 Uh, we are likely looking at a change in government and we've 00:04:37.885 --> 00:04:41.654 been told that this incoming government will roll this stuff back. 00:04:42.154 --> 00:04:46.994 Um, the more that they do like this OIC, for example, makes this 00:04:46.994 --> 00:04:50.495 issue more of a priority for an incoming conservative government 00:04:50.495 --> 00:04:51.675 that wants to roll this stuff back. 00:04:52.235 --> 00:04:59.340 It makes it more likely that they will, but, uh, In the meantime, it's, 00:04:59.340 --> 00:05:04.120 um, it's, it's, even if it's just temporary, it's the death of a culture. 00:05:04.480 --> 00:05:07.079 I don't know how else, it sounds hyperbolic to say it, but there's 00:05:07.079 --> 00:05:10.469 no more three gun, there's no more action shooting sports. 00:05:10.930 --> 00:05:14.779 Um, you know, IPSC, you can still obviously own a handgun and take it and 00:05:14.779 --> 00:05:19.990 shoot it, but you can't take basically the, uh, anything, most semi autos besides 00:05:19.990 --> 00:05:25.229 an SKS and seemingly a type 81 out to the range, uh, which means, you know, 00:05:25.230 --> 00:05:27.240 pistol caliber carbine competitions. 00:05:27.815 --> 00:05:28.685 All that stuff is gone. 00:05:28.895 --> 00:05:34.285 And, uh, what I was awake in bed last night thinking about was all 00:05:34.285 --> 00:05:38.935 of my colleagues who, um, there is some breaking news we can talk about. 00:05:38.935 --> 00:05:40.855 I don't know when this is going to come up, but the phase one of the 00:05:40.855 --> 00:05:41.975 buyback did start this morning. 00:05:42.565 --> 00:05:46.924 Uh, businesses did get an email saying if they want to, uh, remit their prohibited 00:05:46.924 --> 00:05:49.005 firearms for compensation, they can do so. 00:05:49.395 --> 00:05:53.195 So that might provide a little bit of reprieve for my colleagues 00:05:53.195 --> 00:05:54.925 that have this stuff in inventory. 00:05:55.565 --> 00:06:01.250 Um, but, you know, from, from, Both like a personal perspective, but also 00:06:01.250 --> 00:06:02.510 as a guy that works the industry. 00:06:02.510 --> 00:06:04.789 Like, what are we supposed to do? 00:06:05.049 --> 00:06:07.789 Let's say, let's say best case scenario, what everyone's talking 00:06:07.789 --> 00:06:08.999 about is we get an election in March. 00:06:09.809 --> 00:06:11.059 I mean, okay, that's great. 00:06:11.059 --> 00:06:12.260 So what happens to now in March? 00:06:12.289 --> 00:06:14.609 How am I supposed to, what am I supposed to write about? 00:06:14.769 --> 00:06:16.279 What are retailers supposed to sell? 00:06:16.280 --> 00:06:17.909 Where's our growth going to occur? 00:06:18.530 --> 00:06:23.070 And then, even after the election, when is PolyEv going to reverse this stuff? 00:06:23.409 --> 00:06:26.830 If the election's in March, is it going to be, could it be as soon as April? 00:06:26.840 --> 00:06:27.460 June? 00:06:27.699 --> 00:06:28.439 July? 00:06:28.469 --> 00:06:29.260 Like, when? 00:06:29.349 --> 00:06:32.849 And, I think that's the thing that I suppose scares me. 00:06:32.850 --> 00:06:35.720 I don't know if I'm just feeding into the doom, because normally I like to 00:06:35.720 --> 00:06:40.345 be a bit more optimistic than this, but, um, Let's say things come back in 00:06:40.345 --> 00:06:44.765 May or June, you know, in a realistic timeline, potentially, uh, maybe even 00:06:44.765 --> 00:06:49.075 as soon as March, there's going to be so much pain inflicted on people 00:06:49.075 --> 00:06:53.255 in this industry between now and then when they come back, it might not 00:06:53.255 --> 00:06:57.095 look the same if the distributors and the dealers that sell these things. 00:06:58.165 --> 00:06:59.915 are struggling between now and then. 00:07:00.385 --> 00:07:03.305 Um, it's not like they're going to be around. 00:07:03.335 --> 00:07:06.555 If like the shops are closed, Wandstalls, for example, they're closed, they're gone. 00:07:06.705 --> 00:07:07.205 It's over. 00:07:07.275 --> 00:07:08.825 You know, that, that shop is closed. 00:07:08.865 --> 00:07:09.744 Those jobs are done. 00:07:10.434 --> 00:07:12.515 Um, so I worry a lot about that. 00:07:12.554 --> 00:07:13.735 I think, uh, yeah. 00:07:14.495 --> 00:07:16.534 Today is mostly just, I feel like I'm going through the 00:07:16.534 --> 00:07:18.765 stages of grief, basically. 00:07:18.804 --> 00:07:21.045 And it's, uh, it's pretty shitty. 00:07:21.585 --> 00:07:23.744 Travis Bader: Well, I just, while you're talking there, I 00:07:23.744 --> 00:07:26.894 pulled up my email because I actually haven't checked them yet. 00:07:26.895 --> 00:07:32.290 I've been inundated with texts and messages and phone calls, and I see Yes. 00:07:32.340 --> 00:07:36.470 Stage one, phase one of the assault style firearms compensation program, 00:07:36.940 --> 00:07:39.440 ASFCP for businesses only is underway. 00:07:39.800 --> 00:07:44.240 So that one just came through, uh, and you said, what do you, what 00:07:44.240 --> 00:07:45.140 are your thoughts on that one? 00:07:45.140 --> 00:07:48.260 Because I know in the business industry, there are a mixed bag 00:07:48.260 --> 00:07:50.090 of emotion and opinions on that. 00:07:50.090 --> 00:07:54.579 You have a group you set up that, uh, you've probably kept an eye on and 00:07:54.889 --> 00:07:56.189 seeing what's being said on there. 00:07:56.189 --> 00:07:56.209 Yeah. 00:07:57.020 --> 00:08:00.080 Daniel Fritter: I think, um, for businesses, they see it 00:08:00.080 --> 00:08:01.200 as operating capital, right? 00:08:01.200 --> 00:08:04.350 Like they've been sitting on inventory now for almost five years, four and 00:08:04.350 --> 00:08:09.370 a half years that they ordered, you know, cause the way, I mean, you 00:08:09.370 --> 00:08:12.880 know this, but for the listeners, uh, when the ban happened in 2020. 00:08:13.425 --> 00:08:17.155 The guns that were banned, the AR 15s and stuff, those might have been 00:08:17.155 --> 00:08:21.934 guns because US election cycles and delays in getting guns across the 00:08:21.935 --> 00:08:24.054 border and how long it can take. 00:08:24.565 --> 00:08:28.754 Some of those guns were banned or were likely ordered in 2019 even. 00:08:28.755 --> 00:08:33.919 Um, so you're looking at, you know, a To put it in for, for AR 15 nerds, 00:08:33.919 --> 00:08:36.750 we're talking like key mod, you know, like you might, they might have, they 00:08:36.750 --> 00:08:41.019 might have some pretty older style firearms, quad rail stuff, stuff. 00:08:41.019 --> 00:08:47.189 That's not, um, particularly appreciable today because things move 00:08:47.189 --> 00:08:48.660 it's technology like everything else. 00:08:49.180 --> 00:08:52.609 Um, so for a lot of them, they're looking at those and going, Hey, if I can get 00:08:52.609 --> 00:08:57.460 rid of these, you know, 2019 circa AR 15s, that wouldn't even sell that well 00:08:57.460 --> 00:09:00.410 today because people want, you know, slick rails, all that kind of stuff. 00:09:01.180 --> 00:09:03.750 For them, they look at it and just go, this is my chance to recover some of those 00:09:03.750 --> 00:09:06.400 costs to get that operating capital back. 00:09:06.700 --> 00:09:12.009 Um, and especially these days, lease costs are insanely high on commercial property. 00:09:12.009 --> 00:09:13.610 Insurance costs have gone up. 00:09:13.629 --> 00:09:16.319 Obviously the cost of labor has increased as well as the 00:09:16.319 --> 00:09:17.339 cost of living for everyone. 00:09:17.339 --> 00:09:19.269 So that obviously impacts owners. 00:09:19.860 --> 00:09:21.630 So a lot of them are probably looking at this and going, this 00:09:21.630 --> 00:09:23.870 is a chance to, to get back to. 00:09:23.950 --> 00:09:31.150 Um, I know that gun owners at large don't like that particular attitude 00:09:31.160 --> 00:09:34.349 that they want the solidarity of like, no, I'm not, we have an amnesty. 00:09:34.349 --> 00:09:39.109 Don't give anything back, uh, as a business, you look at it differently. 00:09:39.430 --> 00:09:42.879 Uh, you're, you're looking at, you know, profit and loss is kind 00:09:42.879 --> 00:09:47.580 of what, what keeps the lights on, um, feels does not do that. 00:09:47.610 --> 00:09:52.230 So I think a lot of the businesses will see that as a reprieve, but, um, I'll be 00:09:52.230 --> 00:09:54.719 curious to see what happens with a lot of them because the ones that I've talked 00:09:54.720 --> 00:09:58.625 to, I understand, um, From a commercial perspective, I really understand that 00:09:58.825 --> 00:10:01.805 idea of like, well, let's just get rid of these old AR 15s because they're old. 00:10:01.805 --> 00:10:07.905 Um, but for example, VZ 58s are a rifle that I've, one of the few rifles I 00:10:07.915 --> 00:10:10.885 actually regret selling because I've had a couple of them and I sold them and then 00:10:10.885 --> 00:10:12.074 they were banned and I thought, damn it. 00:10:12.655 --> 00:10:16.710 Um, You're probably going to have a hard time getting a visa at 58 these days. 00:10:16.939 --> 00:10:20.520 Like if you were, if they were unbanned, trying to get a new one would not be 00:10:20.520 --> 00:10:22.300 as easy as it was back in the day. 00:10:22.530 --> 00:10:26.070 SVT 40s, there will be no more SVT 40s. 00:10:26.229 --> 00:10:30.335 So if you're a, if you're a retailer and you've got one of those, I, I would, 00:10:30.605 --> 00:10:34.775 I would probably want to keep that if only because when it is unbanned, if I 00:10:34.775 --> 00:10:38.285 can, if I can weather the storm until then, that's a very expensive rifle. 00:10:38.404 --> 00:10:40.684 And that was supposed to be 700 bucks, 400 bucks. 00:10:40.715 --> 00:10:43.755 You know, it was, you bought an Nuremberg 14 or an SPC 40, and 00:10:43.755 --> 00:10:45.075 now there's thousands of dollars. 00:10:45.425 --> 00:10:48.555 So if retailers are sitting on inventory of specific guns, I'll be 00:10:48.555 --> 00:10:51.175 curious, uh, how that kind of operates. 00:10:51.205 --> 00:10:53.605 And I haven't gone through, cause that phase one email 00:10:53.605 --> 00:10:54.455 just came out this morning. 00:10:54.455 --> 00:10:58.400 I've got to parse the whole thing, but I'll be curious if, uh, Retailers 00:10:58.400 --> 00:11:01.450 will be able to say, I have these guns, potentially, you know, 00:11:01.450 --> 00:11:04.010 restricted AR 15s that are registered. 00:11:04.210 --> 00:11:07.889 I would like to have those confiscated and get a check so I can order other guns. 00:11:08.279 --> 00:11:11.729 But I don't want to sell off minor income M 14s, my VZ 58s, 00:11:12.320 --> 00:11:14.040 if they'll, how that will work. 00:11:14.179 --> 00:11:17.500 If the government will kind of say, you have one shot, all of them or nothing. 00:11:17.570 --> 00:11:20.650 And I don't know how that'll go, but I'll be curious to see how that unfolds. 00:11:21.015 --> 00:11:24.355 Travis Bader: You bring up an interesting point about, uh, weathering the storm. 00:11:24.725 --> 00:11:28.845 And that's one of the things that I think the general firearms 00:11:28.845 --> 00:11:30.925 community might be overlooking. 00:11:30.954 --> 00:11:36.324 Yes, there is that whole moulin lavé from my come and take them or from my 00:11:36.324 --> 00:11:38.235 cold dead hands, we're all together. 00:11:38.695 --> 00:11:40.075 We're not going to give an inch. 00:11:40.355 --> 00:11:44.825 Attitude, but when it comes to the businesses, if they're not around 00:11:44.835 --> 00:11:49.195 next year, if they didn't have the capital to stay afloat, where 00:11:49.195 --> 00:11:50.275 does that leave everybody else? 00:11:50.275 --> 00:11:54.015 And, you know, I'm talking with a friend of mine and, and, and different 00:11:54.015 --> 00:11:57.475 ranges around here, one of them in particular said 90 percent of the 00:11:57.475 --> 00:12:02.695 inventory that I can rent out on my I now have to take off the wall 00:12:03.225 --> 00:12:05.095 because of yesterday's announcement. 00:12:05.425 --> 00:12:06.405 Like that's massive. 00:12:06.465 --> 00:12:10.635 And he employs a lot of people and he's a resource for the 00:12:10.635 --> 00:12:11.815 law enforcement community. 00:12:11.815 --> 00:12:17.415 And I mean, there is, there is more than just that feel good effect of 00:12:17.575 --> 00:12:19.245 putting out a political announcement. 00:12:19.634 --> 00:12:21.465 These are people's lives and livelihoods. 00:12:21.465 --> 00:12:24.695 These, there are serious repercussions of sticking your finger into 00:12:24.695 --> 00:12:26.655 the, into the puddle of water. 00:12:26.694 --> 00:12:29.935 The ripples that come out are, are far reaching. 00:12:30.550 --> 00:12:32.120 Have you talked with other businesses? 00:12:32.120 --> 00:12:33.770 I'm sure you've probably had the opportunity. 00:12:33.780 --> 00:12:37.959 Have you talked to businesses in the last 24 hours to get their feedback? 00:12:39.150 --> 00:12:39.860 Daniel Fritter: Yeah, I have. 00:12:39.900 --> 00:12:44.590 Um, you know, I've talked to a couple like retailers obviously 00:12:44.590 --> 00:12:45.850 are impacted by this hugely. 00:12:46.550 --> 00:12:52.620 Um, I think yesterday the news, they have the compensation program now 00:12:52.620 --> 00:12:56.119 available for them will probably ameliorate some of them this morning. 00:12:56.120 --> 00:12:59.400 And I mean, to be blunt, I know that gun owners may not like to hear 00:12:59.400 --> 00:13:02.260 this, but if you were a business owner and you had hundreds of 00:13:02.260 --> 00:13:04.700 thousands of dollars, like I, I have. 00:13:04.980 --> 00:13:06.869 Thousands of dollars worth of these guns. 00:13:06.869 --> 00:13:09.410 I can't do fuck all with them at this point. 00:13:09.760 --> 00:13:13.150 But if I was a business and I had six figures, seven figures worth of inventory 00:13:13.150 --> 00:13:19.020 in these things, the news that I could get compensation would be, um, some 00:13:19.260 --> 00:13:21.109 would provide some relief, I suppose. 00:13:21.529 --> 00:13:24.469 But I've talked to a couple of guys that, you know, more specifically are 00:13:24.469 --> 00:13:29.270 in the manufacturing side and they, they can't like, I talked to a fellow who 00:13:29.270 --> 00:13:31.839 makes a gun that was banned yesterday. 00:13:32.150 --> 00:13:33.860 He only makes that gun. 00:13:35.570 --> 00:13:36.010 I need to go. 00:13:36.040 --> 00:13:36.740 What do I do? 00:13:36.820 --> 00:13:38.329 Like, I, I don't know, 00:13:40.480 --> 00:13:41.280 learn to code. 00:13:41.360 --> 00:13:43.780 Like it's one of those, like, this is literally, there's nothing else you can 00:13:43.780 --> 00:13:49.540 do because you don't, you can't just idle a commercial facility for three months, 00:13:49.609 --> 00:13:51.429 six months while you wait for this. 00:13:51.430 --> 00:13:52.760 He's got multiple employees. 00:13:53.209 --> 00:13:59.329 Um, and I think that's where, like, I've always been very reticent to, uh, dive 00:13:59.329 --> 00:14:02.040 into the gun owner as a victim mentality. 00:14:02.050 --> 00:14:05.100 Cause I don't like that attitude of like, Oh, the government's attacking us. 00:14:05.100 --> 00:14:06.420 We're the victims or the victims because. 00:14:07.035 --> 00:14:12.285 I, I feel like it also, um, does a disservice to, like, in very real terms, 00:14:12.285 --> 00:14:16.855 the victims of actual crime and harm, because I own guns, I've, I've never 00:14:16.855 --> 00:14:18.895 been shot, so it's a different ball game. 00:14:19.255 --> 00:14:22.564 But I will say at this point, yeah, there's, this is harmful. 00:14:22.595 --> 00:14:23.715 This is just straight up harmful. 00:14:23.725 --> 00:14:26.255 It will not, everyone knows it's not going to do anything 00:14:26.264 --> 00:14:27.144 with regards to public safety. 00:14:27.144 --> 00:14:29.825 The guns they banned yesterday, especially, these are not 00:14:29.825 --> 00:14:30.645 guns that are used in crime. 00:14:31.135 --> 00:14:36.005 This is, no one's out there finding, you know, Smith and Wesson folding pistol 00:14:36.005 --> 00:14:37.985 caliber carbines, like gun scenes. 00:14:37.985 --> 00:14:38.745 It's not a thing. 00:14:39.425 --> 00:14:42.525 Um, but I do know people that make a living bringing those in 00:14:42.814 --> 00:14:46.715 and selling them and those people are going to be hurt by this. 00:14:46.984 --> 00:14:47.994 I'm going to be hurt by it. 00:14:47.995 --> 00:14:49.594 Everyone in this industry is going to be hurt by it. 00:14:49.854 --> 00:14:52.965 So, it is at the point where you can look at this policy and just 00:14:52.965 --> 00:14:53.995 go, yeah, there is no benefit. 00:14:54.155 --> 00:14:56.615 There will be no public safety increase. 00:14:56.695 --> 00:15:00.089 Um, But it is going to hurt a lot of people. 00:15:00.099 --> 00:15:05.250 It is forcing a lot of people to at best adapt their business models, shift 00:15:05.270 --> 00:15:10.120 their inventories, shift, you know, for us at Caliber, I mean, we, we make 00:15:10.120 --> 00:15:11.250 most of our money off of advertising. 00:15:11.329 --> 00:15:13.380 That's the, that's the primary revenue source. 00:15:14.089 --> 00:15:17.349 A lot of the guns that our advertisers really like to advertise are semi 00:15:17.349 --> 00:15:20.619 auto stuff because bolt action guns, they just go to Outdoor Canada. 00:15:20.619 --> 00:15:22.579 They go to the hunting magazines and they go to that market. 00:15:23.235 --> 00:15:24.635 Um, what's left for us? 00:15:25.005 --> 00:15:26.925 You know, we got hit hard with handguns. 00:15:26.965 --> 00:15:30.965 The AR 15 stuff hit us hard because we were The outlet for that stuff. 00:15:31.595 --> 00:15:36.545 Um, and now we've got semi auto 10 22s and, and rimfire rifles. 00:15:36.545 --> 00:15:41.574 And like I said, SKS and type 81, um, but there's not much left. 00:15:41.574 --> 00:15:44.175 And I it's, it's going to hurt all of us in a game. 00:15:44.334 --> 00:15:45.424 It's there's no benefit. 00:15:45.965 --> 00:15:50.195 And I think, especially in our weeks before Christmas, the economy 00:15:50.195 --> 00:15:51.745 is not exactly in a great place. 00:15:51.745 --> 00:15:55.535 Jobs are not exactly all over the place for people to go and get. 00:15:55.785 --> 00:15:59.870 So it's, um, Feels like the thin edge of the wedge for sure. 00:16:00.460 --> 00:16:04.829 Travis Bader: Have you heard anything about a future SKS or type 81? 00:16:06.339 --> 00:16:08.030 Daniel Fritter: I have not heard anything. 00:16:08.030 --> 00:16:11.890 I've heard that there is potentially another ban coming in February. 00:16:12.140 --> 00:16:14.739 Um, but that's just a rumor. 00:16:14.739 --> 00:16:16.599 I've not had that substantiated anywhere. 00:16:16.599 --> 00:16:19.379 There's been no testimony from the minister of public safety saying so. 00:16:19.379 --> 00:16:20.869 So who knows? 00:16:20.889 --> 00:16:24.410 Um, other stuff will probably happen in March. 00:16:24.410 --> 00:16:27.560 I've heard some of the C21 stuff coming into force then 00:16:27.560 --> 00:16:30.785 potentially, but, um, I don't know. 00:16:30.895 --> 00:16:37.155 I don't, I, I, I would be a bit surprised if the SKS was actually 00:16:37.155 --> 00:16:41.905 prohibited, uh, only because if it was going to be, I would have 00:16:41.915 --> 00:16:43.005 thought it would be in this round. 00:16:43.335 --> 00:16:44.494 The government knows about it. 00:16:44.524 --> 00:16:48.505 We've seen, uh, parliamentary secretary for public safety, Pam Damoff, actually 00:16:48.505 --> 00:16:52.485 address Elizabeth May, who directly asked in the house of commons, is this 00:16:52.505 --> 00:16:56.485 going to be banned after that bank robbery, uh, in, on the island there? 00:16:57.175 --> 00:16:59.015 Uh, she did address it saying that. 00:16:59.320 --> 00:17:01.320 It was one of the guns they were going to ask the firearms 00:17:01.320 --> 00:17:02.470 advisory committee to look at. 00:17:03.050 --> 00:17:05.690 Um, so I would have thought if it was going to be prohibited that it 00:17:05.690 --> 00:17:07.530 would have just been in this round. 00:17:07.670 --> 00:17:08.220 Um. 00:17:08.610 --> 00:17:09.370 Why do you think it wasn't? 00:17:09.370 --> 00:17:09.890 But who knows? 00:17:10.800 --> 00:17:14.439 Um, I think because there was pushback from indigenous groups to be blunt. 00:17:14.480 --> 00:17:18.500 I think it's, um, it's a very common hunting rifle in rural and remote 00:17:18.509 --> 00:17:24.069 communities and, uh, various organizations associated with first nations and 00:17:24.180 --> 00:17:28.810 indigenous spoke up quite loudly and Um, they have, they have quite a 00:17:28.810 --> 00:17:32.090 voice in parliament and I think that's what dissuaded them from doing so. 00:17:32.740 --> 00:17:37.710 Um, perhaps also to this, the flip side is I, I, that's why I say I 00:17:37.730 --> 00:17:38.919 would be surprised if they did. 00:17:39.450 --> 00:17:42.859 I would not be surprised if they did because they might be looking to 00:17:42.940 --> 00:17:45.599 stage this for further political gain. 00:17:45.599 --> 00:17:47.550 Cause that's the only reason they're doing this is right. 00:17:47.985 --> 00:17:52.915 You know, not to sound cynical, and I know this is like, it's, but it just is. 00:17:52.945 --> 00:17:54.525 They're polling extremely low. 00:17:54.995 --> 00:17:58.004 The tax holiday thing they did did not get the headlines they wanted. 00:17:58.255 --> 00:18:00.375 They're trying to take control of the narrative. 00:18:00.405 --> 00:18:03.705 This is what the Liberal Party of Canada does to try and control the narrative. 00:18:03.705 --> 00:18:08.034 They passed another gun ban, and I suspect that if we are looking at potentially a 00:18:08.034 --> 00:18:13.275 spring election in March, um, that they might, Prepare that battlefield with 00:18:13.445 --> 00:18:16.915 another announcement sometime in February that says, yeah, we're doing it again. 00:18:17.475 --> 00:18:19.235 Um, cause I think that's what this is. 00:18:19.235 --> 00:18:20.504 It's just a political cudgel. 00:18:21.344 --> 00:18:21.715 Travis Bader: Yeah. 00:18:21.764 --> 00:18:22.654 Well, you and I know it. 00:18:22.675 --> 00:18:23.775 We've looked at the numbers. 00:18:23.835 --> 00:18:27.864 I think most intelligent people out there inherently know that 00:18:27.875 --> 00:18:31.044 these gun bans have absolutely nothing to do with public safety. 00:18:31.775 --> 00:18:35.360 And in fact, looking at systemic Statistics in other countries 00:18:35.360 --> 00:18:36.890 where they brought in prohibitions. 00:18:37.740 --> 00:18:41.270 You look at the timeline, he can look at, they'll say, look at the gun, bad. 00:18:41.270 --> 00:18:43.060 We put in, look at how many lives is saved. 00:18:43.089 --> 00:18:44.330 Look at how crime's gone down. 00:18:44.330 --> 00:18:46.750 Well, some of them, they've actually spikes way up. 00:18:47.159 --> 00:18:49.970 Some of them, there's already a trend going downwards and they're just 00:18:49.979 --> 00:18:51.439 playing this game with the words. 00:18:51.450 --> 00:18:52.689 It's very, uh, confusing. 00:18:52.860 --> 00:18:54.680 Quick and visible action, right? 00:18:54.680 --> 00:18:56.310 They look at what we've done. 00:18:56.340 --> 00:18:57.610 It looks like they're doing something. 00:18:57.610 --> 00:18:58.379 The media loves it. 00:18:58.379 --> 00:19:01.910 It's a simplistic narrative for them to be able to, to play out. 00:19:02.260 --> 00:19:04.750 Um, it's good for comparative politics. 00:19:04.750 --> 00:19:08.770 We're not like the States or we're not like the conservatives who have guns and 00:19:09.349 --> 00:19:10.970 putting people into a different side. 00:19:13.189 --> 00:19:20.034 I'm hard pressed to think that those who are Enacting these laws truly believe that 00:19:20.034 --> 00:19:25.324 they have an end effect on public safety, the actual difficult things like poverty, 00:19:25.354 --> 00:19:32.684 like, uh, mental health, excuse me, like, like poverty or like mental health or 00:19:33.315 --> 00:19:40.415 like all of the difficult conversations that need to be had and they don't have 00:19:40.415 --> 00:19:45.945 any clean sort of, um, action point that you can take to, to quickly address. 00:19:47.294 --> 00:19:48.054 I'm wondering. 00:19:48.739 --> 00:19:54.000 How it is that can be made readily apparent to people, as opposed to the 00:19:54.000 --> 00:19:58.450 conversation, always being the pro gun people saying, I wants me guns. 00:19:58.450 --> 00:19:59.479 I loves me guns. 00:19:59.479 --> 00:19:59.729 Right. 00:19:59.729 --> 00:20:02.010 Or, uh, this is my livelihood. 00:20:02.040 --> 00:20:02.989 This is my lifestyle. 00:20:02.990 --> 00:20:06.009 Those talking points don't seem to be working or the anti gun people 00:20:06.010 --> 00:20:09.929 saying, you know, if we could just save one life, if we can get rid of 00:20:09.929 --> 00:20:13.070 all the guns, there would be no more crime, which of course is ridiculous. 00:20:13.350 --> 00:20:15.540 How do we make it readily apparent? 00:20:16.075 --> 00:20:22.565 Apparent that these actions of banning and confiscations are a complete waste 00:20:22.565 --> 00:20:26.974 of time and money and the end goal for everybody, what they want to see would 00:20:26.985 --> 00:20:29.055 be better served by, by other means. 00:20:30.284 --> 00:20:34.394 Daniel Fritter: Um, you know, maybe it's just that I'm, I haven't slept and 00:20:34.435 --> 00:20:38.424 I'm not feeling particularly chipper, but I don't think we can, to be honest. 00:20:38.424 --> 00:20:43.034 I don't think, uh, I don't think the onus for making that argument is going 00:20:43.095 --> 00:20:47.919 to, you know, Uh, it, it will fall to gun owners, but gun owners, I, I don't 00:20:47.919 --> 00:20:49.290 actually think we can to be blunt. 00:20:49.290 --> 00:20:55.279 I, we've been doing this, I mean, I've been involved in covering guns now 00:20:55.279 --> 00:20:59.550 for 13 years and I've been involved politically, uh, going back to Bill 00:20:59.559 --> 00:21:03.059 C 391, Candace Bergen's attempt to replace the, or get rid of the long 00:21:03.060 --> 00:21:04.579 gun ratio when Harper had a minority. 00:21:04.629 --> 00:21:07.409 Like it's, I've been doing, I guess, almost 20 years now. 00:21:07.620 --> 00:21:07.969 Hmm. 00:21:08.239 --> 00:21:08.870 And. 00:21:09.630 --> 00:21:13.830 We've never, there's always been that argument of how do we reach the public? 00:21:13.830 --> 00:21:15.050 How do we make the public care? 00:21:15.730 --> 00:21:16.670 And it's never happened. 00:21:17.040 --> 00:21:18.719 And I don't think it ever will. 00:21:19.289 --> 00:21:25.010 And I think what gun owners probably should start to realize is that, um, 00:21:26.390 --> 00:21:27.450 a few things, they don't need to. 00:21:27.765 --> 00:21:31.595 The public doesn't matter to, again, saying some people don't 00:21:31.595 --> 00:21:32.645 agree, the public doesn't matter. 00:21:32.985 --> 00:21:34.395 The public doesn't care about this. 00:21:34.555 --> 00:21:36.865 The gun ban that was passed yesterday, no one cares. 00:21:37.564 --> 00:21:39.035 It barely broke the news. 00:21:39.045 --> 00:21:40.555 It's a flash in the pan. 00:21:40.555 --> 00:21:41.465 It's over, right? 00:21:41.835 --> 00:21:44.484 The only people still talking about are those of us that are impacted by it. 00:21:44.865 --> 00:21:45.934 Everyone else has moved on. 00:21:46.084 --> 00:21:51.155 It's just a normal Friday for the rest of Canada, um, because guns are 00:21:51.155 --> 00:21:53.865 not a massive vote issue in Canada. 00:21:53.865 --> 00:21:56.285 It's a, it's more of a media thing. 00:21:56.925 --> 00:21:58.385 Uh, and that's where I think. 00:21:58.625 --> 00:22:01.935 The landscape has shifted, and that's why I say, you know, gun owners may not 00:22:01.935 --> 00:22:05.885 be able to change public perception, but, uh, we should take note of 00:22:05.885 --> 00:22:11.834 the way the landscape has changed where, um, the media no longer cares. 00:22:11.835 --> 00:22:14.205 The media absolutely doesn't think this is going to help. 00:22:14.215 --> 00:22:18.675 I've done a ton of interviews with normal radio hosts, TV people, 00:22:18.845 --> 00:22:23.045 journalists that write for newspapers, and they all say, this isn't, this 00:22:23.280 --> 00:22:25.230 Like, why are they banning AR 15s? 00:22:25.230 --> 00:22:27.919 I don't see a lot of AR 15s cross my headlines associated 00:22:27.919 --> 00:22:29.169 with crime because they don't. 00:22:29.270 --> 00:22:31.190 These are people that cover this stuff, they know it. 00:22:31.960 --> 00:22:35.659 But it's almost like there's this kind of zombie like political machination 00:22:35.670 --> 00:22:39.060 going on, uh, in Ottawa, on both sides, to be clear, both the Liberals and the 00:22:39.060 --> 00:22:42.959 Conservatives, because the Liberals seem to think this, this bizarre idea 00:22:42.959 --> 00:22:46.960 of if we just keep pushing guns and gun bans, that we're good, we're gonna 00:22:46.960 --> 00:22:51.869 win that Southern Ontario mother of three vote they want so desperately. 00:22:52.390 --> 00:22:52.964 Um, so, yeah. 00:22:53.425 --> 00:22:56.855 Even though it's not happening, like she doesn't care anymore. 00:22:56.915 --> 00:22:57.995 She, it's not a thing. 00:22:58.465 --> 00:23:02.575 Um, if anything, a lot of people have noticed that, you know, the more 00:23:02.575 --> 00:23:06.845 they ban guns, the more effort they put into this stuff, this is kind 00:23:06.845 --> 00:23:08.254 of like a, I guess a tragic thing. 00:23:08.255 --> 00:23:10.325 I, for now, man, this is depressing. 00:23:10.395 --> 00:23:13.925 This is really depressing, but I guess, but you know, I was saying when, when 00:23:13.925 --> 00:23:18.385 the gun bans happened in 2020, I told a bunch of people, journalists, readers, 00:23:18.585 --> 00:23:23.275 everyone that would listen that, you know, focusing on Banning guns from licensed 00:23:23.305 --> 00:23:27.685 people is consuming resources and that's all the government really has is is 00:23:27.685 --> 00:23:31.284 our funding if if not for our taxpayer dollars, the government doesn't exist. 00:23:31.605 --> 00:23:35.395 Everything from judges to jails to the border to the military. 00:23:35.534 --> 00:23:39.344 It's all just how they use our money basically and that when they take a 00:23:39.345 --> 00:23:41.925 bunch of our money and they use it for and they use it for Taking our guns that 00:23:41.925 --> 00:23:45.674 that's money that could otherwise go to mental health, homelessness, actual 00:23:45.674 --> 00:23:49.784 crime, interdiction, et cetera, and that by doing that, we would likely see 00:23:49.784 --> 00:23:55.124 an increase in those larger societal harms because they're focusing on this 00:23:55.124 --> 00:23:56.684 thing instead of all these other things. 00:23:57.225 --> 00:24:00.264 And now, four and a half years later, I think everyone's seeing that. 00:24:00.314 --> 00:24:02.945 And I think that's where, when I say gun owners can't change public 00:24:02.945 --> 00:24:04.975 perception, public perception will come around on its own. 00:24:05.115 --> 00:24:11.084 And we're seeing that already where, you know, I've, I've been saying for years, 00:24:11.084 --> 00:24:12.495 and you've done a great podcast on it. 00:24:13.375 --> 00:24:17.574 We are looking at a Canada where concealed carry may become a realistic option. 00:24:18.005 --> 00:24:21.685 And not only that, it may become the only option available to public policy makers. 00:24:22.105 --> 00:24:25.475 Because you cannot invent more police officers. 00:24:25.514 --> 00:24:30.225 You can't just turn a knob and flick a switch and double the size of the RCMP. 00:24:30.225 --> 00:24:31.124 It doesn't work that way. 00:24:31.645 --> 00:24:33.284 Um, you need to increase the funding. 00:24:33.294 --> 00:24:33.889 Then you've got to get caught. 00:24:34.330 --> 00:24:36.180 Officers in the pipeline, they need to be trained up. 00:24:36.450 --> 00:24:38.740 Then they need to be like, it's not an instant thing. 00:24:39.280 --> 00:24:44.200 Um, and right now we have 170 something police officers per 100, 000 people. 00:24:44.649 --> 00:24:46.549 That is half of the European average. 00:24:47.000 --> 00:24:50.840 Not the European high watermark that is half of the European average Europe has 00:24:50.870 --> 00:24:55.820 354 police officers per 100, 000 people on average They have countries that 00:24:55.820 --> 00:24:58.019 have 700 police officers per 100, 000. 00:24:58.020 --> 00:24:59.699 We have 170 00:24:59.699 --> 00:24:59.900 Travis Bader: So 00:24:59.929 --> 00:25:01.990 Daniel Fritter: you cannot rectify that problem. 00:25:02.030 --> 00:25:08.220 You cannot fix our issues around bail and our issues around The judicial pipeline 00:25:08.220 --> 00:25:12.310 and how clogged up our courts are and how slow they are to react You cannot solve 00:25:12.320 --> 00:25:18.800 those overnight, but crime does increase overnight And, you know, I, I, if you 00:25:18.800 --> 00:25:21.600 had said to me 10 years ago, we would actually have a realistic conversation. 00:25:21.620 --> 00:25:22.740 I would open a newspaper. 00:25:22.770 --> 00:25:25.609 This is the best context is I opened a newspaper, I think probably six 00:25:25.609 --> 00:25:30.880 months ago, and I read a column from a journalist in a normal newspaper 00:25:31.160 --> 00:25:34.100 that said, maybe it's time for Canadians to consider concealed carry. 00:25:34.449 --> 00:25:35.950 And this was not the rebel. 00:25:35.980 --> 00:25:37.060 This was not some kind of right. 00:25:37.060 --> 00:25:38.160 This was a normal newspaper. 00:25:38.160 --> 00:25:41.810 This is one guy who just was, he was writing an op ed based on his 00:25:41.810 --> 00:25:43.440 observations around his community going. 00:25:43.700 --> 00:25:44.650 I don't feel safe. 00:25:45.185 --> 00:25:47.935 I have no misconceptions that the police are going to come. 00:25:48.865 --> 00:25:50.445 Maybe it's time for us to consider this. 00:25:50.855 --> 00:25:56.205 If you had said that is something I would read in a newspaper 10 years ago, no way. 00:25:56.535 --> 00:25:59.760 Because 10 years ago, you could go to a gun club and you could talk 00:25:59.770 --> 00:26:02.710 about self defense with a gun and every other gun owner at the gun 00:26:02.710 --> 00:26:04.290 club would go, are you insane? 00:26:04.520 --> 00:26:05.639 You can't do that in Canada. 00:26:05.640 --> 00:26:06.550 That's not a thing we do here. 00:26:06.600 --> 00:26:10.299 And yet this is the reality that we're now facing, even as we have 00:26:10.299 --> 00:26:11.590 this government that's banning guns. 00:26:11.590 --> 00:26:15.800 And I don't, um, it's almost like the more they do the worst things get. 00:26:16.250 --> 00:26:18.495 And, uh, Uh, it's not good. 00:26:18.965 --> 00:26:19.365 So. 00:26:20.004 --> 00:26:20.254 Travis Bader: Yeah. 00:26:20.254 --> 00:26:24.485 You brought up that interview that I did with Ian Sim on, um, 00:26:25.145 --> 00:26:29.575 concealed carry and the last line of defense act that he's proposing. 00:26:29.835 --> 00:26:34.834 I was blown away by the reception that that interview had and 00:26:34.834 --> 00:26:38.294 how many people are yearning to have more conversations on that. 00:26:38.324 --> 00:26:39.274 I was absolutely blown away. 00:26:39.355 --> 00:26:44.715 The, the numbers for the podcast and numbers on YouTube, um, are very 00:26:44.715 --> 00:26:47.975 indicative of where the, the zeitgeist is, what the general mindset is. 00:26:50.085 --> 00:26:53.615 You brought something interesting in about public, public 00:26:53.625 --> 00:26:55.965 perception is changing on its own. 00:26:57.315 --> 00:26:58.565 And I agree. 00:26:58.565 --> 00:27:06.044 And if I'm to look at the silver lining and all of this, I say the pendulum 00:27:06.044 --> 00:27:10.825 has to swing back at some point and the further that we push it in one direction. 00:27:11.370 --> 00:27:13.820 Eventually it's going to get pushed too far. 00:27:13.860 --> 00:27:17.230 And in and of itself, it's going to be self evident that 00:27:17.230 --> 00:27:18.510 people are on the wrong path. 00:27:18.740 --> 00:27:22.249 And when these gun bans came in, you ever have these conversations, you're 00:27:22.250 --> 00:27:26.830 sitting down and you're emotionally invested in the conversation with 00:27:26.839 --> 00:27:28.410 the individual you're talking to. 00:27:28.440 --> 00:27:31.200 And then you realize all of a sudden, they're just going off the 00:27:31.200 --> 00:27:33.870 deep end and you just find a way to kind of like, I'm just kind of 00:27:33.870 --> 00:27:36.980 tuning you out for a bit because it's just not worth my effort anymore. 00:27:37.389 --> 00:27:41.770 Um, that's what I feel is happening with the gun bans. 00:27:41.770 --> 00:27:43.179 That's what I feel is happening. 00:27:43.189 --> 00:27:48.409 When I see these further restrictions being brought into place, I see that 00:27:48.429 --> 00:27:50.649 pushing the pendulum faster and harder. 00:27:50.669 --> 00:27:53.639 And a part of me says, you know, I'm not really paying attention. 00:27:54.460 --> 00:27:56.530 Bring it, push it fast. 00:27:56.540 --> 00:27:58.259 Put as many bands as you can on there. 00:27:58.260 --> 00:28:02.460 It's, it's similar to remember, uh, PM, PM prime minister, prime minister, 00:28:02.470 --> 00:28:07.095 Paul Martin, when, uh, you Uh, he was coming out and saying, we do not 00:28:07.095 --> 00:28:08.705 want to do anything with your guns. 00:28:08.705 --> 00:28:10.125 We don't want to touch them. 00:28:10.125 --> 00:28:13.874 And the second he had the opportunity, he's like, okay, full handgun ban. 00:28:14.304 --> 00:28:16.495 And it fell flat on its face. 00:28:16.615 --> 00:28:19.595 Why he pushed too hard, too fast. 00:28:19.685 --> 00:28:24.415 And I see this camel in the tent approach that's being taken over the years. 00:28:24.800 --> 00:28:29.679 Being highly effective because people become apathetic to the chains. 00:28:29.710 --> 00:28:30.529 What can I do? 00:28:30.569 --> 00:28:34.259 I, you know, it's just a little, it doesn't really involve me right now. 00:28:34.259 --> 00:28:38.190 It's just those people shooting those guns and little by little these 00:28:38.270 --> 00:28:39.949 rights and freedoms become eroded. 00:28:40.239 --> 00:28:46.799 So when I see new bands coming in, there is this part of me that says, bring 00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:49.219 it, pile them on, be like proponents. 00:28:49.705 --> 00:28:55.205 Paul Martin and push too far, because I think that is what makes it readily 00:28:55.425 --> 00:28:59.064 apparent to the general public that this isn't where we should be 00:28:59.064 --> 00:29:00.945 spending our time, energy, and money. 00:29:00.954 --> 00:29:02.495 And we're just playing games. 00:29:02.634 --> 00:29:08.454 So I, I do agree that public perception changes on its own, but I believe that. 00:29:09.465 --> 00:29:15.275 That the individual can highly amplify that through means of non 00:29:15.275 --> 00:29:18.525 traditional media, through Tik TOK, through Instagram, through social 00:29:18.525 --> 00:29:23.114 media, through talking with their friends at the local, whatever, right. 00:29:23.114 --> 00:29:24.264 Whatever they're interested in. 00:29:24.305 --> 00:29:30.144 I really do believe that that, uh, that people tend to be afraid to speak out. 00:29:30.145 --> 00:29:33.365 It's like when COVID hit and people are like, well, we can't say the word 00:29:33.385 --> 00:29:36.694 COVID I can't talk about, and then some people start talking about it and like, 00:29:36.694 --> 00:29:38.335 okay, well, maybe I got an opinion. 00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:39.570 And they start coming out. 00:29:39.580 --> 00:29:46.050 If they know that you're open to reasonable discourse on it, maybe 00:29:46.050 --> 00:29:47.680 they're open to talking about it too. 00:29:47.740 --> 00:29:52.170 So I, if I'm to put a silver lining on this, I kind of like the fact that 00:29:52.190 --> 00:29:56.770 they're pushing harder and that the camel is running into the tent as opposed 00:29:56.770 --> 00:29:58.652 to just sticking its toes in the tent. 00:29:58.950 --> 00:30:04.240 And I like the, um, I like the anger that that is building in 00:30:04.240 --> 00:30:05.940 people to want to actually stand up. 00:30:05.980 --> 00:30:08.680 And it's like, um, uh, what was his name? 00:30:08.680 --> 00:30:09.870 Constantine Kissen. 00:30:10.390 --> 00:30:12.910 And he saw his, uh, chat he did at Oxford. 00:30:13.780 --> 00:30:17.830 Brilliant, never in a million years of that time, would I think a comedian 00:30:17.830 --> 00:30:22.500 would come out and say something just so poignant on the nose at Oxford university. 00:30:22.880 --> 00:30:23.800 But what does he say? 00:30:25.060 --> 00:30:26.639 You have personal agency. 00:30:26.820 --> 00:30:27.800 Don't forget that. 00:30:27.829 --> 00:30:32.109 And the, the worst thing that our culture is doing right now is trying 00:30:32.110 --> 00:30:35.540 to convince you that you can't do something, you can't affect change. 00:30:35.620 --> 00:30:38.440 So that's, that's where I see the silver lining on this. 00:30:39.650 --> 00:30:40.060 I 00:30:40.080 --> 00:30:40.850 Daniel Fritter: see the same. 00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:42.160 Thing. 00:30:42.220 --> 00:30:42.890 And I agree. 00:30:43.000 --> 00:30:49.800 Um, I do hope that we see, I mean, Lord knows when, when Harper 00:30:49.850 --> 00:30:54.139 lost in 2015 there, that apathy is what got Trudeau elected. 00:30:54.230 --> 00:30:56.220 I mean, there were posts on Canadian gun nuts. 00:30:56.240 --> 00:30:59.890 There were even prominent people in our community saying things like, well, you 00:30:59.890 --> 00:31:03.840 know, Harper didn't really do anything on guns and Trudeau saying he won't. 00:31:03.850 --> 00:31:06.660 So there's no harm, like no one will do anything on guns. 00:31:06.690 --> 00:31:07.900 And there was this general attitude that. 00:31:08.645 --> 00:31:12.815 The gun policy was fixed and it was just, it was an intractable thing 00:31:12.815 --> 00:31:16.175 that no one was going to approach or change because, you know, admittedly 00:31:16.175 --> 00:31:19.175 Harper, a lot of people look back, oh, Harper didn't do anything. 00:31:19.185 --> 00:31:20.805 And people forget he only had one majority. 00:31:20.845 --> 00:31:24.614 He had four years do what he could and he got rid of the long gun registry 00:31:24.614 --> 00:31:28.174 and that, which, um, I think a lot of us can really appreciate these 00:31:28.174 --> 00:31:31.384 days for reasons, um, for reasons. 00:31:32.060 --> 00:31:32.450 Yeah. 00:31:34.070 --> 00:31:36.720 There was that apathy that people went, Oh, nothing's going to happen. 00:31:36.730 --> 00:31:42.059 And now a lot of shit has happened that I think has, has reduced that apathy, 00:31:42.059 --> 00:31:47.530 but also to, um, the demographics amongst gun owners in Canada have changed 00:31:48.010 --> 00:31:50.670 hugely in the last 10 years as well. 00:31:51.030 --> 00:31:55.320 When Trudeau was first elected in 2015 gun owners were, they're still, they 00:31:55.320 --> 00:31:57.390 still are an older cohort than average. 00:31:57.940 --> 00:32:01.430 I think the median age is something like 55, but it has shifted drastically. 00:32:01.650 --> 00:32:03.640 quite a bit too younger. 00:32:04.030 --> 00:32:07.270 Uh, and also too, it's not necessarily entirely, but when I talk about 00:32:07.270 --> 00:32:11.200 the demographics have changed, it's not just the average or median age. 00:32:11.220 --> 00:32:16.820 It's that the new people, we've seen a 10 percent growth in gun license holders. 00:32:17.330 --> 00:32:19.599 Those are predominantly young people. 00:32:19.999 --> 00:32:25.170 You know, they're 30 and under, and a lot of political action occurs. 00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:26.430 From young people, 00:32:26.680 --> 00:32:27.020 Travis Bader: old 00:32:27.020 --> 00:32:27.880 Daniel Fritter: guys, like I'm 39. 00:32:27.880 --> 00:32:28.520 I got two kids. 00:32:28.520 --> 00:32:29.040 I'm busy. 00:32:29.040 --> 00:32:31.260 I got a job, like hopefully still have one. 00:32:31.490 --> 00:32:32.340 Like I got stuff to do. 00:32:32.340 --> 00:32:36.230 I don't have as much time as I did 20 years ago to get involved in politics. 00:32:36.740 --> 00:32:41.720 Now we've got a large cohort of young gun owners who I think are 00:32:41.720 --> 00:32:45.040 also, you know, to speak about some other stuff and potentially sound 00:32:45.040 --> 00:32:47.930 a little bit highbrow or frustrated with the The world they live in. 00:32:48.330 --> 00:32:49.440 They can't afford a house. 00:32:49.660 --> 00:32:50.730 The cost of living is insane. 00:32:50.750 --> 00:32:52.000 The jobs aren't there for them. 00:32:52.470 --> 00:32:56.340 Um, and in a lot of cases, for a lot of them, and I think this is where 00:32:56.340 --> 00:32:59.840 that concealed carry conversation comes up a lot, is that a lot of 00:32:59.850 --> 00:33:03.570 people feel very insecure these days, especially after COVID. 00:33:04.340 --> 00:33:09.435 Um, And there are very few things that can provide someone with a sense 00:33:09.435 --> 00:33:11.285 of personal security like a firearm. 00:33:11.735 --> 00:33:15.634 If you're a, if you're a single mom or a young lady, having a shotgun 00:33:15.635 --> 00:33:17.634 is a definite source of security. 00:33:17.635 --> 00:33:20.165 If you've got one of those in your house, you feel, I feel 00:33:20.165 --> 00:33:21.665 a bit safer than I did before. 00:33:22.194 --> 00:33:28.285 Um, and I think, you know, I was told a very long time ago that for Canadian gun 00:33:28.285 --> 00:33:32.515 rights to succeed in the longterm, it has to be tied to a sense of security. 00:33:32.835 --> 00:33:36.205 Because that is the only reason truly to own a gun to need a 00:33:36.205 --> 00:33:37.965 gun is to protect yourself. 00:33:38.365 --> 00:33:39.825 Um, hunting is a great thing. 00:33:39.825 --> 00:33:41.715 And I know Canadians really like their hunting. 00:33:42.175 --> 00:33:43.505 Uh, I know you do for sure. 00:33:44.034 --> 00:33:48.104 See the Instagram, but you can buy food at the grocery store. 00:33:48.565 --> 00:33:48.984 And that's what. 00:33:49.315 --> 00:33:50.005 People know that. 00:33:50.325 --> 00:33:54.225 The only, there's one reason for someone to own a gun and to need 00:33:54.225 --> 00:33:58.924 a gun in an instant, and that is because their life is at risk. 00:33:58.924 --> 00:33:59.735 Maybe it's a cougar. 00:33:59.754 --> 00:34:00.575 Maybe it's a bear. 00:34:00.605 --> 00:34:01.625 Maybe it's a stalker. 00:34:01.685 --> 00:34:02.365 It doesn't matter. 00:34:02.605 --> 00:34:07.755 That is the one reason, the inalienable reason to say, I need this thing. 00:34:08.384 --> 00:34:12.315 And I think a lot of young people are kind of Realizing that because 00:34:12.315 --> 00:34:14.925 they've been forgotten by this government that they have no faith. 00:34:14.935 --> 00:34:17.835 The police will come you you talk to a 22 year Old and say 00:34:17.835 --> 00:34:18.945 hey if something is stolen. 00:34:19.135 --> 00:34:19.965 Do you call the cops? 00:34:19.965 --> 00:34:21.845 They don't know right? 00:34:22.355 --> 00:34:25.405 Because that's, that's their whole life has been in this situation 00:34:25.405 --> 00:34:28.565 where you can't get a doctor, you can't get the cops to come. 00:34:28.595 --> 00:34:30.415 Those are the two things that young Canadians know. 00:34:30.815 --> 00:34:36.985 Um, and I think that's something that, you know, that shift, the, the, the 00:34:36.985 --> 00:34:41.354 way they're pushing this forward, I, I hope that someone in Ottawa, hopefully 00:34:41.354 --> 00:34:44.185 amongst the Conservatives, kind of realizes like, hey, this is not the, 00:34:44.705 --> 00:34:49.775 The radioactive football that once was, I think that there is some room. 00:34:49.775 --> 00:34:53.355 And we saw that in the BC election when the conservatives and the NDP 00:34:53.365 --> 00:34:58.085 had that discussion around guns that that didn't go well for the NDP. 00:34:58.275 --> 00:35:02.074 They did not go up in the polls when they talked about how, you know, John Rustad 00:35:02.075 --> 00:35:03.604 wasn't going to enforce federal gun laws. 00:35:03.605 --> 00:35:04.145 No one cared. 00:35:04.405 --> 00:35:08.275 Like they said, John Rustad will not enforce federal gun laws. 00:35:08.295 --> 00:35:10.285 And their polls went exactly nowhere. 00:35:11.155 --> 00:35:14.345 And I think that's kind of evidence that even here in BC, which is. 00:35:14.995 --> 00:35:16.095 Typically kind of left leaning. 00:35:16.395 --> 00:35:18.795 Um, voters here did not care. 00:35:18.945 --> 00:35:20.165 They didn't resound. 00:35:20.215 --> 00:35:23.305 And I think there's that that has to say something to people. 00:35:23.365 --> 00:35:24.375 It's it's a big shift. 00:35:24.385 --> 00:35:29.984 So I do hope people get active and, you know, it's hard to 00:35:29.984 --> 00:35:31.064 see this far down the road. 00:35:31.064 --> 00:35:34.900 But as someone who Kind of does not want this issue to be political anymore, 00:35:34.940 --> 00:35:36.510 because I, I don't think it should be. 00:35:36.510 --> 00:35:38.720 I think it should be part of a larger public safety framework. 00:35:39.110 --> 00:35:45.860 Um, I hope that gun owners realize that they can have very real impact on the 00:35:45.860 --> 00:35:49.670 way this goes down the road, because, uh, federal elections are difficult. 00:35:49.850 --> 00:35:52.660 They'll, you know, we'll have millions of people voting in 00:35:52.660 --> 00:35:53.649 the next federal election. 00:35:54.155 --> 00:35:55.715 And as even 2. 00:35:55.715 --> 00:35:59.415 4 million gun owners, the way our riding systems work, it's hard to 00:35:59.415 --> 00:36:03.455 say if gun owners can actually sway an individual riding, nevermind 00:36:03.455 --> 00:36:04.805 an entire election outcome. 00:36:05.705 --> 00:36:09.355 But after this election, there's going to be two leadership campaigns 00:36:09.385 --> 00:36:12.894 for the NDP and the Liberal Party, and those will have tens of 00:36:12.895 --> 00:36:14.055 thousands of people voting in them. 00:36:14.650 --> 00:36:15.880 Those are much smaller numbers. 00:36:15.930 --> 00:36:17.430 They do not have a writing system. 00:36:17.470 --> 00:36:18.760 It's just an absolute vote. 00:36:19.460 --> 00:36:24.440 Um, I mean, Jagmeet Singh, I've said it numerous times because I 00:36:24.440 --> 00:36:26.119 really want people to realize this. 00:36:26.519 --> 00:36:28.560 He won the leadership of the NDP. 00:36:28.570 --> 00:36:32.269 The reason the NDP is supporting liberals is because he has a 00:36:32.269 --> 00:36:33.864 complete and utter stranglehold. 00:36:34.065 --> 00:36:35.495 On the new Democrats. 00:36:35.695 --> 00:36:40.885 He got that because he won that leadership election so decisively. 00:36:41.085 --> 00:36:44.745 He was basically allowed to replace the entire party establishment. 00:36:44.754 --> 00:36:45.794 Same as Justin Trudeau did, 00:36:46.184 --> 00:36:46.728 Travis Bader: but Jagmeet 00:36:46.728 --> 00:36:48.965 Daniel Fritter: Singh did this with 40, 000 votes. 00:36:49.945 --> 00:36:51.364 That's a few gun clubs 00:36:51.905 --> 00:36:52.095 Travis Bader: like 00:36:52.095 --> 00:36:56.494 Daniel Fritter: realistically, that is, that is five, six gun clubs in 00:36:56.494 --> 00:36:58.724 Ontario and major metro centers. 00:36:59.314 --> 00:37:03.714 If, if that's what it takes to control the new Democrats 00:37:03.785 --> 00:37:05.485 completely from the ground up. 00:37:07.060 --> 00:37:10.890 Gun owners can have a huge impact on those elections. 00:37:11.560 --> 00:37:14.000 And to go back to 2015, we heard about all these people that 00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:15.179 say, I'm a liberal gun owner. 00:37:15.180 --> 00:37:16.520 I can't vote for Stephen Harper. 00:37:16.550 --> 00:37:17.680 If you're one of those people. 00:37:18.410 --> 00:37:23.410 It's your time to shine, step up, you know, um, start, start 00:37:23.410 --> 00:37:24.970 making some, some noises. 00:37:24.990 --> 00:37:31.620 And we might see, hopefully my, my hope is that we see gun owners take 00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:37.169 ownership of these, these other political parties in some form, take a role and, 00:37:37.430 --> 00:37:41.009 and put the pin back in this grenade and say, Hey, we're done being this, 00:37:41.289 --> 00:37:42.409 we're done being a political football. 00:37:42.579 --> 00:37:45.259 This is a very real and salient public safety issue. 00:37:45.679 --> 00:37:46.409 It does not. 00:37:46.675 --> 00:37:48.685 It should not be batted back and forth like this. 00:37:49.345 --> 00:37:51.505 Travis Bader: I think that's a very powerful message. 00:37:51.545 --> 00:37:55.025 One that, uh, people listening to this podcast are looking for. 00:37:55.055 --> 00:37:59.694 I got a number of different phone calls and texts yesterday and today 00:38:00.185 --> 00:38:04.834 saying, can you tell me something that'll, uh, brighten my day? 00:38:04.835 --> 00:38:07.144 Can you tell me something that will give me some hope? 00:38:08.114 --> 00:38:13.120 And there's a deep part of me that says, I don't want to, I want you to be angry. 00:38:13.180 --> 00:38:17.400 I want you to look at what you can personally do because a second it's 00:38:17.400 --> 00:38:20.369 like, well, okay, well, I guess it doesn't really affect me quite yet. 00:38:20.439 --> 00:38:21.830 It gets put onto the back burner. 00:38:22.369 --> 00:38:29.399 And, and I think people have to realize if there's one thing that 00:38:29.400 --> 00:38:34.909 I can hopefully make clear from my precision anyways, is to reiterate. 00:38:35.120 --> 00:38:38.440 What Constantine Kissin says, the high level of personal 00:38:38.440 --> 00:38:40.010 agency that every individual has. 00:38:40.020 --> 00:38:43.860 When you're talking to 40, 000 people, you've got a voice. 00:38:43.880 --> 00:38:46.490 You're not stuck out there in the wind anymore. 00:38:46.490 --> 00:38:47.690 Your vote matters. 00:38:47.710 --> 00:38:48.529 I look at Alberta. 00:38:48.530 --> 00:38:51.379 I look at what they're doing and how they're, uh, the 00:38:51.379 --> 00:38:52.619 direction that they're taking. 00:38:53.090 --> 00:38:55.654 They don't have a massive population in Alberta. 00:38:55.885 --> 00:39:02.035 But they have a vocal group of constituents that are helping shape 00:39:02.195 --> 00:39:06.864 the direction of where they want to go in a way that, that aligns with 00:39:06.864 --> 00:39:10.154 the values that might be contrary to what the current narrative is, but 00:39:10.154 --> 00:39:11.894 they, they work for, for Albertans. 00:39:12.125 --> 00:39:12.924 So I will 00:39:12.925 --> 00:39:15.664 Daniel Fritter: say on that note, though, you just reminded me of something. 00:39:15.685 --> 00:39:20.445 This is something that concerns me a bit though, because, um, I don't know 00:39:20.445 --> 00:39:24.300 if we've spoken about it before, but I've, I've been somewhat concerned 00:39:24.310 --> 00:39:30.970 about, uh, a relatively recent trend amongst gun owners to download 00:39:31.090 --> 00:39:32.720 their responsibility, their agency. 00:39:33.440 --> 00:39:33.970 Travis Bader: Um, 00:39:34.839 --> 00:39:37.919 Daniel Fritter: because when I look at this and like, you know, like I said, 00:39:37.919 --> 00:39:42.080 I've been in this kind of political arena for 20 years on this 20 years ago. 00:39:42.660 --> 00:39:45.425 Um, And I'll say the names of the organizations. 00:39:45.685 --> 00:39:49.565 I don't mean to, I'm not trying to say it, just this is reality. 00:39:49.585 --> 00:39:51.415 We had the CSSA and the NFA. 00:39:51.605 --> 00:39:54.534 And while we were trying to get rid of that long gun registry 00:39:54.534 --> 00:39:58.764 with Harper's Minority, uh, we needed Jack Layton's NDP to vote. 00:39:59.365 --> 00:40:02.335 in favor of Candace Bergen's bill to get rid of it. 00:40:02.335 --> 00:40:02.985 And it was close. 00:40:02.995 --> 00:40:04.815 Like it was a private member's bill. 00:40:05.315 --> 00:40:08.735 There was, I remember it was the first time I watched, uh, the Secu meetings. 00:40:08.735 --> 00:40:11.845 It was a big deal and gun owners are very invested in it because 00:40:12.165 --> 00:40:15.435 Jack Layton had quite famously said he would not whip the vote. 00:40:15.864 --> 00:40:20.215 He would let his constituents and his caucus vote how they wanted to. 00:40:20.435 --> 00:40:24.965 So we saw an opportunity and we pushed hard and the organizations, uh, at 00:40:24.965 --> 00:40:31.525 play at this time said they did not say You know, donate to us and support us. 00:40:31.525 --> 00:40:35.534 They said, go to your MP phone, your MP donate 3. 00:40:35.535 --> 00:40:38.195 91 to the conservative party to show them. 00:40:38.215 --> 00:40:39.024 This is what you want. 00:40:39.025 --> 00:40:39.965 This is a priority for you. 00:40:40.895 --> 00:40:44.745 They told gun owners to interface with their elected representatives. 00:40:45.194 --> 00:40:46.805 They gave form letters. 00:40:46.834 --> 00:40:48.225 I know because I was part of the guy. 00:40:48.285 --> 00:40:51.045 It's one of the guys writing those form letters to say, here's a form letter. 00:40:51.075 --> 00:40:56.015 Give this to your MP because you know, one lobbyist from one organization 00:40:56.015 --> 00:40:59.124 going to the government saying, I represent a very large lobby group. 00:40:59.725 --> 00:41:05.205 It's still just one person, you know, we had MPs complaining that 00:41:05.205 --> 00:41:08.665 their offices were receiving too much mail about the long gun registry. 00:41:09.185 --> 00:41:13.345 That is, that is what got it almost repealed back then. 00:41:13.345 --> 00:41:16.064 And if we had gotten it repealed under the minority, we might actually have 00:41:16.064 --> 00:41:19.134 a simplified classification system now because Harper could have done 00:41:19.134 --> 00:41:20.475 something else with the majority. 00:41:20.794 --> 00:41:22.455 Um, cause all this stuff is progressive. 00:41:22.455 --> 00:41:24.915 Like you do one thing and then the next and the next. 00:41:25.415 --> 00:41:30.415 Um, and I think that there's, there's been a shift recently towards more of a. 00:41:31.035 --> 00:41:33.495 I, I, I'm a member of an organization. 00:41:33.495 --> 00:41:34.405 Therefore I've done enough. 00:41:35.155 --> 00:41:35.515 Travis Bader: And that's 00:41:35.525 --> 00:41:36.245 Daniel Fritter: not the case. 00:41:36.295 --> 00:41:37.415 It doesn't work that way. 00:41:37.465 --> 00:41:41.995 Like, you know, the gold standard of all these organizations as controversial as 00:41:41.995 --> 00:41:47.225 they are historically speaking has been the NRA and the NRA does do a lot of 00:41:47.225 --> 00:41:50.885 work in Washington, but they also do a lot of work to empower their membership 00:41:51.114 --> 00:41:53.243 to say, you are your own advocate. 00:41:53.243 --> 00:41:55.574 Um, we can give you the tools. 00:41:55.855 --> 00:41:58.435 We're here to help you, but we're not going to do it for you. 00:41:58.454 --> 00:41:59.665 No one can do it for you. 00:42:00.215 --> 00:42:05.285 And I think that's where Um, I want gun owners, if you're, if they're angry about 00:42:05.285 --> 00:42:09.145 this, if they're pissed off after this latest ban, take that anger to your MP, 00:42:09.435 --> 00:42:15.014 do it politely, but don't, don't think that someone else is going to, to, like, 00:42:15.245 --> 00:42:18.825 I'm not going to call your MP, I'm going to cover the news, I'm going to try and 00:42:18.825 --> 00:42:21.325 give you guys tools, I'm going to give people form letters, I'm going to give 00:42:21.325 --> 00:42:25.765 them facts and points that they can raise with their MP, but that's your MP, you're 00:42:25.765 --> 00:42:30.325 their constituent, they work for you, make them work for you, like, Go there and say, 00:42:30.325 --> 00:42:32.805 Hey, I'm the taxpayer that you represent. 00:42:33.205 --> 00:42:35.265 I'm the one that you go to Ottawa to represent. 00:42:35.715 --> 00:42:37.335 Here's why I'm pissed about this. 00:42:37.755 --> 00:42:44.664 Because until we start to see that happen again, um, government is just going 00:42:44.664 --> 00:42:46.155 to keep doing this stuff in isolation. 00:42:46.164 --> 00:42:50.044 And I think this also extends to the conservatives where if, if you're 00:42:50.045 --> 00:42:54.370 worried that Polyev won't repeal this stuff fast enough, well, Go knock on 00:42:54.370 --> 00:42:56.820 their door, make them like, you know, 00:42:56.820 --> 00:42:57.619 Travis Bader: if, 00:42:57.620 --> 00:42:58.320 Daniel Fritter: if 2. 00:42:58.530 --> 00:43:01.240 4 million of us, we, we can't sway an electoral outcome, but we can't 00:43:01.250 --> 00:43:03.120 absolutely be the squeakiest wheel. 00:43:03.579 --> 00:43:06.470 And we have been nowhere near that for the last few years. 00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:10.490 And I think, um, I think that's kind of what has gotten us where we are. 00:43:10.490 --> 00:43:14.280 And I think, uh, if we don't change that attitude and we don't start to 00:43:14.280 --> 00:43:18.060 say as a community, like, no, I am, I may be a member of whatever your 00:43:18.070 --> 00:43:21.570 favorite organization is, but I am the one that's going to abdicate for me. 00:43:23.540 --> 00:43:25.130 You know, it, it doesn't work. 00:43:25.150 --> 00:43:27.430 You can't, you can't let other people do that for you. 00:43:27.430 --> 00:43:27.950 It doesn't work. 00:43:28.380 --> 00:43:28.800 Travis Bader: I agree. 00:43:28.890 --> 00:43:32.480 And that's one message that I've tried to get out in so many different ways. 00:43:32.519 --> 00:43:36.169 And I, I don't know when it's going to hit. 00:43:36.440 --> 00:43:39.690 Hopefully when that pendulum gets pushed far enough, people 00:43:39.699 --> 00:43:41.349 will start seeing it sink in. 00:43:41.389 --> 00:43:45.259 I, it doesn't matter what gun club, what organization, what 00:43:45.419 --> 00:43:50.355 group that you're Belonging to there is a disservice being done. 00:43:50.365 --> 00:43:54.245 If they're espousing to be the savior for you, and they're going to make everything 00:43:54.255 --> 00:43:57.235 great, because that's not, that's not the role of these organizations. 00:43:57.555 --> 00:44:02.404 These role organizations are fantastic for disseminating information, for keeping 00:44:02.404 --> 00:44:07.875 you updated so that you can go out and do something yourself, but the second you, 00:44:08.295 --> 00:44:14.165 uh, give that control over and figure I'm done, I donated a hundred bucks or 00:44:14.165 --> 00:44:15.945 I donated a whole bunch more than that. 00:44:17.970 --> 00:44:19.660 It goes nowhere. 00:44:19.730 --> 00:44:20.620 It really does. 00:44:20.640 --> 00:44:25.780 Uh, without going too far down the rabbit hole of where it can go, where human 00:44:25.780 --> 00:44:27.420 nature can take these sorts of things. 00:44:28.980 --> 00:44:37.379 I think people should realize that so much can be changed just by them taking a 00:44:37.379 --> 00:44:45.085 small step on a consistent basis to never, Underappreciate the value of consistent, 00:44:45.185 --> 00:44:47.435 small action over the longterm. 00:44:47.885 --> 00:44:53.425 You know, I, I did a podcast with Rachel Attila, um, masterclass on how to get your 00:44:53.425 --> 00:44:55.804 author authorization to carry a firearm. 00:44:56.435 --> 00:45:01.645 Now I've been successful through my company here of having people get their 00:45:01.645 --> 00:45:06.275 ATCs for a very long time, and I figured, you know, I got the secret sauce. 00:45:06.275 --> 00:45:09.594 I don't want to share it too far and too wide, not because I don't 00:45:09.595 --> 00:45:10.805 want others to replicate it, but. 00:45:10.985 --> 00:45:14.515 Because I don't want the firearms program to be like, okay, that's enough. 00:45:14.515 --> 00:45:15.805 We're going to close that tap now. 00:45:15.805 --> 00:45:16.095 Right. 00:45:16.945 --> 00:45:18.005 I was always a concern. 00:45:18.665 --> 00:45:22.835 And then finally, uh, when Rachel reached out, she was working with the national 00:45:22.835 --> 00:45:28.294 firearms association, a great organization doing great work in disseminating 00:45:28.304 --> 00:45:34.944 information, but not the place to go to if, uh, if you need immediate action on 00:45:34.944 --> 00:45:38.104 something or something solved for you, there's other places you can go to. 00:45:38.114 --> 00:45:38.454 Right. 00:45:38.934 --> 00:45:40.889 Anyways, he'd been working, I think it was four years with them. 00:45:41.660 --> 00:45:44.360 Uh, finally, they said, why don't you reach out to Travis? 00:45:44.370 --> 00:45:45.970 See what, see if he can help you. 00:45:45.990 --> 00:45:47.780 Within a few weeks, we had our ATC. 00:45:48.270 --> 00:45:50.340 I said, tell you what, Rachel, she's like, what I owe you. 00:45:50.390 --> 00:45:51.300 I said, nothing. 00:45:51.340 --> 00:45:52.250 I don't want anything. 00:45:52.290 --> 00:45:54.110 I want to see you to be successful. 00:45:54.670 --> 00:45:58.680 And once you're successful, why don't we talk about it? 00:45:59.320 --> 00:46:02.070 Why don't I take a different approach rather than trying to 00:46:02.080 --> 00:46:05.270 hold these cards close to my chest for fear of losing it all. 00:46:06.515 --> 00:46:11.035 Why don't I disseminate it far and wide for that to become the norm. 00:46:11.055 --> 00:46:13.815 So I drove 12 hours up to her place. 00:46:13.815 --> 00:46:15.824 I camped out for a few days. 00:46:15.855 --> 00:46:21.075 We recorded a podcast in an old barn with battery powered lights and cameras. 00:46:21.075 --> 00:46:25.675 And then I came back, drove another 12 hours back and. 00:46:26.885 --> 00:46:28.555 Then I edited the podcast. 00:46:29.225 --> 00:46:34.645 Then I wrote 20 pages of step by step how to get your authorization to carry. 00:46:34.715 --> 00:46:36.894 I supplemented that with another 30 pages. 00:46:36.894 --> 00:46:38.125 I provided it to the NFA. 00:46:38.144 --> 00:46:41.855 They made it look pretty with, uh, pictures and it's out. 00:46:41.905 --> 00:46:42.775 And what do I get? 00:46:43.764 --> 00:46:45.045 Oh, it's not worth the effort. 00:46:45.045 --> 00:46:46.305 Oh, why would I want to do it? 00:46:46.324 --> 00:46:49.075 Oh, Trav, can you, can you show me exactly what you mean? 00:46:49.125 --> 00:46:49.485 I, I. 00:46:49.795 --> 00:46:52.535 I want to do it, but I don't want to do it unless there's a guarantee. 00:46:53.025 --> 00:46:54.315 Holy crow. 00:46:54.455 --> 00:46:57.725 Not only is there a step by step program that someone has put out for 00:46:57.725 --> 00:47:02.044 you, the amount of people that reach out who are too afraid to stick their 00:47:02.045 --> 00:47:06.445 neck out and actually try it because of perceived repercussions or because of 00:47:06.445 --> 00:47:12.515 perceived costs, real or perceived, uh, It's been a, it's been mind boggling. 00:47:12.545 --> 00:47:18.835 And so my goal, my, my whole push in this right now is just to get people to 00:47:18.835 --> 00:47:22.475 realize that I'm no different than them. 00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:24.820 Dan, you're no different from the next person. 00:47:24.910 --> 00:47:27.550 You're just sticking your neck out and pushing a little bit. 00:47:27.590 --> 00:47:29.780 You're just voicing what you feel to be true. 00:47:29.780 --> 00:47:33.239 And we're not all going to have the right answers, but we're going 00:47:33.240 --> 00:47:34.549 to come up with different ideas. 00:47:34.550 --> 00:47:40.689 Like I, there's a very cool idea that, uh, I'm not going to mention on this podcast. 00:47:41.149 --> 00:47:42.070 It's not my idea. 00:47:42.079 --> 00:47:46.560 It's not for me to spill, but there is, there is some light at the 00:47:46.560 --> 00:47:50.070 end of the tunnel by some smart individuals and smart businesses. 00:47:50.420 --> 00:47:54.460 That, um, could make some big waves. 00:47:54.470 --> 00:47:57.270 So there are things for people to look forward to. 00:47:57.270 --> 00:48:01.039 And what I would encourage people is to come up with their own, come up with their 00:48:01.040 --> 00:48:04.899 own smart ideas and different ways that they can actually make these things work. 00:48:05.390 --> 00:48:06.710 Daniel Fritter: I mean, don't be scared of failure. 00:48:06.779 --> 00:48:07.059 Travis Bader: Like 00:48:07.300 --> 00:48:12.171 Daniel Fritter: I heard a lot, cause in my world, it's a lot of, I, I've 00:48:12.171 --> 00:48:14.774 been saying for years, contact your MP. 00:48:15.345 --> 00:48:18.435 Open a conversation, become someone who they know. 00:48:18.595 --> 00:48:22.365 So if you bump into them at the Canada day parade, they go, Oh, it's, it's Dan. 00:48:22.475 --> 00:48:23.944 I mean, I have that relationship with my MP. 00:48:24.305 --> 00:48:25.045 I see Tracy. 00:48:25.045 --> 00:48:25.595 She knows me. 00:48:25.694 --> 00:48:30.305 She says, hi, there's no reason that you shouldn't have that. 00:48:30.475 --> 00:48:32.195 Um, we pay them a lot of money. 00:48:32.444 --> 00:48:34.564 And so you may as well get your, like, I view it as kind of like 00:48:34.565 --> 00:48:35.815 a get your value out of it. 00:48:36.475 --> 00:48:38.865 I hear from a lot of people that they don't want to contact them 00:48:38.875 --> 00:48:40.615 because they're worried they'll say the wrong thing, or they don't 00:48:40.615 --> 00:48:41.695 know how to say the right thing. 00:48:42.045 --> 00:48:45.135 It's sort of the stuff you can send your MP an email. 00:48:45.205 --> 00:48:46.075 It can say. 00:48:46.260 --> 00:48:47.230 One sentence. 00:48:47.620 --> 00:48:50.850 I am very unhappy about this most recent gun ban. 00:48:51.080 --> 00:48:53.030 Please contact me done. 00:48:53.250 --> 00:48:57.810 That's all you've got to say because you don't, there's, there is this 00:48:57.810 --> 00:49:03.730 sort of pathological need to fire and forget one step solution. 00:49:03.830 --> 00:49:05.679 Like I'm going to write an email and they're going to, 00:49:05.730 --> 00:49:07.190 they're going to take it back. 00:49:07.630 --> 00:49:08.469 They're probably not. 00:49:08.870 --> 00:49:12.560 Realistically, but what we need is them to get a lot of emails 00:49:12.760 --> 00:49:13.780 and that's what they're logging. 00:49:13.790 --> 00:49:16.500 That's what the data collection at the party level is doing. 00:49:17.140 --> 00:49:18.330 Your email can literally say. 00:49:18.740 --> 00:49:19.330 Fuck you. 00:49:20.180 --> 00:49:22.680 Like, it can just say, I hate the gun ban. 00:49:22.680 --> 00:49:23.740 Fuck you at the end. 00:49:24.250 --> 00:49:26.810 And your MP is going to log that as, Oh, I've, I've received a 00:49:26.810 --> 00:49:29.350 lot of emails from people that are unhappy about this gun ban. 00:49:29.720 --> 00:49:34.140 It's not incumbent on any gun owner to fix this problem. 00:49:34.730 --> 00:49:38.830 It is incumbent upon them to take ownership of this problem and present 00:49:38.990 --> 00:49:43.155 to their elected representative and say, Hey, This is not what I want 00:49:43.155 --> 00:49:45.005 you to be doing and you work for me. 00:49:45.045 --> 00:49:46.235 That's all you've got to do. 00:49:46.725 --> 00:49:50.575 Um, but it is not up to you, just like it's not up to, you know, the 00:49:50.925 --> 00:49:52.875 CCFR, the CSSA, the NFA, the CSAAA. 00:49:52.875 --> 00:49:55.215 It's not up to any of those organizations to fix this problem. 00:49:55.215 --> 00:49:56.395 This is government's problem. 00:49:56.635 --> 00:49:58.365 It will be another government that fixes it. 00:49:59.355 --> 00:50:01.334 It is up to us to be our own advocates. 00:50:01.334 --> 00:50:05.970 And, and, you know, Tony, Tracy, Rod, doesn't matter who it is, Rick from 00:50:05.970 --> 00:50:11.280 the NFA, none of them can go to 338 ridings and go to the MP's office and 00:50:11.280 --> 00:50:15.020 sit down and say, Hey, I'm here to represent my constituents in this area. 00:50:15.220 --> 00:50:16.730 Cause that's not how MPs will work. 00:50:16.730 --> 00:50:18.799 First off, they want your postal code because they want to know that. 00:50:20.940 --> 00:50:23.800 Um, once you've got that magical postal code from their 00:50:23.800 --> 00:50:24.840 writing, they start listening. 00:50:24.890 --> 00:50:25.740 They have to care. 00:50:26.040 --> 00:50:28.989 There are people there who we pay, who have to listen to you. 00:50:29.380 --> 00:50:31.920 Um, you don't have to say the perfect thing. 00:50:32.390 --> 00:50:33.310 You should be polite. 00:50:33.310 --> 00:50:37.229 I would not suggest saying, fuck you, that probably won't go so far. 00:50:37.229 --> 00:50:42.050 But you know, if, if, if the option is realistic at this point, I'll say, Perhaps 00:50:42.050 --> 00:50:46.370 unpopular and perhaps unprofessional, uh, if it's between a gun owner, not sending 00:50:46.370 --> 00:50:49.870 an email and a gun owner sending an email that just says, fuck you, I'd rather the 00:50:49.870 --> 00:50:56.860 latter just do it like we're, it just, it's better than nothing, you know, like 00:50:57.009 --> 00:50:58.899 you just need to get in touch with them. 00:50:59.200 --> 00:51:01.289 You just need to start the conversation. 00:51:01.470 --> 00:51:03.830 Um, you don't have to do it perfectly. 00:51:04.210 --> 00:51:07.150 You don't have to be a wizard with words. 00:51:07.160 --> 00:51:07.620 Just. 00:51:08.345 --> 00:51:09.115 Just try. 00:51:09.145 --> 00:51:09.865 Don't be scared. 00:51:09.935 --> 00:51:12.935 They're not, they're not going to email you back and say, you're going to jail. 00:51:13.095 --> 00:51:14.785 That's, that's not something you're going to do. 00:51:15.205 --> 00:51:17.265 So you don't really have a lot of fear. 00:51:17.265 --> 00:51:19.724 And again, like I said, it's getting your value out of it. 00:51:19.725 --> 00:51:21.544 This is, these are the people we pay. 00:51:22.185 --> 00:51:26.445 They were probably in many cases, they were not elected by you because 00:51:26.454 --> 00:51:29.245 they might be someone that you did not vote for, but nonetheless, 00:51:29.245 --> 00:51:30.445 they still have to represent you. 00:51:30.715 --> 00:51:31.555 They don't have to like you. 00:51:32.745 --> 00:51:33.705 They should represent you. 00:51:33.705 --> 00:51:36.435 And the only way they can do so is if you stand up and say, Hey, 00:51:36.435 --> 00:51:37.685 I am here to be represented. 00:51:39.165 --> 00:51:42.045 Travis Bader: You know, they're just people like you or I, 00:51:42.085 --> 00:51:44.135 and we want to be successful. 00:51:44.185 --> 00:51:45.925 We want to sound intelligent. 00:51:45.965 --> 00:51:49.195 We want to be on the right side of history and be doing the right thing. 00:51:49.955 --> 00:51:56.245 And sometimes if we come to someone with a problem, also approaching them with a 00:51:56.255 --> 00:52:01.905 solution is going to Provide some action points for that individual to take off 00:52:01.905 --> 00:52:06.775 with, or oftentimes what I've seen is people who are eloquent, who can write 00:52:06.775 --> 00:52:12.015 a nice letter, who can, uh, couch a letter or frame an argument or, or put 00:52:12.015 --> 00:52:17.425 something together in a way that, uh, will make their MLA or their MP looks smart. 00:52:17.864 --> 00:52:21.645 So all they have to do is say, well, I got this thing here and they can read it off. 00:52:22.115 --> 00:52:25.165 And then they can turn around and see, okay, what's, what's the temperature here. 00:52:25.325 --> 00:52:25.895 Oh, it's good. 00:52:25.895 --> 00:52:26.925 Yeah, no, I agree with it. 00:52:26.945 --> 00:52:27.435 Oh, it's bad. 00:52:27.435 --> 00:52:29.975 Oh, it's, it's one of my constituents, but it's my job to bring it up. 00:52:29.975 --> 00:52:30.285 Right. 00:52:30.865 --> 00:52:38.025 Um, being able to provide a solution or, uh, a way to frame 00:52:38.025 --> 00:52:39.605 the argument perhaps differently. 00:52:39.985 --> 00:52:42.194 Cause this, it never has been a gun issue. 00:52:43.465 --> 00:52:44.255 It never has been. 00:52:44.645 --> 00:52:47.865 If somebody wants a gun, we know it, they'll go, there's, 00:52:48.525 --> 00:52:49.735 they'll find a gun illegally. 00:52:49.925 --> 00:52:52.464 You make all guns illegal, then they're going to all have illegal guns. 00:52:52.465 --> 00:52:52.685 Right. 00:52:53.105 --> 00:52:57.475 How many more crimes are being committed by these AR 15s and these handguns. 00:52:57.475 --> 00:53:02.105 And since all of these measures are being put into place, said zero effect on that. 00:53:02.645 --> 00:53:05.245 Um, but if we can frame liberals 00:53:05.255 --> 00:53:07.845 Daniel Fritter: know this, especially because this is the party that legalized 00:53:07.855 --> 00:53:10.125 marijuana to make it not criminal. 00:53:10.274 --> 00:53:14.055 Like they took the, the, one of the things that bothers me the most about all of 00:53:14.055 --> 00:53:18.195 this is the logical inconsistency of, you know, In 2015, we're going to legalize 00:53:18.195 --> 00:53:20.905 this drug because too many criminals are selling it and we want to get it 00:53:20.935 --> 00:53:22.385 out of the control of the black market. 00:53:22.385 --> 00:53:23.525 So we're going to make it legal. 00:53:23.735 --> 00:53:27.385 We're going to put on all these regulatory frame rails that people have to abide by. 00:53:27.835 --> 00:53:31.984 Um, and then they turn around later and go, we need to now ban this 00:53:32.005 --> 00:53:35.675 other thing to move it into the black market and make sure criminals are 00:53:35.675 --> 00:53:36.845 the only people that control it. 00:53:36.875 --> 00:53:38.895 It's not logically consistent. 00:53:39.225 --> 00:53:39.375 Travis Bader: And I 00:53:39.405 --> 00:53:40.675 Daniel Fritter: think that's where, you know, like you say, 00:53:40.675 --> 00:53:42.985 if you bring a solution forward, if you have a liberal MP. 00:53:42.985 --> 00:53:42.999 Yeah. 00:53:43.430 --> 00:53:44.750 Maybe that's what you put forward to them. 00:53:44.810 --> 00:53:48.120 And you say, look, you were elected in 2015 to move drugs 00:53:48.190 --> 00:53:49.110 out of the black market. 00:53:49.110 --> 00:53:50.920 Now you are doing the opposite with firearms. 00:53:51.140 --> 00:53:53.480 Why does this, this does not make sense. 00:53:53.620 --> 00:53:54.800 You know, explain it to me. 00:53:55.540 --> 00:53:56.440 Yeah, I like that. 00:53:56.450 --> 00:53:57.189 I don't think they can, 00:53:57.769 --> 00:54:00.559 Travis Bader: but people like control, you're losing control. 00:54:00.590 --> 00:54:02.919 You no longer know where the firearms are. 00:54:02.920 --> 00:54:05.609 You no longer know where the people with firearms are. 00:54:07.079 --> 00:54:08.699 Don't you want that level of control? 00:54:08.929 --> 00:54:10.090 Here's one way you can do it. 00:54:11.210 --> 00:54:11.440 Daniel Fritter: Yeah. 00:54:11.440 --> 00:54:12.260 I think that's a legit point. 00:54:12.515 --> 00:54:15.395 Like, I think that's a legitimately concerning, I've said this before too. 00:54:15.395 --> 00:54:19.705 It's one of my concerns with the ban from 2020 is that, um, all of the 00:54:19.705 --> 00:54:21.325 non restricted prohibited firearms. 00:54:21.445 --> 00:54:22.815 Now they can't be used, right? 00:54:22.825 --> 00:54:24.035 Like you can't take them to the range. 00:54:24.035 --> 00:54:24.444 You can't do anything. 00:54:24.445 --> 00:54:25.295 You can't sell them. 00:54:25.814 --> 00:54:31.814 Um, that's not a great situation as, as far as like from someone who looks at it 00:54:32.005 --> 00:54:33.665 forensically from a crime perspective. 00:54:34.125 --> 00:54:38.015 Um, you just marginalized hundreds of thousands of guns. 00:54:38.660 --> 00:54:42.740 That are really they're not guns that are used in crimes very often for logistical 00:54:42.740 --> 00:54:47.410 reasons it's hard to hide a visa at 58 in your pants, but They are not the 00:54:47.410 --> 00:54:48.910 guns and I think I speak for most games. 00:54:49.029 --> 00:54:50.040 Those are not the guns. 00:54:50.080 --> 00:54:53.930 I want criminal using I do not want a guy rolling around with an Orenco m14 because 00:54:53.930 --> 00:54:56.855 that is That's a pretty significant rifle. 00:54:56.895 --> 00:54:57.375 308. 00:54:57.385 --> 00:54:58.245 It's a main battle rifle. 00:54:58.245 --> 00:55:00.515 Like it's a big rifle. 00:55:01.585 --> 00:55:07.125 If uncle Bob has one and he can't use it and he's had it for 10 years. 00:55:07.135 --> 00:55:09.635 He didn't do the buyback cause he thought screw Trudeau. 00:55:10.304 --> 00:55:13.925 Um, and we're only five years away from this tenure 00:55:14.495 --> 00:55:16.104 hypothetical, which is shocking. 00:55:16.734 --> 00:55:21.225 Um, and the, the kind of crappy nephew comes up at the family barbecue and says, 00:55:21.225 --> 00:55:22.985 Hey, uncle Bob, you still got that rifle? 00:55:23.775 --> 00:55:25.965 And he goes, eh, yeah, I think so. 00:55:26.125 --> 00:55:27.505 I think it's up in the garage actually. 00:55:27.505 --> 00:55:27.865 Why? 00:55:28.284 --> 00:55:29.495 Oh, I know a guy that'll buy it off you. 00:55:29.495 --> 00:55:29.559 Yeah. 00:55:30.590 --> 00:55:34.780 And he, this is, this is the porous nature of the black market. 00:55:34.790 --> 00:55:39.300 And I think this is a very serious risk that the government has exposed all of 00:55:39.300 --> 00:55:45.000 us to because yeah, if, if this is a very realistic thing that will happen, um, 00:55:45.039 --> 00:55:46.910 it's why a ton of criminals use cooies. 00:55:47.200 --> 00:55:48.220 Cause they're everywhere. 00:55:48.520 --> 00:55:51.480 You, you break into any 80 year olds house, you will come back 00:55:51.480 --> 00:55:52.750 with a coolie single shot rifle. 00:55:53.060 --> 00:55:57.250 Probably, um, we are now setting up a condition where there's going to be 00:55:57.250 --> 00:56:00.479 a bunch of other guns that, you know, people don't want to give them to 00:56:00.480 --> 00:56:04.369 the government because why would you want to cooperate with this program? 00:56:04.370 --> 00:56:07.735 If you don't need the money, It just is kind of an almost spiteful thing 00:56:07.735 --> 00:56:12.165 to say no, um, but where do those guns end up eventually if they don't 00:56:12.165 --> 00:56:17.785 enter a legal, if they do not become legal again, like realistically in 10, 00:56:18.024 --> 00:56:20.035 20, 30, where do these guns end up? 00:56:20.435 --> 00:56:20.695 Right. 00:56:20.704 --> 00:56:24.105 Like, are we just supposed to expect that everyone will die on the estate? 00:56:24.105 --> 00:56:26.055 We'll hand them over to the RCMP and we'll get shredded. 00:56:26.095 --> 00:56:28.075 Like, is that a, is that realistic? 00:56:28.255 --> 00:56:28.715 No. 00:56:29.275 --> 00:56:35.310 Um, So they are kind of pushing a lot of these rifles that they don't, they're 00:56:35.310 --> 00:56:39.810 saying we don't want criminal using into criminal hands the longer this goes on. 00:56:39.930 --> 00:56:42.790 It is the exact same as the marijuana legalization thing. 00:56:42.790 --> 00:56:45.820 You need these things to be on the quote unquote white market. 00:56:45.830 --> 00:56:47.099 You need people to be using them. 00:56:47.330 --> 00:56:50.290 You want licensed people to have regulations on how they should store 00:56:50.290 --> 00:56:53.580 them, um, shoving them into the shadows. 00:56:53.860 --> 00:56:58.240 I've, I'm putting out a sticker set called Schrodinger's Gats, um, 00:56:58.430 --> 00:57:01.930 cause they're guns that both exist and don't exist, you know, like you 00:57:01.930 --> 00:57:03.750 might have one, but no one knows it. 00:57:03.770 --> 00:57:05.280 And there it is. 00:57:05.280 --> 00:57:08.890 So, and I think there's so many of them and this list, the farther they expand 00:57:08.890 --> 00:57:10.900 it, the more guns get involved in it. 00:57:11.350 --> 00:57:14.440 Um, I mean, we might now be looking at like a million plus. 00:57:15.420 --> 00:57:19.460 firearms that are prohibited, non restricted, no regulation 00:57:19.470 --> 00:57:20.570 or no paperwork on them. 00:57:20.610 --> 00:57:24.069 The government has no idea who owns them, uh, that are going to just get 00:57:24.070 --> 00:57:28.169 shuffled away into the back corners of closets and, and hidden away. 00:57:28.200 --> 00:57:30.310 Cause you know, Oh, I wasn't supposed to keep this, but I'm 00:57:30.310 --> 00:57:31.469 not going to tell anyone about it. 00:57:31.500 --> 00:57:36.200 And I think that's, um, that is not, again, this is harmful policy. 00:57:36.200 --> 00:57:39.860 It is not improving public safety in any way, you know? 00:57:40.330 --> 00:57:44.499 Um, and I think, I wish I could say that the liberals were going 00:57:44.499 --> 00:57:45.910 to realize this and roll it back. 00:57:45.920 --> 00:57:46.949 Cause I think that would be. 00:57:47.330 --> 00:57:50.579 The best thing for all of us, but, um, I don't see that 00:57:50.580 --> 00:57:52.580 happening from what I've heard. 00:57:52.580 --> 00:57:53.880 It's basically just the Trudeau party. 00:57:53.890 --> 00:57:57.560 He does what he wants and everyone listens to him and he doesn't take anything back. 00:57:57.560 --> 00:57:59.480 So, you know, um, 00:58:00.250 --> 00:58:00.690 Travis Bader: we'll see. 00:58:02.539 --> 00:58:08.059 Um, so key takeaways for people, the new lists that came out yesterday, you 00:58:08.060 --> 00:58:09.540 can't take them to the range anymore. 00:58:09.770 --> 00:58:10.900 You can't sell them. 00:58:11.110 --> 00:58:11.440 They're just. 00:58:12.040 --> 00:58:15.660 Sitting in your safe now, people should be aware of that. 00:58:15.660 --> 00:58:19.590 And that's, uh, where that one's at, um, buyback. 00:58:19.640 --> 00:58:23.500 Have you heard any, any rumor on what a buyback looks like? 00:58:23.500 --> 00:58:25.740 Everything I've heard is like 10 cents on the dollar. 00:58:26.849 --> 00:58:30.380 Daniel Fritter: I've been digging into that pretty heavily with a tips and stuff. 00:58:30.480 --> 00:58:33.469 Uh, so obviously phase one, the business component starts today. 00:58:34.039 --> 00:58:37.989 Um, the individual component phase two. 00:58:39.055 --> 00:58:43.125 Is not planned in this fiscal year. 00:58:43.575 --> 00:58:47.795 Uh, so the soonest that we would expect to see that begin would be March 00:58:47.804 --> 00:58:49.845 of 2025 or April or other of 2025. 00:58:50.595 --> 00:58:54.315 Um, that's where it gets into the, I don't know when the next 00:58:54.315 --> 00:58:55.975 election is likely to occur. 00:58:56.345 --> 00:59:00.475 Um, obviously the amnesty is until October 25th, I believe it is, which 00:59:00.475 --> 00:59:04.505 is very close to the selection date, but that can be extended and I think 00:59:04.505 --> 00:59:05.665 gun owners should probably expect this. 00:59:05.665 --> 00:59:05.825 The. 00:59:06.065 --> 00:59:07.845 That can be extended within five minutes. 00:59:07.895 --> 00:59:10.165 Like they, they write a piece of paper, they extend the amnesty, 00:59:10.165 --> 00:59:12.755 which I think is probably likely. 00:59:12.755 --> 00:59:16.355 Cause even if Polly have comes in, in March, I mean, maybe they'd have 00:59:16.355 --> 00:59:19.765 to extend the amnesty because I guess unless they were to undo the OIC 00:59:19.775 --> 00:59:21.054 immediately, but that would be difficult. 00:59:21.085 --> 00:59:24.585 Cause the summer, summer break for the legislature would, they're not going to 00:59:24.594 --> 00:59:28.445 have a lot of weeks after the election and they're going to be kind of busy, 00:59:28.465 --> 00:59:32.520 you know, Making the next government right appointing ministers and coming 00:59:32.520 --> 00:59:33.860 up with mandate letters takes time. 00:59:33.860 --> 00:59:36.630 So I would expect the amnesty date to be extended. 00:59:36.670 --> 00:59:41.730 But, um, so basically soon as we can expect to see news on the 00:59:41.730 --> 00:59:43.200 individual component is March. 00:59:43.720 --> 00:59:45.710 Um, it is. 00:59:46.525 --> 00:59:50.765 Somewhat murky still, it looks like they're trying to get buy 00:59:50.765 --> 00:59:54.555 in from, from the government and from police departments and stuff. 00:59:54.925 --> 00:59:58.670 We did hear Dominic LeBlanc, for example, say that the Sûreté du 00:59:58.670 --> 01:00:04.364 Québec, the Quebec police would go door to door, um, which that was a bit 01:00:04.364 --> 01:00:10.165 frightening for me, um, to hear, cause that's, that's not a good situation. 01:00:10.235 --> 01:00:13.265 Um, and in talking with some colleagues about it. 01:00:14.440 --> 01:00:15.310 It doesn't make any sense. 01:00:15.380 --> 01:00:18.210 It's a hugely expensive and no one has the police officers to 01:00:18.220 --> 01:00:19.920 expend doing that kind of thing. 01:00:19.920 --> 01:00:23.590 I mean, here in Kelowna, we've, we've got like three cops, you know, that we 01:00:23.590 --> 01:00:26.530 don't have, we do not have the manpower to be, to be going door to door. 01:00:26.869 --> 01:00:31.849 Um, moreover, uh, going door to door to people that own guns is not something 01:00:31.850 --> 01:00:33.549 police officers really want to do. 01:00:34.110 --> 01:00:37.190 Um, usually, you know, if they were to serve a warrant for someone that had 01:00:37.190 --> 01:00:39.690 a bunch of guns, that involves ERT. 01:00:39.700 --> 01:00:41.160 It's like a three day process. 01:00:41.160 --> 01:00:44.409 They've got to make a plan because the concern is there right after, 01:00:44.660 --> 01:00:47.579 especially after Mayor Thorpe, that institution has learned some lessons 01:00:47.620 --> 01:00:49.270 and they do not take this stuff lightly. 01:00:49.950 --> 01:00:54.740 Um, so I don't, that was an interesting thing because as I said with 01:00:54.740 --> 01:00:58.970 colleagues there, uh, some of them, some of my colleagues think it almost 01:00:58.970 --> 01:01:02.400 sounds as if the create a conflict. 01:01:03.130 --> 01:01:06.820 And I mean that in like a, a violent kind of way, not a conflict of interests, 01:01:06.820 --> 01:01:12.150 but like a, like, why, why would you even hint, you know, almost a year 01:01:12.150 --> 01:01:13.609 away from the end of the amnesty? 01:01:14.210 --> 01:01:16.499 Why would you start talking about cops going door to door? 01:01:16.810 --> 01:01:19.240 Like that's, that's inflammatory. 01:01:19.555 --> 01:01:21.045 It's so far down the road. 01:01:21.045 --> 01:01:23.525 It's in the next fiscal year for the Quebec police. 01:01:23.525 --> 01:01:27.095 I can almost guarantee it's not on an operational plan anywhere 01:01:27.125 --> 01:01:28.315 because it's so far away. 01:01:29.195 --> 01:01:30.995 They can't knock on a door until the amnesty is over, 01:01:31.305 --> 01:01:31.635 Travis Bader: right? 01:01:31.705 --> 01:01:34.835 Daniel Fritter: Like we're talking October of next year with where no 01:01:34.835 --> 01:01:37.944 one has any misconceptions that this government will be still in power. 01:01:38.565 --> 01:01:42.745 Um, so I thought that was, you know, I thought that was telling. 01:01:43.345 --> 01:01:44.115 What do you think? 01:01:44.115 --> 01:01:48.445 Travis Bader: They're just speaking out of turn, talking without thinking, or 01:01:48.465 --> 01:01:50.135 maybe a little bit when they're, I don't 01:01:50.135 --> 01:01:52.555 Daniel Fritter: think Dominic LeBlanc is Dominic LeBlanc is 01:01:52.555 --> 01:01:54.145 no, I don't know him obviously. 01:01:54.314 --> 01:01:57.885 Um, but he does have a reputation for being very intelligent. 01:01:58.625 --> 01:02:00.925 and very good at politics. 01:02:01.005 --> 01:02:05.475 So speaking out of turn, not realizing what he was saying are not things 01:02:05.475 --> 01:02:07.535 that I would describe that to. 01:02:08.184 --> 01:02:12.465 Um, I think his testimony was very measured. 01:02:12.465 --> 01:02:16.744 I think he was trying to make a few points there, like pointing out that he'd already 01:02:16.745 --> 01:02:19.274 seen a destroyed firearm from phase one. 01:02:19.894 --> 01:02:25.790 Uh, obviously I, I think I've said this elsewhere too, that that was likely a gun 01:02:25.790 --> 01:02:30.150 that was seized from a bankrupt business, because compensation hasn't started the 01:02:30.150 --> 01:02:32.089 compensation package only came out today. 01:02:32.539 --> 01:02:35.630 So anything that had been seized previously was just seized and destroyed. 01:02:35.640 --> 01:02:37.759 It wasn't part of this compensation program. 01:02:38.299 --> 01:02:42.009 Um, but I think he was trying to position the government as 01:02:42.489 --> 01:02:43.839 having made progress on this. 01:02:44.495 --> 01:02:48.065 That's what I got from that was he's trying to say we have progress. 01:02:48.065 --> 01:02:48.815 We've already started. 01:02:48.815 --> 01:02:54.264 We are underway I think obviously the tie in with the the 35th anniversary 01:02:54.265 --> 01:02:58.394 of the polytechnic mass murder being involved He he hit a lot of key points 01:02:58.394 --> 01:03:01.964 that makes me think that comment about the police going door to door Was not an 01:03:01.974 --> 01:03:04.374 accident that there is something there. 01:03:04.374 --> 01:03:10.435 There is an intent by the government perhaps simply to express the seriousness 01:03:10.465 --> 01:03:11.945 that they're handling this with. 01:03:11.945 --> 01:03:15.355 Maybe it, maybe that was intended for the police suviant kind of 01:03:15.355 --> 01:03:19.855 audience who wants to see gun owners have cops knock on their door. 01:03:20.305 --> 01:03:24.744 Um, maybe that's how they felt the messaging would be delivered to gain 01:03:24.745 --> 01:03:28.074 to that mother of three in Toronto that they want to get to vote for them. 01:03:28.075 --> 01:03:28.985 Maybe that's who it was. 01:03:29.575 --> 01:03:34.105 I don't know if it landed with those people, but I do know that, um, for me as 01:03:34.105 --> 01:03:36.365 a gun owner, that's a terrifying prospect. 01:03:36.645 --> 01:03:39.860 And also again, Like I, I heard it and I just went like, 01:03:39.870 --> 01:03:41.570 when, when are you doing this? 01:03:41.570 --> 01:03:44.610 Like you were covered under an amnesty until next year. 01:03:45.400 --> 01:03:50.110 The cops don't really have a legal leg to stand on in order to come and seize guns. 01:03:50.180 --> 01:03:53.890 Um, it was, it was, it was a bizarre one, but it's, uh, 01:03:54.099 --> 01:03:55.260 that was certainly concerning. 01:03:56.069 --> 01:03:56.409 Travis Bader: Yeah. 01:03:56.420 --> 01:03:58.880 It does create a very us against them mentality. 01:03:59.060 --> 01:04:04.150 And I, I've talked about people about this before, because, you know, I look 01:04:04.150 --> 01:04:07.709 at the firearms community and there's new rules coming down and there's new 01:04:07.720 --> 01:04:11.620 regulations and gun clubs will say, well, we're going to create our own 01:04:11.630 --> 01:04:13.239 regulations, which are above them. 01:04:13.280 --> 01:04:16.014 So we can, we can manage ourselves because we want to try and fix it. 01:04:16.305 --> 01:04:18.785 We want to feel that's within our locus of control, and we're 01:04:18.785 --> 01:04:20.555 not being told what to do. 01:04:20.555 --> 01:04:28.794 And all of a sudden it becomes a very, a very strange, uh, environment where 01:04:28.795 --> 01:04:32.225 you got these range Nazis coming up with their own rules and very, very 01:04:32.225 --> 01:04:36.715 splintered, which is possibly all part of the, part of the, uh, the 01:04:36.715 --> 01:04:39.555 overall plan, but this us against them. 01:04:40.370 --> 01:04:41.710 It is on both sides. 01:04:42.080 --> 01:04:46.520 I remember years ago doing an A TIP when Canadian gun nuts or whatever, 01:04:46.520 --> 01:04:51.859 Canada gun nuts there, that web forum wasn't in its infancy, but it 01:04:51.879 --> 01:04:53.650 hadn't been around for a ton of time. 01:04:53.669 --> 01:04:57.229 And I remember reading one between, uh, the chief firearms officer 01:04:57.229 --> 01:04:59.980 of British Columbia and a couple of different firearms officers. 01:05:00.090 --> 01:05:01.940 And they're like, what's this Canadian gun nuts thing? 01:05:01.940 --> 01:05:04.640 And one of them says, Oh, so, so he's got an account. 01:05:05.415 --> 01:05:10.145 Um, he's looking into it in the comment comes back and says, Oh, I can just see 01:05:10.145 --> 01:05:14.004 these grown men living in their parents basements, crying about the fact that they 01:05:14.005 --> 01:05:21.135 can't own X, Y, Z, and the disdain that you can just see through these internal. 01:05:21.550 --> 01:05:24.470 Conversations, uh, is palpable. 01:05:25.020 --> 01:05:32.080 And I guess, I guess what I'm trying to get out here is that, you know, these 01:05:32.080 --> 01:05:35.850 are people too, they got emotions, they got feelings, they pick sides. 01:05:36.409 --> 01:05:44.160 And if us as gun owners play to the, our emotional side, like you can't do that. 01:05:44.170 --> 01:05:45.060 That's not right. 01:05:45.140 --> 01:05:48.380 Yeah, might well be the truth, but no one's going to listen to you in the 01:05:48.380 --> 01:05:53.479 same breath if the firearms officers are out there, if you're able. 01:05:53.545 --> 01:05:57.685 To appeal to what drives them intrinsically, if you're able to paint 01:05:57.695 --> 01:06:03.584 them into a corner, but provide them a door out so that they can save face, you 01:06:03.585 --> 01:06:08.544 can get your side across and things can kind of move in a direction that you want. 01:06:09.465 --> 01:06:10.255 I think there's. 01:06:10.585 --> 01:06:13.825 There's a lot to be said for taking that approach. 01:06:13.845 --> 01:06:16.615 And that can be done through social media. 01:06:16.865 --> 01:06:21.315 People can take to social media to Tik TOK. 01:06:21.375 --> 01:06:24.484 I see a lot of that people just coming up level headed approaches 01:06:24.494 --> 01:06:28.015 to issues that are coming up and just point by point pointing out. 01:06:28.440 --> 01:06:32.280 This doesn't make sense because A, B, and C, and the more people can 01:06:32.290 --> 01:06:37.729 do that, the more those who are in positions of authority or the civil 01:06:37.730 --> 01:06:42.490 servants can feel uncomfortable with the fact that their actions are going 01:06:42.490 --> 01:06:45.620 to now have consequences and they might be held accountable to something. 01:06:46.675 --> 01:06:47.745 I think that's the 01:06:47.745 --> 01:06:48.315 Daniel Fritter: approach. 01:06:49.055 --> 01:06:52.635 It takes very few people to hold a public servant to account too. 01:06:52.765 --> 01:06:57.775 I think that's something that, you know, public safety is a large entity. 01:06:57.834 --> 01:07:01.485 It obviously has hundreds and thousands of employees as a federal organization. 01:07:01.485 --> 01:07:07.835 Um, By virtue of our, our public bureaucracy, there's also a lot of checks 01:07:07.835 --> 01:07:11.575 and balances and there are ways that you as a normal person can email them 01:07:11.575 --> 01:07:12.834 and say, Hey, I'm not happy with this. 01:07:13.095 --> 01:07:15.335 You guys like, you know, you could point out stuff like they 01:07:15.335 --> 01:07:16.355 haven't met their own goals. 01:07:16.514 --> 01:07:18.764 You can look at their objectives for public safety. 01:07:18.764 --> 01:07:22.584 They publish them and they say, we have failed on community safety. 01:07:22.634 --> 01:07:23.474 It's very clear. 01:07:23.474 --> 01:07:25.125 They, they show like they have metrics. 01:07:25.155 --> 01:07:27.485 You can say, Hey, you are not meeting your standards here. 01:07:28.035 --> 01:07:28.845 What's going on. 01:07:29.145 --> 01:07:32.055 You can point out things like, you know, 10 percent of their operational budget at 01:07:32.055 --> 01:07:34.334 this point is consumed by the gun buyback. 01:07:34.490 --> 01:07:39.120 Like not even 10 percent of our total federal spending on operational 01:07:39.190 --> 01:07:44.520 budgets for public safety just goes to our guns, not criminal stuff, 01:07:44.770 --> 01:07:49.049 you know, just this, um, and that's before they even bought one back. 01:07:49.050 --> 01:07:51.220 So, you know, you can point this stuff out. 01:07:51.220 --> 01:07:57.255 And I think, um, It, you just need that, it might work, it might make them feel 01:07:57.255 --> 01:08:01.205 uncomfortable, might make them realize that like they're not working in a vacuum. 01:08:01.245 --> 01:08:05.385 The people whose lives they're impacting want to have something to say about it. 01:08:05.974 --> 01:08:10.724 Um, it also, you just need that one person. 01:08:11.115 --> 01:08:11.375 Yeah. 01:08:11.435 --> 01:08:14.435 Like you, you might just, you might just hit that one person at 01:08:14.435 --> 01:08:17.920 public safety who goes, Yeah, this actually doesn't make a lot of sense. 01:08:17.950 --> 01:08:18.260 You know what? 01:08:18.260 --> 01:08:20.800 I think I actually am going to bring this up with my director because 01:08:20.810 --> 01:08:22.670 this is silly and they're right. 01:08:22.710 --> 01:08:27.099 You know, um, I don't know if it's likely, but, um, I mean, I just 01:08:27.099 --> 01:08:29.710 fought with the government yesterday trying to get access to the con for 01:08:29.729 --> 01:08:31.699 the actual media briefing there. 01:08:32.070 --> 01:08:34.189 Um, and that was with the parliamentary press gallery. 01:08:34.579 --> 01:08:35.970 They hung up on me three times. 01:08:36.420 --> 01:08:37.260 Um, what? 01:08:38.300 --> 01:08:39.590 Yeah, they just didn't want to give me access. 01:08:39.610 --> 01:08:40.920 I, I emailed them. 01:08:40.920 --> 01:08:43.386 So this is totally tangential to the document. 01:08:43.386 --> 01:08:43.585 And 01:08:43.585 --> 01:08:45.110 Travis Bader: you got proper media credentials, but yeah. 01:08:45.810 --> 01:08:48.110 Daniel Fritter: I emailed them to say, I'd like access to the press 01:08:48.110 --> 01:08:50.640 conference and technical briefing, because I might want to ask questions. 01:08:50.790 --> 01:08:54.200 Um, cause I received the, the press release from the government saying, if 01:08:54.200 --> 01:08:56.820 you're not part of the parliamentary press gallery, email us to get access. 01:08:56.820 --> 01:08:58.760 So I did, I didn't hear back. 01:08:58.760 --> 01:09:03.290 I let a few hours go by and then I started calling them cause it happens at a time. 01:09:03.290 --> 01:09:05.030 If you don't get access, you miss it. 01:09:05.810 --> 01:09:09.985 Um, and yeah, they, the, the, the They, the lady just hung up on me three times. 01:09:10.015 --> 01:09:12.105 She literally pulled the, I'm getting another call. 01:09:12.105 --> 01:09:13.055 I have to go click. 01:09:14.075 --> 01:09:14.405 Travis Bader: And I was 01:09:14.415 --> 01:09:17.860 Daniel Fritter: like, This, this conference starts in 10 minutes. 01:09:18.360 --> 01:09:20.200 I have a gun magazine. 01:09:20.200 --> 01:09:24.229 This is a gun announcement, you know, um, they told me that I could 01:09:24.230 --> 01:09:27.170 watch it on CPAC and I said, yeah, but I can't ask a question on CPAC. 01:09:27.640 --> 01:09:28.010 Travis Bader: You know, 01:09:28.010 --> 01:09:29.240 Daniel Fritter: it's, it's not the same thing. 01:09:29.589 --> 01:09:33.389 Um, I did eventually get the zoom link, but it was too late. 01:09:33.510 --> 01:09:35.140 Obviously I missed the technical briefing. 01:09:35.640 --> 01:09:39.200 Um, but yeah, like you just got to keep, I called them back. 01:09:39.200 --> 01:09:41.540 It took six phone calls, three of which they hung up on me, 01:09:42.050 --> 01:09:42.270 Travis Bader: but 01:09:42.270 --> 01:09:44.970 Daniel Fritter: eventually I talked to her boss and I made it pretty 01:09:44.970 --> 01:09:47.600 fricking clear that I was not happy with the level of service. 01:09:47.619 --> 01:09:50.049 And you know, he said they were going to take it under advisement. 01:09:50.049 --> 01:09:52.539 He was very interested to hear what I had to say and I'm pursuing 01:09:52.539 --> 01:09:54.600 that still, but be persistent. 01:09:54.650 --> 01:09:56.620 You know, I can't remember who said it, but you know, it's really hard 01:09:56.620 --> 01:09:57.560 to beat someone who won't quit. 01:09:58.345 --> 01:09:58.765 Yeah. 01:09:59.415 --> 01:09:59.685 Travis Bader: Yeah. 01:09:59.685 --> 01:10:05.175 I like that saying a lot and having a level of personal accountability, if you 01:10:05.175 --> 01:10:08.485 can hold those individuals accountable, if they know, Hey, I'm dealing with Daniel 01:10:08.495 --> 01:10:13.324 Fritter here and maybe I shouldn't hang up or get another call and lose them. 01:10:14.615 --> 01:10:17.474 Daniel Fritter: Like I, I, you know, I, again, not that this is 01:10:17.474 --> 01:10:21.075 gun related, but I was pissed off cause I mean, she was very rude. 01:10:21.165 --> 01:10:25.045 Um, I was equally rude the first time to be clear, quite clear. 01:10:25.075 --> 01:10:27.415 I called the, I called her back actually to apologize the third 01:10:27.415 --> 01:10:31.354 time when she hung up on me, but I called to say, Hey, I'm sorry. 01:10:31.435 --> 01:10:35.054 Like, Hey, you know, this is your job getting access to this. 01:10:35.335 --> 01:10:36.285 You know, I'm media. 01:10:36.295 --> 01:10:37.275 What is the deal here? 01:10:37.814 --> 01:10:41.565 Um, because they, they definitely did not want to give me access. 01:10:42.045 --> 01:10:46.495 Um, I've also not been able to access any of the briefings with public safety 01:10:46.495 --> 01:10:49.675 ministers since I, since I, Attended one with Marco Medici, you know, when I 01:10:49.675 --> 01:10:54.795 asked him a question and it went quite poorly and, uh, for him, I would say, um, 01:10:55.115 --> 01:10:59.335 they never allowed me back in, uh, they didn't hold them actually after that. 01:11:00.115 --> 01:11:01.515 And it's not like a sense of ego. 01:11:01.515 --> 01:11:03.964 It's, it's not that I'm Dan Fritter is that you are the 01:11:03.965 --> 01:11:05.015 parliamentary press gallery. 01:11:05.025 --> 01:11:07.685 Your job is to ensure that the people making these 01:11:07.695 --> 01:11:10.085 announcements are accountable. 01:11:10.345 --> 01:11:13.765 And that the people who want to hold them to account are in attendance and able 01:11:13.765 --> 01:11:18.835 to ask questions and say, why this, why that, what's this, you know, get clarity. 01:11:18.895 --> 01:11:22.954 Like I do view it as my job as media to do that and no one 01:11:22.954 --> 01:11:24.175 else is going to global news. 01:11:24.175 --> 01:11:27.005 Isn't going to, they don't have the technical knowledge under the background, 01:11:27.014 --> 01:11:30.845 the context to, to ask the questions that I would have liked to have asked. 01:11:31.355 --> 01:11:36.075 Um, but yeah, so I mean, it sucks that I missed out on it, but it is a testament 01:11:36.085 --> 01:11:38.105 to, if you just keep, just keep calling. 01:11:38.460 --> 01:11:39.040 Don't let up. 01:11:39.590 --> 01:11:43.660 Um, eventually, and make your case in a clear and salient, you know, like, 01:11:44.190 --> 01:11:45.970 yeah, I am a member of the press. 01:11:45.990 --> 01:11:48.909 My audience is directly impacted by this announcement. 01:11:49.270 --> 01:11:51.750 I think I should be there to ask questions on their behalf. 01:11:53.175 --> 01:11:54.335 Eventually you will get through. 01:11:54.535 --> 01:11:54.785 So, 01:11:55.985 --> 01:11:59.245 Travis Bader: I think, and just to be clear, I don't, for one second view you 01:11:59.245 --> 01:12:05.784 as a person who has ego or wields that, but I, I think the, uh, the civil servants 01:12:05.824 --> 01:12:12.175 or the public servants who are, uh, if They realize that there is going to be a 01:12:12.175 --> 01:12:13.975 level of accountability to their actions. 01:12:13.975 --> 01:12:17.575 If every individual out there takes to social media and says, yeah, 01:12:17.575 --> 01:12:18.854 you know, I had a great experience. 01:12:18.854 --> 01:12:22.115 I talked to this person I got on through and, or I didn't get through 01:12:22.115 --> 01:12:23.255 and I had to call three times. 01:12:23.255 --> 01:12:26.354 And in fact, you know, I recorded the single party consent law in 01:12:26.354 --> 01:12:30.395 Canada allows it like if they realize there's that higher level of scrutiny 01:12:30.885 --> 01:12:33.965 and that the individual can be held accountable for their actions. 01:12:33.995 --> 01:12:36.025 I think you'll see more progress. 01:12:36.045 --> 01:12:41.035 The, the simple approach for somebody is Would be to simply ignore you, 01:12:41.465 --> 01:12:44.605 but the second they're pushed into a position where they have to say, 01:12:44.605 --> 01:12:50.775 no, that they now have a level of accountability, the actions of that. 01:12:50.835 --> 01:12:52.844 No, we'll now rest on their shoulders. 01:12:52.875 --> 01:12:56.744 So what I often see is that civil servants will just find ways to be able to. 01:12:57.375 --> 01:13:00.235 Postpone an answer to delay something out. 01:13:00.415 --> 01:13:02.185 If you're trying to push them for the yes. 01:13:02.645 --> 01:13:04.165 Well, good luck getting that. 01:13:04.165 --> 01:13:04.685 Yes. 01:13:04.825 --> 01:13:06.934 You can tacitly get a yes. 01:13:06.934 --> 01:13:11.154 Like I'm going to do this on this date, unless you tell me otherwise, right. 01:13:11.155 --> 01:13:13.945 But please do, but I need to do this because my business 01:13:13.945 --> 01:13:14.995 operates, blah, blah, blah. 01:13:15.235 --> 01:13:18.565 All of a sudden you can find your issue gets pushed forward. 01:13:18.565 --> 01:13:25.145 So I think if individuals are able to push people for firm positions for a firm, no. 01:13:25.540 --> 01:13:30.410 Or be able to turn that, uh, ignoring into something that they then have to wear. 01:13:32.020 --> 01:13:34.360 Individuals will see how much power they actually have. 01:13:35.329 --> 01:13:37.400 Daniel Fritter: And that's exactly what happened is, is they kept telling 01:13:37.400 --> 01:13:42.329 me this lady that worked at the parliamentary press gallery kept her, 01:13:42.360 --> 01:13:46.719 her reply on the phone was constantly just send an email to this person, 01:13:46.850 --> 01:13:47.940 the director, we'll get back to you. 01:13:47.940 --> 01:13:49.330 And I'm going, it's happening in 10 minutes. 01:13:49.330 --> 01:13:50.860 Can I not just call the director? 01:13:50.900 --> 01:13:51.410 I'm sure. 01:13:51.605 --> 01:13:54.975 It's the middle of a work day, you know, um, can't I just speak with them? 01:13:54.975 --> 01:13:57.335 Because you said, send an email, which I did. 01:13:57.335 --> 01:13:58.805 And I haven't gotten an answer for three hours. 01:13:58.845 --> 01:14:00.715 I kind of need one in the next 10 minutes. 01:14:01.135 --> 01:14:05.104 Um, you know, they kept, you know, she was, no, you can't. 01:14:05.104 --> 01:14:06.585 The director's number is personal. 01:14:06.585 --> 01:14:08.075 And I was like, well, he's got to have a professional number. 01:14:08.115 --> 01:14:10.635 I'm sure that like he works for the government, he's got a government phone. 01:14:10.645 --> 01:14:11.824 Like we all know this. 01:14:12.265 --> 01:14:17.425 Um, and eventually that's what it took was me eventually saying like, I will find 01:14:17.425 --> 01:14:19.075 your director and I will contact them. 01:14:19.085 --> 01:14:23.365 Or you can just, Patch me through, you know, um, and that's 01:14:23.365 --> 01:14:24.435 eventually what ended up happening. 01:14:24.655 --> 01:14:29.635 Of course, she did put it in terms of the director called me back because he had 01:14:29.635 --> 01:14:31.365 heard that I was rude to her on the phone. 01:14:32.155 --> 01:14:32.354 Travis Bader: And 01:14:32.354 --> 01:14:35.724 Daniel Fritter: that was the reason I was like, I, I just want to get 01:14:35.725 --> 01:14:36.945 into the frigging press conference. 01:14:36.945 --> 01:14:41.935 It started 15 minutes ago, like, you know, but, uh, yeah, you'd be the squeaky wheel. 01:14:42.055 --> 01:14:46.235 Like I said, be the squeaky wheel, go to your MP, become a regular person 01:14:46.235 --> 01:14:50.584 that they know, because, um, I mean, I've even had some liberal MPs that, 01:14:50.585 --> 01:14:53.595 you know, You know, I don't agree with their politics, but they're nice people. 01:14:53.685 --> 01:14:56.085 Like they're just, most mps are nice people. 01:14:56.175 --> 01:14:56.325 Travis Bader: Yep. 01:14:56.475 --> 01:14:58.095 Daniel Fritter: Their job is to be likable. 01:14:58.215 --> 01:15:01.965 Like quite literally, their job is to be likable, so most of them are, 01:15:01.965 --> 01:15:03.705 are not going to be complete jerks. 01:15:03.705 --> 01:15:07.895 There are some that Mark Holland, who probably won't be that nice. 01:15:07.955 --> 01:15:08.645 Mark Garson. 01:15:08.945 --> 01:15:12.785 Um, some are just probably not the most intelligent Justin Trudeau and. 01:15:14.320 --> 01:15:17.230 You're probably not going to get many places with those folks, but for the 01:15:17.240 --> 01:15:21.900 majority of us, um, it's out there and even there, like I'd said earlier, 01:15:21.900 --> 01:15:25.059 if we're going to be looking at this leadership campaign in the next year 01:15:25.530 --> 01:15:28.290 and we're going to have new, new party leadership on the NDP and the liberal 01:15:28.290 --> 01:15:34.009 like some of the MPs that are currently sitting with those parties will still 01:15:34.009 --> 01:15:38.310 be there after the next election, probably a lot less than are there now, 01:15:38.650 --> 01:15:39.880 but some of them will still be around. 01:15:40.210 --> 01:15:44.290 And what that also means is the ones that are around will become the old guard. 01:15:44.760 --> 01:15:45.720 They will become. 01:15:46.390 --> 01:15:52.760 The core of the party's identity, so if it's NDP or liberal and you start 01:15:52.770 --> 01:15:55.960 to get to know them and you start to talk with them about these issues, 01:15:56.480 --> 01:16:02.129 um, if on a political level they can't support what we want because they've 01:16:02.129 --> 01:16:07.110 got to tow Justin Trudeau's line, after Justin Trudeau leaves, They might 01:16:07.110 --> 01:16:10.710 be more likely to and when they're looking at their next leadership If 01:16:10.710 --> 01:16:13.970 you're not gonna get a membership in the Liberal Party, it's free. 01:16:14.130 --> 01:16:14.960 We could all do it. 01:16:15.000 --> 01:16:20.349 It would be really easy If we don't want to do that, you don't want to do that You 01:16:20.349 --> 01:16:24.270 can at least know that by reaching out to your MP and being the squeaky wheel And 01:16:24.290 --> 01:16:28.480 telling them our concerns and saying these issues about how these bans your party 01:16:28.480 --> 01:16:33.280 is passing are harming our community, like, not just us, but the, the community 01:16:33.289 --> 01:16:39.899 they're riding in very real terms, um, if they're around after the next election, 01:16:40.320 --> 01:16:44.250 they might then turn around and if their next leader were to be someone that, you 01:16:44.250 --> 01:16:46.640 know, gun owners don't like, and he'd stand up, he goes, I'm going to ban all 01:16:46.640 --> 01:16:50.950 the guns that this old guard might turn around in the caucus meeting and say, 01:16:50.950 --> 01:16:52.800 Hey, actually, that's not a great idea. 01:16:53.085 --> 01:16:53.665 We did that. 01:16:53.955 --> 01:16:54.505 We tried it. 01:16:55.005 --> 01:16:56.275 I got a lot of people in my office. 01:16:56.275 --> 01:16:57.835 They were not happy and it didn't work. 01:16:57.845 --> 01:17:01.985 And they made a lot of pretty strong arguments about why it isn't working. 01:17:02.235 --> 01:17:06.104 And that might, you know, diffuse this whole situation, bring it back 01:17:06.105 --> 01:17:10.365 to a more pragmatic kind of logical perspective rather than this, 01:17:10.375 --> 01:17:12.235 you know, votes back and forth. 01:17:12.275 --> 01:17:16.665 Um, so that's where I know a lot of people will say like, Oh, I've got a liberal MP. 01:17:16.665 --> 01:17:17.165 There's no point. 01:17:17.470 --> 01:17:19.690 There, there is, there is a very real point. 01:17:19.810 --> 01:17:22.820 I mean, a lot of them will probably be gone, but some of them won't be. 01:17:22.820 --> 01:17:28.260 And, and those ones that remain, it'd be very good if we had a better, um, 01:17:28.840 --> 01:17:30.330 open channel of communication with them. 01:17:30.380 --> 01:17:35.670 And if they had a better understanding of where we're at, I think would be, would be 01:17:35.900 --> 01:17:37.259 a pretty big step in the right direction. 01:17:38.279 --> 01:17:39.710 Travis Bader: And this is why I like chatting with you. 01:17:39.770 --> 01:17:40.710 You're a sharp cookie. 01:17:41.620 --> 01:17:44.340 Is there anything that, that you We haven't talked about that. 01:17:44.340 --> 01:17:45.430 We should be talking about. 01:17:47.070 --> 01:17:48.030 Um, the only thing that 01:17:48.650 --> 01:17:51.720 Daniel Fritter: we haven't really broached is, um, I have some concerns 01:17:51.730 --> 01:17:53.690 about gun clubs throughout all of this. 01:17:53.690 --> 01:17:55.790 Obviously there's been lots of discussion about how this 01:17:55.800 --> 01:17:56.950 is going to hurt the industry. 01:17:57.490 --> 01:17:59.549 Um, you know, we might have to change. 01:17:59.550 --> 01:18:01.390 I don't know if caliber will be as available at gun stores, or 01:18:01.400 --> 01:18:02.399 maybe we'll be subscription only. 01:18:02.400 --> 01:18:04.040 I'm not sure, but we're going to have to take some serious 01:18:04.040 --> 01:18:05.520 look at that after I talk to. 01:18:06.065 --> 01:18:09.085 Our advertisers, cause that's obviously kind of core of the business. 01:18:09.085 --> 01:18:12.215 So we'll see, um, retailers are going to get a hit. 01:18:12.275 --> 01:18:17.764 Prices are going to go up, unfortunately, because, uh, these are, these are 01:18:17.764 --> 01:18:21.154 kind of the enthusiast guns is where a lot of the profit, not margin, but 01:18:21.184 --> 01:18:25.575 overall profit comes from, uh, and by not having access to these, that's 01:18:25.575 --> 01:18:28.595 where I say, like, I worry about what things will look like afterwards is 01:18:28.595 --> 01:18:30.025 even if these become legal again. 01:18:30.650 --> 01:18:35.530 Um, we might have less shops, it'll be harder to get by, they're going to have 01:18:35.530 --> 01:18:39.080 to make profit elsewhere, so things will potentially get more expensive. 01:18:39.590 --> 01:18:41.910 But I'm worried a lot about gun clubs. 01:18:42.050 --> 01:18:47.129 Um, when the handgun ban happened, the AR 15 thing kind of hurt clubs, the 01:18:47.130 --> 01:18:49.619 handgun ban also really hurt clubs. 01:18:49.960 --> 01:18:52.820 We went, for example, here in Kelowna, the club that I was a 01:18:52.820 --> 01:18:56.480 president of and belonged to, we saw really steady growth in membership. 01:18:56.825 --> 01:18:58.245 up to our cap constantly. 01:18:58.805 --> 01:19:01.195 Um, we've seen a bit of a decline. 01:19:01.255 --> 01:19:05.614 We're not struggling, but, you know, it's a pretty big town here. 01:19:05.655 --> 01:19:09.645 There are some gun clubs that might Uh, in lieu of this, given there's no more 01:19:10.585 --> 01:19:14.845 vastly reduced amount of competitive shooting, that gun clubs are going to 01:19:14.845 --> 01:19:20.014 be struggling a bit, potentially in, you know, first half of next year, if members 01:19:20.014 --> 01:19:23.645 don't renew because they can't take their, you know, semi auto, whatever it 01:19:23.645 --> 01:19:26.315 is to go plink steel like they used to. 01:19:27.095 --> 01:19:29.965 Um, I don't know what the solution is. 01:19:29.965 --> 01:19:32.165 I would just kind of say, like, maybe if you are one of those people, 01:19:32.165 --> 01:19:35.775 like, your gun club is a very real asset for you and your community. 01:19:36.320 --> 01:19:38.450 I guess gun owners, but as, as a community, you know, maybe 01:19:38.920 --> 01:19:40.230 your police go there and shoot. 01:19:40.230 --> 01:19:42.650 And I know that's a controversial subject because they're also the ones 01:19:42.650 --> 01:19:46.279 that might come knock on your door and people, there's that argument of maybe 01:19:46.280 --> 01:19:48.939 we shouldn't let cops go to gun clubs, but at the same time, if you ever need 01:19:48.939 --> 01:19:53.230 to call the police and should you need them to have a gun, you kind of want 01:19:53.230 --> 01:19:55.000 them to know how to use it really well. 01:19:55.000 --> 01:19:59.160 So part of me also thinks for our community safety, uh, they should be 01:19:59.160 --> 01:20:00.770 proficient and they use our clubs. 01:20:01.210 --> 01:20:04.339 Um, it's where I've met a lot of friends at gun clubs. 01:20:04.340 --> 01:20:05.900 I've made a ton of friends at gun clubs. 01:20:06.515 --> 01:20:09.685 And so if that's you, I know times are type of maybe, you know, maybe 01:20:09.685 --> 01:20:12.715 just renew, know that it'll, it'll work out in the long run and you'll be 01:20:12.715 --> 01:20:17.455 able to take your hopefully AR 15 or M14 back to the range eventually, um, 01:20:17.665 --> 01:20:22.934 volunteer, they're, they're going to be hurting quite a lot at that level. 01:20:22.935 --> 01:20:25.874 And I think that, um, if gun owners can maybe. 01:20:26.265 --> 01:20:31.335 Take that into, into, uh, into mind and do what they can to try to help out. 01:20:31.915 --> 01:20:35.724 Um, it'd be great to see clubs kind of come back. 01:20:35.735 --> 01:20:38.425 That'd be a great place for people to have these conversations. 01:20:38.425 --> 01:20:40.545 Like we talked about with the organizations being great at 01:20:40.545 --> 01:20:41.715 disseminating information. 01:20:42.285 --> 01:20:45.985 Gun clubs are a great place for the exchange of information, for gun 01:20:45.985 --> 01:20:47.375 owners to talk about this stuff. 01:20:47.375 --> 01:20:50.815 I mean, You know, you can't take these things to the range, but at 01:20:50.825 --> 01:20:54.795 the same time, uh, they haven't sent you a letter saying you can't, and 01:20:54.865 --> 01:20:58.025 they can't send you a letter because Canada Post won't deliver it right now. 01:20:58.065 --> 01:20:58.355 Right. 01:20:58.725 --> 01:21:01.955 So how, if, if you were at the gun club with one of these guns, I don't know 01:21:01.955 --> 01:21:04.285 how the police would ever prove that you were supposed to know that it was 01:21:04.285 --> 01:21:08.305 illegal, given this is kind of, you know, It's a website on public safety. 01:21:08.305 --> 01:21:09.945 It's not even an RCMP thing at this point. 01:21:09.945 --> 01:21:14.285 So, um, not saying you should, but you know, it's a good place. 01:21:14.295 --> 01:21:17.195 You will probably go to the gun club and you will probably see people shooting 01:21:17.195 --> 01:21:18.635 these guns because they just don't know. 01:21:18.695 --> 01:21:20.475 There's a lot of people that will not be informed. 01:21:20.955 --> 01:21:21.035 Travis Bader: And 01:21:21.035 --> 01:21:22.924 Daniel Fritter: that's where I mean, it's a good place to exchange this 01:21:22.924 --> 01:21:25.765 stuff and say, Hey, look, like, you know, You know, that's actually illegal. 01:21:25.775 --> 01:21:28.965 I'm not saying don't do it because you know, I'm not one of those range 01:21:28.965 --> 01:21:33.275 Nazis, but if people don't know they can't get involved and uh, it'd be 01:21:33.275 --> 01:21:39.125 good to, to see clubs kind of maybe use this as a catalyst to become more 01:21:39.125 --> 01:21:42.845 of a gun, not just a gun facility, not a place to just shoot your guns, 01:21:43.194 --> 01:21:45.544 but be a club, an actual social club. 01:21:45.595 --> 01:21:48.315 You know, the game dinners that happen every Christmas, the 01:21:48.315 --> 01:21:50.805 potlucks like become a social club. 01:21:51.325 --> 01:21:54.045 Um, it would be a very strong asset for us. 01:21:54.405 --> 01:21:58.275 Travis Bader: You know, it's always kind of struck and it's very well said, I could 01:21:58.275 --> 01:22:01.605 almost just, I should just stop on that, but there's that one thing in the back 01:22:01.605 --> 01:22:09.085 of my head, it's always struck me why the governments haven't used the gun clubs 01:22:09.085 --> 01:22:11.445 as more of a means to enhance public. 01:22:12.560 --> 01:22:16.350 Safety is how they can sell it, but essentially enhanced control. 01:22:17.290 --> 01:22:19.620 And they'd make that a part of the whole licensing system, like they 01:22:19.620 --> 01:22:23.569 have in other countries and they say, okay, so who is this guy? 01:22:23.570 --> 01:22:27.580 Like, I know for me, I've been called in by firearms officers in the past and like 01:22:28.190 --> 01:22:30.289 Trav, you know, wink, wink, nudge, nudge. 01:22:30.300 --> 01:22:34.540 If someone's kind of off, like if you just don't give them their paperwork, when 01:22:34.540 --> 01:22:38.500 they go through a firearm safety course, it makes our job a heck of a lot easier. 01:22:38.500 --> 01:22:38.720 Right. 01:22:38.760 --> 01:22:42.290 Because once, once they have that paperwork, Uh, our hands are 01:22:42.290 --> 01:22:45.410 really tied in our re the ways that we can now deny the person. 01:22:45.920 --> 01:22:47.280 So, okay, yeah, no, I hear you. 01:22:47.280 --> 01:22:49.130 But the same thing can be done with the clubs, right? 01:22:49.650 --> 01:22:51.639 Tell you what, you want to get your license. 01:22:51.659 --> 01:22:52.909 You have to be involved with the club. 01:22:52.920 --> 01:22:57.769 The clubs want to know that you're of sound mind of good judgment, because 01:22:57.769 --> 01:22:59.690 it'll reflect poorly on the club. 01:22:59.699 --> 01:23:02.910 If something goes astray with one of their members and maybe you get 01:23:02.950 --> 01:23:06.050 too many infractions and we'll shut your club down, like it seems to me 01:23:06.080 --> 01:23:07.979 like not only a perfect way to do it. 01:23:07.980 --> 01:23:12.930 Build clubs and communities, but also a way for the firearms program to exercise 01:23:12.930 --> 01:23:14.590 that extra little level of control. 01:23:15.050 --> 01:23:18.679 Um, put all of the training online for the fire and safety course, but go 01:23:18.680 --> 01:23:20.490 to a club for some practical, right? 01:23:20.490 --> 01:23:24.239 Have your licensed clubs and people who are, who are vetted and authorized. 01:23:24.310 --> 01:23:26.700 And I mean, there's going to be logistical issues there. 01:23:27.095 --> 01:23:30.295 But I'll just throw that out there for perhaps future governments to 01:23:30.465 --> 01:23:34.575 look at because that would strengthen our clubs, strengthen the, the 01:23:34.585 --> 01:23:36.725 social aspect in our communities. 01:23:37.575 --> 01:23:41.125 It has some negatives as well, but I think the positives of all of 01:23:41.365 --> 01:23:43.085 that would outweigh the negatives. 01:23:44.175 --> 01:23:46.585 Daniel Fritter: I think it's, I think it'd be tricky just based on. 01:23:46.870 --> 01:23:50.810 Like density and having like, when I first got, when I got my license from silver 01:23:50.810 --> 01:23:55.200 core, like 20 years ago, it was, I was living in Tawasin and the closest club 01:23:55.200 --> 01:23:56.789 that I could get into was Abbotsford. 01:23:56.790 --> 01:23:59.960 And it's like, you know, that's a two hour drive for those that don't know. 01:23:59.960 --> 01:24:03.560 And haven't endured that particularly loathsome trip down highway one. 01:24:04.180 --> 01:24:08.010 Um, it's a long trip and there's, there's not a lot of clubs and now living in 01:24:08.010 --> 01:24:11.320 Kelowna, we've got three of them and they're relatively close, which is 01:24:11.320 --> 01:24:13.430 nice, but you know, you go to some. 01:24:13.735 --> 01:24:17.625 some smaller communities like Rock Creek, you know, I don't even know 01:24:17.625 --> 01:24:18.655 if there's a gun club down there. 01:24:18.665 --> 01:24:22.475 Um, but you know, you get into this, how would you own a gun in those, 01:24:22.515 --> 01:24:24.224 those areas with no access to a club? 01:24:24.515 --> 01:24:27.344 What I would like to see is clubs. 01:24:29.085 --> 01:24:33.005 And this isn't just this again, not to speak about the organizations 01:24:33.045 --> 01:24:36.595 because I think they all do great work and want them to succeed, obviously, 01:24:36.595 --> 01:24:42.245 but I don't, as a guy that was the president of a club, I was always 01:24:42.245 --> 01:24:48.465 shocked at how little, um, cooperation and support there is for clubs. 01:24:49.005 --> 01:24:51.505 Because I came into a club that was pretty derelict. 01:24:51.565 --> 01:24:55.835 It had 34 members at the time, uh, primarily black powder guys, actually. 01:24:56.335 --> 01:24:59.920 Um, and They were going bankrupt and stuff. 01:24:59.920 --> 01:25:02.070 So it was going poorly, basically. 01:25:03.160 --> 01:25:06.570 And I got shoved into the presidency by my good friend, Chris Weber over 01:25:06.570 --> 01:25:08.040 at Weber and Markin here in Kelowna. 01:25:08.150 --> 01:25:11.949 Uh, he was, he pulled the old, you should come out to the AGM and then stuck my hand 01:25:11.960 --> 01:25:13.089 up when they did the call for president. 01:25:14.280 --> 01:25:17.300 And then I immediately went, what the fuck do I do? 01:25:17.409 --> 01:25:23.510 Like everything from legal requirements of like, uh, members, pal numbers, 01:25:23.510 --> 01:25:27.509 recording those, the CFO inspection, which was a year out of date. 01:25:27.509 --> 01:25:27.559 Yeah. 01:25:27.560 --> 01:25:27.574 Yeah. 01:25:29.105 --> 01:25:33.845 to bookkeeping, to what service can we use to actually collect membership dues? 01:25:33.845 --> 01:25:37.774 What's a good system by which we can onboard members in a largely online 01:25:37.785 --> 01:25:40.985 fashion while still ensuring they understand the property, the usage, 01:25:40.985 --> 01:25:42.544 they get their physical key, etc. 01:25:43.495 --> 01:25:46.085 That was all, there's nothing and there still isn't. 01:25:46.205 --> 01:25:51.285 Like, I don't know if other provinces might have this, but BC, dude, the 01:25:51.805 --> 01:25:55.535 clubs, thankfully I, I knew the guys over at Abbotsford Fishing Game 01:25:55.535 --> 01:25:59.434 Club really well, called up Rob all the time and just basically, yeah. 01:25:59.875 --> 01:26:00.855 How do I run a club? 01:26:01.315 --> 01:26:02.095 How do you run this club? 01:26:02.125 --> 01:26:03.505 I want to, I want to run a club like that. 01:26:03.845 --> 01:26:08.045 And he was a great source, but if I didn't have that contact, I would have been 01:26:08.045 --> 01:26:09.835 just feeling my way through the dark. 01:26:09.845 --> 01:26:13.525 And one thing it's, I don't know if, let me see if I can one second. 01:26:13.724 --> 01:26:14.084 Yeah. 01:26:17.415 --> 01:26:19.215 I don't know if I've shown this for, but this is kind of the thing 01:26:19.215 --> 01:26:24.925 that, that always surprises me is I got this at a used bookstore, um, 01:26:25.455 --> 01:26:28.925 And it is the lower mainland gun association of British Columbia manual. 01:26:29.495 --> 01:26:34.835 It was put out in 1948, I want to say by a collection of gun clubs. 01:26:34.865 --> 01:26:39.505 And it, it basically has everything from like the tide tables in Delta for 01:26:39.505 --> 01:26:46.784 water fouling to, uh, basic first aid to, you know, what, what identifying 01:26:46.784 --> 01:26:50.125 different kinds of game, how to cut up a deer, like really basic stuff. 01:26:50.675 --> 01:26:54.404 Um, and I don't, I've looked into the association since, cause I think 01:26:54.404 --> 01:26:55.565 it's a really cool idea of like a. 01:26:55.880 --> 01:26:59.360 An association of clubs, like not a, not a lobby organization, but 01:26:59.360 --> 01:27:03.340 like a very realistic association that just helps clubs do club stuff. 01:27:03.900 --> 01:27:08.420 Um, because I think that there is a lot of room if there's 1 area 01:27:08.439 --> 01:27:11.429 that our community could do better. 01:27:12.320 --> 01:27:17.430 Um, I think it's with clubs because like I look at, for example, the club that I was 01:27:17.430 --> 01:27:18.860 the president of, I have a photo album. 01:27:19.280 --> 01:27:21.570 It's been around since 1980 something. 01:27:22.139 --> 01:27:24.329 Um, it was built for the BC summer games. 01:27:24.679 --> 01:27:28.709 And in the photo album, you can see literally, it was a social club. 01:27:28.949 --> 01:27:32.789 There are dances, there's wives in, in dresses with cocktail 01:27:32.789 --> 01:27:34.500 parties that the club put together. 01:27:34.930 --> 01:27:37.620 It was so much more than just a place to go and shoot. 01:27:37.620 --> 01:27:42.030 Um, And I think that's, you know, the government can do what 01:27:42.030 --> 01:27:42.990 the government's going to do. 01:27:43.390 --> 01:27:46.400 We can try and do what we can by contacting your MP 01:27:46.400 --> 01:27:47.130 and doing all that stuff. 01:27:47.130 --> 01:27:51.800 But one thing we absolutely have complete control over is the clubs 01:27:51.810 --> 01:27:55.689 and facilities that we operate for ourselves and what they do. 01:27:55.690 --> 01:28:00.810 And they, they don't need to just be a range, you know, like, and 01:28:00.820 --> 01:28:05.830 it'd be so much nicer if we had that community of I'm going to the club 01:28:05.830 --> 01:28:07.230 and I'm meeting up with my buddies. 01:28:07.510 --> 01:28:08.510 You know, like that kind of thing. 01:28:08.510 --> 01:28:11.670 And I think that's one area where, you know, I'd love to see clubs kind of band 01:28:11.670 --> 01:28:16.330 together, um, maybe not like a mandated, like you need to have a membership to 01:28:16.340 --> 01:28:20.369 be one, but to see the clubs that exist already reach out to one rather and 01:28:20.369 --> 01:28:25.340 build a network and, and ask each other, Hey, what's the best thing you've done? 01:28:25.340 --> 01:28:26.550 What's the worst thing you've done? 01:28:26.709 --> 01:28:29.790 Cause we want to not do one of those and who do you want to do the other one? 01:28:30.210 --> 01:28:31.690 Um, and start to grow that way. 01:28:31.690 --> 01:28:34.620 Cause I think, uh, a lot of clubs, it would be really nice. 01:28:34.620 --> 01:28:35.950 I think that'd be a very strong. 01:28:36.175 --> 01:28:38.805 Grassroots thing that, uh, I'd like to see happen 01:28:39.265 --> 01:28:39.695 Travis Bader: for everyone. 01:28:39.695 --> 01:28:41.965 That's made it this far in this podcast. 01:28:41.995 --> 01:28:44.345 I'd like you to write in the comments. 01:28:44.355 --> 01:28:48.085 If you are involved with your club and you have seen things that have worked 01:28:48.085 --> 01:28:52.284 really well, or things that didn't work well, maybe just get that ball rolling. 01:28:52.404 --> 01:28:53.475 That's a great idea, Dan. 01:28:53.475 --> 01:28:53.805 I love it. 01:28:54.735 --> 01:28:55.025 Daniel Fritter: Yeah. 01:28:55.095 --> 01:28:59.485 I mean, even as far as just like, some clubs have really great steel shooting 01:28:59.495 --> 01:29:04.225 facilities in and they built them in ways that like other clubs don't even know. 01:29:04.255 --> 01:29:08.355 Like I'd love to have steel at our gun club, but we've struggled with 01:29:08.355 --> 01:29:11.145 trying to figure out how to get it in place where people can't steal it. 01:29:11.145 --> 01:29:12.254 It doesn't get damaged, you know? 01:29:12.890 --> 01:29:12.980 Travis Bader: I 01:29:12.980 --> 01:29:16.510 Daniel Fritter: would love to hear, um, if there are people that are at clubs 01:29:16.510 --> 01:29:21.400 that have steel silhouettes installed, like, even that very technical, basic 01:29:21.400 --> 01:29:24.470 stuff, like, that's what I think we all need to share because I think 01:29:24.470 --> 01:29:27.790 that's, that's the stuff that is really hard to do on a daily basis. 01:29:27.790 --> 01:29:29.989 And again, clubs are all run by volunteers. 01:29:30.020 --> 01:29:32.425 They're not, you know, Very few of them are run by people 01:29:32.425 --> 01:29:33.655 that are paid to do the job. 01:29:33.805 --> 01:29:36.025 So it has to be kind of easy. 01:29:36.535 --> 01:29:40.215 You know, when I was the president, I did the best I could because I 01:29:40.215 --> 01:29:45.435 felt obligated to obviously, but you know, am I going to spend three days 01:29:45.435 --> 01:29:49.134 researching how to install steel plates on a gun range when I've got work to do? 01:29:49.175 --> 01:29:51.354 Kids, this is a volunteer organization. 01:29:51.404 --> 01:29:54.194 Like I'm already overworked by the club as it is. 01:29:54.674 --> 01:29:56.444 We're trying to figure out how to get garbage down the mountain. 01:29:56.444 --> 01:29:58.984 Like it's gotta be, we can make it easier for everyone. 01:29:59.044 --> 01:30:00.024 Everyone benefits. 01:30:01.325 --> 01:30:06.765 Travis Bader: Well, Dan, thank you so much again, as always love chatting with you. 01:30:06.765 --> 01:30:08.115 I love your perspective on it. 01:30:08.555 --> 01:30:11.345 Um, let's make the next podcast. 01:30:11.365 --> 01:30:13.435 We do a happy one. 01:30:14.045 --> 01:30:17.775 Not that there isn't happy things in here, but let's make it, uh, not spurred by. 01:30:18.530 --> 01:30:20.220 The government putting more bans on it. 01:30:21.120 --> 01:30:22.280 Daniel Fritter: I sure would love a good news one. 01:30:22.620 --> 01:30:22.930 Travis Bader: Yes. 01:30:24.240 --> 01:30:24.550 Daniel Fritter: Thank you. 01:30:25.450 --> 01:30:25.830 Thank you.