1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,740 Unknown: The ride, Gary. Oh yeah, I told I was telling John, 2 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:09,090 I told Gary, I said, "Man, I just want to, because Gary kept 3 00:00:09,390 --> 00:00:11,970 calling me, thanking us for cutting the ride, and I said, 4 00:00:12,060 --> 00:00:14,970 "No, man, thank you. He said, "Why are you thinking me? I 5 00:00:15,060 --> 00:00:18,420 said, "Because when that ride came out, my level of traveling 6 00:00:18,510 --> 00:00:19,890 on the road got a lot easier, 7 00:00:21,750 --> 00:00:23,300 no more hamburgers at Crystal, 8 00:00:24,740 --> 00:00:26,360 except for one time in Oklahoma. 9 00:00:27,500 --> 00:00:29,870 Five straight days of nothing but Kentucky fries. 10 00:00:34,130 --> 00:00:39,650 Welcome to a podcast about music and entertainment before it all 11 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:44,590 goes down the disposal. This is Circling the Drain. 12 00:00:47,740 --> 00:00:50,560 Hey, welcome back to Circling the Drain. Of course, I'm John 13 00:00:50,770 --> 00:00:54,580 E. Bozeman. Johnny B over there, my man Jay Harper. How you 14 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:55,120 doing, brother? 15 00:00:56,140 --> 00:00:56,950 You talking to me? Yeah. 16 00:00:59,170 --> 00:01:02,490 Hey, Johnny B. Always good to see you. 17 00:01:04,739 --> 00:01:09,299 Yes, we do have another guy that is, if without him you wouldn't 18 00:01:09,299 --> 00:01:13,439 be hearing us or seeing us. One James Patrick McCarthy, 19 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,870 Jimmy Tuton, Jimmy Tutton. Well, it's good we use the three names 20 00:01:19,020 --> 00:01:22,190 for James Patrick McCarthy because we're going to talk 21 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:26,840 about a guy that is a country legend, and we just want to set 22 00:01:26,900 --> 00:01:30,860 some stories straight, absolutely, about David Allen 23 00:01:31,010 --> 00:01:34,760 Co. That's right. We recently lost, yeah, yeah, it's been, 24 00:01:35,270 --> 00:01:38,750 well, I guess a couple of months now. No, it's only been two 25 00:01:38,900 --> 00:01:44,740 weeks. Oh my gosh, it's wow, time, just 29th Yes, he did. But 26 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:48,610 anyway, we've got, and he wrote a great book called My Life on 27 00:01:48,610 --> 00:01:53,380 the Road with David Allen Co, which I, I think I go down as 28 00:01:53,470 --> 00:01:56,890 maybe the second person that bought it, because I bought it 29 00:01:56,890 --> 00:02:00,390 right when it came out. No, only five people bought it, so you 30 00:02:00,420 --> 00:02:00,960 were third, 31 00:02:03,390 --> 00:02:06,750 Mickey. You played bass to have you with us. 32 00:02:07,770 --> 00:02:11,070 Yeah, the great Mickey Hayes, who has been through the wars, 33 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:14,130 man. We ain't got enough time to get to all the stories that this 34 00:02:14,220 --> 00:02:17,430 man can.. Oh, we could. We'll have to have several, several 35 00:02:17,460 --> 00:02:21,350 episodes. We may be joined by Gary Gentry. Gary, 36 00:02:23,090 --> 00:02:26,270 no show, Gentry. We don't know what's happened to Gary, but he 37 00:02:26,390 --> 00:02:29,720 may show up and keep this on our toes. But even if he does, 38 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:33,620 fashionably late, yes, he wants to make a big entrance. Well, he 39 00:02:33,740 --> 00:02:37,520 can afford to do that, because he said big, big, you know, big 40 00:02:37,730 --> 00:02:42,040 song. He's had a few, yeah, he's VIP, yeah, he is VIP, didn't he 41 00:02:42,190 --> 00:02:46,150 just have was a Garth who cut the ride recently? Yeah, yeah, 42 00:02:46,420 --> 00:02:48,970 we got to ask him if he put the siding on his house, yeah, that 43 00:02:48,970 --> 00:02:49,420 was his plan. 44 00:02:51,550 --> 00:02:52,480 But Mickey, 45 00:02:53,710 --> 00:02:55,150 you know, you wrote this book, man, 46 00:02:56,470 --> 00:02:59,800 it is like I was telling you, it was like being on the road with 47 00:02:59,890 --> 00:03:01,230 you guys and 48 00:03:02,250 --> 00:03:06,690 David was a great entertainer. Yes, he was a great entertainer. 49 00:03:06,780 --> 00:03:10,350 But the thing about you guys, it's like I told people that 50 00:03:10,740 --> 00:03:12,000 they go, 'Oh, man, I went to see.. 51 00:03:13,020 --> 00:03:15,870 well, I went to see that this show, the Sex Pistols, man. It 52 00:03:15,900 --> 00:03:18,690 was, it was crazy, it was dangerous. I said, 'You've never 53 00:03:18,780 --> 00:03:20,160 been to a David Allen Co show? 54 00:03:21,300 --> 00:03:21,360 Yeah, 55 00:03:22,530 --> 00:03:24,320 you know, tell you how dangerous it was. 56 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:27,530 Maybe the first year into playing with him, we were doing 57 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:28,100 a club in 58 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:33,740 Miami called Cowboys, yeah. When after Urban Cowboy came out, all 59 00:03:33,740 --> 00:03:36,350 of a sudden the disco started changing in the country, yeah. 60 00:03:37,250 --> 00:03:41,530 And I came on stage to do a sound check, and David said, I 61 00:03:41,590 --> 00:03:44,440 got something new over there, and I looked over, and on the 62 00:03:44,500 --> 00:03:46,660 stand in front of his microphone, he had like a 63 00:03:46,750 --> 00:03:50,710 little, like a music stand, but flat, it flattened out, yeah, 64 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:54,430 and he had a little eight channel board on it, so he could 65 00:03:54,430 --> 00:03:58,630 do his monitors, and I looked over, he said he had something 66 00:03:58,660 --> 00:04:01,170 new, and I said, what, I've seen those before, he said he 67 00:04:02,370 --> 00:04:07,440 had a four shot, four barrel derringer lying on the side of 68 00:04:07,470 --> 00:04:08,490 his monitor mixer. 69 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:12,690 What's that? He said, well, you never know, 70 00:04:14,460 --> 00:04:15,900 which I found out. Yeah, you 71 00:04:17,430 --> 00:04:21,530 never know when you first got together with David, what, what 72 00:04:21,650 --> 00:04:23,930 year was it, if you can remember? And 70, it was the 73 00:04:24,530 --> 00:04:28,730 first of the summer of 79 Yeah, and you flew, you were flown, 74 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:30,800 were you not? Yeah, what happened 75 00:04:31,970 --> 00:04:34,970 is I was starving living in Garner, North Carolina. We 76 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:39,380 didn't have electricity, and always my mom said electricity, 77 00:04:39,980 --> 00:04:40,160 but 78 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:43,060 shout out to my mom, but 79 00:04:44,740 --> 00:04:48,250 I didn't have any money, I was starving. I just quit beach band 80 00:04:48,280 --> 00:04:51,700 I was playing with, because I just made me drink a lot. I had 81 00:04:51,730 --> 00:04:52,450 to quit drinking, 82 00:04:53,950 --> 00:04:54,730 but so 83 00:04:55,870 --> 00:04:57,460 Wizard Alan Hicks 84 00:04:58,810 --> 00:04:59,710 was his bass player. 85 00:05:00,270 --> 00:05:03,990 He was out front of house with Band deposit. I had quit, so 86 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,440 he called one of the roadies useless. 87 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,160 Useless had his daddy, his daddy was worthless. 88 00:05:13,530 --> 00:05:16,560 But anyway, don't ask what Mama said. But anyway, 89 00:05:18,780 --> 00:05:21,770 he said, "Mick, I said yeah, this uselessly introduced 90 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,890 itself. He said Wizard wanted me to call you, see if you'd be 91 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:28,310 interested in joining the David Allen Cole band. I said, Well, 92 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:28,820 who's that? 93 00:05:30,590 --> 00:05:33,230 I've been rock and rolling news all night. He said, well, he 94 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,260 explained it to who it was and everything. I said, Well, yeah, 95 00:05:36,380 --> 00:05:37,970 I'd be interested. I said, How much he pay 96 00:05:40,070 --> 00:05:44,110 and pay was good for that time period, and, and he said, "Well, 97 00:05:44,140 --> 00:05:47,530 we got you a plane flight in the morning to marathon. 98 00:05:48,730 --> 00:05:51,550 He didn't mention that it was a one-way flight, but 99 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,290 so we got, and we flew down to Miami, and caught a little 100 00:05:56,350 --> 00:05:59,170 puddle jumper they called air sometimes. It was air sunshine, 101 00:05:59,380 --> 00:06:03,210 but locals called it air. Sometimes I found out why I was 102 00:06:03,300 --> 00:06:07,140 sitting, and uselessly, man, the engine over there was throwing 103 00:06:07,290 --> 00:06:10,860 oil out. I'm like, well, go tell the pilot. So he went up and 104 00:06:11,310 --> 00:06:14,250 pulled himself that damn DC nine seats, you know, you got to pull 105 00:06:14,430 --> 00:06:18,360 up. He came back and said, what the pilot say? He said, let him 106 00:06:18,390 --> 00:06:19,110 know if it quits. 107 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:24,590 Oh man. Welcome to David Alico World, 108 00:06:26,690 --> 00:06:27,500 only the best, 109 00:06:29,060 --> 00:06:31,730 but I walked off, and, like, I told you, I walked off, and 110 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:34,610 Darty, who was past president of the Louisville chapter outlaws, 111 00:06:35,750 --> 00:06:40,010 Illinois, Louisville, Kentucky, and David was standing right 112 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,270 beside her, and look, Dougherty looked like a hardcore outlaw 113 00:06:43,390 --> 00:06:44,380 biker, which he was. 114 00:06:45,940 --> 00:06:49,270 David, like I told you, looked like a white mr. T. Yeah, he 115 00:06:49,390 --> 00:06:53,050 did, had all the chance. He would drown if he fell in a 116 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:53,590 puddle, yeah. 117 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:59,530 And he had diamond rings, I mean, biggest 50 cent piece, 118 00:06:59,860 --> 00:07:02,790 even on his sums, yeah, and I'm sitting there going and bib 119 00:07:02,940 --> 00:07:03,330 overalls, 120 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:07,890 and I had that moment. Am I gonna go down these stairs or 121 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:10,230 I'm gonna get the get back in this plane? 122 00:07:12,570 --> 00:07:17,640 So I went down, I got into limo, and we went on to the compound, 123 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:22,640 the purple house, yeah, yeah. Mimi, his wife, after Debbie, 124 00:07:22,820 --> 00:07:26,750 the first Debbie left, no, the first Jodi, yeah, left him. Mimi 125 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:30,170 came in. She was from Florida, really a nice girl. Yeah, she 126 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:30,620 was, and 127 00:07:32,930 --> 00:07:34,190 he painted the house purple. 128 00:07:35,300 --> 00:07:39,260 I helped, I didn't want to, but she, she told him her favorite 129 00:07:39,350 --> 00:07:43,570 color was royal purple. So we were going to Lowe's. I 130 00:07:45,850 --> 00:07:50,230 just finished redoing the bus, me and Useless and Rodeo, you 131 00:07:50,290 --> 00:07:52,750 know? He bought the old bus from Chubby Checker, and it was 132 00:07:52,870 --> 00:07:55,720 pretty bad shape, so we went to Lowe's and bought nails and 133 00:07:55,780 --> 00:07:59,020 screws and lumber, and I'm like, okay, I'm the bass player, all 134 00:07:59,170 --> 00:07:59,260 right, 135 00:08:00,700 --> 00:08:07,080 yeah, now I'm doing bus, so then we, we refitted a 50 foot wooden 136 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:11,460 hole, used to be a cable vessel, like it laid cable phone cable, 137 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:13,890 yeah, and we had to refit that, 138 00:08:15,930 --> 00:08:16,050 and 139 00:08:17,370 --> 00:08:21,080 then, and we had these beautiful busses, he had a 59 golden 140 00:08:21,230 --> 00:08:25,790 eagle, we had the band bus was a 60 silver eagle, and Hobie Laws 141 00:08:25,940 --> 00:08:31,010 was a fantastic art. Oh yeah, airbrush, he had painted two 142 00:08:31,130 --> 00:08:34,250 porpoises, yeah, yeah, it was cool, and had the old western 143 00:08:34,340 --> 00:08:36,860 with them right near him, and Waylon and Willie riding up, you 144 00:08:36,890 --> 00:08:39,920 know, the sunset behind him, western cowboys riding up, yeah. 145 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:43,240 So I wake up one morning after a pretty hard night, 146 00:08:44,590 --> 00:08:45,340 and I smell paint, 147 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:48,970 so I walk out, and we're right on the end of the peninsula, you 148 00:08:49,030 --> 00:08:51,310 know, and you can see the seven mile bridge off to the right, 149 00:08:52,270 --> 00:08:53,980 and I wake up, I walk out, 150 00:08:55,390 --> 00:08:59,620 useless is on a 12 or 10 foot ladder with a spray can 151 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:05,490 of black paint, he's got boxes of hands over here by his side, 152 00:09:05,970 --> 00:09:08,910 and we're on the Edit Peninsula, you know. We got wind coming off 153 00:09:08,940 --> 00:09:11,490 the channel. Yeah, he's up there painting the busses black, 154 00:09:13,350 --> 00:09:15,150 both busses, which break hands, 155 00:09:16,470 --> 00:09:19,980 unbelievable. Yeah, I started learning a lot those early, 156 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:23,510 those couple of weeks, I bet. So, what was the point of that? 157 00:09:23,690 --> 00:09:26,990 I mean, did some.. did David ask him to do that, or he just did 158 00:09:27,050 --> 00:09:30,470 it? No, David had him do it. Oh, wow, yeah. Wow, David just got 159 00:09:30,470 --> 00:09:33,740 it in his mind, he wanted.. he wanted, but.. and then he put 160 00:09:33,770 --> 00:09:37,160 these.. had them, I think, rodeo.. he went and got gold 161 00:09:37,460 --> 00:09:41,080 paint, because he's got to have his name on everything, and he 162 00:09:41,380 --> 00:09:46,300 just really amateurish EAC in five foot levers on both sides 163 00:09:46,420 --> 00:09:46,780 of the bus, 164 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:49,240 no AC, might I add. 165 00:09:50,380 --> 00:09:53,290 Oh man, in the middle of summer in the Keys, 166 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:58,030 we're on a black bus, the windows don't open. Oh no, 167 00:09:59,680 --> 00:09:59,860 school. 168 00:10:00,180 --> 00:10:00,750 Us, we did, 169 00:10:08,550 --> 00:10:10,320 yeah, but that was us, and we'd, 170 00:10:11,820 --> 00:10:15,120 you know, back then, two busses, I wrote a song about it, 171 00:10:16,560 --> 00:10:21,170 two busses, couple limos, two tractor trailers, outlaw bikers 172 00:10:21,290 --> 00:10:25,010 behind us, and looking mean, and that was us, that was you. 173 00:10:26,030 --> 00:10:28,310 I left out the elective case of swamp ass 174 00:10:32,030 --> 00:10:34,790 people, people, you know, we come into town, and there'd be a 175 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:39,170 TV station or radio or whatever, so we'd stop about 20 miles out 176 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:39,650 of town, 177 00:10:40,820 --> 00:10:43,360 and Mater was our Harley mechanic, we had Harleys on the 178 00:10:43,450 --> 00:10:46,570 road, each memory had a Harley, he would get, he'd back our 179 00:10:46,630 --> 00:10:49,870 Harleys out of the truck, and we put a little dust on us, you 180 00:10:49,930 --> 00:10:51,760 know, yeah, right into town 181 00:10:53,350 --> 00:10:54,520 with 20 miles in the town, 182 00:10:56,560 --> 00:10:59,830 wow, man, them a hardcore outlaws, I'm like 20 miles back, 183 00:10:59,890 --> 00:11:02,070 we sit on butt ring, Jack Daniels was smoking, 184 00:11:05,580 --> 00:11:10,290 but it was all David. He was like, he told me one time, I 185 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:13,770 said, "Man, why have you got all these busses and trucks and 186 00:11:13,830 --> 00:11:16,530 everything painted? Because the trucks, the trailers are painted 187 00:11:16,590 --> 00:11:20,010 up too, and I'm like, "Why? Why is it all painted up like that? 188 00:11:20,100 --> 00:11:20,270 You know, 189 00:11:21,680 --> 00:11:25,340 I don't want to say it's gaudy, but yeah, he's so well. If 190 00:11:25,430 --> 00:11:26,960 you're in a small town and 191 00:11:28,250 --> 00:11:32,150 circus comes to town and they put up that big tent with all 192 00:11:32,180 --> 00:11:35,450 those pictures, you ride by, you're like, I gotta go and see 193 00:11:35,540 --> 00:11:38,360 what they're doing in there. Same thing with us, we ride in 194 00:11:38,420 --> 00:11:38,540 those 195 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:41,020 dive bar towns 196 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:45,880 until the ride came out, yeah, and everybody would show up. 197 00:11:46,810 --> 00:11:49,360 Well, that's true. I mean, I always thought it was 198 00:11:50,500 --> 00:11:53,980 really ingenious of David, because at the time, you know, 199 00:11:54,010 --> 00:11:57,220 if you were a country singer, and especially in the case of 200 00:11:57,310 --> 00:11:59,470 David, where you're playing clubs all the time, you usually 201 00:11:59,560 --> 00:12:03,660 just had a bus, and that was it, that was all you had, but David 202 00:12:03,780 --> 00:12:08,100 showed up, he had like three busses, several semis carrying 203 00:12:09,060 --> 00:12:14,280 it was like, man, this is it, was PT Barnum, baby, exactly, 204 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:17,490 that's why in the book I called David the PT Barnum of Country 205 00:12:17,490 --> 00:12:18,690 Music, I think he was, he 206 00:12:24,350 --> 00:12:27,680 I am Vinny Tavarez. I'm the owner of Milltown Bikes, right 207 00:12:27,980 --> 00:12:30,920 in the heart of Columbia, Tennessee, on the square. And 208 00:12:30,980 --> 00:12:33,380 we're here to serve the community. We have bicycles from 209 00:12:33,500 --> 00:12:37,040 kids to adults, e-bikes, mountain bikes, road bikes. We 210 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:42,010 run a repair shop. So I am the third generation of this current 211 00:12:42,370 --> 00:12:45,730 bike shop, it's been here since the 70s. It's a historical 212 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:49,720 building, it's an integral part of the downtown community in 213 00:12:49,780 --> 00:12:52,870 Colombia. We got customers here coming in and talking that they 214 00:12:52,990 --> 00:12:56,380 got their very first bike here, so the reception is doing great. 215 00:12:56,650 --> 00:12:59,650 Everybody's been super friendly, super welcoming. A lot of the 216 00:12:59,710 --> 00:13:03,180 old customers that been coming here for generations now still 217 00:13:03,300 --> 00:13:06,540 come here, they're now my customers, and I have a huge 218 00:13:06,630 --> 00:13:10,050 responsibility to continue to carry that legacy and that 219 00:13:10,140 --> 00:13:10,800 passion forward. 220 00:13:15,780 --> 00:13:15,870 One 221 00:13:17,250 --> 00:13:20,510 of the first times I saw you guys, I was also knocked out 222 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:22,970 that he had screens, oh 223 00:13:25,190 --> 00:13:29,900 yeah, yeah. I think Popsco, Popco, Popco was, was, was 224 00:13:30,020 --> 00:13:32,960 running, was running that head of God. Yeah, 225 00:13:35,450 --> 00:13:37,880 David got this idea way back. I don't know where he got the 226 00:13:38,090 --> 00:13:42,010 idea. I guess he's seen it, the curtain. Yes, we start Willie 227 00:13:42,130 --> 00:13:45,130 Whaley and me, you know, that's our opening song in the curtain 228 00:13:45,190 --> 00:13:49,690 falls. So we're in five points in Atlanta. I don't know, I 229 00:13:49,870 --> 00:13:50,800 remember this stuff, but 230 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:54,310 Pop Co, the crew had to build him, 231 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:59,470 you remember the horse, the Trojan Horse? Yes, they built 232 00:13:59,500 --> 00:14:03,930 him a tower like that, it had rollers on it, bottom up, so it 233 00:14:03,930 --> 00:14:06,750 could roll them, you know. But anyway, that's where he stood, 234 00:14:06,870 --> 00:14:10,230 and he's up about 10 foot in there. Oh yeah, pop cold from 235 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:14,070 Ohio, yeah, he worked the rubber company, yeah, he was a steward, 236 00:14:14,220 --> 00:14:17,280 yeah. Damn it, come here, come here, but anyway, that's a whole 237 00:14:17,430 --> 00:14:22,160 nother story. But yeah, and so David got his curtain, and so 238 00:14:22,370 --> 00:14:26,390 that crew spent hours putting the damn thing up, and it was 239 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:28,550 probably about 15 foot high, black, 240 00:14:29,570 --> 00:14:32,060 and the stage was probably maybe 3540 241 00:14:33,110 --> 00:14:36,170 foot wide. So we're up there, and we start Willie, wait, the 242 00:14:38,660 --> 00:14:40,460 curtain don't do anything. Oh no, 243 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:43,480 spinal tap still, 244 00:14:46,030 --> 00:14:47,770 still nothing. David's getting pissed off, 245 00:14:49,630 --> 00:14:52,210 so Roku has to go out and pull the curtain, 246 00:14:53,860 --> 00:14:56,350 drag it off to the side. What happened 247 00:14:58,630 --> 00:14:59,920 when you just pick. 248 00:15:00,060 --> 00:15:01,380 People off the street, 249 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,280 and you're on my road crew now. What experience you got? None. 250 00:15:05,940 --> 00:15:06,450 Okay, you're hired. 251 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:11,970 Well, it's like his son Tyler. I remember Tyler told the story 252 00:15:12,030 --> 00:15:14,850 about when he joined up with his dad. Dad 253 00:15:16,020 --> 00:15:19,080 said, have you been learned, you know, have you been working on 254 00:15:19,170 --> 00:15:19,650 your guitar? 255 00:15:20,730 --> 00:15:23,720 Tyler said, I lied. Oh, yeah. He goes, well, good, because you're 256 00:15:23,750 --> 00:15:25,880 going to be working on a live album tonight. 257 00:15:26,930 --> 00:15:27,020 Yep, 258 00:15:28,190 --> 00:15:32,960 Scott Tyler, try your trial by fire. Yeah, people ask me when I 259 00:15:33,020 --> 00:15:35,030 got to the funeral in Cincinnati, they're like, 'Is 260 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:38,300 Tyler coming? I'm like, I doubt very highly he's going to be 261 00:15:38,390 --> 00:15:41,530 here. Yeah, he didn't show. He's got his own reasons, and I 262 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:46,150 respect him. I do too. I think he's in fact, I think both he.. 263 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:50,350 I think all the kids, really, Tanya, all of them, yeah, have 264 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:54,520 handled it far better than very classy, very classy, far 265 00:15:54,610 --> 00:15:59,560 classier than his widow. Yeah, yeah, but we won't go there. No, 266 00:15:59,740 --> 00:16:00,220 I won't. 267 00:16:01,420 --> 00:16:04,500 I respect what they're doing, and I show my respect to them, 268 00:16:04,950 --> 00:16:07,290 and I know what they've gone through. Yes, 269 00:16:08,340 --> 00:16:12,960 God, since early 2010 or whenever, but I've been there. 270 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:17,220 And then I went back and saw it firsthand. I worked with him. He 271 00:16:17,340 --> 00:16:20,570 called me in the middle of 2014 wanted me to put another band 272 00:16:20,570 --> 00:16:23,450 together, I guess. He respected the first one I put together, 273 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:27,200 but so I put him another band together and went out on the 274 00:16:27,260 --> 00:16:30,290 road with him, and he was married then. And so I found out 275 00:16:30,350 --> 00:16:34,340 firsthand what was going on, but you know that's family business. 276 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:37,940 Well, that's what he wanted. I mean, well, he told me one time, 277 00:16:38,180 --> 00:16:40,990 you know, I asked him, because we had a good relationship with 278 00:16:41,170 --> 00:16:45,340 y'all, and I said, "Man, I mean, what's going on? I mean, I'm not 279 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:48,370 putting anybody down, but I don't think you need her up here 280 00:16:48,430 --> 00:16:51,220 on stage with you. People come to see you, and you're sitting 281 00:16:51,310 --> 00:16:53,830 over on the side, yeah, coming to see you. 282 00:16:55,180 --> 00:16:58,180 And he go, "And he told me. He said, "I just don't want to die 283 00:16:58,300 --> 00:16:58,600 alone. 284 00:17:00,220 --> 00:17:04,260 That was, that was all I needed. Wow, I respected that. Yeah, I 285 00:17:04,350 --> 00:17:06,930 do too. He just didn't want to die alone. He knew his time was 286 00:17:07,020 --> 00:17:09,900 coming sooner or later, and he, yeah, because his health was 287 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:13,800 already getting bad back then. But he, I'll give it to him, he 288 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:14,850 tried, you know, 289 00:17:16,110 --> 00:17:19,200 he'd get up there and we played shows, and 290 00:17:21,330 --> 00:17:22,250 he just didn't have that 291 00:17:23,930 --> 00:17:24,650 well. I saw him in 2009 292 00:17:26,270 --> 00:17:29,600 with Blackberry Smoke. It was in this little place called 293 00:17:29,780 --> 00:17:34,880 Covington, Georgia. Great show. In fact, I wasn't expecting 294 00:17:34,970 --> 00:17:37,040 much, because I thought, man, David's got to be up there now. 295 00:17:37,310 --> 00:17:40,040 And, and what was weird, they didn't have a bass player. 296 00:17:41,180 --> 00:17:44,320 There was no bass player, but they just, they had really 297 00:17:44,500 --> 00:17:49,180 pumped up the bass drum, like, oh yeah, yeah, right, yeah, but 298 00:17:49,180 --> 00:17:53,140 he was great, I mean, he, and she wasn't there, it was just 299 00:17:53,230 --> 00:17:57,130 him, so it was a really good show. Now, last show I saw with 300 00:17:57,190 --> 00:18:00,240 him, no, I really wanted my money back, because they only 301 00:18:00,330 --> 00:18:04,050 stayed on stage maybe 30 minutes. He acted like he didn't 302 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,090 want to be there, and we got 303 00:18:07,260 --> 00:18:08,910 when I went back with him, we got 304 00:18:11,730 --> 00:18:13,620 a lot of club owners and promoters, 305 00:18:15,090 --> 00:18:18,510 because we, I made a point. I rented a vehicle for me, and I 306 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,200 hired a drummer and a guitar player, but I made a point of 307 00:18:21,290 --> 00:18:25,280 renting my own vehicle, because I got, I saw what was going on. 308 00:18:25,550 --> 00:18:30,020 Yeah, and so I'm in control, and y'all send me itinerary, I'll 309 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:33,080 meet you at the show, that way you know I don't have to be 310 00:18:33,350 --> 00:18:34,610 there, and 311 00:18:35,810 --> 00:18:37,850 but it just, it wasn't same, it was 312 00:18:38,930 --> 00:18:43,570 every show was a struggle, you know, yeah, and, and having that 313 00:18:44,710 --> 00:18:45,550 tambourine going in, 314 00:18:47,110 --> 00:18:50,320 it just wasn't what I remembered, you know, and no, 315 00:18:50,380 --> 00:18:53,410 because you guys, you put together a great band, that was 316 00:18:53,470 --> 00:18:56,770 a really good band, because you found, of all people, Warren 317 00:18:57,130 --> 00:19:00,310 Haynes, who, I mean, that dude was, I remember, first time I 318 00:19:00,430 --> 00:19:03,030 saw him with you guys, I thought, where they find this 319 00:19:03,180 --> 00:19:06,150 cat, man. I was, we'd finished that movie, we 320 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:11,640 filmed the movie Lady Gray over in Charlotte with Ginger Aldrin 321 00:19:12,780 --> 00:19:16,500 Earl Ownsby. Yeah, we got drunk one night. She told me what 322 00:19:16,530 --> 00:19:19,980 exactly happened. I can't repeat it. She formed me in secrecy, 323 00:19:20,100 --> 00:19:23,180 but she told me what happened that night. Wow, and I'm like, 324 00:19:23,630 --> 00:19:26,840 oh, okay, because I'd read all this other crap in the papers, 325 00:19:26,900 --> 00:19:30,200 you know. You can't believe any of that. Her mom, after she told 326 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:31,640 me a good part of it, her mom came 327 00:19:32,870 --> 00:19:35,450 and got hers because they had a lawsuit, because they'd promised 328 00:19:35,450 --> 00:19:38,270 her a house, right? And they were in legal thing, you know. 329 00:19:38,390 --> 00:19:39,950 So her mom said, "Come with me. 330 00:19:41,030 --> 00:19:42,280 I got most of the story, 331 00:19:44,530 --> 00:19:46,690 but she was a sweetheart, but yeah, David, man, 332 00:19:48,490 --> 00:19:52,660 like in a song I go, you know, David comes along one once in a 333 00:19:52,750 --> 00:19:53,170 lifetime. 334 00:19:54,550 --> 00:19:57,970 What was the last line of the song? Country Mute, Nashville 335 00:19:58,120 --> 00:19:59,620 said no, but old Dave said. 336 00:20:00,270 --> 00:20:01,320 Diamond, yes, I can, 337 00:20:02,730 --> 00:20:05,970 and he did, and he did, he did it his way, yeah, he did, and a 338 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,060 lot more artists are doing that now, which I really like, you 339 00:20:09,090 --> 00:20:12,570 know. Well, he paved the way. There's a lot more really good 340 00:20:12,900 --> 00:20:16,710 entertainers that write their own songs, which I hate, because 341 00:20:16,770 --> 00:20:17,580 I'm trying to write songs, 342 00:20:19,650 --> 00:20:22,640 but I'm not an entertainer, I was a bass player. Yeah, you 343 00:20:22,670 --> 00:20:25,520 know, I sang harmony. I can give you a fifth or a third or 344 00:20:25,550 --> 00:20:29,420 whatever, but I've never wanted to be out front. Yeah, I go now 345 00:20:29,900 --> 00:20:32,420 and people want to hear a code song, and I'll play on my co 346 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:37,460 song with my acoustic, and then I sell my book. Yeah, and I just 347 00:20:37,460 --> 00:20:40,070 don't want to be the front man, you know. Yeah, I just. 348 00:20:41,450 --> 00:20:45,520 I'm enjoying. Got I got the book finished, and it just opened up 349 00:20:45,580 --> 00:20:46,450 a new thing for me. 350 00:20:47,830 --> 00:20:49,930 I think I've written in the last two months, I've probably 351 00:20:49,990 --> 00:20:50,440 written 3540 352 00:20:51,670 --> 00:20:56,170 songs, you know. Wow. Well, it just, it opened up that, uh, 353 00:20:56,620 --> 00:20:58,840 cannabis-induced dead part of my mind. 354 00:21:02,110 --> 00:21:04,680 I don't know, maybe it's been there for a while, but I finally 355 00:21:06,120 --> 00:21:07,800 found it. But now that's what I do. 356 00:21:08,970 --> 00:21:11,370 Promote the book. I stay on the road as much as possible. 357 00:21:12,630 --> 00:21:16,800 Sally owns the Iron Horse Saloon. Yeah, I go down Steven. 358 00:21:16,950 --> 00:21:19,050 Yeah, Sally's a good old girl, but 359 00:21:20,190 --> 00:21:23,450 she thought the world of David. Yes, she really did. But she, 360 00:21:23,450 --> 00:21:27,740 she put my book in her stores, and I go down twice a year and 361 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,830 get up and do a song or two. I got to do Perfect Country 362 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:34,550 Western, darling, darling. Oh yeah, got to do that one. But I 363 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,490 do the ride sometimes, and every now and then I go back, and 364 00:21:38,660 --> 00:21:41,050 if it's inside somewhere or something, I like to do. 365 00:21:42,790 --> 00:21:44,710 Would you lay with me? Of course, everybody knows that 366 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,010 one, but there's a lot of his old songs people don't know that 367 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,920 are really good. That early stuff rides again, all those 368 00:21:51,220 --> 00:21:54,700 albums. Oh, I mean, he.. I mean, you look at his whole Columbia 369 00:21:56,050 --> 00:21:59,080 catalog. I mean, there were a lot of songs. That's why, when I 370 00:21:59,140 --> 00:22:02,730 was in radio, yeah, I played a lot because I thought these 371 00:22:02,790 --> 00:22:05,940 songs should be played on the radio, they're too good, and 372 00:22:06,030 --> 00:22:08,340 great statues, rides again, those, yeah, 373 00:22:09,570 --> 00:22:12,570 find, find a bad song, I dare you, called Mysterious 374 00:22:12,660 --> 00:22:15,960 Rhinestone Cowboy, Once Upon a Rhyme, those albums were great, 375 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:16,950 we, 376 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:22,370 we were rewrote, you know, he did stand by your band, that's 377 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:26,840 the song we wrote. He did stand by your man. So me and Warren 378 00:22:27,470 --> 00:22:30,860 got together and rewrote Stand By Your Man, and rewrote it into 379 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:32,030 Stand By Your Band. 380 00:22:34,190 --> 00:22:37,760 You know, David, we drive your busses all night long because we 381 00:22:37,940 --> 00:22:41,650 care. Just to get to the hotel the next morning and find out 382 00:22:41,740 --> 00:22:43,480 you spent the money on your damned old hair. 383 00:22:45,940 --> 00:22:49,030 What started the what started the wig thing happening 384 00:22:50,380 --> 00:22:50,680 was you? 385 00:22:51,850 --> 00:22:54,760 He liked your hair. We were in London. Well, you know, you saw 386 00:22:54,940 --> 00:22:56,050 the Gilly show. Yes, 387 00:22:57,820 --> 00:23:02,220 head full of hair. So we were in London, and so I'm, it's Mimi's 388 00:23:02,820 --> 00:23:07,920 birthday, so I'm in my room somewhere downtown, and she 389 00:23:08,070 --> 00:23:11,100 knocks on the door and comes in, and we talk, you know, and she 390 00:23:11,250 --> 00:23:12,660 tells me the itinerary for the day, 391 00:23:13,740 --> 00:23:15,720 and said, I got something to tell you, you're not gonna 392 00:23:15,810 --> 00:23:16,230 believe, 393 00:23:17,580 --> 00:23:18,690 honey, I believe anything 394 00:23:19,740 --> 00:23:20,930 you talk about your husband, 395 00:23:22,430 --> 00:23:27,440 and she said Dave went downtown and bought a wig. I said, yeah, 396 00:23:28,100 --> 00:23:30,830 well, his hair is starting to fade, you know. Say, well, 397 00:23:30,860 --> 00:23:31,280 that's not it. 398 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,510 I said, well, what's it? If he bought a wig, what's it? He 399 00:23:35,630 --> 00:23:35,930 named 400 00:23:37,610 --> 00:23:39,410 it. He named his wig, 401 00:23:40,580 --> 00:23:43,870 and of course, what do you name it, Mickey? I'll 402 00:23:48,310 --> 00:23:51,940 bear that for the rest of my life. Oh man, well, and some of 403 00:23:51,940 --> 00:23:53,380 the wigs.. oh Lord, 404 00:23:56,950 --> 00:24:01,080 actually it started slowly. We were in Meridian, Mississippi. 405 00:24:01,260 --> 00:24:05,310 Yeah, I remember, because I was sitting. Mimi had booked this in 406 00:24:05,370 --> 00:24:10,440 a salon, David. Yeah, I said I called her. I said David's going 407 00:24:10,500 --> 00:24:14,880 to a salon. She said, yeah, yeah. So we went, and you know, 408 00:24:15,090 --> 00:24:15,150 day 409 00:24:16,530 --> 00:24:20,370 John Lennon got killed. I was sitting watching it on TV. 410 00:24:21,450 --> 00:24:22,760 He was getting extensions, 411 00:24:24,050 --> 00:24:26,630 you know, his little, yeah, things with all the colored 412 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,510 beads, oh yeah, he was getting them extended and getting a 413 00:24:29,570 --> 00:24:33,710 little extension in his hair, yeah, and that kind of broke the 414 00:24:34,010 --> 00:24:36,530 ice into going, and then we got to London, he went and got a 415 00:24:36,620 --> 00:24:39,980 wig, but some of those wigs, you're right, they were, oh 416 00:24:41,420 --> 00:24:44,830 man, oh, they were bad. There's one you can see it on YouTube. 417 00:24:44,980 --> 00:24:48,580 He's being interviewed by some television station. He's got a 418 00:24:48,610 --> 00:24:52,300 Farrah Fawcett wig, and it's just blonde as can be. And 419 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:56,620 thinking, damn, we did Ralph Emory one night. It's right when 420 00:24:56,620 --> 00:24:58,570 they were having the, what do you call it, the CMT 421 00:24:59,770 --> 00:24:59,830 of. 422 00:25:00,090 --> 00:25:01,590 All the stars come out and sign, yeah, 423 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:04,230 so he did it that day, 424 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:06,990 and he wore a short haired wig 425 00:25:08,700 --> 00:25:11,580 to do something. So we're on Ralph Emory, he's got a long 426 00:25:11,670 --> 00:25:12,300 haired wig over, 427 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,460 so he's in between songs. He goes, "Now, most of y'all saw me 428 00:25:17,670 --> 00:25:22,190 today at the festival, and I had long hair, new crowd. 429 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,030 He said, Well, that's not my hair, and he pulls it off. He's 430 00:25:26,090 --> 00:25:29,930 got the short hair wig on TV Live, Ralph Emory in Ashville 431 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,090 now, and I'm sitting there with my bass, going, 432 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,520 and he pulls the wig off, he's got his short hair wig on in the 433 00:25:37,550 --> 00:25:40,550 crowd. He said, but that's not my hair either. Then he pulls it 434 00:25:40,550 --> 00:25:41,740 off, he's got another long hair. 435 00:25:45,730 --> 00:25:48,250 I always said they're like my mama's watching this day. 436 00:25:51,010 --> 00:25:54,280 I remember one, remember one show, because we had him several 437 00:25:54,370 --> 00:25:57,670 times at the Rusty Spur in Birmingham. Oh yeah, he really 438 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:01,170 liked the club, because I mean, he pulled great crap, and plus 439 00:26:01,230 --> 00:26:04,290 the station did a great job promoting it, but 440 00:26:05,940 --> 00:26:08,730 I think it was whenever Deb, Debbie Pardue left him. Yeah, 441 00:26:10,170 --> 00:26:12,870 and he came, and he was not in a good mood, 442 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:18,060 and he had forgotten his wig, because he was.. it was just.. I 443 00:26:18,210 --> 00:26:21,110 mean, there was no hair at all. Yeah, so I thought, how's he 444 00:26:21,170 --> 00:26:22,940 going to explain this to the crowd, 445 00:26:24,020 --> 00:26:27,170 and he said, yeah, I know you all saw me a few months ago, and 446 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,650 I had hair, real long hair. He said, my wife just left me, so 447 00:26:30,770 --> 00:26:33,650 he said I cut off all my hair and threw it at her, said you're 448 00:26:33,710 --> 00:26:34,790 taking everything else 449 00:26:38,450 --> 00:26:39,110 that's inventive 450 00:26:40,550 --> 00:26:43,120 old day. Yeah, you never knew what was coming down that road. 451 00:26:43,210 --> 00:26:46,690 I tell you, Mickey, the first time you met him, though. Yeah, 452 00:26:47,020 --> 00:26:50,650 I mean, what, what was that like? I mean, did it take a 453 00:26:50,710 --> 00:26:54,070 while for him to warm up to you? Was it an immediate, 454 00:26:55,540 --> 00:26:59,980 you know, kind of you hit it right off immediately? I mean, 455 00:27:00,070 --> 00:27:03,420 how did that go, especially with a guy that you admit you didn't 456 00:27:03,450 --> 00:27:06,330 really know who he was. Well, it wasn't the first time I met him. 457 00:27:06,330 --> 00:27:08,700 It was the first week, and we were on the road, and we're 458 00:27:08,850 --> 00:27:11,760 playing in Fort Lauderdale Center, or someplace down there. 459 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:12,750 And 460 00:27:15,120 --> 00:27:18,090 the first week, Wizard was gave him a week's notice, the bass 461 00:27:18,270 --> 00:27:21,110 player, Alan Hicks, and he was going to leave at the end of the 462 00:27:21,230 --> 00:27:25,490 week and get married, and so I was tuning David's guitar for 463 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:29,480 the first week. So I'm sitting on the side stage right over 464 00:27:29,510 --> 00:27:31,310 here and tuning his guitar 465 00:27:32,420 --> 00:27:35,900 because he capo is on the third fret, so you have to tune it 466 00:27:36,110 --> 00:27:39,110 with the third fret on, make sure it's right, because he 467 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,510 knocks that capo over you out of tune, so I'm tuning a guitar, 468 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,680 and David walks up, and he's kind of knows me, you know, and 469 00:27:48,850 --> 00:27:50,290 he walks up and goes, 470 00:27:51,820 --> 00:27:54,970 I need my guitar, so I look him in the face, I'll say, well, it 471 00:27:54,970 --> 00:27:58,780 ain't in tune, he says it classic line, if he's pissed at 472 00:27:58,900 --> 00:28:01,590 you, he ends it with his word, it's in tune with me, 473 00:28:04,770 --> 00:28:08,730 sir. So, what do I do here? Here you go, there you go. So, he, 474 00:28:09,060 --> 00:28:12,000 this is where I got the respect, because he told the crew 475 00:28:12,180 --> 00:28:16,620 afterwards, I like him, because I stood up, go play, I don't 476 00:28:16,650 --> 00:28:16,770 care. 477 00:28:17,940 --> 00:28:20,900 So, he hit that first capote on the third fret, and he hits the 478 00:28:21,050 --> 00:28:23,630 D, so you don't have to play that bar chord in F, you know, 479 00:28:24,530 --> 00:28:27,560 and here's that first chord, and it sounds like dog poo, 480 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:31,850 so immediately he's looking at me with the 481 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,920 prison stair, and you know us old boys, you know what this 482 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,170 means when you look at somebody and they're saying something bad 483 00:28:39,230 --> 00:28:39,770 to you, you just go 484 00:28:42,860 --> 00:28:42,950 that 485 00:28:44,020 --> 00:28:47,290 It just turned around, kept playing, you know. And then the 486 00:28:47,410 --> 00:28:49,660 show Wizard said, "Man, he came to me. He said, "He likes you. 487 00:28:50,620 --> 00:28:54,310 Okay, and David said, "The only thing I have is you're the best 488 00:28:54,670 --> 00:28:55,930 rodeo on my guitar I've ever 489 00:28:57,220 --> 00:29:01,050 had. I said, "Well, it's either I play bass or I gotta.. I guess 490 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,170 I gotta pay for the plane ticket, go home, but I'm going 491 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,840 home. He hired me. Yeah, so he got, 492 00:29:09,780 --> 00:29:13,410 he got that. What Wizard told me, he is, because I stood up to 493 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:14,250 him. He respected 494 00:29:15,870 --> 00:29:19,080 it. Did he? Did he appreciate that? Did he have a lot of yes 495 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,250 people around him? I see. Yeah, yeah. So, you were, you're the 496 00:29:22,340 --> 00:29:26,690 standout. I just said, hey, you know. Oh, many mornings, man, a 497 00:29:26,750 --> 00:29:27,410 lot of times. 498 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:30,470 One really good one. 499 00:29:32,270 --> 00:29:34,940 We bought this car. He bought this car out of Miami Coach 500 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,790 Works. It looked like an old Packard with the pipes coming 501 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:38,780 out of it. Remember that car? 502 00:29:39,830 --> 00:29:42,700 I had a CDL, which didn't matter for driving the car, but I was 503 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:43,990 elected to drive the car, 504 00:29:45,340 --> 00:29:47,530 and so Warren, I said Warren's gonna ride with me, 505 00:29:49,180 --> 00:29:49,240 so 506 00:29:50,950 --> 00:29:54,640 picked it up in Miami Coach Works, and I got in the car, he 507 00:29:54,700 --> 00:29:57,070 got in the car, Warren got in the car, and we had two trucks, 508 00:29:57,190 --> 00:29:59,320 two busses, limbos, blah blah. 509 00:30:00,420 --> 00:30:04,380 So started pulling out on the road, and I was right behind the 510 00:30:04,410 --> 00:30:04,860 band bus, 511 00:30:05,970 --> 00:30:06,090 and 512 00:30:07,230 --> 00:30:08,460 I called David on the CB, 513 00:30:09,510 --> 00:30:11,580 said, "David, I gotta pull over, we'll catch up to you, I gotta 514 00:30:11,580 --> 00:30:15,210 get some gas in the car. So we're going for gas, we're going 515 00:30:15,210 --> 00:30:16,920 to get some beer and some rolling papers, 516 00:30:18,990 --> 00:30:22,550 because he'd given explicit directions, you can't smoke no 517 00:30:22,700 --> 00:30:27,320 pot in that car, and don't drink it. I'm like, okay, sure. This 518 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:27,530 is 519 00:30:29,390 --> 00:30:32,540 crazy, although I did it, but we got it, and I caught up to him, 520 00:30:33,500 --> 00:30:36,350 and David was driving his bus that day. Rodeo didn't feel 521 00:30:36,500 --> 00:30:38,630 good, so David's up there, you know, 522 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:40,040 and 523 00:30:41,930 --> 00:30:47,260 I pull up that old, it was on a Ford big Ford Explorer chassis, 524 00:30:47,380 --> 00:30:50,080 but it looked like an old Packard. Yeah, it had a ball 525 00:30:50,290 --> 00:30:54,070 punk radio in it, man. I was blaming, but pulled up outside 526 00:30:54,100 --> 00:30:58,420 of David. He looks over and he goes, "What are y'all doing? 527 00:30:59,980 --> 00:31:01,350 By that time Warren 528 00:31:02,730 --> 00:31:05,610 pulls up a joint, and I take a chug of some old beer. 529 00:31:09,210 --> 00:31:11,580 I pulled the classic, because I used to drive a truck with my 530 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,940 daddy. I go in my mic, I go, well, that 531 00:31:21,630 --> 00:31:22,340 even pissed him off, 532 00:31:23,690 --> 00:31:24,830 so I fell back in line, 533 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,260 but you know he knew that I'm just an old country boy. Yeah, 534 00:31:31,580 --> 00:31:34,340 you know, you say something to me and I don't agree, I'm gonna 535 00:31:34,370 --> 00:31:38,120 tell you, yeah. Well, you, he appreciated that, yeah. Well, he 536 00:31:38,180 --> 00:31:41,170 was in prison. You give respect, you get respect, exactly. You 537 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:41,590 know, and 538 00:31:42,790 --> 00:31:43,960 we won't talk about death row. 539 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,610 Well, yeah, there was always that story. Yeah, 540 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,630 I killed a man with a mop handle. 541 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:59,410 Well, in fact, my stepmother was Sherry Bryce. She was.. she sang 542 00:31:59,590 --> 00:32:04,590 with Mel Tillis. Yeah, they had some hits, but she met David at 543 00:32:04,890 --> 00:32:08,340 Mel's office, and she said that was the first thing out of his 544 00:32:08,460 --> 00:32:12,870 mouth when, because she, she never did care for him, and she 545 00:32:13,020 --> 00:32:16,980 never understood why I dug his meat, but she said that's the 546 00:32:17,010 --> 00:32:18,570 first thing out of his mouth was, she goes, 547 00:32:19,950 --> 00:32:23,750 I've been to prison and killed the man, and she said I had no 548 00:32:23,930 --> 00:32:24,710 idea what to say. 549 00:32:27,170 --> 00:32:28,850 Everybody knows the true story, right? 550 00:32:30,290 --> 00:32:32,990 Y'all know the true story about death row. Well, you told me 551 00:32:33,170 --> 00:32:36,620 recently, and I've kept it. Well, some somebody, he, the 552 00:32:36,830 --> 00:32:37,850 cell block he was in, 553 00:32:39,170 --> 00:32:43,330 some guy was pissed off, so he flooded the cell block, the only 554 00:32:43,450 --> 00:32:44,530 cell block they had open. 555 00:32:45,820 --> 00:32:49,390 Mops did figure into it, they had to mop the floor, but, but 556 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:54,220 not in my handle, but they had to move everybody death row, so 557 00:32:54,340 --> 00:32:59,290 he was on death row, but not is true, but not another reason, 558 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,830 not for the reasons, but you know, David was kind of that 559 00:33:01,980 --> 00:33:05,520 way, but I looked at it as show biz, you know, because most, I 560 00:33:05,610 --> 00:33:10,830 mean, even a lot, I mean, a lot of entertainers kind of jazz up 561 00:33:10,950 --> 00:33:14,190 their resume, so to speak, you know, and that's the way I 562 00:33:14,310 --> 00:33:17,730 looked at a lot of people gave him hell for that, but it 563 00:33:18,090 --> 00:33:20,130 didn't, it didn't bother me as bad, 564 00:33:21,300 --> 00:33:22,250 what is the old saying? 565 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:27,440 If you got me in the paper, just spell my name right. Well, I 566 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,980 think he.. I mean, I think a lot of what David did, and in fact, 567 00:33:31,070 --> 00:33:34,910 even with the X-rated albums, is that he wanted people to talk 568 00:33:35,030 --> 00:33:38,210 about him. He liked controversy. Yeah, he welcomed 569 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:40,300 it. I mean, you got 570 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:46,870 a patched member of the Outlaws MC. He's been in prison reform 571 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,800 school and rough life. Boy, is it song? 572 00:33:51,850 --> 00:33:56,950 David was on David was on death row. He took a ride from Juvie 573 00:33:57,100 --> 00:34:01,350 straight to the penitentiary. Yep, that's one of my thing, I 574 00:34:01,470 --> 00:34:03,540 write about, I write, I learned from him, 575 00:34:04,860 --> 00:34:07,740 right from your past, what you've seen, what you 576 00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:10,830 experience, how you feel about it. I was lucky enough to meet 577 00:34:10,890 --> 00:34:15,030 Christopherson, and because I asked questions, I mean, 578 00:34:15,390 --> 00:34:17,880 somebody, they tell me shut up, but if I don't ask it, I don't 579 00:34:17,910 --> 00:34:21,680 know, right? And I, we were talking really nice guy, smart 580 00:34:21,890 --> 00:34:25,910 guy, God, but I asked him, I said, Sunday morning coming 581 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:26,300 down, 582 00:34:28,340 --> 00:34:30,950 how did it make you? What'd you feel? What, how'd you feel 583 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:32,210 writing that song? 584 00:34:33,230 --> 00:34:35,660 And he looked me an eye, and I remember this, and it's been a 585 00:34:35,720 --> 00:34:39,110 long time ago. He said, man, it's not so much how it makes me 586 00:34:39,380 --> 00:34:40,540 feel. What does it mean to you 587 00:34:41,710 --> 00:34:41,980 and to me, 588 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:47,770 if that's a songwriter? Yeah, he's was it? Am I relating to 589 00:34:47,890 --> 00:34:50,920 you something in your life? And that's a songwriter. Yeah, he's 590 00:34:51,010 --> 00:34:53,650 painting a picture for him nowadays. It seems to be 591 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,450 getting lost a lot. Yeah, it is a lost art now. It's just, you 592 00:34:58,480 --> 00:34:59,950 know, let's party in the. 593 00:35:00,030 --> 00:35:02,730 Yeah, truck, and throw a chair off the roof. 594 00:35:04,710 --> 00:35:08,790 I'm an outlaw. My favorite guy, I won't mention name, but you 595 00:35:08,820 --> 00:35:10,920 know who I'm talking about. He comes out and he slings a six 596 00:35:10,980 --> 00:35:15,120 pack on stage. I'm like, okay, yeah, all right. 597 00:35:19,830 --> 00:35:25,130 Did you ever experience David's being around the record company 598 00:35:25,310 --> 00:35:28,670 execs? I mean, you know, he was on Columbia Records, you know, 599 00:35:28,820 --> 00:35:32,180 major labels, so he had to deal with those people at some level. 600 00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:36,530 Yeah, I him being such a kind of an anti-establishment kind of 601 00:35:36,620 --> 00:35:39,380 guy. Yeah, I would be kind of surprised how 602 00:35:40,460 --> 00:35:43,870 did he deal with the suits? Well, have you ever heard the 603 00:35:43,870 --> 00:35:46,750 famous story about what he did when he was meeting with them? 604 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,230 No, I have not. Yeah, standing up on the table. Yeah, I've 605 00:35:50,290 --> 00:35:53,260 heard it. No, I don't know if I can talk about that. Well, we 606 00:35:53,380 --> 00:35:57,400 could probably clean it up a little. Well, when you get a 607 00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,800 bunch of record executives and you're all in a meeting 608 00:36:00,970 --> 00:36:03,510 and you stand up and jump up on top of this table, and 609 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:07,290 that's how he dealt with them. 610 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:09,510 He said, "You better not leave me. 611 00:36:10,620 --> 00:36:13,380 I guess they left him waiting, didn't they? And he let him 612 00:36:13,470 --> 00:36:15,870 know, and he said, "Next time y'all make me wait. 613 00:36:17,790 --> 00:36:23,060 Yeah, he did that in Wichita, no, no, Wichita, somewhere up in 614 00:36:23,180 --> 00:36:26,030 Canada. It was Newton, I thought, was Nebraska, maybe it 615 00:36:26,060 --> 00:36:29,450 wasn't a corn, whichever one was the corn. Yes, that's Nebraska, 616 00:36:30,050 --> 00:36:31,910 looking out the window. It was supposed to be a family show, 617 00:36:32,210 --> 00:36:35,780 yeah, one of those old Opry houses. Yeah, yeah, 618 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,450 Mickey says in the book, 619 00:36:42,010 --> 00:36:44,560 wailing, you know, instrumental opening up for him, right? 620 00:36:45,610 --> 00:36:49,540 So we're about, you know, maybe 30 seconds into the song crowds, 621 00:36:49,570 --> 00:36:49,720 you know. 622 00:36:50,860 --> 00:36:51,700 Here comes David. 623 00:36:52,780 --> 00:36:55,720 Well, he had just bought a new nudie suit, yeah, pink, 624 00:36:57,580 --> 00:36:58,510 he had a pink hat on, 625 00:36:59,740 --> 00:37:02,070 pink boots, and a pink nudie suit. 626 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:04,170 I'm sitting there like, 627 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:10,200 did he have the wig on? No, that was before the wig, and he comes 628 00:37:10,500 --> 00:37:13,320 out, and you know, you got these people down here, then you got 629 00:37:13,350 --> 00:37:14,190 those people up there, 630 00:37:15,240 --> 00:37:15,660 and he comes. 631 00:37:17,730 --> 00:37:18,900 I'll clean it up best I can, 632 00:37:20,490 --> 00:37:23,600 but he comes out and he comes, his, you know, and useless puts 633 00:37:23,630 --> 00:37:28,430 his guitar on him, and he goes, I'm David Allen Cove, and this 634 00:37:29,210 --> 00:37:33,500 is my, oh Lord, and flash bugs, just I wrote in the book, 635 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,470 there's probably people now up in Nebraska, these little 636 00:37:36,530 --> 00:37:39,230 country houses, and they got guest over, and they got his 637 00:37:39,350 --> 00:37:43,210 picture of that up on their wall. I took a picture of David 638 00:37:43,300 --> 00:37:43,480 Elling. 639 00:37:44,530 --> 00:37:49,240 Well, you also had his story too about the Loretta Lynn tour bus. 640 00:37:49,990 --> 00:37:53,140 The tour busses would come on their tours to tour the Country 641 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,290 Star zones, and you guys, I think, were on it once. 642 00:37:57,670 --> 00:37:58,120 One, yeah. We, 643 00:37:59,230 --> 00:37:59,260 we, 644 00:38:00,340 --> 00:38:03,090 when David, we were off for a couple of weeks, and Warren and 645 00:38:03,180 --> 00:38:06,660 I, David called us, he'd just gotten off parole, so he could 646 00:38:06,690 --> 00:38:10,470 go overseas, so they'd booked us a tour on, uh, Sweden, 647 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,790 Stockholm, France, Spain, wherever, in London, England, 648 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:18,690 all over, but, uh, so he flew us in, and that's when she told me, 649 00:38:19,290 --> 00:38:22,010 you know, I said, Where are you living now? She goes, he bought 650 00:38:22,100 --> 00:38:22,520 a cave, 651 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,410 so beautiful Ruskin cave, Ruskin Cave. Oh, Dixon, Tennessee. 652 00:38:28,490 --> 00:38:31,400 They was, they didn't know what was going on. Town folk would go 653 00:38:31,490 --> 00:38:33,380 into town to the downer to eat, and they'd kind of, 654 00:38:35,900 --> 00:38:39,680 but yeah, we flew over and did that. But hell, I forgot what I 655 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,950 was talking about. Well, we were talking about 656 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:47,020 it, was about the tour bus. Oh yeah, because they would go, 657 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,650 they would take them out to Loretta Lynn's dude ranch, and 658 00:38:50,740 --> 00:38:53,470 then come by. Yeah, we were on the schedule, and we got 659 00:38:53,530 --> 00:38:57,280 notified. So the first day the tour bus came, you know, and 660 00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:01,020 it's got a lot of older people like us on it. Yeah, so we're 661 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:05,220 out there, and in the outlaws picked that day we had an 662 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:09,210 Olympic swimming pool. When you're coming in on the drive, 663 00:39:09,630 --> 00:39:12,600 the swimming pool is on the left, so the bus is coming up, 664 00:39:12,690 --> 00:39:14,550 and all the outlaws are out there with the old ladies, 665 00:39:14,580 --> 00:39:18,120 skinny, skinny dipping in the pool, but there were a lot of 666 00:39:18,150 --> 00:39:20,790 flashbacks. The bus comes by, and the flashbuck is going off, 667 00:39:22,050 --> 00:39:24,530 and the next day, we were notified we were no longer on 668 00:39:24,620 --> 00:39:24,770 the tour, 669 00:39:26,390 --> 00:39:28,370 but you know, I was really blown away that 670 00:39:29,570 --> 00:39:32,660 a few years before she died, Loretta Lynn suggested that 671 00:39:32,780 --> 00:39:35,690 David should be put in the country Museum Hall of Fame, 672 00:39:35,930 --> 00:39:38,990 should be, but you know, as well as I did, it ain't gonna happen, 673 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:41,320 it's a shame, because 674 00:39:42,340 --> 00:39:45,700 just look at the magnitude of all those songs he wrote. Oh 675 00:39:45,850 --> 00:39:49,600 man, I mean, that's a lot of them, but he did write. I did 676 00:39:49,660 --> 00:39:52,180 bust him one day. We were at the house in the Keys at Big in 677 00:39:52,390 --> 00:39:58,000 Marathon, in Big Pine Key, and him and Sherry and Mimi and 678 00:39:58,030 --> 00:39:59,950 Grandma, she made the food and. 679 00:40:00,030 --> 00:40:01,650 Ring the bell to let us know. Go eat, 680 00:40:05,610 --> 00:40:06,720 and we were there, and 681 00:40:08,130 --> 00:40:09,390 it just.. I don't know, 682 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,890 you have to really know him to know how to understand where 683 00:40:13,950 --> 00:40:15,870 he's coming from and where he wants to go, 684 00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,130 and we had a lot of discussions. Sometimes we'd end up cussing 685 00:40:20,250 --> 00:40:20,960 each other out, 686 00:40:22,370 --> 00:40:25,610 you know, David. What the whole down the road crew quit last 687 00:40:25,700 --> 00:40:26,960 night because you're a butt. 688 00:40:29,090 --> 00:40:30,860 Screw you, Hayes, screw you back. 689 00:40:33,350 --> 00:40:36,560 That's kind of relationship we had. Yeah, love one day, hate 690 00:40:36,590 --> 00:40:38,900 the hell out of you the next day, you know. Well, he had to 691 00:40:38,930 --> 00:40:40,010 be kind of tough to 692 00:40:41,540 --> 00:40:45,490 work with, he had a tough skin layer, and once you got to know 693 00:40:45,610 --> 00:40:48,610 him, let's see, we were right around for several months, when, 694 00:40:48,730 --> 00:40:49,900 when they got me down there, 695 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,740 him and I would just go out on the limo, of course, he would 696 00:40:53,770 --> 00:40:56,560 drive, he wouldn't let me drive, 697 00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:01,380 and we go out and do acoustic shows, yeah, and I'd just play 698 00:41:01,470 --> 00:41:04,350 acoustic with him and sing harmony, you know, I'm just, you 699 00:41:04,380 --> 00:41:07,560 know, and we just be two of us riding around on the limo. 700 00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:12,810 He wrote, he wrote, we were in Canada, man, he, and he things I 701 00:41:12,900 --> 00:41:15,660 noticed about him, how he writes, and we were passing this 702 00:41:15,780 --> 00:41:17,730 big sign said, "Drink Canada Dry. 703 00:41:19,230 --> 00:41:21,980 He says, "Drive. I'm like, "What? He said, "I want you to 704 00:41:22,010 --> 00:41:25,670 drive. I'm gonna write a song. I said, okay. He started writing, 705 00:41:26,060 --> 00:41:29,540 I drink Canada Dry. Yeah, I remember the song. 706 00:41:33,650 --> 00:41:36,980 He has a great song with you, riding down the highway, and as 707 00:41:36,980 --> 00:41:39,440 a song, that's what I liked about him too. When he would 708 00:41:39,590 --> 00:41:42,670 write, they said he just kind of went into, uh, you did mess 709 00:41:42,820 --> 00:41:45,640 with, yeah, you don't even paper, yeah, leave him alone, 710 00:41:45,820 --> 00:41:46,150 yes, yeah, 711 00:41:47,260 --> 00:41:47,470 but 712 00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,960 you just think of all those albums, and he wrote all that, 713 00:41:53,290 --> 00:41:57,100 oh yeah, he did, I mean, Buzz helped him, no Buzz, 714 00:41:58,210 --> 00:42:02,580 oh Buzz Cason, yeah, him Buzz Raven, Buzz Raven, yeah, Buzz 715 00:42:02,670 --> 00:42:05,670 Raven, and he hung out at Ruskin Cave with us 716 00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:08,250 for the short two weeks I stayed there. 717 00:42:09,750 --> 00:42:13,080 You got seven people in the band, six guys on the road crew, 718 00:42:14,460 --> 00:42:18,150 and hangers on, and we had an old two-story Civil War house, 719 00:42:18,540 --> 00:42:24,320 no insulation, one old bathroom, one decrepit kitchen, and y'all 720 00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:25,460 can stay in that house. 721 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,780 Thanks for nothing. Well, I like this story in your book too, 722 00:42:32,930 --> 00:42:35,810 about when you first got Ruskin Cave, and they were doing all of 723 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,470 this, oh Lord, maintenance work, and Mickey decides to go up to, 724 00:42:39,950 --> 00:42:42,250 uh, oh yeah, well, he wanted us to go out. 725 00:42:46,870 --> 00:42:51,790 He had this one really big building, had 234, floors on it. 726 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,000 He wanted to make it into a million dollar muse, David Allen 727 00:42:55,090 --> 00:42:59,830 Cole, million dollar David. So he said, I want y'all to go out 728 00:42:59,980 --> 00:43:04,080 and scout for arrowheads and old Indian artifacts on the grounds, 729 00:43:04,710 --> 00:43:05,100 I'm thinking, 730 00:43:08,340 --> 00:43:13,140 so I took one play bass, yeah, he bought these two kabuki golf 731 00:43:13,260 --> 00:43:16,710 carts, or whatever, yeah, but he took and put Warren and the rest 732 00:43:16,710 --> 00:43:19,110 of the guys in that, and I said I'll drive this one, and they 733 00:43:19,260 --> 00:43:20,480 took off, and I went the other way, 734 00:43:21,710 --> 00:43:24,260 and there was a ridge right above the old the rock house. 735 00:43:24,410 --> 00:43:27,140 Yes, there was a ridge back behind it. So I went up there 736 00:43:27,140 --> 00:43:29,600 and played Johnny Appleseed, except they want apple seed 737 00:43:33,020 --> 00:43:35,660 when I come. We came back off tour, and I got these six foot 738 00:43:35,750 --> 00:43:36,350 plants over 739 00:43:42,410 --> 00:43:45,040 Dave. Oh. I remember too that that that 740 00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:46,360 was 741 00:43:47,470 --> 00:43:51,490 fact I saw him right after it happened was when the flood hit, 742 00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,240 think it was an 84 yeah, because right around the time Mona Lisa 743 00:43:55,330 --> 00:43:59,500 Lost Her Smile came out, oh yeah, and great song, I saw him 744 00:43:59,740 --> 00:44:02,910 because I just moved back to Nashville. He was not. He was 745 00:44:02,970 --> 00:44:04,380 always nice to me. I mean, he saw 746 00:44:05,610 --> 00:44:07,980 us, you know, over in the corner, and he recognized he 747 00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,770 came over, and I could tell he wasn't in a great mood. And I 748 00:44:10,890 --> 00:44:12,780 said, "What's going? I said, "You should be really happy. 749 00:44:13,140 --> 00:44:16,140 This record's gonna do well. It's gonna be huge. He goes, "Oh 750 00:44:17,010 --> 00:44:19,350 man. He said, "I'm just dealing with a flood. He said, "I lost 751 00:44:19,530 --> 00:44:22,700 everything. I said, well, man, surely insurance. He said I 752 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:27,140 didn't have any. I went, oh no, insurance. Yeah, he wasn't big 753 00:44:27,230 --> 00:44:30,410 on buying insurance, was he? No, he was big. He was big. 754 00:44:32,090 --> 00:44:36,020 He had money. Oh yeah, I won't get into that because I arrest, 755 00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:40,240 but he had money. I'm not. He just spent it quickly, and he 756 00:44:40,390 --> 00:44:43,810 showed me at one time, and I'm like, because he kept cash, 757 00:44:44,260 --> 00:44:47,500 yeah, that's how he dealt, yeah, that's one of the ways he tried 758 00:44:47,710 --> 00:44:49,060 to elude the IRS, 759 00:44:50,290 --> 00:44:53,230 yeah, you get cash, you know, you write a check, get back to 760 00:44:53,230 --> 00:44:54,880 you, give me cash, but, uh, 761 00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,650 he was a good guy, he just had that side to him, and you knew 762 00:44:59,890 --> 00:44:59,920 I. 763 00:45:00,060 --> 00:45:02,790 Knew when I could and when I couldn't, you know. 764 00:45:03,990 --> 00:45:06,480 Well, he marched to the beat of his own drummer, basically. But 765 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,570 he was not. I would like to cover this, because I've gotten 766 00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:13,680 this a lot from people that don't understand him. But I 767 00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:17,310 always got the, how can you like that guy? He's a racist, and I 768 00:45:17,490 --> 00:45:17,940 said, man, 769 00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,550 not that I know him, but I've met him, and you know, I've 770 00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,670 really gotten into his music, and I said, I don't see the guy 771 00:45:26,150 --> 00:45:29,090 that could be racist that writes a line like, you know, 772 00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:35,090 I've got black blood rolling through my veins, and black 773 00:45:35,180 --> 00:45:36,380 blood you can't control, 774 00:45:37,430 --> 00:45:39,890 and that, and plus, with the music that he, 775 00:45:41,180 --> 00:45:44,500 you know, was inspired by it, was all inspired by black 776 00:45:44,860 --> 00:45:49,810 people. Yeah, we do sometimes we wouldn't open with that. Willie 777 00:45:49,870 --> 00:45:53,560 Weller to me was usually our standard opener, but sometimes 778 00:45:53,650 --> 00:45:57,010 he'd go back to that and we'd come out and just do like 20 779 00:45:57,100 --> 00:46:00,630 minutes of nothing but blues. Yeah, I mean, and it was good, 780 00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:03,660 it was good blues, yeah, because he can weigh all this, yeah, he 781 00:46:03,750 --> 00:46:06,570 can feel it, he can feel he's got it, man, he's got that 782 00:46:06,660 --> 00:46:09,660 feeling, yeah, and we just 20 minutes, and I'm like, oh yeah, 783 00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,650 because it was, he's getting into it, so that means you're 784 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,520 getting into it, you know, and you feel it instead of just 785 00:46:17,610 --> 00:46:20,900 playing it well, and that's why I liked when I first saw it, 786 00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:24,290 well, when I saw you guys together in Birmingham, that 787 00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:28,790 whole show blew me away, because it was David's stuff. He did 788 00:46:29,210 --> 00:46:29,870 Allman Brothers, 789 00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:35,840 he did blues, he did rhythm and blues. Yeah, I mean, I was like, 790 00:46:35,900 --> 00:46:39,080 these guys are playing everything, playing my girl, I 791 00:46:39,170 --> 00:46:43,990 mean, it, you got a yeah, and that the one we did on Austin 792 00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:48,010 City Limits, man, that was good. That was because I changed it. I 793 00:46:48,100 --> 00:46:52,150 didn't do James Jameson's party at all. I stayed completely. 794 00:46:52,270 --> 00:46:54,730 He's like an old black guy I used to play with. He built 795 00:46:54,730 --> 00:46:57,730 himself his 500 pound of blues. Yeah, I was the white boy in the 796 00:46:57,730 --> 00:47:01,020 band. I was playing all those metal buildings, you know, yeah, 797 00:47:01,710 --> 00:47:04,020 I'd be the little white boy and little girls on the front, and 798 00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:05,880 the black girls like, oh, look at that white boy, he's cute, 799 00:47:07,590 --> 00:47:10,920 scared the hell out of me, but you know, he started doing that, 800 00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:12,990 and I'm like, going back to what I used to do, you know, yeah, 801 00:47:13,350 --> 00:47:16,620 because we play hardcore blues, and I'm like, yeah, I know that 802 00:47:16,770 --> 00:47:19,620 stuff, he'd tell me, man, you know, I played blues, I said, 803 00:47:19,860 --> 00:47:19,920 yeah, 804 00:47:20,940 --> 00:47:24,710 well, that had to be what drew him to Warren as well. Yeah, 805 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,100 Warren Hayes, a lot of you are, you know, you know him from 806 00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:32,360 Government Mule, but and Almond Brothers, but he got to start 807 00:47:32,420 --> 00:47:34,640 with David, and thanks to Mickey. 808 00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:38,000 Yeah, I still have old blackmail pictures of Warren. 809 00:47:41,030 --> 00:47:42,250 So, Warren, if you're watching, 810 00:47:43,810 --> 00:47:46,720 Warren's a good guy. He's got a good heart. He's built a lot. He 811 00:47:46,810 --> 00:47:51,250 works with a Habitat for Humanity. Yes, and he's built - 812 00:47:51,370 --> 00:47:54,070 they've got a whole community over there, and they renamed it 813 00:47:54,070 --> 00:47:57,190 Warren Haynes Boulevard in Asheville, and there's like 4550 814 00:47:57,850 --> 00:48:01,800 houses there. Wow, contributed to him doing the Christmas jam 815 00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,020 every year. Yeah, we started that one in 816 00:48:05,670 --> 00:48:09,000 Tony Kiss was a local newspaper guy, did the entertainment for 817 00:48:09,450 --> 00:48:12,870 Asheville Citizen Times, and we always laugh at it because 818 00:48:13,140 --> 00:48:18,480 Warren put it out. It started in 89 it started in 88 Yeah, but 819 00:48:19,290 --> 00:48:22,040 the place called 45 Cherry, Asheville, Northern, we did it 820 00:48:22,130 --> 00:48:24,170 first one for the veterans, 821 00:48:25,220 --> 00:48:27,530 and then it just progressed and kept progressing. Then we moved 822 00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:31,160 to a bigger one, went over to a bigger slot, and we got Derek in 823 00:48:31,220 --> 00:48:34,970 there and Susan in there, and and then it went from 824 00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:39,080 be here now, which was a larger venue, over to the civic center. 825 00:48:39,350 --> 00:48:42,490 So he does a civic center every year now it raises, 826 00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:45,130 he raises several $100,000 827 00:48:46,180 --> 00:48:49,330 every year for Habitat, you know, and yeah, that's gone two 828 00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:50,320 or three, four houses, 829 00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,640 good for him, great thing, you know, yeah, and they renamed, 830 00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:59,080 they have a Warren Haynes day, really gave me Keechin City, 831 00:48:59,380 --> 00:49:04,500 wow, I neglected to tell him, I said, 'Call me. We still had the 832 00:49:04,500 --> 00:49:04,710 house 833 00:49:05,790 --> 00:49:08,280 in Nashville, and he called me. 834 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,810 Well, I saw him. Yeah, we.. I'll start it off. We drove this old 835 00:49:12,930 --> 00:49:16,260 1953 Plymouth, broke down, that's all we had to drive. He 836 00:49:16,380 --> 00:49:19,980 wouldn't drive, I had to drive. He never drove. So one day he 837 00:49:20,070 --> 00:49:23,270 comes home after Garth cut the song, and Warren comes home. 838 00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,980 We got to go to Asheville for the jam. I said, "Okay, I go 839 00:49:28,130 --> 00:49:30,470 check on the car. He said, "No, I'm gonna rent a car. I said, 840 00:49:30,770 --> 00:49:34,490 "Oh, okay. So, what does he do? We go to rental place. He picks 841 00:49:34,610 --> 00:49:38,690 out the biggest Lincoln he could find, White, and I drove all the 842 00:49:38,750 --> 00:49:41,200 way to Asheville. Right before I got to Asheville, he said, 'Pull 843 00:49:41,350 --> 00:49:41,470 over. 844 00:49:42,610 --> 00:49:45,400 I said, 'Okay. So I found a little service station, pulled 845 00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:46,540 in, said, 'I'm gonna drive 846 00:49:48,580 --> 00:49:52,960 what you. So I let him drive to Lincoln, big long stretch. 847 00:49:53,140 --> 00:49:56,290 Lincoln, what does he do? He pulls into the main street of 848 00:49:56,470 --> 00:49:59,950 Asheville, rolls his window down, and everybody we pass. 849 00:50:00,030 --> 00:50:00,660 Spot on the street, 850 00:50:05,580 --> 00:50:08,910 you made it, Warren. Yeah, but later that night he called me 851 00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,870 the next day, where he had to go back to Nashville. He calls me 852 00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,500 the next day, and it's in the paper. He got pulled for pot. 853 00:50:17,940 --> 00:50:21,770 Oh man, I said, he said I told him who it was. I played with 854 00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,530 Almond Brothers. I see you told them you played with Almond. 855 00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:25,790 Yeah, there 856 00:50:27,950 --> 00:50:29,330 it is in the paper. Yeah, 857 00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:35,030 man, you got pulled over for pot. Yeah, Warren, you may want 858 00:50:35,030 --> 00:50:38,150 to, you may want to keep that out of the car at certain times. 859 00:50:39,770 --> 00:50:42,550 Yeah, he's a good guy, man. I enjoyed playing with we when we 860 00:50:42,700 --> 00:50:44,020 first quit David, 861 00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:49,390 and we got that house over in Antioch, and we were playing all 862 00:50:49,420 --> 00:50:52,270 these little dives over by the Vanderbilt, 863 00:50:53,530 --> 00:50:55,810 and you know, just playing little pizza joints, a little 864 00:50:55,900 --> 00:50:58,750 pizza joint that used to be across the street from that exit 865 00:50:58,870 --> 00:51:01,500 end. Yeah, that old.. I remember, though, if it's still 866 00:51:01,590 --> 00:51:02,730 there, but there's a little pizza, Sam 867 00:51:03,810 --> 00:51:05,640 Bush, and all them boys be there, and 868 00:51:08,310 --> 00:51:11,610 Billy Joe's boy, what a guitar player, boy, he was Eddie, 869 00:51:12,690 --> 00:51:15,840 Eddie was something, he was, but we'd all go over there and play, 870 00:51:15,990 --> 00:51:16,770 you know, for pizza, 871 00:51:18,510 --> 00:51:19,530 that was some good, see, 872 00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,930 I don't really, Nashville has changed too much for me. It's 873 00:51:24,020 --> 00:51:27,650 not what it used to be. Sure, it's back in those days, man. It 874 00:51:27,710 --> 00:51:32,240 was so cool, especially Elliston Place. That was, oh yeah, yeah, 875 00:51:32,420 --> 00:51:35,120 the Rock Block, what they call him. What was that? What was 876 00:51:35,150 --> 00:51:36,740 that music store over there? 877 00:51:37,790 --> 00:51:39,290 What was that, Corner Music? Corner Muse, 878 00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:44,080 I can't even remember now, I don't think so. I used to go 879 00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,680 there and do my business. I like them, but yeah, in the comedy 880 00:51:47,830 --> 00:51:49,630 club I used to go over there on 881 00:51:51,430 --> 00:51:53,290 Zanies. Yeah, Zanies, yeah, yeah, because I saw 882 00:51:54,730 --> 00:51:57,220 when a guy named Carson Chamberlain, and he's the 883 00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:01,140 producer in town now, I guess. I didn't know that Andy Buckner is 884 00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,590 a friend of mine, and he's producing Andy Buckner, but, uh, 885 00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:09,420 Carson was my steel guitar player and Leon Everett band, so 886 00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,150 yeah, many nights on the bus in the back, you know, talking, 887 00:52:12,570 --> 00:52:15,240 he's the one that turned me on the Keefe, actually, he had a 888 00:52:15,270 --> 00:52:18,030 demo Whitley, yeah, he had a demo tape, and he said, man, you 889 00:52:18,060 --> 00:52:21,560 got to listen to Scott sing, and I'm like, okay, he put that on. 890 00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:21,980 I'm like, 891 00:52:23,900 --> 00:52:26,150 damn, that got his voice. 892 00:52:27,530 --> 00:52:29,840 That's what Billy Sherrill told me one time. I asked, we were 893 00:52:29,930 --> 00:52:32,930 talking, I said, why did you, when you found David, why did 894 00:52:32,990 --> 00:52:35,210 you sign him? Is it because of his voice? 895 00:52:36,410 --> 00:52:40,040 Yeah, David had a great voice, and women love it. Oh man, they 896 00:52:40,220 --> 00:52:42,910 did. I've never met a woman who didn't love his voice. They 897 00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:44,710 might hate his guts. Oh, yeah, 898 00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:49,870 that's how he got all those wives. 899 00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:53,080 That was bad when he was Mormon. 900 00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:00,150 Ask me about the pirate getting stuck out on the waves and 901 00:53:00,270 --> 00:53:01,410 sinking on the 50 foot, 902 00:53:02,790 --> 00:53:05,520 oh, that's right, yeah, the Coast Guard came out and they 903 00:53:05,610 --> 00:53:08,280 brought this boat out, they had a crane on it, yeah, 904 00:53:10,020 --> 00:53:10,680 no insurance, 905 00:53:11,820 --> 00:53:15,810 no insurance again, 50 foot, we had just refitted it, I did the 906 00:53:15,900 --> 00:53:19,260 whole wheelhouse and teak wood and rubbed it down, we bought 907 00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:20,400 all brand new Loran 908 00:53:21,570 --> 00:53:23,960 Sea Farron Cibarand Electronics, and 909 00:53:25,910 --> 00:53:26,930 the biggest thing, though, is 910 00:53:28,250 --> 00:53:30,200 on the back it was an open spot, 911 00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:32,960 and he had us build, 912 00:53:34,100 --> 00:53:37,520 you remember the old Cleopatra movies? Oh yeah, her bedroom, oh 913 00:53:37,700 --> 00:53:41,350 yeah, Cheer Kirk, oh yeah, that's what we build on the back 914 00:53:41,500 --> 00:53:44,260 of the boat. I'm saying, well, the first down big wave comes 915 00:53:44,350 --> 00:53:45,070 by, that thing's gone. 916 00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:48,850 Took it out, had 917 00:53:49,900 --> 00:53:53,260 an actor, I forgot his name now, Jan Michael Vincent, Jan Michael 918 00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:54,790 Vincent took it out, 919 00:53:56,200 --> 00:54:01,110 and as we later found out, clearing the until we got into 920 00:54:01,170 --> 00:54:03,930 the channel, and the channel also has got all that hard coral 921 00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,630 in it, because big boats can't come through there, and 922 00:54:08,430 --> 00:54:11,910 useless runs up, had two twin three eight teams in the motor, 923 00:54:12,090 --> 00:54:16,590 on under, under, under, and useless comes up, David 924 00:54:16,950 --> 00:54:18,690 Wheelhouse is half full water, 925 00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:20,720 like, oh, okay, 926 00:54:21,860 --> 00:54:25,610 it hit one of those coral reefs, and it broke the beam, and it 927 00:54:25,610 --> 00:54:29,630 was leaking bad. So they radioed, Coast Guard came out 928 00:54:29,630 --> 00:54:32,990 and rescued everybody, and when they put the crane on 929 00:54:34,010 --> 00:54:35,030 it, it broke. Wow. 930 00:54:36,260 --> 00:54:40,100 And then when they got it back to the shipyards down there, we 931 00:54:40,250 --> 00:54:43,630 still had pirates, yeah. It won't, nothing. They stripped 932 00:54:43,780 --> 00:54:46,960 it. It won't nothing left on that boat. So that was the end 933 00:54:46,990 --> 00:54:47,410 of that. 934 00:54:49,540 --> 00:54:50,620 Well, and to you guys, 935 00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,580 you know, the because David was a member of the Outlaws, the 936 00:54:54,730 --> 00:54:55,840 Outlaws Motorcycle Corps, 937 00:54:56,980 --> 00:54:59,830 and I always remember this story you told. 938 00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,750 About when they didn't know who you were, they thought you were, 939 00:55:04,380 --> 00:55:08,250 then they think you were worried a critic or something, that it, 940 00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:12,060 yeah, they well, we did that show in Florida, and that was my 941 00:55:12,180 --> 00:55:13,020 first show playing, 942 00:55:14,190 --> 00:55:16,470 so I came back and I was laughing because I was driving 943 00:55:16,470 --> 00:55:20,480 the damn tour bamboo, so I was the last one, and it's old 944 00:55:20,510 --> 00:55:23,420 Holiday Inn, you know, three floors and all the doors are on 945 00:55:23,450 --> 00:55:24,200 the outside, yeah. 946 00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:28,160 So I didn't have a gig jacket because I was new, I just had my 947 00:55:28,220 --> 00:55:28,790 street clothes 948 00:55:30,110 --> 00:55:32,900 and suitcase, and I was got up the third floor and I was 949 00:55:32,930 --> 00:55:36,560 walking down the highway, and I noticed it was like five or six 950 00:55:36,650 --> 00:55:40,310 or seven, a bunch of outlaws out on that was before they outlawed 951 00:55:40,430 --> 00:55:44,140 the dummy dust, so they were all having a good time. Yeah, and 952 00:55:44,590 --> 00:55:45,550 they saw me coming, 953 00:55:46,630 --> 00:55:49,120 and I got up on mr. Will, you, what do you think you're doing 954 00:55:49,150 --> 00:55:50,080 here? And they grabbed me, 955 00:55:51,910 --> 00:55:55,240 and they hung me over the railing by my ankles. Oh man, 956 00:55:55,390 --> 00:55:57,880 yeah, I'm staring down at asphalt three fours 957 00:55:58,990 --> 00:56:03,330 down, and I hear this big voice, let him go. I'm thinking, don't, 958 00:56:03,330 --> 00:56:03,900 don't let me go. 959 00:56:06,690 --> 00:56:10,920 Hang on tight. He follows that he's in the band. They pull me 960 00:56:11,070 --> 00:56:16,200 back in, and I think I'm safe. Yeah, no, no, I gotta go to 961 00:56:16,260 --> 00:56:19,290 their room. Oh, and do what they're doing. Oh 962 00:56:20,850 --> 00:56:25,250 no, oh, did I.. well, it got so bad. I got up the next morning, 963 00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:27,830 I had to have Big Al. He's only like five foot five. 964 00:56:28,970 --> 00:56:29,900 We called him Big Al. 965 00:56:31,580 --> 00:56:34,670 I said, 'Man, my whole face is frozen on the right side. I 966 00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:38,840 can't griddle, you know. So he takes me to the emergency room 967 00:56:38,900 --> 00:56:40,690 and wrote a song about that one too, 968 00:56:42,250 --> 00:56:44,860 he takes me to the emergency room, and yeah, this whole 969 00:56:45,010 --> 00:56:48,010 side's gone. Yeah, and the doctors at me say, "What were 970 00:56:48,100 --> 00:56:50,260 you doing last night? I said, "Well, we were partying. He 971 00:56:50,380 --> 00:56:53,920 said, "With what? Now, I told him, and I did my share in 972 00:56:53,980 --> 00:56:57,400 somebody else's. Yeah, he said, "Well, you got it's short term, 973 00:56:57,430 --> 00:57:00,930 it'll be okay in a week, you know. But for that whole damn 974 00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:04,410 seven days, everybody in the band decided, well, man, can't 975 00:57:04,710 --> 00:57:06,000 you chew your fruit? What's that? 976 00:57:08,370 --> 00:57:09,720 So I got that for the whole week. Yeah, 977 00:57:10,740 --> 00:57:11,400 got that. But yeah, 978 00:57:12,930 --> 00:57:15,360 they hung me over, man. Scared the hell out of me. Oh, I bet 979 00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:18,360 I'm sitting there looking at them, and I knew they would do 980 00:57:18,750 --> 00:57:21,860 it. Yeah, that was the scary part. But thank God David saved 981 00:57:21,890 --> 00:57:21,920 me. 982 00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:31,340 Yeah, but I mean, that's like it got to be like that's what I 983 00:57:31,460 --> 00:57:32,270 expected. Yeah, 984 00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,590 I'm like I'm here, I'm not going anywhere, so I gotta get used to 985 00:57:36,620 --> 00:57:40,190 this. Yeah, I've had the picture of us doing the show at Ruskin 986 00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:44,380 Cave. Yeah, we had a big party after that evening. Daughter 987 00:57:44,650 --> 00:57:47,950 saved me. He was a road manager, also, but he's a fellow MC 988 00:57:48,460 --> 00:57:49,600 outlaw. But one 989 00:57:50,890 --> 00:57:53,770 of them had done too much of that dummy dust, yeah, not 990 00:57:53,830 --> 00:57:56,560 cocaine, but he'd done other stuff. And 991 00:57:58,420 --> 00:58:00,990 when you got a pistol this far in front of you, and the guy's 992 00:58:01,110 --> 00:58:04,890 hand like this. Oh Lord, and Darty came over, and 993 00:58:06,300 --> 00:58:10,740 he took him away, and probably, yeah, took care of it. But I 994 00:58:10,890 --> 00:58:14,100 learned how not to answer, ask questions. Yeah, you don't ask. 995 00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:17,100 Just mind your business. How to ask? I asked one time, I asked a 996 00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:19,590 hot law. I said, "Well, what? What? He said, "You don't need 997 00:58:19,620 --> 00:58:23,810 to know. I'm like, why isn't you don't know, you can't testify. 998 00:58:25,790 --> 00:58:29,900 That was the world, that was the world of David Allen Co. band. 999 00:58:31,340 --> 00:58:35,150 How old were you when you started with 30? Oh, okay. So 1000 00:58:35,300 --> 00:58:37,730 you weren't like some young kid. No, I've been on the road, yeah, 1001 00:58:38,030 --> 00:58:38,900 since I was 1514, 1002 00:58:39,950 --> 00:58:43,390 Okay, yeah, so, but I never experienced 1003 00:58:44,710 --> 00:58:47,560 that level of insanity. 1004 00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:53,080 I mean, insanity, but still there was a motive, 1005 00:58:54,190 --> 00:58:57,610 that's what I dug about it. He was fucking act like a craziest 1006 00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:01,620 person you ever met, but he had a purpose, he knew what he was 1007 00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:02,670 doing, you know. 1008 00:59:04,470 --> 00:59:07,380 You got to give it to him. He stood up and did his thing, and 1009 00:59:07,380 --> 00:59:10,440 he pulled it off, and he pulled it off. Yeah, he's a legend, you 1010 00:59:10,470 --> 00:59:13,440 know. Whether you want to admit it or not, he look at who else 1011 00:59:13,500 --> 00:59:13,920 has wrote 1012 00:59:15,210 --> 00:59:18,780 a volume of songs like that. None that I know, a few, very 1013 00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:23,660 few, and songs that will stand the test of time. Well, yeah, I 1014 00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:25,910 mean, they'll be singing "Would You Lay with Me" to feel the 1015 00:59:25,910 --> 00:59:26,570 stone, for 1016 00:59:27,710 --> 00:59:29,990 they might not be doing Little Susie. 1017 00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:31,430 Well, yeah, 1018 00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:37,850 but the rod, Gary. Oh, yeah, I told I was telling John, 1019 00:59:38,870 --> 00:59:42,190 I told Gary, I said, "Man, I just want to, because Gary kept 1020 00:59:42,490 --> 00:59:45,100 calling me, thanking us for cutting the ride, and I said, 1021 00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:48,280 "No, man, thank you. He said, "Why you thinking me? I said, 1022 00:59:48,340 --> 00:59:51,670 "Because when that ride came out, my level of traveling on 1023 00:59:51,730 --> 00:59:53,020 the road got a lot easier. 1024 00:59:54,850 --> 00:59:56,410 No more hamburgers at Crystal, 1025 00:59:57,880 --> 00:59:59,500 except for one time in Oklahoma. 1026 01:00:00,630 --> 01:00:03,600 Five straight days of nothing but Kentucky Friday. Oh 1027 01:00:05,310 --> 01:00:08,370 Lord, we had good, we had a good time, man. And I just kept 1028 01:00:08,370 --> 01:00:10,350 telling the stories like I'm doing now, and everybody just 1029 01:00:10,410 --> 01:00:12,870 kept pushing me to write a book. So I finally, it took four 1030 01:00:14,310 --> 01:00:17,940 years. Luckily, I had partial diaries, you know, because I 1031 01:00:18,030 --> 01:00:22,520 wanted it to be honest, and it took me two months after I got 1032 01:00:22,550 --> 01:00:26,480 it finally finished, and the editor had it. I wrote all of 1033 01:00:26,510 --> 01:00:29,360 that. None of it was written. That's why I was probably got 1034 01:00:29,450 --> 01:00:33,800 some grammatical errors, but I was always good in English, and 1035 01:00:35,270 --> 01:00:37,340 you know, I'd get up. You know, you have to do an essay on 1036 01:00:37,430 --> 01:00:40,220 Fridays, and everybody write their little thing, a couple of 1037 01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:43,300 sheets, whatever. I never thought about it, and she called 1038 01:00:43,330 --> 01:00:45,610 my name. I just go up on the way up, I'd make something up. 1039 01:00:49,030 --> 01:00:51,970 You could do so much better. I'm like, I'm making A's, yeah, but 1040 01:00:52,030 --> 01:00:52,330 you could be 1041 01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:55,750 okay. But I've had, 1042 01:00:57,130 --> 01:01:00,510 I interpret how I lived, what I've been through, people I've 1043 01:01:00,630 --> 01:01:05,370 met, I write songs about women, of course. Well, yeah, got 15 1044 01:01:05,490 --> 01:01:06,240 ex-wives, and 1045 01:01:08,460 --> 01:01:08,940 only got 215 1046 01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:12,180 between you and me. There you go, 1047 01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:18,390 yeah. I just write what I lived. I learned that from David, you 1048 01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:21,140 know, and watching some of these other old guys, artists that 1049 01:01:21,230 --> 01:01:23,900 write their own songs, you know, and I appreciate a good 1050 01:01:24,050 --> 01:01:27,740 songwriter that gets up there and sings his song, and he's 1051 01:01:27,980 --> 01:01:31,430 singing it from something he's lived that way. I can look at 1052 01:01:31,430 --> 01:01:34,340 him, go, yeah, I've been there, you know, and that means a lot 1053 01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:36,800 to me. Yeah, I mean, you know, Haggard was that way, yeah, it 1054 01:01:36,830 --> 01:01:40,040 was, you know, Waylon, yeah, all those guys. I still love the 1055 01:01:40,130 --> 01:01:42,940 Billy Joe shows he was gonna Waylon's butt. Oh, that was a 1056 01:01:43,090 --> 01:01:47,560 great story. And Waylon, Waylon was promised Billy Joe he was 1057 01:01:47,590 --> 01:01:51,070 gonna do an entire album of his song when they were in Texas. 1058 01:01:51,250 --> 01:01:54,460 Yeah, when they were in Texas, then I guess Waylon didn't get 1059 01:01:54,580 --> 01:01:57,610 around to it fast enough. So Billy Joe shows up in Nashville. 1060 01:01:57,670 --> 01:02:00,390 Well, he was there while he was cutting, and what he didn't do 1061 01:02:00,540 --> 01:02:04,140 any Billy Joe songs, so he was getting Whadlands, getting ready 1062 01:02:04,140 --> 01:02:07,050 to leave, and Billy Joe bought him. See, 1063 01:02:08,130 --> 01:02:12,450 the horse, Hoss, you promised me you're gonna cut my songs, and 1064 01:02:12,510 --> 01:02:14,820 you ain't getting out of here without me, and you going for 1065 01:02:14,820 --> 01:02:17,700 it, unless you cut some. I'm gonna whip your ass right here 1066 01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:20,520 in front of everybody, and thank you. That's what honky tonk 1067 01:02:20,670 --> 01:02:23,150 hears came the whole album. Yeah, it was, yeah, because 1068 01:02:23,270 --> 01:02:25,400 Waylon said, I'm gonna tell you what. He pulled him into an 1069 01:02:25,580 --> 01:02:29,990 office and said, you play me, you play me two or three songs. 1070 01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:33,200 He said, if I like them, I'll do the album. He said, if I don't, 1071 01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:36,590 you never bother me again. And 1072 01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:41,440 the story went that he played, he did three, and Waylon wanted 1073 01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:45,760 to hear more to hear more. Yeah, well, it pleases me, because 1074 01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:49,900 Waylon can.. I work with his grandson, Way, a lot now. Way's 1075 01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:54,310 a good guy. Dad was a good guy. I love Terry. Terry, I never got 1076 01:02:54,460 --> 01:02:57,010 a chance to meet Terry. Oh, it's a shame. I think you guys would 1077 01:02:57,010 --> 01:03:00,190 have gone along great. You might remember back in those days, 1078 01:03:00,550 --> 01:03:04,050 Willie's Row crew and Whalen's Row crew, they do these little 1079 01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:07,860 films on the road, and they turn them into the public TV station, 1080 01:03:08,730 --> 01:03:10,650 but little we did one, me and Warren did 1081 01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:12,630 one over at Wayland's warehouse, 1082 01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:17,310 set it up, it's everybody's addicted 1083 01:03:18,660 --> 01:03:21,980 to helium, yeah, so everybody's walking around. We went to the 1084 01:03:22,100 --> 01:03:24,860 Goodwill store and bought all these little.. I had a madras 1085 01:03:25,100 --> 01:03:28,760 jacket with striped pants, you know. We're looking, and 1086 01:03:28,790 --> 01:03:30,890 everybody's walking around with a little tank of helium, 1087 01:03:32,330 --> 01:03:35,450 and Warren's got his little cheeky little straw hat on, 1088 01:03:35,510 --> 01:03:37,880 that's got the little sun shade right. Yeah, 1089 01:03:40,670 --> 01:03:41,710 he's walking around when 1090 01:03:43,060 --> 01:03:45,880 I got that video, and that was one they would put it into the 1091 01:03:45,970 --> 01:03:49,000 local public stations, and they'd play it, you know, doing 1092 01:03:49,060 --> 01:03:52,480 crazy stuff like getting to the show, or whatever. Back then, 1093 01:03:52,510 --> 01:03:56,050 they were some good, his crew was good guys. Yeah, that I 1094 01:03:56,140 --> 01:03:58,510 still got that video. Me and Warren did the soundtrack, we 1095 01:03:58,630 --> 01:04:02,280 just went in studio on, and Lauren plays drums pretty good 1096 01:04:02,340 --> 01:04:05,190 too, so he played guitar, I played bass, and he did the 1097 01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:05,610 guitar. 1098 01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:08,940 Wow, 1099 01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:11,310 but, uh, that was pretty cool. 1100 01:04:12,570 --> 01:04:13,980 That was my youngin. Oh, okay. 1101 01:04:15,330 --> 01:04:16,650 I told him not to call me. He did anyway. 1102 01:04:18,270 --> 01:04:22,310 Well, he can. He's got car blind, yeah. But yeah, it was a 1103 01:04:22,310 --> 01:04:25,010 lot of fun. Back, we did a lot of crazy stuff, man. We just, 1104 01:04:26,090 --> 01:04:30,380 you name it, we probably did it. Oh, yeah, I know this, like this 1105 01:04:30,890 --> 01:04:31,310 automatic 1106 01:04:33,020 --> 01:04:36,950 many times. We did that on the bus. We got rated once. One of 1107 01:04:37,070 --> 01:04:40,480 the crew members had taken a female home, and I don't think 1108 01:04:40,540 --> 01:04:44,170 she was of age. Oh, so 7o'clock in the morning, they're pounding 1109 01:04:44,260 --> 01:04:46,930 on the door, and we got like 10 or 12 cars downstairs. 1110 01:04:49,450 --> 01:04:52,570 Well, I remember one time you guys, it was the last time you 1111 01:04:52,660 --> 01:04:54,220 played the Rusty Spur in Birmingham, 1112 01:04:55,690 --> 01:04:59,500 and I went into the station the next day, and the salesman who. 1113 01:05:00,450 --> 01:05:02,100 I had sold the whole package, 1114 01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:07,080 man. We got a problem. I said, 'What's wrong? And he goes, 1115 01:05:08,670 --> 01:05:09,450 'Well, he 1116 01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:13,920 said there's a waitress that worked at the restaurant. Said 1117 01:05:14,910 --> 01:05:16,350 she's still living at home with her parents. 1118 01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:18,780 Said she took off on the bus. 1119 01:05:20,610 --> 01:05:23,450 He said she's wondering when she's holding us responsible. I 1120 01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:27,620 said, How are we responsible? We didn't, we didn't set it up. 1121 01:05:28,670 --> 01:05:28,760 Yep, 1122 01:05:29,990 --> 01:05:33,890 we had the first time that happened. I took care of it. I'd 1123 01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:36,980 already trained a guy we had, we hired, we called him Big R, 1124 01:05:38,780 --> 01:05:41,680 because he's big. So I taught him how to drive the town band 1125 01:05:41,710 --> 01:05:44,950 bus. I was tired of it, and we were out west at some 1126 01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:48,460 fair state fair. Yeah, that's when I still had to. 1127 01:05:50,380 --> 01:05:53,260 David pawned him off on me. I had to take care of him. He was 1128 01:05:53,290 --> 01:05:54,010 a Black Panther. 1129 01:05:55,270 --> 01:05:57,430 I remember that he had a black because he always had these 1130 01:05:57,490 --> 01:06:01,590 exotic cats. He had a tiger once, and yeah, I was accused, a 1131 01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:04,800 friend, my front of house guy had sent me a letter last year 1132 01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:05,880 that man, 1133 01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:11,670 David gave you the tiger, so you put it in the car, went to the 1134 01:06:11,820 --> 01:06:14,730 club, and you partied all night long, and you come back the next 1135 01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:16,830 morning, and tiger had ripped the whole damn car, 1136 01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:21,680 didn't even have a stairwell, it's all still, oh man, I'm 1137 01:06:21,770 --> 01:06:23,570 like, well, I thought he'd be all right. I 1138 01:06:25,220 --> 01:06:27,170 thought it'd be okay. Well, we had monkeys, 1139 01:06:28,610 --> 01:06:29,240 monkeys, 1140 01:06:30,410 --> 01:06:33,950 two or three, we had tiger, black panther. I had to be black 1141 01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:34,670 panther in 1142 01:06:36,740 --> 01:06:39,740 state fair we did out in Oklahoma, I think it was. Yeah, 1143 01:06:39,830 --> 01:06:42,460 you had to walk him around. I walked him around, you know. I 1144 01:06:42,610 --> 01:06:46,090 walked back to where the food area was. No cop standing there, 1145 01:06:46,870 --> 01:06:50,080 and I'm thinking maybe I might not want to take him in there 1146 01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:52,780 with all that food. Oh yeah, the cops like looking 1147 01:06:55,090 --> 01:06:57,370 here in Oklahoma, and I'm walking up with a Black Panther, 1148 01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:03,570 so I turned around, took him back to bus. We finally donated 1149 01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:06,000 him, I think, to a zoo, because he was - it was in the summer. 1150 01:07:06,330 --> 01:07:11,730 Yes, and our lack of air conditioning, it wasn't - he 1151 01:07:11,850 --> 01:07:14,370 gets a little rowdy, and his claws were coming out, and he'd 1152 01:07:14,460 --> 01:07:17,790 nip at you, and you know, yeah, we had to get rid of the 1153 01:07:17,940 --> 01:07:21,740 panther. I think we, my register is one of the only touring bands 1154 01:07:21,770 --> 01:07:24,290 with a panther on your bus. Oh yeah, I don't know. I think you 1155 01:07:24,350 --> 01:07:27,230 were the only ones. I didn't like the monkey. He starts stuff 1156 01:07:27,380 --> 01:07:27,620 at you. 1157 01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:32,810 I can only imagine. Yes, 1158 01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:42,760 everybody's a critic. A little monkey, every day was like it's 1159 01:07:42,850 --> 01:07:46,030 like a movie, you know? You want to get out of it? No, 1160 01:07:47,470 --> 01:07:49,630 you got to be seeing some of the stories these days, and just 1161 01:07:49,750 --> 01:07:52,840 laugh, and just be like, really, you think that's you think 1162 01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:53,710 that's newsworthy? 1163 01:07:54,820 --> 01:07:59,350 No idea. I just, you know, there's a lot of good stuff 1164 01:07:59,470 --> 01:08:02,880 coming out of Nashville, but it's not mainstream, no, it's, 1165 01:08:03,270 --> 01:08:06,630 it's on the second tier, maybe call it, I don't know, but 1166 01:08:06,630 --> 01:08:08,970 there's a lot, there's still a lot of good songwriters, still a 1167 01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:11,520 lot of good singers in this town, but they're not getting, 1168 01:08:11,940 --> 01:08:13,950 they're not getting attention, they're not getting what they 1169 01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:18,000 deserve. No, I listened to our group on the road a lot with 1170 01:08:18,030 --> 01:08:22,010 David, I got to know all those old Texas songwriters, man, 1171 01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:26,030 Jerry Jail. We had a.. oh, I love Jerry. We did a show in 1172 01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:29,990 Oklahoma, and Jerry Jeff was on the bill, and I was talking 1173 01:08:30,020 --> 01:08:34,010 backstage to the row crew. See, man, we finally did it. I said, 1174 01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:35,450 "What'd you do? 1175 01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:39,770 We taught Jerry Jeff, that we drinks too much and passes out 1176 01:08:39,830 --> 01:08:41,650 on stage to fall backwards instead of 1177 01:08:43,690 --> 01:08:44,590 mess up his guitar 1178 01:08:46,810 --> 01:08:50,620 feeding a dog. I like this story about Jerry Jeff. I forget where 1179 01:08:50,620 --> 01:08:53,770 it was, but I think it was in Texas somewhere. But he had been 1180 01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:56,800 in the swimming pool, he was late for the gig, and they had 1181 01:08:56,830 --> 01:09:00,160 to go get him out of the pool. Jerry Jeff shows up on stage 1182 01:09:00,250 --> 01:09:05,010 with wet swimming trunks goes on stage, man. Those days are gone, 1183 01:09:05,130 --> 01:09:08,490 them old boys, Diamond Jim and Fred Spears with the Tennessee 1184 01:09:08,580 --> 01:09:13,260 Hat. Yeah, that was that was a good band gum, good band. It 1185 01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:16,740 was. They're all still friends. Billy the kid died. He took my 1186 01:09:16,860 --> 01:09:17,490 place for a little while. 1187 01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:22,100 I might as well mention I hold the record for quitting David 1188 01:09:25,220 --> 01:09:28,880 five times. He'd always called me back. He surprised me when he 1189 01:09:28,910 --> 01:09:32,270 called me back one time, because I got really mad, and I bought 1190 01:09:32,420 --> 01:09:37,160 this old Dodge van from Mater, our truck driver. It was old, 1191 01:09:37,190 --> 01:09:38,600 like early 70s, 1192 01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:43,480 and it had four slick tires on it, and the spare was slick, and 1193 01:09:43,510 --> 01:09:46,960 I quit David, and I had the van, and I'm going to North Carolina, 1194 01:09:46,990 --> 01:09:49,780 and I'll say, well, I can't go on those slick tires, so I went 1195 01:09:49,810 --> 01:09:52,720 down to our service station that did all the cars, and blah blah 1196 01:09:52,750 --> 01:09:56,500 blah, I said I need four tires, and I put one on that spare too, 1197 01:09:56,650 --> 01:09:59,950 he said, okay, so he redid, and I all four brand new tires. 1198 01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,310 Was a brand new spare, he said. What are you gonna do with Bill? 1199 01:10:02,490 --> 01:10:03,690 I said, he sent David, 1200 01:10:06,030 --> 01:10:08,610 so he sent it, and I never heard a word about it. 1201 01:10:09,810 --> 01:10:13,230 He never would come up. I do like that stuff. I mean, you go 1202 01:10:13,290 --> 01:10:16,590 in a music store, and he gave me $10,000 1203 01:10:18,630 --> 01:10:21,710 and I went to the music store in Miami, and Mater drove me up on 1204 01:10:21,830 --> 01:10:23,030 one of the equipment trucks, 1205 01:10:24,260 --> 01:10:26,660 and I walked in, and that's where all those sun amps, the 1206 01:10:27,050 --> 01:10:28,970 amp wall, yeah, came from. 1207 01:10:30,380 --> 01:10:33,650 They had a whole row of sun amps, they suck, but 1208 01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:37,580 they look good when you stack them up six, seven foot high 1209 01:10:38,180 --> 01:10:41,770 down wall, but that's where the amp wall came, and the guy was 1210 01:10:41,860 --> 01:10:44,350 talking about, we were talking about David, you know, and 1211 01:10:46,540 --> 01:10:49,660 which one of his amps he was, and all of them. He said, "Okay. 1212 01:10:49,780 --> 01:10:52,600 I said, "Trucks pulling up out back, just load them in it. And 1213 01:10:52,630 --> 01:10:55,600 we were talking, I said, "Yeah, you know, if David ever comes 1214 01:10:55,750 --> 01:10:57,430 in, if you really want to sell him something, 1215 01:10:58,930 --> 01:11:01,470 just kind of go, 'Well, man, that costs a lot of money. I 1216 01:11:01,530 --> 01:11:03,660 don't know if you can afford it. He'll give you whatever you 1217 01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:03,930 want. 1218 01:11:05,670 --> 01:11:09,540 That's just.. we were starving on the road, and we eating at a 1219 01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:14,070 truck stop. We not a lot of money, right? I got paid. What 1220 01:11:14,070 --> 01:11:17,010 does David do in front of all of us? He gives the waitress $100 1221 01:11:17,610 --> 01:11:17,820 tip. 1222 01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:19,950 I ain't got no money, 1223 01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:27,260 huh? was like one time, too. You said that he bought a parrot. Oh 1224 01:11:27,530 --> 01:11:31,190 God, I could talk the green chicken. Yeah, and yeah, we 1225 01:11:31,340 --> 01:11:35,060 were, yeah. And he talked about how much he paid for it, $6,000 1226 01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:36,020 Yeah, 1227 01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:40,220 but you can't pay your band members. Yeah, I'll give you a 1228 01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:43,150 back. Yeah, he had to go back to Nashville. We were in the middle 1229 01:11:43,180 --> 01:11:44,890 of filming Lady Gray over there, yeah. 1230 01:11:45,940 --> 01:11:48,430 So he had to go to Nashville, and he had just bought the 1231 01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:49,960 chicken and told us to take care of 1232 01:11:51,910 --> 01:11:58,390 it. So what he tore the chicken, the parrot knew 400 words. So 1233 01:11:58,510 --> 01:12:04,770 I'm thinking, okay, so David's rolling was Big Big Don, Big 1234 01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:06,930 Jack Donovan, or something like it was BJ, 1235 01:12:07,950 --> 01:12:10,530 that's right, like Black Jack Donovan, like Jack Donovan. 1236 01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:14,820 Yeah, so I went on the bus, and they only took a couple days, 1237 01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:15,420 and I talked 1238 01:12:16,860 --> 01:12:17,310 the chicken 1239 01:12:19,530 --> 01:12:21,980 how to say big jerk, big jerk. 1240 01:12:23,480 --> 01:12:26,060 So David comes back, and we go over to the bus. He's getting on 1241 01:12:26,060 --> 01:12:28,280 the bus, he opens the door, and the parents right there in the 1242 01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:30,890 front, he sees David, big jerk. 1243 01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:37,310 David looks, you taught him that, didn't you? 1244 01:12:39,500 --> 01:12:43,390 Somebody else is no. Well, I loved also the movie because 1245 01:12:43,870 --> 01:12:47,500 Earl Owensby, if people don't know who Earl Owensby was, he 1246 01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:49,930 was a big B movie, C movie, whatever, 1247 01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:53,740 he put these kind of movies out, 4o'clock in the morning, you 1248 01:12:53,770 --> 01:12:58,840 might see it, yeah, Black Jack Donovan, all they did was they 1249 01:12:58,990 --> 01:13:03,120 had like David Allen Co, like greatest hits, but somebody that 1250 01:13:03,180 --> 01:13:07,380 just put tape over David Allen Co, but Black Jack Doc. Oh 1251 01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:11,040 yeah, you're seeing that one. We got that film in that little 1252 01:13:11,100 --> 01:13:14,880 barbecue outside. Yes, they introduce Ginger, you know? She 1253 01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:18,540 gets up, yes, Panama, and you know, playing a song. She was a 1254 01:13:18,630 --> 01:13:22,250 sweetheart, and I didn't notice it, but then we did a shot in 1255 01:13:22,340 --> 01:13:25,640 the studio of her cutting song at what's that guitar picker out 1256 01:13:25,670 --> 01:13:29,000 of Charlotte. He had him and his brother had a TV show, can't 1257 01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:32,630 remember his name, but we were doing, and they had a shot close 1258 01:13:32,780 --> 01:13:35,540 up of me and her. She's on the mic, standing up, and I'm 1259 01:13:35,660 --> 01:13:36,410 sitting right behind her. 1260 01:13:39,140 --> 01:13:40,540 We had the same damn haircut, 1261 01:13:43,630 --> 01:13:45,610 and David, that's where David got the idea. 1262 01:13:47,740 --> 01:13:49,150 She's a sweetheart, though, man. But 1263 01:13:50,710 --> 01:13:52,960 because of her, I got the lowdown on what happened that 1264 01:13:53,050 --> 01:13:53,920 night to Elvis. 1265 01:13:55,270 --> 01:13:58,840 I can't talk about it. She swore me, her mom got on me too. Boy, 1266 01:13:58,990 --> 01:14:01,830 they had the lawsuit because Elvis had promised her a house, 1267 01:14:01,950 --> 01:14:04,710 and sure, but she told me what happened when she woke up that 1268 01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:08,160 morning, and she told me what led up to it, but you know, I 1269 01:14:08,220 --> 01:14:11,370 don't want to be called in to testify, so I don't know, yeah, 1270 01:14:11,460 --> 01:14:12,720 you don't know a thing, who 1271 01:14:15,030 --> 01:14:15,120 it 1272 01:14:16,620 --> 01:14:17,700 was, John Lennon, that's 1273 01:14:19,470 --> 01:14:20,570 well, man, what, how do you, 1274 01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:26,720 because you know, losing David recently, a big thing, and how 1275 01:14:26,810 --> 01:14:28,400 do you think he'll be remembered by 1276 01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:31,790 the majority of the Nashville community? 1277 01:14:34,370 --> 01:14:34,550 Well, 1278 01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:38,480 you probably know, you probably, everybody probably knows how 1279 01:14:38,570 --> 01:14:39,830 this business works. Yeah, 1280 01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:41,650 they, 1281 01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:46,540 they don't give a lot of credit to someone like that when 1282 01:14:46,570 --> 01:14:50,080 they're alive, right? Once they die, they're gonna try to figure 1283 01:14:50,140 --> 01:14:53,740 out how to make a book. Well, they're putting out an album. I 1284 01:14:53,830 --> 01:14:55,750 heard that's Kim. Was that Kim? 1285 01:14:57,430 --> 01:14:59,740 Okay, let me talk about that. No, so. 1286 01:15:00,450 --> 01:15:02,700 She's, it's, it'll be an album of her, 1287 01:15:03,870 --> 01:15:05,310 mostly. Oh no, 1288 01:15:07,590 --> 01:15:10,650 I hope no, no, it's not. But 1289 01:15:11,970 --> 01:15:15,840 I mean, I'm sorry, but I mean, I'm hoping it's not. I'm hoping 1290 01:15:15,870 --> 01:15:19,890 it's like I said, I'd rather buy a Yoko Ono album, I think. No 1291 01:15:20,130 --> 01:15:20,600 offense, Kim, 1292 01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:25,700 I would say her nickname, but 1293 01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:28,940 you tell us when we get done, 1294 01:15:32,990 --> 01:15:36,020 so it would be something if you changed her name to something 1295 01:15:36,140 --> 01:15:40,090 familiar with Yoko. Oh, okay, gotcha. Keep your K, okay. It, 1296 01:15:44,500 --> 01:15:46,090 yeah, many nights with that woman, 1297 01:15:47,620 --> 01:15:50,290 she was a casino waitress, but he, yeah, he loved her 1298 01:15:51,310 --> 01:15:53,470 well. They seemed to make each other happy, I guess. That's 1299 01:15:53,620 --> 01:15:56,440 all. My hat's off to her for keeping, you know, taking care 1300 01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:57,880 of him, yeah, for all those years, 1301 01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:01,980 and just putting it out that I mean, when they had the flag on 1302 01:16:02,010 --> 01:16:05,790 his casket, so many people didn't know he's in service. Oh 1303 01:16:05,940 --> 01:16:08,970 yeah, my friend Dave Pommery over here at the Union, he 1304 01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:12,960 called me because they had a CSAC check for him, and she had 1305 01:16:13,020 --> 01:16:16,950 called him checking on the checks, and he said she said he 1306 01:16:16,980 --> 01:16:20,810 was in his service. I said, yeah, not for long, but he was 1307 01:16:20,930 --> 01:16:24,080 in service. In fact, didn't he go in underage? Didn't he? He 1308 01:16:24,170 --> 01:16:26,720 went in under age, so he qualified for a pension. So he 1309 01:16:27,230 --> 01:16:29,810 gets his service pension. Well, good for most people don't know 1310 01:16:30,020 --> 01:16:32,930 he was in service, you know. Yeah, you know, he volunteered 1311 01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:36,290 at a young age. You gotta give it to him. Hell, just got out of 1312 01:16:36,350 --> 01:16:37,250 jail, you know. Yeah, 1313 01:16:38,270 --> 01:16:38,330 yeah. 1314 01:16:39,500 --> 01:16:41,080 Well, I just hope that people will 1315 01:16:42,250 --> 01:16:46,360 check out his Columbia catalog, because that stuff's just 1316 01:16:46,420 --> 01:16:50,170 classic. I mean, he made some great records. Yep, and check 1317 01:16:50,290 --> 01:16:53,950 out the early stuff, the songwriting on that early. 1318 01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:57,850 That's what I was hoping would happen in the end of his life 1319 01:16:58,000 --> 01:16:58,810 was that he would get 1320 01:16:59,890 --> 01:17:03,450 a like what cash got done for him? Yeah, at the end, that's 1321 01:17:03,450 --> 01:17:05,850 why I was hoping for David, but it didn't work out that way, 1322 01:17:06,450 --> 01:17:07,950 unfortunately. Yeah, it was 1323 01:17:09,270 --> 01:17:13,860 he passed away, or it was on the 29th around 5o'clock when I got 1324 01:17:13,860 --> 01:17:16,710 to where he passed out. I mean, he passed away around 5o'clock 1325 01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:19,410 and luckily they got in touch with me. 1326 01:17:20,670 --> 01:17:24,950 It takes a little while to digest. We were, you know, we 1327 01:17:25,070 --> 01:17:26,240 were close for a long time. 1328 01:17:28,310 --> 01:17:31,610 Well, and I would stress to everyone to pick up the book, 1329 01:17:31,730 --> 01:17:34,070 especially if you want to know what it was like on the road 1330 01:17:34,730 --> 01:17:38,690 with David Allen Cohen, and you know, brace yourself, because 1331 01:17:38,930 --> 01:17:39,650 it's some of it's 1332 01:17:40,730 --> 01:17:43,210 what you would think. My life on the road with David Allen Co. 1333 01:17:43,390 --> 01:17:46,630 Mickey Hayes. Is there anywhere else people can check out stuff 1334 01:17:46,780 --> 01:17:47,020 on you? 1335 01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:51,970 Yeah, I guess everybody's got me here and there on social media 1336 01:17:52,090 --> 01:17:52,960 and movies and 1337 01:17:54,190 --> 01:17:56,770 shows. We did Austin Sea of the Limits was probably the best 1338 01:17:56,860 --> 01:17:59,200 show we ever did on.. Oh, that was great. It was like 1339 01:18:00,250 --> 01:18:04,290 when David, if you haven't seen Austin See the Limits, when 1340 01:18:04,350 --> 01:18:08,130 we're doing my girl, yeah, and David does the freeze, yeah, 1341 01:18:08,490 --> 01:18:12,090 while Warren plays the, yeah, so I'm sitting over there, good, 1342 01:18:14,550 --> 01:18:18,030 what's he doing? Just freezes, yeah, he's just standing there, 1343 01:18:18,390 --> 01:18:19,830 he's got his friend Jonah, yeah, 1344 01:18:22,350 --> 01:18:25,250 I'm like, well, what I really loved was when you guys did 1345 01:18:25,700 --> 01:18:29,420 Willie Whalen and me, yeah, and I swore to somebody, I said 1346 01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:34,220 somebody said gland instead of band, you got it, yeah, as rodeo 1347 01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:35,150 on the far left, 1348 01:18:36,500 --> 01:18:39,680 and I tell people that she, what, listen to it really cool, 1349 01:18:39,740 --> 01:18:39,950 oh yeah, 1350 01:18:41,090 --> 01:18:43,330 and you can tell by David's place, because 1351 01:18:44,530 --> 01:18:45,490 David kind of 1352 01:18:46,900 --> 01:18:49,480 smiles. You guys are on me. Oh, 1353 01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:54,430 national TV. Well, man, it's been a treasure. This one thing, 1354 01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:58,000 go ahead, show you how smart David is. We were doing, you 1355 01:18:58,030 --> 01:19:01,080 know, preliminary, you know, that they do 230 minute slots, 1356 01:19:01,110 --> 01:19:03,840 they came, and then they put them together, and you don't 1357 01:19:03,870 --> 01:19:06,750 have any say so over that. They put them together, yeah. And 1358 01:19:06,750 --> 01:19:12,510 David knew this, so we went in the first 30 minute show we did. 1359 01:19:12,570 --> 01:19:14,370 He cussed every song, 1360 01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:16,440 cussed, and 1361 01:19:18,870 --> 01:19:20,930 then we did the show, and he didn't cuss 1362 01:19:22,010 --> 01:19:25,760 until the last song, darling, darling, yeah, and they tickled 1363 01:19:25,790 --> 01:19:29,390 me, they were so bad, they put the, and they put the X's on his 1364 01:19:29,480 --> 01:19:29,900 mouth, yeah, 1365 01:19:31,430 --> 01:19:34,640 but he cussed on the, and they kept it in, they just, but I 1366 01:19:34,730 --> 01:19:37,310 figured out he did that because he didn't want that one, he 1367 01:19:37,430 --> 01:19:40,450 wanted the one he wanted, so he cussed all the way through the 1368 01:19:40,570 --> 01:19:43,990 first 30 minutes, then we filmed the second 30 minutes, and 1369 01:19:43,990 --> 01:19:44,890 that's the one they used. 1370 01:19:49,180 --> 01:19:52,180 Well, Mickey, thanks so much for coming, man. And you came in, 1371 01:19:52,450 --> 01:19:56,650 uh, yeah, this is really cool, man with us. And Gary Gentry, I 1372 01:19:56,740 --> 01:19:59,350 mean, we waited for you, but it's cool, brother. Gary, we 1373 01:19:59,530 --> 01:19:59,890 still looking. 1374 01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:03,750 Him another time, by the way, Gary. It's get the right circle 1375 01:20:03,810 --> 01:20:07,200 in the drain podcast with you, Sharon. And Gary, I know where 1376 01:20:07,230 --> 01:20:08,220 you live. I'm coming to see 1377 01:20:09,780 --> 01:20:13,230 here, Harley, at 12 o'clock at night. It's me, I'm coming with 1378 01:20:13,260 --> 01:20:13,710 him, buddy. 1379 01:20:14,940 --> 01:20:18,540 Jay, tell folks where they can catch us. Yes, Johnny B, of 1380 01:20:18,630 --> 01:20:22,910 course. Our social media platforms, Facebook, we try to 1381 01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:26,120 get it on Twitter, where X, whatever, when it cooperates, of 1382 01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:29,150 course, our YouTube channel and the website Circling the 1383 01:20:29,300 --> 01:20:29,540 drain.net 1384 01:20:31,130 --> 01:20:33,950 and check that out, because you can also get some cool stuff. 1385 01:20:34,460 --> 01:20:37,280 Yep, and we'll join us next time on Circling the Drain.