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<v Speaker 1>Well, Wesley, if you know me, you know that I

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<v Speaker 1>love to follow rules. I am not a rule breaker.

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<v Speaker 1>I am a real follower.

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<v Speaker 2>To the tea, I'm going to lean over, so I

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<v Speaker 2>don't get light. I'm Wesley. This is Chris, and this

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<v Speaker 2>is the Daily Bible GUIDs. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, the reason why we talked about that is because

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<v Speaker 1>today we're talking about respect for authority. Right, That's the

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<v Speaker 1>reason why I talked about the rule. Yes, but we'll

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<v Speaker 1>get to that in just a minute. But today we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to get have a little fun with this segment

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<v Speaker 1>called the Babylon B. Now you know that we love

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<v Speaker 1>good resources for good news, right, and the Babylon B

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<v Speaker 1>is of course just satire. Yeah, but I love the

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<v Speaker 1>segment because as long as you understand the culture, and

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<v Speaker 1>if you live in church world and you know you

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<v Speaker 1>grew up in church and all these different kind of things,

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<v Speaker 1>this is absolutely hilarious. So this is how the headline reads.

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<v Speaker 1>Scholars theorize Disciples were Chick fil A workers as they

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<v Speaker 1>distributed food to five thousand in record times. That is

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<v Speaker 1>the title. So it says this is written in Israel.

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<v Speaker 1>It says scholars now believe that the Disciples who handed

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<v Speaker 1>out the food so aptly to the five thousand may

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<v Speaker 1>have been in fact Chick fil A employees. These guys

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<v Speaker 1>handled a lunch rush of five thousand people and with

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<v Speaker 1>just a twelve man crew. Question mark who else could

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<v Speaker 1>pull that off besides Chick fil A workers. A New

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<v Speaker 1>Testament scholar Dean Arrington said, that's slinging food with the

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<v Speaker 1>big boys. Chick fil A has been reportedly done its

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<v Speaker 1>own study on the Disciples of Actions following Jesus Miracle,

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<v Speaker 1>hoping to learn their secrets. Did they have one lane

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<v Speaker 1>or two separate teams? Separate teams for fish and bread,

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<v Speaker 1>asked the current Chick fil A operator, Jared Higgins. These

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<v Speaker 1>are things we could learn from now. They didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>the same saucee that we carry, but it's still quite

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<v Speaker 1>a feat. Isn't that funny that estimates place the Disciples

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<v Speaker 1>order to food time at approximately ninety seconds per family

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<v Speaker 1>union per unit, placing them amongst the fastest in the industry.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the sort of talent we recruit here at Chick

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<v Speaker 1>fil A, said mister Higgins. Very few people on this

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<v Speaker 1>planet are capable of achieving our standards. But the Apostles

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<v Speaker 1>might have been some of them. Scholars became less sure

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<v Speaker 1>of their new theory after further evidence emerged that the

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<v Speaker 1>disciples forgot to say on several occasions, it's my pleasure.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so fun, isn't it good? Of course, Chick fil

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<v Speaker 1>a is known for their customer service, right, And I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if you guys any of our listeners have

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<v Speaker 1>Chick fil A's, because a lot of people listening who

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<v Speaker 1>are out of the United States. But Chick fil A's

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<v Speaker 1>are incredibly efficient and they're the only ones, aren't they

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<v Speaker 1>with people who actually they walk to your car and

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<v Speaker 1>they take your order. They don't wait for you to

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<v Speaker 1>get to the drive through windows.

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<v Speaker 2>A personal customer service experience.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, so the time you pull in and you

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<v Speaker 1>may be in line, and the Chick fil across from

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<v Speaker 1>our church has on the average about what a forty

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<v Speaker 1>five minute wait.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's packed whenever you go.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so there's no less than usually would I would

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<v Speaker 1>say eighty percent of the time there's at least fifty

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<v Speaker 1>cars or more and people pull through. And the funny

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<v Speaker 1>thing is if it's only like thirty cars, you're out

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<v Speaker 1>in like ten minutes. Yeah, like you know, or you know,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe maybe fifteen or twenty at the maximum. But I've

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<v Speaker 1>pulled into Arby's before there's only been three cars ahead

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<v Speaker 1>of me, right, and it's been longer than twenty minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>Because they were making it fresh just for you, Chris.

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<v Speaker 1>Whatever I mean, it's been. It's been everywhere. But I'll

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<v Speaker 1>tell you what Chick fil A is definitely the pride

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<v Speaker 1>and joy of customer service. I love Chick fil A

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<v Speaker 1>like more than life itself.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they've got good customer service. Yeah, although my daughter

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<v Speaker 2>one day said it would be so nice, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's almost like something's off a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you this for thirty seconds. I grew up

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<v Speaker 1>in Youngstown, Ohio, which is a really rough area, and

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<v Speaker 1>I remember the day that Chick fil A opened in

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<v Speaker 1>Youngstown because it took a while for Chickfilate to go north,

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<v Speaker 1>and when Youngstown finally got one, I actually said to

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<v Speaker 1>my wife, I said, there is no way that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to hear a Youngstown teenager say it's my pleasure, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>there is no way. If you know the culture of

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<v Speaker 1>this area, there's no way. And I remember going there

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<v Speaker 1>and I remember, you know, waiting for it, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you know, here's this kid of sixteen. He's like, it's

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<v Speaker 1>my pleasure, and I was like, miracles do happen? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Chick Flake can even convert people from Youngstown, which is amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really funny. So all right, well listen, let's dive in.

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<v Speaker 1>We are in Roman chapter thirteen. Paul's talking about respect

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<v Speaker 1>for authority, hence my joke at the beginning, and Wesley,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to read the whole chapter, verses one through fourteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Here we go thirteen Romans thirteen, Verse one, New Living Translation.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone must submit to governing authorities. For all authority comes

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<v Speaker 2>from God, and those in positions of authority have been

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<v Speaker 2>placed thereby God. So anyone who rebels against authority is

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<v Speaker 2>rebelling against what God has instituted, and they will be punished.

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<v Speaker 2>For the authorities do not strike fear in people who

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<v Speaker 2>are doing right, but in those who are doing wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you like to live without fear of the authorities?

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<v Speaker 2>Do what is right and they will honor you. The

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<v Speaker 2>authorities are God's servants sent for your good. But if

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<v Speaker 2>you are doing wrong, of course you should be afraid

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<v Speaker 2>or they have the power to punish you. They are

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<v Speaker 2>God's servants sent for the very purpose of punishing those

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<v Speaker 2>who do what is wrong. So you must submit to them,

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<v Speaker 2>not only to avoid punishment, but also to keep a

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<v Speaker 2>clear conscience. Your taxes too, for these same reasons. For

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<v Speaker 2>government workers need to be paid. They are serving God,

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<v Speaker 2>and what they do give to everyone what you owe them,

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<v Speaker 2>and your taxes in government fees to those who collect them,

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<v Speaker 2>and give respect and honor to those in authority. Verse eight.

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<v Speaker 2>Owe nothing to anyone except for your obligation to love

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<v Speaker 2>one another. If you love your neighbor, you will fulfill

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<v Speaker 2>the requirements of God's law. For the commandments say you

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<v Speaker 2>must not commit adultery, you must not murder, you must

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<v Speaker 2>not steal, you must not covet. These and other such

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<v Speaker 2>commandments are summed up in this one commandment. Love your

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<v Speaker 2>neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to others, so

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<v Speaker 2>fulfills the requirements of God's law. This is all the

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<v Speaker 2>more urgent for you know how late it is. Time

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<v Speaker 2>is running out. Wake up, for our salvation is nearer

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<v Speaker 2>now than when we first believe. The night is almost gone.

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<v Speaker 2>The day of salvation will soon be here. So remove

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<v Speaker 2>your dark deeds like dirty clothes and put on the

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<v Speaker 2>shining armor of right living. Because we belong to the day,

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<v Speaker 2>we must live decent lives for all to see. Don't

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<v Speaker 2>in sexual promiscuity and in moral living, or in quarreling

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<v Speaker 2>in jealousy. Instead, clothe yourself with the presence of the

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<v Speaker 2>Lord Jesus Christ, and don't let yourself think about ways

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<v Speaker 2>to indulge your evil desires.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so Paul again is sort of shifting from the

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<v Speaker 1>first chapters of the Book of Romans about theology. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>just keep in mind, he's writing to a church in

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<v Speaker 1>Rome that he is not yet visited. They have heard

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<v Speaker 1>about him, because everybody's heard of Paul. He's sort of

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<v Speaker 1>the you know, a person who's carrying the message to

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<v Speaker 1>the gentiles, and so he's introducing himself. But also he's

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<v Speaker 1>laying theological ground. And now in Roman chapter twelve, just

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<v Speaker 1>one chapter ago, he shifted gears to the more practical. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>this is definitely practical. So he starts off and it

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<v Speaker 1>really feels like two categories. He's talking about, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>all about authority, governments, right, obying government and respecting them.

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<v Speaker 1>And then he sort of shift gears, and he covers

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<v Speaker 1>the blanket by saying, you know, you were treat them

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<v Speaker 1>by loving your neighbor as yourself. But then he sort

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<v Speaker 1>of blankets that with other commandments like, hey, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just love everyone and then also understand that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>salvation is near, don't behave wild parties, don't behavior morally

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<v Speaker 1>just in general, which is sort of outside the realm

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<v Speaker 1>of government. Right, So anyway, let's let's talk about this

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<v Speaker 1>because I think that for a lot of people, especially

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<v Speaker 1>those who are political right, they're the ones who you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just love to just on social media, just go forever

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<v Speaker 1>right on political parties, they're the ones that get really

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<v Speaker 1>hyped this passage.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but here's the interesting thing that I think it

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<v Speaker 2>directly ties into a biblical concept. Isn't it funny how

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<v Speaker 2>when the people that we like are in power, we're

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<v Speaker 2>for them, But when there's someone that we feel who

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<v Speaker 2>is in power that we don't like, oh, that's terrible,

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<v Speaker 2>that's horrible, it's bad. It's kind of going back a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of days ago when we were talking about the

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<v Speaker 2>sin in our own lives. When we sin, Oh, that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's just a little small sin, that's a little lie.

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<v Speaker 2>But when Chris does it, oh crucify, I'm that is

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<v Speaker 2>horrible and terrible. It's just interesting to me politically how

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<v Speaker 2>it is. When it's your side and power, you overlook

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<v Speaker 2>the sins and the faults. But when it's the other

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<v Speaker 2>people that's crucified them, and that goes both ways up down,

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<v Speaker 2>backwards forwards. Not talking about any particular group, I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>saying in general, that's a concept.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I'll tell you my whole view of the idea

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<v Speaker 1>of obeying government and everything else. A government that you

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<v Speaker 1>don't agree with, government that you think are corrupt, government

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<v Speaker 1>that you think that you don't believe in, all of

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<v Speaker 1>it's changed in my mind in a significant way when

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<v Speaker 1>I understood. I heard a message one time by one

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<v Speaker 1>of my favorite pastors, and Any Stanley, and he talked

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<v Speaker 1>about how God uses even the most corrupt of governments

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<v Speaker 1>to put forth his will in big ways. God's moving

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<v Speaker 1>the chess pieces both through evil people and good And

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<v Speaker 1>if you think about that concept, that is not only

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<v Speaker 1>true for government, that is true for our own lives.

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<v Speaker 1>Right like God has moved the chess pieces of evil

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<v Speaker 1>and good people in our own lives to bring about

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<v Speaker 1>his will. And so in the example that he used

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<v Speaker 1>was at Christmas time where it says, the only reason

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<v Speaker 1>why Caesar Augustus is even popular is because he's included

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<v Speaker 1>in the story of Jesus. But if you would rewind

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand years ago, everybody knew Caesar Augustus's name, and

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<v Speaker 1>nobody knew who Jesus was. Right, But now Caesar Augustus

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<v Speaker 1>has not become a footnote in Jesus' story. So out

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<v Speaker 1>of absolute greed and unfair taxation, Caesar Augustus has a

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<v Speaker 1>decree that the whole world should have a census for taxes. So,

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<v Speaker 1>because of his motivation, it accomplished the purposes of the prophets,

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<v Speaker 1>Bethlehem from Nazareth for Jesus to be born there to

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<v Speaker 1>fulfill the prophecies. In other words, it's pretty clear that

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<v Speaker 1>God is going to use those who are even corrupt

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<v Speaker 1>and in power to accomplished as will. Another segment of

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<v Speaker 1>the same message that I heard was how when they

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<v Speaker 1>came up to Jesus and they said, hey, should we

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<v Speaker 1>pay taxes or not? And then remember when Jesus says

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<v Speaker 1>go catch a fish, and he said, you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>find a coin in that fish's mouth, and whatever coin

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<v Speaker 1>that it'll be enough to pay your taxes and eye taxes,

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<v Speaker 1>we absolutely know for a fact that everybody was taxed unjustly. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>So essentially they were making a little profit margin yeah

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<v Speaker 1>Right, and even a lot of profit. You remember zach

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<v Speaker 1>that the government was corrupt. The Jewish people lived in oppression, right,

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<v Speaker 1>oppression that they were under. So there is no shortage

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<v Speaker 1>of unfairness in the first century here. And yet both

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus multiple times and Paul says submit to the authority,

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<v Speaker 1>not because the authority deserves it, but because you're somebody

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<v Speaker 1>says do it is right. He's saying do it is

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<v Speaker 1>So let me read something here that I found in

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<v Speaker 1>this is talking about that. Here's what he says. It

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<v Speaker 1>in the military. Number two. Others believe that God has

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<v Speaker 1>authority in others. Christians should be loyal to both and

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<v Speaker 1>can work for either. They should, not, however, infuse the two.

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<v Speaker 1>In this view, church and state are concerned with two

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<v Speaker 1>totally different sphears, the spiritual and the physical, and thus

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<v Speaker 1>compliment each other but do not work together. Number three. Still,

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<v Speaker 1>others believe that Christians have responsibility to make the state better.

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<v Speaker 1>They can do this by politically. They can do this

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<v Speaker 1>a good society. In this view, church and state ideally

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<v Speaker 1>the whole thing. None of these views advocate rebelling against

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<v Speaker 1>those laws clearly require the believer to violate the moral

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<v Speaker 1>standards revealed by God. Wherever we find ourselves, we must

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<v Speaker 1>be responsible citizens as well as responsible Christians. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's a great summary.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a great summary.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, it goes back to that fact that I was

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<v Speaker 2>trying to point out of submitting and obeying government, whether

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<v Speaker 2>that you like in power or not, we're required by

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<v Speaker 2>God to submit to them in accordance with the Holy scriptures.

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<v Speaker 2>Because again, like you pointed out, God is moving the

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<v Speaker 2>So we need to make sure that we're being obedient

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<v Speaker 2>to God's word and doing what God. God's word says,

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<v Speaker 2>He'll take care of the government and all the other

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<v Speaker 2>you know things out there. We just need to make

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So it also depends how everybody's wired as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Like there are a lot of people who have an

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<v Speaker 1>easier time receiving something like this. You know, Jesus says, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>give to Caesar with Caesar, and you know, there are

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<v Speaker 1>probably people who are wired to say, but it's wrong. Yeah, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>how can I give to Caesar what is Caesar's when

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<v Speaker 1>technically mine and he's over taxing us?

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<v Speaker 1>Like like, didn't you hear me, Jesus right, Like, it's wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>I one hundred percent agree it's wrong. But yet at

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<v Speaker 1>if it's an evil and corrupt administration, you know. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure that I would ever classify any of

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<v Speaker 1>the United States's administrations as corrupt or evil. But actually

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<v Speaker 1>that's not true. I think that there's corruption in every

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<v Speaker 2>But I know the point, it's not like we have

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<v Speaker 2>and you think of the dictators down through history killed

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<v Speaker 2>millions of their own people or castro so we've never

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<v Speaker 2>had a person in power quite like that that's what.

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<v Speaker 1>I was meaning, I'm sort of stepping in it right now. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so I wouldn't I wouldn't necessarily classify them among them.

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<v Speaker 1>going to work your you know, your will in spite

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<v Speaker 1>of our government, not because of it, right, in spite

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<v Speaker 1>of who's in the office, not because of him or her.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's one of those things where faith is going

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<v Speaker 1>going to do everything I can. So I'm a person

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<v Speaker 1>that believes, you know, we should vote, and in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>without voting in our family, if you miss a vote,

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<v Speaker 1>oh you're in trouble. Right. So I'm going to do

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<v Speaker 1>the number one spiritual gift of faith. Yeah, so that's

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<v Speaker 1>the reason why it's easier for me to say, Okay, God,

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<v Speaker 1>going to trust that You're going to be sovereign in

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<v Speaker 2>Now, the distinguishing factor here that you've already pointed out, Chris,

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<v Speaker 2>is that if a decree came down from the government

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<v Speaker 2>that from this day forward, you know, starting you know today,

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<v Speaker 2>you can no longer believe in Jesus Christ and can

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<v Speaker 2>no longer go to church. Now, that's different from what

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<v Speaker 2>what's being discussed here. If it's contrary to God's word,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a different story. The Bible isn't saying, comply with

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<v Speaker 2>that will today you've got to stop believing in g No,

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<v Speaker 2>that's not what the Bible is saying.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, And it's the reason why we still ship

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<v Speaker 1>Bibles into Afghanistan.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So, and I remember smuggling bibles, literally smugging Bibles into Cuba.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're going against the authorities. We're going against the

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<v Speaker 1>government because we believe that it is going against what

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<v Speaker 1>we believe is God's word, according to our moral code,

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<v Speaker 1>according to what is right, you know. So it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>if it's going to violate those things, and it's going

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely biblically wrong, then I will have no hesitation at

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<v Speaker 1>all of bucking authority because quite honestly, I never have

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<v Speaker 1>any hesitation bucking authility, which is, you know, so especially

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<v Speaker 1>if they need to be bucked. Right, So I think

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<v Speaker 1>that I think that in those cases absolutely. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's clear that our allegiance is to God first.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, But regardless of who's in office, whether we like

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. It's always God first. The scripture is clear

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And then and then as long as it's not violating

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<v Speaker 1>God's loss and then yeah, being a member of society.

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<v Speaker 1>And then Paul goes on and says, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>because in this way then you can be a citizen

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<v Speaker 1>who still supports, you know, the authorities. And he calls

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<v Speaker 1>them God's servants, and and really what that means is

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't mean that they're godly. I don't believe that

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<v Speaker 1>means that. I believe it means that God's going to

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<v Speaker 1>use them as his servants in the way that God's

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I believe it, and I've seen that happen

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<v Speaker 2>in so many people's lives where God used and this

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<v Speaker 2>is in a little different context, but God used their

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<v Speaker 2>enemy kind of as their footstool. God used the enemy

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<v Speaker 2>to elevate and promote them, and God can move. Here's

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<v Speaker 2>the thing, we don't know. We're not God. We don't

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<v Speaker 2>That's why we just need to trust God. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. Well, listen, I think that's a great place

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully we will see you tomorrow on the Bible, guys,