WEBVTT Kind: captions Language: en-GB 00:00:12.969 --> 00:00:16.700 Travis Bader: This podcast was recorded on location at the Wild Sheep Society of 00:00:16.709 --> 00:00:19.580 BC's Western Hunting Expo in Penticton. 00:00:20.000 --> 00:00:23.220 My friend, Sean said, Trev, you got to bring up some of your recording equipment. 00:00:23.550 --> 00:00:25.550 Let's record a podcast while we're up there. 00:00:25.910 --> 00:00:27.840 The good folks at the Beretta Group. 00:00:28.099 --> 00:00:31.150 Offered to let us use their booth to record this podcast. 00:00:31.150 --> 00:00:32.989 And if you're not familiar with the bread, a group. 00:00:33.410 --> 00:00:38.970 They own Sakotika, Beretta, Norma Ammunition, and a whole slew of other 00:00:39.000 --> 00:00:40.750 companies I'm sure you've heard of. 00:00:41.149 --> 00:00:44.319 They are the oldest firearms business in the world. 00:00:44.319 --> 00:00:47.940 They're coming up on 500 years of operation, which is crazy. 00:00:48.069 --> 00:00:52.870 And they are generously providing all Silvercorp club members with 25 00:00:52.900 --> 00:00:57.230 percent off of all regularly priced clothing on the Stoger Canada website. 00:00:57.470 --> 00:00:59.339 And 10 percent off everything else. 00:00:59.419 --> 00:01:00.460 I bring this up. 00:01:00.834 --> 00:01:04.925 Because I'm extremely proud of what the Silvercore Club is able to offer. 00:01:05.315 --> 00:01:06.825 I love the Beretta Group. 00:01:06.955 --> 00:01:08.825 I use Beretta shotguns. 00:01:08.825 --> 00:01:11.065 I use Sakotika rifles. 00:01:11.094 --> 00:01:15.135 I wear the clothing and I want to be able to share the things 00:01:15.145 --> 00:01:18.654 that I like with other people and with the Silvercore Club members. 00:01:18.875 --> 00:01:23.194 If that helps you get outside and look stylish and have kit 00:01:23.254 --> 00:01:27.455 that works, I want to be able to help you thrive in the outdoors. 00:01:28.245 --> 00:01:31.015 Now, without further ado, let's get on with this episode. 00:01:31.015 --> 00:01:37.474 We've got Sean Zabor from Silvercore Joe Appel from Silvercore Podcast 140. 00:01:37.474 --> 00:01:40.875 Missing, we will have to just send our regrets. 00:01:41.215 --> 00:01:44.124 Missing is Kyle Stetler from Silvercore Podcast, if I 00:01:44.124 --> 00:01:46.175 remember right, it was number 38. 00:01:46.495 --> 00:01:47.765 He was one of the early guys on there. 00:01:48.585 --> 00:01:49.235 He was an OG. 00:01:49.235 --> 00:01:49.655 Yeah. 00:01:49.825 --> 00:01:52.155 The fact that you memorize that is very impressive. 00:01:52.405 --> 00:01:53.185 I'm not going to lie. 00:01:53.225 --> 00:01:55.404 I got on the phone and I had to look it up ahead of time. 00:01:55.715 --> 00:01:57.585 And I will forget all of that in a couple of hours. 00:01:57.845 --> 00:01:59.225 I can barely remember my name. 00:01:59.255 --> 00:02:00.595 The fact that you did that was great. 00:02:00.814 --> 00:02:04.625 It's pretty cool how we're able to bring all these different cultures together. 00:02:05.155 --> 00:02:07.495 I, I walked through at the trade show here. 00:02:07.880 --> 00:02:09.570 So Sean, you've got Stonehouse Realty. 00:02:09.570 --> 00:02:10.859 That's, that's your business. 00:02:10.910 --> 00:02:11.160 Sean Zubor: Yep. 00:02:11.650 --> 00:02:15.560 So we're selling real estate, but, uh, as you guys know, my main gig 00:02:15.610 --> 00:02:18.700 is selling high rises and all the other kinds of commercial jazz, but 00:02:18.989 --> 00:02:22.239 my passion and heart is always been in hunting since I was 10 years old. 00:02:22.239 --> 00:02:24.940 So, uh, putting one, two together, we're helping people. 00:02:24.949 --> 00:02:29.430 We're moving guide outfitters now looking for properties like lakefront 00:02:29.430 --> 00:02:32.350 properties and rural properties, hunting properties, fishing properties, 00:02:32.350 --> 00:02:34.520 and yeah, it's, it's, it's a blast. 00:02:34.520 --> 00:02:37.200 We've met a ton of people, got a lot of new clients, a lot of new friends. 00:02:37.345 --> 00:02:38.425 It's been an awesome show so far. 00:02:38.545 --> 00:02:38.785 Travis Bader: Yeah. 00:02:38.785 --> 00:02:40.815 You know, I'm loving the vibe of this show too. 00:02:40.935 --> 00:02:42.475 And there's, it was funny. 00:02:42.535 --> 00:02:46.614 Uh, it's been pointed out more than once on this show that, uh, if wild 00:02:46.625 --> 00:02:50.424 sheep really wants to promote this and get women into the wild sheep 00:02:50.424 --> 00:02:56.855 society, just let them know that there's affluent, fit, uh, Bearded. 00:02:57.685 --> 00:02:57.955 Yeah. 00:02:58.775 --> 00:02:59.625 Attempted bearded. 00:02:59.735 --> 00:02:59.895 Yeah. 00:02:59.895 --> 00:03:00.495 Attempted bearded. 00:03:01.375 --> 00:03:05.205 And Joe, of course, you were emceeing the event there last night. 00:03:05.375 --> 00:03:05.975 Joe Eppele: Trying to. 00:03:06.054 --> 00:03:06.294 Travis Bader: Yeah. 00:03:06.295 --> 00:03:07.274 Joe Eppele: Are you doing it again tonight? 00:03:07.344 --> 00:03:07.885 I'm not. 00:03:07.905 --> 00:03:08.644 I'm off the hook. 00:03:08.665 --> 00:03:12.584 I think that's part of the reason why Kyle wasn't able to join us is he's got to do 00:03:12.665 --> 00:03:14.195 all of the heavy lifting this evening. 00:03:14.385 --> 00:03:15.315 Travis Bader: Got it. 00:03:15.315 --> 00:03:17.805 So he's gonna be in front of the mic doing the mc bit. 00:03:18.135 --> 00:03:18.765 Absolutely. 00:03:18.890 --> 00:03:19.170 Sean Zubor: I love it. 00:03:19.215 --> 00:03:22.005 I just wanted to point out too that I'm six one and I may look 00:03:22.005 --> 00:03:25.605 really short in this video, but I'm actually not that short. 00:03:25.665 --> 00:03:27.315 These guys are just giants. 00:03:27.435 --> 00:03:30.015 Joe Eppele: I think that's why we positioned you to the front by the camera. 00:03:30.015 --> 00:03:30.850 So actually was 00:03:32.650 --> 00:03:33.735 Sean Zubor: actually was, yeah. 00:03:33.735 --> 00:03:37.545 I've never felt like a midget my entire life until today, so, but that's 00:03:37.545 --> 00:03:38.625 funny, actually, you mentioned it. 00:03:38.625 --> 00:03:40.965 So my girlfriend was straight up saying that she's got a friend that. 00:03:40.975 --> 00:03:43.605 It's a single and she's like, she should be here. 00:03:43.685 --> 00:03:46.275 Every guy here is six foot five and taller. 00:03:46.285 --> 00:03:48.935 It feels like all working out, all doing well. 00:03:48.985 --> 00:03:49.805 It's a great community. 00:03:50.074 --> 00:03:50.594 Definitely. 00:03:51.285 --> 00:03:52.885 Joe Eppele: I mean, look at all the guys walking around, just 00:03:52.885 --> 00:03:56.425 rugged mountain men that can get out there and survive off the land. 00:03:56.425 --> 00:03:57.434 What more could a gal want? 00:03:57.454 --> 00:03:58.044 Sean Zubor: Exactly. 00:03:58.095 --> 00:04:02.095 Ladies, you got to get into sheep hunting or at least hunting and come to the show. 00:04:02.255 --> 00:04:03.515 Join the wild sheep society. 00:04:04.000 --> 00:04:06.120 Travis Bader: So that's an interesting one too, because Wild Sheep 00:04:06.120 --> 00:04:09.330 Society is something people say, well, I'm not interested in sheep. 00:04:09.400 --> 00:04:10.140 Why? 00:04:10.150 --> 00:04:13.370 You know, I like moose hunting, I like deer hunting, but sheep? 00:04:14.260 --> 00:04:16.019 But it's so much more than just sheep. 00:04:16.029 --> 00:04:20.589 The Wild Sheep Society concentrates on habitat, and they concentrate on the 00:04:20.589 --> 00:04:23.249 same grounds that the deer are going to be on, that the moose are going to 00:04:23.250 --> 00:04:24.739 be on, that the elk are going to be on. 00:04:24.900 --> 00:04:25.110 Sean Zubor: Yeah. 00:04:25.550 --> 00:04:26.740 And it's funny that you mentioned that. 00:04:26.740 --> 00:04:30.640 So right now we just implemented this program that every home that we sell, 00:04:30.760 --> 00:04:32.100 we're putting a small portion away. 00:04:32.100 --> 00:04:34.560 Our goal is to like fundraise between five to 10 grand next 00:04:34.560 --> 00:04:36.389 year for the wild sheep society. 00:04:36.390 --> 00:04:36.630 Right. 00:04:36.990 --> 00:04:40.280 But I tell my clients and they're like, uh, but don't you hunt them? 00:04:42.245 --> 00:04:44.484 I'm like, so you're trying to make more so you could shoot them up? 00:04:44.484 --> 00:04:48.034 Like, yeah, kind of, but the reality is, and I think everybody that's into 00:04:48.034 --> 00:04:52.705 conservation, into hunting knows that almost all conservation, if not all of 00:04:52.705 --> 00:04:54.554 it comes from hunters one way or another. 00:04:54.955 --> 00:04:58.845 And especially with the wild sheep society, it's, it's about having a legacy 00:04:58.845 --> 00:05:02.634 that our kids and our families down the line, we'll be able to hunt these 00:05:02.634 --> 00:05:04.284 sheep for years and years and years. 00:05:04.624 --> 00:05:09.024 And, um, I think one thing is a big misconception for myself. 00:05:09.024 --> 00:05:10.344 Anyways, I've hunted everything. 00:05:10.545 --> 00:05:11.405 my entire life. 00:05:11.665 --> 00:05:15.715 And I feel like sheep hunting is something that is just as much of adventure 00:05:15.715 --> 00:05:17.705 as it is hunting in and of itself. 00:05:17.775 --> 00:05:21.295 But, um, yeah, it's, it's, it's a funny conversation with clients when you're 00:05:21.295 --> 00:05:24.745 telling them these things, because it seems like an oxymoron that, yeah, we do 00:05:24.745 --> 00:05:26.304 harvest these animals, we do kill them. 00:05:26.304 --> 00:05:30.985 But the reality is, is you do it very, very few and far between, um, in 00:05:30.985 --> 00:05:32.695 comparison to how many times you go out. 00:05:32.985 --> 00:05:37.444 But the fact that they're there because of societies like this is And 00:05:37.445 --> 00:05:39.905 Joe Eppele: the funds raised at events like this go back into, it's so much 00:05:39.915 --> 00:05:42.915 more than just harvesting an animal and putting more on the mountain. 00:05:42.915 --> 00:05:46.425 It's about education on making sure when you do harvest an animal, how 00:05:46.425 --> 00:05:49.205 to harvest the right one, make sure you're focusing on mature age class. 00:05:49.475 --> 00:05:52.314 And then also the funds go to habitat restoration, habitat 00:05:52.314 --> 00:05:54.415 protection, different areas where. 00:05:54.675 --> 00:05:58.455 You know, farm sheep are getting too close to our wild sheep, introducing 00:05:58.455 --> 00:06:01.645 diseases, a lot of that stuff that most people aren't aware of. 00:06:02.005 --> 00:06:03.854 That's what a lot of these funds go towards. 00:06:03.855 --> 00:06:05.395 So it's a habitat restoration. 00:06:05.725 --> 00:06:08.864 Um, you know, right now, huge projects going along the Fraser River with 00:06:08.864 --> 00:06:10.275 Movi, what's been going on there. 00:06:10.524 --> 00:06:13.495 The capturing, testing, making sure we're moving those diseased sheep. 00:06:13.885 --> 00:06:17.594 Um, so it's a lot of that that goes on and that stuff has so much more impact. 00:06:18.255 --> 00:06:19.885 In the big, you know, picture. 00:06:19.925 --> 00:06:24.205 So, yes, the community does harvest and remove some of those rams, but the 00:06:24.205 --> 00:06:27.165 number of rams that are back on the mountain because of groups like Wild 00:06:27.165 --> 00:06:30.225 Sheep Society BC, and if you look at it, I mean, look at the numbers, no group. 00:06:30.885 --> 00:06:34.535 In conservation period from what I have seen is making sure that the money 00:06:34.535 --> 00:06:38.715 that comes in goes directly out boots on the ground projects for everything. 00:06:39.025 --> 00:06:40.254 Sean Zubor: Yeah, it's pretty amazing. 00:06:40.375 --> 00:06:44.465 Uh, what the wild sheep society actually does and what everybody 00:06:44.465 --> 00:06:46.154 here is to really support that. 00:06:46.154 --> 00:06:48.765 I mean, we all love the gear we all love and we're going to talk about 00:06:48.765 --> 00:06:52.265 that huge shout out to Tika for letting us use their booth and all 00:06:52.265 --> 00:06:53.655 the guys that Italian everybody else. 00:06:53.685 --> 00:07:00.465 But, um, you're here for the sport, the love, the hobby of, of, uh, Uh, 00:07:00.475 --> 00:07:05.495 sheep hunting, but the reality is, is everybody's just as behind to actually 00:07:05.495 --> 00:07:10.104 like, like, I've never been to any kind of event where everybody's doing every 00:07:10.105 --> 00:07:14.075 kind of like 50, 50 draw or gun draw or this, like everybody's putting money 00:07:14.075 --> 00:07:16.974 into everything, you know, and they know the likelihood of winning this 00:07:16.975 --> 00:07:18.795 close to zilch, like every other draw. 00:07:18.855 --> 00:07:19.165 Right. 00:07:19.395 --> 00:07:21.975 But it's, for them, it's just a way of giving and it's, it's something 00:07:21.975 --> 00:07:25.675 that really impresses me how, how tight knit this specific community 00:07:25.675 --> 00:07:26.635 is really started to become. 00:07:27.020 --> 00:07:27.320 Travis Bader: Yeah. 00:07:27.729 --> 00:07:29.869 Yeah, the amount of money these organizations raise. 00:07:29.989 --> 00:07:32.650 Uh, Wild Sheep Foundation in the States? 00:07:33.789 --> 00:07:35.400 How much did that ticket go for? 00:07:35.754 --> 00:07:37.874 Wasn't that a record, a record record? 00:07:37.874 --> 00:07:38.395 700k 00:07:38.395 --> 00:07:38.835 Sean Zubor: or something? 00:07:38.844 --> 00:07:39.314 US? 00:07:39.554 --> 00:07:40.314 I thought it was over a million. 00:07:40.374 --> 00:07:40.934 Over a million? 00:07:40.984 --> 00:07:41.705 Joe Eppele: Wasn't it over a million? 00:07:41.775 --> 00:07:45.254 Yeah, I think the, the, I'm trying to remember the exact number. 00:07:45.305 --> 00:07:47.554 See, you have all the numbers, you're the man with the numbers. 00:07:47.554 --> 00:07:47.555 I didn't. 00:07:47.555 --> 00:07:49.444 You're supposed to have them all memorized. 00:07:49.444 --> 00:07:50.604 I wanted to remember you ahead of time. 00:07:50.635 --> 00:07:51.705 This is where we need Kyle. 00:07:51.734 --> 00:07:53.974 Kyle would have that on the tip of his tongue. 00:07:54.054 --> 00:07:54.515 Absolutely. 00:07:54.594 --> 00:07:56.124 Travis Bader: Actually, Joe, I got something here for you. 00:07:56.794 --> 00:07:59.255 I was going to give it to you last time I was at your place. 00:07:59.685 --> 00:08:00.735 Completely forgot. 00:08:01.200 --> 00:08:01.909 There you go. 00:08:01.950 --> 00:08:04.780 Here's an official crab measure when you're out there in Squamish. 00:08:04.990 --> 00:08:08.070 Yes, it has my name on it So if it gets lost, it'll be returned. 00:08:08.590 --> 00:08:09.349 Joe Eppele: I love it. 00:08:09.359 --> 00:08:12.339 That is a big boy crab measure I got this little rinky dink thing, 00:08:12.339 --> 00:08:14.899 but this is a Absolutely perfect 00:08:15.000 --> 00:08:16.219 Travis Bader: floating on that guy. 00:08:16.240 --> 00:08:16.939 You're out there. 00:08:16.939 --> 00:08:18.949 You're in the water drop it. 00:08:18.950 --> 00:08:21.700 It's all good And it's not going to break or crack. 00:08:22.090 --> 00:08:23.289 That's a commercial crab measure. 00:08:23.590 --> 00:08:24.210 Joe Eppele: Thank you very much. 00:08:24.210 --> 00:08:24.840 I appreciate it. 00:08:26.460 --> 00:08:28.020 Travis Bader: I forgot that one from the last time. 00:08:28.099 --> 00:08:28.700 Joe Eppele: I love it. 00:08:29.010 --> 00:08:29.189 Travis Bader: Yeah. 00:08:29.319 --> 00:08:31.460 That's one of the things I see here at the show. 00:08:31.874 --> 00:08:35.954 Everybody here is very, very passionate about the outdoors. 00:08:35.964 --> 00:08:40.084 And we've got hunters, we've got anglers, we have people who are into 00:08:40.084 --> 00:08:44.694 mountain hunting, we've got people who are into a whitetail, into a 00:08:45.044 --> 00:08:47.964 blacktail, into a mule deer, into moose. 00:08:48.135 --> 00:08:50.194 I mean, it's the whole gamut here. 00:08:50.865 --> 00:08:54.675 But when I talk with people, what it really boils down to, it's 00:08:54.675 --> 00:08:56.535 just their love of being outside. 00:08:56.795 --> 00:08:59.755 Just their love with that connection with their natural environment. 00:09:01.155 --> 00:09:01.574 Sean Zubor: I think. 00:09:02.080 --> 00:09:05.960 I think the world we're in right now. 00:09:05.960 --> 00:09:08.050 I think there's a lot of positive change happening. 00:09:08.050 --> 00:09:11.039 There's been a lot of crazy stuff over the last few years or decades. 00:09:11.039 --> 00:09:15.600 And we've been kind of, uh, uh, what's the best way going away from our 00:09:15.600 --> 00:09:18.770 traditions of hunting, but I think a lot of guys out there, like you have, 00:09:18.770 --> 00:09:22.850 like the Joe Rogans of the world, you guys that are really kind of promoting 00:09:23.180 --> 00:09:26.510 what it's all about, and I think it is. 00:09:26.910 --> 00:09:30.100 I think the general public, and I'm hoping that this is coming across, the 00:09:30.100 --> 00:09:32.690 general public is starting to realize it's not just about killing animals. 00:09:32.700 --> 00:09:35.600 It's really about getting out there as a community, it's family, it's, 00:09:36.000 --> 00:09:37.710 it's, uh, so many different things. 00:09:37.710 --> 00:09:41.440 It's wildlife in its, in and of itself, protecting our resources, right? 00:09:41.440 --> 00:09:44.509 Like, even if we look at history, there wouldn't be any national parks in the 00:09:44.510 --> 00:09:48.390 States if there wasn't Theodore Roosevelt, you know, and, you know, one of my idols, 00:09:48.390 --> 00:09:50.120 and that guy was a massive hunter, right? 00:09:50.120 --> 00:09:52.280 So, um, it's nice to see. 00:09:52.910 --> 00:09:55.980 It becoming cool again, for lack of a word, to get out there and hunt. 00:09:56.030 --> 00:09:56.860 Why do you think that is? 00:09:57.140 --> 00:09:58.660 Travis Bader: Why is it becoming cool again? 00:10:00.540 --> 00:10:01.340 Joe Eppele: Joe, what do you think? 00:10:01.430 --> 00:10:02.380 Travis Bader: It's because of people like Joe. 00:10:03.060 --> 00:10:04.179 I would not, I would not put 00:10:04.450 --> 00:10:05.460 Joe Eppele: my name on that one. 00:10:05.840 --> 00:10:10.570 Um, I honestly think, uh, everybody hates to talk about COVID, but I 00:10:10.580 --> 00:10:13.970 think during COVID, there was a big push when we had all those confined. 00:10:14.120 --> 00:10:15.430 You know, you weren't allowed to travel outside. 00:10:15.430 --> 00:10:18.820 Then they deemed food acquisition as an essential service. 00:10:18.820 --> 00:10:21.010 So people could fish and people could hunt and still travel. 00:10:21.425 --> 00:10:24.885 But it seemed like everybody stopped being so busy with traveling to 00:10:24.885 --> 00:10:26.975 distant places and they started looking at what was around them. 00:10:26.975 --> 00:10:31.254 But I think there was a big push back into holistic nutrition, you know, 00:10:31.264 --> 00:10:33.834 becoming physically fit, getting outdoors. 00:10:33.854 --> 00:10:35.394 And I did notice a big uptake. 00:10:35.394 --> 00:10:39.404 I think that was some of the biggest spikes we've had in, uh, fishing license 00:10:39.404 --> 00:10:43.274 sales, new tags, new hunters coming into the fold from what I read back then. 00:10:43.514 --> 00:10:45.794 Um, and I just think it's transition people really. 00:10:46.109 --> 00:10:49.839 Slow down and looked at what mattered the most and you talked about it earlier. 00:10:49.839 --> 00:10:52.349 It's all these people getting together about their love of the outdoors. 00:10:52.680 --> 00:10:56.010 All it takes is that will first trip into the mountains for most people. 00:10:56.010 --> 00:10:58.089 And right away, you either know if you love it or you hate it. 00:10:58.380 --> 00:11:00.750 And I think the vast majority of people have forgotten how much they 00:11:00.750 --> 00:11:02.359 truly love and rely on the outdoors. 00:11:02.625 --> 00:11:05.605 Because the outdoors teaches you so much about who you are as an 00:11:05.605 --> 00:11:08.005 individual, but it's also an opportunity. 00:11:08.005 --> 00:11:10.445 I mean, you see a lot of families walking around here with their kids, their 00:11:10.445 --> 00:11:12.605 second, third generation in the society. 00:11:12.995 --> 00:11:15.795 Um, and, and it's an opportunity for you to get out completely 00:11:15.795 --> 00:11:19.344 disconnect from everything and soak up what really matters the most. 00:11:19.385 --> 00:11:20.754 I mean, you get out there, it's humbling. 00:11:20.754 --> 00:11:23.980 It doesn't matter if you're, I mean, there's a lot of 00:11:23.980 --> 00:11:25.151 guides walking around here. 00:11:25.151 --> 00:11:29.095 You see guys at guide camp, there's millionaires and there's wrench pullers 00:11:29.095 --> 00:11:32.385 in the hunt camp and it's just, it's everything's broken down to the basics. 00:11:32.810 --> 00:11:36.079 And, um, I think that's a big part of what people are starting to see 00:11:36.079 --> 00:11:40.850 again is, you know, in a time where there's so much divide between groups, 00:11:40.850 --> 00:11:44.449 everybody seems like they're splitting, finding a community that's just, 00:11:44.479 --> 00:11:46.569 it brings everybody back together. 00:11:46.800 --> 00:11:49.329 And it doesn't matter, you know, if you're the richest guy in the room, the 00:11:49.329 --> 00:11:52.870 poorest guy in the room, whatever it is, like the mountains, you can't cheat the 00:11:52.870 --> 00:11:54.390 mountains, the mountains don't lie, right? 00:11:54.439 --> 00:11:57.270 Everybody is on the same playing field once you get out there. 00:11:57.709 --> 00:12:00.030 And I think there's just something special about that. 00:12:00.060 --> 00:12:02.050 And I mean, you guys see it this weekend. 00:12:02.060 --> 00:12:05.679 Like it's just such a good, warm environment being here this weekend, the 00:12:05.679 --> 00:12:09.810 banquets, you sit down and it's just, everybody's there having fun together. 00:12:09.850 --> 00:12:11.750 It's that kind of traditional value. 00:12:11.759 --> 00:12:13.479 It's those good community vibes. 00:12:13.839 --> 00:12:15.999 Um, I think people are starting to come back to that. 00:12:16.030 --> 00:12:19.930 And again, to your, to your note, you know, the, the Joe Rogans of the world, 00:12:20.280 --> 00:12:22.510 people like that certainly do put it on. 00:12:23.180 --> 00:12:27.500 Not a pedestal, but on a platform and they do it in a well placed way. 00:12:27.800 --> 00:12:30.670 Um, Travis, I think you do a phenomenal job in educating people 00:12:30.670 --> 00:12:32.720 and kind of breaching those divides. 00:12:32.980 --> 00:12:34.259 You know, there's a lot of education. 00:12:34.260 --> 00:12:35.380 We're opening the doors to people. 00:12:35.380 --> 00:12:38.470 I think there was a lot in the past where it was, it was made to be a community 00:12:38.470 --> 00:12:40.700 that was kind of kept to the side. 00:12:41.159 --> 00:12:43.779 And now all these other groups are trying to shut us down so much. 00:12:43.789 --> 00:12:46.700 It's like, okay, well, we need to open ourselves up, raise our 00:12:46.700 --> 00:12:50.900 voice because like our way of life is being targeted right now. 00:12:50.900 --> 00:12:52.120 And if we don't start standing up. 00:12:53.110 --> 00:12:55.689 We, we can't get by with just having small numbers anymore. 00:12:55.689 --> 00:12:56.930 We need large numbers. 00:12:56.939 --> 00:12:57.949 So we have a larger voice. 00:12:58.479 --> 00:13:01.629 So I think there's a lot of different pieces falling into place 00:13:01.629 --> 00:13:03.079 and why it's becoming popular. 00:13:03.560 --> 00:13:08.329 Um, but yeah, I think it ultimately comes down to just. 00:13:09.035 --> 00:13:11.974 Once you're in the mountains, the people that are getting pushed 00:13:11.984 --> 00:13:13.564 to expose themselves to it. 00:13:13.604 --> 00:13:15.634 Once you're out there, you really realize how important 00:13:15.634 --> 00:13:17.104 it is to have that way of life. 00:13:17.775 --> 00:13:18.864 Travis Bader: It is a grand leveler. 00:13:18.934 --> 00:13:24.004 And I haven't seen another activity that's so egalitarian in its nature. 00:13:24.004 --> 00:13:27.174 You've got, like, multi millionaires sitting down at the table. 00:13:27.224 --> 00:13:30.915 Last night we're at the table with, uh, three young hunting guides. 00:13:31.114 --> 00:13:32.131 Was it JT? 00:13:32.131 --> 00:13:33.504 Help me? 00:13:33.504 --> 00:13:33.754 Carter 00:13:33.754 --> 00:13:33.884 Joe Eppele: and 00:13:33.884 --> 00:13:34.444 Travis Bader: Carson. 00:13:34.614 --> 00:13:36.254 Yeah, Carter LaVallee and Carson. 00:13:36.775 --> 00:13:38.065 Carson Lavallee and Carter. 00:13:38.365 --> 00:13:39.105 No, I got it backwards. 00:13:39.475 --> 00:13:40.645 They'll crack me on here. 00:13:41.495 --> 00:13:43.385 They drove 12 hours to be down here. 00:13:43.425 --> 00:13:45.474 And I think they're sleeping in the trailer, they said, 00:13:45.505 --> 00:13:46.384 out in the parking lot. 00:13:46.584 --> 00:13:48.635 Joe Eppele: Don't tell anybody, because they'll get a ticket. 00:13:49.105 --> 00:13:50.895 But there is a horse trailer parked out front. 00:13:50.905 --> 00:13:53.144 The boys, they got off work Thursday night. 00:13:53.814 --> 00:13:57.475 And yeah, jumped in the pickup truck, drug their horse trailer out here. 00:13:57.475 --> 00:13:59.645 They just wanted to be here and experience it. 00:13:59.675 --> 00:14:00.655 Some boys from Alberta. 00:14:00.725 --> 00:14:00.995 Yep. 00:14:01.045 --> 00:14:03.085 Um, I've actually hunted with some way up north. 00:14:03.095 --> 00:14:04.515 They were wranglers on one of my trips. 00:14:04.555 --> 00:14:06.105 And just salt of the earth, guys. 00:14:06.120 --> 00:14:10.350 Just wanted to be here and be a part of the energy 00:14:10.580 --> 00:14:14.730 Travis Bader: right and and they fit in just side by side with the people 00:14:14.730 --> 00:14:20.160 who are multimillionaires and it's just Everyone's here for the exact same reason. 00:14:20.160 --> 00:14:21.520 It's for their love of the outdoors. 00:14:21.740 --> 00:14:22.320 That commonality, 00:14:23.100 --> 00:14:24.520 Sean Zubor: that ground that they share. 00:14:24.770 --> 00:14:28.640 And I think one of the things too is, is, and I'm sure, I mean, you guys all 00:14:28.650 --> 00:14:29.949 have kids, you got a brand new one. 00:14:29.950 --> 00:14:31.080 Congratulations. 00:14:31.360 --> 00:14:34.220 Um, my oldest hunter is turning 10. 00:14:34.259 --> 00:14:37.340 He's actually going to be in your course in March, as soon as he turns 10. 00:14:37.750 --> 00:14:40.100 And all he's talking about is going on his first bear hunt. 00:14:40.120 --> 00:14:43.120 We shot a few grouse last year, and a couple other things, super excited. 00:14:43.739 --> 00:14:46.979 I tell you, as I'm sure you guys are aware, they get sucked into 00:14:46.979 --> 00:14:51.649 the YouTube, to these iPads, to this, you know, these, these social 00:14:51.649 --> 00:14:53.029 networks that we're all a part of. 00:14:53.029 --> 00:14:53.659 Don't get me wrong. 00:14:53.689 --> 00:14:53.810 Sure. 00:14:53.810 --> 00:14:56.329 You know, we all, all do the YouTube and Instagram and all 00:14:56.329 --> 00:14:58.699 that jazz, but I, I think. 00:14:59.825 --> 00:15:06.084 As we become closer via social media, we really become much more separated and 00:15:06.104 --> 00:15:08.064 individualistic and so on and so forth. 00:15:08.064 --> 00:15:12.305 And we get these dopamine hits from people liking us and following us that 00:15:12.305 --> 00:15:15.154 are totally not real, you know what I mean, for lack of a better word. 00:15:15.525 --> 00:15:20.435 And I think there really is very few things in this world that we get to truly 00:15:20.435 --> 00:15:22.305 experience that is legitimately real. 00:15:22.714 --> 00:15:25.875 You know, and when you're in the forest, when you're in the bush, when you're got a 00:15:25.875 --> 00:15:28.625 pack on your back, and just like you guys said, it's the ultimate level, it makes 00:15:28.635 --> 00:15:32.324 no difference what that guy does, or has done in the past, or making money, doesn't 00:15:32.334 --> 00:15:36.444 make money, it's, you guys are both suffering, you know what I mean, you've 00:15:36.444 --> 00:15:41.000 both got packs, you're both going up the same mountain, like, it is, it is, The 00:15:41.000 --> 00:15:44.130 ultimate, um, equalizer of individuals. 00:15:44.130 --> 00:15:49.710 And, and I think it's very few times that I realize that I'm actually in the moment. 00:15:49.740 --> 00:15:53.210 I'm not thinking about, you know, what happened yesterday with business or 00:15:53.210 --> 00:15:55.920 where I'm planning or my goals are, or all these other things are just 00:15:55.920 --> 00:15:59.319 like, yeah, just don't fall off this cliff, you know, like do not die. 00:15:59.510 --> 00:16:00.060 Next step. 00:16:00.139 --> 00:16:00.989 That's about it. 00:16:00.989 --> 00:16:01.319 Right. 00:16:01.349 --> 00:16:05.939 So, um, yeah, it's, it's, uh, almost like a form of meditation 00:16:05.939 --> 00:16:06.960 to me in some sort of way. 00:16:06.970 --> 00:16:07.949 It's pretty, pretty awesome. 00:16:07.980 --> 00:16:08.919 Pretty profound for sure. 00:16:09.900 --> 00:16:14.410 Joe Eppele: So I think it's the best refresh, recharge, disconnect, whatever 00:16:14.410 --> 00:16:18.470 you, I call it like reconnecting by disconnecting, like, cause you go out 00:16:18.470 --> 00:16:21.680 there and you've never felt more at peace. 00:16:22.150 --> 00:16:24.380 Every time I go in the mountains, it feels like it brings life back into 00:16:24.380 --> 00:16:29.689 perspective because you truly do realize like how much of these anxiety driven 00:16:29.689 --> 00:16:32.859 behaviors or the stress you have going on on a day to day basis, how much 00:16:32.859 --> 00:16:34.810 of that is self imposed and not real. 00:16:35.050 --> 00:16:37.020 And once you're out there, it's like, okay, I'm in the mountains. 00:16:37.469 --> 00:16:40.860 Um, am I going to be warm enough to survive tonight? 00:16:41.000 --> 00:16:42.120 Am I going to have enough food? 00:16:42.150 --> 00:16:43.370 Am I going to have enough water? 00:16:43.640 --> 00:16:45.980 Like, it's literally shelter, food, heat. 00:16:46.239 --> 00:16:49.040 Like, that's what's going through your mind, and then in those moments, 00:16:49.040 --> 00:16:51.470 you know, when things are going, like, the hunt's tough, or whatever 00:16:51.470 --> 00:16:54.219 it is, you get weathered into your tent for two, three days, and it's 00:16:54.220 --> 00:16:55.730 like, okay, what do you miss the most? 00:16:55.730 --> 00:16:56.839 Do you miss your family? 00:16:57.100 --> 00:16:58.310 Like those types of things. 00:16:58.320 --> 00:17:00.120 So then all of a sudden everything falls into perspective. 00:17:00.120 --> 00:17:01.460 All that other stuff that you think matters. 00:17:01.460 --> 00:17:02.590 You're like, does it really matter? 00:17:02.890 --> 00:17:06.149 And it just, so then you come out of the mountains and it's like, everything 00:17:06.150 --> 00:17:10.349 in life makes sense and then you're back out for too long and everything, 00:17:10.380 --> 00:17:13.359 you know, it all gets muddled together and you start stressing about the wrong 00:17:13.359 --> 00:17:16.750 stuff and it's like, my wife will look at me sometimes and be like, you need to 00:17:16.750 --> 00:17:18.030 leave the house and go in the mountains. 00:17:18.060 --> 00:17:20.050 And I don't, I'm like, okay, she's doing that for me. 00:17:20.050 --> 00:17:22.079 And I try and tell myself she's doing that for me. 00:17:22.349 --> 00:17:25.959 Maybe she just wants me out of the house, but I do know that when I come back. 00:17:27.420 --> 00:17:32.165 I try and remember and lock that feeling in because Everything seems 00:17:32.165 --> 00:17:34.525 so clear in the day to day as soon as you come out of the mountains. 00:17:34.895 --> 00:17:37.415 But then once you get right back into that, that rat race and you're 00:17:37.415 --> 00:17:40.525 back on that spinning wheel, it's tough to keep it in that perspective. 00:17:41.455 --> 00:17:43.235 Travis Bader: I do have a hard time switching gears. 00:17:43.385 --> 00:17:46.375 Personally, I, if I'm in the mountains, if I'm out in the 00:17:46.375 --> 00:17:48.024 bush, I don't want to leave. 00:17:49.614 --> 00:17:53.655 When I come back into work and I got everything coming in, I find it hard 00:17:53.754 --> 00:17:55.014 to get back out into the mountains. 00:17:55.014 --> 00:17:57.945 I want to be out there, but I know I've got all these obligations and I 00:17:57.945 --> 00:17:59.224 got all this work I gotta get done. 00:17:59.615 --> 00:18:01.639 I have a hard time making a point. 00:18:01.940 --> 00:18:03.580 A smooth transition between them. 00:18:04.080 --> 00:18:04.360 It's 00:18:05.360 --> 00:18:08.060 Joe Eppele: yeah, it's, it's one of those funny things because like I said, it's, 00:18:09.590 --> 00:18:14.319 I mean, when you leave, you do get that opportunity to completely disconnect. 00:18:14.350 --> 00:18:17.230 But when you disconnect, I mean, as adults, we understand we have 00:18:17.230 --> 00:18:18.779 responsibilities in the real life. 00:18:18.779 --> 00:18:21.479 So you can't just walk away from it and completely forget 00:18:21.479 --> 00:18:22.670 that you do have bills to pay. 00:18:22.670 --> 00:18:24.010 You do have these. 00:18:24.630 --> 00:18:28.640 Not necessarily, they're not false imposed kind of responsibilities. 00:18:28.640 --> 00:18:32.260 They're real responsibilities as an adult, especially as providing males. 00:18:32.719 --> 00:18:35.340 Society tells us we have a lot of these responsibilities that 00:18:35.340 --> 00:18:36.499 we just have to do, right? 00:18:37.009 --> 00:18:39.899 So when we do step outside, you do go in the mountains. 00:18:39.990 --> 00:18:40.889 You get to be a kid again. 00:18:40.889 --> 00:18:42.450 You get to disconnect from all of that. 00:18:42.770 --> 00:18:47.750 Which is a freedom that many people that don't hunt never really, truly experience. 00:18:48.050 --> 00:18:52.220 But there is on some level, I have this guilt right up until the second 00:18:52.220 --> 00:18:54.949 my boots hit the dirt and I'm out of the truck or I'm out of service. 00:18:55.160 --> 00:18:58.840 I have this guilt of, you know, am I putting myself 00:18:58.840 --> 00:19:00.139 ahead of my responsibilities? 00:19:00.139 --> 00:19:02.750 Am I supposed to be, I don't wanna say a martyr, but like, are you 00:19:02.750 --> 00:19:06.530 supposed to just carry those burdens and eat it on a day to day basis? 00:19:07.115 --> 00:19:11.685 But over the years I've seen this knowledge of like, okay, yes, this 00:19:11.685 --> 00:19:14.685 time away is necessary because when I come back, I am such a better 00:19:14.685 --> 00:19:19.114 person that I'm able to do everything else and deal with those burdens 00:19:19.114 --> 00:19:22.135 and deal with those responsibilities at such a higher level that it's 00:19:22.135 --> 00:19:23.675 like this necessary give and take. 00:19:23.675 --> 00:19:24.044 It's like. 00:19:24.389 --> 00:19:26.350 When you're busy with work, you're a fit guy. 00:19:26.370 --> 00:19:30.180 When you're busy with work, sometimes work's getting so like, okay, I 00:19:30.190 --> 00:19:31.430 don't have a minute to spare today. 00:19:31.470 --> 00:19:32.510 I'm not going to go to the gym. 00:19:32.949 --> 00:19:34.319 You don't perform well that day. 00:19:34.319 --> 00:19:36.980 You've got this fog, this haze, and you don't realize it. 00:19:37.020 --> 00:19:38.340 Cause you're like, I'm just gonna keep my head down. 00:19:38.340 --> 00:19:39.349 I'm going to get through it. 00:19:39.370 --> 00:19:41.009 I don't have a minute to spare to get to the gym. 00:19:41.945 --> 00:19:46.065 If you take even 20 minutes to half an hour to do a quick workout, get the 00:19:46.065 --> 00:19:49.775 endorphins flowing, you're going to get twice as much done that day, but you 00:19:49.785 --> 00:19:51.435 had to sacrifice that window of time. 00:19:51.874 --> 00:19:55.725 And I really do think, you know, sometimes that time in the mountains 00:19:55.725 --> 00:19:57.415 is like that 20 to 30 minute workout. 00:19:57.415 --> 00:19:58.434 Sometimes it's only a day. 00:19:58.465 --> 00:20:03.645 Sometimes it's a 14 day trip if you're really lucky, but it will make you perform 00:20:03.645 --> 00:20:04.935 at such a higher level at everything else. 00:20:04.935 --> 00:20:08.504 Because again, you can prioritize, you can function at a higher rate. 00:20:08.874 --> 00:20:13.285 Sean Zubor: I think part of it for me too is, is um, Sheep 00:20:13.285 --> 00:20:17.465 hunting in general, I find it many times as a type two kind of fun. 00:20:17.495 --> 00:20:21.924 So if I'm going to two weeks and I'm down 17 pounds in 10 days, and 00:20:21.924 --> 00:20:24.954 I'm just like, there's a lot of times I'm looking at my in reach. 00:20:24.955 --> 00:20:26.485 I'm like that button looks good. 00:20:26.485 --> 00:20:27.914 The come save me button. 00:20:28.345 --> 00:20:31.375 So some of those times, and I'm like, I'm never going to do this again. 00:20:31.375 --> 00:20:31.915 That's happened. 00:20:32.175 --> 00:20:33.145 My first sheep hunt. 00:20:33.145 --> 00:20:36.365 And then on the flight out, I'm already booking the next flight in. 00:20:36.415 --> 00:20:36.715 Right. 00:20:36.715 --> 00:20:40.245 So I think it's, it's nice to have that disconnect, but. 00:20:41.074 --> 00:20:46.745 Just like you said, I think if it a puts everything in perspective for me Like 00:20:46.785 --> 00:20:50.524 it is crazy to me how many people that live in the lower mainland have never 00:20:50.524 --> 00:20:55.785 been past like Kelowna or God forbid Prince George and you talk about going 00:20:55.785 --> 00:21:00.835 up to like, you know, where Muncho Lake or something way up north there The 00:21:00.835 --> 00:21:04.834 beauty that we're surrounded with it just opens your eyes and most people 00:21:04.835 --> 00:21:10.964 have never actually Laid under the stars and seen an actual the stars without 00:21:10.975 --> 00:21:14.104 light pollution, you know Like you don't understand how bright it actually is 00:21:14.114 --> 00:21:16.305 what Milky Way actually looks like right? 00:21:16.655 --> 00:21:19.875 so I think it puts everything into perspective plus I'm a big believer 00:21:19.875 --> 00:21:23.865 just like in training that If you do difficult things and sheep hunting 00:21:23.865 --> 00:21:28.495 without a doubt is an incredibly difficult things in most cases, everything else 00:21:28.495 --> 00:21:31.284 in life just goes, comes a lot easier. 00:21:31.334 --> 00:21:34.064 You know, like, I'm like, Oh, I got to go to a business meeting. 00:21:34.064 --> 00:21:35.135 I got to wake up at five. 00:21:35.464 --> 00:21:36.024 Darn. 00:21:36.034 --> 00:21:37.294 Like that's a lot easier. 00:21:38.114 --> 00:21:39.104 Yeah, exactly. 00:21:39.994 --> 00:21:43.165 It's a lot easier than sleeping on in a tent, climbing up a 00:21:43.175 --> 00:21:44.635 mountain with a 90 pound pack. 00:21:44.635 --> 00:21:44.795 Right. 00:21:44.795 --> 00:21:48.085 Then I overpacked like usual, you know, it's, it's a completely, 00:21:48.115 --> 00:21:49.655 completely different beast for sure. 00:21:50.215 --> 00:21:51.245 Overpack as usual. 00:21:51.264 --> 00:21:53.845 Travis Bader: Yeah, it's so easy to do as well when you head out there. 00:21:54.254 --> 00:21:55.345 Do I want to be comfortable? 00:21:55.355 --> 00:21:56.455 Do I want to be lightweight? 00:21:56.504 --> 00:22:01.615 I mean, the, our, I mean, modern gear is getting better and you 00:22:01.615 --> 00:22:05.204 can get some lightweight stuff, but, uh, yeah, overpacking is one 00:22:05.204 --> 00:22:06.815 of my, I end up finding stashes. 00:22:06.835 --> 00:22:07.865 I don't know if you guys do that. 00:22:08.254 --> 00:22:10.754 I end up going out there and realizing, damn, I overpacked, and 00:22:10.754 --> 00:22:11.985 I find a place to stash my kit. 00:22:11.985 --> 00:22:12.854 I'm 00:22:12.934 --> 00:22:13.905 Joe Eppele: guilty for the same. 00:22:14.225 --> 00:22:17.004 Every time I come out of the bush, I try and go through, so I have a checklist. 00:22:17.004 --> 00:22:20.574 I have a Excel, online Excel sheet, and I weigh every item when I buy it. 00:22:20.574 --> 00:22:22.834 I weigh it so I know exactly what each individual piece weighs. 00:22:23.084 --> 00:22:24.084 So I have a checklist so I can. 00:22:24.564 --> 00:22:27.074 Check everything and it kind of totals my weight at the bottom tells 00:22:27.074 --> 00:22:30.515 you what I'm expected great I got my backpack exactly where I want it. 00:22:30.545 --> 00:22:35.484 And then all of a sudden as it's like 48 hours before I leave Maybe I need this. 00:22:35.544 --> 00:22:36.415 Oh, you know what? 00:22:36.434 --> 00:22:39.294 I checked the weather again I might need that and then the bag it's heavier 00:22:39.294 --> 00:22:41.314 and heavier and then every time I come out of the mountains I look 00:22:41.314 --> 00:22:42.994 at my list and I what didn't I use 00:22:43.215 --> 00:22:43.574 Sean Zubor: right 00:22:43.645 --> 00:22:45.324 Joe Eppele: right and then it's like, okay, you know what? 00:22:45.324 --> 00:22:47.760 maybe I didn't need to bring that but it's It's inevitable. 00:22:47.760 --> 00:22:51.250 There's always times I bring stuff I needed or I didn't need, I mean, but then 00:22:51.250 --> 00:22:54.240 there's a few things that I pulled after the last hunt, because I didn't use it and 00:22:54.240 --> 00:22:59.239 I'm up there and I'm like, I would give my left arm if I had that with me for the 00:22:59.249 --> 00:23:03.160 Travis Bader: staff tech because you're like, I overpacked, but if 00:23:03.160 --> 00:23:04.729 I need to, I can hike back down. 00:23:04.729 --> 00:23:05.529 I can grab this kit. 00:23:05.680 --> 00:23:06.259 That's a smart, 00:23:06.749 --> 00:23:07.540 Joe Eppele: I need to do that more. 00:23:11.274 --> 00:23:11.294 Travis Bader: Yeah. 00:23:11.294 --> 00:23:12.674 Just don't forget yourself up there. 00:23:12.674 --> 00:23:13.824 I've done that one before too. 00:23:13.914 --> 00:23:14.215 Sean Zubor: Yeah. 00:23:14.394 --> 00:23:15.745 I'm just, I'm the worst. 00:23:15.745 --> 00:23:19.554 I literally, I'm like, Oh, I need three knives because this one does this. 00:23:19.554 --> 00:23:20.504 This one does that. 00:23:20.505 --> 00:23:22.164 And I'm just like, Oh yeah. 00:23:22.204 --> 00:23:25.504 And then my back every single time I'm picking up my buddy's pack versus my pack. 00:23:25.504 --> 00:23:26.835 I'm like, what's going on here? 00:23:27.345 --> 00:23:28.275 Makes no sense. 00:23:28.304 --> 00:23:28.685 But yeah. 00:23:28.765 --> 00:23:28.975 And when 00:23:28.975 --> 00:23:30.475 Joe Eppele: you're six foot, what are you eight? 00:23:30.965 --> 00:23:31.245 Six. 00:23:31.355 --> 00:23:32.875 I've done some heavy, maybe like six. 00:23:32.925 --> 00:23:35.845 Seven and a half now, I've shrunk a bit. 00:23:35.845 --> 00:23:36.445 I'm sure over the, 00:23:36.625 --> 00:23:39.105 Travis Bader: yeah, everything you own weighs more, your boots, 00:23:39.255 --> 00:23:42.445 way more, your pants, way more, your jacket weighs more food, 00:23:42.745 --> 00:23:46.195 Joe Eppele: food is the biggest struggle for me is I've found that 00:23:46.195 --> 00:23:50.244 I'm constantly going, okay, am I going to have enough calories for the day? 00:23:50.244 --> 00:23:52.285 I want to be right at that bonk level where at the end of the 00:23:52.285 --> 00:23:53.605 day, I'm kind of just fading. 00:23:54.620 --> 00:23:57.179 It's one of those things where it's like, okay, you want to sneak in a bit 00:23:57.179 --> 00:23:59.870 more calories, but as soon as you have more calories, you're packed heavier and 00:23:59.870 --> 00:24:01.159 you're gonna be burning more calories. 00:24:01.910 --> 00:24:05.109 But I, my favorite thing though, is when you're on the mountain every 00:24:05.109 --> 00:24:08.749 day, I'm like, Oh, I just each day, my backpack, I'm like, I got 1. 00:24:08.749 --> 00:24:09.680 6 pounds later today. 00:24:10.029 --> 00:24:10.790 This is great. 00:24:10.810 --> 00:24:12.800 That mountain's going to feel a little bit easier tomorrow. 00:24:13.169 --> 00:24:13.379 Travis Bader: Yeah. 00:24:13.560 --> 00:24:13.680 Do you 00:24:13.720 --> 00:24:14.020 Joe Eppele: have a go 00:24:14.020 --> 00:24:14.660 Travis Bader: to food? 00:24:14.670 --> 00:24:15.960 Something that you have to have in your back? 00:24:16.005 --> 00:24:21.335 Joe Eppele: Well, um, maybe a little luxury food, you know, one luxury food. 00:24:21.335 --> 00:24:22.815 They're actually here at the show. 00:24:23.185 --> 00:24:24.515 Um, Bruce, I got him to come. 00:24:24.515 --> 00:24:25.745 It's a BC company, Enercheese. 00:24:25.745 --> 00:24:26.125 The cheese 00:24:26.125 --> 00:24:27.755 Travis Bader: that he's over there. 00:24:27.755 --> 00:24:28.255 Joe Eppele: So it's great. 00:24:28.255 --> 00:24:30.385 It's just like a freeze dried cheese, which is good. 00:24:30.465 --> 00:24:35.025 But the trick that I realized last year, so I. I love a good fatty dinner at night. 00:24:35.255 --> 00:24:37.475 I take a few of those freeze dried chunks of cheese and I 00:24:37.505 --> 00:24:39.304 throw them in my peak dinner. 00:24:39.774 --> 00:24:42.304 And it'll actually kind of like get gooey again. 00:24:42.334 --> 00:24:42.794 Sean Zubor: Yeah. 00:24:42.975 --> 00:24:45.495 Joe Eppele: That is a guilty, guilty pleasure of mine. 00:24:45.624 --> 00:24:46.294 Sean Zubor: Yeah, that makes sense. 00:24:46.435 --> 00:24:48.034 It's just gonna rehydrate basically, right? 00:24:48.204 --> 00:24:49.504 Joe Eppele: So I thought it was just gonna kind of powder 00:24:49.504 --> 00:24:50.675 and give it that cheese flavor. 00:24:50.754 --> 00:24:53.135 But it actually does turn into that gooey cheese again, so. 00:24:53.555 --> 00:24:54.535 We're all drooling now. 00:24:54.535 --> 00:24:56.335 We might have to take, we're going to take a break. 00:24:56.345 --> 00:24:58.924 We're going to be right back. 00:24:59.005 --> 00:25:00.765 Travis Bader: I do like those cheesies for me. 00:25:00.775 --> 00:25:01.934 It was always the one I'd bring out. 00:25:02.135 --> 00:25:02.525 Hawkins 00:25:03.135 --> 00:25:03.335 Sean Zubor: cheesies. 00:25:03.335 --> 00:25:04.565 Travis Bader: Yeah, they're lightweight. 00:25:04.595 --> 00:25:05.875 I put them in little plastic bags. 00:25:05.875 --> 00:25:07.185 I divvy it up every single day. 00:25:07.185 --> 00:25:08.205 I have to be disciplined. 00:25:08.515 --> 00:25:09.985 I do not crave sweets. 00:25:10.074 --> 00:25:11.044 I do crave salt. 00:25:11.370 --> 00:25:12.790 What about the mountains? 00:25:12.790 --> 00:25:13.080 Yeah, 00:25:13.149 --> 00:25:15.830 Sean Zubor: I used to bring like sweets, like, especially like, um, you know, 00:25:15.830 --> 00:25:19.570 where they give you, uh, for Halloween or something like that, the kid's stuff, 00:25:19.870 --> 00:25:23.480 but then you're just, your gut just gets nasty after a while from that stuff. 00:25:23.480 --> 00:25:26.639 So now it's mainly, I'm just using peak 99 percent of the time, but 00:25:26.860 --> 00:25:29.700 when I threw him last year's hunt or this year's hunt, I should say. 00:25:30.455 --> 00:25:33.995 Last year's on technically, I guess, um, was protein powder. 00:25:33.995 --> 00:25:35.285 I've never done that before. 00:25:35.645 --> 00:25:37.855 And, uh, so there's kind of like a meal replacement. 00:25:37.855 --> 00:25:39.835 It's a little bit higher calorie protein power. 00:25:39.835 --> 00:25:41.055 Cause we always take protein bars. 00:25:41.055 --> 00:25:43.364 Cause for breakfast, we don't, we never really have breakfast. 00:25:43.364 --> 00:25:47.364 It's just coffee and, you know, cliff bar or whatever, and kind of get going. 00:25:47.375 --> 00:25:52.325 But, um, this protein powder was pretty, it was pretty good in the overall size. 00:25:52.640 --> 00:25:56.540 is it doesn't take up too much size, not too much weight. 00:25:56.550 --> 00:25:59.120 You're getting calories and it's a lot of protein, longer lasting. 00:25:59.120 --> 00:26:01.210 So I think I'll probably try that again next year. 00:26:01.280 --> 00:26:04.660 Maybe I won't bring as much as I did last time, but we're pretty good. 00:26:04.800 --> 00:26:05.470 Speaking of powders, 00:26:05.470 --> 00:26:08.090 Joe Eppele: one thing I've done to kind of extend the amount of calories I have in my 00:26:08.090 --> 00:26:11.819 meals is, uh, well, for my dinners, I open them up and I normally do one and a half 00:26:11.850 --> 00:26:13.760 dinners per pouch and then I reseal it. 00:26:13.990 --> 00:26:16.980 But the other thing I do is I'll add in some scoops of MCT powder. 00:26:17.490 --> 00:26:18.170 Sean Zubor: It's just 00:26:18.210 --> 00:26:22.170 Joe Eppele: that quick fat into the system and it's super lightweight. 00:26:22.230 --> 00:26:22.909 So I'll do that. 00:26:23.255 --> 00:26:25.755 Sometimes some scoops of bone broth or something like that. 00:26:25.915 --> 00:26:26.655 Throw that in there. 00:26:26.685 --> 00:26:28.035 Does the MCT mess with your stomach 00:26:28.035 --> 00:26:28.315 Sean Zubor: at all? 00:26:28.615 --> 00:26:30.865 Joe Eppele: I've never personally, I've never had issues with it. 00:26:30.915 --> 00:26:32.765 Um, I don't do like, you know, 00:26:32.774 --> 00:26:33.595 Sean Zubor: big amounts too 00:26:33.595 --> 00:26:34.045 Joe Eppele: aggressive. 00:26:34.045 --> 00:26:35.715 I just sneak a little bit extra in there. 00:26:36.075 --> 00:26:36.795 Um, I do that. 00:26:36.825 --> 00:26:39.885 And then in my oatmeal is all openable and I'll put a bit of MCT powder 00:26:39.885 --> 00:26:41.179 and some powdered peanut butter. 00:26:41.670 --> 00:26:43.920 So I thought powdered peanut butter when I first got it, I was like, Oh, it's great. 00:26:43.920 --> 00:26:46.200 Cause it's going to be so high in calories like peanut butter. 00:26:46.470 --> 00:26:49.840 It's high in protein, but the thing is the, a lot of the fat, I guess, 00:26:49.860 --> 00:26:53.209 in peanut butter comes from the oils that they use to keep it that way. 00:26:53.209 --> 00:26:54.260 So when you dehydrate it. 00:26:54.620 --> 00:26:55.850 You lose a lot of those oils. 00:26:55.860 --> 00:27:02.080 So that's, that's originally what I, why I happened on MCT powder is 00:27:02.080 --> 00:27:04.759 because I used to bring individual packs of peanut butter and I rip it 00:27:04.760 --> 00:27:06.060 open and dump it in all my meals. 00:27:06.060 --> 00:27:07.450 And then I was like, Oh, I'm gonna use the powder. 00:27:07.590 --> 00:27:09.430 It's going to be the same as the peanut butter. 00:27:09.810 --> 00:27:10.499 And it wasn't. 00:27:10.680 --> 00:27:12.470 So I was like, well, how do I get that fat back in? 00:27:12.510 --> 00:27:14.069 Then I found the MCT powder. 00:27:14.520 --> 00:27:17.500 And then I was like, well, I don't just need to use this in my breakfast. 00:27:17.500 --> 00:27:19.720 I'll use the powder in my dinners and everything. 00:27:19.720 --> 00:27:20.130 And it's. 00:27:20.895 --> 00:27:21.825 It kind of works out well. 00:27:21.825 --> 00:27:21.995 It works 00:27:22.025 --> 00:27:23.515 Sean Zubor: for more things, because peanut butter, you're not going to 00:27:23.515 --> 00:27:26.415 throw in like a spaghetti or something like that anyways, where you can 00:27:26.415 --> 00:27:27.785 throw in MCT, no problem, right? 00:27:27.795 --> 00:27:28.315 Exactly. 00:27:28.545 --> 00:27:29.265 And yeah, just 00:27:29.795 --> 00:27:31.165 Joe Eppele: sneaking some of those calories in, it just 00:27:31.185 --> 00:27:31.995 boosts you a little bit. 00:27:32.355 --> 00:27:35.684 Sean Zubor: Okay, so, uh, quick question, because we bumped into 00:27:35.725 --> 00:27:40.384 at, uh, you were with me, I think, at my, uh, booth, uh, Rod Galtica? 00:27:40.385 --> 00:27:40.985 Giltaca? 00:27:41.095 --> 00:27:41.665 Giltaca? 00:27:41.665 --> 00:27:42.785 Yeah, that's right. 00:27:42.845 --> 00:27:43.065 Yeah. 00:27:43.465 --> 00:27:47.655 Um, with the CCFR, super nice guy, huge into what they're doing. 00:27:48.075 --> 00:27:52.235 What's your guys thoughts with, um To get a little bit more political because that's 00:27:52.285 --> 00:27:53.504 kind of the stuff we've been talking. 00:27:53.785 --> 00:27:54.305 Uh oh. 00:27:54.305 --> 00:27:56.214 Dun dun dun. 00:27:56.215 --> 00:27:57.355 He's going to edit this part out. 00:27:57.655 --> 00:28:01.865 Um, What's your guys thoughts with what's happening? 00:28:01.885 --> 00:28:03.905 Obviously there's rumors of elections coming. 00:28:03.914 --> 00:28:07.034 How do you guys think that's going to affect obviously gun ownership and, 00:28:07.734 --> 00:28:09.844 uh, more important, us as hunters? 00:28:10.285 --> 00:28:12.105 What are your guys thoughts, and this is kind of a two pronged 00:28:12.105 --> 00:28:13.995 question, on grizzlies coming back? 00:28:15.015 --> 00:28:18.325 I've heard it's a possibility, I don't know what's happened, but 00:28:18.674 --> 00:28:21.795 I've been told by some COs that it might be in the works somehow. 00:28:22.865 --> 00:28:27.474 Joe Eppele: I mean, from my experience in the field lately, I would say the 00:28:27.474 --> 00:28:31.234 conflict we're having with grizzly bears has increased drastically. 00:28:31.294 --> 00:28:35.085 I mean, it's increased drastically over the past maybe 8 to 10 years. 00:28:35.365 --> 00:28:39.065 But I would say it's been sped up at such an extreme rate over the last 00:28:39.065 --> 00:28:43.395 few years since the hunt's been shut down where something has to change. 00:28:43.744 --> 00:28:49.324 Um, and if they are smart in office, they will go, okay, well, 00:28:49.324 --> 00:28:51.364 these bears are becoming an issue. 00:28:51.675 --> 00:28:55.565 How can we generate revenue from this that can give back? 00:28:55.915 --> 00:28:58.765 To the monitoring of these species give back, because I mean, the hunts 00:28:58.775 --> 00:29:02.725 previously brought a lot of money to the table, not just for the bears, 00:29:02.745 --> 00:29:04.145 but for other species as well. 00:29:04.155 --> 00:29:04.415 Right. 00:29:04.415 --> 00:29:07.764 So shutting that down was the very, we got an announcement. 00:29:07.764 --> 00:29:08.824 Should we pause for a second? 00:29:09.224 --> 00:29:12.534 But shutting that down was a very, very nearsighted, short sighted. 00:29:12.604 --> 00:29:15.094 I mean, if they had to do anything, maybe they should have shrunk the 00:29:15.094 --> 00:29:18.554 numbers a bit, but, but something's going to happen here pretty soon, 00:29:18.564 --> 00:29:21.614 whether it's the government stepping in and doing it silently and spending 00:29:21.614 --> 00:29:24.145 taxpayers dollars to make it to reduce. 00:29:24.625 --> 00:29:29.725 The numbers essentially, or opening things back up in a way that can 00:29:29.804 --> 00:29:33.675 generate that revenue and create some positivity that comes from it. 00:29:33.934 --> 00:29:39.564 And I mean, if you look at it in that way, I mean, yes, we are biased, obviously, 00:29:40.004 --> 00:29:45.324 but if you just look at that and you take emotion out of it, it is hard to argue 00:29:45.764 --> 00:29:49.835 against that type of approach, which is I think what we all struggle with is, yes, 00:29:49.845 --> 00:29:51.505 we're biased, so we want to bring it back. 00:29:51.985 --> 00:29:55.085 But the other side is just so passionate. 00:29:55.545 --> 00:29:58.845 Against it that they're it's like when you're in an argument with somebody like 00:29:58.885 --> 00:30:01.785 I don't care if I make sense or not I just need to show that I'm right and 00:30:01.785 --> 00:30:05.235 it's like okay But are you even listening to the words coming out of your mouth? 00:30:05.385 --> 00:30:07.565 Travis Bader: Well, it's hard to fight emotion with logic 00:30:07.675 --> 00:30:07.945 Joe Eppele: Yes, 00:30:07.975 --> 00:30:11.855 Travis Bader: you can't do it I mean you could be as logical as you want and 00:30:11.895 --> 00:30:14.590 you're having that argument with the person who's highly emotional You're 00:30:14.590 --> 00:30:18.160 going to have to let them have their emotional bit, but we don't have to 00:30:18.170 --> 00:30:20.850 give that emotion the power behind it. 00:30:20.860 --> 00:30:24.500 We don't have to start eliminating or making policy changes or legislative 00:30:24.500 --> 00:30:27.340 changes based on something that is, that's purely emotional. 00:30:27.840 --> 00:30:28.690 And I, I get it. 00:30:28.710 --> 00:30:33.280 I, I remember years ago, um, Corporation of Delta, before it became the City 00:30:33.280 --> 00:30:35.790 of Delta, they had a, a meeting there. 00:30:35.790 --> 00:30:38.940 They said, look, we're thinking about doing what Surrey did and we're going to. 00:30:39.405 --> 00:30:42.585 We're not going to get rid of the gun stores and the firearms businesses, 00:30:42.605 --> 00:30:46.865 but we're going to put a moratorium existing ones can stay But anyone 00:30:46.865 --> 00:30:48.985 new they can't come in and man. 00:30:49.035 --> 00:30:50.195 I had all my logic. 00:30:50.275 --> 00:30:54.435 I had all my stats I had all my stuff and I'm up there at City 00:30:54.435 --> 00:30:58.705 Hall going through my stuff and I think was his name Barry Conkin. 00:30:58.705 --> 00:31:02.855 I think was his name says hold on Travis Like I see you have a bunch 00:31:02.855 --> 00:31:06.065 of pages like how much more of this you have I said, well, I don't know 00:31:06.065 --> 00:31:07.415 I got I start going through it. 00:31:07.415 --> 00:31:09.350 He says I'm gonna stop you right there. 00:31:09.580 --> 00:31:10.970 I agree with you a hundred percent. 00:31:11.120 --> 00:31:12.570 Everything you say makes sense. 00:31:13.610 --> 00:31:16.820 O okay, so why are you contemplating this change then, right? 00:31:17.650 --> 00:31:20.220 He says it's got nothing to do with what makes sense. 00:31:20.230 --> 00:31:22.140 It's got nothing to do with what I agree with. 00:31:22.190 --> 00:31:25.180 It's got to do with what we think the constituents want, and if we 00:31:25.180 --> 00:31:29.560 have a vocal Constituency who says this is what we want, then we're 00:31:29.560 --> 00:31:30.680 going to have to entertain it. 00:31:30.850 --> 00:31:34.460 They didn't end up enacting the moratorium like they're going to, 00:31:34.490 --> 00:31:37.890 but they at least went through the motions of seriously considering it. 00:31:38.440 --> 00:31:43.610 So I, I think when it comes to the bear one, I as well have heard that they 00:31:43.610 --> 00:31:45.550 will be bringing bear hunting back in. 00:31:46.020 --> 00:31:49.290 I have had negative grizzly bear encounters. 00:31:49.950 --> 00:31:55.000 We have a generation of grizzly bears now who have grown up to not be afraid 00:31:55.150 --> 00:31:57.500 of humans, not have a respect for humans. 00:31:58.160 --> 00:32:03.350 I tried to scare one off that was getting way, way, way too close and 00:32:03.350 --> 00:32:07.260 I fired around beside it thinking that big boom, that concussive 00:32:07.260 --> 00:32:08.910 force, that'll get it going off. 00:32:08.970 --> 00:32:10.260 It didn't even flinch. 00:32:10.340 --> 00:32:13.470 It didn't associate that with danger or me with danger. 00:32:13.580 --> 00:32:13.610 I 00:32:14.200 --> 00:32:17.780 Joe Eppele: think sometimes I'm in my experience, that boom now for them is 00:32:17.780 --> 00:32:19.040 more associated with the dinner bell. 00:32:19.080 --> 00:32:19.560 Travis Bader: That's right. 00:32:19.890 --> 00:32:21.470 Joe Eppele: Because they hear that and they go, okay, maybe 00:32:21.470 --> 00:32:22.390 there's going to be a gut pile. 00:32:22.390 --> 00:32:23.520 There's something for me to go find. 00:32:23.520 --> 00:32:25.760 I'm going to go look closer into that. 00:32:25.770 --> 00:32:27.150 So we've had issues. 00:32:27.150 --> 00:32:28.740 Yeah, we were coming out from an elk hunt. 00:32:28.740 --> 00:32:28.830 We. 00:32:29.270 --> 00:32:33.940 And I'm quite confident that the gunshot itself is what pulled that bear in on us. 00:32:34.030 --> 00:32:34.610 Sean Zubor: Well, it's crazy. 00:32:34.610 --> 00:32:38.440 I've been hunting since I was 10 years old and up until maybe 00:32:38.450 --> 00:32:40.890 five years ago, and I'm 40 now. 00:32:41.360 --> 00:32:44.330 Um, up until five years ago, I never really even saw grizzly and 00:32:44.330 --> 00:32:47.320 wild, like maybe one in the distance and we were hunting up north with 00:32:47.320 --> 00:32:48.570 my dad and so on and so forth. 00:32:49.280 --> 00:32:53.110 Now, there isn't a trip where I don't see one, even in places like Cache Creek 00:32:53.110 --> 00:32:56.790 and Hunter Mile and so on and so forth that aren't renowned for grizzly bears. 00:32:57.100 --> 00:32:59.510 They're out there everywhere, just like the wolves and we, now 00:32:59.510 --> 00:33:02.770 obviously we have a call in a lot of different places on the wolves. 00:33:02.770 --> 00:33:06.440 There's still a ton of them, but last year on my sheep hunt, or 00:33:06.440 --> 00:33:07.470 this year, sorry, on my sheep hunt. 00:33:07.745 --> 00:33:08.925 We saw three of them. 00:33:08.935 --> 00:33:09.905 One went through our camp. 00:33:09.905 --> 00:33:11.825 The other one was chasing us down while we were leaving. 00:33:11.825 --> 00:33:13.165 Like it was insane. 00:33:13.185 --> 00:33:19.895 And when on our way out, uh, we took the, Jason brought us up there on the jet boat. 00:33:20.275 --> 00:33:24.715 And, uh, excuse me, on our way out, I was actually with Chuck was on the 00:33:24.745 --> 00:33:28.965 same boat with me from spike camp and we're chatting and apparently, 00:33:28.965 --> 00:33:32.095 and don't quote this number, but it's something ridiculous like this, that. 00:33:32.450 --> 00:33:38.130 In the last decade that they had the open grizzly hunt, right, it's something 00:33:38.130 --> 00:33:42.790 like 90 percent of all these grizzlies that were shot weren't on a purpose hunt. 00:33:42.860 --> 00:33:45.180 They weren't out there hunting grizzlies. 00:33:45.210 --> 00:33:48.580 They were in an elk hunt, they were in a sheep hunt, they were in a moose 00:33:48.580 --> 00:33:51.960 hunt, and they all had tags, they were all legally taken, but these were 00:33:51.970 --> 00:33:53.830 problem bearers coming into camps. 00:33:53.970 --> 00:33:55.040 They were taking the meat. 00:33:55.070 --> 00:33:58.500 They were, you know, being aggressive, putting humans at risk. 00:33:58.890 --> 00:33:59.230 End. 00:33:59.580 --> 00:34:03.870 It was a massive majority of all bear shot were problem bears, right? 00:34:03.910 --> 00:34:05.850 And now who's got to take care of it. 00:34:06.220 --> 00:34:09.430 You talk to the guys, the CEOs that are working up in Dawson and so on and so 00:34:09.430 --> 00:34:13.020 forth, like 95 percent of their calls are taking care of some kind of bear. 00:34:13.330 --> 00:34:17.110 That's a nuisance bear that a hunter could have taken care of when, you 00:34:17.110 --> 00:34:19.480 know, they were protecting their, their meat and whatever it is. 00:34:19.490 --> 00:34:24.450 So it's not even the, you're now allowing these problem bears, like you 00:34:24.450 --> 00:34:26.430 said, they're, it's a generation of. 00:34:26.880 --> 00:34:28.920 Problem bears, you know, or, or issues with them. 00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:30.480 So it's interesting to say. 00:34:30.520 --> 00:34:31.630 So what about the gun stuff? 00:34:32.520 --> 00:34:33.200 Travis Bader: The gun stuff. 00:34:33.200 --> 00:34:37.380 Well, before we do the gun stuff, because I know my ADH you'll kick in and I wanted 00:34:37.380 --> 00:34:40.800 to ask the question, cause we talked about gut piles, bears looking for a 00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:47.950 gut pile, the Ravens flying overhead, oftentimes indicator, all the birds 00:34:47.950 --> 00:34:49.240 come around that you've got a gut pile. 00:34:49.680 --> 00:34:51.970 I got a theory and I'm going to throw it by you too. 00:34:52.250 --> 00:34:55.890 I have a theory that the bears will look at these Ravens and they'll say, 00:34:55.910 --> 00:34:57.750 Oh, probably a gut pile down below. 00:34:58.505 --> 00:35:00.585 And I've been playing that theory a little bit. 00:35:00.615 --> 00:35:01.975 These birds are really smart. 00:35:02.355 --> 00:35:05.225 What if these birds are like, I want a gut pile. 00:35:05.615 --> 00:35:09.395 Because sometimes it feels like they're indicating to me, when I'm out 00:35:09.415 --> 00:35:11.515 there, of where an animal could be. 00:35:11.815 --> 00:35:14.715 Because I've been starting to pay attention to the ravens 00:35:14.815 --> 00:35:17.015 and finding success in my hunt. 00:35:17.075 --> 00:35:17.705 Have you guys done that? 00:35:17.705 --> 00:35:18.439 There's, there's 00:35:19.450 --> 00:35:21.200 Joe Eppele: I don't know if you want to call it folklore or like 00:35:21.220 --> 00:35:22.360 it's an old mountain man myth. 00:35:22.360 --> 00:35:23.800 And I know it's something that was present. 00:35:23.860 --> 00:35:26.520 Um, some first nation, that's part of it as well. 00:35:26.800 --> 00:35:29.980 But there is a respect with the birds of prey like Ravens. 00:35:30.040 --> 00:35:34.880 And they do say that there's, there's been a lot of stories and a lot of 00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:36.770 tales of that being a part of it. 00:35:36.780 --> 00:35:38.970 There's definitely an understanding about certain people. 00:35:39.100 --> 00:35:42.420 It's also like, I mean, I don't know if it's on the same vein, but like 00:35:42.420 --> 00:35:44.540 if you're going in the mountains and you see an owl or something, 00:35:44.540 --> 00:35:45.560 it's supposed to be great luck. 00:35:45.600 --> 00:35:47.290 But, but yeah, I, I've heard a lot of. 00:35:47.695 --> 00:35:50.045 Stories of individuals that go out in the mountains, and they look for 00:35:50.045 --> 00:35:51.355 the ravens and crows and go, okay. 00:35:51.800 --> 00:35:53.100 I'm going to see where they take me today. 00:35:53.150 --> 00:35:55.500 Travis Bader: Yeah, I don't know if correlation is causation. 00:35:55.500 --> 00:35:58.180 I don't have enough data to be able to make that, but I've, 00:35:58.310 --> 00:35:59.380 I've been playing with it a bit. 00:35:59.400 --> 00:36:02.300 I figured I'll throw it out to see and maybe the listeners have done 00:36:02.300 --> 00:36:03.440 this and they have some feedback. 00:36:03.510 --> 00:36:05.330 Sean Zubor: I could, I could definitely see that. 00:36:05.410 --> 00:36:09.060 I mean, it's miraculous how quick they end up on the gut pile, like you're, 00:36:09.060 --> 00:36:12.580 you're still skinning an animal or you're, you're, you're gutting it and 00:36:12.610 --> 00:36:13.720 they're there three minutes later. 00:36:13.720 --> 00:36:14.960 So yeah, I could see that. 00:36:15.050 --> 00:36:15.230 Travis Bader: So 00:36:15.230 --> 00:36:15.300 Sean Zubor: you 00:36:15.300 --> 00:36:16.370 Travis Bader: want to talk about the gun thing now? 00:36:16.370 --> 00:36:16.580 Hey. 00:36:17.525 --> 00:36:21.715 Sean Zubor: Yeah, the only reason is so I'll, I'll give some background on it. 00:36:21.725 --> 00:36:24.985 So I'm an avid gun guy as well. 00:36:24.985 --> 00:36:29.825 I even had a firearm channel, the modern caveman on YouTube a long time 00:36:29.825 --> 00:36:31.955 ago when I still had guns to review. 00:36:32.365 --> 00:36:34.525 So good old 00:36:34.525 --> 00:36:35.325 Joe Eppele: days, good old 00:36:35.325 --> 00:36:35.985 Sean Zubor: days. 00:36:36.095 --> 00:36:36.869 And so. 00:36:37.180 --> 00:36:40.320 There's one disconnect that, and that's the only thing, and I think 00:36:40.340 --> 00:36:43.950 people are starting to, um, because, you know, the only, and I'll just 00:36:43.950 --> 00:36:47.580 throw this out there, the extreme of Trudeau on how crazy everything has 00:36:47.580 --> 00:36:51.720 gone with that, I think it's almost brought a lot of, like, the gun culture 00:36:51.720 --> 00:36:53.400 and hunting culture closer together. 00:36:53.650 --> 00:36:53.950 Right. 00:36:53.950 --> 00:36:55.660 So, excuse me. 00:36:55.660 --> 00:36:59.980 If I look back in the past, I even remember as a kid, like being looked 00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:03.140 down on that we were hunting with a gun because the guy was a bow hunter. 00:37:03.140 --> 00:37:04.760 So he's more of a superior hunter. 00:37:04.770 --> 00:37:08.740 You know, there's always been these types of like riffs in our community. 00:37:08.740 --> 00:37:12.380 And I think now it's starting to get a lot better because of the extremes of Trudeau. 00:37:12.380 --> 00:37:16.530 But the one thing, um, and Ron and I were talking about it as well is, 00:37:16.530 --> 00:37:20.540 you know, I own multiple restricted firearms that are going to be taken away. 00:37:20.540 --> 00:37:24.140 I think I got like nine, Nine or ten guns that are now prohibited 00:37:24.140 --> 00:37:26.350 in my, in my gun safe, right? 00:37:26.840 --> 00:37:33.275 And, um, for me I'd really like to see, and I love the fact that the Wild Sheep 00:37:33.275 --> 00:37:35.795 Society is doing this, having him, he's speaking tonight, I think he was 00:37:35.795 --> 00:37:39.555 saying, right, and having him a part of them and so on and so forth, just 00:37:39.655 --> 00:37:44.745 combining it a little bit more with sport shooters, um, guys that were doing 00:37:44.745 --> 00:37:50.425 three gun, cause I think it's important that we all are very solidified beside 00:37:50.825 --> 00:37:55.225 the fact, because I think there's still some and genuinely I feel even the last 00:37:55.225 --> 00:37:58.975 year or two, it's been a big change, but I think there's still some hunters 00:37:59.005 --> 00:38:02.585 out there that don't believe that their guns are literally on the chopping 00:38:02.585 --> 00:38:06.235 blocks right now that believe that, oh, they'll never get rid of bolt actions. 00:38:06.255 --> 00:38:07.275 They'll never get rid of this. 00:38:07.305 --> 00:38:08.365 They'll never get rid of that. 00:38:08.905 --> 00:38:09.645 Um, I don't know. 00:38:09.645 --> 00:38:10.915 What are your guys thoughts on that? 00:38:11.635 --> 00:38:14.815 Joe Eppele: I mean, it's a fight of a death by 1000 cuts, right? 00:38:14.835 --> 00:38:19.240 And it's the same thing that's been happening with our Um, you 00:38:19.240 --> 00:38:21.190 know, a lot of people in the grizzly bear hunt was banned. 00:38:21.190 --> 00:38:22.940 A lot of hunters just want, well, I don't hunt grizz. 00:38:23.380 --> 00:38:24.100 So I don't care. 00:38:24.130 --> 00:38:24.430 Right. 00:38:24.450 --> 00:38:28.020 But that was like the grizzly bear was the big barrier in 00:38:28.020 --> 00:38:29.550 front of all the other species. 00:38:29.550 --> 00:38:32.820 So as soon as the grizzly bear went, then there was the fight 00:38:32.820 --> 00:38:36.120 we had for the cats and the fight we're having for other predators. 00:38:36.120 --> 00:38:37.050 And so it's. 00:38:37.810 --> 00:38:40.780 It's not like these groups or the, the opposition is going 00:38:40.780 --> 00:38:42.480 to go, okay, we won the battle. 00:38:42.610 --> 00:38:43.740 That was the only battle we want. 00:38:43.740 --> 00:38:44.980 We walk away, right? 00:38:45.230 --> 00:38:49.010 For them, they have a long plan and they're a unified group. 00:38:49.010 --> 00:38:52.320 So talking about, you know, how fragmented we are and everybody's in their own pocket 00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:53.690 and they're like, Oh, that's their fight. 00:38:53.690 --> 00:38:54.430 It doesn't touch me. 00:38:54.670 --> 00:38:56.640 I completely agree as a society. 00:38:56.640 --> 00:39:00.090 We all need to understand like this isn't going to stop. 00:39:00.455 --> 00:39:02.935 After one of these things, top on some of the groups, open state. 00:39:02.935 --> 00:39:04.095 Well, this is the only thing we're coming. 00:39:04.105 --> 00:39:05.275 We're only coming for the cat hunts. 00:39:05.275 --> 00:39:08.605 If the cat hunts stop, we're going to go away. 00:39:09.135 --> 00:39:13.265 Well, yes, that official organization might go away, but you don't think 90 00:39:13.265 --> 00:39:16.245 percent of those members are going to come back under a different umbrella, under a 00:39:16.245 --> 00:39:17.545 different name, with a different group. 00:39:17.555 --> 00:39:19.655 Like that's, that's, what's going to continually happen. 00:39:19.655 --> 00:39:20.555 And that's what we see. 00:39:20.555 --> 00:39:21.895 That's what we saw after the grizzly bear hunt. 00:39:21.905 --> 00:39:25.135 What really happens is every time they get a win. 00:39:25.570 --> 00:39:26.600 It's like a sports team. 00:39:26.620 --> 00:39:29.740 You gain that momentum and you become that much fiercer of a group. 00:39:29.770 --> 00:39:32.580 And then everybody rallies behind it because it's like, Oh wait, they 00:39:32.580 --> 00:39:34.690 actually were able to get a victory. 00:39:35.120 --> 00:39:37.020 Well, now I'm going to, now I really believe in it. 00:39:37.030 --> 00:39:38.050 We're going to have this change. 00:39:38.050 --> 00:39:39.030 We're going to do this. 00:39:39.360 --> 00:39:44.980 And the challenge that we really face is on our side, we're really held under a 00:39:44.980 --> 00:39:46.930 microscope and we have to speak truths. 00:39:47.470 --> 00:39:49.890 We can't step out of line and falsify information. 00:39:49.900 --> 00:39:53.470 The other side, 90 percent of what they put on these banners, 00:39:53.470 --> 00:39:56.230 billboards, some of these people that they're teaching in school. 00:39:56.615 --> 00:39:58.285 It's completely false right now. 00:39:58.555 --> 00:40:02.645 So, um, I kind of went on a bit of a tangent there, but I would say, you know, 00:40:03.155 --> 00:40:05.555 all of these different groups and all these different pockets in the shooting 00:40:05.555 --> 00:40:07.995 sports, everybody needs to come together. 00:40:08.025 --> 00:40:10.485 Because, like Rod said earlier this morning at the, at the life member 00:40:10.485 --> 00:40:16.165 breakfast, um, you know, a lot of the guns that have been put on the chopping 00:40:16.165 --> 00:40:18.765 block already are guns that he never in a million years would have thought 00:40:18.955 --> 00:40:22.865 would have come and they're gone and they're in the rear view mirror now. 00:40:23.155 --> 00:40:25.765 And it's not like they're going to stop and go, okay, we got this. 00:40:25.775 --> 00:40:26.245 We're happy. 00:40:26.685 --> 00:40:28.555 I mean, you can just look at the list they're putting forward and they're 00:40:28.555 --> 00:40:30.965 literally just throwing spaghetti at the wall and seeing what sticks 00:40:31.245 --> 00:40:32.525 like there's no logic behind it. 00:40:32.555 --> 00:40:36.965 And that shows you alone that they don't have an end in sight. 00:40:37.005 --> 00:40:38.805 They're just going, let's grab as many as we can now. 00:40:39.345 --> 00:40:42.525 And then we'll let them calm down a little bit and then they'll 00:40:42.525 --> 00:40:43.455 go, okay, everything's fine. 00:40:43.495 --> 00:40:46.335 And then we'll come back and we'll grab a few more and we'll grab a few more. 00:40:46.645 --> 00:40:50.005 And it's the same thing they're going to do with the hunting licenses. 00:40:50.005 --> 00:40:51.065 They're going to go, okay, no, wait, no. 00:40:51.065 --> 00:40:52.475 They stood up and fought for the cats. 00:40:52.725 --> 00:40:53.025 Okay. 00:40:53.025 --> 00:40:54.245 We won't, we won't go after cats. 00:40:54.695 --> 00:40:55.705 What else can we go after? 00:40:55.705 --> 00:40:58.605 What else can we sneak away while everybody's looking over here? 00:40:58.605 --> 00:41:01.205 What else can we pull out the back door and that's what they're gonna keep doing 00:41:01.205 --> 00:41:04.545 They're circling and they're just gonna pull away pull away and pretty soon We're 00:41:04.545 --> 00:41:07.645 gonna be sitting there and you're on the last hill and people are gonna go. 00:41:07.935 --> 00:41:08.845 How did we get here? 00:41:08.875 --> 00:41:10.965 And it's because everybody didn't come together. 00:41:11.425 --> 00:41:13.265 Everybody didn't get each other's backs, right? 00:41:13.575 --> 00:41:17.435 Like that's that's what needs to happen So to your point like I agree we need to 00:41:17.435 --> 00:41:21.785 get everybody together and one unified front messaging needs to be consistent 00:41:21.785 --> 00:41:26.175 across the board Um, that's essential if we're gonna, the way things are 00:41:26.175 --> 00:41:32.095 going, I mean, yes, maybe obviously some changes in office could impact 00:41:32.105 --> 00:41:38.155 that, but I mean, yes, it could make things a lot better, but is that going 00:41:38.155 --> 00:41:39.395 to stop some of these organizations? 00:41:39.465 --> 00:41:41.385 They're always going to find a way to come after us. 00:41:41.385 --> 00:41:45.605 So we do, as a community, need to come together, bring more into 00:41:45.605 --> 00:41:47.095 the fold, increase our numbers. 00:41:47.535 --> 00:41:50.765 Larger numbers, stronger voice, and then everybody's forced to 00:41:50.765 --> 00:41:51.995 listen to the larger numbers. 00:41:52.375 --> 00:41:56.065 Because everybody just listens to the loudest voice in the room, unfortunately. 00:41:56.565 --> 00:42:00.355 Travis Bader: I agree with that, and I agree that people should realize the death 00:42:00.455 --> 00:42:02.035 by a thousand cuts, like you say there. 00:42:02.570 --> 00:42:07.040 Because if you look at like, go back a few years, Paul Martin, he's like, 00:42:07.060 --> 00:42:08.220 I'm not going to touch your guns. 00:42:08.220 --> 00:42:09.640 I'm not going to do anything with your guns. 00:42:09.640 --> 00:42:12.580 A second he gets in, all right, let's ban all the handguns. 00:42:12.670 --> 00:42:16.860 And he got so much pushback on that and it fell flat on its face. 00:42:18.330 --> 00:42:22.430 Trudeau comes in and says, death by a thousand cuts, camel in the tent. 00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:24.010 Please sir, it's so cold outside. 00:42:24.190 --> 00:42:26.269 Can I just put my hoof inside your tent? 00:42:26.270 --> 00:42:29.400 And before you know it, you're sleeping outside and your camel's on the inside. 00:42:29.460 --> 00:42:30.530 And that's how this goes. 00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:33.080 I'm not a hundred percent sure. 00:42:33.585 --> 00:42:38.135 That trying to organize the, uh, the hunting community and the firearms 00:42:38.135 --> 00:42:41.335 community is the best option. 00:42:41.355 --> 00:42:44.925 Like if the entire firearms community, the entire hunting community got up and they 00:42:44.925 --> 00:42:47.225 started saying, here's what's going on. 00:42:47.225 --> 00:42:48.695 And they're fighting with logic. 00:42:49.605 --> 00:42:53.105 Uh, again, we find ourself in that situation where you're trying 00:42:53.105 --> 00:42:54.865 to fight emotion with logic. 00:42:55.115 --> 00:42:55.665 I think. 00:42:56.160 --> 00:43:00.120 You've already, arguments already been framed in a way where 00:43:00.120 --> 00:43:01.710 you're fighting a losing battle. 00:43:02.140 --> 00:43:06.370 I think the argument needs to be framed, reframed a little bit differently, such 00:43:06.370 --> 00:43:10.620 as, if they can come for this from you, why couldn't they come for that for you? 00:43:10.620 --> 00:43:13.860 And I see Canadian Federation of Independent Businesses doing that, the 00:43:13.860 --> 00:43:18.740 CFIB, and they're looking at property rights as opposed to, oh, if they take 00:43:18.740 --> 00:43:22.635 your handguns or your shotguns or your rifles, they're saying, Well, if they 00:43:22.635 --> 00:43:27.255 can arbitrarily come in and say, you can't have this through ordering counsel 00:43:27.265 --> 00:43:32.865 through no legislative, uh, voting, no, no due process, what's to stop them from 00:43:32.865 --> 00:43:35.885 doing something similar when it comes to your bank account, when it comes to your 00:43:35.895 --> 00:43:37.495 business, when it comes to your house. 00:43:37.905 --> 00:43:41.445 And I think the voice, the numbers that you need to come 00:43:41.445 --> 00:43:44.035 from more of that visceral emotion where all the people are like. 00:43:44.865 --> 00:43:47.865 In the gun community, I don't own handguns, it doesn't bother me, 00:43:48.105 --> 00:43:51.275 or the non hunters and the non firers people, that's you, that's 00:43:51.285 --> 00:43:52.575 you guys, how does that affect me? 00:43:52.965 --> 00:43:56.135 Well, the amount of money it costs on these, and I'm going to do air quotes 00:43:56.135 --> 00:44:00.025 here for people listening, the buyback, which is, it's just confiscation. 00:44:00.205 --> 00:44:00.375 Yeah, 00:44:01.215 --> 00:44:01.295 Sean Zubor: exactly. 00:44:01.455 --> 00:44:03.685 Travis Bader: Like Blaine said last night, how do you buy back 00:44:03.685 --> 00:44:04.995 something that you've never owned? 00:44:05.135 --> 00:44:05.325 Yeah. 00:44:06.245 --> 00:44:11.305 I think that it needs to be a strategic reframing of what's going on and 00:44:11.565 --> 00:44:16.635 putting a spotlight on the, the general malfeasance of government and how 00:44:16.665 --> 00:44:21.765 they're moving forward to, to take, uh, rights to take property or to, 00:44:22.125 --> 00:44:23.395 to take the steps that they're doing. 00:44:23.675 --> 00:44:25.179 I, I think that would be 00:44:26.250 --> 00:44:27.090 Sean Zubor: I think that would work. 00:44:27.210 --> 00:44:29.460 I think it's going to be a two pronged approach. 00:44:29.460 --> 00:44:33.870 I think both sides, the reality is, is if we have inner fighting or we're not 00:44:33.870 --> 00:44:38.200 working together as a hunting shooting community, you know, we're all on 00:44:38.200 --> 00:44:39.650 the same side and where we're going. 00:44:39.650 --> 00:44:43.690 I think that hurts us one particular way because you know how it is. 00:44:43.690 --> 00:44:48.425 If you look at any type of, uh, Look at how wars are run. 00:44:48.435 --> 00:44:51.085 First thing you're trying to do is separate, you know, the 00:44:51.085 --> 00:44:52.775 good from the bad within people. 00:44:52.775 --> 00:44:58.225 You're trying to, um, everybody hates to use COVID, but you said as an example, 00:44:58.635 --> 00:45:03.135 uh, during COVID, it doesn't matter if you believe in it, don't believe in it, think 00:45:03.135 --> 00:45:07.715 it kills people, don't think it kills people, the vaccine, whatever it is, how 00:45:07.715 --> 00:45:12.165 the government villainized people, in my personal opinion, was completely wrong. 00:45:12.695 --> 00:45:12.975 Right. 00:45:13.005 --> 00:45:17.405 And that's, you see families that have completely stopped talking to 00:45:17.405 --> 00:45:20.935 each other that have like disowned each other that because one's like 00:45:20.935 --> 00:45:22.595 an anti vaxxer, one's a vaxxer. 00:45:22.775 --> 00:45:25.125 I won't even use anti vaxxer, just didn't believe in that particular 00:45:25.125 --> 00:45:26.515 one or whatever the case is. 00:45:27.065 --> 00:45:31.815 So it's a very, very powerful tool to split communities. 00:45:32.130 --> 00:45:33.630 With certain beliefs, right? 00:45:33.630 --> 00:45:36.990 So I feel like if our community comes together and we realize that we're 00:45:36.990 --> 00:45:42.110 all fighting the same fight, A. B, if we realize the fact that, and Joe hit 00:45:42.110 --> 00:45:45.840 it on the nail, you look at all these conservation, or sorry, not, they're not 00:45:45.850 --> 00:45:49.560 conservation groups, all these groups that are trying to say get rid of the bear 00:45:49.560 --> 00:45:54.180 hunt or get rid of, at the end of the day, you look at their, their motivation at 00:45:54.180 --> 00:45:57.025 the end, It is to eliminate all hunting. 00:45:57.245 --> 00:45:59.825 You look at any of these people that are trying to get rid of any kind 00:45:59.825 --> 00:46:04.675 of guns, uh, or, you know, the ARs to start with or whatever it may be. 00:46:05.065 --> 00:46:08.165 Their motivation in the very end is to eliminate all firearms. 00:46:08.505 --> 00:46:09.195 It is not. 00:46:09.490 --> 00:46:10.930 This is all just a starting point. 00:46:10.970 --> 00:46:14.440 We all really have to realize that if we don't fight back now, and 00:46:14.440 --> 00:46:15.480 that is really what you're doing. 00:46:15.490 --> 00:46:19.070 If we don't come together as a force, I think we're going to be, uh, we're 00:46:19.070 --> 00:46:22.350 going to have, we won't have anything left to fight for because everything. 00:46:22.350 --> 00:46:25.630 And, and Joe, you said this as well as like, I mean, it's death by a thousand 00:46:25.630 --> 00:46:29.760 cuts, really what it is is just creating normalization, like I've already heard 00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:31.310 people, well, you know, I've given up. 00:46:31.310 --> 00:46:33.350 I'm not going to get my arrow back or I've given up. 00:46:33.350 --> 00:46:34.650 I'm like, it's gone. 00:46:34.670 --> 00:46:34.880 Well. 00:46:36.245 --> 00:46:40.145 The reality is if you give that up, right, and you have that mentality 00:46:40.145 --> 00:46:42.905 that it's given up, you will never get it back because now you're just 00:46:43.015 --> 00:46:45.465 focused on fighting what you're going to still be able to keep now 00:46:45.465 --> 00:46:48.725 instead of moving back into the retrospective where we were, right? 00:46:48.755 --> 00:46:53.275 So, I, I, I think it's, it's, uh, it's a challenging time. 00:46:53.945 --> 00:46:56.695 Luckily, I think we're in the right direction in a lot of cases. 00:46:57.755 --> 00:47:02.180 Excuse me, but I think a third prong attempt too, and I think this is like, 00:47:02.190 --> 00:47:05.580 you guys are doing an incredibly great job about this and, you know, the Joe 00:47:05.580 --> 00:47:10.410 Rogans of the world and so on and so forth, is, I think, bringing other people 00:47:10.500 --> 00:47:13.090 into the scope of the outdoors, right? 00:47:13.370 --> 00:47:14.240 Getting them to understand. 00:47:14.430 --> 00:47:19.540 People that camp, people that, um, I think a massive, massive thing that we really 00:47:19.540 --> 00:47:24.680 need to focus on is bringing more women into, into our activities or sports or 00:47:24.680 --> 00:47:28.550 shooting or, or hunting or, you know, getting them involved, understanding 00:47:28.560 --> 00:47:32.604 how much of a family practice this is, you know, like getting kids involved. 00:47:32.765 --> 00:47:36.655 Bringing people that are outside of our community to go fire a gun and 00:47:36.655 --> 00:47:39.515 realize that, Hey, the gun didn't jump off the table and start killing people. 00:47:39.515 --> 00:47:40.005 You know what I mean? 00:47:40.005 --> 00:47:43.005 And we just had some psychos once in a blue moon that did things right. 00:47:43.005 --> 00:47:48.875 So I think there's a lot of opportunity to kind of bring that awareness and having. 00:47:49.245 --> 00:47:53.875 Um, you know, for lack of a better word, these celebrities or having people that 00:47:53.875 --> 00:47:58.545 are out there voicing their opinions loud and clear and speaking well and showing by 00:47:58.545 --> 00:48:02.705 action, leading by example, I think these are ways that we can definitely change the 00:48:02.715 --> 00:48:04.395 tide and you're seeing it in the states. 00:48:04.405 --> 00:48:07.445 You're seeing it here in a lot of cases in Alberta and so on and so forth. 00:48:07.455 --> 00:48:09.295 I think we need to keep pressing. 00:48:09.485 --> 00:48:11.835 My worry is, is we do bring another government in. 00:48:12.065 --> 00:48:13.155 That will be a good government. 00:48:13.155 --> 00:48:15.795 And all of a sudden we lay off, lay off the gas and we're 00:48:15.795 --> 00:48:16.655 like, Oh, we're good now. 00:48:16.655 --> 00:48:18.419 And then we set ourselves up for sure. 00:48:18.840 --> 00:48:22.170 It's for another Trudeau and whenever years, 00:48:24.150 --> 00:48:25.970 Joe Eppele: yeah, I don't think the fights are going to go anywhere 00:48:25.970 --> 00:48:27.170 regardless of what happens. 00:48:27.170 --> 00:48:32.340 And, and, um, you know, we have to keep our guard up, but I definitely, yeah, 00:48:32.340 --> 00:48:36.810 I think you guys both made phenomenal points there, Travis, to your point, um, 00:48:36.840 --> 00:48:41.940 you know, reef using the exact reframe it and applying it to something else. 00:48:41.940 --> 00:48:45.030 And then using that as a really good tool of how we could pull 00:48:45.030 --> 00:48:46.430 more into the fold and educate. 00:48:47.135 --> 00:48:51.235 When it comes to situations, like the ones we're talking about, it's a very 00:48:51.235 --> 00:48:56.025 polarizing argument, but the big thing is the majority of society, like, yes, 00:48:56.045 --> 00:48:59.955 maybe 10, 15, 20 percent sit at either end and they're going, okay, what do 00:48:59.955 --> 00:49:03.765 we do with this 8, 60 to 80 percent of the population that's in the middle? 00:49:04.285 --> 00:49:05.215 How do we reach them? 00:49:05.245 --> 00:49:10.215 And for us, sometimes we just speak our side and hope that 00:49:10.215 --> 00:49:11.075 people will understand it. 00:49:11.305 --> 00:49:13.705 But a lot of those people in the middle who don't hunt, who don't have guns, 00:49:13.705 --> 00:49:17.655 who don't see it, they're like, well, I live in, you know, um, City center. 00:49:17.655 --> 00:49:18.595 I don't see these things. 00:49:18.685 --> 00:49:19.675 Why would you need to hunt? 00:49:19.685 --> 00:49:20.335 Why would you need to? 00:49:20.375 --> 00:49:23.885 Because like we talked about earlier, vast majority of people have never gone 00:49:23.895 --> 00:49:25.915 north past to these really wild places. 00:49:25.915 --> 00:49:27.915 They don't see grizzly bears on a daily basis. 00:49:27.925 --> 00:49:28.625 They don't see wolves. 00:49:28.625 --> 00:49:31.205 They don't see what's actually happening on the, on the landscape. 00:49:32.195 --> 00:49:36.795 Finding a way to reach them and showing them that we're not these villains like 00:49:37.555 --> 00:49:41.355 Certain groups are really trying to make us out to be so saying well, this is why 00:49:41.355 --> 00:49:45.065 we're actually frustrated So, you know educating somebody with a piece and you 00:49:45.065 --> 00:49:48.525 know, could you imagine you're watching a video and it talks about you know What 00:49:48.525 --> 00:49:52.015 would you do if one day you woke up and someone told you something about a vehicle 00:49:52.015 --> 00:49:53.745 or your property or your right for? 00:49:53.745 --> 00:49:58.660 Some sort of other freedom or uh, you know, and then this was all done With 00:49:58.660 --> 00:50:02.960 no education, there's no logic behind the decisions and you, you structured 00:50:02.960 --> 00:50:06.060 it that way, people's hair on their back would stand up and they go, how 00:50:06.060 --> 00:50:07.050 could something like that happen? 00:50:07.050 --> 00:50:10.800 And you go, well, that is what's been happening here and then, and 00:50:10.800 --> 00:50:13.010 then bring them in all of a sudden people might start paying attention. 00:50:13.010 --> 00:50:17.050 So, and then bring them in and then bring them as a part of this 00:50:17.060 --> 00:50:19.060 unified society of everybody else. 00:50:19.240 --> 00:50:20.260 And then that voice grows. 00:50:20.260 --> 00:50:24.850 So I think both pieces of that can come together and yeah, cause right now it's 00:50:24.860 --> 00:50:26.170 one of those challenging things is. 00:50:26.240 --> 00:50:30.550 I feel like the hunting society, the shooting society, has always rested on 00:50:30.550 --> 00:50:35.800 historically of, you know, the actions speak louder than words, but like the 00:50:35.800 --> 00:50:38.230 silent type, this is the way it's been, this is the way it should always be. 00:50:38.280 --> 00:50:40.310 Because we talk about the heritage, we talk about this is 00:50:40.310 --> 00:50:41.350 what's always been happening. 00:50:41.720 --> 00:50:46.290 But that, I don't think that dialogue, that story is serving us as well 00:50:46.290 --> 00:50:47.890 as it used to, and it's changing. 00:50:48.130 --> 00:50:52.970 So I think finding ways to change our story, to change how we bring other 00:50:52.970 --> 00:50:54.590 people into the fold is very important. 00:50:55.280 --> 00:50:56.360 Travis Bader: I think you're bang on. 00:50:56.470 --> 00:51:02.010 I don't think, um, I don't think setting yourself up to fight somebody's emotional 00:51:02.050 --> 00:51:09.150 act, uh, Accusations is putting yourself in the, in the best possible position. 00:51:09.180 --> 00:51:13.310 And there are other things that are going on in society right now that 00:51:13.440 --> 00:51:18.760 people can piggyback on if they're trying to have another side understand 00:51:18.770 --> 00:51:22.710 sort of their position, they can piggyback on the local food movement. 00:51:22.710 --> 00:51:23.000 Right. 00:51:23.120 --> 00:51:25.100 And, uh, they understand food. 00:51:25.100 --> 00:51:27.320 They might not understand hunting, but they understand food and 00:51:27.320 --> 00:51:28.420 where that food comes from. 00:51:28.450 --> 00:51:29.350 Maybe there's a segue in. 00:51:29.945 --> 00:51:33.735 How about the indigenous people out there as hunting and fishing 00:51:33.735 --> 00:51:34.905 as a part of a way of life? 00:51:34.905 --> 00:51:37.035 You're going to tell them that they shouldn't be able to hunt anymore. 00:51:37.405 --> 00:51:40.665 And if you wouldn't say that, why would you say that to another group? 00:51:40.775 --> 00:51:42.005 Like, are you racist? 00:51:42.005 --> 00:51:42.235 Right? 00:51:42.345 --> 00:51:45.315 It's, I mean, the same sort of logic could be used back and forth, but 00:51:45.315 --> 00:51:47.945 I think really, and you're right. 00:51:47.995 --> 00:51:50.325 There's always going to be the few percent that are one side, 00:51:50.325 --> 00:51:51.435 few percent the other side. 00:51:51.435 --> 00:51:53.165 And most of the people in the middle, they just don't care. 00:51:53.175 --> 00:51:56.825 They're, they're not even, it's not even on their radar, but even if you take 00:51:56.835 --> 00:52:02.550 those ardent opposition on either side, you'll probably find that you have more 00:52:02.560 --> 00:52:05.010 similarities than you do have differences. 00:52:05.300 --> 00:52:09.230 That you don't like guns because you've been negatively affected by it, or you've 00:52:09.230 --> 00:52:12.100 read about things in the news where people have been negatively affected, 00:52:12.100 --> 00:52:13.180 so you want to get rid of them all. 00:52:13.340 --> 00:52:13.900 Well, guess what? 00:52:14.225 --> 00:52:19.005 The gun people over here, they don't like this stuff they're seeing in the news and 00:52:19.005 --> 00:52:20.695 they don't want to be negatively affected. 00:52:21.505 --> 00:52:23.405 But if we get rid of it all, does that mean that we're 00:52:23.405 --> 00:52:25.055 going to stop all gun violence? 00:52:25.055 --> 00:52:25.655 Well, no. 00:52:26.345 --> 00:52:27.635 What's the end objective? 00:52:27.685 --> 00:52:29.605 We want to have a safe society. 00:52:29.745 --> 00:52:31.945 If we get rid of all hunting, what's that going to mean? 00:52:31.955 --> 00:52:34.595 Well, we're no longer going to have conservation groups that actually 00:52:34.595 --> 00:52:36.315 look after and manage these animals. 00:52:36.315 --> 00:52:38.335 And we have things for generations to come. 00:52:38.345 --> 00:52:40.385 Do you want animals for generations to come? 00:52:40.730 --> 00:52:41.180 Yes. 00:52:41.190 --> 00:52:43.540 Well, maybe we should reframe how we're looking at that. 00:52:43.550 --> 00:52:46.120 And I think if we start looking at those similarities that we have 00:52:46.410 --> 00:52:50.270 and picking away at those, we might have a different conversation. 00:52:50.320 --> 00:52:53.050 Because the second we're on these polar sides, I don't think 00:52:53.410 --> 00:52:54.820 either side really gets anywhere. 00:52:56.000 --> 00:52:58.740 Sean Zubor: Let me ask you guys a question then on this portion. 00:52:58.820 --> 00:53:01.200 Um, because I agree with everything you guys are saying. 00:53:01.660 --> 00:53:02.150 You would. 00:53:03.570 --> 00:53:04.280 Definitely. 00:53:04.720 --> 00:53:05.700 We're on the same side. 00:53:07.680 --> 00:53:08.030 Um. 00:53:08.930 --> 00:53:11.680 My question to you, I guess, is, as you mentioned, you know, like 00:53:11.680 --> 00:53:14.640 the 10 percent on each side, these extremists on both sides, right? 00:53:15.720 --> 00:53:18.760 I think over the last, and I think this is one of the reasons why we're 00:53:18.820 --> 00:53:22.040 actually starting to see a shift politically and all these other things 00:53:22.040 --> 00:53:26.680 is because the 10%, I'll just call it out as the left, let's just say the 00:53:26.680 --> 00:53:32.340 extreme left, has been so loud and has been basically shaming everybody else. 00:53:32.745 --> 00:53:35.985 You know, outside the rest of the 90 percent that they've been shaming 00:53:35.985 --> 00:53:38.245 their way into getting things done. 00:53:38.635 --> 00:53:40.345 How do how do we? 00:53:41.265 --> 00:53:44.725 All of these things we talk about, bringing people into the community, uh, 00:53:44.745 --> 00:53:48.325 showing them, for example, like, hey, you may have nothing to do with guns, 00:53:48.325 --> 00:53:53.365 but, uh, that car, you know, why do you have to have a thousand horsepower car? 00:53:53.365 --> 00:53:55.355 You know, you could kill a bunch of people and you're taking way too 00:53:55.355 --> 00:53:56.615 much fuel and so on and so forth. 00:53:56.615 --> 00:53:59.005 Like, we're gonna confiscate that because nobody needs that. 00:53:59.245 --> 00:54:01.775 Just like nobody needs a semi automatic weapon, for example. 00:54:01.975 --> 00:54:03.345 And we're using these types of things. 00:54:03.615 --> 00:54:08.695 How do we get our voice out there, like the 1 percent of the 00:54:08.695 --> 00:54:10.525 extreme left have over the years? 00:54:10.835 --> 00:54:11.505 Travis Bader: I don't think you do. 00:54:11.765 --> 00:54:12.005 Sean Zubor: No? 00:54:12.095 --> 00:54:12.375 Travis Bader: No. 00:54:12.375 --> 00:54:14.315 I, I think, obviously we need groups. 00:54:14.375 --> 00:54:16.845 We need people who will have that voice and who carry it out. 00:54:17.045 --> 00:54:24.315 My personal opinion is that you start educating people on, uh, how many 00:54:24.405 --> 00:54:28.715 media can manipulate, how people can manipulate facts or outright 00:54:28.715 --> 00:54:30.405 lie and things that we can look for. 00:54:30.465 --> 00:54:31.825 Sean Zubor: Sorry, sorry, sorry to interrupt you. 00:54:31.825 --> 00:54:33.365 So, but how do you educate them? 00:54:33.365 --> 00:54:34.445 How do you get that out there? 00:54:34.890 --> 00:54:35.580 What do you think? 00:54:35.840 --> 00:54:39.050 And to a better question, because you know, there's three of us that are 00:54:39.050 --> 00:54:42.310 on social media quite a bit and we do our things, but I'm not really a hunt, 00:54:42.430 --> 00:54:44.490 like the hunting community per se. 00:54:44.710 --> 00:54:45.410 I love you guys. 00:54:45.410 --> 00:54:45.870 I love Watchmen. 00:54:45.940 --> 00:54:47.350 I'm more of a fan boy than anything. 00:54:47.350 --> 00:54:49.090 So, but you guys, this is your living. 00:54:49.150 --> 00:54:53.060 Like you guys literally work and breathe in, in the hunting 00:54:53.060 --> 00:54:54.360 industry, outdoor industry. 00:54:54.750 --> 00:54:58.560 Um, how does, how does the regular average person that's here? 00:54:58.955 --> 00:54:59.345 Right? 00:54:59.535 --> 00:55:02.165 Or maybe that's not who we're saying, but the person that's in there, how 00:55:02.205 --> 00:55:06.295 do they get out and communicate and say these things and educate and 00:55:06.635 --> 00:55:10.835 like, what, if somebody is listening to this today, what should they do? 00:55:10.845 --> 00:55:13.195 Or, I'm not, we're obviously not telling them what to do, but 00:55:13.195 --> 00:55:16.395 at the end of the day, what can they do to make a difference? 00:55:16.565 --> 00:55:21.775 Travis Bader: I, I think educating ourselves personally about how arguments 00:55:21.775 --> 00:55:26.945 are formed on how media can be manipulated and being able to call out blatant lies 00:55:26.945 --> 00:55:29.950 when we see it and point to Why that is. 00:55:29.990 --> 00:55:33.300 I mean, Noam Chomsky has written a number of books on just the 00:55:33.300 --> 00:55:34.700 power of media manipulation. 00:55:34.700 --> 00:55:36.680 I think he's actually got a masterclass right now through 00:55:36.680 --> 00:55:38.400 that, that whole masterclass thing. 00:55:38.900 --> 00:55:43.120 But I think if people are able to start spotting out, well, hold on a second, 00:55:43.160 --> 00:55:45.040 that argument doesn't hold water. 00:55:45.190 --> 00:55:48.170 Like if you have a point, let's make your point, as opposed 00:55:48.170 --> 00:55:49.560 to trying to argue the point. 00:55:49.940 --> 00:55:53.280 Because the second you find yourself arguing the point, and you're already 00:55:53.280 --> 00:55:55.930 in a position, let's say it's an emotional point, you're, you're 00:55:56.840 --> 00:55:58.220 Fighting against the flow of water. 00:55:58.780 --> 00:56:03.980 So if you can at least Uh, through your own discourse, start 00:56:03.990 --> 00:56:08.280 understanding how, uh, a different perspective of the argument. 00:56:08.290 --> 00:56:09.500 Like, hold on a second, let's talk. 00:56:09.500 --> 00:56:11.340 What is it you're trying to actually get at? 00:56:11.400 --> 00:56:14.390 Or why would you say that when, rather than pointing to 00:56:14.390 --> 00:56:16.790 facts, use their same argument? 00:56:16.930 --> 00:56:20.020 In the same way that, like, when COVID happened, like you point out there, 00:56:20.290 --> 00:56:22.020 people would talk in hushed tones. 00:56:22.320 --> 00:56:24.355 They wouldn't want it, like It was really weird. 00:56:24.355 --> 00:56:26.715 I would have podcasts if people be off air. 00:56:26.765 --> 00:56:29.515 Like I wanted to say this, but I couldn't because I'd be canceled. 00:56:29.825 --> 00:56:33.695 And you talk about, and you say the left, the extreme left, but there has 00:56:33.695 --> 00:56:38.055 been a very effective manipulation through media and through social media 00:56:38.065 --> 00:56:39.695 through cancel culture in the past. 00:56:40.055 --> 00:56:42.455 And I think the zeitgeist now is. 00:56:42.990 --> 00:56:46.820 There is a flavor for, uh, that to stop. 00:56:47.010 --> 00:56:51.660 People are not going to be bullied through DEI and saying, Well, you don't agree with 00:56:51.660 --> 00:56:54.050 this diversity, equity, inclusion thing. 00:56:54.050 --> 00:56:55.310 So you must be a racist. 00:56:55.320 --> 00:56:56.480 You must be a Nazi, right? 00:56:56.880 --> 00:57:03.156 I think that's where the, um, I don't think we lose messaging on 00:57:03.156 --> 00:57:04.740 what we think is factually correct. 00:57:05.000 --> 00:57:09.655 But I think we have to be more adept at being able to Uh, reframe 00:57:09.655 --> 00:57:14.775 an argument or point out in a way that will humiliate in the same way 00:57:14.775 --> 00:57:17.025 that you would be humiliated, right? 00:57:17.025 --> 00:57:18.405 Just point out the ludicrous of it. 00:57:20.705 --> 00:57:22.175 Joe Eppele: I'm trying to think of anything I would add 00:57:22.175 --> 00:57:23.435 on top of what you just said. 00:57:23.435 --> 00:57:26.225 I think you, you really touched on everything well there. 00:57:26.475 --> 00:57:30.745 Um, yeah, and I think the other thing is just, I mean, especially on social media, 00:57:30.745 --> 00:57:35.645 everybody's first reaction is to attack and emotionally attack and, and, you know, 00:57:35.995 --> 00:57:38.735 take a breath and understand sometimes. 00:57:39.110 --> 00:57:42.200 Like people are on there they're baiting you and they want you to step 00:57:42.200 --> 00:57:45.190 in and sometimes the first reaction the first thing you want to type in there 00:57:45.190 --> 00:57:52.109 and say is Almost gonna prove their point and then you know Unvalidate 00:57:52.790 --> 00:57:54.280 anything you're gonna say after that. 00:57:54.540 --> 00:57:58.890 So so taking that step and going I always Use a term, you know 00:57:59.660 --> 00:58:00.970 used to play professional sports. 00:58:01.120 --> 00:58:01.520 Travis Bader: Did you 00:58:01.800 --> 00:58:03.110 Joe Eppele: really once upon a time? 00:58:03.210 --> 00:58:04.370 Yeah, I was really good at badminton 00:58:08.270 --> 00:58:11.885 And I always say there's a difference between locker room 00:58:11.885 --> 00:58:14.085 talk and the press conference talk. 00:58:14.485 --> 00:58:17.495 And understand that these social platforms, a lot of people go, well it's 00:58:17.495 --> 00:58:19.985 a social platform, I want to be able to say whatever I'm supposed to say. 00:58:19.985 --> 00:58:21.515 Well no, it's a social platform, yes. 00:58:22.705 --> 00:58:24.685 Everything that we're putting on these social platforms is 00:58:24.685 --> 00:58:26.065 going to be used against us. 00:58:26.085 --> 00:58:29.105 Like it's, like when someone's getting arrested, you know, anything 00:58:29.115 --> 00:58:31.225 you say can and will be used against you in the court of law. 00:58:31.525 --> 00:58:32.225 It's the same thing. 00:58:33.760 --> 00:58:37.640 You can have your, your conversations about certain things and speak in a 00:58:37.640 --> 00:58:42.600 certain tone amongst the boys, amongst your hunt group, whatever it is, but 00:58:42.600 --> 00:58:46.750 when you're going on social media, understand, a lot of the time I try and, 00:58:46.790 --> 00:58:49.620 and I, don't get me wrong, I don't get it perfect all the time, I make a lot of 00:58:49.620 --> 00:58:55.295 mistakes, understand that you're You're not always when I speak or respond to 00:58:55.295 --> 00:58:58.895 somebody, I'm not even thinking, how is this person going to react to it? 00:58:58.895 --> 00:59:02.075 I go, everybody that reads this, whose side are they going to take? 00:59:02.285 --> 00:59:06.775 And if you get involved too emotionally and too aggressive and you're just, you 00:59:06.775 --> 00:59:08.565 know, start name calling things like that. 00:59:08.785 --> 00:59:12.055 Everybody's going to go, wow, this guy is this redneck idiot, right? 00:59:12.055 --> 00:59:13.105 Like that's what they're going to think. 00:59:13.105 --> 00:59:13.315 Wow. 00:59:13.315 --> 00:59:15.095 This person really, you know, caught him. 00:59:15.605 --> 00:59:16.215 Whereas. 00:59:16.825 --> 00:59:18.865 You know, every now and then you see the response, some responses, you 00:59:18.865 --> 00:59:19.955 know, you're just not going to win. 00:59:19.955 --> 00:59:22.725 And I'll be honest, I block a lot of people like you're gone. 00:59:22.735 --> 00:59:26.005 Like I don't have time for you because this isn't nothing positive 00:59:26.005 --> 00:59:26.625 is going to come from this. 00:59:26.725 --> 00:59:30.055 But if someone's open to dialogue, I'll communicate with them, even if I know 00:59:30.055 --> 00:59:32.755 I'm not going to convince them, but I, okay, well, maybe some other people that 00:59:32.755 --> 00:59:34.455 they know are going to check this out. 00:59:35.010 --> 00:59:37.140 And then they're going to go, wow, this guy actually made a good point. 00:59:37.580 --> 00:59:38.710 Travis Bader: So you comport yourself, 00:59:38.770 --> 00:59:39.150 Joe Eppele: right? 00:59:39.470 --> 00:59:41.590 So, so, so that sometimes is a way to win. 00:59:41.870 --> 00:59:45.170 Um, but yeah, you're not going to win all those arguments. 00:59:45.170 --> 00:59:46.480 You're not going to, you're not going to win them. 00:59:46.520 --> 00:59:50.140 I, and oddly enough, sometimes I have had one of the most 00:59:50.140 --> 00:59:51.390 frustrating things I have come up. 00:59:51.390 --> 00:59:53.390 Actually is at the end of some of these dialogues, people go. 00:59:53.865 --> 00:59:55.285 Okay, but I'm not talking about you. 00:59:55.285 --> 00:59:56.245 You're one of the good ones. 00:59:57.825 --> 01:00:01.885 And we'll bring, we'll bring this full circle moment here is like we've all 01:00:01.885 --> 01:00:05.235 been here at this venue all weekend and you walk around every person in this 01:00:05.235 --> 01:00:09.145 building is one of the good ones because the best people you will ever meet, 01:00:09.175 --> 01:00:10.825 you meet through the outdoors, right? 01:00:10.825 --> 01:00:14.025 Because it just brings, it brings the best out in so many people. 01:00:14.025 --> 01:00:14.694 Sean Zubor: So. 01:00:15.215 --> 01:00:17.765 Joe Eppele: Um, I just, I hate that when people go, yeah, 01:00:17.765 --> 01:00:18.715 but I'm not talking about you. 01:00:18.715 --> 01:00:19.585 I'm talking about the rest of them. 01:00:20.215 --> 01:00:23.505 I'm like, but the rest of them are just like me, you know, maybe some people 01:00:23.505 --> 01:00:26.595 don't approach it with the same angle, but like when you dig down, you sit 01:00:26.595 --> 01:00:30.495 down and talk with anybody here this weekend, everybody's the same inside. 01:00:30.495 --> 01:00:30.725 Right. 01:00:30.725 --> 01:00:33.265 So, so it's, yeah, I hate that. 01:00:33.605 --> 01:00:33.625 Yeah. 01:00:33.995 --> 01:00:37.075 But if everybody can kind of do that and everybody can show them 01:00:37.075 --> 01:00:38.565 that we're all one of the good ones. 01:00:38.820 --> 01:00:40.160 We'll start winning some of that argument. 01:00:40.820 --> 01:00:41.270 Sean Zubor: I like that. 01:00:41.360 --> 01:00:41.790 I love it. 01:00:41.990 --> 01:00:44.800 Okay, last question, because we're already stretching time here. 01:00:44.820 --> 01:00:45.020 Hold 01:00:45.020 --> 01:00:47.317 Travis Bader: on, I got one point I okay, sorry, sorry, sorry. 01:00:47.317 --> 01:00:47.940 The answer to the question. 01:00:47.940 --> 01:00:49.010 Okay, alright, perfect. 01:00:49.080 --> 01:00:53.600 I, I like, uh, what, what Joe's saying about writing it down, if 01:00:53.600 --> 01:00:54.850 someone would read it at a later date. 01:00:55.280 --> 01:00:59.170 I always try and write things down in a way, if a trier of fact in 01:00:59.170 --> 01:01:02.430 the future had to look at this and weigh it out simply on what they see 01:01:02.430 --> 01:01:04.660 here, what would their opinion be? 01:01:05.200 --> 01:01:10.200 And I find oftentimes when I'm engaging in something, whether it's social 01:01:10.200 --> 01:01:13.910 media or wherever there's an initial emotional response, they're wrong. 01:01:13.950 --> 01:01:14.430 I'm right. 01:01:14.490 --> 01:01:15.290 I know I'm right. 01:01:15.310 --> 01:01:16.050 I know they're wrong. 01:01:16.270 --> 01:01:16.920 However. 01:01:17.420 --> 01:01:22.200 There's a lot of power to asking questions because there has been once 01:01:22.200 --> 01:01:27.890 or twice, maybe, where I was mistaken and I misunderstood what was going on. 01:01:27.910 --> 01:01:33.260 And a lot of powerful, um, statements can be made through asking a question 01:01:33.470 --> 01:01:37.880 and it leaves you with some leeway to be able to retreat and understand. 01:01:37.900 --> 01:01:42.200 And I think that's what people should be seeking to do is to understand 01:01:42.200 --> 01:01:44.450 each other prior to seeking to. 01:01:44.670 --> 01:01:48.400 Prove your point, because if I can understand you and hopefully we 01:01:48.400 --> 01:01:51.210 can then reach a point where you can understand me, we'll probably 01:01:51.210 --> 01:01:53.320 find pretty similar where we're at. 01:01:53.340 --> 01:01:54.220 Sean Zubor: Some kind of common ground. 01:01:54.500 --> 01:01:56.280 It's funny that you say that in sales. 01:01:56.605 --> 01:01:59.845 Yeah, that's um, because I can be a complete hothead and I've said a 01:01:59.845 --> 01:02:04.545 lot of stupid stuff on social media way too much, um, just be real. 01:02:04.885 --> 01:02:07.455 And, uh, yeah, I have a lot of followers. 01:02:07.455 --> 01:02:08.705 I've lost a lot of followers. 01:02:08.745 --> 01:02:10.455 I've lost clients, everything. 01:02:10.935 --> 01:02:14.835 And it's because, like And I think this is something that I've learned over 01:02:14.835 --> 01:02:18.825 time is I get very emotional over this as well, because I, I feel deep down. 01:02:18.825 --> 01:02:19.225 It's right. 01:02:19.325 --> 01:02:22.995 I feel like somebody stealing something from me, you know, so there's a 01:02:22.995 --> 01:02:25.795 lot of things, especially somebody stealing something from me that 01:02:25.795 --> 01:02:29.035 would be crying that I'm stealing something from them of that wouldn't 01:02:29.035 --> 01:02:30.455 even be significance type deal. 01:02:30.455 --> 01:02:30.695 Right? 01:02:30.695 --> 01:02:34.805 So, um, but I hear everything you guys are saying, and I've been, I'm 01:02:34.805 --> 01:02:38.435 like, well, Hey, why don't I just apply what I do in sales, which is. 01:02:38.830 --> 01:02:39.500 Travis Bader: That's a good point. 01:02:39.530 --> 01:02:42.130 Sean Zubor: Basically just questions, you know, I'm, I'm always trying to 01:02:42.130 --> 01:02:45.390 find somebody's motivation on, you know, what, why they're building 01:02:45.390 --> 01:02:48.220 this tower, what's the dream, where they're going, etc. And it's the 01:02:48.220 --> 01:02:51.800 same thing when you can ask somebody that has a differentiating opinion to 01:02:51.800 --> 01:02:54.080 you on what makes you feel that way. 01:02:54.730 --> 01:02:56.710 What made you, what brought you to this decision? 01:02:56.860 --> 01:02:58.190 You start asking these questions. 01:02:58.200 --> 01:03:00.040 A lot of times they can't even answer themselves. 01:03:00.190 --> 01:03:00.490 Right? 01:03:00.520 --> 01:03:03.410 So it brings it to the forefront that it is more or less just a 01:03:03.410 --> 01:03:05.670 bias, not an actual reason why. 01:03:05.720 --> 01:03:07.720 And then you can start having a conversation, right? 01:03:07.720 --> 01:03:10.880 So it's funny that you mentioned this over the last couple of years. 01:03:11.100 --> 01:03:14.370 I've learned to bite my tongue a bit and Joey hit around the fort and it's 01:03:14.370 --> 01:03:16.590 like, okay, no, not supposed to say that. 01:03:17.060 --> 01:03:18.940 Uh, definitely get a ban for that one. 01:03:18.940 --> 01:03:21.680 And then, uh, yeah, just think it through and then just start with 01:03:21.680 --> 01:03:22.870 the question process is huge. 01:03:23.480 --> 01:03:23.730 Okay. 01:03:23.740 --> 01:03:24.530 On a lighter tone. 01:03:24.785 --> 01:03:25.435 Last question. 01:03:26.355 --> 01:03:27.985 What's your favorite animal to hunt? 01:03:28.040 --> 01:03:29.119 Are 01:03:29.980 --> 01:03:31.120 Joe Eppele: we starting a new podcast? 01:03:33.270 --> 01:03:34.360 That is a big one. 01:03:34.430 --> 01:03:37.610 Um, you know what, the one I always go back to personally, 01:03:37.930 --> 01:03:40.320 um, blacktail, blacktail deer. 01:03:40.320 --> 01:03:42.510 And for me, it's just that nostalgic hunt. 01:03:42.950 --> 01:03:45.510 Um, it's what I grew up doing. 01:03:45.600 --> 01:03:47.160 I grew up hunting blacktail with my father. 01:03:47.160 --> 01:03:51.550 That's what originally, I mean, grouse and blacktail is what I'd 01:03:51.550 --> 01:03:53.200 fell in love with as a child. 01:03:53.550 --> 01:03:55.550 So there's that nostalgic side to it. 01:03:55.610 --> 01:03:58.510 And it's that one hunt that. 01:03:59.055 --> 01:04:02.875 It still makes me feel like that kid again, where I make the dumbest decisions. 01:04:03.205 --> 01:04:05.435 And afterwards I look back and I go, why the heck did I do that? 01:04:05.435 --> 01:04:07.425 Because it still gets me so fluttered. 01:04:07.655 --> 01:04:09.335 Whereas some of the other hunts, don't get me wrong. 01:04:09.335 --> 01:04:14.135 I make, I make mistakes on every hunt that happens, but with Blacktail, it 01:04:14.135 --> 01:04:17.264 just, it always brings me right back into that childhood memory and just. 01:04:17.575 --> 01:04:19.965 Because let's be honest, blacktail hunting, if you're doing it right, a 01:04:19.965 --> 01:04:22.465 lot of the time, it's the nastiest, rainiest, most miserable day. 01:04:22.475 --> 01:04:25.035 And half the time I'm out there, I'm like, why do I love this so much? 01:04:25.035 --> 01:04:27.925 I, I hate that I love it so much, but that's what it is. 01:04:27.925 --> 01:04:29.345 It's that nostalgic hunt for me. 01:04:29.345 --> 01:04:30.845 That's, that's what brings it back. 01:04:31.995 --> 01:04:35.295 That, and talking about that, uh, type two verging on the 01:04:35.295 --> 01:04:36.845 side of type three kind of hunt. 01:04:37.305 --> 01:04:40.825 The whole part leading up to, I mean, cause I injured that deer. 01:04:40.885 --> 01:04:45.205 And then it was over a 24 hour recovery process and tracking it down. 01:04:45.530 --> 01:04:46.420 And finishing the job 01:04:46.420 --> 01:04:47.290 Sean Zubor: rating or something too. 01:04:47.290 --> 01:04:47.520 Right. 01:04:47.550 --> 01:04:48.830 If I remember right, it looked wet. 01:04:48.870 --> 01:04:48.890 It 01:04:49.640 --> 01:04:52.750 Joe Eppele: was snowing at the point of the first shot wounded the animal. 01:04:52.780 --> 01:04:55.720 I thought it was a miss wounded the animal found blood. 01:04:55.920 --> 01:04:57.060 The rain turned to snow. 01:04:57.060 --> 01:04:59.890 I had two hours before dark tracked it as far as I could. 01:04:59.890 --> 01:05:03.920 That night didn't recover it in my mind, thought it wasn't a fatal 01:05:04.070 --> 01:05:07.950 injury, but there's, there's a whole bunch to that again, talk 01:05:07.960 --> 01:05:09.420 about the nostalgic part of it. 01:05:09.420 --> 01:05:12.630 It was my father's birthday and that the hunt hadn't been going well or 01:05:12.630 --> 01:05:13.850 would have been my father's birthday. 01:05:14.195 --> 01:05:18.665 And, uh, yeah, I saw that buck and when I found out when it was a miss, I went, 01:05:18.695 --> 01:05:19.765 you know what, dad, I let you down. 01:05:19.765 --> 01:05:23.885 But then when I found out I injured it, it was just like this weight really letting 01:05:23.885 --> 01:05:25.515 him down just made it that much heavier. 01:05:25.515 --> 01:05:28.855 So then 24 hours later or whatever it was having it all come together. 01:05:29.345 --> 01:05:32.425 Um, and that's a hunt that's going to be tough to top for me. 01:05:32.805 --> 01:05:34.675 And, uh, yeah, that, that was a beautiful buck though. 01:05:34.675 --> 01:05:37.985 And then the way it finished with the tumble into the, over the 80, a hundred 01:05:37.985 --> 01:05:39.465 foot cliff into the river bottom. 01:05:39.465 --> 01:05:39.615 And 01:05:39.615 --> 01:05:41.055 Sean Zubor: that's what I was going to creak in a river. 01:05:41.075 --> 01:05:42.375 Yeah, it was a mess. 01:05:42.425 --> 01:05:44.745 Joe Eppele: There's a lot to that one, but again, that would have to be the 01:05:44.745 --> 01:05:46.865 start of a new podcast if I done that 01:05:46.865 --> 01:05:49.604 Sean Zubor: one. 01:05:50.185 --> 01:05:50.615 Travis Bader: All right, boss. 01:05:51.265 --> 01:05:53.305 Moose, uh, moose, spring bear. 01:05:53.325 --> 01:05:56.205 I love spring bear, but something about moose is giant animals that 01:05:56.205 --> 01:06:00.245 are just ghosts in the forest and being able to call them in working 01:06:00.245 --> 01:06:01.915 in their, uh, their habitat. 01:06:01.925 --> 01:06:05.735 It's, um, it's always been a special hunt for me. 01:06:05.785 --> 01:06:08.015 And then, I don't know, spring bear. 01:06:08.025 --> 01:06:11.725 There's something about the spring bear, being out in the warmer weather and, uh, 01:06:11.885 --> 01:06:14.915 family, um, I, I enjoy those as well. 01:06:15.085 --> 01:06:15.475 You? 01:06:15.475 --> 01:06:21.975 Sean Zubor: So I would say, I would say I don't know. 01:06:21.975 --> 01:06:23.224 There's a couple of times. 01:06:23.605 --> 01:06:23.835 I don't know. 01:06:23.835 --> 01:06:24.515 This is my question. 01:06:24.515 --> 01:06:28.885 I'm not even answering it well, but, um, I, I love sheep hunting cause it's an 01:06:28.885 --> 01:06:33.195 adventure and you know, I did last year, I did a couple of ultra marathons, a hundred 01:06:33.195 --> 01:06:37.385 kilometer one and all this other stuff and I just like pushing myself and you 01:06:37.385 --> 01:06:39.355 just feel this accomplishment afterwards. 01:06:39.355 --> 01:06:42.145 And it's just, I feel like I'm in different places I've never seen before. 01:06:42.145 --> 01:06:46.865 So I would say for the overall challenge, it would be, it would 01:06:46.875 --> 01:06:48.245 be a sheep hunter, a goat hunt. 01:06:48.675 --> 01:06:51.975 Um, But it's not something I could do more than once a year. 01:06:51.975 --> 01:06:52.641 You know what I mean? 01:06:52.641 --> 01:06:54.645 Like some of these guys, these young guys I'm talking to, I'm 01:06:54.695 --> 01:06:55.915 going three sheep hunts next year. 01:06:56.835 --> 01:07:02.225 But, uh, but really, I think last year, my favorite hunt to date, uh, and I have 01:07:02.225 --> 01:07:06.685 some really great ones with my dad too, but I think it's bringing Hunter, my, my 01:07:06.705 --> 01:07:10.695 oldest out, and him shooting his first couple grouse with a Pelican and a 410. 01:07:11.315 --> 01:07:11.925 It's crazy. 01:07:11.925 --> 01:07:16.125 Like when I, um, I used to compete, uh, as you guys know, in MMA and 01:07:16.135 --> 01:07:17.455 Jiu Jitsu and so on and so forth. 01:07:17.845 --> 01:07:19.525 And there were, it was always awesome. 01:07:19.840 --> 01:07:23.620 You know, fighting in front of thousands of people is really cool, but nothing 01:07:23.620 --> 01:07:27.160 replaces like watching some of my students that were 15 years old when 01:07:27.160 --> 01:07:30.590 the Pan Ams and stuff like you just get this, uh, I don't know, you're, you 01:07:30.590 --> 01:07:32.000 feel like you're doing the right thing. 01:07:32.010 --> 01:07:35.300 You know, when you're out there hunting, it's sometimes like, especially on a 01:07:35.340 --> 01:07:38.720 sheep hunt where you're gone for a couple of weeks, it can be a. A selfish moment, 01:07:38.730 --> 01:07:40.940 you know, you like, you feel like that kind of like what you're talking about, 01:07:40.940 --> 01:07:43.460 Joe, like you're leaving your family, you're leaving all these other things. 01:07:43.790 --> 01:07:46.340 I mean, even though it's a must and it's something that's really good for you. 01:07:46.340 --> 01:07:49.010 And I think you bring it back to your family, tenfold and your 01:07:49.010 --> 01:07:50.160 friends and so on and so forth. 01:07:50.160 --> 01:07:54.920 But yeah, I think like watching it pass down in the generation, I think 01:07:54.920 --> 01:07:57.649 it's, it's yeah, huge for me for sure. 01:07:58.510 --> 01:07:59.030 No, there's something 01:07:59.030 --> 01:08:01.340 Joe Eppele: special in that passing of the torch and passing that 01:08:01.880 --> 01:08:03.440 tradition on and everything like that. 01:08:03.440 --> 01:08:06.620 I mean, we go back to our hunting heritage conversation, but yeah, I 01:08:06.620 --> 01:08:08.070 mean, you're at a much different stage. 01:08:08.080 --> 01:08:10.940 My boys are going to be a few years before they can run around, especially 01:08:10.940 --> 01:08:16.690 on their own walkers three, why it's a month old, um, but Walker already 01:08:16.690 --> 01:08:18.230 has a huge passion for the outdoors. 01:08:18.230 --> 01:08:20.740 He loves getting out there and I'm going to continually push him. 01:08:20.740 --> 01:08:22.870 And, and, and I think it's something special too. 01:08:22.870 --> 01:08:23.350 It's every. 01:08:23.825 --> 01:08:27.805 You know, father, parents dream is that their Children will want to go into it. 01:08:27.805 --> 01:08:32.380 And for me, it's not so much that I want him to be a driven, motivated hunter. 01:08:32.400 --> 01:08:36.740 I just want him to learn all the lessons and the values that I lost that I 01:08:36.740 --> 01:08:38.190 learned through my experiences out there. 01:08:38.450 --> 01:08:42.180 It teaches you so much about perseverance, about trials and tribulations, 01:08:42.190 --> 01:08:43.210 about doing everything right. 01:08:43.210 --> 01:08:44.550 And stuff's still not working out. 01:08:44.990 --> 01:08:46.030 Um, and just. 01:08:46.305 --> 01:08:48.915 You know, it, it teaches you all of those lessons, those values 01:08:48.935 --> 01:08:50.665 being prepared, responsibility. 01:08:50.995 --> 01:08:53.735 Um, so, so that's what I really want to be able to hand on down to them. 01:08:53.765 --> 01:08:56.745 So, I mean, when you were talking about that, like it literally gives me 01:08:56.745 --> 01:09:00.085 goosebumps thinking about when I'm at the age where I get to see those boys 01:09:00.085 --> 01:09:01.715 doing the, oh man, it's, that's a dream. 01:09:01.715 --> 01:09:01.744 It's 01:09:01.745 --> 01:09:02.135 Sean Zubor: amazing. 01:09:02.135 --> 01:09:03.445 And I have my youngest, Jack. 01:09:03.565 --> 01:09:05.905 He's, uh, he's turning seven. 01:09:05.945 --> 01:09:06.575 He's there too. 01:09:06.575 --> 01:09:09.405 And he's just, yeah, it is, it is pretty, uh, watching them play 01:09:09.405 --> 01:09:12.525 with the fire and all these, yeah, it brings back memories as a kid. 01:09:13.295 --> 01:09:14.655 It's, it's been huge for sure. 01:09:15.275 --> 01:09:15.555 Okay. 01:09:15.555 --> 01:09:19.765 Well, before we wrap it up, even though I think this is gonna be your podcast, 01:09:24.135 --> 01:09:26.915 before we wrap it up, cause we are in this amazing place. 01:09:26.935 --> 01:09:27.995 And a lot of people have been saying this. 01:09:28.795 --> 01:09:30.075 Joe, quick question. 01:09:30.245 --> 01:09:31.465 How do they become a member? 01:09:32.295 --> 01:09:34.915 Um, what are like a couple of the different levels? 01:09:34.915 --> 01:09:36.025 What, what should they be doing? 01:09:36.025 --> 01:09:37.285 I mean, might as well, we're here. 01:09:37.285 --> 01:09:38.015 Let's, let's promote. 01:09:38.055 --> 01:09:38.275 First 01:09:38.715 --> 01:09:40.565 Joe Eppele: and foremost, I mean, yeah, if you're here, obviously 01:09:40.565 --> 01:09:41.895 there'll be members walking around. 01:09:41.895 --> 01:09:42.785 People can get signed up. 01:09:42.815 --> 01:09:45.615 If you're not here physically and those at home watching, 01:09:45.615 --> 01:09:46.975 just go and watch Huge Society. 01:09:47.185 --> 01:09:47.965 Uh, vc. 01:09:47.965 --> 01:09:51.905 com, I believe is the website we can maybe throw it on the, and there'll be 01:09:51.905 --> 01:09:54.885 drop downs and you can talk about all the various different, uh, memberships. 01:09:54.885 --> 01:09:58.025 Obviously there's, there's individual memberships, there's 01:09:58.065 --> 01:10:01.745 annual memberships, and then there's, um, lifetime memberships. 01:10:01.745 --> 01:10:04.205 And then you can get into the tiers of the lifetime memberships. 01:10:04.475 --> 01:10:06.815 Um, after your original lifetime membership, there's actually 01:10:06.815 --> 01:10:10.445 opportunities to get charitable tax receipts as well, which is a big driver. 01:10:10.695 --> 01:10:13.335 Um, and then a new one we launched last year is the, the half 01:10:13.345 --> 01:10:15.255 curl membership, which is for. 01:10:15.720 --> 01:10:21.400 It's it's a lifetime membership for our members under 18 and it's a that's a 500 01:10:21.400 --> 01:10:25.190 membership But then you're a lifetime member up until your 18th birthday Don 01:10:25.190 --> 01:10:29.170 Stevens were sitting across from his booth right now All of our half curl members 01:10:29.170 --> 01:10:33.210 were presented with a beautiful plaque and a custom made knife from Don Stevens 01:10:33.480 --> 01:10:37.000 So they all get that it's and again, it's talking about, you know passing the torch. 01:10:37.320 --> 01:10:40.655 We're hoping that You know, creating these special events, there's gonna 01:10:40.655 --> 01:10:44.655 be special hunts drawn just for our youth being able to, you know, prizes, 01:10:44.655 --> 01:10:46.865 raffles, everything that, and then throughout the year, we're gonna have 01:10:46.865 --> 01:10:48.135 different events for our youth as well. 01:10:48.525 --> 01:10:52.665 Um, but create that healthy funnel where we bring people up in this 01:10:52.665 --> 01:10:54.315 culture and show that it really is. 01:10:54.765 --> 01:10:56.455 Uh, family environment. 01:10:56.455 --> 01:10:57.455 It's a community. 01:10:58.125 --> 01:10:59.135 There's so much more to it. 01:10:59.135 --> 01:11:00.335 So, so that's a big thing. 01:11:00.335 --> 01:11:02.265 But yeah, everything is available online. 01:11:02.295 --> 01:11:03.795 Go on the website, check it out. 01:11:04.105 --> 01:11:08.155 Um, and, and it's not one of those things where you have to have a ton of money 01:11:08.405 --> 01:11:12.495 to have an impact, you know, um, you can sign up for just a one year membership. 01:11:12.575 --> 01:11:16.725 And I was, I did, I think, I think two or three just one year memberships 01:11:16.725 --> 01:11:18.485 before I decided to be a life member. 01:11:18.765 --> 01:11:19.685 And now I'm a monarch. 01:11:19.805 --> 01:11:21.505 So I took a few steps after that. 01:11:21.535 --> 01:11:22.685 And now both my boys. 01:11:23.055 --> 01:11:24.165 Our half curl members. 01:11:24.165 --> 01:11:27.875 And it's just one of those things where it's a group that I started on 01:11:27.875 --> 01:11:33.155 the outside and I saw the dollars that I put in directly trans transition to 01:11:33.155 --> 01:11:34.435 translate into boots on the ground. 01:11:34.815 --> 01:11:37.795 And then as I started going to the AGMs and started to go to these 01:11:37.795 --> 01:11:39.995 things, you really do see, like, it's not like some of those other 01:11:39.995 --> 01:11:43.325 organizations where 20 cents on the dollar actually makes it to the cause. 01:11:43.325 --> 01:11:45.565 So, so I started feeling better and better about it. 01:11:45.565 --> 01:11:47.075 And it's like, okay, well I'm putting money there. 01:11:47.345 --> 01:11:48.415 I want to put my time there. 01:11:48.615 --> 01:11:50.785 And it's, it's just one of those communities where once you. 01:11:51.605 --> 01:11:52.645 Get your toe in the door. 01:11:52.805 --> 01:11:55.925 You don't want to leave and you want to do more, become more involved. 01:11:55.925 --> 01:11:57.715 You want to be a part of it more and more and more. 01:11:57.765 --> 01:12:00.195 And, uh, that's, so just get started. 01:12:00.265 --> 01:12:00.995 Get online. 01:12:01.205 --> 01:12:02.735 Sign up for just a year membership. 01:12:03.125 --> 01:12:05.265 Come down, check it out, see what it's all about. 01:12:05.315 --> 01:12:07.995 And it's just one of those places that you look forward to being every year. 01:12:08.955 --> 01:12:11.205 Travis Bader: To your point about toe in the door there, every year I 01:12:11.205 --> 01:12:14.225 do the 60 bucks or whatever it is. 01:12:15.220 --> 01:12:18.650 So today my wife and I got the, uh, lifetime membership. 01:12:19.360 --> 01:12:21.460 You put that challenge out yesterday. 01:12:21.470 --> 01:12:24.039 Of course, kind of cheated a little bit with, uh, with 01:12:24.040 --> 01:12:25.350 Wyatt there, but that's good. 01:12:25.410 --> 01:12:25.830 That's good. 01:12:25.850 --> 01:12:27.380 It was a good challenge for everyone. 01:12:27.440 --> 01:12:31.480 And that, uh, the half curl, when they turn 18, they get a 01:12:31.480 --> 01:12:32.960 lifetime membership at half price. 01:12:33.230 --> 01:12:38.250 Joe Eppele: So the 500 fee of the half curl membership is basically 01:12:38.250 --> 01:12:39.970 your deposit on your life member. 01:12:39.970 --> 01:12:43.520 So then once you get to 18, there'll be a coming of age ceremony. 01:12:43.520 --> 01:12:44.360 You'll be notified. 01:12:44.655 --> 01:12:46.515 This can be a year, there'll be a presentation. 01:12:46.515 --> 01:12:50.025 They go to go up on stage and they just pay the remaining balance. 01:12:50.395 --> 01:12:52.105 And then they're a member for life. 01:12:52.105 --> 01:12:55.095 And you had access to all those resources, all of those opportunities. 01:12:55.095 --> 01:12:57.675 I mean, we're giving away a guided whitetail hunt, and there's 01:12:57.675 --> 01:13:00.525 only, I think, less than 20 members right now that qualify. 01:13:00.565 --> 01:13:03.165 Both of my sons don't qualify for that hunt because they're under 10. 01:13:03.175 --> 01:13:04.795 It's only the 10 to 18 year olds. 01:13:04.925 --> 01:13:07.485 And those hunt opportunities are only going to get better year after year. 01:13:07.685 --> 01:13:10.225 So if you're going to sign up every, you're going to qualify for that every 01:13:10.225 --> 01:13:11.815 year from now until your 18th birthday. 01:13:12.260 --> 01:13:14.470 And it's, yeah, there's some great things. 01:13:14.480 --> 01:13:16.760 And I do want to say that was my challenge. 01:13:16.760 --> 01:13:19.180 I issued Wyatt was yes. 01:13:19.190 --> 01:13:20.370 My I've checked that box. 01:13:21.080 --> 01:13:24.960 My challenge to myself to bring one member into the fold is on top of that. 01:13:25.160 --> 01:13:27.430 So that did not include Wyatt, 01:13:29.660 --> 01:13:30.020 but, 01:13:30.020 --> 01:13:32.730 Travis Bader: um, second, you said it, I leaned over beside 01:13:32.730 --> 01:13:34.740 me, I said, He's got an easy one. 01:13:34.820 --> 01:13:36.100 All he's got to do is get Wyatt up there. 01:13:36.100 --> 01:13:37.490 He's got it set, and then he mentioned. 01:13:37.860 --> 01:13:39.980 Joe Eppele: Yeah, and the other thing worth mentioning as well in talking 01:13:39.980 --> 01:13:43.050 about finance is obviously it's not always easy to do the full commitment. 01:13:43.070 --> 01:13:44.800 Yes, year after year, there's the annual ones. 01:13:45.010 --> 01:13:46.950 If you want to get into a lifetime, there's payment plans. 01:13:47.160 --> 01:13:49.330 So you can set it up on monthly plans or whatever it is. 01:13:49.340 --> 01:13:50.510 It doesn't have to be chipped away. 01:13:50.510 --> 01:13:52.790 And then once you're a life member, you can chip away to 01:13:52.790 --> 01:13:54.100 your different stages of Monarch. 01:13:54.675 --> 01:13:56.605 Year after year, there's different ways to contribute. 01:13:56.605 --> 01:13:58.385 It doesn't have to be a one time purchase. 01:13:58.385 --> 01:13:59.855 It doesn't have to be that huge hit. 01:13:59.895 --> 01:14:02.025 You can, you can stagger it out throughout the year for sure. 01:14:02.145 --> 01:14:04.025 Sean Zubor: And I'll throw this out there too, because I'm 01:14:04.025 --> 01:14:05.225 sure this is going to come up. 01:14:05.455 --> 01:14:07.505 What if I don't hunt sheep? 01:14:07.835 --> 01:14:09.595 Um, what if I don't hunt goats? 01:14:09.595 --> 01:14:11.845 What if I'm not a mountain hunter, et cetera? 01:14:12.285 --> 01:14:13.595 Um, I'm going to throw it. 01:14:13.595 --> 01:14:14.049 This is just. 01:14:14.720 --> 01:14:16.320 personal anecdotal stuff. 01:14:16.320 --> 01:14:21.160 So I was a lifetime member before I ever went on my first sheep hunt or right 01:14:21.160 --> 01:14:22.850 around the same time, give or take. 01:14:22.930 --> 01:14:27.100 And I can tell you one thing, and I'm obviously, it's an amazing thing and 01:14:27.100 --> 01:14:32.760 the support system for, um, for our wildlife in and of itself, but Hey, 01:14:32.840 --> 01:14:36.180 it's difficult to find people that want to actually do sheep hunting. 01:14:36.190 --> 01:14:39.480 It's difficult to find people that want to show you the way or 01:14:39.480 --> 01:14:40.980 learn from or so on and so forth. 01:14:41.510 --> 01:14:42.979 And I can tell you here. 01:14:43.080 --> 01:14:45.870 You hang out here, you become part of the society you're going to meet. 01:14:45.870 --> 01:14:48.450 I'm not saying they're going to give you all their honey holes, but, um, 01:14:48.460 --> 01:14:51.760 you're going to meet people that are, you know, you can become friends with, 01:14:51.760 --> 01:14:53.550 go on sheep hunts, build that community. 01:14:53.550 --> 01:14:55.480 You can actually learn how to hunt. 01:14:55.770 --> 01:14:58.800 I mean, how many, uh, hunting university things did we have in 01:14:58.800 --> 01:15:03.110 the last couple of days, like 30 or 40 of them still go exactly. 01:15:03.110 --> 01:15:03.350 Right. 01:15:03.350 --> 01:15:03.610 So. 01:15:04.305 --> 01:15:07.925 If you're looking like the price of admission to learn how to hunt these 01:15:08.355 --> 01:15:13.475 amazing, uh, uh, animals and to overall be a part of the community that will 01:15:13.475 --> 01:15:16.895 help you teach and learn and maybe find that hunting partner that you 01:15:16.895 --> 01:15:20.025 need that will actually put those boots on and head up the mountain is 01:15:20.025 --> 01:15:23.255 an amazing place to do it for sure worth every penny just on that alone to 01:15:23.255 --> 01:15:25.685 Joe Eppele: add on top of that, you said, you know, for individuals that 01:15:25.845 --> 01:15:28.055 want to get into hunting, but even individuals that don't intend to 01:15:28.055 --> 01:15:31.545 hunt this, these funds go towards. 01:15:31.555 --> 01:15:31.575 Yeah. 01:15:32.045 --> 01:15:36.035 Habitat restoration towards disease prevention, education, things like that. 01:15:36.045 --> 01:15:37.395 That's what this money's going towards. 01:15:38.230 --> 01:15:41.570 One of those organizations, it's the money directly goes to boots on the 01:15:41.570 --> 01:15:45.480 ground efforts to making sure that our landscape have these wild animals 01:15:45.620 --> 01:15:47.640 on them for the future generations. 01:15:47.900 --> 01:15:50.810 So even if you don't intend to hunt, but you just love the outdoors, it's 01:15:50.810 --> 01:15:54.240 a phenomenal organization to get involved with on that basis alone. 01:15:54.420 --> 01:15:57.410 And then down the road, yes, maybe one day you'll get pulled into the fold 01:15:57.410 --> 01:16:02.180 and looped into going on a hunt or have an opportunity, but it's, you don't 01:16:02.180 --> 01:16:05.040 have to be a hunter to come here and feel good about being here and feel 01:16:05.040 --> 01:16:06.310 good about what your money's doing. 01:16:06.620 --> 01:16:06.970 Right. 01:16:06.980 --> 01:16:07.190 So. 01:16:08.055 --> 01:16:08.415 Travis Bader: Awesome. 01:16:08.625 --> 01:16:09.075 Well said. 01:16:09.195 --> 01:16:10.815 I think we, uh, call it a up there. 01:16:10.935 --> 01:16:11.205 Yeah. 01:16:11.505 --> 01:16:12.045 Sean Zubor: Thanks boys. 01:16:12.045 --> 01:16:12.555 Travis Bader: It's been great. 01:16:12.975 --> 01:16:13.725 Sean Zubor: Thanks for having me.