WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.800 --> 00:00:03.680 You're listening to The Bible Guys, a podcast where a 2 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:06.440 couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun in 3 00:00:06.559 --> 00:00:14.199 practical ways. Hey, everybody, welcome to the Bible Guys. We 4 00:00:14.359 --> 00:00:17.000 are Chris and Jeff. And I'll give you one guess 5 00:00:17.039 --> 00:00:23.199 as to who's Chris and who's Jeff. Yeah, don't I'd say, Well, 6 00:00:23.239 --> 00:00:25.679 I mean what if they're not if they're not watching, 7 00:00:25.719 --> 00:00:29.000 they're only listening. That they just have to determine by 8 00:00:29.039 --> 00:00:31.519 the voice, right, So Chris is the smoke one. 9 00:00:31.559 --> 00:00:34.039 That's the one that sounds young and handsome. Is Jeff? 10 00:00:34.079 --> 00:00:35.520 Oh, I was going to say, the one who sounds 11 00:00:36.560 --> 00:00:38.840 gritty and smoky. Yes, that's Chris. 12 00:00:38.880 --> 00:00:39.679 Chris, that's right. 13 00:00:40.679 --> 00:00:42.479 Yeah. So I always say that when I go into 14 00:00:42.479 --> 00:00:45.640 a doctor's office and they say, okay, do you drink? No, 15 00:00:46.079 --> 00:00:47.960 do you smoke? And I say no, and they look 16 00:00:47.960 --> 00:00:50.240 at me and I'm telling you, almost always they go 17 00:00:50.399 --> 00:00:55.119 really yeah, ever, yeah yeah, because of my voice. Yeah, 18 00:00:55.159 --> 00:00:55.799 that's what they do. 19 00:00:56.240 --> 00:00:57.439 So you've got a great radio. 20 00:00:57.280 --> 00:00:58.719 Voice, is it though? 21 00:00:58.799 --> 00:01:01.079 Yeah, it's a good, good read a voice. It's memorable. 22 00:01:01.799 --> 00:01:03.280 Well, yeah, that that's probably matter. 23 00:01:03.479 --> 00:01:08.519 You've got a great radio face. Radio God really gifted you. 24 00:01:08.599 --> 00:01:11.920 Yeah. I remember when I first got to college, doctor 25 00:01:11.920 --> 00:01:13.920 Gary Gray said, hey, you're looking for a job, and 26 00:01:13.959 --> 00:01:16.519 I said yeah. He says, there's a there's a job 27 00:01:16.560 --> 00:01:18.439 at a dough factory that I can hook you up with, 28 00:01:18.480 --> 00:01:21.159 and everybody's standing there. I thought he was totally serious, 29 00:01:21.439 --> 00:01:22.719 and he goes. He goes, you'd be great, because you'd 30 00:01:22.719 --> 00:01:24.319 be great for this job, boring anybody else. He goes, 31 00:01:24.359 --> 00:01:25.560 do you really want it? And I said, yeah, I 32 00:01:25.560 --> 00:01:27.599 need some money. He goes, yeah, he goes, it's a 33 00:01:27.680 --> 00:01:29.519 it's an assembly line job, and he said, the big 34 00:01:29.560 --> 00:01:31.840 palad dough comes by and he goes, and then what 35 00:01:31.879 --> 00:01:33.159 you have to do is you have to slam your 36 00:01:33.159 --> 00:01:35.120 face down and make monkey cookies. 37 00:01:40.480 --> 00:01:42.000 He said, make monkey cookies. 38 00:01:42.040 --> 00:01:43.120 Yeh's really great. 39 00:01:43.319 --> 00:01:45.519 Your buddy Jeff Miller has a raspy voice, too. 40 00:01:46.000 --> 00:01:46.439 Does he? 41 00:01:46.560 --> 00:01:49.359 Yeah, a little bits like this. Yeah. 42 00:01:49.359 --> 00:01:51.439 I didn't really clout qualified as that. 43 00:01:51.560 --> 00:01:55.719 Yeah voice, Maybe because I'm the king of rasp Yeah. 44 00:01:56.040 --> 00:01:58.000 He doesn't have a butter smooth voice like mine. 45 00:01:58.239 --> 00:01:59.239 Oh yeah, right, so. 46 00:01:59.159 --> 00:02:00.319 He's got a raspy flora. 47 00:02:00.359 --> 00:02:02.680 Bettersmith's voice is nothing compared to Wesley's. 48 00:02:02.719 --> 00:02:04.400 Yes, well, who's Wesley? 49 00:02:04.920 --> 00:02:06.959 Who's Wesley, the guy that filled in for you. 50 00:02:07.079 --> 00:02:08.840 I know he killed it. He killed it. Hey. By 51 00:02:08.879 --> 00:02:10.439 the way, I came into the office all of you, 52 00:02:10.520 --> 00:02:13.000 everybody that you said something nice about Wesley filling in. 53 00:02:13.039 --> 00:02:17.039 A couple weeks ago. It was every day multiple people 54 00:02:17.039 --> 00:02:19.439 would post about how great Wesley was. So I went 55 00:02:19.479 --> 00:02:21.680 in Wesley and told him he's uninvited to help anymore. 56 00:02:21.879 --> 00:02:26.319 Right right, you threatened exactly. Now he did a great job. 57 00:02:26.439 --> 00:02:28.680 Great job. So really thankful for him and for Kyle. 58 00:02:28.719 --> 00:02:29.639 They both did great job. 59 00:02:29.759 --> 00:02:32.879 Hey. So this segment's gonna be pretty quick. This is 60 00:02:32.879 --> 00:02:36.080 one of our favorite segments, and it's called Who's most likely? Yes, 61 00:02:36.199 --> 00:02:37.840 So we have five different things and we're going to 62 00:02:37.960 --> 00:02:39.159 vote very quickly. 63 00:02:38.879 --> 00:02:43.080 And typically the answer is Chris. Chris is most likely. 64 00:02:43.560 --> 00:02:46.280 Yeah. Here we go, all right. Number one, Who's most 65 00:02:46.360 --> 00:02:49.439 likely to start a food fight at a fancy dinner? Chris? 66 00:02:49.520 --> 00:02:50.000 That's Chris. 67 00:02:50.199 --> 00:02:51.080 Yeah, I told you. 68 00:02:51.120 --> 00:02:52.879 Now, here's the question. Have you ever started a food 69 00:02:52.919 --> 00:02:53.840 fight at a fancy didn't? 70 00:02:53.840 --> 00:02:54.240 No? I have not. 71 00:02:54.759 --> 00:02:55.879 Have you ever started a food fight? 72 00:02:56.000 --> 00:02:59.520 Yes, oh you have, yeah, but not at a fancy dinner? 73 00:02:59.639 --> 00:03:03.919 Okay, well it depends on how fancy it is. I 74 00:03:03.919 --> 00:03:09.080 guess I would say, I've really I've only started like 75 00:03:09.120 --> 00:03:09.960 five food fights. 76 00:03:10.080 --> 00:03:13.759 Yeah, only Yeah. I wonder how many food fights our 77 00:03:13.759 --> 00:03:18.560 listeners have started, like only five, Like, it's not many. 78 00:03:19.159 --> 00:03:22.000 It's four and three quarters more than everybody else. I 79 00:03:22.039 --> 00:03:24.360 want to say that, did you smash your cake in 80 00:03:24.360 --> 00:03:26.719 your wife's face when you guys got yes? Yeah, Well 81 00:03:26.759 --> 00:03:28.159 there you go. That's where it starts. 82 00:03:28.240 --> 00:03:30.759 Yeah, there it is. By the way, three of those 83 00:03:30.759 --> 00:03:32.599 food fights I started were in high school. 84 00:03:32.759 --> 00:03:34.759 Yeah, so I started them in high school too. 85 00:03:34.960 --> 00:03:38.039 All right. Number two, who's most likely to try to 86 00:03:38.199 --> 00:03:42.000 try to pet a wild animal? That would be definitely you. 87 00:03:42.319 --> 00:03:44.560 I have many times, yeah. 88 00:03:44.000 --> 00:03:46.599 And you try or accomplish. 89 00:03:46.599 --> 00:03:48.840 One time, we were in a vehicle and we pulled 90 00:03:48.879 --> 00:03:50.680 up next to a kudu, one of those great big 91 00:03:50.719 --> 00:03:55.319 giant Africa, six hundred pounds, and he came over really close, 92 00:03:55.479 --> 00:03:57.840 and they have a beard. Yeah, and so I went, 93 00:03:57.879 --> 00:03:59.719 I just touched his beard, and he pulled his head back. 94 00:04:00.240 --> 00:04:00.479 Wow. 95 00:04:00.560 --> 00:04:02.639 And then I started to reach back out to touch 96 00:04:02.639 --> 00:04:04.280 his beard again, and he smashed his head on the 97 00:04:04.319 --> 00:04:07.439 roof of our car. And then I waited for a second, 98 00:04:07.560 --> 00:04:10.520 and then he started leaning back in and I reached 99 00:04:10.520 --> 00:04:12.479 out to pettym on the thing, and he pulled up 100 00:04:12.520 --> 00:04:15.439 and he hit those antlers, those those big giant horns, 101 00:04:15.719 --> 00:04:18.399 you know, there's those big twisty giants. Smash those on 102 00:04:18.439 --> 00:04:21.399 top of our car and for years we had dent 103 00:04:21.480 --> 00:04:23.519 on the top of our car because one of those 104 00:04:23.560 --> 00:04:26.680 drive through things. Yeah, yeah, I do it all the time. 105 00:04:26.720 --> 00:04:28.680 I like to try to pet animals. I got a 106 00:04:28.720 --> 00:04:31.879 whole bunch of pictures of me with animals in my office. 107 00:04:32.120 --> 00:04:32.319 Yeah. 108 00:04:32.439 --> 00:04:35.959 We got a picture of me with a cobra, remember, yeah. 109 00:04:35.800 --> 00:04:42.120 Yeah, yeah, there's a camel. There's you with a live crocodile. Yeah. 110 00:04:42.279 --> 00:04:44.079 Did you ever do a crocodile wrestling thing? Do you 111 00:04:44.079 --> 00:04:46.120 ever go get your picture taking wrestling with the crocodile 112 00:04:46.519 --> 00:04:47.199 or an alligator? 113 00:04:47.319 --> 00:04:51.040 Have I held an alligator at a put putt course? 114 00:04:51.360 --> 00:04:52.639 I got one where you had to sit on him, 115 00:04:52.680 --> 00:04:54.480 so you had to get in there and hold him 116 00:04:54.480 --> 00:04:57.360 pitting down and hold his mouth to get a picture. 117 00:04:57.399 --> 00:04:59.519 My mine was like two feet Yeah I was. 118 00:05:02.000 --> 00:05:03.560 Anyways, Okay, all right, who's. 119 00:05:03.279 --> 00:05:06.279 Most likely to try and impress someone with a magic 120 00:05:06.360 --> 00:05:08.279 trick that goes hilariously wrong. 121 00:05:10.240 --> 00:05:12.839 We'll try to impress. That's usually both of us. Yeah, 122 00:05:12.920 --> 00:05:17.720 magic trick. You're probably better at magic than me. Goes wrong, 123 00:05:17.839 --> 00:05:18.480 that's always me. 124 00:05:20.879 --> 00:05:23.120 Well, I've never actually believe it or not. This is 125 00:05:23.319 --> 00:05:26.519 sounding funny, but I actually have done plenty of pretty 126 00:05:26.560 --> 00:05:29.800 big magic tricks. When I say plenty, I mean like four, 127 00:05:30.439 --> 00:05:33.319 but which is a lot more. Yes, I've done it 128 00:05:33.319 --> 00:05:36.560 in front of three to four hundred people, right, only 129 00:05:36.600 --> 00:05:38.560 because I. 130 00:05:38.279 --> 00:05:39.319 Had a magical guy. 131 00:05:39.839 --> 00:05:42.000 No, I'm not magic. In fact, I did it in 132 00:05:42.040 --> 00:05:43.959 front of thousands actually because I did it on a 133 00:05:44.000 --> 00:05:47.639 weekend one time. But anyway, I did like escape out 134 00:05:47.680 --> 00:05:52.560 of a box because my buddy Josh Eisenhardt was a 135 00:05:52.600 --> 00:05:55.920 pretty big magician and he taught me through and led 136 00:05:55.959 --> 00:05:58.560 me through, and I've used them to teach cool. Yeah, 137 00:05:58.560 --> 00:06:01.319 it's pretty cool. Thing has ever gone wrong? Thank goodness? 138 00:06:01.399 --> 00:06:03.360 Yeah, so the gune wrong parts where it triggers it 139 00:06:03.399 --> 00:06:04.519 over to my side to the table. 140 00:06:04.560 --> 00:06:06.560 So the vote is probably me, have you? 141 00:06:06.639 --> 00:06:06.800 Yeah? 142 00:06:06.879 --> 00:06:07.079 Yeah? 143 00:06:07.079 --> 00:06:09.600 I think so. Okay, you're most likely to do the 144 00:06:09.639 --> 00:06:11.680 magic trick. If I tried it, it would go. 145 00:06:11.800 --> 00:06:14.399 Hey, is it my imagination or is this? Has this 146 00:06:14.519 --> 00:06:16.160 come up like three times? 147 00:06:16.199 --> 00:06:19.720 Pet rock thing? Only now it's about naming it something extravagant. 148 00:06:20.160 --> 00:06:22.040 Isn't this the third pet rock question? 149 00:06:22.240 --> 00:06:23.000 It seems like it. 150 00:06:23.199 --> 00:06:25.120 Who's most likely to get a pet rock and you 151 00:06:25.199 --> 00:06:26.920 name it something extravagant, Well. 152 00:06:26.839 --> 00:06:27.480 Then it's clearly you. 153 00:06:27.639 --> 00:06:29.800 It's clearly me because I never had a pet rock. 154 00:06:29.839 --> 00:06:31.399 I think, well, I had, I had a pet rock 155 00:06:31.399 --> 00:06:33.160 given to me. I didn't get a pet rock. 156 00:06:33.360 --> 00:06:35.680 I did, clearly. It was just only last week when 157 00:06:35.720 --> 00:06:38.199 we talked about pet rocks. Yeah, and I had, And 158 00:06:38.240 --> 00:06:40.879 I told you I had a collection of rocks, remember, Yeah. Okay, 159 00:06:41.360 --> 00:06:43.759 So I guess that's me extravagant names and we're just 160 00:06:43.759 --> 00:06:47.120 gonna move past that desiree. But let's let's xnay on 161 00:06:47.160 --> 00:06:54.199 the at rock pay. Okay, So last one, who's most 162 00:06:54.319 --> 00:06:56.560 likely to forget they were supposed to be on a 163 00:06:56.639 --> 00:06:58.480 diet while eating a whole cake? 164 00:06:59.839 --> 00:07:02.360 I have forgotten many times that I was on a diet. 165 00:07:03.560 --> 00:07:05.759 And I don't like cake, So it's going to have 166 00:07:05.800 --> 00:07:06.120 to be you. 167 00:07:06.959 --> 00:07:09.600 And once I get started, I want to finish a thing. Okay, 168 00:07:09.720 --> 00:07:11.439 that's important. I'm not a quitter. 169 00:07:11.800 --> 00:07:13.600 It's clearly it's clearly you. 170 00:07:13.680 --> 00:07:16.639 Then I don't think I've ever eaten a whole cake 171 00:07:17.079 --> 00:07:18.120 eating the whole cakes a lot. 172 00:07:18.240 --> 00:07:20.160 I have not forgotten that I was on a diet, 173 00:07:20.199 --> 00:07:22.399 I have, but I have forgotten that I was supposed 174 00:07:22.399 --> 00:07:23.160 to be fasting. 175 00:07:23.560 --> 00:07:25.839 Oh I'm me too. I was like, yes, we're going 176 00:07:25.879 --> 00:07:28.800 to fast, and then yes, oh good, it's lunchtime, right right, 177 00:07:28.839 --> 00:07:29.800 I just forget. 178 00:07:29.519 --> 00:07:30.079 I've done that. 179 00:07:30.360 --> 00:07:30.600 Yep. 180 00:07:31.120 --> 00:07:34.720 So anyway, good, well, thank you, DESI ight, and I. 181 00:07:34.680 --> 00:07:36.439 Think I'm supposed to say something like, well there you go, 182 00:07:36.800 --> 00:07:40.000 right right, Okay. Today we are starting in Second Samuel, 183 00:07:40.040 --> 00:07:45.120 chapter thirteen, and do you remember the part where Nathan, 184 00:07:45.759 --> 00:07:49.519 in Nathan's confrontation with David, the curse from God is, hey, 185 00:07:49.519 --> 00:07:50.920 you're gonna have a lot of problems in your family. 186 00:07:51.040 --> 00:07:52.480 He says, you're going to live by the sword. Your 187 00:07:52.480 --> 00:07:53.759 whole family's gonna live by the sword. 188 00:07:53.800 --> 00:07:58.079 That's right. So there are many psalms after that where 189 00:07:58.160 --> 00:08:01.879 David confesses sin. He does all these things, and then 190 00:08:03.319 --> 00:08:05.639 his family begins to grow up. You know, he has 191 00:08:05.759 --> 00:08:09.639 multiple wives, and so even though Bethsheba just now is 192 00:08:10.199 --> 00:08:15.160 expecting Solomon, David's youngest son, here at this point, he 193 00:08:15.199 --> 00:08:17.839 already has some other children through his other wives. And 194 00:08:18.519 --> 00:08:21.560 again we'll go on record as saying God forbade this, 195 00:08:22.120 --> 00:08:25.720 but people did it right, and so it's not acceptable. 196 00:08:25.720 --> 00:08:27.879 It's not a good thing. Polygamy is not an acceptable 197 00:08:27.920 --> 00:08:31.160 thing to God in the Bible, but it happened for 198 00:08:31.279 --> 00:08:35.159 many of the people. So David has a son, and 199 00:08:35.960 --> 00:08:41.120 his name is Amnon. And here's what it says now. 200 00:08:41.159 --> 00:08:45.279 David's son Absolom had a beautiful sister named Tamar, and Amnon, 201 00:08:45.320 --> 00:08:48.440 her half brother, fell desperately in love with her. Amnon 202 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:50.679 became so obsessed with Tamar that he became ill. And 203 00:08:50.720 --> 00:08:53.240 she was a virgin, and Amnon thin, I thought he 204 00:08:53.279 --> 00:08:57.039 could never have her. But Amnon had a very crafty friend, 205 00:08:57.440 --> 00:09:00.279 his cousin, Jonahdab. He was the son of David's brother 206 00:09:00.360 --> 00:09:04.960 Shimier or Simia. Yeah, one day Johnadab said to Amnon, 207 00:09:05.000 --> 00:09:07.200 what's the trouble. Why should the son of a king 208 00:09:07.240 --> 00:09:10.399 look so dejected morning after morning? So Amnon told him, 209 00:09:10.399 --> 00:09:13.399 I'm in love with Tamar, my brother absolom sister. Well, 210 00:09:13.480 --> 00:09:15.799 Johnadab said, I'll tell you what to do. Go back 211 00:09:15.840 --> 00:09:17.480 to bed and pretend you're ill, and when your father 212 00:09:17.559 --> 00:09:19.679 comes to see you, ask him to let Tamar come 213 00:09:19.720 --> 00:09:21.679 and prepare some food for you, and tell him, you'll 214 00:09:21.679 --> 00:09:23.919 feel better if she prepares it as you watch and 215 00:09:24.120 --> 00:09:26.360 feeds you with her own hands. And so Amnon laid 216 00:09:26.360 --> 00:09:28.600 down pretend to be sick. And when the king came 217 00:09:28.639 --> 00:09:30.840 to see him, Amnon asked him, please let my sister 218 00:09:30.879 --> 00:09:34.159 Tamar come and cook my favorite dishes a watch, and 219 00:09:34.200 --> 00:09:35.519 then I can eat it from her own hand. And 220 00:09:35.559 --> 00:09:38.120 so David agreed and sent Tamar to Amnon's house to 221 00:09:38.120 --> 00:09:42.120 prepare some food for him. When Tamar arrived at Amnon's house, 222 00:09:42.399 --> 00:09:44.279 she went to the place where he was laying down 223 00:09:44.320 --> 00:09:48.320 so he could watch her mix some dough. Then she 224 00:09:48.440 --> 00:09:50.840 baked his favorite dish for him, but when she set 225 00:09:50.879 --> 00:09:53.799 the serving tray before him, he refused to eat. Everyone 226 00:09:53.879 --> 00:09:56.120 get out of here, Amnon told the servants, and so 227 00:09:56.159 --> 00:09:58.159 they all left, and then he said to Tamar, now 228 00:09:58.159 --> 00:09:59.960 bring the food into my bedroom and feed it to me. 229 00:10:00.399 --> 00:10:02.759 So Tamar took his favorite dish to him, but as 230 00:10:02.759 --> 00:10:05.279 she was feeding him, he grabbed her and demanded, come 231 00:10:05.279 --> 00:10:07.919 to bed with me, my darling sister. No, my brother, 232 00:10:08.000 --> 00:10:09.879 she cried, don't be foolish, don't do this to me. 233 00:10:09.960 --> 00:10:12.399 Such wicked things aren't done in Israel. Where could I 234 00:10:12.440 --> 00:10:14.879 go in my shame, and you would be called one 235 00:10:14.919 --> 00:10:17.480 of the greatest fools in Israel. Please just speak to 236 00:10:17.519 --> 00:10:19.080 the king about it and he'll let you marry me. 237 00:10:19.679 --> 00:10:21.759 Amnon wouldn't listen to her, and since he was stronger 238 00:10:21.799 --> 00:10:25.279 than she was, he raped her. Then suddenly Amnon's love 239 00:10:25.360 --> 00:10:27.679 turned to hate, and he hated her even more than 240 00:10:27.679 --> 00:10:29.720 he had loved her. Get out of here, he snarled 241 00:10:29.759 --> 00:10:32.679 at her. And then she says, no, no, Tamar cried, 242 00:10:32.720 --> 00:10:35.000 sending me away now is worse than what you'd already 243 00:10:35.039 --> 00:10:37.240 done to me. But Amnon wouldn't listen to her, and 244 00:10:37.279 --> 00:10:40.000 he shouted for his servant demanded, throw this woman out 245 00:10:40.039 --> 00:10:42.639 and lock the door behind her. So the servant put 246 00:10:42.639 --> 00:10:44.159 her out and locked the door behind her. And she 247 00:10:44.200 --> 00:10:46.960 was wearing a long, beautiful robe, as was the custom 248 00:10:47.000 --> 00:10:49.600 in those days for the king's virgin daughters. But now 249 00:10:49.639 --> 00:10:52.279 Tamar tore her robe and put ashes on her head, 250 00:10:52.279 --> 00:10:54.320 and then with her face in her hands, she went 251 00:10:54.360 --> 00:10:58.039 away crying. Her brother Absalom saw her and asked, is 252 00:10:58.080 --> 00:11:01.080 it true that Amnon has been with you? Well, my sister, 253 00:11:01.159 --> 00:11:04.039 keep quiet for now, since he's your brother, don't you 254 00:11:04.080 --> 00:11:06.679 worry about it? So Tamar lived as a desolate woman 255 00:11:06.720 --> 00:11:10.240 in her brother Absolom's house. When King David had heard 256 00:11:10.279 --> 00:11:13.120 what had happened, he was very angry, and though Absolom 257 00:11:13.159 --> 00:11:16.320 never spoke to Amnon about this, he hated Amnon deeply 258 00:11:16.720 --> 00:11:19.799 because of what he had done to his sister. What 259 00:11:19.919 --> 00:11:23.120 a horrible story. Horrible you want to talk about destroying 260 00:11:23.120 --> 00:11:24.080 a family. 261 00:11:23.840 --> 00:11:28.879 And because we're gonna skip it, Uh, Absolomy. 262 00:11:27.720 --> 00:11:30.200 We're not gonna We're not gonna skip it. Oh yeah, 263 00:11:30.240 --> 00:11:31.960 we're just going to do the Absolom stories. 264 00:11:32.200 --> 00:11:33.759 Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, right with it. 265 00:11:33.840 --> 00:11:36.480 I mean, Absolom is a massive piece of David's life. 266 00:11:36.480 --> 00:11:39.879 We can't skip those, okay for sure. But let's just yeah, 267 00:11:39.919 --> 00:11:43.600 let's go back and say, let me let me you know, champion, 268 00:11:43.600 --> 00:11:48.039 what you said, which is, uh, probably the worst family 269 00:11:48.080 --> 00:11:51.000 story in the Bible by far, one of them. Yeah 270 00:11:51.039 --> 00:11:53.080 you think I think it went well. 271 00:11:53.120 --> 00:11:55.679 There's a lot in his daughters, I know, there's Judah 272 00:11:55.759 --> 00:11:58.000 and his Yeah, there's some pretty horrible ones. 273 00:11:58.120 --> 00:12:00.720 Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's this is worse. 274 00:12:00.799 --> 00:12:01.600 It's pretty horrible. 275 00:12:01.639 --> 00:12:06.840 Yeah. And anyway, the thing that stands out, and I 276 00:12:06.879 --> 00:12:10.679 know that you've probably heard this before, but the thing 277 00:12:10.919 --> 00:12:14.879 that stands out to me is he says, after the 278 00:12:14.960 --> 00:12:17.600 deed was done, it said he began to hate her, 279 00:12:17.720 --> 00:12:20.279 and it says the hate that he had for her 280 00:12:21.000 --> 00:12:24.279 was greater than the love that he had felt for her, right, 281 00:12:24.960 --> 00:12:29.000 which means it's proof that it wasn't love. It was lust. 282 00:12:29.799 --> 00:12:33.519 That's what it was. And so so many times we 283 00:12:33.559 --> 00:12:37.559 try to convince ourselves that what we want is right 284 00:12:38.240 --> 00:12:41.679 because we justify it for ourselves. But yet what we're 285 00:12:41.759 --> 00:12:45.000 really doing is we're kitting ourselves. We're fooling ourselves. And 286 00:12:45.080 --> 00:12:49.679 that is a fantastic example in the worst way, of 287 00:12:49.720 --> 00:12:52.039 what it means to try to convince ourselves of something. 288 00:12:52.600 --> 00:12:56.600 So Am absolutely convinced himself that he was in love, 289 00:12:56.720 --> 00:12:59.879 so much so that he told his cousin, He's like, 290 00:13:00.080 --> 00:13:02.440 I am in love with Tamar. But it wasn't love. 291 00:13:02.759 --> 00:13:04.679 It wasn't love at all. Because if it was love, 292 00:13:05.159 --> 00:13:09.679 then here's you know, this obviously beautiful woman who says, hey, 293 00:13:10.919 --> 00:13:13.320 let me speak reason to you. Everything she said was 294 00:13:13.519 --> 00:13:17.360 absolutely reasonable, she said, she said, you would be known 295 00:13:17.360 --> 00:13:19.600 as a fool. She said, this would be a great 296 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:21.759 wicked thing. And she said, by the way, we're not 297 00:13:21.840 --> 00:13:25.399 like other countries, right, Israel is not like the countries 298 00:13:25.440 --> 00:13:28.000 you've heard of. Such wicked things are not done here 299 00:13:28.039 --> 00:13:30.799 like in other places. And she says, so she's laying 300 00:13:30.799 --> 00:13:33.960 out all the different reasons. That's number one. Number two, 301 00:13:34.000 --> 00:13:36.159 you'd be labeled as a fool. Number three, this is 302 00:13:36.200 --> 00:13:39.960 a wicked thing for me. And then she says, hey, listen, 303 00:13:40.799 --> 00:13:44.720 it's customary for somebody back then to marry their half sister. 304 00:13:44.840 --> 00:13:47.080 They were you know, they had the same father. But 305 00:13:47.320 --> 00:13:51.120 back then that was a thing. So she says. 306 00:13:51.080 --> 00:13:53.440 More more in other nations, but yes, more. 307 00:13:53.279 --> 00:13:57.080 In other nations. But she says, hey, go to the king. 308 00:13:57.519 --> 00:13:59.799 And I don't know whether she was seriously suggesting that 309 00:14:00.159 --> 00:14:02.480 or whether she was just suggesting that to speak reason, 310 00:14:03.159 --> 00:14:04.879 trying to buy time to get out of there. So 311 00:14:04.919 --> 00:14:06.919 who knows, right, she may have been serious, or she 312 00:14:06.960 --> 00:14:11.000 may have just tried to speak to you know, his insanity. 313 00:14:11.799 --> 00:14:16.279 But either way, he says no. And then when he 314 00:14:16.320 --> 00:14:18.480 tries to throw her out, think about it. She says 315 00:14:18.519 --> 00:14:20.759 it again. She says no, no, no, no, no, don't do 316 00:14:20.840 --> 00:14:24.639 this because this is worse than what you already did, like, like, 317 00:14:24.720 --> 00:14:27.759 don't throw me out now, you know. Maybe she's thinking 318 00:14:27.799 --> 00:14:29.639 to herself Hey, now we have no choice but to 319 00:14:29.679 --> 00:14:31.960 proceed and go to the king. Right, let's try to 320 00:14:32.000 --> 00:14:34.960 salvage what's this wickedness that's been done. So here's a 321 00:14:34.960 --> 00:14:39.039 woman who's beautiful, she's cunning, she has high position, Hi, 322 00:14:39.799 --> 00:14:43.279 she's incredibly wise, and all of a sudden he hates 323 00:14:43.320 --> 00:14:45.159 her with more love than he loved her. 324 00:14:45.080 --> 00:14:47.120 With more hate than he loved her with you. 325 00:14:47.320 --> 00:14:51.600 Yeah, right, that means it wasn't love because obviously this 326 00:14:51.679 --> 00:14:55.879 woman is amazing, even in the midst of distress, and 327 00:14:55.919 --> 00:14:57.159 so he never loved her. 328 00:14:57.240 --> 00:15:00.080 Yeah. So there's a note here in Life Application and 329 00:15:00.120 --> 00:15:03.159 Study Bible, and it says love and lust are very different. 330 00:15:03.759 --> 00:15:06.960 After Amnon raped his half sister, his love turned to hate. 331 00:15:07.440 --> 00:15:09.240 Although he had claimed to be in love, he was 332 00:15:09.279 --> 00:15:14.600 actually overcome by lust. Love is patient, Lust requires immediate satisfaction. 333 00:15:15.200 --> 00:15:19.080 Love is kind. Lust is harsh. Love does not demand 334 00:15:19.120 --> 00:15:21.840 its own way. Lust does. You can read about the 335 00:15:21.919 --> 00:15:25.240 characteristics of real love and First Corinthians thirteen. Lust may 336 00:15:25.320 --> 00:15:27.720 feel like love at first, but when physically expressed, it 337 00:15:27.720 --> 00:15:30.639 results in self disgust and hatred of the other person. 338 00:15:31.120 --> 00:15:34.879 If you just can't wait, what you feel is not 339 00:15:34.919 --> 00:15:35.559 truly love. 340 00:15:36.080 --> 00:15:36.840 That's amazing. 341 00:15:36.919 --> 00:15:37.639 Isn't that a great note? 342 00:15:37.720 --> 00:15:40.360 Because love is self sacrificing, that's right, that's right, it's 343 00:15:40.360 --> 00:15:41.360 not self gratifying. 344 00:15:41.519 --> 00:15:44.440 So in a biblical relationship, in a biblical marriage and 345 00:15:44.440 --> 00:15:47.000 all that kind of stuff, desire should be there, right, 346 00:15:47.399 --> 00:15:52.720 But desire takes a second position to real love. But 347 00:15:52.960 --> 00:15:56.960 in a godless situation, it's just pure lust and desire, 348 00:15:57.120 --> 00:16:00.399 and he indulged that. So Amnon was the first born 349 00:16:00.440 --> 00:16:04.440 son of King David. Amnon was born between the time 350 00:16:04.519 --> 00:16:07.480 David became famous and the time David became king. Right, 351 00:16:07.480 --> 00:16:09.720 that's kind of interesting. And then he winds up being 352 00:16:09.720 --> 00:16:12.559 this prince. There's another note here that says he grew 353 00:16:12.559 --> 00:16:14.399 into a prince with too much time on his hands 354 00:16:14.399 --> 00:16:16.840 and too little control over his thoughts. You know, a 355 00:16:16.840 --> 00:16:20.360 lot of times David went through struggle. David was a 356 00:16:20.399 --> 00:16:24.480 poor kid, living in these valleys and watching his sheep 357 00:16:24.600 --> 00:16:29.320 and not much opportunity. He developed great character and tremendous 358 00:16:29.360 --> 00:16:31.279 skills and a walk with God, and then when his 359 00:16:31.320 --> 00:16:34.639 opportunity came, he seized it. But then David made a 360 00:16:34.759 --> 00:16:38.279 very easy life for his family. David struggles made David 361 00:16:38.279 --> 00:16:41.759 into a powerful and strong man. He had his own weaknesses. 362 00:16:42.240 --> 00:16:48.240 But what we tend to do in in our weakest moments, 363 00:16:48.600 --> 00:16:51.360 oftentimes our children, who have much easier lives than us, 364 00:16:51.440 --> 00:16:54.120 usually wind up doing an excess. We do it in moderation, 365 00:16:54.159 --> 00:16:57.399 it doesn't excess. So here's David one time having an 366 00:16:57.399 --> 00:17:02.600 affair a one day, right, and it winds up becoming 367 00:17:02.679 --> 00:17:05.200 a pattern in many of his son's lives, right, and 368 00:17:05.279 --> 00:17:06.799 becomes a thing that they do over and over and 369 00:17:06.799 --> 00:17:07.720 over and over and over again. 370 00:17:07.799 --> 00:17:10.599 You know, when somebody is raised as the son or 371 00:17:10.640 --> 00:17:14.119 the daughter of somebody powerful, and they live in luxury 372 00:17:14.160 --> 00:17:17.799 and they have every everything that their heart desires. Why 373 00:17:17.920 --> 00:17:21.680 is it that most of the time, it seems through 374 00:17:21.759 --> 00:17:24.880 my personal interaction and observation, like personally and then also 375 00:17:24.960 --> 00:17:27.720 in almost every movie you've ever seen in your entire life, 376 00:17:28.440 --> 00:17:31.519 or sitcom or whatever, they're a spoiled brat, right, and 377 00:17:31.839 --> 00:17:33.960 they don't have the character, and they run amok and 378 00:17:34.119 --> 00:17:36.960 they're not you know, worthy to take over the family 379 00:17:37.000 --> 00:17:39.960 business or whatever, especially if it's super successful and everything else. 380 00:17:40.119 --> 00:17:42.279 They're spoiled, rotten, they don't have character and all these 381 00:17:42.279 --> 00:17:44.880 different things, I mean, and you know, and so you 382 00:17:44.920 --> 00:17:48.559 look at that and everybody listening nods their head and says, yes, absolutely, 383 00:17:48.640 --> 00:17:52.039 that's the case. Probably both personally observation. Oh it's the 384 00:17:52.039 --> 00:17:54.960 boss's son, you know, that kind of thing, right or 385 00:17:56.200 --> 00:18:01.799 through through through culture and listen, even back then, even 386 00:18:01.839 --> 00:18:03.920 back then, the thing you just said was exactly what 387 00:18:03.960 --> 00:18:05.880 I just said, you know. So so here it is 388 00:18:06.000 --> 00:18:09.400 thousands of years ago, and Amnon raised the same way, 389 00:18:09.440 --> 00:18:12.079 different than the way King David was raised, as a 390 00:18:12.119 --> 00:18:15.079 poor shepherd, you know, making his way to you know, 391 00:18:15.119 --> 00:18:18.279 the journey to be to become the king the hard way. 392 00:18:18.720 --> 00:18:22.920 And then here's Amnon, you know, just abusing his power, 393 00:18:23.400 --> 00:18:27.160 being selfish, thinking there's no consequence to his actions because 394 00:18:27.200 --> 00:18:32.000 you know, he's entitled in every different things. Anyway, it 395 00:18:32.079 --> 00:18:36.200 made me think of strange enough bear with me here, 396 00:18:36.880 --> 00:18:40.440 Dave Ramsey, you know he's he's very well known. He's 397 00:18:40.480 --> 00:18:43.400 a financial advisor, right, okay, Well you know obviously he 398 00:18:43.440 --> 00:18:45.559 has a bunch of money. So he was telling the 399 00:18:45.599 --> 00:18:49.720 story one time of making his kids suffer and he 400 00:18:49.839 --> 00:18:51.400 and he was saying something like, hey, you have to 401 00:18:51.519 --> 00:18:54.079