AI Transformation & Governance

In this episode of AI Transformation & Governance, host Dejan Kosutic speaks with Bennett Borden, who is the CEO, data scientist, and AI ethicist at Clarion AI Partners, and member of the NIST AI RMF Scientific Advisory Board. They talk about building and controlling AI agents through “constitutional AI” plus governance engineering. Borden explains defining agent personas and behavioral “thou shalts/shalt nots,” attaching scoring mechanisms to each principle, and, in sensitive use cases, adding a companion quality-control bot that reviews outputs and sends failures back for revision, producing telemetry and evidentiary artifacts for compliance. He discusses model selection trade-offs, risks of unethical optimization and agent deception, and emphasizes risk assessment, monitoring where AI “touches the world,” curated company data/RAG for accuracy, and combining deterministic methods with gen AI.

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  • (00:00) - Interview with Bennett Borden
  • (00:58) - Perfectly Controlled Agents
  • (03:55) - Constitutional AI Reframed
  • (06:38) - Prompting Agent Psychology
  • (14:22) - Choosing Models For Safety
  • (16:11) - Values And Alignment Risks
  • (23:14) - Governance And Evidence Layer
  • (28:35) - Telemetry That Matters
  • (33:32) - Company Data And RAG
  • (36:59) - Blending Deterministic And GenAI
  • (40:07) - Teamwide Governance Engineering
  • (44:03) - Key Takeaways

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What is AI Transformation & Governance?

Welcome to AI Transformation & Governance, the podcast that makes complex AI topics easy to understand, helping leaders and professionals unlock AI potential while keeping risks under control.

Hosted by Dejan Kosutic, CEO of Advisera, the podcast features interviews with leaders and experts who share their experiences and practical insights on how AI is transforming the business world, and how to balance the rapid pace of AI innovation with effective AI governance.

 Embrace AI, but stay in control.