The Good Wife S4E2
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[00:00:05] Welcome to the Good Pod. Today we're talking The Good Wife, season four, episode two, and the Law one. I am one of your hosts, Jason Reed, with me as always, the one a person that says that will tell you that they are from Chicago. As much as this judge told people that he went to Harvard, Marissa Garza harissa.

[00:00:24] You good? I'm good. But I'm pretty sure the Chicago people like Chicago proper people are gonna be like, you're not from Chicago, but you know, to, to the greater pod verse, I'm pretty Chicago. Um, yeah. How are you? Jason, are you good? I'm good. I'm good. Good. I'm glad. I have a suspicion as to why. It was so much Harvard in this episode, but we, we'll talk about it when we get to it.

[00:00:47] Okay? Oh, okay. Wait for that. Um, here we are, season four, episode two. Uh, in, in the new, the new days of a new season. Yeah. New guest stars popping up. New pot lines popping up. Uh, yeah. Same old pot lines we hate are still here. We'll talk about [00:01:00] all that. Uh, before we get into the episode property, we want to embody you some free and easy ways you can help this podcast.

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[00:01:43] I thought this is a, this is a mixed bag of an episode. I think. I think that one plot line that's kind of dragging us down a little bit is still here. Mm-hmm. But I think everything outside of that I've greatly enjoyed. Yeah. I would say, um, during that one plot line was the only time I looked at [00:02:00] the how much is left.

[00:02:02] Yeah. Yeah. In the episode. I thought the case of the week was a very. Very like a throwback case, the least. Yeah, I guess it's like, like a season one where we're like questioning witnesses, we're catching people in lies. It's like twist. We're doing investigations. Yeah, it's a twist attorney case. So I really, I really liked that aspect of it.

[00:02:19] And then, and then with the Alicia of it all getting pulled in like eight different directions. I was like, this is, uh, this is really kind of a throwback episode in that regard. That's pretty good. And also the case of week, unfortunately still relevant. Um, it is Will's first day back in court. Diane is there for good support.

[00:02:35] Stops by, taps him on the shoulder, says, Hey, lawyers only Ps By the way, I brought you intro to trial law in case you in case you need it. And uh, Will's like really studious, right? Like he is going through all the papers, going through all the stuff. Says, okay Diane, that was so funny. Like you can go now.

[00:02:51] Um, but who on the other side? The opposing counsel is none other than Papa Gilmore, AKA, Lionel, AKA, the person who helped will through his [00:03:00] suspension. So it is an interesting setup for Will's first case. Yeah. Uh, Lionel's like, haha. I was there at the end. I'm here at the, the new beginning, Aaron and I will, it was like, thanks Lionel.

[00:03:09] Ha ha. I like how Diane's like, Hey, this, this is good news, Lionel. He's old, he is tired. I was like, oh, like I didn't know this was the characterization We're giving Lionel now that he is, he's over, he's, he's over the hill now and he is lawyer dumb. And she's like, oh yeah, it'd be ashamed if you lost this to this geezer over here.

[00:03:26] Wouldn't it be, uh, I really liked the dynamic between Will and Diana. It continues this, the strong show of their friendship and relationship, how she's kind of like razzing him, but she's also there for him on his first day, like, like a good mommy sending her kid off to, to, to school. Here, hold up this, this picture.

[00:03:44] Go take your picture. First day back. First stay back at law. Uh, so I, I really liked just seeing that, uh, the, the continuation of the strong showing of their relationship. Yes, yes, yes. And I also love that Lionel is here, especially for this episode. 'cause I just wanna remind everyone that he is Papa Gilmore.

[00:03:58] Mm-hmm. And on the [00:04:00] Gilmore Girls, um, there was a large discussion as to where Roy Gilmore would go to college. Just keep that in mind. Okay. Uh, during the case, the case is actually about a, uh, excessive police conduct at a anti NATO slash anti-war protest. Uh, we open up with a cop a stand on the, on the stand testifying to his handling of Mr.

[00:04:22] Beacham, the quote unquote victim or perpetrator, depending on what side you're on of this case. Um, this cop had used the Sun Gunn three times, delivering 1400 volts times three to this man before he died and before, but the cop was like, I called for medical help, but he died before he could get there.

[00:04:43] Will is, I mean, there's not really a lot of stumbling from Will and his first time back. No, he's on it. Yeah. I was like, so use a stun gun that had 40,000 volts of electricity. I was like, ah, ah, ah, ah, no. The yes, yes, it has 40,000, but when it shoots out 1400 every time you use it, it was like, [00:05:00] oh, sorry, my bad.

[00:05:01] Use 1400 volts electricity three times, uh, to, to Mr. Vitro. I was like, yeah, get him will get him. Well, and then like the cop's like, oh, but he charged at me like, what am I supposed to do? Well, he charged me and when he, when they bring up the Sun Gunn, this is when the lawyer goes. I think I remember from my Harvard physics class that, well, the, you are correct.

[00:05:22] The judge. Yeah. The judge is like, yeah. And yeah, the judge is like, oh, yes. Uh, from, from my studies in Harvard, I can tell you that's correct. I'm like, alright judge, we got it. Okay. Okay. But first let's, before we get into who this judge is being played by, I just wanna mention that I'm the Gilmore Girls.

[00:05:38] Every other sentence was Yale. Rory's gonna go to Yale. And like Papa Gilmore really wanted Roy to go to Yale. Yale, Yale, Yale, all Yale all the time. So the fact that in this episode it was Harvard, Harvard, Harvard, Harvard. There were a couple times in this episode where there were references to actors outside work.

[00:05:55] And, um, I really enjoyed it. I was just like, this is what it sounded like. [00:06:00] Papa Gilmore with you and the EO all the time. All the time. Uh, but this judge, I did not recognize him because I have, don't think I've seen any of these things. But Jason, did you recognize Judge Temple? So when I, when I saw the judge, I was like, so it's, it's another character actor who I've seen in thousands of things.

[00:06:19] I can't place it. So looked them up. He's in Oppenheimer. His name is his, his name is James Aniak. He was in Oppenheimer. No, I did not have, not I've yet to see Op Oppenheimer. Sorry. Sorry to, yeah, me neither. That's why I was like, I don't know. But I did watch the show not up for watching Bombings today.

[00:06:36] Like just not, not a thing. Yeah. Not really my thing right now. Uh, also though, I did recognize him from the show review, uh, where he was Oh, the, the boss of the titular character in review where like Andy Daley, where he like reviews different experiences. It was a show, comedy Central, uh, a while ago. It was such a funny show.

[00:06:53] I did recognize him from that. But he is been in like a thousand things. So he is, he's not really greatly known for anything. He's just kind of one of those people that's been [00:07:00] around all the time. Yeah. Well, in this one he's a judge from Harvard. Yes. We'll, we'll let you know. A thousand times. Yeah, yeah.

[00:07:09] Just in case you forget and you can kind of see like Will is again like showing the footage of everything that happened, the jury's uncomfortable. Next thing we see, we're back at Lockhart Garden offices. A settlement comes in for $800,000. It's great, it's fantastic, but also not good enough for Will and also not good enough for the firm because as we were called, the firm is in debt of $60 million and has only five months to pay it back.

[00:07:32] And this is only $800,000. So they're really not gonna get that much out of it. So Will says, I could do better. We haven't even put the fiance on the stand like, this is the thing, we can do it. And there's this whole conversation between Clark and he is like, look, I, I don't really think you should do it.

[00:07:44] And then Diane is like, what did you say to Will? Basically like, no, don't you, like, you're, that's not your role, that's not what you're supposed to do. And Clark reminds him here, like, this is kind of how you got into the situation, passion over pragmatism. So just watch it. And then he [00:08:00] excuses himself. Yeah.

[00:08:01] 'cause Will is doing like his cocky, like cocky cock of the walk type of thing. He's like, I, I, I'm, he, it's like he's, he's back on drugs. He's like, yeah, I, no, I can do better. I can get more like, 'cause 'cause they bring in like, it was just a weird. I don't know why Alicia had to pick up the thing and then bring it in because, I dunno.

[00:08:19] We see Diane Willin Clark in the conference room. They're just waiting. Alicia's outside in the hallway, gets an envelope from someone and walks into the office. He's, and she's like, as if she's like revealing a grand prize, you almost envelope like. $800,000. Everyone's like, woo, yes. A hundred thousand.

[00:08:36] Diane's. Like, that's a great job. Will good time You good for your first time out? Clock's like, Hey, that's what's up. We're like, no, no, I could do better. I I can do more. It's like, alright, will, will. You got a taste? You got taste back. Don't, don't go crazy's. No, no, no. I had to put the, if y'all tell to stand you, we can get more.

[00:08:50] We can do this. Di Diane for her part is like, all right, well, like, I know you think you could do better, but we, we need money. We can't be playing around like we need to. [00:09:00] This is a guaranteed 800,000 right now. We don't want to like overextend our reach and possibly mess this up. Right. And that what Clark, like you said, goes, yeah, I'm have to have you guys take this a hundred thousand 'cause we need that money.

[00:09:12] We, we can't be playing around. And so Diane switches up and she's like, Hey Uhuh, no, you're not doing that Clark. She, she just like Clark. No, you don't decide what rewards we take. You decide what, what cases we take. So you can't, you have no say in this. Yeah. So where Diane was like, yeah, will, you should take the, you should take the a hundred thousand when Clark speaks up.

[00:09:31] She's like, oh, you know what? No, actually you go ahead. Will you do your today? Today? Did I say no? I meant yes. I meant a hundred percent yes. Like she, she, she switches her stance like make a point to Clark to be like, you don't run this, we still run this part of it, so stay out of it. Yeah. And you know, I like how Diane me like, 'cause Will's like, Hey, you kind of crossed the line.

[00:09:50] And he's like, yeah, he sure did. I had to put him miss damn place. And she goes, she can you give us like an update? She's like, yeah, you know, we need, it's kind of like an update to the audience. [00:10:00] We need 60 mil, we got Questa, we that paid his bill. We got Sweeney is paying his bills. I, does she mention Lamont Bishop?

[00:10:07] She might have mentioned Lamont Bishop. Um, like David Lee money is coming in. Yeah. David Lee Money's coming in and she's like, and that has given us. 2 million outta 60 million. So we need to, we need to get this going right? We need to keep going. Yeah, we need to keep going. And, um, because they have said, okay, will, you can go ahead and will this basically like do your best.

[00:10:28] Diane's like, Hey Alicia, you're gonna need to go to court with Will because he does that so much better when he has someone to impress. And Alicia's like, but what about John? And Diane's like, no, no, no. John is no longer here based on Clark's investigations, which we'll talk about. John was, John was basically like, I know you had, you know this terminology, Marissa, John was a red shirt.

[00:10:50] John was like, so yes, yes. That is like easily expendable because we saw John, I think we probably saw John in the courtroom with Will in the beginning parts of this episode. John is the one we've ever met [00:11:00] before. John is not important to the story. John is able to be cut at at any moment because he's not important to this, to this show.

[00:11:07] Yeah. Yeah. And at the same time, like Will is like, okay, I'm on it, but where the frick is Kalinda, I've called her four times and she's not picking up the phone. So they head back to court, they put the fiance back on the stand. She's very sad. She's doing her, you know, best thing on the stand. We were gonna get married in August, and the judge is like, okay, well this testimony's over.

[00:11:26] I have to go to a Harvard meeting. Mm-hmm. Um, but there's this new thing called Rule 2 43, which allows the jury to ask questions to witnesses in civil cases. And I look this up, and this is still a thing, I ki I kind kind of find it weird, but, um, the jury can ask like the witnesses questions if they need clarification and stuff.

[00:11:47] So one of the questions come, the question that comes through is, why weren't you wearing your engagement ring at the protest, but you were wearing it in this picture showing that you had been engaged. And Will is like, uh, we're not [00:12:00] objection. Like we're not talking about it. And it is like he basically has to feed her this answer of like, did you forget it at the, you didn't.

[00:12:07] So slappy want it to be safe, like all of this stuff. And at the end of this all was like, we really need Kalinda to come back and we find out that she actually broke off the engagement at this protest. So this whole thing was a mess for Will for sure. Yeah, well, so sloppy because it was like, uh, I, isn't it true that you forgot the ring at home that day?

[00:12:26] And I was like, ah, ah, ah, ah. No, no, no. Well, I know it's funny 'cause Lionel has experience with this, 'cause remember a few episodes ago when Will was on suspension and our old friend Caitlin was coming in like, Hey, I, a question will was like, uh, I think the answer that you probably wanna say is this, this, this.

[00:12:41] And I was like, ah, no, you can't feed the air the answer. And the same thing happened here. Like, I was like, you forgot it at home. Right? And I was like, no, don't do that. And then, but the, the fiance props to her come up with a different reason. He was like, I didn't want to get stolen. And there was like, yeah, that's what it was.

[00:12:58] That's what it was. And [00:13:00] like, and like you said, later in lock Har Garden offices, the fiance's like, oh, actually we broke up at that protest. Like, why? Like, I don't understand these. Client, these clients, witnesses, we are here to help you. Yeah. You, you need to tell us everything. We're not gonna use it against you.

[00:13:18] We want to use it for our purpose. So we need to make sure that we know what's coming up, that we don't get surprises like this. Like I didn't, I just didn't want anybody to know like, we are your lawyers, or we are the lawyers for your side. We should know. And I would, I would say also like, yes, they should, should give the speech that they gave that one time when Diane and Will were on separate sides and they're like, um, you're not gonna lie to me, basically.

[00:13:39] But also, we didn't have Kalinda doing her little stuff. Like there were a couple of times where. Will was kind of blindsided, this being one of them, like mm-hmm. You know, because it isn't until now in the episode that Kalinda shows back up after all of this has happened. We'll talk about what Kalinda was doing later.

[00:13:55] Um, but after all of this, she, she shows up. She's completely [00:14:00] out of it. She doesn't even know like what Case Will is asking for her help on. Um, but right now he's like, look into to see if we have a rogue juror who's like feeding these questions about the, about the witnesses. I'm out on a limb. I really need you, Belinda.

[00:14:15] And she's like, yeah, yeah, I'm on it. I, I love the passion from what He's like, what, what is going on with you? Like, I need you. We are, we got, we got a clock really on our next, like, get your head in the game, girl. 'cause everything we've ever seen from Will and Kalin, they're like, best buddy Energy. Like, they're, they're cool, cool, cool.

[00:14:29] This is the first time Will was like Inbo mode. He is like, Hey, you are not doing your job. Get your shit together. Yeah, let's go. And he was like, right. I'm, I'm on it. I'm on it. It's like, yeah, you better be on it, girl. I need you. Come on. Yep. Next up on the stand is the medical examiner. He's. He got his graduate degree from Harvard.

[00:14:47] Harvard, which Alicia makes sure to let it, to have him have him let the judge know. And where'd you get your doctor from? Uh, Harvard. Oh, that's right, judge. We called on someone from Harvard. Your favorite? Yeah. And then they have like this whole talk about how annoying Georgetown people are [00:15:00] and both.

[00:15:00] Mm-hmm. Will and Alicia went to Georgetown, but um, basically he's on the stand and Will is trying to say, or Alicia is trying to say that the victim was also pepper sprayed before he was stunned. So this was like a little stunned, three separate times. This was like extensive force. While this questioning is going on, we have Carrie and Kalinda in the audience.

[00:15:23] Andre watch Kalinda making her 1, 2, 1 through 12 little charts. Um, Carrie coming in with his, I think it's this person. It was on yellow paper. I don't really know. Um, and then it's time for Papa Gilmore to cross examine and it's like, could there be like, he was agitated, like he didn't stay down the first time that you stunned him.

[00:15:43] Could he be on drugs? Like is that a thing that could happen? And everybody's just like, okay, we're not doing this. Like this is not, not a place to go. But then this opens up again the jury questions and one of the jurors asks, would antidepressants have shown up on any of the tests that you did [00:16:00] as medical examiner Man?

[00:16:01] He says, yeah. And so then the question, this, this, this is gets everyone's ears perked up, be like, oh yeah, wait a minute. Like this is light alone idea. And I was like, huh, I didn't even think about that. Thanks jury. Yeah, yeah. He's like, oh, lemme take that. Run with it because like, lemme question like depression, can that cause someone to act radically?

[00:16:20] It's like, yeah, I guess. But it would have to be like an event. And you see this look like Lionel stops and he looks at Will and will like cannot look Lionel in the eye. He's like, look away. I know this, this might go over some people's heads, but you and me, I think we'll get it. Uh, like when you're like, we watch Survivor.

[00:16:39] We're Survivor fans. Yes. It's weirdly tangentially a way that me and Marissa kind of know each other and met like. Weirdly through, through like survivor circles, you know? Yeah. Circles, you know, so it, it reminded me of like, when you stand up to like play your immediate idol, but before you do, you look back and see if anyone's freaking out to like, should I play this?

[00:16:58] Shall I not play this? [00:17:00] And because Lionel's, like, unless there's a reason that there's, this guy was taking antidepressants, he looks over at Willow, like, will literally looks away. He's like, he cannot look away far fast enough. He's like, my totally gives up the game. So at that point I was like, okay, I'm hitting on something.

[00:17:17] I'm hitting something like, you know, like that would make sense to act radically like after. A breakup, like after Will's, like I dropped my, I dropped my glasses somewhere, I dropped my pen over here. Like we see, I gonna find it. Like, will you, you totally, I dunno if it's 'cause you're rusty or what, but you totally just like gave the giveaway there.

[00:17:36] It was so funny. It was so funny. And the judge is finding this not funny and so he calls everyone into his chambers and it's basically like, what's going on here? And um, Lionel is saying like, I didn't even know about these antidepressants. And Alicia's saying, well that's because you only requested two years of discovery.

[00:17:52] This guy was on, um, antidepressants three years ago. So that's why you didn't know. They don't know if they're still on. If he was still on or he asked [00:18:00] for refill of the antidepressants. They're not sure this Yeah, this antidepressants route went, like, went down several wormholes of like, it it, it led to so much other stuff that wasn't even about whether or not he was depressed or not.

[00:18:12] Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Uh, they are ordered to give Lionel all of the evidence that they have on the way out. Was like, Hey, so about that settlement

[00:18:25] said, uh, table thousand that still there. Like, can we still take that? And I was like, ho, gotta love a jury.

[00:18:35] Yeah. Which like his way of saying No, I think I got the upper hand now. Like, so this all thanks for this Will Thanks. You do me a favor. They are taking a look at which jurors could be like the rogue germ. There's five people that are suspected. Um, Kalinda brings up the fact that one of the germ jurors, Emma wrote that she had the wrong number of kids and so therefore she could have lost kids and that could mean that she's depressed and she could have been the person who asked about the S [00:19:00] SSRIs weak sauce.

[00:19:01] But it's something. Yeah. Then we see, um, his psychiatrist on the stand. And now if you are a fan of this show or literally. Any form of television and or movies, you will have recognized this guy because Dr. Zvi was played by none other than Dak and Matthews, you know, you know Dak and Matthews? Yeah. Dak and Oh yeah, me and Dak and we go back.

[00:19:32] Yeah. Where do you know him from? Uh, so you actually, you informed me in the preshow that we know him as Mr. Winterton from Gilded Age, which if you follow us in our podcast in Korea, you know, uh, from the Gilded Pod that we love Gilded Age. I love it. Uh, so you reminded me like you were like Yeah, it was, uh, he was Mr.

[00:19:50] Winterton, and when you said I was, oh, yes. But this man Dakin, he's been all over tv. Yeah. So he, he is a character actor of character actors. If you need an older white gentleman with a beard, [00:20:00] there you go. If you need a Santa Claus, he's your man. It's, it's like, so yeah, I, when I saw Remington Steel. Yeah.

[00:20:08] Way back. Explain elsewhere. Like, and he's just in like one episode of all of these like really big shows. Yeah. I mean that's, this is one episode of this one. That was it. Yeah. Listen, in the world of procedural, uh, network television, these guys are everywhere in, in the mall. It's, it's, I would imagine it's kind of like merit badges when you're like a scout.

[00:20:27] Like I got, got my good wife. If he was, if he is like Mr. Dak and he is like, I got my Good Wife Merit badge and put on my other like a hundred other shows I've been in. Yeah. Uh. But yeah, I saw him and I was like, I know this man for sure. But then you reminded me where I definitely know him from, where he, where he had a, a kind of a prominent role in one of the, in the season of, uh, the good old days where we watched, uh, well, season three probably it was season two that he had the season three was the most recent one where he was Oh, yes.

[00:20:53] We only saw him for a short to march of time. Uh, you know, and that, and that's, uh, and from afar, spoilers, uh, RIP, Mr. [00:21:00] Winterton. Yeah, sorry, Mr. Winterton. Yeah. Uh, but yes, he, I definitely knew him. I was like, yeah, he's, he's definitely a, that guy. He's a Leonardo Caprio on the couch pointing guy, but I didn't know him.

[00:21:10] We know where exactly till you told him. Yeah. And he is a legend and he's on the stand at playing a psychiatrist at this moment, being asked basically like, why. Like, did, did Tr Trevor Tr tr Tyler, Tyler, Tyler, did Tyler have depression? Did Tyler have any signs of depression? He's like, no, but you know, he was nervous and anxious and he wasn't sleeping.

[00:21:31] It's like, oh, well what did you prescribe? He is like, I prescribed an SSRI and like that a lot of people even to this day, um, think that if you are taking an ssr, SRI you are depressed or mentally unhealthy or have some sort of thing going on. Um, the current administration is very against them. There is a stigma that comes with SSRIs and um, which is why I was surprised at Will's [00:22:00] lawyering at this moment, because he kind of just leaves it at this point.

[00:22:04] Mm-hmm. And then Lionel goes, well, which SSRI was it that you prescribed? Was it. El and if you know your good wife history, you know that name. As soon as they said veal, which I'm surprised that our people didn't know that it was Elva because they seemed surprised. Exactly. Exactly. And they're like, everyone's like, El oh shit.

[00:22:28] Like we, we proved that Elva Till was an extremely dangerous SSRI back in the day, which, which we think caused a man to murder his wife and then himself. So like, this is not good for us because if this man was thinking Elva till he like it, it can be, it can be linked to, you know, erratic behavior. Yeah.

[00:22:49] And that has side effects, which, which may have caused him to, which I, which, you know, I was, I was saying like this antidepressant thing went down a whole bunch of rabbit holes. Lionel basically links this to [00:23:00] say that Tyler, because he was taking Elva till, which we don't even know if he was taking el vent till or not at the time.

[00:23:06] Also was prescribed to him three years ago by this therapist. Right. So we didn't even know if he was taking it. So now, now Papa Gilmore has linked this to Tyler wanting to die, uh, via suicide by cop. It's like, whoa, you just totally linked this outta nowhere to now he, he forced, forced the, uh, cop to kill him via taser.

[00:23:29] I was like, that is a wild, that's a wild reach to me. It, yes, uh, it was, but he also had like, so much insider information, right. Because Lionel had reviewed the Altel case when it came to Will's suspension. So he knew like the whole ends out. So he thi he not only has the fact that Will is in the courtroom and has experience with this drug, not using it, but like talking about it, and also has a study from where.

[00:23:56] Hava. Harvard. Harvard Medical School. So [00:24:00] he, he's back, he's just backing it up. He's like, if you don't wanna believe me about the will stuff, look at what your alma mater has to say. Yeah. And the, and the judge is like, oh, oh, I think I'll actually, I'll actually uh, think about this now. It comes from Harvard.

[00:24:11] It's like, again, just all these, these judges with all these, which I, I guess is, is a fun way to characterize these judges. But again, I'd be like, this judge is obviously biased by Harvard stuff. Yes. Like, why is he allowed to do this? Yeah. Uh, to say things like, I don't consider it only because it's from Harvard.

[00:24:26] Like, well, okay. Um, that's weird. Well, is it any different than wearing a, I donated blood sticker when you're in front of, to Jabber Abbey. Both sides. Both sides can use it to their advantage. So I guess, I guess you make, make a point there, but I mean, I don't know. It's just annoying either way. Yeah, for sure.

[00:24:47] So at the, this, this whole thing about Alva Till really gets the jury to ask, like, everyone has a question at this point. Sure. And the judge is like, oh, more questions. That's so great. This is, this is the, this is justice. This [00:25:00] is the law. Mm-hmm. This is fantastic. I was like, okay, cool. Great. Love it so much.

[00:25:04] Uh, meanwhile, Kalinda finally is out on the streets and doing some investigation. She goes to another protest to learn more about Tyler. Um, one of the, his fellow classmates slash protest mates says, yeah, Tyler was really calm. I was like even surprised he got Stickered. And Kalinda iss like, wait, what you got?

[00:25:21] What? He's like, yeah, stickered, they put this red sticker on you and then another team will come in and pick up all the people who got Stickered. Um, I will just say in 2025 there's no stickers anymore. Okay. Like don't, don't wait for the stickers. Yeah. There's no stickers. Um, and so Kalinda goes back and watches the footage and she notices that, um, Tyler didn't even have a sticker, but he had a red, smiley face button on his backpack, which looked similar to one of these red stickers, and it had disappeared when Tyler was taken away after he had been tasered.

[00:25:55] So they bring this back to court. Will's on his wheel game and is [00:26:00] like, you know, officer, this, this was your first time doing raid control, like raid duty. Right. And he was like, no, that's not what we call open car crowd control. Right. The crowd control the first time. Right, right, right. And tell me about the red stickers, the flag.

[00:26:13] Wait, what? Red? Who's Watson now? The what, what, who, what? And, and Will is showing footage of this weird cop's, like, I didn't see it. I didn't, I didn't see it. And then you hear in the background, well, no, I not will's. Like, Will's like, so you, you, you know, stickers, right? And the cop's like, no, I didn't, I didn't see no red stickers.

[00:26:34] He is like, well, you see it now, right? He's like, no, I don't see it. Yeah. Like, okay, you and I look at the same division, you don't see that big ass thread sticker or red button on this man's backpack. And that's what he like go, Hey, hey, hey, cooperate right for right now. I was like, oh yeah, yeah, I see it over.

[00:26:55] Yes than once for no that guy little truck on. And I was like, yeah, [00:27:00] will you back? Will you back? All the way back. Yeah. Yeah. Because then he's like, oh, and then like, what happened afterwards? Oh look, the button buttons not there. And the cop was like, oh, but he charged me. What was I supposed to do? What does it matter about the sticker?

[00:27:17] And was like, oh, but I,

[00:27:21] that is a this, that, that whole thing was like, like a season one throwback. Like that's what we used to do. Yeah. Back in the day, we used to get people, we used to get people on the stand. You used to get them flustered used to be like, oh, but I thought you said this or that. I also used to catch people back in the day.

[00:27:35] That was before, you know, politics and firm politics used up all of our time on The Good Wife. Now we got world fashioned court case. We're figure stuff out, we're investigating and we're getting little twist and turn endings. I loved it. It was, yeah. And it was a good volley between like where the case was between both of them.

[00:27:55] Yeah. Um, yes. So that was our case. At the beginning end, they end up settling [00:28:00] for $3 million. Well, the, his best, like, they settled in the courtroom. They're like, what's, what's offer for 5 million? Like, nah, two, nah, two and a half. No. Okay, fine. Three. Are we ready to start? Sounds like settlement. Yeah. I mean, let's, we, we've talked about in the past, like in, you know, in the recent past how we're not getting a lot of resolution to our court cases.

[00:28:22] This, this is perfect. This is like, yeah. Settle for, we know they settled. And bingo, bongo we're good. So I liked that this is a full, complete, uh, closed loop circle that we got the, we got the beginning, middle of the end of the court case and everything satisfied in my, in my mind. Yes. Yeah. Agreed. Uh, we had, of course, those firm and Paul, it took political things going on in this episode as well.

[00:28:48] Uh, the episode opens with Clark interviewing everyone. Um, and we learned some things. First of all, Carrie still carry when he's asked, are you important to the firm? He's like, yes. Uh, as in the state's attorney's office, I, I oversaw [00:29:00] 145 cases. So I definitely have a lot of, uh, a lot knowledge use to really cope, to really work this with this job.

[00:29:06] So I'm like, see you, Carrie. I see you. And also.

[00:29:18] Yeah. No, I know, but like the reason why. Yeah, because I mean, I think if I'm working at Lock Car Gardner, I see the favoritism coming to Alicia by everyone. I think that's pointed out here. Like she has the biggest office and she's a fourth year. Like what's that about? Yeah. Clerk gets to Alicia and asks like, why should we keep you?

[00:29:40] And she just goes. 'cause I'm good. I said Alicia, I said, Alicia swagger that you can, I think, I think season three, Alicia glow up was like, I'm a dangerous woman. I'm like, I'm a, I'm a black widow. Like I'm, I'm, I'm sexy now 'cause I'm going after widow. This is more of a like a, this, this the part we have. And the [00:30:00] hair is more like a, I'm a badass crew woman, Alicia, like, because she does nice hair too.

[00:30:05] My world. Yeah. She's like, she's confident, right? She's like, because I'm good. I'm just, I dunno, I don't need to explain myself to you, Clark. Yeah. Like I'm who? Yeah. Okay. And I think she also knows like, I'm in wheel's back pocket, so I'm not going nowhere. I don't what you're saying. Well, and the political visibility of having her.

[00:30:26] Is also good for the firm. Like brings in clients. Yeah, brings in, yeah. But I think, I think mostly, I think mostly Alicia is just like, I'm a good lawyer. Like that's, oh no. Yeah, that's a hundred percent what she's leading towards. But she knows she has like some support Yeah. In these other areas. So then, um, will and Diane, you talk about the 2 million versus the 60 million that they owe at this point, will says to Diane, you don't look combed.

[00:30:52] And I was like, but calmed. Did you study some vocabulary while you were on the office? Like what is going on? [00:31:00] Where did they count? They got some work in, yeah, yeah. We learned that they're about to lose the 27th floor because currently Lock Car Garden occupying the 27th through the 29th floor of this building.

[00:31:10] And Clark is forcing them to get rid of the 27th floor. So Diane's like, yeah, but we got a new landlord and her name's Maddie and she's also on Emily's list. So I'm gonna go talk to her and see what, can you remind me of what Emily's List is exactly? Emily's List is an organization that provides funding and training for women running for office, so specifically for women.

[00:31:33] And um, we'll help in like areas where certain candidates are needed. So basically it's broads for broads is what you're saying. I'm not saying that you can say that. I'm not saying that females are working for females, is what is what you're trying to say, right? No,

[00:31:55] I'm trying as some other women. Anyone who [00:32:00] identifies as a woman or anyone who, anyway, shit. So they're being forced to leave the 27th floor and Diane goes to me, Maddie, at a speech. And who do we see here? But the one and only Mara Tierney, uh, er Fve of course. Uh, Marissa, I know that you are, you are er o file.

[00:32:22] Yes. So this must have been very exciting for you. Yes. It was so great. She's playing basically like a billionaire. Kind of like she's semiconductor, she's doing, getting involved in the political scene. Um, but she does not have any time for Diane. She's like, oh, hey, we're, hey, neighbor. We're gonna be like neighbors.

[00:32:43] She's like, Uhhuh, who you Again? Like, I, I wasn't sure if, I wasn't sure if Maddie was like playing it off, because Maddie's like, oh, oh yeah, Diane. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then comes back, he's like, oh, you have, you have someone working for you, right? Um, [00:33:00] uh, what was her name?

[00:33:05] Yeah, Becca. Like, oh, Alicia. Like, oh, yeah. Alicia. Alicia. And from the actions later the episode, I, I don't believe for one second, man did not know the name. Alicia Fork already. Actions mad this MAD's like, or something like, so Maddie, Maddy knew who everyone was. No. We'll talk about it. Is mad. Knows who she's Maddy's.

[00:33:27] Just trying to like play it off. It's like too cool for school this moment. Yeah, because at first still Dan, like, don't talk to me about this. Talk to my team. Um, you can get that Alicia call me. That would be great. So Diane will ask Alicia, Hey and Alicia again. Okay. So Alicia's in this case, Alicia's talking to Clark.

[00:33:49] Alicia also is always. I, I don't know if it's that women, I have this like Alicia Blindness whenever they're talking about business, because [00:34:00] again, we're talking to business. Alicia is like six feet away listening in. Lemme make sure to show us that Alicia is listening. And it is like, oh, like interesting and getting some of the, in some of the hot goss here.

[00:34:13] She's like, when Diane, don't you think you should like make this like confidential? Like make sure you're in an office by yourself and not where Alicia, Alicia can meet you. This, at least that for the fifth time. We've seen when Alicia talking about business and Alicia's like, oh, there's no time Jason.

[00:34:26] Interesting time. They owe $60 million. There's no time for. Sometimes they turn to Alicia as if they're like, oh shit, Alicia's here. Sometimes she's just ignored. I dunno. I dunno what it's about them. They're like, talk Alicia. She's cool, right? Like, she, she, she's one of us. Like, no, she's just a fourth year.

[00:34:43] She's not, she's not. Yeah. But she's definitely respected by Clark because when she called her, I out about the thunder clerk was back in her office asking about Allison and um, you know, uh, what was it, mergers and acquisitions and whether she should stick around or not. And [00:35:00] so she's like, yeah, I like Allison.

[00:35:02] And Clerk goes, trumps the whole department other than Alison. So she has all of this influence. Like this episode is really kind of showing Alicia like how much power she actually has in this situation that she actually has. That she thinks she has. Yeah. Like it's like that she has for the moment. Right?

[00:35:21] Because I mean, Clark is like. Clark, Alicia can kind of, at this point figure out what Clark is doing and she's like, oh, I like Allison, but I like everyone emerging and acquisitions, so like, you should get rid of any of them. Clark's like, listen, like I, I gotta cut there, so I gotta figure out what's going on.

[00:35:38] I'm just asking your opinion. Like, I'm not, you know, I'm not basing anything on you. Like, you know, she basically tells her like, alright, cut it out. Just tell me, just I ask you a question, you tell me the answer. That's all I'm looking for. Don't, I don't need know all this other stuff. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So Alicia does go meet with Maddie.

[00:35:55] This was a moment, this was a moment for us er people [00:36:00] because we, how, how much overlap was there between Yeah, I looked at none. And, and Juliana? None. There was none. No, there were, I don't think she was on, I think she came on after Carol left. Really? Because, yeah, I do remember, 'cause I, I also watched er, I'm not as big as big into er as you are.

[00:36:15] I was a very like, casual er washer, but I did remember. I, I never, I didn't remember if there was overlap or was it like Mar was called because Juliana Marise left the show and they're like, we a new leading woman. We need a new person to root for. What, what was Mar Was Marcher's name Abby on er? Oh, uh, yeah, it was Abby.

[00:36:34] Okay. So they had one season. There was an one season season overlap. One season overlap. Okay. Yeah, yeah. There was the one season overlap. Um, and I, I can only imagine, just understand about these two characters though, is that they were the strongest female characters until Carrie Weaver, like, besides Carrie Weaver.

[00:36:52] But she was strong in a different way, um, on television at this time. And Carol left to go be with [00:37:00] Doug in Seattle and Fancy, fancy, um, and Abby stayed on for until 2009, from like 1996 to 2009. She was there long, long time, and her character was well loved, well received. And so to have these two people back on the screen again, kind of giving them.

[00:37:17] Each other, like a little nod in this scene because Alicia, well is saying, Hey, I'm here to talk about the bankruptcy. And she's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. But like, what about your husband? And like, is he good? Like, do you believe in him? And all of this stuff. And they have this conversation. She's like, okay, about the bankruptcy again, let me just leave this and leave my card.

[00:37:35] And then at the end of the scene, there's this like, pause and this like, I see you, I see you. Like, Hey, hey. I'm like, oh, yay. Like I can only imagine, I can only imagine the commercials back in the day. Like, and, and at nine, 9:00 PM uh, Sunday night, check out the er reunion of, but they couldn't because there's different, different, um, networks.

[00:37:59] [00:38:00] NBC was er, and this was CBS. So they had to Yeah. Specifically say like, more Tierney and Juliana Margolies together on the good wife. They couldn't say like. Carol and Abby are back together, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, true, true. But I loved, I just loved seeing this, um, connection. Yeah. I mean, you could tell in the moment that, uh, that Maddie is kind of fangirling about Alicia a little bit.

[00:38:25] She's like, like, yeah, your husband, you get to get along politically. She's like, well enough. And if you wanna really go deep into the er lore, uh, the character of Carol Hathaway was not supposed to make it past the first season or first episode. She was supposed to die in that first episode, and then she kept on going for many other e many other seasons.

[00:38:46] And there would be no Abby really, if there was no Carol. So like. That's from the ER lover's perspective. Well, stay, listen, stay, stay tuned for the ER podcast. Let's by Marissa Garza at some point in time by [00:39:00] myself. Hi Marissa. What do you think about this? Oh, Marissa, I think it's fantastic. So, yes, that, that little awkward goodbye happened.

[00:39:09] And then we get to Peter, like, we're to Peter. Peter is on the bus being interviewed by a journalist. Eli knocks on the door. Peter, I gotta get, I gotta steal you for a second. Like, just come outside. Just come outside. Apparently the campaign is concerned about money. Um, but when he walks outside, he sees that Maddie's there and Maddie has questions and he, she's interested and like contributing to the campaign.

[00:39:31] And, and Peter's like, oh, has Eli been bending your ear? Was it he is, is he doing a good job? And she's like, no, it's actually your wife. And like Eli could not be more happy about the situation. Peter, he's just like, Peter was like, my, what? My who like, oh, like, you know, Alicia, like, how do you know Alicia and Eli like, perks up.

[00:39:50] And the next question is like, are you two separated? And Peter says, yes. And Eli says No at the same time. Yes. Um, [00:40:00] and they basically talk about like, you're not gonna sleep with any other prostitutes. How do I know this? And because I told you and you like, it's like Peter's changed, you know, like he's, he's different back on that, that soundbite.

[00:40:12] And, um, Maddie's like, I don't believe people can change. And Peter's like, I didn't either until I went to prison. And so apparently that like earned enough, literally all Alicia did was say hello and drop off a document. Didn't even bring up Peter. Didn't mention Peter didn't do anything. So this, I believe was Maddie's backdoor plan to get to Peter from the beginning.

[00:40:37] To get, Hmm, to get to Peter. I like to be involved in the Peter campaign, not to like get after him. I don't know. I think it's more about Alicia. I don't, I like, I think, I think Maddie just really like digs Alicia's vibe. Yeah. And I think to like interview she be like, I'm gonna be friends with Alicia and I'm gonna do, I'm gonna be friends with Alicia by like, I'm also gonna contribute to your husband's [00:41:00] campaign.

[00:41:00] Like, you know, I'm gonna, I want to get in good with Alicia. I was like, interesting. Interesting. That's, I mean, I guess that's what rich people do. That's a vibe I'm getting into. I know that. Yeah. I don't, I don't think it would, I don't think it would matter if Maddie just went to Peter and was like, Hey, hey, that's true.

[00:41:15] That's fair. That's fair. I wanna contribute. But he's not gonna be like, Hmm, I don't know how my, how does my wife like you? Like I, that's what I'm thinking. Yeah. Peter would be like, oh yeah, gimme the money. I don't care. I don't care who you're, gimme your money. Yeah, that's true. Uh, back at the office, Eli runs by, she's like, Hey.

[00:41:29] I owe you one. Thanks for Maddie. And she's like, wait, what? What is going on? And later, uh, Maddie runs into Alicia in court and Alicia's like Kayla told me like, thanks so much for supporting, supporting Peter. And Maddie's like, yeah, you know, also, would you like to go get a drink? And Alicia is so okay.

[00:41:48] It's so cringey. It's so cringey because she's like, oh, I'm so flattered. But I am married, which literally has been answered in 80 gazillion different ways in this entire [00:42:00] episode, but I'm married. And Maddie's like, oh yeah, no, not like that. Like. It is just hard to get friends. And I thought, you know, like we could be friends.

[00:42:10] Is that a thing that we could do? Maybe, yeah. Alicia was like, oh, you lesbians always try to hit on me versus Clinda. Now it's you. Alicia had definitely had a lot of main character energy this episode. Yeah, no girl. It's not always about trying to get with you. It's not always about like, not about you. I mean, granted, she's the main character of this TV show, but either way I did.

[00:42:31] I was like, yeah, I, I know why she went to that first. It's like, yeah, like oh, mm, I'm flattered. I know I'm hot and everything. I know I got the serious Karu woman haircut, this stuff of this season. But, uh, I'm not really into that. Not, that's not my thing. I can give you clinda number though. Like, do you know Clinda Sharma?

[00:42:49] Every lesbian I meet me other lesbian. I know every lesbian I meet knows Clinda Sharma. So you must know her too. Right. But Patty's like, um, no, you freaking weirdo. I'm just asking [00:43:00] for as a fur friend drink. Like you never heard of that. Damn. Oh, that's so funny. So this will be interesting to see how this goes forward.

[00:43:09] And if Maddie, I, I honestly didn't remember that Moira return was on this show. Yeah. For, I, I do recall this, but for some reason I feel like, I feel like Maddie, like oversteps her boundaries. Probably she does something to piss Alicia off. I'm trying to like get into my memory banks and figure it out, but it'll be interesting to see where this goes.

[00:43:30] So I feel like it's gonna, it is not gonna go anywhere good. Yeah. Probably not. Probably not. Back at the, the office Diane pull solution and say like, Hey, Maddie's not gonna like, renegotiate the rent. Um, however, I did hear that she donated to Peter's campaign. Isn't that, isn't that odd? Isn't that weird?

[00:43:47] And she's like, listen, I dunno anything about this. Like, I dunno how this happened. It just happened. Yeah, I, uh, I was like, Diane, I feel like you should know Alicia better than this by now, that she wouldn't be [00:44:00] trying those shady stuff. But I mean, well, listen, we are, we are not that far removed from Alicia basically like threatening to, to like quit unless she gets more money.

[00:44:09] Like Yeah. Because she, I mean, buy a house that she didn't end up buying. Yeah. So I guess I, I just don't think di I think Diane was accusing her of something that I don't think Alicia would do. Like you should know, Alicia doesn't not give two shits about Peter's political aspirations as much as like going on campaign stops with him.

[00:44:26] So I was a little surprised she accused Alicia of, of this kind of, uh, skullduggery, if you will. Yeah. I mean, but I, it'll be interesting to see what happens because if she is only six feet away from the news at all times, maybe at this point Diane will be like, Hey Will, let's close the door. Like mm-hmm. I dunno if I trust her as much.

[00:44:44] Yeah, for sure. At the end of the episode, unfortunately, we see a happy scene between Peter and Alicia on the on the bus, and he's happy and they're laughing, blah, blah, blah. Eli's excited. Yay. Yeah. I saw this like, oh, I know, I know Marissa Scowling right now. I know she freaking hates this moment [00:45:00] where Alicia and Peter have such a warm, tender moment laughing at Eli's expense.

[00:45:03] 'cause Eli is being Eli and he is like, what are you two laughing at? We're laughing at you Eli. You're silly. Goose. And just seeing Alicia on a campaign bus looking so like content, like in a peace and like happy or whatever. I was like, I know Mercedes. This shit not against her being happy or content or at peace or any of that.

[00:45:24] I just would love it if it was not in the proximity. Mm-hmm. Of Peter, because I still don't like him. But I'll tell you, I don't like him. He was much better than the person I absolutely lo the. Mm-hmm. In this episode to a truck, man. Well, let's, uh, we gonna wrap up the Clark stuff before, before we get there.

[00:45:46] Clark. Oh. Clark. Clark. Still doing some stuff. The fact that you fired everyone from mergers and acquisitions, but left l as in there. Yeah, he loved Allison. Who? Alicia was like, yeah, I like Allison. And was like, Clark has fried everyone [00:46:00] but Allison. And you know, Alicia's like, Hey Clark Bru. I don't like being kind of like the decider everyone face.

[00:46:06] Yeah. Like, why are you putting me this? And Clark's like, you're not the decider. Everyone's fates, Alicia. It's not always about you. Like I am asking other people for their opinions. And you were one of those people. And I feel like at that moment Clark's like, all right, not asking Alicia no more questions anymore.

[00:46:21] 'cause she is, whoa. And then she realizes that. And as Clark walks out the door, she's like, I love everyone. I love all the people. I like, I like everyone. Well, 'cause he asked about three specific people and she's like, because she know she at this point is clocked Clark is getting rid of people that I say I, that I, yeah.

[00:46:36] He's keeping people I say I like, and she's like, I, I like all of them. No fire or any of 'em. And Clark's like, what? Like what are you talking about? Like, at the end, she's sincere about it. Well, of course she's, she's always sincere Clark's like, it's not about that. You're not the ar. She's like, I don't like being the arbiter of people's fates.

[00:46:53] I was like, you're not like, it's like. The ego meter on Alicia kind of like went up [00:47:00] throughout the Because she, yes, because everyone's looking for Alicia. Yeah. Who wants talk to Alicia. She's like, I don't like to People's Fs, he is like, you're not deciding people's Fs. Like you're not the, you're literally just having a conversation.

[00:47:12] You're not the only person I'm talking to. You're not the only person I'm deciding whether or not I fire people. Like, so get over yourself. It was kind of like, kind of Clark's demeanor's, like, get over yourself girl. And he looks at her like, I'm not gonna ask you any more questions 'cause you, you doing too much.

[00:47:27] Like. I would take that as a read of like, oh, I actually do know this firm pretty well if other people are conferring my stuff. But I'm not Alicia rk. So, yeah. I mean, Clarkson, you've been here for a while. Just asking your opinion of people. I'm asking a lot of people's opinions on a lot of people. You're not the only decider of things.

[00:47:42] But Alicia, with her, you know, their main character syndrome has to be like, who I'm deciding who, who has a job and who doesn't? Uh, woe is me. It's like, no, it's not that serious. It's not that deep. Alicia, calm down. Yeah. Speaking of not that serious, [00:48:00] not that deep. Oh, bro. Let us, us talk about Ka Glenda's storyline in this episode.

[00:48:09] This is how much, I don't wanna talk about it. I'm slowing down my speech. It was just, it's just so weird and it was weird, so badly written. Yeah, the first scene we see is they are getting, they being Kalinda and tow truck guy are get out getting ice cream. Can I, can I tell you, I so they don't mention tow truck man's name almost a whole episode to like the very end, what is it?

[00:48:34] And I could not remember his name with the life of me. And I gave him like three different names as I was writing. And I was like, at first he said, Kalinda and Terry are out eating like blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And later I'm like, wait a minute, his name's not Terry, his name is Joe. I said, Kalinda tells Isha about Joe.

[00:48:52] I was like, wait, no, that's not me. And then it's like, Kisha and Kisha, Kalinda and Billy do this, [00:49:00] this and that. So Billy was the other guy. Yeah. I was like, is that right? I was like, I'm not sure. And then at the very end of the episode when Clark is gonna confront Kalinda Clark, confronts Alicia about Nick, I was like, Nick is his name.

[00:49:12] I don't know if I would've ever got Nick. Nick Sever is, that's right, that's right. I was like, yeah. I could not, his name from, yeah. With a name like Nick Severs. I think he's Irish actually. Or Irish or what? Yeah, from the, from the over the seas overseas. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So they're off for ice cream and asking her like, oh, you took, you, you left me, you took my money, but did you like have to take my money and burn my clothes, blah, blah, blah.

[00:49:42] And Alicia's or Collin's, like, did you cry? And then at this point he takes his fingers and puts them somewhere under the counter. So, and from my perspective, Jason mm-hmm. It looked like it went one certain way. [00:50:00] Yeah. Yeah. How did you see this scene going? So we've had a, we've in clinda storylines especially, we've had a lot of Panta mind of different.

[00:50:13] Sexual acts. Sexual acts. Yeah. There you go. Where we see hands go down places, uh, out of camera frame. And, and this was the most awkward and most weirdly choreographed one of them all. I felt like. Yes. Because I think I, I want, I wanna say, I wanna say he went like in Okay. In the, in the back door. Yeah. Like, that's where I wanna think he went, because that's kind of where the positioning, I feel like would put it.

[00:50:45] And I, I, I didn't wanna think of too much about the positioning, but it, they made me, they made me like illustrate in my mind the positioning of what happened here. Which I know you can't do Marissa, so you're lucky. Um, [00:51:00] but I think, I think he went, oh no. But like, also the way it was, it's okay. Like they're sitting at a counter, the counter goes over her lap and then his arm.

[00:51:08] Is coming from the back of her unless he went like he, unless he has a huge reach. Um, and she didn't even like go up, like she didn't even like Yeah. Move up. Yeah. I think he might have turned this vanilla ice cream in a chocolate, if you know what I mean. Oh, because after, because as you're about to illustrate, um, it gets even weirder from here.

[00:51:30] Yes. Yes. Because then he is like, uh, I don't remember you. Well, he says, he said, she said, or he says to her before this whole thing, like, I don't remember you being a bitch. And she's, and then he says, but I think you remember this, and the finger thing happens. And then she's like, yeah, but I thought you were better at it.

[00:51:48] And then he takes his fingers and he puts in the ice cream, in the ice cream cone that kalinda, that Glenda's eating's eating this ice cream cone, ice cream cone. And then she eats it. And then like [00:52:00] so many things, so many things. Not only did it. Probably go into an orifice of some sort. Mm. But you were at a diner, like even, like, your hands are gonna be contaminated with germs no matter what.

[00:52:10] And Kalinda ate it. Oh, she ate it. And this was like, I don't know, sometimes network TV is like, we can't show sex, so I don't know what to do. This was horrible. There's a lie. This is a horrible one. There's a line and y'all crossed it. Yeah. Like you, you, you went way over the line. Like, I am good with, uh, you know, intimating that things are happening, that certain sexy acts are taking place.

[00:52:32] I love it. Actually, I enjoy it. Uh, usually I'm all for, it wins all with Glenda. But this was like, no, you went, you went too, too gross. That was just gross. It was like so demeaning to the character of like, Kalinda should have taken her, her ice cream and like put it in space in his face. Exactly. Yeah. And then she licks it up.

[00:52:51] I'm like, oh, that's gross. Like y'all y gross me out like that. What makes it worse is we have no context about this relationship, so I have no idea. Like [00:53:00] why? Weird. She's like, so weird. This with this man. I have no idea what is going on. Um, but no thank you. Yeah. I would not like an ice cream cone from tow truck, man.

[00:53:10] Thank you so much. Poor, poor little Jimmy. You know, being taken to a diner by his, or ice cream parlor by his mom is probably like a table over looking at this like, oh, mommy. Or even like the teenager behind the desk counter. This has probably scarred multiple people in that, in that, uh, establishment for, for life at this point.

[00:53:28] This I know, it, it scarred me, uh, for, for gonna scar me for a while now because that was, that was too much. That was one of the weirdest things I've seen on television. Uh, Kalinda goes and does, you know, in her honesty and transparency era tells Alicia, Hey, you know that tow truck guy, uh, that's my husband and we should probably drop the case.

[00:53:47] And so again, another thing that Alicia is brought into in this episode, she kind of was like the middle of the, spoke of all of the. Plots that were going on. Uh, it's like, okay, cool. That's [00:54:00] the thing I gotta do. So she goes and she lets him go and he's very Ugg about it because he's gonna take 80 gi sips of water.

[00:54:09] And then he's like, okay. He leaves, he knocks down a vase on his way out, and then Kalinda like, looks at him like, I told you I'd get rid of you. And then he does like a two fingered kiss. Yeah. Over to her. And I was like, I'm, I'm done. I think I see some moments where they have Nick, because when Alicia tells Nick, we've gotta let you go.

[00:54:30] We can't take a case anymore. Nick oddly drinks a bunch of water, I think. And then as you said, he walks to the office, knocks down something. I think, I think the Kings and the writers of his show. Our thinking that we're supposed to think like, oh my gosh, he's so dangerous. Nick is, Nick is so cool. Nick is so badass.

[00:54:50] Like, look, look at him drinking that water. Look at him knocking that vase over. Like, I think that's what they want us to think. I'm like, I hate this man with everything in my body, but it [00:55:00] just looks clownish. Like this just makes you go, this man's a clown. This man is ridiculous. He's a ridiculous character in this universe.

[00:55:08] Of which to this point you've done well to give us non off the charts clowny people. Yeah. Uh, this probably closest to this, which you know, was another Kalinda storyline was Blake. Mm-hmm. You know, this is like a, this is like a even worse continuation of the Blake character. Yeah. So this is like, it's like, ew, like this is just.

[00:55:29] It's not cool. It's not badass, it's just dumb. Like it's this, what is this? Ugh. The way he drink, he drinks his water. Like, Ugh, you gotta drink your water. And then walks out like, okay, what, what was that supposed to do? But it's also really like damaging Melinda's character because I was okay with it in the beginning when he showed up.

[00:55:48] And then she was like, get out. Like, mm-hmm. You know, like, okay. But she has not followed through on the get out. She has let this continue. And again, I have no idea [00:56:00] why. And so this is showing me that like, Kalin is not as confident as I thought she was. But again, I have no context, you know what I mean?

[00:56:07] Like, it's just kind of like degrading the character without any reason. And I, I can't remember if any reason actually comes or not. So it's really like such a disservice to the work that Archie Archie Punjabi did in the first couple of seasons to make this character as good as it was. It's really eroding that for me now.

[00:56:25] It's not like, like I will always stand kalinda, like Kalinda is. Always that girl, even when we did that other show that I forgot about, no Hijacked. Yeah. That had her and that we were like, it's Kalinda. You know, like still, it's still, you know, a really great character, but I'm really not loving what this storyline is doing to not only the show, but to her character.

[00:56:47] Yeah. I, first of all, I can't believe you forgot Hijack, because that is okay. That is the birth of this podcast. How that came through, how that came about it, it's, and it also, because we both were like, no, [00:57:00] it's supposed to be an umpire of its own. Yes, for sure. Hijack, hijack Season two is still coming. I think.

[00:57:05] Uh, I haven't heard much about it recently, but last I heard hijacked You was on its way. Um, but yes, I, I totally agree with you about how this makes Clinda look. It feels like a step back for the character. I think what I think what the, what the Kings writers are trying to. Say is like, Hey, even Kalinda can be susceptible to a toxic relationship and going back to that toxic relationship that she, we know she should have left.

[00:57:33] But I think to your point, they've given us no background about what this relationship was, why Kalinda was ever in love with this man in the first place of, to say why she wants to go back to this man. So it feels out of the blue and it feels like clin, it feels like Clinda is being a lesser character than she was by going back to this.

[00:57:54] Like, let us know why they fell in love, what she loved about this man, why she's swamp this. Because at this point [00:58:00] it looks like Clinda is just going along with this nonsense. For what? What you don't know. Yeah. And even more so when she comes home from work and he's sitting in the chair with a gun and doing like the, the whole thing all over again, and then they.

[00:58:17] He punches a mirror and then they have sexy time. It's just like, I, I don't, I, I don't, I don't get this. It's such a badly written, I mean, it, the, the whole thing is just, is a farce because it's like, it's a, it's a bad soap opera is what it feels like. Like, and I've watched plenty of basketball opera scenes, so I know, like, she walks in, he has the gun.

[00:58:40] She basically ignores him. I'm like, okay, good. Cool, cool, cool. Like, she doesn't take him seriously. He, I don't know, he just walks up to a mirror, like starts, he punches a mirror and she looks, she opens doors, like, oh, looks at him. He hold, he holds his bloody hand. He's like, oh. And then she like, just walks out of the bathroom, goes into the, [00:59:00] into the bedroom.

[00:59:00] Like, come here, let me, let me bandage your wounds. It's like. Huh. Like, and this man has done nothing redeeming to even show us that he cares about her. No, either. And he's just like, why, why do you hurt me? She's like, shut up. He's like, I love you. I always will. And she tells him to lie back. I was like, okay.

[00:59:18] Was about to happen. And she about to like, twist his balls. She's about to like, you know, like, hit him in the groin. No, she kisses him. And it's like, why, why is any of this happening? It's, it's such a why storyline. Like, you're not, you're not giving us good explanation. You're not giving us good motivation.

[00:59:37] You're not doing any of this. So it feel, it all feels like a fever dream for this whole storyline. Yeah. And again, I would love to know why any of this is happening, because in the end, even though Alicia dismissed the case, she's gotta take it back. The clerk's like, look, we can need the money. So you gotta take it back again.

[00:59:54] So he's not going away. Unfortunately, he will still be around. But I think this, uh, little [01:00:00] storyline did have to go with an email that we got from our good friend Chris Monk. Jason, Chris Monk, who is our, um, our window correspondent, who lets us know, uh, talks about all the different changes, all the different window changes for all different law firm.

[01:00:15] Yes. Uh, changes. He emailed us, uh, this week, and I think he's given us a list of all the times that the name's going to change, which I have ignored because I don't wanna be spoiled. So, uh, I ignored that part, but at the end, he leaves us a, a little, a little thing to end us on, and he asked us a question to which, you know, really relevant in an episode where, where the, the judge takes jury questions.

[01:00:41] Yes. Yes. Uh, so in this, in this note, last part of it. Is, uh, you know, he ask, he basically ask us to, without going through the Holy Meal, what spinoff would you be most keen? 'cause Chris is a UK uh, listener is which, which, what spinoff would you be most keen on seeing? I think that's an [01:01:00] interesting question.

[01:01:01] Uh, I think, I think the obvious answer, but I think most anyone is going to say would be a Kalinda spinoff, right? Yeah. I mean Kalinda, uh, yeah. Not Kalinda now, but maybe Lin earlier. Yeah. I mean it would still be good. Yeah. But better, better written Kalinda. Yes. Better Ring Kalinda. Where Kalinda is like a pi.

[01:01:22] She's gotten her private, private li private investigator license. She probably already has it, but she's going into business for herself. Yes. And all the crazy clients she would take and all the crazy things she would've to do on a daily basis. Um, I think that would be probably the number one spin all people you looking for.

[01:01:38] Um, I think, what do you think Marissa? Like, can you ideas. I mean, like at this point in what we have seen in the Good Wife, I, I would also, I would've said an Eli one earlier, but we see him so much now. But I don't know if I need an Eli spinoff anymore. I think, I think, I think I would like a Diane [01:02:00] prequel.

[01:02:01] Oh, okay. I mean, listen, I, I, I've put out there the Good Wife prequel series I wanna see. Yes, exactly. With Alicia Will and Peter at Georgetown and all the shenanigans they got into back in the day between, you know, it really would be a low triangle between Will Alicia and Peter. I think that would be interesting.

[01:02:19] Um, I think I, I was interested in the Eli of it all last season when he was, uh, crisis managing different, yeah. People doing different things like that would be fun to see. Like all the different kind of kooky cases he would get. That would probably, that would be separate from, uh, from Peter, separate from, uh, Lockhart Gardner.

[01:02:38] I think just. Eli doing his Eli thing, uh, would be a fun spinoff as well. Well, we also have another spinoff of a character that we've known so far in the show coming up. Like it's a thing that's happened. Yeah, yeah. Definitely. Good old Seth is coming back on. Oh, yes. On air. Yes. Elizabeth will be back soon.

[01:02:57] Um, so sometimes it's like even the characters [01:03:00] that like, like when we first, or like when I first watched this, I didn't think that we can make a whole spinoff off of Elsbeth, but Yeah, true. I mean, we did listen and this, and the spinoff of Elsbeth really takes Elsbeth and makes her, she's the same character, but with the different motivation.

[01:03:16] Different Yes. She's not a lawyer in that, in that spinoff. She's more of a detective, more of a cop. Yeah. Yeah. Um, in that spinoff, so we can really take characters and really kind of make them into anything. Oh, Carrie. Yeah. Carrie, spinoff. Carrie, what do you, what do you want Carrie to be? Uh, I would either take carry the college years or like in his Peace Corps mushroom doing, like taking haes of that or like Carry, take making his own firm and thinking that like he has it all together, but like really having to like relearn some things.

[01:03:50] Like, hi him thinking that he got to like will status. Like he's like, I am Will now. He's not really just kind of a mom, it's kind of a mom and pop [01:04:00] shop of a lawyer when he thinks he's Yeah. He thinks he's locked our gardener. Yeah. Um, yeah. I maybe if you may care like a doctor instead of a lawyer. Oh yeah, maybe.

[01:04:10] Oh, actually they did that. Literally, it's called the residence. Um, I never watched it, but maybe I will. Now I'm back. I'm back in the Matt Zachery, uh, landscape of things. I mean, what, what, what is Matt Zachery doing? I don't know. Uh, he recently appeared at Lauren Graham's walk of hall, like Walk of Fame star unveiling.

[01:04:29] Because he has nothing better to do. Yeah, I guess. I mean, there were a lot of Gilmore Girl in there. Um, but he showed up, which I thought, I was like, oh, Logan, hi. Yeah, gimme, gimme a Carrie spinoff. I take that. I think Carrie, I think Carrie needs, I think, whereas in you could do a Eli spinoff and have a bunch of straight people, not, not, not sexually, a bunch of like straight men around Eli.

[01:04:52] I feel like Carrie is the straight man. Yes, exactly. And needs a lot of kooky personalities around him. Yes. Uh, because he's, he's [01:05:00] such a straight lace kind of. I mean, he had, he definitely has morals. Funny, he never has his funny moments, but he's such a, he's such a straight laced guy. You need personalities around him.

[01:05:09] Whereas Eli. And Eli and Elsbeth is kooky enough to just have regular people around her reacting to her or to them. Yeah. I think you need opposite for Carrie. Um, yeah, I think that would, that would be cool. That'd be fun. Uh, I think da, if David Lee went off his own, let's say David Lee had to move to like, uh, to like Wyoming or like, uh, I don't know, some backwoods place that had to do a family law firm on his own that you could turn, turn that into a comedy.

[01:05:37] I think that'd be funny. I have a parallel spinoff idea. I would love to have had a spinoff of what Julius is doing during the rest of these episodes is not on. Yes. That'd be funny. You just, you just see like, you just see through, through his windows. Yeah. Other things that are going on, like, I don't know what they're all about, but [01:06:00] we like just, I would love to see the moments like he's tries to inject blackness into Lock Car Gardner and just fails.

[01:06:06] Especially, I mean, knowing, you know, the good fight it does, it does do a good job kind of writing the wrongs of the, the good wife in the, in the situation. However, um, I just think it would be fun, like, you know, or like what's going on on the 27th floor as opposed to the 25th floor. You know, like one of those type of spinoffs where it's like stuff that's happening at the same time.

[01:06:25] We could reference, you know, what is the star Tre Lamont Bishops here? Yeah. Yeah. Lower decks. Yeah, lower decks. Yeah. That again, that would be something like that. I mean, I was gonna say, you could go gritty with it and do the Lamont Bishop spinoff where Yeah. Yeah. The main, the main streets of Chicago with drugs and all that.

[01:06:39] You could definitely do that. 'cause I think we've seen enough of, like we, we see it through the window of Lockhart Gardner to see like their view of it. What is Lamont Bishop's view of his life now? He, he, he is his drug empire, uh, kingpin self. So that would be interesting. So a lot of different options.

[01:06:55] We can go, we could go with on in the good wife spinoffs. Yeah. And, uh, Kings, if you're listening. [01:07:00] Which might be, we got ideas. We got ideas, got ideas. Come on. We'd love to hear from you about set ideas. Yeah. Uh, that was a fun little thought experiment. Um, but yeah, Chris, for writing in Yes. Thank you Chris for that, for that, uh, idea generation.

[01:07:15] Um, but mea that is Yeah. Episode you wanna tell the people Yeah. Where they can find you and the things you're up to. You can find me at, it's me marissa g.com. There I have links to all of the podcasts that I'm on currently. This one, the Good Pod here with you, Jason. Like I said, we will be kicking off our Elizabeth coverage in the coming weeks, uh, over on Whirlwind podcast.

[01:07:36] I'm still talking about Pretty Little Liars One previously honored at a time, um, that show if you are a fan of bad writing. That show also is one of those, not that this is all bad writing here on The Good Wife, but it's feels like, it feels like different writers took over the Kalinda storyline. Yeah.

[01:07:53] Yeah. It's like maybe they're like te testing or like newbies. I don't know. Um, and then I am talking [01:08:00] about the Star Trek for the next generation series with my sister who I, we have only ever, we've never watched it. We, so we are in the second season there on the USS Sisterhood. That's where you can find me, Jason.

[01:08:12] I hear it is Love is Blind season. So what's going on with. Listen, October is like weirdly, like they decided to pile everything on me in October. 'cause a lot's going on. Uh, so of course you can find me here at the Good Pod, as Marissa said. We're talking about Elsbeth, uh, within the next, I want you to hear this, uh, less than a week away from Elsbeth.

[01:08:32] Yeah. Uh, coming out. Uh, so we're gonna be talking about that, me and Marissa. And then over on the Love at First Sight Feed Over on. Rob has a podcast. You can hear me talk with Asia Welch and Mary Krakowski about the new season of Love Is Blind. Uh, listen, if you're a love is Blind, watch your. You kinda know what you're gonna get.

[01:08:49] It's just about which, what silly situations, these love, love stream people are gonna get themselves into. Uh, so if you're, if that is your jam, come on over. Uh, we are, we're talking about that. [01:09:00] Also, me and Asia Welch are gonna be talking about, uh, we are talking about show matter first sight over on, uh, the Perfect Match podcast.

[01:09:06] We have a Patreon, we're talking about older seasons. Uh, we're talking about season 11 right now, uh, until the new season premieres now for the longest time I've been saying whenever that comes up, whenever that's happening. But we finally, is it October? It's October. We finally got a date ready. First Sight season 19 is gonna be coming to your airwaves on Peacock on October 23rd.

[01:09:29] And so me and Aysha Welch will be back talking about that show the new episodes over on that same feed. You can get those blind love of First Sight Feed when we talk about only Perfect Match Podcast season 19. Ready First Sight. It's here. We're ready. We're pumped, we're excited. A lot of format changes from Ready First Sight.

[01:09:48] So it's gonna be, we're gonna be working out. How are we gonna do that? So stay tuned. If you like me and the stuff I talk about, you have a plethora of options in the, in October. Yeah. So come check it out. We're gonna have fun. [01:10:00] Uh, and until next time, stay good. ​