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Vincent: So I'm looking
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because literally it's
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I'm sort of turning
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can spot something.

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And of course, what I
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a tiny speck of light.

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The moment I look at
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I'm being drawn to it.

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And it's like, I'm
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the speed of light.

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Rod: My guest today
is Vincent Olivier.

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Welcome to the show, Vincent.

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Vincent: Thank you very much
for having me as a guest.

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It's my pleasure and
my honor to be there.

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Rod: I understand that
you had an NDE or was it

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several NDE's some time ago?

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Would you like to give us a
little bit of background and

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tell us about what happened?

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Vincent: Yes, certainly.

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I had a near death experience
in 2018, January 2018.

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But perhaps before I explain
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it's worth mentioning Giving
you a bit more background

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about my life because that
near death experience was

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my fifth encounter with
death, and I had reached

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the point At which I was
thinking that death was

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actually chasing me and there
was something wrong with me

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because I was surviving a re
encounter with death as well.

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So perhaps I'll start and
I'll give you like a brief

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summary of my childhood
and how it led to that near

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death experience in 2018.

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I was born in the early
80s and childhood.

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Nothing particular, aside
from moving countries at a

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very young age, my parents
moved from France to Africa

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and the first 10 years of my
life were just marked perhaps

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by two recurring dreams and
a very early encounter with

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death when I was just a few
weeks old and my parents

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were driving to see my
grandparents and I would I

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Be meeting my grandparents
for the first time and they

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had a car accident.

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Uh, nothing major.

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Uh, there were no
injuries and so on,

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but it's just like any, you
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eighties car safety wasn't
as good as it is today.

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And as a baby, you know,
I was in a little cradle.

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There was no, not
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baby seat or seatbelt.

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So I literally flew inside
the car and bounced inside it.

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And of course my parents
were a bit worried that

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something has happened to
me, but I was perfectly fine.

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I guess babies were
quite malleable, you

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know, at that age.

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Um, so in a way I met my
grandparents at the police

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station where they were just
like recording the accident.

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Um, but that was my first
encounter with death.

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I have no memory of it.

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It did nothing
special, specific.

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To me, as far as I could tell
at the time, um, the strange

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thing at that age is before
we moved to Africa, as I tend

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to have lots of memories of
the first few months of my

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life, which is unheard of.

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Every time I did research
about it, uh, scientists

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are always saying, no, no,
you always have a memory

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from the age of three
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But not really before that.

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So I do have a lot of
memories that I check with

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my parents when I was a kid.

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So I remember that, you
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suburbs and it was this
big tall concrete buildings

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and it was the eighties.

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I remember that guy wearing
like a leather jacket and

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it was pink, uh, Mohawk
and, uh, or green Mohawk.

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And my mother would say, Oh
yeah, that was at the park.

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We had like a few, well,
we, we labeled them punks,

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but it was like more, you
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It's not in a bad way.

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Uh, French people say punk.

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And, um, so yeah, lots
of memories like that.

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And then the
memories do vanish.

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Whereas I moved to Africa
and they come back around the

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age of three to four indeed.

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Um, and then I had
two recurring dreams

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when I was a child.

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My first dream was I'm
an adult and I'm being

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chased by five to six guys.

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Uh, literally they're
running after me.

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So I'm trying to escape
and it's kind of a

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big city environment.

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I get to a dead end.

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I just have the time to
turn around and I know that

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they're about to kill me and
there's no escape for me.

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I need to escape
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They pulled out guns and
they fire right away at me.

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And I'm seeing myself
elevating and I'm

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thinking, yeah, great.

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I'm escaping them.

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they're still shooting

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my dead body and they're
checking my dead body.

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So imagine you're a child,
you're five, six years old,

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and you have that dream
that constantly comes back.

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It's just quite violent
in a way for at that age.

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I couldn't make a
lot of sense of it.

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It was really freaking me out.

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And it made me more panicked
about the idea of death.

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And the other dream recurring
dream I had was more around,

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um, it's more an analogy, I
guess, but it was like a big

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rock going down slope and
that big rock is actually

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very light, not heavy at all.

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As it goes down the slope, it
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heavier and heavier as well.

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And I think that was just
an analogy for maybe spirit

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world to a more condensed
human experience, perhaps,

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but again, as a child, I could
not make any sense of it.

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I tried to talk to adults
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not figure it out for me.

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So those, those were
coming back all the time.

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And if you fast forward
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um, maybe I should, should
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Africa, um, I guess, you
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Australia as well, but, uh,

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there were a few
dangerous animals, snakes.

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That did not do much
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of death because,

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Some of them could be deadly.

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a few encounters where
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to face with a snake.

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fast forward to around the age
of 10, I had I had headaches

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for quite a few weeks,

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unexplained as well.

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And I had back
to back emergency

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surgeries at the time.

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And no one really knew
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I had my appendix removed.

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to France on emergency.

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a brain tumor and so I
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Uh, that's was the
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which I love by the way,

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because the nature and
so abundant and life was

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very simple over there.

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Um, but yeah, I'm being
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I have to spend like a month
in a hospital, um, but I'm

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receiving really good care
and I have no symptoms or

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problems whatsoever are
recovered very quickly.

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Nobody is really able to
explain what was the origin of

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that, but it's being treated.

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And here I am back on my
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And I think my family did
a really great job of never

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putting too much emphasis
on what had happened.

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So it happened.

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We, we live in the present
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forward to the future.

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So let's just
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So as a teenager, I was
more of a shy teenager,

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I would say, but I gained
confidence through my

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teenage years by practicing
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everything was sort of like
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And around the age of
17, I'm involved again

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in a car accident.

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Uh, this time it was
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I was a passenger and the
driver lost control of the

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car and we basically skidded
to the other side of the

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road, hit like a grassy
bank, the car flipped on

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its roof, went the other
side of the road, and was

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literally kind of flat,
flattened where I was sitting.

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I have, I, my last
recollection of that

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accident is as we're about
to hit the, the grass.

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And I just remember
crossing my arms saying,

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no, I'm thinking that's it.

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I'm dead.

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That's the end.

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It all goes blank.

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And then I wake up and
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to fall into the sky.

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And I'm just laying down
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I could see a tire and that
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turned upside down and I was
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So firefighters were around
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on, just checking on us.

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Again, I was perfectly fine.

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I had a quick check in
hospital and with the people

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around the car, nobody was
injured, which actually

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was kind of a miracle.

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I saw the pictures of the car
afterwards and where I was

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sitting was completely flat.

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So from the bonnet, you could
say, you could tell like there

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was a continuation of the line
instead of having the, you

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know, the, the windscreen and
the, and the roof, it was just

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flat, completely flattened.

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And I'm quite a tall guy
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And I was thinking that's
how we escaped that.

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I cannot explain.

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And it was at that age
that it really hit me that

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there's something where.

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It's like I'm surviving.

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I've got all these
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I'm surviving it all the time.

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I'm not really sure
what it's meant to be.

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And I remember one day talking
to one of my grandmothers

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because I've got a really good
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and both sets of grandparents.

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I had really profound
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both my grandmothers.

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I have to thank them
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And I said to one of my
grandmothers, How is it

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that some people seem to
die for a lot less that

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what I've gone through?

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people who go through a lot

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more and a lot tougher and
harder situations too, but

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nonetheless, it seems that
for me, I've been facing death

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four times already yet I'm
still here, you know, with all

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my limbs, all my capabilities,
um, a lot of scars on my body.

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Sure, but nothing major.

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And the answer she gave
me stayed with me because

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she replied, well, son,
you've yet to do what

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you came here to do.

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And I replied,
okay, so what is it?

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And she said, well, it's for
you to figure out, but you

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know, it could be as simple
as, you know, meeting the

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law of your life, having
children, running your life.

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Sometimes it's all it
does to make a difference.

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But I said, yeah, but
why, why did I need to

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go through all that?

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This still doesn't make sense.

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Even if I have a purpose in
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purpose as well of facing
death and being completely

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freaked out of possibility
of dying every single day.

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And she said, well,
that's going to be

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part of your story.

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You know, it probably will
make you more resilient

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mentally tougher if in
case you have to go through

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like a difficult situation.

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And so maybe I was 18 between
18 and 20 years old when we

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had that conversation, but
life goes on, go to uni.

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Start a job, a
career and so on.

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So my twenties are
absolutely fine.

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I get to my early thirties
and this is when we

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getting to the episode of
the near death experience

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that happened in 2018.

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At the time, I had nothing
to complain about my life.

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I live in a nice house
in the United Kingdom.

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Um, I drive a nice car.

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I'm married to the
love of my life.

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Life is great, except that
professionally, I am extremely

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unhappy with my career.

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I find I've got
too much pressure.

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I don't like where I'm at.

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Um, I've started to
study for a complete

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different career path.

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So I was essentially in
digital marketing and data

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management, and I wanted to
move to being an osteopath.

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And I'd already done like
some qualifications to

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be a massage therapist.

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And I was doing like the later
part of the studies to bring

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me to the osteopath level.

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So my days are pretty
busy because I'm really

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busy at work, lots of
pressure, and I'm also

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really busy in the evenings.

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I'm studying at the weekend,
um, in the weekends.

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I'm studying if I'm
sometimes I have to

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go to classes as well.

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So I'm constantly
studying or busy and also.

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Deep down, I feel like
I should press the pause

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button for some reason.

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I'm doing too much.

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My partner has some
concerns as well.

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And it's, it's one of
those catch 22 situations.

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I'm like, well, but if I
leave my job, I'm losing

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the income that is providing
for my osteopath training.

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But if I stop the osteopath
training, I'm also losing

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that potential career change
that would potentially make

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me happier in his life.

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So in hindsight, rather
stupidly, I stay in

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the same situation.

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Um, the one evening we
were at the restaurant

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with my wife and I feel
out of nowhere, sharp

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sensation on my right flank.

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Um, like a stabbing
sensation is the best

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way to describe it.

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I've never been
stabbed, but that's the

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way we described it.

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And we, I think like maybe
it's the food or there's

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something, or it's this.

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My stress levels are too high.

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So we get back home.

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I barely sleep all night.

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I'm in absolute pain.

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It's like cycles
of increasing pain.

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So we do call the emergency
services early in the morning

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and they advise that I go
to the nearest hospital to

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be checked, which we do.

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And over there, the
doctor looks at me, does

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a quick checkup and says,
probably indigestion.

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You were at the restaurant
yesterday, um, you

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00:14:01,746 --> 00:14:03,556
had Thai food, nothing
wrong with Thai food.

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I love Thai food.

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It's just unfortunate.

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It happened to be Thai food.

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So she ruled it as a
poisoning, if you like.

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I go back home.

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I cannot go to the office.

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I'm just like, really still
in agony, thinking I will

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get slightly better because
I do receive some medication.

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Um, but they don't do much.

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Friday goes past.

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It was a Thursday
evening, I should say.

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So Friday goes
past, still pain.

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Saturday, still very painful.

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And this is where I'm
really starting to see no

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improvement to my situation.

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And I remember saying multiple
times to my wife, I'm done.

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I'm dying, darling.

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I feel like I'm dying.

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Like my body is literally
shutting down Um, You fast

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00:14:46,508 --> 00:14:49,978
forward to the Sunday morning,
in the early hours of the

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00:14:49,978 --> 00:14:52,978
morning, and we have to call
the emergency services again.

324
00:14:54,108 --> 00:14:58,508
This time, they decide
to send an ambulance, so

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half an hour later, maybe,
I do have a paramedic in

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my house, and I'm laying
on my sofa in the living

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room, whilst the paramedic
is doing some checks.

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00:15:08,968 --> 00:15:12,028
Um, He does give me
painkillers, which he

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does inject through IV.

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And he also gives me like
a mask and instructs me to

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take a few deep breaths.

332
00:15:18,448 --> 00:15:20,688
And apparently these are
medical gases of some sort.

333
00:15:21,011 --> 00:15:26,791
And so I start inhaling,
um, the, the, the gases

334
00:15:27,181 --> 00:15:29,791
and I do feel a really
relieving sensation.

335
00:15:30,091 --> 00:15:32,201
And I also feel like,
you know, the fluids

336
00:15:32,201 --> 00:15:34,421
of the painkillers
trickling down in my blood

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veins and in the body.

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00:15:36,071 --> 00:15:38,551
It's kind of this warm
and pleasant sensation.

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00:15:39,021 --> 00:15:41,001
But for the first time
in more than three

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days, I'm able to relax.

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00:15:43,381 --> 00:15:47,681
And the next moment I find
myself in a black void.

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There's around me.

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00:15:50,596 --> 00:15:53,226
I don't even have a memory
of what my last vision was.

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00:15:53,656 --> 00:15:55,746
I'm just there floating
in a dark void.

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00:15:57,196 --> 00:15:59,066
I'm not thinking
anything at that moment.

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00:15:59,066 --> 00:16:03,326
If anything, I'm more
relaxed and even relieved.

347
00:16:04,096 --> 00:16:05,876
Um, after a short while, I.

348
00:16:08,101 --> 00:16:10,391
Thinking, what
am I doing there?

349
00:16:11,111 --> 00:16:13,441
So I'm looking for
something around me

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00:16:13,441 --> 00:16:16,241
because really literally
it's just dark around me.

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00:16:16,771 --> 00:16:19,091
So I'm sort of turning
around seeing if I

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00:16:19,091 --> 00:16:20,241
can spot something.

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00:16:21,771 --> 00:16:23,861
And of course, what I
spot in the distance is

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a tiny speck of light.

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00:16:25,661 --> 00:16:28,906
The moment I look at
it, It grows larger and

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I'm being drawn to it.

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00:16:29,956 --> 00:16:32,006
And it's like, I'm
running towards it at

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the speed of light.

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00:16:34,146 --> 00:16:36,656
And as I approach that sphere
of light, that's becoming

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00:16:36,656 --> 00:16:43,336
larger and larger, I see, or I
distinguish four beings within

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00:16:43,336 --> 00:16:46,386
that light, and I can only
see the shadows, so the light

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00:16:46,386 --> 00:16:49,306
is so bright that I see dark
silhouettes within the light.

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00:16:51,136 --> 00:16:56,516
And I'm the same time,
what something really

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00:16:56,516 --> 00:16:59,906
strange occurs to me,
which is I do recognize

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those people instantly.

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00:17:01,736 --> 00:17:03,866
And I know I have not
seen them in a very

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00:17:03,866 --> 00:17:06,956
long while and I'm so
happy to see them again.

368
00:17:08,206 --> 00:17:10,316
I cannot remember
their face to this day.

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00:17:10,636 --> 00:17:13,826
I just knew that I knew
them from somewhere,

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00:17:14,486 --> 00:17:17,136
but that somewhere was
definitely not this life

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00:17:17,146 --> 00:17:18,626
I'm living as Vincent.

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00:17:19,106 --> 00:17:26,026
And at the same time, this
thought of my wife occurs

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00:17:26,056 --> 00:17:30,186
to me and I'm thinking back
as my life and I'm realizing

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00:17:30,186 --> 00:17:33,896
that, hang on a second, it's
lovely to see you, but if

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I'm seeing you, it means that
I'm in the process of dying.

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00:17:36,936 --> 00:17:38,126
And that's not what I want.

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00:17:38,646 --> 00:17:40,066
I'm way too young for that.

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00:17:40,126 --> 00:17:42,066
At the time I
was 33 years old.

379
00:17:42,646 --> 00:17:44,166
Um, I still have
a lot to live.

380
00:17:44,256 --> 00:17:45,806
I still want to
achieve a lot more.

381
00:17:46,216 --> 00:17:47,706
So no, I don't want.

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00:17:48,071 --> 00:17:49,201
I literally don't want to die.

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00:17:49,991 --> 00:17:53,541
And I remember the words I
said, it was a mix of French

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00:17:53,591 --> 00:17:54,781
and English at the time.

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00:17:54,781 --> 00:17:57,601
It just, what came to me
and it really came from

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00:17:57,601 --> 00:18:00,901
the heart and excuse the
language, but I just replied,

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00:18:01,081 --> 00:18:03,431
no fucking way, pa maintenant.

388
00:18:04,261 --> 00:18:06,861
And pa maintenant literally
translate to not now.

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00:18:07,511 --> 00:18:10,661
Um, and, uh, so yeah, no
fucking way, pa maintenant.

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00:18:11,391 --> 00:18:14,721
And it seems like the beings
within the light were not

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00:18:14,721 --> 00:18:15,901
offended in the slightest.

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00:18:15,901 --> 00:18:19,616
And the next instant, the
light just zooms out from

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00:18:19,616 --> 00:18:23,556
me and I feel like I wake
up in my physical body.

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00:18:24,316 --> 00:18:26,496
I'm back in the living
room in the house I was

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00:18:26,496 --> 00:18:27,416
living at at the time.

396
00:18:28,476 --> 00:18:31,906
My wife is touching
my shoulder, um, very

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00:18:31,906 --> 00:18:34,156
gently pressing on it.

398
00:18:34,756 --> 00:18:38,736
And I look at her, she looks
really panicked on her face.

399
00:18:39,166 --> 00:18:42,046
And I'm totally confused
about what has just happened.

400
00:18:43,066 --> 00:18:44,666
And she asked
me, are you okay?

401
00:18:45,316 --> 00:18:48,016
I look at her and
say, yeah, I'm okay.

402
00:18:48,766 --> 00:18:51,206
But the first reflex I have
is, hang on a second, what?

403
00:18:51,636 --> 00:18:53,016
What has just happened?

404
00:18:53,596 --> 00:18:54,676
It's so weird.

405
00:18:55,166 --> 00:18:58,926
So I tried, I grabbed
the mask again because it

406
00:18:58,926 --> 00:18:59,916
had fallen on the floor

407
00:19:00,256 --> 00:19:01,956
and I inhaled a
couple more times.

408
00:19:01,956 --> 00:19:03,796
I'm trying, you know,
almost in a scientific

409
00:19:03,796 --> 00:19:05,596
manner to replicate
what has just happened.

410
00:19:06,646 --> 00:19:07,436
Nothing happens.

411
00:19:07,811 --> 00:19:10,231
I don't go back to the
dark void or anything.

412
00:19:11,011 --> 00:19:14,801
And then the pain comes
back because literally for

413
00:19:15,181 --> 00:19:17,891
a short moment, I was pain
free and the pain in my

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00:19:17,891 --> 00:19:20,291
body comes back and it's
so strong at that moment.

415
00:19:20,291 --> 00:19:23,911
So hard that I
regret my decision.

416
00:19:25,236 --> 00:19:28,416
Thinking, actually I was much
better when I was on the other

417
00:19:28,416 --> 00:19:30,186
side because I was pain-free.

418
00:19:30,756 --> 00:19:32,526
Um, it was very soothing.

419
00:19:32,796 --> 00:19:37,456
It was very kush, kushy, I
would say, you know, very,

420
00:19:37,461 --> 00:19:40,816
very light, very comfortable
not being in a physical,

421
00:19:40,821 --> 00:19:41,806
in that physical body.

422
00:19:42,316 --> 00:19:46,206
And so, yeah, I try
to, to replicate.

423
00:19:46,206 --> 00:19:46,986
Nothing happens.

424
00:19:47,016 --> 00:19:50,586
And the paramedic at
that moment, I did

425
00:19:50,586 --> 00:19:51,576
not notice that I.

426
00:19:52,351 --> 00:19:54,741
What had happened because
he was, uh, turning

427
00:19:55,311 --> 00:19:57,511
his back to me, taking
notes on his notepad.

428
00:19:58,291 --> 00:20:00,741
But basically, he comes back
to me and says, Hey, we need

429
00:20:00,741 --> 00:20:01,771
to rush you to a hospital.

430
00:20:02,121 --> 00:20:02,771
It's really bad.

431
00:20:03,591 --> 00:20:04,881
So I'm being rushed
to a hospital.

432
00:20:05,526 --> 00:20:10,636
And this is something that
then happens is I forget

433
00:20:10,946 --> 00:20:14,626
about the NDE and what
has happened, which I've

434
00:20:14,876 --> 00:20:19,266
listened to countless people
recounting their NDEs.

435
00:20:19,756 --> 00:20:21,556
I've yet to find
someone who said, I've

436
00:20:21,566 --> 00:20:22,856
forgotten about my NDE.

437
00:20:23,646 --> 00:20:26,496
I think I had to focus so much
on what was happening next

438
00:20:27,306 --> 00:20:28,546
that I just pushed it aside.

439
00:20:29,196 --> 00:20:33,936
So being rushed to hospital,
they do a few tests, and very

440
00:20:33,936 --> 00:20:36,926
quickly doctors come to me
and say, well, um, you know,

441
00:20:36,926 --> 00:20:40,356
when you had your appendix
removed back in the days,

442
00:20:40,726 --> 00:20:42,286
I say, yeah, 24 years ago.

443
00:20:42,776 --> 00:20:43,046
Yeah.

444
00:20:43,186 --> 00:20:47,436
Um, do you remember if he
was like an emergency case,

445
00:20:47,446 --> 00:20:49,306
or if he was taken in time?

446
00:20:50,426 --> 00:20:52,196
Um, I said, I just
can't remember.

447
00:20:52,276 --> 00:20:53,506
Um, you know, I
was a child, so.

448
00:20:54,181 --> 00:20:55,501
Basically I went
with the flow.

449
00:20:55,501 --> 00:20:58,421
My parents would know, but
right now is perhaps not the

450
00:20:58,421 --> 00:20:59,801
best time to give them a call.

451
00:21:00,421 --> 00:21:03,721
And, uh, so he said,
well, listen, it probably

452
00:21:03,721 --> 00:21:06,071
was dealt with too late.

453
00:21:06,911 --> 00:21:09,031
And I think you have some
complications due to that.

454
00:21:09,661 --> 00:21:11,711
So you might have to
undergo surgery, but let

455
00:21:11,711 --> 00:21:16,531
me tell you, it's, uh,
quite a complicated one.

456
00:21:17,011 --> 00:21:19,031
But we'll see what we can do.

457
00:21:19,031 --> 00:21:20,501
So I said, can
we avoid surgery?

458
00:21:20,871 --> 00:21:26,256
So, well, we can try, um,
procedures to minimize surgery

459
00:21:26,306 --> 00:21:27,676
and let's give that a go.

460
00:21:27,676 --> 00:21:28,446
You're in good health.

461
00:21:28,446 --> 00:21:29,116
You're in good shape.

462
00:21:29,116 --> 00:21:30,676
So we can give that a go.

463
00:21:31,786 --> 00:21:36,256
Anyway, I'm being moved to
a hospital room and later

464
00:21:36,256 --> 00:21:42,056
that day, um, a surgeon
comes in and he says right

465
00:21:42,056 --> 00:21:45,236
away, Oh, I can take you to
theater right now if you want.

466
00:21:46,631 --> 00:21:48,541
And we, you know,
I can operate you.

467
00:21:49,711 --> 00:21:52,741
And I remember I had a
sensation, like a voice in

468
00:21:52,741 --> 00:21:55,201
my head saying, say, no, say,
no, you can't accept that.

469
00:21:55,781 --> 00:21:56,561
So I'm pushing back.

470
00:21:56,561 --> 00:21:58,061
So I don't want to
have surgery, sir.

471
00:21:58,101 --> 00:22:01,501
You know, it's, I want
to try other non invasive

472
00:22:01,501 --> 00:22:02,431
methods if possible.

473
00:22:03,041 --> 00:22:04,971
And he's really insistent
and pushy, but, you know,

474
00:22:04,981 --> 00:22:05,921
well, I have time now.

475
00:22:05,921 --> 00:22:06,701
I have space now.

476
00:22:06,701 --> 00:22:08,711
So, you know, for me, I
just, it's a couple of

477
00:22:08,711 --> 00:22:10,541
hours, maybe, and we're done.

478
00:22:10,541 --> 00:22:11,131
I said, no, no.

479
00:22:11,781 --> 00:22:14,271
I literally have had a couple
of surgeries in my life.

480
00:22:14,271 --> 00:22:15,061
I know what it's like.

481
00:22:15,061 --> 00:22:16,321
I don't want to
replicate that.

482
00:22:18,031 --> 00:22:20,911
As he left the room, I look
at my wife and I said, I

483
00:22:20,911 --> 00:22:22,831
didn't like the look in
the eyes of that person.

484
00:22:23,101 --> 00:22:24,961
There was an energy or
something I didn't like.

485
00:22:24,961 --> 00:22:28,311
And she said, same, I
just didn't like the vibe.

486
00:22:29,381 --> 00:22:32,331
So I spent the night
in the hospital.

487
00:22:32,461 --> 00:22:35,591
The day after that surgeon
comes back again and still

488
00:22:35,591 --> 00:22:36,811
offers me to go for surgery.

489
00:22:36,811 --> 00:22:39,861
And I still push back and
we try non invasive method.

490
00:22:40,376 --> 00:22:41,196
Nothing changes.

491
00:22:41,836 --> 00:22:44,146
And a couple of days later,
another surgeon comes in.

492
00:22:44,526 --> 00:22:45,796
This time, we really gel.

493
00:22:45,856 --> 00:22:48,016
We've got the same, you
know, view on how we should

494
00:22:48,016 --> 00:22:49,146
conduct things and so on.

495
00:22:49,926 --> 00:22:55,276
So I'm being, I undergo
surgery over there and it's

496
00:22:55,276 --> 00:22:58,921
a It's quite a heavy surgery
because to give you a quick

497
00:22:58,921 --> 00:23:02,921
medical explanation, my,
when my appendix had been

498
00:23:02,921 --> 00:23:07,491
removed, the scar tissue had
not healed properly, perhaps

499
00:23:07,491 --> 00:23:08,631
due to the brain tumor.

500
00:23:08,631 --> 00:23:10,871
Maybe the body was busy
with a lot of different

501
00:23:10,881 --> 00:23:14,171
healing, um, and it created
what we call adhesion

502
00:23:14,201 --> 00:23:15,571
inside the abdominal wall.

503
00:23:16,081 --> 00:23:19,401
And basically what it had
done is it had like over time

504
00:23:20,106 --> 00:23:23,156
stuck my intestine on
my abdomen wall and

505
00:23:23,256 --> 00:23:25,256
because my intestines
could not move freely,

506
00:23:25,676 --> 00:23:27,896
they basically created
a knot on themselves.

507
00:23:28,456 --> 00:23:30,336
And it's one of the
worst situations.

508
00:23:30,346 --> 00:23:33,056
So it's not nice what I'm
about to say, but basically

509
00:23:33,056 --> 00:23:35,206
the surgeon opens you.

510
00:23:36,111 --> 00:23:39,381
Opens your tummy, takes
it out, uh, and ties

511
00:23:39,381 --> 00:23:40,541
it and puts it back in.

512
00:23:41,071 --> 00:23:43,981
Um, and funnily enough, for
a few weeks after surgery,

513
00:23:43,981 --> 00:23:46,511
I could really tell that the
intestines were not in the

514
00:23:46,511 --> 00:23:47,621
positions they were before.

515
00:23:47,881 --> 00:23:48,801
It's a strange feeling.

516
00:23:49,081 --> 00:23:50,641
I don't know how to
explain it any better,

517
00:23:50,691 --> 00:23:51,911
but that's how it was.

518
00:23:52,411 --> 00:23:58,161
Anyway, I leave the hospital,
and I've got this long

519
00:23:58,201 --> 00:24:00,671
road to rehab in front of
me because literally any

520
00:24:00,671 --> 00:24:04,286
abdominal surgery, that's
quite, um, Intensive.

521
00:24:05,086 --> 00:24:08,306
I could, I couldn't lift
like a kettle or a cup

522
00:24:08,306 --> 00:24:09,506
without feeling the pain.

523
00:24:09,916 --> 00:24:11,186
I couldn't close the curtains.

524
00:24:11,186 --> 00:24:12,806
I mean, there were many
things I couldn't do in the

525
00:24:12,816 --> 00:24:14,146
first few days after surgery.

526
00:24:14,146 --> 00:24:17,576
So I was sleeping a lot and
healing also emotionally

527
00:24:17,576 --> 00:24:20,136
and psychologically from
what has just happened.

528
00:24:20,156 --> 00:24:23,041
And it took me a few
months to understand.

529
00:24:23,041 --> 00:24:26,481
I was going on the whole
this, all this time.

530
00:24:26,481 --> 00:24:26,751
Sorry.

531
00:24:27,131 --> 00:24:32,621
I was always thinking, well,
there's, I just knew that

532
00:24:32,621 --> 00:24:34,851
nothing could happen to
me when I was in hospital

533
00:24:35,021 --> 00:24:37,951
as if because I had said
no to dying, although I

534
00:24:37,951 --> 00:24:39,271
did not remember it fully.

535
00:24:39,821 --> 00:24:42,411
I knew that I would sail
through the operation

536
00:24:42,411 --> 00:24:47,551
and the surgery and the
rehab, um, the, the rehab

537
00:24:47,551 --> 00:24:48,651
went absolutely fine.

538
00:24:48,651 --> 00:24:53,236
I recovered a bit faster
than what is normal.

539
00:24:53,616 --> 00:24:55,866
But what I learned a few
months after surgery, when

540
00:24:55,866 --> 00:24:59,986
I met with my surgeon again,
was the morbidity rate for

541
00:24:59,986 --> 00:25:01,936
that type of surgery is 40%.

542
00:25:02,016 --> 00:25:05,176
So it's two in five people
don't make it through.

543
00:25:05,996 --> 00:25:07,746
And he explained to me
at the time that because

544
00:25:07,746 --> 00:25:11,166
I was young and fit, he
wanted He wanted to do

545
00:25:11,166 --> 00:25:12,836
more, uh, but he did not.

546
00:25:12,876 --> 00:25:15,266
He said I just literally
did the bare minimum

547
00:25:15,266 --> 00:25:18,176
to get you back on your
feet, on the basis that

548
00:25:18,966 --> 00:25:21,346
I could tell you were in
very good physical shape.

549
00:25:21,356 --> 00:25:23,596
So I knew you would
recover quite quickly.

550
00:25:24,376 --> 00:25:26,906
So the road to recovery
is about 18 months.

551
00:25:27,316 --> 00:25:29,746
Uh, the first six months you
recover about 80 percent and

552
00:25:29,746 --> 00:25:32,346
then it's like 10 percent the
next six months and 10 percent

553
00:25:32,346 --> 00:25:33,216
the following six again.

554
00:25:33,836 --> 00:25:37,086
So what really changed
after the surgery, once

555
00:25:37,086 --> 00:25:37,896
I got a bit more fit.

556
00:25:38,476 --> 00:25:42,086
Better physical health and
energy was, for some reason, I

557
00:25:42,176 --> 00:25:45,846
really started to push myself
to doing more, within, you

558
00:25:45,846 --> 00:25:48,916
know, my physical capabilities
at the time, of course, but

559
00:25:49,026 --> 00:25:51,166
I was like, Oh, I need, I
need to enjoy life more.

560
00:25:52,326 --> 00:25:54,686
So I need to change
job because I'm not

561
00:25:54,696 --> 00:25:55,446
happy in my job.

562
00:25:55,966 --> 00:25:56,916
And would you have it?

563
00:25:58,106 --> 00:26:01,046
A job opportunity just came,
which was absolutely perfect

564
00:26:01,046 --> 00:26:04,126
for me, required a bit more
training, but I did that

565
00:26:04,706 --> 00:26:08,956
and I finished my classes on
osteopathy,  remotely most

566
00:26:08,956 --> 00:26:10,766
of the time and I passed it.

567
00:26:11,696 --> 00:26:13,526
And so I was just
like, wow, options are

568
00:26:13,536 --> 00:26:14,506
opening again for me.

569
00:26:15,166 --> 00:26:18,836
2018, I would always tell to
people, for me, was actually a

570
00:26:18,866 --> 00:26:22,716
great year, because aside from
January, February, which were,

571
00:26:22,716 --> 00:26:25,146
you know, not really good
month, the rest of the year,

572
00:26:25,366 --> 00:26:28,466
it seemed like all the doors
were opening again, as if I

573
00:26:28,466 --> 00:26:31,736
was back into a state of flow.

574
00:26:32,536 --> 00:26:36,396
However, my fear of
death was still present.

575
00:26:36,796 --> 00:26:39,466
Deep down, I was fearing
that the episode I just

576
00:26:39,466 --> 00:26:42,656
had could happen again,
or something similar.

577
00:26:43,446 --> 00:26:45,936
So for a few months,
I was a bit wary.

578
00:26:45,946 --> 00:26:47,916
Every time I was leaving
the house, I was like, wow,

579
00:26:47,916 --> 00:26:49,226
what if I'm going too far?

580
00:26:49,666 --> 00:26:51,336
Even though I was pushing
myself, I was like, you

581
00:26:51,336 --> 00:26:53,436
know, I'm, I'm on that
train, I'm four hours away

582
00:26:53,436 --> 00:26:55,156
from my house, from my home.

583
00:26:55,536 --> 00:26:57,426
What if I've got like a
health incident right now

584
00:26:57,426 --> 00:27:00,306
in the middle of the train,
you know, um, those thoughts

585
00:27:00,306 --> 00:27:01,476
would be there constantly.

586
00:27:02,616 --> 00:27:03,876
And it did really change.

587
00:27:05,071 --> 00:27:08,491
When a few months after the
surgery, out of the blue,

588
00:27:08,921 --> 00:27:14,161
my mother sent me an article
about a surgeon who was

589
00:27:14,161 --> 00:27:16,801
fascinated by near death
experiences and who had

590
00:27:16,801 --> 00:27:20,881
partnered with a
hypnotherapist to try to

591
00:27:20,881 --> 00:27:23,621
understand what was happening
and he had developed a

592
00:27:23,631 --> 00:27:29,221
protocol to put people in a
specific state of hypnosis

593
00:27:29,241 --> 00:27:32,141
that would or could, according
to him, be quite close to

594
00:27:32,141 --> 00:27:35,721
experiencing an NDE with
none of the physical ailment

595
00:27:35,721 --> 00:27:38,351
or the dangerous situation
that goes with the NDE.

596
00:27:38,391 --> 00:27:41,961
Because very often I don't
recommend anyone to have

597
00:27:41,961 --> 00:27:43,071
a near death experience.

598
00:27:43,141 --> 00:27:46,366
It means that you're about to
die and there could be dire

599
00:27:46,366 --> 00:27:49,756
consequences as well on you
physically or emotionally.

600
00:27:50,356 --> 00:27:56,536
Um, so as I read that article,
the memory of the NDE I

601
00:27:56,556 --> 00:28:00,416
experienced in January 2018
floods back to my memory.

602
00:28:01,566 --> 00:28:05,806
And at first I'm thinking,
I just had hallucinated

603
00:28:05,806 --> 00:28:08,476
all this because of the
medical gases I was inhaling.

604
00:28:08,486 --> 00:28:09,196
I was tired.

605
00:28:09,196 --> 00:28:12,566
I was under a lot of
physical pain at the time.

606
00:28:12,566 --> 00:28:15,606
So it was just a
hallucination, but reading

607
00:28:15,676 --> 00:28:18,266
what the writer of the
article went through,

608
00:28:18,796 --> 00:28:21,466
seeing the a white light,
meeting with beings on

609
00:28:21,466 --> 00:28:22,606
the other side and so on.

610
00:28:23,396 --> 00:28:25,286
I was just reminded of
what had happened to me.

611
00:28:26,216 --> 00:28:29,396
Still having a bit of a
scientific mind I was like,

612
00:28:29,396 --> 00:28:30,986
maybe it's just hallucination.

613
00:28:31,606 --> 00:28:37,016
So that evening I go to my, to
my wife and I said to her, you

614
00:28:37,016 --> 00:28:39,656
know, on the Sunday morning
when we had a paramedic in

615
00:28:39,656 --> 00:28:42,886
the house before I was rushed
to hospital, do you remember

616
00:28:42,886 --> 00:28:44,716
anything strange happening?

617
00:28:46,416 --> 00:28:48,896
And her face
literally goes white.

618
00:28:50,236 --> 00:28:54,876
She says to me, um, I've
never mentioned it to

619
00:28:54,876 --> 00:28:59,086
you, but on that day I
thought you were dead.

620
00:29:00,366 --> 00:29:01,626
So I reply, how so?

621
00:29:02,626 --> 00:29:05,886
And she proceeds to tell
me that as I was laying on

622
00:29:05,886 --> 00:29:08,376
the sofa and the paramedic
was turning his back to me,

623
00:29:08,386 --> 00:29:11,946
taking notes, I was using
the mask and all of a sudden

624
00:29:11,956 --> 00:29:15,146
she saw my hand drop and my
body completely collapsed.

625
00:29:15,176 --> 00:29:18,006
And she said, your, your eyes
were completely lifeless.

626
00:29:18,046 --> 00:29:21,661
That's why I kneeled down
and I touched your shoulder

627
00:29:21,761 --> 00:29:23,281
and you were not reacting.

628
00:29:23,861 --> 00:29:26,531
And it took you a couple of
seconds to just like, sort

629
00:29:26,531 --> 00:29:29,991
of like have kind of almost
like a body shake and come

630
00:29:30,001 --> 00:29:31,671
back and you're almost jolted.

631
00:29:32,261 --> 00:29:35,701
And you looked at me very
confused and I thought

632
00:29:35,741 --> 00:29:37,941
like, well, you are just
temporarily passed out, but

633
00:29:37,941 --> 00:29:42,291
I had no idea that you had
this whole experience on the

634
00:29:42,291 --> 00:29:44,981
other side because you never
mentioned it, um, before.

635
00:29:45,571 --> 00:29:50,141
So the two stories
corroborated and so

636
00:29:50,141 --> 00:29:52,131
essentially we could say,
well, you're like my witness

637
00:29:52,131 --> 00:29:53,341
for what I've just lived.

638
00:29:54,151 --> 00:29:59,361
And from there on started
a very long journey of a,

639
00:29:59,421 --> 00:30:02,511
being a lot more comfortable
with death because that

640
00:30:02,531 --> 00:30:04,911
was alleviating the fear
of death almost instantly.

641
00:30:05,251 --> 00:30:08,111
Hey Life continues after
death or our consciousness

642
00:30:08,131 --> 00:30:09,181
continues after death.

643
00:30:09,651 --> 00:30:10,531
That is brilliant.

644
00:30:13,001 --> 00:30:14,531
That's such a
relief, actually.

645
00:30:14,851 --> 00:30:17,021
Now I'm free to live my
life the way I want to.

646
00:30:17,711 --> 00:30:22,261
And then I started yet to do
a lot of research, um, onto

647
00:30:22,311 --> 00:30:23,621
indeed near death experiences.

648
00:30:24,366 --> 00:30:27,176
learning that it happens
to roughly 2 percent of

649
00:30:27,176 --> 00:30:28,106
the world population.

650
00:30:28,626 --> 00:30:30,886
Um, and I even did a bit of
research yesterday about it,

651
00:30:30,886 --> 00:30:32,536
and now it seems like it's 5%.

652
00:30:32,536 --> 00:30:34,366
So that number seems
to be going higher.

653
00:30:34,366 --> 00:30:37,536
So perhaps a lot more
people are willing to share

654
00:30:37,536 --> 00:30:38,516
their experience as well.

655
00:30:39,346 --> 00:30:40,336
And then we

656
00:30:40,386 --> 00:30:43,916
reconnecting with, well,
the nature of reality as we

657
00:30:43,916 --> 00:30:48,896
live it and the possibility
that, you know, we have

658
00:30:48,896 --> 00:30:52,991
free will, we are spirits
that do come here for an

659
00:30:52,991 --> 00:30:54,411
experience in human form.

660
00:30:54,861 --> 00:31:01,891
Um we also have the
possibility to life the

661
00:31:01,891 --> 00:31:03,491
way we really desire to.

662
00:31:03,561 --> 00:31:08,311
And from there on, it seems
to, for me, um, life has

663
00:31:08,881 --> 00:31:10,891
been better and better
and better through that

664
00:31:10,891 --> 00:31:13,661
understanding that actually
there's nothing to fear.

665
00:31:13,661 --> 00:31:19,991
Death is just a, a continuity
or a passage to all true

666
00:31:19,991 --> 00:31:22,991
nature and potentially the
nature we You know, we were

667
00:31:22,991 --> 00:31:24,291
in before being humans.

668
00:31:25,261 --> 00:31:28,271
And for a short while, I
would also say that, yeah,

669
00:31:29,621 --> 00:31:33,281
I would argue that you might
still go through a disease,

670
00:31:33,321 --> 00:31:35,211
an illness, an accident.

671
00:31:35,211 --> 00:31:37,391
So death could still be
a painful process in some

672
00:31:37,391 --> 00:31:42,511
instances, but deep down,
with knowing that on the

673
00:31:42,511 --> 00:31:45,111
other side, what awaits
is your true nature.

674
00:31:45,681 --> 00:31:47,521
So whilst we're
there as humans.

675
00:31:48,236 --> 00:31:51,366
I might as well make out the
most of the experience for

676
00:31:51,366 --> 00:31:52,826
myself and for everybody else.

677
00:31:53,346 --> 00:31:56,086
So I reconnected with a
lot of principles and I'm

678
00:31:56,086 --> 00:31:58,336
not going to start opening
about them because we could

679
00:31:58,336 --> 00:32:01,376
talk at length about all
those different principles.

680
00:32:01,376 --> 00:32:06,251
But one thing I would add
though, Is a lot of people

681
00:32:06,351 --> 00:32:10,311
on interviews, um, I've heard
a lot of people who have

682
00:32:10,421 --> 00:32:15,431
NDEs come back with a sort
of a gift or something that

683
00:32:15,431 --> 00:32:18,501
they did not have before
or a change in the life.

684
00:32:18,531 --> 00:32:21,941
For me, I didn't think I
come with back with much

685
00:32:21,941 --> 00:32:26,021
of a gift, but certainly
a deeper understanding and

686
00:32:26,071 --> 00:32:30,291
the willingness to share
that story because when I

687
00:32:30,291 --> 00:32:34,296
was younger, there were a
few things that I knew would

688
00:32:34,306 --> 00:32:38,766
happen in my life, and one
of them being, this would

689
00:32:38,766 --> 00:32:40,466
happen around my teenage
years, one of them being

690
00:32:40,486 --> 00:32:42,516
you need to go live in an
English speaking country.

691
00:32:43,046 --> 00:32:45,616
I didn't know why, but
there was this strong

692
00:32:45,616 --> 00:32:47,666
desire to go live in an
English speaking country.

693
00:32:48,166 --> 00:32:50,521
I happened to have a
professional opportunity

694
00:32:50,521 --> 00:32:52,916
to move to the UK when I
was young, which I did,

695
00:32:53,646 --> 00:32:58,886
um, and I reconnected to
more stories like that.

696
00:32:58,906 --> 00:33:01,316
And one of the ways I
reconnected to one of these

697
00:33:01,376 --> 00:33:05,516
childhood memories, desires,
and knowingness was through

698
00:33:05,516 --> 00:33:06,756
doing hypnosis sessions.

699
00:33:07,346 --> 00:33:09,576
And during one of those,
one of these hypnosis

700
00:33:09,596 --> 00:33:14,801
sessions, I met, um, sort
of a spirit guide, if you

701
00:33:14,801 --> 00:33:17,251
like, and that spirit guide
said, well, remember when

702
00:33:17,251 --> 00:33:21,001
you were a teenager, you had
that knowingness that one

703
00:33:21,001 --> 00:33:24,061
day you would be writing a
book and you always thought

704
00:33:24,091 --> 00:33:26,361
that this book would be
inspired by experiences

705
00:33:26,371 --> 00:33:27,171
from your own life.

706
00:33:27,791 --> 00:33:29,081
And I remember saying yes.

707
00:33:30,781 --> 00:33:32,611
But I thought that this
would happen when I'm much

708
00:33:32,611 --> 00:33:34,771
older, like in my sixties,
because I've lived a lot.

709
00:33:34,771 --> 00:33:36,471
And this is when I
can tell about life.

710
00:33:37,231 --> 00:33:38,671
That being said,
don't wait for it.

711
00:33:38,981 --> 00:33:39,731
Write it now.

712
00:33:40,341 --> 00:33:42,151
And it was like, okay,
but where do I find the

713
00:33:42,151 --> 00:33:46,141
time having a full time
day job to write a book?

714
00:33:46,141 --> 00:33:49,211
And also I need, you know,
not to do too much, not

715
00:33:49,251 --> 00:33:50,551
to burn myself out again.

716
00:33:51,281 --> 00:33:53,091
And the being said, don't
worry, you know, just

717
00:33:53,161 --> 00:33:54,001
do what you have to do.

718
00:33:54,651 --> 00:33:58,616
And just like that, to
tell you that quick story.

719
00:33:59,466 --> 00:34:03,696
Um, a few months later,
I, through my new job,

720
00:34:03,696 --> 00:34:06,866
which was now more
oriented towards, legal

721
00:34:07,856 --> 00:34:09,156
advice, advice, and so on.

722
00:34:09,676 --> 00:34:12,476
I did some qualifications
and I went to my

723
00:34:12,476 --> 00:34:13,976
employer at the time.

724
00:34:13,976 --> 00:34:17,886
And I said, um, now that I
have these new qualifications,

725
00:34:18,056 --> 00:34:18,816
I should be paid more.

726
00:34:19,246 --> 00:34:21,276
And literally there's
quite a big salary gap.

727
00:34:21,776 --> 00:34:24,116
But I'm proposing
you one way to do it.

728
00:34:24,546 --> 00:34:28,416
So would you mind keeping
me on the same salary, but

729
00:34:28,466 --> 00:34:32,346
I'm working one less day a
week, and I will use that

730
00:34:32,356 --> 00:34:34,816
one day to write that book.

731
00:34:35,866 --> 00:34:38,126
And it was a bit of a bold
statement to make because it

732
00:34:38,126 --> 00:34:39,226
could go one way or another.

733
00:34:39,266 --> 00:34:41,796
Worst case scenario, it
was no, and that's fine.

734
00:34:42,296 --> 00:34:44,676
Uh, but it was,
yes, absolutely.

735
00:34:44,776 --> 00:34:46,856
Well, a bit of negotiation
on the salary side, of

736
00:34:46,856 --> 00:34:50,856
course, but essentially I
got one day free a week.

737
00:34:50,866 --> 00:34:55,636
So, and I started to write
This very novel that, um,

738
00:34:56,186 --> 00:34:58,926
go here, which I've titled
The Man Who Kept Dying.

739
00:34:59,596 --> 00:35:01,236
Vincent Olivier is a pen name.

740
00:35:01,236 --> 00:35:02,826
Vincent is my real first name.

741
00:35:02,826 --> 00:35:05,046
Olivier is just a name
of my great grandfather.

742
00:35:05,726 --> 00:35:10,296
And this novel was just
my way of putting into

743
00:35:10,746 --> 00:35:15,186
a story everything that
I'd reconnected to.

744
00:35:15,626 --> 00:35:19,226
In terms of my understanding
of the spiritual world, the

745
00:35:19,226 --> 00:35:21,926
spiritual concepts that we
can apply here as humans,

746
00:35:22,366 --> 00:35:25,116
as well as integrating as
part of the stories, some

747
00:35:25,116 --> 00:35:26,776
of the events that have
taken place in my life.

748
00:35:26,776 --> 00:35:28,986
So the car accident I've
mentioned to you when

749
00:35:28,986 --> 00:35:31,136
I was 17, it's a whole
chapter in the book.

750
00:35:31,656 --> 00:35:34,016
I've got chapters about
lucid dreams, which have

751
00:35:34,016 --> 00:35:34,906
happened to me a lot.

752
00:35:35,476 --> 00:35:38,361
Chapters with encounters
with snakes and so on.

753
00:35:38,361 --> 00:35:41,651
So it's a mix of story, but
it, it is really inspired from

754
00:35:41,651 --> 00:35:42,881
my life at the end of the day.

755
00:35:43,331 --> 00:35:45,551
And so I published
it earlier this year.

756
00:35:45,691 --> 00:35:49,321
And so maybe I managed
to bring that idea that I

757
00:35:49,321 --> 00:35:51,231
would publish a book when
I would be in my sixties,

758
00:35:51,261 --> 00:35:53,131
but like two decades earlier.

759
00:35:55,651 --> 00:35:56,691
So this is it.

760
00:35:57,721 --> 00:36:00,871
Rod: Okay, thanks for
sharing that story, Vincent.

761
00:36:00,971 --> 00:36:04,111
So I've got a couple of
questions for you, um, just

762
00:36:04,131 --> 00:36:05,151
while you're in the void,

763
00:36:05,151 --> 00:36:08,291
so this is a very common theme
that I hear in NDEs, the void

764
00:36:09,061 --> 00:36:11,171
and the pinprick of light.

765
00:36:11,386 --> 00:36:12,776
That you, that you go towards.

766
00:36:12,836 --> 00:36:15,916
So before you saw that light,
was there any, did you have

767
00:36:15,926 --> 00:36:20,046
any other sort of sense
like, could you see anything?

768
00:36:20,056 --> 00:36:22,856
Was there any, could
you hear anything?

769
00:36:22,886 --> 00:36:23,776
Could you feel anything?

770
00:36:23,776 --> 00:36:24,716
Was there a temperature?

771
00:36:24,736 --> 00:36:27,626
Was there any, any sort
of sensory input at all?

772
00:36:29,071 --> 00:36:31,781
Vincent: So it feels
like there was no sensory

773
00:36:31,781 --> 00:36:33,271
input or nothing at all.

774
00:36:33,341 --> 00:36:36,721
As I said, I had no
thinking process at the

775
00:36:36,731 --> 00:36:38,481
time for a short while.

776
00:36:38,501 --> 00:36:43,861
There was just me and my
presence, if you like, and

777
00:36:44,601 --> 00:36:48,221
the, I was thinking nothing,
I was feeling nothing.

778
00:36:48,621 --> 00:36:52,021
However, I could say there
was just one sensation and

779
00:36:52,021 --> 00:36:57,081
it's a sensation of warmth,
literally, like being really

780
00:36:57,351 --> 00:37:03,081
cuddled by a very warm
energy and nothing else that,

781
00:37:03,281 --> 00:37:04,801
than that, at least for me.

782
00:37:05,651 --> 00:37:06,061
And.

783
00:37:06,381 --> 00:37:09,751
Yeah, that didn't
last very long for me.

784
00:37:09,751 --> 00:37:12,591
I know that there are people,
there are people who have

785
00:37:12,591 --> 00:37:15,611
like grand NDE's, mine
was very short in a way.

786
00:37:16,011 --> 00:37:17,391
I guess it could
have been a lot more.

787
00:37:17,971 --> 00:37:19,561
That's what I'm trying
to explore in the novel.

788
00:37:19,581 --> 00:37:21,351
What if I had gone
and met with a being?

789
00:37:21,831 --> 00:37:23,781
What would they have
taught me or told me?

790
00:37:24,681 --> 00:37:26,551
But no, to answer your
question, just that

791
00:37:26,561 --> 00:37:30,071
warm sensation of being
enveloped in that.

792
00:37:30,151 --> 00:37:31,801
A lot of people mentioned
like, you know, a

793
00:37:31,801 --> 00:37:33,041
strong sense of love.

794
00:37:33,581 --> 00:37:35,361
I didn't feel it particularly.

795
00:37:37,386 --> 00:37:40,036
Imagine the vibration
of her being very jerky.

796
00:37:40,036 --> 00:37:43,596
It was just like flat,
calm, absolute calmness.

797
00:37:43,636 --> 00:37:44,836
Yeah, very zen.

798
00:37:46,516 --> 00:37:48,496
Rod: And the four beings,
I think you mentioned

799
00:37:48,586 --> 00:37:50,326
they were faceless, so
you didn't have any faces.

800
00:37:50,346 --> 00:37:51,726
Were they short, tall?

801
00:37:52,861 --> 00:37:53,381
Anything more

802
00:37:53,496 --> 00:37:57,006
Vincent: Different sizes,
different sizes and shapes.

803
00:37:57,916 --> 00:38:00,686
I could say I had
the sensation that

804
00:38:01,136 --> 00:38:02,416
one of them was...

805
00:38:02,906 --> 00:38:06,316
Someone deceased in my
family, uh, although I said,

806
00:38:06,356 --> 00:38:09,986
you know, that I felt they
were not from this lifetime,

807
00:38:09,986 --> 00:38:12,016
but I had a sensation that
there was one that definitely

808
00:38:12,216 --> 00:38:13,246
we had a family bond.

809
00:38:13,246 --> 00:38:15,296
So perhaps from another
lifetime, I'm not sure.

810
00:38:15,706 --> 00:38:17,176
A feminine presence for sure.

811
00:38:17,956 --> 00:38:21,476
Uh, one was shorter,
more feminine presence.

812
00:38:21,526 --> 00:38:22,986
The other three
were quite tall.

813
00:38:23,996 --> 00:38:25,536
And I could not really
tell if they were more

814
00:38:25,546 --> 00:38:26,666
masculine or feminine.

815
00:38:27,296 --> 00:38:27,736
Um, yeah.

816
00:38:30,626 --> 00:38:33,666
I don't think all of them felt
human in their appearance.

817
00:38:35,206 --> 00:38:37,156
again, the memory is
quite fuzzy, but I could

818
00:38:37,156 --> 00:38:40,276
remember on the right side
was, yeah, someone was

819
00:38:40,286 --> 00:38:42,116
smaller, feminine energy.

820
00:38:42,546 --> 00:38:45,366
The other three were more,
perhaps maybe a bit more

821
00:38:45,366 --> 00:38:48,026
masculine, but taller,
more elongated limbs.

822
00:38:48,796 --> 00:38:52,071
But the one on the
far left to my vision.

823
00:38:52,641 --> 00:38:55,341
I just cannot remember
exactly this one.

824
00:38:55,341 --> 00:39:00,171
I didn't feel as much,
but perhaps that presence

825
00:39:00,171 --> 00:39:01,771
was standing a bit
more in the background.

826
00:39:01,771 --> 00:39:04,781
I'm not certain, but
yeah, that it's a really

827
00:39:04,781 --> 00:39:06,121
strange sensation.

828
00:39:06,171 --> 00:39:09,891
I would liken it to, if
someone were to knock on your

829
00:39:09,941 --> 00:39:12,871
door and you open the door
and you physically, you never

830
00:39:12,871 --> 00:39:15,531
seen the person, but you know,
you've seen them before and

831
00:39:15,531 --> 00:39:16,591
you've known them from before.

832
00:39:16,591 --> 00:39:17,931
And you're like, Oh, we
have that connection.

833
00:39:17,941 --> 00:39:18,341
Don't we?

834
00:39:18,441 --> 00:39:19,051
Oh, yes, we do.

835
00:39:19,521 --> 00:39:22,091
Um, it's, it's strange thing.

836
00:39:22,221 --> 00:39:23,011
Absolutely.

837
00:39:23,851 --> 00:39:25,121
Rod: Tell us about your
lucid dreams, because I've

838
00:39:25,121 --> 00:39:28,621
had a  few of those, and
how do you, is it something

839
00:39:28,621 --> 00:39:31,501
that you deliberately
tried to have occur, or

840
00:39:31,501 --> 00:39:32,591
did it occur naturally?

841
00:39:32,801 --> 00:39:33,341
What happened there?

842
00:39:34,401 --> 00:39:35,631
Vincent: Um, I don't know of.

843
00:39:36,046 --> 00:39:37,716
You got into lucid dreams.

844
00:39:37,716 --> 00:39:39,636
Did you try a method or
something when you were

845
00:39:39,636 --> 00:39:42,096
younger or was it just
because for me, I had to

846
00:39:42,096 --> 00:39:44,846
try a method in my teenage
years and then they keep

847
00:39:44,846 --> 00:39:46,286
happening spontaneously.

848
00:39:46,306 --> 00:39:48,756
And I'm not really
controlling when they happen.

849
00:39:49,731 --> 00:39:52,181
Rod: Yeah, it's kind of
a bit of both, so I...

850
00:39:52,376 --> 00:39:54,886
Was reading somewhere
that, um, to, to get,

851
00:39:54,936 --> 00:39:55,916
to getting focus.

852
00:39:56,306 --> 00:39:57,656
The first step is
realizing that you're

853
00:39:57,656 --> 00:39:59,626
in a dream, which hadn't
happened for a long time.

854
00:39:59,626 --> 00:40:01,216
And then I had a few times
where I was like, Oh,

855
00:40:01,216 --> 00:40:02,006
I'm actually dreaming.

856
00:40:02,276 --> 00:40:05,326
And then at that point, then
focusing on either my hands

857
00:40:05,336 --> 00:40:07,636
or the ground, bringing
something into focus.

858
00:40:07,636 --> 00:40:11,256
And then that sort of
then caused my, you know,

859
00:40:11,336 --> 00:40:14,256
consciousness to come
fully, fully conscious

860
00:40:14,266 --> 00:40:14,976
during the dream.

861
00:40:15,006 --> 00:40:16,346
So the lucid dream
then started.

862
00:40:16,653 --> 00:40:20,143
Vincent: I followed a
similar method because I

863
00:40:20,143 --> 00:40:21,523
was, yeah, I don't know.

864
00:40:21,523 --> 00:40:23,073
I was 13, 14 years old.

865
00:40:23,073 --> 00:40:24,953
And with some of my
friends, we had that

866
00:40:24,953 --> 00:40:27,053
conversation, the discussions
about lucid dreams.

867
00:40:27,693 --> 00:40:29,603
And one of my friends said,
Oh, I'd love to do that.

868
00:40:29,973 --> 00:40:31,573
Apparently you have
to really think.

869
00:40:32,543 --> 00:40:35,803
In the evening before you
go to bed, um, I want to

870
00:40:35,833 --> 00:40:37,793
have a lucid dream just
before you fall asleep.

871
00:40:37,793 --> 00:40:38,883
I want to have a lucid dream.

872
00:40:38,883 --> 00:40:40,253
I'm going to take
control of the dream.

873
00:40:40,923 --> 00:40:42,293
And for me, it
happened quite quickly.

874
00:40:42,303 --> 00:40:45,883
Literally, I did that
for three nights.

875
00:40:45,883 --> 00:40:48,003
And on the third
night, I managed to

876
00:40:48,003 --> 00:40:48,943
get into a lucid dream.

877
00:40:48,943 --> 00:40:53,888
And I remember Um, the
settings were, oh, the

878
00:40:53,898 --> 00:40:55,948
background was a bit
ludicrous because it was on

879
00:40:55,948 --> 00:40:59,058
a military ship and I was
like, almost like a secret

880
00:40:59,088 --> 00:41:02,098
agent trying to navigate my
way through the stairs without

881
00:41:02,098 --> 00:41:05,008
being, uh, seen or noticed.

882
00:41:05,538 --> 00:41:10,518
And, at one moment I realized
that I'm in that dream and

883
00:41:10,518 --> 00:41:13,298
I'm dreaming just exactly
as you've just highlighted.

884
00:41:14,658 --> 00:41:16,998
That's the moment where I
say actually I don't like

885
00:41:17,008 --> 00:41:19,798
being on that ship and
first thing I would like to

886
00:41:19,798 --> 00:41:21,828
remove all the people on the
ship because I want to make

887
00:41:21,828 --> 00:41:23,908
sure you know I'm not being
chased by anyone and all of

888
00:41:23,908 --> 00:41:26,348
a sudden it feels very quiet
as if there's no one around.

889
00:41:26,348 --> 00:41:29,068
So I'm walking around and
then I said I want to change

890
00:41:29,088 --> 00:41:31,468
the environment I want to
be on a nice sunny beach

891
00:41:32,218 --> 00:41:36,623
and boom I find myself on
a nice sunny beach and And

892
00:41:36,623 --> 00:41:38,993
then I realized that, wow,
that's really nice to be able

893
00:41:38,993 --> 00:41:40,103
to change the environment.

894
00:41:40,103 --> 00:41:42,273
And I think I got a bit too
excited during the dream

895
00:41:42,273 --> 00:41:44,443
about the potentials that
I could do that I woke up.

896
00:41:45,853 --> 00:41:48,583
And then I tried again
every evening for two weeks

897
00:41:48,583 --> 00:41:50,613
and nothing would happen
until it happened again.

898
00:41:51,103 --> 00:41:54,668
And then I've stopped doing
it, but they could happen.

899
00:41:54,778 --> 00:41:57,678
Sometimes I realized that
I'm dreaming and I realized

900
00:41:57,678 --> 00:41:58,618
that I am in a dream.

901
00:41:59,098 --> 00:42:02,538
Um, and yeah, in a, in the
novel, there's one entire

902
00:42:02,588 --> 00:42:05,588
chapter, which is called a
lucid dream, because it's

903
00:42:05,588 --> 00:42:10,108
a dream where for the first
time in one of my dreams, I

904
00:42:10,108 --> 00:42:13,888
saw myself as not Vincent and
my physical self there, there

905
00:42:13,888 --> 00:42:18,218
was a mirror in an elevator
and I saw myself as an alien.

906
00:42:19,198 --> 00:42:20,768
And I looked nothing
like I look right now.

907
00:42:20,768 --> 00:42:23,868
So basically I was Very bulky,

908
00:42:24,308 --> 00:42:27,728
I have completely different
clothes and I was that

909
00:42:27,818 --> 00:42:32,698
green alien with very
square face, um, tiny ears,

910
00:42:32,698 --> 00:42:34,808
tiny nostrils, very large.

911
00:42:35,418 --> 00:42:36,818
Uh, white eyes.

912
00:42:37,268 --> 00:42:41,348
And I remember like completely
shaking and thinking, almost

913
00:42:41,348 --> 00:42:42,948
panicking at the vision
thinking that's not me.

914
00:42:42,948 --> 00:42:43,468
That's not me.

915
00:42:43,628 --> 00:42:45,518
How could, how can I
see myself like that?

916
00:42:45,538 --> 00:42:48,588
And of course the mirror was
reflecting, um, or mirroring

917
00:42:48,638 --> 00:42:49,698
every one of my movements.

918
00:42:49,708 --> 00:42:52,158
So it'd be like moving my
hands and seeing the exact

919
00:42:52,158 --> 00:42:53,868
same thing in a mirror,
except he was not me.

920
00:42:54,538 --> 00:42:58,098
I remember at that moment,
my breathing becoming a

921
00:42:58,098 --> 00:42:59,348
bit more, accelerated.

922
00:43:00,608 --> 00:43:04,658
And thinking, I'm going to
wake up and focusing back

923
00:43:04,658 --> 00:43:06,318
on the dream and saying,
don't wake up, don't

924
00:43:06,318 --> 00:43:07,468
wake up, don't wake up.

925
00:43:07,468 --> 00:43:08,088
Calm down.

926
00:43:08,628 --> 00:43:10,968
And then I calmed
down and I get closer.

927
00:43:11,008 --> 00:43:12,398
I step closer to the mirror.

928
00:43:12,678 --> 00:43:14,338
And then I really
check myself like, oh,

929
00:43:14,338 --> 00:43:15,328
wow, that's fantastic.

930
00:43:15,808 --> 00:43:17,218
Uh, and so.

931
00:43:17,778 --> 00:43:21,308
I've had plenty of lucid
dreams ever since, um, that,

932
00:43:21,318 --> 00:43:22,548
that those teenage years.

933
00:43:23,218 --> 00:43:26,048
It's quite fascinating
when you get to do this.

934
00:43:26,828 --> 00:43:30,228
And also I personally
receive a lot of information

935
00:43:30,228 --> 00:43:31,078
through my dreams.

936
00:43:31,498 --> 00:43:34,608
So sometimes I'm
sitting in a room.

937
00:43:35,668 --> 00:43:39,868
With other beings, I
can never remember their

938
00:43:39,868 --> 00:43:42,808
face, but they, it's like
there's a drawing board.

939
00:43:42,808 --> 00:43:45,728
And very often they're showing
me a lot of different things.

940
00:43:46,258 --> 00:43:49,878
And I remember at one
point early in my spiritual

941
00:43:50,198 --> 00:43:53,908
rediscovery or journey of
rediscovery, um, there were

942
00:43:53,938 --> 00:43:56,238
all these mentions of the
new earth, if you know,

943
00:43:56,238 --> 00:43:58,568
we're shifting dimension,
we're getting to higher

944
00:43:58,568 --> 00:43:59,638
frequency, this and that.

945
00:44:00,688 --> 00:44:02,058
And I remember asking.

946
00:44:02,293 --> 00:44:05,273
Before going to sleep,
you know, what's all

947
00:44:05,273 --> 00:44:05,993
about the new earth.

948
00:44:06,023 --> 00:44:10,963
And then I'm sitting at
that table with presence

949
00:44:10,963 --> 00:44:12,313
or that spirit next to me.

950
00:44:13,563 --> 00:44:16,503
And he or she explained to
me what it was all about and

951
00:44:16,903 --> 00:44:20,763
started to show me drawings
on the table and the drawings

952
00:44:21,413 --> 00:44:22,863
are sort of illuminated.

953
00:44:23,213 --> 00:44:24,203
So they are live.

954
00:44:24,393 --> 00:44:27,018
It's not like a simple
sheet of paper where you

955
00:44:27,018 --> 00:44:29,148
see drawings just like
everything's alive and

956
00:44:29,148 --> 00:44:31,798
animated and explaining
to me that essentially,

957
00:44:31,798 --> 00:44:33,788
yeah, there will be a
shift of consciousness.

958
00:44:34,298 --> 00:44:36,788
The plan is that, you know,
some people will not want

959
00:44:36,798 --> 00:44:38,308
to go through that shift.

960
00:44:38,308 --> 00:44:40,728
So we remain in, you
know, their frequency.

961
00:44:41,388 --> 00:44:44,678
Uh, other people will move
to a higher frequency, but

962
00:44:44,688 --> 00:44:45,868
it will be very seamless.

963
00:44:45,888 --> 00:44:48,728
People won't really notice
in which frequency they are.

964
00:44:48,728 --> 00:44:50,728
You just notice that
things around you do change

965
00:44:51,478 --> 00:44:52,638
faster and for the better.

966
00:44:53,698 --> 00:44:54,588
I was like, wow, that's cool.

967
00:44:54,688 --> 00:44:58,018
So I did the drawing when
I woke up of what has,

968
00:44:58,288 --> 00:44:59,318
what had been shown to me.

969
00:44:59,798 --> 00:45:02,838
It's one video on my
YouTube channel about that.

970
00:45:03,798 --> 00:45:05,308
Dreams are very interesting.

971
00:45:05,448 --> 00:45:07,928
I can receive a lot of
information through dreams

972
00:45:08,458 --> 00:45:10,968
and meditation as well.

973
00:45:10,998 --> 00:45:12,808
But if I don't have
the time to meditate.

974
00:45:13,483 --> 00:45:15,393
Essentially, I think I
revert back to dreams.

975
00:45:16,231 --> 00:45:18,661
Rod: So you've, you've
mentioned your book and,

976
00:45:18,821 --> 00:45:21,391
um, you also mentioned
YouTube channel.

977
00:45:21,401 --> 00:45:23,071
Is there any other way
that people can get in

978
00:45:23,071 --> 00:45:24,921
touch with you if they
want to ask you questions,

979
00:45:24,921 --> 00:45:25,741
if you're open to that?

980
00:45:27,026 --> 00:45:28,106
Vincent: Yeah,
absolutely fine.

981
00:45:28,166 --> 00:45:30,816
So if you go on a YouTube
channel, there is an email

982
00:45:30,816 --> 00:45:34,866
address, which you can
reach me at, uh, otherwise

983
00:45:34,896 --> 00:45:36,056
just leave a comment.

984
00:45:36,096 --> 00:45:37,776
I've got an Instagram
account as well.

985
00:45:38,076 --> 00:45:40,856
They both name, uh, the, the
man who kept dying, but you

986
00:45:40,856 --> 00:45:43,686
can type Vincent Ollivier,
the man who kept dying

987
00:45:43,686 --> 00:45:45,796
on YouTube or Instagram,
and you should find me.

988
00:45:45,796 --> 00:45:49,646
So please message me
through, um, those channels.

989
00:45:50,471 --> 00:45:51,451
And that's perfectly fine.

990
00:45:51,491 --> 00:45:53,541
If anyone has any
question, I will answer.

991
00:45:53,621 --> 00:45:57,521
Always happy to share my
story and, uh, and yeah, I

992
00:45:57,521 --> 00:46:01,521
think it's, uh, an important
journey of reconnecting

993
00:46:01,521 --> 00:46:04,381
with our spiritual nature
that we're all going

994
00:46:04,401 --> 00:46:05,421
through at this time.

995
00:46:05,461 --> 00:46:08,471
And it's nice to see more
and more people sharing

996
00:46:08,471 --> 00:46:10,501
those experiences and also.

997
00:46:11,396 --> 00:46:13,266
I think the capabilities,
you know, technological

998
00:46:13,266 --> 00:46:16,356
capabilities to share these
experiences so easily.

999
00:46:16,596 --> 00:46:18,156
I'm sitting in France
right now, you're

1000
00:46:18,156 --> 00:46:19,076
sitting in Australia.

1001
00:46:19,546 --> 00:46:20,706
We have this conversation.

1002
00:46:20,806 --> 00:46:22,996
I think it's fantastic,
the times we're living in.

1003
00:46:23,174 --> 00:46:24,754
Rod: It's almost surreal
sometimes, isn't it?

1004
00:46:24,754 --> 00:46:27,124
It's easy to forget
what's actually going on.

1005
00:46:27,704 --> 00:46:30,024
Uh, and do you have any
final message that you'd

1006
00:46:30,024 --> 00:46:31,784
like to leave people
with before we wrap up

1007
00:46:31,784 --> 00:46:32,924
our conversation today?

1008
00:46:34,439 --> 00:46:36,319
Vincent: There could
be a lot of messages,

1009
00:46:36,319 --> 00:46:40,309
but perhaps I'll try to
summarize it very quickly.

1010
00:46:40,453 --> 00:46:44,083
So the, the first one, I
would say something that

1011
00:46:44,083 --> 00:46:48,653
was taught to me by, one of
the senior directors at the

1012
00:46:48,653 --> 00:46:50,063
first company I worked at.

1013
00:46:50,083 --> 00:46:52,963
And I asked him for a bit
of advice in life, whether

1014
00:46:52,963 --> 00:46:54,023
professional or personal.

1015
00:46:54,073 --> 00:46:57,223
And he said to me, well,
it's something I received

1016
00:46:57,233 --> 00:46:59,323
from another mentor, but
I'm going to say to you.

1017
00:46:59,463 --> 00:47:00,873
It's not about what
you do in life.

1018
00:47:00,943 --> 00:47:02,323
It's about how you do it.

1019
00:47:03,363 --> 00:47:05,773
And I would change it
slightly from more of a

1020
00:47:05,933 --> 00:47:06,833
spiritual perspective.

1021
00:47:07,253 --> 00:47:09,673
And I would say, it's not
about what you do in life.

1022
00:47:09,683 --> 00:47:13,093
It's about who you are when
you do it, because everything,

1023
00:47:13,643 --> 00:47:16,153
as I've understood, come
from a state of being.

1024
00:47:16,933 --> 00:47:20,393
So the more you are in
you close to your true

1025
00:47:20,393 --> 00:47:24,243
nature, the more you will
see things aligned to that

1026
00:47:24,243 --> 00:47:25,313
true nature of yourself.

1027
00:47:25,393 --> 00:47:29,473
And as I've seen, Following
my NDE, it seems like I'm

1028
00:47:29,473 --> 00:47:31,943
reconnecting more and more
to purposes in life that

1029
00:47:31,953 --> 00:47:33,113
I was meant to experience.

1030
00:47:33,133 --> 00:47:36,473
And I believe that the
NDE was really a wake up

1031
00:47:36,473 --> 00:47:38,923
call as I was not going
in the right direction.

1032
00:47:40,023 --> 00:47:43,863
The second thing is, and
it took me a long while to

1033
00:47:43,863 --> 00:47:48,933
understand that concept, but
we are all coming from the

1034
00:47:48,933 --> 00:47:50,913
same point of consciousness.

1035
00:47:50,923 --> 00:47:54,503
So essentially you
could label it as God.

1036
00:47:54,883 --> 00:47:55,503
Source.

1037
00:47:55,868 --> 00:47:57,598
central point of
consciousness, anything.

1038
00:47:58,878 --> 00:48:01,028
We all are God, so to speak.

1039
00:48:01,028 --> 00:48:03,398
So we all have the same
power and capabilities.

1040
00:48:03,398 --> 00:48:06,858
We just playing the game
and the experience of, um,

1041
00:48:07,228 --> 00:48:08,518
forgetting that we are that.

1042
00:48:09,418 --> 00:48:12,608
And as a result, that made
me realize that everybody

1043
00:48:12,608 --> 00:48:16,118
else and everything around
me is just a part of me.

1044
00:48:16,558 --> 00:48:19,728
And I'm just a part
of them, so to speak.

1045
00:48:19,728 --> 00:48:21,158
So everything is
interconnected.

1046
00:48:21,818 --> 00:48:25,778
And with that, I try to, or
it certainly has helped me to

1047
00:48:25,778 --> 00:48:29,348
have a lot more compassion for
everything that's happening to

1048
00:48:29,348 --> 00:48:33,418
people around me in the world
and so on whilst at the same

1049
00:48:33,418 --> 00:48:36,698
time, being able to maintain
that capability that to.

1050
00:48:37,373 --> 00:48:40,013
See clearly that I've got
my own perspective on things

1051
00:48:40,713 --> 00:48:43,103
and because I have my own
perspective, I don't need

1052
00:48:43,103 --> 00:48:44,163
to impose it to anyone.

1053
00:48:44,163 --> 00:48:45,043
I can just share it.

1054
00:48:45,043 --> 00:48:47,653
If people are willing to
listen to it, that's fine.

1055
00:48:47,703 --> 00:48:49,163
If they don't,
that's fine as well.

1056
00:48:49,883 --> 00:48:53,493
I think it's quite important
for me to mention that because

1057
00:48:53,493 --> 00:48:55,533
I think in life, there's
always a lot of sometimes

1058
00:48:55,533 --> 00:48:56,613
of friction or battle.

1059
00:48:56,943 --> 00:48:57,903
I'm thinking that way.

1060
00:48:57,903 --> 00:48:59,613
Therefore, you should
think the same way too.

1061
00:48:59,613 --> 00:49:01,853
And I'm like, not necessarily,
you know, some people are

1062
00:49:02,693 --> 00:49:04,623
free to have their own
perspective as long as

1063
00:49:04,623 --> 00:49:08,293
they don't try to impose it
forcefully on somebody else.

1064
00:49:09,033 --> 00:49:11,503
But at the end of the day,
we all part of the same

1065
00:49:11,503 --> 00:49:13,433
consciousness and we all
are the same consciousness.

1066
00:49:13,433 --> 00:49:17,383
So as much as I can, I
try to treat people as if

1067
00:49:17,383 --> 00:49:21,113
I was speaking to myself
or dealing with myself to

1068
00:49:21,113 --> 00:49:22,533
have a lot more compassion.

1069
00:49:22,904 --> 00:49:24,934
Rod: Vincent, thank you
for that message and

1070
00:49:24,994 --> 00:49:27,164
thank you for being a
guest on my show today.

1071
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:29,919
Vincent: Thank you for
inviting me once again.

1072
00:49:29,929 --> 00:49:30,899
I appreciate it.

1073
00:49:30,939 --> 00:49:33,671
And, um, it was a really
enjoyable experience as well.