WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.459 Matt: Party, party, party, party, party, party, party, party. 00:00:05.660 --> 00:00:10.040 Alison: We like, we like to party, we like, we like to party, We 00:00:10.345 --> 00:00:11.060 Matt: like, we like 00:00:11.140 --> 00:00:12.140 Why do we like to party? 00:00:12.140 --> 00:00:13.420 Alison, why are we partying? 00:00:13.899 --> 00:00:16.719 Alison: Because today, today, Matthew, this very episode is 00:00:16.719 --> 00:00:18.609 our 18th, our 18th episode. 00:00:18.609 --> 00:00:19.149 We did it. 00:00:19.375 --> 00:00:23.395 Our little baby is 18. 00:00:23.703 --> 00:00:31.493 Matt: This podcast is the biggest surprise of the last, three to five years for me. 00:00:31.593 --> 00:00:33.773 Of a joyful Yeah. 00:00:33.773 --> 00:00:39.473 We, we first recorded the first episode 3/9/22, and we were like, I think most 00:00:39.473 --> 00:00:43.883 of the episode is, Oh man, I have no idea whether this makes any sense. 00:00:44.213 --> 00:00:45.083 Alison: This is gonna work. 00:00:45.623 --> 00:00:50.423 Matt: I don't think it's gonna work because look, look, if you are online 00:00:50.423 --> 00:00:54.953 now in 2022, if you do things, if you want to stand out, then you 00:00:54.953 --> 00:00:56.543 need to find your niche, right? 00:00:57.533 --> 00:00:58.403 But come on, man. 00:00:58.403 --> 00:01:02.093 There's like , there's some limits to some niches, right? 00:01:02.093 --> 00:01:03.443 Like there's some 00:01:03.608 --> 00:01:04.448 Alison: There is not. 00:01:04.478 --> 00:01:07.058 That is a limiting belief right there, Matthew Bivins. 00:01:07.118 --> 00:01:12.668 And and exactly like we have proven that there is a cross section of people 00:01:12.668 --> 00:01:18.688 who wants to listen to us and join in the conversations about ADHD and D&D. 00:01:18.713 --> 00:01:21.293 Matt: Two great tastes that taste great together. 00:01:21.713 --> 00:01:23.183 Um, it's true. 00:01:23.273 --> 00:01:23.843 They do. 00:01:24.143 --> 00:01:25.223 And this has been so much fun. 00:01:25.223 --> 00:01:26.153 It's been such a delight. 00:01:26.573 --> 00:01:27.623 We were very smart about it. 00:01:27.623 --> 00:01:33.113 We, we recorded three first again to kind of see, hey, is this going to do anything? 00:01:33.383 --> 00:01:34.853 Are we gonna have enough to talk about? 00:01:35.483 --> 00:01:36.803 But I love that. 00:01:37.523 --> 00:01:38.303 Just so many things. 00:01:38.303 --> 00:01:39.983 So many things that have been that. 00:01:40.103 --> 00:01:41.303 I like the celebration. 00:01:41.723 --> 00:01:45.773 The reason that we're celebrating too is that you had this brilliant idea of, 00:01:46.253 --> 00:01:48.923 of giving this podcast some seasons. 00:01:48.973 --> 00:01:50.563 And the seasons 00:01:50.613 --> 00:01:53.733 Alison: Some seasoning, like some salt, some onion powder, 00:01:53.733 --> 00:01:55.653 some garlic, some pepper. 00:01:56.083 --> 00:01:56.693 Matt: Mm-hmm. 00:01:56.778 --> 00:02:01.093 All of those Trader Joe's spice combos that are just so good. 00:02:01.283 --> 00:02:05.668 But yeah, we, you know, you had this idea of like, Hey, look It's so hip 00:02:05.758 --> 00:02:10.988 right now to have seasons of things and what if we did 18, called it a season? 00:02:11.248 --> 00:02:16.828 The podcast is now able to vote and as you've put it legal in most states. 00:02:16.878 --> 00:02:19.788 We were gonna talk about a few of our favorite things of this year. 00:02:19.848 --> 00:02:21.888 Um, what were a few of your favorite things, Alison? 00:02:22.089 --> 00:02:24.856 Alison: One of the very first thing that, uh, stands out is 00:02:24.856 --> 00:02:27.256 our great friend, Alejandro Tey 00:02:27.256 --> 00:02:28.526 Matt: Alejandro Tey! 00:02:28.556 --> 00:02:31.891 Alison: Alejandro Tey!Dungeon Master to the Stars, um, and 00:02:31.891 --> 00:02:33.331 one of my very favorite people. 00:02:33.391 --> 00:02:39.091 And, uh, so he was our inaugural guest, and that, that was, for me, that was when 00:02:39.091 --> 00:02:43.471 like the podcast was not just Matt and Alison talking into the void, but like, 00:02:43.471 --> 00:02:48.151 Hey, there's other people that this is, this is interesting to and, and could 00:02:48.151 --> 00:02:53.101 help make this even more interesting by the stories that they add to it. 00:02:54.931 --> 00:02:59.971 I loved, I loved having Tey on and I loved, We recorded for like hours. 00:03:00.061 --> 00:03:03.571 I had to cut us off to go to a meeting finally, and I didn't want to, I 00:03:03.571 --> 00:03:05.011 would've gone longer if I could have. 00:03:05.681 --> 00:03:07.801 Matt: Yeah, I know, I loved that. 00:03:08.101 --> 00:03:08.611 Um, 00:03:08.781 --> 00:03:10.071 Alison: What about, what about you? 00:03:10.441 --> 00:03:16.771 Matt: I want, I want more of that in 2023, but, um, I really enjoyed our talk 00:03:16.771 --> 00:03:20.421 about turning ADHD traits into spells. 00:03:20.571 --> 00:03:21.711 I thought that was really fun. 00:03:22.011 --> 00:03:24.201 That was a fun episode that we, and that's something that we're 00:03:24.248 --> 00:03:26.408 just kind of getting started on. 00:03:26.408 --> 00:03:30.128 So I'm excited to work on that, uh, in the next couple of months. 00:03:30.528 --> 00:03:30.948 Alison: Yep. 00:03:31.078 --> 00:03:31.588 Same. 00:03:32.248 --> 00:03:33.958 Um, let's see what else. 00:03:33.958 --> 00:03:35.608 You broke my brain. 00:03:35.638 --> 00:03:38.158 The episode where Matt and Alison are sorry. 00:03:38.163 --> 00:03:42.358 And we talked about when and how and why being friends with somebody with 00:03:42.358 --> 00:03:47.188 ADHD can be frustrating and some some buffs we hope to help with that. 00:03:47.188 --> 00:03:52.108 And so, um, the, the concept you introduced of the fiver, I loved that. 00:03:52.108 --> 00:03:55.258 And I now have friends who will do kind of what you said Nate does with you, which 00:03:55.258 --> 00:03:57.598 will text me and say, Fiver question mark. 00:03:57.818 --> 00:03:59.488 Matt: I really, Huh. 00:04:00.308 --> 00:04:01.208 That's amazing. 00:04:01.778 --> 00:04:02.588 That's amazing. 00:04:02.788 --> 00:04:04.318 Uh, but it is, it really works. 00:04:04.318 --> 00:04:07.738 You just have to get to the point where you can do fivers and you're like, Hey, 00:04:08.248 --> 00:04:12.058 just, you know, let's just, But yeah. 00:04:12.238 --> 00:04:12.448 That's 00:04:12.663 --> 00:04:16.353 Alison: And that was, I think, like removing the friction. 00:04:16.383 --> 00:04:17.253 Like for me, 00:04:17.333 --> 00:04:17.488 Matt: Yeah. 00:04:18.513 --> 00:04:22.263 Alison: Being a good friend and remembering to catch up with people 00:04:22.263 --> 00:04:25.353 sometimes just is so mentally exhausting to even think about. 00:04:25.893 --> 00:04:28.863 So what the fiver did, is it removed that entirely where there doesn't 00:04:28.868 --> 00:04:31.533 have to be any friction because we know we're just gonna get on for this 00:04:31.533 --> 00:04:35.073 finite period of time, have a quick catch up, and then do it again soon. 00:04:35.073 --> 00:04:39.333 Rather than procrastinate for weeks of the, we should catch up game that 00:04:39.333 --> 00:04:41.793 turns into the two hour marathon chats. 00:04:41.853 --> 00:04:42.183 So, I 00:04:42.208 --> 00:04:42.778 Matt: Exactly. 00:04:43.288 --> 00:04:44.158 That's what it's for. 00:04:45.056 --> 00:04:49.436 The things that I've learned, the fiver is funny because like these systems that, 00:04:49.706 --> 00:04:54.926 that I've put together in my life to survive, to get through a day, get through 00:04:54.926 --> 00:05:00.411 a, year, and these things that I take for granted is just being, oh, well, geez. 00:05:00.513 --> 00:05:01.473 Those are just my things. 00:05:01.743 --> 00:05:05.073 Those are the things that I, that are unique to me. 00:05:05.078 --> 00:05:10.705 No one else in the world experiences these same things and the level that I have 00:05:11.420 --> 00:05:17.660 realized that they are traits and that just the, the amount of, of excitement 00:05:17.660 --> 00:05:24.472 and energy and the ability to share that and to say, Hey, like, this is happening. 00:05:24.562 --> 00:05:26.992 And look, it's actually, these are traits. 00:05:26.992 --> 00:05:28.462 These are like scientifically proven. 00:05:28.462 --> 00:05:30.322 These are things that are happening in my brain. 00:05:30.322 --> 00:05:32.572 So I just, I've learned so much. 00:05:32.572 --> 00:05:37.792 I've learned so much simply talking to you, simply talking to you about this 00:05:37.797 --> 00:05:40.252 stuff, you know, and, and my coach. 00:05:40.252 --> 00:05:43.072 But really what would happen almost every week is you and I 00:05:43.072 --> 00:05:45.112 would discover something, right? 00:05:45.562 --> 00:05:49.792 In the, in the confines of ADHD and Dungeons & Dragons, somewhere 00:05:49.792 --> 00:05:53.632 along the lines, we would say, Huh, I wonder if that's a, And I go to 00:05:53.632 --> 00:05:55.282 coach who's a, the neuroscientist. 00:05:55.642 --> 00:05:56.572 And I would. 00:05:57.952 --> 00:05:58.522 Does this? 00:05:58.522 --> 00:05:59.002 Is this. 00:05:59.062 --> 00:05:59.272 Yeah. 00:05:59.272 --> 00:06:01.102 And she said, Yeah, that's, that's another thing. 00:06:01.192 --> 00:06:01.702 I love it. 00:06:01.707 --> 00:06:05.074 It's just I've packed in more learning about this disability, 00:06:05.074 --> 00:06:11.344 this thing that is my brain in, in this year than I have my 50 years. 00:06:12.154 --> 00:06:12.884 I know! 00:06:12.934 --> 00:06:13.924 It's amazing. 00:06:14.074 --> 00:06:14.794 It's amazing. 00:06:15.334 --> 00:06:15.934 Um, 00:06:15.969 --> 00:06:16.209 Alison: is 00:06:16.294 --> 00:06:20.344 Matt: and yeah, and, and, and along the same lines, we've said all this before, 00:06:20.674 --> 00:06:22.234 um, but you know, it's a birthday episode. 00:06:22.234 --> 00:06:24.918 It's kind of like, I guess a birthday episode is you know, like the TV 00:06:24.918 --> 00:06:28.909 show flashback episode that No, everyone's like You already said that. 00:06:29.239 --> 00:06:30.799 You already Oh, they already did that. 00:06:30.799 --> 00:06:31.669 Oh, it's a flashback. 00:06:31.699 --> 00:06:32.869 Anyway, I'm gonna do it anyway. 00:06:33.319 --> 00:06:41.374 What I love , what I love is, That then we've been able to start this 00:06:41.554 --> 00:06:47.614 little community, these people that are watching now and and that are at, 00:06:47.614 --> 00:06:51.904 at Patreon and that are writing and, and saying, Oh yeah, my kid, like 00:06:51.904 --> 00:06:55.264 our friend, you know, our friend Meg is like my kid's going through this. 00:06:55.324 --> 00:06:58.414 And I can say, um, well, gosh, guess what? 00:06:58.414 --> 00:06:59.344 We just learned? 00:06:59.494 --> 00:07:00.604 This is totally valid. 00:07:00.609 --> 00:07:02.044 Try this instead. 00:07:02.044 --> 00:07:07.264 Like, because man, if I had gotten that when I was little, and of 00:07:07.264 --> 00:07:09.469 course, that makes Meg a superstar. 00:07:09.709 --> 00:07:14.839 Alison: The validation of it all is, and I am, I am someone who does seek and crave 00:07:14.839 --> 00:07:20.149 constant validation as you and anybody watching this are all well aware is that 00:07:20.149 --> 00:07:24.319 I just need, I, you know, I think, uh, words of affirmation is certainly one of 00:07:24.324 --> 00:07:29.029 my love languages, and so I just need that little, like, you're doing it, you're on 00:07:29.029 --> 00:07:31.422 the right path, Like keep going and, and 00:07:31.422 --> 00:07:32.222 Matt: You're doing it, Alison 00:07:32.512 --> 00:07:33.192 Alison: You're doing it, Matt!! 00:07:33.192 --> 00:07:34.002 Matt: You're on the right path. 00:07:34.062 --> 00:07:34.992 No, you're doing it. 00:07:35.862 --> 00:07:36.642 On the right path. 00:07:37.052 --> 00:07:38.762 Alison: Well, the path is more fun with friends. 00:07:38.762 --> 00:07:41.972 Like we can pack a little picnic and make it a little party like we've done. 00:07:41.977 --> 00:07:46.322 Like why did we, why did we bear this burden alone for as long as we did? 00:07:46.352 --> 00:07:46.832 I don't know. 00:07:47.112 --> 00:07:47.502 Matt: It's true. 00:07:47.742 --> 00:07:48.192 It's true. 00:07:48.552 --> 00:07:50.202 Mm burdens. 00:07:50.792 --> 00:07:52.562 Alison: No , burdens. 00:07:53.242 --> 00:07:54.162 Matt: No burdens. 00:07:54.492 --> 00:07:57.402 Um, yeah, so that's why we're celebrating, 18. 00:07:57.612 --> 00:08:04.732 Uh, does it feel to you like it might be time to roll a d100? 00:08:04.757 --> 00:08:06.467 Alison: Always be rolling. 00:08:07.967 --> 00:08:08.882 Rolling why? 00:08:08.942 --> 00:08:09.512 Ooh, ooh. 00:08:09.517 --> 00:08:10.682 Don't go off that table. 00:08:10.952 --> 00:08:14.792 This, this roll is everything I could have hoped for here on our 18th birthday. 00:08:15.108 --> 00:08:16.728 Matt: You didn't roll an 18, did you? 00:08:16.868 --> 00:08:17.948 Alison: I rolled a 69. 00:08:18.318 --> 00:08:19.098 Nice. 00:08:21.568 --> 00:08:24.838 Matt: And knowing you in Fitz, you probably put something to that... 00:08:25.588 --> 00:08:26.428 That's all it is. 00:08:26.518 --> 00:08:28.558 It just says nice ellipses. 00:08:31.308 --> 00:08:31.698 It just 00:08:31.738 --> 00:08:35.748 Alison: forgot that we did that. 00:08:35.878 --> 00:08:36.058 Oh, man. 00:08:36.058 --> 00:08:37.388 Matt: It just says, "Nice..." 00:08:37.978 --> 00:08:38.398 Alison: That's it. 00:08:38.418 --> 00:08:38.508 I 00:08:38.638 --> 00:08:39.118 Matt: So 00:08:39.828 --> 00:08:40.818 Alison: I guess up or down. 00:08:40.978 --> 00:08:44.968 Matt: All right then I guess nice means up or down, Top or bottom. 00:08:46.718 --> 00:08:47.018 Alison: Down. 00:08:47.958 --> 00:08:48.138 Matt: Okay. 00:08:48.138 --> 00:08:48.648 Giggle giggle. 00:08:48.828 --> 00:08:49.998 Uh, alright. 00:08:51.188 --> 00:08:56.238 Downtown, uh, Alison, spoiler alert, what's the next 00:08:56.238 --> 00:08:58.028 character build you're planning? 00:08:58.418 --> 00:08:59.348 Alison: Oh my gosh. 00:09:01.118 --> 00:09:03.578 I, I don't, I don't have an answer for that. 00:09:04.088 --> 00:09:07.268 Like, What is this? 00:09:07.331 --> 00:09:10.241 I have fulfilled so many, you know, I, I get, Okay. 00:09:10.301 --> 00:09:10.721 Okay. 00:09:11.321 --> 00:09:14.968 I haven't played like a true barbarian or fighter or something like that. 00:09:14.968 --> 00:09:19.198 So I think, I think next I need to push myself out of my comfort zone, 00:09:19.451 --> 00:09:21.191 and do something in that realm. 00:09:21.291 --> 00:09:24.651 we're gonna get away from magic user for a minute and we're gonna get into 00:09:24.651 --> 00:09:27.591 something, um, more, more fighter build. 00:09:27.755 --> 00:09:30.815 So stay tuned and whoever wants to play that game with me, you just let 00:09:30.820 --> 00:09:32.165 me know and we'll make it happen. 00:09:33.230 --> 00:09:38.090 Matt: I think a lot of our plans for 2023 are playing more and figuring out 00:09:38.090 --> 00:09:43.850 ways to do that, because we've been kind of like visualizing it on this 00:09:43.850 --> 00:09:45.800 podcast and dreaming about it here. 00:09:45.800 --> 00:09:46.100 Right? 00:09:46.742 --> 00:09:47.342 anyway, 00:09:47.502 --> 00:09:48.642 Guess what I rolled? 00:09:49.007 --> 00:09:49.917 Alison: What did you roll? 00:09:50.892 --> 00:09:51.792 Matt: A 16. 00:09:52.097 --> 00:09:57.197 Alison: You rolled a sweet 16 You're gonna hate this, and that means I love it. 00:09:57.582 --> 00:09:58.152 Matt: Oh, good. 00:09:58.427 --> 00:10:01.517 Alison: Sing your favorite jingle or whatever the first 00:10:01.522 --> 00:10:02.777 one that comes to mind is, 00:10:03.730 --> 00:10:04.870 Matt: Favorite jingle. 00:10:05.757 --> 00:10:09.597 You know, that's the kind of thing where when you're not trying to think 00:10:09.597 --> 00:10:11.247 of them, you think of them all the time. 00:10:11.352 --> 00:10:11.962 Alison: Mm-hmm. 00:10:13.207 --> 00:10:17.437 Matt: Do you remember just for the taste of it, Diet Coke. 00:10:17.832 --> 00:10:18.252 Alison: Just for 00:10:18.257 --> 00:10:19.542 the taste of it. 00:10:19.902 --> 00:10:20.712 Diet Coke. 00:10:20.717 --> 00:10:21.342 Yes. 00:10:21.342 --> 00:10:23.082 I remember a lot of the Coke Jingles. 00:10:23.472 --> 00:10:23.682 There 00:10:23.767 --> 00:10:25.357 Matt: that one came, that one came to mind. 00:10:26.947 --> 00:10:29.437 Um, I don't know if that's my favorite, but 00:10:30.107 --> 00:10:31.507 I, I at least pulled it out 00:10:31.602 --> 00:10:34.332 Alison: That's why we qualified, or just the first one that comes to mind, like 00:10:34.332 --> 00:10:36.792 don't, don't give yourself psychic damage. 00:10:36.852 --> 00:10:38.892 As we discovered last time, what that is. 00:10:39.457 --> 00:10:42.307 Matt: May I add to our list of things that I've loved about 00:10:42.307 --> 00:10:44.629 this podcast for 18 episodes? 00:10:44.899 --> 00:10:49.159 This freaking ADHD100 table, man. 00:10:49.710 --> 00:10:56.390 The more that we dive into it, the more I realize how long y'all spent on this. 00:10:57.280 --> 00:11:01.260 Oh my God, it's not, it's not thrown together, y'all. 00:11:01.470 --> 00:11:02.580 It's not thrown together. 00:11:02.910 --> 00:11:08.430 It is a gorgeous 100 questions that are not alike. 00:11:08.685 --> 00:11:09.735 There's no fluff. 00:11:09.765 --> 00:11:11.055 There's no filler. 00:11:11.406 --> 00:11:14.586 Some of them are very Dungeons and Dragons based some of them are. 00:11:15.100 --> 00:11:16.890 Some of them are just like nice 00:11:19.577 --> 00:11:22.817 Alison: We were pulling the questions out of, you know, where, but the 00:11:22.817 --> 00:11:24.497 whole process was not thrown together. 00:11:24.497 --> 00:11:26.417 It was done with purpose and intent. 00:11:26.867 --> 00:11:28.427 Aligned actions. 00:11:28.637 --> 00:11:29.307 Boo yah. 00:11:29.778 --> 00:11:33.858 So when we look back on, you know, 2022, our, our little retrospective where 00:11:33.858 --> 00:11:37.968 this has been a major event of the year, I think about all of the changes that 00:11:37.968 --> 00:11:41.916 have come into my life not necessarily because of but in some ways Yes. 00:11:42.156 --> 00:11:43.146 Doing this podcast. 00:11:43.151 --> 00:11:43.536 Right. 00:11:44.016 --> 00:11:50.766 Um, and so on one of our earliest podcasts, I came in brimming 00:11:50.771 --> 00:11:54.846 with excitement because I had just DMed my first game. 00:11:54.896 --> 00:12:00.806 Um, and so now we're coming into kind of a full circle moment where 00:12:01.076 --> 00:12:04.586 I have taken that one step further and now I am world building. 00:12:04.946 --> 00:12:09.136 And so I thought since this is something that Matt has spent a lot of time doing 00:12:09.136 --> 00:12:12.556 in the past couple of years as well, and I, I think it's something you enjoy, 00:12:12.556 --> 00:12:13.936 it's certainly something you're good at. 00:12:13.936 --> 00:12:14.326 Right? 00:12:14.666 --> 00:12:16.046 Matt: One of my favorite things. 00:12:16.046 --> 00:12:21.626 Alison: Um, I thought we could talk through world building with ADHD, like, 00:12:23.306 --> 00:12:27.176 and we've talked about, we've talked about ADHD, like the positive sides of 00:12:27.176 --> 00:12:32.606 ADHD frequently throughout this journey together of the last 18 episodes. 00:12:32.666 --> 00:12:33.656 It's not all bad. 00:12:34.496 --> 00:12:37.886 And I think, that world building is actually one of the ways that 00:12:37.886 --> 00:12:42.179 actually lends itself really easily, because we don't have that filter. 00:12:42.389 --> 00:12:46.589 We don't sometimes get in the way of our own imaginations where like, 00:12:46.589 --> 00:12:48.059 no le let me pull at that thread. 00:12:48.059 --> 00:12:49.169 And I think that's fun. 00:12:49.709 --> 00:12:56.308 And then this is where hyper fixation serves us so well, I spent the entire 00:12:56.308 --> 00:12:59.698 Saturday sitting in front of my computer. 00:13:00.508 --> 00:13:02.608 And I, I wish I had more to show for it. 00:13:03.448 --> 00:13:04.108 I do! 00:13:04.298 --> 00:13:06.158 Matt: Well, yeah, 00:13:06.308 --> 00:13:06.878 but 00:13:07.471 --> 00:13:11.191 Alison: but time well spent, I'm not, I'm not poo pooing my efforts, I'm just 00:13:11.191 --> 00:13:15.211 saying I spent all day doing something and if you were only judging me by 00:13:15.211 --> 00:13:18.961 the output, the output was like three maps and a few paragraphs and some 00:13:18.961 --> 00:13:21.271 names of some places and some thoughts. 00:13:22.381 --> 00:13:25.891 But the real output was the enjoyment I got from just that 00:13:25.891 --> 00:13:29.491 day of being deep inside a fantasy world that I myself got to create. 00:13:29.581 --> 00:13:34.261 And I think if I was not neurodivergent in some way, I wouldn't 00:13:34.261 --> 00:13:35.311 have gotten to experience that. 00:13:35.559 --> 00:13:36.759 Matt: No, that makes sense. 00:13:37.269 --> 00:13:40.359 I mean, that thing that you're talking about, the fearlessness of pulling 00:13:40.359 --> 00:13:45.789 threads, um, the working all day and kind of going, Wait a minute, what did I do? 00:13:45.909 --> 00:13:50.619 But I bet though, I bet on that Saturday, you did find the core. 00:13:51.559 --> 00:13:56.149 And we talked about this, but the, for me it was trial and error. 00:13:56.149 --> 00:13:57.739 Trial and error until it clicks. 00:13:57.739 --> 00:13:59.719 And that's what hyper fixation really is. 00:13:59.719 --> 00:14:01.759 It's like, uh, I don't know. 00:14:03.739 --> 00:14:07.429 You know, it's kind of, it's like you are being dragged along 00:14:07.489 --> 00:14:11.029 sometimes by things that you have to do that you wanna work on. 00:14:11.029 --> 00:14:12.949 Sometimes you wanna work on 'em, sometimes not. 00:14:14.142 --> 00:14:18.252 We have the power eventually, if we're dragged around long enough, 00:14:18.372 --> 00:14:23.022 and if we can be patient enough in a day or a week or a, something to 00:14:23.022 --> 00:14:28.782 jump onto the motorcycle, and then we are in control, which is super cool. 00:14:29.082 --> 00:14:35.352 And Yeah, for sure, I've had many of those days too, where you're like, just g going. 00:14:35.622 --> 00:14:36.222 Just going. 00:14:36.312 --> 00:14:36.552 Yeah. 00:14:36.902 --> 00:14:37.512 Alison: Mm-hmm. 00:14:37.687 --> 00:14:40.052 , it's, it's making sense that it's feeling good and it's leading to 00:14:40.052 --> 00:14:42.607 immense amounts of joy, and I loved it. 00:14:42.708 --> 00:14:45.995 Matt: Well, I'll start off by saying I think that, we, I would have, 00:14:45.995 --> 00:14:49.205 this is absolutely unscientific, We'd have to have a poll. 00:14:49.505 --> 00:14:56.509 But I bet you, that game masters that have ADHD, not all of them of course, but would 00:14:56.599 --> 00:15:00.829 tend to want to build their own world. 00:15:01.279 --> 00:15:03.469 It doesn't mean that I can't appreciate Barovia, 00:15:03.539 --> 00:15:10.339 but I use those to learn and then I just always want to change things. 00:15:10.589 --> 00:15:17.279 Like, it's always, I always want to make it my own, make it more me, make it, fit 00:15:17.279 --> 00:15:18.959 it to the people that I'm playing with. 00:15:18.989 --> 00:15:22.889 Like, that just is like, I'm, I'm a tinkerer. 00:15:22.979 --> 00:15:23.669 I can't help. 00:15:24.092 --> 00:15:24.582 Alison: What? 00:15:24.697 --> 00:15:29.797 Matt: I I mean, I, I know that you say you're not as much of a 00:15:29.797 --> 00:15:32.677 tinkerer, but I don't, I don't know. 00:15:32.677 --> 00:15:36.147 I, I feel like this is one of those cases because it, there's no damage 00:15:36.147 --> 00:15:39.660 that could possibly be done if you build your own world it's free. 00:15:39.660 --> 00:15:44.910 It's just a pure artistic expression of things that you love and people 00:15:44.915 --> 00:15:50.100 you love and concepts that you love or frighten you or, um, and, and 00:15:50.100 --> 00:15:52.290 kind of putting 'em into a soup, 00:15:53.025 --> 00:15:53.635 Alison: Mm-hmm. 00:15:53.820 --> 00:15:55.120 Matt: and then being able to share that soup. 00:15:55.140 --> 00:15:59.430 But of course, we could be talking about authors or playwrights. 00:15:59.520 --> 00:16:02.047 We could be talking about people who write movies as well. 00:16:02.047 --> 00:16:06.720 But specifically in this game, your players then help you write. 00:16:07.020 --> 00:16:08.670 And that's also so fun. 00:16:08.910 --> 00:16:11.550 Like, that's also so great. 00:16:11.666 --> 00:16:15.026 So I was gonna start off just by saying number one world 00:16:15.026 --> 00:16:17.947 building, could be an ADHD trait. 00:16:18.262 --> 00:16:18.612 Alison: Mm. 00:16:19.087 --> 00:16:19.807 Matt: Yes or no? 00:16:20.017 --> 00:16:20.707 Discuss. 00:16:20.780 --> 00:16:25.940 Alison: I wonder if it's because we have this tendency to not feel like we fit in. 00:16:26.084 --> 00:16:27.674 And maybe that's not ADHD. 00:16:27.674 --> 00:16:30.764 Maybe that's just zooming out neurodivergence, right there is 00:16:30.764 --> 00:16:34.304 this, we've talked about masking before and things like that. 00:16:34.634 --> 00:16:37.814 And so when you world build, you're not asking anything to fit in. 00:16:37.814 --> 00:16:40.964 You're not trying to to jam anything into one particular spot. 00:16:40.964 --> 00:16:41.664 You're just 00:16:41.694 --> 00:16:42.024 Matt: Right? 00:16:42.794 --> 00:16:43.364 Alison: Screw it. 00:16:43.364 --> 00:16:46.994 Let's start from scratch, , and let's, let's, let's build something 00:16:46.994 --> 00:16:49.574 that compliments what we want to accomplish instead of trying to take 00:16:49.574 --> 00:16:51.614 ourselves and, and place them within. 00:16:52.274 --> 00:16:55.634 Um, So it actually makes a lot of sense that we would be drawn 00:16:55.694 --> 00:16:57.374 to the desire to world build. 00:16:57.592 --> 00:17:00.322 Matt: Is it the right thing to do? 00:17:00.502 --> 00:17:01.162 I don't know. 00:17:01.222 --> 00:17:05.152 Like, uh, there, well, there's no rules of course, but like, do we need 00:17:05.152 --> 00:17:08.312 to study the classics before we do? 00:17:08.405 --> 00:17:10.685 Alison: It means more that it's personal, right? 00:17:10.685 --> 00:17:15.125 And I don't think that that's ego talking, but so the name of the town where we're 00:17:15.130 --> 00:17:18.155 kicking off this adventure is Lavs Keep. 00:17:18.395 --> 00:17:22.925 And that is named after my very first character, Lavinia, who died. 00:17:22.975 --> 00:17:26.815 So I already feel like a really emotional connection to this place, rather than 00:17:26.815 --> 00:17:28.915 just pulling something off of a shelf. 00:17:29.155 --> 00:17:30.565 I can see it, I can envision it. 00:17:30.925 --> 00:17:36.325 And then I'm trying to help each of my characters find their stake and 00:17:36.325 --> 00:17:41.005 footing in the world too, so that way they also have ownership and a 00:17:41.005 --> 00:17:43.345 legacy within and all of those things. 00:17:43.432 --> 00:17:46.162 And then there is, and maybe this is the ego part of it. 00:17:46.214 --> 00:17:50.595 So taking back the curtain for a second and letting people see behind 00:17:50.600 --> 00:17:52.275 it, DMing is a whole lot of work. 00:17:52.785 --> 00:17:55.665 I cannot express in words how much work it is. 00:17:55.670 --> 00:17:56.655 It is so much work. 00:17:56.655 --> 00:18:02.045 I know that before I DM'd, y'all all told me and I, I was aware on some 00:18:02.045 --> 00:18:06.635 level that these guys are working their butts off to give us something to do. 00:18:06.875 --> 00:18:10.915 You know, 2020 was very easy for us to play Dungeons and Dragons 00:18:10.915 --> 00:18:12.535 cuz we didn't have a lot going on. 00:18:12.955 --> 00:18:13.515 Matt: Right. 00:18:13.705 --> 00:18:17.625 Alison: But then when the world started to reopen, you know, and scheduling conflicts 00:18:17.630 --> 00:18:19.635 started to come up, it, it became harder. 00:18:19.635 --> 00:18:22.395 And I kept saying like, How can I ease that burden? 00:18:22.395 --> 00:18:24.705 And I mean, if anybody listening has figured out how to ease the 00:18:24.705 --> 00:18:26.205 burden of DMing, let us know. 00:18:26.205 --> 00:18:27.585 Cuz we haven't figured it out yet. 00:18:27.915 --> 00:18:29.685 But that was one of the reasons I wanted to start DMing. 00:18:29.685 --> 00:18:32.415 And so that way it's not always on like, Hey Matt, it is your job to 00:18:32.415 --> 00:18:36.975 spend hours a week figuring out ways to entertain me for a few hours as well. 00:18:37.605 --> 00:18:42.375 Um, so if I'm gonna spend all that time, why am I gonna spend all that time on 00:18:42.775 --> 00:18:44.175 somebody else's intellectual property? 00:18:45.015 --> 00:18:48.165 Why wouldn't I spend the time? 00:18:48.465 --> 00:18:51.869 And so I've kind of borrowed from what you've just said of taking 00:18:51.869 --> 00:18:55.229 existing modules and modifying, it doesn't all have to be scratch 00:18:55.229 --> 00:18:59.159 made, so I, I do have a module that I'll be running, um, the characters 00:18:59.159 --> 00:19:00.299 through that I finally picked out. 00:19:00.304 --> 00:19:03.759 But it aligns with the vision I already had. 00:19:03.999 --> 00:19:06.309 It's just gonna help me take a couple of shortcuts so I can spend the 00:19:06.309 --> 00:19:07.569 time where I wanna spend the time. 00:19:07.839 --> 00:19:11.619 With helping my characters build and you know, things like that. 00:19:11.939 --> 00:19:12.959 Matt: Two things. 00:19:13.109 --> 00:19:14.039 Number one, Yes. 00:19:14.039 --> 00:19:20.072 I'd like to reiterate to people that, being a game master takes a lot of work. 00:19:20.102 --> 00:19:21.482 So you really have to like it. 00:19:21.752 --> 00:19:22.502 You really do. 00:19:22.622 --> 00:19:26.042 I don't think there's any reason, any reason somebody should just, 00:19:26.192 --> 00:19:30.962 just be a game master because they're forced to because I, it's really 00:19:31.112 --> 00:19:35.435 a lot of work and I think that you have to like it and I love it. 00:19:35.485 --> 00:19:37.585 And then the second thing though, I was going to say, 00:19:37.963 --> 00:19:39.493 about the intellectual property. 00:19:39.703 --> 00:19:43.478 Everybody knows I worship at the altar of Mike Shea and I, and I feel 00:19:43.478 --> 00:19:45.248 like there is that balance, right? 00:19:45.248 --> 00:19:50.315 I feel like there is that balance of when you pick up a Mike Shea adventure, 00:19:50.345 --> 00:19:53.645 he doesn't have a ton of 'em, just a few, but they're so well written, 00:19:53.675 --> 00:19:57.695 they're really rock solid and the first thing he says is, take this and 00:19:57.700 --> 00:20:00.065 go, man, take this into your world. 00:20:00.365 --> 00:20:02.285 It will fit into this and this and this world. 00:20:02.825 --> 00:20:06.288 And, he plays a combination of all the things, his own stuff 00:20:06.318 --> 00:20:08.118 and, and, and written stuff. 00:20:08.118 --> 00:20:10.698 I think you, you also have to find the joy in that as well. 00:20:10.878 --> 00:20:15.498 But yes, uh, I think finding that balance is key. 00:20:15.526 --> 00:20:16.511 But I agree with you too. 00:20:16.511 --> 00:20:20.201 Like if you are gonna really do a lot of work, why not do 00:20:20.201 --> 00:20:21.401 something that is your own? 00:20:22.201 --> 00:20:24.511 Alison: And then that's, that's kind of leading into some of the things 00:20:24.511 --> 00:20:28.861 that we spoke about in episode 17 where we were talking about our core values 00:20:28.861 --> 00:20:31.411 and how do we want to be spending our time and what do we desire? 00:20:31.416 --> 00:20:38.715 And it's like if you and I want to get more and more into the D&D community, why 00:20:38.720 --> 00:20:41.265 wouldn't we be, you know, taking the time? 00:20:41.441 --> 00:20:42.481 Matt: The time is now. 00:20:42.751 --> 00:20:42.881 Yeah, 00:20:42.881 --> 00:20:43.611 Alison: The time is now. 00:20:43.661 --> 00:20:43.931 Matt: Cool. 00:20:43.931 --> 00:20:47.925 Alison: Any advice, for me or for others who are thinking about, going down the 00:20:47.925 --> 00:20:53.205 world building and DMing path, especially taking into, consideration ADHD? 00:20:53.525 --> 00:20:57.785 Matt: I think that probably the advice to that is going to be the 00:20:57.785 --> 00:21:01.993 same that you get from any kind of writing, creative exercise. 00:21:01.993 --> 00:21:05.643 Which is write about what you know, write about the people that you 00:21:05.643 --> 00:21:10.543 know, don't be afraid of mapping because you know, like we've said, 00:21:10.543 --> 00:21:12.540 tropes, people want the tropes. 00:21:12.545 --> 00:21:14.070 Man, give them the tropes. 00:21:14.070 --> 00:21:15.240 Just go for it. 00:21:15.330 --> 00:21:15.780 Do it. 00:21:16.103 --> 00:21:20.705 And I think, it's even more fun to, to write for specific people, right? 00:21:21.095 --> 00:21:25.025 To write for a group that, you know, Someday I do wanna test 00:21:25.030 --> 00:21:28.145 it and see what the world is like with strangers or something. 00:21:28.195 --> 00:21:31.765 But I, I think the more personal it is to you, the better it's going to be. 00:21:32.215 --> 00:21:35.665 Like putting yourself into it on all, cases and forms. 00:21:35.665 --> 00:21:38.975 So, Uh, we've talked about so many positive things. 00:21:38.975 --> 00:21:44.105 I was gonna segue a little bit into like the organization, like the, the 00:21:44.105 --> 00:21:47.285 actual organization of it though. 00:21:47.855 --> 00:21:52.665 You know, when we talk about all the work that we're doing, it is, I don't 00:21:52.665 --> 00:21:54.585 know, for me it has to be notes. 00:21:54.615 --> 00:21:57.045 It has to be things written down. 00:21:57.045 --> 00:22:01.395 It has to be like bullet points and stuff for me. 00:22:01.755 --> 00:22:07.395 Uh, I'm sure there's tons of ways of doing it, but that is a 00:22:07.400 --> 00:22:09.345 challenge for people with ADHD. 00:22:09.945 --> 00:22:10.845 Big for me. 00:22:10.875 --> 00:22:11.295 I know. 00:22:11.385 --> 00:22:14.198 And, and that is one thing that is frustrating. 00:22:14.198 --> 00:22:19.493 It's not specific to world building, but it is like, I wrote about this, 00:22:19.523 --> 00:22:21.263 I already wrote about this person. 00:22:21.383 --> 00:22:22.853 I already, Where is it? 00:22:22.943 --> 00:22:24.923 It's like, uh, which, which note? 00:22:25.913 --> 00:22:26.603 Which is it? 00:22:26.603 --> 00:22:27.743 Notion, Is it obsidian? 00:22:27.748 --> 00:22:28.243 Is it Craft? 00:22:28.373 --> 00:22:29.053 Where is it? 00:22:29.058 --> 00:22:29.813 Where did I write that? 00:22:29.813 --> 00:22:31.703 Is it, you know, it's everywhere. 00:22:31.703 --> 00:22:32.153 It's everywhere. 00:22:32.153 --> 00:22:33.683 And that drives me nuts that 00:22:33.718 --> 00:22:34.558 Alison: And This is 00:22:34.643 --> 00:22:35.543 Matt: gotten a little bit better. 00:22:35.788 --> 00:22:41.038 Alison: We've spent a lot of time on this here podcast, uh, trying to gate 00:22:41.038 --> 00:22:44.248 you into not using multiple platforms, 00:22:45.383 --> 00:22:45.713 Matt: Yeah. 00:22:45.803 --> 00:22:46.163 Okay. 00:22:46.168 --> 00:22:46.433 Right. 00:22:46.433 --> 00:22:50.063 But I've also, at every turn, I've always said it's impossible. 00:22:50.093 --> 00:22:50.843 Don't even try. 00:22:50.903 --> 00:22:52.193 You can't, you can't. 00:22:52.493 --> 00:22:53.633 It's a waste of time. 00:22:53.933 --> 00:22:59.333 But, uh, I do feel, I have, I have stuck with something for a good, long time and 00:22:59.333 --> 00:23:05.055 it, and it seems to be pretty cool to have some kind of hierarchy organization. 00:23:05.055 --> 00:23:08.805 And that doesn't have to be folders, but it has to be, here are the 00:23:08.805 --> 00:23:12.255 players in this world, here are the non-player characters in your world. 00:23:12.260 --> 00:23:15.285 Here are the locations, here are the events that happen. 00:23:15.285 --> 00:23:16.215 Here's a timeline. 00:23:16.215 --> 00:23:19.695 Here's, you know, because that stuff is going to come back. 00:23:19.755 --> 00:23:27.201 And, And in that, like when you improvise the fella that works at the jail and he, 00:23:27.201 --> 00:23:32.031 you know, he's an intake officer and you have to make him up because your players 00:23:32.031 --> 00:23:35.991 suddenly walk into the jail without you having any idea that that's gonna happen. 00:23:36.621 --> 00:23:38.991 You have to like scramble, you have to write notes about, 00:23:39.051 --> 00:23:40.911 cuz they will go back to him. 00:23:41.271 --> 00:23:42.321 What is his accent? 00:23:42.371 --> 00:23:43.781 Is he Southern, is he Irish? 00:23:43.781 --> 00:23:44.561 Is he Scottish? 00:23:44.566 --> 00:23:45.611 You have to write that down. 00:23:45.821 --> 00:23:46.811 What does he look like? 00:23:46.871 --> 00:23:50.351 Like, and, and, and I will say, and 00:23:50.446 --> 00:23:51.136 Alison: part for me. 00:23:51.226 --> 00:23:55.126 I like, apparently Matt Mercer keeps like audio files. 00:23:55.876 --> 00:23:56.956 Mind boggling. 00:23:57.075 --> 00:24:01.812 Um, I was trying to put together campaign database for my world building. 00:24:02.202 --> 00:24:06.012 Fitz shared Mike Shea's Notion templates with me. 00:24:06.094 --> 00:24:12.364 I think to tie this back into ADHD, one trait about ADHD that I'm 00:24:12.544 --> 00:24:17.104 often very, very guilty of, and it drives me crazy about myself is. 00:24:17.395 --> 00:24:19.555 If I don't start something from the beginning, then it just 00:24:19.555 --> 00:24:21.775 gets too overwhelming and I'm like, well, it's too late now. 00:24:21.865 --> 00:24:25.555 Like, I can't, I, I can't possibly start in the middle and start taking 00:24:25.555 --> 00:24:27.025 good notes from this day forward. 00:24:27.205 --> 00:24:30.775 No, no, I've already not taken notes, so I just might as well continue, right? 00:24:31.435 --> 00:24:36.105 Um, so to fight against that urge, I'm just going to start taking 00:24:36.105 --> 00:24:37.185 good notes from the beginning. 00:24:37.615 --> 00:24:40.345 Otherwise we're gonna wind up in week nine and be like, Well I haven't done it for 00:24:40.615 --> 00:24:42.145 the past eight weeks, so why start now? 00:24:42.562 --> 00:24:46.192 Which is something I desperately want to break myself of this whole, like, well 00:24:46.192 --> 00:24:51.705 the whole day's, wasted cuz I wasted the first two hours of it, which is not true. 00:24:51.705 --> 00:24:54.735 If you wasted two hours of a day, you have several other hours, 00:24:54.735 --> 00:24:56.505 you could still be productive. 00:24:57.115 --> 00:24:57.965 Matt: It's so true. 00:24:58.452 --> 00:25:03.775 Yeah, someday when I feel like, like what I've got is, solidified, which 00:25:03.780 --> 00:25:08.395 I feel pretty, pretty good about it, we'll share in like actual tools I 00:25:08.395 --> 00:25:11.875 think, you know, that, that I think have been really, really amazing. 00:25:11.995 --> 00:25:18.563 Um, Anyway, we were gonna talk about what, what we do have planned, what we, what we 00:25:18.568 --> 00:25:20.892 are excited about being next and stuff. 00:25:21.182 --> 00:25:23.792 Alison: I'm gonna go ahead and out us right here, right now. 00:25:24.282 --> 00:25:24.582 Matt: Okay. 00:25:24.582 --> 00:25:26.082 Alison: Matt and I are starting a TikTok channel. 00:25:26.194 --> 00:25:27.034 Matt: Yeah, that's 00:25:27.234 --> 00:25:29.934 Alison: happening, So we're gonna spend some time building that up. 00:25:30.234 --> 00:25:35.814 Um, we are gonna go guest hunting, which is more fun for me than ghost hunting. 00:25:36.114 --> 00:25:36.804 I think. 00:25:37.164 --> 00:25:37.794 Um, 00:25:39.334 --> 00:25:39.634 Matt: For me. 00:25:39.634 --> 00:25:41.734 It's on the fence, but yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:25:41.734 --> 00:25:42.304 Mm-hmm. 00:25:42.354 --> 00:25:44.664 Alison: We keep every week, I feel like we have, Oh, we should 00:25:44.664 --> 00:25:46.074 invite them to be in our podcast. 00:25:46.104 --> 00:25:49.524 Um, you know, so like, let's get, uh, let's get 00:25:49.529 --> 00:25:54.705 some D&D heavy hitters up in this piece, um, for next season. 00:25:54.705 --> 00:25:58.058 So we're gonna spend some time like dreaming and, and scheming and, and 00:25:58.058 --> 00:25:59.558 doing all of those other things. 00:25:59.918 --> 00:26:04.298 Um, and then come back to pop you in the mouth, pop pop, uh, with season two 00:26:07.083 --> 00:26:09.913 Matt: It's that what we do pop you in the mouth. 00:26:11.728 --> 00:26:12.238 Alison: Is that, 00:26:12.333 --> 00:26:12.843 Matt: pop, pop. 00:26:12.843 --> 00:26:13.263 pop. 00:26:13.643 --> 00:26:14.813 Alison: Is that not what we do? 00:26:15.393 --> 00:26:15.573 Matt: Yeah. 00:26:15.578 --> 00:26:17.163 Well, maybe, maybe. 00:26:17.313 --> 00:26:20.763 I've never, I've never heard it described that way, but I'm not, 00:26:21.063 --> 00:26:22.533 I'm not not into it, I guess. 00:26:22.593 --> 00:26:24.483 Yeah, yeah. 00:26:24.643 --> 00:26:27.823 You know, I, I had to warm up to the idea of, of season one and season two 00:26:27.823 --> 00:26:32.083 and season three and season 50, but I, I really, the more I thought about, 00:26:32.083 --> 00:26:36.490 the more I really like it because it gives me something to miss, for just, 00:26:36.490 --> 00:26:38.080 you know, a very short amount of time. 00:26:39.220 --> 00:26:43.030 You know, I think we have realized that one thing that's good for us is 00:26:43.030 --> 00:26:46.690 to take breaks and to kind of dream up a little bit and then do those 00:26:46.690 --> 00:26:48.070 things and then come back to it. 00:26:48.310 --> 00:26:51.323 You know, that's how we work together as business partners. 00:26:51.323 --> 00:26:54.323 And I think that's, I think that's a good way of, of doing it. 00:26:54.328 --> 00:26:56.993 So I'm, I'm gonna do it. 00:26:57.143 --> 00:27:00.623 Are, are, are the seasons gonna have names, Are they gonna have nicknames like 00:27:01.263 --> 00:27:01.613 Alison: Oh. 00:27:01.973 --> 00:27:03.823 Matt: Season one and Season two. 00:27:05.213 --> 00:27:06.233 Season three. 00:27:06.853 --> 00:27:07.693 Alison: We could do better. 00:27:07.743 --> 00:27:10.798 I hadn't conceptualized that they would, but now that you've said that, 00:27:10.978 --> 00:27:12.778 like we've, we've gotta have, you know, 00:27:13.768 --> 00:27:14.098 I've been 00:27:14.528 --> 00:27:17.738 Matt: And we might, we could also do a Christmas special too, or a holiday 00:27:17.738 --> 00:27:19.478 special if we really wanted to. 00:27:19.538 --> 00:27:21.848 That, that, that's a thing that happens, you know, 00:27:22.688 --> 00:27:23.648 the Star Wars holiday 00:27:23.758 --> 00:27:25.628 Alison: like cozy sweaters and elf 00:27:26.018 --> 00:27:26.438 Matt: Mm. 00:27:26.788 --> 00:27:30.468 Alison: Oh, I love that um, lot's gonna happen between 00:27:30.473 --> 00:27:31.978 now and January, apparently. 00:27:32.098 --> 00:27:32.398 Matt: I know. 00:27:32.968 --> 00:27:34.768 Oh, and we're going to Cons, right? 00:27:34.978 --> 00:27:37.648 We're, that's another major goal is we're going to conventions. 00:27:37.830 --> 00:27:38.910 We both did some homework. 00:27:38.960 --> 00:27:43.730 We're going to find some cons and we are going to N-E-R-D-O-U-T 00:27:44.530 --> 00:27:44.620 Alison: O-U-T. 00:27:45.130 --> 00:27:46.870 We're going to Wisconsin. 00:27:47.800 --> 00:27:48.760 I'm so excited. 00:27:49.186 --> 00:27:49.796 Matt: The birthplace 00:27:50.336 --> 00:27:51.206 Alison: of D&D 00:27:51.226 --> 00:27:51.916 Matt: The birth place of 00:27:51.966 --> 00:27:52.126 of 00:27:52.126 --> 00:27:52.336 Alison: Gary 00:27:52.336 --> 00:27:53.083 Matt: role playing. 00:27:53.083 --> 00:27:53.503 Yeah. 00:27:53.503 --> 00:27:53.803 Of role 00:27:53.843 --> 00:27:57.683 Alison: to, So yeah, we're gonna go, to Lake Geneva, Wisconsin and take a slight, 00:27:57.743 --> 00:28:02.153 uh, short road trip over to Kenosha, Wisconsin, home of the Mars Cheese Castle. 00:28:03.156 --> 00:28:03.876 Cheese on cheese. 00:28:04.686 --> 00:28:06.041 Matt: on cheese, on cheese. 00:28:06.041 --> 00:28:08.201 You know, Wisconsin's one of my favorite states. 00:28:08.526 --> 00:28:12.006 Alison: And I've never been, and it's time for me to go and experience it. 00:28:12.486 --> 00:28:17.256 And Gary Con and you and I have conned together before, we have theater conned. 00:28:17.256 --> 00:28:22.446 We have theater kid nerd conned out and, and not really that different 00:28:22.896 --> 00:28:28.896 um, and we had a great time and, but now it's time for us to con our hearts 00:28:28.896 --> 00:28:35.406 out once more, at Gary and Game Hole and GenCon and, uh, Pax Unplugged. 00:28:35.448 --> 00:28:37.158 Matt: And maybe the Canadian one. 00:28:37.603 --> 00:28:39.103 Alison: Oh my gosh, yes, the Canadian 00:28:39.553 --> 00:28:39.793 Matt: break 00:28:39.968 --> 00:28:40.298 Alison: out. 00:28:40.531 --> 00:28:42.758 Breakout Con, I, I've never been to Canada. 00:28:42.938 --> 00:28:45.098 I've never been to Wisconsin and I've never been to Canada. 00:28:45.098 --> 00:28:48.196 And these seem like ideal reasons to go to these places. 00:28:48.553 --> 00:28:49.273 Matt: Yes, yes. 00:28:49.273 --> 00:28:49.603 yes. 00:28:50.503 --> 00:28:55.303 Um, Alison, I feel like we should probably say goodbye so that they 00:28:55.303 --> 00:28:57.793 hear that we love them so much. 00:28:57.793 --> 00:28:59.023 We love you guys so much 00:28:59.498 --> 00:28:59.858 Alison: We do. 00:29:00.133 --> 00:29:05.623 Matt: That anybody would listen to a, podcast about ADHD and D&D and gain any, 00:29:05.893 --> 00:29:10.243 any kind of enjoyment from it, which we did not expect you to and still don't. 00:29:10.333 --> 00:29:11.293 Like, you don't have to. 00:29:11.323 --> 00:29:16.573 There's no, But the fact that you did and, and do it just made 00:29:16.573 --> 00:29:17.723 my year, my whole freaking year. 00:29:17.723 --> 00:29:17.853 It 00:29:17.853 --> 00:29:19.788 Alison: warms the cockles of my cold, dead heart. 00:29:20.758 --> 00:29:21.778 Matt: Yes, yes. 00:29:22.003 --> 00:29:22.543 Yes. 00:29:22.548 --> 00:29:23.133 Mm-hmm. 00:29:23.233 --> 00:29:31.303 So Happy birthday 18 podcast and uh, we'll come back in season two. 00:29:31.448 --> 00:29:32.408 Alison: coming at you. 00:29:33.068 --> 00:29:33.278 Woo. 00:29:33.673 --> 00:29:35.113 Matt: Come on at you in season two. 00:29:35.348 --> 00:29:35.648 Alison: Yeah. 00:29:35.828 --> 00:29:36.668 Yeah, Yeah. 00:29:36.728 --> 00:29:37.628 Season two. 00:29:37.778 --> 00:29:38.678 Season two. 00:29:38.828 --> 00:29:39.428 Season 00:29:39.583 --> 00:29:40.693 Matt: on At you in two. 00:29:40.693 --> 00:29:43.303 What what what coming at you in season two. 00:29:43.483 --> 00:29:44.833 Come on at you in season two. 00:29:51.393 --> 00:29:51.883 Yeah. 00:29:51.938 --> 00:29:52.498 Alison: the love of God. 00:29:52.498 --> 00:29:52.978 Turn it off. 00:30:00.463 --> 00:30:01.033 Matt: Oh my 00:30:01.158 --> 00:30:01.388 Alison: Oh