1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:13,760 Welcome to the We Are More podcast. 2 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:15,640 My name is Alyssa. 3 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:16,640 And my name is Bri. 4 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:20,640 We are two sisters passionate about all things faith and feminism. 5 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:25,520 We believe that Jesus trusted, respected, and encouraged women to teach and preach His 6 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:26,520 word. 7 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:28,720 And apparently that's controversial. 8 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:36,320 It's a bit comfy. 9 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:37,320 Hello. 10 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:38,320 Hello. 11 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:43,040 It is hot. 12 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,640 It is hot. 13 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:49,560 It has been in the 90s in Michigan this week. 14 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:50,960 This will be in your past. 15 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:51,960 Yeah. 16 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:52,960 Have you survived? 17 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:53,960 Have we? 18 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:56,600 We may not. 19 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:57,600 Future selves. 20 00:00:57,600 --> 00:00:59,160 Are you alive? 21 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:00,920 Also make better life choices. 22 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:01,920 Yeah. 23 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:02,920 Move away. 24 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:03,920 Where? 25 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:05,920 Where's colder than this, Brie? 26 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:07,800 I don't know. 27 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:08,800 You guys want to move to Florida. 28 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:11,400 Yeah, but at least you're in Florida. 29 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:15,440 Like you have a pool and an ocean and Disney. 30 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:18,640 Here it's just hot and miserable. 31 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:20,600 The Michigan people are going to come for us. 32 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:21,600 Pure Michigan. 33 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:22,600 Pure Michigan. 34 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:23,600 Thanks, Tim Allen. 35 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:24,600 Yeah. 36 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:26,600 You really put us on the map there. 37 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:30,040 Also all of the lakes that we live in between. 38 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:31,320 I don't recall those. 39 00:01:31,320 --> 00:01:33,040 Where are we? 40 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:34,460 But we are sitting in here. 41 00:01:34,460 --> 00:01:36,560 This is how committed we are to you guys. 42 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:39,760 We're sitting in this room with no fans going. 43 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,200 We don't have air conditioning in the house. 44 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:48,720 We have those sad cooling towels that you get at Disney around our necks. 45 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:49,720 Don't throw us. 46 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:50,720 Don't out us. 47 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:54,520 I'm just saying, we're very committed to our craft. 48 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:56,760 We might as well be recording outside. 49 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:00,320 I mean really, except for the birds would kill the point of the no fans. 50 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:01,320 Because you got pooped on today. 51 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,560 I did, a bird pooped on me today. 52 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,160 And not like a gray poopon, like an actual poopon. 53 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:07,160 What? 54 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:09,680 I just recently watched that commercial. 55 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:11,240 They have a commercial? 56 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:12,520 Yeah, have you seen it? 57 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,080 They're like, I poop on my barbecue. 58 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:16,360 I poop on my chicken. 59 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:18,400 Isn't that one of the Super Bowl commercials? 60 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:19,400 It may have been. 61 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:20,400 I think it's old. 62 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,800 I feel like that's striking a memory. 63 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:23,800 Anyway. 64 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:27,440 I could sing another song related to the sound of music. 65 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:28,440 Oh god. 66 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:29,440 But I won't. 67 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:31,800 Good, because that's a terrible song. 68 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:32,800 It is terrible. 69 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:34,160 And I'm really hot. 70 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:35,160 Yeah. 71 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:36,160 It's raw. 72 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:37,160 In both ways. 73 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:41,600 So in this mini episode, this is our third mini episode, right? 74 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:42,600 Yes. 75 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:46,040 So we did one on Harrison Butkern's Stupid Speech. 76 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:47,040 Butkern. 77 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:50,520 You made that joke every time. 78 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:57,480 We had one come out a couple weeks ago on Bridgerton, which was a super fun one to record. 79 00:02:57,480 --> 00:02:58,480 That was super fun. 80 00:02:58,480 --> 00:02:59,480 Yeah. 81 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:00,480 We got some really good quotes out of that one. 82 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:01,480 We did. 83 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:07,600 And today we're going to be talking a little bit about AI and its impact on women. 84 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:08,600 AI! 85 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,040 AI is freaking everywhere. 86 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,480 It's in my workplace now. 87 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,840 We're using it for monitoring patients. 88 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:17,840 It's crazy. 89 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:25,040 And I'm in the marketing, editing sphere, and it's just everywhere. 90 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:26,520 You can't get away from it. 91 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,160 We use it to edit the stinking podcast. 92 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:32,560 Sometimes is it my voice or is it AI's voice? 93 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:33,560 You'll never know. 94 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:40,160 If it says something stupid, it's free! 95 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:41,160 So it's me all the time. 96 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:42,160 Yeah, it's pretty much always you. 97 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:44,920 I haven't been able to figure that feature out. 98 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:50,720 We use an editing software that has the option, if we talk over each other to fix it with 99 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:56,520 AI or if we mispronounce a word or whatever, although we've confused it a lot. 100 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:58,760 Caffele, you think it knows how to say that? 101 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:00,600 No, it's not biblical. 102 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:02,560 This is not a biblical editing software. 103 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,720 They'll come out with that eventually. 104 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:06,720 Maybe we will. 105 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:07,720 Maybe. 106 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:09,440 But we will not pronounce it. 107 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,000 We'll find somebody else. 108 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:18,680 Anyway, so we've seen that explode in, I mean, everywhere. 109 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,040 You can't get away from AI, I know. 110 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:26,520 And so we wanted to talk a little bit about that because Brie saw this crazy TikTok video 111 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:28,120 and sent it to me the other day. 112 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:29,840 I got swindled. 113 00:04:29,840 --> 00:04:30,840 You did? 114 00:04:30,840 --> 00:04:32,520 I just got swindled by AI. 115 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:34,280 There was, okay, I'm addicted to TikTok. 116 00:04:34,280 --> 00:04:35,520 I will confess. 117 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:39,960 I spend many hours a day on the tics and the tocs. 118 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:44,160 And I saw this video come through that was Kim Kardashian and she was announcing that 119 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:48,000 she was transitioning. 120 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,400 She was going to be Mr. Kim Kardashian. 121 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:51,400 Yeah, transgender, right? 122 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:52,840 And I was like, holy cow. 123 00:04:52,840 --> 00:04:57,400 And they had these images of her essentially in drag, which I don't know if that's the 124 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:00,000 appropriate term or not. 125 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,000 So I sent it to you. 126 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,000 But it wasn't true. 127 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,160 It was all AI. 128 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:09,880 They're able to AI people's faces, manipulate their voices, make it look like it's a 129 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:10,880 legit video. 130 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:15,360 It looked like an interview and it was based off of an interview that she did, but that 131 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:16,640 is not what she said. 132 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:22,360 Yeah, I think I looked into it and it was like an interview where she said she was transitioning 133 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:23,360 into acting. 134 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:24,920 What's yay for her? 135 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:28,600 I mean, no, the world does not need that. 136 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:36,480 But like, instead, they made it say that she was transitioning into a man. 137 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:40,260 And the only way that I caught on to it at all is I was reading through the comments 138 00:05:40,260 --> 00:05:43,920 and people were like, I can't find this anywhere else. 139 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:46,040 Why can't I find this interview? 140 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:51,440 And then somebody did find the interview and posted what it actually said. 141 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,520 Leave it to people on the internet. 142 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,720 They are like little detectives out there. 143 00:05:57,720 --> 00:05:59,800 Yeah, it's crazy to me. 144 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:05,200 And in this particular case, yes, you have people that can kind of seek it out and whatever, 145 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:10,200 because she's famous enough that if you fake something, there's enough of a record that 146 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,000 people can go back. 147 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:17,960 But how can something like this where you can edit a voice, you can edit a picture, 148 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:24,160 you can edit a video affect someone who doesn't have the resources to prove that it's not 149 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:25,160 true? 150 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:26,160 Right. 151 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:27,160 Well, there's a term for it now. 152 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:28,160 It's called deep fakes. 153 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:29,160 We looked it up. 154 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,800 It's essentially what we're describing right now. 155 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:39,640 Using AI to manipulate videos, photos, voices to do or say whatever you want. 156 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:44,520 And it's super dangerous, not just to women, but we'll be talking about it relating to 157 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:45,520 women. 158 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:46,520 Because that's what we do. 159 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:47,520 I am a woman. 160 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:48,520 Hear me? 161 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:49,520 Sigh. 162 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,520 Well, that's going on TikTok. 163 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:57,960 Yeah, I've lost my train of thought now. 164 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,960 It's so hot. 165 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:07,080 Have you seen that video of Taylor Swift? 166 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:11,760 Like she was performing Brazil or somewhere like extremely hot. 167 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:17,460 And in between songs, she's just like gasping for breath and all of a sudden the music hits 168 00:07:17,460 --> 00:07:19,040 and she just snaps back into it. 169 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:20,040 I don't know how she does that. 170 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:21,720 I don't know, because I would pass away. 171 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:23,760 I am not built for heat. 172 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:24,760 No. 173 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:28,880 When I go and buy makeup, I buy the lightest shade of foundation they make. 174 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:30,640 I was not built for the sun. 175 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:31,640 You are translucent. 176 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:32,640 I am. 177 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:33,640 I was born for the moon. 178 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:34,640 You're a citizen of the moon. 179 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:35,640 Now we've gone weird. 180 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,640 That's from Parks and Recreation. 181 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,960 Anyway, back on topic. 182 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:49,640 So the issue, honestly, when we were looking up what should we talk about for this podcast, 183 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:54,640 the reason that this topic came up was because I was thinking about AI, deal with AI every 184 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:56,360 day at work. 185 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:01,560 And I looked up, all I did was how does AI affect women? 186 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:07,200 And I was thinking not about this necessarily, but about like in the workspace, because you 187 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:11,840 see a lot of women in marketing, things like that, that it would kind of displace workers. 188 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:20,200 But to think that this is going to disproportionately affect women in being manipulated with pictures 189 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:21,200 and videos. 190 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:26,080 They say it's a new form of sexual harassment or assault against women or men too. 191 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:27,080 Absolutely. 192 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:28,760 Yeah, it can, I mean, for sure be used against men. 193 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:35,040 I think we just see it more likely as happening to women because pictures, videos, things 194 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:39,560 like that have already been so disproportionately used against women. 195 00:08:39,560 --> 00:08:44,440 I was listening to a podcast before we started recording this that said that that happened 196 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:45,440 to Taylor Swift. 197 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:49,760 Actually, a bunch of AI generated nudes came out of her. 198 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:53,880 Yeah, like super explicit, like nasty stuff. 199 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:59,400 And if that's happening to Taylor Swift, think about what's happening to kids in school, 200 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:01,360 to minors, to like all kinds of stuff. 201 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:02,360 It's super disturbing. 202 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:05,640 Well, and I mean, you think what can that be used against? 203 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,160 All they have to get is a picture of your face. 204 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:10,720 And how many pictures of our faces are out there? 205 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:15,120 Well, you have to scan your face every time to open your phone. 206 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:19,680 And we post things on social media because you think, well, it's Facebook and I've got 207 00:09:19,680 --> 00:09:20,680 it all locked down. 208 00:09:20,680 --> 00:09:22,120 Yeah, it's private. 209 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:23,120 Right. 210 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:26,560 So you have your profile pictures up there, your cover photos up there. 211 00:09:26,560 --> 00:09:30,040 Do you really know every friend that you have? 212 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,240 I have a lot in purgatory. 213 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:33,920 You do. 214 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:35,800 Several old men in purgatory, actually. 215 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:36,800 Yeah. 216 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:38,280 Well, think of why they've friended you. 217 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:40,320 Because I'm beautiful. 218 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:43,680 Yeah, that's it. 219 00:09:43,680 --> 00:09:50,840 But it's just, it's one of those things that is so scary about the world today. 220 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,680 How do you even protect yourself from it? 221 00:09:53,680 --> 00:09:57,320 You can't be totally not online at all. 222 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:00,280 That's not really an option in today's world. 223 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:01,280 Everything's online. 224 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,200 You have to have a Google account to walk into Myer. 225 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,560 Which is a store by us, by the way. 226 00:10:07,560 --> 00:10:10,840 I know, that always throws me off that other people don't know what Myer is. 227 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:11,840 A grocery. 228 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:13,480 A grocery. 229 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:17,720 I wish that we had some big, like there was a big message here of like, here's how to 230 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:21,520 protect yourself from the use of AI. 231 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:24,760 I don't know that that's a thing yet. 232 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:26,560 I don't think it is. 233 00:10:26,560 --> 00:10:33,460 I think AI is so like still experimental and people are still figuring it out. 234 00:10:33,460 --> 00:10:37,120 But people need to be really wary of it, I would say. 235 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:45,280 And for the women out there, as sad as it is, and as much as this is always the advice, 236 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:47,640 you have to keep your guard up. 237 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:51,480 You have to be even more careful. 238 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:54,400 And that shouldn't be what it is. 239 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:55,400 No. 240 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:59,880 You shouldn't be worried that the kid next door to you is going to sneak a creepy picture 241 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:03,640 of you and throw it all over the internet. 242 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:09,360 Well one of the things I wanted to talk about too, of how pictures are generally used against 243 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:10,400 women. 244 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:14,520 So an example of this even before AI. 245 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:20,160 So again, this is even bigger of a problem with AI, but it's not a new problem because 246 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:22,160 of AI. 247 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:27,560 I'm not sure if you guys have heard this story, but there was a woman, her name was Micah Miller, 248 00:11:27,560 --> 00:11:30,720 and she... 249 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:32,280 She unalived herself. 250 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:33,280 Yeah. 251 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:35,840 She unalived herself, unfortunately, recently. 252 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,480 A few months ago. 253 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:50,000 And her story goes that she was married to this pastor, and he was incredibly abusive. 254 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,400 She was very vocal about him being abusive as she was trying to leave. 255 00:11:53,400 --> 00:12:02,620 Other people were aware of the situation, and she had told people close to her that 256 00:12:02,620 --> 00:12:05,100 if she ever died, it was him. 257 00:12:05,100 --> 00:12:06,640 He did it. 258 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:15,880 Now part of the abuse from him was that he had convinced her to send nude pictures, and 259 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:19,320 I don't know the nature of the nude pictures, but they were married. 260 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:27,040 There's nothing inherently wrong with that, except that he had forced her to send them. 261 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:32,200 It wasn't like she wanted to, and that was just part of their relationship. 262 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:37,880 He had forced that out of her, and then he used those pictures to blackmail her. 263 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:38,880 That's horrible. 264 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:39,880 Yeah. 265 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:43,200 Now the rest of the story, I would highly recommend looking it up. 266 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:45,200 It's very important. 267 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:53,600 It's a very important story, I think, because as Brie said, I don't know how to say that 268 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:54,600 without it being... 269 00:12:54,600 --> 00:13:00,840 That's what they say on TikTok, because if you say anything, they take it down. 270 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:04,880 And it was ruled that that's what happened. 271 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:08,560 Now you can decide for yourself whether you think that's actually what happened or not. 272 00:13:08,560 --> 00:13:09,560 A lot of people do not. 273 00:13:09,560 --> 00:13:16,280 A lot of people think her husband was at fault, but either way, from the abuse... 274 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:18,360 I think regardless, he was at fault. 275 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:19,860 She was driven. 276 00:13:19,860 --> 00:13:29,000 Even if he didn't do it, he drove her to it with a lot of manipulation, a lot of hatefulness. 277 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,720 And this man was a pastor. 278 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:35,960 It doesn't get more disgusting than that. 279 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:40,240 And to look at that situation and know that was without the use of AI. 280 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,240 That was just manipulation. 281 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,800 And that was a man who was married to this woman, supposed to love her, supposed to care 282 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:50,340 for her, and he pulled this crap. 283 00:13:50,340 --> 00:13:52,000 So what happens now? 284 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:55,040 Now that the whole avenue is open? 285 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:56,040 One of the podcasts... 286 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:59,160 I don't know that this necessarily relates to what we're talking about, but one of the 287 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:07,600 podcasts was also saying that it's not just making images of people or exploiting them 288 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:08,880 in that way. 289 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:10,560 It's also historical. 290 00:14:10,560 --> 00:14:16,800 So you can take voices of old presidents, you can take voices of people of importance, 291 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:21,040 you know, and make them say what you want them to say. 292 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:26,640 So there's a video going around of Nixon's voice essentially saying that the moon landing 293 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:30,160 never happened, but it was all AI generated. 294 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:32,320 But people don't know that. 295 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:37,800 And unless you do some serious digging, you think, well, I found my evidence. 296 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:41,600 But how much more can you do with anything else? 297 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:46,640 One of the podcasts that I was listening to was saying so many people are arguing that 298 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:53,840 like, well, it's not as offensive because these AI images of women that they're stealing 299 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:56,840 or creating aren't real. 300 00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:00,000 But they are real in very real ways. 301 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,120 They are really going to affect someone. 302 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:08,720 And it's if you really want a picture of someone that's just not real, don't use someone's 303 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:10,320 face. 304 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:12,520 Why do you need her face in there? 305 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:17,440 If you're just computer generating something that doesn't affect her in any way. 306 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:24,740 And let's talk about the issue of consent, like she never consented to be in your pictures, 307 00:15:24,740 --> 00:15:27,120 or at least get her consent to do that. 308 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:28,120 Right. 309 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:29,120 Exactly. 310 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:30,120 Yeah. 311 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:33,720 I mean, I struggle with a lot of this stuff. 312 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:35,720 But consent matters. 313 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:39,840 It absolutely matters and more than just the ways that you're thinking. 314 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:46,680 Even if you choose to keep these AI generated images or videos or whatever to yourself, 315 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:51,360 if she didn't consent, that is still assault. 316 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:56,440 That is still and the law will have to catch up to these things. 317 00:15:56,440 --> 00:16:02,760 However, there are laws in place for essentially sexual manipulation. 318 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:11,080 I remember when we were younger in our area at one of the schools, students sent around 319 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:15,040 some pictures of another student and they were both minors. 320 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:20,800 She was minor, he was minor, and he sent it to one person who sent it to the next person 321 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:22,040 who sent it to the next person. 322 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:26,880 And eventually the whole school had access to this picture. 323 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:33,580 And a lot of people faulted her for having taken the picture in the first place. 324 00:16:33,580 --> 00:16:36,840 That it was somehow something that she had done wrong. 325 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:43,560 Now that's insane because no matter what she's chosen to do, that boy had absolutely no right 326 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:45,800 ever to share it. 327 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:46,800 No. 328 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:48,880 Because again, consent. 329 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:54,680 But with the advent of AI, you now no longer even have that excuse. 330 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:55,680 Nope. 331 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:58,000 Because she never made the picture. 332 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,440 She never sent you the picture. 333 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:02,260 Maybe you pulled it offline. 334 00:17:02,260 --> 00:17:04,880 Maybe you snuck a creepy picture while you were at work. 335 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:09,420 Whatever it is, she didn't send you a nude photo. 336 00:17:09,420 --> 00:17:12,200 She didn't send you an inappropriate photo. 337 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:19,160 I feel like on some level we're making like, here's the scary world. 338 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:26,520 But I think what the purpose of this podcast, at least for me, is just awareness of the 339 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:27,760 situation. 340 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:35,280 For women to be aware that it could happen and to be cautious and to kind of steal up 341 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:39,160 for in case that happens to you, what would you do? 342 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:40,160 How would you handle it? 343 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,920 And I don't know what to tell you in that scenario. 344 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:47,340 It's horrific and I hope that you would be able to press charges. 345 00:17:47,340 --> 00:17:53,520 But also for men, to make them aware that this is not okay. 346 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:54,520 No. 347 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:57,160 Not in any world is it okay. 348 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:03,400 I think it's easy to convince yourself that anything you do in the walls of your home 349 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:05,080 is your business and it's fine. 350 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:08,040 The devil is great at justifying terrible behavior. 351 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:13,040 And at the end of the day, just because you're doing something in private doesn't make it 352 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:14,040 okay. 353 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:17,520 I think about who else is this affecting? 354 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:21,080 It's not just you if you're stealing those pictures offline. 355 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:25,240 Even if, again, even if it's someone you don't know. 356 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:29,720 Celebrities, strangers, it's not okay. 357 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:33,360 Well you think because I never have to interact with that person, they're never going to know 358 00:18:33,360 --> 00:18:38,680 me that this makes it fine, but it doesn't. 359 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:40,080 It doesn't. 360 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:44,760 People think that celebrities, because they live their lives so out in the open and publicly, 361 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:46,400 they have some kind of right to them. 362 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:47,400 And you don't. 363 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,000 You never have rights to someone else's body. 364 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:51,600 Even if it's a picture. 365 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:56,760 I'm interested to see how this situation progresses. 366 00:18:56,760 --> 00:19:02,840 Because at least from where I'm sitting, we at work have AI detectors. 367 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:07,880 So I'll have a writer send me in an article and I can run it through an AI detector to 368 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:12,600 tell me essentially did chat GPT write this article. 369 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:19,760 So it'll be interesting to see do those things pop up for videos or pictures and how that 370 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:20,880 functions. 371 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:24,220 The future has some great technology ahead of it. 372 00:19:24,220 --> 00:19:31,120 For us we use it to track people's dental hygiene and how their teeth are tracking within 373 00:19:31,120 --> 00:19:32,120 design. 374 00:19:32,120 --> 00:19:33,800 It's a very cool system. 375 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:37,800 It tracks for like a hundred different, I don't know, it confuses me. 376 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:40,360 Like, it is cool. 377 00:19:40,360 --> 00:19:47,080 And using it in that way where you can make someone's life better, awesome. 378 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:48,840 When you're using it maliciously. 379 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:53,920 Well, it can be such a tool that you can utilize. 380 00:19:53,920 --> 00:20:01,120 Like for the podcast and our editing software, it saves me so much time. 381 00:20:01,120 --> 00:20:05,480 Like the reason that we're able to do these mini episodes is because we use an editing 382 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,960 software that automatically filters out all the times we say it. 383 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:09,960 Which is a lot. 384 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,520 And I'm going to have to tell it not to filter that one out. 385 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:15,040 Leave that one alone. 386 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:21,920 And honestly, like, you guys don't hear it as much, but we say it a lot. 387 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:25,960 We say a lot of ums and we edit out a lot of crap for you guys. 388 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,240 You're welcome. 389 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:34,440 And that software allows me to do it quickly and simply without spending four years in 390 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,920 this un-air-conditioned room trying to deal with it. 391 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,400 To be honest, this may be the end for me. 392 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:41,400 It may pass away. 393 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:48,520 We have an hour long episode to record after this. 394 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:53,960 And now a song. 395 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,880 Don't trust a hole whenever trust a hole. 396 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:00,960 I think that's the opposite message that we want. 397 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:05,520 I think something that's important to bring up is like, if you see something, and this 398 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:11,400 is like the oldest, well maybe not the oldest phrase in the book, always be cautious of 399 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,600 what you see on the internet. 400 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,760 Don't assume that what you see is real. 401 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:20,600 Don't assume Kim Kardashian is going to be a man. 402 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,440 Yeah, because she'd be wrong. 403 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:23,440 I'd be wrong. 404 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:24,440 I'd be dead wrong. 405 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:28,120 And don't share it with people if you don't know that's true. 406 00:21:28,120 --> 00:21:32,960 On the plus side, I think TikTok filters a lot of these things. 407 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:36,440 And they're trying to filter the use of AI in a big way. 408 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,400 We'll see how that works. 409 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:46,320 And if you see something or you see another person that you know using this in a bad way, 410 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:47,620 confront them. 411 00:21:47,620 --> 00:21:49,760 It's okay to say that's not okay. 412 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:50,760 Right. 413 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:55,920 Well, I think, you know, in Christian circles, they say that P star RN. 414 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:57,920 Yeah, there you go. 415 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:02,680 P star RN is just massively prevalent. 416 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:06,000 It's just everywhere in Christian circles. 417 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:11,520 And I think it's because you, it's because of what I just said. 418 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,900 You think God doesn't care about what you do in private. 419 00:22:14,900 --> 00:22:18,400 Or maybe not that he doesn't care, but that it's not as bad. 420 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:19,400 Right. 421 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:20,400 God cares. 422 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:21,400 God cares. 423 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,260 God cares how you treat people. 424 00:22:24,260 --> 00:22:31,080 He cares about the woman that you are assaulting, that you don't think you're assaulting because 425 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,480 you've justified it in your head. 426 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:40,640 But this is all outlined for us in the Bible, where God says, love each other, love your 427 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,900 neighbor, love your brothers and sisters. 428 00:22:43,900 --> 00:22:46,320 If you truly love someone, you don't treat them like this. 429 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,660 Would you want someone doing that to you? 430 00:22:48,660 --> 00:22:50,200 Or your child? 431 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:51,200 Or anyone you love? 432 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:52,200 Or your friend? 433 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:53,200 Yeah. 434 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:57,400 If you respect yourself in any way or anybody you love, you wouldn't. 435 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:01,000 I think it's easy to lie to, like people will say, well, I wouldn't care. 436 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:02,000 I wouldn't care. 437 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,440 And that justifies it for them. 438 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:08,040 And I understand that that is probably going to be the justification for a lot of people. 439 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:09,920 Why wouldn't care if someone did this to me? 440 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,180 It doesn't really matter if you wouldn't care, would they care? 441 00:23:13,180 --> 00:23:14,400 Did you ask them? 442 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:15,400 Yeah. 443 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:16,400 Did you ask them? 444 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:17,600 I'm going to guess you didn't. 445 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:18,860 I'm going to guess you didn't. 446 00:23:18,860 --> 00:23:23,400 And if they found out what you were doing, would you feel ashamed of yourself? 447 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,440 Would you try to hide what you're doing? 448 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:31,000 Because if you're trying to hide it, you probably know that it's wrong. 449 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:37,840 My concern too is, we think about this as the gross people that are kind of at the bottom 450 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:39,160 of society and whatever. 451 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:40,160 It's not. 452 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:41,160 It's not. 453 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:42,160 It's not. 454 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:43,160 It's pastors. 455 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:44,160 It is. 456 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:45,160 It's your neighbor. 457 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:49,200 It's your boss. 458 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,200 I don't know. 459 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:58,640 Well, that's why I hate saying to women, be careful, watch yourself, be more cautious 460 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,160 around men. 461 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:08,200 We didn't do an episode on the bear analogy, but if you haven't heard it, it's essentially 462 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:13,920 asking women, would you rather run into a bear or a man if you were walking alone in 463 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,080 the forest? 464 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:21,920 And most women, I would say a huge percentage of women said that they would rather run into 465 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:22,920 the bear. 466 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:28,760 And that's been very controversial because men have said, well, not all men are bad. 467 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,120 And that's, no one is saying that all men are bad. 468 00:24:32,120 --> 00:24:34,520 I don't think anybody is saying that. 469 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:35,520 Maybe like two people. 470 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:39,720 But like, I don't think that's the prevalent message here. 471 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:47,320 The message is that we have to be careful of every single man. 472 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:53,640 Because even if it's one in a hundred, one in a thousand, if I'm not careful, I'm likely 473 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,120 to be the next victim. 474 00:24:56,120 --> 00:24:58,220 And I'm not willing for that to happen. 475 00:24:58,220 --> 00:25:04,120 So I have to be careful of all 100 men instead of just the one. 476 00:25:04,120 --> 00:25:10,880 Because we've been conditioned to be that way too, because most women have run into 477 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:16,640 situations in their life where they've run into men and been treated inappropriately. 478 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,480 Whether that be like physically or verbally. 479 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,320 I think that's probably universal. 480 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,440 Like I don't think there's many women out there. 481 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,200 Well think back to like the Me Too movement. 482 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,360 People kind of, especially like the Christian circles kind of- 483 00:25:29,360 --> 00:25:30,360 They villainized it. 484 00:25:30,360 --> 00:25:35,360 They villainized it because they were like, well, I don't know what they were saying. 485 00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:40,200 That should show you how big of a problem this is. 486 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:41,200 Right. 487 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,120 Well there's that song, is it Dua Lipa? 488 00:25:44,120 --> 00:25:46,040 Boys Will Be Boys? 489 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:53,760 So one of the lines in that is, sick intuition that they taught us so we won't freak out. 490 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,720 And that is so- I listened to it today. 491 00:25:55,720 --> 00:26:03,520 That is so impactful because you think back as a little girl. 492 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:10,240 We were taught if there's a man in the aisle at the grocery store, don't go in that aisle. 493 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:14,860 If you're walking in the parking lot, have your keys between your fingers. 494 00:26:14,860 --> 00:26:18,840 If you're walking back from class, have your pepper spray out. 495 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:23,800 When you walk in your house after you get home from work, don't turn all the lights 496 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,360 on right away because you don't want people to know when you get home. 497 00:26:27,360 --> 00:26:30,960 And I don't think either of us are saying that this can't impact men also. 498 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:36,240 It's just from our perspective, what women were taught. 499 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:42,200 And unfortunately, our mothers and our grandmothers had to teach this to us. 500 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,800 There's no fault there in them teaching it to us. 501 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,960 They had to, but why did they have to? 502 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:54,400 Because we haven't taught our boys to respect women from the jump. 503 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,720 Is that a bad way to say that? 504 00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,720 From the beginning. 505 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:04,000 Exactly, that's exactly it. 506 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:08,100 And you can see that move through society. 507 00:27:08,100 --> 00:27:09,280 And so it needs to be addressed. 508 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:10,880 It needs to be called out. 509 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:15,480 People need to say to men, we expect more of you. 510 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:19,640 So I guess maybe that's the purpose of this podcast, not to scare women, not to say like 511 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:24,240 you need to have an exit plan, whatever, but to tell men, I don't know how many men are 512 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,320 listening to our feminism podcast. 513 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:27,320 Hello, men. 514 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:28,320 Nathan's listening. 515 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:29,320 Hello, man. 516 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:34,320 Hey, maybe your boyfriend Curtis is listening. 517 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:39,320 Curtis, are you still in want of a wife? 518 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:47,400 Anyway, but for the men out there, if you hear this, if someone sends it to you, do 519 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,240 better. 520 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,240 Not just for you. 521 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:52,240 Maybe you're doing great. 522 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:53,240 I don't know. 523 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:54,840 Yeah, I'm assuming you are. 524 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,080 Do amazing things. 525 00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,240 Tell your sons to do better. 526 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,760 Tell your friends to do better. 527 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,800 Check in on them and make sure they're not behaving this way. 528 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:09,560 Because it's like, remember the song from Warrior Kids, This Little Light of Mine? 529 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,480 I'm gonna let it shine. 530 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:12,840 Who's gonna sing now, Alyssa? 531 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:13,840 I'm not gonna sing. 532 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:14,840 You're gonna sing. 533 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:15,840 I just did. 534 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:16,840 You did. 535 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:24,200 But it's like if you have, if you as a man, because you have more influence in the circles 536 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:31,260 with the other men, if you decide that you're going to be a better person, that you're going 537 00:28:31,260 --> 00:28:35,480 to be above this kind of behavior, that you're gonna fight for the rights of women, let that 538 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:40,240 light shine, and then maybe it affects just one other person. 539 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,600 And then they take that and it affects two other people. 540 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,640 It's like, what is that movie where the kid did one good act and then- 541 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:47,640 I know what you're talking about. 542 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,600 But all I can say is the giving tree. 543 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,600 Nope, that's not it. 544 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,480 It has fully escaped my brain. 545 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,160 But yeah. 546 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:57,160 The Perfect Gift? 547 00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:58,160 No. 548 00:28:58,160 --> 00:28:59,160 That's not it. 549 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:00,160 Anyway. 550 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:01,760 Eat, Pray, Love? 551 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,720 That is definitely not it. 552 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,720 So let your light shine. 553 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:09,720 That's the message. 554 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:13,480 I got all I need when I got you and I. 555 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:14,480 Flashlight. 556 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:19,560 Alright guys, we're gonna wind this down because I am going to die of a heat stroke at any 557 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:20,560 moment. 558 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:21,560 I've already gone. 559 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,520 Bree's talking from the grave. 560 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:24,520 The Beyond. 561 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:25,520 Ah. 562 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,360 We listened to the Haunted Mansion theme song today. 563 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:28,360 You have a problem. 564 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,360 I can't wait to go. 565 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:31,360 I know. 566 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:32,360 Very excited. 567 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:33,360 Sarah mentioned it to me today. 568 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:34,360 She goes, Bree! 569 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:35,360 It's coming up so soon! 570 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:36,360 Are you excited? 571 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:37,360 And I was like- 572 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,360 It's like, are you more excited than me? 573 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:41,360 Maybe. 574 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:42,360 Alright. 575 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,160 We'll see you guys next time- actually, we'll see you guys in about five minutes when we 576 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,040 record the next episode. 577 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:52,240 If you notice some consistency in like, oh, they sound like they're gonna die. 578 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,120 We recorded these two episodes at the same time. 579 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:55,120 Don't worry. 580 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:56,120 Back to back. 581 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:57,120 Alright. 582 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:58,120 We'll see you guys soon. 583 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,120 Bye!