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Coming to you from crash studios
in Music City, USA, Nashville.

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This is the rich Redman show.

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What's your iPhone, your wash
your clock on your wall of your

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old fashion? It's correct. It's
time for another exciting

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episode of the rich Redman show.
Yeah, where we talk about all

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things like music, motivation,
success. These are the things

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that drive us, inspire us,
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Jim is doing some really
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this is long time overdue. And
we have such history. So I get

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today's guest all to myself, and
we're gonna get into it. Hailing

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from Minneapolis, Minnesota,
funky town, but calling LA home

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since 2000. Today's guest is a
drummer, speaker and educator.

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He is also the world's first
polyvagal informed professional

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drummer, the first polyvagal
informed professional drummer on

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the planet. Our friend, Adam
gust, what's up my friend? Hey,

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Reg, rad man, good to see you
again. What a history we have

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man. We went to the University
of North Texas at the same time,

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I was there 93 to 90 Ba what
were was that your exact exact

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same? Yeah. And you were getting
your undergraduate degree right?

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Yeah, yeah, I never I man I was
so in love with Keith Carlock, I

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was like, man, he left I'm gonna
leave. Yeah, I never graduated.

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He never graduated. It was the
Berkeley model.

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Is that it? Yeah, I just wanted
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gigs every night and when that
became an option, I really just

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wanted to become the best
drummer. I could and I saw that

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as the best way to do that. So
well dude, you put in the work

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and a lot of us had practice
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North practice himself. I got
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I told you but

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it had been 28 years but last
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same brown brick. Not much has
changed. Of course the city of

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Denton has changed but that
music business Oh, you get the

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you get the willies. You know,
thinking about oh, I got

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barriers coming up. I got to
play this excerpt on the

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xylophone. I got to play this
excerpt on the vibraphone. I got

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to go in and I got to play this,
this jazz piece for Ed sofa and

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he's just going to be
deconstructing me and fighting

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me. And it was just got it so
but at least 20 years later, I

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was like, Oh, I'm an
accomplished professional. I

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actually wrote a couple of
books. I'm actually gonna be

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talking about my book today. You
don't have to worry about any of

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this stuff. But it was cool man
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the corrals. I remember the
marimba corrals were nice. They

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were really musical. Yes. I
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Yeah, we had to like did you
ever study timpani mallets and

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snare drum with Ron Fink? Yeah,
so Ron Fink wrote one of my

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method books. I'll never
remember it. Never forget it.

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Rich. You are like a great
sportsmen always hunting and

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fishing for the notes.

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Get it but I wish I wish I had a
little splash symbol.

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So anyways, you left so but you
were you were in the lab and

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program and then you I believe
you were in. Were you in the

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zebras. The Fusion AI did that.
Yeah, and bad. I've done all of

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your audience knows. But I
remember you having to be the

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sub drummer or the practice
drummer for the Zappa percussion

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ensemble, which was extremely
challenging music. You're in the

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one o'clock lab band, you're
also doing top 40 backbeat blues

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gigs. I mean, you could have
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I know you definitely kind of
facilitated towards being the,

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you know, World's Best Country
drummer. But yeah, I mean, I

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just find your audience to know,
man, when I knew you. You were

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doing it all. Oh, thank you,
man. Well, they, you know, it's

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the same thing. My my model was
like you were kind of modeling

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yourself after Keith. And of
course, I knew I had a practice

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room next to Keith and I used to
subform in Dallas, brass and

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electric major shoes to fill.
But I was like, Man, this kid is

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going to go to New York City or
Los Angeles is going to change

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the world. Of course he did. My
career model was just a guy like

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the, you know, Gregg Bissonette,
which is like prepare to play

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everything and see where the
world takes you in for some

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reason. By just asking a simple
question in 1997, I asked to a

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guy named Dan Nelson who's
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called Soul tsunami is one of
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Friday, Saturday, working strip
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bands. It's like I need a I want
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or an international gig. I got
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said, man, there's this chick
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looking for a drummer and then
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It's led me towards Nashville.

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And your your, your path was you
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possible. You got a lot of
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Dallas has a healthy, vibrant
music scene. You and I played in

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the same band. I played in a
band called random access, and

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you did as well. Yeah, that's
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was in between us and yeah, I
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And Keith Carlock and Wojo went
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New York, and suddenly there was
more session work at the time.

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And yeah, yeah. Oh, that was
actually an ideal time to be a

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professional drummer. Like a
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Yeah, we'll put some money away
and move to LA in 2000. I'm so

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glad that you got to put some
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those gigs. They paid like 80
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private parties paid like 175 or
so. And of course, this was 25

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years ago. But still, that
doesn't go very far. You know?

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My rent was stupidly cheap at
the time I remember. Yep. So you

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ended up moving to the LA area
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Blair cinta and

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who else correct PPE ILO. Yeah,
all those guys. Everybody went

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on to greatness playing with
Atlantis Morissette or P yarn or

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Frankie Valli. And so So you
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remember there was one gig that
I believe you and Craig shared

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it was called the Red Elvis's
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was your first gig in Los
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touring job. So I was doing the
home studio recording and

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playing I remember I was doing a
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East LA which was great fun to
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that time in my life. No, yeah.
But yeah, they were touring

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constantly and Yeah, crazy
story. Right Elvis's they moved

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to LA from Russia. And they
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Promenade on the street and Star
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and had him on Star Search. And
then they won and they took the

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money and bought a van and
started touring and bringing

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this Russian surf rock music to
the world. And yeah, I tour

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toured with him for eight years
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and Russia. Yeah, it was it was
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Russia. I don't know if that's
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fun, especially at the time,
right? Yeah, I played Live Aid

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for 40,000 people in Red Square
televised around the world. That

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was a trip. Wow, that was
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ever played. So yeah, coming
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bills stacked up when I got home
it was really kind of saw both

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ends of the music life you know.

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I got arrived to play this huge
gig in Red Square. I remember

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like opening the door and seeing
the stack of bills like oh,

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there's goes all my money.

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So that's a roller coaster this
life we have. Well, I'm also

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very curious about this time
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Blair has been on the show. I
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show. But he was talking about
you know, playing smooth jazz

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gigs. And you were playing this
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when you say like,

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East LA are you talking about
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of Los Angeles where you're like
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remember. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, the
hop in City of Industry. That

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was a fateful night. But um,
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looked around for gigs and there
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that circuit doing weddings and
casuals and club dates and it

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was great, great band, and then
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sit in and after their gigs and
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ended up playing a lot of salsa
kumbaya like wouldn't have

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expected me that but yeah, it
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to read all of a sudden came
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they kept paying me more every
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years and finally quit that and
yeah, had some fateful stuff

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happened half Yeah, that's
right. That's right. That's

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right. Now I remember talking to
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to Los Angeles like once a year
so without Dean I remember one

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time we were fortunate enough to
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Blues on Sunset Of course, that
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apartment complex, our business
building a lot of glass it's so

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sad that we lost it in another
venue but I remember meeting you

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one night for a cocktail there
and I think you were with the

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right Elvis at the time and we
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we're in the back room and the
sun had set and we were looking

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out at the City of Los Angeles
was so sexy having a drink and

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we were talking about you are
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But in 2010 2011, or 2012, in my
murky my memory? Yeah, that was

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2010. I was putting together a
curriculum, I was in the middle

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of shooting it and editing it.
And yeah, then I had this

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accident on a gig and that
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process. I remember that. Okay,
so so that was right before that

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happened now. Now, let me ask
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of, I don't know if you would
like to discuss it. But it seems

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to be the gateway the the hinge.

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That is that set up all this
incredible research and study

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and this personal journey that
you've been on? So is there

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something you want to talk
about? Or? Yeah, I mean, it was

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really the doorway to what has
opened up these dreams that I

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never knew I had. So yeah, and
there's just amazing things that

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I'm really excited about that
have nothing to do with drumming

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that I'm more excited about that
then like whatever gig I might

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get now, so Right. Yeah, I mean,
it's really Yeah, like you said

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that doorway. So yeah, I'm open
to talking about it. Yeah. Well,

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I mean, I kind of assumed that
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of this talking about your,

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about this event that occurred
and leading for you to become

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now a speaker and an educator.
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is so popular with drummers. I
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COVID, we got together at
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Hollywood, we had a little bit
of a bite and a chat. And we

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talked about head x's. And
during COVID, I wrote a TEDx and

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I just gotta get off my butt and
do it in person. But you

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presented one at the University
of Mississippi called The

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Science of groove. This was your
first presentation about the

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vagus nerve, which is our
nervous system superhighway. And

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I've watched it several times.
And it's incredible. So tell us

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about the event and or the TED
Talk and this research in this

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new system of drumming that
you're coming up with somatic

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drumming and the idea of the
dystonia and the brain body

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system that we have. And this
concept of biometrics, I'm just

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gonna let you have the floor for
a bit because you're so so well

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spoken on this. And if no one is
watching this on the YouTubes,

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or listening to this, I'll just
say that Adam is handsome as

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ever. He's wearing a pinstripe
suit. And he looked, hey, you

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know, you look much better with
short hair. You look great. Oh,

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well, thanks. Yeah, I guess.
Yeah, I've been reading a lot of

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research papers. And it's funny,
I was starting to feel more like

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a doctor than a drummer these
days. So maybe the hair suits me

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this way. But yeah, that area of
the wellness has really been

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transforming lately, largely
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advances in research. And
especially in the 90s, there was

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a huge shift in how we were able
to get imaging of our nervous

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system and how it works, how
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brain to the body work instead
of just snapshots, were able to

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actually watch it like movies.
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preconceptions we've had that
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now things that we used to think
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realize now Whoa, okay, no,
we've had it completely

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backwards for hundreds of years.
So, yeah, and I've kind of got

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into this through this accident
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tension problems that I now
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been symptoms of musicians focal
dystonia, a neurological

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disorder that only happens. And
during certain tasks, which for

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musicians, it's when you play
music. So yeah, it can be really

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frustrating because you're
perfectly fine when you're not

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at the drums and then when you
sit down then this tension

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happens which is a really kind
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you see a drummer playing with
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but think, you know, the word
amateurish comes to mind, you

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see some kid got all tensed up
playing like, oh, yeah, iron

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grip on the stick, and like you
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as a professional. And so I
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and started feeling amateurish.
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challenging. So there was a six
year period where this this

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tension would manifest in your
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play. And you were you were
facing extreme frustration

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because you have been, you know,
practicing and perfecting your

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craft, you know, all these years
and you have a beautiful stroke

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and touch and tone you achieve
on the instrument. So to have

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something that's taking you off
course that you don't have

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control over had to be
incredibly frustrating. Yeah, it

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just kept compiling. Felt like
it kept getting worse, as you

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know, I would hope it would get
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And it just didn't didn't
actually it was interesting. A

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mutual friend of ours, Mark
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me like, you know, I remember
talking to him like man, I can't

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believe it took me six years to
arrive at this solution and Mark

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is just like, dude, that six
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That is money. I mean, if you
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this the next day, it would have
been like, Oh, I've had this

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problem got a solution I didn't.
And I'm moving on. And he's

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like, man, that grit, you know,
that's what connects people with

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what happened to you? Is that
frustration? And he's like, You

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should really relish those six
years, because that's what gives

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you the fire now that you have
and well, that is great, great

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insights from our friend, Mark.
Yeah, things are easy. That's

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really not really there isn't
really a story, their

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struggle in the grind that
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the solution.

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I'll, I'll just do the talking
for you. Because I know it could

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be somewhat emotional, and you
were just, you just about

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celebrated the 10 year
anniversary of this thing

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happening. But

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2010, you're playing a gig in
Palm Springs, you're having a

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great time, you're getting ready
to set up, you don't notice

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there's a playground glass
window, you walk through it,

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there's glass, there's blood,
it's a disaster, the doctor says

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you got cast on both your hands,
no drums for a year. And then

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this tension problems start to
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And it seemed like that in 2016,
there was a turning point when

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you took a gig on a cruise ship,
and you felt like you wanted to

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learn the language of your
nervous system. Sure, that's a

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lie.

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But I've never heard somebody
speak it back to me like that.

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Thank you. Yeah.

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You know what I know, it can be
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tumultuous,

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and traumatic thing. But this is
what led to all this research

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that you're doing in this whole
beautiful chapter of your life

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where you are a scientifically
informed drummer. And now as

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speaker, you're a speaker that
happens to play the drums, and

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you're a drummer that happens to
be able to effectively

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communicate on a very specific
subject. So I applaud you for

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setting yourself up for your
next 20 years, because this is a

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youth oriented business. And
it's always something very smart

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to have another 2345 irons in
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And you're doing that yeah,
what's

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cheers Yeah, what's coming up
for me the next three years,

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I've never been more excited
about anything in my life. It's

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really a dream come true. Some
opportunities that are happening

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starting, can you tell us? Can
you tell us right now? Yeah,

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yeah, well, I'll set it up a
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this misconception I've had
about something we all

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understand to be mental
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you've mentioned motivation
earlier. And we all think, okay,

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you have to be mentally tough to
be able to accomplish something

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to be able to perform at a high
level. And there was something

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that I didn't quite understand
about that, that I'm working on

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now is like, what is supporting
our mental toughness, and its

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emotional toughness? I mean,
there, I think there's a

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threshold. It's hard to talk
about sometimes, but there is a

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threshold that we can become
emotionally overwhelmed,

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depending on the level of the
circumstance. Absolutely. Yeah.

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And so our emotional toughness
needs to supersede the level of

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challenge of our circumstances.
And so it's one thing to think

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of, yeah, you know, practicing
hard and trying to get to the

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top of the mountain. But what
happens when that challenge

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inevitably, inevitably confronts
us? Do we have the emotional

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toughness to overcome that? And
so that I don't hear that being

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spoken enough about? And that's
really what I want to approach

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that because I think real
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person at the top of the
mountain, and 50%, looking at

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the person at the bottom of the
ocean, how did that person pull

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themselves up? You know,
they're, they're both using the

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tools of their nervous system to
achieve greatness, and to bounce

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back from extreme adversity. And
so I love Tim Ferriss take, you

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know, what, what if he did the
exact opposite? You know, like,

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okay, we're looking at these
great achievers, you know, what

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if we looked at the exact
opposite of great achievers, and

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that would be people who are
suffering the deepest traumas,

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you know, what are the tools
that those people are being

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held, you know, facilitated what
how are they pulling themselves

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up and so that's really the
research that I want to study

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which is why I'm super excited
to have been accepted into the

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somatic experiencing trauma
healing practitioner, three

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years certification and the
biggest hero in my life, Betsy

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politan, an unbelievable
embodiment worker is going to be

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my contact for my case studies
and individual sessions and Muay

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Thai just can't wait. I can't
wait not a master's degree or a

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doctorate. This is something
outside of the university

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system, but it's a a training
program. That's going to take

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three years. Yeah, yeah. So
there are eight different one

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week trainings in person and
then in between your work with

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with the clients, you take those

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that case study work and work
individually with a mentor. And

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to think that I'll get to work
individually with Betsy is two

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weeks. I mean, five years ago,
when I came to learn about her

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work, I was like, I want to be
the Betsy politan of drumming.

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And she was at Boston University
at the time, but she recently

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moved to LA. And so now the
timing is worked out for me to

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study with her, and I can't
wait, that is incredible. And

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see. So for me, I am I am over
educated in the sense that I did

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seven, at least seven years of
higher education, I don't have a

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desire to go back at all. But
you bounced that year three or

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four, and you lived your life
for 25 years, and now you're

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incredibly excited about
something and you're jumping

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into the deep end of the pool?
And so and then will you make a

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little money in the process? Or
is this you're gonna have to

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make your money elsewhere. And
then this is a labor of love for

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three years. So for the first
year, you are a student, and

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then for the second two years,
you're in training. And so the

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typical thing is you would do
half the hourly, you would as a

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completed practitioner, a
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practitioner, they tend to make
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would you know, the first year
I've, it's going to be mostly

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about building my program, which
is going to be a focus on sports

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psychology. So I really want to
look at especially Gabrielle

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Wolff, he's a sports
psychologist, and there's

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embodied cognition in sports
psychology, MIT has a program,

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and the big piece of it is
rehabilitation, you know, these

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star athletes that there's
inevitably some sort of injury

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that happens and how that's the
big piece? How do they

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rehabilitate. And so using that
new research from the sports

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medicine realm, and bringing it
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if that's going to be kind of
that's why I'd really, really

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like this kind of metaphor, the
top of the mountain and the

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bottom of the ocean, like those
same tools you use to get, you

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know, pull yourself up and also
get to the top. It's the same

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nervous system, and it's the
same tools of resilience. And so

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that's what I want to be
studying. All right, so what

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now I have heard you say that
resilience is essentially

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healing in real time. Yeah, but
what is this embodiment that you

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speak up? What is that? Exactly?
embodiment is mind body

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connection. Gotcha. And so for
hundreds of years, in

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particular, since Rene Descartes
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there's been this privileging of
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even to the extent that
neuroscience neuro means nerve

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science is the study of the
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think it'd be the whole body,
but neuroscience is the brain.

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body has just been considered
this kind of meat wagon that

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hauls the brain around. And now
we're understanding how much

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information starts in the body.
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the feeling happens in the body
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reacts. And that's really been
tipping the paradigm. Wow. So

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you I also have heard you
mentioned that trauma, I love

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acronyms you can have it as an
acronym was essentially teaching

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resilience and understanding
mindful awareness. So you are.

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So again, trauma is teaching
resilience and understanding

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mindful awareness. So this is
going to be essentially the crux

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of your work. You're in the
right city for the for the

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athlete thing, because let's
face it, drummers are athletes.

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And, you know, you're going to
have all the paperwork to back

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up the fact that yeah, oh my
god, I'm going to be able to

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work with all those any of the
athletes in these famous sports

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teams in Los Angeles, and they
probably are going to love the

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fact you're like,

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my guy that works with me is
actually a kick ass drama. Have

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you seen this guy shred on the
drums? I mean, you're like a

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killer like fusion chops
drummer. I mean, you can do the

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hotel Cafe scene and backup
singer songwriters and play next

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to nothing, but you can play
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so I think that's going to be
like very exciting for your

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clients in the future. Thanks.
Yeah, actually, you mentioned

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polyvagal informed drumming
there is this research of the

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vagus nerve that has been really
changing the outlook of a lot of

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healing modalities and semi the
vagus nerve, it stems up from

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all of our internal organs and
goes up to our brain and 80% of

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it is sensory information. So
when we talk about mental

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toughness, like 20% is coming
from the brain down to our body

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through this incredibly
intricate and highly kind of

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influential nervous system and
80 percents coming up. And so

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really, we need to tune in to
what that information is. And we

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used to think that it was

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All nonsense for the longest
time because right the brain is

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the center of the universe, but
we're seeing how easily this

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brain is swayed by this thing
called an effect. So an effect

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is pure biological information
before it becomes emotion and

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feeling. And so you can you can
understand the effect by through

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biometrics and Neurofeedback
brainwaves, heart rate

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variability, blood oxygen skin
galvanic response, how our pores

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respond to stress. And if you
remember anything from middle

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school science class, there's
the biology of the sympathetic

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nervous system and the
parasympathetic nervous system

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fight or flight, rest and
digest. And we used to think

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rest and digest was just this
thing that was kind of kept us

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calm, and then fight or flight
is really the activation of

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emotion. But that's not true.
There are these two sides to the

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parasympathetic nervous system.
That one is really very deeply

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embedded in healing, health,
growth and restoration. And

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that's what the vagus nerve
does. Interesting. Interesting.

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am I right in saying that
there's something to fight fight

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or flight with us as these human
animals

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that, like it almost speaks to
inform of like, people that are

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positive, or negative. As a
general rule, I feel like people

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almost have to work so hard to
be positive because our first

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setting is the fight or flight.
We're as cavemen we would be

435
00:26:31,110 --> 00:26:35,880
like, woolly mammoth, Saber
toothed Tiger run, and then 24

436
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:40,830
hours a day, we're on high alert
to not end up being a meal.

437
00:26:41,130 --> 00:26:43,770
Right. So that's kind of
ingrained in our DNA.

438
00:26:44,940 --> 00:26:50,130
Yeah, it is. But I would suggest
that the Neanderthal or more

439
00:26:50,130 --> 00:26:55,620
ancient humans, they had better
access to their parasympathetic

440
00:26:55,650 --> 00:26:59,340
nervous the non fight or flight
attributes that we all have been

441
00:26:59,340 --> 00:27:02,640
endowed with, I believe they
could sink into that much easier

442
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,810
than we can now in modern world
why I think I think media tends

443
00:27:06,810 --> 00:27:09,990
to because we had no idea the
Mandela had no idea what was

444
00:27:09,990 --> 00:27:13,530
happening outside of his field
of vision. And so and it did

445
00:27:13,530 --> 00:27:15,900
wasn't worried about his bank
account. It wasn't worried about

446
00:27:15,900 --> 00:27:19,050
anything. He wasn't about
comparison, comparing himself to

447
00:27:19,050 --> 00:27:21,960
some other person on Instagram.
Well, yeah, they're doing a Jew

448
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,810
huge recording session today,
Capitol Records. I'm just

449
00:27:24,810 --> 00:27:26,340
practicing Peridots.

450
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,020
Remember, I remember playing
Bruce's steak house with my

451
00:27:31,020 --> 00:27:34,110
cumbia band. And I was like, I
wonder what Keith Carlock is

452
00:27:34,110 --> 00:27:37,200
doing right now and looked up
his itinerary. He's like, Oh,

453
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:38,580
he's at Royal Festival Hall.

454
00:27:40,020 --> 00:27:45,000
Playing the Royal Albert Hall.
Right? Yeah, ya know, just like,

455
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,640
Okay, I'm gonna play my Bruce
and steakhouse gig.

456
00:27:48,660 --> 00:27:52,950
Says, Keith know, what an
influence he was on you. I've

457
00:27:52,950 --> 00:27:56,040
talked to him a few times. He's
He's a bit aloof of a guy. I

458
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,340
mean, he's a monster drummer.
biggest, greatest respect for

459
00:27:59,340 --> 00:28:02,220
him ever. But I'm sure he has
people to tell him what an

460
00:28:02,220 --> 00:28:05,040
influence he has all the time.
So he is hard to get ahold of He

461
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:06,870
lives up.

462
00:28:08,010 --> 00:28:11,400
Fit 20 minutes from me, and we
never run into each other. You

463
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,870
know? It's crazy. Yeah. You
know, but Okay, so you feel like

464
00:28:15,870 --> 00:28:18,630
early man we had was more tapped
into that.

465
00:28:20,190 --> 00:28:24,120
You know, we never discussed
this. But you know, this, the

466
00:28:24,360 --> 00:28:27,300
trauma. And there's something
Yeah, trauma, we talked about

467
00:28:27,300 --> 00:28:27,930
the acronym.

468
00:28:29,580 --> 00:28:32,730
You know, when our band was in
Vegas, and we ran for our lives

469
00:28:32,730 --> 00:28:33,840
at that festival.

470
00:28:35,670 --> 00:28:39,360
There's really nothing but
gratitude in our organization,

471
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:43,710
because there's 60 People that
are completely healthy, that

472
00:28:43,710 --> 00:28:46,650
were seemingly unaffected by
that event, yet, there's 58

473
00:28:46,650 --> 00:28:49,680
People that are dead, there's
546 people that are injured,

474
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,080
their lives are changed forever.
They're in wheelchairs, they're

475
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,230
disabled, horrible. It's a
horrible day in human history.

476
00:28:56,190 --> 00:29:01,920
We just ran. And I'm sure that
there is some sort of lasting

477
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:08,220
effects of PTSD. And I'm a very
positive person, but there's

478
00:29:08,220 --> 00:29:10,470
probably things that I'm
carrying around with me that I

479
00:29:10,470 --> 00:29:14,820
don't notice. Is that a
possibility? Like for the guys,

480
00:29:14,820 --> 00:29:18,600
for me, and the guys in my band
that we're like, we're fine. You

481
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,010
know what I mean? There's this,
they're like, maybe you should

482
00:29:20,010 --> 00:29:22,650
talk to, I went and talk to
somebody, I had two or three

483
00:29:22,650 --> 00:29:25,080
sessions where I talked to
somebody, I figured, like, this

484
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:26,910
is smart to do while it's fresh,
go,

485
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,110
go talk to somebody. And you
know, maybe there's a couple of

486
00:29:31,260 --> 00:29:36,240
guys in my band that didn't
because we as men are like, be

487
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,260
tough, man. You know what I
mean? But maybe that's not the

488
00:29:40,380 --> 00:29:43,590
way the best way to handle
things. Yeah, well, I mean,

489
00:29:43,590 --> 00:29:48,300
psychotherapy talk therapy has
shown to be effective in healing

490
00:29:48,300 --> 00:29:52,950
folks. And I would say that's,
you've read the effected like,

491
00:29:52,950 --> 00:29:55,860
what does it mean to be
affected? Well, in Western

492
00:29:55,860 --> 00:29:59,970
culture, that would be some
Clearly observable sign. And so

493
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,270
Well, okay, well let's let's
talk about this aspect, what is

494
00:30:03,300 --> 00:30:06,390
an effect? What's going on in
our body? That's unobservable.

495
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,120
So there would have been a more
traditional view of it. Well, if

496
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:13,050
you can observe it, why bother?
You know, if it's not something

497
00:30:13,050 --> 00:30:16,710
that's immediately, you know, is
some something like truth is

498
00:30:16,710 --> 00:30:20,610
purely cerebral and like,
unconscious. It's like mucky

499
00:30:20,610 --> 00:30:24,390
muck. You know, that's kind of
this, what Rene Descartes would

500
00:30:24,390 --> 00:30:27,210
say. And that's been the
paradigm that's been follow that

501
00:30:27,210 --> 00:30:30,840
our education systems politics,
everything kind of follows that.

502
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,590
But this this thing of an effect
this go, that's what's going on

503
00:30:34,590 --> 00:30:37,950
on our body, there's a, there's
kind of a metaphor I've been

504
00:30:37,950 --> 00:30:41,400
teasing out that I think
drummers would get, especially

505
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:45,060
recording drummers, because so
okay, I have some drums here, I

506
00:30:45,090 --> 00:30:48,330
do online tracks, I have, like
12 microphones, there's all

507
00:30:48,330 --> 00:30:51,090
these signals coming from these
microphones, and they're going

508
00:30:51,090 --> 00:30:54,720
through my interface and preamps
and going into Pro Tools. Right?

509
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:58,590
Okay. Well, that's so that's
signal flow. And so what's going

510
00:30:58,590 --> 00:31:01,500
on in the signal, you know,
there's also some noise, there's

511
00:31:01,500 --> 00:31:04,800
a level of noise in every
signal, there's the noise floor,

512
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,430
there's the signal to noise
ratio. And so you might not hear

513
00:31:08,430 --> 00:31:13,020
the noise, when you first bring
it up up in Pro Tools. But when

514
00:31:13,020 --> 00:31:15,960
you slap a compressor on it, you
know, something that lowers the

515
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,480
highs and brings up the lows.
Oh, when you bring up those

516
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,810
lows, suddenly like, Whoa, there
is this noise? And there's like

517
00:31:21,810 --> 00:31:25,080
a hum, yeah, yeah. And it's like
that wasn't there before. And so

518
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,320
in an experienced engineer would
say, Oh, well, my compressors

519
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:32,400
broken, the compressor is the
issue. And an experienced

520
00:31:32,550 --> 00:31:36,270
engineer will be like, Oh, okay,
we found the noise floor that

521
00:31:36,270 --> 00:31:39,600
was in the signal. And so an
effect is kind of like this

522
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:43,260
noise floor, this thing that is
coming up in our sensory

523
00:31:43,260 --> 00:31:46,230
information. And we didn't, we
weren't quite aware of it until

524
00:31:46,230 --> 00:31:50,880
this external compressor kind of
caused some compression in our

525
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,150
lives. And suddenly this, this
tension came up, and then we're,

526
00:31:54,150 --> 00:31:56,970
then we were aware of it. And so
we think externally, we think

527
00:31:56,970 --> 00:32:00,030
the compressor, the external
circumstance did this. But it

528
00:32:00,030 --> 00:32:03,480
was really in us all along.
Because it's kind of a sad state

529
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,840
of affairs, we're only
consciously aware of point

530
00:32:06,870 --> 00:32:13,500
000 4% Of all the sensory
information in our body, that's

531
00:32:13,500 --> 00:32:18,900
all we can actually consciously
be aware of one 2500, wait,

532
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:25,560
we're only we're only conscious
of that small amount of

533
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,730
information, informational
awareness in our environment, or

534
00:32:29,730 --> 00:32:33,720
you're saying in our body, both.
So anything that's external,

535
00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:36,690
anything that six senses that
we're taking in from our

536
00:32:36,690 --> 00:32:39,750
externally and then all of the
internal information, all of the

537
00:32:39,750 --> 00:32:43,950
reflexes, all the kind of wisdom
in our stomach, and our heart

538
00:32:43,950 --> 00:32:47,280
and our lungs, all this is
coming up to the brainstem. And

539
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,040
then it gets routed into the
midbrain, the limbic brain. And

540
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,310
then these brain, Pete, these
parts of the brain decide what

541
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,870
the cortex the conscious brain
should be aware of. And so this

542
00:32:57,870 --> 00:33:02,400
noise floor is always there. But
it oh, we only become aware of

543
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,700
it, when it gets triggered by a
compression by some sort of

544
00:33:05,700 --> 00:33:09,090
stress in our environment. And
so when we dig into an effect,

545
00:33:09,090 --> 00:33:11,430
when we really start kind of
sussing out what I'd like to

546
00:33:11,430 --> 00:33:16,500
think of the SEO, like, you have
2500 search, you know, kind of

547
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,010
things come up in a search, and
you can only see the top one,

548
00:33:20,220 --> 00:33:24,420
like your SEO better be badass.
And so I like to return the SEO

549
00:33:24,420 --> 00:33:28,080
is sensory evaluation
organization, you kind of have

550
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,170
to reorganize, like what do I
really need to know about these

551
00:33:31,170 --> 00:33:35,040
2500 pieces of sensory
information, which is most vital

552
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:39,570
to me. And so exploring that is
a deep exploration that I'm just

553
00:33:39,570 --> 00:33:43,380
beginning to scratch the surface
on and I started noticing things

554
00:33:43,380 --> 00:33:46,230
and other people now that I
understand neurology better and

555
00:33:46,230 --> 00:33:49,140
all these kind of natural
reflexes. And when you start

556
00:33:49,140 --> 00:33:52,770
noticing Unnatural Reflexes in
people, you know, that that's

557
00:33:52,770 --> 00:33:56,580
some emotion that is imprinted
in their nervous system. I mean,

558
00:33:56,580 --> 00:34:00,840
like someone being snappy or
grouchy, or

559
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,880
just having rage.

560
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:11,340
Yeah, of functional expression
of stress, I would say. So I

561
00:34:11,340 --> 00:34:15,030
mean, stress happens to
everybody. And so we're having a

562
00:34:15,030 --> 00:34:19,710
response that will elevate are
kind of our I guess, our, our

563
00:34:19,710 --> 00:34:22,620
bodies bank account, kind of
like how we're allocating the

564
00:34:22,620 --> 00:34:25,920
money, the resources of our
effect, like, are we using our

565
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,650
money well, or do we have these
subscriptions that are kind of

566
00:34:28,650 --> 00:34:32,610
taxing us that aren't doing as
well. And so I started noticing

567
00:34:32,610 --> 00:34:35,490
things while you're kind of
burning, this energy that isn't

568
00:34:35,490 --> 00:34:38,640
functional for you, it's not
serving you. And there's these

569
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,570
and that's really kind of the
essence of somatic experiencing.

570
00:34:42,570 --> 00:34:45,330
You start noticing these
unnatural reflex patterns, these

571
00:34:45,330 --> 00:34:50,280
on conscious reactions, and you
make the make the pay of the

572
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:55,530
client aware of them. And are is
the client able to desist like

573
00:34:55,530 --> 00:34:59,580
is it because we should only be
doing what we intend, right and

574
00:34:59,580 --> 00:34:59,970
so forth.

575
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,570
Doing something unintentional,
that's taxing our biological

576
00:35:03,570 --> 00:35:07,170
resources, our money, let's say
our aspect is our body's money.

577
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:11,160
And so how are you using our
bodies money should be, you

578
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,440
know, you should be using it
wisely. And when you see

579
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:17,220
somebody spending it unwisely, I
want to help that person. And

580
00:35:17,250 --> 00:35:20,790
I'm starting to become more
tuned in to how to be a witness

581
00:35:20,790 --> 00:35:24,900
like that. Awesome. And now, so
you've been studying all this?

582
00:35:25,110 --> 00:35:28,950
This is probably you're on what
year four or five of this deep

583
00:35:28,950 --> 00:35:34,200
research 17. So yeah, about
seven years it was it was pretty

584
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:38,190
clumsy. At first, a lot of it
was just an embodiment podcast,

585
00:35:38,190 --> 00:35:40,680
and just realizing there was
this entire world of

586
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:44,760
practitioners out there helping
people to kind of use less of

587
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,420
their bodies money in a fashion
inefficiently. And I was like,

588
00:35:48,420 --> 00:35:53,190
wow, that's valuable counseling
people to not waste their body's

589
00:35:53,460 --> 00:35:57,030
resources. And so then I've
started learning polyvagal

590
00:35:57,030 --> 00:36:01,110
theory and somatic experiencing.
And finally, I got certified in

591
00:36:01,110 --> 00:36:03,900
polyvagal theory a few years
ago, I've been mentoring with

592
00:36:03,900 --> 00:36:07,380
the polyvagal Institute. And it
was mostly with sports folk. So

593
00:36:07,380 --> 00:36:10,950
the first cohort I was in it was
people working with athletes in

594
00:36:10,950 --> 00:36:14,160
the world cup. And so this fight
or flight is interesting,

595
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,760
because right before you get to
fight or flight is where you

596
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,490
want to be as an athlete. So
once you go into fight or

597
00:36:20,490 --> 00:36:23,250
flight, and you're activating
the sympathetic nervous system,

598
00:36:23,370 --> 00:36:26,550
you are burning your fuel
inefficiently. Because it's

599
00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:29,730
meant to be a short burn, like
we were meant to get into fight.

600
00:36:29,730 --> 00:36:32,970
And that fight should be over in
minutes. But if like for the

601
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,840
duration of a entire event, if
you're stuck there, by the time

602
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,660
you get to the fourth quarter,
you're you know that you're

603
00:36:39,690 --> 00:36:43,080
depleted more than you need to
and so these trainers I was

604
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,750
working with, they help athletes
to understand, okay, what am I

605
00:36:45,750 --> 00:36:49,650
burning? And efficiently? How do
I tuck in just below I get it to

606
00:36:49,650 --> 00:36:53,010
activate the sympathetic nervous
system. And so how can I still

607
00:36:53,010 --> 00:36:56,430
be at peak performance and not
burn my resources excessively?

608
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,510
And so then, so that's kind of
the performance angle of that,

609
00:37:00,510 --> 00:37:04,260
that sports psychology embodied
cognition. And the trauma angle

610
00:37:04,260 --> 00:37:08,550
is How can I not burn my
resources and efficiently when

611
00:37:08,550 --> 00:37:13,200
I'm trying to heal? How can I
focus my energy on resilience

612
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:17,400
and kind of coming back from
adversity? Yeah. So

613
00:37:18,630 --> 00:37:21,810
and so it's all through the eyes
of a drummer, which is

614
00:37:21,810 --> 00:37:25,860
incredible. You saw something
that was first a you were

615
00:37:25,860 --> 00:37:28,980
looking for practical solutions
to your particular problem, you

616
00:37:28,980 --> 00:37:31,620
fell in love with the subject
and along the way, you say, Oh,

617
00:37:31,620 --> 00:37:35,820
my God, there's so many
commonalities between this and

618
00:37:35,820 --> 00:37:38,880
drumming, and you're like, Oh,
my God, I can be one of the you

619
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,780
know, it's, there's not a lot of
guys in your lane. So you are

620
00:37:42,780 --> 00:37:45,720
going to be the torchbearer of
something very, very special.

621
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,090
Let me ask you this, now that
you're learning more about

622
00:37:48,150 --> 00:37:50,700
psychology, biology,

623
00:37:52,050 --> 00:37:57,210
all all that stuff, the
scientific mind, when you sit

624
00:37:57,210 --> 00:37:59,970
down to play your drums, and you
just want to land into a?

625
00:38:02,340 --> 00:38:08,310
Are you overthinking things or
scientifically? Or is it

626
00:38:08,310 --> 00:38:14,850
assisting your pursuit as a
musician, a musician that plays

627
00:38:14,850 --> 00:38:18,330
the drums, that's my favorite
thing about it is that I love

628
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:22,680
playing so much more, because it
feels better. Because I've

629
00:38:22,710 --> 00:38:27,750
really understand these ways to
find what my effect levels are,

630
00:38:27,750 --> 00:38:31,830
how is my body functioning away
from the drums. And so I started

631
00:38:31,830 --> 00:38:34,080
to have a range of motion as
important for this the

632
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:37,230
relationship between breath and
heart rate, there's a really

633
00:38:37,500 --> 00:38:40,620
crucial piece like I mean, if
you take your finger and put it

634
00:38:40,620 --> 00:38:44,670
against your jugular, you can
feel your heartbeat. And so I'd

635
00:38:44,670 --> 00:38:48,420
like try to tap your heels on
the ground, along with your

636
00:38:48,420 --> 00:38:52,680
heartbeat. And this is x, Taro
ception, external perception,

637
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,860
your feeling your heartbeat. And
the big piece is to be able to

638
00:38:55,860 --> 00:39:00,450
pull your fingers away and still
feel your heartbeat, and tap

639
00:39:00,450 --> 00:39:04,470
your heels. So that's
interoception as being being

640
00:39:04,470 --> 00:39:06,930
able to feel your heartbeat
inside you, which is really the

641
00:39:06,930 --> 00:39:10,290
cue for your emotional state.
And once you can do that, and

642
00:39:10,290 --> 00:39:12,720
you can say, Wow, okay, I'm
checking out my heart rate right

643
00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:17,550
now, which probably like one in
about 30 people roughly can have

644
00:39:17,550 --> 00:39:20,760
that level of interoception. Or
they can just focus attention to

645
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:24,150
their heart and know the pulse
and be able to use that as their

646
00:39:24,150 --> 00:39:26,760
metronome. And so that's
something I've been working on

647
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,940
with breathwork and so when I
bring that to the drums now I

648
00:39:29,940 --> 00:39:32,760
realize oh, there are kind of
these seven default things that

649
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:37,260
happen physiologically in my
body that are a cue that I'm

650
00:39:37,260 --> 00:39:40,050
kind of going into fight or
flight and so I just like I'm

651
00:39:40,050 --> 00:39:42,510
playing something simple. Okay,
where's my heel? Where's my

652
00:39:42,510 --> 00:39:45,150
shoulder and my shoulders up?
Are they forward? What's my

653
00:39:45,150 --> 00:39:49,290
heart rate was face is a heat
the brain face connection is

654
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,800
very intense. It's hard to
broadcasting emotional state the

655
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,070
vagus nerve that goes along
well, expressions of the vagus

656
00:39:56,070 --> 00:39:59,280
nerve go along our eyes and
along our mouth fairing

657
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:00,000
laryngeal fare.

658
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,410
NGL and then ear is actually
interesting. It's the vestibular

659
00:40:04,410 --> 00:40:09,060
cochlear nerve, its balance and
hearing are in the same channel.

660
00:40:09,090 --> 00:40:12,870
And so what we hear affects our
balance. And so yeah, and so a

661
00:40:12,870 --> 00:40:16,470
loud noise is going to bring our
heels up. And so anytime we get

662
00:40:16,470 --> 00:40:19,920
past a certain dynamic level
that might trigger a kind of

663
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,920
orienting reflex, we need to be
as particularly sure Okay, where

664
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,190
are my heels? How what's the
separation between how I'm using

665
00:40:26,190 --> 00:40:29,850
my thigh muscle and my calf
muscle, my lower abdominals and

666
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,730
well sphincter, it's a very
important

667
00:40:33,750 --> 00:40:38,340
sphincter for the man it is such
a jump, man, if you can try to

668
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,310
compress all the air out of your
lungs with your lower abdominal

669
00:40:41,310 --> 00:40:45,540
and still make sure that your
pelvic floor is the more polite

670
00:40:45,540 --> 00:40:48,270
term for it. But if that's
relaxed, and you can

671
00:40:48,270 --> 00:40:50,970
differentiate tension in these
kind of muscle groups that are

672
00:40:50,970 --> 00:40:54,180
close to each other, that is
really important in somatic

673
00:40:54,180 --> 00:40:59,130
work. Wow. So what will be the
definition of the of the

674
00:40:59,130 --> 00:41:02,190
polyvagal theory and somatic
drumming?

675
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,310
Oh, the definition of it. Yeah.

676
00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:10,170
augmenting your resources,
really maximizing how you use

677
00:41:10,170 --> 00:41:14,730
your body and finding and
finding cues that are

678
00:41:14,730 --> 00:41:18,870
indications that you're in a
physiological state that's not

679
00:41:18,990 --> 00:41:22,230
appropriate for your conditions.
I mean, there's sometimes there

680
00:41:22,230 --> 00:41:25,590
is going to be a time where you
need to activate. And you know,

681
00:41:25,590 --> 00:41:29,520
you need to run or you need to
fight but like the stage fright

682
00:41:29,550 --> 00:41:33,090
is a big one for a lot of us
like I think an imposter

683
00:41:33,090 --> 00:41:36,600
syndrome. There's like this
trigger from the body that goes

684
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,780
into fight or flight. And by the
time it goes through our

685
00:41:39,780 --> 00:41:42,960
brainstem or a particular
activation system, the midbrain,

686
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,900
it gets to the cortex, the
conscious expression of a

687
00:41:45,900 --> 00:41:48,570
feeling of fight or flight is
that I don't belong where I am.

688
00:41:48,780 --> 00:41:52,050
And the brain often translates
as I don't belong here. I'm

689
00:41:52,050 --> 00:41:56,190
inferior. It's an inferiority
complex. Did you? Did you ever

690
00:41:56,190 --> 00:41:58,650
struggle with that and during
your journey in Los Angeles?

691
00:41:58,950 --> 00:42:01,950
Yeah, I mean, I always thought
of myself as the low rent Keith

692
00:42:01,950 --> 00:42:04,920
Carlock, and there's a lot of
truth to that. I mean, I would

693
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,430
have taken any of his scraps,
right? Like on a purely

694
00:42:09,180 --> 00:42:12,330
objective level, it kind of
suited me I mean, I didn't think

695
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:16,380
I'd ever be is I mean, that guy,
man. Oh, my God, dude. Like, you

696
00:42:16,380 --> 00:42:20,160
know, musicians like that come
along, like once every 20 years

697
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,950
or so, like, you know what I
mean? Like, it's like, you can't

698
00:42:22,950 --> 00:42:25,740
really compare. Like when I had
to go sub for Keith with the

699
00:42:25,740 --> 00:42:28,110
Dallas, brass and electric, it's
like, well, look at I'm gonna, I

700
00:42:28,110 --> 00:42:33,660
can only do me, because there's
only one me and there's only one

701
00:42:33,660 --> 00:42:39,750
him. But that that embracing
that. Is, comes with maturity.

702
00:42:40,740 --> 00:42:45,180
Yeah. And presents like they're
really how to deal and dive into

703
00:42:45,210 --> 00:42:48,660
what is our physiological
effect, what's happening

704
00:42:48,660 --> 00:42:51,690
biologically is to be present.
And what's your present, you

705
00:42:51,690 --> 00:42:55,140
don't care about anything that's
happening except the here and

706
00:42:55,140 --> 00:42:58,500
now this particular millisecond
from one to the next. And then

707
00:42:58,500 --> 00:43:02,400
at that point, it doesn't matter
who is doing what external to

708
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:06,030
being present in your task at
hand. And so that's what's made

709
00:43:06,030 --> 00:43:09,420
me love drumming so much more
now is because I feel like

710
00:43:09,420 --> 00:43:12,840
there's this really connection
with the present. And that can

711
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,740
get muddled. I know, some folks
say, Oh, I'm bad at meditating,

712
00:43:17,070 --> 00:43:21,180
like meditating isn't clearing
your mind, it's hyper focusing

713
00:43:21,180 --> 00:43:24,600
on the activity of your body.
Like, if you don't have a

714
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,540
breath, practice, if you're not
trying to, like flex different

715
00:43:27,540 --> 00:43:30,450
parts of your muscles without
flexing others that it's really

716
00:43:30,450 --> 00:43:33,600
challenging. Like trying to,
I've noticed like, Okay, your

717
00:43:33,750 --> 00:43:38,910
heel, and your calf and your
thigh and your pelvic floor,

718
00:43:38,910 --> 00:43:43,110
like try to like cycle through
those muscles and do it slowly

719
00:43:43,110 --> 00:43:45,420
and then speed it up. And once
you can start really

720
00:43:45,420 --> 00:43:48,060
differentiating them, then when
you sit at the drums, you start

721
00:43:48,060 --> 00:43:51,540
noticing, oh, I just triggered
my calf muscle that didn't

722
00:43:51,540 --> 00:43:56,160
benefit me at all. That's an
indication that I'm overusing my

723
00:43:56,190 --> 00:44:02,070
my money. My bio money. Yeah.
That you mentioned the, one of

724
00:44:02,070 --> 00:44:08,280
the expressions of the vagus
nerve would be in the face. So

725
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:12,450
someone like me that is known to
have the worst drumming calm

726
00:44:12,450 --> 00:44:13,320
faces.

727
00:44:14,430 --> 00:44:18,900
These are these are the worst
drumming faces. I'm jealous of

728
00:44:18,900 --> 00:44:23,220
you because you don't make crazy
faces when you play.

729
00:44:24,300 --> 00:44:26,850
I'm getting better at it. It's
all about whether it's

730
00:44:26,850 --> 00:44:30,690
intentional or habitual, silent
mine is not intentional. I would

731
00:44:30,690 --> 00:44:35,010
rather not do it. But it's just
drum face it's it's like I'm

732
00:44:35,010 --> 00:44:39,600
feeling the the subdivisions and
the quarter note in the pocket

733
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:43,020
or whatever that thing is. The
Muse is on my shoulders and I'm

734
00:44:43,020 --> 00:44:45,900
going to that special place and
so I'm not really controlling

735
00:44:45,900 --> 00:44:50,640
what I'm doing in my face. It's
just happening and no and I get

736
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:54,180
a lot of shit for it. John no
one gives John Mayer shit. Have

737
00:44:54,180 --> 00:44:56,970
you seen the faces he's makes?
Is it just because he's the

738
00:44:56,970 --> 00:45:00,000
front guy just because he plays
the route to tu tu tu tu tu tu

739
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:05,850
To guitar, I mean, so what's the
deal with drum face? What is?

740
00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:11,370
Well is if it's intentional, if
you are commanding the use of

741
00:45:11,370 --> 00:45:15,360
the muscles in your face, then
it's good. And if you're not,

742
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:19,920
it's it's, it's worth exploring.
Yeah. And so I explore it with

743
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:24,540
my Oh, tape. So this is sleepers
tape. And so I would take a

744
00:45:24,540 --> 00:45:28,350
piece of it. And I would peel it
off. And I put one piece here,

745
00:45:28,500 --> 00:45:32,160
because this is where the nerve
for the I mean, the kind of

746
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,820
controls are on the eyes. That's
where the Botox people are going

747
00:45:35,820 --> 00:45:38,760
to take your money right up
there. Yeah, well wait, if you'd

748
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,880
if you do this practice that you
don't need to, because the tape

749
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,450
will help you out. So the tape,
the tape will clue you into when

750
00:45:45,450 --> 00:45:48,840
you're activating these muscles
involuntarily. And so then the

751
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,420
and then you take another piece
of it, and you put it over your

752
00:45:51,420 --> 00:45:55,200
mouth. And so if your mouth and
you're able to maintain

753
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:59,070
composure, and not move these
muscles in your face, then you

754
00:45:59,070 --> 00:46:03,420
are in intention. So that's I
practice with tape on my face.

755
00:46:03,420 --> 00:46:06,840
And anything that I do that
triggers an involuntary

756
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,990
activation of these muscles,
then I go back, and I practice

757
00:46:09,990 --> 00:46:13,050
it until I can remove that. And
just make sure that what I'm

758
00:46:13,050 --> 00:46:18,150
doing is intentional, because
it's because our emotional

759
00:46:18,150 --> 00:46:22,410
overwhelm resides in our tension
habits. I mean, our nervous

760
00:46:22,410 --> 00:46:25,410
system is a recording device, it
records what happens to us

761
00:46:25,410 --> 00:46:28,110
throughout our lives. And if
something happens, it's

762
00:46:28,110 --> 00:46:31,290
overwhelming. It's in our
nervous system. And just because

763
00:46:31,290 --> 00:46:33,360
we're not conscious of it
doesn't mean it's not there. And

764
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,730
so we can kind of, it's kind of
like ghost chasing, like we have

765
00:46:35,730 --> 00:46:38,670
these ghosts that are in our
nervous system, and you kind of

766
00:46:38,670 --> 00:46:41,520
have to figure out the right
filter to find out the

767
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,880
paranormal activity. And so I
kind of look at myself as ghost

768
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:49,350
chasing, you know, these
residual kind of memories in my

769
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:53,040
physiology. And after years of
doing it with myself, I'm now

770
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,310
able to see it in my clients.
And that's what I'm really

771
00:46:56,310 --> 00:46:59,100
excited about the program with
somatic experiencing is that's

772
00:46:59,100 --> 00:47:02,580
the whole thing to see people's
ghosts, how they live in their

773
00:47:02,580 --> 00:47:06,810
bodies. Fantastic, man, I'm so
excited about your, your future.

774
00:47:07,020 --> 00:47:09,450
And I'm sure this is a no
brainer. And it'll be pretty

775
00:47:09,450 --> 00:47:13,260
easy to do since you have
literally no competition in the

776
00:47:13,260 --> 00:47:15,870
space. And you're such an
effective communicator and you

777
00:47:15,870 --> 00:47:17,070
got such a great smile.

778
00:47:18,870 --> 00:47:21,840
You're gonna do the percussive
Arts Society pay sick, right?

779
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:26,250
Please tell me I applied we'll
see it's still fringe. I like

780
00:47:26,250 --> 00:47:30,750
people it hasn't filtered into
mainstream media like what

781
00:47:30,750 --> 00:47:34,110
exactly the New Mind Body
sciences, there's still some

782
00:47:34,110 --> 00:47:37,920
residual idea that it's Frou
Frou New Age? Well, yes, it

783
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,880
wouldn't be for the big room 500
You know, where the 2000 people

784
00:47:41,910 --> 00:47:46,710
sit because it's just not there.
As as because it's scientific.

785
00:47:46,710 --> 00:47:49,890
It's not like make man Genie,
I'm going to play every note.

786
00:47:50,070 --> 00:47:52,440
You know what I mean? But it's
going to be one of the smaller

787
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:56,730
rooms that you'll pack. And it
will be so interesting. And it

788
00:47:56,730 --> 00:48:00,210
will be one of the top talks of
the of the convention. I

789
00:48:00,210 --> 00:48:03,120
guarantee it. We just need to
make it happen. I know people,

790
00:48:03,390 --> 00:48:05,760
we can make this make this thing
happen. But I think that would

791
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,940
be really, really widely
received. And now tell me about

792
00:48:08,940 --> 00:48:10,830
this. You have another acronym
you and I live with these

793
00:48:10,830 --> 00:48:11,910
acronyms. I literally

794
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,270
love him or you hate him. But
you got one called Grace

795
00:48:15,270 --> 00:48:21,000
grounding relaxation, awareness,
centering and energy. Tell us

796
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:26,400
about grace. Yeah, then the next
level of it is synergy. It's

797
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:30,090
kind of one that I've added a
bit. So the graces and I have to

798
00:48:30,090 --> 00:48:32,670
admit it comes from Esalen
Institute, I've done a bunch of

799
00:48:32,670 --> 00:48:36,540
trainings there, I really
admired their program and saw a

800
00:48:36,540 --> 00:48:40,080
lot of use out of it. And so it
really kind of stacks up kind of

801
00:48:40,290 --> 00:48:44,850
like the defaults of monkey,
what's what's let's first just

802
00:48:44,850 --> 00:48:48,030
get to a place where we're even
comfortably knowing that we're

803
00:48:48,030 --> 00:48:51,600
not going to face plant like,
before we run out of air, we

804
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,540
could kill ourselves by falling
backwards and cracking our head

805
00:48:54,540 --> 00:48:58,020
on the cement, right. So our
nervous systems, a number one

806
00:48:58,020 --> 00:49:03,300
job is do not face plant and
die. And so the very first thing

807
00:49:03,300 --> 00:49:06,390
that's going to give composure
to our nervous system is just

808
00:49:06,390 --> 00:49:11,280
feet on the floor, balls of the
feet heels flat, and having kind

809
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:15,330
of this for sitting as we are,
it would be this tripod between

810
00:49:15,330 --> 00:49:21,840
our kind of well, things are
muscle and our feet. And so it's

811
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:25,350
this balance there and making
them first like kind of shift

812
00:49:25,350 --> 00:49:28,230
the pelvis forward and backward
and find out where neutral is

813
00:49:28,230 --> 00:49:31,410
they're kind of shift the
shoulders forward and backward

814
00:49:31,410 --> 00:49:34,740
and find out where neutral is
there. And then bring the head

815
00:49:34,740 --> 00:49:38,640
forward and backward and find
out where neutral is there. And

816
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:42,420
so neutral is this balanced
point where we're expending as

817
00:49:42,420 --> 00:49:45,210
little energy as possible just
to be relaxed. So that's that's

818
00:49:45,210 --> 00:49:48,270
basic grounding. And then
there's an orienting reflex,

819
00:49:48,270 --> 00:49:51,240
which is just okay, there's no
arrows flying in my head right

820
00:49:51,240 --> 00:49:53,820
now. You know, just kind of
looking around the room making

821
00:49:53,820 --> 00:49:56,370
sure that I'm not going to die
in the next five minutes. But

822
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,010
what I can see in my visual
environment, it's kind of just

823
00:49:59,250 --> 00:49:59,970
the nature of

824
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:04,020
grounding. And so there's a fact
EMDR Eye Movement

825
00:50:04,020 --> 00:50:07,410
Desensitization reprocessing,
which is works with the

826
00:50:07,410 --> 00:50:11,220
orientation reflex, and really
is showing how important it is

827
00:50:11,220 --> 00:50:14,520
just to be aware of what's in
our immediate environment. So

828
00:50:14,580 --> 00:50:17,880
grounding and relaxation is like
kind of, like I've mentioned

829
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,970
before really differentiating
our understanding of how we use

830
00:50:20,970 --> 00:50:24,300
different muscles. And if you
stack that on top of balance,

831
00:50:24,300 --> 00:50:27,210
then it gets quickly into
martial arts, I do a lot of work

832
00:50:27,210 --> 00:50:30,690
with both staff, Japanese
fighting staff, which really

833
00:50:30,690 --> 00:50:34,290
find out how your joints work,
how the right side compares with

834
00:50:34,290 --> 00:50:38,070
left side and balance. Awareness
is the relay race relationship

835
00:50:38,070 --> 00:50:41,310
between breath and heart,
inhale, the heart rate goes up,

836
00:50:41,310 --> 00:50:45,150
exhale, the heart rate goes down
that man that's years of study.

837
00:50:45,780 --> 00:50:49,200
And centering is that it kind of
get deeper and okay, I'm doing

838
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,770
this on my left, can I do it
equally on my right, in martial

839
00:50:52,770 --> 00:50:55,710
arts, this would be called flow,
being able to go from right to

840
00:50:55,710 --> 00:50:59,940
left equally well, that you are
much better off being able to do

841
00:50:59,940 --> 00:51:02,970
simple things equally on both
sides, and to be able to do 100

842
00:51:02,970 --> 00:51:06,390
Things only on one side. And
that has everything to do with

843
00:51:06,390 --> 00:51:09,510
brain lateralization, how we use
the corpus callosum. And then

844
00:51:09,720 --> 00:51:12,300
obviously, drumming, the
applications are endless. So

845
00:51:12,300 --> 00:51:15,180
leading with the eighth notes on
the across high hat or then

846
00:51:15,180 --> 00:51:17,460
playing with the eighth notes
with the left hand lead, like a

847
00:51:17,460 --> 00:51:21,330
sloppy rock beat like that was
like that simple. Yeah, I would

848
00:51:21,330 --> 00:51:25,560
say just both hands playing
together. So both hands playing

849
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,770
together, and being able to do
that, and then moving and both

850
00:51:28,770 --> 00:51:32,640
the hi hat, and then just being
able to bring each hand equally

851
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,580
over to the snare, yes, like
just being able to do that. And

852
00:51:35,580 --> 00:51:38,490
I've had some clients, they
they're very uncomfortable doing

853
00:51:38,490 --> 00:51:41,940
this. And suddenly like this
starts flamming, they start

854
00:51:41,940 --> 00:51:45,060
adding eighth notes in the rear
left foot, and then all of a

855
00:51:45,060 --> 00:51:48,540
sudden, this Unison between the
three limbs starts flapping, and

856
00:51:48,540 --> 00:51:51,720
that sets up evidence of some
dysregulation in the nervous

857
00:51:51,720 --> 00:51:55,050
system. To do that, and let me
ask you this, when you say

858
00:51:55,050 --> 00:51:56,160
clients, are you talking about

859
00:51:57,240 --> 00:51:58,890
people that have been playing
the drums that are having

860
00:51:58,890 --> 00:52:03,210
trouble doing that, or you use
the drum set for non drummers as

861
00:52:03,210 --> 00:52:08,070
a form of okay, yeah, so both
and workshops, I do very basic

862
00:52:08,100 --> 00:52:11,580
coordination patterns. There's
some systems and polyvagal

863
00:52:11,580 --> 00:52:14,700
theory that apply very well to
coordination patterns between

864
00:52:14,700 --> 00:52:17,700
top to bottom left to right, and
then cross coordination right

865
00:52:17,700 --> 00:52:21,240
hand, left foot, left hand,
right foot. And so and then for

866
00:52:21,240 --> 00:52:24,420
drum said, clients there, there
are some that just want a nice,

867
00:52:24,420 --> 00:52:26,850
they saw me play a lick, they
want to learn it, you know, not

868
00:52:26,850 --> 00:52:30,480
do that. But the ones I'm really
interested in are ones who are

869
00:52:30,510 --> 00:52:34,350
experiencing injury, emotional
overwhelm aging, losing your

870
00:52:34,350 --> 00:52:38,250
identity as a drummer, that's a
huge nervous system trigger

871
00:52:38,490 --> 00:52:42,480
flame. So you're dealing with
some clients come in to

872
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,630
professional drummers for 40
years there. They're facing

873
00:52:45,660 --> 00:52:52,920
ageism. Yeah, well, ageism does,
well, aging, I would say, you

874
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,020
know, they're getting older, and
they can't do things that they

875
00:52:55,020 --> 00:52:55,650
used to do.

876
00:52:56,700 --> 00:53:00,060
And they see that, okay, on the
next few years, it's just gonna

877
00:53:00,060 --> 00:53:03,090
get worse and worse. And there's
very many of them do this

878
00:53:03,090 --> 00:53:06,330
breathing is an issue, there's
so much ignorance about

879
00:53:06,330 --> 00:53:09,330
breathing. And I've had some
people say, Oh, I take deep

880
00:53:09,330 --> 00:53:12,330
breaths, I'm fine. It's like,
man, we all need to understand

881
00:53:12,810 --> 00:53:17,610
that if we stopped breathing, we
lose oxygen to our brain. And if

882
00:53:17,610 --> 00:53:21,870
we hyperventilate, we're losing
oxygen to our brain. So good.

883
00:53:21,870 --> 00:53:25,230
There's such ignorance about
this. So I mean, if we're, if we

884
00:53:25,230 --> 00:53:28,530
breathe too much, and we pass
out, it's not because we over

885
00:53:28,530 --> 00:53:31,710
oxygenated our brain, it's
because we under oxygenated it.

886
00:53:31,710 --> 00:53:34,740
And that's not very intuitive.
And so we really need to

887
00:53:34,740 --> 00:53:38,430
understand as a culture, what
the bore effect is, please look

888
00:53:38,430 --> 00:53:43,800
it up B O HR, it's how our blood
transmits oxygen to our tissues.

889
00:53:44,010 --> 00:53:47,130
And there's a state where if
there's not enough oxygen in our

890
00:53:47,130 --> 00:53:50,970
blood at all, there's we don't
get oxygen to our body. And if

891
00:53:50,970 --> 00:53:54,450
there's too much oxygen in the
blood, then the pH doesn't

892
00:53:54,450 --> 00:53:58,770
release oxygen into our tissues.
And so there's this very fine

893
00:53:58,770 --> 00:54:01,890
gradient that we all need to
learn about in our cell. That's

894
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:05,040
a huge part of an effect is
really understanding how what

895
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:09,000
level of oxygen do we need
because roughly 80% of us over

896
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,970
breathe, and it's very
detrimental to us. It's a lot of

897
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:16,020
loss of fingertip sensitivity
happens without over breathing.

898
00:54:16,050 --> 00:54:19,800
There's a breath by James Nestor
is brilliant book very well

899
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:23,460
written, dives deeply into this
subject. I would recommend it to

900
00:54:23,460 --> 00:54:27,180
everybody. It's kind of the
baseline of understanding what

901
00:54:27,180 --> 00:54:30,390
an effect is because oxygen is
such an important what's the

902
00:54:30,390 --> 00:54:34,710
James nesters book? Oh, called
Breath. Breath. Now there's a

903
00:54:34,710 --> 00:54:36,210
couple other pivotal

904
00:54:38,070 --> 00:54:42,870
homes that were mentioned on
your website. Books that you

905
00:54:42,870 --> 00:54:46,440
have pictures of in your blog.
Oh, yeah, there are Wow, there

906
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:49,590
are a lot Yeah, Betsy,
politicians books are amazing.

907
00:54:49,590 --> 00:54:53,910
Yeah, Hugh manual and the actor
secret. It's a the same tools

908
00:54:53,910 --> 00:54:58,080
that actors use are very
applicable to drummers. Their

909
00:54:58,620 --> 00:54:59,850
Body Keeps the Score

910
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:05,430
That is a great introduction,
Introduction to somatic healing.

911
00:55:05,460 --> 00:55:09,750
Yeah, that's kind of Cymatics
101. The it's great. And

912
00:55:10,950 --> 00:55:13,620
yeah, I know. Oh, yeah, that's,

913
00:55:14,820 --> 00:55:17,670
yeah, I want to open my eyes.
Yeah, there's stuff. It's funny

914
00:55:17,670 --> 00:55:21,180
because all we're talking about
is sensation, like all of this

915
00:55:21,240 --> 00:55:25,080
work, somatic work aspect. It's
all digging deep into what our

916
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:28,740
body is telling us. And maybe
like you brought it up, men are

917
00:55:28,740 --> 00:55:31,800
kind of told, Well, no, macho
means not feeling it's being

918
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:35,610
focused, mind over matter, smash
things with my mind, vice, you

919
00:55:35,610 --> 00:55:39,360
know, and sort of erasing this
connection with feeling when

920
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:42,600
that's actually creates the
greatest weakness, we can ever

921
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:47,190
have it or opens us to disease
and lack of creativity. And it's

922
00:55:47,220 --> 00:55:51,600
Yeah, so masculinity is, I don't
know, it gets a little kind of

923
00:55:51,630 --> 00:55:55,200
into this nebulous thing with
wokeness. And I hate that

924
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:58,380
because I mean, I just want to
get people to feel better. Like

925
00:55:58,380 --> 00:56:01,140
I don't want to go down this
rabbit hole of what politics of

926
00:56:01,140 --> 00:56:04,080
it, I just want my clients to
feel better when they play

927
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:08,010
drums, but And so but
masculinity is often a barrier

928
00:56:08,010 --> 00:56:11,970
to that. Wow, interesting. This
is all cross pollinating. Now,

929
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:15,540
it seems like your work is
started it is cross pollinating

930
00:56:15,540 --> 00:56:19,260
with a lot of some of this. Some
of the stuff that Davy Lich

931
00:56:19,260 --> 00:56:22,740
teaches, are you guys in
conversation? Do you guys talk

932
00:56:22,740 --> 00:56:25,380
about this? Because there's, you
know, he's going deep, you're

933
00:56:25,380 --> 00:56:29,160
going deep? Are you getting some
of each other students? Are you

934
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:31,740
throwing students to each other?
Are you guys gonna do a big

935
00:56:31,740 --> 00:56:37,560
event at the sunset Guitar
Center? Am I crazy, I completely

936
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:43,020
respect what he does. And he's a
monster drummer. And he is very

937
00:56:43,410 --> 00:56:47,040
much into applying Alexander
technique. And I've met I watch

938
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:51,030
everything he puts out. And
actually bots, Betsy politan, it

939
00:56:51,030 --> 00:56:53,700
uses a fusion of Alexander
Technique and somatic

940
00:56:53,700 --> 00:56:57,480
experiencing. And so I want to
use more sports psychology, this

941
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:00,540
idea of climbing the mountain
top and pulling ourselves up

942
00:57:00,540 --> 00:57:04,140
from the bottom of the ocean
being the same tools. And so I

943
00:57:04,140 --> 00:57:06,450
mean, he's already doing that
with Alexander technique. I

944
00:57:06,450 --> 00:57:08,760
mean, I would love to work with
him. We've, I've sent some

945
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:12,090
emails, we've kind of responded
a little bit, I'm, I'm trying to

946
00:57:12,090 --> 00:57:15,780
get a little further along. His
thing is so well defined. I feel

947
00:57:15,780 --> 00:57:18,030
like I need a little more
definition before.

948
00:57:19,350 --> 00:57:21,420
Hey, man, you're right around
the corner. Tell us about this

949
00:57:21,420 --> 00:57:24,510
TEDx man, you know, it's like
this is on my to do list. I did

950
00:57:24,510 --> 00:57:27,600
not want to do it during COVID,
where it was going to be

951
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:31,560
virtual. I want to stand on the
red dots. I want to do the

952
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:36,840
thing. You knocked it out of the
ballpark. It was informative. It

953
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:42,060
was free flowing, it was well
executed. There was comedy, you

954
00:57:42,060 --> 00:57:44,790
know, you gotta have some
comedic moments to break up the

955
00:57:44,790 --> 00:57:49,740
seriousness. There is practical
application stuff. It had to be

956
00:57:49,740 --> 00:57:53,820
well received. Yes, he did it in
Mississippi. Yeah, it went

957
00:57:53,820 --> 00:57:57,240
really well. Anyone interested
in doing a TEDx? There's the TED

958
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:01,920
Fellows program that has 16
questions that has you really

959
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:06,270
suss out your topic. And I think
that it took me two months to

960
00:58:06,270 --> 00:58:09,750
answer those questions. They're,
it's they're all very similar,

961
00:58:09,750 --> 00:58:13,500
but they all make you kind of
tear things apart into different

962
00:58:13,500 --> 00:58:17,190
categories. And so anyone who
that my application is online,

963
00:58:17,190 --> 00:58:21,420
Adam gus.com, forward slash TED
Talk. And so that was actually

964
00:58:21,420 --> 00:58:25,770
the webpage I designed for my
TED application. And I applied,

965
00:58:25,950 --> 00:58:28,650
applied to one place, and I made
it to the final round. And then

966
00:58:28,650 --> 00:58:31,440
I applied to the second place,
and I was selected in the first

967
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:36,000
round. So I did something right
in my application, and, and it's

968
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:39,240
all there. And it's preserved
forever and ever and ever

969
00:58:39,300 --> 00:58:42,630
figured I believe it up. Yeah. I
mean, some people, other folks

970
00:58:42,630 --> 00:58:47,130
that have done one, Jojo Mayer,
I think is done one or two. Mike

971
00:58:47,130 --> 00:58:51,150
Johnson has done one, our friend
here

972
00:58:52,230 --> 00:58:56,370
in Nashville, Harry Miry, has
done one. So there has been

973
00:58:56,370 --> 00:58:59,550
about four or five drummers that
have done the done the TED

974
00:58:59,550 --> 00:59:00,090
Talks. And

975
00:59:01,110 --> 00:59:04,560
I would like I'd like to be
next. It's pretty much written,

976
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:09,540
I hired a coach during COVID.
And we had about six or seven

977
00:59:09,540 --> 00:59:14,850
sessions to write the thing. But
the big thing is the application

978
00:59:14,850 --> 00:59:17,670
process and nailing that
application process. So

979
00:59:19,710 --> 00:59:23,520
I guess that's what I guess
that's on the to do list. Yeah,

980
00:59:23,550 --> 00:59:27,510
make a website for it. Yeah.
Just take those 16 questions

981
00:59:27,510 --> 00:59:30,630
from the Fellows Program and
answer them. And that's like,

982
00:59:30,630 --> 00:59:35,340
pretty much any TED or TEDx
organization is going to only

983
00:59:35,340 --> 00:59:38,280
ask a few of those questions.
And if they see that you went

984
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,820
above and beyond that, they're
going to be Oh, that's, this is

985
00:59:41,820 --> 00:59:44,490
ready to go kind of so literally
build a website that just

986
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:48,720
exists, you know, just free
flowing for anyone to find, and

987
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:53,790
then direct those individuals to
that site. Yeah, so in the TEDx

988
00:59:53,790 --> 00:59:57,450
application, just Bansuri take
draw from what you've already

989
00:59:57,450 --> 00:59:59,970
written into the application and
then put the TED

990
01:00:00,299 --> 01:00:03,839
Then the website, the URL that
you composed. And that'll

991
01:00:03,839 --> 01:00:07,349
immediately put you above like,
probably, you'll be in the top

992
01:00:07,379 --> 01:00:10,529
3% already just having done
that. That's incredible.

993
01:00:10,529 --> 01:00:13,649
applicants don't have to do
that, man. This is also so

994
01:00:13,649 --> 01:00:16,769
exciting. I wanted to spend a
lot of time talking about all

995
01:00:16,769 --> 01:00:19,829
this research and where are you
are, you know, with your career?

996
01:00:19,829 --> 01:00:24,479
This is very, it's evolutionary,
you're evolving. But I don't

997
01:00:24,479 --> 01:00:29,519
want to miss out on any fun.
Interesting, heartfelt stories

998
01:00:29,789 --> 01:00:33,839
about your early days in Los
Angeles. Did you park cars? Did

999
01:00:33,839 --> 01:00:38,099
you have day jobs? Did you max
out credit cards and eat ramen

1000
01:00:38,099 --> 01:00:38,909
noodle?

1001
01:00:41,190 --> 01:00:46,860
Were their takeaways? I mean, I
saw you in like 2016, I believe

1002
01:00:46,860 --> 01:00:50,490
not 17, somewhere around there,
playing with Paul valus, which

1003
01:00:50,490 --> 01:00:53,880
is his incredible blues band.
And you were killing it. And I

1004
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:56,970
think I got up and play two or
three songs. Hopefully it was

1005
01:00:56,970 --> 01:01:01,200
alright. But it was great. It
was a benefit for my acting

1006
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:05,190
coach his wife. And we all ended
up at this crazy little club

1007
01:01:05,190 --> 01:01:08,610
right in the heart of Hollywood.
But yeah, am I missing anything?

1008
01:01:08,610 --> 01:01:12,030
Are there some takeaways that
you would want to take some kid

1009
01:01:12,030 --> 01:01:14,850
that was grown up in Fargo and
he's about to graduate high

1010
01:01:14,850 --> 01:01:17,070
school and he wants to move to
LA and be a professional

1011
01:01:17,070 --> 01:01:21,060
drummer? What do you tell the
kid? Yeah, there was the best

1012
01:01:21,060 --> 01:01:24,510
advice I ever got was your field
starts when you walk in the

1013
01:01:24,510 --> 01:01:28,800
door. And that was something I
really did not understand. I

1014
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,740
always thought your field was
when you kind of the tune off

1015
01:01:31,740 --> 01:01:35,400
and started playing. But the
minute you walk in and look

1016
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:39,780
around the room your feel is
starting and your vibe and

1017
01:01:39,780 --> 01:01:43,620
energy. Yeah. And it's I mean,
I'd say essentially, it's funny

1018
01:01:43,620 --> 01:01:47,730
now that I remember hearing that
from Joel Taylor. And now I

1019
01:01:47,730 --> 01:01:50,010
think about well, that's
everything about effect. You're

1020
01:01:50,010 --> 01:01:53,820
broadcasting what unconsciously
what's happening in your body

1021
01:01:53,820 --> 01:01:56,340
and people can pick up on that
particular people who have been

1022
01:01:56,340 --> 01:02:01,050
out here a long time and they
probably can just resonate and

1023
01:02:01,050 --> 01:02:04,860
yeah, a vibe, you can call it
that and our or you can even

1024
01:02:04,860 --> 01:02:09,180
call it your biosphere, this
magnetic field that we all put

1025
01:02:09,180 --> 01:02:11,700
out that's about 10 feet away
from us. This isn't

1026
01:02:11,700 --> 01:02:15,600
controversial. This isn't some
woowoo idea. It's been

1027
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:18,720
researched there. We have a
magnetic field, and we are

1028
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:22,170
broadcasting our physiological
state and other people feel that

1029
01:02:22,170 --> 01:02:24,930
whether they're conscious of it
or not. And the more conscious

1030
01:02:24,930 --> 01:02:30,390
we are of it, the better off we
are feel. Is that and yeah, so

1031
01:02:30,420 --> 01:02:35,220
yeah. So when When did y'all
Taylor tell you that llave Lee

1032
01:02:35,220 --> 01:02:38,250
watching Joey Heredia play with
Marco Mendoza.

1033
01:02:39,990 --> 01:02:42,540
Yeah, that band was fun to watch

1034
01:02:44,010 --> 01:02:48,390
the back way, like, this was
like, 2002 I'd been out here a

1035
01:02:48,390 --> 01:02:50,730
while like, man, I've been out
here a few years. You know, I

1036
01:02:51,450 --> 01:02:55,920
hadn't had a good session yet. I
hadn't toured. And I think even

1037
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:57,600
he thought I needed to get

1038
01:02:58,770 --> 01:03:02,280
he could kind of vibe from me
that I needed. This information

1039
01:03:02,670 --> 01:03:05,820
is like, amazing. Yeah, your
field starts when you walk in

1040
01:03:05,820 --> 01:03:10,920
the door, silver driving home,
just like Oh, fuck. pretty

1041
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:14,970
profound. Now Jill Taylor,
incredible drummer that can

1042
01:03:14,970 --> 01:03:18,240
cover all sorts of styles for
the listeners that don't know. I

1043
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:22,020
started hearing his name in the
Dallas top 40 scene because Dave

1044
01:03:22,020 --> 01:03:26,340
Barnett from random access was
pals with Joel Taylor. So Joel I

1045
01:03:26,370 --> 01:03:29,280
for the listeners was this cat
that when

1046
01:03:30,540 --> 01:03:34,980
what was that game Guitar a
guitar hero he did all the

1047
01:03:34,980 --> 01:03:41,910
recreations sound like yeah,
that was songs. So it was

1048
01:03:41,940 --> 01:03:44,970
hopefully it was a big paycheck
but I do know is probably just

1049
01:03:44,970 --> 01:03:48,930
one time because no one gives
residuals to anyone. But so say

1050
01:03:48,930 --> 01:03:53,910
they had to rerecord that Bob Oh
Riley he had to go research and

1051
01:03:53,910 --> 01:03:58,920
find out who what the drumset
was, what the make was, what the

1052
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:04,380
sizes were and then transcribe
those performances note for note

1053
01:04:04,410 --> 01:04:08,010
and then recreate them. So you
know, you got to be a great

1054
01:04:08,010 --> 01:04:10,140
drummer to go from like, Okay,
I'm doing Charlie Watts. I'm

1055
01:04:10,140 --> 01:04:13,740
doing Keith Moon I'm doing Phil
Rudd I'm doing and doing a great

1056
01:04:13,740 --> 01:04:15,060
job of it and playing

1057
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:19,020
period instruments or modern
instruments made to sound like

1058
01:04:19,020 --> 01:04:22,080
period instruments. Yeah, Blair
center would be a great one for

1059
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:26,850
that. Yeah, totally. Because
Blair can get the sound and find

1060
01:04:26,850 --> 01:04:29,730
out like what preamp they were
using on the overheads.

1061
01:04:31,620 --> 01:04:33,180
Which is really funny because

1062
01:04:34,530 --> 01:04:38,790
I love Blair and when I have to
record in LA, I go to his place

1063
01:04:38,790 --> 01:04:41,610
and it's so fun because it's a
drummer producing a drummer and

1064
01:04:41,610 --> 01:04:45,840
it's just such a great time. But
I am not that guy. I don't want

1065
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:48,930
to obsess about a preamp I just
don't you know what I mean? So

1066
01:04:48,930 --> 01:04:53,010
but it does take too. It takes a
lot to make the world go round

1067
01:04:53,010 --> 01:04:53,340
different.

1068
01:04:54,420 --> 01:04:57,630
So so that's what you would tell
a kid and then what did you have

1069
01:04:57,630 --> 01:04:59,970
any day jobs are interesting,
fun story.

1070
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:05,820
He's in the early American movie
classics. I did catering. So

1071
01:05:05,820 --> 01:05:08,490
yeah, yeah. So I was the
catering person and it was

1072
01:05:08,490 --> 01:05:11,820
always fun. Whoopi Goldberg was
real nice. Laurence Fishburne

1073
01:05:11,820 --> 01:05:15,360
was real nice. And there. Lauren
Bacall was a bitch. And

1074
01:05:18,630 --> 01:05:23,130
it was interesting to see like,
how much the person who was

1075
01:05:23,130 --> 01:05:26,580
being focused on how much their
vibe trickled down to everybody.

1076
01:05:26,610 --> 01:05:29,580
Like I mean, when Whoopi did her
thing like everybody was in a

1077
01:05:29,580 --> 01:05:32,580
good mood. The day went by like
that. And if it was somebody who

1078
01:05:32,580 --> 01:05:36,570
was not fun it just like, Oh,
God, Is it lunch yet? So

1079
01:05:36,570 --> 01:05:39,870
American movie classics in the
sense that a classic film would

1080
01:05:39,870 --> 01:05:44,400
be shown and then a star would
come in and do the interstitials

1081
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:47,460
like this. This movie came out
and such as and so when you say

1082
01:05:47,460 --> 01:05:50,250
catering, you're not talking
about craft services you're

1083
01:05:50,250 --> 01:05:55,320
talking about you would bring
the luncheon and I was serving

1084
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:58,860
food for them. Yeah, doing those
intermediary or those

1085
01:05:58,860 --> 01:06:02,370
intermittent pieces? Yeah. So
they would film those and for

1086
01:06:02,370 --> 01:06:04,980
whatever reason I've got on
those. Yeah, I was doing that

1087
01:06:04,980 --> 01:06:10,170
quite a bit. Food was good.
Paid. Okay. flexible hours. Oh,

1088
01:06:10,170 --> 01:06:13,230
yeah. You got to I mean, some
people give the live and die by

1089
01:06:13,230 --> 01:06:15,720
that craft service table man
when the starving artists days.

1090
01:06:16,050 --> 01:06:18,600
You load your pockets up with
that crap server, bro. Where

1091
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:23,070
baby yeah, had a backpack with
Tupperware in it. Yeah. Now he's

1092
01:06:23,100 --> 01:06:26,550
outside of the red Elvis's and
just being a freelancer? Am I

1093
01:06:26,550 --> 01:06:30,090
missing some of your resume?
Some folks that you've worked

1094
01:06:30,090 --> 01:06:33,750
with and the hotel Cafe scene or
recording sessions or little

1095
01:06:33,750 --> 01:06:38,010
tours? You did? I did I did I
miss things along the way. I

1096
01:06:38,010 --> 01:06:41,340
mean, select tracks I was proud
of. I did like five man,

1097
01:06:41,370 --> 01:06:45,240
hundreds of pieces for TV and
film. I mean, they were such a

1098
01:06:45,450 --> 01:06:48,930
shotgun blast of tracks. I don't
even know what made it where I

1099
01:06:48,930 --> 01:06:49,230
think.

1100
01:06:50,310 --> 01:06:53,670
But yeah, Stuart hard. He was
hiring me a lot on the west

1101
01:06:53,670 --> 01:06:57,330
side. And so that was always a
regular. I don't know TV and

1102
01:06:57,330 --> 01:07:00,540
film music. It's feels good to
be working on that. I'm sure

1103
01:07:00,540 --> 01:07:03,360
there are lots of drummers that
would have liked that gig. But I

1104
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:06,600
mean, mostly like I don't know,
I love the gigs. I do. Like I

1105
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:10,800
mean, it's tomorrow or the Roman
Palacios is great crooner Frank

1106
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:13,650
Sinatra style singer and Rodeo
Drive. And then I'm doing this

1107
01:07:13,650 --> 01:07:18,570
burlesque show with really great
band high end, dancers and then

1108
01:07:18,570 --> 01:07:21,840
leaving town with Laurie Marvin
and she's great to play with.

1109
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:24,720
And so I'm gonna knock people
out here with but I mean, really

1110
01:07:24,780 --> 01:07:28,890
eclectic calendar and everyone
I've kind of a prerequisite that

1111
01:07:28,890 --> 01:07:32,490
it's a cool gig for me, I don't
have I can't deal with being

1112
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:36,570
treated like a cog. So I mean,
that maybe that has hurt me in

1113
01:07:36,570 --> 01:07:39,360
some ways, but in other ways, I
love all the gigs that I do. So

1114
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:41,850
that's nice. So what you're
saying you don't like being

1115
01:07:41,850 --> 01:07:45,930
treated like a cog in the wheel?
Well, I mean, you know, the

1116
01:07:45,930 --> 01:07:49,470
cattle call auditions. Gotcha.
So you we need a drummer will

1117
01:07:49,470 --> 01:07:53,700
take anybody I typically get
hired for what I do. And I and

1118
01:07:53,700 --> 01:07:56,610
that means that okay, we're
gonna we're gonna walk in, and

1119
01:07:56,610 --> 01:08:00,240
I'm gonna play a way that they
anticipated. And so I it's not

1120
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:03,060
like fulfilling a role. And I
mean, at this, oh, it's jazz,

1121
01:08:03,060 --> 01:08:06,450
burlesque blues. I do rock
stuff. And then of course,

1122
01:08:06,450 --> 01:08:09,960
online tracks, there's always
something different. And so

1123
01:08:09,990 --> 01:08:12,900
yeah, I really enjoy the gigs. I
do. But yeah, I've definitely

1124
01:08:12,900 --> 01:08:15,330
been compared to you are
probably most of the drummers

1125
01:08:15,330 --> 01:08:19,650
you've had on your podcast. I
don't have a resume. Do you live

1126
01:08:19,650 --> 01:08:23,520
in sunny California, Southern
California for all these years

1127
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:25,710
since the year 2000. It's pretty
incredible. And there's been

1128
01:08:25,710 --> 01:08:29,280
some hardships and some ups and
downs, but you're a survivor.

1129
01:08:29,280 --> 01:08:33,360
You're a thriver and you're a
drummer, that can read play with

1130
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:36,870
a click and play any style. So
you are always going to work you

1131
01:08:36,870 --> 01:08:39,480
know, that. We know you know,
we're Mitch our mutual friend

1132
01:08:39,480 --> 01:08:42,330
Stuart gene, they're they great
all around drummer was you know,

1133
01:08:42,450 --> 01:08:46,080
musicians used to do you do any
of that West Coast? You know,

1134
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:50,160
those those variety bands that
he does? I was in one group that

1135
01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:54,270
would do like cocktail hour Leah
Zeger. Man, unbelievable

1136
01:08:54,270 --> 01:08:58,740
musician, man, I should call her
we shut down over COVID But she

1137
01:08:58,740 --> 01:09:01,740
was one of my favorite people to
work with ever unbelievable

1138
01:09:01,740 --> 01:09:05,400
singer, virtuoso violinist
sweetest person in the planet.

1139
01:09:05,490 --> 01:09:08,790
We do this French jazz thing.
We'd go in for the kind of

1140
01:09:08,790 --> 01:09:13,230
cocktail hour and then split. It
was the coolest gig. So yeah,

1141
01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:16,830
yeah, a bunch of stuff. agency
work. Yeah, I do some subbing

1142
01:09:16,830 --> 01:09:19,710
for that, too. So yeah, Roman
gets a lot of that stuff. It's

1143
01:09:19,710 --> 01:09:23,760
just trio, so it pays really
well for him. So yeah, nice,

1144
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:26,370
man. It's so exciting to be
doing all those things, which

1145
01:09:26,370 --> 01:09:28,890
means you have to drive an SUV
because if you're doing all that

1146
01:09:28,890 --> 01:09:32,190
schlepping around there, you got
to have some it's right it's you

1147
01:09:32,190 --> 01:09:33,480
got to have the SUV.

1148
01:09:35,100 --> 01:09:37,920
See, what else did I forget
anything about your national

1149
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:41,070
your your Los Angeles journey.
You're busy man. You did it,

1150
01:09:41,070 --> 01:09:45,930
Ernie. Yeah, it's been a roller
coaster. But I'm really excited

1151
01:09:45,930 --> 01:09:50,850
that I found something that is
separate from drumming, but not,

1152
01:09:50,910 --> 01:09:53,550
you know, something that still I
mean, everything that I'm going

1153
01:09:53,550 --> 01:09:56,160
to be working on is with
drummers as clients, and it's

1154
01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:59,100
stuff that I'll be using to
benefit myself. I mean, all it's

1155
01:09:59,100 --> 01:10:00,000
basically the clinic

1156
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:03,630
application of an effect
regulation. That's kind of what

1157
01:10:03,630 --> 01:10:06,300
I'm working on. And the more I
can understand it, and myself,

1158
01:10:06,300 --> 01:10:08,850
the more I can bring to my
clients, and the better, more

1159
01:10:08,850 --> 01:10:12,990
fun I have playing, it just
feels amazing. When I'm using

1160
01:10:12,990 --> 01:10:16,290
just as much effort as necessary
to get what I want out of the

1161
01:10:16,290 --> 01:10:20,220
drums, and then to feel like I'm
at that point and be able to

1162
01:10:20,250 --> 01:10:24,690
recognize other folks that
aren't there. I'd really want to

1163
01:10:24,690 --> 01:10:27,780
help people to find that because
it's such an emotional journey.

1164
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:31,500
It's such a window into people's
souls. And that's why man,

1165
01:10:31,500 --> 01:10:35,070
Betsy, Paulette, and I've seen
some workshops with her like her

1166
01:10:35,070 --> 01:10:39,360
recognizing a person's personal
story in their movement is mind

1167
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:43,020
blowing. It's like, if I
couldn't even touch what she's

1168
01:10:43,020 --> 01:10:47,670
able to do at all. I have no
like, I would be blessed. It is

1169
01:10:47,700 --> 01:10:50,610
supernatural, what she's capable
of. I'm so excited. And you're

1170
01:10:50,610 --> 01:10:52,890
gonna be working with her for
three years right there. Yeah,

1171
01:10:52,950 --> 01:10:55,080
it's so so so cool, man. Listen,
we're going to end up with the

1172
01:10:55,080 --> 01:11:00,900
fast. That fast favorite five,
so I'll ask you five questions.

1173
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:05,370
Oh, I usually like to try to
make it fast but it never is.

1174
01:11:05,850 --> 01:11:06,990
Favorite color.

1175
01:11:08,070 --> 01:11:08,670
Purple.

1176
01:11:10,590 --> 01:11:14,610
Purple Auralex and purple
curtain is in your drummer. I

1177
01:11:14,610 --> 01:11:17,160
love it. Man. You know I have a
friend. I have a student Sara

1178
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:20,130
car deal. We call her the real
deal. Car car deal. She's in

1179
01:11:20,130 --> 01:11:23,250
Connecticut. She loves purple.
She has got purple drum. She got

1180
01:11:23,250 --> 01:11:26,880
purple glows. purple hair. I
love it. Favorite food or

1181
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:31,410
favorite dish? Tacos. You've got
to love it. You know it's so

1182
01:11:31,410 --> 01:11:34,560
funny. We got taco trucks here
in Nashville, but I don't know

1183
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:37,740
which ones are good. I don't
know if I could trust him. In

1184
01:11:37,740 --> 01:11:40,440
LA, you could just eat it any
taco truck. It's gonna be

1185
01:11:40,440 --> 01:11:43,710
fantastic. Probably yeah, the
type of meat they use is

1186
01:11:43,710 --> 01:11:46,230
important man. If you're ever
Northeast side, you gotta go to

1187
01:11:46,230 --> 01:11:50,760
V as tacos. It's the only
Michelin rated tacos in LA. It's

1188
01:11:50,820 --> 01:11:55,740
unbelievable. You say like it's
Pasadena area. Yeah, it's an off

1189
01:11:55,740 --> 01:12:00,420
Figaro and 52 vi Oh, it's also
in Grand Central Market they're

1190
01:12:00,420 --> 01:12:03,930
just expanded Yeah, it's blowing
up their stuff. Okay, you know

1191
01:12:03,930 --> 01:12:06,420
where I always ended up you know
cactus Dockery at number one or

1192
01:12:06,420 --> 01:12:07,410
number two or three.

1193
01:12:09,390 --> 01:12:13,710
And then at home, ma'am, I my
tacos are pretty damn good. I am

1194
01:12:13,710 --> 01:12:15,810
check Chicana approved my girl

1195
01:12:17,460 --> 01:12:21,990
you've been dating your Chicana
for years. Yeah, seven. Yep. Oh,

1196
01:12:21,990 --> 01:12:26,010
nice. Yeah, my boy can make some
tacos according to her. So I

1197
01:12:26,010 --> 01:12:31,290
love that. How about your
favorite drink? favorite drink

1198
01:12:31,860 --> 01:12:34,800
out there any any drink
whatsoever? I mean, if we want

1199
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:38,220
to be exciting, we can have
alcohol in it, you know? Yeah.

1200
01:12:39,300 --> 01:12:43,860
Reverse osmosis water. I
recently got one of Yeah, one of

1201
01:12:43,860 --> 01:12:48,660
those super filtration systems
for water and man it's

1202
01:12:48,690 --> 01:12:52,860
unbelievable. And then you know
the carbon carbonated I love the

1203
01:12:53,460 --> 01:12:57,960
the Aqua Rushaga they gasm is in
what you say in Russia.

1204
01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:04,890
Like water with bubbles like
bleh you have I like it. Now

1205
01:13:04,890 --> 01:13:06,840
this is difficult for some
people but something that just

1206
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:08,940
keeps rearing its ugly head in
your life. It comes on the

1207
01:13:08,940 --> 01:13:13,560
radio. You are gonna crank this
sucker up your favorite song. My

1208
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:17,580
favorite sign anything by John
Mayer body is a wonderland. I

1209
01:13:17,580 --> 01:13:20,970
don't know if that first album
of his room for squares. I've

1210
01:13:21,450 --> 01:13:26,700
it's so well done perfectly
mixed. I admire the masterful

1211
01:13:26,700 --> 01:13:30,420
job that was done from beginning
to end on that album. It is kind

1212
01:13:30,420 --> 01:13:33,450
of a guilty pleasure and is a
masterpiece and it's so funny

1213
01:13:33,450 --> 01:13:37,080
that I brought up John Mayer
today. Have you ever met near z

1214
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:39,360
the drummer that played on that
record? No. I listened to your

1215
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:42,420
podcast with him. No, he's a
monster. Yeah, his drumming is

1216
01:13:42,420 --> 01:13:45,540
flawless on there. You have
Jason Mraz album, I remember

1217
01:13:45,540 --> 01:13:48,450
like who is this drummer? It's
like, oh, yeah, right. Hit the

1218
01:13:48,450 --> 01:13:52,710
remedy. That remedy stuff. Yeah.
Oh, good. Okay, well, that's

1219
01:13:52,710 --> 01:13:57,210
great. You'll meet near He's
nice. And your favorite movie

1220
01:13:57,210 --> 01:14:00,090
man favorite movie? Favorite
movie?

1221
01:14:02,100 --> 01:14:07,620
Inception. Oh, that's heavy.
Yeah, it's really kind of

1222
01:14:07,620 --> 01:14:12,060
explains these layers of
polyvagal theory in a deep way.

1223
01:14:12,090 --> 01:14:15,480
And that's why I like it so
much. So yeah, these kind of

1224
01:14:15,480 --> 01:14:20,760
tiered this hierarchy of our
emotional responses is very well

1225
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:23,850
represented in sort of these
dream states of the movie. And

1226
01:14:23,850 --> 01:14:26,550
so Christopher Nolan is not
messing around. You have got to

1227
01:14:26,550 --> 01:14:27,690
pay attention.

1228
01:14:29,250 --> 01:14:32,820
Yeah, yeah. I even liked it
better the second time. Yeah.

1229
01:14:32,850 --> 01:14:36,060
Yeah. No, it's repeated viewing.
That is not a Beavis and

1230
01:14:36,060 --> 01:14:38,700
Butthead movie, man. You got it.
You definitely have to pay

1231
01:14:38,700 --> 01:14:44,070
attention to that. Adam gus.com
amazing resource you listeners

1232
01:14:44,070 --> 01:14:46,830
out there. Be sure to check out
his TEDx talk. You could see it,

1233
01:14:47,340 --> 01:14:49,500
I believe on your website, but
of course, YouTube. It's called

1234
01:14:49,500 --> 01:14:52,860
The Science of the groove and it
is fantastic, man.

1235
01:14:52,860 --> 01:14:56,370
Congratulations on that. Thank
you so much for spending this

1236
01:14:56,370 --> 01:14:59,670
time. I love being able to catch
up in a public forum.

1237
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,960
I'm gonna be in LA the first
week of March. Maybe we get a

1238
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:09,240
taco I'll text. You know, we'll
do the thing but really

1239
01:15:09,240 --> 01:15:12,930
appreciate your time and talent,
man. Oh, thank you for having me

1240
01:15:12,930 --> 01:15:16,410
on. I mean, man, the folks
you've had on your podcast are

1241
01:15:17,580 --> 01:15:20,760
it is a high bar you said so
yeah, it's an honor to be

1242
01:15:20,760 --> 01:15:24,330
included. Man, you're right up
there. Congratulations on going

1243
01:15:24,330 --> 01:15:27,930
after your dreams and making
them happen, man. Very, very

1244
01:15:27,930 --> 01:15:30,120
cool. And to all the listeners
out there if you love the

1245
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:34,410
podcast, be sure to subscribe,
share rate and review. It really

1246
01:15:34,410 --> 01:15:38,790
does help people find the
podcast through all those crazy

1247
01:15:38,790 --> 01:15:41,370
algorithms in maybe on the next
episode, we'll have our

1248
01:15:41,700 --> 01:15:45,600
producer, longtime friend Jim
McCarthy with Jim McCarthy voice

1249
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:48,600
overs.com. Adam, I'll be seeing
you real soon. Thanks for

1250
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:52,470
joining us, man. Oh, so Yeah,
cheers. Take care. You guys.

1251
01:15:52,860 --> 01:15:57,690
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