WEBVTT 00:00:00.017 --> 00:00:05.797 Jesus didn't come to teach hate. Yes or no? Welcome to the Uncut Podcast. 00:00:06.817 --> 00:00:11.517 I'm Pastor Luke. I am Pastor Cameron. And this is the Uncut Podcast, 00:00:11.637 --> 00:00:16.797 where we have honest, uncut conversations about faith, life, and ministry. 00:00:18.757 --> 00:00:22.617 And the Super Bowl. And the Super Bowl. We're going to be talking about the 00:00:22.617 --> 00:00:30.357 Super Bowl, even if that feels maybe late. We're a week late on talking about it, but who cares? 00:00:31.037 --> 00:00:33.857 Because I think people are still talking about it a little bit. 00:00:34.317 --> 00:00:36.477 Not so much the game, though. 00:00:37.517 --> 00:00:40.677 Yeah, I don't like, no one cares about the game anymore. 00:00:41.877 --> 00:00:44.497 At least not around here. Yeah, right. 00:00:45.777 --> 00:00:54.497 But there is the kind of the questions that are the things that we, what am I trying to say? 00:00:55.337 --> 00:00:58.237 Oh sorry i got a text right i was trying to have that thought but. 00:01:00.357 --> 00:01:05.637 Um the he gets us commercials yes jesus showed up at the super bowl yeah i don't 00:01:05.637 --> 00:01:11.197 know that there's been any greater piece of controversy about the super bowl 00:01:11.197 --> 00:01:13.017 that i've seen in recent history, 00:01:13.597 --> 00:01:17.257 other than this these he gets 00:01:17.257 --> 00:01:20.217 us commercials at least inside of like christian culture 00:01:20.217 --> 00:01:23.777 maybe be yeah i don't know christians always kind of freak out a little bit 00:01:23.777 --> 00:01:29.677 about the super bowl yeah like since like i don't know i was a kid when janet 00:01:29.677 --> 00:01:37.477 jackson and that thing happened oh my gosh do i have a story about that i'm not gonna tell it though. 00:01:40.297 --> 00:01:46.917 Um but yeah so if you're living under a rock you might not have seen the he 00:01:46.917 --> 00:01:53.557 gets us yes commercials or you may not have been exposed to someone commenting about them. 00:01:54.417 --> 00:01:58.237 But if you haven't seen them, press pause on this and go YouTube. 00:01:58.517 --> 00:02:01.877 He gets us Super Bowl commercials. He gets us Super Bowl commercials. There's two of them. 00:02:02.097 --> 00:02:07.117 Yeah, one's a fairly short one. One's like a minute. One's 30 seconds. Yeah. 00:02:07.597 --> 00:02:10.997 One of them apparently – well, one of them is a lot more –. 00:02:13.938 --> 00:02:16.678 Uh controversial than the other yeah the 00:02:16.678 --> 00:02:19.638 long one yeah the long one's a lot more controversial there's one 00:02:19.638 --> 00:02:22.518 that is basically like starts out with who is my 00:02:22.518 --> 00:02:25.398 neighbor yeah it just shows pictures of people 00:02:25.398 --> 00:02:28.418 people yep the other has to. 00:02:28.418 --> 00:02:32.778 Do with the um jesus 00:02:32.778 --> 00:02:36.058 or not jesus uh people different different 00:02:36.058 --> 00:02:39.078 people washing different people's feet yes so it's 00:02:39.078 --> 00:02:42.298 a series of photographs which by the 00:02:42.298 --> 00:02:45.558 way before we'll talk about this before we go any farther those are 00:02:45.558 --> 00:02:49.618 indeed actual photographs and actors they're 00:02:49.618 --> 00:02:52.418 not ai generated so a lot of people 00:02:52.418 --> 00:02:55.658 were kind of like so that looks ai that's definitely 00:02:55.658 --> 00:02:59.378 ai it's not actually ai it's a photographer who 00:02:59.378 --> 00:03:02.678 stylizes their photos to make them look that certain 00:03:02.678 --> 00:03:05.298 way um so it's a 00:03:05.298 --> 00:03:08.778 series of photos of like these 00:03:08.778 --> 00:03:11.758 different like scenes scenes where one person 00:03:11.758 --> 00:03:15.998 is washing another person's feet uh do 00:03:15.998 --> 00:03:18.938 we kind of want to like list the scenes like yeah you 00:03:18.938 --> 00:03:21.898 can i mean there's like there's there's scenes of 00:03:21.898 --> 00:03:25.158 someone like a protester 00:03:25.158 --> 00:03:30.538 washing the feet of a woman outside of an abortion clinic yeah there is scene 00:03:30.538 --> 00:03:37.278 of is it a pastor or a priest washing the feet of someone who appears to be 00:03:37.278 --> 00:03:43.418 is presenting Presenting as possibly transsexual or homosexual or something 00:03:43.418 --> 00:03:45.078 like that. What are some others? 00:03:45.718 --> 00:03:50.358 There's like a scene of an old African-American and an old white man. 00:03:50.538 --> 00:03:54.058 That's right. Not washing each other's feet, but having their one foot each 00:03:54.058 --> 00:03:58.498 stuck into a little basin of sorts. 00:03:59.358 --> 00:04:05.598 That was one of the more interesting photos. But then there was the kind of 00:04:05.598 --> 00:04:11.318 a cowboy washing, I think, like a Native American's feet or like an oil digger. 00:04:11.898 --> 00:04:13.798 Maybe those were two photos that were similar. 00:04:15.298 --> 00:04:21.898 Then there was what looked like, I think, was a suburban mom washing the feet 00:04:21.898 --> 00:04:24.418 of maybe a refugee that was getting off of a bus. 00:04:25.338 --> 00:04:29.538 There was one that was just like a family dinner. or it looked like either the 00:04:29.538 --> 00:04:33.798 son was washing the father's feet or maybe the boyfriend washing the father's feet. 00:04:36.858 --> 00:04:43.638 I think, were there any others? Oh, there was somebody who was washing an alcoholic's or an addict's feet. 00:04:44.238 --> 00:04:49.578 I think that was all the major ones. 00:04:50.738 --> 00:04:56.238 And so it flashes these scenes with music playing in the background. 00:04:57.598 --> 00:05:04.298 And then at the end, it says, Jesus didn't teach hate. He washed feet. 00:05:05.298 --> 00:05:08.198 He gets us and he gets us.com so 00:05:08.198 --> 00:05:11.178 all kind of put off by this kind of um i 00:05:11.178 --> 00:05:14.898 don't know if it's a if it's a independent like 00:05:14.898 --> 00:05:17.658 that's the name of the organization that gets us or if it's 00:05:17.658 --> 00:05:20.758 just a mark like a you know a marketing campaign that is 00:05:20.758 --> 00:05:23.838 the name of the organization okay yeah yeah yeah 00:05:23.838 --> 00:05:28.338 funded primarily by um 00:05:28.338 --> 00:05:31.598 i think one of the owners of hobby lobby yes 00:05:31.598 --> 00:05:34.738 who is historically a 00:05:34.738 --> 00:05:38.198 very conservative uh even 00:05:38.198 --> 00:05:41.258 i don't know i don't even know what the word evangelical means anymore so 00:05:41.258 --> 00:05:44.758 i'm trying not to use it um very conservative leaning 00:05:44.758 --> 00:05:48.178 yes christian person he's been pretty outspoken 00:05:48.178 --> 00:05:51.438 yes um and then um 00:05:51.438 --> 00:05:55.518 there's a number he's not the only contributor 00:05:55.518 --> 00:05:58.518 but he's one of the only contributors that is 00:05:58.518 --> 00:06:03.958 not listed anonymously to the organization most other contributors i think are 00:06:03.958 --> 00:06:12.878 anonymous so so that commercial aired for 60 seconds on super bowl night and 00:06:12.878 --> 00:06:16.838 the world lost its mind about it at least the christian world did yeah where 00:06:16.838 --> 00:06:18.358 the The deconstructing world did. Yeah. 00:06:21.537 --> 00:06:25.037 It's really interesting. It is a really, 00:06:25.097 --> 00:06:31.757 really interesting phenomena or whatever you want to call it to watch the way 00:06:31.757 --> 00:06:36.637 that the Christian world or the Christian pop culture world, 00:06:36.817 --> 00:06:40.717 maybe subculture. I don't know. 00:06:40.797 --> 00:06:45.297 Yeah. The Christian world, those who have a space to have an opinion and they 00:06:45.297 --> 00:06:49.097 say it, how they are responding to all of this. 00:06:51.797 --> 00:07:00.837 Either in support but i think mainly what i've seen in like um are really mad 00:07:00.837 --> 00:07:08.917 about it yeah well and i mean because we because you know we're we're i think we're more a part of. 00:07:10.817 --> 00:07:16.457 Conservative evangelicalism again what is evangelicalism but like we're that's 00:07:16.457 --> 00:07:18.597 more More of where we kind of sit closer. 00:07:18.657 --> 00:07:24.897 I would say in general that I am a theological, social, and political conservative. 00:07:25.297 --> 00:07:30.597 Right. So people from that camp, which is probably why we see more of those 00:07:30.597 --> 00:07:34.797 responses, I didn't watch that. 00:07:34.937 --> 00:07:37.937 I didn't watch a lot of the Super Bowl, and I didn't see the commercial. 00:07:38.217 --> 00:07:43.697 And so I started seeing people kind of angry about this thing, 00:07:43.757 --> 00:07:45.257 and I didn't know what they were talking about. 00:07:45.257 --> 00:07:50.457 Out i was like oh what are we what are we angry about so yeah i mean i guess 00:07:50.457 --> 00:07:57.197 the one of the main questions that i have is is this commercial are these commercials 00:07:57.197 --> 00:08:01.817 this particular one this foot washing one is it an accurate representation of 00:08:01.817 --> 00:08:03.397 who jesus is and what he came to do, 00:08:04.457 --> 00:08:10.877 like even the statement jesus came to wash feet or or like jesus didn't come 00:08:10.877 --> 00:08:13.857 to promote hate or or teach hate or whatever he came to teach hate he washed 00:08:13.857 --> 00:08:17.297 his feet is that an accurate, 00:08:19.057 --> 00:08:23.057 statement and accurate is that statement right accurate first. 00:08:26.017 --> 00:08:30.597 Mostly like i think with inside of the context of what i think they're trying to say, 00:08:31.617 --> 00:08:35.657 yes i mean like and we can't i don't know that we can even judge the intention 00:08:35.657 --> 00:08:38.437 of what they were trying to say we can only judge what they said right yeah 00:08:38.437 --> 00:08:44.217 right so if we were to say if i I would say the statement apart from it's the imagery in the, 00:08:44.217 --> 00:08:47.537 in the commercial to say Jesus didn't come to teach hate. 00:08:48.637 --> 00:08:52.217 Yes or no. Yes. Correct. Right. I would say, correct. 00:08:52.317 --> 00:08:55.597 Jesus came to wash feet or Jesus not even came to wash feet. 00:08:55.657 --> 00:08:58.637 Jesus washed feet. I don't know. Like, yeah. Did he? 00:08:59.037 --> 00:09:01.737 Yes. Yes. Right. And so, okay. 00:09:03.437 --> 00:09:09.477 Now you take the statement and you kind of have to apply it in context to the, 00:09:10.617 --> 00:09:15.477 commercial of self right the images i'm like all right well does the. 00:09:17.378 --> 00:09:24.518 Because a lot of it is like, what is it not saying? 00:09:25.198 --> 00:09:29.538 What is the commercial saying and what is it not saying? You're saying that's 00:09:29.538 --> 00:09:32.838 what people are upset about, is that the commercial is not saying some things? 00:09:33.118 --> 00:09:37.118 Right. Yeah, I think that the commercial, I think people are mostly upset that 00:09:37.118 --> 00:09:39.078 the commercial is not saying some things. 00:09:39.358 --> 00:09:44.138 Yes. Like, oh, no, people are, oh, yeah, Jesus came to wash feet. 00:09:44.138 --> 00:09:55.038 But what he really came to do, what he really came to do was to tell every sinner 00:09:55.038 --> 00:09:58.178 that they should turn from their sin, repent of their sin, and turn towards him. 00:09:59.438 --> 00:10:05.878 And because there was no message of repentance in the commercial, 00:10:06.058 --> 00:10:13.958 then it's obviously like teaching a false gospel is heretical in its theology or in its teaching. 00:10:14.138 --> 00:10:21.518 And, you know, it should not be supported by any Christian who reads the Bible, 00:10:21.618 --> 00:10:25.218 only progressive Christians, which is an interesting dynamic. 00:10:28.373 --> 00:10:32.593 I don't know, is that your kind of like your commentary read on the commercial? 00:10:32.833 --> 00:10:38.453 Yeah, I think most people who are like angry about it, well, 00:10:38.553 --> 00:10:40.513 no, there's two different camps. 00:10:41.813 --> 00:10:46.693 There's the people who are theologically angry about it from the standpoint 00:10:46.693 --> 00:10:48.233 of what I think you just said. 00:10:48.233 --> 00:10:54.993 Like, they're saying that the message of the commercial means that Jesus is 00:10:54.993 --> 00:10:59.813 giving permission for you to live your life however you want, and it doesn't matter. 00:11:00.513 --> 00:11:05.313 And Jesus just loves you no matter what. And kind of this, like, right. 00:11:06.633 --> 00:11:11.513 Yeah. So, like. Which the commercial never says. Commercial doesn't say. 00:11:11.633 --> 00:11:15.273 Commercial doesn't say that, like. And it doesn't even depict Jesus washing 00:11:15.273 --> 00:11:17.193 these feet. No, it doesn't. It doesn't, you know. 00:11:18.513 --> 00:11:21.073 And, you know, so they're angry 00:11:21.073 --> 00:11:24.573 because they feel like it lacks this important message of repentance. 00:11:25.233 --> 00:11:30.433 The other camp of people who I think we're running into less of, 00:11:30.553 --> 00:11:37.673 but like, or maybe more of the liberals or the deconstructionists are angry 00:11:37.673 --> 00:11:41.173 because Christians spent money on a Super Bowl commercial. 00:11:41.173 --> 00:11:47.453 Commercial, because they're like, well, wouldn't it have been better to have 00:11:47.453 --> 00:11:51.833 gone out and fed people with however many money, how much money was spent on 00:11:51.833 --> 00:11:54.053 the commercial, which was a large amount. 00:11:55.413 --> 00:11:58.553 And so I think those are the two camps that are angry. 00:11:58.693 --> 00:12:02.433 I think theologically, because it's not harsh enough on sin, 00:12:02.573 --> 00:12:09.653 or practically because we should be spending our money not on on getting the 00:12:09.653 --> 00:12:11.173 message of Jesus out there, 00:12:11.233 --> 00:12:14.873 but on like just feeding people or that's the one that people always say, 00:12:14.933 --> 00:12:18.633 they say feeding people or clothing people. So, yeah. 00:12:19.613 --> 00:12:24.433 So, okay. Some important dynamics there. One is, um, 00:12:26.669 --> 00:12:33.269 Yeah, like we said, the commercial doesn't depict Jesus actually washing anyone's feet. 00:12:36.329 --> 00:12:47.649 And so there is like, they want Jesus to appear and essentially tell all these 00:12:47.649 --> 00:12:50.169 sinful people who are getting their feet washed, Hey, 00:12:50.369 --> 00:12:56.829 we're gonna serve you, but also we want you to know you need to turn from your sin. 00:12:59.649 --> 00:13:06.529 And I look at the gospel, when we look at the gospels, we see that there was 00:13:06.529 --> 00:13:11.989 really only one instance where Jesus himself washed the feet of people. 00:13:12.629 --> 00:13:17.949 John chapter 13, he washed the feet of his disciples at the Last Supper. 00:13:21.269 --> 00:13:25.349 And John's pretty clear about what was happening there. 00:13:25.569 --> 00:13:32.609 And then Jesus himself is really clear as to why he was, or what the foot washing 00:13:32.609 --> 00:13:34.489 was meant to accomplish. 00:13:34.869 --> 00:13:41.349 So John says in chapter 13, it was just before the Passover feast, 00:13:41.429 --> 00:13:45.709 Jesus knew that his time had come for him to leave this world and to go to the Father. 00:13:45.709 --> 00:13:53.489 Having loved his own who were in the world, he now showed them the full extent of his love. 00:13:55.029 --> 00:13:57.689 Whatever's coming next, he was about to show them the full extent of his love. 00:14:00.969 --> 00:14:05.029 The evening meal was being served. The devil had already prompted Judas Iscariot, 00:14:05.029 --> 00:14:08.489 son of Simon, to betray Jesus. Judas was at the meal. 00:14:09.549 --> 00:14:13.829 Judas was among those who Jesus was about to... 00:14:15.641 --> 00:14:20.081 Serve judas the guy who went and traded jesus's life for 30 pieces of silver right, 00:14:20.601 --> 00:14:23.781 could have very easily been in the commercial right jesus could 00:14:23.781 --> 00:14:26.461 have been you could that would have been a great that would have been 00:14:26.461 --> 00:14:29.581 a great ending clip on that commercial is jesus washing 00:14:29.581 --> 00:14:33.941 the feet of judas yeah because he did jesus knew 00:14:33.941 --> 00:14:37.181 that the father had put things all all things under his power and 00:14:37.181 --> 00:14:40.581 that he had come from god and when returning to god establishes 00:14:40.581 --> 00:14:43.761 his heavenly authority right so in verse 00:14:43.761 --> 00:14:46.521 4 he got up from the meal took off his 00:14:46.521 --> 00:14:49.601 outer clothing and wrapped a towel around his waist after that he poured 00:14:49.601 --> 00:14:52.621 water into a basin began to wash his disciples feet drying them 00:14:52.621 --> 00:14:58.801 with the towel that was wrapped around them simon tries to stop him yeah jesus 00:14:58.801 --> 00:15:04.581 is like you don't understand like peter is like okay then wash all of me wash 00:15:04.581 --> 00:15:09.661 all of me right um then he it comes down to verse 12, the end of the little section. 00:15:09.801 --> 00:15:13.681 When he had finished washing their feet, he put on his clothes and returned to his place. 00:15:14.181 --> 00:15:16.301 Do you understand what I have done for you? 00:15:19.181 --> 00:15:22.721 You call me teacher and Lord, and rightly so, for that is what I am. 00:15:23.081 --> 00:15:30.361 Now that I, your Lord and teacher, have washed your feet, you also should wash one another's feet. 00:15:30.841 --> 00:15:36.741 I have set you an example that you should do as I have done for you. 00:15:39.721 --> 00:15:47.041 So the only time in scripture that we see Jesus washing the feet of anyone else, 00:15:48.041 --> 00:15:57.901 he does so for at least a partial purpose of setting an example for what his 00:15:57.901 --> 00:16:02.421 disciples should do for one another, for others. 00:16:04.221 --> 00:16:09.901 Now, you could take a super literalist view on what Jesus said and make the 00:16:09.901 --> 00:16:14.721 assumption that Jesus was only giving them example for what they were to do amongst themselves. 00:16:15.161 --> 00:16:22.281 Yes, you could. I don't particularly feel like one another was exclusionary 00:16:22.281 --> 00:16:27.521 in Jesus' language, but it was rather like, hey, go and do this for others as well. 00:16:28.421 --> 00:16:33.921 And so there is a point here where I think you have to –. 00:16:37.013 --> 00:16:45.673 Kind of parse out what were the underlying reasons that jesus got up from the meal and, 00:16:46.533 --> 00:16:51.753 did that because it essentially describes him stripping down to his underwear 00:16:51.753 --> 00:17:00.613 and using his clothing to wash and dry the feet that is a position and posture of, 00:17:02.113 --> 00:17:04.453 of extraordinary vulnerability. Yes. 00:17:06.433 --> 00:17:10.813 Humility, like crazy amounts of humility. The Lord of heaven, 00:17:10.933 --> 00:17:13.333 God had put all things under his feet, John said. 00:17:13.833 --> 00:17:17.753 So then he got up from the meal, stripped down to his underwear, 00:17:17.893 --> 00:17:22.033 and washed the feet of the people who had abandoned him, who had run away from 00:17:22.033 --> 00:17:24.893 him, who would deny him, who would betray him. 00:17:25.073 --> 00:17:32.733 So his, like, could be seen, according to the world, as the most extreme enemies of Jesus now, right? 00:17:34.053 --> 00:17:42.793 Jesus was serving them in a place of humility, in a place of like absolute vulnerability, 00:17:42.873 --> 00:17:46.593 and then says, hey, go and do this for one another too. 00:17:49.853 --> 00:17:57.053 So one of my issues with the critique then of this, 00:17:59.173 --> 00:18:02.193 with the critique of this is that even in 00:18:02.193 --> 00:18:05.493 the act of washing people's 00:18:05.493 --> 00:18:08.273 feet jesus was not like i'm washing your 00:18:08.273 --> 00:18:11.813 feet make sure you repent right i'm 00:18:11.813 --> 00:18:16.153 walking washing your feet make sure you turn from or i'm washing your feet make 00:18:16.153 --> 00:18:20.453 sure you don't betray me i'm washing your feet make sure you don't abandon me 00:18:20.453 --> 00:18:24.873 deny me yeah i'm washing your feet make sure you don't deny me it was simply 00:18:24.873 --> 00:18:29.713 Jesus let the act speak for itself. 00:18:34.495 --> 00:18:40.515 And it feels like in modern Christianity, 00:18:40.695 --> 00:18:46.075 a lot of the times we don't want the act to speak for itself. 00:18:46.155 --> 00:18:52.355 Or we think that the act itself does not speak loudly or comprehensively enough 00:18:52.355 --> 00:18:53.695 the message of the gospel. 00:18:53.975 --> 00:18:57.115 And so we got to add our own words to it. 00:18:57.815 --> 00:19:00.635 We got to add our own addendums to it. 00:19:03.055 --> 00:19:09.115 Um and this is one of the issues that i have with like ministries that feed 00:19:09.115 --> 00:19:14.715 people feed the homeless it's like a we will feed you take this information 00:19:14.715 --> 00:19:16.975 about our church here's food, 00:19:17.955 --> 00:19:20.735 but you have to take this information about the church or come to 00:19:20.735 --> 00:19:23.655 the church for this meal 00:19:23.655 --> 00:19:29.455 and stay for the worship service yeah there was a ministry in chicago um been 00:19:29.455 --> 00:19:35.455 been around for a very long time and um it's primary thing is like it would 00:19:35.455 --> 00:19:40.395 feed lunch but you had to sit and listen to the sermon that was being preached 00:19:40.395 --> 00:19:41.415 at you while you ate lunch. 00:19:43.055 --> 00:19:49.615 Yeah and i get it like you want to seize an opportunity to proclaim the gospel in people's lives, 00:19:49.835 --> 00:19:59.835 but I am of the personal opinion that for lack of a better term, 00:20:00.075 --> 00:20:07.775 we need to earn the right, the relational right, the relational right to speak 00:20:07.775 --> 00:20:10.675 the message of the gospel, which is a message of repentance. 00:20:11.995 --> 00:20:14.835 Repent for the kingdom of God, heaven is near, right? That is the 00:20:14.835 --> 00:20:17.695 message that jesus came to preach like i'm not i'm not 00:20:17.695 --> 00:20:20.835 saying that but what i'm saying is that like 00:20:20.835 --> 00:20:23.655 you some like there was 00:20:23.655 --> 00:20:30.915 not a bait and switch of serving for jesus he was not like take this foot washing 00:20:30.915 --> 00:20:37.735 but but here make also make sure that you follow this teaching right he let 00:20:37.735 --> 00:20:40.975 the act in fact, incarnationally speak for itself. 00:20:41.755 --> 00:20:48.255 Yeah. And what critics of these commercials want to say is that, 00:20:48.275 --> 00:20:51.075 well, the commercial didn't go far enough. 00:20:52.475 --> 00:20:58.435 It didn't go far enough in like really proclaiming the gospel because it didn't 00:20:58.435 --> 00:21:04.035 talk about the offensiveness of sin or the need for repentance or faith in Jesus Christ. 00:21:04.235 --> 00:21:11.615 Right. It simply said Jesus doesn't preach hate. and they're angry about it. 00:21:12.915 --> 00:21:23.675 They are, Christians are foaming at the mouth that all that was said was Jesus doesn't teach, 00:21:23.855 --> 00:21:27.975 hey, Jesus came, or Jesus washed feet. 00:21:28.835 --> 00:21:30.395 Like, I am... 00:21:32.296 --> 00:21:38.116 Out of my dome to try and understand how like 00:21:38.116 --> 00:21:42.596 pointing people 00:21:42.596 --> 00:21:48.316 towards any aspect of the relationship of of like life in jesus when they're 00:21:48.316 --> 00:21:56.396 pre-christ right is a win it is an absolute win right so to to have it you're 00:21:56.396 --> 00:21:59.336 like i want to curse right now like i I want to swear. 00:21:59.456 --> 00:22:02.036 I'm so, I get fired up about this. 00:22:03.816 --> 00:22:08.756 To be angry about it, I think is just, I think it's stupid. 00:22:10.196 --> 00:22:14.956 Because I don't, you know, sometimes, here, I'll give maybe an example that 00:22:14.956 --> 00:22:18.276 hits home for me a little bit more. I'll preach a sermon. 00:22:21.996 --> 00:22:28.356 And someone will come up to me after the sermon. German, essentially with, 00:22:28.356 --> 00:22:30.416 with a pure heart about it. Sure. 00:22:30.616 --> 00:22:34.096 Why didn't you say this though about it and this about it and this about it 00:22:34.096 --> 00:22:35.836 and this about it and this about it and this about it. 00:22:36.196 --> 00:22:39.016 And the reality is, is because, well, I, 00:22:40.227 --> 00:22:45.147 I, we really only have like a 40 minute block and I almost always preach 60 minutes. 00:22:45.467 --> 00:22:54.347 So, so the, like it would be next to impossible for me to say everything about 00:22:54.347 --> 00:22:57.687 one topic in one sermon every single week. 00:22:57.867 --> 00:23:02.607 Yeah. Right. Sometimes you got to preach on Romans six before you can preach on Romans seven. 00:23:02.927 --> 00:23:07.387 Like, and you can't be mad at me because I said what was in Romans six and not 00:23:07.387 --> 00:23:08.447 what was in Romans seven. 00:23:08.547 --> 00:23:10.927 I'll say it next week. Right. 00:23:11.887 --> 00:23:15.567 It's just the way it goes. And so, 00:23:15.647 --> 00:23:27.127 I think that there is this thing happening where when you say something about Jesus... 00:23:27.847 --> 00:23:30.247 People feeling like you need to say everything. You need to say it. 00:23:30.327 --> 00:23:31.407 Yeah, you have to say everything. 00:23:31.907 --> 00:23:36.087 This is one of the reasons I actually don't like... One 00:23:36.087 --> 00:23:39.087 of the reasons I don't particularly love a 00:23:39.087 --> 00:23:43.767 lot of christian films because like 00:23:43.767 --> 00:23:47.087 your kind of traditional cheesy christian 00:23:47.087 --> 00:23:53.407 film is like somehow you know the main character has like this like you know 00:23:53.407 --> 00:23:59.687 terrible things happening to him and then he sits down with this older guy who's 00:23:59.687 --> 00:24:05.107 got a bible and says you know and And then the guy gives this very simplistic, 00:24:05.367 --> 00:24:10.087 but hits all of the markers that people want to hear in a gospel presentation. 00:24:10.527 --> 00:24:13.627 And the guy just goes, oh, yeah. 00:24:14.487 --> 00:24:17.947 And he gives his life to Christ, and the movie ends happily ever after. 00:24:18.067 --> 00:24:24.667 And the film is meant to try and be its own invitation for someone to know Jesus. 00:24:24.667 --> 00:24:31.287 And one of the reasons that that doesn't work very well is because films are 00:24:31.287 --> 00:24:37.867 not meant to at least creative storytelling films are not meant to be that didactic. 00:24:39.075 --> 00:24:42.275 They're meant to be reflective they're meant to be interesting thought 00:24:42.275 --> 00:24:46.415 provoking they're not meant to be a presentation that 00:24:46.415 --> 00:24:49.195 is saying you need to think this way and make this 00:24:49.195 --> 00:24:55.795 decision that's called propaganda technically um and so like a lot of the christian 00:24:55.795 --> 00:25:00.855 films i like are films that christians don't like because they don't have the 00:25:00.855 --> 00:25:05.055 gospel in them explicitly they have things that point to the gospel and the 00:25:05.055 --> 00:25:08.555 question is is like what is the point of a super bowl commercial. 00:25:10.495 --> 00:25:16.395 Like is the super bowl commercial supposed to be a gospel presentation or is 00:25:16.395 --> 00:25:21.775 it supposed to be the thing that kind of points to something farther down the 00:25:21.775 --> 00:25:26.975 road yep and exactly it's because it's a 60 second commercial right or a 30 00:25:26.975 --> 00:25:30.255 second commercial yeah Or if you don't like it, 00:25:30.335 --> 00:25:32.995 raise your own $30 million. 00:25:33.835 --> 00:25:39.575 Yeah, go make your own commercial. And put your preacher on the TV and have 00:25:39.575 --> 00:25:42.275 him preach the message of salvation through repentance. 00:25:42.635 --> 00:25:49.835 Right. That's what you... Go buy the airtime. Do it. Like, I don't know, like, I... 00:25:50.595 --> 00:25:55.135 Watch somebody does. does. Um, what do you think of what, what do you, 00:25:55.135 --> 00:25:58.375 what personally do you think about the argument that about the money? 00:25:59.355 --> 00:26:02.695 Oh, the amount of money that it costs versus like what could have been done 00:26:02.695 --> 00:26:04.555 with that money? Well, the thing, okay, so. 00:26:05.884 --> 00:26:12.844 So that was not the only nonprofit to have a commercial, right? 00:26:13.244 --> 00:26:17.024 I looked it up. There weren't a ton of nonprofits. Most things were for-profit 00:26:17.024 --> 00:26:21.804 companies, but there was like a political activist commercial, 00:26:21.984 --> 00:26:26.644 and then there was one other nonprofit commercial that came up. 00:26:26.844 --> 00:26:31.484 So it's not the only nonprofit that took people's money, that was donated to 00:26:31.484 --> 00:26:38.364 them, and then spent that money on a commercial. Not the only nonprofit that did it. 00:26:39.024 --> 00:26:45.264 Nobody else is mad at those nonprofits for getting their message out and not 00:26:45.264 --> 00:26:48.024 doing the thing that they're supposed to be doing. 00:26:49.484 --> 00:26:57.744 And this is, you know, a lot of times is people love Christians when we do things 00:26:57.744 --> 00:27:02.504 like Christ, Christ, but when we get the message out about Christ, 00:27:02.764 --> 00:27:05.784 somehow we're doing something wrong or bad. 00:27:06.204 --> 00:27:12.584 And from a non-believing, you don't believe in God, 00:27:12.884 --> 00:27:16.484 you don't believe in Jesus, you don't follow, you think the church is maybe 00:27:16.484 --> 00:27:23.244 a dubious nonprofit at best, then yeah, you're not going to like when we get our message out there. 00:27:24.684 --> 00:27:27.304 Because you don't believe the message, you don't 00:27:27.304 --> 00:27:30.804 trust the message you don't think the message is worthwhile and so 00:27:30.804 --> 00:27:34.124 you're like well i just want you to put your money towards the 00:27:34.124 --> 00:27:36.844 thing i want you to put your money towards is what you're 00:27:36.844 --> 00:27:39.964 actually saying but you're not the non-profit 00:27:39.964 --> 00:27:42.804 right you're just not 00:27:42.804 --> 00:27:46.004 and we think i think that 00:27:46.004 --> 00:27:49.324 the gospel is the most important message in 00:27:49.324 --> 00:27:52.104 the entire world and i don't think 00:27:52.104 --> 00:27:56.184 you can put a price tag on that like if 00:27:56.184 --> 00:27:59.464 you were to say like how much is too much to say 00:27:59.464 --> 00:28:05.104 to present even a portion of the gospel to someone i can't i'm not gonna find 00:28:05.104 --> 00:28:09.484 that number no not in money not in monetary value that's for sure not in monetary 00:28:09.484 --> 00:28:17.924 value and so um and so from a from inside of the faith like Like, it makes so much sense. 00:28:18.844 --> 00:28:24.064 And, like, the He Gets Us organization, like, that's what they're doing. 00:28:24.124 --> 00:28:28.644 And the people who gave to that know that's what the organization is doing, 00:28:28.684 --> 00:28:30.424 is about getting out the message. 00:28:31.144 --> 00:28:36.424 And so, like, there are other, lots of other Christian campaigns, 00:28:36.584 --> 00:28:44.164 organizations that are oriented towards meeting physical, practical needs that are doing that. Yeah. 00:28:44.264 --> 00:28:47.204 And so if people want to contribute their money to that, like, 00:28:47.264 --> 00:28:51.924 I kind of just like, it's kind of just a really easy critique, 00:28:52.044 --> 00:28:55.404 but it's a critique that comes from a place of just like. 00:28:57.350 --> 00:29:01.450 I just want to tell other people how to spend their money. Yeah. 00:29:01.570 --> 00:29:04.930 And you don't get to do that. Right. Sorry. Yeah. Right. 00:29:05.990 --> 00:29:12.950 I saw, you follow the Babylon Bee? Yes, I do. Well, yeah, I do. 00:29:13.870 --> 00:29:16.630 Was it you that sent it to me then? I told you about it. You told me about it. 00:29:16.630 --> 00:29:18.730 I told you about it. Okay. All right. Yeah. 00:29:19.850 --> 00:29:21.710 They put out an article about. 00:29:22.850 --> 00:29:26.790 Oh, they made a video. Oh, it was a whole video. It was a whole video mimicking. 00:29:26.790 --> 00:29:33.610 You tell you you tell so babylon b put out made a video using actual ai generated photos. 00:29:36.370 --> 00:29:44.930 Displaying different images of satan like coming alongside people and like i 00:29:44.930 --> 00:29:48.270 don't remember if he had him washed i don't know he was like high-fiving them 00:29:48.270 --> 00:29:52.590 or whatever i don't remember now um and then And at the end, 00:29:52.610 --> 00:29:54.950 it's like, Satan, he gets us. 00:29:55.870 --> 00:29:59.410 He's okay with you doing whatever you want to do, something like that. 00:29:59.510 --> 00:30:05.130 Essentially, it was trying to say, it was trying to equate the message of the 00:30:05.130 --> 00:30:09.530 He Gets Us commercial to a message that Satan would like us to hear. 00:30:09.770 --> 00:30:11.610 Yeah. Really interesting. 00:30:12.590 --> 00:30:16.050 Really interesting take on it or commentary. 00:30:16.050 --> 00:30:19.130 Well, see, here's the thing, too. is that 00:30:19.130 --> 00:30:22.450 the original commercial that he gets us commercial is that 00:30:22.450 --> 00:30:25.370 there's only one or two of the 00:30:25.370 --> 00:30:29.550 photos that really bother people that really bother people really there's probably 00:30:29.550 --> 00:30:36.910 one in particular one yeah one or two um and the rest of them are pretty innocuous 00:30:36.910 --> 00:30:42.870 at the end of the day they're they're people who um because the the the general 00:30:42.870 --> 00:30:45.230 idea is let's display people. 00:30:46.701 --> 00:30:51.761 Who generally, for one or two reasons, don't get along, either historically or now. 00:30:52.861 --> 00:30:59.881 And let's take the one who seems to have maybe the moral upper hand or the traditional 00:30:59.881 --> 00:31:01.441 upper hand or the authority, 00:31:01.721 --> 00:31:06.421 this dominant position, and have them wash the disenfranchised, 00:31:06.461 --> 00:31:08.501 the less powerful person's feet. 00:31:10.621 --> 00:31:13.921 And there's just the one that seems like that's a family dinner, 00:31:14.121 --> 00:31:16.141 the son washing the father's feet. 00:31:16.701 --> 00:31:21.461 There's two protesters washing each other's feet. There's, you know, 00:31:21.541 --> 00:31:26.521 but the ones that people really get anger about, it's only just two of them. 00:31:27.241 --> 00:31:34.481 The priest washing the person who we're meant to assume is gay or something like that, 00:31:34.621 --> 00:31:42.481 and then the other one where somebody is, a protester is washing a woman's feet 00:31:42.481 --> 00:31:45.081 outside of a Planned Parenthood or abortion clinic. 00:31:45.081 --> 00:31:54.961 Um and so like those are the two that people get really angry about right because those have. 00:31:56.141 --> 00:32:00.281 Like relation to sin plus 00:32:00.281 --> 00:32:03.481 and or political things well and 00:32:03.481 --> 00:32:06.521 one of the critiques that i heard about those ones in particular is 00:32:06.521 --> 00:32:09.321 it puts the christian in the 00:32:09.321 --> 00:32:12.061 place of being the one that needs 00:32:12.061 --> 00:32:14.981 to humble themselves to service like they 00:32:14.981 --> 00:32:18.521 were upset that the message was like a what do you mean in 00:32:18.521 --> 00:32:21.321 the in that relationship that it's the christian that's the 00:32:21.321 --> 00:32:26.101 one that needs to do the feet washing why can't the you know like what's the 00:32:26.101 --> 00:32:32.221 why are we why do we have to take the place of humility when they're the ones 00:32:32.221 --> 00:32:38.521 that need to repent i'm like because we follow jesus that's the answer like Like, 00:32:38.581 --> 00:32:41.181 what are we talking about here? 00:32:41.941 --> 00:32:44.701 So that was, yeah, that was another... 00:32:45.900 --> 00:32:51.460 Because we follow Jesus. Yeah. Because Christ loved us first while we were still enemies. 00:32:51.760 --> 00:32:54.880 While we were still sinners, Christ died for us, Romans 5.8. Yeah. 00:32:56.640 --> 00:33:03.840 Like, we cannot, like, if we are constantly making the moral expectations of 00:33:03.840 --> 00:33:06.040 being a maturing Christian, 00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:13.120 like, if we make that the starting point of someone who does not follow Jesus, 00:33:13.820 --> 00:33:18.680 They will never follow Jesus because what we're giving them is a list of rules 00:33:18.680 --> 00:33:22.360 and not inviting them into a relationship. 00:33:25.340 --> 00:33:29.300 And that's kind of the whole point of the commercial is to say, 00:33:29.400 --> 00:33:34.820 Jesus understands who you are, where you're at, where you're from. 00:33:35.020 --> 00:33:42.880 Gets us. He gets you and he wants to wash your feet. He wants to invite you into relationship. 00:33:44.820 --> 00:33:51.520 Come check him out. That's an invitation. There it is. Yep. There it is. 00:33:52.380 --> 00:33:59.260 So, I mean, like, my verdict on the commercials are like, good job. 00:33:59.580 --> 00:34:04.420 Good job. Would I like to have the opportunity to have further conversation 00:34:04.420 --> 00:34:07.900 with people who are intrigued about the message of Jesus from the He Gets Us 00:34:07.900 --> 00:34:09.600 commercials? Mm-hmm. Yes. 00:34:10.020 --> 00:34:13.420 Because do I believe that there is more to the gospel than that? 00:34:14.400 --> 00:34:18.680 Yes, I do. But I'm not going to sit over here and, you know, 00:34:18.720 --> 00:34:24.360 foment the mouth that didn't say everything and swear off the He Gets Us campaign 00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:31.720 as being somehow progressive or too progressive or too conservative. I've heard both of that. 00:34:32.040 --> 00:34:36.660 Yeah, and so therefore, like, just... I will say it was a little cartoonish. 00:34:37.220 --> 00:34:40.680 I don't mean that stylistically. specifically but it's trying 00:34:40.680 --> 00:34:43.720 to say something quick and snappy so i mean it's 00:34:43.720 --> 00:34:46.980 the super it's a super bowl commercial right you have the largest tv 00:34:46.980 --> 00:34:50.400 audience in the world at 00:34:50.400 --> 00:34:56.320 that moment so yeah anyway tell us in the comments if you're watching a place 00:34:56.320 --> 00:35:00.360 where you can comment youtube primarily i guess what you thought yeah or what 00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:03.760 you think of the commercials uh we didn't really say anything about the other 00:35:03.760 --> 00:35:06.260 one because i don't really there's not really any commentary about the other 00:35:06.260 --> 00:35:07.520 one no No one's talking about the other one. 00:35:07.560 --> 00:35:11.700 It was also very short, but, like, again, we agree with it. Yep. 00:35:13.340 --> 00:35:16.400 And do I believe that there's more to the message? Yes, I do. 00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:19.960 Do I agree that you have to say everything that there is to say in the message 00:35:19.960 --> 00:35:23.580 in one 60-second block in the middle of the Super Bowl? No, I don't. 00:35:26.240 --> 00:35:30.340 But comment and tell us what you think. You can also send us any questions, 00:35:30.460 --> 00:35:34.000 comments, thoughts that you have, reflections on what you heard today or what 00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:34.920 you've heard in another episode. 00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:41.160 Our texting line if you want to text in a question is 716-201-0507 if you would 00:35:41.160 --> 00:35:43.660 love to we would love to have you. 00:35:44.080 --> 00:36:03.945 Music.