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I'm Travis Bader and this
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I've

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received a couple of messages
with Silvercore  Podcast listeners

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and Silvercore Club members
wanting to know the ins and

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outs of hunting from horseback.

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This is an area that I
don't have any knowledge on.

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So I reach out to my animal, loving
eating an acro Buddhist oppositional

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defiance disorder friend, Rob Chipman,
Rob, welcome to the Silvercore Podcast.

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Thanks, Travis.

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Um, it's exciting and scary to be here.

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I'm looking around this fantastic
studio and I'm thinking, who is

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this guy who is living the dream?

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It's like my own personal
Joe Rogan experience.

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It's pretty impressive.

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Um, so yeah, thanks for having me.

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I should preface this by saying I
am in no way, any kind of expert

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about horses or horseback hunting
or frankly hunting in general.

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But, uh, I do get my, I do get my
nose dirty on it, so I probably

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have some insights that I can.

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Well, I should also preface this by
saying that the topic of talking about

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horseback hunting was really just a hook
to get you on the Silvercore Podcast,

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because you are such a wealth of knowledge
of hunting and so many other things.

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And I figured if I could just pull the
core coat, it gets you on a roll man.

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The wisdom that you have been
able to dispense over, simple

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conversations that I've had with you
in the past has been pretty good.

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So if we can distill that and put
that into a podcast, and if it just

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happens to be from, I don't know,
starting a boat, talking about horseback

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hunting and seeing where that goes.

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Awesome.

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That is, that is funny.

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Um, so, so

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horses, I mean, so, okay.

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I, I look at this and I say, I've
got a side-by-side I got some quads.

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I fueled them up.

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They work when I need them to work.

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As long as the batteries charged and
things are running as they ought to.

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Okay.

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That's easy.

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Like there is a romantic idea
to riding on a horse, but what

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a pain in the ass, it has
kind of been in the ass.

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There's no question about that.

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Um, you know, same thing, I've
got a couple pickup trucks, I've

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got a little Suzuki sidekick, I've
got a quad, used them all canoe.

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I've flown into places and, uh, you know,
all these things get you to the trail.

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Head horses are a whole new level.

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Um, not a whole new level.

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They're a whole different level as a kid.

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Like a lot of people that do what we do,
you know, I read books about explorers

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and trappers and things like that.

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And there was an image that
it would be really cool to do.

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What mountain men did, you
know, go west, find some.

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Indigenous people make a trade for
them, gets them horses, go up into

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the mountains and do whatever.

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And, uh, it takes a
while for that to happen.

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As a, as a teenager, I
know an old guy, right.

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So long time ago, I started.

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I wa I wanted to go ride some
horizontal trail ride, so saved up

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some money, went on a trail ride.

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Yeah.

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It's kind of boring.

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You know, some teenage girl leads you
around and you go in a file and, but

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you're riding a horse, so that's good.

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Kind fun.

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Right?

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Yup.

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A little later I ended up living
in central America and I got

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access to a horses down there.

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Two different types of horses there.

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There's a, there's a kind of
horse called Andalusian, which

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is a very well-bred nice horse.

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And they have a specific
gate and rich people on them.

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Okay.

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And then there are little jungle horses
that if you're out in the jungle,

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you might get on top of, in there.

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They're tiny, they're smaller
even than horses around here, but

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they're very good, very tough.

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And you know, as a, as a teenager,
you go out and somebody says, Hey,

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you want to get on these horses.

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We just brought them in from
the, from the mountains.

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They're all covered with ticks and you
ride in a bare back and they're a little

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bit crazy, but you're young and it's fun.

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Sure.

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And then you go to.

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And you have a career and you do
it forever and ever, and ever.

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And if you're not creative, like
me, you just put your nose to

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the grindstone and pay the bills.

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And then like 2016 comes along.

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And in that year I made a deal
with a long-term employee to

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sell them half of my business.

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Okay.

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It's on a five-year buyout.

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Yeah.

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So he bought half and we did a
five-year transition at which

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time he would buy the other half.

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And the reason I bring that up is
because 2016 was a time when I said

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I'm going to be moving into retirement.

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What will I do?

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I should buy a vinyl sided rancher
in Qualicum beach and mow the lawn.

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Okay.

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That was a very attractive,
very attractive.

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I can see that I said so I
should do some other stuff.

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And, uh, one of the things I
wanted to do was I wanted to do

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more hunting and more exploring.

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I've always, I've always had the chance.

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I've always, I've always taken advantage
of the, the opportunities to go explore

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new areas, go do cool stuff, outdoors,
you know, go diving, go traveling through

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the desert, go into the jungle, go into
the mountains, do all that sort of stuff.

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Yeah.

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It's a lot of fun.

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Um,

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I got in touch with a character.

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Um, a lot of people recognized the name,
his name's, Larry Woodrow, I Alma lattes.

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I recognize the name, respect
the guy, very grateful to him.

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Um, and yet his name will come up around
campfires in the strangest places.

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Guys go, oh, you know, Woodrow do.

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Yeah.

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Anyway, I, I had some friends and we
wanted to do some sort of epic, uh, hunt.

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And so I, I emailed Larry and I
said, we want to do an epic hunt.

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What's the best thing to do.

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Should we fly in somewhere or
should we take some horses?

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Cryptic email comes back mile 2 74,
Alaska highway rent the horses from Stan.

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I've got the maps go in light, come
out heavy if you know what I mean.

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Okay.

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I guess float planes.

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Aren't the way to go.

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You'd go with horses, right?

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I don't know who Stan is.

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I don't know what we
do about a week later.

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He sent me another email and he
said, every year I organize a

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ride along the Fraser breaks.

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There's no fee it's by invitation only.

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Here's your invitation?

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Nice.

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Like, okay, good.

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So I went on that trip with him and, uh,
I turned up and the first morning there's

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a rancher up there who rents horses to
people who don't know what's going on.

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And he had a young girl working
for him and she was riding this old

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horse and she said, this is ginger.

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This is who you're going to be riding.

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She's a little bit rank.

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So I would just ride in
the Bronx, out of her.

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Okay.

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And of course I look at her, I go, okay.

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Yeah, you're just, you're
just ribbon the new guy.

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So that's fine.

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It's early in the morning.

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Everybody's getting ready and
you don't want to be late.

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So I'm looking at the horse.

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I'm ready to go.

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As everybody's getting organized.

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And I asked Larry, Hey,
everything here looked good.

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And he comes over and looks at the horses.

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Yeah, it looks pretty good.

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Uh, I think I would
tighten up that rear cinch.

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Okay.

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So he does tightens it up a little bit.

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Okay, great.

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Comes time to go saddle up,
swearing up into the saddle.

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This horse starts bucking a little bit.

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I'm really clear.

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My job is to stay on top of this horse.

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So my feet are in the stirrups.

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I'm out of the saddle
in front of the horn.

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The horns pushed up my rear end
and the girl who had been making.

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Riding the bronc out of her is Patra fide.

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Oh no, she's not.

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She's she's going.

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Oh no, this is, you know, and I
could tell she hadn't expected this.

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We get it straightened out and
somebody goes, oh yeah, no, she's

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a, she's a really good horse.

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She doesn't like that
rear cinch being down.

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So that was good.

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Went through that spent a weekend.

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There did some great riding, saw, saw
some fantastic stuff and then went

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away to see a guy called Stanwell.

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Lives in McBride has an operation
called blue Creek outfitting.

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Right?

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You go up there.

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I think I spent a week
or something like that.

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And you go to his farm, his ranch, his,
whatever he's got, he's got, you know,

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120, 160 acres in McBride, beautiful area.

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If you ever have a chance to be
up there in the summertime when

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the days are long, it's fantastic.

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It's nestled in the it's
nestled in the mountains.

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It's just unbelievable.

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Very small town.

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Make sure you got everything
you need before five o'clock

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has everything shuts down.

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But anyway, went in there and
took the course from Stanford.

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What Stan does is he teaches you a little
bit about horses, teaches you how to put

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pack saddles on horses and do a double
diamond hitch and, you know, weigh packs

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and all that kind of stuff, hobble horses.

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And at the end of the course, he
lets you take a saddle horse and a

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pack horse up into the mountains up.

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You go and you go up there and you
can all your own or with a group or.

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It's your choice.

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So, you know, you've been with these
people for a week, hanging out, Catherine.

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She say, okay, let's all, you
know, we'll all go up together.

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And it turned out that we all
went together and it was fine.

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We got up there and we can't
go up to a place called Mount

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Lucille, beautiful place.

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Get up over the tree line and you're
in the Alpine and go up there camp

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overnight next day, ride around
fool around and spend another night.

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And then you come down, came back,
went for the next ride with Larry.

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And he said, how'd it go, Stan?

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He said, yeah, I think we're went okay.

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Right.

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Well, did he say you
could rent the horses?

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Oh, I have no idea.

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I wasn't paying attention
and Larry's gone.

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That was the whole point called them up.

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Sure enough.

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He'd rent me the horses.

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I was a little bit dumbfounded
because I'm thinking this is too easy.

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You're going to give me
a bunch of your horses.

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I'm going to go into the
woods for a week or 10 days.

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And you're going to say good luck
and I'm going to bring them back

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and we're all going to be okay.

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Yup.

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That's what we're going to do.

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Nice.

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Okay.

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So we did that and, uh, went out
and, uh, did a trip with a few of my

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friends and, uh, their sons and we were
out moose hunting and it was great.

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We're not really successful with it.

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Sure.

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Um, but it was okay.

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And it's a lot of work.

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And I guess I can explain
a bit of that later.

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Um, later we did another trip where
we rented the horses from Stan

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and we went up to these lake and
then we went down the Jade road.

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And after a while of going down the Jade
road, some people will know this, but just

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south of just south of DS lake, there's
a little camps that I think it's a 10.

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River campsite or something like that.

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If you've been to these lake, you'll
know you come down a long hill, about

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four miles, five miles before it he's
like, and it's on other right outside.

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Sure.

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So we go in there and we cap and there's
a road there called the Jade Boulder road.

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And I think on one of the reality TV
channels, Uh, show that shows guys

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getting Jade out of the mountains and
that's that road takes you to that area.

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It goes all the way up over the, over
the, the, the hill or the mountains on

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the, uh, on the east side of highway 37.

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And it goes to, it goes all the
way down to the Turnagain river.

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And so we went in there and we're
hunting caribou and we took the

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horses in and got some Caribbean came
back and, uh, it worked really well.

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It was funny because
Stan, Stan's a great guy.

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Um, and he'll make all kinds of deals.

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I don't know if he's still renting
horses for guys to go out the woods he

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used to, but he's getting older now.

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He does still do the clinics because
I've seen on social media that he's got

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some younger people helping him out.

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Okay, good.

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Uh, yeah, we, Stan said, oh, you
know, do you think you guys have a

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truck that might be able to pull it.

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And so we arranged that.

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So we go up and it's, it's pretty
hands-on and, and, and up close and

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personal with him because he takes
one trailer with a bunch of horses.

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We take another trailer with a bunch
of horses and away we go start driving

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from McBride, through prince George.

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We stopped overnight and Smithers found
a place to, uh, find a place to keep the

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horses, ran into a rancher there who once
he heard that we had horses, he said, oh

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yeah, I'll hook you up, come down here.

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And he put us on a piece of his property
and we had the horses overnight.

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Next, next night, we went up to Dee's
lake and we went, and so it was great.

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Come back after a week, give the
horses back to Stan and then he

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just moved them onto somebody else.

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He would, he would rent them out
to guides and things like that.

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So it was good time.

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Um, what's involved, right?

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Again, I'm not an expert, but I've
learned a few things about horses

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because after those trips, um, I
ran into, uh, we're doing another

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one of the rides along the Fraser.

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And I was up there early and a lady
turned up and she drove in and saw

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new car come in and said, oh, here's
a new person who is coming down.

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And she started walking down
and I go, I recognize her.

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She's the sister of a
friend of my brothers.

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And I had met her on the west
coast of Vancouver island.

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Cause we were out salmon
fishing and she was around.

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So bumped into each other.

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Oh, there you go.

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At that time, Larry was getting a
little bit past organizing the rides

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and he wanted to hang out, hand it off
to somebody else to organize the ride.

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So he had it off to, to pat and
I, and we've, we started doing

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that few hiccups with COVID and
fires, but that's what we do.

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And we're doing it again this year, but,
uh, I got together with her after the

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ride and said, okay, we better organize
what we're going to do for next year.

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There's not a lot of
organization going on.

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So we met for coffee.

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We talked about that
for about five minutes.

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And then I said, what's new.

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And she said, I bought a horse.

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Really do tell.

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Yeah.

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So she told me what the deal was, how she
bought the horse and where the setup was.

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And so I went down there and next
thing you know, I'm talking to

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the guy who runs it and he says,
yeah, I've got a horse here.

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I'd sell.

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Yeah.

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This one's probably pretty good.

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He could do what you need them to do.

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Go take them for a few rides.

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See what it's like, I'm still a
bit of a neophyte in horses, but

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I took them out, rode them around.

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And I said, well, will he like
walking the Blackberry bushes?

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If I tell him to, he would,
he'd go in until it was gone.

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You know what, buddy?

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This is getting a little much, you
know, Willie go and circle around trees.

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Can I take them up to a gate
and try and open the gate?

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Things like that.

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Um, probably not stuff that you'll find
in a horse book that says, here's how

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you, here's, how you evaluate a horse.

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But he was clearly, he was clearly a
very willing and well-trained horse.

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So I said, okay, I think I'll, I think
I'll buy this horse, went down to the guy

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and said, okay, I've got the cash here.

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I'll, I'll buy the horse.

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And he said, I don't know if
I really want to sell them.

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Oh, come on.

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And I'm going after all that, I've got
the cash in my hand, you're supposed

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to play hard to get beforehand,
already down for doing this.

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Well, the fact was he was a good horse
and, and the guy who had them Darcy liked

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them and kind of wanted to keep them.

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And he was afraid I was
going to take them away.

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And so when I said, no, I'm
not going to take him off.

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He'll be around here.

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If you want to use them, you
can use them any time, you know?

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Cause he was boarding the horse for me.

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And so we worked out and we got the horse.

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I've still got him to this day.

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He's he's he's he's, he's getting older.

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Sure.

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Every time I have, uh, the vet grind
his teeth or check them out, they say,

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yeah, this whole, this horse really.

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I looked at him and I say,
he's like me, he's old.

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He still goes out and does it when we go
out in the mountains and we're growing

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up, but he'll he, I have to hold him back.

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He, he really, yeah.

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He loves it out there.

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Okay.

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So we did that, bought a horse
and, and, and got involved in it.

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Yeah.

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And, uh, and it's been great.

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And so I take him out and, uh, for a
while I had a couple, I had a good pack

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horse as well, but I I've split that
with my, uh, with my other partner.

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She's got her own way with
him with, with that mirror.

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So anyway, we're doing that.

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Who can do this?

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Anybody who does any kind of back country
hunting, anybody who drives the pickup

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to the end of the four wheel drive
road and throws on a pack and walks

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into the woods and, you know, spends
a few nights back there can do it.

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Anybody who flies in on a float plane can
do it, but there is a lot of work, uh, And

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there's different ways that it looks like.

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And there's a question of where do you
get your horses and what can you do?

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So how should I best describe that?

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When, uh, when I took the, uh, when I
took the course with Stan, one thing

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you do is you learn about horses and you
learn how to hobble them up, cause you

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don't want them to run away at night.

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So you actually hobbled their legs.

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You hobble their legs.

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There's a there's
different types of hobbles.

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The ones I was introduced
to were chain hobbles.

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Okay.

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With a little bit of
bicycle tube around them.

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Okay.

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Uh, you know, bicycle, inner tube around
the parts that go around the, the horses.

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Ankles, you're locking up your
horse at night, locking up your

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horse at night, but of course
horses figure out how to do that.

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So sometimes you tie them up as well.

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It depends.

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A lot of guys will just say, you know,
what, make sure that you camp on the

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home side of the trail and put the
horses on the wayside of the camp.

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So that way at.

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If they come walking through the
camp, you'll hear them and you'll

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know you can catch them because
otherwise there'll be far away.

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Well, can they, they can
still walk with the hobbles.

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They can still walk.

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In fact, uh, in one of the trips,
we brought them back to a buddy's

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ranch and we hobbled them up and
set them loose outside the little

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fence area where his cabins are
and they came back and they jumped.

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Offense with hobbles.

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Wow.

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I have chased horses.

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I don't know how long, but I've
chased horses on hobbles a long time.

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They can figure it out long enough that
when you finally catch up with them yeah.

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You're winded and you have to fight the
urge to punch the horse in the hand.

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It's fairly frustrated.

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You'll be so angry.

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Yeah.

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I won't use profanity, but you will.

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If you're in that
situation, I could see that.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But that's fine.

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Horse stands.

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Horses are, are well-trained
and they're good.

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They're good.

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They're good workers.

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Um, but when they stop working,
they know, they know the Workday's

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over and they get up to there.

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They get up to the things.

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So what I learned from that
was, okay, it's not a problem.

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You get down in front of these
horses hoops, and you put hobbles

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on them and you try not to get
kicked or pushed over or beat up.

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What I learned later is Stan's
horses are really well-trained.

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Uh, okay.

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Not all horses will do that.

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Um, I tried that with my, uh,
with my gelding flash and I

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threw some hobbles on them.

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Yeah.

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And, uh, of course being the kind of
guy I might did it while I was alone

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and I had him on a lead and I put on the
hobbles and he did not like him at all.

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And so I had a rodeo on the end of a,
of a 10 foot lead line and I had to

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figure out how am I going to get these
hobbles off this horse or that horse has.

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Right.

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Flash, calm down.

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I'll fix you up.

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And he did, and I took him off.

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Same thing happened with pack boxes.

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For some reason, I thought
that he knew how to pack.

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And I thought that I put
pack boxes on them before.

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And, uh, I was confused.

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I'd put them on the mirror.

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So I put them on him.

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Yeah.

00:21:11.610 --> 00:21:12.420
He didn't like him.

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He took off for a run and I had a
chain sign gas and everything in

00:21:16.680 --> 00:21:21.540
the pack boxes already went off
for a run through the trees, spread

00:21:21.540 --> 00:21:22.980
everything all over the place.

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It was quite, it was quite, quite fun.

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Somebody else in the camp set,
I thought we had a grizzly

00:21:27.390 --> 00:21:28.560
bear coming through the camp.

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Well, how do you get

00:21:29.190 --> 00:21:30.360
the horseback when it takes off?

00:21:30.360 --> 00:21:30.900
And you like that?

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You just hope and pray

00:21:31.950 --> 00:21:37.500
that well, you know, horses
are like a lot of animals.

00:21:37.500 --> 00:21:40.710
If you have a good relationship
with them, they're, they're a

00:21:40.710 --> 00:21:42.630
willing part of that relationship.

00:21:42.630 --> 00:21:47.610
So in this particular case, flash,
my gelding was all worked out.

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But when I said, Hey,
relax, I'll fix you up.

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He looks at me.

00:21:53.535 --> 00:21:54.105
He goes, okay.

00:21:54.105 --> 00:21:54.705
I trust you.

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And so he slowed down and I caught him and
I fixed them up, but it was a nightmare.

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No kidding.

00:22:00.825 --> 00:22:02.085
It was, it was a lot of fun.

00:22:02.715 --> 00:22:06.585
Um, so if you want to hunt from
horses, there's two ways to do it.

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I guess one is that you get on a horse
and you just go walking through the woods.

00:22:12.135 --> 00:22:17.505
And if you see something you're
going to say, I'm going to stop.

00:22:17.505 --> 00:22:21.375
I'm going to tie up the horse and
I'm going to, you know, I'm going

00:22:21.375 --> 00:22:25.305
to figure out how I can maybe
make an approach on this animal.

00:22:25.875 --> 00:22:29.565
Um, another way that looks is you
get on the horse and your ride

00:22:29.565 --> 00:22:33.375
out of camp and you go to an area
that you want to hunt and you tie

00:22:33.375 --> 00:22:35.775
up the horse and then you go hunt.

00:22:36.255 --> 00:22:37.605
So for instance, there's a place in.

00:22:38.850 --> 00:22:46.379
So central interior that we go to and
it's very steep, not perfect horse

00:22:46.379 --> 00:22:48.600
country, but you can make use of them.

00:22:49.080 --> 00:22:53.760
And so you go up to a great glassing
place and you tie the horses up, back

00:22:53.760 --> 00:22:58.290
in the trees and you set up the tripod
and the scope and you look around and

00:22:58.710 --> 00:23:02.790
you know, you see a bear and you say,
oh, how are we going to get that bearer?

00:23:02.850 --> 00:23:08.370
Whatever your thing, the other
way to do it is to pack into a

00:23:08.370 --> 00:23:13.050
location and then stop using the
horses for all intents and purposes.

00:23:13.470 --> 00:23:15.870
Let's put bells on them,
maybe put some hobbles on.

00:23:16.725 --> 00:23:20.115
And you set them up into a bowl and they
just eat and you just keep an eye on them.

00:23:20.115 --> 00:23:23.475
You try and keep them cause they'll
wander, but then you go hunt.

00:23:24.405 --> 00:23:26.445
So for instance, Dee's
lake that's what we did.

00:23:26.835 --> 00:23:29.625
So we would, we would turn the
horses out in a good area and we'd

00:23:29.625 --> 00:23:32.205
put them in a bowl or in some area
where they had lots of food and you'd

00:23:32.205 --> 00:23:34.155
say, they'll probably stay here.

00:23:34.715 --> 00:23:35.175
They will.

00:23:35.504 --> 00:23:37.815
And then you just go climb the mountain
and you got up to the top of the

00:23:37.815 --> 00:23:41.655
mountain and you go look for caribou or
whatever it is you're you're looking for.

00:23:42.465 --> 00:23:44.565
And, uh, it's fun.

00:23:47.235 --> 00:23:48.825
You can run into problems.

00:23:48.885 --> 00:23:54.285
Um, like anything else, again, anybody
who's gone out and done back country

00:23:54.525 --> 00:23:57.915
hunting, you know, you think, well,
it's going to be beautiful blue sky

00:23:57.915 --> 00:23:59.805
weather, everything will be fantastic.

00:23:59.805 --> 00:24:03.315
And then the next thing you know,
yeah, you get snowed in and didn't

00:24:03.345 --> 00:24:05.055
get to where you wanted to be.

00:24:05.925 --> 00:24:10.815
You can't find firewood or the firewood
you find is really, you know, terrible.

00:24:11.685 --> 00:24:12.465
You figure it out.

00:24:12.525 --> 00:24:12.915
Sure.

00:24:13.125 --> 00:24:17.790
You know, So when I say I'm not an expert
in horses, there's a lot of this stuff

00:24:17.820 --> 00:24:21.450
that, you know, I figured out, right.

00:24:21.570 --> 00:24:26.070
And if you have a group of guys with you
who are similar, you can pull it off.

00:24:26.490 --> 00:24:27.480
Now there's other ways to do it.

00:24:27.480 --> 00:24:31.410
You can, you can have Outfitters, take
you in and you just ride the Orson.

00:24:31.410 --> 00:24:33.210
It's their horses, and
they'll take care of it.

00:24:33.210 --> 00:24:36.000
Or you can go on a guided hunt
and there'll be a Wrangler, but

00:24:36.000 --> 00:24:37.860
if you're doing it yourself, if
you figure out how to get the

00:24:37.860 --> 00:24:40.470
horses, you need to wrangle them.

00:24:40.470 --> 00:24:41.850
You have to take in some food.

00:24:41.850 --> 00:24:44.940
Most of the time, you need to
find places where they can eat.

00:24:45.360 --> 00:24:49.830
And you have to, you have to look
for places where horses can go.

00:24:50.129 --> 00:24:51.600
Is it a lot of food you have to bring in?

00:24:51.780 --> 00:24:54.090
You don't have to bring in a lot,
because what you'll do is you'll bring

00:24:54.090 --> 00:24:57.330
in little pallets or you'll bring
in alfalfa cubes, things like that.

00:24:57.330 --> 00:25:01.770
So you supplement it and some
guys don't, but, but I do.

00:25:01.860 --> 00:25:03.780
I like it when you bring,
if you, if you bring horses.

00:25:04.605 --> 00:25:05.685
From a trip like that.

00:25:05.685 --> 00:25:08.175
You like people to say these
horses are in good shape.

00:25:08.715 --> 00:25:09.675
Good care of them.

00:25:10.365 --> 00:25:13.665
If you go in for a long, long trip, you
have to worry about things like shoes.

00:25:13.665 --> 00:25:15.255
A horse may throw a shoe.

00:25:15.465 --> 00:25:15.825
Okay.

00:25:16.005 --> 00:25:19.365
Um, if you have somebody who knows a
little bit about shoeing, that's great.

00:25:19.425 --> 00:25:21.825
Otherwise you might have
to say, figure it out.

00:25:21.855 --> 00:25:24.585
We have to walk this horse out
without putting a big load on them.

00:25:24.915 --> 00:25:25.725
Things like that.

00:25:26.265 --> 00:25:26.385
Well,

00:25:26.385 --> 00:25:29.775
how much load can a typical

00:25:29.775 --> 00:25:30.555
horse take?

00:25:31.575 --> 00:25:35.325
I'm going to say a horse can
take, let me figure it out.

00:25:35.985 --> 00:25:40.425
I, they can take a lot, but what,
what I do, these are my guidelines.

00:25:40.455 --> 00:25:44.595
I'm going to say about
110 hundred and 20 pounds.

00:25:45.225 --> 00:25:45.555
Okay.

00:25:45.885 --> 00:25:50.505
Now you can get a bigger horse that
can take more, but I'm not a big guy.

00:25:50.625 --> 00:25:52.695
So if you have a bigger
horse, the horse is taller.

00:25:52.995 --> 00:25:55.035
I'd have to tie that knot on top of the.

00:25:56.010 --> 00:25:57.149
Or on top of the pack saddles.

00:25:57.149 --> 00:25:57.360
Right?

00:25:57.510 --> 00:26:01.080
So what you do is you have to pack boxes
and then you usually have a big bag or

00:26:01.080 --> 00:26:02.610
a couple of small bags on top of that.

00:26:03.209 --> 00:26:08.250
So you're tying the knot and it's
usually over your head, maybe you're

00:26:08.250 --> 00:26:11.340
standing on a, on a log or something,
but maybe you don't have that.

00:26:11.340 --> 00:26:12.590
So you have to do some by fields.

00:26:12.590 --> 00:26:16.770
So it's the first thing that happens when
you look at this, as you go, I need to

00:26:16.770 --> 00:26:22.979
get a great big Belgian or Clydesdale so
I can load a lot of stuff on them, right.

00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:25.229
It's probably not the way to go.

00:26:25.260 --> 00:26:26.879
Make sure you have a horse that fits you.

00:26:27.360 --> 00:26:27.780
Okay.

00:26:27.929 --> 00:26:33.060
I should say the reason that this started
my wife got my, my wife was not a hunter.

00:26:33.689 --> 00:26:35.040
Didn't know about firearms.

00:26:36.540 --> 00:26:37.350
She married me.

00:26:37.500 --> 00:26:39.750
She said, this guy has got
guns and he's a killer.

00:26:39.750 --> 00:26:40.830
That's a little weird.

00:26:40.860 --> 00:26:42.570
I don't feel comfortable.

00:26:43.169 --> 00:26:45.750
So she took the firearms
course in the core course.

00:26:46.590 --> 00:26:47.640
And that was great.

00:26:47.700 --> 00:26:51.330
I want her to take the core course because
like everybody else, this is awesome.

00:26:51.400 --> 00:26:53.730
I'll get more Leh opportunities.

00:26:54.540 --> 00:26:55.050
There you go.

00:26:55.110 --> 00:26:57.690
She wanted to take the firearms
course, cause she thought I'm scared

00:26:57.690 --> 00:27:00.390
of these things and I should find
out what's going on with them.

00:27:00.810 --> 00:27:01.590
So she did that.

00:27:01.860 --> 00:27:03.270
Lo and behold, you got a moose draw.

00:27:04.230 --> 00:27:07.200
We went up shot the moose.

00:27:08.550 --> 00:27:10.710
My wife is smaller than me.

00:27:10.920 --> 00:27:11.160
Yep.

00:27:11.280 --> 00:27:13.230
Hopefully I don't get in
trouble for saying this, but if

00:27:13.230 --> 00:27:13.950
you're going to go hunt moose.

00:27:15.360 --> 00:27:17.220
Don't take somebody who's about a buck 20.

00:27:18.350 --> 00:27:21.450
He don't carry well, they
probably carry their weight.

00:27:21.480 --> 00:27:25.740
They don't make enough of a, they don't
make enough of a dent in the task.

00:27:25.750 --> 00:27:26.880
That's a lot of weight.

00:27:27.390 --> 00:27:28.770
It's a lot, it's a lot of weight.

00:27:29.130 --> 00:27:33.870
Um, the good part is I got the
classic Joe Rogan pitcher with, uh,

00:27:33.990 --> 00:27:36.990
you know, me standing in the metal
with a moose leg over my shoulder.

00:27:37.770 --> 00:27:39.960
Show that one when they, when
they put me in the ground.

00:27:40.050 --> 00:27:40.560
Yeah.

00:27:41.160 --> 00:27:44.640
But the bad part is it's a
lot of weight and I just said,

00:27:44.640 --> 00:27:45.570
I'm getting too old for this.

00:27:45.570 --> 00:27:46.530
I need to get horses.

00:27:46.590 --> 00:27:46.980
Right.

00:27:47.370 --> 00:27:50.130
So that of course is why you
say I need to get a big horse.

00:27:50.340 --> 00:27:50.730
Right.

00:27:51.060 --> 00:27:52.200
And I'll do that.

00:27:52.440 --> 00:27:54.810
And you'll carry a ton of
weight and we'll have it licked.

00:27:55.530 --> 00:27:57.090
So it doesn't work that way.

00:27:57.600 --> 00:27:59.370
Get a horse, get a horse that fits you.

00:27:59.580 --> 00:27:59.970
Okay.

00:28:00.060 --> 00:28:04.950
Um, for me that means a horse
that I can tie not on top of once.

00:28:04.950 --> 00:28:06.060
He's got the pack saddles on.

00:28:07.290 --> 00:28:11.909
And for a saddle horse, it means something
where the stirrups are close enough

00:28:11.909 --> 00:28:15.090
to the ground that I just lift up my
foot and my foot fits in the stirrup.

00:28:15.179 --> 00:28:19.020
And then when I'm sitting in the saddle,
the stirpes are the right length, right.

00:28:19.169 --> 00:28:24.030
So, you know, big horses are great,
but yet you end up having to jump on

00:28:24.030 --> 00:28:28.230
them from the side hill or a rock or
a mounting block and things like that.

00:28:28.370 --> 00:28:29.340
Again, you have to figure it out.

00:28:29.550 --> 00:28:29.610
I

00:28:29.610 --> 00:28:30.689
figured it's kind of like a boat.

00:28:30.899 --> 00:28:34.770
Boat's always too big when you're fueling
and too big when you're pouring it.

00:28:34.770 --> 00:28:36.270
And second you have it on the

00:28:36.270 --> 00:28:36.600
water.

00:28:36.600 --> 00:28:37.409
It's too small.

00:28:37.560 --> 00:28:38.639
Yeah, exactly.

00:28:38.669 --> 00:28:39.210
Exactly.

00:28:39.720 --> 00:28:42.689
So anyway, yeah, that's what you
can do with horses and they'll get

00:28:42.689 --> 00:28:44.280
you into lots of great territory.

00:28:44.730 --> 00:28:45.210
It's good.

00:28:45.210 --> 00:28:48.720
If you like animals, horses
have character, they all have

00:28:48.720 --> 00:28:52.260
different characters and they
also have behavioral traits.

00:28:52.260 --> 00:28:55.500
They're they're they're they
have, they have a hierarchy.

00:28:56.159 --> 00:29:01.950
They like to be in sort of a
rhythm and a routine mayor's.

00:29:03.285 --> 00:29:04.935
Tend to push around geldings.

00:29:05.295 --> 00:29:09.135
Sometimes the geldings like it, because
the mayor's not too, too bitchy.

00:29:09.525 --> 00:29:13.575
Sometimes they don't horses
like to be in their herd.

00:29:14.055 --> 00:29:16.155
They don't like horses in other herds.

00:29:16.635 --> 00:29:19.515
And if you're not aware of those
things, you can get into trouble.

00:29:19.965 --> 00:29:26.865
Um, we were up hunting caribou
and a buddy got a caribou.

00:29:26.865 --> 00:29:27.405
He got a ball.

00:29:27.615 --> 00:29:28.004
Nice.

00:29:28.095 --> 00:29:30.405
And we're all in the same sort of area.

00:29:31.335 --> 00:29:34.215
And what happened was I'm trying
to think exactly how it happened.

00:29:34.215 --> 00:29:36.015
I won't have all the details,
but we were up on the mountain

00:29:36.015 --> 00:29:37.365
and I think we heard a shot.

00:29:38.235 --> 00:29:41.745
And so we looked down to where the shot is
and we start looking at the guys through

00:29:41.745 --> 00:29:48.195
the glass and it was funny because we
heard one shot and then we saw a cow

00:29:49.785 --> 00:29:52.815
and we thought, okay, so that's good.

00:29:52.905 --> 00:29:55.665
And then we heard another shot
and of course we're thinking, why

00:29:55.665 --> 00:29:57.225
is he trying to shoot that cow?

00:29:57.645 --> 00:29:58.725
This makes no sense.

00:29:58.754 --> 00:29:59.055
Right?

00:29:59.175 --> 00:30:02.730
Well, by the time we walked
out, He wasn't shooting the car.

00:30:02.740 --> 00:30:03.450
He was shooting the boat.

00:30:03.480 --> 00:30:04.350
We just didn't see the ball.

00:30:04.950 --> 00:30:05.310
So, yeah.

00:30:05.340 --> 00:30:05.909
Okay, great.

00:30:05.909 --> 00:30:06.600
This is awesome.

00:30:07.379 --> 00:30:14.280
Uh, YouTube process, the ball, we'll go
back, get the horses to drag them back.

00:30:14.639 --> 00:30:15.780
So we went and grabbed the horses.

00:30:16.169 --> 00:30:20.700
They like to stay in a herd and
they don't like to be separated,

00:30:21.389 --> 00:30:22.950
but we didn't need all the horses.

00:30:23.250 --> 00:30:24.629
And so I thought, well, you know what?

00:30:25.050 --> 00:30:26.700
We'll load the packs on a few.

00:30:26.850 --> 00:30:27.810
We're kind of in a hurry.

00:30:27.810 --> 00:30:30.960
It's the end of the day, it's going to
get dark and we need to get back there.

00:30:31.169 --> 00:30:34.020
So a load packs on a few, and
we'll take them up this Creek to

00:30:34.020 --> 00:30:36.990
where the, where the, where my
buddies have killed this bull.

00:30:37.780 --> 00:30:40.230
We'll just let the other
ones run free behind us.

00:30:40.260 --> 00:30:43.919
They'll want to follow
us while they do okay.

00:30:44.250 --> 00:30:46.440
But they also say I'm not working.

00:30:46.440 --> 00:30:46.800
I don't have.

00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:49.980
So we can get into fights.

00:30:50.400 --> 00:30:51.090
Oh, fun.

00:30:51.150 --> 00:30:51.550
Yeah.

00:30:51.550 --> 00:30:56.310
It's it's if you have the right attitude,
it's fun because you know, horses fight

00:30:56.310 --> 00:31:00.660
by kicking each other and the ones
with the packs that are being led.

00:31:00.840 --> 00:31:01.080
Yeah.

00:31:01.590 --> 00:31:02.430
Can you hand it back?

00:31:02.430 --> 00:31:05.340
They can't really fight back and
the horses that want to give them a

00:31:05.340 --> 00:31:10.590
beating, they'll go broad side to them
and start laying into them with yeah.

00:31:10.680 --> 00:31:11.250
Oh yeah.

00:31:11.730 --> 00:31:12.660
They'll break ribs.

00:31:13.050 --> 00:31:13.470
Oh yeah.

00:31:13.530 --> 00:31:16.410
Actually, uh, horses can kill
each other by kicking them.

00:31:16.860 --> 00:31:17.520
No kidding.

00:31:17.550 --> 00:31:18.090
No kidding.

00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:20.760
Oh, they're a part of the same
pack and they were all apart.

00:31:20.790 --> 00:31:21.060
They're all

00:31:21.060 --> 00:31:22.650
buddies from, yeah.

00:31:22.740 --> 00:31:23.640
I mean a story about that.

00:31:23.640 --> 00:31:27.690
I, uh, I went on a ride with a
friend of mine and I said, Hey,

00:31:28.020 --> 00:31:32.220
whatever happened that horse you had
last year, he got kicked by another

00:31:32.220 --> 00:31:37.830
horse, broke his leg, had to put
them down where I keep my horses now.

00:31:37.860 --> 00:31:42.270
I mean, in the, in the, in the
winter we take the back shoes off

00:31:42.300 --> 00:31:45.360
the back shoes, you know, when they,
they, they come off periodically.

00:31:46.710 --> 00:31:47.700
Take the back shoes off.

00:31:47.730 --> 00:31:48.450
He doesn't need them.

00:31:48.840 --> 00:31:52.860
And that keeps him if he kicks
somebody, he does less damage.

00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:53.880
Interesting.

00:31:53.880 --> 00:31:55.230
I never even thought of that.

00:31:55.300 --> 00:31:55.510
Yeah.

00:31:55.860 --> 00:31:56.310
Yeah.

00:31:56.580 --> 00:31:59.970
When I, when I found the place where I
had to move where my horse horses were.

00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:03.990
And so when I found the place where, where
I'm wearing, I'll keep the gelding walked

00:32:03.990 --> 00:32:09.330
up to it's a, it's a hobby farm in Langley
and went in there and looked at it.

00:32:09.540 --> 00:32:10.980
And the lady had some horses.

00:32:12.300 --> 00:32:17.100
I immediately walk up, I look at the
horses, they walk over to see me and none

00:32:17.100 --> 00:32:19.560
of them have bite marks or scars on them.

00:32:20.190 --> 00:32:27.510
And so I immediately say these are
nice horses like people, and they

00:32:27.510 --> 00:32:29.280
don't fight each other too much.

00:32:29.790 --> 00:32:30.850
What my getting in with them.

00:32:30.930 --> 00:32:34.740
It, it took about two months before
we put them together, but we let

00:32:34.740 --> 00:32:35.910
them be friends over the fence.

00:32:35.910 --> 00:32:37.320
So they're just separated by a fence.

00:32:37.320 --> 00:32:41.790
So they can't lay into each other,
but immediately upon getting

00:32:41.790 --> 00:32:45.270
in there, you could see he made
friends with the other old gelding.

00:32:46.230 --> 00:32:49.350
The old mayor was tolerant
would tolerate them.

00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:55.650
The younger mayor wanted to just
impose discipline upon them.

00:32:55.680 --> 00:32:56.220
Really?

00:32:56.250 --> 00:32:56.520
Yeah.

00:32:56.580 --> 00:32:56.850
Yeah.

00:32:57.060 --> 00:32:57.720
They don't do it.

00:32:57.750 --> 00:33:00.660
The why I never went through
my head that horses could be

00:33:00.750 --> 00:33:01.200
assholes.

00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:01.860
Like, yeah.

00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:02.160
Yeah.

00:33:02.190 --> 00:33:03.090
They, they do that.

00:33:03.570 --> 00:33:06.810
Um, when you're out riding horses,
if you're, if you're in a string

00:33:06.810 --> 00:33:11.670
of horses going through the woods,
it's usually better to be in a line.

00:33:11.910 --> 00:33:19.380
And it's usually better to be in align
that they like, ah, if you're not in that

00:33:19.620 --> 00:33:21.840
they will Jostle to get into position.

00:33:22.620 --> 00:33:25.920
And there can be competition
where the horse in front says, no,

00:33:25.920 --> 00:33:26.970
you're not getting ahead of me.

00:33:26.970 --> 00:33:28.410
So that horse will kick.

00:33:29.880 --> 00:33:30.450
So you just have

00:33:30.450 --> 00:33:33.840
to figure it out just to pay
attention and figure it out.

00:33:33.840 --> 00:33:34.050
Yeah.

00:33:34.050 --> 00:33:36.390
And so you say, you know, have
you ever been kicked by a horse?

00:33:36.690 --> 00:33:37.470
Absolutely.

00:33:37.950 --> 00:33:39.330
How usually?

00:33:39.330 --> 00:33:39.650
Right.

00:33:40.620 --> 00:33:43.260
A horse and another horse kicks the horse.

00:33:43.260 --> 00:33:47.520
You're riding misses, the horse
hits you, that kind of stuff.

00:33:47.820 --> 00:33:51.360
So there's probably horse people listening
to this go, Rob, you're an idiot.

00:33:51.689 --> 00:33:53.729
You don't know how to do this again.

00:33:53.969 --> 00:33:54.659
I figured it out.

00:33:55.110 --> 00:33:56.669
Horse kicks you a horse steps on you.

00:33:56.669 --> 00:33:57.360
A few times.

00:33:57.750 --> 00:33:58.560
You figure it out.

00:33:58.560 --> 00:33:59.760
You go pay attention.

00:34:00.459 --> 00:34:01.530
Don't wear flip flops.

00:34:01.919 --> 00:34:05.010
And if you are wearing,
flip-flops really pay attention.

00:34:07.139 --> 00:34:09.929
Lisa who listens to this
and works for Silvercore.

00:34:10.080 --> 00:34:11.940
And, uh, if you, if you call in.

00:34:12.630 --> 00:34:14.670
Looking for a membership,
looking for a chorus.

00:34:14.670 --> 00:34:18.030
You'll most likely be talking
to Lisa absolutely loves horses.

00:34:18.030 --> 00:34:22.560
And I know when this is over, she's
going to have some, uh, some advice

00:34:22.560 --> 00:34:24.270
and some, some thoughts on it, but

00:34:25.640 --> 00:34:25.770
sure.

00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:27.060
And she will believe me.

00:34:27.060 --> 00:34:29.970
There are lots of people who look
how I look at how I operate with

00:34:29.970 --> 00:34:34.590
courses and I'm sure they, they
shake their, they shake their heads.

00:34:35.190 --> 00:34:39.810
Um, again, I'll say my
job has remained the same.

00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:41.550
I got to stay on top of the horse.

00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:43.020
That's all I have to do.

00:34:43.230 --> 00:34:44.040
It's actually more than that.

00:34:44.070 --> 00:34:47.530
You've got to take care of the horse,
make sure that the horse is okay, but

00:34:47.550 --> 00:34:49.980
they got to come first before
you really want it to be

00:34:49.980 --> 00:34:50.520
successful.

00:34:50.700 --> 00:34:51.180
They do.

00:34:51.360 --> 00:34:51.810
They do.

00:34:51.810 --> 00:34:52.470
And I'm lucky.

00:34:52.470 --> 00:34:53.310
I like animals.

00:34:53.970 --> 00:34:57.840
And with horses, I didn't
know what could go wrong.

00:34:57.870 --> 00:34:59.790
I didn't know what would hurt them.

00:35:00.810 --> 00:35:04.170
Get advice with horses
where one guy will say.

00:35:04.734 --> 00:35:06.294
Yeah, don't worry about that.

00:35:06.294 --> 00:35:07.884
That's a long way from his heart.

00:35:08.125 --> 00:35:08.995
He'll be fine.

00:35:09.924 --> 00:35:16.194
And then you'll find people who probably
overcompensate too far the other

00:35:16.194 --> 00:35:21.865
direction, but then you'll run into a
guy who's a real horseman and you'll pick

00:35:21.865 --> 00:35:28.075
up some smart ideas from him that really
turns into, uh, a real life situation.

00:35:28.075 --> 00:35:33.145
I was out, we're doing a ride and I
was there early and a fellow turned

00:35:33.145 --> 00:35:37.345
up and we went and we went for a ride
and he said, let's go, let's go here.

00:35:37.345 --> 00:35:38.035
Let's go there.

00:35:38.754 --> 00:35:39.504
And I said, I don't know.

00:35:39.504 --> 00:35:44.274
You know, I know this trail and actually
that's something else you think about.

00:35:44.515 --> 00:35:47.964
It's not good to just take a
horse and go into the woods and

00:35:47.964 --> 00:35:49.225
think that you'll figure it out.

00:35:49.225 --> 00:35:53.214
When you're on your own two feet,
you can do that with a horse.

00:35:53.214 --> 00:35:54.265
It's a little tougher.

00:35:54.865 --> 00:35:58.314
It's always good to know that there's
a trail to where you want to go.

00:35:59.185 --> 00:35:59.904
And it's good.

00:35:59.904 --> 00:36:02.785
If somebody holds you by the
hand and takes you to the trail.

00:36:03.629 --> 00:36:04.470
That's good advice.

00:36:04.529 --> 00:36:12.720
And it doesn't matter how much
of a big stud you think you are.

00:36:13.649 --> 00:36:15.959
Cause, I mean, I I'm
really of the opinion.

00:36:15.990 --> 00:36:18.750
Check me out of a helicopter
in the middle of anywhere.

00:36:18.750 --> 00:36:19.859
I don't care where it is.

00:36:20.100 --> 00:36:20.729
I'll survive.

00:36:20.759 --> 00:36:21.450
I'll be fine.

00:36:21.509 --> 00:36:21.779
Sure.

00:36:21.899 --> 00:36:22.229
Right.

00:36:22.649 --> 00:36:27.180
Um, I'll go on trips and I'll
say, okay, if we're way back there

00:36:27.450 --> 00:36:32.790
and we break our leg, like how
are we going to figure this out?

00:36:33.270 --> 00:36:36.509
And if the, if the answer is
well, I mean, we'll split it

00:36:36.509 --> 00:36:38.189
up and we'll just crawl out.

00:36:38.220 --> 00:36:40.080
Cause we know where the sun sets.

00:36:40.080 --> 00:36:41.520
So we know where home is.

00:36:41.580 --> 00:36:41.759
Right.

00:36:41.790 --> 00:36:42.810
I go, okay, I'll do that.

00:36:43.529 --> 00:36:45.089
You can't really do that with horses.

00:36:45.089 --> 00:36:47.069
You gotta be, you gotta,
you gotta be prepared.

00:36:47.069 --> 00:36:48.660
So you gotta find that
you gotta find the trail.

00:36:49.049 --> 00:36:51.180
Anyway, this guy says,
let's go for this ride.

00:36:51.180 --> 00:36:51.660
I want to go here.

00:36:51.660 --> 00:36:52.200
I want to go there.

00:36:52.200 --> 00:36:53.850
I say, I think we should
go somewhere else.

00:36:53.879 --> 00:36:54.270
You know?

00:36:54.390 --> 00:36:59.189
Um, I'm not re I kind of know that area,
but I don't have the trail dialed in.

00:37:00.509 --> 00:37:01.680
Against my better judgment.

00:37:01.680 --> 00:37:02.490
We went that way.

00:37:03.359 --> 00:37:04.200
Got lost.

00:37:04.830 --> 00:37:08.220
We're riding along in this first
thing, the guy said to me, as he

00:37:08.220 --> 00:37:10.080
looked at my dear and he said,
you don't have enough gear.

00:37:10.440 --> 00:37:11.339
You do have more gear.

00:37:11.640 --> 00:37:14.640
How can you go riding around in
the woods without all, you know,

00:37:14.700 --> 00:37:15.750
you need this, you need that.

00:37:15.750 --> 00:37:16.500
You need the other thing.

00:37:16.830 --> 00:37:19.410
And then, okay, well, whatever
we'll, you know, we'll figure it out.

00:37:20.580 --> 00:37:23.370
I'm riding behind him and
we're way, way back there.

00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:27.210
And all of a sudden, everything
goes into slow motion.

00:37:27.210 --> 00:37:31.109
I see the horse start
falling over and he's on it.

00:37:31.560 --> 00:37:35.279
And I'm thinking to myself, wow,
this is going to be interesting.

00:37:35.339 --> 00:37:37.529
I'm about to see a guy get killed.

00:37:37.529 --> 00:37:40.410
As he rolls down the hill on a horse.

00:37:41.009 --> 00:37:44.819
This is going to be a great
story by the time it's all over.

00:37:44.819 --> 00:37:45.240
Sure.

00:37:45.299 --> 00:37:45.569
Right.

00:37:46.350 --> 00:37:46.620
Yeah.

00:37:46.799 --> 00:37:48.089
But you know, it's slow motion, right?

00:37:48.089 --> 00:37:52.560
It's like when you're in a car accident
and everything slows down, this horse hits

00:37:52.560 --> 00:37:54.870
the deck, the guy bails out and he's okay.

00:37:55.140 --> 00:37:57.779
But we've got this horse
lying on the ground.

00:37:57.779 --> 00:37:58.109
Won't get.

00:37:58.980 --> 00:38:00.420
Oh, no, I'm going okay.

00:38:00.420 --> 00:38:00.960
What do we do?

00:38:01.920 --> 00:38:03.390
Try and get them up, try and get them up.

00:38:03.390 --> 00:38:08.220
I remember seeing an old story where
some Cowboys were, uh, were trying to

00:38:08.220 --> 00:38:11.820
break a horse and to take his attention
away, the guy bit, the horses year.

00:38:11.820 --> 00:38:13.259
So I'm like pulling out all this stuff.

00:38:13.259 --> 00:38:15.330
So what can we do to get this horse up?

00:38:15.509 --> 00:38:15.810
Right.

00:38:16.590 --> 00:38:17.370
Really hard to do.

00:38:18.240 --> 00:38:19.230
We had three horses.

00:38:19.230 --> 00:38:24.420
We had one horse that we were trailing and
he was a big, his big pack horse draft.

00:38:24.990 --> 00:38:30.240
So we hooked him up and we eventually
got this horse to its feet, right.

00:38:30.330 --> 00:38:33.690
In a way we go the guy who was riding
the horse, that it's really important.

00:38:33.690 --> 00:38:34.620
We get this horse up.

00:38:35.130 --> 00:38:39.090
If we don't, if they stay down too long,
they just give up and they want to die.

00:38:39.730 --> 00:38:40.140
I love it.

00:38:40.170 --> 00:38:40.470
Yeah.

00:38:40.529 --> 00:38:44.400
Another thing that's important is
a horse uses his head to get up

00:38:44.430 --> 00:38:48.450
because there's a lot of weight in the
head and it's on the end of a neck.

00:38:48.779 --> 00:38:51.120
That's another thing to be careful
about by the way, if a horse swings

00:38:51.120 --> 00:38:52.440
his head around and inadvertently.

00:38:53.325 --> 00:38:54.165
You're going to smart.

00:38:54.345 --> 00:38:54.495
Yeah.

00:38:54.495 --> 00:38:55.545
You're going to get a concussion.

00:38:55.935 --> 00:38:56.955
Yeah, absolutely.

00:38:56.955 --> 00:39:00.855
So it's uh, anyway, we got this
horse up and I thought, okay, great.

00:39:00.915 --> 00:39:01.515
This is good.

00:39:01.634 --> 00:39:03.015
This is a learning experience for me.

00:39:03.015 --> 00:39:08.115
You know, what happened, horse put his
foot wrong, fell down, sprained ankle,

00:39:08.115 --> 00:39:09.495
or break a leg off and seemed okay.

00:39:09.495 --> 00:39:11.205
He was tired, got him back.

00:39:11.835 --> 00:39:16.515
And this was a guy who had said to me, you
know, I I'd put, I'd put some, uh, I'd put

00:39:16.515 --> 00:39:20.085
some hobbles on a horse and it, you know,
kinda caught up his ankles a little bit.

00:39:20.235 --> 00:39:23.775
And, uh, the guy said to me, yeah,
it's a long way from his heart.

00:39:23.775 --> 00:39:24.375
He'll be fine.

00:39:24.674 --> 00:39:24.975
Hmm.

00:39:25.455 --> 00:39:29.835
Well, later on, the guy was out riding
that horse again and the horse keeled

00:39:29.835 --> 00:39:33.195
over and, uh, almost almost died.

00:39:33.435 --> 00:39:37.995
It was a big deal and brought the horse
back and needed a bunch of attention.

00:39:38.685 --> 00:39:42.435
And that's when I ran
into a real horseman.

00:39:43.275 --> 00:39:45.855
And he explained that what had
happened is that horse had been

00:39:45.884 --> 00:39:49.935
overworked, uh, and had been.

00:39:50.819 --> 00:39:52.290
Yeah, just tired hope played out.

00:39:52.680 --> 00:39:52.839
Yeah.

00:39:52.839 --> 00:39:54.420
Because you can, you
can run them to death.

00:39:54.450 --> 00:39:55.380
You can run them to death.

00:39:55.410 --> 00:39:55.710
Right.

00:39:55.950 --> 00:40:00.690
And this wasn't so much running to death,
but he wasn't ready for the mountains.

00:40:00.870 --> 00:40:01.589
And it was tough.

00:40:02.730 --> 00:40:07.529
And horses, I guess, are, I mean, anybody
who knows dogs and, uh, is aware of,

00:40:07.529 --> 00:40:10.770
for example, border collies, a lot of
drive used to have a border Collie.

00:40:10.799 --> 00:40:11.700
Yeah, exactly.

00:40:11.700 --> 00:40:13.950
And you can, you can work
a border Collie to death.

00:40:14.160 --> 00:40:16.799
They w they will, they will
work themselves to death.

00:40:16.799 --> 00:40:21.450
So it's your job to make sure that you
don't do that same thing with horses.

00:40:21.450 --> 00:40:25.020
Make sure you don't get horses into a
problem where you, where you, where, where

00:40:25.020 --> 00:40:26.940
they're gonna gonna maybe hurt themselves.

00:40:27.660 --> 00:40:30.450
So the wise horseman said
to me, yeah, you know what?

00:40:30.450 --> 00:40:32.580
You gotta, you gotta watch out,
you gotta take care of the horses.

00:40:32.580 --> 00:40:34.529
You got to make sure they have
water, got to make sure they

00:40:34.529 --> 00:40:35.910
have feed things like that.

00:40:36.900 --> 00:40:38.730
And he was throwing
blankets on his horses.

00:40:39.120 --> 00:40:40.560
I'd seen lots of horses in the interior.

00:40:40.560 --> 00:40:41.460
I've seen him out in the snow.

00:40:41.460 --> 00:40:42.960
I've seen him out doing
all kinds of things.

00:40:43.830 --> 00:40:45.960
And again, with horses, it's similar dogs.

00:40:45.960 --> 00:40:46.529
You first get it.

00:40:48.360 --> 00:40:51.840
You project, some of your identity
onto them say, this dog is really

00:40:51.840 --> 00:40:56.250
great because I am braid and the dog
is really tough because I'm tough.

00:40:56.610 --> 00:41:03.030
And the dog shooting do her
discomfort because, because I can.

00:41:03.180 --> 00:41:03.570
Yeah.

00:41:03.600 --> 00:41:08.730
And you see that, you know, once you say
it, you understand how crazy that is.

00:41:09.630 --> 00:41:13.470
And what, what my friend said to me was he
said, these horses come up from the coast.

00:41:14.040 --> 00:41:15.300
They're not used to the interior.

00:41:15.750 --> 00:41:19.590
I throw blankets on them at night
because you know what, they're going

00:41:19.590 --> 00:41:21.000
to work hard for me in the daytime.

00:41:21.330 --> 00:41:23.310
And I want them to use
that energy in the daytime.

00:41:23.310 --> 00:41:26.880
I don't want them using the energy
overnight to keep themselves warm.

00:41:28.080 --> 00:41:31.440
And it was so counter to it's
a long way from his heart.

00:41:32.820 --> 00:41:36.150
And that's, that's something
you should keep in mind.

00:41:36.150 --> 00:41:38.760
If you want to take horses into
the woods, it's kind of like

00:41:38.760 --> 00:41:40.440
taking little kids into the woods.

00:41:41.280 --> 00:41:42.030
They'll love it.

00:41:42.210 --> 00:41:45.960
They'll have a fun time, but
you're going to have to remember.

00:41:46.695 --> 00:41:47.955
They haven't been fed for a while.

00:41:48.225 --> 00:41:50.415
Time to stop, stick some food in them.

00:41:50.625 --> 00:41:52.485
Otherwise we're going to have
a meltdown and we're going to

00:41:52.485 --> 00:41:54.765
have an unhappy group of kids.

00:41:54.975 --> 00:41:55.365
Right?

00:41:55.634 --> 00:41:56.265
So it's time.

00:41:56.895 --> 00:42:00.075
So it's similar with horses, except you're
dealing with a, with an animal that's a

00:42:00.075 --> 00:42:06.525
thousand to 1500 pounds and has long legs
and can break and stuff will go wrong.

00:42:07.095 --> 00:42:10.245
You'll want to find a way to
go down a hill and it will be a

00:42:10.245 --> 00:42:13.545
little steep, but you'll say, you
know, we're, cliffed out up here.

00:42:13.965 --> 00:42:15.615
We need to get down to that Creek bottom.

00:42:15.975 --> 00:42:17.205
That's where we have to go.

00:42:18.975 --> 00:42:22.605
And you don't have to be doing this
too long before you hear people

00:42:22.725 --> 00:42:28.725
share their story of when they
watched a pack horse roll down a hill

00:42:28.965 --> 00:42:31.245
until it fetched up against a tree.

00:42:32.384 --> 00:42:33.225
That'd be scary.

00:42:33.725 --> 00:42:36.765
It's a little scary sometimes
afterwards, you know, it's

00:42:36.765 --> 00:42:37.905
like that Steve Rinella thing.

00:42:37.935 --> 00:42:39.285
It's terrible while you're doing it.

00:42:39.315 --> 00:42:41.055
It's so much fun later.

00:42:41.115 --> 00:42:41.415
Right?

00:42:41.445 --> 00:42:42.225
Type two fun.

00:42:42.375 --> 00:42:43.065
Exactly.

00:42:43.155 --> 00:42:43.845
Exactly.

00:42:44.595 --> 00:42:45.405
Other things will happen.

00:42:45.405 --> 00:42:45.705
You know what.

00:42:47.010 --> 00:42:53.490
We're on a trip one time and, uh, we have
to get a, again, it's one of those things

00:42:53.490 --> 00:42:57.810
you got to get down from up high, down
low, and we're up north, we're in kind

00:42:57.810 --> 00:43:02.820
of Muskogee area and it's not great horse
country, but we're going to make it work.

00:43:03.390 --> 00:43:06.030
And, uh, a friend goes down.

00:43:06.030 --> 00:43:08.040
He says, yeah, I think we
can come down through here.

00:43:08.640 --> 00:43:11.850
And another friend follows
down and goes a little bit off.

00:43:12.360 --> 00:43:17.400
And all of a sudden America's riding
her back leg, goes into a hole and

00:43:17.400 --> 00:43:20.970
she's got three legs that are up at
one leg that is buried to her hip.

00:43:21.540 --> 00:43:24.510
And I'm up on the hill and I'm
thinking, oh my God, we're like

00:43:24.510 --> 00:43:25.800
two or three days into this.

00:43:26.730 --> 00:43:31.380
And we're at the next stage where we
level up, because we're going to have

00:43:31.380 --> 00:43:35.250
to shoot this horse now, thankfully.

00:43:36.315 --> 00:43:36.945
Great guys.

00:43:36.945 --> 00:43:40.515
I hang around with two of them
were immediately down, pulling

00:43:40.515 --> 00:43:41.835
rocks out, digging the horse out.

00:43:41.835 --> 00:43:43.185
We got the horse out and it was okay.

00:43:43.185 --> 00:43:45.465
It all worked out, but
you gotta be prepared.

00:43:45.465 --> 00:43:46.365
That kind of stuff.

00:43:46.515 --> 00:43:47.655
That is iteration.

00:43:47.865 --> 00:43:48.135
Yeah.

00:43:48.255 --> 00:43:49.005
Yeah, it could happen.

00:43:49.185 --> 00:43:51.975
So if we're going on with an
outfit or like Steamboat mountain

00:43:51.975 --> 00:43:54.615
Outfitters or something like that,
they're going to have somebody who's

00:43:54.615 --> 00:43:55.725
going to take care of that stuff.

00:43:55.755 --> 00:43:59.685
You're not going to run into that jackpot
and you'll get exposed to two horses.

00:43:59.685 --> 00:44:02.655
If you're going through, you
know, the muscular Chica with

00:44:02.685 --> 00:44:04.905
Wayne saw Chuck, same thing.

00:44:05.205 --> 00:44:07.485
There's going to be somebody
who knows more about it.

00:44:07.485 --> 00:44:11.055
If you're going in with a guide
outfitter, there's going to be a Wrangler

00:44:11.055 --> 00:44:12.705
there who takes care of that work.

00:44:13.605 --> 00:44:17.985
If you're doing it yourself,
you have to do it all yourself.

00:44:17.985 --> 00:44:21.195
Which means you got to
get up in the morning.

00:44:21.675 --> 00:44:22.595
Somebody else has me.

00:44:22.605 --> 00:44:23.595
Coffee, get breakfast.

00:44:23.595 --> 00:44:24.585
You got to get up in the morning.

00:44:24.585 --> 00:44:25.935
You got to go find the horses.

00:44:26.685 --> 00:44:28.215
You've probably got
them out in the meadow.

00:44:28.635 --> 00:44:29.415
They're hobbled.

00:44:29.415 --> 00:44:30.975
Perhaps they've got some bells.

00:44:30.975 --> 00:44:31.035
Yeah.

00:44:31.950 --> 00:44:34.620
But they can wander a lot in
the night as they're grazing.

00:44:34.799 --> 00:44:35.730
Like how far away

00:44:36.299 --> 00:44:36.629
would you be

00:44:36.629 --> 00:44:37.890
looking a mile?

00:44:38.100 --> 00:44:38.399
Yeah.

00:44:38.459 --> 00:44:38.700
Yeah.

00:44:38.730 --> 00:44:39.509
It could be a mile.

00:44:39.870 --> 00:44:42.020
Now think about that GPS.

00:44:42.029 --> 00:44:45.270
Um, uh, I don't okay.

00:44:45.299 --> 00:44:48.180
I don't know if guys can GPS
from the way they do dogs.

00:44:48.810 --> 00:44:50.819
Normally what's going to
happen when we're out.

00:44:50.819 --> 00:44:52.439
We're going to say this is where
we're going to camp, but the

00:44:52.439 --> 00:44:54.870
reason we're going to camp here
is there's water and there's feet.

00:44:55.410 --> 00:44:56.669
There's places to put the horses.

00:44:57.270 --> 00:44:58.640
Um, but you think.

00:45:00.210 --> 00:45:02.010
What are we going to do when
we get up in the morning?

00:45:02.010 --> 00:45:05.040
Now, if we've walked in, we've
probably got an area that

00:45:05.040 --> 00:45:06.360
we know we're going to hunt.

00:45:06.720 --> 00:45:08.760
We're going to get up before dark.

00:45:09.030 --> 00:45:12.420
We might go out there and find that place.

00:45:12.420 --> 00:45:15.630
We might go out with headlamps
with the red lamp, right.

00:45:15.660 --> 00:45:19.260
And climb the mountain and get up
there so that when the sun comes

00:45:19.260 --> 00:45:21.120
up, we're already positioned.

00:45:22.500 --> 00:45:26.160
Well, if you're going to have a bunch
of horses, that means you have to get

00:45:26.160 --> 00:45:27.540
up in the dark and take care of them.

00:45:28.230 --> 00:45:35.760
Or somebody stays behind a camp and takes
care of them, or you don't get up early in

00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:37.440
the morning and get to your spot in time.

00:45:37.650 --> 00:45:38.010
Right.

00:45:38.040 --> 00:45:38.910
So that's something that.

00:45:40.455 --> 00:45:43.605
At the end of the day, if you've been
using the horses through the day, you're

00:45:43.605 --> 00:45:45.945
gonna say, okay, so we get to camp.

00:45:45.975 --> 00:45:49.845
If camp's not set up, we need to set
up camp, whatever we're going to do.

00:45:49.845 --> 00:45:52.365
If we're going to put flies up
tents up, whatever we've got

00:45:52.365 --> 00:45:55.035
to do that, maybe gather some
firewood, get things organized.

00:45:55.035 --> 00:45:55.815
We need to do that.

00:45:56.295 --> 00:45:59.745
Somebody else has to take care of
the horses, get them all on saddle,

00:45:59.835 --> 00:46:05.295
get the tackle, organized, get the
horses, fed, get them hobbled, get

00:46:05.295 --> 00:46:08.205
them, get some bells on them and turn
them out where they're going to be.

00:46:08.205 --> 00:46:13.605
Okay if you're camping in air and you've
got horses that are ramble around, maybe

00:46:13.605 --> 00:46:20.205
a mile away with bells dinging all night
long, that might not bother some animals.

00:46:20.295 --> 00:46:23.385
I mean, you'll see pictures of
moose running right through orchard.

00:46:23.805 --> 00:46:24.225
Okay.

00:46:24.885 --> 00:46:25.695
But it might.

00:46:25.965 --> 00:46:26.325
Yeah.

00:46:26.385 --> 00:46:29.385
And there might be guys in your crew
who go, we haven't seen any games.

00:46:30.195 --> 00:46:35.385
I wonder if these horses are, are
the reason these walking tambourine.

00:46:36.255 --> 00:46:36.825
Exactly.

00:46:37.035 --> 00:46:38.325
So you gotta keep that in mind.

00:46:38.505 --> 00:46:43.665
Um, the bells, the bells are important,
and the reason they're important

00:46:43.665 --> 00:46:49.515
is because if you've chased horses
for awhile, you start sleeping with

00:46:49.515 --> 00:46:55.215
horses and you hear the bells at
night, you go, ah, I'm so relaxed.

00:46:55.215 --> 00:46:58.755
I can hear the bells as
opposed to waking up and going.

00:46:59.115 --> 00:46:59.855
And I hear nothing.

00:47:00.765 --> 00:47:02.895
There's no bells, what's wrong.

00:47:03.195 --> 00:47:03.555
Right?

00:47:04.035 --> 00:47:08.205
Um, other things go wrong middle of the
night, you know, maybe you've maybe you've

00:47:08.205 --> 00:47:11.325
thrown the horses in some kind of a rough
corral because you don't have a lot of

00:47:11.325 --> 00:47:15.885
good feed and you don't have a good place
to highlight them or you can't haul them.

00:47:16.515 --> 00:47:21.375
And then the horses breakout in the
middle of the night and that's when

00:47:21.375 --> 00:47:27.795
you go Travis, I am never going to
forget that side of you running around.

00:47:28.950 --> 00:47:32.820
In your gig, trying to
catch horses in the dark.

00:47:33.660 --> 00:47:34.830
No, it happens, right?

00:47:35.070 --> 00:47:35.430
It happens.

00:47:35.430 --> 00:47:39.330
I mean, imagine you throw up a fly one
night and you think, yeah, it's nice.

00:47:39.330 --> 00:47:40.590
We don't need a really good flight.

00:47:40.620 --> 00:47:43.530
And then around two in the morning,
thunder storm comes through and it's

00:47:43.530 --> 00:47:46.320
getting you wet and you go, oh my
God, we shouldn't have cut corners.

00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:47.700
Now we got to fix it.

00:47:48.210 --> 00:47:50.160
Those kinds of things, those
kinds of things happen.

00:47:51.060 --> 00:47:54.150
So, you know, that's,
that's horse wrangling.

00:47:54.150 --> 00:47:54.660
It happens.

00:47:54.660 --> 00:47:55.770
You have to, what about

00:47:55.770 --> 00:47:56.670
predatory animals?

00:47:56.700 --> 00:47:57.390
Like cougars?

00:47:57.420 --> 00:47:59.940
Is that much of a concern bears?

00:47:59.950 --> 00:48:02.550
I understand statistically.

00:48:03.240 --> 00:48:06.870
Nobody has ever been attacked by a bear.

00:48:07.260 --> 00:48:11.400
Well, on horseback, apparently there's
a statistic out there that says, if

00:48:11.400 --> 00:48:15.000
you're on horseback, you are safe.

00:48:15.090 --> 00:48:15.720
Statistically

00:48:15.720 --> 00:48:16.140
speaking.

00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:17.160
Okay.

00:48:17.160 --> 00:48:20.040
You're first off in some respects,
you're asking the wrong guy.

00:48:21.870 --> 00:48:23.100
I don't worry about very much.

00:48:23.190 --> 00:48:23.490
Yeah.

00:48:23.610 --> 00:48:24.180
I don't care.

00:48:24.690 --> 00:48:26.670
Um, people say, what
do you do about bears?

00:48:26.700 --> 00:48:30.270
I go, well, I mean, sometimes
I throw them in the freezer.

00:48:30.660 --> 00:48:31.920
Sometimes I look at them.

00:48:32.610 --> 00:48:34.800
Um, am I worried about them attacking me?

00:48:34.830 --> 00:48:35.790
Not really.

00:48:36.240 --> 00:48:39.690
I mean, you know, if a bear
jumps me, he's going to jump me.

00:48:40.050 --> 00:48:40.290
Yeah.

00:48:41.190 --> 00:48:42.390
I've got a 3 0 8.

00:48:43.620 --> 00:48:46.560
You know, people go, well, what's
better bear spray or a rifle.

00:48:46.560 --> 00:48:48.510
I go, I'm not fooling anybody.

00:48:48.510 --> 00:48:51.990
I mean, if a bear is running at
me, you think I'm going to John

00:48:51.990 --> 00:48:54.090
Wayne him and shoot him from
the hip and knock them down.

00:48:54.090 --> 00:48:54.900
Probably not.

00:48:54.900 --> 00:48:58.230
I say you have to have a firearm
because if the bear jumps on your buddy,

00:48:58.800 --> 00:49:00.540
you can then do something about it.

00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:03.180
But I just generally don't
worry about them that much.

00:49:03.570 --> 00:49:06.840
Um, I know too.

00:49:07.710 --> 00:49:08.190
Absolutely.

00:49:09.180 --> 00:49:12.150
Stories one is a, guy's got a moose.

00:49:12.150 --> 00:49:14.310
This wood would have been
around horse flyer likely.

00:49:14.550 --> 00:49:14.850
Okay.

00:49:15.060 --> 00:49:18.450
They got a moose late in the
day, uh, started processing.

00:49:18.450 --> 00:49:19.260
It had to come back.

00:49:19.260 --> 00:49:24.480
The next day, brought the horses
in overnight grisly had come in and

00:49:24.480 --> 00:49:25.590
decided it was going to claim them.

00:49:26.250 --> 00:49:28.350
So that was a bit of a,
that was a bit of gong show.

00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:33.120
And, uh, that bear wanted to interact
with the people on the horses.

00:49:33.570 --> 00:49:34.080
Oh, really?

00:49:34.110 --> 00:49:34.350
Yup.

00:49:34.710 --> 00:49:35.040
Okay.

00:49:35.160 --> 00:49:38.880
Um, another time, I don't know
where it was, if it was like,

00:49:39.030 --> 00:49:41.490
you know, it was Northeast BC.

00:49:42.660 --> 00:49:50.190
Um, so friends were riding in and, uh,
they got charged by a grizzly on horses.

00:49:50.790 --> 00:49:52.500
It ended up great.

00:49:52.950 --> 00:49:56.040
And like a lot of those grizzly stories,
you know, the guys were reflecting

00:49:56.040 --> 00:49:58.020
and said, yeah, you know what I mean?

00:49:58.530 --> 00:49:59.610
I'm on the horse.

00:49:59.760 --> 00:50:01.500
I'm leading some pack horses.

00:50:01.650 --> 00:50:06.150
I've got a bear gun, you know, shotgun
ready to go when it happens, when

00:50:06.150 --> 00:50:11.105
it goes down, None of it is turning
out the way it does in your dreams.

00:50:11.555 --> 00:50:13.055
It doesn't go like that.

00:50:13.055 --> 00:50:13.325
Right.

00:50:13.535 --> 00:50:15.785
It's like that Steve Rinella
story where he says, I always

00:50:15.785 --> 00:50:17.254
wanted to get clawed by a grizzly.

00:50:17.254 --> 00:50:20.345
So I'd have the claw across
the scar, across my chest.

00:50:20.884 --> 00:50:24.964
But yeah, but then when he has the
actual run in with a grizzly, he

00:50:24.964 --> 00:50:31.234
goes, yeah, I no longer, I no longer
have that dream because reality is

00:50:31.234 --> 00:50:34.084
not the way you imagine it will be.

00:50:34.384 --> 00:50:35.225
And it never is.

00:50:35.345 --> 00:50:35.615
No.

00:50:36.125 --> 00:50:43.355
Now, when it comes to cougars, there is a
story that horses buck as an evolutionary

00:50:43.355 --> 00:50:46.234
response to predation by cats.

00:50:46.895 --> 00:50:50.584
So the cat jumps on the horses
back and the horse box it off.

00:50:51.875 --> 00:50:55.955
I don't know if that's true, but
I know that my rancher friend has

00:50:55.955 --> 00:51:02.075
a horse that has some unbelievably
impressive scars across his rear

00:51:02.075 --> 00:51:05.615
end because when he was a full.

00:51:07.125 --> 00:51:12.225
Crew to moved in and, and he had, he
had several falls and the Cooter moved

00:51:12.225 --> 00:51:13.845
in and knocked off a bunch of them.

00:51:14.565 --> 00:51:15.884
And this one survived.

00:51:16.305 --> 00:51:18.285
The mayor didn't survive.

00:51:18.285 --> 00:51:23.085
She was so traumatized, um, that
she couldn't, she couldn't recover.

00:51:23.085 --> 00:51:24.315
Her breathing was all screwed up.

00:51:24.315 --> 00:51:27.525
Something happened or the cat never
touched her, but they ended up having

00:51:27.525 --> 00:51:29.235
to put that, put that merit out.

00:51:29.835 --> 00:51:34.725
But the falls, uh, I mean, come out with
me this summer, you'll probably see it.

00:51:34.905 --> 00:51:38.955
And it's got some great looking scars
across its rear end because Kruger's

00:51:38.955 --> 00:51:41.235
will, cougars will knock off for sure.

00:51:41.235 --> 00:51:42.345
They'll knock off foals.

00:51:43.155 --> 00:51:46.395
I think if it was bad-ass enough
Cougar and a knockoff, a knockoff,

00:51:46.425 --> 00:51:48.795
a, uh, a, uh, a full grown horse.

00:51:49.634 --> 00:51:52.065
Do you have to worry about
them when you've got them,

00:51:52.634 --> 00:51:53.805
you know, tied up somewhere.

00:51:54.375 --> 00:51:55.515
I think you do the same way.

00:51:55.515 --> 00:51:56.565
You always have to worry about it.

00:51:56.565 --> 00:51:58.785
You know, when you're camping, do
you have to worry about a Barrack.

00:52:00.075 --> 00:52:01.185
It ain't going to change anything.

00:52:01.215 --> 00:52:04.995
It's not going to change anything, but
I mean, you know, you say, well, you

00:52:04.995 --> 00:52:06.585
know, we'll try and keep a clean camp.

00:52:07.154 --> 00:52:08.805
We'll try and have some bear spray around.

00:52:09.285 --> 00:52:11.835
We'll try and know where I put the rifle.

00:52:12.435 --> 00:52:14.174
You know, we'll be prepared for it.

00:52:14.174 --> 00:52:14.415
Right.

00:52:14.415 --> 00:52:15.345
We'll know what to do.

00:52:15.795 --> 00:52:16.785
Similar with horses.

00:52:16.785 --> 00:52:17.955
You can just got to keep an eye on them.

00:52:18.134 --> 00:52:21.255
Now, if you turn them loose
out in a field, you're not

00:52:21.705 --> 00:52:22.965
really keeping an eye on them.

00:52:23.595 --> 00:52:26.475
When I say that you can haul
them up, put some bells on them

00:52:26.475 --> 00:52:29.295
and turn them loose in a bowl.

00:52:30.194 --> 00:52:32.444
Again, picture yourself
up in the mountains.

00:52:32.865 --> 00:52:35.535
You're going to let them go in a
bowl that you're not going to be

00:52:35.535 --> 00:52:38.745
hunting caribou, and you're going
to be hunting somewhere else.

00:52:38.865 --> 00:52:41.174
Meaning you're going to be far
away from where those horses are.

00:52:41.685 --> 00:52:45.525
So it's kind of like when you get back
to camp, you'll say somebody better go

00:52:45.525 --> 00:52:47.085
up and make sure the horses are okay.

00:52:47.985 --> 00:52:48.825
You've been away all day.

00:52:49.395 --> 00:52:51.315
Maybe a grizzly came in and
killed four or five of them.

00:52:51.404 --> 00:52:51.855
I don't know.

00:52:51.944 --> 00:52:53.475
I haven't heard of that happening.

00:52:54.359 --> 00:52:55.680
I don't worry about it too much.

00:52:56.129 --> 00:52:56.640
Yeah.

00:52:56.819 --> 00:52:57.120
Yeah.

00:52:57.149 --> 00:53:00.509
I just didn't know if like a
hobbled horses just looks like kind

00:53:00.509 --> 00:53:02.819
of meals on wheels to, to a cat.

00:53:03.270 --> 00:53:06.670
Uh, I don't know the interaction
between bears, but I'm learning more

00:53:06.710 --> 00:53:07.109
now.

00:53:08.580 --> 00:53:11.940
Yeah, it could, it, you know,
it could be, I will say this.

00:53:11.940 --> 00:53:13.799
I went to the Nemiah valley.

00:53:14.670 --> 00:53:18.029
Uh that's by Choco lake in the
Chilcotin and if nobody's been there,

00:53:18.390 --> 00:53:22.740
you should go, uh, it might be tough
right now with COVID that's that's

00:53:22.740 --> 00:53:24.540
in Soko, teen nation declared title.

00:53:24.540 --> 00:53:26.310
And so they might have a shutdown, right.

00:53:26.330 --> 00:53:29.100
But if, if, if things change,
you get a chance to go there.

00:53:29.100 --> 00:53:32.700
You should go so-called team
have a long history with horses.

00:53:32.910 --> 00:53:37.890
And when I went into that campsite right
off the bat, somebody comes up to us.

00:53:38.069 --> 00:53:40.830
Hey, have you seen the grizzly
come down, Grizzlies trying to

00:53:40.830 --> 00:53:43.200
get some of the falls in that.

00:53:44.774 --> 00:53:46.004
Really what happens?

00:53:46.214 --> 00:53:49.754
You should see the mayors
run that grizzly off.

00:53:49.995 --> 00:53:50.535
Really?

00:53:50.564 --> 00:53:50.865
Yeah.

00:53:51.165 --> 00:53:54.314
Now, you know, we have a lot of wild
horses in BC, feral horses, wild

00:53:54.314 --> 00:53:55.515
horses, whatever you want to call them.

00:53:55.875 --> 00:53:58.154
They live out there and they survive.

00:53:59.024 --> 00:54:02.415
So, you know, do moose and deer
have to worry about predators.

00:54:02.714 --> 00:54:03.915
Yes, they do.

00:54:04.845 --> 00:54:06.225
Do they know how to deal with them?

00:54:07.245 --> 00:54:08.535
They they've got some tricks.

00:54:09.254 --> 00:54:13.334
I mean, I remember hunting to caribou one
time and we never got him and we chased

00:54:13.334 --> 00:54:16.214
him all day long and he schooled us.

00:54:17.564 --> 00:54:20.564
And the lesson that I took away
from that is he looked at us

00:54:20.564 --> 00:54:21.705
and said, you guys are prepping.

00:54:22.950 --> 00:54:24.420
I'm prey, right?

00:54:24.450 --> 00:54:25.529
Not my first rodeo.

00:54:25.680 --> 00:54:26.279
Right.

00:54:27.150 --> 00:54:31.290
I didn't get big and
attractive this way by losing.

00:54:31.950 --> 00:54:32.339
Right.

00:54:32.460 --> 00:54:35.700
So, so, and I think horses probably
have that built into them too.

00:54:35.700 --> 00:54:36.839
They can, they can do some stuff.

00:54:36.839 --> 00:54:39.480
And as I said, you gotta be careful
with horses among each other.

00:54:39.870 --> 00:54:42.720
They can hurt each other
quite a bit that never crossed

00:54:42.720 --> 00:54:48.029
my mind before that it seems like
you get a pack of dogs together.

00:54:48.029 --> 00:54:48.210
Sure.

00:54:48.210 --> 00:54:50.640
They might fight that might play
fight, but for the most part, they

00:54:50.640 --> 00:54:52.740
figure it out and they get along.

00:54:53.325 --> 00:54:56.475
Pack of horses and wonder why that is.

00:54:56.505 --> 00:54:58.424
You don't have the sense or
they got so much sense of

00:54:58.424 --> 00:54:59.444
the, it depends.

00:54:59.444 --> 00:55:00.585
Horses are individual too.

00:55:00.585 --> 00:55:02.025
So I gotta be, I gotta be clear.

00:55:02.055 --> 00:55:03.134
They don't all do that.

00:55:03.134 --> 00:55:06.795
You don't always have nasty
horses, but sometimes you do, and

00:55:06.795 --> 00:55:07.815
it can be any number of things.

00:55:07.815 --> 00:55:10.904
I ran into a horse one time that
it had a bit of a stroke, so it

00:55:10.904 --> 00:55:12.495
didn't have good sight on one eye.

00:55:12.495 --> 00:55:16.305
And its tongue was a little bit
paralyzed and its, its hearing.

00:55:16.305 --> 00:55:19.215
Wasn't that good you
approach from that bad side?

00:55:19.515 --> 00:55:20.115
Oh, you're in trouble.

00:55:20.265 --> 00:55:25.485
There was a lot of fear in that horse and
fear can turn into some bad reactions.

00:55:25.634 --> 00:55:25.995
Right.

00:55:26.235 --> 00:55:29.265
And I've described my gelding
already when he gets scared.

00:55:29.355 --> 00:55:31.545
I can say to him, Hey, calm down.

00:55:32.355 --> 00:55:35.325
And he's got the trust and
confidence that he will do that.

00:55:35.565 --> 00:55:36.105
Right.

00:55:36.585 --> 00:55:41.535
I've taken him through some terrain
that is, is, uh, difficult and scary.

00:55:41.685 --> 00:55:41.805
Yeah.

00:55:42.900 --> 00:55:45.210
You give them a little time
to calm down and he'll do it.

00:55:45.480 --> 00:55:47.220
Will you walk them through that?

00:55:47.280 --> 00:55:47.910
Oh, a lot of times.

00:55:47.910 --> 00:55:48.180
Sure.

00:55:48.240 --> 00:55:48.350
Yeah.

00:55:48.350 --> 00:55:51.180
A lot of times, a lot of times, one thing
you got to remember with horses, a lot

00:55:51.180 --> 00:55:54.000
of times you're getting off the horse and
you'll do that also, because if you're

00:55:54.000 --> 00:55:56.190
on the horse for a long time, it's good.

00:55:56.190 --> 00:55:58.560
Sometimes to get off and walk
and get some blood going through

00:55:58.560 --> 00:55:59.940
your legs, I should imagine.

00:55:59.970 --> 00:56:00.210
Yeah.

00:56:00.690 --> 00:56:04.320
But horses get scared of things and
sometimes it's, it's not something

00:56:04.320 --> 00:56:05.940
they should get scared of, but they do.

00:56:06.540 --> 00:56:10.770
And if you try and stay on them,
it might end up not being good.

00:56:10.950 --> 00:56:11.370
Right.

00:56:12.120 --> 00:56:17.400
I remember one time, my guy flash
is a little bit funny about water.

00:56:18.450 --> 00:56:21.590
I say a little bit, like when you're
leaving, he doesn't want to cross

00:56:21.600 --> 00:56:23.670
the water when you're coming back.

00:56:23.700 --> 00:56:24.120
No problem.

00:56:24.120 --> 00:56:24.840
No problem.

00:56:24.900 --> 00:56:25.259
Right?

00:56:25.350 --> 00:56:26.100
Day's over.

00:56:26.280 --> 00:56:30.330
You're going to go eat, but, uh, we're
looking a little Creek one time and I want

00:56:30.330 --> 00:56:31.890
to get them across and he didn't want to.

00:56:31.890 --> 00:56:35.400
And he kept getting closer and closer to
a tree and I kept fighting him through

00:56:35.400 --> 00:56:37.080
that and trying to get him across.

00:56:37.590 --> 00:56:41.160
And it ended up that he
ended up jumping across.

00:56:42.254 --> 00:56:45.794
We were close to the tree,
not quite enough for him.

00:56:46.424 --> 00:56:53.205
So when you have me between a horse and
a tree, you know, who ends up of course,

00:56:53.205 --> 00:56:55.245
saying to everybody, oh, I'm good.

00:56:55.395 --> 00:56:58.634
No problem just covered in mud down here.

00:57:00.044 --> 00:57:00.315
Yeah.

00:57:00.555 --> 00:57:03.705
So, you know, that's a time when you
might want to say, you know what, why

00:57:03.705 --> 00:57:05.805
don't we just lead this guy across?

00:57:06.315 --> 00:57:08.535
And that, you know, people
might be picturing what you're

00:57:08.535 --> 00:57:09.734
going to Wade through a Creek.

00:57:09.794 --> 00:57:10.515
It's not always out.

00:57:10.515 --> 00:57:12.134
Sometimes you're up in the
mountain and there's a Creek.

00:57:12.134 --> 00:57:14.444
That's only, you know,
two or three feet across.

00:57:15.015 --> 00:57:18.734
Um, you can jump across it, but the
horse doesn't want to go across it.

00:57:18.734 --> 00:57:21.015
And the entry to it is
a little bit snotty.

00:57:21.404 --> 00:57:22.095
Sometimes it's better.

00:57:22.115 --> 00:57:25.035
Just get off, grab the lead,
say, come on, you can come

00:57:25.035 --> 00:57:26.535
with me and he can pull it off.

00:57:26.924 --> 00:57:27.884
So if you have a group of

00:57:27.884 --> 00:57:31.484
horses, are you tying them like tail
the tail, the nose sort of thing.

00:57:31.535 --> 00:57:34.964
Are you just kind of trusting
that the other ones will follow?

00:57:35.115 --> 00:57:35.535
If it was

00:57:35.535 --> 00:57:36.214
like one person?

00:57:36.464 --> 00:57:38.055
It's a good, it's a good question.

00:57:38.055 --> 00:57:38.565
Sometimes.

00:57:38.565 --> 00:57:38.805
Yes.

00:57:38.805 --> 00:57:39.225
Sometimes.

00:57:39.225 --> 00:57:39.345
No.

00:57:40.530 --> 00:57:42.210
Generally, you're going
to be on a saddle horse.

00:57:42.360 --> 00:57:42.600
Okay.

00:57:42.870 --> 00:57:45.810
And you're going to have
a lead to a pack horse.

00:57:45.870 --> 00:57:46.110
Yeah.

00:57:46.530 --> 00:57:51.120
And then if you have other pack horses,
you'll tie the pack horses together.

00:57:51.120 --> 00:57:54.750
Now some people will tie the lead
on the second pack horse to the

00:57:54.750 --> 00:57:56.130
tail of the first pack horse.

00:57:56.610 --> 00:58:01.590
Some people will have what's called
breakaway tying twine, which is basically

00:58:01.590 --> 00:58:04.170
it's it's it's, uh, baling twine.

00:58:04.230 --> 00:58:05.700
It's when we get her off a hay bale.

00:58:05.790 --> 00:58:07.050
So it's more of a psychological

00:58:07.050 --> 00:58:07.290
leap

00:58:07.290 --> 00:58:08.460
than it we'll know what happens.

00:58:08.460 --> 00:58:09.570
It's not a psychological leave.

00:58:09.570 --> 00:58:12.900
What happens is you'll tie that
to the saddle, the pack saddle,

00:58:13.770 --> 00:58:16.950
or to the harness, wherever
you tie it, wherever you want.

00:58:17.160 --> 00:58:20.190
And then you tie the lead on
the second pack horse to that.

00:58:20.580 --> 00:58:24.450
So if something happens, they get
spooked or maybe one of them goes

00:58:24.450 --> 00:58:27.540
on the wrong side of a tree, or
they get caught between two trees.

00:58:28.380 --> 00:58:29.760
When there's a bit of.

00:58:30.660 --> 00:58:33.090
That baling twine breaks.

00:58:33.720 --> 00:58:35.880
Don't pull off the packs.

00:58:35.880 --> 00:58:39.150
You don't have two horses trying
to run in different directions.

00:58:39.690 --> 00:58:40.950
So that works.

00:58:41.520 --> 00:58:45.540
You can also just say
these horses are okay.

00:58:45.540 --> 00:58:49.530
We're going to lead a couple and
we'll let the other ones follow

00:58:49.590 --> 00:58:51.390
on their own and figure it out.

00:58:52.320 --> 00:58:56.310
If you've got good horses that
understand that they'll do it.

00:58:57.480 --> 00:59:02.580
Um, I borrowed a horse one time,
JJ, his name was great horse,

00:59:02.580 --> 00:59:07.380
really nice, really nice attitude
dumber than a sack of hammers.

00:59:08.220 --> 00:59:11.730
We had him following behind us
and we're going through bro.

00:59:11.760 --> 00:59:12.240
Blow down.

00:59:12.240 --> 00:59:15.210
It's it's BC there's beetle kill
there's blowdown all over the place

00:59:15.210 --> 00:59:19.350
stuff that you can walk up to and
throw a leg over a horse has a hard

00:59:19.350 --> 00:59:21.270
time, sometimes getting four legs over.

00:59:21.300 --> 00:59:21.660
Right?

00:59:21.840 --> 00:59:23.550
So you're picking your way through it.

00:59:23.550 --> 00:59:24.600
You don't want to break out the chain.

00:59:25.875 --> 00:59:28.635
And you don't want to always be
dealing with this pack horse.

00:59:28.635 --> 00:59:29.655
So we let them walk free.

00:59:30.135 --> 00:59:31.095
Had to keep an eye on him.

00:59:31.335 --> 00:59:32.415
Cause he'd start grazing.

00:59:32.505 --> 00:59:32.775
Yeah.

00:59:32.985 --> 00:59:36.105
We'd be a hundred yards down
the line and he'd be lost.

00:59:36.105 --> 00:59:37.485
He'd be going, wait where'd you go?

00:59:37.575 --> 00:59:38.655
How do we figure it out?

00:59:39.045 --> 00:59:42.375
So he wasn't appropriate to lead
or he wasn't appropriate to follow.

00:59:42.435 --> 00:59:42.795
Right.

00:59:42.825 --> 00:59:43.785
But some of them are great.

00:59:43.875 --> 00:59:44.805
Some of them will do it.

00:59:45.705 --> 00:59:48.135
You run into other problems
with, with pack horses,

00:59:48.135 --> 00:59:49.425
they've got pack boxes on them.

00:59:49.455 --> 00:59:51.045
You go between two Jack Pines.

00:59:51.315 --> 00:59:52.275
You ride between them.

00:59:53.235 --> 00:59:54.705
The horse behind get stuck.

00:59:54.795 --> 00:59:55.335
Right.

00:59:55.375 --> 00:59:56.235
Can become a nightmare.

00:59:56.235 --> 00:59:58.995
Now I was, I, I, I was, I was lucky.

00:59:58.995 --> 01:00:01.545
I've just been, uh, uh,
I've acquired good horses.

01:00:01.545 --> 01:00:07.935
I mean, the mayor that I had up until
last fall that would happen with her, the

01:00:07.935 --> 01:00:09.375
lead would get yanked out of your hand.

01:00:09.375 --> 01:00:12.015
You'd look over her shoulder and
she'd have a look in her eyes like.

01:00:13.605 --> 01:00:14.805
You've got to pay attention.

01:00:15.195 --> 01:00:16.635
I've got packs on my back.

01:00:16.665 --> 01:00:18.585
I can't get through this stuff.

01:00:19.005 --> 01:00:19.335
Right.

01:00:19.635 --> 01:00:24.975
But again, if you like animals and you
have relationships with animals, you,

01:00:25.095 --> 01:00:29.385
you start to pick up on that stuff
and, and you, and you figure it out.

01:00:29.745 --> 01:00:30.495
So, you

01:00:30.495 --> 01:00:34.575
know, I guess one big benefit,
uh, hunting with horses would be

01:00:34.575 --> 01:00:36.225
the length of time he can be out.

01:00:36.255 --> 01:00:39.495
You don't have to have extra fuel with
you to keep these things fueled up.

01:00:39.525 --> 01:00:43.425
Um, w what are the other benefits

01:00:44.055 --> 01:00:45.525
it's quieter, right.

01:00:45.525 --> 01:00:45.945
Okay.

01:00:46.245 --> 01:00:51.585
Also, if you ever try and take an ATV
down a horse trail, you'll find they

01:00:51.585 --> 01:00:57.675
often go along steep Hills and a horse
needs a boat, you know, 10 inches in

01:00:57.675 --> 01:00:59.685
order to walk down a trail, right.

01:00:59.695 --> 01:01:02.445
Quad needs, you know, two
and a half, three feet.

01:01:02.475 --> 01:01:02.985
Right.

01:01:03.015 --> 01:01:05.985
And if you're on a 45 degree angle, yes.

01:01:05.985 --> 01:01:07.125
Sidling, that's not fun.

01:01:07.215 --> 01:01:08.025
It's not too fun.

01:01:08.175 --> 01:01:08.415
Right?

01:01:09.420 --> 01:01:11.549
Um, so that's, that's good.

01:01:12.180 --> 01:01:17.520
It will get you into some areas, you
know, close to motorized vehicles.

01:01:17.640 --> 01:01:18.060
Sure.

01:01:18.150 --> 01:01:19.259
Horses can go up there.

01:01:19.770 --> 01:01:20.130
Right.

01:01:20.490 --> 01:01:23.490
You can go all over the south Choco
out and go through big Creek park,

01:01:23.490 --> 01:01:25.830
all kinds of things, um, with horses.

01:01:27.060 --> 01:01:30.330
Um, yeah, so you don't have to take fuel.

01:01:30.360 --> 01:01:32.630
You can get into areas that
are close to motor vehicles.

01:01:32.650 --> 01:01:34.680
You can maybe get back further.

01:01:34.680 --> 01:01:39.960
You can go over terrain that,
that, uh, uh, quad can't get into.

01:01:40.740 --> 01:01:45.120
Um, but also there is the
aspect of what do you like more?

01:01:45.120 --> 01:01:47.640
Do you like hunting more
or do you like horses more?

01:01:48.660 --> 01:01:49.350
For me?

01:01:49.380 --> 01:01:50.130
It's a pick them.

01:01:52.140 --> 01:01:56.670
I'm a little, uh, I've I've got more
time for doing things now, so I can

01:01:56.670 --> 01:01:59.009
say, well, I'll go in there and yeah,
it takes some time and you've got to

01:01:59.009 --> 01:02:00.210
organize things, but once you get.

01:02:00.975 --> 01:02:01.455
It's okay.

01:02:01.455 --> 01:02:02.595
It's like flying to Thailand.

01:02:02.625 --> 01:02:05.715
If you're only going there for
a week, it's very expensive.

01:02:06.315 --> 01:02:08.355
If you go in there for
a month, it's easier.

01:02:08.355 --> 01:02:11.355
Cause once you're there and
you're set up the amount of time

01:02:11.355 --> 01:02:13.155
that you're there, it's there.

01:02:13.545 --> 01:02:13.845
Yeah.

01:02:14.685 --> 01:02:15.045
So yeah.

01:02:15.045 --> 01:02:16.935
So that's, that's, that's good.

01:02:16.935 --> 01:02:18.345
Fun with horses doing that.

01:02:18.555 --> 01:02:20.295
You do run into jackpots.

01:02:20.325 --> 01:02:21.884
Things can go south.

01:02:22.035 --> 01:02:23.265
You have to be prepared.

01:02:23.265 --> 01:02:27.855
I guess if you're using somebody else's
horses, who am I getting them from?

01:02:27.945 --> 01:02:29.235
Am I going to take good care of them?

01:02:29.235 --> 01:02:30.645
Will they come back in good shape?

01:02:30.675 --> 01:02:36.045
If something goes wrong and I have to
kill this horse, how am I going to explain

01:02:36.045 --> 01:02:38.535
that to the guy I got the horse from?

01:02:38.535 --> 01:02:40.305
Is he going to be okay with it?

01:02:40.965 --> 01:02:41.295
You know?

01:02:41.295 --> 01:02:44.475
So, you know, it's good to
have your own horses, then you

01:02:44.475 --> 01:02:45.375
don't have to worry about it.

01:02:45.375 --> 01:02:45.585
Right.

01:02:46.095 --> 01:02:48.134
So yeah.

01:02:48.225 --> 01:02:49.185
What else can I tell you about them?

01:02:49.305 --> 01:02:51.465
It's there's all kinds
of, there's all kinds of.

01:02:52.500 --> 01:02:52.920
Tricks.

01:02:52.920 --> 01:02:55.380
You have to learn with tack.

01:02:55.380 --> 01:02:57.450
You have to learn how to saddle a horse.

01:02:58.080 --> 01:03:01.650
Oh, I guess we should go back to this,
the whole thing far from his heart.

01:03:02.010 --> 01:03:02.340
Right?

01:03:02.670 --> 01:03:06.480
Um, you put a saddle on a horse horse.

01:03:06.630 --> 01:03:09.000
The saddle is supposed to fit the horse.

01:03:09.420 --> 01:03:10.950
It's supposed to be kind of comfortable.

01:03:11.430 --> 01:03:12.900
It's supposed to not do damage to them.

01:03:13.740 --> 01:03:18.270
When I started out lunchtime comes or
we take a break, I'd rip off the saddle

01:03:18.900 --> 01:03:20.280
and take a look at the horses back.

01:03:21.630 --> 01:03:22.560
Does it look okay?

01:03:23.250 --> 01:03:24.450
What am I looking for?

01:03:24.960 --> 01:03:26.280
I don't have a clue.

01:03:26.760 --> 01:03:29.370
I'm just trying to make sure
that nothing is going wrong.

01:03:29.940 --> 01:03:36.450
Well, at one point in time, horse came
in and a lot of gear on the saddle,

01:03:36.520 --> 01:03:40.530
everything that it needs, and a guy
said, can you take this saddle off?

01:03:40.530 --> 01:03:41.220
I'm a little tired.

01:03:41.490 --> 01:03:42.330
Took off the saddle.

01:03:43.635 --> 01:03:44.505
Damn near killed me.

01:03:44.505 --> 01:03:45.225
It was so heavy.

01:03:46.035 --> 01:03:49.215
And I see that this saddle has
been rubbing the horse through

01:03:49.215 --> 01:03:50.535
the blanket and through the pad.

01:03:51.105 --> 01:03:55.965
And he's got a saddle sore that
is probably the size of two.

01:03:55.965 --> 01:03:57.525
Your thumb put together.

01:03:57.585 --> 01:04:02.565
Yeah, no hair, no skin, just
pissy, oozy, gooey stuff.

01:04:02.685 --> 01:04:06.675
And you go, that's what I'm looking for.

01:04:07.065 --> 01:04:10.665
That's what I don't want to find all
the times I've taken off the saddle

01:04:10.665 --> 01:04:15.255
and thinking, God, am I being an idiot
looking at this horse now I know I'm

01:04:15.255 --> 01:04:18.105
not because that's what a day takes.

01:04:18.555 --> 01:04:21.585
And the horse is what's
called a dumb animal.

01:04:22.215 --> 01:04:23.235
It doesn't mean it's stupid.

01:04:23.835 --> 01:04:24.945
It means you can't talk.

01:04:25.725 --> 01:04:29.565
You gotta be looking for behavior
because behavior is communication.

01:04:30.345 --> 01:04:31.875
Somebody missed it with this horse.

01:04:32.625 --> 01:04:35.175
And after that, you know, we're not
putting us out a lot of Memorial.

01:04:35.895 --> 01:04:36.405
No kidding.

01:04:36.435 --> 01:04:37.215
We're not using them.

01:04:37.845 --> 01:04:38.775
He's out of action.

01:04:39.855 --> 01:04:41.055
Big strong beast.

01:04:41.475 --> 01:04:42.254
He's smart.

01:04:42.285 --> 01:04:46.455
He's willing, he put up with all of
that, but we're not using them tomorrow.

01:04:46.575 --> 01:04:46.995
Right?

01:04:47.265 --> 01:04:51.585
So the next day, obviously lunch
game, I didn't feel bad about

01:04:51.585 --> 01:04:54.464
pulling the saddle off my horses
and just checking them out to them.

01:04:54.615 --> 01:04:55.185
They're fine.

01:04:55.605 --> 01:04:57.855
You know, it's like checking
hoofs and things like that.

01:04:57.855 --> 01:04:58.035
Right.

01:04:58.154 --> 01:04:59.265
Are they, are they okay.

01:05:00.194 --> 01:05:04.424
The other thing about behavior being
communication, I learned something

01:05:04.424 --> 01:05:07.754
about, you know, you hear about
horses going lame, what will happen?

01:05:07.904 --> 01:05:08.685
What will we do?

01:05:09.705 --> 01:05:11.145
And what I found out was.

01:05:13.650 --> 01:05:14.610
They'll do something.

01:05:14.640 --> 01:05:16.350
They won't behave the
way they normally do.

01:05:17.190 --> 01:05:21.270
And it takes you a while to figure
out that behavior is communication.

01:05:21.900 --> 01:05:24.960
And in this particular case,
I had a friend on my mirror.

01:05:25.230 --> 01:05:28.950
I said, come on, just put
the heels to her, um, get her

01:05:28.950 --> 01:05:30.540
going, break her into a truck.

01:05:30.570 --> 01:05:32.610
Cause I was trying to teach
them how to ride, ride horses.

01:05:32.610 --> 01:05:34.440
And I said, you know, walking is fine.

01:05:34.860 --> 01:05:35.340
Trots.

01:05:35.340 --> 01:05:38.940
The hardest one it's it's so Jocelyn
and there are people who will

01:05:38.940 --> 01:05:40.410
teach you how to do it properly.

01:05:42.060 --> 01:05:45.000
Me I'll look at you and I'll say,
you're going to figure it out,

01:05:45.000 --> 01:05:48.090
but I'll tell you what if it feels
like somebody's jackhammer in

01:05:48.090 --> 01:05:49.980
your junk, you're doing it wrong.

01:05:50.400 --> 01:05:51.300
Don't do that.

01:05:51.690 --> 01:05:54.660
Do something else until it
feels like you can make it work.

01:05:54.840 --> 01:05:55.800
You gotta use your legs.

01:05:55.800 --> 01:05:56.580
You gotta use Tommy.

01:05:56.580 --> 01:05:57.690
You gotta feel the rhythm hours.

01:05:58.140 --> 01:06:02.880
Anyway, this guy couldn't get the,
couldn't get the mirror out of a walk.

01:06:03.090 --> 01:06:03.510
Right.

01:06:03.750 --> 01:06:06.180
And it took me a while to figure it out.

01:06:07.020 --> 01:06:10.050
And then I went and looked and
go first off, she's thrown shit.

01:06:10.920 --> 01:06:12.690
Second off she's got sore feet.

01:06:13.770 --> 01:06:18.600
That's why she doesn't want
to do what she normally does.

01:06:19.140 --> 01:06:20.160
Got her back to town.

01:06:20.160 --> 01:06:21.060
Had somebody look at her.

01:06:21.060 --> 01:06:24.030
She goes, nah, this horse
has got big Huff problems.

01:06:24.030 --> 01:06:26.340
She's been in too much wet
ground or Hosur screwed up.

01:06:26.370 --> 01:06:30.720
We're going to have to do a, uh,
program of getting them back in shape.

01:06:30.960 --> 01:06:32.850
That takes about six.

01:06:32.880 --> 01:06:34.860
It took us about six
months to get it done.

01:06:35.040 --> 01:06:35.430
Okay.

01:06:35.670 --> 01:06:36.570
So that's something to think about.

01:06:36.570 --> 01:06:42.180
It's kind of like you going out with
your gear and your gear breaks and you

01:06:42.180 --> 01:06:44.460
say, we can't just fix it right now.

01:06:44.730 --> 01:06:48.210
This is going to take a while to fix
and you're in the middle of a hunting

01:06:48.210 --> 01:06:50.070
trip and you go, what do we do?

01:06:50.640 --> 01:06:51.960
So you have to be prepared for that.

01:06:52.410 --> 01:06:54.510
So for a lot of people,
they're going to go, Nope.

01:06:55.110 --> 01:06:55.980
Don't want horses.

01:06:56.070 --> 01:06:56.340
Yeah.

01:06:56.490 --> 01:06:59.760
That's uh, that's, it's going to
cramp my style too much and it's

01:06:59.760 --> 01:07:02.130
certainly can, it certainly can.

01:07:02.130 --> 01:07:03.600
So you gotta be, you gotta be aware of it.

01:07:04.470 --> 01:07:05.100
Good way to say.

01:07:07.365 --> 01:07:08.325
Going on trail rides.

01:07:08.325 --> 01:07:10.995
See if you like horses, some
people are afraid of horses, right.

01:07:11.055 --> 01:07:14.024
You know, um, I've tried to get
my wife to come out with me a lot.

01:07:15.015 --> 01:07:16.845
She's worried about
being on top of a horse.

01:07:17.174 --> 01:07:17.504
Okay.

01:07:17.564 --> 01:07:19.334
She's worried that she'll get thrown.

01:07:19.455 --> 01:07:19.904
She's worried.

01:07:19.904 --> 01:07:20.955
She gets stepped on.

01:07:20.955 --> 01:07:21.464
She's worried.

01:07:21.464 --> 01:07:22.365
She'll get bit.

01:07:22.814 --> 01:07:25.455
Those are the ones that ended up
getting thrown, stepped on her bed

01:07:25.575 --> 01:07:27.555
because they're worried about it.

01:07:27.555 --> 01:07:29.714
It's in their mind somehow it's a self

01:07:29.924 --> 01:07:34.154
fulfilling prophecy I've found it could,
it could be unit, you know, Nicole

01:07:34.154 --> 01:07:36.944
and you know me, she's a survivor.

01:07:37.334 --> 01:07:40.725
We've been together
well over three decades.

01:07:41.174 --> 01:07:45.075
And, uh, I now finally appreciate
how much she's put up with it.

01:07:45.075 --> 01:07:45.524
She's good.

01:07:46.064 --> 01:07:48.524
We've worked out a good, we've worked
out a good system and this will tell

01:07:48.524 --> 01:07:50.444
you how, how, how good my horses.

01:07:50.924 --> 01:07:54.075
She will walk and I will ride.

01:07:55.064 --> 01:08:00.584
And my horse flash, we'll just tuck
his head in right over her shoulder.

01:08:00.765 --> 01:08:01.274
Cause he goes.

01:08:02.295 --> 01:08:03.735
And he just walks beside her.

01:08:04.225 --> 01:08:05.445
Doesn't knock her over.

01:08:06.075 --> 01:08:09.285
And, uh, you know, in the summertime
when we're out, just fooling around,

01:08:09.585 --> 01:08:10.755
that's a great way to spend time.

01:08:10.755 --> 01:08:14.955
We go and we climb mountains and we go
look around and we see all kinds of stuff.

01:08:15.075 --> 01:08:15.645
Very cool.

01:08:15.884 --> 01:08:22.965
Now, if you're going hunting and you
say, let's really buckle down, you're

01:08:22.965 --> 01:08:26.925
probably not saying, oh yeah, you know,
we'll just walk with me on the horse and

01:08:26.925 --> 01:08:31.455
my wife and front we'll have the dog say,
we may as well bring along some toddlers.

01:08:32.115 --> 01:08:33.765
There are times when you'll
do that with hunting.

01:08:33.765 --> 01:08:37.515
I mean, that's how you introduce kids to
haunting, but it's not a kind of serious

01:08:37.515 --> 01:08:40.575
hunting that you do with your buddies
when you're going into the back country.

01:08:40.575 --> 01:08:44.564
And you're, you know, you're, you're,
you're being really hardcore, right?

01:08:44.564 --> 01:08:46.035
So you have to keep that perspective.

01:08:46.035 --> 01:08:49.455
And you know, if you think that
horses are going to be the solution,

01:08:49.455 --> 01:08:54.375
that's going to get you into the
sweet magic, you know, honey hole,

01:08:54.705 --> 01:08:57.225
or you're going to get epic game.

01:08:58.740 --> 01:08:59.969
That's not how it works.

01:09:00.089 --> 01:09:00.479
Right.

01:09:00.839 --> 01:09:05.309
But if you've got the right perspective
and you've got time, it works out well.

01:09:05.700 --> 01:09:07.349
We were in the itches.

01:09:07.379 --> 01:09:08.250
We flew in there.

01:09:08.639 --> 01:09:09.059
Right.

01:09:09.089 --> 01:09:12.479
So flying to edge lake and we walked
up the mountain and we went out and

01:09:12.479 --> 01:09:15.029
caribou and, uh, got a great bowl.

01:09:15.419 --> 01:09:19.799
And it was, it was, it was a funny day
because, uh, we, we dropped that bowl.

01:09:20.399 --> 01:09:21.620
It was opening day drop.

01:09:23.189 --> 01:09:26.580
And then we saw a helicopter
flying over top of us, circling

01:09:26.580 --> 01:09:27.390
around, circling around.

01:09:27.390 --> 01:09:29.279
We go, I wonder what they're up to.

01:09:30.240 --> 01:09:32.609
Well, I mean, you know what,
they're up to their CEO's right?

01:09:32.700 --> 01:09:36.479
So they saw us, they circled down,
they come down and everybody's

01:09:36.479 --> 01:09:37.950
panicking going, oh my God.

01:09:37.979 --> 01:09:39.479
Oh my God, are we guilty of something?

01:09:39.569 --> 01:09:40.500
We've done something wrong.

01:09:40.500 --> 01:09:41.399
What's going to happen here.

01:09:41.580 --> 01:09:42.240
We're fine.

01:09:42.990 --> 01:09:43.500
We're fine.

01:09:43.500 --> 01:09:44.189
What's going to happen.

01:09:44.580 --> 01:09:48.720
Guys, come out out of the helicopter,
look at your tags and everything.

01:09:48.720 --> 01:09:49.800
And they walk over.

01:09:49.800 --> 01:09:50.819
They go, ah, nice bull.

01:09:50.880 --> 01:09:51.330
Pretty good.

01:09:51.960 --> 01:09:54.540
Um, that part was funny.

01:09:54.660 --> 01:09:58.019
Uh, if, if you haven't run into CEO's
out in the back country recently,

01:09:58.440 --> 01:10:02.160
they've got like a S they've got
like an iPhone on steroids that

01:10:02.160 --> 01:10:03.870
has a bunch of information on it.

01:10:03.870 --> 01:10:08.970
So you'd give them your ID and they can
tell, and they might say, so it says, you

01:10:08.970 --> 01:10:11.430
should have a mule deer tag here as well.

01:10:12.150 --> 01:10:15.030
You better have it, so you can show
it to them, all those kinds of things.

01:10:15.030 --> 01:10:18.120
So, so those guys, those
guys turned up then.

01:10:19.125 --> 01:10:24.165
Two guys rode up on couple horses.

01:10:24.165 --> 01:10:25.485
I think they had a pack horse as well.

01:10:25.635 --> 01:10:25.905
Okay.

01:10:26.955 --> 01:10:29.715
Young guy dressed up camel.

01:10:29.745 --> 01:10:32.145
Grew your gear, all the high stuff.

01:10:32.205 --> 01:10:32.445
Yep.

01:10:32.685 --> 01:10:37.185
And his dad jeans, ski
jacket chain smoking.

01:10:37.725 --> 01:10:38.085
Yep.

01:10:38.985 --> 01:10:40.845
Gary, Gary and Devin.

01:10:40.845 --> 01:10:42.825
I think they were they'd
come up and they'd go.

01:10:43.275 --> 01:10:43.635
Nice.

01:10:43.635 --> 01:10:45.405
Bull dairy says.

01:10:46.545 --> 01:10:49.605
Know, can I bring my horses up,
get them used to, uh, to the smell.

01:10:49.605 --> 01:10:50.505
This one's a new one.

01:10:51.075 --> 01:10:52.905
And, uh, he's not used to it.

01:10:52.935 --> 01:10:53.895
He said, sure, come on up.

01:10:54.285 --> 01:10:58.395
And we did, and we had a great chat with
them and, uh, we actually told them,

01:10:58.395 --> 01:11:03.705
we said, you know, we'd been up here a
few days scouting and you know, we've

01:11:03.705 --> 01:11:07.485
got a bull, but we're going to tell
you down there, there's another herd.

01:11:08.085 --> 01:11:10.095
We're pretty sure there's
a shooter in there.

01:11:10.995 --> 01:11:11.955
So they go, okay, that's great.

01:11:12.315 --> 01:11:16.545
And they leave and they go down and
later that day they're coming back.

01:11:16.995 --> 01:11:17.565
Sure enough.

01:11:17.625 --> 01:11:18.355
They've got the bull in.

01:11:18.355 --> 01:11:22.035
It's funny because as a relieving, my
buddies and I, we look at each other and

01:11:22.035 --> 01:11:24.105
we go, what do you think about old Gary?

01:11:24.105 --> 01:11:27.765
They're old cowboy hats, ski
jacket, jeans, chain smoking.

01:11:27.915 --> 01:11:28.905
You think he's a closer?

01:11:29.565 --> 01:11:30.595
Oh yeah.

01:11:30.845 --> 01:11:31.085
Yeah.

01:11:31.125 --> 01:11:32.505
He is so sure enough.

01:11:32.505 --> 01:11:35.895
They come back with the bowling and they
were all happy and they paid us back

01:11:35.895 --> 01:11:41.055
later, we went down to the, to the cabin
and we'd been, we'd been eating out of.

01:11:42.075 --> 01:11:43.755
You've been eating freeze,
dried food the whole time.

01:11:44.355 --> 01:11:47.865
We said to those guys, Hey, any
chance you might have like some

01:11:47.925 --> 01:11:49.724
onions and maybe some spice, you know?

01:11:49.755 --> 01:11:53.715
Cause we got a new caribou and we want
to eat some, they set us up so good.

01:11:53.715 --> 01:11:55.065
They said, yeah, we're on our way out.

01:11:55.065 --> 01:11:58.755
We'll give you the homemade bread from
mom and we'll give you all this stuff.

01:11:58.755 --> 01:12:02.865
And uh, those are also some Cuban
cigars and a bottle of whiskey.

01:12:03.405 --> 01:12:04.875
And we're thinking like,
why are you doing this?

01:12:04.875 --> 01:12:07.175
And, well, it was because we turned
them onto the ball, which ranges

01:12:07.175 --> 01:12:08.684
just done, because go, why not?

01:12:08.684 --> 01:12:09.345
We're good.

01:12:09.345 --> 01:12:14.355
And yeah, but anyway, the reason I tell
you that story is because Gary raised

01:12:14.355 --> 01:12:19.755
those horses himself and he came in with
his son Devin and he had not been up

01:12:19.755 --> 01:12:25.485
there hunting caribou since he had been
up there years before with his father.

01:12:26.474 --> 01:12:31.575
So from that point of view, um, it
was kind of cool because they had a

01:12:31.575 --> 01:12:35.355
three-day ride in and then they had
time when they were up hunting there

01:12:35.775 --> 01:12:39.345
and then they had a three-day ride
out and it was a great father and son.

01:12:40.125 --> 01:12:40.995
That's fairly cool.

01:12:41.085 --> 01:12:41.385
Yeah.

01:12:41.655 --> 01:12:44.085
And the coolest part of course,
is that when they left the cabin,

01:12:44.745 --> 01:12:46.215
they laughed and we waved goodbye.

01:12:46.725 --> 01:12:48.765
And then about a half hour
later, they came back and they

01:12:48.765 --> 01:12:52.425
said wrong trail, they got lost.

01:12:52.425 --> 01:12:53.415
So he had to come back.

01:12:54.095 --> 01:12:54.735
It's pretty funny.

01:12:54.735 --> 01:12:54.885
Yeah.

01:12:55.065 --> 01:12:55.275
Yeah.

01:12:55.515 --> 01:12:57.885
Beautiful horses to carry
raised the horses themselves.

01:12:57.885 --> 01:13:00.465
So they're all matched nice
bays and, uh, it was good.

01:13:00.855 --> 01:13:03.495
So it's a perspective thing.

01:13:03.525 --> 01:13:07.185
They're not the magic bullet as,
as anybody who's hunted for a long

01:13:07.185 --> 01:13:08.925
time, there is no magic bullet.

01:13:08.925 --> 01:13:11.685
No, you got to put in the
work, you do it different ways.

01:13:11.685 --> 01:13:14.055
Some guys hunt from boats,
some guys fly in with playlists

01:13:14.055 --> 01:13:15.165
and some guys do it in truck.

01:13:15.175 --> 01:13:19.965
Some guys walk in, some guys
do all of that and uh, yeah.

01:13:20.715 --> 01:13:23.805
That's how horses that's how
horses are that's horses.

01:13:23.835 --> 01:13:24.075
Yeah.

01:13:24.235 --> 01:13:24.505
Yeah.

01:13:24.855 --> 01:13:25.305
Well,

01:13:25.875 --> 01:13:30.135
I'm sure we'll have some questions
coming up in, in the comments or quite

01:13:30.135 --> 01:13:31.695
often we'll get emails coming through.

01:13:32.385 --> 01:13:37.245
Uh, Thank you so much for being
on the Silvercore Podcast and

01:13:37.335 --> 01:13:38.415
sharing these stories really

01:13:38.415 --> 01:13:38.894
appreciate it.

01:13:39.014 --> 01:13:39.915
Thanks for having me.

01:13:39.915 --> 01:13:44.804
It was, uh, it was not as scary as I
thought it was gonna be lots of fun.

01:13:44.804 --> 01:13:45.184
Thanks for.