1 00:00:04,700 --> 00:00:10,550 Dariusz: Welcome to this episode of UNDER 30 podcast, brought to you by the EU - Council of Europe youth partnership. 2 00:00:11,690 --> 00:00:16,850 The new T-kit is out, T-kit number 15 on participatory youth policy. 3 00:00:17,750 --> 00:00:25,040 The training kits - T-kits - are publications for trainers, facilitators, educators, working with young people. 4 00:00:25,089 --> 00:00:26,529 They are easy to use. 5 00:00:26,559 --> 00:00:28,299 They are very practical. 6 00:00:28,869 --> 00:00:36,099 They are thematic educational material designed for training and facilitating learning with groups of young people. 7 00:00:36,759 --> 00:00:53,630 My name is Dariusz Grzemny and in this episode, we are talking about this new publication with Tanya Basarab from the youth partnership, Ajša Hadžibegović who is one of the authors of the ticket and Miriam Teuma, one of the contributors to the T-kit. 8 00:00:53,769 --> 00:00:54,939 So let's start. 9 00:00:58,129 --> 00:01:03,879 Today we are discussing the newest publication of the partnership, which is the next, T-kit. 10 00:01:04,239 --> 00:01:06,489 So it's the T-kit number 15. 11 00:01:06,569 --> 00:01:08,109 So there are already 15 publications. 12 00:01:08,109 --> 00:01:12,979 T-kits are very popular publications of the youth partnership. 13 00:01:13,079 --> 00:01:14,969 They are popular because they are very practical. 14 00:01:15,009 --> 00:01:27,689 They are introducing the topic and they are also very practical in terms of providing guidance and also even practical activities that can be used with different stakeholders, whoever is using the T-kit. 15 00:01:28,239 --> 00:01:32,709 So, T-kit number 15 on participatory youth policy. 16 00:01:33,749 --> 00:01:37,389 Why this T-kit, Tanya, in the partnership on youth policy? 17 00:01:38,301 --> 00:01:47,591 Tanya: So, youth policy has been a topic, one of the three areas that the partnership has been working on, which is common between the partner institutions. 18 00:01:47,981 --> 00:01:50,591 They approach it differently. 19 00:01:51,031 --> 00:01:55,721 And for many years the partnership was mostly supporting with knowledge gathering. 20 00:01:55,721 --> 00:02:04,181 So, through the European Knowledge Center for Youth Policy with their members, researchers, we were doing analysis. 21 00:02:04,641 --> 00:02:10,806 We had published a first manual on developing a youth policy strategy. 22 00:02:11,006 --> 00:02:32,116 And then we published a second manual, from a European perspective, how to develop youth policy, which, kind of moved from linear to cyclical approaches to youth policy and introduced several of the most debated aspects of youth policy in European context. 23 00:02:32,996 --> 00:02:41,936 And for several years, the partnership ran a couple of rounds of a project called Shaping Youth Policy in Practice. 24 00:02:42,566 --> 00:03:00,981 And through that project, usually five or six countries were setting up and trying very concrete implementation of youth policy actions, plans, and then they would meet again at the end and evaluate how that went. 25 00:03:00,981 --> 00:03:07,351 So it was really trying to share the knowledge and to help people adapt it into practice. 26 00:03:07,981 --> 00:03:13,881 All of this is also organized and structured in the Essentials of Youth Policy MOOC. 27 00:03:14,261 --> 00:03:33,186 So, there were all these different approaches, but when we developed the new youth policy manual, we realized it becomes very complex and we needed to help people to have some hands on guidance and templates to try educational activities on this topic. 28 00:03:33,196 --> 00:03:42,901 And this was the idea that the T-kit in fact, helps people implement what is in the manual in very practical approaches. 29 00:03:44,056 --> 00:03:44,646 Dariusz: Thank you, Tanya. 30 00:03:44,646 --> 00:03:49,036 So, practical manually, as I said before, T-kits are usually very practical. 31 00:03:49,456 --> 00:03:56,776 This topic is very new in terms of T-kit and it's not very new in terms of what you are doing in the partnership. 32 00:03:57,226 --> 00:04:08,756 But yeah, usually youth policy and youth organizations, especially the smaller youth organizations, sometimes they might be very afraid of tackling the issue of youth policy? 33 00:04:08,756 --> 00:04:08,996 No? 34 00:04:08,996 --> 00:04:12,306 They sometimes distance themselves a little bit from youth policy. 35 00:04:12,806 --> 00:04:15,716 This T-kit is on participatory youth policy. 36 00:04:15,776 --> 00:04:19,886 Can we explain what is this actually this participatory youth policy? 37 00:04:20,006 --> 00:04:21,296 Just to start out with discussion. 38 00:04:22,236 --> 00:04:33,221 . Ajsa: It's basically what we were attempting to do in distinguishing why youth policies are, let's say different than any other public policy. 39 00:04:33,951 --> 00:04:39,491 From one side, you can argue that it's public policy as any, but actually there is this difference in... 40 00:04:39,771 --> 00:04:45,906 by nature of youth participation in it and being it in the heart of how the policy should be shaped. 41 00:04:46,446 --> 00:05:16,016 And that's what we were trying also to put in the heart of the T kit, in a sense of making sure that every aspect, every step of public policy making, but then also of implementation and monitoring and evaluation of the public policy, is somehow coupled with the principles of youth participation and with the principles of, what has been a mantra in the youth sector of, you know, nothing about us without us, said by young people 42 00:05:16,046 --> 00:05:45,941 and for that, you definitely cannot leave it, to the young people on their own to figure out how to work out the policy context because it can be very, complex and very confusing, even for youth workers, I would say, and then that's the idea of why the educational aspect of, how to understand the policies, how to understand principles of policymaking, how to figure out what could be the vision of, you know, what you want to change 43 00:05:45,951 --> 00:06:04,091 with the policy, how to engage with different actors in the policy field, and then also how to monitor and evaluate it and have your voice present everywhere, would make sense for the educational activities, being it in youth work or non formal education or elsewhere for young people and those working with young people. 44 00:06:04,798 --> 00:06:05,808 Dariusz: Thanks Aisha. 45 00:06:05,808 --> 00:06:08,748 Miriam, you are a policymaker. 46 00:06:08,748 --> 00:06:10,568 You contributed to the T-kit. 47 00:06:10,928 --> 00:06:19,098 It's really important that young people are involved in youth policy development and also implementation, so on every step. 48 00:06:19,638 --> 00:06:21,188 The T-kit is a training kit. 49 00:06:21,348 --> 00:06:22,948 It's about training people. 50 00:06:23,308 --> 00:06:26,508 Do you think policymakers could be trained with this T-kit? 51 00:06:27,268 --> 00:06:30,458 And if yes, on what and how? 52 00:06:31,173 --> 00:06:32,373 . Miriam: Thank you for inviting me. 53 00:06:33,018 --> 00:06:34,428 Um, yes. 54 00:06:34,818 --> 00:06:38,748 I think this T-kit is the beginning. 55 00:06:38,798 --> 00:06:50,798 I see it as the beginning of how we can educate people and engaging people in the learning process of how to develop policy. 56 00:06:50,798 --> 00:07:01,708 I mean, both the policy makers and the young people, I mean, many times, we think that it's very easy to develop policy and also implement policy. 57 00:07:01,948 --> 00:07:15,528 It's because we think that, it's something that comes just naturally, but in a way, we felt that you need an education on how to develop policy and how to implement it. 58 00:07:15,578 --> 00:07:33,118 So, if we look at the exercises of this T-kit, it's a way on how to introduce both young people and administrators into the policy cycle, into, ways on how to start thinking on how to develop policy. 59 00:07:33,168 --> 00:07:40,478 We always complain that young people are not so participative sometimes. 60 00:07:40,938 --> 00:07:45,608 I mean, that not all young people are interested in policy making. 61 00:07:45,608 --> 00:07:51,208 And it's true, not all young people are interested in policy making. 62 00:07:51,598 --> 00:07:54,228 But there is also a step. 63 00:07:54,228 --> 00:08:00,398 Sometimes it's not because they're interested, but sometimes it's because they don't have the confidence to do this. 64 00:08:00,668 --> 00:08:14,018 So educating them into how they should participate, educating them into what are the elements of youth policy and what their contribution is, is very important. 65 00:08:14,408 --> 00:08:18,768 So the idea over here is to educate to participate. 66 00:08:19,018 --> 00:08:25,668 I mean, it's not just to participate, but I'm educating you on how you should participate. 67 00:08:26,662 --> 00:08:27,062 Dariusz: Thank you, Miriam. 68 00:08:27,212 --> 00:08:29,442 And probably also motivate young people as well. 69 00:08:29,442 --> 00:08:38,372 I mean, motivation comes from getting self confidence and also education, especially on the complex issue like youth policy. 70 00:08:38,602 --> 00:08:40,982 So maybe let's start with Talking about what's inside. 71 00:08:40,992 --> 00:08:42,402 What can we find there? 72 00:08:42,482 --> 00:08:46,112 How supportive this material can be to different stakeholders. 73 00:08:47,152 --> 00:08:50,302 Ajsa: I think the T-kit is massive. 74 00:08:50,712 --> 00:09:06,642 Not to say that it's scary, no, but this huge resource really has a potential of supporting engagement of young people and I would say, all those working with young people and supporting young people engagement, because it provides several entry points, no? 75 00:09:07,052 --> 00:09:26,987 And with that, what I mean is that there are five sections in the T kit, and each of the section is kind of thematically rounded, and each of the section has not just the educational activities there that are proposed but kind of theoretical input that is necessary to understand that section. 76 00:09:27,007 --> 00:09:30,597 And I mean, this is also something that is very much summarized, no? 77 00:09:30,777 --> 00:09:39,197 There are still links to resources where you could learn more and get more in depth understanding or get more information about a specific topic. 78 00:09:39,517 --> 00:09:46,527 But, you know, it provides enough for an educator to understand the area in which the activity then could be realized. 79 00:09:46,647 --> 00:09:58,637 And these five sections, if you allow me, I think it's worth sharing what they are, because they are kind of following the public policy cycles in general, but then with this specific seasoning of what makes it participatory there, no? 80 00:09:58,947 --> 00:10:03,707 And then the first section is about understanding youth policy. 81 00:10:04,187 --> 00:10:08,547 And then, the second one looks more into the principles of policy making. 82 00:10:09,102 --> 00:10:20,612 And I would say, the third one, which is kind of in the middle, you would say, and some people would argue this is where we need to start, is the one on visioning what kind of change we want to bring in with youth policy. 83 00:10:21,052 --> 00:10:41,442 But actually we thought, if you look at this sequencing, it needs to be in the middle because you need first to understand, what Miriam was referring to before, you need to first understand what we are talking about, what is the whole ecosystem of the public policies before we can see then what could be the role of youth policy and what could be, what we could engage with changing. 84 00:10:41,892 --> 00:10:42,962 So, that's three, no? 85 00:10:42,992 --> 00:10:47,702 Understanding the public policy principles and then visioning of the change. 86 00:10:48,282 --> 00:11:01,092 And the fourth one was more about looking even more into details, looking into the ecosystem and identifying or mapping how we call the section, who are the actors and how to engage with them. 87 00:11:01,152 --> 00:11:21,422 And this is what we are also finding that's crucial, or, you know, I keep saying that every of these sections is crucial, but this is also one of the very important elements of how then you can make any engagement of young people actually worthwhile because they're engaging with the right actors or spending their energy discussing or bringing the issues to them. 88 00:11:21,852 --> 00:11:40,792 And final section or the fifth one is on monitoring and evaluation, which again in its own is very important one because even if we create the greatest youth policy, if its implementation is not monitored by participation of young people and if it's not evaluated with the experiences and voices of young people, again, you know, we could miss a lot. 89 00:11:41,132 --> 00:11:47,202 So with these five sections, I mean, there are 32 activities, again, really huge resource. 90 00:11:47,742 --> 00:11:58,217 But I would say that those activities are built in such a way that they could be created, recreated or, you know, implemented in a solely educational environment. 91 00:11:58,277 --> 00:12:13,887 But I think what this T-kit is bringing, kind of as a step further, is that those activities could be supportive also in the educational environment that could result in actual youth participation in youth policy making. 92 00:12:14,307 --> 00:12:31,542 Which is really making this additional step and a kind of additional effort of supporting young people to actually then participate so that we don't, let's say, finish with this was educational purpose, this was simulation, this was exercise and now let's leave it to what might come next. 93 00:12:31,562 --> 00:12:45,052 But actually those activities are designed for youth workers or educators who are looking to support young people to actually engage with some policy processes, being it at local or European level that they could do it by using those activities. 94 00:12:45,902 --> 00:13:02,672 Maybe just one more feature that I think it's interesting there is that we are proposing with different activities, of course, as in different T-kits before, this one, different variations and kind of, you know, what to look at and what to be sensitive about and attentive about. 95 00:13:03,082 --> 00:13:16,667 But then we are proposing which of those activities is kind of connected or what could be the next step with some other activity in that or one of the other sections in this five section T-kit that I was explaining. 96 00:13:16,967 --> 00:13:31,867 So it really provides, let's say, even a path, if you want, of navigation from wherever you start with the T-kit, you don't need to start linearly, but from wherever you start, what are the needs of the young people who are there as learners. 97 00:13:32,157 --> 00:13:41,267 You could kind of be directed or find some of the pointers where to continue with or what could be the next step to offer to the young people as learners there. 98 00:13:41,737 --> 00:13:57,332 And I think that's supportive to the educational design for this topic, which, you know, one could argue is complex and not necessarily something that's, as you were saying at the beginning, not necessarily something that's coming so naturally to a lot of us in the field, but it should be. 99 00:13:57,422 --> 00:13:58,982 That's, that's my opinion. 100 00:14:00,313 --> 00:14:04,573 Dariusz: I think that's the issue that a lot of youth organizations are faced with that they would like to do that. 101 00:14:04,643 --> 00:14:20,583 They would like to make young people aware of the impact of youth policy, or they would like to even involve young people in policymaking, but they don't know how, dealing with the resistance, also debunking a lot of myths about youth policy that is actually nothing that it doesn't have impact on their lives and so on. 102 00:14:20,943 --> 00:14:32,973 And I think that's important to devise this kind of path on what is the entry point for young people to actually understand the value of participation in policymaking and where it will lead us, what we are going to end up with. 103 00:14:33,293 --> 00:14:33,543 Okay. 104 00:14:33,543 --> 00:14:34,883 It's a very big resource. 105 00:14:34,923 --> 00:14:35,583 That's true. 106 00:14:35,823 --> 00:14:36,743 It's a huge book. 107 00:14:37,013 --> 00:14:55,493 I can imagine if you are a youth worker and you are already quite knowledgeable about the youth policy making and also the landscape of youth policy in Europe, then you may look at the activities, actually, how they can support you in your work as the youth worker or educator to actually introduce it to the young people and get them involved. 108 00:14:56,753 --> 00:15:01,893 But yeah, but there are a lot of other organizations that would like to do it, and they maybe don't have so much experience. 109 00:15:02,253 --> 00:15:08,313 Do they have to read the whole manual to actually get started and get prepared? 110 00:15:08,403 --> 00:15:10,683 How do you actually involve youth organizations? 111 00:15:10,683 --> 00:15:12,993 And how do you make sure that they are involved? 112 00:15:13,023 --> 00:15:19,953 Or how you convince them that this is a good tool they can use to introduce this and support the participation of young people? 113 00:15:20,907 --> 00:15:25,482 Ajsa: If I can attempt to answer first, let's say again, let's repeat again. 114 00:15:25,522 --> 00:15:26,522 It's not scary. 115 00:15:27,072 --> 00:15:31,212 It's a big, rich potential of resources there. 116 00:15:31,292 --> 00:15:39,092 And I would say, I mean, it really depends on the personal style of any educator, you know, or anyone who engages with young people. 117 00:15:39,102 --> 00:15:51,177 There are youth workers and educators who, you know, read from beginning to the end, any manual that is there and then decide what's important for them and how to adapt it to the youth groups that they're working with. 118 00:15:51,177 --> 00:15:56,017 And then there are those who are just looking for specific activity for this specific thing. 119 00:15:56,017 --> 00:15:59,057 And, you know, by, by keyword searching, finding their way. 120 00:15:59,517 --> 00:16:02,977 I would recommend for this T-kit to really discuss it with young people. 121 00:16:02,977 --> 00:16:23,417 In the nature of participatory policymaking I think that's the only way to go about it, to really discuss with young people and clarify what they want to learn, what they want to explore, what they want to engage with, with an emphasis also what they want to engage with, because then from there, there is this entry point, in the T kit that could be taken as a first. 122 00:16:23,957 --> 00:16:36,157 I would recommend, I mean, this is what we were discussing as authors of the T kit of, you know, how to make it more, useful to anyone who is engaging with these texts and with these educational activities. 123 00:16:36,417 --> 00:16:54,327 And we decided against having a big theoretical chunk at the beginning and then activities somewhere, you know, towards the end, because then you really skip the opportunity to easily find this connection between theoretical and educational practical application of that theory. 124 00:16:54,807 --> 00:17:03,407 So that's why each section is starting with this short, theoretical input, which is few pages, and it shouldn't be too much to read and kind of get the idea. 125 00:17:03,687 --> 00:17:30,082 And even through this, let's say, theoretical part, there is reference to, you know, if there is a little theory describing, for instance, a principle of policymaking that is talking about inclusiveness, then there is immediately at the end of that little paragraph a reference to which activity actually is tackling that principle and could be helpful if you want to discuss this with the youth group, you know. 126 00:17:30,412 --> 00:17:40,337 So in that sense, I would say that there was attempt to make it connected, you know, that there is connection between theoretical discussion and then practical educational activity. 127 00:17:40,747 --> 00:18:08,787 And with that said, maybe just to say, I mean, the main focus is on young people and youth organizations, of course, but I would also encourage everyone to look at it as a resource that could be used by youth organizations to engage in discussions with the policymakers or to engage in discussions with, you know, other actors in the field because every activity has this possibility that the groups or learners that are 128 00:18:08,787 --> 00:18:27,127 engaging with it is not necessarily just young people, but it could be multi stakeholder groups, which again is bringing an additional value when different opinions and different discussions, different experiences are being shared in the learners group and kind of being discussed, and people getting awareness of it. 129 00:18:27,197 --> 00:18:42,447 And I think in that way T-KIT is really offering multiple choices of how could it be used and how could it be useful with the end idea of, or the resulting idea of really supporting more youth engagement in shaping youth policies. 130 00:18:43,337 --> 00:18:44,177 Dariusz: Thank you for this. 131 00:18:44,297 --> 00:18:47,517 Okay, this is a resource. 132 00:18:48,147 --> 00:19:02,647 We already said that it can be used by many people, by many stakeholders just to make sure that young people are involved in policy making, but how this manual can support the implementation and development of youth policy on different levels. 133 00:19:02,647 --> 00:19:14,677 Because I can understand that it can be used on national level, local level, young people can create local youth policies or on European level if you are international organization, not necessarily national as well. 134 00:19:14,927 --> 00:19:21,937 So, how this manual can actually contribute to youth policy implementation and development. 135 00:19:22,846 --> 00:19:30,996 Miriam: In reality, when we look at the T-kits, I mean, first of all, it's true it's a big T-kit, but it's written in very simple language. 136 00:19:30,996 --> 00:19:42,586 Let's start off with this, and many times when we look even at the previous publications that we have as, Tanya was explaining at the beginning, this is made in a more simple way. 137 00:19:43,256 --> 00:19:48,446 So for those who are really starting off, and it's not only the young people. 138 00:19:48,446 --> 00:20:00,036 I mean there are administrators, there are sometimes, politicians and stakeholders who are involved in policy making and, and are still new. 139 00:20:00,806 --> 00:20:32,556 And I think that this T-kit would be a good read, especially the first two chapters, like I mean of course on how to stick it and then the second chapter, is a good read to make you understand what youth policy is all about, why are we doing it, and what's happening at a European level, which you in a way can adopt if you're using it at regional, national level or local level. 140 00:20:33,446 --> 00:20:41,246 So, so in a way, I suggest that this would be your first attempt to try and understand youth policy. 141 00:20:41,676 --> 00:21:03,831 And in a way, as I was saying, since it's going to be your first attempt, it allows you to understand what your policy is about, and also gives you an idea on how you can continue increasing your competencies, like reading further, and doing other things, you know, informing yourself. 142 00:21:04,441 --> 00:21:07,081 The next level, then, is... 143 00:21:07,921 --> 00:21:17,371 Can I continue learning about it and the fact that we believe in the developmental aspect of young people. 144 00:21:18,031 --> 00:21:54,381 You know, I see this as a way on how to develop the skills of young people and also those who are not young, I mean through the educational activities and to increase their competence and develop their knowledge on how to start developing policy, or if I end up in a place where youth policy has already been developed, but I'm in the place where I have to start implementing the policy, I can also go through some educational process to start implementing it. 145 00:21:54,391 --> 00:22:06,981 So, so this is the way I see and this T-kit can be used and I see it as the first simple way to start using it. 146 00:22:08,316 --> 00:22:11,206 Tanya: Maybe I can add a few points. 147 00:22:11,206 --> 00:22:18,796 We've had for many years the Have Your Say manual, which was based on the Charter for Participation of Young People in Local and Regional Life. 148 00:22:19,276 --> 00:22:25,426 At European level the Council of Europe has its statutory bodies, and co management. 149 00:22:25,476 --> 00:22:33,466 The EU is running regularly these very large consultations through the EU Youth Dialogue. 150 00:22:33,986 --> 00:22:51,751 But in the T-kit we wanted to help even those consultative structures that might exist at local level, youth councils, to give them some support for practical activities, practical initiatives they might want to do. 151 00:22:52,011 --> 00:23:06,896 So, it's not always when we talk about youth policy, we don't mean that there has to be a document designed in this very classical way with two rounds of research and consultation and participation and input. 152 00:23:06,896 --> 00:23:08,106 And then we have a document. 153 00:23:08,126 --> 00:23:17,346 But it's rather to say, Okay, so in my community, we want to improve the free time spaces for young people. 154 00:23:17,596 --> 00:23:20,986 Let me look in here and see what we can do together. 155 00:23:21,006 --> 00:23:50,046 So, I find that the authors, we had quite a good input first through, through a wide expert group, but the authors have really worked very, very hard at designing this very concrete activities that are immediately explained, as both Ajsa and Miriam were talking about this conceptual and activity are connected in this T-kit. 156 00:23:51,016 --> 00:24:15,861 They even co opted experts who wrote activities that involve a digital aspect, a digital dimension, so trying to really think of designing activities or adapting what used to be activities in offline mode, to do it in an interactive mode where young people feel comfortable and more confident to engage. 157 00:24:16,181 --> 00:24:33,801 So, I think that's really an added value of the way this T-kit has shaped and from the experience of the participating countries in shaping youth policy in practice, it's always surprising to see that the most obvious is the most challenging sometimes. 158 00:24:34,071 --> 00:24:39,881 For example, even setting up these mixed expertise delegations. 159 00:24:39,911 --> 00:24:47,001 When you say, please bring youth organizations, policy makers, researchers and experts from other fields. 160 00:24:47,001 --> 00:24:53,671 And that is even another dimension that this cross sectoral or bringing this youth perspective to other fields. 161 00:24:53,671 --> 00:25:01,481 It's something that is growing as in interest at European level, but it's a challenge for local level even. 162 00:25:01,651 --> 00:25:09,131 Who do I involve and how do I convince them that the value of what I try to do with the young people is important? 163 00:25:09,131 --> 00:25:23,721 So we hope that this T-kit also helps people gain this competence and this confidence to be able to run these processes with some good outcome, with some purpose. 164 00:25:24,921 --> 00:25:34,671 Miriam: In a way, to continue on what Tania is saying, I see this T-kit even to be used in a youth club, you know. 165 00:25:34,781 --> 00:26:01,856 I mean, youth policy is not just European, at European level or at national level or, you know, it's something, but I might also need, want to do a policy in my youth club, and there are some activities in there, which I can do with young people first to engage them to participate and then develop a policy for our youth club. 166 00:26:01,856 --> 00:26:08,726 I mean, we always think that youth policy is something huge or something to be done at national or or European level. 167 00:26:08,756 --> 00:26:22,026 But in a way, if we really want the young people to start participating and interesting themselves in policy, which is beyond their community, it has to start within the community first. 168 00:26:22,326 --> 00:26:42,776 And this is a way, using this T-kit, is a way on how to start engaging young people in policy at, at a very grassroots level, and which then can move on, a few of them can move on, and to involve themselves and participate at other levels outside their community. 169 00:26:44,026 --> 00:26:44,476 Dariusz: Thank you. 170 00:26:44,656 --> 00:26:59,536 I think that now it's very clear that this can be used basically by everybody who is interested in developing policy, youth policy or policies related to young people, like you said, Miriam, even in the youth club or in the youth organization, not only on the big level. 171 00:27:00,146 --> 00:27:07,226 But we all also know that the success of any publication actually depends on how we are going to reach people with it.. 172 00:27:07,326 --> 00:27:12,886 People need to be maybe sometimes trained even how to use the publication, what to do with it. 173 00:27:12,986 --> 00:27:17,526 It also depends on how it's promoted, and who is addressed with it and so on. 174 00:27:18,076 --> 00:27:42,726 Tanya, what the partnership is going to do to make people aware that this publication exists and, it's a valuable resource they can use in actually implementing or developing policy, a youth policy and, thinking about even from the youth club perspective, going on the bigger level, you know, sometimes young people want to be involved, but as we said several times in this episode, they don't know how. 175 00:27:42,766 --> 00:27:45,196 So what the partnership is planning to do. 176 00:27:45,196 --> 00:27:47,326 You already mentioned the MOOC on youth policy. 177 00:27:47,376 --> 00:27:48,636 What else is planned? 178 00:27:50,246 --> 00:28:02,366 Tanya: Maybe just to clarify that the processes of the layout and the visual design for the T-kit was parallel to the update of the content of the MOOC on youth policy essentials. 179 00:28:02,366 --> 00:28:15,021 And we, of course, used this as an occasion to transfer quite a lot of the activities and actions developed for the T-kit into the design of the MOOC. 180 00:28:15,446 --> 00:28:21,216 The MOOC remains a broad outreach, and very generic outreach channel. 181 00:28:21,576 --> 00:28:32,406 But apart from podcasts, we will have to see also with the authors how we could maybe record a few very short videos about its purpose. 182 00:28:32,456 --> 00:28:36,016 So, continue to use the audio visual dimension. 183 00:28:36,046 --> 00:28:45,442 We are still finalizing some illustrations, some posters that try to organize some parts of the manual on youth policy. 184 00:28:45,462 --> 00:28:49,312 So that is something that will help to disseminate the TKIT as well. 185 00:28:49,902 --> 00:29:01,112 And, we are proposing to run dissemination, at least one concrete dissemination activity, also as part of the shaping youth policy in practice in the next biannual program. 186 00:29:01,112 --> 00:29:08,212 And there will be many occasions where we will have meetings with practitioners on the ground. 187 00:29:08,242 --> 00:29:14,682 And for all those meetings, we hope that we will have a space to introduce the T-kit. 188 00:29:15,252 --> 00:29:20,882 Actually, I think that this particular T-kit, there has been a call for such a tool for a long time. 189 00:29:21,242 --> 00:29:29,072 Of course we will disseminate it through the statutory bodies, so the youth organizations and the government representatives. 190 00:29:29,442 --> 00:29:36,017 And we have a few networks of practitioners connected to us on the implementation of the youth work agenda. 191 00:29:36,017 --> 00:29:40,287 And of course, this is part of youth policy implementation. 192 00:29:40,797 --> 00:29:50,277 And, we hope also to do the outreach through our partners, because we have a network of partners that also reaches out to other groups. 193 00:29:50,730 --> 00:29:53,970 Dariusz: Thank you all for being here today in our podcast. 194 00:29:54,150 --> 00:30:01,170 The new T-kit on participatory youth policy is available for download now from the partnership website. 195 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:05,610 And you will find the link to it in the notes to this episode. 196 00:30:06,060 --> 00:30:06,720 Thanks again.