The LeanScaper Podcast

In this powerful episode, Benji sits down with Jon DeWaal, Executive Director of Liminal Space, to unpack burnout from the inside out - what it feels like, why it happens, and how entrepreneurs can break free from the grind that’s stealing their energy and purpose.

Expect to learn:
• What “functional burnout” feels like and how it traps leaders in a life they can’t escape
• How burnout hijacks your presence, leadership, and decision-making
• Easy-to-spot signs you’re burning out (and what to do about it)
• 5 practical strategies to get back your energy and lead with purpose
• Why owning your limits can actually build trust and performance in your team

This episode cuts to the heart of a common but unspoken problem: the cost of grinding nonstop without pause. Jon gives you the tools to self-diagnose burnout and reframe it not as a failure, but as a signal that it’s time to lead differently. If you’re running low on energy but can’t slow down - this one’s for you.

Connect with Jon Learn more at inaliminalspace.org Email: jon@inaliminalspace.org

What is The LeanScaper Podcast?

The LeanScaper Podcast is where serious landscape leaders go to grow.

If you want new school systems for an old school industry, expertly crafted interviews with world class experts, endless inspiration you’ve come to the right place.

Hosted by Benji Carlson and Mark Bradley. New Episodes release every Monday, on every platform.