WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:00.789 --> 00:00:06.320 Welcome to the Soul Touched by Dogs Podcast, the show for dog lovers who 00:00:06.340 --> 00:00:12.000 see dogs not as toys or tools, but wise souls worth our respect and care. 00:00:12.580 --> 00:00:14.559 I'm an Herrmann, and I'm your host. 00:00:15.320 --> 00:00:20.560 I talk to poor some humans, people who do great work for dogs and their people. 00:00:21.099 --> 00:00:23.360 So come and join us for today's conversation. 00:00:25.930 --> 00:00:27.370 Anke: Hello, and welcome, Sarah. 00:00:27.370 --> 00:00:29.470 I'm super excited to have you here. 00:00:30.555 --> 00:00:30.795 Sarah: Hi. 00:00:30.795 --> 00:00:31.995 Thank you for asking me. 00:00:31.995 --> 00:00:33.455 It's, uh, a real pleasure. 00:00:34.555 --> 00:00:35.055 Anke: Wonderful. 00:00:35.195 --> 00:00:39.595 So, you know, before we have a closer look at all these little cute little yellow 00:00:39.595 --> 00:00:41.120 vests I can see you in the background. 00:00:42.140 --> 00:00:45.200 Um, give people the bird's eye overview. 00:00:45.260 --> 00:00:47.280 You know, 2 minutes where you're based. 00:00:47.580 --> 00:00:51.105 You know, what's your What's your business with dogs? 00:00:52.045 --> 00:00:52.445 Sarah: Okay. 00:00:52.445 --> 00:00:52.845 Yeah. 00:00:52.845 --> 00:00:58.625 So, um, my name is Sarah Jones, and I am, uh, the owner of MyAnxiousDog. 00:00:59.860 --> 00:01:05.880 And I created a national awareness day to go alongside alongside my brand 00:01:05.940 --> 00:01:08.360 called, uh, hashtag dogs in yellow. 00:01:09.855 --> 00:01:15.215 And I got into the world of yellow because, um, of my 00:01:15.215 --> 00:01:16.895 dog, Bella, who's now 11. 00:01:16.895 --> 00:01:18.035 She's a cocker spaniel. 00:01:19.360 --> 00:01:22.980 Um, and she literally had anxiety and trauma from birth, 00:01:23.360 --> 00:01:25.600 so it's all stemmed from there. 00:01:25.600 --> 00:01:28.585 So I am able to tell you all about that. 00:01:28.585 --> 00:01:32.445 But, um, because Bella became a reactive dog with, um, several 00:01:32.745 --> 00:01:37.270 things that happened to her when she was young, Um, I decided that I 00:01:37.270 --> 00:01:40.570 needed something more than training. 00:01:40.630 --> 00:01:43.590 You know, I obviously went down the road of training, seeing 00:01:43.590 --> 00:01:44.730 behaviorist, and everything. 00:01:45.255 --> 00:01:48.315 But I needed something visual because not everybody understands 00:01:49.095 --> 00:01:51.035 about reactive and anxious dogs. 00:01:51.415 --> 00:01:53.975 Um, so, yeah, that's how I got into the world of yellow. 00:01:53.975 --> 00:01:59.320 I was told about, Um, putting a rip a yellow ribbon on her lead, um, 00:01:59.320 --> 00:02:02.575 which made her look even prettier, which really didn't help she was 00:02:02.575 --> 00:02:07.075 also reactive to people as well, and it all just stemmed from there. 00:02:07.375 --> 00:02:10.680 It all rolled into 1 big 1 big thing. 00:02:11.060 --> 00:02:11.620 Anke: Love it. 00:02:11.620 --> 00:02:12.020 Love it. 00:02:12.020 --> 00:02:17.160 I kinda can't wait to unpack that a little bit because, um, yeah, my my first dog 00:02:17.220 --> 00:02:22.285 got But when he was 11 months old and then and ever ever since, he was always, 00:02:22.285 --> 00:02:26.305 like, you know, didn't quite trust other male dogs and couldn't find spaces. 00:02:26.365 --> 00:02:30.020 So I'm like, you're going, oh, I wish something like this had existed. 00:02:30.640 --> 00:02:35.995 And and people enough people knew about it To also respect it 00:02:35.995 --> 00:02:36.955 because that's the whole point. 00:02:36.955 --> 00:02:40.555 You know, if the other person doesn't know what it means, then there's no point. 00:02:40.555 --> 00:02:42.955 So tell me a little bit about it. 00:02:42.955 --> 00:02:50.390 So, Basically, if you put a a yellow vest on your dog, that communicates 00:02:50.530 --> 00:02:52.365 to other people to just, like, 00:02:52.445 --> 00:02:53.005 Sarah: Stayed at Yeah. 00:02:53.005 --> 00:02:57.905 So it started in Australia back in, um, 2000. 00:02:58.285 --> 00:03:01.345 So yellow is the official warning color for caution. 00:03:02.810 --> 00:03:07.290 Um, and in the horse world, which I I'm not in at all, if you had 00:03:07.290 --> 00:03:10.670 a kicking horse, I used to tie a red ribbon on the back of a horse. 00:03:11.345 --> 00:03:11.845 Oh. 00:03:12.705 --> 00:03:16.785 So that's where the yellow ribbon came from, the mixture of yellow warning 00:03:16.785 --> 00:03:20.040 color for caution and The ribbon idea. 00:03:20.040 --> 00:03:21.560 So that's where it stemmed from. 00:03:21.560 --> 00:03:25.080 But, obviously, a yellow ribbon isn't clear to people, and it 00:03:25.080 --> 00:03:26.620 can't be seen from a distance. 00:03:27.365 --> 00:03:33.465 So it stemmed into yellow leaves, yellow harnesses, things like that. 00:03:35.430 --> 00:03:40.330 Back then, I'm talking, like, 10 years ago, there was very limited product 00:03:40.550 --> 00:03:46.175 around, and Bella was very reactive To touch people's touch as well and 00:03:46.175 --> 00:03:48.835 being a pretty dog, it was a nightmare. 00:03:49.215 --> 00:03:56.540 Um, so I then decided that, um, I designed my own product, and 00:03:56.540 --> 00:03:58.140 so that's what I what I did. 00:03:58.140 --> 00:04:02.145 So I designed a harness with Um, keep away. 00:04:02.445 --> 00:04:07.405 I wanted something simple, easy to understand, and I didn't I didn't 00:04:07.405 --> 00:04:09.005 care what people thought of Bella. 00:04:09.005 --> 00:04:12.030 We do get go, oh, well, I don't wanna pet people to think this 00:04:12.030 --> 00:04:14.110 about my dog or that about my dog. 00:04:14.110 --> 00:04:17.725 So I don't care if they stay away from her or the dog stay away from her. 00:04:17.805 --> 00:04:19.665 She's happy, and that's my concern. 00:04:20.205 --> 00:04:20.925 Anke: I love that. 00:04:20.925 --> 00:04:24.125 I mean, like, this is something that comes up a lot. 00:04:24.125 --> 00:04:27.505 It's the sense that we have to be an advocate for our dogs, 00:04:27.710 --> 00:04:28.990 you know, above anything. 00:04:28.990 --> 00:04:29.230 You know? 00:04:29.230 --> 00:04:32.830 Like, just because somebody wants to come and pet the dog, it doesn't 00:04:32.830 --> 00:04:34.725 mean we let we have to let them. 00:04:34.965 --> 00:04:36.345 So what's your experience? 00:04:36.725 --> 00:04:39.845 Do people like, what is people's reactions? 00:04:39.845 --> 00:04:44.750 Because sometimes, you know, we can kind of make Like, we can worry about 00:04:44.810 --> 00:04:48.570 an imagined reaction that is way worse than what you usually have in real life. 00:04:48.570 --> 00:04:52.675 So what's your reaction, or what is people's reactions when, You 00:04:53.855 --> 00:04:55.455 know, to a bell a yellow west. 00:04:55.455 --> 00:04:57.215 Do people kind of like, oh, what is that? 00:04:57.215 --> 00:04:58.095 Do people ask? 00:04:58.095 --> 00:04:59.295 Do people respect it? 00:04:59.295 --> 00:05:00.995 What's the reaction in general? 00:05:01.720 --> 00:05:02.040 Back in 00:05:02.040 --> 00:05:10.955 Sarah: the day, um, a long time ago, I I found it really comforting, Um, because I 00:05:10.955 --> 00:05:13.935 didn't see Bella's communication skills. 00:05:14.075 --> 00:05:17.675 I wasn't a dog trainer or a dog behaviorist, so I didn't even see 00:05:17.675 --> 00:05:20.390 my own dog's Communication skills. 00:05:20.390 --> 00:05:24.390 So then when I put the yellow 1, I felt like that was a way to 00:05:24.390 --> 00:05:26.970 show what she was actually saying. 00:05:27.190 --> 00:05:33.685 So People's attitudes are now are really good, much, much better. 00:05:34.225 --> 00:05:41.500 Um, and I would I would say probably 8 out of 10 people now recognize what yellow is. 00:05:41.880 --> 00:05:48.675 Um, but you do still get people that say that, But I've had dogs all my life. 00:05:48.675 --> 00:05:51.575 I'm good with dogs, you know, the the usual. 00:05:51.635 --> 00:05:54.455 Some people just go walk by and go, ah. 00:05:55.315 --> 00:05:55.715 You know? 00:05:55.715 --> 00:06:02.520 But You get a mixture a mixture of, um, attitudes, but I found with the 00:06:02.840 --> 00:06:07.225 once the National Awareness Day was registered, then It it really took 00:06:07.225 --> 00:06:13.545 off with, you know, being able to get everybody involved, uh, in in that day. 00:06:13.545 --> 00:06:18.060 So not only do people use Use the hashtag on March the twentieth, 00:06:18.600 --> 00:06:20.040 but we use it all the time now. 00:06:20.040 --> 00:06:21.180 It's part of the brand. 00:06:22.360 --> 00:06:23.800 Anke: And it is effective then. 00:06:23.800 --> 00:06:26.115 So it does Make people stay away. 00:06:26.115 --> 00:06:29.075 So does it say it, like, directly on the actual vest? 00:06:29.075 --> 00:06:29.795 Or or 00:06:30.595 --> 00:06:31.235 Sarah: Um, Yep. 00:06:31.235 --> 00:06:31.635 Yep. 00:06:31.635 --> 00:06:35.190 So I I have several people who have different preferences. 00:06:35.890 --> 00:06:41.910 So this this is a Y harness, um, and it's, uh, a yellow padded harness. 00:06:41.945 --> 00:06:45.305 It's a really good quality harness, and it's got Anxious 00:06:45.305 --> 00:06:47.405 embroidered down the sides. 00:06:48.025 --> 00:06:51.225 Um, and this little collar, it's got the yellow heart on there. 00:06:51.225 --> 00:06:54.510 So because some people get really embarrassed about using the yellow. 00:06:55.130 --> 00:06:56.970 Um, and I always say it's not label. 00:06:56.970 --> 00:06:58.190 It comes from love. 00:06:58.330 --> 00:07:02.525 So the little yellow heart is part of Part of our our brand. 00:07:02.985 --> 00:07:07.565 Um, and then the other ones up there have keep away on, but 00:07:07.625 --> 00:07:10.370 we have all sorts of Messages. 00:07:10.670 --> 00:07:16.290 We do lead slips, ignore my dog, um, keep you distance, do not touch. 00:07:17.535 --> 00:07:20.435 Anything and everything you can think of without being rude. 00:07:27.740 --> 00:07:28.240 Anke: Yeah. 00:07:29.340 --> 00:07:32.780 I mean, the thing is you find there's a different reaction if 00:07:32.780 --> 00:07:35.665 it's if it says anxious, You know? 00:07:35.885 --> 00:07:40.525 Versus, like, stay away meaning I mean, it depends also on what if it's a 00:07:40.525 --> 00:07:44.910 little fluffy doll or, you know, if I'm coming along with my big Spanish master. 00:07:45.470 --> 00:07:48.990 Well, as it is, people kind of see me from a distance and grab their little 00:07:48.990 --> 00:07:52.725 dogs and run the other way, which is really my little revenge Or where all 00:07:52.725 --> 00:07:57.285 the pain they gave me when I had a little Leo and everybody kind of seemed 00:07:57.285 --> 00:07:59.740 to feel the need to invade our Yeah. 00:08:01.000 --> 00:08:05.240 So but, I mean, if I have a big dog like that and I have this, like, stay away, 00:08:05.240 --> 00:08:07.980 everybody would assume she's aggressive. 00:08:08.325 --> 00:08:08.725 You know? 00:08:08.725 --> 00:08:09.045 Yeah. 00:08:09.045 --> 00:08:13.045 So versus anxious is like, you know, does that matter? 00:08:13.045 --> 00:08:15.125 Or, like, I guess it doesn't really matter at the end of 00:08:15.125 --> 00:08:16.405 the day as long as people stay 00:08:16.405 --> 00:08:16.905 Sarah: awake. 00:08:17.500 --> 00:08:19.200 It's down to people's preference. 00:08:19.340 --> 00:08:20.640 I like to keep away. 00:08:21.260 --> 00:08:23.040 I didn't have an issue with it. 00:08:23.340 --> 00:08:28.635 But, um, some people do, And I and I try and say to them, you know, your 00:08:28.635 --> 00:08:30.895 dog is basically saying keep away. 00:08:31.355 --> 00:08:32.235 Who do you love more? 00:08:32.235 --> 00:08:35.850 That person, stranger over there, or do you love your own dog? 00:08:35.930 --> 00:08:37.530 You know, so I'd like to keep for your dog. 00:08:37.530 --> 00:08:40.190 If people think your dog's scary, oh, well. 00:08:40.810 --> 00:08:42.970 Just, you know, they'll move on to somebody else. 00:08:42.970 --> 00:08:43.930 It's not a problem. 00:08:43.930 --> 00:08:46.975 Whereas It can make a huge difference to your own dog. 00:08:47.435 --> 00:08:50.875 So, um, but you can make a little story up as well. 00:08:50.875 --> 00:08:55.580 So Like I showed you my, uh, wire harness with the anxious on. 00:08:55.880 --> 00:09:01.485 Obviously, that says anxious, and then you can use a A keep away lead, or you can use 00:09:01.485 --> 00:09:04.545 a keep away harness with an anxious lead. 00:09:05.165 --> 00:09:10.720 And then you can put Do not you know, you can make a whole whole story up about 00:09:10.720 --> 00:09:12.660 what your dog likes or doesn't like. 00:09:13.415 --> 00:09:13.575 Thank 00:09:13.575 --> 00:09:13.695 Anke: you. 00:09:13.695 --> 00:09:15.575 I love I love that you can see the car. 00:09:15.575 --> 00:09:17.115 Like, you can see it from a distance. 00:09:17.495 --> 00:09:17.975 You know? 00:09:17.975 --> 00:09:18.215 Yeah. 00:09:18.215 --> 00:09:21.335 Because that's the thing that I found when I was like, Iglia was sort of, 00:09:21.335 --> 00:09:24.820 like, Cocker, Corgi kind of size. 00:09:24.820 --> 00:09:25.140 You know? 00:09:25.140 --> 00:09:29.080 So he wasn't a tiny dog, but he wasn't big even though he thought he was. 00:09:29.220 --> 00:09:33.195 But, I mean, you know, it's like People would kind of like, they 00:09:33.195 --> 00:09:36.495 could see you from a distance, and I could see him getting tense. 00:09:37.195 --> 00:09:40.815 And they'd be just like and I would try and avoid and no. 00:09:40.910 --> 00:09:43.470 A little bit of dogs just wanna say hello and Yeah. 00:09:43.630 --> 00:09:44.190 Go away. 00:09:44.190 --> 00:09:44.670 You know? 00:09:44.670 --> 00:09:44.910 Yeah. 00:09:44.910 --> 00:09:48.750 So I think that I love the the the the color because it, like, really 00:09:48.750 --> 00:09:50.210 communicates it from a distance. 00:09:50.675 --> 00:09:50.755 Sarah: Yeah. 00:09:50.755 --> 00:09:55.395 It's the most visible color, um, is the human eye yellow as well. 00:09:55.395 --> 00:09:56.115 So yeah. 00:09:56.115 --> 00:09:56.615 Also. 00:09:56.915 --> 00:09:59.635 But we sell sweatshirts as well. 00:09:59.635 --> 00:10:05.200 So If I go shopping, um, I can put my sweatshirt on, which has got 00:10:05.200 --> 00:10:08.320 dogs in yellow need space, you know, and the amount of people around 00:10:08.320 --> 00:10:11.285 the supermarket that have dogs. 00:10:11.345 --> 00:10:12.625 It's just a great way. 00:10:12.625 --> 00:10:15.925 You know, you don't necessarily have to wear it dog walking. 00:10:15.985 --> 00:10:19.765 You can wear it out to the pub, to the cafe, you know, shopping. 00:10:20.030 --> 00:10:21.810 It just really helps with awareness. 00:10:22.430 --> 00:10:24.050 Anke: Well, that's like you are educating. 00:10:24.190 --> 00:10:27.150 Like, by you wearing it, you educate other people. 00:10:27.150 --> 00:10:27.390 You know? 00:10:27.390 --> 00:10:29.935 Because it's like people with dogs without dogs. 00:10:29.935 --> 00:10:35.235 It's like, it doesn't work unless other people are educated to know what it means. 00:10:35.695 --> 00:10:36.195 Sarah: Yeah. 00:10:36.335 --> 00:10:40.850 So we we have, um, a Facebook group, And I've got Facebook page, and 00:10:40.850 --> 00:10:43.910 there's about 10000 people on both. 00:10:44.210 --> 00:10:47.750 And people that use d yellow, we call ourselves the yellow army. 00:10:48.145 --> 00:10:48.645 Oh. 00:10:49.825 --> 00:10:52.485 And we go out there to educate others. 00:10:52.625 --> 00:10:53.505 So yeah. 00:10:53.505 --> 00:10:57.960 So it sort of ties in with because everybody needs to Do a bit for 00:10:57.960 --> 00:10:59.960 their in their own area, you see. 00:10:59.960 --> 00:11:00.440 Yeah. 00:11:00.440 --> 00:11:00.920 Anke: Love that. 00:11:00.920 --> 00:11:01.560 I love that. 00:11:01.560 --> 00:11:02.940 So what's your experience? 00:11:03.160 --> 00:11:10.135 Do you think, um, in your experience, If a dog wears yellow, let's say 00:11:10.135 --> 00:11:13.895 it, is that tends to does it tend to be, like, a temporary thing? 00:11:13.895 --> 00:11:18.040 Like, while they are being kind of train or maybe when they 00:11:18.040 --> 00:11:19.980 have space, they can relax. 00:11:20.120 --> 00:11:22.920 Is this kinda temporary or is, like, once you're a yellow dog, 00:11:22.920 --> 00:11:24.025 you're always gonna yellow dog. 00:11:24.025 --> 00:11:25.005 Sarah: What's your experience? 00:11:25.065 --> 00:11:25.805 It depends. 00:11:25.865 --> 00:11:30.985 Some dogs have different issues and and things like that. 00:11:30.985 --> 00:11:35.600 Some people have used the yellow, and And then their dog has gained confidence. 00:11:36.060 --> 00:11:36.560 Me? 00:11:36.620 --> 00:11:38.400 I've used it for 10 years nonstop. 00:11:39.260 --> 00:11:44.015 And in fact, last summer, I forgot my lead when we went to a friend's house. 00:11:44.015 --> 00:11:45.875 My husband put Bella in the car. 00:11:46.415 --> 00:11:50.275 When we were walking around the town, I used her lead, which was normal. 00:11:50.415 --> 00:11:54.180 I felt So vulnerable because Bella looked like a normal dog. 00:11:54.180 --> 00:11:56.840 Now Bella, you get fight or flight. 00:11:57.220 --> 00:12:02.555 So Bella is not the sort of dog that really cowards down or hides 00:12:02.555 --> 00:12:04.735 behind me, she will just launch. 00:12:05.035 --> 00:12:08.635 She will snap at someone or growl at someone or she doesn't 00:12:08.635 --> 00:12:12.480 always Every dog, it depends. 00:12:13.180 --> 00:12:16.300 But so she can so she can be quite scary. 00:12:16.300 --> 00:12:18.560 She looks very pretty, but she can be quite scary. 00:12:19.285 --> 00:12:22.965 So, obviously, for me, it was really difficult when she first started showing 00:12:22.965 --> 00:12:27.625 those signs, um, because someone could say if if I wasn't paying attention, 00:12:28.880 --> 00:12:30.720 She's bitten me because it sounds like it. 00:12:30.720 --> 00:12:31.380 She doesn't. 00:12:31.680 --> 00:12:35.840 But, um, so, for Bella, she's always in her yellow. 00:12:35.840 --> 00:12:39.685 It makes me feel better, Um, and I think as well, when I 00:12:39.685 --> 00:12:41.545 feel better, she feels better. 00:12:42.005 --> 00:12:42.245 Anke: Yeah. 00:12:42.245 --> 00:12:45.445 I was just thinking there is quite a strong connection there as well. 00:12:45.445 --> 00:12:50.470 Like, when you're more relaxed, Then then you don't pass any stress onto her either. 00:12:50.470 --> 00:12:54.150 So it's it it makes it easier for her to kind of you know, I think 00:12:54.150 --> 00:12:55.985 it's a double whammy for her. 00:12:56.145 --> 00:12:59.185 You're more calm, and other people stay away. 00:12:59.185 --> 00:13:02.085 So she gets in space, and she has you more relaxed. 00:13:02.145 --> 00:13:05.870 So that makes it That makes life easier for her for sure. 00:13:05.870 --> 00:13:06.370 Yeah. 00:13:06.510 --> 00:13:07.010 Sarah: Yeah. 00:13:07.070 --> 00:13:07.550 Sure. 00:13:07.550 --> 00:13:08.190 So yeah. 00:13:08.190 --> 00:13:12.205 So the mixture of the 2 I mean, she's never forgotten Happened in a lifetime. 00:13:13.145 --> 00:13:14.765 So she doesn't forget anything. 00:13:15.145 --> 00:13:16.825 Um, and, uh, yeah. 00:13:16.825 --> 00:13:18.125 So she picks and choose. 00:13:18.340 --> 00:13:20.760 She can walk with other dogs if she knows them. 00:13:20.820 --> 00:13:24.520 She can be in the house with other dogs if she knows them. 00:13:24.900 --> 00:13:29.595 She will tell them But she doesn't wanna play or have anything to do with them 00:13:29.595 --> 00:13:31.755 initially, so we I have to manage that. 00:13:31.755 --> 00:13:35.775 But, generally, she will then be fine. 00:13:36.780 --> 00:13:37.100 Anke: Yeah. 00:13:37.100 --> 00:13:40.960 Leo was like Leo had just like he liked he liked girl dogs. 00:13:41.420 --> 00:13:42.380 The bigger, the better. 00:13:42.380 --> 00:13:47.175 Like, he always like, it was just male dogs In confined spaces, you know, so 00:13:47.175 --> 00:13:50.775 where there wasn't anywhere to go because you'd be fine on the beach, for example. 00:13:50.775 --> 00:13:51.255 Yeah. 00:13:51.255 --> 00:13:51.655 You know? 00:13:51.655 --> 00:13:53.950 But it's that same thing, like, launched as well. 00:13:53.950 --> 00:13:54.990 Like, he wouldn't hide. 00:13:54.990 --> 00:13:56.050 Sarah: He just Yeah. 00:13:56.270 --> 00:13:56.990 He just launched. 00:13:56.990 --> 00:13:57.230 Yeah. 00:13:57.230 --> 00:14:00.955 And it does sound scary, but then that's how dogs Communicate. 00:14:01.095 --> 00:14:04.475 And that's why I hate when people say your dog's aggressive. 00:14:04.535 --> 00:14:04.775 No. 00:14:04.775 --> 00:14:06.395 That's how a dog communicates. 00:14:07.255 --> 00:14:08.555 We see that wrongly. 00:14:08.775 --> 00:14:09.355 You know? 00:14:09.575 --> 00:14:13.800 It's like She's just telling the dog, the person, dog off. 00:14:13.860 --> 00:14:14.420 You know? 00:14:14.420 --> 00:14:15.380 That that's it. 00:14:15.380 --> 00:14:18.500 That's how they talk and communicate, and she's gone up to 00:14:18.500 --> 00:14:20.615 a level where she's Now swearing. 00:14:23.955 --> 00:14:24.515 Anke: I love it. 00:14:24.515 --> 00:14:24.755 Love it. 00:14:24.755 --> 00:14:25.575 Love it. 00:14:26.115 --> 00:14:28.950 Sarah: But I I just compare it to, You know, like, when we have 00:14:28.950 --> 00:14:30.990 a row with our other half or Yeah. 00:14:31.190 --> 00:14:35.670 Whoever, you know, we get to the point where we shout like a dog like our dogs 00:14:35.670 --> 00:14:38.635 will, But not very many actually punch. 00:14:39.335 --> 00:14:39.575 You know? 00:14:39.575 --> 00:14:42.855 And that's where the the different level I would say is, you know, 00:14:42.855 --> 00:14:46.370 you do get an aggressive dog that then go on Dubai, obviously. 00:14:46.990 --> 00:14:50.450 But, generally, the majority of them, they're just communicating. 00:14:50.670 --> 00:14:53.730 They're just shouting like we do when we get frustrated. 00:14:54.675 --> 00:14:54.835 Anke: Yeah. 00:14:54.835 --> 00:14:56.835 And I think it's the same as we do. 00:14:56.835 --> 00:15:01.760 It's it's they will communicate more subtly way before that. 00:15:01.760 --> 00:15:05.040 It's just that people usually don't react to it. 00:15:05.040 --> 00:15:05.440 Right? 00:15:05.440 --> 00:15:05.680 No. 00:15:05.680 --> 00:15:08.180 And don't notice it and don't pay attention. 00:15:08.775 --> 00:15:11.415 And so, well, if you don't understand it the nice way, then 00:15:11.415 --> 00:15:12.615 I'm just gonna have to tell you some 00:15:12.615 --> 00:15:13.015 Sarah: other way. 00:15:13.015 --> 00:15:13.515 Yeah. 00:15:13.575 --> 00:15:15.895 The amount of people that say, but she's wagging her tail. 00:15:15.895 --> 00:15:16.120 Yeah. 00:15:16.280 --> 00:15:18.060 But it's really slow and low. 00:15:18.360 --> 00:15:18.520 Yeah. 00:15:18.520 --> 00:15:19.900 It's not happy work. 00:15:20.920 --> 00:15:21.160 Anke: No. 00:15:21.160 --> 00:15:21.960 I mean, that's the thing. 00:15:21.960 --> 00:15:26.695 I think that misinterpreting The the suckle science and, you know, like 00:15:26.695 --> 00:15:29.575 like, with me interviewing people, like, you know, like, oh, boy. 00:15:29.575 --> 00:15:30.635 I've learned a lot. 00:15:30.935 --> 00:15:34.260 So it's not like, you know, how they are, and sometimes even just, 00:15:34.260 --> 00:15:38.100 like, the reactive reaction the direction of where an ear points. 00:15:38.100 --> 00:15:43.215 And, like, there's so many things that That they use to communicate, and and 00:15:43.215 --> 00:15:48.230 we don't, like, we don't react to it, well, they're just have to yell louder. 00:15:48.230 --> 00:15:48.730 Right? 00:15:48.790 --> 00:15:49.110 Sarah: No. 00:15:49.110 --> 00:15:52.630 I I never knew it when I first got her as a puppy, and I I'm that 00:15:52.630 --> 00:15:57.035 person that said, oh, I've had dogs all my life, but But I never knew. 00:15:57.415 --> 00:15:57.895 Anke: Yeah. 00:15:57.895 --> 00:15:58.135 Yeah. 00:15:58.135 --> 00:15:58.955 I love it. 00:15:59.015 --> 00:16:02.615 So where can people, uh, go find out more about you? 00:16:02.615 --> 00:16:08.200 If somebody wants a yellow harness, vest, leash, Where can they go and and get 00:16:08.200 --> 00:16:08.700 Sarah: that? 00:16:09.000 --> 00:16:13.500 So my website is, um, my anxious dog dot co dot u k. 00:16:14.175 --> 00:16:16.915 Um, I've got a Facebook page as well, which is MyAnxiousDog. 00:16:17.855 --> 00:16:21.075 Um, and we're also on Instagram as well, MyAnxiousDog. 00:16:21.535 --> 00:16:23.560 So we're all under My anxious dog. 00:16:23.560 --> 00:16:25.880 So if you just Google it, I'm sure you'll find 00:16:25.880 --> 00:16:26.380 Anke: us. 00:16:26.440 --> 00:16:29.080 And we'll also put I mean, we're not gonna make it that half of people 00:16:29.080 --> 00:16:34.055 are gonna just pop the links right right underneath or below, Below? 00:16:34.055 --> 00:16:34.455 Above? 00:16:34.455 --> 00:16:37.255 Well, anyway, just around wherever people are watching it. 00:16:37.255 --> 00:16:39.275 If it's on the podcast, it's in the show notes. 00:16:39.335 --> 00:16:41.210 So definitely, uh, Check it out. 00:16:41.210 --> 00:16:45.210 Do you ship internationally so if somebody from the States, uh, is listening? 00:16:45.210 --> 00:16:47.210 So you do ship internationally as 00:16:47.210 --> 00:16:47.610 well? 00:16:47.610 --> 00:16:47.850 Sarah: Yeah. 00:16:47.850 --> 00:16:52.265 I've done from I've done loads in America, Canada, to New Zealand, 00:16:52.265 --> 00:16:54.025 to Australia, all over Europe. 00:16:54.025 --> 00:16:54.525 Yeah. 00:16:54.825 --> 00:16:58.430 It's definitely dogs in yellow is definitely Spreading. 00:16:59.050 --> 00:16:59.290 Yeah. 00:16:59.290 --> 00:17:00.110 I love it. 00:17:00.410 --> 00:17:03.130 Anke: Because I think, you know, we all and our dogs 00:17:03.130 --> 00:17:04.430 need a bit of space sometimes. 00:17:04.945 --> 00:17:05.265 Yeah. 00:17:05.265 --> 00:17:05.765 Sarah: Absolutely. 00:17:05.905 --> 00:17:06.885 So do people. 00:17:07.345 --> 00:17:07.585 Yeah. 00:17:07.585 --> 00:17:07.865 Exactly. 00:17:08.145 --> 00:17:08.705 Our 4 00:17:08.705 --> 00:17:09.205 Anke: dogs. 00:17:10.785 --> 00:17:11.585 Well, thank you. 00:17:11.585 --> 00:17:12.645 Thank you so much. 00:17:13.025 --> 00:17:17.410 Uh, so I literally I'm delighted to be able to, you know, 00:17:17.410 --> 00:17:19.410 help spread the yellow word. 00:17:19.410 --> 00:17:19.990 The word. 00:17:20.930 --> 00:17:23.170 So thanks for coming and, um, and 00:17:23.170 --> 00:17:23.670 Sarah: sharing. 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