WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:00.550 --> 00:00:01.150 bobby_hoyt: are we talking about? 00:00:01.150 --> 00:00:03.160 Track 1: Well, Robert, wh what was your question? 00:00:03.596 --> 00:00:08.106 robert: Oh, um, my question was how often do you all cry? 00:00:08.606 --> 00:00:09.446 Track 1: There you go. 00:00:09.781 --> 00:00:10.451 robert: between 00:00:11.411 --> 00:00:16.163 tears, like shedding one gangster tear versus a full on sa and don't say never. 00:00:16.858 --> 00:00:18.988 bobby_hoyt: I haven't done a, I don't know the last time I've 00:00:18.988 --> 00:00:22.188 done a full on, so that's been years, and I'm pretty sure that 00:00:22.238 --> 00:00:22.728 Okay. 00:00:23.198 --> 00:00:25.628 decided not to do that in my adult life or something. 00:00:25.628 --> 00:00:25.948 I don't know. 00:00:25.948 --> 00:00:27.828 I, I don't have any reasons why that would happen. 00:00:28.518 --> 00:00:28.868 Um, 00:00:29.668 --> 00:00:34.761 do notice though, um, after my wife gave birth to our son. 00:00:35.011 --> 00:00:38.541 , movies hit different than they used to because I didn't realize how much 00:00:38.541 --> 00:00:41.981 movies pull on, like, the parent heartstrings of like, you know, 00:00:41.981 --> 00:00:43.181 something happens to the child. 00:00:43.181 --> 00:00:47.141 And like, movies are way more emotionally powerful to me than 00:00:47.141 --> 00:00:48.181 they used to be before I had a kid. 00:00:48.251 --> 00:00:49.181 I don't know why. 00:00:49.291 --> 00:00:51.221 I mean, I just didn't notice all that stuff. 00:00:51.221 --> 00:00:51.421 And 00:00:52.221 --> 00:00:54.581 something and like, they use it a lot in like almost every movie 00:00:55.221 --> 00:00:58.461 a kid dying or something terrible happening and. 00:00:59.616 --> 00:01:02.196 And then just, they play on that fear a lot, so I, I 00:01:03.096 --> 00:01:03.636 you know? 00:01:04.136 --> 00:01:08.416 Track 1: Yeah, I would agree that without going , too many levels deep 00:01:08.416 --> 00:01:13.523 here, that the most recent times I've cried have been because of a movie or 00:01:13.523 --> 00:01:18.023 show . Movies and TV shows can make me tear up again as a sort of new parent. 00:01:18.903 --> 00:01:21.343 anytime there's a kid and they lose a kid like that, oh man, 00:01:21.343 --> 00:01:22.263 there's something about that that. 00:01:23.063 --> 00:01:26.803 But I have a, you know, I kind of know where to go in my Spotify 00:01:27.123 --> 00:01:28.483 playlist if I want a good cry. 00:01:29.423 --> 00:01:32.123 And, , you know, there's some songs that will like not make me tear up. 00:01:32.123 --> 00:01:35.919 I will kinda like be, be shedding tears, bawling in my car, 00:01:35.919 --> 00:01:37.079 listening to certain songs. 00:01:37.389 --> 00:01:39.159 I won't be telling you , what any of those songs are. 00:01:39.159 --> 00:01:42.679 But, uh, that happens every 3, 4, 5 months. 00:01:42.699 --> 00:01:43.279 I'd probably. 00:01:43.340 --> 00:01:44.926 ariel_gardner: I, yeah, , I just, I cried like maybe. 00:01:46.476 --> 00:01:46.916 a quarter. 00:01:46.976 --> 00:01:47.836 How about that? 00:01:47.976 --> 00:01:52.276 And like, uh, whenever I don't feel good, I'll just cry cause I don't feel good. 00:01:53.076 --> 00:01:53.476 and dad 00:01:53.671 --> 00:01:55.971 Track 1: You just told us you cried every single day because of 00:01:55.971 --> 00:01:57.691 the abuse you get on this team. 00:01:57.846 --> 00:01:58.606 bobby_hoyt: we're talking 00:01:58.716 --> 00:01:59.546 ariel_gardner: Oh, that's right. 00:01:59.546 --> 00:01:59.826 Shoot. 00:01:59.826 --> 00:02:01.946 I mean, every day, every day is when I cry. 00:02:01.946 --> 00:02:02.946 Monday through Friday. 00:02:02.946 --> 00:02:04.036 Working days. 00:02:04.131 --> 00:02:04.621 bobby_hoyt: Yeah, 00:02:05.581 --> 00:02:05.941 mean. 00:02:05.956 --> 00:02:06.876 ariel_gardner: like a Monday holiday. 00:02:07.021 --> 00:02:08.581 bobby_hoyt: I'm so mean to Ariel. 00:02:08.641 --> 00:02:12.421 I'm such a terrible boss and just angry and everything that she cries 00:02:12.421 --> 00:02:13.941 every day, which it is what it is. 00:02:14.551 --> 00:02:18.221 No, um, yeah, and Michael made me tear up, but I think he teared up too. 00:02:18.221 --> 00:02:19.741 But we were both drunk, so 00:02:20.001 --> 00:02:20.011 Track 1: Yeah, 00:02:21.466 --> 00:02:23.686 bobby_hoyt: and it was like way, way, way too. 00:02:23.736 --> 00:02:27.177 It was like four in the morning or something and we had Maybe polished 00:02:27.177 --> 00:02:28.697 off like an entire bottle of whiskey. 00:02:29.507 --> 00:02:31.937 Uh, and we started talking, it was about kids. 00:02:31.937 --> 00:02:34.137 He said something about my kid and I just, I teared up, man. 00:02:34.137 --> 00:02:34.563 I remember 00:02:34.563 --> 00:02:35.693 Track 1: I don't even remember this. 00:02:35.893 --> 00:02:36.253 bobby_hoyt: Well, I 00:02:36.313 --> 00:02:37.283 robert: That's hilarious. 00:02:37.773 --> 00:02:39.333 bobby_hoyt: why I was a little hesitant to even talk about this. 00:02:39.333 --> 00:02:43.973 But, uh, Michael and I have, we do these like retreats and what I've learned 00:02:43.973 --> 00:02:48.946 is have to stop buying whiskey and stick to beer and wine if we're gonna 00:02:49.026 --> 00:02:51.396 Track 1: I think we, I think we need to get like little mini bottles, 00:02:51.396 --> 00:02:53.076 like three a piece or something. 00:02:53.076 --> 00:02:55.116 That way the rest of the bottle's not sitting there. 00:02:55.116 --> 00:02:56.196 Cause what's happened? 00:02:56.256 --> 00:02:58.618 It's like our last night we're like, well, who's gonna take this whiskey home? 00:02:58.618 --> 00:02:59.618 We gotta finish it now. 00:02:59.618 --> 00:02:59.858 But 00:02:59.948 --> 00:03:00.658 bobby_hoyt: we did that. 00:03:00.928 --> 00:03:02.328 Yeah, we always argue and 00:03:03.168 --> 00:03:03.808 yeah, it gets ugly, 00:03:03.858 --> 00:03:04.827 Track 1: All right, Robert, what about 00:03:04.870 --> 00:03:05.715 robert: Like every day. 00:03:06.490 --> 00:03:13.220 I would say I probably have one proper cry every 18 months and 00:03:13.370 --> 00:03:13.790 Track 1: Wow. 00:03:13.790 --> 00:03:14.535 That's spread out. 00:03:14.599 --> 00:03:18.929 robert: yeah, I don't, I don't like have a full on SOB very often. 00:03:19.676 --> 00:03:26.151 and I will, I'll tear up at something probably like once every two to three. 00:03:26.743 --> 00:03:30.933 my cryp tonight though, for that is the YouTube videos of like a 00:03:30.933 --> 00:03:32.573 soldier coming back and surprising 00:03:32.598 --> 00:03:33.508 Track 1: Oh man, 00:03:33.678 --> 00:03:34.508 ariel_gardner: Oh yeah. 00:03:34.563 --> 00:03:35.813 robert: that I don't know why 00:03:36.573 --> 00:03:37.133 those 00:03:37.358 --> 00:03:37.918 ariel_gardner: Uhhuh. 00:03:38.173 --> 00:03:38.733 robert: get me. 00:03:39.113 --> 00:03:48.813 And then the weird thing that always gets me is like videos of people like finishing 00:03:49.213 --> 00:03:50.973 marathons or like ultramarathons. 00:03:51.643 --> 00:03:55.173 I have no idea why, but I'm always just. 00:03:55.963 --> 00:04:01.243 So, so proud of the accomplishment that they have made that like, it, 00:04:01.243 --> 00:04:03.923 it, I like get actually choked up. 00:04:04.643 --> 00:04:05.243 so weird. 00:04:05.805 --> 00:04:06.125 bobby_hoyt: That's 00:04:07.020 --> 00:04:07.984 Have you done one of those? 00:04:07.984 --> 00:04:08.744 Is that why? 00:04:08.744 --> 00:04:11.784 Is it like something where you have, or are you just. 00:04:12.579 --> 00:04:13.509 Seeing somebody 00:04:14.229 --> 00:04:14.589 all it takes. 00:04:15.494 --> 00:04:19.304 robert: I honestly, okay, so I've done like a half marathon before. 00:04:19.749 --> 00:04:22.369 And it just, I don't know exactly what it is. 00:04:22.369 --> 00:04:25.649 It feels to me it's like a triumph of the human spirit, you know what I mean? 00:04:25.649 --> 00:04:29.769 Of like, Hey, you used to be, you know, you couldn't even run 00:04:29.769 --> 00:04:31.769 a mile and, and look at you now. 00:04:31.769 --> 00:04:35.769 You just ran 26.2 of 'em and your family's there supporting you. 00:04:36.569 --> 00:04:39.889 don't know, I just, I think I know like how hard they had 00:04:39.889 --> 00:04:41.689 to work to accomplish that. 00:04:41.689 --> 00:04:42.929 Maybe that's why it gets me. 00:04:43.039 --> 00:04:43.489 I don't. 00:04:44.014 --> 00:04:44.434 Track 1: Wow. 00:04:45.039 --> 00:04:48.509 ariel_gardner: Uh, you know, what also gets me besides, , the soldiers coming 00:04:48.509 --> 00:04:55.149 home, videos, any kind of like ceremony, like a, a graduation, anybody being 00:04:55.149 --> 00:05:01.309 like inducted into anything like a Boy scout court of honor, like any type 00:05:01.309 --> 00:05:05.429 of formal ceremony where like somebody has presented something or like an 00:05:05.429 --> 00:05:08.469 award and I could like, have no clue. 00:05:09.059 --> 00:05:12.749 I, I could be strangers with everybody there, but I will cry. 00:05:13.414 --> 00:05:15.164 It just like, I'm so proud. 00:05:16.025 --> 00:05:16.675 robert: That one. 00:05:16.675 --> 00:05:18.795 Yeah, that one doesn't get me as much. 00:05:19.040 --> 00:05:19.400 bobby_hoyt: one's. 00:05:19.560 --> 00:05:19.910 ariel_gardner: no. 00:05:20.030 --> 00:05:20.520 bobby_hoyt: Yeah. 00:05:20.520 --> 00:05:24.327 I don't know if I've Ariel loves everybody though. 00:05:24.367 --> 00:05:25.327 Cares about everybody. 00:05:25.337 --> 00:05:26.147 ariel_gardner: Yeah, I do. 00:05:26.147 --> 00:05:27.227 I am really proud of everyone. 00:05:27.503 --> 00:05:30.323 Track 1: Now we know, , where to pull in each other's heartstrings. 00:05:30.323 --> 00:05:33.483 Bobby, you seem like you're gonna be the hardest to crack , I guess. 00:05:33.563 --> 00:05:35.613 bobby_hoyt: I don't, well, I mean, I've thought about like, 00:05:35.613 --> 00:05:36.533 is there something wrong with me? 00:05:36.533 --> 00:05:40.173 I don't cry, like I don't cry a lot, but unless somebody like passes 00:05:40.173 --> 00:05:44.373 away, but like I've never, even as a kid, I didn't like cry a lot, so 00:05:44.373 --> 00:05:47.933 I don't know, maybe I could just be totally dead on the inside, you know? 00:05:48.293 --> 00:05:49.133 Maybe that's 00:05:49.143 --> 00:05:50.813 ariel_gardner: My husband, he's not a crier. 00:05:51.933 --> 00:05:52.653 only seen him cry. 00:05:52.653 --> 00:05:57.293 We've been married for like 18 years I've only seen him cry once. 00:05:57.758 --> 00:05:58.178 Track 1: Wow. 00:05:58.273 --> 00:06:03.033 ariel_gardner: it was, yeah, one time and it was when we had taken a road trip 00:06:03.133 --> 00:06:08.433 out to the northwest and we drove like a 1980 Volkswagen van again out there, 00:06:09.433 --> 00:06:13.713 it broke down on the way back in Salt Lake City and we had to leave it there. 00:06:15.043 --> 00:06:19.743 And we had to rent a car and like left the, the van again in like the 00:06:20.113 --> 00:06:23.023 parking lot of a, a repair shop. 00:06:23.683 --> 00:06:27.543 And as we're pulling out in this like little like Toyota Corolla or 00:06:27.543 --> 00:06:29.743 something, he just started like sobbing. 00:06:30.113 --> 00:06:30.463 He 00:06:30.568 --> 00:06:33.388 Track 1: The only time your husband has cried in the marriage is 00:06:33.388 --> 00:06:35.548 because you left a broken down car. 00:06:36.793 --> 00:06:37.283 ariel_gardner: Yeah, 00:06:37.378 --> 00:06:37.868 Track 1: Okie. 00:06:38.203 --> 00:06:41.083 ariel_gardner: it was like he thought that, like he, I think it 00:06:41.083 --> 00:06:44.123 was because he had put so much work into like getting it ready for the 00:06:44.123 --> 00:06:45.723 trip and then it like didn't work. 00:06:45.823 --> 00:06:46.363 You know? 00:06:46.363 --> 00:06:48.523 Like he had failed us as 00:06:49.463 --> 00:06:50.003 you know? 00:06:50.158 --> 00:06:50.508 robert: Oh, 00:06:51.138 --> 00:06:51.748 that's, 00:06:51.848 --> 00:06:54.488 Track 1: feel like if we we keep talking, we're gonna have to have a budget for a 00:06:54.688 --> 00:06:56.928 psychologist to come in and help our team. 00:07:08.215 --> 00:07:08.415 Guys. 00:07:08.415 --> 00:07:11.452 Today on the podcast we've got Bobby, our fearless leader. 00:07:11.452 --> 00:07:13.452 We've got Ariel head of content. 00:07:13.572 --> 00:07:18.092 We've got Robert, our email marketing guy, and this is Michael, director of 00:07:18.092 --> 00:07:19.252 Operations here at Millennial Money Man. 00:07:19.452 --> 00:07:21.092 Wanna get straight into it today. 00:07:21.834 --> 00:07:21.954 it. 00:07:21.954 --> 00:07:23.314 The questionable decision this week. 00:07:23.474 --> 00:07:24.964 , I've got a pretty good one here. 00:07:25.214 --> 00:07:30.817 So, , Our dear leader, Bobby tried to save money on his computer 00:07:30.817 --> 00:07:33.434 monitor, uh, , but now he hates it. 00:07:33.434 --> 00:07:34.954 He constantly complains about it. 00:07:34.954 --> 00:07:39.777 It's not fully functional and , it's, it creates like a lot of, um,, stress 00:07:39.777 --> 00:07:41.577 and anxiety for us as his team. 00:07:42.187 --> 00:07:46.057 So the question is, was that a questionable decision? 00:07:46.107 --> 00:07:47.617 So, Bobby, you wanna start us off? 00:07:47.917 --> 00:07:48.337 bobby_hoyt: You 00:07:48.477 --> 00:07:50.127 Track 1: Fill in, fill in the details for us. 00:07:50.327 --> 00:07:52.857 bobby_hoyt: that you recommended this monitor to me. 00:07:53.477 --> 00:07:58.127 Track 1: Well, Well, you left out a key component, which is we all agreed 00:07:58.127 --> 00:08:01.407 that the more expensive monitor would've been better, but you were, you 00:08:01.407 --> 00:08:02.687 weren't quite ready to make the leap 00:08:02.802 --> 00:08:03.002 bobby_hoyt: time. 00:08:03.002 --> 00:08:03.282 Okay. 00:08:03.282 --> 00:08:03.962 At the time, 00:08:04.527 --> 00:08:05.277 Track 1: to buy it. 00:08:05.482 --> 00:08:06.762 bobby_hoyt: so I have a lot of Apple stuff. 00:08:06.792 --> 00:08:11.362 I, I think that Apple is great, but I have been pissed off at Apple lately cuz every 00:08:11.522 --> 00:08:14.242 freaking phone that comes out is exactly the same as the last phone with the slide 00:08:14.792 --> 00:08:18.082 Like, everything that they're doing isn't, I don't think it's great anymore. 00:08:18.082 --> 00:08:20.442 I think that they're just, they've figured out that people just keep buying the stuff 00:08:20.442 --> 00:08:24.882 and they're stupid, which myself included, but, so I, I've been upset about. 00:08:25.877 --> 00:08:29.857 And then I needed a new monitor because I, I decided to go from the 00:08:29.857 --> 00:08:31.897 iMac to like a, just a monitor setup. 00:08:31.897 --> 00:08:35.977 And the new iMac hadn't come out yet, so I was like looking at the monitors 00:08:35.977 --> 00:08:37.697 and it was $2,000 for a monitor. 00:08:37.697 --> 00:08:41.637 And I was like, this feels like robbery. 00:08:41.637 --> 00:08:45.437 Like I, I'm tired of getting like screwed by this company over and over 00:08:45.437 --> 00:08:46.997 again, and I'm gonna buy this thing. 00:08:46.997 --> 00:08:48.037 And it's just like a glorified. 00:08:49.047 --> 00:08:50.007 I could find for cheaper. 00:08:50.007 --> 00:08:52.207 So then you were like, well you should get the Samsung inmate. 00:08:53.207 --> 00:08:53.567 a great thing. 00:08:53.567 --> 00:08:54.887 And you hadn't, and one 00:08:55.092 --> 00:08:55.622 Track 1: I don't know. 00:08:55.622 --> 00:08:56.542 That's a great thing. 00:08:56.727 --> 00:08:56.927 bobby_hoyt: it. 00:08:57.107 --> 00:08:59.207 You owned a previous model of it. 00:08:59.207 --> 00:09:02.807 And I, and I trusted you because I was like, you know, Michael's a smart guy and 00:09:03.447 --> 00:09:04.367 know, I brought him into my company. 00:09:04.367 --> 00:09:08.207 I trust him, I believe in him and he's gonna steer me in the right 00:09:08.207 --> 00:09:09.167 direction cuz he is also very. 00:09:10.282 --> 00:09:12.482 so then I buy the thing and it doesn't freaking work. 00:09:12.482 --> 00:09:18.362 Like it's a, it's a garbage piece of, , machinery that like, has all these issues. 00:09:18.362 --> 00:09:22.722 And then I went from being like a relatively decently okay person 00:09:22.722 --> 00:09:24.042 with tech to now I'm just an idiot. 00:09:24.102 --> 00:09:27.962 And so now I'm just, every time I log into a meeting or nothing works and 00:09:27.962 --> 00:09:29.202 everybody's sitting there waiting on me. 00:09:29.202 --> 00:09:32.432 So, I'm mad at myself for not just spending the money on it. 00:09:32.432 --> 00:09:35.112 And next time I won't make that mistake, but I also am gonna do it 00:09:35.112 --> 00:09:37.237 because, I'm gonna do it begrudgingly 00:09:37.287 --> 00:09:41.164 robert: You really, I feel like you've been having a tough time with tech lately. 00:09:41.394 --> 00:09:43.604 I mean, you, the, the monitor, 00:09:43.864 --> 00:09:45.924 the microphone, the camera. 00:09:46.184 --> 00:09:46.654 bobby_hoyt: The problem 00:09:46.654 --> 00:09:48.464 robert: When did about, roughly, 00:09:50.204 --> 00:09:50.814 bobby_hoyt: that's 00:09:50.894 --> 00:09:52.054 ariel_gardner: you think it's cuz you're getting older? 00:09:52.784 --> 00:09:53.134 bobby_hoyt: Um, 00:09:53.734 --> 00:09:53.894 do. 00:09:54.059 --> 00:09:54.859 ariel_gardner: thirties, you 00:09:54.859 --> 00:09:55.299 Track 1: Let's pivot. 00:09:55.539 --> 00:09:56.579 Let's pivot here. 00:09:56.784 --> 00:09:57.894 bobby_hoyt: No, I do think it's that too. 00:09:57.894 --> 00:10:01.734 I've actually like been very aware lately, like one of the big pushes 00:10:01.734 --> 00:10:02.974 that we're making as a team. 00:10:02.974 --> 00:10:04.854 And by the way, Robert's on this podcast, nobody even 00:10:05.254 --> 00:10:05.374 him. 00:10:05.374 --> 00:10:07.174 Like everybody's against it, introducing people 00:10:07.259 --> 00:10:08.829 robert: That's not necessary. 00:10:09.504 --> 00:10:15.414 bobby_hoyt: Um, but I, I've very quickly, I started this business in 2015. 00:10:15.814 --> 00:10:16.814 And it was a blog. 00:10:17.194 --> 00:10:21.174 And in the, the span of time that I've done that, like it's, I've become 00:10:21.174 --> 00:10:22.854 like a dinosaur, like very quickly. 00:10:23.734 --> 00:10:26.174 and that's how fast the tech stuff moving and like, especially with like 00:10:26.174 --> 00:10:29.214 TikTok and Instagram and all those things, like, we're gonna be doing 00:10:29.214 --> 00:10:31.974 all of that now and I think there's still a lot of opportunity to do that. 00:10:31.974 --> 00:10:36.814 But man, it, yes, I do feel old, like very fast like it's really, 00:10:37.004 --> 00:10:39.494 it's really like I, we've gotta stay. 00:10:39.494 --> 00:10:40.334 One of my big things. 00:10:40.799 --> 00:10:43.289 Moving forward and like think I'm gonna put pressure on everybody 00:10:43.289 --> 00:10:47.089 on the team to do is like, we have to stay up on like whatever's new. 00:10:47.089 --> 00:10:49.569 Like we just have to, I haven't done a bad job of that, so 00:10:49.849 --> 00:10:52.779 Track 1: Well, I hope we can make enough money to hire people that can do that 00:10:52.779 --> 00:10:54.499 better, because I feel it as well. 00:10:54.639 --> 00:10:58.739 I'm, I'm almost 30, and you'd think, oh, well, you know, if you just 00:10:58.739 --> 00:11:02.299 keep your eyes on what's going on, you can kind of understand what's 00:11:02.299 --> 00:11:03.419 going on with TikTok and all that. 00:11:03.419 --> 00:11:05.619 But, oh my gosh, these kids. 00:11:06.089 --> 00:11:06.329 bobby_hoyt: fast. 00:11:06.694 --> 00:11:10.614 Track 1: like, they are just like living in their own universe with how they use 00:11:10.614 --> 00:11:12.947 these things like TikTok and Snapchat. 00:11:12.967 --> 00:11:16.147 And they have just like, they know how to make money off of it and they know how 00:11:16.147 --> 00:11:20.607 to like, manipulate it for advertising and it's a lot to keep up with for sure. 00:11:20.607 --> 00:11:24.197 I said the other day, I've, I finally feel empathy for like, , generations 00:11:24.197 --> 00:11:27.477 ahead of me that can't keep up with the technology that I know about 00:11:27.967 --> 00:11:30.077 because I'm, I'm feeling it myself. 00:11:30.767 --> 00:11:33.597 ariel_gardner: As the oldest person on this podcast, I am almost 40, 00:11:33.777 --> 00:11:37.157 and I feel this very deeply, and I think it's when you have kids, 00:11:37.157 --> 00:11:38.837 they like suck your ability. 00:11:39.778 --> 00:11:44.048 to, to stay up to date on things like they occupy that space in your brain. 00:11:44.378 --> 00:11:47.048 So Robert is the child free person here. 00:11:47.048 --> 00:11:52.008 Like if you wanna stay up to date on the happenings, you have to not have children 00:11:52.968 --> 00:11:55.568 robert: you would, I would think it would be the opposite, whereas 00:11:55.568 --> 00:11:59.288 you would kind of like through osmosis, be up to date on things. 00:11:59.708 --> 00:12:00.198 bobby_hoyt: yeah. 00:12:00.288 --> 00:12:03.138 ariel_gardner: well, I mean, you like know some stuff, but 00:12:03.288 --> 00:12:04.328 robert: not talking about you, Bobby. 00:12:04.378 --> 00:12:06.618 ariel_gardner: like know about things, but like you don't know how to. 00:12:07.678 --> 00:12:11.078 you know what TikTok is, but you don't know how to TikTok 00:12:11.468 --> 00:12:13.548 bobby_hoyt: is that just, are we just guessing, like Robert, do you feel 00:12:13.548 --> 00:12:15.548 like you aren't keeping up with things 00:12:15.818 --> 00:12:18.098 robert: So I've been thinking about this as we've been talking 00:12:18.098 --> 00:12:21.895 about it, and here's what I think my problem is, is that I. 00:12:22.232 --> 00:12:25.522 I think I'm more up to date than I actually am, right? 00:12:25.522 --> 00:12:30.802 It's like I feel young and hip, but anytime I find myself around 00:12:30.802 --> 00:12:34.642 someone who is, you know, 20 to 24 00:12:35.512 --> 00:12:37.562 I feel like a dinosaur. 00:12:38.245 --> 00:12:40.115 So I think I just have a misconception 00:12:40.685 --> 00:12:42.415 my own, hip. 00:12:43.269 --> 00:12:43.759 bobby_hoyt: Yeah. 00:12:43.759 --> 00:12:44.999 I, I can't, it's hard to keep 00:12:45.129 --> 00:12:45.979 ariel_gardner: That's fun, 00:12:46.359 --> 00:12:48.359 bobby_hoyt: like totally separate from like the technology thing. 00:12:48.359 --> 00:12:50.679 But I've always wondered about that, like when you see somebody that's 00:12:50.679 --> 00:12:53.789 older, like they can't, they're fumbling around with their phone and they 00:12:53.789 --> 00:12:55.029 need help with their phone and stuff. 00:12:55.219 --> 00:12:59.646 I've never felt that way before until more recently where I'm like, I don't 00:12:59.646 --> 00:13:00.766 know how to use things sometimes. 00:13:00.766 --> 00:13:02.086 And I'm like, Michael, how do I do this? 00:13:02.086 --> 00:13:04.806 And I can tell Michael's like, oh God, this guy's driving me nuts. 00:13:04.806 --> 00:13:06.206 Where like, only a few years apart. 00:13:06.206 --> 00:13:07.446 But I'm like, there it, it is. 00:13:08.146 --> 00:13:09.046 And I have too many. 00:13:09.456 --> 00:13:10.496 Different tech things 00:13:11.336 --> 00:13:12.256 I think that's part of the problem too. 00:13:12.256 --> 00:13:12.856 But it all 00:13:12.976 --> 00:13:13.926 ariel_gardner: Nothing, nothing. 00:13:14.176 --> 00:13:17.416 bobby_hoyt: me by giving me a bad recommendation for a thing that he 00:13:17.416 --> 00:13:19.736 didn't even buy, and I just trust him a little bit too much too soon. 00:13:19.736 --> 00:13:22.306 robert: Here's add to this actually. 00:13:23.036 --> 00:13:26.186 Um, I think the, the difference between the 00:13:26.866 --> 00:13:32.466 as I understand it, the price difference was pretty large, when you think about 00:13:32.466 --> 00:13:36.066 something that you're gonna be using for, for work every day, you, you 00:13:36.066 --> 00:13:37.586 know, our whole business plan, right. 00:13:37.966 --> 00:13:39.866 You, you have to be able. 00:13:39.976 --> 00:13:40.466 Yeah. 00:13:40.536 --> 00:13:41.026 Yeah. 00:13:41.026 --> 00:13:41.866 Would you like to? 00:13:41.866 --> 00:13:42.226 Yeah. 00:13:42.226 --> 00:13:43.066 Would you like to share? 00:13:43.106 --> 00:13:43.596 bobby_hoyt: yeah. 00:13:43.626 --> 00:13:44.276 Track 1: Hold on. 00:13:44.276 --> 00:13:45.276 This is proprietary. 00:13:45.276 --> 00:13:46.876 Like I may have to bleep this out. 00:13:46.876 --> 00:13:48.516 If you tell people what our business plan is. 00:13:48.881 --> 00:13:50.191 robert: Is it okay for me to share it? 00:13:50.191 --> 00:13:51.471 Or Bobby, do you wanna be the one who 00:13:51.646 --> 00:13:52.276 Track 1: Oh gosh. 00:13:52.276 --> 00:13:52.556 Right. 00:13:52.646 --> 00:13:52.766 bobby_hoyt: it 00:13:52.831 --> 00:13:53.751 robert: for the first time ever? 00:13:53.806 --> 00:13:54.166 bobby_hoyt: with this. 00:13:54.296 --> 00:13:55.006 No, it took 00:13:55.646 --> 00:13:56.606 with this, but I'm ready to share 00:13:56.860 --> 00:13:57.350 robert: Okay. 00:13:57.520 --> 00:13:57.840 Track 1: right guys. 00:13:57.860 --> 00:13:58.520 Pay attention, 00:13:58.890 --> 00:14:00.310 robert: let the people know what it is. 00:14:00.380 --> 00:14:01.510 Well, hang on, hang on. 00:14:01.510 --> 00:14:02.710 How can we preface this? 00:14:02.970 --> 00:14:04.590 How can we add a little more hype to this? 00:14:04.590 --> 00:14:09.710 This is the business plan you've developed after, earning boatloads 00:14:09.950 --> 00:14:12.190 of money online over the past. 00:14:12.720 --> 00:14:13.160 , what. 00:14:14.190 --> 00:14:17.350 Eight years took you a really long time to arrive at this. 00:14:17.540 --> 00:14:18.790 A lot of blood, sweat, and tears. 00:14:19.690 --> 00:14:20.180 Okay. 00:14:20.215 --> 00:14:21.595 bobby_hoyt: Not tears as much, but 00:14:21.955 --> 00:14:22.315 Blood, 00:14:22.530 --> 00:14:23.150 robert: Not tears. 00:14:23.150 --> 00:14:23.470 We, 00:14:24.230 --> 00:14:24.670 Of course. 00:14:24.750 --> 00:14:25.750 Blood and sweat. 00:14:26.115 --> 00:14:26.605 bobby_hoyt: Yeah. 00:14:26.755 --> 00:14:27.173 yeah. 00:14:27.213 --> 00:14:27.733 Yeah, no, the 00:14:28.133 --> 00:14:30.293 is, and I tell this to the team very seriously. 00:14:30.733 --> 00:14:35.990 We're gonna make money with the website week, then next week we're 00:14:35.990 --> 00:14:37.150 gonna make money with the website. 00:14:37.210 --> 00:14:39.710 And then the week after that we're also gonna make money with the website. 00:14:39.710 --> 00:14:44.211 And what we need to do is just continue to do that single week until 00:14:44.486 --> 00:14:47.526 we're making a lot of money with the website all the time, every. 00:14:48.017 --> 00:14:48.437 robert: and 00:14:48.687 --> 00:14:49.367 Track 1: the, on the. 00:14:50.072 --> 00:14:50.232 ariel_gardner: strategy. 00:14:50.617 --> 00:14:51.107 robert: yeah. 00:14:51.322 --> 00:14:52.642 bobby_hoyt: it's a, it's a long game too. 00:14:52.642 --> 00:14:53.562 You just have to follow 00:14:54.482 --> 00:14:55.482 every single day. 00:14:55.811 --> 00:15:00.311 robert: And, and so my point is just that, you know, if, if that's our strategy, you 00:15:00.311 --> 00:15:04.631 would think that the tool that's gonna allow you to access the website, it's 00:15:04.631 --> 00:15:06.391 worth spending a few extra dollars on. 00:15:06.851 --> 00:15:09.551 Track 1: The place you see the internet where we make all of our money. 00:15:10.246 --> 00:15:10.976 bobby_hoyt: Well, okay. 00:15:11.676 --> 00:15:13.786 To be fair, this isn't, this isn't 00:15:14.226 --> 00:15:14.466 either. 00:15:14.466 --> 00:15:15.706 This isn't an $800 monitor. 00:15:15.706 --> 00:15:18.266 Like I didn't, when I bought it, I wasn't sitting there going like, oh, 00:15:18.266 --> 00:15:19.746 this is like a cheap piece of crap. 00:15:20.466 --> 00:15:21.666 Which is a little strong. 00:15:21.666 --> 00:15:26.186 I don't think it's that, but I, what I didn't what I, what I didn't 00:15:26.186 --> 00:15:27.941 see coming, I didn't see the. 00:15:28.911 --> 00:15:31.651 The problem is, is just the, like when I plug it into the computer, 00:15:31.651 --> 00:15:32.691 it doesn't work all the time. 00:15:32.691 --> 00:15:35.531 Like it's just, there's a, I think that the seamless integration 00:15:35.531 --> 00:15:36.931 with an Apple product, so like, 00:15:37.031 --> 00:15:38.401 I just don't, I just don't like it. 00:15:38.401 --> 00:15:39.441 But I don't know. 00:15:39.441 --> 00:15:40.001 I think it was, 00:15:41.011 --> 00:15:44.971 this and, and not go with my gut of just spending more money and getting 00:15:45.006 --> 00:15:48.496 Track 1: Well, and where, where I think it all comes down to if you had spent 00:15:48.496 --> 00:15:52.763 less money on some other gadget, you know, okay, you, , you, you made a decision. 00:15:52.763 --> 00:15:57.243 But I do think you, you run two internet companies, you have an office 00:15:57.243 --> 00:16:03.003 with like four pieces of essential equipment, kind of feels like you 00:16:03.003 --> 00:16:04.203 should tend towards the premium. 00:16:04.308 --> 00:16:06.508 bobby_hoyt: don't know why you're talking down to me when you suggested this monitor 00:16:07.308 --> 00:16:10.838 Track 1: Well, I didn't seig, I, I , I, I, 00:16:11.623 --> 00:16:14.693 robert: It kind of feels like you shouldn't have done what I said, 00:16:14.868 --> 00:16:17.108 bobby_hoyt: Yeah, I feel like, I feel like 00:16:17.403 --> 00:16:18.663 robert: You should have known better 00:16:18.738 --> 00:16:21.028 bobby_hoyt: you're talking about it like you're not involved in it. 00:16:21.028 --> 00:16:24.268 Like you were very much involved with this like 00:16:24.768 --> 00:16:28.378 Track 1: I tried, I tried to offer you like some alternative when I 00:16:28.378 --> 00:16:29.498 knew you weren't willing to take. 00:16:30.018 --> 00:16:32.098 Maybe I should just push you into your convictions. 00:16:32.408 --> 00:16:33.038 bobby_hoyt: No, you 00:16:33.558 --> 00:16:34.438 about this monitor too, 00:16:34.523 --> 00:16:36.393 Track 1: No, the and, and the, well, 00:16:36.478 --> 00:16:36.838 bobby_hoyt: do you think? 00:16:36.838 --> 00:16:38.158 Like, I'm thinking about getting one too. 00:16:38.158 --> 00:16:38.758 This is great. 00:16:38.888 --> 00:16:39.238 So 00:16:39.513 --> 00:16:41.763 Track 1: well, and, and so the little bit of background is 00:16:41.763 --> 00:16:43.883 I bought my wife the M seven. 00:16:44.563 --> 00:16:45.723 , I would never buy it for myself. 00:16:46.803 --> 00:16:47.483 . not getting that from me. 00:16:47.483 --> 00:16:49.963 But, uh, uh, I bought my wife the M seven. 00:16:49.963 --> 00:16:51.323 It's a, it's a big size. 00:16:51.403 --> 00:16:55.056 Uh, , it, it's, you know, the quality's good enough. 00:16:55.706 --> 00:16:59.136 Um, so I, I thought that that was good. 00:16:59.136 --> 00:17:02.411 And then the inmate form factor, I felt was very nice 00:17:02.411 --> 00:17:03.651 and I think it does look good. 00:17:04.041 --> 00:17:05.571 I think you would agree about that. 00:17:05.571 --> 00:17:06.891 It's a good looking device. 00:17:07.666 --> 00:17:07.986 bobby_hoyt: mean, yeah. 00:17:08.246 --> 00:17:09.676 Track 1: so I, I mean, I guess I'm sorry. 00:17:09.676 --> 00:17:12.316 I do think it was a questionable decision and, uh, in the future I'll 00:17:12.316 --> 00:17:13.996 push you to just spend more money. 00:17:14.221 --> 00:17:14.581 bobby_hoyt: I'm glad. 00:17:15.541 --> 00:17:17.941 you advise me on things that they, they're questionable, 00:17:18.333 --> 00:17:23.023 robert: I love that response to someone doing what you suggest to them though. 00:17:23.023 --> 00:17:25.303 Like if it doesn't work out, like, well, you should have known 00:17:25.303 --> 00:17:26.343 better than to listen to me. 00:17:27.023 --> 00:17:27.753 bobby_hoyt: Yeah, I 00:17:27.763 --> 00:17:28.203 robert: think that's great. 00:17:28.863 --> 00:17:29.753 bobby_hoyt: I think it's great. 00:17:30.143 --> 00:17:35.273 I don't know if that technically is gaslighting, but it's It's 00:17:35.468 --> 00:17:36.708 robert: gonna keep that in my back pocket. 00:17:37.053 --> 00:17:38.033 bobby_hoyt: You should, yeah. 00:17:38.033 --> 00:17:42.413 All right, so this next segment is called Get the Guru, but I believe we're 00:17:42.413 --> 00:17:46.573 just gonna be talking crap about gurus at some from different industries or 00:17:46.603 --> 00:17:49.263 ariel_gardner: Well, the, , premise for the segment is that there's a 00:17:49.263 --> 00:17:54.326 lot of guru advice out there now with social media and bloggers. 00:17:54.326 --> 00:17:59.246 Even podcast hosts will all be gurus at some point offering advice, but 00:17:59.356 --> 00:18:02.686 that we have to sort of like take some of it with a grain of salt. 00:18:02.926 --> 00:18:03.416 bobby_hoyt: Yeah. 00:18:03.486 --> 00:18:03.976 Okay. 00:18:04.156 --> 00:18:06.596 ariel_gardner: least question what they're putting out into the world. 00:18:06.796 --> 00:18:07.286 bobby_hoyt: Yeah. 00:18:07.396 --> 00:18:07.886 Okay. 00:18:07.886 --> 00:18:08.206 Yeah. 00:18:08.666 --> 00:18:10.873 Track 1: And, and this one particular, I think you're gonna have to put a 00:18:10.873 --> 00:18:12.426 lot of salt to make it palatable. 00:18:13.406 --> 00:18:14.536 ariel_gardner: some onions, maybe. 00:18:14.996 --> 00:18:18.066 bobby_hoyt: so if, you know, speaking of TikTok and Instagram and all the 00:18:18.066 --> 00:18:21.963 things that, that I'm not great at, but we will be great at, , if you've 00:18:21.963 --> 00:18:25.763 been on TikTok or Instagram at all, you've probably seen this absolutely 00:18:25.793 --> 00:18:29.163 jacked, ridiculous looking guy that walks around without a shirt on ever. 00:18:29.493 --> 00:18:31.683 Uh, huge beard, like just looks. 00:18:32.653 --> 00:18:35.943 Pretty like he hasn't taken a shower because I don't think he takes showers 00:18:36.403 --> 00:18:37.823 and I can't, I'm not sure on that. 00:18:37.823 --> 00:18:39.023 But Liver king, right? 00:18:39.023 --> 00:18:41.783 So Liver King blew up over the last probably year and a half, 00:18:41.783 --> 00:18:45.903 two years, and uh, it's got millions of followers like just. 00:18:47.188 --> 00:18:47.268 Whatever. 00:18:47.268 --> 00:18:50.348 He's this guy that's like a health guy or like ancestral living guy. 00:18:50.348 --> 00:18:53.628 Like, everything is like primal and like he's, he's trying to teach people 00:18:53.628 --> 00:18:57.214 to like live by these nine ancestral tenants, , which we'll talk about, 00:18:57.214 --> 00:19:01.774 but like basically everybody has been accusing him of being on steroids for. 00:19:03.099 --> 00:19:05.499 because he clearly looks like he's on steroids. 00:19:05.499 --> 00:19:09.179 Like if anybody looks like a person that takes steroids, he is it. 00:19:09.239 --> 00:19:11.459 And he, he is sworn that he didn't do it. 00:19:11.459 --> 00:19:15.139 It's all because these nine tenets of ancestral living that he does, he works 00:19:15.139 --> 00:19:16.419 out a lot and all that kind of stuff. 00:19:16.789 --> 00:19:19.779 Um, he had these very like politician like answers. 00:19:19.779 --> 00:19:22.739 Every time somebody would ask him if he was on steroids, he was very 00:19:22.739 --> 00:19:26.579 good at just kind of like, just avoiding the question completely. 00:19:27.079 --> 00:19:29.619 And so it came out the other day on Twitter. 00:19:30.029 --> 00:19:33.539 Uh, somebody dropped one of the emails that he, I guess, had sent to a trainer 00:19:33.549 --> 00:19:38.739 or some, some person that he had worked with where he listed out all of the 00:19:38.739 --> 00:19:40.099 things that he's been taking for years. 00:19:40.099 --> 00:19:44.499 So like whole thing is, is just a fraud, right? 00:19:44.499 --> 00:19:47.259 And like they, but so that's what this came from. 00:19:47.259 --> 00:19:48.099 We were talking about it. 00:19:48.099 --> 00:19:49.779 Robert didn't wanna talk about this for some reason. 00:19:49.799 --> 00:19:51.259 I'm not totally sure why. 00:19:51.580 --> 00:19:52.000 But 00:19:52.840 --> 00:19:55.600 to do with marketers and, and this guy was marketing himself, right? 00:19:55.600 --> 00:19:58.160 Like he was, he was a marketer for his company. 00:19:58.160 --> 00:20:01.640 He makes supposedly a hundred million a year from his supplement companies. 00:20:01.860 --> 00:20:04.880 And he was selling these supplements based on this ancestral living thing. 00:20:04.880 --> 00:20:06.280 But really he was just doing steroids. 00:20:06.280 --> 00:20:08.760 So like the way that he did, I wouldn't say just doing steroids, 00:20:08.760 --> 00:20:09.480 that's probably not fair. 00:20:09.500 --> 00:20:13.360 But he, I mean, I'm sure he works hard, but like he was selling something that 00:20:13.360 --> 00:20:14.920 he was not actually doing at scale 00:20:15.890 --> 00:20:16.380 Track 1: Yeah. 00:20:16.380 --> 00:20:16.740 And 00:20:17.045 --> 00:20:17.285 bobby_hoyt: that, 00:20:17.420 --> 00:20:17.840 Track 1: you? 00:20:18.510 --> 00:20:19.000 Well, 00:20:19.285 --> 00:20:19.405 bobby_hoyt: that? 00:20:19.405 --> 00:20:19.765 Okay. 00:20:19.765 --> 00:20:20.565 Is that not okay? 00:20:20.565 --> 00:20:23.045 I mean, if you help people, you know, that's where I kind of go with it. 00:20:23.045 --> 00:20:23.168 But 00:20:23.239 --> 00:20:23.729 Track 1: yeah. 00:20:23.729 --> 00:20:24.889 It's called lying. 00:20:25.794 --> 00:20:26.284 bobby_hoyt: yeah, 00:20:26.519 --> 00:20:27.629 Track 1: He, he's a liar, 00:20:28.084 --> 00:20:28.804 bobby_hoyt: That's fair. 00:20:29.079 --> 00:20:30.949 Track 1: so that's not okay. 00:20:31.359 --> 00:20:35.389 Uh, I've seen like a lot of apologi over the past, you know, week or so, 00:20:35.389 --> 00:20:38.989 or however many days since that's come out, and there's just no way around it. 00:20:38.989 --> 00:20:40.349 It's not marketing, it's lying. 00:20:40.919 --> 00:20:42.389 Uh, you know, I don't know where you're gonna. 00:20:43.029 --> 00:20:47.959 What your thought was on this, Robert, but, uh, I think people like this deserve 00:20:47.959 --> 00:20:51.999 to crash, burn, and never, you know, you know, just live and squalor for those 00:20:51.999 --> 00:20:53.559 lives because they're lying to people. 00:20:54.169 --> 00:20:58.799 Um, I mean, this is no different than selling some, you know, water pill, you 00:20:58.799 --> 00:20:59.999 know, that's gonna change your life. 00:21:00.529 --> 00:21:04.614 Um, So I don't, I don't have a whole lot of love for the Liberty King. 00:21:04.704 --> 00:21:08.414 Uh, I think that, uh, there's obviously some good things about, you know, 00:21:08.604 --> 00:21:12.534 some of his teachings, but I think when you make money make a hundred 00:21:12.534 --> 00:21:14.774 million a year, which let's, let's all, 00:21:15.043 --> 00:21:15.693 bobby_hoyt: I don't think he 00:21:15.708 --> 00:21:18.908 Track 1: let's all, let's all take that with a grain of salt, you know, uh, as 00:21:18.908 --> 00:21:23.148 we know he's a liar, so there's a good chance he's not making that much money. 00:21:23.448 --> 00:21:28.307 I think it's, it's squirmy and, and nasty and, I imagine he does smell bad. 00:21:28.457 --> 00:21:32.467 bobby_hoyt: Well, that he smells bad probably because he doesn't use deodorant. 00:21:32.467 --> 00:21:37.427 He's like very against the, uh, I guess there's, uh, aluminum in deodorants or 00:21:37.452 --> 00:21:37.942 robert: Yeah, 00:21:38.082 --> 00:21:38.692 ariel_gardner: Mm-hmm. 00:21:39.177 --> 00:21:39.667 bobby_hoyt: that. 00:21:40.027 --> 00:21:41.517 Track 1: Robert, do you use deodorant? 00:21:42.062 --> 00:21:42.412 robert: no, 00:21:43.107 --> 00:21:43.717 Track 1: I don't either. 00:21:43.972 --> 00:21:44.732 robert: I use a crystal, 00:21:45.597 --> 00:21:47.237 Track 1: Errol, do you use deodorant? 00:21:49.217 --> 00:21:49.707 Okay. 00:21:49.707 --> 00:21:50.427 Right, right. 00:21:50.427 --> 00:21:51.067 Just just wonder. 00:21:51.137 --> 00:21:51.627 Yeah. 00:21:51.627 --> 00:21:51.827 Yeah. 00:21:51.827 --> 00:21:52.467 Those don't work. 00:21:52.467 --> 00:21:53.507 So you don't wear Theodor, 00:21:53.512 --> 00:21:56.992 ariel_gardner: like baking powder, you know, baking soda, not baking powder, 00:21:57.923 --> 00:22:00.723 Track 1: Bobby, I'm guessing you just straight up where Deodorant. 00:22:01.143 --> 00:22:01.383 bobby_hoyt: I 00:22:01.543 --> 00:22:02.033 Track 1: Yeah. 00:22:02.033 --> 00:22:02.313 Okay. 00:22:02.313 --> 00:22:02.553 All right. 00:22:02.553 --> 00:22:02.793 Cool. 00:22:02.953 --> 00:22:04.633 robert: 48 hour interperate, 00:22:05.513 --> 00:22:05.863 bobby_hoyt: uh, 00:22:06.133 --> 00:22:06.833 robert: I'm guessing. 00:22:06.863 --> 00:22:08.383 bobby_hoyt: think so, yeah, I don't 00:22:08.873 --> 00:22:09.273 robert: good stuff. 00:22:09.623 --> 00:22:10.303 bobby_hoyt: whatever it works. 00:22:10.533 --> 00:22:14.423 I mean, it's, I don't smell like garbage, I don't think, and I 00:22:14.423 --> 00:22:16.223 don't know if my wife says it smells good, so I'm cool with that. 00:22:16.423 --> 00:22:19.063 I don't care, uh, his whole thing that like, okay. 00:22:19.063 --> 00:22:21.223 My question about it, and this is where Ariel and I, when we were kind 00:22:21.223 --> 00:22:24.951 of planning this, What if when you're doing something like he was doing where 00:22:24.951 --> 00:22:29.111 he was basically at a very, very basic level was telling people to eat better 00:22:29.891 --> 00:22:35.991 and to work out a lot and get enough sleep, do cold plunges, like the things 00:22:35.991 --> 00:22:37.631 that he talks about are all good things? 00:22:38.261 --> 00:22:39.671 I, well, I don't know if they're all good things. 00:22:39.671 --> 00:22:42.031 I mean, he talks about like eating raw liver and, and all 00:22:42.031 --> 00:22:43.991 organs and all that kind of stuff, and that's like his big shtick. 00:22:43.991 --> 00:22:47.351 Like he eats a ton of the stuff on camera and it's really gross, but. 00:22:47.841 --> 00:22:54.021 If the net benefit of him lying about this is actually helping a 00:22:54.021 --> 00:22:56.981 lot of people, because I'm sure he is probably helped a ton of people 00:22:57.041 --> 00:22:58.581 cuz he is got a big fan base. 00:22:58.971 --> 00:23:05.095 Like what's, how do you like, if it's a net positive, like, is it really that bad? 00:23:05.405 --> 00:23:09.455 Like yes, he's lying in this, that's bad, but is he only lying because 00:23:09.455 --> 00:23:11.535 he thought nobody would take him seriously if he wasn't ripped? 00:23:11.872 --> 00:23:14.262 robert: So I've been, I've been following this. 00:23:14.514 --> 00:23:15.414 bobby_hoyt: You have been okay. 00:23:15.444 --> 00:23:17.734 robert: I've been, I've been following, yes, 00:23:18.574 --> 00:23:18.994 yes, 00:23:19.004 --> 00:23:20.764 ariel_gardner: Please before you guys go into anything, 00:23:21.684 --> 00:23:24.524 of the, of the Liver King before we started talking about this. 00:23:24.824 --> 00:23:29.844 And he is like the kind of person I would see online and just like have a, an 00:23:29.844 --> 00:23:32.204 immediate like, visceral reaction to like, 00:23:32.394 --> 00:23:32.984 bobby_hoyt: Oh, not 00:23:33.204 --> 00:23:35.124 ariel_gardner: of wanna make like vomit a 00:23:35.194 --> 00:23:37.914 Track 1: Describe, describe more of what, what a person like that is for you. 00:23:38.954 --> 00:23:44.004 ariel_gardner: Just so like the cordy muscles and the, uh, I don't know. 00:23:44.124 --> 00:23:45.124 bobby_hoyt: the, yeah, all the stuff. 00:23:45.124 --> 00:23:45.524 Yeah. 00:23:45.659 --> 00:23:48.349 ariel_gardner: Yeah, that's, it's, it's just too much for me. 00:23:48.349 --> 00:23:49.469 Like it looks unnatural. 00:23:49.539 --> 00:23:53.429 Like it's unnatural this day and age, I think, to look like that 00:23:53.624 --> 00:23:55.214 Track 1: As it turns out, it is unnatural. 00:23:55.544 --> 00:23:56.034 bobby_hoyt: Yeah. 00:23:56.329 --> 00:23:56.809 ariel_gardner: Exactly. 00:23:57.589 --> 00:24:03.969 But I did like look up his tenets and even as much as I like, think this guy 00:24:04.059 --> 00:24:08.569 is probably full of shit, think that, I mean, he, like you said, Bobby, like. 00:24:09.644 --> 00:24:14.764 kind of preach some decent things like you need to sleep, you need to eat 00:24:14.764 --> 00:24:16.924 healthy foods, you need to get in the sun. 00:24:16.984 --> 00:24:20.204 You need to get cold. 00:24:20.354 --> 00:24:21.564 I, I mean, I don't know that. 00:24:22.359 --> 00:24:25.809 Have think that that's like a 10 that you should follow, but like, I, I 00:24:25.809 --> 00:24:31.569 don't know, like I think he is probably helping some people live a, a healthier 00:24:31.569 --> 00:24:34.969 life than they're used to and like yeah, there maybe is some benefit to 00:24:34.969 --> 00:24:36.689 doing that if you're lying about it. 00:24:36.689 --> 00:24:41.049 It's kind of shady if you're saying that like, I look the way I look and I'm this 00:24:41.249 --> 00:24:47.329 way cause I've only done those things, but the, the idea of this like half truth 00:24:47.369 --> 00:24:49.809 maybe like is there some benefit to. 00:24:50.194 --> 00:24:50.544 bobby_hoyt: if 00:24:50.714 --> 00:24:52.644 Track 1: Well, I have strong feelings on this. 00:24:52.864 --> 00:24:55.984 bobby_hoyt: might have, I, Robert seems to know more about 00:24:55.984 --> 00:24:56.984 all of this than any of us. 00:24:57.454 --> 00:25:00.904 I don't know if you can reach people at scale the way that he 00:25:00.904 --> 00:25:04.184 did with that kind of a health message without looking like that. 00:25:04.214 --> 00:25:07.104 Like, I don't know if you can't, like, I don't know if that's 00:25:07.104 --> 00:25:08.224 something you have to do to. 00:25:09.394 --> 00:25:11.554 days, like on the internet, you have to look like that. 00:25:11.554 --> 00:25:13.594 And the only way to look like that is to do steroids. 00:25:13.824 --> 00:25:15.095 Like, I don't know. 00:25:15.095 --> 00:25:17.935 But that seems to me like that's probably where this came from, 00:25:17.935 --> 00:25:19.775 where he was like, I work out a lot. 00:25:20.165 --> 00:25:22.895 A lot of men like deal with this, where they work out a lot and they start 00:25:22.895 --> 00:25:25.415 to get older and they can't get the same kind of physique that they want. 00:25:25.525 --> 00:25:27.135 He's got a brand about healthy living. 00:25:27.135 --> 00:25:30.815 He was struggling with it, so he started taking all the stuff and then he didn't. 00:25:31.240 --> 00:25:32.080 Caught is why? 00:25:32.080 --> 00:25:34.200 Cause his business depended on him looking a certain way. 00:25:34.200 --> 00:25:35.680 And so then he is got all these mouths to feed. 00:25:35.680 --> 00:25:37.720 Like I could see it snowballing that way. 00:25:37.900 --> 00:25:41.520 And not just him going, I'm gonna lie to people like, but that's just me 00:25:41.520 --> 00:25:44.160 thinking maybe that there's a, he's a better person than he maybe is. 00:25:44.160 --> 00:25:44.320 I. 00:25:44.645 --> 00:25:48.335 robert: Yeah, so I've been following all of this stuff. 00:25:49.500 --> 00:25:52.340 religiously over the past week, but I think it's all super interesting. 00:25:52.630 --> 00:25:57.140 Um, and like the way that I, I guess first started actually paying 00:25:57.140 --> 00:26:00.460 attention to Liver King stuff was like I, me and a friend were having 00:26:00.460 --> 00:26:03.060 a conversation about him and we were like, do you think he's on steroids? 00:26:03.550 --> 00:26:07.500 Um, and so then after that I went and just like checked out his stuff on Instagram. 00:26:07.640 --> 00:26:10.700 And I think it's all like really interesting, right? 00:26:10.700 --> 00:26:12.300 Like the non ancestral tenants. 00:26:12.785 --> 00:26:13.445 All four. 00:26:13.555 --> 00:26:14.445 I love that stuff. 00:26:14.445 --> 00:26:15.845 I love a good cold plunge. 00:26:15.845 --> 00:26:17.125 I love walking around barefoot. 00:26:17.125 --> 00:26:18.205 I love being in the sun. 00:26:18.855 --> 00:26:24.725 Um, and so if you watch, so he put out an apology video about this, and I don't 00:26:24.725 --> 00:26:29.605 know if you guys have seen that or not, but he basically, he makes the point that 00:26:29.605 --> 00:26:33.965 you're saying Bobby, where it's like, you know, I thought that if I talked about 00:26:33.965 --> 00:26:35.885 this, it would detract from the message. 00:26:36.025 --> 00:26:38.083 And so I think like I, I. 00:26:39.078 --> 00:26:43.978 The challenge that most people have with it is this idea of you look this way, 00:26:43.978 --> 00:26:46.098 you're applying that it's all natural. 00:26:46.438 --> 00:26:49.818 You sell these supplements, you talk about these supplements in 00:26:50.078 --> 00:26:54.378 all of your like Instagram stories and stuff, and so you are profiting 00:26:54.638 --> 00:26:56.898 off of this falsehood, right? 00:26:56.898 --> 00:26:59.818 And so I think that's the challenge people have. 00:27:00.598 --> 00:27:05.608 I think the decision that was made somewhere along the line, cause like 00:27:05.608 --> 00:27:09.488 he had the goal, if you look at the, the entire email thread, he was like, 00:27:09.488 --> 00:27:14.848 I wanna reach a million followers by March, 2021 or, or whenever it was. 00:27:14.848 --> 00:27:15.208 Right. 00:27:15.208 --> 00:27:18.848 He knew exactly what he wanted to do and so I think it was just a 00:27:18.848 --> 00:27:24.078 calculation of like, I'm gonna be able to reach more people if I, you 00:27:24.078 --> 00:27:28.638 know, look this way, do these types of videos, this is how I'm gonna go viral. 00:27:29.258 --> 00:27:33.678 And I saw somebody on, in a Facebook group the other day mention like, 00:27:33.678 --> 00:27:36.758 there at least had to be some sort of calculation of like, okay. 00:27:37.448 --> 00:27:42.238 If it comes out that I'm on steroids, what's the net benefit versus the 00:27:42.238 --> 00:27:46.398 net loss and how am I going to handle that from a PR perspective? 00:27:47.048 --> 00:27:53.278 So I think there was like some conscious choice in all of it of like, need to 00:27:53.278 --> 00:27:58.066 do this to blow up and if worst case scenario, here's how I'm gonna address it. 00:27:58.354 --> 00:28:00.724 Track 1: I think you give a lot of credit to people like that. 00:28:00.774 --> 00:28:05.103 Um, I, I mean, I think regardless of, I, I mean this comes down 00:28:05.103 --> 00:28:06.383 to utilitarianism, right? 00:28:06.383 --> 00:28:07.563 Like does the outcome. 00:28:08.383 --> 00:28:10.023 Justify the means. 00:28:10.963 --> 00:28:15.583 And I think that right and wrong is not based off of what it accomplishes. 00:28:15.853 --> 00:28:20.663 I don't think that the Liver King owned the nine ancestral, uh, tenant, you 00:28:20.663 --> 00:28:21.943 know, and they're not really that novel. 00:28:21.943 --> 00:28:25.983 There's plenty of people that talk about, um, those tenants better than he does or 00:28:25.983 --> 00:28:27.743 in more depth than actually help people. 00:28:27.993 --> 00:28:32.623 So I think you have someone here who through some combination of social 00:28:32.623 --> 00:28:39.640 media prowess and shock and awe, That shock and awe to not just try and teach 00:28:39.640 --> 00:28:41.280 people he was selling products, right? 00:28:41.280 --> 00:28:43.480 There's plenty of people who want to teach people and there's plenty of 00:28:43.480 --> 00:28:47.400 people who are natural and, and do that, but it's okay to, if you wanna 00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:48.760 be on steroids, okay, that's fine. 00:28:48.760 --> 00:28:51.200 But to lie about it and then to sell products behind it, I mean, 00:28:51.470 --> 00:28:54.760 what there, that isn't just, that's not justified in my opinion. 00:28:55.044 --> 00:28:55.334 bobby_hoyt: I 00:28:55.359 --> 00:28:56.429 Track 1: so I don't know. 00:28:56.494 --> 00:28:57.534 bobby_hoyt: the right thing that he did. 00:28:57.534 --> 00:28:57.894 I just. 00:28:58.699 --> 00:28:59.189 I don't know. 00:28:59.189 --> 00:29:02.389 I would like to know more about like how, how that all like, yeah, he had 00:29:02.389 --> 00:29:06.109 goals and stuff, but I think you see this a lot with the internet now. 00:29:06.109 --> 00:29:10.309 It's like people have to do, they feel like they have to do certain things to 00:29:10.509 --> 00:29:14.069 maintain their business or to grow their business and they're things that like you 00:29:14.069 --> 00:29:16.749 wouldn't wanna do, like people get plastic surgery and like all sorts of stuff. 00:29:16.979 --> 00:29:20.829 Like, and I, and I think that, I don't know, I wonder if how many 00:29:20.829 --> 00:29:22.149 people get trapped in that versus. 00:29:23.014 --> 00:29:25.104 I, I actually don't really care that he did steroids. 00:29:25.104 --> 00:29:26.584 I think it's bad that he lied about it. 00:29:26.584 --> 00:29:29.304 I think it would've been smarter for him to just say, yeah, I do, I do steroids 00:29:29.304 --> 00:29:30.224 in addition to all these other things. 00:29:30.224 --> 00:29:31.384 And that's why it looked like this. 00:29:31.384 --> 00:29:34.584 If you don't wanna look quite like this, but you still wanna look close to this, 00:29:34.584 --> 00:29:35.584 then you can do these other things. 00:29:35.584 --> 00:29:36.944 I think that would've been smarter. 00:29:37.364 --> 00:29:38.504 But I don't know. 00:29:38.504 --> 00:29:42.264 I, I have a feeling that he probably, a lot of people get trapped in this stuff 00:29:42.264 --> 00:29:45.144 instead of just like plotting it out and trying to be like an evil mastermind. 00:29:45.144 --> 00:29:48.904 So I, I give him some, maybe some grace without knowing him at all. 00:29:49.434 --> 00:29:49.784 He 00:29:49.869 --> 00:29:51.479 robert: Yeah, so I think like, 00:29:51.514 --> 00:29:51.674 ariel_gardner: little. 00:29:52.174 --> 00:29:57.664 I think there is maybe more of a trend recently to having like 00:29:57.664 --> 00:30:00.744 influencers kind of be a little bit more transparent about what goes 00:30:00.894 --> 00:30:03.184 into who they are in their identity. 00:30:03.204 --> 00:30:08.074 And I, I think that's something that we're seeing because we, because of 00:30:08.074 --> 00:30:12.394 people like Liver King or you know, somebody who's had plastic surgery that's 00:30:12.474 --> 00:30:15.954 promoting some like diet, type trend. 00:30:16.684 --> 00:30:21.359 Um, And, and, and I think it's smart when those influencers do it. 00:30:21.359 --> 00:30:25.119 And like, as a customer, I would rather buy something from somebody 00:30:25.119 --> 00:30:29.199 who is just completely honest and, and says like, listen, this is, 00:30:29.649 --> 00:30:31.639 uh, you know, this is who I am. 00:30:31.639 --> 00:30:36.199 This is what I've done to, to look a certain way or to to be the person I 00:30:36.199 --> 00:30:41.509 am that that's in front of you, I mean, I'm not gonna buy anything from the 00:30:41.509 --> 00:30:47.749 liver king ever, but I, I would be more willing to do that if they, if there 00:30:47.749 --> 00:30:49.949 is that honesty and openness up front. 00:30:49.949 --> 00:30:52.429 And I think that you're seeing more of that because there is that 00:30:52.429 --> 00:30:57.029 realization, like I think the, the whole, uh, influencers on a pedestal 00:30:57.029 --> 00:31:00.429 thing has kind of started to crumble a little bit and grateful for that. 00:31:00.479 --> 00:31:00.829 So. 00:31:01.149 --> 00:31:01.269 bobby_hoyt: I 00:31:01.369 --> 00:31:05.958 robert: Yeah, I think I was listening to, um, Joe Rogan had a podcast the other day 00:31:05.958 --> 00:31:10.828 with a guy named Derek , who was the one who sort of brought this all to light? 00:31:10.828 --> 00:31:11.228 Right? 00:31:11.368 --> 00:31:15.108 And they were talking about like the ethics of people like that 00:31:15.108 --> 00:31:17.508 saying like, Hey, I am on steroids. 00:31:17.508 --> 00:31:17.908 Right? 00:31:17.908 --> 00:31:20.988 And it's like when you think about the audience of the Liver 00:31:20.988 --> 00:31:25.003 King or somebody like that, a lot of it is like, Younger dudes. 00:31:25.183 --> 00:31:30.523 And so you think about if your audience is like 16, 17 year old 00:31:30.593 --> 00:31:36.843 guys, do you want to influence them to say like, oh, if I wanna look like 00:31:36.843 --> 00:31:38.363 that, then I need to do steroids? 00:31:38.763 --> 00:31:39.323 Right. 00:31:39.323 --> 00:31:43.323 So it's like, it's kind of this double edged sword where if you are honest about 00:31:43.643 --> 00:31:48.123 this is what it takes to look like that you're potentially influencing people to 00:31:48.123 --> 00:31:50.883 make decisions that aren't necessarily. 00:31:51.283 --> 00:31:53.103 And their best health interest. 00:31:53.473 --> 00:31:53.823 So 00:31:53.923 --> 00:31:55.413 Track 1: Yeah, it's, it's almost like. 00:31:55.503 --> 00:31:56.383 robert: complicated topic, 00:31:56.538 --> 00:31:57.458 ariel_gardner: honest about it. 00:31:58.378 --> 00:31:58.938 it sounds co. 00:31:58.938 --> 00:32:01.458 I mean, he could, he could be, you know, like once you 00:32:01.458 --> 00:32:04.218 reach 35 start taking steroids. 00:32:04.328 --> 00:32:05.378 I don't know, like. 00:32:05.753 --> 00:32:07.043 bobby_hoyt: Well, I think, I don't even know. 00:32:07.073 --> 00:32:10.963 I mean, I think there's a lot of probably misconceptions about steroids 00:32:10.963 --> 00:32:13.803 and what they are because the more that I've kind of like seen some of 00:32:13.803 --> 00:32:17.555 the stuff, like a lot of it isn't, Like it's more like testosterone and, 00:32:17.555 --> 00:32:19.955 and other things that aren't what I would think of as like steroids, 00:32:19.955 --> 00:32:20.875 which I don't even know what that is. 00:32:20.875 --> 00:32:22.915 Like I, I've always thought of it as just some kinda like crazy 00:32:23.235 --> 00:32:24.195 chemicals that you put in your body. 00:32:24.195 --> 00:32:27.555 Like it doesn't seem like it's that outside of the realms of like if you went 00:32:27.555 --> 00:32:30.755 to a testosterone doctor, like what some of them would do and somebody would then 00:32:30.755 --> 00:32:32.195 knows way more than me would have to. 00:32:32.580 --> 00:32:33.500 Clean that up. 00:32:33.600 --> 00:32:36.820 But it just seems like there's kind of like levels to it and some things are 00:32:36.940 --> 00:32:39.620 actually like doctors are saying, yes, you should be doing this if you're a man, 00:32:39.620 --> 00:32:42.180 cuz your testosterone and levels have dipped and like, this is good for you. 00:32:42.750 --> 00:32:43.780 Um, so I don't know. 00:32:43.780 --> 00:32:45.820 It's just, it's a weird, it is a weird thing. 00:32:45.820 --> 00:32:47.060 He probably should just been honest though. 00:32:47.170 --> 00:32:48.340 Does he get bigger now? 00:32:48.680 --> 00:32:50.500 Not, not in terms of just like getting jacked? 00:32:50.500 --> 00:32:50.940 Like 00:32:51.620 --> 00:32:51.860 he, 00:32:52.155 --> 00:32:53.875 robert: like physically, does he get bigger? 00:32:53.970 --> 00:32:56.180 bobby_hoyt: does this, does this, is this good for him? 00:32:56.180 --> 00:32:58.820 Like, does this actually, cause I saw his apology video and all that stuff. 00:32:58.820 --> 00:33:00.380 Like, does his brand grow from. 00:33:00.684 --> 00:33:01.054 ariel_gardner: I think 00:33:01.814 --> 00:33:03.534 does with it, like what he does next. 00:33:04.379 --> 00:33:07.099 bobby_hoyt: think, I think that it's like, I think the, the age that we 00:33:07.099 --> 00:33:10.539 live in now is like, and I think this has been true for a while anyway, but 00:33:10.539 --> 00:33:12.819 controversy is good for your brand. 00:33:12.969 --> 00:33:16.339 Like I think he's actually gonna come out of this with way more followers, 00:33:16.339 --> 00:33:18.899 way more people knowing who he is, because like people like us are 00:33:18.899 --> 00:33:20.939 even talking about it to people that have never heard about him before. 00:33:21.309 --> 00:33:22.859 So I think it actually, like there's 00:33:23.659 --> 00:33:24.939 he probably has known that this is gonna. 00:33:25.684 --> 00:33:26.944 For a long time anyway. 00:33:27.054 --> 00:33:28.064 Wouldn't surprise me 00:33:28.904 --> 00:33:31.464 he was reading something when he did his, like his apology. 00:33:31.574 --> 00:33:35.064 I wouldn't surprise me if he's had that sitting around for like a year, just 00:33:35.064 --> 00:33:36.424 for whenever it comes out, you know? 00:33:37.154 --> 00:33:37.824 So I 00:33:37.889 --> 00:33:38.379 robert: Yeah. 00:33:38.379 --> 00:33:39.219 I think what it'll 00:33:39.542 --> 00:33:40.142 bobby_hoyt: think it's good for you, 00:33:40.227 --> 00:33:40.967 Track 1: All right guys. 00:33:41.097 --> 00:33:44.607 Be on the lookout for Bobby, uh, making some outrageous claim of something he's 00:33:44.607 --> 00:33:47.087 never done so that we can grow as a brand 00:33:47.242 --> 00:33:49.902 bobby_hoyt: I'm just saying that's the ne, I'm not saying we should do that, but 00:33:49.902 --> 00:33:50.982 I do think that's what's gonna happen. 00:33:50.982 --> 00:33:52.822 Like I think that he's gonna benefit. 00:33:53.912 --> 00:33:55.452 All the controversy surrounding it. 00:33:55.562 --> 00:33:56.212 I don't think he's 00:33:56.292 --> 00:33:57.582 robert: Yeah, I think that'll. 00:33:58.532 --> 00:33:59.772 think that'll be really interesting. 00:33:59.772 --> 00:34:04.092 And one thing that like I've, I've noticed a little bit, even when I talk 00:34:04.092 --> 00:34:07.692 about it, is like the verbiage you use about liver king, like, do you 00:34:07.692 --> 00:34:09.532 say liver king is, or Liver king was. 00:34:10.202 --> 00:34:14.342 And I like, when I've been thinking about it, I've been noticing myself 00:34:14.342 --> 00:34:16.102 using the phrase like liver king was. 00:34:16.102 --> 00:34:19.582 And it's like, oh man, is he, is he gone now or what? 00:34:19.632 --> 00:34:23.222 So it'll be interesting to see what happens in the next month or. 00:34:23.749 --> 00:34:24.689 ariel_gardner: All right guys. 00:34:25.049 --> 00:34:25.809 Thank you, 00:34:25.934 --> 00:34:28.054 bobby_hoyt: Oh, crap, Go ahead. 00:34:28.404 --> 00:34:29.014 I blew it. 00:34:29.014 --> 00:34:29.414 I blew it. 00:34:29.414 --> 00:34:30.054 Go ahead, Ariel. 00:34:30.141 --> 00:34:32.421 ariel_gardner: Thank you for listening to Questionable Decisions. 00:34:32.751 --> 00:34:35.381 We wanna hear your decisions so we can determine whether 00:34:35.381 --> 00:34:36.221 or not it was questionable. 00:34:36.786 --> 00:34:44.926 You can text it to us at 3 2 1 2 2 2 0 2 0 3 and we'll be back next week 00:34:44.926 --> 00:34:46.206 with another questionable decision. 00:34:46.206 --> 00:34:46.966 Talk soon. 00:34:47.133 --> 00:34:47.623 robert: Amen.