WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:00.140 --> 00:00:05.100 I believe Kelly Clarkson winning American Idol is the only time that the 00:00:05.100 --> 00:00:10.380 nation of the United States have been collectively joined on a single issue. 00:00:10.670 --> 00:00:14.629 I think that's the only time in American history that everyone agreed. 00:00:14.910 --> 00:00:15.569 We did agree. 00:00:15.570 --> 00:00:16.840 That that was the right thing. 00:00:21.490 --> 00:00:23.439 I have to tell you a story about this song. 00:00:23.720 --> 00:00:25.509 Please tell me a story about this song. 00:00:27.110 --> 00:00:31.350 I have a nine year old demo album and this is the first song. 00:00:32.655 --> 00:00:36.144 I'm like, should I find it and play it for the Kelly Clarkson episode? 00:00:36.565 --> 00:00:41.404 I call it my demo album, but it's literally me at nine singing 00:00:41.404 --> 00:00:45.950 like 10 covers of It was used as a demo to like try and get 00:00:46.130 --> 00:00:47.090 singing children's record deal. 00:00:47.090 --> 00:00:47.660 Oh, you're, I'm so sorry. 00:00:47.660 --> 00:00:48.675 I thought you meant I'm singing. 00:00:48.980 --> 00:00:52.250 I thought you meant like Kelly's Street team was like, yo, here's 00:00:52.250 --> 00:00:53.810 her . Do you know anybody? 00:00:53.815 --> 00:00:55.370 Hey, tenure old gay boy. 00:00:55.550 --> 00:00:57.020 Would you, do you know anywhere in the industry? 00:00:58.730 --> 00:01:00.260 I did at I, oh my god. 00:01:00.260 --> 00:01:00.620 Okay. 00:01:00.625 --> 00:01:02.589 This, there's so much to say. 00:01:02.589 --> 00:01:03.280 There's so much. 00:01:03.280 --> 00:01:03.610 There's to, so, okay. 00:01:03.610 --> 00:01:03.880 So. 00:01:04.430 --> 00:01:08.390 Way into Kelly was obviously American Idol, but I have like a, 00:01:08.560 --> 00:01:11.260 I've spoken to her on the phone. 00:01:11.600 --> 00:01:12.560 Oh, when? 00:01:12.570 --> 00:01:16.550 I have spoken to Kelly Clarkson on the phone in the year 2005. 00:01:16.730 --> 00:01:21.259 And I spoke to her because I, what my agent at the time from in 00:01:21.259 --> 00:01:23.490 Little Rock, Arkansas, her son. 00:01:23.499 --> 00:01:24.689 Oh, you tell me a little bit. 00:01:24.689 --> 00:01:26.370 You have a Ben Moody connection, right? 00:01:26.775 --> 00:01:28.115 My Ben Moody, that's the very one. 00:01:28.125 --> 00:01:29.565 Melissa Moody was my agent. 00:01:29.715 --> 00:01:33.645 So he, I like got to hang out with him and like meet him because his mom was 00:01:33.655 --> 00:01:36.825 like trying to make me a star so that she could sort of like profit off my success. 00:01:37.175 --> 00:01:40.835 And we went to this competition called IMTA, which means International 00:01:40.835 --> 00:01:42.665 Modeling and Talent Association. 00:01:42.705 --> 00:01:45.744 He, we were staying at this hotel in downtown LA. 00:01:45.775 --> 00:01:47.045 This was before I lived there. 00:01:47.580 --> 00:01:53.140 And he was there just like seeing his mom and his mom was introducing him to me. 00:01:53.500 --> 00:01:55.300 And I, I don't, I think he just liked me. 00:01:55.300 --> 00:01:56.500 I was so jazzed. 00:01:56.520 --> 00:01:59.370 I was like very much a 10 year old being like, this is the 00:01:59.370 --> 00:02:00.699 best experience of my life. 00:02:00.750 --> 00:02:05.080 I'm going to be a huge star and maybe look at all these people wanting to talk to me. 00:02:05.400 --> 00:02:09.289 And he was like, Oh yeah, man, do you want to, you want to talk to Kelly Clarkson? 00:02:09.440 --> 00:02:14.200 And he called her on the phone and I spoke to her, she was like, just to be cool. 00:02:14.530 --> 00:02:17.309 I was like, you want to impress me with Kelly? 00:02:17.720 --> 00:02:20.257 Okay, I was sort of like, I love you. 00:02:20.257 --> 00:02:23.019 I sing your song breakaway. 00:02:23.780 --> 00:02:24.329 What did she say? 00:02:24.350 --> 00:02:25.040 Do you have any memory? 00:02:25.320 --> 00:02:27.790 Dude, it lasted like 30 seconds. 00:02:27.790 --> 00:02:29.519 Like she was like, all right, I gotta go. 00:02:29.529 --> 00:02:31.459 Like she was so fucking nice. 00:02:31.480 --> 00:02:37.700 Like as sweet, nice and darling as she is, she's still to everybody on her show. 00:02:37.720 --> 00:02:40.660 But, uh, I mean, yeah, that was like the coolest fucking thing in the world 00:02:40.660 --> 00:02:43.650 for me and why I will forever love her. 00:02:43.975 --> 00:02:49.035 Your very own Drew Carr singing Breakaway, uh, originally performed 00:02:49.035 --> 00:02:52.284 by Kelly Clarkson, originally written by Avril Lavigne, and Drew, 00:02:52.285 --> 00:02:53.455 what year and how old were you? 00:02:53.615 --> 00:02:54.985 And this was for your demo, right? 00:02:55.545 --> 00:02:56.945 2004? 00:02:58.055 --> 00:02:58.844 I was nine. 00:02:59.065 --> 00:02:59.545 Nine. 00:02:59.645 --> 00:03:00.015 Ready? 00:03:00.365 --> 00:03:00.734 Mm hmm. 00:03:06.184 --> 00:03:08.465 I can't believe I'm about to hear Kid Drew. 00:03:09.135 --> 00:03:10.445 Get ready, here we go. 00:03:18.515 --> 00:03:19.465 This is adorable. 00:03:19.465 --> 00:03:20.804 Sing. 00:03:22.885 --> 00:03:23.275 Sing. 00:03:23.325 --> 00:03:26.715 Drew, you're doing the phonate, you're doing the, N da da da da, n da da da da. 00:03:26.825 --> 00:03:27.754 Oh yeah, oh yeah. 00:03:28.155 --> 00:03:31.155 Sorry, did everyone catch that little riff as a ten year old? 00:03:34.015 --> 00:03:36.684 You just said, I pray. 00:03:36.685 --> 00:03:38.745 Oh, I go crazy with these riffs. 00:03:38.855 --> 00:03:39.495 I go crazy. 00:03:44.935 --> 00:03:45.945 I love him. 00:03:46.045 --> 00:03:46.881 I love him. 00:03:46.881 --> 00:03:47.625 I love him, too. 00:03:49.124 --> 00:03:50.954 I couldn't do this at that age. 00:03:50.985 --> 00:03:51.604 There's no way. 00:03:51.605 --> 00:03:55.674 I couldn't sing like a pop star. 00:04:02.045 --> 00:04:02.685 The out? 00:04:03.315 --> 00:04:04.565 is wild. 00:04:04.685 --> 00:04:08.045 You, you are belting. 00:04:08.295 --> 00:04:12.585 It's just me singing in the way I heard Celine Dion sing. 00:04:12.664 --> 00:04:13.705 It's just an imitation. 00:04:13.705 --> 00:04:15.054 Yo, this sounds like Celine. 00:04:15.054 --> 00:04:16.635 It's like she taught me how to sing. 00:04:18.565 --> 00:04:18.994 Take it home. 00:04:20.594 --> 00:04:21.404 I loved the bridge. 00:04:30.165 --> 00:04:31.545 I can hear your mouth shape. 00:04:32.665 --> 00:04:34.185 It's a lot of, it's not easy. 00:04:34.915 --> 00:04:35.255 It is. 00:04:35.255 --> 00:04:38.865 It's like, is that you behind you or is it other people? 00:04:40.025 --> 00:04:40.675 It's other people. 00:04:40.715 --> 00:04:41.745 It's my backup vocalists. 00:04:42.084 --> 00:04:42.795 Oh work. 00:04:42.874 --> 00:04:43.725 I heard so much. 00:04:43.725 --> 00:04:44.294 I love it. 00:04:44.525 --> 00:04:49.074 In a young person's voice, you can hear so literally the, the like things 00:04:49.074 --> 00:04:50.695 that you're pulling from or imitate. 00:04:50.735 --> 00:04:51.675 Like I can hear Celine. 00:04:51.765 --> 00:04:52.665 I can hear country music. 00:04:52.665 --> 00:04:53.985 I can literally hear the way you're like. 00:04:54.160 --> 00:04:58.170 to try to get the vowels out the way that these big singers did. 00:04:58.170 --> 00:04:59.810 And it's, it's just like amazing. 00:05:00.230 --> 00:05:00.320 Good. 00:05:00.540 --> 00:05:02.040 Thank you live for that. 00:05:02.159 --> 00:05:06.370 Ben was working with Avril Lavigne and with Kelly Clarkson, which is absolutely 00:05:06.370 --> 00:05:09.659 hilarious considering they're like kind of torrid past with each other. 00:05:10.070 --> 00:05:13.030 Um, the sort of the snub at the Grammys. 00:05:13.490 --> 00:05:15.259 Avril and Kelly. 00:05:16.770 --> 00:05:17.520 Torrid past. 00:05:17.530 --> 00:05:20.880 Remember whenever Kelly, Kelly was still on American Idol 00:05:20.979 --> 00:05:22.130 and like tried to hug her. 00:05:22.130 --> 00:05:22.919 I think maybe she had just won. 00:05:22.920 --> 00:05:23.830 And Avril like didn't. 00:05:23.830 --> 00:05:27.984 She tried to hug her and Avril like lifts up her arm and walks underneath it. 00:05:28.365 --> 00:05:29.815 Like this is her hug. 00:05:30.485 --> 00:05:31.265 I mean, they're fine. 00:05:31.275 --> 00:05:34.275 Like they've been she's been on her show here on a Grammy Sunday. 00:05:34.325 --> 00:05:40.254 We're I know That album did so well and was like so critically well received. 00:05:40.254 --> 00:05:47.064 I think I think Five song or five single pop albums, which I think that whole thing 00:05:47.064 --> 00:05:50.524 started with Michael Jackson's thriller Which I think was only nine songs and five 00:05:50.524 --> 00:05:53.805 of them were released as very commercially successful singles And I think think 00:05:53.805 --> 00:05:56.755 that I don't know if that lingers in the industry these days because I don't even 00:05:56.755 --> 00:05:58.645 think they put money behind five songs. 00:05:58.645 --> 00:05:59.835 But I think Dua actually got there. 00:05:59.835 --> 00:06:02.175 Well, is anybody even making an album these days? 00:06:02.195 --> 00:06:02.455 No. 00:06:02.575 --> 00:06:04.655 Are there even five good songs on some of these pop albums? 00:06:04.655 --> 00:06:04.945 Right. 00:06:05.025 --> 00:06:05.744 And it's, yeah. 00:06:05.765 --> 00:06:09.265 But Kelly got there with, cause Breakaway was the first single. 00:06:09.275 --> 00:06:12.535 Then Since You've Been Gone was second, I think, or maybe 00:06:12.535 --> 00:06:13.235 it was the other way around. 00:06:13.415 --> 00:06:16.605 Then Behind These Hazel Eyes, which was when I started listening. 00:06:16.615 --> 00:06:18.615 I was like, This is amazing. 00:06:19.245 --> 00:06:23.195 Like what is this crazy because of you and then walk away. 00:06:23.195 --> 00:06:29.945 So she got walk away That changed my life musically walk away which one I really 00:06:29.994 --> 00:06:33.884 walk away for some reason I was I remember listening to that and being like this 00:06:33.884 --> 00:06:36.104 is like she's doing something brand new. 00:06:36.304 --> 00:06:39.614 It's so cool for me I was like there i've never heard a song like this. 00:06:39.625 --> 00:06:45.715 It was so I don't know what it was, but fuck, I loved that song so much. 00:06:45.724 --> 00:06:50.624 Can I play you, we're gonna have to be careful with anything that's not live 00:06:50.685 --> 00:06:53.664 with Kelly because she's big enough that they will pull stuff down, but 00:06:53.684 --> 00:06:56.224 actually I got, whoever I do that to us. 00:06:56.390 --> 00:06:59.060 Um, recently and I was very worried about it. 00:06:59.110 --> 00:07:00.010 I can't remember. 00:07:00.270 --> 00:07:01.370 Um, it was Beyonce. 00:07:01.380 --> 00:07:02.340 They didn't pull anything down. 00:07:02.340 --> 00:07:05.300 So I, they were like, Oh, he's, Cause they know we're, they know 00:07:05.300 --> 00:07:07.810 we're paying respect and we're speaking intelligently about music. 00:07:08.560 --> 00:07:10.250 They also have scanners for gay voice. 00:07:10.279 --> 00:07:12.189 And if gays are talking about them, they leave them alone. 00:07:12.199 --> 00:07:13.310 Like, Oh, leave it up. 00:07:13.460 --> 00:07:13.740 Leave it up. 00:07:13.839 --> 00:07:14.059 Yeah. 00:07:14.060 --> 00:07:14.370 Leave it up. 00:07:14.419 --> 00:07:16.020 Like that aspirin S leave it up. 00:07:19.349 --> 00:07:21.940 They're like, mmm, they're sort of whistling when they talk. 00:07:21.979 --> 00:07:22.650 Leave that one out. 00:07:22.919 --> 00:07:25.239 That one's contributing to culture, not detracting. 00:07:25.280 --> 00:07:25.570 Yeah. 00:07:26.030 --> 00:07:30.419 Um, I want to play, uh, a live version of Walk Away from I 00:07:30.430 --> 00:07:33.949 think the 2020, 2019, 2017. 00:07:35.099 --> 00:07:37.009 What was that called? 00:07:37.009 --> 00:07:38.919 It was like her Rita Franklin album, Meaning of Life. 00:07:39.009 --> 00:07:43.510 When she Was out of her American Idol record deal, which took her 00:07:43.520 --> 00:07:45.530 seven or eight or nine albums. 00:07:45.670 --> 00:07:49.730 And on that tour, she got like horns, she got like a nice fat budget and 00:07:49.730 --> 00:07:52.250 like horns and background singers and like the Aretha treatment. 00:07:52.459 --> 00:07:56.459 And then the covers, well not covers, the older songs in her catalog that she 00:07:56.459 --> 00:08:00.280 brought back, the arrangements were just like Fire and Walk Away was one of them. 00:08:00.590 --> 00:08:04.120 This is on the Today Show, which is famously at like 7am. 00:08:04.795 --> 00:08:05.935 I'll play a little beginning, middle, and end. 00:08:28.655 --> 00:08:29.365 Yes! 00:08:29.405 --> 00:08:29.865 Wow. 00:08:45.724 --> 00:08:46.935 I still get chills with this. 00:08:48.754 --> 00:08:50.794 Like, what is she, what's she put in this? 00:08:58.365 --> 00:09:00.665 All right, so this is the vibe I'm just gonna skip to the end 00:09:20.605 --> 00:09:21.305 At 7 a. 00:09:21.305 --> 00:09:21.615 m. 00:09:21.765 --> 00:09:22.074 7 00:09:33.324 --> 00:09:37.024 Okay, so that was a lot of that but that arrangement still to this day there's so 00:09:37.025 --> 00:09:42.045 much energy the really yummy the crowd is People are like in that with her. 00:09:42.055 --> 00:09:44.635 Yeah, it's a good want to see her live That's something I've 00:09:44.635 --> 00:09:46.005 never done and I feel badly. 00:09:46.035 --> 00:09:46.955 Oh, really? 00:09:47.235 --> 00:09:48.035 Interesting. 00:09:48.045 --> 00:09:49.075 Never seen her live. 00:09:49.175 --> 00:09:51.435 I would love to have gone to her Vegas residency. 00:09:51.935 --> 00:09:52.575 She's doing more. 00:09:52.575 --> 00:09:53.725 She just announced another weekend. 00:09:53.725 --> 00:09:54.555 I think there'll be more. 00:09:54.595 --> 00:09:56.675 Oh, We should go. 00:09:57.004 --> 00:09:57.975 Tell Adele to go. 00:09:58.035 --> 00:09:58.895 We should go. 00:09:59.044 --> 00:09:59.544 I would love to go. 00:09:59.544 --> 00:10:00.125 Birthday trip? 00:10:02.885 --> 00:10:07.805 It in April, it's wait a minute, you know, who has our birthday, but two days 00:10:07.805 --> 00:10:11.365 away, Kelly Clarkson, is she the 22nd? 00:10:11.545 --> 00:10:11.935 Yes. 00:10:12.035 --> 00:10:14.644 And I heard the 24th it's Taurus queen. 00:10:14.734 --> 00:10:15.435 She's Taurus queen. 00:10:15.444 --> 00:10:16.864 Kelly is like my diva. 00:10:17.015 --> 00:10:20.514 Like my friend, Brett has done this exercise with me and like rooms, 00:10:20.704 --> 00:10:23.165 rooms full of people many times where he's like, who's your diva? 00:10:23.185 --> 00:10:24.355 Not the person that you. 00:10:24.655 --> 00:10:28.985 Love or whatever but the person that you actually feel as a gay person 00:10:28.985 --> 00:10:32.694 or as a queer person that your life is kind of Inside of like whether 00:10:32.694 --> 00:10:35.754 it's the voice the storytelling that the persona like who is it for you? 00:10:35.785 --> 00:10:39.444 And it took me a really long time, but I think it's Kelly for me I just love 00:10:39.444 --> 00:10:43.924 that she's I love that all to the earth real ass singer real real real singer 00:10:43.925 --> 00:10:47.365 but I was thinking of like should we do like a chronology of her career 00:10:47.365 --> 00:10:50.345 and then I was like I think people actually know Kelly's career pretty 00:10:50.345 --> 00:10:55.384 well, especially because she's so Public now like she's had such a third big 00:10:55.395 --> 00:10:58.694 chapter in a way that I don't think we need to like go through it But do you 00:10:58.694 --> 00:11:00.425 have you have a favorite Kelly chapter? 00:11:00.425 --> 00:11:03.435 and then whether it's that or not, do you have hidden gem tracks or 00:11:03.435 --> 00:11:06.905 moments that you feel are like that drew parts of Kelly's career. 00:11:06.915 --> 00:11:11.045 I think my, my chapter of Kelly that it like, I am a, I am a 00:11:11.045 --> 00:11:13.875 first chapter, like prologue girl. 00:11:14.165 --> 00:11:19.854 I love her, like Miss Independent was the song that I wanted to listen to. 00:11:20.579 --> 00:11:25.000 Every single moment of the day, but was a little too afraid to admit that because 00:11:25.000 --> 00:11:26.620 I thought people would know I was gay. 00:11:26.990 --> 00:11:29.870 Um, as if that was what was telling them. 00:11:30.499 --> 00:11:32.500 Our fears as young people, I do. 00:11:32.510 --> 00:11:34.180 We put our fears into certain things. 00:11:34.260 --> 00:11:36.829 So, I was obsessed with that song. 00:11:36.850 --> 00:11:39.739 Learning later that it was written by Christina Aguilera was pretty sick. 00:11:39.770 --> 00:11:41.220 I was like, that actually makes so much sense. 00:11:42.150 --> 00:11:42.590 Right? 00:11:42.620 --> 00:11:43.360 Isn't that insane? 00:11:43.360 --> 00:11:46.500 All these initial songs were written by other incredible girls of the time. 00:11:46.510 --> 00:11:50.240 Which, I think, informs her ability to make. 00:11:50.459 --> 00:11:55.750 covers so well, brilliantly, like makes so much sense that she can 00:11:55.750 --> 00:12:01.020 take anybody's music and sing it better than they can and make it a 00:12:01.020 --> 00:12:03.370 version that is singular from theirs. 00:12:03.620 --> 00:12:07.200 Because I think the beginnings of her career were like listening to 00:12:07.200 --> 00:12:10.740 these really successful artists like Avril Lavigne, like Christina 00:12:10.740 --> 00:12:14.590 Aguilera, and I'm sure many others and saying, Oh, how can I sing this? 00:12:14.590 --> 00:12:15.550 Make it my own. 00:12:15.755 --> 00:12:18.494 Cause people have definitely heard this demo and we'll hear, 00:12:18.555 --> 00:12:20.055 hear this demo at some point. 00:12:20.415 --> 00:12:23.265 And I think it's like, why she's so good at that. 00:12:23.744 --> 00:12:30.895 Um, but I mean, the breakaway album is like that chain musically changed my life. 00:12:30.895 --> 00:12:34.615 I think I also sang a lot of stuff from that as a kid. 00:12:34.694 --> 00:12:35.664 It really did. 00:12:35.664 --> 00:12:38.395 Like I, it was like electric. 00:12:38.395 --> 00:12:39.155 And I think. 00:12:39.745 --> 00:12:43.225 Did something that no one expected her to do which was like be 00:12:43.225 --> 00:12:44.865 like critically successful 100%! 00:12:45.185 --> 00:12:47.085 No one at that time thought she would do that. 00:12:47.325 --> 00:12:50.945 Um, I want to play you a bit just on the Miss Independent train I wanted to play 00:12:50.945 --> 00:12:52.555 you an award show performance of this. 00:12:53.134 --> 00:12:57.645 This is from 2017 AMA's So same as the last song same as the 00:12:57.645 --> 00:12:58.845 walk away from her same era. 00:12:58.855 --> 00:13:02.735 It's like her Aretha era Bringing old songs back with soul. 00:13:04.415 --> 00:13:05.575 Those horns. 00:13:06.975 --> 00:13:18.480 She flubs the words I think Help to fear, I love it. 00:13:18.820 --> 00:13:19.850 Yeah, she's like, whatever. 00:13:20.320 --> 00:13:20.980 The gays will notice. 00:13:21.040 --> 00:13:21.970 Like, I forgot about it. 00:13:22.820 --> 00:13:23.490 I forgot. 00:13:23.490 --> 00:13:28.109 Come 00:13:42.950 --> 00:13:43.500 on, Echo. 00:13:44.770 --> 00:13:45.130 Right? 00:13:53.550 --> 00:13:55.370 This is the slightest bit stodgy, but 00:14:01.190 --> 00:14:01.740 it was there. 00:14:02.080 --> 00:14:02.820 I still love it. 00:14:05.119 --> 00:14:09.770 Like I love even like from then till now she's sounding 00:14:09.780 --> 00:14:13.730 better now She she's an icon. 00:14:13.740 --> 00:14:18.379 She really is and she's only aged like like wine Like it's just 00:14:18.400 --> 00:14:20.549 only getting better and vocally. 00:14:20.549 --> 00:14:24.214 She's so much better now, which like Who the fuck is doing that? 00:14:24.224 --> 00:14:25.724 Like, how is she doing that? 00:14:25.755 --> 00:14:25.994 I know. 00:14:25.994 --> 00:14:27.365 I wanted to talk to you about that, too. 00:14:27.375 --> 00:14:28.045 She's got money. 00:14:28.214 --> 00:14:33.375 The fact that her belt is like bigger and broader than it's ever been, 00:14:33.385 --> 00:14:35.444 and her range is somehow wider. 00:14:35.455 --> 00:14:36.994 It's so rare. 00:14:37.105 --> 00:14:40.415 And for it to not have diminished, it's been over 20 years. 00:14:40.445 --> 00:14:42.205 That is so rare. 00:14:42.215 --> 00:14:45.125 I think she's talked about this on some podcasts that I've listened to 00:14:45.125 --> 00:14:51.040 where she's like, Oh, I, I finally like learned how to be a vocal 00:14:51.070 --> 00:14:55.710 technician as opposed to just somebody who had this really natural ability. 00:14:56.060 --> 00:15:00.569 So, like, she's obviously, like, had voice lessons and had people teach her 00:15:00.569 --> 00:15:04.800 the ways to sustain this when she's doing a residency or she's on tour. 00:15:05.030 --> 00:15:08.289 She's doing a ton of live performances, and I think now, she's done it 00:15:08.289 --> 00:15:11.170 long enough and has, like, built up the stamina enough to be able 00:15:11.170 --> 00:15:13.470 to do it at 7am for the Today Show. 00:15:13.630 --> 00:15:15.160 Also, that's the same key! 00:15:15.439 --> 00:15:16.750 That's the original key! 00:15:16.770 --> 00:15:17.800 That's crazy. 00:15:18.005 --> 00:15:18.965 That's high. 00:15:19.015 --> 00:15:20.745 That is a high key, everyone. 00:15:21.235 --> 00:15:24.105 But also, you know, I think kids, having kids has a lot to do with it. 00:15:24.105 --> 00:15:26.225 Like that really changes hormonally. 00:15:26.225 --> 00:15:27.765 Your voice changes the way you sound. 00:15:27.795 --> 00:15:32.564 And I think makes most women sound even better than they did before. 00:15:32.575 --> 00:15:34.795 I've heard a lot of, I would say the same for Beyonce. 00:15:34.804 --> 00:15:35.454 Totally. 00:15:35.495 --> 00:15:37.389 I've heard a lot of female artists talk about this. 00:15:37.540 --> 00:15:40.600 Yeah, that like, right in the midst of the pregnancy your voice changes 00:15:40.600 --> 00:15:45.769 and then after it like can potentially grow in this crazy way that would 00:15:45.770 --> 00:15:49.710 have never been able to be the case before, which is so interesting. 00:15:49.740 --> 00:15:53.170 And I know a handful of women who've in the middle of being pregnant have said 00:15:53.170 --> 00:15:57.990 like, I've never have sounded better in my life like there it's just unbelievable. 00:15:58.444 --> 00:16:00.255 And I'm like, Oh, they're like, it makes sense. 00:16:00.255 --> 00:16:03.485 You know, like these hormones are, are going, uh, yeah, yeah. 00:16:03.485 --> 00:16:04.855 And it's just, it's really interesting. 00:16:04.855 --> 00:16:07.704 And then afterwards, like it's even a little bit more different and 00:16:07.954 --> 00:16:09.914 richer and fuller and more beautiful. 00:16:09.915 --> 00:16:14.925 And yeah, I think it's like amazing to hear her say her old stuff now. 00:16:15.024 --> 00:16:18.954 She's got such a husky voice that if you listen to even some of her 00:16:19.015 --> 00:16:22.735 earliest, like maybe we'll play a couple of her thankful recordings. 00:16:23.725 --> 00:16:27.825 She, she was a rangy kind of R& B mixed with like Aretha 00:16:27.865 --> 00:16:29.275 cover artist at that time. 00:16:29.275 --> 00:16:31.464 And then the pop rock thing really took off. 00:16:31.725 --> 00:16:35.984 But there were, there were a couple of, whether they were live recordings 00:16:35.985 --> 00:16:38.145 or, or just CD recordings and that. 00:16:38.375 --> 00:16:41.835 If I were the listener I am now, then I would have been like, Oh, I don't 00:16:41.835 --> 00:16:42.965 know if she'll be able to sustain that. 00:16:42.965 --> 00:16:46.685 Like she's, she's in the Mariah Carey camp of just like kind of shouting. 00:16:46.694 --> 00:16:49.724 I mean, she has a big voice, but she was really, she wasn't 00:16:49.724 --> 00:16:50.935 doing it as sustainably. 00:16:50.974 --> 00:16:55.475 And to, for her to have like, not righted the course, but like 00:16:56.014 --> 00:16:57.634 found a way to make it work. 00:16:57.665 --> 00:17:00.285 And she can still sing her ass off any day. 00:17:00.285 --> 00:17:01.775 She's like, she doesn't cancel. 00:17:01.855 --> 00:17:03.885 This is not a woman that cancels shows. 00:17:04.115 --> 00:17:04.925 I've seen her. 00:17:05.369 --> 00:17:11.619 I've seen her maybe two or three times and her quality will, will change like, 00:17:11.619 --> 00:17:15.079 and she'll even say if it's a good day or not a great day or like if she has to do 00:17:15.079 --> 00:17:17.520 something differently, but it's never bad. 00:17:17.530 --> 00:17:18.940 It's never, ever, ever bad. 00:17:18.940 --> 00:17:20.259 Her voice doesn't break. 00:17:20.520 --> 00:17:22.420 It just does different things. 00:17:22.480 --> 00:17:23.744 You never worry about her. 00:17:24.595 --> 00:17:26.675 Let's bring it back to bring that worry about miss Kelly. 00:17:26.915 --> 00:17:31.475 So this was when her first album thankful She was in the studio with 00:17:31.514 --> 00:17:37.415 babyface like that's who she was writing these songs with that's so iconic. 00:17:40.445 --> 00:17:45.705 Oh Wow, so this is just a really belty live version of this She 00:17:45.705 --> 00:17:47.295 just felt her belt that day. 00:17:47.895 --> 00:17:52.685 She's sprouts, but she has it It's like that. 00:17:52.715 --> 00:17:57.005 It's like before she knew exactly what to do with that big ol sound 00:18:00.595 --> 00:18:02.415 Like, she just could do that. 00:18:03.675 --> 00:18:06.014 And I think it probably got to a point where she was like, It's not 00:18:06.014 --> 00:18:07.615 really doing that as well anymore. 00:18:07.645 --> 00:18:09.195 I need to figure out how to Where it, like, kind of hurts? 00:18:09.485 --> 00:18:10.145 Like, am I bleeding? 00:18:10.575 --> 00:18:12.824 Yeah, she's like, Hmm, that feels gross. 00:18:16.645 --> 00:18:17.494 What note is that? 00:18:17.494 --> 00:18:18.475 Sing, Kelly. 00:18:21.395 --> 00:18:23.675 Loud and high, girl, you know I love it. 00:18:24.095 --> 00:18:25.055 Me too, loud and high. 00:18:25.055 --> 00:18:26.215 That's all you need to do. 00:18:26.295 --> 00:18:29.874 Actually, the name of this podcast, if it's me, you should do loud and high. 00:18:29.875 --> 00:18:29.995 Trademark. 00:18:29.995 --> 00:18:30.354 Loud and high. 00:18:30.354 --> 00:18:30.474 Trademark. 00:18:30.475 --> 00:18:32.005 Yeah, yeah, fuck yeah. 00:18:32.005 --> 00:18:32.565 Alright, maybe I'll buy that. 00:18:32.715 --> 00:18:33.605 That's all I need. 00:18:33.785 --> 00:18:37.895 But you can hear, it's like, I'm picturing the feeling in her throat as like, knives 00:18:37.895 --> 00:18:39.135 rubbing against each other a little bit. 00:18:39.135 --> 00:18:41.175 That's, that one was Oh, absolutely. 00:18:41.205 --> 00:18:42.115 They're in flames. 00:18:42.135 --> 00:18:43.115 They're bright red. 00:18:44.205 --> 00:18:44.845 For sure. 00:18:44.845 --> 00:18:45.295 The poor thing. 00:18:45.295 --> 00:18:46.505 I mean, hey, she hasn't lost it. 00:18:47.370 --> 00:18:50.580 Do you have any moments of My December that connect or what's 00:18:50.580 --> 00:18:51.639 your take on My December? 00:18:51.670 --> 00:18:52.560 I love it. 00:18:52.600 --> 00:18:56.480 It, to me, sounds less expensive because they didn't like what she 00:18:56.480 --> 00:18:57.769 was doing, so they didn't fund it. 00:18:57.900 --> 00:19:01.430 So the vocal mixing is not as nice, the production is not as nice, but 00:19:01.430 --> 00:19:02.610 I think there are some gems on it. 00:19:02.879 --> 00:19:11.940 I have to put the context in that I was a child and I was a fickle 00:19:12.139 --> 00:19:14.110 little kid learning about the world. 00:19:14.110 --> 00:19:15.820 So I heard Never Again. 00:19:16.365 --> 00:19:21.885 Did not like it and I turned my back on Kelly for a little while I did. 00:19:21.945 --> 00:19:25.045 I won't deny that I did not like the album. 00:19:25.485 --> 00:19:33.104 Um, I Was growing in my sophistication with music to where I was expecting her 00:19:33.105 --> 00:19:38.905 next album to sound Exactly like the other one or to be similar yeah to be 00:19:38.905 --> 00:19:43.330 similar enough where I still felt like I knew her as an artist and I think I 00:19:43.330 --> 00:19:48.440 didn't know what, like, taking risks as a musician was at that time, so I really 00:19:48.440 --> 00:19:50.310 was like, What the fuck is she doing? 00:19:50.320 --> 00:19:54.429 And like, did not participate in the conversation. 00:19:54.710 --> 00:19:56.029 She obviously won me back. 00:19:57.659 --> 00:20:00.629 I have to say I was, I was not in My December Girl. 00:20:01.075 --> 00:20:03.805 And I do forget sometimes the four years between us, that would have 00:20:03.805 --> 00:20:05.075 been pretty substantial back then. 00:20:05.095 --> 00:20:06.735 I was 17, you were 13. 00:20:06.745 --> 00:20:09.215 You were expecting a different Kelly in that album. 00:20:09.235 --> 00:20:10.175 I was actually all right. 00:20:10.175 --> 00:20:11.535 I was feeling very angsty. 00:20:11.585 --> 00:20:14.675 I was really loving dark hair, angry. 00:20:16.200 --> 00:20:19.130 Yeah, I wasn't a scene kid, so it wasn't really for me. 00:20:19.610 --> 00:20:23.950 I feel I mean, I wasn't either, I'll never be really, but I like, pretended I was. 00:20:24.010 --> 00:20:24.870 I lived through this. 00:20:24.889 --> 00:20:25.527 Right, right, right, right. 00:20:25.527 --> 00:20:32.010 But never again, like Like, now I love it. 00:20:32.110 --> 00:20:34.129 It's so iconic, just the way that shit starts. 00:20:34.809 --> 00:20:39.115 My, uh, my favorite moment of this album is a song called One Minute. 00:20:39.155 --> 00:20:40.625 I don't know if anyone knows this song. 00:20:40.685 --> 00:20:44.105 I don't, I have a couple that I bookmarked as I don't know why Kelly 00:20:44.105 --> 00:20:45.464 Clarkson didn't make these a single. 00:20:45.464 --> 00:20:49.274 I don't, it's probably she couldn't like she didn't have the choice in 00:20:49.274 --> 00:20:53.534 the matter, but One Minute to me is a single we all missed out on. 00:20:53.534 --> 00:20:56.924 This is the second track on My December. 00:20:56.925 --> 00:21:06.944 You're going crazy Running on empty You can't pick up your mind It's your life 00:21:18.475 --> 00:21:19.965 I really, yeah, I like it. 00:21:20.245 --> 00:21:20.715 I live. 00:21:20.715 --> 00:21:23.225 I need to give that whole album a full listen through soon. 00:21:23.285 --> 00:21:23.875 There's some good stuff. 00:21:23.875 --> 00:21:25.085 I think I'll love it now. 00:21:25.155 --> 00:21:27.535 And Sober is a song she still performs. 00:21:27.544 --> 00:21:28.605 You probably know this one. 00:21:28.624 --> 00:21:29.415 I know Sober. 00:21:29.415 --> 00:21:30.535 It's a belty ballad. 00:21:33.455 --> 00:21:34.105 Beautiful. 00:21:34.545 --> 00:21:36.964 This album had the like the first three second effect. 00:21:36.964 --> 00:21:38.994 Each song just grabs you. 00:21:40.715 --> 00:21:42.075 Like, this would hit today. 00:21:42.115 --> 00:21:45.335 If she released this today, this would go platinum, I think. 00:21:45.335 --> 00:21:47.365 It would, it would be on the radio, absolutely. 00:21:47.475 --> 00:21:51.014 If Olivia Rodrigo can write a song like this, she will, she will do her best. 00:21:54.254 --> 00:21:55.824 And then she said, oh, do you like this octave? 00:21:56.565 --> 00:21:57.904 Or should, should I try a different one? 00:21:57.905 --> 00:22:00.374 Hmm. 00:22:04.255 --> 00:22:08.815 That was like an album of addicted, like that is like what My December was. 00:22:08.875 --> 00:22:09.385 100%. 00:22:09.395 --> 00:22:10.685 It was her Evanescence album. 00:22:10.685 --> 00:22:12.644 It was her Jagged Little Pill. 00:22:12.784 --> 00:22:13.365 It really was. 00:22:13.365 --> 00:22:14.485 It was like 20 addicted. 00:22:14.745 --> 00:22:18.514 Um, I would like to plug a track I forgot about from My December, which 00:22:18.525 --> 00:22:23.925 features the only, in my understanding, the only pop song that shifts 00:22:23.925 --> 00:22:26.565 the key down in the final chorus. 00:22:26.585 --> 00:22:27.735 And it's called Yeah. 00:22:27.795 --> 00:22:30.634 Oh, it's like I Am Changing from Dreamgirls. 00:22:31.155 --> 00:22:32.115 Oh, does that shift down? 00:22:34.795 --> 00:22:35.735 Alright, well this is, yeah. 00:22:36.565 --> 00:22:37.985 I'm already playing Tony Hawk. 00:22:38.045 --> 00:22:39.055 Like, the scene is set. 00:22:40.415 --> 00:22:41.035 I'm looking. 00:22:41.065 --> 00:22:42.835 The boy's in big shorts. 00:22:44.004 --> 00:22:44.964 Absolutely. 00:22:45.294 --> 00:22:46.475 We're on a basketball court. 00:22:48.285 --> 00:22:49.485 Fringe, fray hair. 00:22:50.394 --> 00:22:51.154 Over the eyes. 00:22:51.364 --> 00:22:52.304 Absolutely. 00:22:52.304 --> 00:22:56.164 Ashley Parker Angel is somewhere. 00:22:56.164 --> 00:22:58.195 That's the chorus. 00:22:58.195 --> 00:23:00.904 What's your plan, Kel? 00:23:11.415 --> 00:23:13.055 Fascinating choice there. 00:23:14.305 --> 00:23:16.585 Not sure it's the right one, but I like it. 00:23:17.514 --> 00:23:18.074 Trying to think now. 00:23:18.074 --> 00:23:21.545 I think one of my favorite Hidden Gems tracks, was it on 00:23:21.654 --> 00:23:23.255 the I Do Not Hook Up album? 00:23:23.814 --> 00:23:25.014 Is that the name of that album? 00:23:25.234 --> 00:23:29.194 No, that name of that album is, I call this her Katy Perry Comeback 00:23:29.194 --> 00:23:31.385 to Pop album because Katy Perry wrote a bunch of those songs. 00:23:32.250 --> 00:23:34.830 That one was called My Life Would Suck With that. 00:23:34.830 --> 00:23:36.690 All I ever wanted news on that all I ever wanted. 00:23:36.690 --> 00:23:37.770 Yeah, all I ever wanted. 00:23:38.159 --> 00:23:41.355 Um, the song Secret Cry on that. 00:23:41.735 --> 00:23:42.835 Oh, good choice. 00:23:43.195 --> 00:23:45.380 I love Cry. 00:23:46.449 --> 00:23:49.150 She was kind of pushing into country a little with this one. 00:23:55.790 --> 00:23:58.070 So this is fourth album, Kelly, after she. 00:23:58.540 --> 00:24:01.620 Got my December out of her system and she agreed to like play the 00:24:01.620 --> 00:24:05.010 industry game again And she was like, okay, I'll be a pop girlie. 00:24:05.060 --> 00:24:11.219 And I guess I was loving it Welcome back back to what you should be doing. 00:24:12.150 --> 00:24:15.469 I Was so excited when this album came out cuz I was like, oh, this is looking more 00:24:15.470 --> 00:24:18.650 like her cuz I was you know Still growing. 00:24:18.870 --> 00:24:20.950 Yeah, like they bleached her hair is what that meant 00:24:30.420 --> 00:24:35.430 Yeah at Olivia put this in your next tour It's just like orchestral 00:24:35.430 --> 00:24:38.450 and it feels really theatrical and yummy, but like a pop song still. 00:24:38.510 --> 00:24:40.110 Oh, that's such a good ballad. 00:24:40.120 --> 00:24:41.959 Which is my fucking cream. 00:24:42.220 --> 00:24:45.979 Also, I wrote this album off for probably compatible reasons to 00:24:45.980 --> 00:24:49.139 why you were into it, which was, I was like, Oh, she's back to pop. 00:24:49.140 --> 00:24:52.940 I'm not going to be into this, but there's, there's a couple of pop singles. 00:24:52.950 --> 00:24:54.390 It's kind of like the Taylor Swift red. 00:24:54.390 --> 00:24:55.690 It's like, there's three pop singles. 00:24:55.690 --> 00:24:58.100 And then there's a lot of like the other genre. 00:24:58.110 --> 00:25:00.279 And so there's a lot of pop rock on this. 00:25:00.599 --> 00:25:02.519 The one that I love is. 00:25:02.950 --> 00:25:03.990 Don't let me stop you. 00:25:04.830 --> 00:25:05.840 I don't know if you know this one. 00:25:05.840 --> 00:25:06.910 This one, hell yeah. 00:25:07.070 --> 00:25:07.980 Hits, bitch. 00:25:08.420 --> 00:25:09.623 Where was the single from it? 00:25:09.623 --> 00:25:11.150 This one makes me think of a Paramore song. 00:25:11.150 --> 00:25:13.000 Yes, Paramore, Kelly. 00:25:13.160 --> 00:25:14.529 This is so 2009. 00:25:17.010 --> 00:25:18.190 It's got a little Fall Out Boy in it. 00:25:20.280 --> 00:25:21.540 It really does. 00:25:21.549 --> 00:25:22.340 Sort of some Panic! 00:25:22.340 --> 00:25:23.250 at the Disco there. 00:25:23.270 --> 00:25:23.639 Panic! 00:25:23.650 --> 00:25:25.180 It's so 2009. 00:25:25.600 --> 00:25:27.500 Like, that is of the time. 00:25:39.910 --> 00:25:40.510 Thing, Kelly. 00:25:42.235 --> 00:25:46.264 I couldn't help but notice the last time you kissed me, you kept both eyes open. 00:25:48.054 --> 00:25:49.504 Girl, that means you did too. 00:25:50.525 --> 00:25:50.705 Bruh. 00:25:51.804 --> 00:25:52.455 Just saying. 00:25:53.715 --> 00:25:54.844 Not to read you, girl. 00:25:55.145 --> 00:25:55.625 Right. 00:25:55.784 --> 00:25:57.274 That means you're not to read me too, Kelly. 00:25:57.935 --> 00:25:58.475 How'd you know? 00:26:00.154 --> 00:26:00.344 Never talked to you. 00:26:00.364 --> 00:26:04.855 I have to say, that was reminding me of, feels like a precursor to Red, in a way. 00:26:04.874 --> 00:26:08.290 Like, that had a really, Taylor Swift sound to me. 00:26:08.639 --> 00:26:09.590 Cause when did Red come out? 00:26:09.590 --> 00:26:10.869 Like 2011 or something? 00:26:10.869 --> 00:26:10.870 2012. 00:26:10.870 --> 00:26:11.300 2012. 00:26:11.300 --> 00:26:12.540 So this 2012. 00:26:12.580 --> 00:26:12.860 Okay. 00:26:12.889 --> 00:26:18.060 This pop rock format of like the, just before the 2010s, Kelly was 00:26:18.060 --> 00:26:22.289 definitely paving it, and then I think all the pop rock that ended up 00:26:22.289 --> 00:26:24.429 happening this And getting no credit. 00:26:25.014 --> 00:26:26.305 I feel she was getting no credit. 00:26:26.375 --> 00:26:28.045 Kelly has never gotten credit for anything. 00:26:28.055 --> 00:26:29.595 This is like the story of her career. 00:26:29.665 --> 00:26:30.805 She's never credited for anything. 00:26:30.805 --> 00:26:31.835 It's such bullshit. 00:26:31.845 --> 00:26:33.835 She's literally one of the greatest vocalists of the 00:26:33.835 --> 00:26:35.715 generation and of all time. 00:26:35.784 --> 00:26:37.455 I will fight anybody on that. 00:26:37.704 --> 00:26:39.905 And we want to disrespect her? 00:26:40.525 --> 00:26:41.135 What the fuck? 00:26:41.135 --> 00:26:44.445 She gets removed from the story and the lore of the parts 00:26:44.445 --> 00:26:45.745 of culture that she has had. 00:26:46.230 --> 00:26:51.730 Either a huge thumbprint on or she has just like she's the queen of 00:26:51.730 --> 00:26:55.379 herself in her own right for some reason She's like out of them. 00:26:55.590 --> 00:26:59.179 We know she's there and we like celebrate her but I cultured We will 00:26:59.179 --> 00:27:01.129 never properly give Kelly her flowers. 00:27:01.189 --> 00:27:03.839 Like I don't know why and it's really fucked. 00:27:03.959 --> 00:27:08.409 It's really fucked She is a purveyor and creator of culture especially 00:27:08.409 --> 00:27:13.219 for those of us who grew up in the late 90s early aughts like we she 00:27:13.260 --> 00:27:18.655 ushered us into the new millennium and Completely and out of like bubblegum pop. 00:27:18.655 --> 00:27:20.155 Safely and with good music. 00:27:20.215 --> 00:27:20.995 With good music. 00:27:21.034 --> 00:27:22.105 Who else could say? 00:27:22.945 --> 00:27:25.375 There's very few others that could say that, okay? 00:27:26.764 --> 00:27:28.534 Put some fucking respect on her name. 00:27:28.844 --> 00:27:30.824 You know how she got some disrespect on this album? 00:27:30.944 --> 00:27:37.295 Uh, she released Already Gone with Ryan Tedder which was like his Photocopy 00:27:37.325 --> 00:27:42.115 of Halo that he wrote for Beyonce and unfortunately, Kelly's came out second 00:27:42.115 --> 00:27:46.275 and so people shit on her and it's like well It's the same guy that wrote Bull. 00:27:46.295 --> 00:27:50.035 It's not her fault, but like already gone slaps. 00:27:50.194 --> 00:27:55.874 This is a great ballad Oh, this is another one of my damn shower songs back then. 00:27:56.954 --> 00:28:00.645 I'm sorry, but this is better than Halo I'm sorry y'all this is my 00:28:00.645 --> 00:28:03.930 choice Those are really strong words. 00:28:04.630 --> 00:28:06.950 Halo doesn't need me to celebrate it. 00:28:06.990 --> 00:28:07.980 It's very celebratory. 00:28:07.990 --> 00:28:08.380 It's fine. 00:28:08.410 --> 00:28:09.150 Yeah, she's fine. 00:28:09.150 --> 00:28:10.120 Already gone needs me. 00:28:10.130 --> 00:28:11.320 You've got a few billion streams. 00:28:12.450 --> 00:28:13.190 She's fine. 00:28:13.190 --> 00:28:13.899 I haven't 00:28:17.780 --> 00:28:18.820 listened to this in years. 00:28:18.860 --> 00:28:21.060 You know what this song doesn't have, and what Halo also doesn't have? 00:28:21.100 --> 00:28:21.779 Is a key change. 00:28:21.780 --> 00:28:23.679 It kind of asks for one, that last chorus. 00:28:23.730 --> 00:28:24.420 It does. 00:28:25.899 --> 00:28:26.600 This should lift. 00:28:27.930 --> 00:28:29.550 And if you're Kelly, it should lift a whole step. 00:28:30.840 --> 00:28:32.690 A whole octave, damn. 00:28:35.055 --> 00:28:39.874 It's so like, I think we've talked about this in our last, like, 00:28:40.255 --> 00:28:41.764 it's real, I'm itching for it. 00:28:41.764 --> 00:28:42.965 And it has like that. 00:28:43.534 --> 00:28:44.585 We talked about this last time. 00:28:44.585 --> 00:28:51.205 Like it has that, like the fray quality of like, really it like 00:28:51.205 --> 00:28:58.215 exists in this space and it by the end is boring because it goes nowhere. 00:28:58.225 --> 00:28:59.975 Like there's no trajectory to it. 00:28:59.975 --> 00:29:01.115 It's like that did this. 00:29:02.045 --> 00:29:06.125 Like yeah, and it was like great for the final credits of a Grey's Anatomy 00:29:06.125 --> 00:29:10.555 episode, but it like isn't actually very interesting music Well, the 00:29:11.005 --> 00:29:14.915 final credits of a Grey's Anatomy episode was a genre of music for like 00:29:14.954 --> 00:29:16.824 10 years That's completely accurate. 00:29:16.835 --> 00:29:21.074 Yeah, like every artist and people made their careers being like this would 00:29:21.085 --> 00:29:22.840 be really good on a Grey's episode 00:29:22.850 --> 00:29:25.560 Do you have, what would your three questions be that you would 00:29:25.560 --> 00:29:27.600 want Kelly to like follow up on? 00:29:27.610 --> 00:29:29.850 I want to know why did you modulate down? 00:29:29.870 --> 00:29:34.600 First of all, I want to know, why didn't you make another sound like walk away? 00:29:35.110 --> 00:29:36.269 And do you remember the phone call? 00:29:36.780 --> 00:29:37.459 Those are your three. 00:29:37.620 --> 00:29:40.080 What are your three for my, for our girl Kelly? 00:29:40.700 --> 00:29:44.399 One of them is definitely the modulation down and yeah, on my December 00:29:44.399 --> 00:29:45.659 and like whose decision that was. 00:29:45.929 --> 00:29:48.050 One of them is one of my hidden gems. 00:29:48.060 --> 00:29:51.090 I desperately need to know why this was never made a single. 00:29:51.109 --> 00:29:53.199 It was from a very successful album. 00:29:53.199 --> 00:29:53.419 The. 00:29:53.939 --> 00:29:56.870 second most successful album she's released, which was stronger. 00:29:56.870 --> 00:30:01.740 And I think stronger was maybe another five, maybe, no, I think it was a 00:30:01.740 --> 00:30:06.189 three or four single album, but I think that Kelly had, I think that 00:30:06.189 --> 00:30:10.400 Kelly had a fifth single on this album and I need to know I've heard her. 00:30:11.060 --> 00:30:15.000 Sing this live, not I wasn't there for it, but I've seen recordings of it, and she 00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:18.230 has talked about writing this, but she has never explained why this wasn't a single. 00:30:18.409 --> 00:30:23.740 To me, this is the older sister to, um, Behind These Hazel Eyes, and it is a 00:30:23.740 --> 00:30:28.419 song called Let Me Down, and I have never heard a perfect punk pop song like this. 00:30:28.605 --> 00:30:31.725 Ever before or since, um, this is a little of Let Me Down. 00:30:31.725 --> 00:30:33.435 This is literally my favorite Kelly Clarkson song. 00:30:33.665 --> 00:30:34.185 I love this song. 00:30:35.365 --> 00:30:38.444 It's album like, or it's like, song like 16 on this album. 00:30:38.445 --> 00:30:39.165 It's buried. 00:30:39.214 --> 00:30:39.884 I don't know why. 00:30:39.885 --> 00:30:42.455 A lot of tracks on that album, damn. 00:30:42.495 --> 00:30:44.994 I think I might be a fortune teller. 00:30:44.994 --> 00:30:47.834 I read your face just like a letter. 00:30:48.194 --> 00:30:53.649 The funny thing about forever is it comes with a side of never never. 00:30:53.649 --> 00:30:55.838 Leave me, I love to close my eyes. 00:30:55.838 --> 00:30:57.479 There's Alicia Keys in the back. 00:31:01.199 --> 00:31:02.093 That really made me think of her. 00:31:02.093 --> 00:31:03.080 Empire state of mind, in the back. 00:31:03.669 --> 00:31:04.409 Really did. 00:31:19.229 --> 00:31:21.079 And she gives a great note in the end. 00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:26.049 Mm, right on an E. 00:31:32.340 --> 00:31:35.690 Her back vocals in that one, it's like, no one does it like her. 00:31:36.139 --> 00:31:37.719 No one does that like her. 00:31:37.830 --> 00:31:40.889 And this is when the Husky Belt was really taking over for her, like she was 00:31:40.889 --> 00:31:42.490 becoming much more of a Husky singer. 00:31:42.570 --> 00:31:43.100 track. 00:31:43.159 --> 00:31:46.710 And like, I just want to know why that track didn't get a life cycle. 00:31:46.980 --> 00:31:48.500 That would have been so successful. 00:31:48.500 --> 00:31:50.859 The songs that were released from that album were Mr. 00:31:50.860 --> 00:31:52.699 Know It All, which is kind of a strange one. 00:31:53.099 --> 00:31:54.419 And then Stronger. 00:31:54.949 --> 00:31:56.120 And Dark Side. 00:31:56.530 --> 00:31:58.270 And then the fourth and final. 00:31:58.629 --> 00:32:00.370 Single was the country ballad. 00:32:00.580 --> 00:32:02.629 Don't you want to stay with Jason Aldean? 00:32:02.860 --> 00:32:05.379 God, that had a chokehold on me. 00:32:05.919 --> 00:32:06.590 Don't you want to stay? 00:32:07.610 --> 00:32:08.290 Yeah. 00:32:08.300 --> 00:32:08.690 Speak on it. 00:32:08.690 --> 00:32:10.740 I fuck with that song. 00:32:10.820 --> 00:32:11.330 Speak on it. 00:32:11.520 --> 00:32:15.020 I think I'd always just wanted her to lean into that. 00:32:15.319 --> 00:32:16.570 I can't wait for the country album. 00:32:16.690 --> 00:32:17.229 I can't wait. 00:32:17.309 --> 00:32:22.310 It's, like, I, country music, like, truly did raise me. 00:32:22.320 --> 00:32:26.965 So, like, for her to do this with Jason Aldean at the time was Like, a king. 00:32:27.675 --> 00:32:30.155 And, ugh, God, it's good. 00:32:31.024 --> 00:32:33.185 Let's take a moment and talk about Country Kelly. 00:32:33.254 --> 00:32:36.335 Because, this is the first time she really properly recorded, 00:32:36.495 --> 00:32:37.754 like, a country song like this. 00:32:42.574 --> 00:32:45.945 She just lets her voice, like, speak for itself, really, in an interesting way. 00:32:47.245 --> 00:32:48.554 That's a beautiful way to say it. 00:32:48.814 --> 00:32:50.754 I love how you said that. 00:32:50.754 --> 00:32:51.054 Thanks. 00:32:53.034 --> 00:32:54.245 She just sings with her voice. 00:32:54.245 --> 00:32:55.934 It just leads. 00:32:55.934 --> 00:33:01.014 You're right, the voice leads. 00:33:01.895 --> 00:33:05.504 Like, I think she trusts her voice the most in music like this. 00:33:06.115 --> 00:33:07.665 And that's why it's so beautiful. 00:33:08.065 --> 00:33:08.885 I agree with that. 00:33:08.885 --> 00:33:10.004 It's just so her. 00:33:10.024 --> 00:33:11.725 It sounds like her. 00:33:11.945 --> 00:33:13.004 It's so natural. 00:33:13.074 --> 00:33:16.235 Have you heard her cover of Garth Brooks The Dance when he got 00:33:16.235 --> 00:33:17.365 inducted into the Kennedy Center? 00:33:17.365 --> 00:33:18.675 It makes me cry. 00:33:18.675 --> 00:33:19.824 It makes me cry. 00:33:19.854 --> 00:33:20.764 I can't watch it. 00:33:20.794 --> 00:33:22.034 It's just too Oh really? 00:33:22.585 --> 00:33:23.004 Can I play a second of it? 00:33:23.004 --> 00:33:23.829 makes me cry. 00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:24.560 Yes, you can. 00:33:24.699 --> 00:33:28.550 This, um, this was the Kennedy Center post Covid and so they're all outside 00:33:28.550 --> 00:33:32.169 and there's not that many people, but I remember still in lockdown this came out 00:33:32.199 --> 00:33:34.270 and I sat at my house and wept to this. 00:33:34.299 --> 00:33:37.619 And I, I didn't have a relationship with this song like I think most people did. 00:33:37.960 --> 00:33:41.559 I didn't even really know this song, so that, that's a huge blind side for me. 00:33:41.879 --> 00:33:54.399 But like Looking back on the memory of the dance we shared beneath the stars above. 00:33:56.550 --> 00:34:02.170 For a moment, all the world was right. 00:34:04.060 --> 00:34:09.719 How could I have known, that you'd ever say goodbye. 00:34:10.419 --> 00:34:11.080 This is pitch perfect. 00:34:11.080 --> 00:34:14.730 And now, I'm glad I met you. 00:34:14.730 --> 00:34:16.816 Immediate chills, my god. 00:34:16.816 --> 00:34:22.553 The way it all, the way, that I left your chest. 00:34:22.553 --> 00:34:28.289 I could have missed the pain, but I had to miss. 00:34:47.090 --> 00:34:49.409 Like, this arrangement is crazy. 00:34:49.779 --> 00:34:50.469 It's perfect. 00:34:50.719 --> 00:34:52.003 That is a perfect arrangement. 00:34:52.003 --> 00:34:53.210 It's so beautiful. 00:34:53.259 --> 00:34:55.920 That is a perfect vocal performance. 00:34:57.180 --> 00:34:57.840 Sorry! 00:34:57.859 --> 00:34:59.250 I wonder if she won a Grammy for that. 00:34:59.420 --> 00:35:00.819 Because I think sometimes they can. 00:35:00.910 --> 00:35:03.140 It was so, so good. 00:35:03.869 --> 00:35:05.799 Garth and Trisha are both crying. 00:35:05.819 --> 00:35:06.789 Crying, yeah. 00:35:07.319 --> 00:35:08.909 It's just so wild. 00:35:08.990 --> 00:35:09.890 Like, God. 00:35:10.009 --> 00:35:14.815 And that's a nut, like, when she did With Trisha and Reba, the, for her 00:35:14.815 --> 00:35:16.975 Christmas album, like that as well. 00:35:17.194 --> 00:35:18.505 Oh, I don't know that one. 00:35:19.295 --> 00:35:21.875 Um, was it Oh Holy Night? 00:35:22.165 --> 00:35:22.734 Silent Night. 00:35:23.555 --> 00:35:24.654 Oh my gosh, I've never heard this. 00:35:24.735 --> 00:35:25.825 It's beautiful. 00:35:26.035 --> 00:35:27.214 Oh, I already love it. 00:35:27.254 --> 00:35:28.904 I love Trisha Yearwood's voice too. 00:35:29.615 --> 00:35:30.604 Kelly loves Trisha. 00:35:30.615 --> 00:35:33.475 She sings her praises at every opportunity. 00:35:39.375 --> 00:35:42.505 Kelly went on record and said that recording this album was her favorite 00:35:42.505 --> 00:35:44.214 project to date when she had released it. 00:35:44.215 --> 00:35:45.734 Cause she was like, they finally let me start. 00:35:46.370 --> 00:35:48.060 Sing and like creative direct. 00:35:48.100 --> 00:35:52.009 I had never been given any power And she needs to be given it more 00:35:52.130 --> 00:35:53.190 because this album is perfect. 00:35:53.850 --> 00:35:54.680 Look what comes of it. 00:35:54.680 --> 00:36:07.007 Yeah Trisha is that that's not real. 00:36:07.007 --> 00:36:16.865 I think that's trisha Yeah I need to listen to trisha yearwood She's beautiful. 00:36:16.875 --> 00:36:18.115 Her voice, beautiful music. 00:36:18.745 --> 00:36:20.904 And then Reba comes in with her Reba, naturally. 00:36:20.915 --> 00:36:21.465 Oh, let's just give it. 00:36:21.465 --> 00:36:21.895 Shalove. 00:36:27.964 --> 00:36:30.244 Reba has entered the chat, ladies and gentlemen. 00:36:31.794 --> 00:36:32.674 An icon. 00:36:32.934 --> 00:36:33.664 An icon. 00:36:33.954 --> 00:36:35.205 One of the best to ever do it. 00:36:35.355 --> 00:36:38.525 Kelly handed her seat on the bus to Reba when she moved to New York. 00:36:38.645 --> 00:36:39.734 She gave it to Reba. 00:36:39.765 --> 00:36:40.575 She said, you can have it. 00:36:42.345 --> 00:36:43.415 The grandmother of her children. 00:36:45.234 --> 00:36:46.245 Oh my god, right. 00:36:46.325 --> 00:36:47.395 Oh, that's right. 00:36:47.404 --> 00:36:53.330 She and Reba both suffered at the hands of The same fucking family of men. 00:36:53.810 --> 00:36:58.069 Speaking of Kelly Country, when Kelly had just started her, uh, television 00:36:58.069 --> 00:37:01.270 show, which started in the pandemic, and I was watching it because there was 00:37:01.270 --> 00:37:04.590 nothing to do, and like, even if there was, I'd watch it, so I don't know why 00:37:04.590 --> 00:37:09.890 I said that, but, um, she talked a lot about wanting to do like a supergroup 00:37:09.990 --> 00:37:12.350 album, specifically for the Country album. 00:37:12.370 --> 00:37:14.180 Oh, yeah, I wanted to talk about this note. 00:37:15.240 --> 00:37:19.569 She, she was asked at the time, she, I think was in the process of making, or 00:37:19.569 --> 00:37:23.409 no, she had made meaning of life and she had made the like Aretha soul pop album. 00:37:23.409 --> 00:37:24.330 And then everyone was like. 00:37:24.765 --> 00:37:28.435 is country next like we've been waiting your whole career for it and she kept 00:37:28.435 --> 00:37:31.694 saying I don't know I don't know and she's still to this day it's 2024 we 00:37:31.694 --> 00:37:35.824 don't have a country album from her yet she would say I think an interesting way 00:37:35.824 --> 00:37:40.024 to do it would be with a group of other women and she referenced other people 00:37:40.024 --> 00:37:44.084 that had done it in the past what ended up happening was so heartbreaking which 00:37:44.095 --> 00:37:48.775 is the high women came together the exact thing that Kelly is talking about happened 00:37:48.825 --> 00:37:52.174 and they didn't invite her or she wasn't in it I don't know what the story is 00:37:52.375 --> 00:37:56.255 but Maren Brandy And I can't remember. 00:37:56.255 --> 00:37:57.555 I think Amanda Shire. 00:37:57.815 --> 00:37:58.805 Yeah, and the other two. 00:37:59.165 --> 00:38:00.194 And the other two. 00:38:00.234 --> 00:38:01.305 I'm sorry, y'all. 00:38:01.465 --> 00:38:04.595 I listen to that album a lot, but like, Me too. 00:38:04.694 --> 00:38:07.364 It was within a year that that album had happened. 00:38:07.514 --> 00:38:11.324 And I was like, Did y'all hear Kelly say she wanted to do this? 00:38:11.324 --> 00:38:14.064 Because this would have been so much bigger if you had 00:38:14.144 --> 00:38:15.064 let her do this with you. 00:38:16.100 --> 00:38:20.350 And it's interesting because they've, they have some other artists that 00:38:20.350 --> 00:38:24.760 they feature on some of their tracks, like one of them being Yola, who 00:38:25.040 --> 00:38:27.049 everybody please get into Yola. 00:38:27.049 --> 00:38:33.509 She's unbelievable, incredible artist, but she's He is very much like folky country. 00:38:33.840 --> 00:38:35.640 Um, she has two albums out there. 00:38:35.790 --> 00:38:36.930 Spectacular. 00:38:36.930 --> 00:38:41.300 But I w I'm once I read that, I was like, I'm, I'm curious why they didn't at least 00:38:41.330 --> 00:38:44.569 ask her to be on a track with them, right? 00:38:44.580 --> 00:38:45.730 They have features. 00:38:45.810 --> 00:38:48.310 Oh, it's Natalie Hemby is the, is the fourth. 00:38:48.539 --> 00:38:49.279 Oh yeah, yeah. 00:38:49.279 --> 00:38:50.819 And like, it's just. 00:38:51.134 --> 00:38:56.424 It's so sad to me that I don't know why Kelly's name doesn't come up for 00:38:56.424 --> 00:39:00.885 this, maybe nowadays it would, but like, I'm sorry, but the Maren song, 00:39:00.935 --> 00:39:06.824 Old Soul on High Women, I mean, Maren's never done anything I hadn't liked. 00:39:07.154 --> 00:39:09.895 I love the Maren leads on the High Women. 00:39:11.135 --> 00:39:11.805 This is one of my favorite songs. 00:39:11.805 --> 00:39:14.984 He writes an incredible melody, just delicious. 00:39:16.009 --> 00:39:19.620 And then the like, super country one that she wrote, Loose Change. 00:39:20.299 --> 00:39:20.790 Do you know this song? 00:39:20.790 --> 00:39:21.230 Love it. 00:39:21.710 --> 00:39:21.950 Ugh. 00:39:22.100 --> 00:39:22.529 Yes. 00:39:24.359 --> 00:39:26.529 I'mma be rolling out of your pocket like Loose Change. 00:39:26.910 --> 00:39:27.090 Yeah. 00:39:27.509 --> 00:39:29.220 But I'mma be someone's lucky penny someday. 00:39:29.359 --> 00:39:30.439 She's a genius. 00:39:30.490 --> 00:39:32.479 This is to me like a Dolly Parton song. 00:39:32.940 --> 00:39:33.699 A hundred percent. 00:39:35.290 --> 00:39:37.680 It has that like bouncy, 60s quality. 00:39:38.109 --> 00:39:40.990 Kacey Musgraves has made music that sound like this on her first couple albums. 00:39:41.000 --> 00:39:41.450 Yes. 00:39:44.145 --> 00:39:45.325 It kind of sounds like Follow Your Arrow. 00:39:46.865 --> 00:39:51.404 Oh, God, how I love that song. 00:39:52.665 --> 00:39:53.275 This line. 00:39:53.275 --> 00:39:54.066 Period. 00:39:54.066 --> 00:39:58.023 I'm sorry, give her Brilliant. 00:39:58.023 --> 00:40:05.146 What award is available to be given for that? 00:40:05.146 --> 00:40:09.894 Give her a Mark Twain prize. 00:40:09.895 --> 00:40:11.275 Exactly, she needs to get to the Academy. 00:40:11.285 --> 00:40:12.435 Mark Twain prize. 00:40:12.980 --> 00:40:18.250 Okay, the one final hidden track that I really love in Kelly's discography 00:40:18.270 --> 00:40:22.470 is from an album that I did see her tour, but I didn't see her tour it 00:40:22.470 --> 00:40:23.929 because I, like, loved this album. 00:40:23.970 --> 00:40:27.529 Um, it's a song called Good Goes the Bye, which was the last song 00:40:27.590 --> 00:40:31.380 on Piece by Piece, which was an otherwise total missable album for me. 00:40:32.939 --> 00:40:37.455 I'm already loving it. 00:40:37.455 --> 00:40:41.409 Mmm. 00:40:42.870 --> 00:40:45.490 I really like production elements like this when it feels like 00:40:45.490 --> 00:40:48.089 sort of a feature on the song, like another artist on the song. 00:40:48.649 --> 00:40:49.910 Yeah, that's a good way to say it. 00:40:50.189 --> 00:40:51.199 I really like this. 00:40:56.550 --> 00:40:59.689 Why is this making me think like it's 2001 and this should be in 00:40:59.689 --> 00:41:01.890 like a Princess Diaries credit? 00:41:03.660 --> 00:41:06.200 Is Kelly Clarkson, like, the best credits writer we've ever had? 00:41:06.240 --> 00:41:07.120 She could be. 00:41:07.439 --> 00:41:08.910 She should be and she could be. 00:41:09.670 --> 00:41:10.759 We need more of that. 00:41:10.880 --> 00:41:11.710 We do. 00:41:11.789 --> 00:41:14.519 I want her to win an Oscar for best original song. 00:41:14.970 --> 00:41:16.049 I really want that for her. 00:41:16.079 --> 00:41:17.130 Yeah, why can't she? 00:41:17.140 --> 00:41:18.299 She definitely could. 00:41:19.040 --> 00:41:21.850 She can, I just need people to give her the job. 00:41:22.129 --> 00:41:23.310 She could get the next Bond song. 00:41:23.310 --> 00:41:27.910 It would need to be something like the Garth Brooks cover. 00:41:27.970 --> 00:41:32.959 It needs to be something like that beautiful because it needs to showcase 00:41:32.999 --> 00:41:38.210 like her talent which is being like an insanely gifted vocalist. 00:41:39.029 --> 00:41:42.670 And as you said she's a master interpreter so I think it 00:41:42.670 --> 00:41:44.319 actually could even be a cover. 00:41:44.460 --> 00:41:50.020 Like Her skill is almost giving people the contrast of here's what 00:41:50.020 --> 00:41:53.130 I heard and here's what you maybe know now I'm gonna interpret it. 00:41:53.160 --> 00:41:56.160 She has put out there that now that she's in New York that she wan I think she's 00:41:56.170 --> 00:41:57.500 already doing something with Broadway. 00:41:57.500 --> 00:41:58.560 Do you know anything about that? 00:41:58.569 --> 00:41:59.159 Is anyone talking about that? 00:41:59.169 --> 00:42:00.080 She's working. 00:42:00.089 --> 00:42:01.230 She's writing a musical. 00:42:01.390 --> 00:42:03.359 I mean, I think Yes! 00:42:03.359 --> 00:42:03.420 Yes! 00:42:03.560 --> 00:42:06.654 I think it would be I'm so curious to know more about it. 00:42:06.654 --> 00:42:11.365 I think if there's some pop girly I want writing a musical, it's Kelly Clarkson. 00:42:11.455 --> 00:42:14.305 I'd be curious to know if it's like all original stuff, if 00:42:14.305 --> 00:42:17.785 there's like some jukebox elements of like songs she's released. 00:42:17.785 --> 00:42:20.335 Sort of like the Alicia Keys musical that's about to come to Broadway. 00:42:20.335 --> 00:42:20.815 Everybody please. 00:42:20.819 --> 00:42:21.984 Or The Atlanta's amazing. 00:42:22.674 --> 00:42:26.875 Um, drew, thank you for coming back by Popular Demand. 00:42:27.105 --> 00:42:27.906 for having me! 00:42:27.906 --> 00:42:28.975 This is so fun. 00:42:28.975 --> 00:42:32.984 And we've already come up with three more topics in the course of today's episode, 00:42:32.984 --> 00:42:36.024 so I can't wait to have you back again. 00:42:36.425 --> 00:42:37.904 Back, back, back again! 00:42:38.065 --> 00:42:43.205 To play us out is what I hope I have found to be my favorite live recording of 00:42:43.205 --> 00:42:48.654 Behind These Hazel Eyes, when I believe Kelly raises the key for unknown reasons? 00:42:48.654 --> 00:42:49.665 Because she went crazy. 00:42:50.085 --> 00:42:51.865 It's 7am, it's another morning show. 00:42:51.990 --> 00:42:55.382 Seems like just yesterday you were up. 00:42:55.382 --> 00:42:58.289 I used to stand so tall. 00:42:58.289 --> 00:43:07.859 I used to be so strong Now I can't breathe No, I can't sleep I'm 00:43:07.860 --> 00:43:20.730 barely This guitar, oh, yeah Yeah, it's like out of tune I don't know 00:43:35.930 --> 00:43:36.560 Powerful. 00:43:37.260 --> 00:43:38.080 There's our girl. 00:43:38.770 --> 00:43:40.059 Till next time, y'all. 00:43:41.470 --> 00:43:41.850 See ya. 00:43:41.850 --> 00:43:42.159 Love y'all.