WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.009 Mr. Jethro Jones: Welcome to a Vision for Learning. 00:00:02.170 --> 00:00:05.200 I'm excited to have on the program today, Matt Choi, who's 00:00:05.200 --> 00:00:06.820 the founder of Career View xr. 00:00:06.850 --> 00:00:08.830 Matt, welcome to a Vision for Learning. 00:00:09.804 --> 00:00:10.435 Mr. Matthew Chaussee: Hey, thanks Jeff. 00:00:10.459 --> 00:00:11.340 I appreciate being here. 00:00:11.440 --> 00:00:11.740 Mr. Jethro Jones: Yeah. 00:00:11.745 --> 00:00:14.824 So, first, why don't you tell us what people should look forward 00:00:15.159 --> 00:00:16.929 to from our conversation today? 00:00:17.869 --> 00:00:20.179 Mr. Matthew Chaussee: I think some exciting speculation about what's 00:00:20.179 --> 00:00:22.464 coming in the world of learning. 00:00:22.504 --> 00:00:27.645 Bridging the gap between the digital world and the real world, and creating 00:00:27.645 --> 00:00:31.155 learning immersive learning spaces that have never been possible before. 00:00:31.155 --> 00:00:31.185 I. 00:00:31.704 --> 00:00:35.424 Mr. Jethro Jones: And you or someone who would know, tell us about what 00:00:35.424 --> 00:00:40.414 Career View XR is and and why you're someone who knows about this space. 00:00:41.629 --> 00:00:41.839 Mr. Matthew Chaussee: Yeah. 00:00:41.889 --> 00:00:44.854 So Career Vxr is we're an ed tech product. 00:00:44.884 --> 00:00:49.739 It is a library of immersive field trip and job shadow experiences that 00:00:49.739 --> 00:00:51.299 are all filmed in the real world. 00:00:51.609 --> 00:00:53.824 And we use 360 degree media filming. 00:00:54.619 --> 00:00:58.939 Real people performing real jobs in real environments to bring job sites 00:00:58.939 --> 00:01:04.854 into the classroom through standard devices like desktop, tablet, mobile, but 00:01:04.859 --> 00:01:07.434 also through virtual reality headsets. 00:01:07.494 --> 00:01:11.494 And hopefully soon augmented reality headsets like the Apple Vision Pro. 00:01:12.324 --> 00:01:12.774 Mr. Jethro Jones: Yeah. 00:01:12.854 --> 00:01:16.674 So I've I've known you for a while now and you've been on my other 00:01:16.674 --> 00:01:20.184 podcast, Transformative Principle, and one of the things that I really 00:01:20.184 --> 00:01:24.444 appreciated about our conversation today is where we kind of rift on this 00:01:24.444 --> 00:01:27.754 idea of creating a lab for anything. 00:01:28.384 --> 00:01:29.374 Wherever you are. 00:01:29.464 --> 00:01:35.794 And so I think that idea of being able to bring whatever you want 00:01:35.854 --> 00:01:40.135 to you is really powerful and it's gonna take a lot of coordination 00:01:40.135 --> 00:01:43.345 and collaboration between people to make those kinds of things happen. 00:01:43.345 --> 00:01:47.644 And it's really exciting what people are gonna come up with over time. 00:01:47.794 --> 00:01:51.794 So, I'll get to my interview with Matt here in just a moment. 00:01:52.858 --> 00:01:56.578 Jethro Jones: Matt, talk to us about how you see the Apple Vision 00:01:56.583 --> 00:02:01.228 Pro changing the landscape that you've been in for a while now. 00:02:03.713 --> 00:02:04.523 Matthew Chaussee: honestly I think. 00:02:05.393 --> 00:02:09.503 Apple Vision Pro and the inevitable chain of devices that are gonna be developed 00:02:09.503 --> 00:02:14.853 to mirror it are gonna, they're gonna change the landscape for how we engage 00:02:14.903 --> 00:02:19.543 with computers, how we engage with digital media just as much as the iPhone did. 00:02:19.573 --> 00:02:22.213 It's gonna take some time, I think for that to happen. 00:02:22.213 --> 00:02:28.553 But this era we're entering of spatial computing where you, when you have. 00:02:29.288 --> 00:02:30.338 Apple Vision Pro. 00:02:30.668 --> 00:02:33.098 You don't need a screen, right? 00:02:33.258 --> 00:02:34.938 It your screen can be a virtual one. 00:02:34.938 --> 00:02:37.008 You can have as many of them as you want. 00:02:37.348 --> 00:02:43.558 You can create a movie theater in your living room and tune out everything 00:02:43.558 --> 00:02:45.568 else that's around you visually. 00:02:45.618 --> 00:02:46.758 For as long as you want to. 00:02:46.758 --> 00:02:52.138 I mean, it's just it is, it's hard to speculate on what it will become. 00:02:52.618 --> 00:02:56.938 Because a lot of folks, I bet even a lot of folks at Apple don't even know what 00:02:56.938 --> 00:02:58.438 direction our developer's gonna take it. 00:02:58.468 --> 00:03:01.288 What do, what are the things that users are gonna come up with? 00:03:01.618 --> 00:03:04.488 It's gonna be a revolution in how we engage with digital media. 00:03:04.488 --> 00:03:04.518 I. 00:03:04.963 --> 00:03:07.753 Jethro Jones: I feel the same way and I feel like, right now the 00:03:07.753 --> 00:03:13.083 price is out of reach for a lot of people, certainly for schools for 00:03:13.083 --> 00:03:14.913 every kid to have one, of course. 00:03:14.913 --> 00:03:16.503 But like, that may not be the point. 00:03:16.508 --> 00:03:20.453 It may be an opportunity like when you do your stuff with career View 00:03:20.453 --> 00:03:25.853 xr, like not every single kid has a device in that situation, right? 00:03:25.853 --> 00:03:30.143 It's one at a time or a couple at a time and that's what. 00:03:30.168 --> 00:03:33.858 What makes it valuable is that individualized attention. 00:03:33.978 --> 00:03:35.003 Did I get something wrong there? 00:03:36.378 --> 00:03:38.543 Matthew Chaussee: No I think there's definitely value in 00:03:38.543 --> 00:03:40.543 that individualized piece of it. 00:03:40.543 --> 00:03:42.763 But there, I. 00:03:42.763 --> 00:03:47.498 I think that with immersive media, the delivery mechanism really depends on the 00:03:47.498 --> 00:03:49.478 outcomes that, that you're looking for. 00:03:49.478 --> 00:03:54.463 I mean, a platform like Career View XR can be viewed on standard devices, 00:03:54.583 --> 00:03:56.983 you know, non, non vr, non AR devices. 00:03:56.983 --> 00:04:01.588 It can also be viewed in immersive rooms like immersive me immersive 00:04:01.588 --> 00:04:05.068 realities, walk-in rooms that where you can engage in a space. 00:04:05.488 --> 00:04:09.268 But I think that the real differentiator was something like Apple Vision. 00:04:09.293 --> 00:04:15.903 Pro is, yes, it is a one-to-one device, but it's more than just a viewer. 00:04:15.903 --> 00:04:20.313 It is, it gives you an opportunity to interact with objects in your space. 00:04:20.493 --> 00:04:22.113 It's mixed reality. 00:04:22.113 --> 00:04:26.218 It's true mixed reality where the objects are within your space and it's kind of a 00:04:26.218 --> 00:04:32.528 convergence of the virtual world and your real world and that's something that just. 00:04:32.988 --> 00:04:36.563 You know, Microsoft had the HoloLens years ago, HoloLens two. 00:04:36.563 --> 00:04:40.393 They've kind of, pulled back on their work there and what Apple's doing 00:04:40.393 --> 00:04:45.113 with Apple Vision Pro is okay, it feels like light years ahead of where 00:04:45.113 --> 00:04:46.773 it had been even just a year ago. 00:04:46.773 --> 00:04:48.123 And I haven't even tried the thing yet. 00:04:48.123 --> 00:04:51.813 I've only seen the video that they put together, but the enhanced field 00:04:51.813 --> 00:04:54.263 of view all of those things it just. 00:04:55.043 --> 00:04:59.993 I get the sense that this is going to, this is gonna build the same 00:04:59.993 --> 00:05:05.903 sort of just passionate follower that's that the iPhone did. 00:05:06.008 --> 00:05:10.508 Jethro Jones: So you've been in this space with Career View XR for a while, so why 00:05:10.508 --> 00:05:16.208 do you feel like this is so different than like Medi Quest or whatever other 00:05:17.138 --> 00:05:19.388 things have been out there already? 00:05:20.828 --> 00:05:23.648 Matthew Chaussee: It's important to make a distinction between virtual 00:05:23.648 --> 00:05:26.438 reality and augmented or mixed reality. 00:05:26.688 --> 00:05:32.068 The initial versions of, you know, vibes, headsets, meta Quest headsets, those were 00:05:32.068 --> 00:05:38.313 all virtual reality where you are looking at a screen that is basically making 00:05:38.313 --> 00:05:40.113 you feel like you're someplace else. 00:05:40.423 --> 00:05:45.223 Now MedQuest three has really good pass through and there, and I believe Vi 00:05:45.408 --> 00:05:47.528 Vision Pro has passed through as well. 00:05:47.743 --> 00:05:49.808 And those devices they're great. 00:05:50.058 --> 00:05:50.628 For. 00:05:50.658 --> 00:05:54.608 Able to kind of see what's in your world and en engage with 00:05:54.728 --> 00:05:56.348 digital objects in your world. 00:05:56.618 --> 00:05:59.538 I think the biggest difference is they have their own they 00:05:59.538 --> 00:06:00.558 have their own ecosystem. 00:06:00.558 --> 00:06:06.098 They have their own devices, but Apple Vision Pro it is the Apple Store. 00:06:06.488 --> 00:06:08.198 All of your apps are accessible. 00:06:08.258 --> 00:06:12.878 The ones you already know aren't, can now be consumed in this immersive way. 00:06:13.278 --> 00:06:14.088 And I think that's the. 00:06:14.298 --> 00:06:18.798 Biggest differentiator right now is it's not a separate marketplace or ecosystem. 00:06:19.158 --> 00:06:23.718 It's an enhancement to Apple's already really strong ecosystem. 00:06:24.498 --> 00:06:28.538 Jethro Jones: That idea is really powerful and I want to stay there for just a moment 00:06:28.538 --> 00:06:33.158 because one of the things that I've we've been hearing about in the news recently 00:06:33.158 --> 00:06:38.258 is that certain apps like YouTube and Netflix are not going to have a Vision 00:06:38.258 --> 00:06:41.618 Pro compatible app on launch date. 00:06:41.618 --> 00:06:42.788 You can still use it in. 00:06:43.268 --> 00:06:46.088 Safari and so you can still access these things. 00:06:46.088 --> 00:06:51.638 But then there are other apps like the cooking app that I just love, where the 00:06:51.638 --> 00:06:58.678 developer is actively preparing a release for day one of the thing, the app's called 00:06:58.678 --> 00:07:04.818 Crouton and just looking at his stuff on threads, I can see what he's doing and how 00:07:04.818 --> 00:07:07.428 cool it's going to be to experience that. 00:07:07.428 --> 00:07:10.398 And like he even showed a quick little demo of. 00:07:11.023 --> 00:07:16.353 Walking through the steps of creating your meal in your kitchen and saying 00:07:16.353 --> 00:07:20.853 like, okay here's my counter and here's how big of a pan I need. 00:07:21.243 --> 00:07:25.413 What does that look like in my actual space, and how much is 00:07:25.418 --> 00:07:26.733 this actually going to make? 00:07:27.033 --> 00:07:30.213 Like, I don't know how far down that road he's gone 'cause he didn't show 00:07:30.213 --> 00:07:33.273 that or anything, but just that idea of. 00:07:33.823 --> 00:07:41.783 Like not even having the Vision Pro, let me just say this app has helped me be be a 00:07:41.783 --> 00:07:44.613 better cook because of how it's designed. 00:07:44.713 --> 00:07:48.038 That's not an insignificant thing, you know, and what this guy is 00:07:48.218 --> 00:07:51.248 dreaming up for, how it's gonna interact with the Vision Pro, I 00:07:51.248 --> 00:07:53.288 think is gonna be really amazing. 00:07:53.288 --> 00:07:56.858 I can't wait to see what that's like and what that feels like 00:07:56.858 --> 00:07:57.998 and what the experience is. 00:07:59.053 --> 00:08:02.203 Matthew Chaussee: It absolutely and as you know, AI tools get more and 00:08:02.203 --> 00:08:07.963 more developed and we've got 3D 3D animations and models that's, that 00:08:07.963 --> 00:08:11.183 are powered by AI technologies. 00:08:11.453 --> 00:08:15.953 Imagine now having a digital version of him who's standing in your space and is 00:08:15.953 --> 00:08:21.383 able to observe and help correct you as you might be making, not measuring things 00:08:21.383 --> 00:08:23.363 appropriately or using the wrong utensil. 00:08:23.363 --> 00:08:28.283 I mean, there's also, it's not there yet, but that is where it, it will 00:08:28.283 --> 00:08:31.343 get, I mean, we've all, we've seen the movies about, you know, the robot 00:08:31.343 --> 00:08:35.063 helper that's in your space that does the laundry for you, that sort of thing. 00:08:35.063 --> 00:08:37.253 And, you know, may maybe we'll get there too, but that's a 00:08:37.253 --> 00:08:38.783 big piece of hardware, right? 00:08:39.233 --> 00:08:41.783 Imagine now having something like that, but it's all digital 00:08:41.783 --> 00:08:43.553 and it's just presented to you. 00:08:43.698 --> 00:08:47.928 In an individualized way for the particular task that, that you're doing? 00:08:48.248 --> 00:08:49.658 I don't think we're that far off. 00:08:49.788 --> 00:08:50.748 From those sorts of things. 00:08:51.153 --> 00:08:52.203 Jethro Jones: Okay, so get this. 00:08:52.253 --> 00:08:55.793 One of my weaknesses that I really struggle with is 00:08:55.883 --> 00:08:57.623 fixing anything in my house. 00:08:57.683 --> 00:09:00.543 Like any mechanical thing I just suck at it. 00:09:00.553 --> 00:09:03.563 It's incredibly, emasculating, is that the word? 00:09:03.623 --> 00:09:06.173 Where it makes me feel like I'm not a man because I can't do it. 00:09:06.203 --> 00:09:09.533 Like it's just, Matt, lemme tell you, it is tough. 00:09:09.533 --> 00:09:10.973 So our washing machine broke. 00:09:11.333 --> 00:09:14.213 I ordered a part that I thought was gonna fix it. 00:09:14.213 --> 00:09:17.033 'cause I consulted with somebody and they're like, this is the part you need. 00:09:17.033 --> 00:09:22.553 I ordered it, it came, it was totally different from the part that, it was 00:09:22.558 --> 00:09:26.843 replacing, or that I thought it was replacing, and I was just so frustrated 00:09:27.023 --> 00:09:31.403 that I just said, okay, we're just gonna go buy a new washing machine, 500 bucks. 00:09:31.403 --> 00:09:34.193 Like it's worth it to not have to deal with this. 00:09:34.193 --> 00:09:37.823 We've already been without a washing machine for a week and a half now, for me 00:09:37.823 --> 00:09:40.123 personally, that's just my own weakness. 00:09:40.153 --> 00:09:40.543 Right? 00:09:40.963 --> 00:09:43.763 But then I was thinking like, what if. 00:09:44.933 --> 00:09:50.573 I put this headset on and I call this guy on Zoom and I say, you look at what 00:09:50.573 --> 00:09:55.253 I'm looking at and let's walk through this process together, and you tell 00:09:55.258 --> 00:09:59.363 me what to do and where to go and how to like do these different things. 00:09:59.873 --> 00:10:02.273 How incredibly powerful would that be? 00:10:03.113 --> 00:10:06.883 To like we, because this is all going back to that idea of the 00:10:06.883 --> 00:10:08.833 enhancement of the current offerings. 00:10:09.203 --> 00:10:14.433 Because Zoom, like I can have a Zoom call and point out what I'm doing. 00:10:14.733 --> 00:10:17.043 And what you don't get is you don't get depth. 00:10:17.163 --> 00:10:18.273 It's all flat. 00:10:18.513 --> 00:10:22.983 And with this, I imagine if I could, if I can point the cameras out and see 00:10:23.033 --> 00:10:27.013 what the person can see, what I see, instead of just seeing the superimposed 00:10:27.013 --> 00:10:28.498 face that Apple's gonna create. 00:10:29.803 --> 00:10:33.313 If they can see what I can see, that would be incredibly powerful 00:10:33.313 --> 00:10:35.683 to say, no, go two inches back. 00:10:35.923 --> 00:10:38.263 That's the screw that you need to unscrew. 00:10:38.573 --> 00:10:39.623 That's the part. 00:10:39.713 --> 00:10:44.993 And then being able to like look at that part and doing a search like, like you 00:10:44.993 --> 00:10:49.908 said with AI that says, okay, this is the part I see as we're doing this, I 00:10:49.908 --> 00:10:51.708 saw the model number for your washer. 00:10:51.708 --> 00:10:54.888 I see the part and I can go through this database and find 00:10:54.893 --> 00:10:57.318 that specific part and be able to. 00:10:57.668 --> 00:10:59.348 Show you exactly what you need. 00:10:59.588 --> 00:11:04.268 Then pull up a video saying, here's how you replace this thing on your 00:11:04.268 --> 00:11:06.398 specific model with your specific part. 00:11:06.398 --> 00:11:11.888 Like, oh my gosh, Matt, that's just mind blowing to think I might able be, might 00:11:11.888 --> 00:11:14.138 be able to repair things in my own home. 00:11:14.998 --> 00:11:17.458 Matthew Chaussee: And so take that even a step further, right? 00:11:17.458 --> 00:11:20.188 And watching, yeah, watching a video. 00:11:20.188 --> 00:11:20.998 That's one thing. 00:11:21.238 --> 00:11:24.628 But imagine the entire process can now be replicated in front 00:11:24.628 --> 00:11:26.908 of your eyes in three dimensions. 00:11:27.238 --> 00:11:28.198 What is, what? 00:11:28.588 --> 00:11:29.158 What's. 00:11:29.518 --> 00:11:34.498 Possible with these with spatial computing and this emergence of these 00:11:34.498 --> 00:11:39.268 new technologies is that bolt or that screw that you're pulling out, you 00:11:39.268 --> 00:11:43.318 can potentially tap on it and have it highlighted and it'll tell you. 00:11:44.033 --> 00:11:46.253 How do you get what size is the bolt? 00:11:46.283 --> 00:11:49.013 When you pull it out and set it down, where did you put it? 00:11:49.013 --> 00:11:49.133 That 00:11:49.133 --> 00:11:52.728 one of my achilles heels is, where the hell did I put the hardware 00:11:52.728 --> 00:11:54.768 that I pulled out of this thing? 00:11:55.048 --> 00:11:57.223 You know, granted you would have to, I. 00:11:57.448 --> 00:12:01.463 It would have to if you moved it when it wasn't in your view, you would lose it. 00:12:01.468 --> 00:12:04.948 But I bet they're working on a solution for those types things too. 00:12:05.368 --> 00:12:08.818 But you could watch the entire process fold out digitally 00:12:09.148 --> 00:12:11.998 before you even touched a tool. 00:12:11.998 --> 00:12:12.058 I. 00:12:12.533 --> 00:12:14.633 And yeah, that that's coming. 00:12:14.633 --> 00:12:18.143 It's already here in, in an industrial setting. 00:12:18.233 --> 00:12:21.403 There, there are workplace training programs, I believe that 00:12:21.403 --> 00:12:22.813 have been done through HoloLens. 00:12:23.153 --> 00:12:28.683 That's like Boeing Mechanics, being able to the intricate pieces and all of the. 00:12:29.393 --> 00:12:32.843 Fittings and things that go into aircraft maintenance, being able 00:12:32.843 --> 00:12:36.953 to watch and observe that, I mean, those types of things have already 00:12:36.953 --> 00:12:40.548 been done at an enterprise level and it's coming for consumers now 00:12:40.548 --> 00:12:40.908 too. 00:12:41.913 --> 00:12:42.203 Jethro Jones: Yeah. 00:12:42.478 --> 00:12:44.458 Matthew Chaussee: And that really, that's Apple's strength, right? 00:12:44.458 --> 00:12:48.808 Is taking that enterprise level, the things that have been for corporations 00:12:48.808 --> 00:12:51.348 and bringing it to the masses. 00:12:52.098 --> 00:12:52.518 Jethro Jones: Yeah. 00:12:52.798 --> 00:12:58.828 And the other thing that I was thinking about with with how they approach 00:12:58.828 --> 00:13:03.138 this is that they are opinionated about how they design their solutions. 00:13:03.138 --> 00:13:03.978 Apple is, right? 00:13:04.068 --> 00:13:07.508 And so they say like, this is how you need to use it and 00:13:07.508 --> 00:13:09.638 how it needs to be accessible. 00:13:09.638 --> 00:13:14.558 Whereas, by taking that stance, they're saying This is 00:13:14.558 --> 00:13:15.878 what we believe this is for. 00:13:15.883 --> 00:13:21.063 I saw a video the other day of Facebook's meta quest or Meta Quest 00:13:21.153 --> 00:13:27.433 three, having a video explaining what it could do and in a work 00:13:27.433 --> 00:13:29.713 environment, which they haven't really. 00:13:30.313 --> 00:13:35.223 Talked about a ton before and kind of in an answer to what what Apple is 00:13:35.223 --> 00:13:40.523 doing, which is pushing productivity as a main use for this device. 00:13:40.883 --> 00:13:43.463 And certainly there's a lot of consumption in there as well. 00:13:43.513 --> 00:13:45.613 But they're talking about, you know, adding keynotes on 00:13:45.618 --> 00:13:46.693 there and stuff like that. 00:13:46.743 --> 00:13:47.313 And. 00:13:47.598 --> 00:13:51.678 I'm curious to see how that works in practice and how, you know, the work 00:13:51.678 --> 00:13:56.468 that I do on a day-to-day basis, will that be easier or more difficult or what? 00:13:56.498 --> 00:14:02.708 And so I think about those types of things and how Apple's saying this is how we are 00:14:02.708 --> 00:14:07.808 pitching it, and how we're viewing people using it as productivity and what that 00:14:07.808 --> 00:14:10.478 means for the user and what they can do. 00:14:10.478 --> 00:14:13.838 So there are certain limitations that exist by design. 00:14:14.243 --> 00:14:16.883 Because they want it to be used in a certain way. 00:14:16.883 --> 00:14:17.153 What? 00:14:17.183 --> 00:14:18.833 What's your thought and take on that. 00:14:19.613 --> 00:14:23.683 Matthew Chaussee: I I think it's gonna be the same as we've got the iPhone camp and 00:14:23.683 --> 00:14:25.873 you've got the Android phone camp, right? 00:14:25.973 --> 00:14:30.323 Folks who love Apple products, they love that it is a little more closed off and 00:14:30.353 --> 00:14:33.353 they tell you here's how to best use it. 00:14:33.358 --> 00:14:38.143 Whereas the Android camp is more, I want to kind of choose my own destiny 00:14:38.143 --> 00:14:42.153 a bit more have more latitude with what we can do within, within, within 00:14:42.153 --> 00:14:43.833 the devices, within the platform. 00:14:44.053 --> 00:14:45.463 I think the same thing's gonna happen. 00:14:45.463 --> 00:14:50.083 I mean, Vive has their XR elites that has really great pass through, high 00:14:50.083 --> 00:14:52.123 resolution and does very similar. 00:14:52.123 --> 00:14:54.193 It's on an Android operating system. 00:14:54.443 --> 00:14:56.933 We're gonna have, we're gonna have the two camps, right? 00:14:56.963 --> 00:14:59.138 Mr. Matthew Chaussee: Apple's coming out with all of these. 00:14:59.483 --> 00:15:02.183 The design is quintessentially Apple. 00:15:02.333 --> 00:15:05.693 You look at it like, obviously that's an Apple device, right? 00:15:05.813 --> 00:15:06.233 But. 00:15:06.608 --> 00:15:11.408 Really it's gonna come down to the user and what their preferences are. 00:15:11.438 --> 00:15:14.958 I certainly don't think that the Vision Pro is gonna be the 00:15:14.958 --> 00:15:16.458 only headset people have there. 00:15:16.463 --> 00:15:18.798 There are other great headsets out there. 00:15:19.058 --> 00:15:20.318 MedQuest three is a good one. 00:15:20.318 --> 00:15:24.143 The Vi XR Elite is a phenomenal pa headset with pass through. 00:15:24.533 --> 00:15:27.163 But it's gonna come down to user preference ultimately, and I 00:15:27.163 --> 00:15:30.193 think it's gonna kind of fall into the two camps again, the 00:15:30.193 --> 00:15:31.723 Apple camp and the Android camp. 00:15:32.193 --> 00:15:32.643 Mr. Jethro Jones: Yeah. 00:15:33.333 --> 00:15:36.513 So I want to go back to something that you said before about this, you 00:15:36.513 --> 00:15:39.863 gave the example of Boeing Mechanics and learning how to do things. 00:15:40.103 --> 00:15:45.413 What's your perspective on how this will, this approach will impact 00:15:45.953 --> 00:15:50.773 learning opportunities, not just, you know, at a high industrial 00:15:50.773 --> 00:15:54.403 level like Boeing mechanics, but also on an individual basis. 00:15:54.553 --> 00:15:57.973 We started talking about that a little bit, but I want to go spend a 00:15:57.978 --> 00:15:59.323 little more time chatting about that. 00:16:00.778 --> 00:16:03.963 Mr. Matthew Chaussee: Yeah I mean, it's unprecedented, really, right? 00:16:03.963 --> 00:16:07.948 You can, when you have this ability to interact with digital objects 00:16:07.948 --> 00:16:13.028 in your space, you can create any number of more realistic simulations. 00:16:13.068 --> 00:16:14.568 I know we've got a, a. 00:16:15.098 --> 00:16:19.268 Company that we've worked, victory xr they've got a really great chemistry lab. 00:16:19.638 --> 00:16:23.893 That's, I mean, thinking about a chemistry lab, that's not just virtual reality, 00:16:24.193 --> 00:16:29.203 but imagine now that VR chemistry lab is augmented reality or mixed reality, where 00:16:29.203 --> 00:16:31.843 you can lay out everything on your actual. 00:16:32.533 --> 00:16:38.303 Not a virtual table in, in in a virtual space, but you have now it, and you 00:16:38.303 --> 00:16:41.738 know, you pour and it flows just like it normally would and you're engaging 00:16:41.738 --> 00:16:44.108 with it within your real world. 00:16:44.538 --> 00:16:48.558 I think it, it provides all kinds of opportunities to convert 00:16:48.828 --> 00:16:53.118 real world learning spaces into any sort of lab you might want. 00:16:53.118 --> 00:16:55.888 I remember the magic leap years ago. 00:16:55.918 --> 00:16:59.608 They had they were, they had all these advertisements and they were showing 00:16:59.613 --> 00:17:04.138 the whale jumping out of the gymnasium floor and splashing down, and I was 00:17:04.138 --> 00:17:05.188 like, oh my God, I want one of those. 00:17:05.188 --> 00:17:06.238 How can I buy AEM Magic Leap? 00:17:06.238 --> 00:17:06.388 I'm like. 00:17:06.913 --> 00:17:07.993 No, they don't. 00:17:08.043 --> 00:17:10.653 This, was a hype video that, that doesn't exist yet. 00:17:11.013 --> 00:17:16.163 Those types of that conceivably does exist with Apple Vision Pro. 00:17:16.168 --> 00:17:20.903 And inevitably the technologies that are gonna follow, I don't know if there's, 00:17:20.933 --> 00:17:22.703 there is syncing with those things yet. 00:17:22.703 --> 00:17:25.973 I think ultimately for classroom instruction, the ability to 00:17:25.973 --> 00:17:30.503 sync all of those things and you are doing an experiments and. 00:17:30.798 --> 00:17:35.298 All the, you've got these 3D models in front of you and everybody's vantage 00:17:35.298 --> 00:17:38.868 point is, it's as if that object was there in the real world, right? 00:17:39.258 --> 00:17:42.888 That's where it's gonna become incredibly valuable for education. 00:17:43.218 --> 00:17:47.868 But right now, I mean, if it's a school has one of these things, 00:17:48.108 --> 00:17:52.008 it's a student one-off doing their own thing as opposed to it being a 00:17:52.008 --> 00:17:53.658 collaborative classroom activity. 00:17:53.658 --> 00:17:55.378 And that's, it will get there. 00:17:55.378 --> 00:17:56.338 It absolutely will get there. 00:17:56.338 --> 00:18:00.238 There are already some really cool VR solutions that are doing that. 00:18:00.518 --> 00:18:03.488 And it's just a matter of time before that progresses into the 00:18:03.488 --> 00:18:05.138 augmented and mixed reality realm. 00:18:05.953 --> 00:18:07.723 Mr. Jethro Jones: Here's the next piece that I wanna talk about, 00:18:07.723 --> 00:18:12.553 because you, all these things are really cool ideas, but somebody has 00:18:12.553 --> 00:18:17.723 to make those right and somebody has to create all the models and all the 00:18:17.983 --> 00:18:19.693 graphics and all that kind of stuff. 00:18:20.593 --> 00:18:24.013 You've been doing this for a while with Career xr, so you know what it 00:18:24.013 --> 00:18:27.043 takes to create that kind of stuff. 00:18:27.093 --> 00:18:30.873 How challenging is that and is it going to become easier? 00:18:31.143 --> 00:18:35.793 Like is it just, is it going to be as easy as like filming these 00:18:35.793 --> 00:18:40.293 things with a vision pro on and then being able to just replicate that? 00:18:40.293 --> 00:18:44.368 Talk about the creation aspect of creating these types of experiences like. 00:18:45.053 --> 00:18:45.173 Mr. Matthew Chaussee: I. 00:18:46.138 --> 00:18:47.718 So it's a little bit of a mixed bag. 00:18:47.748 --> 00:18:53.368 Just we, early on we kind of saw the writing on the wall that the hardware is 00:18:53.368 --> 00:18:55.593 gonna continue to improve and improve. 00:18:55.983 --> 00:18:59.943 And we need to be really mindful to not create content that is 00:18:59.948 --> 00:19:02.703 tethered to one particular device. 00:19:02.753 --> 00:19:06.513 And our path forward with so I'll talk about career View XR as an example. 00:19:06.793 --> 00:19:09.403 And then we can kind of dive into to others. 00:19:09.503 --> 00:19:15.243 But we create 360 degree media that essentially is, it's not an 00:19:15.243 --> 00:19:19.023 interactive 3D object, it's an environment that you are within. 00:19:19.023 --> 00:19:22.413 So, when that's being accessed on a standard device, it's like 00:19:22.413 --> 00:19:25.203 a home virtual tour that you can spin the images around and you can 00:19:25.203 --> 00:19:27.423 navigate and you can tap on hotspots. 00:19:27.523 --> 00:19:32.173 When it's in a virtual reality space, it's a video that you are within and 00:19:32.233 --> 00:19:37.043 you are completely immersed in one location, observing what a career is like. 00:19:37.463 --> 00:19:39.773 Now we start to extend that to. 00:19:40.088 --> 00:19:42.513 To the augmented or mixed reality arena. 00:19:42.763 --> 00:19:45.733 The presentation of the content itself, it's still gonna be 00:19:45.733 --> 00:19:47.383 a video that you're within. 00:19:47.483 --> 00:19:50.843 You're not gonna be able to talk to the person that's in the video that we've 00:19:50.843 --> 00:19:54.533 created, but with a mixed reality. 00:19:54.653 --> 00:19:55.523 Device. 00:19:56.153 --> 00:19:58.553 Matt Chaussee: Think about the interface menu, right? 00:19:58.603 --> 00:20:01.633 It's, it is no longer, it doesn't have to be a flat screen that 00:20:01.633 --> 00:20:03.073 you're choosing what you pick. 00:20:03.283 --> 00:20:07.663 It could be a series of video orbs that are floating around your room, 00:20:07.668 --> 00:20:10.963 like the planets, and you decide, oh, I wanna bring that one over to me, and 00:20:10.963 --> 00:20:14.323 then I'm gonna put that one on and feel what it's like to be in this career. 00:20:14.693 --> 00:20:17.123 That there are so many it's not just. 00:20:17.123 --> 00:20:20.663 The content itself, it's how we engage and interact with the content. 00:20:21.083 --> 00:20:26.373 That is the huge differentiator when we start going into this mixed reality realm. 00:20:26.378 --> 00:20:30.183 It is digital content in your real world. 00:20:30.233 --> 00:20:32.953 And I think that the companies that are gonna do really well in 00:20:32.953 --> 00:20:36.663 that space, so the ones that are ready to like you talked about the. 00:20:36.703 --> 00:20:41.453 Cooking app where the developer is already figuring out, okay, how do we use spatial? 00:20:41.503 --> 00:20:46.633 Within this the companies that are thinking about platform agnostic content 00:20:46.638 --> 00:20:52.103 that transcends the various pieces of hardware that it's accessed on those 00:20:52.108 --> 00:20:56.993 are the ones that are gonna be doing the best in the next 3, 5, 7, 10 years. 00:20:57.743 --> 00:21:00.023 Mr. Jethro Jones: Yeah I think that's a really important point 00:21:00.023 --> 00:21:03.463 Also one thing that we can really. 00:21:04.648 --> 00:21:10.018 Draw from as a benefit from what Apple has done, is you've been able to, for 00:21:10.018 --> 00:21:17.008 years with your phone, see a thing in in augmented reality there in your space 00:21:17.248 --> 00:21:22.228 where you can like, you know, from their Apple store, you can buy a, get a monitor 00:21:22.278 --> 00:21:23.778 and see what it looks like in your space. 00:21:23.778 --> 00:21:26.708 And that's actually been pretty nicely done. 00:21:26.788 --> 00:21:30.148 I imagine, not a developer, but I imagine that they've probably done a 00:21:30.148 --> 00:21:33.958 lot of that heavy lifting for you, that if you say this is the model and these 00:21:33.963 --> 00:21:39.658 are the dimensions, then a lot of that, and you have a 3D rendering of it, a 00:21:39.658 --> 00:21:43.498 lot of the other stuff of what it looks like here is going to be taken care of. 00:21:43.498 --> 00:21:43.708 What? 00:21:43.978 --> 00:21:44.728 What do you think there? 00:21:44.743 --> 00:21:45.133 Mr. Matthew Chaussee: Yep. 00:21:45.188 --> 00:21:45.878 It absolutely. 00:21:45.878 --> 00:21:49.628 A 3D model is a 3D model, and as long as it's right in the right file 00:21:49.628 --> 00:21:52.868 format, it doesn't matter if you're viewing it through an AR app on a 00:21:52.868 --> 00:21:57.488 phone, or it's loaded into a virtual reality app and you're viewing it in 00:21:57.488 --> 00:22:01.958 v vr versus it's being placed on a table in front of you in augmented 00:22:01.958 --> 00:22:06.048 reality through through a wearable device like, like Apple Vision Pro. 00:22:06.498 --> 00:22:09.373 Really what's changed here is the, the. 00:22:09.373 --> 00:22:13.093 infrastructure, the idea of digital objects being positioned 00:22:13.093 --> 00:22:14.983 in space has been around for years. 00:22:15.403 --> 00:22:19.603 What Apple's doing is they're creating a new window to see into that. 00:22:20.658 --> 00:22:24.708 Mr. Jethro Jones: Definitely an area that I need to do more learning about. 00:22:25.018 --> 00:22:25.858 The other thing that I'm. 00:22:26.423 --> 00:22:32.483 That I'm thinking is when we sold our home in Fairbanks, Alaska, they used 00:22:32.483 --> 00:22:34.853 a Matterport camera, a 3D camera. 00:22:34.853 --> 00:22:36.053 Is that what you use also? 00:22:36.888 --> 00:22:39.018 Mr. Matthew Chaussee: We had looked at using Matterport early on. 00:22:39.048 --> 00:22:42.768 Matterport is a great solution for residential real estate tours. 00:22:42.798 --> 00:22:45.463 And they were actually early stage when we got started. 00:22:45.803 --> 00:22:49.673 We diverged from going down the real estate routes and really focusing 00:22:49.673 --> 00:22:52.133 more on telling immersive stories. 00:22:52.403 --> 00:22:55.373 So for what we do, our, ours is our. 00:22:56.138 --> 00:23:01.358 Arena is 360 video that has action going on within the scenes, whereas 00:23:01.358 --> 00:23:06.923 a Matterport camera is really more about scanning a a facility a building 00:23:06.973 --> 00:23:11.433 A home that said scanning with a camera like Matterport, 00:23:11.438 --> 00:23:12.783 that there's no reason that. 00:23:13.468 --> 00:23:16.588 The models that are created through that or through like an enhanced 00:23:16.588 --> 00:23:20.518 LIDAR scanner or the other hardware technologies that allow you to create a 00:23:20.523 --> 00:23:26.403 3D space there, there's no reason that digital media couldn't be brought into 00:23:26.463 --> 00:23:30.753 the environments that, that we view in a device like Apple, apple Vision Pro. 00:23:31.123 --> 00:23:32.563 I don't know how true this is. 00:23:32.563 --> 00:23:36.428 I, someone was telling me the other day that it was, I the. 00:23:37.258 --> 00:23:39.868 Notre Dame was scanned with Lidar. 00:23:39.868 --> 00:23:42.808 There was a 3D model that was created of it for the video game. 00:23:42.808 --> 00:23:45.088 I think it was Assassin's Creed, maybe 00:23:45.093 --> 00:23:49.633 that, that I am, this is like third or fourth hand, but, so someone's 00:23:49.633 --> 00:23:50.863 gonna have to fact check this. 00:23:50.868 --> 00:23:51.823 Ask asterisk. 00:23:52.333 --> 00:23:54.103 But being able to. 00:23:54.493 --> 00:23:57.903 Have a space like that, that then is used in the reconstruction of the 00:23:57.903 --> 00:24:00.003 cathedral, if it's that accurate. 00:24:00.483 --> 00:24:05.703 There are going to be things there, there's going to be digital tourism. 00:24:05.743 --> 00:24:11.413 I mean, being able to bring the cathedral into your home and feel like 00:24:11.413 --> 00:24:14.643 you're walking through it or a facet of 00:24:15.438 --> 00:24:15.728 It's. 00:24:16.663 --> 00:24:20.583 Put Michelangelo's painting of the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel 00:24:20.583 --> 00:24:21.873 on your living room ceiling. 00:24:22.133 --> 00:24:24.383 These are the kinds of things that are going to be possible. 00:24:24.383 --> 00:24:27.073 And it's funny 'cause we used to work in travel and tourism. 00:24:27.073 --> 00:24:31.303 We did a lot of 360 degree photography and video and travel and tourism. 00:24:31.603 --> 00:24:34.383 And there was a fear in the industry that, oh, if you do that, then 00:24:34.383 --> 00:24:36.093 people aren't gonna wanna come. 00:24:36.143 --> 00:24:37.853 And that's not the case at all. 00:24:37.853 --> 00:24:40.673 What happens is they get a taste of it and. 00:24:41.083 --> 00:24:44.023 You know, that someone who's really passionate about that 00:24:44.023 --> 00:24:48.163 space or that experience, they're gonna wanna go have it in person. 00:24:48.163 --> 00:24:51.143 It's just like, you know, if you love going to the Smithsonian, 00:24:51.143 --> 00:24:53.633 you don't go once and you're like, okay, I'm never gonna go again. 00:24:53.633 --> 00:24:54.773 I've been there, done that. 00:24:55.373 --> 00:24:57.263 You go again and again. 00:24:57.268 --> 00:25:02.513 And I think that there's a huge opportunity here to inspire interest in. 00:25:04.293 --> 00:25:08.813 A world of locations that we've never been able to get access to before. 00:25:08.813 --> 00:25:13.003 And do that as not just an immersive virtual reality space, 00:25:13.003 --> 00:25:15.803 but as change your window. 00:25:15.803 --> 00:25:17.933 I wanna look out my window and I wanna see Mount Everest 00:25:18.413 --> 00:25:19.223 in real time. 00:25:19.228 --> 00:25:20.783 I mean, those things are coming. 00:25:20.828 --> 00:25:21.248 Mr. Jethro Jones: Yeah. 00:25:21.588 --> 00:25:24.348 And in some ways they're already here. 00:25:24.408 --> 00:25:24.768 Right. 00:25:24.768 --> 00:25:27.768 And which is what you were saying before, that the Apple Vision Pro 00:25:27.773 --> 00:25:30.678 gives a new window to look at that. 00:25:30.728 --> 00:25:37.268 And so rather than having a live webcam view of something, you can 00:25:37.268 --> 00:25:42.758 literally take that live view and make it your entire surroundings. 00:25:43.058 --> 00:25:44.678 Which is just incredible. 00:25:45.293 --> 00:25:49.313 Now in theory you can, I don't know if that is possible just yet, or if 00:25:49.313 --> 00:25:55.113 somebody's gonna have a 360 camera live feed all the time that you can experience. 00:25:55.113 --> 00:25:59.973 But that would be a pretty amazing thing to see and experience and 00:25:59.973 --> 00:26:01.593 have as part of what you're doing. 00:26:02.143 --> 00:26:04.963 So Matt, we've just scratched the surface really here. 00:26:05.023 --> 00:26:08.413 And and obviously that you have a ton more information in your 00:26:08.413 --> 00:26:10.533 brain that you could share with us. 00:26:10.533 --> 00:26:14.903 But I appreciate you being here and and if somebody wants to get in touch 00:26:14.903 --> 00:26:17.783 with you about what you're doing, what's the best place for them to go 00:26:17.783 --> 00:26:20.123 to, to connect with you personally? 00:26:21.028 --> 00:26:25.678 Mr. Matthew Chaussee: Yeah, I go out to our website, www.careerviewxr.com. 00:26:25.728 --> 00:26:27.078 We've got a contact form. 00:26:27.083 --> 00:26:30.938 You can connect this out there or check out some free experiences. 00:26:30.938 --> 00:26:34.538 Also feel free to shoot me an email directly at MATT at. 00:26:34.543 --> 00:26:36.853 Career view xr.com. 00:26:36.883 --> 00:26:40.553 I'm happy to riff on any of this stuff with folks because I, 00:26:41.063 --> 00:26:42.653 this is all speculation, right? 00:26:42.653 --> 00:26:44.068 It's it's gonna be crazy. 00:26:44.098 --> 00:26:46.348 There are gonna be things that are gonna be happening that we can't 00:26:46.348 --> 00:26:49.888 even imagine and love having these conversations and also getting ideas 00:26:49.893 --> 00:26:54.188 for how do we make sure that the career view product stays stays on top of all 00:26:54.188 --> 00:26:54.608 this. 00:26:54.958 --> 00:26:55.258 Mr. Jethro Jones: Yeah. 00:26:55.438 --> 00:26:56.038 Very cool. 00:26:56.138 --> 00:26:58.718 Thank you so much for being part of a vision for learning, and it 00:26:58.718 --> 00:26:59.918 was great chatting with you today. 00:27:00.738 --> 00:27:00.948 Mr. Matthew Chaussee: Great. 00:27:01.338 --> 00:27:01.608 Thanks Darro.