1 00:00:00,032 --> 00:00:02,792 Unknown: When you download a song, and this is the most 2 00:00:02,792 --> 00:00:05,372 important part you have to understand. When you download a 3 00:00:05,552 --> 00:00:09,272 song, say Spotify. While that guy is riding around in his 100 4 00:00:09,272 --> 00:00:12,032 million dollar jet, that artist that sang that song is still 5 00:00:12,092 --> 00:00:15,332 struggling, working a nine to five at Starbucks. Yeah, that's 6 00:00:15,332 --> 00:00:16,172 what pisses me off. 7 00:00:18,512 --> 00:00:24,200 Welcome to a podcast about music and entertainment before it all 8 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:29,300 goes down the disposal. This is circling the dream. 9 00:00:31,820 --> 00:00:36,140 Welcome. I'm in yes indeed, folks, it is another edition of 10 00:00:36,140 --> 00:00:39,980 circling the dream. Yes, the podcast that features yours 11 00:00:39,980 --> 00:00:43,960 truly Jay Harper, but the real star of the show, always has 12 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,020 been, always will be, would be one. Johnny B, I thought it was 13 00:00:47,020 --> 00:00:48,280 Jim. John, well, 14 00:00:49,300 --> 00:00:52,480 oh gosh, you know what? I guess I messed that up again. 15 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:54,580 You forgot 16 00:00:55,660 --> 00:00:56,320 I was here today. 17 00:00:58,120 --> 00:00:58,480 We got 18 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:03,660 another j that we're going to get to. Here's we do second but 19 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:07,320 Johnny B, how are you? Man, I'm good. How are you? Jim Harper, 20 00:01:07,320 --> 00:01:11,820 doing fine with you without you for a while. I know. Boy. Boy, 21 00:01:11,820 --> 00:01:15,300 that sucked, didn't it? Well, that's what the audience said. 22 00:01:15,420 --> 00:01:19,740 We missed you. Yes, we did, but no. Man, we are enjoy. It's 23 00:01:19,740 --> 00:01:23,120 finally spring. So many of the these that we've done, you know, 24 00:01:23,180 --> 00:01:26,300 we have, like, snow flurries and all that mess. But here we are 25 00:01:26,300 --> 00:01:30,020 enjoying the nice spring weather. And yes, indeed. James 26 00:01:30,020 --> 00:01:33,860 Patrick McCarthy, also here I see, I love that. Now. I think 27 00:01:33,860 --> 00:01:36,500 that is such a fine name. Yes, it is good name, hopefully in 28 00:01:36,500 --> 00:01:40,660 the news for good things. Yeah, James, you know, every serial 29 00:01:40,660 --> 00:01:44,260 killer. I'm telling you three names, three names, yeah, James 30 00:01:44,260 --> 00:01:45,940 Patrick or chop shop. 31 00:01:49,180 --> 00:01:53,680 Yes. That voice. You just heard our guest, one of our guests. 32 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,680 Hopefully we'll have another one join us here shortly. But 33 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,800 nonetheless, we are excited to welcome this gentleman, Jared 34 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:05,520 Rogers, in our studio here today, making the track now 35 00:02:05,580 --> 00:02:10,860 Jared is a studio audience. Yeah, I like them. Jared a multi 36 00:02:10,860 --> 00:02:16,500 talented guy that has, well some some interesting background, 37 00:02:16,500 --> 00:02:20,900 What? What? What I do know is rather interesting. First of 38 00:02:20,900 --> 00:02:26,420 all, Dr Jared Rogers, yes, I forget about that, among other 39 00:02:26,420 --> 00:02:32,000 things. But, but music, though, your passion, I mean that Rogers 40 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:35,000 last name, we'll get to that here in a little bit. But 41 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:40,040 nonetheless, a passion for music that I'm guessing you've kind of 42 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:41,320 had your entire life. 43 00:02:42,580 --> 00:02:45,340 You know, I was fortunate to be surrounded by music my entire 44 00:02:45,340 --> 00:02:48,520 life. You know, whether it was from my uncle Kenny or my mom 45 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:52,960 working in the industry with Tanya Tucker, Lori Morgan, one 46 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:54,340 of the greats, Joe Diffie, 47 00:02:55,420 --> 00:03:00,720 right? Come on, guys. And so, you know, for me growing up. It 48 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,600 was just, it was interesting, because I never really looked at 49 00:03:03,660 --> 00:03:07,620 musicians as, you know, how much work time they put into their 50 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,920 their craft. And so I just thought these guys woke up on a 51 00:03:10,920 --> 00:03:13,320 Saturday morning and went out and jammed and came home and, 52 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,500 you know, went to baseball games. So, you know, yeah, I've 53 00:03:16,500 --> 00:03:19,560 been surrounded by the music industry my entire life, and I 54 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:21,980 think that's why my mom wanted me to be out of the music 55 00:03:21,980 --> 00:03:24,980 industry, because we were hanging out with people like 56 00:03:24,980 --> 00:03:28,580 cool people like Dave Fowler and our producer, Kent wells and 57 00:03:28,580 --> 00:03:33,560 things like that. But then being around Kenny Rogers, my my 58 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:34,520 growing up, 59 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:40,540 man. I mean, you just kind of obtain a love for this, for this 60 00:03:40,540 --> 00:03:44,260 game, for the storytelling, for the songwriting, for being on 61 00:03:44,260 --> 00:03:47,440 stage, the whole presence, you just kind of jump on it. And 62 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:51,940 then, of course, John Barry, there, right there. Oh yeah, 63 00:03:51,940 --> 00:03:53,260 look at that guy. Yeah, 64 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,920 there's our man. John. John Barry got it to log in. 65 00:04:02,740 --> 00:04:04,140 Where's your Georgia gear, man, 66 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:11,760 do you have your your Georgia gear? But, like, he might, yeah, 67 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,760 he might. What's that? Where's your Georgia gear? Where's your 68 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:15,480 Georgia hat? 69 00:04:16,500 --> 00:04:17,040 Oh, 70 00:04:18,300 --> 00:04:22,040 I'm working in the yard. I'm wearing my Franklin Graham 71 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:27,860 Samaritan's Purse work shirt. All right, well, we won't hold 72 00:04:27,860 --> 00:04:29,720 the not wearing Georgia against you today. 73 00:04:32,540 --> 00:04:36,560 So John Jay Harper, here, you know you and I have Yeah, you 74 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:40,420 know we've come in contact on a couple of occasions. You were 75 00:04:40,420 --> 00:04:44,800 kind enough to join me on WT end here a while back for for a full 76 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,740 hour to talk about various things. And of course, I've seen 77 00:04:47,740 --> 00:04:51,220 you at a number of different shows and whatnot. We've got 78 00:04:51,220 --> 00:04:54,580 Jared in the studio here on our circling the drain Podcast. I'm 79 00:04:54,580 --> 00:04:59,260 joined by Johnny B Johnny Bozeman, who you may recall was, 80 00:04:59,440 --> 00:04:59,920 you know, he. 81 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:05,160 Phil Valentine were quite the team. And, yeah, so again, you 82 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,620 know, we've got Jared here to talk about a whole variety of 83 00:05:07,620 --> 00:05:11,640 things, and we'll get to more of what Jared has got in store. But 84 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,280 one of the reasons, and thank you so much for giving us a 85 00:05:14,280 --> 00:05:17,040 little bit of your time, one of the reasons we wanted to have 86 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:22,160 you join us was to kind of give us the skinny on this fine duet 87 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:26,960 that you and Jared have put together, and it's a fabulous 88 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:28,700 song that Jared wrote. 89 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,660 Can you? Can you tell us how the 90 00:05:33,860 --> 00:05:38,060 this duet, this pairing, this teaming up with Jared, came 91 00:05:38,060 --> 00:05:40,340 about for this particular song? 92 00:05:41,540 --> 00:05:45,040 Well, Jared sent me several songs that were on the project 93 00:05:45,220 --> 00:05:48,520 that he was going to record, and this one just stood out, you 94 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:52,480 know, and so I was thrilled to be able to go do it and sing it 95 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:56,260 with him. And he did a great job writing it and great production. 96 00:05:56,260 --> 00:05:58,840 And it came out really nice. I was real thrilled to be a part 97 00:05:58,840 --> 00:06:04,140 of it. Yeah, yeah. Came out nice is certainly an understatement. 98 00:06:04,140 --> 00:06:08,520 Now, how long I'm guessing you've known Jared and Tina 99 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:12,540 Rogers for a while? I mean, how long have Have you known these, 100 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:16,620 these fine folks, just a couple of years? You know, we they've 101 00:06:16,620 --> 00:06:21,260 got the venue over there. More Middle Tennessee, Eastern Middle 102 00:06:21,260 --> 00:06:25,340 Tennessee. We've gone and played over there a couple of times and 103 00:06:25,580 --> 00:06:29,300 and done a few things with them and, and so just past couple of 104 00:06:29,300 --> 00:06:31,880 years, we've gotten to know each other. Yeah, well, again, you 105 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:37,160 know, I've seen you there at americanaville, the fine venue 106 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:40,600 there in Livingston. You know, seen you perform there, and you 107 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:44,080 know, you and your Christmas shows have certainly gotten to 108 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:49,540 be just absolutely phenomenal. I mean, of all the wonderful 109 00:06:49,540 --> 00:06:51,640 things that you've done, I mean, you know, you've had number one 110 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:56,200 songs and so on and so forth. But I mean that your Christmas 111 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:59,080 performances, your Christmas albums and stuff. I mean, 112 00:06:59,080 --> 00:06:59,680 really, 113 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:04,500 would you say that in one respect, that's kind of become 114 00:07:04,860 --> 00:07:08,700 kind of your, your thing, I mean, and what you have kind of 115 00:07:08,700 --> 00:07:12,480 become known for to a large degree, and I'm perfectly fine 116 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:16,320 with that. Matter of fact, I was in an interview about two weeks 117 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:19,800 ago, and gentlemen asked me. He said, You know if, if your 118 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,820 legacy is, is singing, oh holy night and doing a Christmas 119 00:07:22,820 --> 00:07:27,020 tour. If that's, if that's what it's going to be, are you okay 120 00:07:27,020 --> 00:07:29,600 with that? Like, like, there's something wrong with it. I guess 121 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:33,740 I said, you know, if my legacy is singing songs about Jesus 122 00:07:33,740 --> 00:07:39,200 being born, Sign me up. Yeah, right. I'm good. Yeah. I'll tell 123 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,860 you one of my favorite things when I, when I, I first worked 124 00:07:41,860 --> 00:07:44,740 with John. I was running sound for him at the americanaville 125 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:49,240 Christmas show. And I don't get nervous too often, you know. But 126 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:52,420 when he walked in, I was like, daggone, this dude's voice is 127 00:07:52,420 --> 00:07:56,080 just the best. And so when he walked in, I was like, Please, 128 00:07:56,080 --> 00:08:00,840 God, don't let me screw this up. And so he you didn't. Oh, I 129 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:03,660 appreciate it, man, he ended up, I ended up working with him 130 00:08:03,660 --> 00:08:06,600 again at this he did a free event for the people in Gallatin 131 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,720 and and, man, I mean, he just got up there and rocked it out. 132 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:11,940 But I'll tell you what I love about his Christmas show. I'll 133 00:08:11,940 --> 00:08:15,120 tell you what I love about John is you can go in there and you 134 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:19,560 can talk music all day with him, and then in two seconds you can 135 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:23,420 turn around and talk about God all day, and he's happy to talk 136 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,420 about both with you. And I'm, I'm a very spiritual man, so I 137 00:08:26,420 --> 00:08:29,660 love talking about music. I love talking about God, but having 138 00:08:29,660 --> 00:08:34,760 John there to say, you know, God, first, God will provide and 139 00:08:34,820 --> 00:08:38,120 and then he comes up there and just rocks the stage out, you 140 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,600 know? And he's, he's, he's open about talking about God, he's 141 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:44,440 open about talking about a story. That's, that's a presence 142 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,560 that you look up to, I look up to John Barry, and that's, 143 00:08:47,560 --> 00:08:51,340 that's somebody that you look at and you say, this guy right here 144 00:08:51,580 --> 00:08:56,020 is a legend because of who he is, not just what he does in the 145 00:08:56,020 --> 00:08:58,660 music, but who he is as a character. And that's what I 146 00:08:58,660 --> 00:09:00,780 love about that guy right there. As soon as you got on the 147 00:09:00,780 --> 00:09:03,780 camera, I was like, there's my guy right there. I just, I love 148 00:09:03,780 --> 00:09:05,820 that guy. Well, I felt the same way I 149 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:11,280 was Johnny B here, John. But back in 1986 I played this 150 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:14,280 place, because back when I was playing music, I played this 151 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:17,280 place called the J and J center. I think it was on commerce 152 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:22,340 Street in Athens, Georgia and and I was there for two nights, 153 00:09:22,340 --> 00:09:26,720 and like, the next morning, I found this music paper, and it 154 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,540 had an interview with you. I wish I could remember, I think 155 00:09:29,540 --> 00:09:32,660 the name of the paper was live or something like that, but it 156 00:09:32,660 --> 00:09:35,120 had an interview with you, and this is before you, of course, 157 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:38,540 you came to Nashville, but that interview really, really 158 00:09:38,540 --> 00:09:41,060 impressed me. And when you came to Nashville, like when you 159 00:09:41,060 --> 00:09:44,260 started getting national prominence, I knew that was 160 00:09:44,260 --> 00:09:47,080 going to happen just off that interview. I thought that 161 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:50,800 interview was so classy, I appreciate that. Yeah, had a lot 162 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:53,920 of fun playing in Athens, and I played, I played clubs there for 163 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:57,700 about eight years and and saw a lot of people come and got a 164 00:09:57,700 --> 00:09:59,920 matter of fact, I run into college graduate. 165 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,360 University of Georgia graduates all over the world whenever I go 166 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:07,500 out play. So I'll be singing a song and in Utah, and I'll look 167 00:10:07,500 --> 00:10:11,400 out every somebody wearing a UGA shirt. How cool is that? Well, I 168 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:11,640 love, 169 00:10:13,260 --> 00:10:16,980 yeah, it's a great town, and a lot of fun to play there. A lot 170 00:10:16,980 --> 00:10:20,360 of great people came through, or part of my life in Athens and 171 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:24,020 and I married a sweet girl as Athens girl, Robin. And I've 172 00:10:24,020 --> 00:10:27,500 been married for coming up on 38 years and, and Athens a 173 00:10:27,500 --> 00:10:30,980 wonderful town and, and miss living there. And who know, we 174 00:10:30,980 --> 00:10:34,040 may, we may end up back there one day. So I don't blame you. 175 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:36,320 I'd kind of like to go there. You know, John, I was born 176 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,180 there. I was born in Athens. 177 00:10:39,260 --> 00:10:42,940 And usually, I was usually, when I say that, people look at me, 178 00:10:42,940 --> 00:10:43,900 they're like, grease. 179 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:49,180 It was definitely, it was definitely Georgia and so, you 180 00:10:49,180 --> 00:10:50,320 know, Go Dogs, right? 181 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:56,080 Yeah, I tell you, Jared, one of the coolest things that ever 182 00:10:56,080 --> 00:11:00,040 happened in my career is getting to know your uncle, Kenny. Oh, 183 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:04,320 yeah, and and Kenny was really a kind man. He was really kind to 184 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:09,540 me. And when they ended up having that wonderful event at 185 00:11:09,540 --> 00:11:15,360 his farm there that was a classic, classic weekend as a 186 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:20,120 sports and music weekend, and some of these guys showed up 187 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:23,660 that I they showed up at the club for a couple of nights, and 188 00:11:23,660 --> 00:11:26,840 and I didn't know who they were, and I got to know him, and and 189 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,900 they were, they worked with Kenny, and they were working on 190 00:11:29,900 --> 00:11:33,200 the classic weekend, and then they had talked to Kenny, and 191 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:37,160 they invited me to come and be a part of that weekend and to 192 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:41,860 play, kind of after dinner, kind of, we put on a Show, and it was 193 00:11:41,860 --> 00:11:44,980 a lot of fun. And, and Kenny had me do that a couple of years, 194 00:11:44,980 --> 00:11:48,820 and he was always very nice, and, and one of the greatest 195 00:11:48,820 --> 00:11:52,780 things that happened we were we were recording a Christmas album 196 00:11:52,780 --> 00:11:56,440 called My heart is Bethlehem. And we recorded, We Three Kings 197 00:11:56,440 --> 00:12:00,480 and me and my guest, Billy Dean, was singing. My friend Billy was 198 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:04,080 singing on it. And we found out Kenny was down the street 199 00:12:04,260 --> 00:12:08,760 working on an album, and we sent a note to him. Said, Hey, if 200 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,340 you're available, we're recording. We Three Kings. We'd 201 00:12:11,340 --> 00:12:16,260 love to have you come and sing with me and Billy. And a couple 202 00:12:16,260 --> 00:12:19,320 hours later, the door opens up and Kenny comes walking in. How 203 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,700 cool is that? Oh, man, he came and sang. Came and sang on We 204 00:12:22,700 --> 00:12:26,360 Three Kings. It was pretty cool. That is all you I'm gonna have 205 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:30,740 to get a copy of that recording. I'll get you one. What. What an 206 00:12:30,740 --> 00:12:35,960 unmistakable voice. And he was a very kind he was he was a 207 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,680 superstar. He was just a country movie star. He was a superstar, 208 00:12:39,860 --> 00:12:43,600 but he was just as kind as you would hope somebody like that 209 00:12:43,660 --> 00:12:46,360 would be. You know, it's funny, because I was there at the 210 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:50,620 classic week. I was there and I was, I was six years old. I was 211 00:12:50,620 --> 00:12:55,420 six years old, and I was not, not trying to toot my horn over 212 00:12:55,420 --> 00:12:55,780 here. Guys 213 00:12:56,980 --> 00:13:00,180 rub it in. I walk in there, and there's a guest house in the 214 00:13:00,180 --> 00:13:04,380 back. And, you know, he had a full NBA court brought into his 215 00:13:04,380 --> 00:13:07,200 barn so they could play basketball. And I walked down 216 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:11,640 these stairs of this guest house, and downstairs a bunch of 217 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:16,080 guys are playing Nintendo, and it was Larry Bird and Michael 218 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:19,260 Jordan. And was it magic? Johnson? Was he there? Wow, 219 00:13:19,560 --> 00:13:23,300 okay, I remember Michael Jordan and Larry Bird, and these guys 220 00:13:23,300 --> 00:13:26,720 are just sitting here playing Mario on Nintendo and hanging so 221 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:28,460 I got to hang out with them for a few and 222 00:13:29,900 --> 00:13:33,680 sparkly. Was there? Was he? Oh, my God, I couldn't get past 223 00:13:33,680 --> 00:13:34,400 Michael Jordan. 224 00:13:36,680 --> 00:13:40,480 But yeah, it was, it was crazy. And I know that. I know that you 225 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:41,800 were playing there so, 226 00:13:42,940 --> 00:13:45,700 but that would have been, I was probably sitting there watching 227 00:13:45,700 --> 00:13:50,440 you play, and I was, yeah, it was, it was, it was great, man. 228 00:13:50,680 --> 00:13:53,200 But it's funny how, it's funny how life just brings you in a 229 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:56,500 circle. Because, you know, you knew my uncle and and now here 230 00:13:56,500 --> 00:14:00,040 you are just like helping me and jumping on my album. It's just, 231 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,900 it's just funny how that works. And I couldn't be more thrilled 232 00:14:04,020 --> 00:14:06,960 to have sing a song with you, man, I was just, that was just 233 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:10,440 incredible. We went into the studio and and he walks in, and 234 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:13,620 he doesn't, he doesn't come in, like, you would think a country 235 00:14:13,620 --> 00:14:17,040 music star will walk in. He just walks in casual. He's just like, 236 00:14:17,940 --> 00:14:21,180 all right, man, let me jump in there and let's get this done. 237 00:14:21,180 --> 00:14:24,260 And so I was like, I was like, All right, cool. So he jumps in 238 00:14:24,260 --> 00:14:28,640 the booth, and he tries a bunch of different things. And this is 239 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:32,420 what I learned the most from John in the studio, is he tries 240 00:14:32,420 --> 00:14:35,660 something and then he'll try something else, and he'll be 241 00:14:35,660 --> 00:14:38,660 like, I like that first one better. So they just scratched 242 00:14:38,660 --> 00:14:41,860 the second one, and, and, and, but he tries different things, 243 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,400 and nobody questions it. They just roll the tape, and when 244 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,400 he's done, we just pick out the best one. But he just gives you 245 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:52,480 different options. And he did this thing leading into the solo 246 00:14:53,140 --> 00:14:58,780 where he jumped in and he belted this, this, this, this line, and 247 00:14:58,840 --> 00:14:59,920 I would have never thought about. 248 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,360 It, but man, it sounded good. And I was just like, yeah, and 249 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:06,360 Kent looks at me, and he goes, and that's how legends do it, 250 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:06,720 right there. 251 00:15:08,220 --> 00:15:12,600 Well, I'm glad you like, I'm not a real ad lib singer, and so I'm 252 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:16,020 glad you, I'm glad you liked what we got there. But it was a 253 00:15:16,020 --> 00:15:18,120 lot of fun. And you know, usually, 254 00:15:19,620 --> 00:15:23,540 your uncle, Kenny used to say that his best take was his first 255 00:15:23,540 --> 00:15:27,740 take or second take. Man, I gotta get I gotta get in my 256 00:15:27,740 --> 00:15:32,720 first or second 100th take to finally lock. Kenny just had 257 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:35,480 that gift of singing it, and it just comes out of him, and it 258 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:39,380 was just right. It just takes me a long time to sink in to make 259 00:15:39,380 --> 00:15:42,820 it right. But I'm glad you got a couple of ad lib lines there 260 00:15:42,820 --> 00:15:46,960 that worked for you. I did, and I've got some cool video and the 261 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:51,700 whole song just, it's the song. When you came on it, the song 262 00:15:51,700 --> 00:15:54,940 was full like that. At that moment, it's like, that's a 263 00:15:54,940 --> 00:15:58,840 song. Now, you know, so that was fantastic, man, I appreciate you 264 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:02,700 so much, man, you and Robin both are just just awesome gifts to 265 00:16:02,700 --> 00:16:07,260 be in my life. Man, I love it. I appreciate that. And then, of 266 00:16:07,260 --> 00:16:10,140 course, Brian, Brian, we tolerate Brian, right? 267 00:16:12,180 --> 00:16:15,000 He's a good guy. He is a good guy. He is a good guy. I got to 268 00:16:15,300 --> 00:16:18,420 you guys. I saw John the other day. He came out for an autism 269 00:16:18,660 --> 00:16:23,060 an evening. What was an evening for autism, yes, and I had 270 00:16:23,060 --> 00:16:26,840 donated my time and to do videography that night, so I'm 271 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:31,160 there with the camera, and John walks in casual as ever, you 272 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,040 know, just, just walks in the back door, and he's like, Hey, 273 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,440 man, what are you doing? Gives me a hug, walks right around to 274 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:37,820 the stage. He's like, What am I going on? 275 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:42,820 But he comes up there and he puts on a show, and he's funny. 276 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,820 He's funny. There was this guy. He goes, Uh, he said, If John 277 00:16:45,820 --> 00:16:49,060 will get up there and sing this next song on the saddle that was 278 00:16:49,060 --> 00:16:52,960 sitting there, he'll donate 1000 bucks. Well, John, being John, 279 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:54,580 he called him out from stage. 280 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,000 And he goes, Is this a real thing? Because he's like, I'm 281 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,040 not scared. I'll get on that thing right now and I'll sing 282 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:03,300 the next song on the saddle, and the guy gets kind of backed out 283 00:17:03,300 --> 00:17:06,180 a little bit. He goes, Okay, I guess no more money for charity. 284 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:10,200 I got that on film, by the way. 285 00:17:12,120 --> 00:17:13,320 Yeah, so they're 286 00:17:14,580 --> 00:17:17,280 gonna donate to the calls I sing upside down. 287 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:21,980 Well, having a son that's autistic, man, I appreciate 288 00:17:21,980 --> 00:17:25,880 that. So that was fantastic, but I'm looking forward to hanging 289 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:28,880 out with you again. And you know, just being able to keep 290 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:33,260 learning from you, that was the biggest gift for me. Well, 291 00:17:33,260 --> 00:17:38,060 maybe, maybe get this, get this album, mountain, and do a live 292 00:17:38,060 --> 00:17:40,540 performance and come singing with you. Oh, man, 293 00:17:41,860 --> 00:17:43,900 okay, okay, 294 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:48,580 yeah, you don't have to twist his arm. Yeah, seriously, man, 295 00:17:48,580 --> 00:17:49,960 you really had to force me into that 296 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:55,120 one. Well, John, one of the things I have come to know about 297 00:17:55,120 --> 00:17:59,560 you is, in we've already had examples of it is your is your 298 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:04,260 charitable heart. I mean, you really step up to the plate when 299 00:18:04,260 --> 00:18:09,120 it comes to to helping those whether they be less fortunate 300 00:18:09,360 --> 00:18:13,080 from a financial standpoint or a health issue or what have you. 301 00:18:13,380 --> 00:18:17,040 Now, I'm sure that in many ways, perhaps you can relate. You have 302 00:18:17,100 --> 00:18:21,800 certainly faced your health challenges that that you you 303 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:25,880 have overcome. I mean, so you look fantastic, man. How are you 304 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:30,200 feeling these days? I'm doing good. And you know, when it 305 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,600 comes to doing things and working with charities and 306 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:36,380 things, if it's something that we feel that my being a part of 307 00:18:36,380 --> 00:18:39,920 will really have any kind of impact, I'm really willing to do 308 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:43,540 that. I don't want to waste the charity's time or mine. I want 309 00:18:43,540 --> 00:18:46,420 to be sure it's something that really works, that's good for 310 00:18:46,420 --> 00:18:50,500 them and but I'm more than willing to do it, because I've 311 00:18:50,500 --> 00:18:56,380 been on the I've been on the receiving end of benefits. They 312 00:18:56,380 --> 00:18:59,860 threw a huge benefit when I was recovering from cancer. 313 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:04,260 Artists friends kept calling my manager, Brian, saying, What can 314 00:19:04,260 --> 00:19:06,900 we do to help? What can we do to help? And I was really kind of 315 00:19:06,900 --> 00:19:09,840 hesitant about doing it. And then we decided that we would go 316 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:14,280 ahead and do it and let some of the proceeds go to music Health 317 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:18,840 Alliance, wonderful organization that helps helps people in the 318 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:24,380 industry navigate health insurance and getting those 319 00:19:24,380 --> 00:19:29,000 health needs covered. And so we put the we put the event, they 320 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:33,200 put the event together, and we were able to write a big check, 321 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:37,580 big check for to music Health Alliance to help the work that 322 00:19:37,580 --> 00:19:38,540 they do help, 323 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:44,740 help their music continue, their work continue, and it helped us, 324 00:19:45,100 --> 00:19:48,700 personally, helped me and Robin, and it benefited us and and 325 00:19:48,700 --> 00:19:52,840 taking care of the needs that we had taken coming out of 326 00:19:53,980 --> 00:19:58,540 all being out of work for six months and and it was a real 327 00:19:59,140 --> 00:19:59,920 like I said, we. 328 00:20:00,060 --> 00:20:03,600 Were direct benefits from the love and the care from the 329 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,780 national community. So when people ask me and Robin to be a 330 00:20:06,780 --> 00:20:10,980 part of something and we can help, we often will do that, 331 00:20:10,980 --> 00:20:15,180 because we know how important it is. Well, you mentioned your 332 00:20:15,180 --> 00:20:18,840 lovely wife, Robin. I mean, you actually perform with her. I 333 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:25,280 mean, you do a show that's kind of a duet, if you will. Yeah, 334 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:28,280 does she? Does she travel with you everywhere, whether she's 335 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:30,440 performing on a show or not. 336 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:33,260 She loves it. We go out and we 337 00:20:34,460 --> 00:20:37,220 we've she been seeing with me ever since I got my record deal. 338 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:42,880 I back before, before I got signed the capital. I gone into 339 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:47,140 the studio with John vezner Kathy mattea's husband, right? 340 00:20:47,260 --> 00:20:49,480 He produced some songs on me 341 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:50,920 as a 342 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:57,760 for a demo deal for Warner Brothers, and they passed on me. 343 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:03,420 But, but on those demos, Kathy Kathy Mattea sang harmony with 344 00:21:03,420 --> 00:21:07,980 me on the demos. Oh, wow. And so we worked up those songs, and we 345 00:21:07,980 --> 00:21:10,980 were playing them in the clubs in Athens. And anytime we play 346 00:21:10,980 --> 00:21:15,060 those songs, Robin would get up and sing with me and and of 347 00:21:15,060 --> 00:21:17,280 course, we did our Christmas show in Athens, and she'd always 348 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:21,980 sing with me at that and then when I did a showcase for 349 00:21:21,980 --> 00:21:24,920 Capitol Records in spring of 92 350 00:21:26,360 --> 00:21:26,960 and 351 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:32,420 for Jimmy Bowen and some other folks that were there, and I got 352 00:21:32,420 --> 00:21:35,360 a record deal out of that showcase, and Robin sang with me 353 00:21:35,360 --> 00:21:39,800 at that me and the band. And so I got a record deal, and we we 354 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:43,960 cut songs, and Chuck Howard was at the showcase, and he loved 355 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:49,600 her voice, and so they put they had Miss, I'm trying to think of 356 00:21:50,020 --> 00:21:52,000 ham rose and 357 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:55,780 Kennedy Kennedy birds. Kennedy rose is a duo. 358 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,660 Remember that? Yeah, they came and sang on the record, on your 359 00:22:00,660 --> 00:22:03,660 love amazes me, and you and only you, and all these songs on the 360 00:22:03,660 --> 00:22:07,380 record. So Robin learned those parts, and so she had a gig. 361 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:12,780 So, but she's, she's a great thing. She sang on my albums 362 00:22:12,780 --> 00:22:16,260 almost ever since then, yeah, and the records that we've done, 363 00:22:16,260 --> 00:22:19,740 and she does a great job singing with she's, she's got the gift 364 00:22:19,740 --> 00:22:23,540 of harmony. I'm telling you, she can harmonize. She can find 365 00:22:23,540 --> 00:22:27,920 harmony parts like nobody's business, and does a terrific 366 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:32,180 job so and when. So it's a great way that we can live our lives 367 00:22:32,180 --> 00:22:35,060 together. And I don't go do my thing and her go do her thing, 368 00:22:35,060 --> 00:22:39,380 she we. We live our lives together, whether it's out 369 00:22:39,380 --> 00:22:42,700 touring and doing shows or recording or working in the 370 00:22:42,700 --> 00:22:46,240 backyard, yeah? Well, that's, that's. Man, that's wonderful to 371 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,960 have that kind of relationship where you can stand each other 372 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:50,440 that long. 373 00:22:52,060 --> 00:22:54,880 Robin's a rock star, though. Man, even her on stage. Man, 374 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,240 when she's on stage, she rocks out. Oh, she is, she is not 375 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,800 still. And great boys she loves it. Yeah, she does not stand 376 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:05,280 still. Well, John, we don't want to keep you forever, man, we 377 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,800 appreciate your time so much. We're going to get back to 378 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,800 chatting here with Jared about all the stuff that he's got 379 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:14,400 going on. But tell folks how they can follow you, find your 380 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,460 music where you're going to be playing next, etc. 381 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:20,660 Well, John berry.com, is 382 00:23:21,740 --> 00:23:24,620 more information you probably want to know. You can find just 383 00:23:24,620 --> 00:23:29,480 about anything there, and all tour dates and music and all 384 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,880 those things are available there. And then, as far as 385 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:37,880 social, social media is at John Barry music, and there's all our 386 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:43,360 tour dates are posted, and we've always got things going on, and 387 00:23:43,540 --> 00:23:46,960 so we're looking forward to to get back out on the road and 388 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,600 being busy, we got a good Christmas tour coming up this 389 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:53,680 year. Looks like it'll be about 18 cities, and it's gonna be a 390 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,800 lot of fun, all right. Well, fantastic. Well, man, it's it's 391 00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:01,080 been great for me personally to to be around you to some degree, 392 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:05,820 and your kindness is certainly appreciated when in our past 393 00:24:05,820 --> 00:24:08,940 crossings, and certainly here today, it's been terrific to 394 00:24:08,940 --> 00:24:10,140 have you join us for a bit. 395 00:24:11,460 --> 00:24:13,920 Well, you got some you got a great guest here on your show 396 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:18,000 with Jared and and so I think the world of him and appreciate 397 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,220 y'all. Let me come be with you for a little while. Oh, thank 398 00:24:20,220 --> 00:24:23,000 you. Thanks, John. Tell Robin I said hi, give her a hug and love 399 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:23,300 you guys. 400 00:24:25,820 --> 00:24:28,460 Well, Jared, that's pretty special, huh? Oh, man, he's a 401 00:24:28,460 --> 00:24:32,180 rock star. He's awesome, yeah? I mean, he is such a such a good 402 00:24:32,180 --> 00:24:35,900 guy and a talented, humble fella, you know? Yeah, yeah. 403 00:24:35,900 --> 00:24:38,600 It's not what you would think. It's when you meet him. It is 404 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,260 like talking to an old friend. Yeah, it's really cool. Well, 405 00:24:41,260 --> 00:24:44,080 man, I mean, you've got to have a lot of old friends with the 406 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:49,180 life that you've had growing up. And so obviously, I know we've 407 00:24:49,180 --> 00:24:52,300 talked about your, your uncle, Kenny. I mean, your, your 408 00:24:52,300 --> 00:24:56,440 father, though, was also a musician, correct? Was, was, is 409 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,560 he? Was he in the music biz to some degree? 410 00:25:00,060 --> 00:25:07,320 It, I will say that my dad has a great voice. But when, when 411 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,020 you're coming up and you've got Kenny Rogers as your brother, 412 00:25:10,380 --> 00:25:13,320 you know, it's, it's not an exact easy business to get into 413 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,360 at that point, because they expect you to be Kenny, yeah, 414 00:25:15,360 --> 00:25:18,540 but then they don't expect you to be Kenny, so, but he's got a 415 00:25:18,540 --> 00:25:21,140 fantastic voice, and he's always pushing me and driving me. And 416 00:25:21,140 --> 00:25:24,200 it's just like, you know? And he's a, he's a put God first 417 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,800 kind of guy, too. So it's really cool. And I want to address the 418 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,980 elephant in the room real fast. He's swiping on cars right now. 419 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:31,940 Oh, yeah, okay. I 420 00:25:33,380 --> 00:25:34,340 just want to address, 421 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,080 he's over there getting cars in the background. I'm just, he 422 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,520 thinks that we have a chop shop here. Context for the listeners, 423 00:25:43,060 --> 00:25:46,180 I walked in and there's one couch in the house, and then you 424 00:25:46,180 --> 00:25:49,420 walk into this back room and there's a whole studio, either 425 00:25:49,420 --> 00:25:50,860 car shop or porno, 426 00:25:52,120 --> 00:25:54,760 I'm telling you. When he closed the doors, I was like, Oh man, 427 00:25:58,540 --> 00:25:59,740 don't 428 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,140 ask. Don't ask me about my business. 429 00:26:05,700 --> 00:26:08,400 Yeah, Jared is wondering, you know, so what? What has he lured 430 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:08,700 me into? 431 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,460 Well, you walk in, and it's really cool. 432 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,240 You walk into this house, and of course, you know, Jay's at the 433 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,640 door, and it was just cool. So I'm like, Cool, a friendly face, 434 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,860 so now I don't feel as weird, you know? And then there's one 435 00:26:19,860 --> 00:26:22,080 couch in there, and you come in here, and he's got everything 436 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:23,540 Marvel and a picture. Marvel 437 00:26:26,060 --> 00:26:27,080 and a picture of 438 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,960 Jesus, absolutely. So it's I was like, man, there's cameras 439 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,980 everywhere. He's swiping on cars. I don't know what's going 440 00:26:37,100 --> 00:26:42,160 on my next find out my next kill Exactly, exactly. So well, when 441 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,500 you go outside and you find your vehicle up on blocks, 442 00:26:45,940 --> 00:26:49,300 and he does have three names, yes, yeah, this is true, yeah. 443 00:26:49,300 --> 00:26:50,440 Who does that these days? Man, 444 00:26:51,820 --> 00:26:52,660 package ready yet 445 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,380 exactly there it is but a half an hour. 446 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,440 Well, what's funny as y'all think he's playing 447 00:27:04,620 --> 00:27:09,660 well again, you know, you can't, I guess, talk about your, you 448 00:27:09,660 --> 00:27:12,900 know, your your musical upbringing and influences 449 00:27:12,900 --> 00:27:16,380 without, you know, mentioning a legend, Kenny Rogers, but who 450 00:27:16,380 --> 00:27:19,800 have been some other influences? I know you have a very diverse 451 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,880 taste in music, certainly, oh man, 452 00:27:23,900 --> 00:27:26,780 you know. And of course, you heard earlier, I love John 453 00:27:26,780 --> 00:27:27,200 Barry. 454 00:27:28,460 --> 00:27:32,480 I will say, I have, I have. You're right, you know, it goes 455 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,560 from BB King David Gilmore, yeah. I mean, David Gilmore is 456 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:40,240 just like my ultimate musical hero, and he's the reason that I 457 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:45,280 picked up a guitar, and so Bruce Springsteen, man. I saw Bruce 458 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:49,240 Springsteen play Thunder Road on a piano acoustic one time, and I 459 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,820 was in love with singing acoustic. From then on out, I 460 00:27:51,820 --> 00:27:54,340 was just, I just want to play piano. I want to play an 461 00:27:54,340 --> 00:28:01,380 acoustic show. So he did it. And then Jeff Beck, oh, yeah, so of 462 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,500 course, you got Van Halen back here, of course, but I was van 463 00:28:04,500 --> 00:28:10,380 Hagar. So we just had this conversation, the episode that 464 00:28:10,380 --> 00:28:14,160 we recorded right before this one. We had that discussion, 465 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,680 yeah, okay, all right, in between car sales, 466 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:24,140 yeah, we were jamming Van Halen. Van halen's Fantastic and but I 467 00:28:24,140 --> 00:28:29,900 would say, when it comes to vocals, meatloaf, I was, I was a 468 00:28:29,900 --> 00:28:33,740 big meatloaf fan. Great. I got to meet him one day. How cool? 469 00:28:33,740 --> 00:28:37,220 Yeah. So we went, we went to a show, and Cindy Lauper opened 470 00:28:37,220 --> 00:28:39,980 the show for him. And you talk about a girl who just didn't 471 00:28:39,980 --> 00:28:43,300 miss a beat, like she got up there, she just sang. And I was 472 00:28:43,300 --> 00:28:45,460 like, you could sing me the phone book, and I'd be good. 473 00:28:45,460 --> 00:28:45,940 She's good, 474 00:28:47,140 --> 00:28:50,140 very good, yeah. And then, so she was opening the show. We 475 00:28:50,140 --> 00:28:54,460 were on the what the third row, and we're walking out, and you, 476 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,740 you've been to Vegas. I know you guys been to Vegas. Yeah, sure, 477 00:28:56,740 --> 00:28:59,380 sure. Okay. So, yeah, 478 00:29:04,740 --> 00:29:04,920 yeah, 479 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:07,980 world traveler, 480 00:29:09,540 --> 00:29:11,400 I've been to Las Vegas, Alabama, 481 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:14,700 but 482 00:29:15,900 --> 00:29:19,020 yeah, no. So you know how the four seasons is connected to the 483 00:29:19,020 --> 00:29:22,160 Mandalay Bay, right? So we're walking out of the arena in the 484 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,340 Mandalay Bay, and we park next door at the Four Seasons, 485 00:29:25,340 --> 00:29:28,640 because we know how to beat parking, right? So as we're 486 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,620 walking through the hallway, sure enough, meatloaf just 487 00:29:30,620 --> 00:29:33,920 casually walking by. Oh, cool. And, man, I was like, 488 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,300 I'm never gonna get this chance again, you know? So I turned 489 00:29:38,300 --> 00:29:41,920 around. He gave me a hug. He was super cool. He said he gave me 490 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,380 the greatest piece of advice, never let anybody tell you no. 491 00:29:44,380 --> 00:29:47,440 You keep plugging till they say yes, and that was it. So I was 492 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:51,820 just like that was meatloaf man. And after that, he looked at 493 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,780 you, and he came from the poker tables. He said I would do 494 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:57,520 anything for a club. I. 495 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:00,120 Yeah, 496 00:30:03,060 --> 00:30:04,740 it's funny. You don't hear from him 497 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:09,720 for like 15 498 00:30:10,860 --> 00:30:13,620 minutes. James Patrick, right there, all right, so we'll see 499 00:30:13,620 --> 00:30:14,460 in 15 minutes. 500 00:30:17,940 --> 00:30:19,860 That's totally fine. That was a dad 501 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,440 joke. Yeah, I think we all laugh just because we're like, oh, he 502 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:25,460 gets one minute. I'm 503 00:30:27,500 --> 00:30:28,640 just a producer, man. He's 504 00:30:29,780 --> 00:30:32,600 back there hitting all these cool buttons. Yes, sir. Well, 505 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,000 man, you know all about hitting the cool buttons. I mean, you're 506 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:39,080 a multi talented dude in terms of you talk about videography 507 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:46,300 and sound and so where, when it comes to the biz, what part of 508 00:30:46,300 --> 00:30:49,540 it most intrigues you? Is it the performing? Is it the writing? 509 00:30:49,540 --> 00:30:52,360 Is it the behind the scenes, technical stuff? I mean, you're 510 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:57,100 pretty darn adept at all of it. Man, that's a good question. You 511 00:30:57,100 --> 00:31:00,660 know, my biggest respect for the business of the people behind 512 00:31:00,660 --> 00:31:04,800 the scenes, for sure, like the crew and things. People realize 513 00:31:05,100 --> 00:31:07,620 they don't. They don't. Sometimes realize a lot of 514 00:31:07,620 --> 00:31:10,980 people do. Some people don't, that you don't just get up and 515 00:31:10,980 --> 00:31:14,340 put on a show. Like, there's hours upon hours of rehearsal, 516 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,280 there's learning the songs, there's producing, there's 517 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,540 putting it together. And I will say my favorite part 518 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:21,860 is 519 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,300 putting a song together in the studio, like watching it come to 520 00:31:26,300 --> 00:31:29,720 life, listening to it, and then the different parts that come 521 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,180 in, you're like, Oh my God. And then you get people like, 522 00:31:33,380 --> 00:31:35,720 you know, Kent wells that come in there, and he's like, Hey, 523 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,700 Jared, check this out. What do you think? And He'll play 524 00:31:37,700 --> 00:31:40,300 something. And I was like, I don't think the song can go 525 00:31:40,300 --> 00:31:43,120 without it now, you know. So it's really cool watching the 526 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,900 songs come to life. And I've been in the I've been able to 527 00:31:46,900 --> 00:31:50,620 produce a couple things this year, but being a co producer on 528 00:31:50,620 --> 00:31:54,100 my stuff is definitely the highlight for me, because I have 529 00:31:54,100 --> 00:31:56,440 a very spiritual message in my music. And 530 00:31:57,460 --> 00:32:00,960 I don't claim to be anything more than I am, you know. So 531 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,380 that's why the album's titled sinner man. You know, it's like, 532 00:32:04,380 --> 00:32:07,080 I know, I know what I am. You know, Jim's trying to come to 533 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:07,920 facts with what he 534 00:32:09,060 --> 00:32:10,320 is. But for me, 535 00:32:11,340 --> 00:32:15,900 Ain't that the truth. I know what I am, and it's and it's and 536 00:32:15,900 --> 00:32:19,140 it's cool. So all of my music is about finding your faith in the 537 00:32:19,140 --> 00:32:22,160 past you have to go through to get it and putting that together 538 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,400 in the studio has been my absolute favorite part of my 539 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,760 musical journey. Yeah, well, that's cool. So how many? 540 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:34,700 Well, first of all, the album that you have, the duet with 541 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:36,860 with John Barry, whom we just spoke with, 542 00:32:37,940 --> 00:32:41,020 tell us the name of the song. Again, we want to make sure we 543 00:32:41,020 --> 00:32:45,280 get that in there and how it's a wonderful song. I mean, 544 00:32:46,300 --> 00:32:49,600 in the performance of production is outstanding. I got to play 545 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,020 lead guitar and all my stuff too. Yeah. And I tell you, Well, 546 00:32:53,020 --> 00:32:57,460 you again, multi talented guy here, but so again, tell us the 547 00:32:57,460 --> 00:32:58,900 song, how it came about, and 548 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,480 what, what it truly means to you. You know, I've written a 549 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,720 lot of songs, but this song, I remember exactly where I was, 550 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,340 because my mom was driving about 150 551 00:33:09,420 --> 00:33:10,560 coming back from 552 00:33:11,700 --> 00:33:15,000 LA into Vegas, and so naturally I start praying, 553 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,720 but I'm sitting there, and I was just like, Man, I just started. 554 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,080 He's lived so long with a treble mind, but his heart's in the 555 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,660 right place. And I've had these lines on my in my mind for a 556 00:33:26,660 --> 00:33:30,920 couple of days. So on the way home, I wrote this entire song, 557 00:33:30,980 --> 00:33:34,100 just like just wrote, I think what about 20 minutes? I wrote 558 00:33:34,100 --> 00:33:36,860 that whole thing and then, but I couldn't figure out what to do 559 00:33:36,860 --> 00:33:41,320 with it musically. So a guy who's become a big mentor to me 560 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,440 in life. His name is Jerry Williams. We call him Papa bear 561 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,400 country guy, right? Like, he played country western, like, 562 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,820 real country western music. And he has a old blonde 563 00:33:51,820 --> 00:33:54,400 Stratocaster. He calls it Blondie, and he's got, like, a 564 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:59,500 pin up girl on So, yeah, he's, he's a total badass. But we, I 565 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,480 sent it to him, and he's like, man, I've got an idea for this. 566 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,000 Do you mind if I run with it? I was like, Cool. We had a 567 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,700 rehearsal the next day, and he brought it and he played it. And 568 00:34:08,700 --> 00:34:10,920 I was like, Oh my God. And that's how that song came to be. 569 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:15,720 And that was one of my favorite co writes of all time, yeah. And 570 00:34:15,720 --> 00:34:19,380 so again, the title of the song bridge we all must cross. Yeah, 571 00:34:19,380 --> 00:34:23,600 yeah. Very nice stuff. And where did the thought get to? First of 572 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:27,680 all, have someone else sing it with you. And second of all, 573 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:28,880 have it be John Barry. 574 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:35,240 So I sent, I sent John a what, three different songs I had, one 575 00:34:35,240 --> 00:34:39,800 called Rhoda Bethlehem, I think sinner man. And then, and then 576 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,820 bridge, wellness, cross. I kind of knew which one he was going 577 00:34:42,820 --> 00:34:45,400 to pick, because bridge almost crosses a little more rocking. 578 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,920 And even though he's a country guy, he loves that distortion, 579 00:34:47,980 --> 00:34:50,500 he loves that rock and roll a little bit. And 580 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,960 it was something that just it was a song that I was like, I 581 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,920 need that mentor in that song. I need that person that's been. 582 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,880 There that's lived it and understands that there's a 583 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,960 bridge we almost cross, and across we almost bear. And I 584 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,720 thought of John Barry, and I was just like, I don't know if he'll 585 00:35:09,720 --> 00:35:15,900 do this. And mom, so mom and I knew him already. And like, I 586 00:35:15,900 --> 00:35:18,420 was gonna text him and ask him, but we went through the proper 587 00:35:18,420 --> 00:35:21,020 channels. We went through Brian, his his manager, which is a 588 00:35:21,020 --> 00:35:25,040 fantastic dude. Yes, I've worked and so I sent him the three 589 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,820 song. He goes, Yeah, or email him to John, you know, I sent 590 00:35:28,820 --> 00:35:31,520 him three different songs, kind of run down, gave him the 591 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,160 lyrics, and he wrote back, and he goes, Bridgeway, almost 592 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,880 cross. That was it. He's like, pretty much one line answer, you 593 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,720 know. So I'm just like, does that mean we're doing this or 594 00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:44,020 not, you know? And so we ended up, we ended up putting it 595 00:35:44,020 --> 00:35:46,540 together. And then I called Jerry Williams, the Papa Bear. 596 00:35:46,540 --> 00:35:49,180 We called him, and I was like, Hey, man. And he's like, What 597 00:35:49,180 --> 00:35:51,700 are you doing? I was like, Man, I got some news. You ever heard 598 00:35:51,700 --> 00:35:54,460 of John Barry? He's like, Oh, my God, I love John Barry. And I 599 00:35:54,460 --> 00:35:58,540 was like, He's singing on our song. So he was really excited. 600 00:35:58,540 --> 00:36:00,580 And, I mean, there was no hesitation. I mean, John got 601 00:36:00,580 --> 00:36:02,980 right back to me, and just like, This is a song. Let's do this. 602 00:36:02,980 --> 00:36:05,160 Let's do this one. Yeah, I was like, All right, let's do it. 603 00:36:05,340 --> 00:36:08,040 That's very cool. And again, you know, as we were saying in our 604 00:36:08,100 --> 00:36:11,280 discussion with him, I mean, he's just got a good charitable 605 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:15,240 heart, willing to willing to help folks out. So tell us you 606 00:36:15,240 --> 00:36:18,480 know someone such as yourself. I mean, again, you've been around 607 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:23,300 the biz your entire life, but what is it like for someone such 608 00:36:23,300 --> 00:36:27,380 as yourself, multi faceted, multi talented? What's it like 609 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,560 to get your to try to get your music out there and get it 610 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:35,420 heard? I know you can speak from that perspective, as as a, you 611 00:36:35,420 --> 00:36:39,800 know, still young, for all intent, purposes, up and coming 612 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,580 artist, even, you know, for somebody that's been out there 613 00:36:42,580 --> 00:36:46,780 his whole life, but still, you know, it's, it's a struggle 614 00:36:46,780 --> 00:36:49,060 these days. And one of the reasons I wanted to have you 615 00:36:49,060 --> 00:36:53,080 here is, number one, to kind of introduce you to folks, but 616 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:57,700 secondly, to just have you kind of express what I know a lot of 617 00:36:57,820 --> 00:37:02,700 today's artists that do great stuff, oh yeah, and try to break 618 00:37:02,700 --> 00:37:04,260 through it is, 619 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:09,840 it's a struggle, man, there's so much noise out there to try to 620 00:37:09,900 --> 00:37:14,280 rise to the top. Is, is, it's a struggle, man, you hit the nail 621 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,680 on the head. And first of all, I want to pay you to just walk 622 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,060 around and tell me how awesome I am. 623 00:37:20,100 --> 00:37:23,540 But it is, and I'll tell you, there's a couple things. And 624 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,220 one, streaming platforms are killing songwriters. Oh yeah, 625 00:37:28,220 --> 00:37:31,880 they're killing us. And you know, we put our heart, our 626 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,060 souls, our blood, sweat and tears, into these songs, they 627 00:37:35,060 --> 00:37:37,940 take all the money and we get nothing. And so it's really 628 00:37:37,940 --> 00:37:40,540 hard. So and you know this, we've talked about this. You 629 00:37:40,540 --> 00:37:46,540 know how much I love radio. I love love radio. Like radio DJs 630 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,500 are just the most interesting, freaky, cool people in the 631 00:37:50,500 --> 00:37:51,400 world. And, 632 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:56,560 oh yeah, we want you to come around with us and tell us 633 00:37:56,620 --> 00:37:58,180 freaky and fun we are. 634 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,580 You guys spin my album. I'll follow you everywhere. But, 635 00:38:02,580 --> 00:38:08,760 yeah, no, it's, it's, I believe that the magic days of of music 636 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:13,020 were when you waited for that song to come on the radio. Oh 637 00:38:13,020 --> 00:38:15,660 yeah. Like, when you're sitting there and you turn it on because 638 00:38:15,660 --> 00:38:18,780 you're like, Okay, Jay Harper's coming on at three o'clock. I 639 00:38:18,780 --> 00:38:22,280 know he's gonna be spinning that BB King tune today. You know, 640 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:26,120 that was magic. You know, it's like when you used to watch MTV, 641 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,660 yeah, and you waited for that one video to come out, and 642 00:38:29,660 --> 00:38:33,740 you're like, where's it at? Where is it record button? Oh, 643 00:38:33,740 --> 00:38:37,460 yeah, absolutely. This is before we had, like, iPhones and stuff 644 00:38:37,460 --> 00:38:41,260 like that and stuff like but, man, I tell you, the hardest 645 00:38:41,260 --> 00:38:45,400 part for me is social media. Social media because I'm not, 646 00:38:45,460 --> 00:38:49,000 I'm not one who wants to get on a post every day and and things 647 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,060 like that. I want to go on the radio and I want to talk to you 648 00:38:52,060 --> 00:38:55,000 guys. I want to hang out with you guys. And, you know, just 649 00:38:55,240 --> 00:38:57,880 figure out, you know, I didn't realize I could walk into this 650 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,840 place today do a whole radio show and get a stolen car, 651 00:39:03,180 --> 00:39:06,900 you know, for me, this is the magic this, right here is the 652 00:39:06,900 --> 00:39:10,800 magic part, you know. And I want to get into the stolen carpets. 653 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:11,940 Yeah, I'm setting you 654 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,600 up with my cousin Carlos, right now. 655 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:18,600 He's down in Tijuana, 656 00:39:20,340 --> 00:39:23,720 but, yeah, this is magic to me. Like, like, when you, when you 657 00:39:23,720 --> 00:39:26,840 texted me, I was like, absolutely there wasn't a no 658 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,380 that was going to come out of my mouth. And so I will go on any 659 00:39:30,380 --> 00:39:33,860 and every radio station, just because, first of all, I think 660 00:39:33,860 --> 00:39:37,160 you guys are the business. I think you are the magic of the 661 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,720 business, the people that were pushing the songs, and we had to 662 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,740 always come out here. And, I mean, you guys, know? I mean, we 663 00:39:44,740 --> 00:39:49,060 the artist, wanted to come out and be around you guys, because 664 00:39:49,060 --> 00:39:51,880 we knew that you guys could play the songs. But then you come 665 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:53,920 back here and you're like, oh, man, it's like hanging with a 666 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,980 bunch of buddies, yeah, you know. And that's, this is the 667 00:39:56,980 --> 00:39:59,500 magic right here. This is the magic. Soon as I walked in the 668 00:39:59,500 --> 00:39:59,860 room. 669 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,080 And and Jim closed the doors. I was like, this is about to get 670 00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,960 real. I love this. And, yeah, 671 00:40:08,100 --> 00:40:09,840 and all I've got is born in my head now. 672 00:40:13,620 --> 00:40:16,200 But, and I'll tell you, the hardest part besides social 673 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,680 media for me, is hitting that button to put it on streaming. 674 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:24,860 Yeah, it is so difficult for me because I know that it cost me X 675 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,520 amount of dollars to make an album, and then I'm getting 676 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,660 absolutely nothing back from streaming. And I think that's 677 00:40:32,660 --> 00:40:36,440 the hardest part. And you know, record labels these days will 678 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,560 do, I guess, what their 360 deals, yes, and they'll take a 679 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,920 piece of touring and a piece of merchandise, 680 00:40:42,940 --> 00:40:45,820 and, man, they're just taking away the magic of the business. 681 00:40:45,820 --> 00:40:49,480 They're taking away the fun and what it used to be to be a real 682 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:53,440 artist and and we've got some great artists out there today, 683 00:40:53,740 --> 00:40:56,140 but radio has been taking the fun, 684 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,340 yeah, but you know what? You guys had the power though, you 685 00:41:02,340 --> 00:41:04,380 know, and that's, that's the thing is, well, they're, 686 00:41:04,380 --> 00:41:07,560 they're, you know, and it's, you've hit upon one of the, one 687 00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:12,000 of the topics that we discuss, ad nauseam, right? You know, 688 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,580 because it's one of the foundations of what this podcast 689 00:41:14,580 --> 00:41:19,320 is about. We talk about radio, Nashville, music, entertainment, 690 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:24,860 and all of the pros and cons of every bit of those, of those 691 00:41:24,860 --> 00:41:27,140 subjects, those topics, but 692 00:41:28,220 --> 00:41:32,720 the what you talk about, about radio, 693 00:41:34,100 --> 00:41:40,400 you know, at one time, being the king of Introducing folks to to 694 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:44,500 music and what we broke artists we had, that's what I was 695 00:41:44,500 --> 00:41:47,320 getting at, even though I'm stumbling around here. What I 696 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:51,040 meant to kind of cut to the chase here is, at one time we 697 00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:57,100 did have as DJs, as announcers. We had the latitude to pick 698 00:41:57,100 --> 00:42:02,160 stuff, corporate takeover of radio and deregulation, right 699 00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:07,440 where they were the beginnings of the end 1996 you know? Yeah, 700 00:42:07,860 --> 00:42:12,360 so the corporate takeover, where you've got one person 701 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:16,620 programming hundreds of radio stations, and that's literally 702 00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:20,720 and playing 20 artists, maybe playing 20 artists over again, 703 00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:23,840 we talk about that ad naughtium. No reason to get into that here. 704 00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,720 Jay, I would like to invite you to do something right now. Okay, 705 00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:29,780 we're gonna do something on the fly. You're talking about like 706 00:42:29,780 --> 00:42:32,300 the fun then the nostalgia we all had of listening for the 707 00:42:32,300 --> 00:42:35,600 song to come up in the DJ. Can you front sell this one? 708 00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,040 You ready? You're gonna know it right off the bat. All right. 709 00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:41,860 Ready? Here we go. 710 00:42:46,660 --> 00:42:52,300 Hey, 99 5w. Whatever it's super J, that's right. We're gonna 711 00:42:52,300 --> 00:42:57,460 rock and sock him, and we are here to rock you out for the 712 00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,740 weekend, baby. We're living for the weekend. 713 00:43:00,940 --> 00:43:04,620 See now, after, after 1996 basically, that turned into, 714 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,040 oh, man, it's not working. It turned into that working, 715 00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:16,140 not working exactly, but you know, you brought something to I 716 00:43:16,860 --> 00:43:21,980 and I have fought it for a long time now. I just cannot get into 717 00:43:22,820 --> 00:43:27,500 downloading. I've got to have the record. I want to have 718 00:43:27,500 --> 00:43:31,160 either the cover the vinyl, yeah, and I want to see who 719 00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,460 played on it. I want to know who produced again, that who wrote. 720 00:43:34,460 --> 00:43:38,240 That was one of the magical things about the you know, I can 721 00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:41,860 remember, for example, the elk John albums, yeah, that had all 722 00:43:41,860 --> 00:43:46,000 of the lyrics in. Yes, you know, I would sit there for hours 723 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,840 unfolding that goodbye yellow brick road album, sure, and 724 00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:53,020 reading all of the lyrics and following along. And as you say, 725 00:43:53,020 --> 00:43:56,380 it would, you know Davey Johnstone on guitar. You know, 726 00:43:56,380 --> 00:44:00,240 you knew who the heck everybody it. It became more of an 727 00:44:00,240 --> 00:44:04,380 intimate experience. Yes, you became more of a lover of the 728 00:44:04,380 --> 00:44:08,220 artists and the in the music, and you were emotionally 729 00:44:08,220 --> 00:44:09,120 attached 730 00:44:10,380 --> 00:44:14,820 more than that, right? There's such an emotional detachment in 731 00:44:14,820 --> 00:44:19,440 so many ways, from music today, how it's presented. Well, even 732 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:23,060 downloading, I don't even like the quality of it compared to, I 733 00:44:23,060 --> 00:44:26,780 know what you got. There's a there's a warmth and stuff that 734 00:44:26,780 --> 00:44:30,920 seems to be missing, yeah, and, you know, let's face it, with 735 00:44:30,980 --> 00:44:33,860 download, you don't even know what these artists look like. 736 00:44:33,860 --> 00:44:36,980 You don't, you don't know anything about them, really. Not 737 00:44:36,980 --> 00:44:40,960 to mention that, like when you, when you, when you download a 738 00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,720 song, and this is the most important part you have to 739 00:44:43,720 --> 00:44:47,380 understand. When you download a song, say, Spotify, while that 740 00:44:47,380 --> 00:44:50,980 guy's riding around in his 100 million dollar jet, that artist 741 00:44:50,980 --> 00:44:53,320 that sang that song is still struggling, working a nine to 742 00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:57,880 five at Starbucks. Yeah, that's what pisses me off and and so to 743 00:44:57,880 --> 00:44:59,920 me, I have one song streaming called God. I. 744 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:05,340 Need you, and I did it because I was told it's the way to go, and 745 00:45:05,340 --> 00:45:07,560 I listened like an idiot. And so, 746 00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:13,080 in fact, today I will be taking it down, but it's just for me. 747 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:18,540 Y'all remember the first time, all right, the first rock video 748 00:45:18,540 --> 00:45:22,700 I ever heard was your final count. Yeah, okay. And I was at 749 00:45:22,700 --> 00:45:25,220 my dad's, and he goes, Don't let your mom know I let you watch 750 00:45:25,220 --> 00:45:25,820 MTV. 751 00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:31,640 Dude. I was addicted since, right? But the sound you get, 752 00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,580 like, if you guys just bear with me here and close your eyes, and 753 00:45:34,580 --> 00:45:38,060 you can picture when you do that and you that needle hits that 754 00:45:38,060 --> 00:45:42,400 record, yeah, you know, it's about to get it's on, it's 755 00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,160 dramatic. It's it, that's it like that. It's almost like the 756 00:45:45,220 --> 00:45:48,880 the credits of a movie. Yes, you know, with that music, that's 757 00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,340 what that needle hitting that record and that crackling 758 00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:57,100 sounded like to me. And so I got David Gilmore's new album, and I 759 00:45:57,100 --> 00:46:01,380 got it on vinyl, by the way. Oh, wow. And it just, it still, it 760 00:46:01,380 --> 00:46:04,740 still rings different than like, I can download it, you know, I 761 00:46:04,740 --> 00:46:08,400 can download his stuff and but I have it. I have his actual 762 00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,760 vinyl. Yeah, we ordered it, and it was great. In fact, Jerry, 763 00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,640 who wrote bridge, almost cross, he ordered it and bought it for 764 00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:18,420 me. Oh, and he sent it to me that Robert Johnson, you know, 765 00:46:18,420 --> 00:46:22,100 the old Crossroads himself, right? And so to me, there's 766 00:46:22,100 --> 00:46:24,020 just something you're looking for. The sound over there, 767 00:46:24,020 --> 00:46:27,860 aren't you kind of Yeah, he does. I'm hunting. Yes, I see 768 00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,260 either that or he's car shopping, 769 00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:33,980 exactly. He's on scooters. Now 770 00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,780 that's a good price. Yeah, you got to go hybrid these days. 771 00:46:40,220 --> 00:46:44,980 But man, the magic, the magic of the music industry. I mean, even 772 00:46:44,980 --> 00:46:47,380 going down Broadway, how many times you guys been in Broadway 773 00:46:47,380 --> 00:46:50,920 in the last 10 years and just seen it dramatically change? Oh, 774 00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,700 yeah. And they're taking away the historic parts of Nashville, 775 00:46:54,820 --> 00:46:58,840 and everything's a high rise bar, everything's a daggum bar. 776 00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,800 Oh, look at what they just did with the property taxes. Oh, 777 00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:05,040 yeah. I mean, that's, that's, that's a strategy small 778 00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,040 business. They've driven out the soul of Nashville. Nashville 779 00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:08,580 used to be 780 00:47:09,780 --> 00:47:12,840 a very unique city, one that, and that's why I fell in love 781 00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:16,200 with it. And what bothers me now is it seems like it's becoming 782 00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,860 like Las Vegas, New Orleans every other city. Yeah, you 783 00:47:19,860 --> 00:47:24,800 know? Well, they call it Nash Vegas. Yeah, every weekend I run 784 00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,340 sound for, for this, for this event center out in Livingston. 785 00:47:28,700 --> 00:47:31,700 And I started out there because, because my mom has a company 786 00:47:31,700 --> 00:47:35,420 called americanaville, and that's how we met John Barry and 787 00:47:35,420 --> 00:47:39,920 stuff. And so, I mean, we've had everyone out there from Brady 788 00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,700 seals, Larry Gatlin came out. Did I did his I did his 789 00:47:42,700 --> 00:47:46,660 Christmas show? Didn't I? I ran sound for him, and that dude's 790 00:47:46,660 --> 00:47:50,380 funny, by the way, but anyway, I was like, did that joke just 791 00:47:50,380 --> 00:47:50,980 come out of that 792 00:47:52,420 --> 00:47:56,560 guy? Wasn't expecting that and so, but we go out there, but 793 00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:00,780 this town is like a little Hallmark town, and the one the 794 00:48:00,780 --> 00:48:03,960 hardest part that we have about building Americana Ville there 795 00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,840 is, there's no traffic. You know, of course, you've been 796 00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,080 there, sure so. And that's something it's just like, how do 797 00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,540 we talk people into that 30 minute drive from cookville to 798 00:48:12,540 --> 00:48:15,180 Livingston? How do we talk them into it? But it is such a great, 799 00:48:15,180 --> 00:48:19,080 intimate listening room, which is a thing of the past. Let's 800 00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:22,340 face it, you know, nowhere can you go and see a Pam Tillis or a 801 00:48:22,340 --> 00:48:28,580 Larry Gatlin, John Berry, Darryl Worley and and be this close to 802 00:48:28,580 --> 00:48:30,740 him, you know, while they perform 803 00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:33,560 around after the show too. Yeah, yes. 804 00:48:34,580 --> 00:48:37,220 Special, special place. Yeah. You know, I first moved to 805 00:48:37,220 --> 00:48:43,120 Nashville in 1985 to go to work with MCA Records. And in the in 806 00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:47,500 the town, well, our office, the MCA Records Office, at the time, 807 00:48:47,500 --> 00:48:53,740 was at 1701 West End. It was, it was an office building, but we 808 00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:58,600 left there and went to a big house on Music Row for a time. 809 00:48:58,660 --> 00:49:01,440 You know, is where the offices were, yeah. And I worked for 810 00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,920 some promotion agencies and stuff there on Music Row. And we 811 00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:08,520 were in an old house, you know, yeah, all of them were Yeah. And 812 00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:12,900 now it's, you know, these ugly condos and all this other 813 00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,260 they're wanting to knock some of those down, those houses down 814 00:49:16,260 --> 00:49:19,800 now, because I think it's Belmont, yeah, or Vanderbilt. 815 00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:23,000 One wants to expand. Yeah? So I'm just like, that's all 816 00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:24,740 Vanderbilt needs to do. Yeah? 817 00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:29,420 Some of them are historic landmarks, yeah? And if they're 818 00:49:29,420 --> 00:49:32,180 not, they should be exactly, well, yeah, it broke my heart 819 00:49:32,180 --> 00:49:36,380 when they tore down sound shop. I was, I was on the air at the 820 00:49:36,380 --> 00:49:40,040 time, and I remember telling Phil Valentine, because I was 821 00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:43,060 watching, I said, Man, they're destroying sound shots. That's 822 00:49:43,060 --> 00:49:46,480 where Paul McCarthy recorded. That's where Alabama record. My 823 00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:50,380 God, all that buddy killing stuff. Yeah? Oh, man, dude, 824 00:49:50,380 --> 00:49:53,140 those are some great names right there, yeah? But you see, it's 825 00:49:53,140 --> 00:49:56,020 not like that anymore. And even though we have great artists, 826 00:49:56,020 --> 00:49:58,120 I'm not taken away from the artists that are out there 827 00:49:58,180 --> 00:49:59,920 today. But it. 828 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,660 It's hard to tell the difference. And what you know, 829 00:50:03,660 --> 00:50:06,060 it's just like, I know that you're going to talk about three 830 00:50:06,060 --> 00:50:08,400 things, you're going to talk about whiskey, you're going to 831 00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,980 talk about her leaving, and then you're going to, you're going to 832 00:50:10,980 --> 00:50:14,580 mention God in there somewhere, yeah, and maybe a pickup truck, 833 00:50:14,580 --> 00:50:17,820 and maybe a pickup truck, yeah. And that's cool, but like, there 834 00:50:17,820 --> 00:50:20,160 are some fantastic singers out there, 835 00:50:21,240 --> 00:50:24,140 you know, I like Laney Wilson. I think she's, I think she's 836 00:50:24,140 --> 00:50:27,920 great, and she's got a cool, refreshing sound, you know, 837 00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,940 something that's that wasn't like your average country stuff. 838 00:50:31,940 --> 00:50:34,940 And I like her and Ella Langley, I like both those. Oh, Ella 839 00:50:34,940 --> 00:50:37,460 Langley, yeah, that's a good one. Yeah, she's really cool. 840 00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:41,200 But, um, and then I like watching Lindsay L, you know who 841 00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,560 she is, Lindsay, I like watching her rock out on the guitar. Oh 842 00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:48,220 yeah. But I tell you, man, the only way to bring back the magic 843 00:50:48,220 --> 00:50:51,760 is for the artists out there to come together as artists say, we 844 00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:55,840 are the creators of this music, and we're gonna stop feeding 845 00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,200 streamings. We're gonna stop feeding them, and we're gonna 846 00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,820 bring back but on the other side of the coin, we need more people 847 00:51:02,820 --> 00:51:05,220 like you guys, who will entertain the independent 848 00:51:05,220 --> 00:51:08,400 artist, you know. And that's another struggle, because 849 00:51:08,580 --> 00:51:11,100 getting on the radio, if you're not top 40, they don't really 850 00:51:11,100 --> 00:51:15,240 want to talk to you these days, yeah, enough to just do it on 851 00:51:15,240 --> 00:51:17,700 your own, you know. And do like 852 00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:22,280 the new strategy is with the Instagram clips and showing you 853 00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,640 play in different scenarios, playing different parts of the 854 00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:28,160 song, you know, and kind of building your audience that way. 855 00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:32,360 I it might be a longer grind, but it's probably doable, you 856 00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:35,840 know, it's doable. So, like, I have the views on mine, you 857 00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,180 know, there's some that I have 1000s of views, some that I have 858 00:51:38,180 --> 00:51:41,620 hundreds and but getting them to hit the like, follow, share, 859 00:51:41,740 --> 00:51:46,840 that's the hard part. And so for me, social media, 860 00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:52,600 man, it's a lot. It's very crowded and it's loud. Yeah, 861 00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:55,900 that's the best way to put it. It's crowded and it's loud. Now 862 00:51:55,900 --> 00:52:00,220 they have, they have, they have like websites called like, band 863 00:52:00,220 --> 00:52:04,440 camp and and things like that, but you got to pay. Need to be 864 00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:09,000 on them and stuff like it would be cool to have some kind of a 865 00:52:09,240 --> 00:52:13,560 some kind of a musician, or somebody who can do it, to come 866 00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:17,940 on and say, Okay, here's, here's a streaming site. You buy a song 867 00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:23,960 for $1 right? 98 cents goes to the artist. Two cents goes back 868 00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,960 to the company, just to run the site and just let it run itself. 869 00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,260 You know, we don't have to make be millionaires off of artists, 870 00:52:30,260 --> 00:52:33,740 right? You know, we're artists ourselves. So, you know, there's 871 00:52:33,740 --> 00:52:37,160 a couple of people that are trying to build some stuff, but 872 00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:40,280 you still have to have a subscription. You still have to 873 00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,120 do, I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about you literally. 874 00:52:43,180 --> 00:52:46,720 You get on there, you make a profile for free, you know, even 875 00:52:46,720 --> 00:52:50,080 if it's $1 a month, you know, you know how many dollars you 876 00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,720 would get, just because that's how many artists would want to 877 00:52:52,720 --> 00:52:55,240 do this. And then you can go on there, and it's like an 878 00:52:55,240 --> 00:53:00,600 Instagram for an Instagram for artists. And you can buy their 879 00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:04,080 songs. You can buy their whole album, $15 for the album. Or you 880 00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:08,700 can buy each song for $1 dollar, 25 whatever it is. And 881 00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,220 literally, a couple pennies goes back to the website, and the 882 00:53:11,220 --> 00:53:14,280 rest goes to the artist, you know, because it costs, I mean, 883 00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:18,540 to you got in gas price. It cost me $100 to fill up gas. Yeah, 884 00:53:18,540 --> 00:53:22,100 no, that was me the other day. Oh, dude, it's ridiculous. And 885 00:53:22,100 --> 00:53:27,920 then, you know, so to get out there, to travel, to bring your 886 00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,500 instruments out there, everything, it's like that old 887 00:53:30,500 --> 00:53:33,980 saying, it's just like, define a musician. You take a $5,000 888 00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,220 guitar and you 889 00:53:38,900 --> 00:53:44,020 take a $5,000 guitar and a $2,500 amp. You stick it in the 890 00:53:44,020 --> 00:53:48,040 back of a $2,000 car, and you go to a $50 gig, yeah, you know. 891 00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:51,400 And that's what it feels like these days. And I was, I was 892 00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:55,540 blessed because I had someone like John Barry jump on board 893 00:53:55,780 --> 00:53:59,320 and say, I'll do this duet with you. So to me, that's how you 894 00:53:59,380 --> 00:54:01,800 used to break artists. You remember, you to get the new 895 00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:05,280 artist. You would get a duet, yeah? And you would come on. And 896 00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:10,380 so deliveries. Here we had, we had Deborah Allen. You know, we 897 00:54:10,380 --> 00:54:14,520 had Deborah Allen as our guest A while back, and that's how she 898 00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:18,540 was broken, quote, unquote, was they teamed her up with a 899 00:54:18,540 --> 00:54:24,200 deceased Jim Reeves that made her a star. Yeah, you know. And 900 00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:27,440 yeah, they put out some Martina for Christmas. Yeah, they put 901 00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,980 these duets out with her and Jim Reeves. They didn't put her name 902 00:54:30,980 --> 00:54:33,440 on the record. Well, one thing that drives me crazy, and 903 00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:37,100 especially with families of people, 904 00:54:38,420 --> 00:54:42,040 because I've seen so many people like shooter Jennings, 905 00:54:43,180 --> 00:54:46,960 Tanya Montana CO is another one. She's offbeat, but she's really 906 00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:51,400 good. But when, when they have a famous celebrity as part of 907 00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:57,760 their family, a lot of times people judge that artist on on 908 00:54:57,760 --> 00:54:59,920 the famous and that drives me. 909 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,600 Crazy. Don't expect, don't expect him to be like, Kenny 910 00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:07,140 Rogers. He's his own man. Oh, so that drives me crazy. Yeah, I 911 00:55:07,140 --> 00:55:10,740 have a good response to this one. So I can't tell you the 912 00:55:10,740 --> 00:55:13,440 amount of times people are like, sing the gambler. Sing this, and 913 00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:17,820 I'm like, I'm not Kenny Rob and can you do the rasp? At least? 914 00:55:20,100 --> 00:55:20,240 I know, 915 00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:24,440 between 916 00:55:25,820 --> 00:55:27,800 he and Barry Gibbs, right? Yeah. 917 00:55:29,060 --> 00:55:33,560 But I tell you, I never, I decided to never do that because 918 00:55:33,740 --> 00:55:36,260 I didn't want people to say, Okay, well, you're just trying 919 00:55:36,260 --> 00:55:38,420 to be Kenny Rogers. You're just doing this, even though some 920 00:55:38,420 --> 00:55:40,820 people wanted it. Some people are like, seeing one of your 921 00:55:40,940 --> 00:55:44,200 originals. But then you watch people like Willie Nelson's kid, 922 00:55:44,260 --> 00:55:47,440 Lucas, yes, that dude can sing his butt off. Yes, he can. I 923 00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:51,340 mean, he's a he's a phenomenon. And and then you have other 924 00:55:51,340 --> 00:55:54,280 people, and I'm not going to mention anybody, but all they do 925 00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:56,860 is come out and sing their, their the other, their family 926 00:55:56,860 --> 00:56:00,840 member songs. And so if that's all you're going to do, then 927 00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:04,200 that's all you're going to be, yeah, you know. And so if you 928 00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:08,160 want to, if you, if you want to make it, and I'm still working 929 00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,740 on this, so just take it for with a grain of salt, I guess. 930 00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:14,580 But if you want to make it, the biggest thing is stay true to 931 00:56:14,580 --> 00:56:19,980 you don't fold to the music industry, and do your best to 932 00:56:19,980 --> 00:56:24,020 get on radio. You know, stop streaming. If you got to stream 933 00:56:24,020 --> 00:56:28,820 one song, I did it. I regret it. But if you got to stream one, 934 00:56:29,420 --> 00:56:33,200 stream one, but get out there. Knock on radio, radios doors, 935 00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:36,740 somebody's gonna answer, right? You know, Jay answered, you 936 00:56:36,740 --> 00:56:40,820 know, well, you know, you talk about being true to yourself. 937 00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:45,340 Hank Williams, Jr, oh, yeah, I was a great example when he was 938 00:56:45,340 --> 00:56:48,700 out there just parroting his dad's stuff. And that wasn't his 939 00:56:48,700 --> 00:56:52,240 choice. And could sound like him, yeah, you know, that wasn't 940 00:56:52,240 --> 00:56:55,480 his choice. That was his mother when he broke away and started 941 00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:59,200 doing Hank, yeah, that's when he wished he been hell bound, 942 00:56:59,260 --> 00:57:03,060 right? You know that family tradition. You know Jimmy Bowen, 943 00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:08,160 you know my old boss, you know, is largely responsible for a lot 944 00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,740 of that change in direction. But anyway, when he decided to be 945 00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,560 true to himself, that's when he exploded and became the 946 00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:17,100 superstar that he became. Well, exactly, you know, that's the 947 00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:20,660 that's the thing is that eventually, you can do it over 948 00:57:20,660 --> 00:57:24,020 time, if there's something there. But even, like, you know, 949 00:57:24,020 --> 00:57:26,720 depending on, I work with a lot of different songwriters in the 950 00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:29,660 podcast space, and they are still so highly dependent on 951 00:57:29,660 --> 00:57:32,660 music radio. And it's like, Guys, music radio's got maybe 952 00:57:32,660 --> 00:57:36,200 two more nails in the coffin before it's done. I mean, the 953 00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:41,140 numbers are scaringly, scary. Scaringly. Just make it up as 954 00:57:41,140 --> 00:57:44,560 you go. Yeah, they're really, they're really bad 955 00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:49,240 in terms of, you know, loss of audience law for loss of 956 00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:51,460 revenue. I mean, that the business model has shifted. So, 957 00:57:51,460 --> 00:57:53,620 I mean, it's like, look, technology is a freight train 958 00:57:53,620 --> 00:57:56,560 that doesn't care who's standing on the tracks. You got to figure 959 00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:59,260 out how to pivot. I believe, honestly, and it's just kind of 960 00:57:59,260 --> 00:58:02,880 dawned on me that a lot of new artists can probably and as you 961 00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:09,000 guys to your Jay your point like owning who they are in the 962 00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:12,900 podcast space and then riding both sides of that fence, if 963 00:58:12,900 --> 00:58:16,740 that makes sense, you know, I mean, podcasts seem to be almost 964 00:58:16,740 --> 00:58:18,060 the new Radio these days. 965 00:58:19,260 --> 00:58:22,340 So podcasts are extremely important and, 966 00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:27,380 you know, but when you get that magical check from BMI, I got 967 00:58:27,380 --> 00:58:28,460 one for 20 bucks, 968 00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:33,920 dude, I think I can get, yeah, I know exactly. I think they had 969 00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,200 me confused with someone else, but I took it so, but 970 00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:42,460 I just, you know, to me, and it was a direct deposit, you know? 971 00:58:42,460 --> 00:58:45,400 So it's not like a BMI check that I got, but I was just like, 972 00:58:45,940 --> 00:58:49,660 dude, hell yeah. So I took that $20 I went straight out and 973 00:58:49,660 --> 00:58:52,000 bought $25 worth of tacos. That's 974 00:58:53,020 --> 00:58:56,140 what I'm gonna do with this money. But man, I mean, that's 975 00:58:56,140 --> 00:59:00,780 just, that's just magic. And you know, what I miss also, is how 976 00:59:00,780 --> 00:59:04,980 the festivals used to be, yeah, and you know, where you could 977 00:59:04,980 --> 00:59:08,400 come out, and you could come out you guys, could could, you know, 978 00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:12,180 DJ this whole festival, and you could put it on. You could talk 979 00:59:12,180 --> 00:59:15,600 about the artists you're like, guys, I am really excited to 980 00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:21,080 introduce Jared Rogers now, you know, and even festivals are not 981 00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:23,480 magical like they used to be. I know a lot of them have 982 00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:26,900 disappeared, like wheeling jamboree man. That was jamboree 983 00:59:26,900 --> 00:59:33,380 the hill, yeah, CMA fest back in the 90s. Oh, yeah, yeah. Fan 984 00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:37,220 Exactly, exactly. It was featured on an episode of King 985 00:59:37,220 --> 00:59:41,020 of the Hill fanfare. I believe that. I believe that because 986 00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:44,680 trace Adkins was in it. I believe that, man, I'm gonna 987 00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:47,020 tell you, I went to fanfare, I don't know how many years in a 988 00:59:47,020 --> 00:59:52,240 row, because my mom was, she was working with the artist and and, 989 00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:55,480 I mean, I can still remember like, Vince Gill riding on a 990 00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:59,200 golf cart, coming through the crowd, and Linda Davis, like, 991 00:59:59,200 --> 00:59:59,920 waving. And. 992 01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:03,300 And, and, you know, being able to go back there. And of course, 993 01:00:03,300 --> 01:00:06,000 it was normal to me, because we were doing it every day, because 994 01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:09,000 Opryland theme park was open, and the theater that was there. 995 01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:11,820 Do you guys ever go to the theater that was there? What was 996 01:00:11,820 --> 01:00:16,380 that called? Amphitheater? What was it? What was it called? I 997 01:00:16,380 --> 01:00:20,240 can remember seeing shows. I don't recall the name. So, you 998 01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:23,300 know, the sound booth was all the way at the top of the top of 999 01:00:23,300 --> 01:00:26,540 the seats, yeah? And like, a box, right? Yeah, he climbed 1000 01:00:26,540 --> 01:00:29,480 that ladder. That's where I'd sit every single show, oh, every 1001 01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:31,760 show that we were out there, that's where I was at. And we 1002 01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:35,600 had people like, when Lori was playing, she had Greg Morton 1003 01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:38,600 that was running sound, and he'd give me a radio because he's 1004 01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:39,620 supposed to be watching me. 1005 01:00:41,420 --> 01:00:43,780 No, no, Jared will come with me. And he's like, Jared, climb up 1006 01:00:43,780 --> 01:00:46,180 the ladder. Go sit up top. Here's a radio if you need me. I 1007 01:00:46,180 --> 01:00:50,140 was like, All right, cool. The same guy that when I was 11. Mom 1008 01:00:50,140 --> 01:00:54,040 was on the road with Lori or Tanya, all right. And he goes, 1009 01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:57,160 he would, every Sunday, he would pick me up. Every Sunday, he 1010 01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:00,300 would pick me up and he would take me to Pizza Hut. And I 1011 01:01:00,300 --> 01:01:02,940 turned 11, he goes, it's time to graduate. Took me 1012 01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:05,040 to Hooters. 1013 01:01:06,060 --> 01:01:09,360 I can see what you're doing here, you know? And and then 1014 01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:12,480 after, he's like, You know what, man, you need an earring. And I 1015 01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:14,700 was just like, did you ask my mom about this? He goes, Oh 1016 01:01:14,700 --> 01:01:17,640 yeah, she's totally cool with it. She did not know. 1017 01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:21,620 But this was the crowd that we had, like, Lori's band would 1018 01:01:21,620 --> 01:01:26,120 show up to all my baseball games and and it was just everybody 1019 01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:28,640 had mullets, of course, right? Yeah, they were permed. 1020 01:01:30,140 --> 01:01:32,900 So I don't know why you had to go with that. The Kentucky 1021 01:01:32,900 --> 01:01:36,260 waterfall, yeah, well, it was definitely falling, and 1022 01:01:36,980 --> 01:01:40,960 unfortunately, it's coming back. Yeah, it is. But unfortunate 1023 01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:43,600 though? Oh, it's unfortunate because nobody usually has 1024 01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:46,480 anything on top. I can. I can, yeah, you know, I can kind of do 1025 01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:49,660 the Gallagher thing, grow it back and yeah. Now, you know, 1026 01:01:49,660 --> 01:01:54,040 Gallagher didn't. He used to open the show for Kenny and and 1027 01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:58,900 one of Kenny's wives was on the front row, and she refused to 1028 01:01:58,900 --> 01:02:03,960 put on a raincoat, raincoat. So when he watermelon, it just 1029 01:02:05,700 --> 01:02:08,940 went, she was not happy. That's why they become an ex. 1030 01:02:11,700 --> 01:02:13,440 You know, it might have been Gallagher's 1031 01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:18,540 fault, but, man, to answer your question, and I'm sorry, I know 1032 01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:22,520 I go off on like 30 different topics, but music, the music 1033 01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:25,040 industry, used to be magic. It used to be something to be 1034 01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:27,440 marveled at. It used to be something to be looked up to, 1035 01:02:27,620 --> 01:02:30,440 and wanted every artist wanted to be a part of it. And there 1036 01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:33,680 was a reason for it. And now it has become such a gimmick. It 1037 01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:38,180 has become such a a tough industry, because, not because 1038 01:02:38,180 --> 01:02:40,900 it's, it's tough to break through on social media and 1039 01:02:40,900 --> 01:02:44,980 things like, it's because it's, it's, there's no magic there. 1040 01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:48,940 It's just like, now, what are we playing for? You know, I want to 1041 01:02:48,940 --> 01:02:53,080 get my music out there, but, you know, I mean, I'm still working 1042 01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:57,640 every week just to, just to pay my rent, and even though I get 1043 01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:00,900 the downloads and things like that, it's just, it's not doing 1044 01:03:00,900 --> 01:03:03,540 anything. How long you've been doing it? I've been, I've been 1045 01:03:03,540 --> 01:03:09,900 doing music for 25 years, and and so it's been a while, and 1046 01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:11,940 I've been able to, you know, I've had the whole tour bus 1047 01:03:11,940 --> 01:03:14,880 experience and going on tour, and went out with Rolling 1048 01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:18,120 Thunder, the motorcycle group from Vietnam veterans, yeah, and 1049 01:03:18,180 --> 01:03:23,360 rode across country on a fat boy and a tour bus, you know. And it 1050 01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:26,300 was cool. We played the reflection pool in Washington 1051 01:03:26,300 --> 01:03:29,060 with 1000s of people there. And you look off the front of the 1052 01:03:29,060 --> 01:03:31,700 stage, there's a Lincoln Memorial. And if you take two 1053 01:03:31,700 --> 01:03:34,940 steps back, because the stage was a piece of crap, you fall 1054 01:03:34,940 --> 01:03:35,420 into the pool. 1055 01:03:36,860 --> 01:03:40,100 It was and Nancy Sinatra actually opened that show for us 1056 01:03:40,100 --> 01:03:43,120 that day. Oh, wow, yeah, I think she was supposed to close it, 1057 01:03:43,420 --> 01:03:45,760 and she just decided she's there, she wants to go on now. 1058 01:03:46,180 --> 01:03:51,160 And she ended up singing like, 30 songs. And so when I woke up, 1059 01:03:51,340 --> 01:03:54,280 it was like, I was like, Oh my God, is it time to go on? It was 1060 01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:56,860 been like, two and a half hours, you know. So we're, like, way 1061 01:03:56,860 --> 01:04:01,380 behind schedule. And did those boots keep walking? Not far 1062 01:04:01,380 --> 01:04:03,360 enough, but to the reflecting pool. 1063 01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:08,220 There it is. Yeah, no, no. I mean, she was a sweetheart. But 1064 01:04:09,300 --> 01:04:12,000 their their band, I guess their manager, came up and asked if 1065 01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:14,700 they could, she could use our tour bus as a dressing room, 1066 01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:18,780 because there was a porta potty there, you know. And so we were 1067 01:04:18,780 --> 01:04:22,040 like, yeah. And then they wanted us all to get off the bus. And 1068 01:04:22,460 --> 01:04:24,800 I'm like, looking at everything, and I'm like, That album says 1069 01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:28,100 Jared Rogers, the bus says Jared. I just wanted to make 1070 01:04:28,100 --> 01:04:31,520 sure I'm on the right bus, you know. And she was sweet, but her 1071 01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:34,880 manager was, or, I don't know, maybe it was a bandleader or 1072 01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:37,880 something, but I can see his face, but I can't think of his 1073 01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:42,820 name. Was he not so nice? He was, he was, he was very nice, 1074 01:04:42,820 --> 01:04:46,120 but he was very entitled. Oh, you know, so it was just like, 1075 01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:48,040 I'm gonna need you guys to get off the bus. That's 1076 01:04:49,540 --> 01:04:52,240 usually the case, though. It's always, anytime I've dealt with 1077 01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:55,540 an artist, they're fine. Oh yeah, it's usually the manager 1078 01:04:55,540 --> 01:04:58,720 or the people around them that can be the real it can be 1079 01:04:58,720 --> 01:04:59,920 difficult. That's that's their. 1080 01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:00,600 Job, 1081 01:05:01,740 --> 01:05:04,440 like for me, I'm a really nice guy, but when you meet my mom 1082 01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:05,220 who manages, you 1083 01:05:07,380 --> 01:05:10,860 just got to look at the fan and go, I mean, it's not me. Yeah, 1084 01:05:10,860 --> 01:05:13,080 they write papers about how mean she is. 1085 01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:20,300 But yeah, it's but, yeah, man, the magic's gone and and I'm 1086 01:05:20,300 --> 01:05:26,480 doing my best to try to kind of lead my own path back to it and 1087 01:05:26,660 --> 01:05:29,420 and remember why I did it in the first place. Remember the needle 1088 01:05:29,420 --> 01:05:32,180 touch in the vinyl. Remember the sound and the crackling. 1089 01:05:32,180 --> 01:05:35,120 Remember how cool it was when I first saw my first rock and roll 1090 01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:39,080 video and my first concert. And, you know, used to watch Kenny. I 1091 01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:41,680 used to go to a lot of Kenny shows, and he would always throw 1092 01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:45,640 me the first tambourine. And so I had somewhere, I have a 1093 01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:46,720 collection of these things, 1094 01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:50,140 but it was just, and, 1095 01:05:51,340 --> 01:05:54,160 you know, they used to bring him out because he did a he did so, 1096 01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:57,040 like, here's the stadium, and then here's his stage, a circle 1097 01:05:57,040 --> 01:05:59,680 in the middle. And they used to bring him out in a, like a 1098 01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:02,580 travel road case because they couldn't get them through the 1099 01:06:02,580 --> 01:06:05,100 crowd. Yeah. So they would bring and they was Dolly too. She 1100 01:06:05,100 --> 01:06:07,260 would get him one of those, and they would bring her out. They'd 1101 01:06:07,260 --> 01:06:09,600 put her in the middle, and put him in the middle of the stage, 1102 01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:12,060 and they would walk up like he's been there the whole time. So 1103 01:06:12,060 --> 01:06:15,300 they did with Taylor Swift on her errors tour. Oh no, kid. 1104 01:06:15,300 --> 01:06:17,880 They put her in a case so because all the fans would be 1105 01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:21,140 able to see her walk it up, and they'd go ape crap. Oh yeah, I 1106 01:06:21,140 --> 01:06:23,780 believe it. She's a great entertainer, man. She doesn't 1107 01:06:24,140 --> 01:06:27,680 good songwriter. I'd love to see, I'd love to see somebody in 1108 01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:30,860 that position try to bring back the magic of music, yeah, 1109 01:06:30,860 --> 01:06:33,560 because she has the power to do it. She does. And I think if she 1110 01:06:33,740 --> 01:06:37,820 were to swear off the DSPS. I mean, that's the thing, is that, 1111 01:06:37,820 --> 01:06:40,360 you know, right now we're going, I believe we're going through an 1112 01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:43,720 era of the walmartization of music, you've got AI, you've got 1113 01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:46,660 other people who are creating music out there that are, I'm a 1114 01:06:46,660 --> 01:06:49,540 songwriter now, but I'm using suno. You know, you're having 1115 01:06:49,540 --> 01:06:51,340 that kind of an effect happening. But it's the 1116 01:06:51,340 --> 01:06:54,940 walmartization. There's so much content being created right now 1117 01:06:54,940 --> 01:06:58,180 that nobody in probably 30 lifetimes will be able to 1118 01:06:58,180 --> 01:07:01,920 actually watch it all. No. And, you know, you just hit the AI 1119 01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:05,580 thing. I have a couple friends that did their entire album on 1120 01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:08,640 AI and, like, you can listen to and you're like, that's not you 1121 01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:12,300 singing, you know, and stuff, but they're, they're pushing it. 1122 01:07:12,300 --> 01:07:14,100 They're pushing it. I got a friend that, 1123 01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:19,980 an acquaintance, that built an entire AI artist, Oh, yeah. And 1124 01:07:19,980 --> 01:07:22,520 they're promoting it like we're actually going to do live shows. 1125 01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:27,080 Now, is he gonna, is he creating an avatar in AI that he's gonna 1126 01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:30,740 mimic? There's, there's, there's no mimic. It's just pushing it 1127 01:07:30,740 --> 01:07:33,320 on social media and streaming. I get that, but the only, like, 1128 01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:36,680 the only thing that's really left is the live performance. 1129 01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:38,600 You know what? I mean, there's nothing you can do there. I 1130 01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:42,400 mean, there's probably merch and all that stuff, but breaking 1131 01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:46,960 rust two months ago, had the number one song, digital 1132 01:07:47,020 --> 01:07:49,780 streaming song on the country charts. Oh, and that was a 1133 01:07:49,780 --> 01:07:54,220 completely AI composed artist with an AI generated so I just 1134 01:07:54,220 --> 01:07:56,980 sent, I don't know if you saw it, I emailed you guys 1135 01:07:56,980 --> 01:08:00,780 yesterday, yes, an artist, quote, unquote, that's totally 1136 01:08:01,020 --> 01:08:06,000 AI. Yes, that is like number three on iTunes. Yeah, right 1137 01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:10,620 now, and I forget it was, it's kind of a sole RnB thing. Well, 1138 01:08:10,620 --> 01:08:14,940 it's just we're not even gonna know what's real anymore. It's 1139 01:08:14,940 --> 01:08:17,940 like, eventually people are not gonna be needed. No, you know 1140 01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:22,220 true. Well, it's like I was talking to a guy in radio up in 1141 01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:26,300 Michigan, and he's just, he just loving this. Ai, you know, he's 1142 01:08:26,300 --> 01:08:30,680 going, I have now two news people that that aren't even, 1143 01:08:30,740 --> 01:08:33,740 you know, they're not human. They're all AI, he said, This 1144 01:08:33,740 --> 01:08:37,160 thing's Great. I'm thinking as he's telling me this, I'm 1145 01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:40,540 thinking, but do you realize this will probably be the mean, 1146 01:08:40,540 --> 01:08:44,080 the end to you and your employment there. And not to 1147 01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:46,780 mention that every time you come out with something new, AI, 1148 01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:49,660 you're killing some kind of an artist's dream Exactly. You 1149 01:08:49,660 --> 01:08:53,620 know, it's like, I can, you can put into like, what's that one 1150 01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:57,040 chat? GPT, you could put in there, Paint me a portrait of 1151 01:08:57,040 --> 01:09:02,700 this, and make it water colored, look and, and kind of rough, 1152 01:09:02,700 --> 01:09:05,820 like, rub a good around the edges. It'll do it. And all of a 1153 01:09:05,820 --> 01:09:08,640 sudden, Rembrandt doesn't mean anything. Yeah, you know, so 1154 01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:11,760 Exactly, it's tough, man, it's tough. Yeah, it's, it's, it's, 1155 01:09:11,820 --> 01:09:14,700 it's killing us. Man, yeah, what I, what I said yesterday, 1156 01:09:15,420 --> 01:09:20,240 mysterious new blues singer Eddie Dalton made the iTunes top 1157 01:09:20,300 --> 01:09:25,820 100 singles chart 11 times this month. Is actually a fake singer 1158 01:09:25,820 --> 01:09:30,020 that's entirely AI generated, and it's the work of creator 1159 01:09:30,020 --> 01:09:33,020 Dallas little who's based in Greenville, South Carolina. 1160 01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:37,580 Well, he's named appropriate, yeah, and reach the number three 1161 01:09:37,580 --> 01:09:43,000 on iTunes Top album chart. I mean, again, you just, I mean, 1162 01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:48,280 believer, right? Faith and Christianity, none of this is 1163 01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:49,540 mentioned in Revelation. 1164 01:09:52,180 --> 01:09:55,000 I mean, you know, just to kind of get on another philosophical 1165 01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:57,940 bent. But, you know, a lot of this kind of stuff is not so I'm 1166 01:09:57,940 --> 01:09:59,920 wondering if there's we're worried about. 1167 01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,880 Nothing, you know, it's disruptive at the point it's 1168 01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:06,180 been having. It's forcing us to kind of pivot and rethink things 1169 01:10:06,420 --> 01:10:09,240 and how they're done. None of this is 1170 01:10:10,260 --> 01:10:13,260 mentioned. Man, I'll tell you this is, 1171 01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:18,480 you know, it, no, it wasn't mentioned there. But I'll tell 1172 01:10:18,480 --> 01:10:21,560 you where it was mentioned was Terminator and I Robot. And, 1173 01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:25,040 yes, those movies are serious now, a sudden, they mean 1174 01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:27,980 something more than Arnold Schwarzenegger, you know, just 1175 01:10:27,980 --> 01:10:30,620 shooting a bunch of people now they mean something because it 1176 01:10:30,620 --> 01:10:34,760 is going somewhere. And, you know, Melania Trump walked out 1177 01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:38,180 the other day with an AI robot walking next to her. Yes, I'm 1178 01:10:38,180 --> 01:10:41,740 just like, and it begins, you know, I mean, you know, that's 1179 01:10:41,740 --> 01:10:45,940 what's scary, man is like, AI is meant to progress and get 1180 01:10:45,940 --> 01:10:50,380 smarter and smarter and smarter and so, you know, we're pretty 1181 01:10:50,380 --> 01:10:54,700 much stopped learning at like, 28 so, you know, eventually, 1182 01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:57,160 like I said, eventually we're not gonna be needed. The music 1183 01:10:57,160 --> 01:11:00,040 industry is gonna be like, maybe the gorillas did it right at 1184 01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:02,160 first, where they had characters, yes, and they just 1185 01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:04,380 did it like that. You know what? They missed out, though. And it 1186 01:11:04,380 --> 01:11:07,620 just dawned on me with the Terminator movies, how AI got a 1187 01:11:07,620 --> 01:11:12,120 hold of all the nukes that would terminate the AI too. You would 1188 01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:15,120 think so that's true, because it's an EMP that goes off. Well, 1189 01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:18,180 maybe that was, maybe that was the idea, though. Yeah, if it 1190 01:11:18,180 --> 01:11:20,400 knocks out while they they're the ones in the movie, they're 1191 01:11:20,460 --> 01:11:23,240 the AI is what's set off. Yeah, they don't get rid of humanity, 1192 01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:25,940 yeah, because they took over. Yeah. So, I mean, they'd almost 1193 01:11:25,940 --> 01:11:28,880 be doing themselves a disservice, because the EMP that 1194 01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:32,540 is detonated when you detonate a nuke. Why are we talking about 1195 01:11:32,540 --> 01:11:35,840 this? But anyway, we've gone down this road. It's relevant. 1196 01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:39,200 It's a plot hole. Well, and I think it's great that I heart if 1197 01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:42,880 you listen to any of their radio stations at the top of the hour, 1198 01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:46,780 they say entirely human. Oh, really, yeah. Okay. So I Heart 1199 01:11:46,780 --> 01:11:49,840 Radio is the one that I think people should be trying to get 1200 01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:53,740 with more than other like, stay away from Spotify Apple Music. 1201 01:11:53,740 --> 01:11:56,920 Stay away from all those guys. I Heart Radio because they'll 1202 01:11:56,920 --> 01:11:59,500 still interview, but I think Don't you still have to be on 1203 01:11:59,500 --> 01:12:01,800 like the top 20 to get an interview on there. Oh, yeah, 1204 01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:04,320 yeah. So, I mean, that's corporate radio. That's what's 1205 01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:07,080 corporate radio. It's gone totally corporate. And that's 1206 01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:10,980 what killed, that's what killed, you know, guys like us being 1207 01:12:10,980 --> 01:12:14,580 able to break new artists, yeah? But I think ultimately, that 1208 01:12:14,580 --> 01:12:17,520 autonomy, eventually, that it's, it will, should. I would think 1209 01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:20,600 it was going to come back around. It'll have to, because 1210 01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:24,440 music radios die. It's dying, but at the same time, the i 1211 01:12:24,440 --> 01:12:27,500 hearts are top heavy. They're debt laden. They're a public 1212 01:12:27,500 --> 01:12:31,100 company. Cumulus just went private again. They're 1213 01:12:31,100 --> 01:12:35,180 completely debt laden. They just declared bankruptcy again. Yeah, 1214 01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:38,120 okay, there's only so many times that you can rebrand, right? 1215 01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:41,740 Okay, until you're just done, and eventually you got to sell 1216 01:12:41,740 --> 01:12:45,040 off all your assets, yeah, well, and liquidate. And you said it 1217 01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:49,360 recently that young people are really, they don't like AI, they 1218 01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:53,560 don't like AI. They want more human, more authentic, plus 1219 01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:56,620 they're, they're liking vinyl. If you notice, most of the vinyl 1220 01:12:56,620 --> 01:12:59,380 sales now are young people. Well, that's just it, like, 1221 01:12:59,380 --> 01:13:02,400 like, I can come out now, and for my merch, I won't even, I'll 1222 01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:06,780 probably buy 200 albums just to kind of give away, yeah, and 1223 01:13:06,780 --> 01:13:09,720 then I'll buy nothing but vinyls, you know, just to, just 1224 01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:12,000 to sell. It shows Yeah, because that's what people want. They 1225 01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:14,580 want vinyls. It's not even CD players in cars anymore. No, 1226 01:13:14,580 --> 01:13:17,100 there's no, there haven't been for a while. But yeah, for the 1227 01:13:17,100 --> 01:13:17,820 first time in 2025 1228 01:13:19,140 --> 01:13:20,840 for the first time since 1989 1229 01:13:22,100 --> 01:13:27,380 I think vinyl sales outpaced CD sales. I think it was 1230 01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:33,020 the hunters from that show. My daughter loves the show. What's 1231 01:13:33,020 --> 01:13:37,100 it called? Demon Hunters? That song, platinum. K Pop. Yeah, it 1232 01:13:37,100 --> 01:13:40,220 went platinum. And so they got, they received their platinum, I 1233 01:13:40,220 --> 01:13:43,600 think on like Jimmy Fallon or something. But you know, I mean, 1234 01:13:43,900 --> 01:13:47,020 I was really lucky to be able to come on your show today, and you 1235 01:13:47,020 --> 01:13:50,740 know John to join us, and you know Jay reached out, and it was 1236 01:13:50,740 --> 01:13:55,240 just, you know, so I'd love to see, I'd love to, I'd love to 1237 01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:56,740 hear you guys on radio all the time, 1238 01:13:58,180 --> 01:14:01,140 like, even when I had Reggie, or maybe Reggie said it on our 1239 01:14:01,140 --> 01:14:03,960 show, or my show. I can't remember what happened, but he 1240 01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:07,620 says even bringing back human imperfection into music 1241 01:14:07,620 --> 01:14:11,460 production. Oh yeah, get rid of the grid. Get rid of the click. 1242 01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:14,280 Let the guys just play, looking at each other. How, with that 1243 01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:18,000 human connection that's intrinsic, like, you know that 1244 01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:21,020 that when, when Bruce Springsteen has got that one 1245 01:14:21,020 --> 01:14:24,440 note that he's got a vis hitting the flat every now and then 1246 01:14:24,440 --> 01:14:24,800 he's, like, 1247 01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:30,500 born in the USA, yeah, that's, I think needs to make a comeback. 1248 01:14:30,500 --> 01:14:33,260 You read my mind on that. Because I was just saying, like, 1249 01:14:33,260 --> 01:14:35,540 how cool it is when you go out to a show and, like, these 1250 01:14:35,540 --> 01:14:40,720 musicians get a wrong note, you know? And dude, nice. I think 1251 01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:45,160 one of the most exciting, and I beg anybody to argue with me 1252 01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:48,280 over this, but one of the most exciting records that's still 1253 01:14:48,280 --> 01:14:52,420 out there was one from the 60s, Dave Clark, five glad all over. 1254 01:14:52,480 --> 01:14:54,820 I mean, I'll argue with you, but it's not gonna go anywhere, 1255 01:14:54,820 --> 01:14:55,120 because 1256 01:14:57,460 --> 01:14:59,920 you're gonna win, because that record had so. 1257 01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:04,740 Much energy too, you know? And a lot of the records today, they 1258 01:15:04,740 --> 01:15:08,460 just don't have that, right? I mean, you know the old rare 1259 01:15:08,460 --> 01:15:13,740 earth records, yes, oh my gosh. I mean, those things still sound 1260 01:15:13,740 --> 01:15:17,580 fantastic, but there's a raw energy to that, right, that you 1261 01:15:17,580 --> 01:15:21,140 just don't hear. No, you know who I really enjoy listening to, 1262 01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:26,240 especially on mine. Oh, Joe Bonamassa. Yeah, dude killer. 1263 01:15:26,420 --> 01:15:31,400 And I was a third row in his show in Knoxville, and I had 1264 01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:34,760 never seen him live, but I've seen 1000 videos of them, and I 1265 01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:37,460 knew all this music and stuff, but I'm sitting there, and my 1266 01:15:37,460 --> 01:15:39,620 dad calls me and goes, Hey, man, do you want to go to Joe 1267 01:15:39,620 --> 01:15:42,340 Bonamassa? And I was like, why would you ask me stupid 1268 01:15:42,340 --> 01:15:46,120 questions? Send me the tickets. Tell me so we go out there, and 1269 01:15:46,180 --> 01:15:49,180 my wife and I, we ride out there and and when we got there, we're 1270 01:15:49,180 --> 01:15:52,060 in the third row. And if you do not leave those shows with your 1271 01:15:52,060 --> 01:15:55,840 ears ringing, you didn't, you didn't do it right, right? Yeah. 1272 01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:58,300 I mean, your ears are supposed to be ringing, yeah. You know, 1273 01:15:58,300 --> 01:16:00,420 you're supposed to wake up the next morning just be like, I 1274 01:16:00,540 --> 01:16:03,480 didn't drink it all, and I'm hungover, you know? Oh, yeah, 1275 01:16:03,480 --> 01:16:06,300 so, yeah, that's a rock and roll show to me, right? Yeah? And 1276 01:16:06,300 --> 01:16:08,940 that dude, I mean, he can, he can play the phone book on that 1277 01:16:08,940 --> 01:16:13,620 thing. Yeah, that's that. Well, Jared man, you know, appreciate 1278 01:16:13,620 --> 01:16:17,160 you coming and joining us. And of course, thanks again to to 1279 01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:21,980 John Barry for for joining us for a bit, but again, we've 1280 01:16:21,980 --> 01:16:25,640 enjoyed getting to know you a little more and wish you nothing 1281 01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:30,200 but the best. And you know, we hope that perhaps you can 1282 01:16:30,440 --> 01:16:34,400 achieve that ultimate dream by doing it your way. We're we're 1283 01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:37,400 gonna give it our best shot. You know, go out as ourselves, or 1284 01:16:38,780 --> 01:16:43,120 did you guys want to play it? Yeah, yes, definitely, yeah. I 1285 01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:46,660 think folks will, because it's a great tune. Really enjoy this. 1286 01:16:47,740 --> 01:16:50,380 Jared Rogers along with John Barry, you 1287 01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:08,220 he's lived so long with a troubled mind, because often the 1288 01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:15,420 right place he's been too long, on a rocky path. See the miles 1289 01:17:15,420 --> 01:17:20,880 upon his face he's been living in the shadows, 1290 01:17:22,380 --> 01:17:25,160 hiding. From his guiding light, 1291 01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:32,600 he's trying to turn his life around from 1292 01:17:34,580 --> 01:17:35,360 doing wrong to 1293 01:17:36,380 --> 01:17:37,160 doing right. 1294 01:17:44,440 --> 01:17:45,040 There's a bridge 1295 01:17:46,240 --> 01:17:46,300 we 1296 01:17:47,980 --> 01:17:49,540 almost cross leads 1297 01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:52,720 us to the choices 1298 01:17:53,740 --> 01:17:53,920 there. 1299 01:18:14,100 --> 01:18:17,100 Leads us to the choices, yes, sir, yeah, and there's John 1300 01:18:17,100 --> 01:18:18,540 Barry. Pop that back up a 1301 01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:20,580 little bit, 1302 01:18:22,440 --> 01:18:23,300 almost. 1303 01:18:25,580 --> 01:18:26,480 Left Behind 1304 01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:28,100 the love of 1305 01:18:29,420 --> 01:18:32,120 his children and his wife, she cried upon his shoulders. 1306 01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:36,080 God, please lend a helping hand. 1307 01:18:39,140 --> 01:18:40,240 Your voices really 1308 01:18:43,060 --> 01:18:45,400 compliment each other. Well, we got in there, it was just 1309 01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:50,320 flowing. Yeah, sounds like he's a rock star. I mean, John such a 1310 01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:54,700 pro man. Oh yeah, go in there. Knock it out. You know, I've 1311 01:18:54,700 --> 01:18:58,420 been in the studio a million times and and the one thing that 1312 01:18:58,420 --> 01:19:00,840 I like to be able to go in there and do is to say I'm still 1313 01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:03,720 learning, y'all know, yeah. And then when you surround yourself 1314 01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:06,900 with people like that, you don't talk, you just, you just watch 1315 01:19:06,900 --> 01:19:10,680 and listen and and, you know, you pop a joke in there every 1316 01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:13,140 now and then, just to have some fun, build the camaraderie and 1317 01:19:13,140 --> 01:19:16,800 things like that. But, but never walk into a room with somebody 1318 01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:19,680 of that status and assume you're going to teach them something. 1319 01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:23,420 Let them take the lead, you know, I mean, he changed the 1320 01:19:23,420 --> 01:19:26,780 phrasing on the song, yeah, you know, because it wasn't me 1321 01:19:26,780 --> 01:19:30,620 singing it anymore. It was him singing it. So Kent's like, Oh, 1322 01:19:30,620 --> 01:19:34,100 do you want to tell him the phrasing and, and, you know, we 1323 01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:37,160 had to do a couple things, but like, where it was just like, 1324 01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:39,200 you know, we're like, Oh no, it's this word. And he goes, 1325 01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:42,460 Dad, God, I keep saying that word, but it was, you know, for 1326 01:19:42,460 --> 01:19:46,780 the most part, Ken's just like, just let John be John, you know, 1327 01:19:47,020 --> 01:19:49,600 and so, and I learned a lot from Ken. I learned a lot from John 1328 01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:52,900 and Kevin Willis, who did the mixing and the and the mastering 1329 01:19:52,900 --> 01:19:57,040 on the man, that dude just killer. Well, it's very nice, 1330 01:19:57,040 --> 01:19:59,920 and best to you on it. And we. 1331 01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:03,480 Trashing me, yeah, of course, of course. I want one of those 1332 01:20:03,660 --> 01:20:05,220 jerseys. Everybody says that. 1333 01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:10,560 Sell them. Yeah, you need to except to me, because it was my 1334 01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:10,800 idea. 1335 01:20:12,180 --> 01:20:13,380 I get a free one, exactly. 1336 01:20:14,460 --> 01:20:18,000 Well, hey, that is gonna wrap up this episode. Johnny B, you want 1337 01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:20,720 to tell them where they can find us. Well, they can find us 1338 01:20:20,720 --> 01:20:24,020 everywhere. You find great podcasts. You can also check out 1339 01:20:24,020 --> 01:20:27,800 our YouTube page. You can check us out on all the socials, like 1340 01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:33,440 Facebook, x, or was Instagram, the gram. And you can also check 1341 01:20:33,440 --> 01:20:37,340 out circling the drain.net, and you'll find all kinds of cool 1342 01:20:37,340 --> 01:20:40,900 stuff there, including T shirts. 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