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Look, I am sick and tired of hearing about this goddamn sheriff. Hey Phil,

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forget about this Sheriff. Just tell me what the hell are you trying to prove?

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You saw his cellular structure. It's completely deranged. It's regenerating new

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cells. The lattice is distorts beyond anything human. Oh shit. Come on.

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You're jumping the gun and drawing conclusions before all the evidence

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is in. So what's wrong with you? What are you talking about,

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jumping the gun? What are you in such a hurry for? What are you afraid

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somebody's gonna beat you to a new patent? Make some licensing arrangement with some chemical

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company or something? Go fuck yourself, Phil. Don't give me

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that shit. What is this crap? Stealing human bodies and tampering with

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them for our own experiments? Look, Phil, tell me what you're trying to do.

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What are you trying to do? Create a new breed of man. Superman. Physically invulnerable.

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What about the higher functions? Rationality, thought, emotions.

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Phil, listen to me, man. The mind is my field.

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Now I thought I would never say this about a human being, but that sucker

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is better off dead. Now either you terminate Kirby, or I'm gonna do it.

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Who the hell do you think you're talking?

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Do I have to remind you that I am your boss and

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I will decide what happens in here and when. Not you.

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Now get the fuck outta here. Hello folks.

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Welcome to Cinema Beef podcast. I am one of your hosts, Gary Hill.

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With me tonight is the guys you hear in Last call of

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Torchies. That's not such a bad thing in my opinion.

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One of those guys from. From north the border for

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from. From both of us is the wonderful amazing

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host of they Must Be Destroyed on Site podcast,

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Mr. Lee Russell. How you doing, sir? I'm doing pretty good.

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Just sitting here with. Ready to talk about the.

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The exquisite acting of one Charles Norris.

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And last but certainly not least, the guy that

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of shows, all of those things. Mr.

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Cameron Scott. How you doing, sir? I'm doing great. I'm ready

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to talk about some good old fashioned ground chuck.

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100 ground chuck. The glasses two by

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She has all the subtlety and range of a 2x4.

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You know, sometimes he does. Yes indeed. You know,

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we'll go get into that. You know,

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poor Flounder. Hey, we'll get into that. But I'll

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start show the same way I always start the show. And I'll ask

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Lee first what he's been watching. Yeah, all right.

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So I feel like I'm just Gonna repeat what I was talking to Cameron

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about here while you were, uh, not in the call yet,

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but so I watched

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God, I gotta look up the name again because I'm gonna get it wrong

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and that'd be really stupid of me.

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The night of the following day from 1969,

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it's a Marlon Brando and Richard Boone

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crime movie. This is like,

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a little while before he finally just blew up during Godfather

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and Apocalypse now and all those movies where he just got to be big fat

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Brando. But, but he's in

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shape. He's lean and mean. In this one, him and Richard Boone

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kidnappers who kidnapped this rich

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heiress played by Pamela Franklin.

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at the airport and they take her to the French coastline and keep

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her under wraps in a little cottage. And basically

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they set up the ransom and the exchange for the money and stuff.

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Marlon Brando's having second thoughts about doing the job.

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all the problems you don't need when you're trying to run

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a kidnapping. So they're, they're all their problems

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are coming to a head and it's basically just all

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who keeps wandering around the beach and keeps kind of showing up at

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the end that's like just head scratchingly bad. It's, it's a,

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movie and you kind of, and it just kind of ruins

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the experience. But there's, there's up

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really good movie. Now for

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something really terrible. Paramount plus just put

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shows in how this movie's done because they

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of television. But done here it just feels

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Mission Impossible or Ocean's Eleven caper kind of stuff. And like that sounds

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know if you know, if you remember, Gary, the original

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Star Trek series, they had two aliens

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base guy, half black, half white face.

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black, half white. And the whole episode was this

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really boneheaded stupid analogy

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for racism. Basically. It was just, it was like,

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guess what guys? Racism bad. No kidding. And like that's one of those original

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series episodes that everyone wants to forget because it

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was just so badly done and so stupid. And so, like, just obviously

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back into this movie. And I was again,

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are best left in the original series. You don't have to bring them

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back as like a cute callback or a wink or anything like

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that. Like, you can. I. I hated when the series

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Star Trek Enterprise brought back the Gorn because. Because they made them

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these weird CGI lizard men that really look terrible

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on their own. And it's like, you know what? The Gorn were best

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left in that dude in the lizard suit fighting Captain Kirk.

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of the United Federation of Planets. It is about,

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you know, uniting the planets and uniting the races, uniting the

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species, you know, and it goes way back to,

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you know, before I was alive, this idea.

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You know, I don't know why they're gonna shove it in your face.

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I guess for the sake of wokeness, I guess. But it's not. I don't even

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think it's a woke thing. I just think some dumbass who was writing

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this thought it would be a cute in joke to like have

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one of those, One of the characters, one of the people from that race

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show up in this modern series. And it's like, I don't

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need to see that. It was kind of like when they did Deep Space Nine

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and they brought back the. They integrated the old footage from the original

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with you because, yeah, that, that episode was excellent. And they

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actually brought back. And I forget his name,

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but we talked about. I just did an episode of my podcast where we talked

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about the monolith monsters and one of the actors in that was the guy

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who played the surgically altered Klingon in the Trouble

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with Tribbles. And that guy did not age at all because they

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brought, they brought him back for the Deep Space Nine episode as well.

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some stuff is just left best,

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you know, just best left in the original series. It's just, you know, you don't

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need to see it again. Yeah, that's a

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shame too, because, you know, the, the Star Trek output that they've been putting

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out, it has been top notch. They've write

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oh, yeah, there it is. And that was, that was, that was very smartly done.

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boss man. How old she

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you can't. And it's a movie, right? You said a movie. Yeah,

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it's a movie. Yeah. Maybe they were trying to make it a series and

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what I understand was Michelle yo wanted to come back and play that character

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because it was like a character that was introduced in Star

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Trek Discovery, I guess. And she played in that for quite a while.

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let's do a spin off series with this character. That'd be really cool.

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different directions. They did, you know, strange new worlds and they did the lower

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decks and stuff like that. And they just decided, you know what,

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we're not going to do a series. But we'll still, we'll still run with this

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just for the hell of it, I guess. But they made it a TV movie

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instead. And it's obvious to me that it feels like

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a really chopped down version of like their pilot or

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and it just, it just looks like that, it just looks like

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something that's had a bunch of appendages cut off and a

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bunch of things that are going nowhere that would go somewhere if there was a

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series to back it, but there's not going to be a series to back it.

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all this work? Just for, for one. A one off.

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the worst thing I've ever seen. With Star Trek put

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on its branded on it. It's, it's just, it's bad. It's really bad.

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Makes me sad, you know, but yo deserves better.

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Yeah. Yep. Hey, genre actress. Anyway, that, that show,

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those, you know, later Trek shows were built on genre actors.

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I don't know, 25 aliens at some Point in time on those shows.

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Yeah. You know, they always talked about it.

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He's like, Tony, you can't talk to Tony Todd now. But we talked to him

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about his, his Trek experience. He's another one. Just.

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There's nothing positivity about it. You know,

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the fact they got Michelle Yoda to say, hey, we're gonna do the starring

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vehicle for you. If you can't do that and

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do it right, you know, with that person. I question

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the showrunners. And as that sense, I mean,

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them. Putting it on Paramount plus like this as a TV movie just.

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Just tells me that they wanted to bury it as quickly as possible.

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Yeah, they knew it wasn't good and they wanted to bury it,

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which is also baffling because this is,

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you know, within the same like parent companies and stuff that

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will totally film an entire movie and then just

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ax the thing and show it to nobody. But they'll

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stick this on their Paramount plus. Okay. Oh,

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they're all doing that now. Yeah, Warner is all those people. You know,

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eventually we may see that bad girl movie,

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but you know, you make a whole movie that I don't know what it costs,

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but I had to be a pretty penny and say, you're not gonna watch this

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now. It just, it just, it just goes. Yeah, it just,

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it just goes to show like a

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lot of movies, you know, to talk about movies failing and stuff like that.

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Like they didn't make the returns in their initial release and stuff that they're hoping

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for yet they can write off some movies as just a tax write

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off. Like a hundred million dollar movie is a tax write off or whatever.

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It's like you. We can afford to lose $150 million.

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To hell with you all y'all. Yeah,

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yeah, that's me. Yeah.

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Sir Lee. Go ahead, Cameron. I've been.

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Haven't had a whole lot of time to watch a whole lot of movies,

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but I have gone to theaters twice in the last couple weeks.

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I saw the newest public

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domain kind of ripoff movie, I guess you would call

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it. Although I kind of enjoy a lot of these lower level

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movies. I went to go see Peter Pan's Neverland Nightmare.

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Nice. And there was like five other people in the theater, which was like

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kind of telling how much they promoted this movie because I don't think

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anybody knew it was out. But it, you know,

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it. I'll say this, it was, in short,

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without ruining a whole lot. It was a. It was better than the Winnie the

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Pooh movies. It was better than some of the, the like The Three Blind Mice

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and the Bamb, you know, retreads that they've

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been doing. I kind of like that they brought Peter

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Pan like into the realm of reality where he

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thinks he's mystical, but like he, he's really not.

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And that's all I'll kind of say on that.

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There's, you know, like the pixie dust is not pixie dust.

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Just, just heroin, you know.

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But you know, it was, it was bloody, it was gory, it was low

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budget, it was shot, it was shot really well. There was an

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inexplicable bus full of kids that

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just get mutilated and, and murdered.

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but I'm kind of glad they did in a manner of speaking. I don't that

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says about my moral compass at all, but.

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But them kids anyway.

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But you know, it was like I said, it was bloody, it was gory,

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the, the body count was high. It was, it was just a good old piece

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of modern day exploitation trash. And I

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kind of, I kind of enjoyed it, you know, I mean I didn't love it,

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but I liked it. But what I did just see yesterday

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was the new Wolf Man. And I gotta say,

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for a movie that has not done well and I've over heard like overwhelmingly

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bad things about, I really, really enjoyed.

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I know like a lot of people don't. Didn't like Leigh Whannell's

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previous movie, the, the. The Invisible man, which I also thought was

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really, really good. It puts a new, you know, this isn't your grandpa's,

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you know, Wolf Man. That isn't your universal monsters. Wolf Man.

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This isn't, you know, again, I know I feel like I'm advocating for a

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remake, which is usually not my forte, but I like

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the transformation scenes and kind of some point of view shots that are

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done in, in it. It's shot really well, albeit it's really dark in

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some places. So it kind of, you know, I have bad

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eyes. So it was this. I spelled myself squinting through most of it to try

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to like see what the hell was going on. I like the general

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overall transformation of the Wolf Man.

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I didn't enjoy the final look of him,

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if that makes sense at all. You know, like the, where they, where they

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started was one thing, but where they ended up was another. Like I was talking

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with, you know, Lee before we, we came on the air,

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you know, like we were. I watched a couple other werewolf movies.

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Not by really choice, just by almost kind of accident, I watched

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that werewolves With Frank Grillo, you know,

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and that, that was more of it, like, let's face it, that was more like,

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you know, as Lee and I were discussing. That was like the Purge. But we're

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werewolves. Yeah. You know, but it was still good. It was actually,

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you know, it had a lot of, you know, blow them up, shoot them up,

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action. But I kind of agree. Frank Grillo needs to, needs to,

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you know, pick a lane and run with it, I think.

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Yeah, just he's better in, like,

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small, like, crime films and stuff like that where

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he doesn't have to, he doesn't have to possibly break

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his hip doing action scenes. I mean, he still looks great for a guy who's

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like 60 now, but, like, come on.

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Yeah, yeah, I agree. And for stuff that I've kind

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of retreaded because I do a lot of re watches in the last couple of

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weeks, I've decided to revisit the entire From Dustal

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dawn series. And I,

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I realized that those movies steadily got worse because

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I hadn't watched the second or third one in many, many years. Although the

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first one, the original, you know, I revisit quite often. I love,

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you know, from Dustel Dawn, I think dustel dawn 2

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blood money, you know, is a good, it's kind of

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like a good crime caper. It's a good crime thriller. Just,

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just happens to have vampires in it. Yeah. And the

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third one, gosh, man, poor Michael

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Parks, you know, rest in peace, man. But that man deserved

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much better than what he was given in,

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you know, dustel dawn 3, which I think was called the Hangman's Daughter, which is,

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you know. Is that the one with Bon Jovi?

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No, that's the vampire sequel.

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Oh, that's right. John Carpenter's vampires. Yeah.

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Imagine me mixing those up. Because.

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But, but yeah, the one with Michael Parks where he play,

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like, Ambrose Beers or whatever. Yes. Yeah,

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yeah. I mean, he's great in it, but like, you know,

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when you have a cast like that that has Rebecca Gayhart in it and Danny

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Trejo and Orlando Jones in it, it's just like,

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who was charge of casting that movie? I, I,

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I want to talk to them and just like shows on the doll where they

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hurt you. Because this, this is just not

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good. But, you know, I enjoy him as a trilogy, you know, all together,

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that they're, they're all right. But third one, I can

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be quite honest, I can just live without that. The second one's a lot of

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fun. I mean, Scott Spiegel directed it, so it's, you Know, he's part of the

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Roommate, not Romero crew, the Raimi crew,

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you know, so it's definitely got, you know, some of those kind of tropes in

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it with the wacky camera work and the Bruce Campbell cameo,

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but that one's a fun movie. But in

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defense of Orlando Jones, you know, as a comedic presence,

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I've always liked him. It's like a horror presence.

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It's kind of like, you know, in Defense of Dougie Doug, when he

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shows up in comedy stuff, I like it a lot. But when he shows me

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Dr. Giggles, not so much. Okay.

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It's just like looking at my watch. When are you gonna die, man? When are

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you gonna die? Oh, look, hopefully soon. Hopefully soon. Yeah. Especially when Larry

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Drake's funny enough in that film. So, yeah, you didn't

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need any more comic relief in that movie. Larry Drake was enough. But,

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yeah, that's pretty much all I've been watching. I did start watching

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Monarch. Oh, yeah. The Godzilla show, with which

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I was disappointed in the first two episodes because my man Kurt Russell

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does not show up. He's like. It's elicit as being in every episode. I feel

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like that was a bait and switch. But when he shows up in episode three,

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that's when things start getting good. Yeah,

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I watched some of that and dropped it, but I liked it. It's just

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some. I really. It takes a lot for me to get into a

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TV show these days. It's just like, yeah, same, same.

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But yeah, that's really all I've been watching, man.

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Cool. Yeah, not a lot on my end either, because it

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did so Lost. I've done one of these, so it's hard to say, hey,

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I watched this recently, so I'll tell

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you a couple of things. I rewatched

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Dudes for one thing, which I don't want to get too far into, Dudes,

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because I. One day I want to do that movie. Wait, like Daniel Roebuck,

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John Crier, dudes? Yes. Okay. Because I

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have a lot of fun with that movie. And if you guys don't know,

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they call it a punk rock western, It's. I got two mentioned before.

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Flea is in this movie for a hot second. Not going to give that away.

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Leaving. And of course, the ageless Catherine.

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Mary Stewart is in that movie doing some Annie Oakley

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with the gun and stuff. And, you know,

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it's just a fun movie about two friends looking for their friend's killer.

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And, you know, it. It gets. It gets oddly

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Native American esque. So if you're offended by the slightest goopy

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Thing Danny Roebuck has a vision quest. He becomes partial Native

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American for some reason. This movie, I couldn't tell you. But you know what?

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It begins good and it ends good. And there's a cat in my lap right

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now. Get down Duchess As

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a kick ass soundtrack too. I gotta say, dudes. Yeah.

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If you're going for anything,

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those performers working their ass off and that dude soundtrack

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is a lot of fun.

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And what else? I watch Grafted today

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because that's a new movie that's on Shutter. Oh yeah. I gotta say

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it's from New Zealand. This is a film,

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a body horror film that is better than the substance and the substance is

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getting all the love. And this film is not getting as much love

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as I think it should because. And it was brand new and everything,

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but I, I thought his execution was incredible.

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And here's a cat grafted.

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It's a graph I feel about a

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girl who, Asian girl, moves in New Zealand and she,

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her father did weird like experiments with skin.

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So she kind of carries on and she like, she's picked on.

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So of course she becomes beautiful and then the body horse stuff

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kicks in and then, you know, it's like. Yeah, it gets

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pretty wild. And I don't recommend everything that's on Shutter,

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of course. But yeah, this, this is, this is worth your time. I think.

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I, I had a, I had a pretty good time with it.

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Cool.

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Besides that, you know, football and,

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and you know, whatever I can watch at work basically because

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I, I work overnights every night and I,

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I watch a lot of movies at work and I couldn't tell you what all

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those are, but yeah, I have, I have podcasting assignments

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to do. So if you like that in the Parade

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way stuff, me and John Cross, I know those are coming very soon, but on

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the diner this time. So if you guys have not subscribed to both,

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please subscribe to all of our programs and the After Movie Diner

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as well, you know.

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Yeah, that's about it for me today. Tonight we're

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here to talk about Chuck Norris as, as implemented in the

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first, uh, segment of the show in two

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films where we're. We already did Hero, Hero of the Tear,

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so. But these, these are two films in which Chuck

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fights somebody who's either on or has.

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Makes them like subhumanly strong or something.

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And those two films could take great genre actors,

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especially the first one, Force of1 from 1979

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and silent rage from 82, I believe it is.

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Yep. A few years later. Okay.

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And we'll get into a Force of one. Right.

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This trailer. And now,

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from Guerrilla Pictures and American Cinema releasing

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a special movie presentation.

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A Force of One.

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What happened? Forces Jennifer O'Neal into black belt action

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with Chuck Norris, Phil Wallace, Clue Gallagher,

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Ron O'Neill and one whole city's police force. One of them can

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stand 10ft away. And dust him off with a piece, Right? Unless the killer

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hit before they saw him. I mean, an expert in martial arts.

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Hand to hand combat. Somebody who kill with their bare hands.

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And not leave a mark.

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A force of one. It starts with a routine search.

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It ends with a trail of bodies.

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Smack. We got coke. We got uppers.

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We got donners. We got acid. We got pot. We got angel dust.

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We got it. I think some guy was falling. The junkies

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are having a field day and the cops are out in force.

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But in this business, you need eyes in the back of your head.

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The bruises is so deep that there was internal hemorrhage. In other words,

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they strangled in their own blood. Lieutenant, there's an epidemic going on.

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Whoever did this.

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Is as good as dead.

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The whole essence of what we do. Is a philosophy

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of discipline. A force of one. A blue

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steel force that beats out the bad guy's guns and

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knives.

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A force of one. He's got to make his next shot,

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his best shot. Because he doesn't get another chance.

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A force of one. He hears the silence.

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He sees the darkness. He's the only one

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who can stop the killing. Jennifer O'Neal. Chuck Norris

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in A Force of One.

460
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,420
A Force of One from 1979.

461
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:39,080
This is directed by Paul Aaron who time work

462
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:43,080
really didn't give us a whole lot of. His big claim to fame was

463
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,200
the TV movie Meow.

464
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,672
Yes, the miracle worker for from the 70s.

465
00:28:49,816 --> 00:28:51,980
Oh yeah. Okay. Yeah.

466
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,740
And he gave us a deadly force with the great wings Hauser.

467
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,544
Speaking of John Crier, Morgan Stewart's Coming Home. He's in that movie.

468
00:28:59,592 --> 00:29:03,616
He's that movie too. And that's about the highlights of this man's career and

469
00:29:03,688 --> 00:29:10,064
this, this genre picture right here starring

470
00:29:10,112 --> 00:29:14,020
Chuck Norris, of course, as Matt Logan.

471
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,696
Great Canadian import. I think she's Canadian,

472
00:29:17,728 --> 00:29:20,740
right? Leave another mistaken. Jennifer O'Neill. Is she Canadian?

473
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,864
I'm not 100. Sure. She's. She's in Cronenberg

474
00:29:24,912 --> 00:29:28,122
stuff, right? She is, yeah. She was

475
00:29:28,146 --> 00:29:31,402
in Scanners, right? Yeah, she was in

476
00:29:31,426 --> 00:29:35,034
a Fulci job too. Now since she's Brazilian

477
00:29:35,082 --> 00:29:37,990
American. Oh, okay, fair enough.

478
00:29:38,450 --> 00:29:41,850
Yeah, she plays in Scanners and

479
00:29:41,890 --> 00:29:45,786
some other good stuff. Yeah, Genrectors keep kicking.

480
00:29:45,898 --> 00:29:49,162
Clue Gulagar has done your police chief of this

481
00:29:49,186 --> 00:29:53,470
movie. Superfly himself Ron O'Neill as Rollins

482
00:29:54,910 --> 00:29:58,678
Bill the great Bill Superfoot Wallace

483
00:29:58,854 --> 00:30:02,134
as Sparks. These are crazy. Yeah, we'll get into him in a

484
00:30:02,142 --> 00:30:06,170
minute. A great tournament, great kickboxing tournament fighter.

485
00:30:07,630 --> 00:30:11,734
Eric Lenoville as Charlie LOGAN James

486
00:30:11,782 --> 00:30:16,070
Whitmore Jr. As Moscowitz Richie Melrose Pepe

487
00:30:16,150 --> 00:30:17,690
Serna as Orlando.

488
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:23,096
Well, we'll go into some of the cases. Somebody's so called Choo Choo

489
00:30:23,128 --> 00:30:27,560
Malai. And this movie is wild. Also the

490
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,340
great Charles Cypress for a hot second. The late Charles Cypress.

491
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,984
Yeah. So we love, we love some Charles Cypress on

492
00:30:36,992 --> 00:30:40,860
the show for sure. But your chief of plot synopsis

493
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:45,104
of this is with detectives of an undercover you police unit

494
00:30:45,192 --> 00:30:48,976
are mysteriously killed by a martial artist. A professional kickboxer

495
00:30:49,008 --> 00:30:52,340
is hired to do a system and train them, I guess.

496
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,616
Oh my gosh, we use the term training here

497
00:30:57,688 --> 00:31:01,232
lightly. Yeah, oh yeah, definitely. He kind

498
00:31:01,256 --> 00:31:04,352
of, he kind of sits there and watches them slowly do karate and

499
00:31:04,376 --> 00:31:07,712
it's like, okay, you guys are. Not very good at this.

500
00:31:07,736 --> 00:31:10,288
So I'm just gonna watch you guys try to, try to do it, you know?

501
00:31:10,344 --> 00:31:10,980
Yeah.

502
00:31:13,940 --> 00:31:17,244
Yeah, we'll get into this now. Camera. Your thoughts or your initial

503
00:31:17,292 --> 00:31:20,828
thoughts are. Well, thoughts on, like.

504
00:31:20,884 --> 00:31:24,012
I remember catching this one later in the 80s. It was not one that

505
00:31:24,036 --> 00:31:27,756
I caught like initially when it came out in 79 or

506
00:31:27,828 --> 00:31:30,956
even a few years after because I was like three, four years old.

507
00:31:31,108 --> 00:31:34,748
I, I'm more in tune with our second movie, Silent Rage that we're

508
00:31:34,764 --> 00:31:38,108
going to be talking about. But like, I always look at this as lower level

509
00:31:38,164 --> 00:31:41,468
Chuck. To be quite honest. I, I was really a big fan

510
00:31:41,484 --> 00:31:45,212
of like Force, Vengeance and Mission Missing in action and

511
00:31:45,236 --> 00:31:48,732
whatnot. So this is one that I hadn't watched in a long time and I

512
00:31:48,756 --> 00:31:52,300
didn't watch much over the years. I actually liked it a lot better this

513
00:31:52,340 --> 00:31:55,612
time around. I probably hadn't watched it in 15 years. I bet you

514
00:31:55,716 --> 00:31:59,420
at least you know, it's exploitation.

515
00:31:59,500 --> 00:32:03,116
It's 110 exploitation. It's got Ron

516
00:32:03,148 --> 00:32:07,572
O'Neill in it. I mean, Clue Goulager. I mean like. And how

517
00:32:07,596 --> 00:32:10,132
do, how do you not like this movie? How did I not like it in

518
00:32:10,156 --> 00:32:13,172
the beginning? I don't, I'll never know. But.

519
00:32:13,356 --> 00:32:17,320
Well, I know because it's, you know, got some lame moments,

520
00:32:19,580 --> 00:32:23,012
but like some of the twists and turns, you know, we're not so twisty and

521
00:32:23,036 --> 00:32:26,420
not so turny and like, I kind of guessed what was coming along when I

522
00:32:26,460 --> 00:32:30,180
first watched it, even as the young chap. But you know,

523
00:32:30,220 --> 00:32:33,860
generally it's Like, I know a lot of people consider it

524
00:32:33,900 --> 00:32:37,280
top tier Chuck. I can kind of consider it lower level,

525
00:32:37,820 --> 00:32:41,460
mid tier Chuck, if that makes sense. You know,

526
00:32:41,500 --> 00:32:44,868
but it's got a great cast, it's good exploitation.

527
00:32:44,964 --> 00:32:48,200
It's a fun bad. It's a fun bad movie.

528
00:32:48,940 --> 00:32:52,164
And you know, like I said, I, I didn't think much of it when I

529
00:32:52,172 --> 00:32:55,284
was, when it was younger. But you know, now that I'm an older adult,

530
00:32:55,332 --> 00:32:58,868
I kind of like it a bit. I gotta get this one on the,

531
00:32:59,004 --> 00:33:02,436
like a Blu Ray or something. Somebody had to put this out. I'm sure Vinegar

532
00:33:02,468 --> 00:33:05,902
Syndrome, Severin has got a special edition

533
00:33:05,966 --> 00:33:09,470
out there that's, you know, probably costs 125 or something like

534
00:33:09,510 --> 00:33:12,830
that. But yeah, I mean it's, it's a good.

535
00:33:12,870 --> 00:33:16,462
Who done it with not being too good on concealing

536
00:33:16,526 --> 00:33:19,690
who the. Who did it. But you know,

537
00:33:21,270 --> 00:33:24,654
it's, but it's the. My biggest problem with this movie,

538
00:33:24,702 --> 00:33:28,382
I have to say, is very light on the Chuck action.

539
00:33:28,486 --> 00:33:31,886
There's not a whole lot going on for him to do besides

540
00:33:31,918 --> 00:33:35,242
watching bad cops do worse karate.

541
00:33:35,306 --> 00:33:37,710
I mean, am I right? Yeah,

542
00:33:39,090 --> 00:33:42,490
yeah, that's, that's, that's my initial interpretations of this

543
00:33:42,530 --> 00:33:46,030
movie. Fine. But Lee.

544
00:33:47,970 --> 00:33:51,130
Man, I, I'd like to meet the people who think this is

545
00:33:51,170 --> 00:33:54,830
top tier Chuck, because it sure the ain't.

546
00:33:55,890 --> 00:33:59,580
This is like his third film, I think at this

547
00:33:59,620 --> 00:34:02,812
point. Like, like third. To have him as like the

548
00:34:02,836 --> 00:34:05,964
star basically. Right. Like he had done small roles and stuff.

549
00:34:06,092 --> 00:34:09,196
Lee had done Breaker Breaker and Good Guys Wear Black previous.

550
00:34:09,348 --> 00:34:12,620
Yeah, yeah. And like you said,

551
00:34:12,660 --> 00:34:16,444
Cam, he's barely in this movie. Like he, like there's a good

552
00:34:16,532 --> 00:34:19,980
portion of this movie that's just following our squad of cops,

553
00:34:20,060 --> 00:34:23,356
like paired off in different teams and, and the like,

554
00:34:23,428 --> 00:34:26,330
like trying to solve this crime.

555
00:34:27,550 --> 00:34:30,650
This feels like a TV movie.

556
00:34:31,630 --> 00:34:35,158
Exactly. I felt like this movie was very flat in its

557
00:34:35,214 --> 00:34:38,582
like, production. And it felt like, you know, we have

558
00:34:38,606 --> 00:34:42,534
all these good character actors. Like, like you said that,

559
00:34:42,702 --> 00:34:46,422
you know, immediately jumped out at me. I was like, oh, there's Superfly,

560
00:34:46,486 --> 00:34:50,356
there's Clue, Gallagher. Like lots of cool actors in this.

561
00:34:50,518 --> 00:34:54,540
It feels like, hey, here's the, here's the pilot movie

562
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,280
for our TV series that's going to be about Chuck Norris

563
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:02,440
being a karate instructor who helps this squad of

564
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:08,100
cops solve crimes every week. That's what it felt like to me because

565
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:12,392
there's just like, I don't know, the karate in this is very

566
00:35:12,416 --> 00:35:16,340
flat. Like it's not, it's. There's. It's the difference between

567
00:35:17,740 --> 00:35:21,028
authentic looking karate stuff, which you do get in this,

568
00:35:21,164 --> 00:35:24,372
but that end stuff that looks good on,

569
00:35:24,476 --> 00:35:27,120
on camera for like an action move.

570
00:35:27,500 --> 00:35:31,332
Yeah, big difference. Big difference there. Yeah, because the karate guy is

571
00:35:31,356 --> 00:35:34,244
like, he's taking these cops out and like murdering them,

572
00:35:34,332 --> 00:35:37,636
but he barely does anything to them that you can really see on screen.

573
00:35:37,668 --> 00:35:40,372
Like, he kind of chokes one or two of them, hits one or two of

574
00:35:40,396 --> 00:35:44,120
them in a special spot or whatever. But it's not like,

575
00:35:44,500 --> 00:35:47,644
it's not super brutal for the most, most of

576
00:35:47,652 --> 00:35:50,636
the killings in this. There's,

577
00:35:50,668 --> 00:35:54,252
there's like one or two exceptions where it's like, oh. But for

578
00:35:54,276 --> 00:35:58,236
the most part, it's like the karate doesn't look that great. Chuck Norris

579
00:35:58,268 --> 00:36:02,188
is his usual wooden self. So I, I don't, you know,

580
00:36:02,324 --> 00:36:05,036
either you can vibe with Chuck or you can't.

581
00:36:05,148 --> 00:36:08,758
It's one thing or another. Right? I didn't hate

582
00:36:08,774 --> 00:36:11,654
this though. Like, I, I don't think it's like a terrible movie or anything.

583
00:36:11,702 --> 00:36:15,670
I, I, it just feels like kind of every,

584
00:36:15,790 --> 00:36:19,574
like, TV movie that involves cops from this,

585
00:36:19,662 --> 00:36:23,062
this period kind of thing. And it's got a really good score. I'll give it

586
00:36:23,086 --> 00:36:26,918
that. Like, Dick Halligan, who did the Octagon as

587
00:36:26,974 --> 00:36:30,182
well, does the score for this. It's got like a really Funky,

588
00:36:30,246 --> 00:36:33,670
like kind of 70s cop score going on that I thought was really

589
00:36:33,710 --> 00:36:37,600
good. And there's, you know, we'll probably get into

590
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,512
it as we talk about and there's, there's other stuff that I, I thought was

591
00:36:40,536 --> 00:36:44,224
pretty good in this. But yeah, it's, it's, it's a little lower

592
00:36:44,272 --> 00:36:49,440
to your Chuck stuff. It's, it's a little bland in

593
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:53,344
a, typical of a, of a production with Chuck Norris.

594
00:36:53,392 --> 00:36:56,912
He's surrounded by really great actors who,

595
00:36:57,096 --> 00:37:00,708
you know, at least elevate it and keep it moving while Chuck just,

596
00:37:00,764 --> 00:37:04,080
you know, stands still and once in a while hit somebody and,

597
00:37:04,780 --> 00:37:07,892
and yeah, that's, that's kind of what's going on here. I, I wasn't wowed by

598
00:37:07,916 --> 00:37:10,440
it or anything. I didn't hate it. But yeah,

599
00:37:12,060 --> 00:37:16,020
it's a fair. Chuck told him, told the, the policeman played by Cleveland

600
00:37:16,100 --> 00:37:19,540
Clue, Google that. You know what? He's got this tournament. He's getting ready for us.

601
00:37:19,580 --> 00:37:22,932
He, he ain't got time for this. So. Yeah, he didn't have time

602
00:37:22,956 --> 00:37:26,260
for a training montage with these officers that, to show you on the film.

603
00:37:26,380 --> 00:37:29,588
It just, it was, wasn't gonna happen, you know?

604
00:37:29,644 --> 00:37:32,900
Yeah, yeah. And I felt like in this movie they must not have

605
00:37:32,940 --> 00:37:37,108
trusted his star status because, like, he didn't even have top billing.

606
00:37:37,284 --> 00:37:40,500
No, I mean, Jennifer O'Neill. I mean, literally had top

607
00:37:40,540 --> 00:37:43,396
billing. As well she should have. She was in more of the movie than Chuck.

608
00:37:43,508 --> 00:37:46,080
Yeah, she was the big star in this, like,

609
00:37:46,700 --> 00:37:49,520
at the time, you know,

610
00:37:50,700 --> 00:37:54,682
I mean, I, I love me some. I love me

611
00:37:54,706 --> 00:37:58,470
some Ron O'Neill, but he was,

612
00:37:58,850 --> 00:38:01,910
to be honest, he was never, like a big name,

613
00:38:02,210 --> 00:38:05,994
like, like even, you know, Jennifer O'Neill

614
00:38:06,042 --> 00:38:09,226
or Clue Gallagher were around, around this point.

615
00:38:09,298 --> 00:38:12,270
No, you know, he got super fly,

616
00:38:12,690 --> 00:38:15,434
but that's about it. Like, every, Everything he's,

617
00:38:15,482 --> 00:38:18,684
it's, it's the sad thing. It's just like, Richard Roundtree.

618
00:38:18,732 --> 00:38:22,156
Richard Roundtree was in a ton of. But rarely

619
00:38:22,188 --> 00:38:25,452
was he, like, the big star. Like he was in Shaft. Right,

620
00:38:25,636 --> 00:38:29,260
right, right. Full,

621
00:38:29,300 --> 00:38:33,160
full moon love here. Ron O'Neal was in Police

622
00:38:33,540 --> 00:38:37,040
Police Puppet Master 5 as detective.

623
00:38:39,460 --> 00:38:43,036
Oh, that's right. He was, wasn't he? I don't even know. I just,

624
00:38:43,108 --> 00:38:46,504
I saw, like. What else was he in? Oh,

625
00:38:46,552 --> 00:38:49,672
I got, I gotta look now because I'm curious. I mean, there's this, there's the

626
00:38:49,696 --> 00:38:53,752
sequel to Superfly, then there's the second sequel to Superfly,

627
00:38:53,816 --> 00:38:55,380
which is not good.

628
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,976
Yeah. Oh, this is wonderfully bad. He's in a film called Trained to

629
00:39:02,048 --> 00:39:05,620
kill from 1985.

630
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,216
No. Oh, Robert Zidar's in this movie we just talked about. Henry Silver,

631
00:39:10,248 --> 00:39:14,310
this movie. Chuck Connors. I may have to watch this movie because,

632
00:39:14,770 --> 00:39:15,670
you know,

633
00:39:18,050 --> 00:39:21,242
it's a cast. Yeah, yeah. This Bill, though, I, I,

634
00:39:21,266 --> 00:39:24,426
I, it wanted to be so much bigger than it was.

635
00:39:24,498 --> 00:39:28,510
It's basically about, you know, there's. There's a guy

636
00:39:29,010 --> 00:39:32,138
killing. Killing people, including undercover police

637
00:39:32,194 --> 00:39:35,706
officers with martial arts.

638
00:39:35,738 --> 00:39:38,962
He's literally chopping them in the neck and they fall over, which is a major

639
00:39:38,986 --> 00:39:43,026
problem for this film because you got Chuck Norris in this movie,

640
00:39:43,218 --> 00:39:46,722
you got Bill Superfoot Wallace, who at this

641
00:39:46,746 --> 00:39:50,738
point, were amazing tactical tournament fighters.

642
00:39:50,834 --> 00:39:54,706
You know, kickboxing, your champions, you know, but the,

643
00:39:54,778 --> 00:39:57,922
you're seeing on screen, especially, you know, their fight at the end

644
00:39:58,106 --> 00:40:01,906
is just looking sloppy as. It's looking sloppy as fuck,

645
00:40:02,098 --> 00:40:05,346
but. Because a small, small thing, in my opinion,

646
00:40:05,378 --> 00:40:09,346
but, yeah, sloppier than, you know. Charles Bronson's footwork

647
00:40:09,378 --> 00:40:12,130
and times. Right. Yeah.

648
00:40:13,750 --> 00:40:16,766
But you pick this guy out. You pick, you pick a super foot out.

649
00:40:16,838 --> 00:40:19,582
You know what Chuck did? He. I think he met him at a tournament or

650
00:40:19,606 --> 00:40:22,430
at a gym or something is how the relationship began.

651
00:40:22,590 --> 00:40:25,582
And you put him in your movie and he's not an actor.

652
00:40:25,726 --> 00:40:29,406
So he's just this wooden guy who, you know, much like the guy

653
00:40:29,438 --> 00:40:31,598
in our next movie, he's just kind of like. This guy doesn't say anything.

654
00:40:31,614 --> 00:40:35,690
He just kind, kind of stands there, who's supposed to be, you know,

655
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,912
this ace martial artist who. Who happens to be

656
00:40:39,936 --> 00:40:43,608
addicted to drugs, which I love the fact that they. They play

657
00:40:43,664 --> 00:40:46,824
out with Clue Gulagar there. Like, you're not going to realize that it's him at

658
00:40:46,832 --> 00:40:50,280
the end trying to chuck over by saying, hey, look at all these

659
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:54,100
drugs we have at the police station. We're gonna destroy these right away.

660
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,520
Yeah, we're going to dispose of

661
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:00,380
these. Yeah, wink, wink.

662
00:41:02,570 --> 00:41:05,474
But, yeah, I like the idea of, like, you know, because this is. This is

663
00:41:05,482 --> 00:41:08,882
the late 70s, since this is the time of, you know, one of the

664
00:41:08,906 --> 00:41:11,810
bigger drug booms, where this guy who's clearly on,

665
00:41:11,850 --> 00:41:15,630
like, crystal meth or whatever the hell he's on

666
00:41:16,570 --> 00:41:20,370
is having this insane strength because I've seen people on these

667
00:41:20,410 --> 00:41:23,762
drugs before. I've seen some guy get stabbed in a leg and just

668
00:41:23,786 --> 00:41:26,590
keep coming after somebody like you're Michael Myers or something.

669
00:41:26,900 --> 00:41:30,732
So the fact that he could literally feel no pain, you know, because he's

670
00:41:30,756 --> 00:41:34,188
on this drug being this. Just killing cops,

671
00:41:34,284 --> 00:41:37,852
I like that. The idea of this, not the killing cops, partly, but the fact

672
00:41:37,876 --> 00:41:41,372
that he. He becomes a deadly weapon when he's high on drugs.

673
00:41:41,516 --> 00:41:45,004
And yeah, he can. He can choke someone to death in like three seconds.

674
00:41:45,052 --> 00:41:48,156
It's like, amazing. Yes, indeed. Right?

675
00:41:48,308 --> 00:41:51,452
I guess if he knows the right pressure points. Because, you know,

676
00:41:51,636 --> 00:41:55,004
as I learned from three ninjas, there are pressure points on the body where you

677
00:41:55,012 --> 00:41:58,428
can just take Professor. Professor Turu Tanaka

678
00:41:58,444 --> 00:42:01,480
down, no problem if you're 10 years old.

679
00:42:02,980 --> 00:42:06,636
Let's light this fat boy up. You know, one day I'm gonna do those movies

680
00:42:06,668 --> 00:42:10,572
with somebody. Because that third one, again, it contains

681
00:42:10,636 --> 00:42:14,348
many genre actors that you love and, you know, for no reason

682
00:42:14,404 --> 00:42:18,204
at all. Like Charles Napiers in that movie and Don Stark

683
00:42:18,252 --> 00:42:21,320
and, you know, random people in that movie. You know.

684
00:42:22,830 --> 00:42:26,662
Back to this, though. Yeah. Like you guys said, Chuck's barely in it,

685
00:42:26,686 --> 00:42:30,022
though. And, you know, much like his character, I guess he didn't have time

686
00:42:30,046 --> 00:42:34,022
for it because he didn't want to trade these officers. And I love

687
00:42:34,046 --> 00:42:37,542
the German title, dear. Bulldozer is

688
00:42:37,646 --> 00:42:40,690
the title in Germany. I saw that.

689
00:42:43,390 --> 00:42:46,918
Apparently the Bulldozer did not have time to act

690
00:42:46,974 --> 00:42:50,504
in this movie, which I wouldn't call what he's doing now acting. But if

691
00:42:50,512 --> 00:42:53,704
you watch like Breaker Breaker, which is one of

692
00:42:53,712 --> 00:42:56,700
his, you know, Debut starring roles.

693
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,760
He's got much more to do in that movie and does it well

694
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,740
than he does in this movie. Yeah, it's just.

695
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,664
It just he looks like. Like in this movie he looks like Howard

696
00:43:08,712 --> 00:43:12,456
Hessman. Like, he's just. He's. He's much more shaggy Chuck

697
00:43:12,488 --> 00:43:15,112
Norris. He's got the. He's got the longer hair and,

698
00:43:15,216 --> 00:43:18,140
and he just. He looks like a dork.

699
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,216
He looks like a slightly more buff Dr. Johnny fever.

700
00:43:22,328 --> 00:43:25,784
Yeah. His mom put the bowl on

701
00:43:25,792 --> 00:43:29,064
his head and cut his hair for him. He's looking real, you know. Yeah,

702
00:43:29,112 --> 00:43:32,632
yeah. Now you look like a real boy. Yeah. And, you know,

703
00:43:32,656 --> 00:43:36,216
to try to humanize him, they've got this whole subplot where he's got

704
00:43:36,288 --> 00:43:40,328
an adopted son and who. Who was

705
00:43:40,384 --> 00:43:44,048
like, addicted to drugs or some at some point and.

706
00:43:44,224 --> 00:43:47,500
Or his mother was a junkie. I can't remember which one it was. But.

707
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:51,632
But he took him in and he's training him and eventually you

708
00:43:51,656 --> 00:43:54,832
do have like the, the moment. Like the moment where this

709
00:43:54,856 --> 00:43:58,240
movie just decides to actually go hardcore for like two

710
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,040
seconds. And Bill Wallace, like,

711
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,896
murders. Straight up murders, Chuck Norris's

712
00:44:04,928 --> 00:44:07,180
adopted son or whatever. Right.

713
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:11,678
Which is. Do they say

714
00:44:11,734 --> 00:44:14,750
he's adopted? I don't remember if he said he was adopted or not, which is,

715
00:44:14,790 --> 00:44:18,942
you know. Yeah, well, I mean, he took into custody

716
00:44:19,086 --> 00:44:22,158
under custody of Chuck Norris or whatever. Yeah. Anyway. Right.

717
00:44:22,294 --> 00:44:26,238
But. But yeah, like, it takes something

718
00:44:26,294 --> 00:44:29,646
like that to get even the slightest emotion of the Chuck

719
00:44:29,678 --> 00:44:32,690
Norris in this movie, which is amazing.

720
00:44:33,590 --> 00:44:36,654
You know, it's either that or just the fact that

721
00:44:36,742 --> 00:44:40,222
these hard drugs are in our streets. So that, you know, that maybe

722
00:44:40,286 --> 00:44:43,822
raises the. The cankles of

723
00:44:43,846 --> 00:44:47,198
Chuck Norris a teeny bit. But it takes.

724
00:44:47,374 --> 00:44:52,446
Yeah, but, but, you know, it. It flat out takes

725
00:44:52,478 --> 00:44:56,558
having his. His de facto son murdered

726
00:44:56,574 --> 00:44:59,966
by the main bad guy for him to give a. To want to like,

727
00:45:00,038 --> 00:45:03,650
go after him and stuff. So, yeah, it's.

728
00:45:04,310 --> 00:45:08,256
It's. It's a little. It takes its. It's really pushing

729
00:45:08,288 --> 00:45:11,520
it. Right. The clues, like.

730
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,608
Well, I guess he was pumped full of drugs and I guess she's dead now.

731
00:45:14,664 --> 00:45:18,400
You know, it was there.

732
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,696
Was there any. I forget, like last week I watched this movie.

733
00:45:21,808 --> 00:45:25,184
Was there an implication that he was addicted to drugs before. Before Chuck

734
00:45:25,232 --> 00:45:29,040
got to him? Yeah, I think there was something about how he had been

735
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:33,024
taking drugs or something and he. And he cleaned them up with martial arts,

736
00:45:33,072 --> 00:45:36,262
basically. It was like martial arts is what is keeping them on the right track

737
00:45:36,286 --> 00:45:39,670
and keeping them clean and all that. And so. Yeah, because he even said Something

738
00:45:39,710 --> 00:45:42,758
to the effect he's been clean for years. Yeah,

739
00:45:42,934 --> 00:45:46,470
yeah, yeah, yeah. So, like, you know, it's. It's. It's.

740
00:45:46,550 --> 00:45:49,926
I can see. I can kind of see why Chuck took the role,

741
00:45:49,998 --> 00:45:53,270
even though he doesn't really do much in the film, because it's trying to,

742
00:45:53,310 --> 00:45:56,214
like. It's trying to capitalize on,

743
00:45:56,302 --> 00:46:00,086
like, oh, karate and martial arts is, like, kind of big in pop culture

744
00:46:00,198 --> 00:46:03,112
around this time. It's. It's trying to,

745
00:46:03,136 --> 00:46:06,232
like, put a positive spin on it, on how it can be, like,

746
00:46:06,256 --> 00:46:10,024
really good for you. And. And I can always. I can, you know, definitely believe

747
00:46:10,192 --> 00:46:13,384
Chuck was big into promoting that message,

748
00:46:13,512 --> 00:46:16,904
which this movie tries to do. But, you know, it also has the message

749
00:46:16,952 --> 00:46:20,820
that, hey, some karate people take lots of drugs and murder people.

750
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,760
Right? Yeah, it definitely falls in that gray area.

751
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,820
It's like, yeah, you know, it's not white or black. It's.

752
00:46:28,240 --> 00:46:31,660
There's definitely some gray areas there. Yeah,

753
00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:36,952
it needed extended PSA at the end of it. Like. Like Steven

754
00:46:37,016 --> 00:46:40,392
Seagal. Have a fire down below now, you know, big oil company

755
00:46:40,496 --> 00:46:44,180
is bad. You know that, right? You know? Yeah, it does.

756
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,280
Drugs are bad. It'll make kids want to kill people and kill

757
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:52,072
each other and, you know, you shouldn't do drugs. Okay. And by

758
00:46:52,096 --> 00:46:55,892
the way, support border. Border control, you know. Do you know I'm an honorary

759
00:46:55,956 --> 00:46:59,332
Cajun, also a

760
00:46:59,356 --> 00:47:02,836
cop. He's an honorary Cajun. Jean Claude Van

761
00:47:02,868 --> 00:47:06,480
Damme's an honorary occasion, you know,

762
00:47:07,340 --> 00:47:09,960
and he needs to be said. Yeah, yeah,

763
00:47:11,020 --> 00:47:14,260
yeah. I wouldn't argue with Wolford Brimley on that one.

764
00:47:14,380 --> 00:47:16,520
Yeah. Oh, no, no. He went full bore.

765
00:47:17,980 --> 00:47:21,796
If you ever see the film. A question, Hard target. This is a John Woo

766
00:47:21,828 --> 00:47:25,040
directed film, but you can get both versions on Blur, which is great.

767
00:47:25,340 --> 00:47:28,720
The John Woo cut and the Jean Claude Van Damme cut.

768
00:47:29,580 --> 00:47:33,236
Wiffer really plays Uncle Duvet in the movie, which is Jacques

769
00:47:33,268 --> 00:47:36,452
Club, Van Damme's Cajun uncle who rides a horse with a bow and

770
00:47:36,476 --> 00:47:39,956
arrow. And, you know, you believe that he's Cajun.

771
00:47:39,988 --> 00:47:43,000
Okay. No. Do not spill the moonshine. They kill the grass.

772
00:47:44,860 --> 00:47:47,080
I got me a spot of diabetes.

773
00:47:49,450 --> 00:47:52,190
I still won't eat those Quaker oats, though. Man,

774
00:47:52,570 --> 00:47:53,310
that.

775
00:47:56,650 --> 00:48:00,498
Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Force someone. You're fine.

776
00:48:00,594 --> 00:48:04,482
Yeah. Like I said, the guy's in his top tier truck, though. I think they

777
00:48:04,666 --> 00:48:07,586
might have slept on it a little bit and said, hey, you know,

778
00:48:07,738 --> 00:48:11,122
I. I think that, you know, I'm glad this is Chuck that I saw,

779
00:48:11,226 --> 00:48:14,748
you know, that I didn't see before, because I did. I didn't

780
00:48:14,764 --> 00:48:17,948
know that. I seen the poster many, many times, you know,

781
00:48:18,084 --> 00:48:20,560
a semi new Chuck sitting in a triangle,

782
00:48:22,500 --> 00:48:25,836
you know. But yeah, the shit's real sloppy and

783
00:48:25,908 --> 00:48:28,508
the red herrings are really red in this movie.

784
00:48:28,684 --> 00:48:31,708
And I, I know that,

785
00:48:31,844 --> 00:48:35,228
you know, Bill Superfoot Wallace is not an actor,

786
00:48:35,404 --> 00:48:39,676
but at least you know, when you choreograph this, Aaron Norris

787
00:48:39,708 --> 00:48:43,332
and Chuck Norris make it look good,

788
00:48:43,436 --> 00:48:47,396
you know. Yeah, it just looked bad. You know,

789
00:48:47,548 --> 00:48:51,268
Bill Wallace is kind of good though, in this as the bad guy. Like he's

790
00:48:51,284 --> 00:48:54,292
a real slime ball, like when he comes to that party or whatever and he

791
00:48:54,316 --> 00:48:58,484
starts hitting on. On Chuck's date or whatever. And yeah,

792
00:48:58,612 --> 00:49:02,532
he's pretty good at that. He's good at playing like a. A jock,

793
00:49:02,676 --> 00:49:05,920
which is probably what he is in real life. So. You know,

794
00:49:06,710 --> 00:49:09,422
the funny thing is I always used to get this movie mixed up with the

795
00:49:09,446 --> 00:49:13,290
Octagon, to be honest with you. Same. Well, I mean, a lot of the same

796
00:49:13,590 --> 00:49:17,070
people worked on the Octagon, worked on this as well. I guess it was

797
00:49:17,110 --> 00:49:19,370
kind of like a one, two punch kind of thing.

798
00:49:20,310 --> 00:49:23,390
So like, like I said, the same guy who did the score for this,

799
00:49:23,430 --> 00:49:26,782
did the score for the Octagon. I think there's like some writers involved that are

800
00:49:26,806 --> 00:49:29,090
the same and like that. So it's.

801
00:49:30,230 --> 00:49:33,584
But yeah, I can see how you get it mixed too because that, that poster,

802
00:49:33,702 --> 00:49:36,892
that poster is super cool. And it's like I could. Even though he's in a

803
00:49:36,916 --> 00:49:40,796
triangle or whatever, you could still believe. Yeah. This is a movie called the Octagon.

804
00:49:40,988 --> 00:49:44,268
Yeah, right. Yeah. You know, because they don't know. What if they don't

805
00:49:44,284 --> 00:49:47,548
know much about, you know, choreographing fights? Where are they going to know about shapes

806
00:49:47,564 --> 00:49:50,092
and sizes and triangles and. Exactly.

807
00:49:50,236 --> 00:49:53,788
Yeah. Chuck Norris wasn't paying attention in math class.

808
00:49:53,844 --> 00:49:56,840
He wasn't looking at octagons and triangles and.

809
00:49:58,900 --> 00:50:02,300
Hey, Chuck knows John. I don't want to hear their about it. Okay? Come on.

810
00:50:02,340 --> 00:50:05,910
Oh, okay. No, see this,

811
00:50:05,950 --> 00:50:09,670
this is what love my mind about this thing because they really were

812
00:50:09,710 --> 00:50:12,854
trying for something because this guy, Ernest Tyreman,

813
00:50:12,902 --> 00:50:16,810
who, who I guess wrote the screenplay, wrote the French Connection,

814
00:50:17,390 --> 00:50:21,530
High Plains Drifter, the Shaft

815
00:50:22,350 --> 00:50:26,246
later sequels, which I enjoyed those later Shaft

816
00:50:26,278 --> 00:50:29,366
sequels of the Samuel Jackson ones.

817
00:50:29,558 --> 00:50:31,610
Oh, right, right, right. Yeah.

818
00:50:32,830 --> 00:50:36,374
Because they're all connected if you guys didn't know any. But the Shaft universe.

819
00:50:36,422 --> 00:50:40,198
Yeah, yeah. Did he also write

820
00:50:40,214 --> 00:50:42,930
on the tv, TV series.

821
00:50:45,310 --> 00:50:49,190
There was a Shaft TV series and. It was terrible scrolling here.

822
00:50:49,230 --> 00:50:54,332
Yeah, this is a stroller Shaft

823
00:50:54,526 --> 00:50:58,128
wrote the novel and a Screenplay, apparently. Yeah.

824
00:50:58,304 --> 00:51:01,920
So I think. I think it's like a, you know, character created by credit

825
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:05,808
and everything. There were seven episodes of the Shaft TV series.

826
00:51:05,944 --> 00:51:09,520
It's bad. It's really bad. I did not know until today

827
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,608
that there was a Shaft TV series. You don't need to watch it.

828
00:51:12,664 --> 00:51:17,184
Please don't do it. Stark also CL in

829
00:51:17,192 --> 00:51:19,420
one episode, so there's that, you know,

830
00:51:21,860 --> 00:51:25,292
he reprised. Yeah, here you go. Robert Culp in

831
00:51:25,316 --> 00:51:29,260
one episode. A lot of one episode, guys in here. It's like it's Shaft.

832
00:51:29,340 --> 00:51:32,444
And whoever shows up on here, Richard J. Cole.

833
00:51:32,572 --> 00:51:37,724
So this is filled with gray genre actors. It's just Michael

834
00:51:37,772 --> 00:51:40,680
Ansara. That's the guy from Slap Shot, right? Isn't it?

835
00:51:43,940 --> 00:51:47,274
I am wrong about that. He's in the Manitou, apparently.

836
00:51:47,412 --> 00:51:50,782
Oh, yeah, yeah. It's John Singing Rock.

837
00:51:50,846 --> 00:51:52,250
Yeah. Okay. I'm good.

838
00:51:54,550 --> 00:51:57,250
Manitou's wild.

839
00:51:58,310 --> 00:52:02,450
Coming soon. This should be podcast, by the way. The Manitou.

840
00:52:05,110 --> 00:52:08,718
Yeah, it's. It's. It wants to be so good.

841
00:52:08,854 --> 00:52:12,766
It is trying so hard to be good. And that's what's frustrating

842
00:52:12,798 --> 00:52:14,890
about a force of One to me. You know,

843
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:20,584
you need a little more meat on them Chuck Bones. And, you know,

844
00:52:20,752 --> 00:52:24,424
I think you put that. You put some. That soup bone in

845
00:52:24,512 --> 00:52:28,024
the water a little too long, you know, try to make a fine

846
00:52:28,072 --> 00:52:30,500
broth with that soup bone. And it's just.

847
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:31,660
Yeah.

848
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:39,336
A fine Chuck broth, if you will. You know, you feed

849
00:52:39,368 --> 00:52:42,952
it to your senior dog and he. He. His bones feel better. Okay.

850
00:52:43,016 --> 00:52:46,080
You know, because of the Merrell and such.

851
00:52:47,420 --> 00:52:50,548
Oh, my gosh. Any final thoughts out of Force of One,

852
00:52:50,684 --> 00:52:54,600
Cameron? Watch Silent Rage instead.

853
00:52:57,740 --> 00:53:00,916
It's. It's an all right movie. It's not the worst

854
00:53:00,948 --> 00:53:04,356
Chuck's ever done. It's definitely not the best Chuck's ever done.

855
00:53:04,508 --> 00:53:08,180
It's just. It's just kind of mid, as the kids would say.

856
00:53:08,220 --> 00:53:10,560
Do the kids still say that? I don't know. I don't give a.

857
00:53:12,380 --> 00:53:15,912
They still do. Yeah. But, yeah, it's just kind of

858
00:53:15,936 --> 00:53:19,320
mid, man. It's just. It was kind of underwhelming. I like it.

859
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,944
Like I said, I like it a lot more now than I did when I

860
00:53:21,952 --> 00:53:24,760
was younger. When I was younger, I didn't give a. About this.

861
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:28,616
I was all about invasion USA and lone wolf, McQuaid and silent

862
00:53:28,648 --> 00:53:32,584
rage and bigger and better movies. But yeah,

863
00:53:32,632 --> 00:53:35,848
I mean, like, should you buy it? Probably not.

864
00:53:35,984 --> 00:53:39,208
You know, should you stream it somewhere? If you can stream it on any service

865
00:53:39,264 --> 00:53:43,022
that you already are paying for? Definitely don't pay for it,

866
00:53:43,126 --> 00:53:46,890
I would. That's my final thoughts. Fair enough. Fair enough,

867
00:53:47,270 --> 00:53:50,398
Lee. Pretty sure I watch this on YouTube.

868
00:53:50,494 --> 00:53:53,662
If you find it on YouTube and you're not busy and

869
00:53:53,686 --> 00:53:56,878
you want to kill an hour and a half or whatever, go to it.

870
00:53:56,934 --> 00:54:00,942
It. It's not gonna hurt you none. It's very

871
00:54:01,126 --> 00:54:04,702
kind of listless and bland in most of the running

872
00:54:04,766 --> 00:54:08,534
time. There's a couple bright spots. You know, the. Some of

873
00:54:08,542 --> 00:54:12,326
the fighting stuff is okay, even though, as we mentioned, it doesn't quite

874
00:54:12,358 --> 00:54:16,022
work and there's not. I can't believe I'm saying this, but there's not enough Chuck

875
00:54:16,086 --> 00:54:19,622
in. In this. In this film. Like, I wanted more Chuck, even though he's not

876
00:54:19,646 --> 00:54:22,342
really doing anything. So, you know,

877
00:54:22,446 --> 00:54:25,606
it just. Just go into it with, you know,

878
00:54:25,678 --> 00:54:29,702
lowered expectations. Like, it's. It's kind of a TV movie that has a

879
00:54:29,726 --> 00:54:32,982
couple of more cinematic,

880
00:54:33,046 --> 00:54:36,882
like hardcore stuff in it, but not a lot. And it's.

881
00:54:37,026 --> 00:54:41,026
Yeah, it's. It's just kind of. It's. It's there. It's. It's really like lower

882
00:54:41,058 --> 00:54:44,226
middle of the pack. Chuck Norris stuff. Like, I've seen a lot worse from Chuck

883
00:54:44,258 --> 00:54:46,978
Norris, let's put it that way. But yeah, definitely.

884
00:54:47,074 --> 00:54:50,390
Yeah. Yeah, this is fine.

885
00:54:50,810 --> 00:54:54,466
Again, like I said, not. Not top tier. And by the way, the special edition

886
00:54:54,498 --> 00:54:57,682
of this is put up by Keener Lorber Classic. So it's

887
00:54:57,706 --> 00:55:01,036
a recent one and it's currently sitting at 21

888
00:55:01,108 --> 00:55:03,720
something on Amazon right now.

889
00:55:05,060 --> 00:55:08,124
Brand new 2K Master, which is a very dark film. So that would

890
00:55:08,132 --> 00:55:09,520
really be to its detriment.

891
00:55:11,060 --> 00:55:14,556
New audio commentary. Film historians Brandon. Brandon Bentley

892
00:55:14,588 --> 00:55:18,636
and Mike Leader. Audio commentary with director Paul Aaron

893
00:55:18,828 --> 00:55:21,804
making up 15 minutes, 26 seconds. TV spots,

894
00:55:21,852 --> 00:55:25,398
radio spots, all that stuff. Again,

895
00:55:25,454 --> 00:55:28,998
if you get it again, Kino always has a sale. So if you get

896
00:55:29,054 --> 00:55:32,374
that half price, Kino say hit that sweet spot and you get it

897
00:55:32,382 --> 00:55:36,054
for like 10 bucks. I say get it, you know, if you're a Chuck completist,

898
00:55:36,102 --> 00:55:39,606
but, you know, if not, you know, streaming on YouTube like Lee

899
00:55:39,638 --> 00:55:43,286
said, and make your own choice. And I mean, I think I streamed it.

900
00:55:43,358 --> 00:55:46,090
It was on Pluto tv. Yep, yep.

901
00:55:47,230 --> 00:55:50,550
Which, you know, again, another free service, so don't spend money on free

902
00:55:50,590 --> 00:55:54,412
service. I've been living on that, that Twilight Zone channel they

903
00:55:54,516 --> 00:55:58,332
recently added. I. I wish it had all

904
00:55:58,356 --> 00:56:01,580
the zones on there. I would love to see some 80s twilight zones on there.

905
00:56:01,620 --> 00:56:05,360
Yeah, yeah, those are hard to find on dvd,

906
00:56:06,180 --> 00:56:09,772
but yeah, force was fine. It tried.

907
00:56:09,836 --> 00:56:13,196
It tries to say something about the drug, the drug trade

908
00:56:13,268 --> 00:56:16,412
in the 70s, but you

909
00:56:16,436 --> 00:56:18,120
really don't get a whole lot here.

910
00:56:19,730 --> 00:56:24,586
One scene I forgot to mention is again

911
00:56:24,658 --> 00:56:28,570
scenes. The love of this movie is the scene where Chuck

912
00:56:28,650 --> 00:56:32,350
learns all of a sudden about, about team prostitution the hard way. Oh yeah,

913
00:56:32,770 --> 00:56:36,490
right. It just beats the out of the pimp. That's a good

914
00:56:36,530 --> 00:56:40,058
scene. Yeah, it's like Chuck Norris walked into an after

915
00:56:40,114 --> 00:56:42,870
School special is what this movie is,

916
00:56:43,330 --> 00:56:46,950
huh? Yeah, it is, it is. It's like Schoolhouse Rocks, man.

917
00:56:48,650 --> 00:56:51,362
This is what we're doing this for. Do you see the track marks that are

918
00:56:51,386 --> 00:56:54,530
arm. Yeah, I learned it from watching you mom,

919
00:56:54,650 --> 00:56:56,510
you know, but not really though. But.

920
00:56:58,250 --> 00:57:01,746
Expect to see like Linda Blair pop up as a teenage alcoholic

921
00:57:01,778 --> 00:57:04,830
or something, you know. Oh, that's, that's another movie, you know.

922
00:57:06,170 --> 00:57:09,618
Isn't that a film where she's a teenage alcoholic or something?

923
00:57:09,674 --> 00:57:12,390
I forget. But yes,

924
00:57:13,300 --> 00:57:16,940
but yeah, this is fine. I, I again for, for, for,

925
00:57:16,980 --> 00:57:19,900
for, for one time watch for a multiple time watch.

926
00:57:19,940 --> 00:57:23,452
If you like it, check it out. That there are

927
00:57:23,476 --> 00:57:27,436
worse. Check those things out there. Most of that came post

928
00:57:27,508 --> 00:57:31,692
90s, like in the 90s and that that stuff came. But I

929
00:57:31,716 --> 00:57:35,292
would declare that this is better than that with the exception of

930
00:57:35,316 --> 00:57:39,270
Top Dog because who wouldn't want Chuck Norris and

931
00:57:39,310 --> 00:57:43,078
Samo Hung in a karate dog? I don't know. I don't

932
00:57:43,094 --> 00:57:44,610
know who you are if you don't like that.

933
00:57:46,270 --> 00:57:50,438
It's just. Yeah, Top Dog coming

934
00:57:50,494 --> 00:57:54,022
soon, dog. Or I totally forgot about Sammo Hung being in

935
00:57:54,046 --> 00:57:57,654
that movie. Yes, I've seen Top Dog.

936
00:57:57,702 --> 00:58:01,222
Yeah. We're animal lovers here. And you know, as a kid, you know,

937
00:58:01,246 --> 00:58:04,886
that was the checkdoors. You watch, you watch Top Dog, you watch Walker,

938
00:58:04,918 --> 00:58:08,450
Texas Ranger. You watch sidekicks way too many times and you know,

939
00:58:08,830 --> 00:58:11,942
and when the parents. Weren'T home, you put on fire Walker.

940
00:58:12,086 --> 00:58:14,650
Yeah, yeah, there you go. Yeah.

941
00:58:15,470 --> 00:58:19,210
Sonny Landham doing his thing. Yeah.

942
00:58:19,870 --> 00:58:23,302
Native American. Well, he's more believable as Native American than anybody else really, you know.

943
00:58:23,326 --> 00:58:25,730
Yeah, right.

944
00:58:26,270 --> 00:58:30,250
Oh my God. Oh, Billy bear. Yes indeed.

945
00:58:30,890 --> 00:58:33,938
This has been a review of Force of One.

946
00:58:34,074 --> 00:58:37,922
We'll be right back after this trailer with our review of better movie

947
00:58:38,066 --> 00:58:40,590
Silent Rage right after this.

948
00:58:47,850 --> 00:58:51,282
Columbia Pictures presents Chuck

949
00:58:51,346 --> 00:58:54,738
Norris. Hot damn. Wider.

950
00:58:54,914 --> 00:58:57,612
Call the police. Not me, boss.

951
00:58:57,756 --> 00:59:00,880
Nobody call the police. You must be a maraud.

952
00:59:04,420 --> 00:59:07,000
The master fighter of our time.

953
00:59:14,900 --> 00:59:18,604
But not even he could imagine the power

954
00:59:18,772 --> 00:59:22,310
of the indestructible man. He is about to

955
00:59:22,350 --> 00:59:26,790
face a

956
00:59:26,830 --> 00:59:30,610
creation of science whose only thought

957
00:59:32,030 --> 00:59:41,238
is to survive the

958
00:59:41,294 --> 00:59:45,830
unstoppable terror of

959
00:59:45,870 --> 00:59:49,784
silent rage. Now Chuck

960
00:59:49,832 --> 00:59:52,100
Norris must destroy him.

961
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:03,800
In. A final battle to the death and

962
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:04,540
beyond.

963
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:08,620
Silent Rage.

964
01:00:13,250 --> 01:00:17,018
Silent Rage from 1982. Starring again,

965
01:00:17,074 --> 01:00:20,538
Chuck Norris as Dan. As Dan Stevens. I guess he's

966
01:00:20,554 --> 01:00:26,346
some kind of ranger in this movie. We'll get into that again.

967
01:00:26,418 --> 01:00:29,946
A great character act, a great genre actor. Ron Silver

968
01:00:29,978 --> 01:00:33,242
in this movie as Dr. Tom Holman. Another great

969
01:00:33,266 --> 01:00:36,830
character actor, William Finley, is Dr. Paul Vaughn.

970
01:00:37,890 --> 01:00:42,030
We got Stephen Keats, our sleazy doctor, Dr. Phil Spires,

971
01:00:43,350 --> 01:00:46,450
Chuck's crush, Chuck Sex Montage.

972
01:00:46,790 --> 01:00:49,410
Tony Column as Allison Holman.

973
01:00:50,870 --> 01:00:54,462
Brian Libby as our unstoppable force, the Silent Rage

974
01:00:54,526 --> 01:00:58,094
himself. John Kirby, the great Stephen

975
01:00:58,142 --> 01:01:02,334
first, who I first saw and PM Entertainment's

976
01:01:02,382 --> 01:01:06,414
Magic Kid with 10, Ted Chin, whatever the Roberts's

977
01:01:06,462 --> 01:01:09,250
name. Yeah, he.

978
01:01:09,710 --> 01:01:12,966
He's an animal house. He's in a bunch of stuff. Bunch of genre stuff

979
01:01:12,998 --> 01:01:17,170
that you know and love. Lots of Star Trek too. Lots of Star Trek too.

980
01:01:19,550 --> 01:01:23,330
Yeah. So he worked a lot of genre stuff over the years.

981
01:01:27,150 --> 01:01:30,502
Stephanie Dunham as Nancy Hallman. Yeah, we'll get into some

982
01:01:30,526 --> 01:01:33,708
more other stuff in a minute here. But this,

983
01:01:33,894 --> 01:01:37,536
it's a better movie than the last movie. Your cheap applause

984
01:01:37,568 --> 01:01:41,552
synopsis is this. A sheriff tries to stop the killing spree

985
01:01:41,696 --> 01:01:45,072
of a silent maniacal murderer who as a result of a

986
01:01:45,256 --> 01:01:49,696
secret genetic experimentation by an unethical

987
01:01:49,728 --> 01:01:53,552
scientist. A lot of big words there. Has the ability to re. Re heal.

988
01:01:53,696 --> 01:01:57,152
See, this guy's got Wolverine powers. And you know what? This is a mix of

989
01:01:57,176 --> 01:02:00,736
unstoppable force and the fact he's probably like 7 foot tall compared

990
01:02:00,768 --> 01:02:04,520
to Chuck. Yeah, but with

991
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:08,460
lead this time. Lee. Sally Rage. Lay us out. Lay it on us, brother.

992
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:12,580
Way better than our previous movie as we already alluded to.

993
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:16,488
Amen. And this is, and this is, you know,

994
01:02:16,624 --> 01:02:20,072
it's surprisingly not a canon film. This is

995
01:02:20,096 --> 01:02:22,820
still pre canon Chuck Norris that's going here.

996
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:27,192
And it's a sci fi slasher mashup where

997
01:02:27,216 --> 01:02:30,744
it's like our, our Michael Myers style

998
01:02:30,792 --> 01:02:34,712
killer is a. Is a up medical experiment

999
01:02:34,776 --> 01:02:37,848
that's trying to like, you know, heal people.

1000
01:02:37,904 --> 01:02:41,912
But it goes wrong and turns this guy crazy and he's now this like

1001
01:02:42,016 --> 01:02:46,168
kind of emotionalist monstrous killer who just

1002
01:02:46,224 --> 01:02:49,784
starts hunting people down. So,

1003
01:02:49,792 --> 01:02:53,512
you know, one of two movies I can think

1004
01:02:53,536 --> 01:02:57,332
of that where Chuck is like directly up against like

1005
01:02:57,356 --> 01:03:00,596
a slasher killer, like hero in the Terror,

1006
01:03:00,628 --> 01:03:04,020
which I think does the concept a little bit better than this does.

1007
01:03:04,060 --> 01:03:07,476
But this time around,

1008
01:03:07,548 --> 01:03:11,332
watching it, I enjoyed this a lot more. Maybe part

1009
01:03:11,356 --> 01:03:15,876
of it does have to do with like I watched Force

1010
01:03:15,908 --> 01:03:20,164
of One right before that and that was like really Bad

1011
01:03:20,252 --> 01:03:23,312
compared to this. But, but,

1012
01:03:23,336 --> 01:03:26,020
you know, this, this, this flows a lot faster.

1013
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:30,192
I, I might be butting heads with you guys on

1014
01:03:30,216 --> 01:03:33,632
this, but I did not dig Stephen first in this movie. I could have done

1015
01:03:33,656 --> 01:03:36,980
without him. He's my least favorite thing in this entire movie.

1016
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:39,740
And, and you know,

1017
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:44,992
the. He shares at one point in

1018
01:03:45,016 --> 01:03:47,862
a, in a character moment that he killed a dog. And I was like,

1019
01:03:47,886 --> 01:03:51,478
well, you're, you're really stacking the, the deck against

1020
01:03:51,534 --> 01:03:54,630
you in this movie, Stephen. I'm really

1021
01:03:54,670 --> 01:03:58,486
not enjoying this. But this has better Chuck stuff.

1022
01:03:58,518 --> 01:04:01,590
Like, it's just more Chuck doing Chuck stuff. Like he's got a great bar fight

1023
01:04:01,630 --> 01:04:04,410
in this where he beats the. Out of a bunch of bikers.

1024
01:04:05,150 --> 01:04:08,822
You got Ron Silver doing his thing. You kind of

1025
01:04:08,846 --> 01:04:11,334
feel like he's going to be the villain, but he's just kind of like villain

1026
01:04:11,382 --> 01:04:13,930
adjacent. He's. He's kind of like, just caught in the middle.

1027
01:04:15,070 --> 01:04:16,690
Chuck gets to like,

1028
01:04:17,310 --> 01:04:20,822
romance Ron Silver's sister because they had like

1029
01:04:20,846 --> 01:04:24,854
a previous romance going at some point. And that's

1030
01:04:24,982 --> 01:04:28,454
kind of weird seeing Chuck Norris, like, try to act and be romantic

1031
01:04:28,502 --> 01:04:31,510
and, and be like a flirt when he just kind of comes off as a,

1032
01:04:31,550 --> 01:04:35,030
as a, as a creep. But, you know, yeah, definitely. It's like, you hurt my

1033
01:04:35,070 --> 01:04:38,950
feelings. Yeah. But yeah,

1034
01:04:39,030 --> 01:04:42,694
this is about as close to, you know, outside Hero in the Terror.

1035
01:04:42,742 --> 01:04:46,354
This is about as close as you get to Chuck Norris fighting Michael Myers.

1036
01:04:46,402 --> 01:04:48,510
And that's not a bad thing.

1037
01:04:49,850 --> 01:04:53,202
And you, like Gary mentioned William Finley's in

1038
01:04:53,226 --> 01:04:56,466
this for whatever reason, you know, the Phantom of the paradise

1039
01:04:56,498 --> 01:05:00,610
himself is just in

1040
01:05:00,650 --> 01:05:02,470
this. And yeah,

1041
01:05:03,850 --> 01:05:07,154
pretty good. We'll get into it. But I like this a

1042
01:05:07,162 --> 01:05:10,402
lot more than, Than a lot of Chuck stuff.

1043
01:05:10,466 --> 01:05:14,160
So, yeah, I think the reason why Hero the Terror

1044
01:05:14,740 --> 01:05:17,628
as a presence, you know, super, you know, being.

1045
01:05:17,684 --> 01:05:21,228
Being. That's it being twice. But I,

1046
01:05:21,284 --> 01:05:24,444
I digress that. That Jack O'Halloran plays the,

1047
01:05:24,532 --> 01:05:28,204
the. The villain of sorts in that movie. And that's just an opposing

1048
01:05:28,252 --> 01:05:31,964
force. And so, you know, if you guys know that that's

1049
01:05:32,012 --> 01:05:34,400
non. The. The big guy from Superman.

1050
01:05:37,610 --> 01:05:40,642
Not. Not. You have the. The. I'm pretty sure you knew who he was.

1051
01:05:40,666 --> 01:05:43,230
I'm just telling the audience, you know.

1052
01:05:43,610 --> 01:05:47,122
Yeah. Cameron, Sir Salon Rage. Lay it out,

1053
01:05:47,146 --> 01:05:50,386
son. One of my favorite Chuck Norris movies,

1054
01:05:50,498 --> 01:05:53,906
as you said, Lee is the closest that we ever got to Chuck Norris fighting

1055
01:05:53,938 --> 01:05:57,070
Michael Myers and I am here for it.

1056
01:05:57,850 --> 01:06:01,202
Probably my favorite Chuck Norris movie next to either

1057
01:06:01,266 --> 01:06:04,162
like Code of Silence or maybe, you know,

1058
01:06:04,186 --> 01:06:07,442
Invasion USA, you know, Lone Wolf McQuay. But I could

1059
01:06:07,466 --> 01:06:10,498
go on and on getting a list of my favorite Chuck Norris movies. But,

1060
01:06:10,554 --> 01:06:14,066
like, you know me, I'm. I'm a big horror guy. So this is as close

1061
01:06:14,138 --> 01:06:18,050
as, like, really that, you know, Chuck ever got to horror,

1062
01:06:18,210 --> 01:06:21,554
you know, because let's face it, John Kirby is a formidable force.

1063
01:06:21,602 --> 01:06:24,946
He's. He's. He's Michael Myers without the mask and without the knife.

1064
01:06:24,978 --> 01:06:28,786
He's just breaking backs and cracking necks and crushing skulls

1065
01:06:28,818 --> 01:06:32,670
and doing all types of. I mean, we got that wonderful fight scene

1066
01:06:32,750 --> 01:06:36,142
in the biker bar, which is just. No, I laugh at

1067
01:06:36,166 --> 01:06:38,686
it. You know, I laugh at it now. Before, I was just like, oh,

1068
01:06:38,718 --> 01:06:42,558
this is Pete Chuck. You know, like, nah, this is Pete, you know, choreographed Chuck.

1069
01:06:42,654 --> 01:06:45,342
Yeah, but, you know,

1070
01:06:45,366 --> 01:06:49,198
it's. And William Finley is great in this. Like, I mostly

1071
01:06:49,214 --> 01:06:53,150
recognize him from the fun house where

1072
01:06:53,190 --> 01:06:56,722
he played the drunk magician. I like. It's a great

1073
01:06:56,746 --> 01:07:00,594
character actor. And I will admit I kind of have a love hate relationship

1074
01:07:00,642 --> 01:07:04,194
with Stephen first, like, you know, no pun intended,

1075
01:07:04,242 --> 01:07:07,698
but at first I liked him, and a little bit later, I could.

1076
01:07:07,754 --> 01:07:11,234
When he gets to the. The dog story, you know, about putting the dog in

1077
01:07:11,242 --> 01:07:14,770
the deep freeze, like, I'm like, oh, you're not ingratiating yourself with us,

1078
01:07:14,810 --> 01:07:18,450
sir. Yeah, I'm not feeling bad when you bite the big

1079
01:07:18,490 --> 01:07:22,124
one and like it. I did not know until

1080
01:07:22,212 --> 01:07:26,060
many years later that the. The lady that recorded the

1081
01:07:26,100 --> 01:07:29,804
song, the love song, during Chuck's love scene was Katie Seagal.

1082
01:07:29,932 --> 01:07:32,956
Oh, really? Yeah. Well, good old

1083
01:07:33,028 --> 01:07:36,684
Peg Bundy, man. I mean, I was just like, wow, I did not know that.

1084
01:07:36,772 --> 01:07:40,284
Just call it what it is, Cam. Call it Chuck's montage,

1085
01:07:40,332 --> 01:07:43,772
because that's what it was. Okay. You know? Yes. They're in

1086
01:07:43,796 --> 01:07:46,680
the house, they're in the mud. They're having a good time. You know,

1087
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:51,376
like, it was what. The only time we've seen a scene like that maybe Besides

1088
01:07:51,408 --> 01:07:54,752
Lone Wolf McQuaid, which, you know, totally different kind of

1089
01:07:54,776 --> 01:07:58,608
movie, but. Yeah, I mean, this movie is fun. It's got humor, it's got

1090
01:07:58,664 --> 01:08:01,888
action. Unlike, you know, the previous movie, A Force of One.

1091
01:08:01,944 --> 01:08:05,136
It's. It's got, you know, it's prime Chuck.

1092
01:08:05,328 --> 01:08:07,540
The best way I can put it. Prime Chuck.

1093
01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:12,320
I mean, that's how I put it, you know, when a Chuck Norris movie is

1094
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:15,548
especially good. Yeah, it's prime Chuck, you know?

1095
01:08:15,704 --> 01:08:19,172
Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Sally Raisley.

1096
01:08:19,236 --> 01:08:21,412
I. I have to read her 8. But these guys say, you know, it's the

1097
01:08:21,436 --> 01:08:25,108
first time in. The only time. Well, second to hero and Terror

1098
01:08:25,124 --> 01:08:28,800
you're gonna get Chuck Norris fighting Michael Myers. Which, you know, deep down

1099
01:08:29,340 --> 01:08:33,012
side, that's all we would really want. But this would

1100
01:08:33,036 --> 01:08:37,012
answer a lot of questions about freaking Michael Myers. Like, what if Michael Myers

1101
01:08:37,076 --> 01:08:40,580
was induced with some kind of serum to make him heal? You know,

1102
01:08:40,620 --> 01:08:43,706
that would explain so many things, not just this culture thorn.

1103
01:08:43,818 --> 01:08:47,530
So yeah, in a way, you know, Silent Rage

1104
01:08:47,690 --> 01:08:50,890
explains the mythos of Michael Myers even better

1105
01:08:50,930 --> 01:08:54,826
than Halloween does, you know. Right. Considered a lesser

1106
01:08:54,858 --> 01:08:58,618
movie. So, so, you know, I don't understand this concept of it,

1107
01:08:58,754 --> 01:09:02,522
you know, and I, I, I do love we get

1108
01:09:02,546 --> 01:09:05,882
some good Chuck in this movie. I mean, right at the beginning though,

1109
01:09:05,906 --> 01:09:09,946
you get you, what he's great about the beginning is you establish this character

1110
01:09:10,138 --> 01:09:12,750
who's infinitely terrifying.

1111
01:09:13,330 --> 01:09:16,938
But you could tell her he's having problems. Like he's making

1112
01:09:16,994 --> 01:09:19,642
calls and say, you know what? Whatever it is, is it working? And you know,

1113
01:09:19,666 --> 01:09:23,098
he's, he's losing his, losing his. And I'd be losing it in that house

1114
01:09:23,154 --> 01:09:27,082
too, man. Oh yeah. Kids and a woman who

1115
01:09:27,106 --> 01:09:30,390
I thought was Beth Grant, but it was not Beth Grant. You know,

1116
01:09:31,010 --> 01:09:33,898
I was like that best Grant, you know, because, you know, if you guys don't

1117
01:09:33,914 --> 01:09:37,466
know that is listeners. She, she doubts

1118
01:09:37,498 --> 01:09:41,030
your commitment to Sparkle Motion is all say about Beth Grant right there.

1119
01:09:41,890 --> 01:09:45,306
The biggest thing people know her from is, is Donnie

1120
01:09:45,338 --> 01:09:48,682
Darko. But she's been in many other things. But she's not in

1121
01:09:48,706 --> 01:09:51,670
this movie. Which blew my mind. That wasn't that person.

1122
01:09:53,970 --> 01:09:57,754
Yeah, this is great. I mean, Chuck. There's many scenes

1123
01:09:57,882 --> 01:10:02,346
where Chuck is fighting, trying to find this man or fighting

1124
01:10:02,378 --> 01:10:05,710
against this man, like they said. Stephen first is,

1125
01:10:05,750 --> 01:10:09,342
is I, I look at it, I look him at

1126
01:10:09,366 --> 01:10:13,374
him as like the goofy comic relief that wasn't,

1127
01:10:13,422 --> 01:10:17,210
was necessary but unnecessary because, because again,

1128
01:10:17,510 --> 01:10:21,390
just like Chuck's son, you know, when he

1129
01:10:21,430 --> 01:10:25,294
dies in force, the one, you know, with Steven first unfortunately

1130
01:10:25,342 --> 01:10:29,438
gets bear hugged to death in this movie. It's, it's, it is.

1131
01:10:29,574 --> 01:10:33,276
Even then he gets that stupid like a western death. Yeah, I've hurt

1132
01:10:33,308 --> 01:10:37,196
real bad, boss. I'm hurt real bad, you know, and he

1133
01:10:37,348 --> 01:10:40,204
crow and Chuck's just holding them. And holding on to him. It's like, you'll be

1134
01:10:40,212 --> 01:10:44,080
okay. You'll be all right. Like, no, my back is broke. I'm dying

1135
01:10:47,620 --> 01:10:51,260
soon. It's not getting to my brain anymore. But I, I stayed away

1136
01:10:51,380 --> 01:10:55,160
just long enough to say, I'm hurt. Balls. He hurt me real bad.

1137
01:10:56,830 --> 01:11:00,214
The doctors are really great in this movie. William Finley

1138
01:11:00,262 --> 01:11:02,758
has mentioned. This is like, you know, your,

1139
01:11:02,814 --> 01:11:05,910
your Your peon that's going along with

1140
01:11:05,950 --> 01:11:09,702
things. Ron Silver is. Is the

1141
01:11:09,726 --> 01:11:13,574
scientist who. Who wants this to stop. But again, Stephen Keats is

1142
01:11:13,582 --> 01:11:16,950
your. Your mad doctor, Dr. Spires, who says, you know what,

1143
01:11:17,070 --> 01:11:20,182
we up our years of research because you want to

1144
01:11:20,206 --> 01:11:23,824
do something. Blah, blah. Of course, them all over because, you.

1145
01:11:23,832 --> 01:11:27,024
Know, essentially Dr. Frankenstein at this point.

1146
01:11:27,192 --> 01:11:29,936
Yeah, yeah. You want Dr.

1147
01:11:29,968 --> 01:11:33,152
Hallman to live about Ron Silver, but, you know, he. He's the first one to

1148
01:11:33,176 --> 01:11:36,400
go, which is kind of up in retrospect, you know.

1149
01:11:36,440 --> 01:11:40,352
Yeah. Him and his. Him and his. His girlfriend in

1150
01:11:40,376 --> 01:11:44,016
the. In the like the real serious, like, slasher movie.

1151
01:11:44,128 --> 01:11:46,780
Yeah. Segment and the thing. Right.

1152
01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:51,066
Especially when, you know. Sorry,

1153
01:11:51,098 --> 01:11:54,106
yeah, I was just gonna say, like, especially when, you know, they find the bodies

1154
01:11:54,138 --> 01:11:57,546
and stuff later on. It's like. Yeah, that's. That's straight

1155
01:11:57,578 --> 01:12:00,522
out of like, that. Stuff like that. And like,

1156
01:12:00,706 --> 01:12:04,154
you also get like the sort of like, Loomis looking down from the window

1157
01:12:04,202 --> 01:12:07,754
Halloween shot as well. Like, there's definitely a lot of stuff that's just like directly

1158
01:12:07,802 --> 01:12:10,350
lifted from Halloween in this movie.

1159
01:12:11,890 --> 01:12:15,626
But it could easily been like a Chuck Norris

1160
01:12:15,658 --> 01:12:19,514
vs Michael Myers Specs group. I'm not

1161
01:12:19,602 --> 01:12:22,890
on Carpenter, but they do it better as far as like,

1162
01:12:22,930 --> 01:12:27,082
hey, hey. But there's a curse. Like, no, no, no. They. They use science

1163
01:12:27,146 --> 01:12:31,350
in this movie. That is not real. Of course. And I.

1164
01:12:31,650 --> 01:12:35,402
We talk about William Finley in this movie. He has

1165
01:12:35,506 --> 01:12:39,962
one of the greatest white guy deaths ever because after

1166
01:12:39,986 --> 01:12:43,322
he's told to inject that what I'm guessing is some kind of

1167
01:12:43,346 --> 01:12:47,070
acid into our killer to. To terminate him, he of course

1168
01:12:47,110 --> 01:12:50,750
uses Wolverine powers to deny the acid and wakes up

1169
01:12:50,870 --> 01:12:54,382
and William Finley seems. Coming down a hallway, the shadow of him,

1170
01:12:54,486 --> 01:12:57,730
and he has the. Hey, we cool, right, bruh? We cool.

1171
01:12:58,710 --> 01:13:02,430
No, we're not cool. We're not cool. And then he dies. And then,

1172
01:13:02,470 --> 01:13:05,790
you know, I just love that, you know, hey, we cool moment

1173
01:13:05,870 --> 01:13:09,054
by William Finley. And you know, when he holds up. The syringe in front of

1174
01:13:09,062 --> 01:13:13,380
him, like, no, no, I did this before. I'll do it again the first time.

1175
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:18,200
I just love that concept that he. He has this power to regenerate.

1176
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:22,104
That was. That was given to him by man. The whole mad

1177
01:13:22,152 --> 01:13:26,260
scientist aspect of this is. Is insanely well done.

1178
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:30,360
I. I don't want to say it belongs in a better movie, but they took

1179
01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:34,184
that concept from this movie to turn somebody into Wolverine

1180
01:13:34,232 --> 01:13:38,082
without that adamantium. I think it would be really cool if

1181
01:13:38,106 --> 01:13:41,554
they did this again, but like, in another. In another plot

1182
01:13:41,682 --> 01:13:45,154
and. Oh, I think they Wanted to. I think they wanted to do a sequel

1183
01:13:45,202 --> 01:13:49,090
because they set it up for a sequel, but they never. He has

1184
01:13:49,130 --> 01:13:51,830
a Skeletor moment where he comes out. Yeah.

1185
01:13:53,370 --> 01:13:56,450
Scared the. Out of me as a kid. I just

1186
01:13:56,490 --> 01:13:59,842
think when I saw this as

1187
01:13:59,866 --> 01:14:03,634
a kid, when I was like 6, 7 years old and my mom

1188
01:14:03,722 --> 01:14:07,042
rented it for me, you know, I remember being glued to the couch.

1189
01:14:07,106 --> 01:14:10,350
I could not move. After that scene was over, I was scared to walk to

1190
01:14:10,390 --> 01:14:14,574
15ft over to my bedroom to. I was just frozen.

1191
01:14:14,702 --> 01:14:17,822
I was scared shitless of that ending. It's out of

1192
01:14:17,846 --> 01:14:21,310
focus, you know, but he looks terrifying even

1193
01:14:21,350 --> 01:14:24,170
out of focus when he plummets out of the water.

1194
01:14:24,710 --> 01:14:27,694
He has the Skeletor ending where he just pops out of the water. But he

1195
01:14:27,702 --> 01:14:31,022
does. I'll be back. He just, you know, because as we know,

1196
01:14:31,046 --> 01:14:35,150
Frank Langella was not back at Skeletor. And that makes me

1197
01:14:35,190 --> 01:14:37,210
sad because he was so good at it.

1198
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:42,312
Only one trying in that movie. No.

1199
01:14:42,496 --> 01:14:47,064
If you haven't seen the Power of Grayskull documentary, he has a whole section

1200
01:14:47,112 --> 01:14:50,680
on there where he talks about him changing the lines.

1201
01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:54,936
You know, hit all of his lines and, you know, work at that rubber

1202
01:14:54,968 --> 01:14:58,952
mask. You know, the alpha and

1203
01:14:58,976 --> 01:15:02,360
the omega. So good.

1204
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:06,518
It's so good. If you haven't seen it before, master the universe.

1205
01:15:06,614 --> 01:15:09,942
You can go to YouTube, watch all the Skeletor parts in one video, and,

1206
01:15:10,046 --> 01:15:13,286
you know, your day will be better, in my opinion, you know? Right.

1207
01:15:13,358 --> 01:15:16,850
Right. Yeah. But this film,

1208
01:15:17,310 --> 01:15:21,570
I. I think it's. The action's great. I mean, the martial arts is

1209
01:15:21,950 --> 01:15:25,410
120 more cleaner in this movie, which is important

1210
01:15:25,710 --> 01:15:29,638
when your starring vehicle is Chuck Norris and he's known for doing

1211
01:15:29,694 --> 01:15:32,872
martial arts, and it's just

1212
01:15:32,896 --> 01:15:36,280
a lot. A lot better. And I.

1213
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:39,960
I'm like, these guys. I. I feel bad when Steven first dies, but then again,

1214
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:43,288
he did kill a dog, so that. That gets cut in half pretty

1215
01:15:43,304 --> 01:15:46,632
easily. I only feel, like, half as bad about it.

1216
01:15:46,736 --> 01:15:49,672
Yeah. When you deep freeze a dog, you're like,

1217
01:15:49,696 --> 01:15:53,096
yeah, that's. That's bad. Yeah. I'm just gonna say I'm.

1218
01:15:53,128 --> 01:15:56,600
I'm happy he died in this, and he should have died sooner. I. I could

1219
01:15:56,640 --> 01:16:00,420
not take Stephen first in this movie. It just. It. It. I did

1220
01:16:00,460 --> 01:16:03,572
not need comic relief in this. Like, I think that's one of the.

1221
01:16:03,676 --> 01:16:07,380
If I got any criticisms of these. Of this movie, really, it's more

1222
01:16:07,420 --> 01:16:11,044
that, like, I kind of wish it just stuck strictly

1223
01:16:11,092 --> 01:16:14,180
to, like, being a serious slasher movie and not having to have,

1224
01:16:14,220 --> 01:16:17,892
like. Like, even the bar fight Which I like. It feels out of

1225
01:16:17,916 --> 01:16:21,860
place in this movie. It should just be Chuck versus Michael Myers.

1226
01:16:21,940 --> 01:16:25,348
This should be the thing. But they told those guys to get out of town,

1227
01:16:25,404 --> 01:16:28,622
though. Come on. Only, you know, I love the one.

1228
01:16:28,646 --> 01:16:32,050
Guy when he's like, well, nobody called the police. It must be a mirage.

1229
01:16:33,030 --> 01:16:35,918
It's just. It's just they're. They're from a different movie, right?

1230
01:16:35,974 --> 01:16:39,278
Like, maybe another movie where Chuck Norris is a cop cleaning

1231
01:16:39,294 --> 01:16:42,046
up a town. That's fine. Like, Chuck Norris didn't even have to be a cop

1232
01:16:42,078 --> 01:16:45,422
in this. He could have been anything else. And you

1233
01:16:45,446 --> 01:16:48,318
could have had the same plot for the most part. And you just.

1234
01:16:48,454 --> 01:16:51,934
You take the bikers out, you put in a few more slasher kills. You have

1235
01:16:51,942 --> 01:16:54,890
Chuck Norris as maybe a detective or something, like,

1236
01:16:55,240 --> 01:16:58,816
you know, like a PI Hunting down this killer or something that.

1237
01:16:58,968 --> 01:17:02,832
That works. He could easily been, like, a security guard working at the hospital did.

1238
01:17:02,856 --> 01:17:05,840
Like. True. Yeah. Something's not right here.

1239
01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:09,152
I'm gonna investigate. I like that idea. Because then

1240
01:17:09,176 --> 01:17:12,384
you get a little bit of Halloween 2 in it as well. Like, this guy

1241
01:17:12,432 --> 01:17:16,016
attacks, like, Chuck's old girlfriend, and now she's in the hospital, and Chuck

1242
01:17:16,048 --> 01:17:20,000
has to protect her in the hospital. Yeah. It's essentially Halloween 2

1243
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:23,220
with. Without the Michael Myers mask. That's what it is. Yeah.

1244
01:17:24,620 --> 01:17:28,116
Now you gotta think about Halloween 3. Dan Chalice, Chuck Norris

1245
01:17:28,148 --> 01:17:31,680
mashup. You know, where they have to fight for mustache supremacy. You know,

1246
01:17:32,380 --> 01:17:35,600
deciding who's gonna. Your mother first. Yeah. You know,

1247
01:17:37,580 --> 01:17:41,556
if you look at the poster, it's got a great poster. Because Chuck Norris

1248
01:17:41,588 --> 01:17:44,772
is so big at this point, they give a. If they use his

1249
01:17:44,796 --> 01:17:48,068
character name at all. And the poster just says, science created

1250
01:17:48,084 --> 01:17:50,960
him. Now Chuck Norris must destroy him.

1251
01:17:51,500 --> 01:17:55,144
Like, One man's Mission Disturbed. Like, no, no, you're gonna.

1252
01:17:55,192 --> 01:17:58,408
Twice on this poster, because it says there, and it says

1253
01:17:58,464 --> 01:18:01,896
above the title, Silent Rage with Chuck Roundhouse

1254
01:18:01,928 --> 01:18:05,368
kicking the title card, you know, just to let you know

1255
01:18:05,424 --> 01:18:09,096
that, hey, Chuck Norris, if you didn't miss the massive picture that we're sitting

1256
01:18:09,128 --> 01:18:12,088
right there, too, of him. He's in this movie. Yep.

1257
01:18:12,184 --> 01:18:14,740
And he has silent rage, too. You know,

1258
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:18,862
Chuck's always got silent rage, so that's the thing. But he has

1259
01:18:18,886 --> 01:18:22,574
audible rage. And that's the problem. I don't want to

1260
01:18:22,582 --> 01:18:25,678
get into politics, but they're a little warped sometimes, you know? Oh,

1261
01:18:25,694 --> 01:18:29,534
yeah. But we love him for the good stuff that

1262
01:18:29,542 --> 01:18:33,166
he's done, though. So there's that, you know. Yep. Like Sally

1263
01:18:33,198 --> 01:18:36,414
Rage. I mean, I recommend this film to anybody. I mean, this is one of

1264
01:18:36,422 --> 01:18:39,650
those argument films as horror fans.

1265
01:18:39,990 --> 01:18:43,486
Is, is this film a slasher? Yes, this film was a slasher. It just happens

1266
01:18:43,518 --> 01:18:45,970
to have Chuck Norris in it, you know. Yeah,

1267
01:18:47,190 --> 01:18:50,350
you're karate kicking Dr. Loomis, you know.

1268
01:18:50,390 --> 01:18:53,870
You know, I think, you know, people hesitate on this one because

1269
01:18:53,910 --> 01:18:57,102
it doesn't quite go as hard as 10 to midnight does

1270
01:18:57,126 --> 01:19:01,086
with Charles Bronson, right where that one is like very sleazy.

1271
01:19:01,118 --> 01:19:04,686
Like that one's like American giallo slasher almost

1272
01:19:04,758 --> 01:19:08,250
kind of thing. Whereas this one still has enough like

1273
01:19:08,550 --> 01:19:12,330
Chuck Norris as a cop doing cop things and outside

1274
01:19:12,630 --> 01:19:16,126
distractions. So there's a bit more of a gray

1275
01:19:16,158 --> 01:19:19,566
area there. But yeah, I'd say it's still straight up pretty much a horror movie

1276
01:19:19,598 --> 01:19:23,230
in the, for the most part, it just. Happens to have Chuck Norris in it.

1277
01:19:23,270 --> 01:19:26,526
That's the only difference. Now John Kirby was hanging dong

1278
01:19:26,558 --> 01:19:29,742
like the guy intended Midnight the whole time, you know.

1279
01:19:29,926 --> 01:19:32,350
Equal, Equal exploitation.

1280
01:19:32,510 --> 01:19:36,030
Yeah, well, I, I, I, I'm sorry, Chuck Norris. We need

1281
01:19:36,070 --> 01:19:39,422
a huge dildo attached to the power drill, you know,

1282
01:19:39,446 --> 01:19:43,138
or that the, Was it a foot or something? A rubber foot?

1283
01:19:43,274 --> 01:19:46,510
Yeah. You know what? This is for jacking off, isn't it?

1284
01:19:50,170 --> 01:19:53,870
No, I haven't seen that movie too many times. No, no, not at all.

1285
01:19:54,650 --> 01:19:58,226
Yeah, you, you need that, that biker bar scene,

1286
01:19:58,258 --> 01:20:01,666
you know, I almost wish that to create more, more comic

1287
01:20:01,698 --> 01:20:05,042
relief just to really lay it home that, hey, he's here to die, to be

1288
01:20:05,066 --> 01:20:08,732
comic relief. Charlie rolls up in the foot with a, like one

1289
01:20:08,756 --> 01:20:11,040
of those Bill Cage paddy wagons.

1290
01:20:11,860 --> 01:20:14,892
Throwing those guys in the paddy wagon. I forget which,

1291
01:20:14,996 --> 01:20:18,812
which police academy that happens in, but it happens in the Police Academy movie where

1292
01:20:18,916 --> 01:20:22,348
Hightower just goes. Everybody starts cleaning house at the Blue. Oh, that's part

1293
01:20:22,404 --> 01:20:26,332
two. Yeah, it's just part two. Yeah. Starts throwing guys in the back

1294
01:20:26,356 --> 01:20:29,388
of a paddy wagon, you know. Oh, yeah,

1295
01:20:29,404 --> 01:20:33,004
because that was a Mouser joint. I forgot now. Yes, the tracks.

1296
01:20:33,052 --> 01:20:36,810
Yes. Oh, yeah. Another series

1297
01:20:36,850 --> 01:20:39,562
I can't get enough of for no good reason at all. I just can't get

1298
01:20:39,586 --> 01:20:43,322
enough of it. Even, even Mission to Moscow,

1299
01:20:43,386 --> 01:20:47,322
people. We'Ll have to agree to disagree on

1300
01:20:47,346 --> 01:20:48,910
that one. Mission to Moscow.

1301
01:20:51,410 --> 01:20:55,210
You got Rob Perla doing bad Russian accent in that movie, though. Come on now,

1302
01:20:55,250 --> 01:20:57,930
you know, I'll get. I'll give you that much. I'll give you that much,

1303
01:20:57,970 --> 01:21:01,400
sir. No, this, this, this is

1304
01:21:01,440 --> 01:21:05,352
great though. Hey, this, this is, this is top tier Chuck and

1305
01:21:05,536 --> 01:21:09,416
prime Chuck, if you will. That soup bone tastes really good,

1306
01:21:09,568 --> 01:21:13,096
you know. Might make some, some tasty beef Stew,

1307
01:21:13,128 --> 01:21:17,640
even if you will. But yeah,

1308
01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:20,328
that's, that's all my thoughts on the final thoughts on the film.

1309
01:21:20,384 --> 01:21:22,980
Lee. Yeah, this one,

1310
01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:27,512
this one's entertaining. This is one you could put on and enjoy and not just

1311
01:21:27,536 --> 01:21:30,672
have it in the background. Like this one you can pay attention to because,

1312
01:21:30,816 --> 01:21:34,208
you know, there's enough stuff going on around Chuck that's really good.

1313
01:21:34,264 --> 01:21:38,224
And then Chuck himself is pretty decent in this one. Like, at least he's trying.

1314
01:21:38,392 --> 01:21:41,680
He has like some character stuff he actually does in this, you know,

1315
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:44,912
even though, like we said, he kind of comes off as a creep with his

1316
01:21:44,936 --> 01:21:48,416
love interest because he's just kind of like, hey, remember when we used to date,

1317
01:21:48,448 --> 01:21:51,360
we should just start doing that again. And despite the fact that,

1318
01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:54,800
you know, at first she protests or whatever, but she seems into it.

1319
01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:57,634
So you kind of get like, why did they even break up? I don't know.

1320
01:21:57,712 --> 01:22:01,502
It's just because he needs to have a. He, he needs to chase a

1321
01:22:01,526 --> 01:22:04,878
girl in this, apparently. But yeah,

1322
01:22:04,894 --> 01:22:08,798
the slasher stuff, when it happens is really good. You got

1323
01:22:08,854 --> 01:22:12,366
like, you know, three doctors. One of them's evil,

1324
01:22:12,398 --> 01:22:16,382
one of them's kind of in between. The other one's kind of like a

1325
01:22:16,406 --> 01:22:19,278
good guy who's trying to do his best but gets in the way.

1326
01:22:19,334 --> 01:22:21,810
And I liked all that stuff.

1327
01:22:22,550 --> 01:22:25,894
And you know, the killer is imposing. He's. He's a credible

1328
01:22:25,942 --> 01:22:29,526
threat to Chuck. Like Chuck doesn't end up killing him in the end,

1329
01:22:29,678 --> 01:22:33,414
you know, so that says something for, you know, that's a rarity

1330
01:22:33,462 --> 01:22:36,406
in, in one of these movies where Chuck doesn't,

1331
01:22:36,598 --> 01:22:39,010
you know, Chuck doesn't ultimately win.

1332
01:22:40,350 --> 01:22:43,638
Yeah, I like this. I like this a lot. It, it's, for me, it's like

1333
01:22:43,694 --> 01:22:46,966
it's in the top two. Like if you, you're doing like a tier list

1334
01:22:47,038 --> 01:22:49,846
ranking or whatever, like people do sometimes.

1335
01:22:50,038 --> 01:22:53,616
This is kind of like up near the top tier, but like

1336
01:22:53,688 --> 01:22:56,912
lower half of the top tier. I'd say, like, it's not quite as good

1337
01:22:56,936 --> 01:23:00,336
as his best movies, but it's a really fun Chuck

1338
01:23:00,368 --> 01:23:03,616
Norris movie at the end of the day. And that's kind of what you're asking

1339
01:23:03,648 --> 01:23:07,264
for. You're not looking for necessarily great drama or

1340
01:23:07,352 --> 01:23:10,736
like top tier action movies with Chuck Norris. You're kind of looking for,

1341
01:23:10,808 --> 01:23:13,984
you know, just kind of fun. And if you can

1342
01:23:13,992 --> 01:23:17,344
get that out of Chuck, you got a good Chuck movie and that this is

1343
01:23:17,352 --> 01:23:18,420
a good Chuck movie.

1344
01:23:20,510 --> 01:23:24,150
Cameron, I agree about 110 with

1345
01:23:24,190 --> 01:23:27,610
everything Lee just said. Like, it's a fun movie.

1346
01:23:28,110 --> 01:23:31,890
I, although I will Disagree with one thing. I like the humor of it.

1347
01:23:32,430 --> 01:23:35,462
It's not much. It's not often.

1348
01:23:35,566 --> 01:23:38,918
Sorry. That you actually get a Chuck Norris movie that has humor,

1349
01:23:39,014 --> 01:23:42,630
that has comic relief. And I feel like Stephen first does

1350
01:23:42,670 --> 01:23:46,038
kind of work. He doesn't work at times he's a little overbearing, you know,

1351
01:23:46,094 --> 01:23:49,174
on things. It's a, you know, some of

1352
01:23:49,182 --> 01:23:52,358
his mishandlings of,

1353
01:23:52,414 --> 01:23:55,702
of certain scenes. There's just a little bit much. But I kind of

1354
01:23:55,726 --> 01:23:59,222
like, I mean I, I do, I do generally like Stephen first in this

1355
01:23:59,246 --> 01:24:01,958
movie. I mean, he's not as annoying as say,

1356
01:24:02,014 --> 01:24:05,302
Franklin and then Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Yeah,

1357
01:24:05,366 --> 01:24:09,174
annoying. You know, he's not. I don't hate him quite that bad. I have a

1358
01:24:09,262 --> 01:24:13,050
love hate relationship with his performance here. But it's the sky,

1359
01:24:14,370 --> 01:24:17,322
probably with Stephen first in this movie is that he feels like a kid on

1360
01:24:17,346 --> 01:24:21,430
a ride along. Like, like the whole movie. Yeah, right, right. So he's like,

1361
01:24:21,890 --> 01:24:23,550
hey, it's time to get serious.

1362
01:24:25,970 --> 01:24:29,162
You know, he feels like he's like a 12 or 13 year old really.

1363
01:24:29,266 --> 01:24:32,762
On a ride. Yeah. But you know,

1364
01:24:32,786 --> 01:24:36,202
I, I do love this movie. It was one of my first Chuck movies that

1365
01:24:36,226 --> 01:24:39,962
I ever saw. It made me scared the out of Brian Libby for a

1366
01:24:40,066 --> 01:24:43,506
lifetime, man. I did not like him as

1367
01:24:43,578 --> 01:24:47,058
John Kirby. Well, not did not like him, but I feared him. I, I thought,

1368
01:24:47,114 --> 01:24:50,322
thought he was a palpable presence, you know.

1369
01:24:50,346 --> 01:24:53,698
And it, this movie kind of has like different. And use this word

1370
01:24:53,714 --> 01:24:57,762
again, Tears of Villains. You know, ron Silver

1371
01:24:57,826 --> 01:25:01,330
is Dr. Hallman. Is that his name? Dr. Hallman? I think it was,

1372
01:25:01,450 --> 01:25:05,026
you know, was kind of like the reluctant villain. Stephen Keats was straight

1373
01:25:05,058 --> 01:25:08,770
up Dr. Frankenstein and you know, Brian Levy,

1374
01:25:08,930 --> 01:25:12,514
you know, was straight up Michael Myers. I mean, it was just,

1375
01:25:12,682 --> 01:25:16,146
it was. It's a lot more of a complicated Chuck movie than I think we're

1376
01:25:16,178 --> 01:25:19,826
used to. I think most of the time it was either straight karate, straight action,

1377
01:25:19,898 --> 01:25:24,050
straight cop movie or something. This movie was multifaceted

1378
01:25:24,130 --> 01:25:27,906
and I love it for it. And you know, you know, you don't hire

1379
01:25:27,938 --> 01:25:31,314
Chuck Norris, as the director said, you know, you don't hire Chuck Norris

1380
01:25:31,362 --> 01:25:34,642
not to do karate. And he does plenty of it in

1381
01:25:34,666 --> 01:25:38,050
here. He runs, he runs Brian Libby over, he shoots him, he sets him on

1382
01:25:38,090 --> 01:25:41,400
fire, he drowns him, beats him, throws them at the bottom of the well and

1383
01:25:41,440 --> 01:25:45,480
still can't kill that son of a. So I, I think it's one

1384
01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:49,080
of the bigger travesties in sequel film

1385
01:25:49,120 --> 01:25:51,832
history that this movie never got a part 2. I think it was. They Were

1386
01:25:51,856 --> 01:25:54,984
probably hoping for it, but I know it didn't really do as well as they

1387
01:25:54,992 --> 01:25:58,408
were hoping. I think it made like 10 million box office, which even for like

1388
01:25:58,464 --> 01:26:02,072
early 80s was not superb. Yeah. Because its

1389
01:26:02,096 --> 01:26:05,880
budget was 4.5 million. So like 10.5

1390
01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:09,544
million isn't a big enough return at this point where it's like, yeah,

1391
01:26:09,592 --> 01:26:12,632
we'll try it again. You know, it's not like a Friday the 13th where if

1392
01:26:12,656 --> 01:26:15,896
they do that, then it's like, okay, let's do it again. This is.

1393
01:26:15,968 --> 01:26:18,420
This is more disappointing for.

1394
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:21,816
For them. Yeah. But I love this movie.

1395
01:26:21,848 --> 01:26:25,368
I consider it middle to top of the heap of Chuck

1396
01:26:25,384 --> 01:26:28,420
Norris movies. It's. It's definitely some prime ch.

1397
01:26:32,410 --> 01:26:35,630
Nope, I had myself on mute there. No, no, I.

1398
01:26:37,210 --> 01:26:40,402
Yeah, this is very enjoyable. Again, top 10.

1399
01:26:40,426 --> 01:26:42,722
It's kind of hard to pick a top five for Chuck Norris films, in my

1400
01:26:42,746 --> 01:26:46,226
opinion. And I know you guys are thinking, oh, why? It's just Chuck Norris

1401
01:26:46,258 --> 01:26:50,546
because he made some quality genre stuff and he. He kind of always knew,

1402
01:26:50,738 --> 01:26:54,082
especially early on what. What movie he was in, if that

1403
01:26:54,106 --> 01:26:56,930
makes any sense to anybody else. It just.

1404
01:26:57,050 --> 01:27:01,256
Yeah, yeah. This film itself, you know, he was surrounded by gray

1405
01:27:01,288 --> 01:27:03,944
genre people imposing force,

1406
01:27:04,072 --> 01:27:08,232
and he looked terrifying when

1407
01:27:08,256 --> 01:27:11,640
he went full bore there, bro. Brian Libby is John Kirby.

1408
01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:16,088
He had the killer was doing. Doing good stuff. And again,

1409
01:27:16,144 --> 01:27:21,300
that little bit of comedy tension there really

1410
01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:25,180
lighten the mood of the film. Film, I guess, for a while.

1411
01:27:25,220 --> 01:27:28,684
Because you. You would have that. That bit of like, levity, like the.

1412
01:27:28,772 --> 01:27:32,972
The sex montage or like the bar in

1413
01:27:32,996 --> 01:27:36,300
between of. Of, you know, brutal murders.

1414
01:27:36,380 --> 01:27:40,236
So what turns folks off of the fact that Chuck Norris

1415
01:27:40,268 --> 01:27:43,932
in this movie to say, hey, this film's not a slasher. And I'm telling you,

1416
01:27:43,956 --> 01:27:47,000
hey, hey, it is. And you know, go.

1417
01:27:47,780 --> 01:27:51,510
Go check it out. Available on

1418
01:27:51,550 --> 01:27:55,110
Tubies. So you have no, no, no, no recourse to say,

1419
01:27:55,150 --> 01:27:59,014
hey, I'm not watching that movie and paying for it. You can watch it

1420
01:27:59,022 --> 01:28:02,262
for free on Tubi. I'm sure it's a fine print of the film too.

1421
01:28:02,446 --> 01:28:05,174
Yeah. Because you don't have to pay for it. So there you go. We got

1422
01:28:05,182 --> 01:28:09,670
no reason to skip. There you go. But that

1423
01:28:09,710 --> 01:28:13,094
is, that. Is that for. For good old Chuck for today?

1424
01:28:13,262 --> 01:28:16,294
I'd love to do Breaker Breaker on your show one day. That'd be a lot

1425
01:28:16,302 --> 01:28:19,632
of fun. Lee, him and good old Jan. Michael Vincent, I think said that

1426
01:28:19,656 --> 01:28:22,832
movie. Oh, yeah, yeah. That. That sounds like something we

1427
01:28:22,856 --> 01:28:25,060
should do. Oh, my gosh. Yeah.

1428
01:28:26,360 --> 01:28:29,984
Breaker in years. Oh, yeah, I watch it. It's pretty fun. It's pretty

1429
01:28:30,032 --> 01:28:33,632
fun. And we'll be back right for this to

1430
01:28:33,736 --> 01:28:36,896
close out the show. Chuck Norris

1431
01:28:36,928 --> 01:28:39,580
Karate Commando. Bring it up.

1432
01:28:42,360 --> 01:28:45,818
Figure so separately location Tibet assignment recovers

1433
01:28:45,834 --> 01:28:49,066
stolen microchip. Protecting it was super ninja.

1434
01:28:49,258 --> 01:28:52,906
First Teemo stood up to him and was down.

1435
01:28:53,058 --> 01:28:56,618
Then Reed Smith flew in and was grounded.

1436
01:28:56,714 --> 01:29:00,106
But now it's his karate against mine. Chuck Norris

1437
01:29:00,138 --> 01:29:04,106
Karate commandos. Chuck Norris super ninja. Reed Smith Chemo and other figures sold

1438
01:29:04,138 --> 01:29:08,122
separately new from Kenner. Thanks guys for coming on

1439
01:29:08,146 --> 01:29:11,342
and filling in for my, my normal beepers. I know

1440
01:29:11,366 --> 01:29:13,550
that's always a pleasure to be with you guys. It's been a while since we've

1441
01:29:14,050 --> 01:29:17,006
done Torchies and that's coming real soon too.

1442
01:29:17,078 --> 01:29:22,158
Spoilers, guys, if you will. You know. So they've

1443
01:29:22,174 --> 01:29:25,134
been away for a while and I'm, I'm looking forward to.

1444
01:29:25,302 --> 01:29:28,254
I'm glad we got back in the saddle tonight. I'm glad to get back inside

1445
01:29:28,302 --> 01:29:31,854
looking with you guys, the saddle and the trenches.

1446
01:29:31,982 --> 01:29:36,222
Pick. Pick an analogy. Here I

1447
01:29:36,246 --> 01:29:39,582
go to bed for these gentlemen anytime they ask me to, let's put it

1448
01:29:39,606 --> 01:29:40,810
that way. You know,

1449
01:29:43,590 --> 01:29:46,862
you guys got a lot of stuff going on. I mean, Lee's been releasing a

1450
01:29:46,886 --> 01:29:50,382
show a week. I'll start with you, Lee. What you got

1451
01:29:50,406 --> 01:29:52,970
going on on the show and what you got coming.

1452
01:29:54,390 --> 01:29:57,598
Yeah, so I had a pretty good January actually,

1453
01:29:57,654 --> 01:30:00,414
where I got. I managed to get a bunch of shows out, so that was

1454
01:30:00,502 --> 01:30:04,062
good. We did, did Highlander and

1455
01:30:04,086 --> 01:30:07,934
we sort of talked about the, the franchise itself as

1456
01:30:08,022 --> 01:30:11,290
a whole as well on that episode. So that was a lot of fun.

1457
01:30:12,450 --> 01:30:16,922
We did the Matador just

1458
01:30:17,026 --> 01:30:20,682
last week, which was a fun little talk. If people

1459
01:30:20,706 --> 01:30:24,042
are not familiar with that one. That's the Pierce Brosnan one where he's kind of

1460
01:30:24,066 --> 01:30:27,690
like trying to sort of get

1461
01:30:27,730 --> 01:30:31,354
the stink of his Bond portrayal

1462
01:30:31,402 --> 01:30:35,178
off of him by sort of playing an anti Bond in that. And it's

1463
01:30:35,194 --> 01:30:38,852
got Greg Kinnear in it and it's real fun. So we

1464
01:30:38,876 --> 01:30:42,740
had a fun discussion there. We also did the. This past

1465
01:30:42,780 --> 01:30:46,148
month we also did our best and worst first time watches for 2024.

1466
01:30:46,204 --> 01:30:49,684
That was a big episode as well. And just

1467
01:30:49,772 --> 01:30:53,940
last night I recorded a episode on the Monolith

1468
01:30:54,020 --> 01:30:57,268
Monsters with my guest Matt Anderson. And That's

1469
01:30:57,284 --> 01:31:00,964
a Oddball 1950s sci fi movie

1470
01:31:01,012 --> 01:31:04,164
from Universal Studios that a lot of

1471
01:31:04,172 --> 01:31:07,712
people don't know about. It's kind of like a. Almost,

1472
01:31:07,816 --> 01:31:11,328
almost a Lost movie in a sense. Whereas, you know, people just kind of overlook

1473
01:31:11,344 --> 01:31:15,168
it or they just never check it out. But it's very Much worth

1474
01:31:15,184 --> 01:31:18,544
checking out. And that episode will be out. That'll be

1475
01:31:18,552 --> 01:31:20,940
the latest one probably by the time you hear this.

1476
01:31:21,320 --> 01:31:24,720
And as for that, I don't, I don't know what's coming

1477
01:31:24,760 --> 01:31:28,512
up next. I, I planned out January, but I

1478
01:31:28,536 --> 01:31:31,744
did not plan out February at all. So who knows how many episodes

1479
01:31:31,792 --> 01:31:35,642
are going to come out. Maybe two. I'm hoping for two. See what they

1480
01:31:35,666 --> 01:31:38,794
are. Not sure yet, but yeah, that's,

1481
01:31:38,842 --> 01:31:42,058
that's what we're doing over it. They must be Destroyed on site

1482
01:31:42,114 --> 01:31:46,234
tmbdos.podbean.com so check that out if you're

1483
01:31:46,362 --> 01:31:48,906
so inclined. Cool.

1484
01:31:49,098 --> 01:31:54,186
Today, January 26th of 2025.

1485
01:31:54,338 --> 01:31:57,626
Happy New Year, by the way. I know it's late and everything,

1486
01:31:57,698 --> 01:32:01,462
but you know what, we've been around that often, but Cameron

1487
01:32:01,526 --> 01:32:04,342
just released episode a day of his show. Tell us all about it,

1488
01:32:04,366 --> 01:32:08,182
sir. Yeah, I just released an episode on my show

1489
01:32:08,206 --> 01:32:11,850
called Without Warning where I surprised my friend Corey Dawson out of the blue,

1490
01:32:12,350 --> 01:32:16,246
without warning if you will, and with a surprise topic. And we

1491
01:32:16,318 --> 01:32:19,270
did a famous movie, weapons, you know.

1492
01:32:19,310 --> 01:32:22,822
So we talked a lot about Ash's chainsaw, Frenchie shotgun,

1493
01:32:22,966 --> 01:32:27,594
robocop's gun, the Adam the Atlantean

1494
01:32:27,642 --> 01:32:31,578
sword from Conan the Barbarian amongst like dozens and dozens of others.

1495
01:32:31,714 --> 01:32:34,682
But it's the first episode I've released in a while. I kind of took a

1496
01:32:34,706 --> 01:32:38,538
hiatus from not recording but from releasing stuff

1497
01:32:38,554 --> 01:32:41,994
and editing for a while because seasonal depression kind of

1498
01:32:42,002 --> 01:32:45,882
hit me like a freight train and was moving out of a new house,

1499
01:32:45,986 --> 01:32:48,762
out of, out of an old house, moving into a new house. So it was

1500
01:32:48,786 --> 01:32:52,610
just like buying and selling a house. It was like, like just super stressful.

1501
01:32:52,770 --> 01:32:56,434
So I decided to put everything on the back burner. But I'm back at it.

1502
01:32:56,602 --> 01:33:00,034
I have an episode coming up on my Grindhouse Pizzeria show with

1503
01:33:00,042 --> 01:33:03,618
my buddy Tom Commissar. We're talking about the Burt Reynolds joint White

1504
01:33:03,674 --> 01:33:07,026
Lightning. Oh yeah. And my wife and I are doing a

1505
01:33:07,098 --> 01:33:10,722
top 10 of 2024 episode that we're going to be

1506
01:33:10,746 --> 01:33:14,082
recording tomorrow. So it's kind of like a year in review. Our top

1507
01:33:14,106 --> 01:33:17,632
10, you know, our top 10 movies we saw in 2024.

1508
01:33:17,826 --> 01:33:21,604
And then I got a couple of others that are coming out. I got a

1509
01:33:21,612 --> 01:33:25,600
transfers three episode that I'm going to be releasing here in a couple of weeks.

1510
01:33:25,980 --> 01:33:29,636
We're in about, about a week, week and a half. And next month I'm

1511
01:33:29,668 --> 01:33:32,880
starting to release my long recorded. But like,

1512
01:33:34,140 --> 01:33:38,116
just like I said, put them on the back burner. I'm doing A David Cronenberg

1513
01:33:38,148 --> 01:33:42,324
appreciation month for February. Cool. So I'm doing

1514
01:33:42,412 --> 01:33:45,600
several episodes of that, you know, Crimes of the Future,

1515
01:33:46,080 --> 01:33:49,208
Rabid History of Violence,

1516
01:33:49,304 --> 01:33:52,900
Scanners and a couple others. Might record one or two more.

1517
01:33:53,280 --> 01:33:56,408
And then I got, you know, a couple other things in the work.

1518
01:33:56,464 --> 01:33:59,624
But I've been doing a lot of writing lately too, and then the last couple

1519
01:33:59,672 --> 01:34:03,432
months. So I'm in the hard at work on my first novel. So I'm kind

1520
01:34:03,456 --> 01:34:06,664
of excited about that after publishing a couple of short stories in

1521
01:34:06,672 --> 01:34:10,536
the last year. So I'm working on my first novel. So that's taken

1522
01:34:10,608 --> 01:34:14,312
up my. My most of my time while I haven't been recording or

1523
01:34:14,496 --> 01:34:18,370
editing on anything. So been trying to keep busy all the same,

1524
01:34:18,410 --> 01:34:22,706
you know, so it's a good excuse, sir. I'm looking forward to checking

1525
01:34:22,738 --> 01:34:26,030
it out, you know. Yeah, yeah. Thank you. Thank you.

1526
01:34:26,810 --> 01:34:30,402
At the civil camera shows, if you guys haven't listened to the

1527
01:34:30,426 --> 01:34:33,950
Gator McCluskey saga episode that we did on this show,

1528
01:34:34,410 --> 01:34:39,346
myself and John Cross had a good time talking

1529
01:34:39,378 --> 01:34:42,386
about the. The mysticism of one Gator McCluskey and.

1530
01:34:42,458 --> 01:34:46,572
You know, Gator man. Gotta love

1531
01:34:46,596 --> 01:34:49,676
some Gator man. Yeah.

1532
01:34:49,708 --> 01:34:50,600
This show.

1533
01:34:52,500 --> 01:34:56,572
Next guys, have you hear. These guys will be in our last call Torches Recordings,

1534
01:34:56,716 --> 01:35:00,732
which next up in line is Undisputed with Wesley Snipes, Fing Rhames,

1535
01:35:00,876 --> 01:35:04,732
Peter Falk. There's a lot of great character actors in that movie

1536
01:35:04,796 --> 01:35:08,620
that we'll get into when we talk about that. I'm not gonna

1537
01:35:08,700 --> 01:35:12,072
say if I like it or not yet, but it has a lot of good

1538
01:35:12,096 --> 01:35:15,380
actors in it. But I give it that. You know,

1539
01:35:18,240 --> 01:35:21,432
the Charlie Band, Empire produced

1540
01:35:21,576 --> 01:35:25,032
Arena, which I had more

1541
01:35:25,056 --> 01:35:28,648
fun with it, and Undisputed, and we'll talk about why when we get into

1542
01:35:28,704 --> 01:35:32,760
that. But it's. It was the first time watch for me and

1543
01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:35,860
it's kind of a blast, actually, you know, so there's that,

1544
01:35:37,770 --> 01:35:42,178
yeah, this show. There's stuff. There's stuff

1545
01:35:42,354 --> 01:35:44,110
that could be coming.

1546
01:35:45,130 --> 01:35:48,990
It depends on, you know, Suzanne and

1547
01:35:49,450 --> 01:35:53,058
X have been very busy with the holiday stuff, but that's winding down.

1548
01:35:53,114 --> 01:35:56,418
But he's always busy with. With writing for Biff Bam Pop

1549
01:35:56,474 --> 01:36:00,322
and other things. But we, we have scheduled shows that

1550
01:36:00,346 --> 01:36:03,910
are supposed to be coming eventually.

1551
01:36:04,820 --> 01:36:08,396
I'm trying to scroll back and find out what those shows work. I know the

1552
01:36:08,468 --> 01:36:11,932
Manitou and the Dark Half was gonna. Is gonna be

1553
01:36:11,956 --> 01:36:15,404
a show, those two things. And then

1554
01:36:15,492 --> 01:36:17,720
the other one was.

1555
01:36:19,060 --> 01:36:22,828
I'm gonna find this eventually. Yeah, I was gonna say, wasn't the Dark half

1556
01:36:22,884 --> 01:36:25,804
the first show that you did on my. My podcast,

1557
01:36:25,852 --> 01:36:29,228
Gary. I think it was. It sounds right.

1558
01:36:29,284 --> 01:36:32,734
And I found the other one. There's one. There's the dark half of the

1559
01:36:32,742 --> 01:36:35,770
Manitou and there is.

1560
01:36:36,710 --> 01:36:40,526
I remember one was Night wars and I think Dan Hagerty

1561
01:36:40,558 --> 01:36:43,118
is in that movie, I think. But it's.

1562
01:36:43,134 --> 01:36:46,718
It's this interesting low budget.

1563
01:36:46,814 --> 01:36:50,370
It's. It's not. I wouldn't call it a good movie in traditional sense,

1564
01:36:50,710 --> 01:36:53,210
but the, the whole idea of.

1565
01:36:54,470 --> 01:36:58,200
Damn. It's about people who went to Vietnam

1566
01:36:58,280 --> 01:37:02,120
and come home and somehow their friend

1567
01:37:02,160 --> 01:37:06,380
from Vietnam who was crazy. Yes, it's Night wars and Jacob's Ladder

1568
01:37:07,120 --> 01:37:10,952
somehow come back through his dreams and

1569
01:37:11,056 --> 01:37:14,856
somehow they can go into the dream and kill him. Like. Like I like.

1570
01:37:14,928 --> 01:37:18,104
Like Nightmare on Elm street again. It's real loose

1571
01:37:18,232 --> 01:37:21,752
and it's really stupid in parts. But I, I happen to enjoy this

1572
01:37:21,776 --> 01:37:25,268
film called Night wars. So I said I want to talk about it with somebody.

1573
01:37:25,364 --> 01:37:28,612
So it was either going to be this or with John Cross on the

1574
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shows we do together. Which. The next one. The diner

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where we are in the parade way.

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Michael Perret is the subject of those.

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One of those films we're doing into the sun with him

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and Anthony Michael Hall. And the VHS film

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01:37:47,660 --> 01:37:51,734
in question is. Now I'm gonna go John Cross's conversation

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because I should have been more prepared than this. But it's. Yes indeed.

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Oh oh. It. It is no Place to Hide which

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has Kris Kristofferson, Drew Barrymore, Martin Landau in

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it. It's like a. A cult thing where we're.

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01:38:07,062 --> 01:38:10,310
Drew Barrymore is a prostitute, I think and create

1585
01:38:10,350 --> 01:38:14,038
a. A beardless Chris Christopherson has to protect her from occultists

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and what. Yeah, yeah. This is the film that I have a laserdisc.

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And I said hey John, why not this movie? He said I have

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it on vhs. It was like a match made in heaven.

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You know, we both have it at the same movie on some

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dead media. So there's that. So that's the next

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01:38:31,490 --> 01:38:35,162
in the parade way which we. You'll find on the

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01:38:35,186 --> 01:38:38,586
after Movie Diner once it's released and once you record

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01:38:38,658 --> 01:38:42,468
it, which I think is gonna be next week. So lots

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of irons in the fire. I hope it's with. With at

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least X. Because like anybody

1596
01:38:49,732 --> 01:38:54,180
said that about his, his. His. His mother Suzanne

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01:38:54,260 --> 01:38:57,972
cannot go on the phone because she doesn't answer the phone sometimes and

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it's annoying.

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Party girl. But yeah, that's it for this one.

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I thank these. These amazing gentlemen for taking the time being. Being patient with

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me all this time again.

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Holiday shits are real, man. Yeah, I don't.

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01:39:16,032 --> 01:39:19,968
I. I don't like them, but not.

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01:39:20,024 --> 01:39:23,020
Many of us do, man. I don't think many of us do.

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But this is bad. The Sleep podcast, where if you've got beef,

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we've got the Grinder. See you next time. Bye. Bye.