Look, I am sick and tired of hearing about this goddamn sheriff. Hey Phil,
forget about this Sheriff. Just tell me what the hell are you trying to prove?
You saw his cellular structure. It's completely deranged. It's regenerating new
cells. The lattice is distorts beyond anything human. Oh shit. Come on.
You're jumping the gun and drawing conclusions before all the evidence
is in. So what's wrong with you? What are you talking about,
jumping the gun? What are you in such a hurry for? What are you afraid
somebody's gonna beat you to a new patent? Make some licensing arrangement with some chemical
company or something? Go fuck yourself, Phil. Don't give me
that shit. What is this crap? Stealing human bodies and tampering with
them for our own experiments? Look, Phil, tell me what you're trying to do.
What are you trying to do? Create a new breed of man. Superman. Physically invulnerable.
What about the higher functions? Rationality, thought, emotions.
Phil, listen to me, man. The mind is my field.
Now I thought I would never say this about a human being, but that sucker
is better off dead. Now either you terminate Kirby, or I'm gonna do it.
Who the hell do you think you're talking?
Do I have to remind you that I am your boss and
I will decide what happens in here and when. Not you.
Now get the fuck outta here. Hello folks.
Welcome to Cinema Beef podcast. I am one of your hosts, Gary Hill.
With me tonight is the guys you hear in Last call of
Torchies. That's not such a bad thing in my opinion.
One of those guys from. From north the border for
from. From both of us is the wonderful amazing
host of they Must Be Destroyed on Site podcast,
Mr. Lee Russell. How you doing, sir? I'm doing pretty good.
Just sitting here with. Ready to talk about the.
The exquisite acting of one Charles Norris.
So.
And last but certainly not least, the guy that
owns and operates the whole cinema degeneration,
you know, library circle
of shows, all of those things. Mr.
Cameron Scott. How you doing, sir? I'm doing great. I'm ready
to talk about some good old fashioned ground chuck.
100 ground chuck. The glasses two by
four.
She has all the subtlety and range of a 2x4.
You know, sometimes he does. Yes indeed. You know,
we'll go get into that. You know,
poor Flounder. Hey, we'll get into that. But I'll
start show the same way I always start the show. And I'll ask
Lee first what he's been watching. Yeah, all right.
So I feel like I'm just Gonna repeat what I was talking to Cameron
about here while you were, uh, not in the call yet,
but so I watched
a.
God, I gotta look up the name again because I'm gonna get it wrong
and that'd be really stupid of me.
The night of the following day from 1969,
it's a Marlon Brando and Richard Boone
crime movie. This is like,
I guess in the late 60s, Marlon Brando had started to like get fat.
And this is like after he got in shape again for
a little while before he finally just blew up during Godfather
and Apocalypse now and all those movies where he just got to be big fat
Brando. But, but he's in
shape. He's lean and mean. In this one, him and Richard Boone
are part of a crew of
kidnappers who kidnapped this rich
heiress played by Pamela Franklin.
And this is set in France. So they, they, they snatch her
at the airport and they take her to the French coastline and keep
her under wraps in a little cottage. And basically
they set up the ransom and the exchange for the money and stuff.
And while they're doing that, they just got to keep an eye on her.
And like everybody in the, in the kidnapping group has all their own different problems.
Like Richard Boone is secretly a psychopath.
Marlon Brando's having second thoughts about doing the job.
One of the people in their group is a drug addict and all kinds of
all the problems you don't need when you're trying to run
a kidnapping. So they're, they're all their problems
are coming to a head and it's basically just all
about like, when is the, when are they going to get found out?
Are they going to get caught? Because there's like this French policeman
who keeps wandering around the beach and keeps kind of showing up at
the exact wrong time. And so
it's very, very wrought with tension and suspense and
it's really well acted. As I was telling Cameron,
it's got a really bad ending tacked onto it at
the end that's like just head scratchingly bad. It's, it's a,
it's an ending that if you accept it undoes the entire
movie and you kind of, and it just kind of ruins
the experience. But there's, there's up
to. The movie gets up to a point where you, you can go,
okay, it ends there and you'll be fine with it. Like there's,
there's almost like two climaxes in, in the movie. There's like
the, the expected climax where it's like, okay, movie's over. This is
great. And then it tacks on that little ending that you can
just ignore the second time you watch the film if you want to. So for
me it didn't ruin the movie for me because I can always just re watch
this and stop in like five minutes before the actual run
time is over. And I'm good. But yeah,
really good movie. Now for
something really terrible. Paramount plus just put
out Section 31, which is their new Star
Trek movie. It's got Michelle Yeoh
in it and it's probably the worst thing I've seen her in. It has
nothing to do with her because Michelle yo is awesome of course,
but section 31 is terrible.
I don't know who greenlighted this piece of
but they should be fired because it's terrible.
It's obviously they were going to do a TV series and it really
shows in how this movie's done because they
set up so many like characters and like potential backstories
and stuff that they probably would have paid off in like a couple seasons
of television. But done here it just feels
really scattered brained and disconnected and it jumps from
thing to thing. The term I used
when I was telling Cameron about this is the movie's kind of zoomer brained,
I guess in that it's like just there's you know,
attention deficit disorder all around. This is what this
movie is for people who just can't focus on anything.
It's too cool for school. It's kind of, kind of incorporates
Suicide Squadish kind of stuff with like
Mission Impossible or Ocean's Eleven caper kind of stuff. And like that sounds
like that could be cool in the context of the Star Trek universe.
But it's not because it's done really badly.
It's just all style and no substance.
And also, and this is still.
It just bothers me. There's this head scratching character that
is in this that I don't
know if you know, if you remember, Gary, the original
Star Trek series, they had two aliens
in an episode once. One was played by, by Frank Gorshin.
You know, TV's the Riddler. Forget his name. Like the half
base guy, half black, half white face.
Okay, yeah. One of them is half white, half black and the other one's half
black, half white. And the whole episode was this
really boneheaded stupid analogy
for racism. Basically. It was just, it was like,
guess what guys? Racism bad. No kidding. And like that's one of those original
series episodes that everyone wants to forget because it
was just so badly done and so stupid. And so, like, just obviously
they have a character from that race brought
back into this movie. And I was again,
like, I was telling Cameron, it's like, you know, some things in the original series
are best left in the original series. You don't have to bring them
back as like a cute callback or a wink or anything like
that. Like, you can. I. I hated when the series
Star Trek Enterprise brought back the Gorn because. Because they made them
these weird CGI lizard men that really look terrible
on their own. And it's like, you know what? The Gorn were best
left in that dude in the lizard suit fighting Captain Kirk.
You didn't have to go any further. I mean, they're almost forgetting the point of,
of the United Federation of Planets. It is about,
you know, uniting the planets and uniting the races, uniting the
species, you know, and it goes way back to,
you know, before I was alive, this idea.
You know, I don't know why they're gonna shove it in your face.
I guess for the sake of wokeness, I guess. But it's not. I don't even
think it's a woke thing. I just think some dumbass who was writing
this thought it would be a cute in joke to like have
one of those, One of the characters, one of the people from that race
show up in this modern series. And it's like, I don't
need to see that. It was kind of like when they did Deep Space Nine
and they brought back the. They integrated the old footage from the original
TV show to bring back the tribbles.
Well, you see. Okay, I'll disagree
with you because, yeah, that, that episode was excellent. And they
actually brought back. And I forget his name,
but we talked about. I just did an episode of my podcast where we talked
about the monolith monsters and one of the actors in that was the guy
who played the surgically altered Klingon in the Trouble
with Tribbles. And that guy did not age at all because they
brought, they brought him back for the Deep Space Nine episode as well.
And it was, it was hella cool. But yeah,
some stuff is just left best,
you know, just best left in the original series. It's just, you know, you don't
need to see it again. Yeah, that's a
shame too, because, you know, the, the Star Trek output that they've been putting
out, it has been top notch. They've write
some smart Easter eggs and some of these things and people like,
oh, yeah, there it is. And that was, that was, that was very smartly done.
Like you said it's lazy writing right there. And I,
you would see with somebody like Michelle yo and I was just,
I just saw the ad for it when I opened IMDb. She's looking like a
boss man. How old she
is now, but she's got to be in her 60s. But, but you know,
to have that person, you know, lead a show,
you can't. And it's a movie, right? You said a movie. Yeah,
it's a movie. Yeah. Maybe they were trying to make it a series and
I don't see they could try too hard not to make it a series if.
Unless the parties involved weren't that into it. I, I couldn't
tell you. I think originally for if,
what I understand was Michelle yo wanted to come back and play that character
because it was like a character that was introduced in Star
Trek Discovery, I guess. And she played in that for quite a while.
Okay. But she wanted to like, you know, hey,
let's do a spin off series with this character. That'd be really cool.
And for a while they were behind that. But then they decided to go in
different directions. They did, you know, strange new worlds and they did the lower
decks and stuff like that. And they just decided, you know what,
we're not going to do a series. But we'll still, we'll still run with this
just for the hell of it, I guess. But they made it a TV movie
instead. And it's obvious to me that it feels like
a really chopped down version of like their pilot or
something like their two part pilot that they would probably do if it was a
series. They chopped it down into an hour and a half movie
and it just, it just looks like that, it just looks like
something that's had a bunch of appendages cut off and a
bunch of things that are going nowhere that would go somewhere if there was a
series to back it, but there's not going to be a series to back it.
So it's just kind of like left dangling. Like why did you do
all this work? Just for, for one. A one off.
Yeah, like I stone Cameron. It's literally
the worst thing I've ever seen. With Star Trek put
on its branded on it. It's, it's just, it's bad. It's really bad.
Makes me sad, you know, but yo deserves better.
Yeah. Yep. Hey, genre actress. Anyway, that, that show,
those, you know, later Trek shows were built on genre actors.
I mean look at our man Jeffrey Combs who's played,
I don't know, 25 aliens at some Point in time on those shows.
Yeah. You know, they always talked about it.
He's like, Tony, you can't talk to Tony Todd now. But we talked to him
about his, his Trek experience. He's another one. Just.
There's nothing positivity about it. You know,
the fact they got Michelle Yoda to say, hey, we're gonna do the starring
vehicle for you. If you can't do that and
do it right, you know, with that person. I question
the showrunners. And as that sense, I mean,
them. Putting it on Paramount plus like this as a TV movie just.
Just tells me that they wanted to bury it as quickly as possible.
Yeah, they knew it wasn't good and they wanted to bury it,
which is also baffling because this is,
you know, within the same like parent companies and stuff that
will totally film an entire movie and then just
ax the thing and show it to nobody. But they'll
stick this on their Paramount plus. Okay. Oh,
they're all doing that now. Yeah, Warner is all those people. You know,
eventually we may see that bad girl movie,
but you know, you make a whole movie that I don't know what it costs,
but I had to be a pretty penny and say, you're not gonna watch this
now. It just, it just, it just goes. Yeah, it just,
it just goes to show like a
lot of movies, you know, to talk about movies failing and stuff like that.
Like they didn't make the returns in their initial release and stuff that they're hoping
for yet they can write off some movies as just a tax write
off. Like a hundred million dollar movie is a tax write off or whatever.
It's like you. We can afford to lose $150 million.
To hell with you all y'all. Yeah,
yeah, that's me. Yeah.
Sir Lee. Go ahead, Cameron. I've been.
Haven't had a whole lot of time to watch a whole lot of movies,
but I have gone to theaters twice in the last couple weeks.
I saw the newest public
domain kind of ripoff movie, I guess you would call
it. Although I kind of enjoy a lot of these lower level
movies. I went to go see Peter Pan's Neverland Nightmare.
Nice. And there was like five other people in the theater, which was like
kind of telling how much they promoted this movie because I don't think
anybody knew it was out. But it, you know,
it. I'll say this, it was, in short,
without ruining a whole lot. It was a. It was better than the Winnie the
Pooh movies. It was better than some of the, the like The Three Blind Mice
and the Bamb, you know, retreads that they've
been doing. I kind of like that they brought Peter
Pan like into the realm of reality where he
thinks he's mystical, but like he, he's really not.
And that's all I'll kind of say on that.
There's, you know, like the pixie dust is not pixie dust.
Just, just heroin, you know.
But you know, it was, it was bloody, it was gory, it was low
budget, it was shot, it was shot really well. There was an
inexplicable bus full of kids that
just get mutilated and, and murdered.
It's just kind of like I'm surprised they went there,
but I'm kind of glad they did in a manner of speaking. I don't that
says about my moral compass at all, but.
But them kids anyway.
But you know, it was like I said, it was bloody, it was gory,
the, the body count was high. It was, it was just a good old piece
of modern day exploitation trash. And I
kind of, I kind of enjoyed it, you know, I mean I didn't love it,
but I liked it. But what I did just see yesterday
was the new Wolf Man. And I gotta say,
for a movie that has not done well and I've over heard like overwhelmingly
bad things about, I really, really enjoyed.
I know like a lot of people don't. Didn't like Leigh Whannell's
previous movie, the, the. The Invisible man, which I also thought was
really, really good. It puts a new, you know, this isn't your grandpa's,
you know, Wolf Man. That isn't your universal monsters. Wolf Man.
This isn't, you know, again, I know I feel like I'm advocating for a
remake, which is usually not my forte, but I like
the transformation scenes and kind of some point of view shots that are
done in, in it. It's shot really well, albeit it's really dark in
some places. So it kind of, you know, I have bad
eyes. So it was this. I spelled myself squinting through most of it to try
to like see what the hell was going on. I like the general
overall transformation of the Wolf Man.
I didn't enjoy the final look of him,
if that makes sense at all. You know, like the, where they, where they
started was one thing, but where they ended up was another. Like I was talking
with, you know, Lee before we, we came on the air,
you know, like we were. I watched a couple other werewolf movies.
Not by really choice, just by almost kind of accident, I watched
that werewolves With Frank Grillo, you know,
and that, that was more of it, like, let's face it, that was more like,
you know, as Lee and I were discussing. That was like the Purge. But we're
werewolves. Yeah. You know, but it was still good. It was actually,
you know, it had a lot of, you know, blow them up, shoot them up,
action. But I kind of agree. Frank Grillo needs to, needs to,
you know, pick a lane and run with it, I think.
Yeah, just he's better in, like,
small, like, crime films and stuff like that where
he doesn't have to, he doesn't have to possibly break
his hip doing action scenes. I mean, he still looks great for a guy who's
like 60 now, but, like, come on.
Yeah, yeah, I agree. And for stuff that I've kind
of retreaded because I do a lot of re watches in the last couple of
weeks, I've decided to revisit the entire From Dustal
dawn series. And I,
I realized that those movies steadily got worse because
I hadn't watched the second or third one in many, many years. Although the
first one, the original, you know, I revisit quite often. I love,
you know, from Dustel Dawn, I think dustel dawn 2
blood money, you know, is a good, it's kind of
like a good crime caper. It's a good crime thriller. Just,
just happens to have vampires in it. Yeah. And the
third one, gosh, man, poor Michael
Parks, you know, rest in peace, man. But that man deserved
much better than what he was given in,
you know, dustel dawn 3, which I think was called the Hangman's Daughter, which is,
you know. Is that the one with Bon Jovi?
No, that's the vampire sequel.
Oh, that's right. John Carpenter's vampires. Yeah.
Imagine me mixing those up. Because.
But, but yeah, the one with Michael Parks where he play,
like, Ambrose Beers or whatever. Yes. Yeah,
yeah. I mean, he's great in it, but like, you know,
when you have a cast like that that has Rebecca Gayhart in it and Danny
Trejo and Orlando Jones in it, it's just like,
who was charge of casting that movie? I, I,
I want to talk to them and just like shows on the doll where they
hurt you. Because this, this is just not
good. But, you know, I enjoy him as a trilogy, you know, all together,
that they're, they're all right. But third one, I can
be quite honest, I can just live without that. The second one's a lot of
fun. I mean, Scott Spiegel directed it, so it's, you Know, he's part of the
Roommate, not Romero crew, the Raimi crew,
you know, so it's definitely got, you know, some of those kind of tropes in
it with the wacky camera work and the Bruce Campbell cameo,
but that one's a fun movie. But in
defense of Orlando Jones, you know, as a comedic presence,
I've always liked him. It's like a horror presence.
It's kind of like, you know, in Defense of Dougie Doug, when he
shows up in comedy stuff, I like it a lot. But when he shows me
Dr. Giggles, not so much. Okay.
It's just like looking at my watch. When are you gonna die, man? When are
you gonna die? Oh, look, hopefully soon. Hopefully soon. Yeah. Especially when Larry
Drake's funny enough in that film. So, yeah, you didn't
need any more comic relief in that movie. Larry Drake was enough. But,
yeah, that's pretty much all I've been watching. I did start watching
Monarch. Oh, yeah. The Godzilla show, with which
I was disappointed in the first two episodes because my man Kurt Russell
does not show up. He's like. It's elicit as being in every episode. I feel
like that was a bait and switch. But when he shows up in episode three,
that's when things start getting good. Yeah,
I watched some of that and dropped it, but I liked it. It's just
some. I really. It takes a lot for me to get into a
TV show these days. It's just like, yeah, same, same.
But yeah, that's really all I've been watching, man.
Cool. Yeah, not a lot on my end either, because it
did so Lost. I've done one of these, so it's hard to say, hey,
I watched this recently, so I'll tell
you a couple of things. I rewatched
Dudes for one thing, which I don't want to get too far into, Dudes,
because I. One day I want to do that movie. Wait, like Daniel Roebuck,
John Crier, dudes? Yes. Okay. Because I
have a lot of fun with that movie. And if you guys don't know,
they call it a punk rock western, It's. I got two mentioned before.
Flea is in this movie for a hot second. Not going to give that away.
Leaving. And of course, the ageless Catherine.
Mary Stewart is in that movie doing some Annie Oakley
with the gun and stuff. And, you know,
it's just a fun movie about two friends looking for their friend's killer.
And, you know, it. It gets. It gets oddly
Native American esque. So if you're offended by the slightest goopy
Thing Danny Roebuck has a vision quest. He becomes partial Native
American for some reason. This movie, I couldn't tell you. But you know what?
It begins good and it ends good. And there's a cat in my lap right
now. Get down Duchess As
a kick ass soundtrack too. I gotta say, dudes. Yeah.
If you're going for anything,
those performers working their ass off and that dude soundtrack
is a lot of fun.
And what else? I watch Grafted today
because that's a new movie that's on Shutter. Oh yeah. I gotta say
it's from New Zealand. This is a film,
a body horror film that is better than the substance and the substance is
getting all the love. And this film is not getting as much love
as I think it should because. And it was brand new and everything,
but I, I thought his execution was incredible.
And here's a cat grafted.
It's a graph I feel about a
girl who, Asian girl, moves in New Zealand and she,
her father did weird like experiments with skin.
So she kind of carries on and she like, she's picked on.
So of course she becomes beautiful and then the body horse stuff
kicks in and then, you know, it's like. Yeah, it gets
pretty wild. And I don't recommend everything that's on Shutter,
of course. But yeah, this, this is, this is worth your time. I think.
I, I had a, I had a pretty good time with it.
Cool.
Besides that, you know, football and,
and you know, whatever I can watch at work basically because
I, I work overnights every night and I,
I watch a lot of movies at work and I couldn't tell you what all
those are, but yeah, I have, I have podcasting assignments
to do. So if you like that in the Parade
way stuff, me and John Cross, I know those are coming very soon, but on
the diner this time. So if you guys have not subscribed to both,
please subscribe to all of our programs and the After Movie Diner
as well, you know.
Yeah, that's about it for me today. Tonight we're
here to talk about Chuck Norris as, as implemented in the
first, uh, segment of the show in two
films where we're. We already did Hero, Hero of the Tear,
so. But these, these are two films in which Chuck
fights somebody who's either on or has.
Makes them like subhumanly strong or something.
And those two films could take great genre actors,
especially the first one, Force of1 from 1979
and silent rage from 82, I believe it is.
Yep. A few years later. Okay.
And we'll get into a Force of one. Right.
This trailer. And now,
from Guerrilla Pictures and American Cinema releasing
a special movie presentation.
A Force of One.
What happened? Forces Jennifer O'Neal into black belt action
with Chuck Norris, Phil Wallace, Clue Gallagher,
Ron O'Neill and one whole city's police force. One of them can
stand 10ft away. And dust him off with a piece, Right? Unless the killer
hit before they saw him. I mean, an expert in martial arts.
Hand to hand combat. Somebody who kill with their bare hands.
And not leave a mark.
A force of one. It starts with a routine search.
It ends with a trail of bodies.
Smack. We got coke. We got uppers.
We got donners. We got acid. We got pot. We got angel dust.
We got it. I think some guy was falling. The junkies
are having a field day and the cops are out in force.
But in this business, you need eyes in the back of your head.
The bruises is so deep that there was internal hemorrhage. In other words,
they strangled in their own blood. Lieutenant, there's an epidemic going on.
Whoever did this.
Is as good as dead.
The whole essence of what we do. Is a philosophy
of discipline. A force of one. A blue
steel force that beats out the bad guy's guns and
knives.
A force of one. He's got to make his next shot,
his best shot. Because he doesn't get another chance.
A force of one. He hears the silence.
He sees the darkness. He's the only one
who can stop the killing. Jennifer O'Neal. Chuck Norris
in A Force of One.
A Force of One from 1979.
This is directed by Paul Aaron who time work
really didn't give us a whole lot of. His big claim to fame was
the TV movie Meow.
Yes, the miracle worker for from the 70s.
Oh yeah. Okay. Yeah.
And he gave us a deadly force with the great wings Hauser.
Speaking of John Crier, Morgan Stewart's Coming Home. He's in that movie.
He's that movie too. And that's about the highlights of this man's career and
this, this genre picture right here starring
Chuck Norris, of course, as Matt Logan.
Great Canadian import. I think she's Canadian,
right? Leave another mistaken. Jennifer O'Neill. Is she Canadian?
I'm not 100. Sure. She's. She's in Cronenberg
stuff, right? She is, yeah. She was
in Scanners, right? Yeah, she was in
a Fulci job too. Now since she's Brazilian
American. Oh, okay, fair enough.
Yeah, she plays in Scanners and
some other good stuff. Yeah, Genrectors keep kicking.
Clue Gulagar has done your police chief of this
movie. Superfly himself Ron O'Neill as Rollins
Bill the great Bill Superfoot Wallace
as Sparks. These are crazy. Yeah, we'll get into him in a
minute. A great tournament, great kickboxing tournament fighter.
Eric Lenoville as Charlie LOGAN James
Whitmore Jr. As Moscowitz Richie Melrose Pepe
Serna as Orlando.
Well, we'll go into some of the cases. Somebody's so called Choo Choo
Malai. And this movie is wild. Also the
great Charles Cypress for a hot second. The late Charles Cypress.
Yeah. So we love, we love some Charles Cypress on
the show for sure. But your chief of plot synopsis
of this is with detectives of an undercover you police unit
are mysteriously killed by a martial artist. A professional kickboxer
is hired to do a system and train them, I guess.
Oh my gosh, we use the term training here
lightly. Yeah, oh yeah, definitely. He kind
of, he kind of sits there and watches them slowly do karate and
it's like, okay, you guys are. Not very good at this.
So I'm just gonna watch you guys try to, try to do it, you know?
Yeah.
Yeah, we'll get into this now. Camera. Your thoughts or your initial
thoughts are. Well, thoughts on, like.
I remember catching this one later in the 80s. It was not one that
I caught like initially when it came out in 79 or
even a few years after because I was like three, four years old.
I, I'm more in tune with our second movie, Silent Rage that we're
going to be talking about. But like, I always look at this as lower level
Chuck. To be quite honest. I, I was really a big fan
of like Force, Vengeance and Mission Missing in action and
whatnot. So this is one that I hadn't watched in a long time and I
didn't watch much over the years. I actually liked it a lot better this
time around. I probably hadn't watched it in 15 years. I bet you
at least you know, it's exploitation.
It's 110 exploitation. It's got Ron
O'Neill in it. I mean, Clue Goulager. I mean like. And how
do, how do you not like this movie? How did I not like it in
the beginning? I don't, I'll never know. But.
Well, I know because it's, you know, got some lame moments,
but like some of the twists and turns, you know, we're not so twisty and
not so turny and like, I kind of guessed what was coming along when I
first watched it, even as the young chap. But you know,
generally it's Like, I know a lot of people consider it
top tier Chuck. I can kind of consider it lower level,
mid tier Chuck, if that makes sense. You know,
but it's got a great cast, it's good exploitation.
It's a fun bad. It's a fun bad movie.
And you know, like I said, I, I didn't think much of it when I
was, when it was younger. But you know, now that I'm an older adult,
I kind of like it a bit. I gotta get this one on the,
like a Blu Ray or something. Somebody had to put this out. I'm sure Vinegar
Syndrome, Severin has got a special edition
out there that's, you know, probably costs 125 or something like
that. But yeah, I mean it's, it's a good.
Who done it with not being too good on concealing
who the. Who did it. But you know,
it's, but it's the. My biggest problem with this movie,
I have to say, is very light on the Chuck action.
There's not a whole lot going on for him to do besides
watching bad cops do worse karate.
I mean, am I right? Yeah,
yeah, that's, that's, that's my initial interpretations of this
movie. Fine. But Lee.
Man, I, I'd like to meet the people who think this is
top tier Chuck, because it sure the ain't.
This is like his third film, I think at this
point. Like, like third. To have him as like the
star basically. Right. Like he had done small roles and stuff.
Lee had done Breaker Breaker and Good Guys Wear Black previous.
Yeah, yeah. And like you said,
Cam, he's barely in this movie. Like he, like there's a good
portion of this movie that's just following our squad of cops,
like paired off in different teams and, and the like,
like trying to solve this crime.
This feels like a TV movie.
Exactly. I felt like this movie was very flat in its
like, production. And it felt like, you know, we have
all these good character actors. Like, like you said that,
you know, immediately jumped out at me. I was like, oh, there's Superfly,
there's Clue, Gallagher. Like lots of cool actors in this.
It feels like, hey, here's the, here's the pilot movie
for our TV series that's going to be about Chuck Norris
being a karate instructor who helps this squad of
cops solve crimes every week. That's what it felt like to me because
there's just like, I don't know, the karate in this is very
flat. Like it's not, it's. There's. It's the difference between
authentic looking karate stuff, which you do get in this,
but that end stuff that looks good on,
on camera for like an action move.
Yeah, big difference. Big difference there. Yeah, because the karate guy is
like, he's taking these cops out and like murdering them,
but he barely does anything to them that you can really see on screen.
Like, he kind of chokes one or two of them, hits one or two of
them in a special spot or whatever. But it's not like,
it's not super brutal for the most, most of
the killings in this. There's,
there's like one or two exceptions where it's like, oh. But for
the most part, it's like the karate doesn't look that great. Chuck Norris
is his usual wooden self. So I, I don't, you know,
either you can vibe with Chuck or you can't.
It's one thing or another. Right? I didn't hate
this though. Like, I, I don't think it's like a terrible movie or anything.
I, I, it just feels like kind of every,
like, TV movie that involves cops from this,
this period kind of thing. And it's got a really good score. I'll give it
that. Like, Dick Halligan, who did the Octagon as
well, does the score for this. It's got like a really Funky,
like kind of 70s cop score going on that I thought was really
good. And there's, you know, we'll probably get into
it as we talk about and there's, there's other stuff that I, I thought was
pretty good in this. But yeah, it's, it's, it's a little lower
to your Chuck stuff. It's, it's a little bland in
a, typical of a, of a production with Chuck Norris.
He's surrounded by really great actors who,
you know, at least elevate it and keep it moving while Chuck just,
you know, stands still and once in a while hit somebody and,
and yeah, that's, that's kind of what's going on here. I, I wasn't wowed by
it or anything. I didn't hate it. But yeah,
it's a fair. Chuck told him, told the, the policeman played by Cleveland
Clue, Google that. You know what? He's got this tournament. He's getting ready for us.
He, he ain't got time for this. So. Yeah, he didn't have time
for a training montage with these officers that, to show you on the film.
It just, it was, wasn't gonna happen, you know?
Yeah, yeah. And I felt like in this movie they must not have
trusted his star status because, like, he didn't even have top billing.
No, I mean, Jennifer O'Neill. I mean, literally had top
billing. As well she should have. She was in more of the movie than Chuck.
Yeah, she was the big star in this, like,
at the time, you know,
I mean, I, I love me some. I love me
some Ron O'Neill, but he was,
to be honest, he was never, like a big name,
like, like even, you know, Jennifer O'Neill
or Clue Gallagher were around, around this point.
No, you know, he got super fly,
but that's about it. Like, every, Everything he's,
it's, it's the sad thing. It's just like, Richard Roundtree.
Richard Roundtree was in a ton of. But rarely
was he, like, the big star. Like he was in Shaft. Right,
right, right. Full,
full moon love here. Ron O'Neal was in Police
Police Puppet Master 5 as detective.
Oh, that's right. He was, wasn't he? I don't even know. I just,
I saw, like. What else was he in? Oh,
I got, I gotta look now because I'm curious. I mean, there's this, there's the
sequel to Superfly, then there's the second sequel to Superfly,
which is not good.
Yeah. Oh, this is wonderfully bad. He's in a film called Trained to
kill from 1985.
No. Oh, Robert Zidar's in this movie we just talked about. Henry Silver,
this movie. Chuck Connors. I may have to watch this movie because,
you know,
it's a cast. Yeah, yeah. This Bill, though, I, I,
I, it wanted to be so much bigger than it was.
It's basically about, you know, there's. There's a guy
killing. Killing people, including undercover police
officers with martial arts.
He's literally chopping them in the neck and they fall over, which is a major
problem for this film because you got Chuck Norris in this movie,
you got Bill Superfoot Wallace, who at this
point, were amazing tactical tournament fighters.
You know, kickboxing, your champions, you know, but the,
you're seeing on screen, especially, you know, their fight at the end
is just looking sloppy as. It's looking sloppy as fuck,
but. Because a small, small thing, in my opinion,
but, yeah, sloppier than, you know. Charles Bronson's footwork
and times. Right. Yeah.
But you pick this guy out. You pick, you pick a super foot out.
You know what Chuck did? He. I think he met him at a tournament or
at a gym or something is how the relationship began.
And you put him in your movie and he's not an actor.
So he's just this wooden guy who, you know, much like the guy
in our next movie, he's just kind of like. This guy doesn't say anything.
He just kind, kind of stands there, who's supposed to be, you know,
this ace martial artist who. Who happens to be
addicted to drugs, which I love the fact that they. They play
out with Clue Gulagar there. Like, you're not going to realize that it's him at
the end trying to chuck over by saying, hey, look at all these
drugs we have at the police station. We're gonna destroy these right away.
Yeah, we're going to dispose of
these. Yeah, wink, wink.
But, yeah, I like the idea of, like, you know, because this is. This is
the late 70s, since this is the time of, you know, one of the
bigger drug booms, where this guy who's clearly on,
like, crystal meth or whatever the hell he's on
is having this insane strength because I've seen people on these
drugs before. I've seen some guy get stabbed in a leg and just
keep coming after somebody like you're Michael Myers or something.
So the fact that he could literally feel no pain, you know, because he's
on this drug being this. Just killing cops,
I like that. The idea of this, not the killing cops, partly, but the fact
that he. He becomes a deadly weapon when he's high on drugs.
And yeah, he can. He can choke someone to death in like three seconds.
It's like, amazing. Yes, indeed. Right?
I guess if he knows the right pressure points. Because, you know,
as I learned from three ninjas, there are pressure points on the body where you
can just take Professor. Professor Turu Tanaka
down, no problem if you're 10 years old.
Let's light this fat boy up. You know, one day I'm gonna do those movies
with somebody. Because that third one, again, it contains
many genre actors that you love and, you know, for no reason
at all. Like Charles Napiers in that movie and Don Stark
and, you know, random people in that movie. You know.
Back to this, though. Yeah. Like you guys said, Chuck's barely in it,
though. And, you know, much like his character, I guess he didn't have time
for it because he didn't want to trade these officers. And I love
the German title, dear. Bulldozer is
the title in Germany. I saw that.
Apparently the Bulldozer did not have time to act
in this movie, which I wouldn't call what he's doing now acting. But if
you watch like Breaker Breaker, which is one of
his, you know, Debut starring roles.
He's got much more to do in that movie and does it well
than he does in this movie. Yeah, it's just.
It just he looks like. Like in this movie he looks like Howard
Hessman. Like, he's just. He's. He's much more shaggy Chuck
Norris. He's got the. He's got the longer hair and,
and he just. He looks like a dork.
He looks like a slightly more buff Dr. Johnny fever.
Yeah. His mom put the bowl on
his head and cut his hair for him. He's looking real, you know. Yeah,
yeah. Now you look like a real boy. Yeah. And, you know,
to try to humanize him, they've got this whole subplot where he's got
an adopted son and who. Who was
like, addicted to drugs or some at some point and.
Or his mother was a junkie. I can't remember which one it was. But.
But he took him in and he's training him and eventually you
do have like the, the moment. Like the moment where this
movie just decides to actually go hardcore for like two
seconds. And Bill Wallace, like,
murders. Straight up murders, Chuck Norris's
adopted son or whatever. Right.
Which is. Do they say
he's adopted? I don't remember if he said he was adopted or not, which is,
you know. Yeah, well, I mean, he took into custody
under custody of Chuck Norris or whatever. Yeah. Anyway. Right.
But. But yeah, like, it takes something
like that to get even the slightest emotion of the Chuck
Norris in this movie, which is amazing.
You know, it's either that or just the fact that
these hard drugs are in our streets. So that, you know, that maybe
raises the. The cankles of
Chuck Norris a teeny bit. But it takes.
Yeah, but, but, you know, it. It flat out takes
having his. His de facto son murdered
by the main bad guy for him to give a. To want to like,
go after him and stuff. So, yeah, it's.
It's. It's a little. It takes its. It's really pushing
it. Right. The clues, like.
Well, I guess he was pumped full of drugs and I guess she's dead now.
You know, it was there.
Was there any. I forget, like last week I watched this movie.
Was there an implication that he was addicted to drugs before. Before Chuck
got to him? Yeah, I think there was something about how he had been
taking drugs or something and he. And he cleaned them up with martial arts,
basically. It was like martial arts is what is keeping them on the right track
and keeping them clean and all that. And so. Yeah, because he even said Something
to the effect he's been clean for years. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah. So, like, you know, it's. It's. It's.
I can see. I can kind of see why Chuck took the role,
even though he doesn't really do much in the film, because it's trying to,
like. It's trying to capitalize on,
like, oh, karate and martial arts is, like, kind of big in pop culture
around this time. It's. It's trying to,
like, put a positive spin on it, on how it can be, like,
really good for you. And. And I can always. I can, you know, definitely believe
Chuck was big into promoting that message,
which this movie tries to do. But, you know, it also has the message
that, hey, some karate people take lots of drugs and murder people.
Right? Yeah, it definitely falls in that gray area.
It's like, yeah, you know, it's not white or black. It's.
There's definitely some gray areas there. Yeah,
it needed extended PSA at the end of it. Like. Like Steven
Seagal. Have a fire down below now, you know, big oil company
is bad. You know that, right? You know? Yeah, it does.
Drugs are bad. It'll make kids want to kill people and kill
each other and, you know, you shouldn't do drugs. Okay. And by
the way, support border. Border control, you know. Do you know I'm an honorary
Cajun, also a
cop. He's an honorary Cajun. Jean Claude Van
Damme's an honorary occasion, you know,
and he needs to be said. Yeah, yeah,
yeah. I wouldn't argue with Wolford Brimley on that one.
Yeah. Oh, no, no. He went full bore.
If you ever see the film. A question, Hard target. This is a John Woo
directed film, but you can get both versions on Blur, which is great.
The John Woo cut and the Jean Claude Van Damme cut.
Wiffer really plays Uncle Duvet in the movie, which is Jacques
Club, Van Damme's Cajun uncle who rides a horse with a bow and
arrow. And, you know, you believe that he's Cajun.
Okay. No. Do not spill the moonshine. They kill the grass.
I got me a spot of diabetes.
I still won't eat those Quaker oats, though. Man,
that.
Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Force someone. You're fine.
Yeah. Like I said, the guy's in his top tier truck, though. I think they
might have slept on it a little bit and said, hey, you know,
I. I think that, you know, I'm glad this is Chuck that I saw,
you know, that I didn't see before, because I did. I didn't
know that. I seen the poster many, many times, you know,
a semi new Chuck sitting in a triangle,
you know. But yeah, the shit's real sloppy and
the red herrings are really red in this movie.
And I, I know that,
you know, Bill Superfoot Wallace is not an actor,
but at least you know, when you choreograph this, Aaron Norris
and Chuck Norris make it look good,
you know. Yeah, it just looked bad. You know,
Bill Wallace is kind of good though, in this as the bad guy. Like he's
a real slime ball, like when he comes to that party or whatever and he
starts hitting on. On Chuck's date or whatever. And yeah,
he's pretty good at that. He's good at playing like a. A jock,
which is probably what he is in real life. So. You know,
the funny thing is I always used to get this movie mixed up with the
Octagon, to be honest with you. Same. Well, I mean, a lot of the same
people worked on the Octagon, worked on this as well. I guess it was
kind of like a one, two punch kind of thing.
So like, like I said, the same guy who did the score for this,
did the score for the Octagon. I think there's like some writers involved that are
the same and like that. So it's.
But yeah, I can see how you get it mixed too because that, that poster,
that poster is super cool. And it's like I could. Even though he's in a
triangle or whatever, you could still believe. Yeah. This is a movie called the Octagon.
Yeah, right. Yeah. You know, because they don't know. What if they don't
know much about, you know, choreographing fights? Where are they going to know about shapes
and sizes and triangles and. Exactly.
Yeah. Chuck Norris wasn't paying attention in math class.
He wasn't looking at octagons and triangles and.
Hey, Chuck knows John. I don't want to hear their about it. Okay? Come on.
Oh, okay. No, see this,
this is what love my mind about this thing because they really were
trying for something because this guy, Ernest Tyreman,
who, who I guess wrote the screenplay, wrote the French Connection,
High Plains Drifter, the Shaft
later sequels, which I enjoyed those later Shaft
sequels of the Samuel Jackson ones.
Oh, right, right, right. Yeah.
Because they're all connected if you guys didn't know any. But the Shaft universe.
Yeah, yeah. Did he also write
on the tv, TV series.
There was a Shaft TV series and. It was terrible scrolling here.
Yeah, this is a stroller Shaft
wrote the novel and a Screenplay, apparently. Yeah.
So I think. I think it's like a, you know, character created by credit
and everything. There were seven episodes of the Shaft TV series.
It's bad. It's really bad. I did not know until today
that there was a Shaft TV series. You don't need to watch it.
Please don't do it. Stark also CL in
one episode, so there's that, you know,
he reprised. Yeah, here you go. Robert Culp in
one episode. A lot of one episode, guys in here. It's like it's Shaft.
And whoever shows up on here, Richard J. Cole.
So this is filled with gray genre actors. It's just Michael
Ansara. That's the guy from Slap Shot, right? Isn't it?
I am wrong about that. He's in the Manitou, apparently.
Oh, yeah, yeah. It's John Singing Rock.
Yeah. Okay. I'm good.
Manitou's wild.
Coming soon. This should be podcast, by the way. The Manitou.
Yeah, it's. It's. It wants to be so good.
It is trying so hard to be good. And that's what's frustrating
about a force of One to me. You know,
you need a little more meat on them Chuck Bones. And, you know,
I think you put that. You put some. That soup bone in
the water a little too long, you know, try to make a fine
broth with that soup bone. And it's just.
Yeah.
A fine Chuck broth, if you will. You know, you feed
it to your senior dog and he. He. His bones feel better. Okay.
You know, because of the Merrell and such.
Oh, my gosh. Any final thoughts out of Force of One,
Cameron? Watch Silent Rage instead.
It's. It's an all right movie. It's not the worst
Chuck's ever done. It's definitely not the best Chuck's ever done.
It's just. It's just kind of mid, as the kids would say.
Do the kids still say that? I don't know. I don't give a.
They still do. Yeah. But, yeah, it's just kind of
mid, man. It's just. It was kind of underwhelming. I like it.
Like I said, I like it a lot more now than I did when I
was younger. When I was younger, I didn't give a. About this.
I was all about invasion USA and lone wolf, McQuaid and silent
rage and bigger and better movies. But yeah,
I mean, like, should you buy it? Probably not.
You know, should you stream it somewhere? If you can stream it on any service
that you already are paying for? Definitely don't pay for it,
I would. That's my final thoughts. Fair enough. Fair enough,
Lee. Pretty sure I watch this on YouTube.
If you find it on YouTube and you're not busy and
you want to kill an hour and a half or whatever, go to it.
It. It's not gonna hurt you none. It's very
kind of listless and bland in most of the running
time. There's a couple bright spots. You know, the. Some of
the fighting stuff is okay, even though, as we mentioned, it doesn't quite
work and there's not. I can't believe I'm saying this, but there's not enough Chuck
in. In this. In this film. Like, I wanted more Chuck, even though he's not
really doing anything. So, you know,
it just. Just go into it with, you know,
lowered expectations. Like, it's. It's kind of a TV movie that has a
couple of more cinematic,
like hardcore stuff in it, but not a lot. And it's.
Yeah, it's. It's just kind of. It's. It's there. It's. It's really like lower
middle of the pack. Chuck Norris stuff. Like, I've seen a lot worse from Chuck
Norris, let's put it that way. But yeah, definitely.
Yeah. Yeah, this is fine.
Again, like I said, not. Not top tier. And by the way, the special edition
of this is put up by Keener Lorber Classic. So it's
a recent one and it's currently sitting at 21
something on Amazon right now.
Brand new 2K Master, which is a very dark film. So that would
really be to its detriment.
New audio commentary. Film historians Brandon. Brandon Bentley
and Mike Leader. Audio commentary with director Paul Aaron
making up 15 minutes, 26 seconds. TV spots,
radio spots, all that stuff. Again,
if you get it again, Kino always has a sale. So if you get
that half price, Kino say hit that sweet spot and you get it
for like 10 bucks. I say get it, you know, if you're a Chuck completist,
but, you know, if not, you know, streaming on YouTube like Lee
said, and make your own choice. And I mean, I think I streamed it.
It was on Pluto tv. Yep, yep.
Which, you know, again, another free service, so don't spend money on free
service. I've been living on that, that Twilight Zone channel they
recently added. I. I wish it had all
the zones on there. I would love to see some 80s twilight zones on there.
Yeah, yeah, those are hard to find on dvd,
but yeah, force was fine. It tried.
It tries to say something about the drug, the drug trade
in the 70s, but you
really don't get a whole lot here.
One scene I forgot to mention is again
scenes. The love of this movie is the scene where Chuck
learns all of a sudden about, about team prostitution the hard way. Oh yeah,
right. It just beats the out of the pimp. That's a good
scene. Yeah, it's like Chuck Norris walked into an after
School special is what this movie is,
huh? Yeah, it is, it is. It's like Schoolhouse Rocks, man.
This is what we're doing this for. Do you see the track marks that are
arm. Yeah, I learned it from watching you mom,
you know, but not really though. But.
Expect to see like Linda Blair pop up as a teenage alcoholic
or something, you know. Oh, that's, that's another movie, you know.
Isn't that a film where she's a teenage alcoholic or something?
I forget. But yes,
but yeah, this is fine. I, I again for, for, for,
for, for one time watch for a multiple time watch.
If you like it, check it out. That there are
worse. Check those things out there. Most of that came post
90s, like in the 90s and that that stuff came. But I
would declare that this is better than that with the exception of
Top Dog because who wouldn't want Chuck Norris and
Samo Hung in a karate dog? I don't know. I don't
know who you are if you don't like that.
It's just. Yeah, Top Dog coming
soon, dog. Or I totally forgot about Sammo Hung being in
that movie. Yes, I've seen Top Dog.
Yeah. We're animal lovers here. And you know, as a kid, you know,
that was the checkdoors. You watch, you watch Top Dog, you watch Walker,
Texas Ranger. You watch sidekicks way too many times and you know,
and when the parents. Weren'T home, you put on fire Walker.
Yeah, yeah, there you go. Yeah.
Sonny Landham doing his thing. Yeah.
Native American. Well, he's more believable as Native American than anybody else really, you know.
Yeah, right.
Oh my God. Oh, Billy bear. Yes indeed.
This has been a review of Force of One.
We'll be right back after this trailer with our review of better movie
Silent Rage right after this.
Columbia Pictures presents Chuck
Norris. Hot damn. Wider.
Call the police. Not me, boss.
Nobody call the police. You must be a maraud.
The master fighter of our time.
But not even he could imagine the power
of the indestructible man. He is about to
face a
creation of science whose only thought
is to survive the
unstoppable terror of
silent rage. Now Chuck
Norris must destroy him.
In. A final battle to the death and
beyond.
Silent Rage.
Silent Rage from 1982. Starring again,
Chuck Norris as Dan. As Dan Stevens. I guess he's
some kind of ranger in this movie. We'll get into that again.
A great character act, a great genre actor. Ron Silver
in this movie as Dr. Tom Holman. Another great
character actor, William Finley, is Dr. Paul Vaughn.
We got Stephen Keats, our sleazy doctor, Dr. Phil Spires,
Chuck's crush, Chuck Sex Montage.
Tony Column as Allison Holman.
Brian Libby as our unstoppable force, the Silent Rage
himself. John Kirby, the great Stephen
first, who I first saw and PM Entertainment's
Magic Kid with 10, Ted Chin, whatever the Roberts's
name. Yeah, he.
He's an animal house. He's in a bunch of stuff. Bunch of genre stuff
that you know and love. Lots of Star Trek too. Lots of Star Trek too.
Yeah. So he worked a lot of genre stuff over the years.
Stephanie Dunham as Nancy Hallman. Yeah, we'll get into some
more other stuff in a minute here. But this,
it's a better movie than the last movie. Your cheap applause
synopsis is this. A sheriff tries to stop the killing spree
of a silent maniacal murderer who as a result of a
secret genetic experimentation by an unethical
scientist. A lot of big words there. Has the ability to re. Re heal.
See, this guy's got Wolverine powers. And you know what? This is a mix of
unstoppable force and the fact he's probably like 7 foot tall compared
to Chuck. Yeah, but with
lead this time. Lee. Sally Rage. Lay us out. Lay it on us, brother.
Way better than our previous movie as we already alluded to.
Amen. And this is, and this is, you know,
it's surprisingly not a canon film. This is
still pre canon Chuck Norris that's going here.
And it's a sci fi slasher mashup where
it's like our, our Michael Myers style
killer is a. Is a up medical experiment
that's trying to like, you know, heal people.
But it goes wrong and turns this guy crazy and he's now this like
kind of emotionalist monstrous killer who just
starts hunting people down. So,
you know, one of two movies I can think
of that where Chuck is like directly up against like
a slasher killer, like hero in the Terror,
which I think does the concept a little bit better than this does.
But this time around,
watching it, I enjoyed this a lot more. Maybe part
of it does have to do with like I watched Force
of One right before that and that was like really Bad
compared to this. But, but,
you know, this, this, this flows a lot faster.
I, I might be butting heads with you guys on
this, but I did not dig Stephen first in this movie. I could have done
without him. He's my least favorite thing in this entire movie.
And, and you know,
the. He shares at one point in
a, in a character moment that he killed a dog. And I was like,
well, you're, you're really stacking the, the deck against
you in this movie, Stephen. I'm really
not enjoying this. But this has better Chuck stuff.
Like, it's just more Chuck doing Chuck stuff. Like he's got a great bar fight
in this where he beats the. Out of a bunch of bikers.
You got Ron Silver doing his thing. You kind of
feel like he's going to be the villain, but he's just kind of like villain
adjacent. He's. He's kind of like, just caught in the middle.
Chuck gets to like,
romance Ron Silver's sister because they had like
a previous romance going at some point. And that's
kind of weird seeing Chuck Norris, like, try to act and be romantic
and, and be like a flirt when he just kind of comes off as a,
as a, as a creep. But, you know, yeah, definitely. It's like, you hurt my
feelings. Yeah. But yeah,
this is about as close to, you know, outside Hero in the Terror.
This is about as close as you get to Chuck Norris fighting Michael Myers.
And that's not a bad thing.
And you, like Gary mentioned William Finley's in
this for whatever reason, you know, the Phantom of the paradise
himself is just in
this. And yeah,
pretty good. We'll get into it. But I like this a
lot more than, Than a lot of Chuck stuff.
So, yeah, I think the reason why Hero the Terror
as a presence, you know, super, you know, being.
Being. That's it being twice. But I,
I digress that. That Jack O'Halloran plays the,
the. The villain of sorts in that movie. And that's just an opposing
force. And so, you know, if you guys know that that's
non. The. The big guy from Superman.
Not. Not. You have the. The. I'm pretty sure you knew who he was.
I'm just telling the audience, you know.
Yeah. Cameron, Sir Salon Rage. Lay it out,
son. One of my favorite Chuck Norris movies,
as you said, Lee is the closest that we ever got to Chuck Norris fighting
Michael Myers and I am here for it.
Probably my favorite Chuck Norris movie next to either
like Code of Silence or maybe, you know,
Invasion USA, you know, Lone Wolf McQuay. But I could
go on and on getting a list of my favorite Chuck Norris movies. But,
like, you know me, I'm. I'm a big horror guy. So this is as close
as, like, really that, you know, Chuck ever got to horror,
you know, because let's face it, John Kirby is a formidable force.
He's. He's. He's Michael Myers without the mask and without the knife.
He's just breaking backs and cracking necks and crushing skulls
and doing all types of. I mean, we got that wonderful fight scene
in the biker bar, which is just. No, I laugh at
it. You know, I laugh at it now. Before, I was just like, oh,
this is Pete Chuck. You know, like, nah, this is Pete, you know, choreographed Chuck.
Yeah, but, you know,
it's. And William Finley is great in this. Like, I mostly
recognize him from the fun house where
he played the drunk magician. I like. It's a great
character actor. And I will admit I kind of have a love hate relationship
with Stephen first, like, you know, no pun intended,
but at first I liked him, and a little bit later, I could.
When he gets to the. The dog story, you know, about putting the dog in
the deep freeze, like, I'm like, oh, you're not ingratiating yourself with us,
sir. Yeah, I'm not feeling bad when you bite the big
one and like it. I did not know until
many years later that the. The lady that recorded the
song, the love song, during Chuck's love scene was Katie Seagal.
Oh, really? Yeah. Well, good old
Peg Bundy, man. I mean, I was just like, wow, I did not know that.
Just call it what it is, Cam. Call it Chuck's montage,
because that's what it was. Okay. You know? Yes. They're in
the house, they're in the mud. They're having a good time. You know,
like, it was what. The only time we've seen a scene like that maybe Besides
Lone Wolf McQuaid, which, you know, totally different kind of
movie, but. Yeah, I mean, this movie is fun. It's got humor, it's got
action. Unlike, you know, the previous movie, A Force of One.
It's. It's got, you know, it's prime Chuck.
The best way I can put it. Prime Chuck.
I mean, that's how I put it, you know, when a Chuck Norris movie is
especially good. Yeah, it's prime Chuck, you know?
Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Sally Raisley.
I. I have to read her 8. But these guys say, you know, it's the
first time in. The only time. Well, second to hero and Terror
you're gonna get Chuck Norris fighting Michael Myers. Which, you know, deep down
side, that's all we would really want. But this would
answer a lot of questions about freaking Michael Myers. Like, what if Michael Myers
was induced with some kind of serum to make him heal? You know,
that would explain so many things, not just this culture thorn.
So yeah, in a way, you know, Silent Rage
explains the mythos of Michael Myers even better
than Halloween does, you know. Right. Considered a lesser
movie. So, so, you know, I don't understand this concept of it,
you know, and I, I, I do love we get
some good Chuck in this movie. I mean, right at the beginning though,
you get you, what he's great about the beginning is you establish this character
who's infinitely terrifying.
But you could tell her he's having problems. Like he's making
calls and say, you know what? Whatever it is, is it working? And you know,
he's, he's losing his, losing his. And I'd be losing it in that house
too, man. Oh yeah. Kids and a woman who
I thought was Beth Grant, but it was not Beth Grant. You know,
I was like that best Grant, you know, because, you know, if you guys don't
know that is listeners. She, she doubts
your commitment to Sparkle Motion is all say about Beth Grant right there.
The biggest thing people know her from is, is Donnie
Darko. But she's been in many other things. But she's not in
this movie. Which blew my mind. That wasn't that person.
Yeah, this is great. I mean, Chuck. There's many scenes
where Chuck is fighting, trying to find this man or fighting
against this man, like they said. Stephen first is,
is I, I look at it, I look him at
him as like the goofy comic relief that wasn't,
was necessary but unnecessary because, because again,
just like Chuck's son, you know, when he
dies in force, the one, you know, with Steven first unfortunately
gets bear hugged to death in this movie. It's, it's, it is.
Even then he gets that stupid like a western death. Yeah, I've hurt
real bad, boss. I'm hurt real bad, you know, and he
crow and Chuck's just holding them. And holding on to him. It's like, you'll be
okay. You'll be all right. Like, no, my back is broke. I'm dying
soon. It's not getting to my brain anymore. But I, I stayed away
just long enough to say, I'm hurt. Balls. He hurt me real bad.
The doctors are really great in this movie. William Finley
has mentioned. This is like, you know, your,
your Your peon that's going along with
things. Ron Silver is. Is the
scientist who. Who wants this to stop. But again, Stephen Keats is
your. Your mad doctor, Dr. Spires, who says, you know what,
we up our years of research because you want to
do something. Blah, blah. Of course, them all over because, you.
Know, essentially Dr. Frankenstein at this point.
Yeah, yeah. You want Dr.
Hallman to live about Ron Silver, but, you know, he. He's the first one to
go, which is kind of up in retrospect, you know.
Yeah. Him and his. Him and his. His girlfriend in
the. In the like the real serious, like, slasher movie.
Yeah. Segment and the thing. Right.
Especially when, you know. Sorry,
yeah, I was just gonna say, like, especially when, you know, they find the bodies
and stuff later on. It's like. Yeah, that's. That's straight
out of like, that. Stuff like that. And like,
you also get like the sort of like, Loomis looking down from the window
Halloween shot as well. Like, there's definitely a lot of stuff that's just like directly
lifted from Halloween in this movie.
But it could easily been like a Chuck Norris
vs Michael Myers Specs group. I'm not
on Carpenter, but they do it better as far as like,
hey, hey. But there's a curse. Like, no, no, no. They. They use science
in this movie. That is not real. Of course. And I.
We talk about William Finley in this movie. He has
one of the greatest white guy deaths ever because after
he's told to inject that what I'm guessing is some kind of
acid into our killer to. To terminate him, he of course
uses Wolverine powers to deny the acid and wakes up
and William Finley seems. Coming down a hallway, the shadow of him,
and he has the. Hey, we cool, right, bruh? We cool.
No, we're not cool. We're not cool. And then he dies. And then,
you know, I just love that, you know, hey, we cool moment
by William Finley. And you know, when he holds up. The syringe in front of
him, like, no, no, I did this before. I'll do it again the first time.
I just love that concept that he. He has this power to regenerate.
That was. That was given to him by man. The whole mad
scientist aspect of this is. Is insanely well done.
I. I don't want to say it belongs in a better movie, but they took
that concept from this movie to turn somebody into Wolverine
without that adamantium. I think it would be really cool if
they did this again, but like, in another. In another plot
and. Oh, I think they Wanted to. I think they wanted to do a sequel
because they set it up for a sequel, but they never. He has
a Skeletor moment where he comes out. Yeah.
Scared the. Out of me as a kid. I just
think when I saw this as
a kid, when I was like 6, 7 years old and my mom
rented it for me, you know, I remember being glued to the couch.
I could not move. After that scene was over, I was scared to walk to
15ft over to my bedroom to. I was just frozen.
I was scared shitless of that ending. It's out of
focus, you know, but he looks terrifying even
out of focus when he plummets out of the water.
He has the Skeletor ending where he just pops out of the water. But he
does. I'll be back. He just, you know, because as we know,
Frank Langella was not back at Skeletor. And that makes me
sad because he was so good at it.
Only one trying in that movie. No.
If you haven't seen the Power of Grayskull documentary, he has a whole section
on there where he talks about him changing the lines.
You know, hit all of his lines and, you know, work at that rubber
mask. You know, the alpha and
the omega. So good.
It's so good. If you haven't seen it before, master the universe.
You can go to YouTube, watch all the Skeletor parts in one video, and,
you know, your day will be better, in my opinion, you know? Right.
Right. Yeah. But this film,
I. I think it's. The action's great. I mean, the martial arts is
120 more cleaner in this movie, which is important
when your starring vehicle is Chuck Norris and he's known for doing
martial arts, and it's just
a lot. A lot better. And I.
I'm like, these guys. I. I feel bad when Steven first dies, but then again,
he did kill a dog, so that. That gets cut in half pretty
easily. I only feel, like, half as bad about it.
Yeah. When you deep freeze a dog, you're like,
yeah, that's. That's bad. Yeah. I'm just gonna say I'm.
I'm happy he died in this, and he should have died sooner. I. I could
not take Stephen first in this movie. It just. It. It. I did
not need comic relief in this. Like, I think that's one of the.
If I got any criticisms of these. Of this movie, really, it's more
that, like, I kind of wish it just stuck strictly
to, like, being a serious slasher movie and not having to have,
like. Like, even the bar fight Which I like. It feels out of
place in this movie. It should just be Chuck versus Michael Myers.
This should be the thing. But they told those guys to get out of town,
though. Come on. Only, you know, I love the one.
Guy when he's like, well, nobody called the police. It must be a mirage.
It's just. It's just they're. They're from a different movie, right?
Like, maybe another movie where Chuck Norris is a cop cleaning
up a town. That's fine. Like, Chuck Norris didn't even have to be a cop
in this. He could have been anything else. And you
could have had the same plot for the most part. And you just.
You take the bikers out, you put in a few more slasher kills. You have
Chuck Norris as maybe a detective or something, like,
you know, like a PI Hunting down this killer or something that.
That works. He could easily been, like, a security guard working at the hospital did.
Like. True. Yeah. Something's not right here.
I'm gonna investigate. I like that idea. Because then
you get a little bit of Halloween 2 in it as well. Like, this guy
attacks, like, Chuck's old girlfriend, and now she's in the hospital, and Chuck
has to protect her in the hospital. Yeah. It's essentially Halloween 2
with. Without the Michael Myers mask. That's what it is. Yeah.
Now you gotta think about Halloween 3. Dan Chalice, Chuck Norris
mashup. You know, where they have to fight for mustache supremacy. You know,
deciding who's gonna. Your mother first. Yeah. You know,
if you look at the poster, it's got a great poster. Because Chuck Norris
is so big at this point, they give a. If they use his
character name at all. And the poster just says, science created
him. Now Chuck Norris must destroy him.
Like, One man's Mission Disturbed. Like, no, no, you're gonna.
Twice on this poster, because it says there, and it says
above the title, Silent Rage with Chuck Roundhouse
kicking the title card, you know, just to let you know
that, hey, Chuck Norris, if you didn't miss the massive picture that we're sitting
right there, too, of him. He's in this movie. Yep.
And he has silent rage, too. You know,
Chuck's always got silent rage, so that's the thing. But he has
audible rage. And that's the problem. I don't want to
get into politics, but they're a little warped sometimes, you know? Oh,
yeah. But we love him for the good stuff that
he's done, though. So there's that, you know. Yep. Like Sally
Rage. I mean, I recommend this film to anybody. I mean, this is one of
those argument films as horror fans.
Is, is this film a slasher? Yes, this film was a slasher. It just happens
to have Chuck Norris in it, you know. Yeah,
you're karate kicking Dr. Loomis, you know.
You know, I think, you know, people hesitate on this one because
it doesn't quite go as hard as 10 to midnight does
with Charles Bronson, right where that one is like very sleazy.
Like that one's like American giallo slasher almost
kind of thing. Whereas this one still has enough like
Chuck Norris as a cop doing cop things and outside
distractions. So there's a bit more of a gray
area there. But yeah, I'd say it's still straight up pretty much a horror movie
in the, for the most part, it just. Happens to have Chuck Norris in it.
That's the only difference. Now John Kirby was hanging dong
like the guy intended Midnight the whole time, you know.
Equal, Equal exploitation.
Yeah, well, I, I, I, I'm sorry, Chuck Norris. We need
a huge dildo attached to the power drill, you know,
or that the, Was it a foot or something? A rubber foot?
Yeah. You know what? This is for jacking off, isn't it?
No, I haven't seen that movie too many times. No, no, not at all.
Yeah, you, you need that, that biker bar scene,
you know, I almost wish that to create more, more comic
relief just to really lay it home that, hey, he's here to die, to be
comic relief. Charlie rolls up in the foot with a, like one
of those Bill Cage paddy wagons.
Throwing those guys in the paddy wagon. I forget which,
which police academy that happens in, but it happens in the Police Academy movie where
Hightower just goes. Everybody starts cleaning house at the Blue. Oh, that's part
two. Yeah, it's just part two. Yeah. Starts throwing guys in the back
of a paddy wagon, you know. Oh, yeah,
because that was a Mouser joint. I forgot now. Yes, the tracks.
Yes. Oh, yeah. Another series
I can't get enough of for no good reason at all. I just can't get
enough of it. Even, even Mission to Moscow,
people. We'Ll have to agree to disagree on
that one. Mission to Moscow.
You got Rob Perla doing bad Russian accent in that movie, though. Come on now,
you know, I'll get. I'll give you that much. I'll give you that much,
sir. No, this, this, this is
great though. Hey, this, this is, this is top tier Chuck and
prime Chuck, if you will. That soup bone tastes really good,
you know. Might make some, some tasty beef Stew,
even if you will. But yeah,
that's, that's all my thoughts on the final thoughts on the film.
Lee. Yeah, this one,
this one's entertaining. This is one you could put on and enjoy and not just
have it in the background. Like this one you can pay attention to because,
you know, there's enough stuff going on around Chuck that's really good.
And then Chuck himself is pretty decent in this one. Like, at least he's trying.
He has like some character stuff he actually does in this, you know,
even though, like we said, he kind of comes off as a creep with his
love interest because he's just kind of like, hey, remember when we used to date,
we should just start doing that again. And despite the fact that,
you know, at first she protests or whatever, but she seems into it.
So you kind of get like, why did they even break up? I don't know.
It's just because he needs to have a. He, he needs to chase a
girl in this, apparently. But yeah,
the slasher stuff, when it happens is really good. You got
like, you know, three doctors. One of them's evil,
one of them's kind of in between. The other one's kind of like a
good guy who's trying to do his best but gets in the way.
And I liked all that stuff.
And you know, the killer is imposing. He's. He's a credible
threat to Chuck. Like Chuck doesn't end up killing him in the end,
you know, so that says something for, you know, that's a rarity
in, in one of these movies where Chuck doesn't,
you know, Chuck doesn't ultimately win.
Yeah, I like this. I like this a lot. It, it's, for me, it's like
it's in the top two. Like if you, you're doing like a tier list
ranking or whatever, like people do sometimes.
This is kind of like up near the top tier, but like
lower half of the top tier. I'd say, like, it's not quite as good
as his best movies, but it's a really fun Chuck
Norris movie at the end of the day. And that's kind of what you're asking
for. You're not looking for necessarily great drama or
like top tier action movies with Chuck Norris. You're kind of looking for,
you know, just kind of fun. And if you can
get that out of Chuck, you got a good Chuck movie and that this is
a good Chuck movie.
Cameron, I agree about 110 with
everything Lee just said. Like, it's a fun movie.
I, although I will Disagree with one thing. I like the humor of it.
It's not much. It's not often.
Sorry. That you actually get a Chuck Norris movie that has humor,
that has comic relief. And I feel like Stephen first does
kind of work. He doesn't work at times he's a little overbearing, you know,
on things. It's a, you know, some of
his mishandlings of,
of certain scenes. There's just a little bit much. But I kind of
like, I mean I, I do, I do generally like Stephen first in this
movie. I mean, he's not as annoying as say,
Franklin and then Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Yeah,
annoying. You know, he's not. I don't hate him quite that bad. I have a
love hate relationship with his performance here. But it's the sky,
probably with Stephen first in this movie is that he feels like a kid on
a ride along. Like, like the whole movie. Yeah, right, right. So he's like,
hey, it's time to get serious.
You know, he feels like he's like a 12 or 13 year old really.
On a ride. Yeah. But you know,
I, I do love this movie. It was one of my first Chuck movies that
I ever saw. It made me scared the out of Brian Libby for a
lifetime, man. I did not like him as
John Kirby. Well, not did not like him, but I feared him. I, I thought,
thought he was a palpable presence, you know.
And it, this movie kind of has like different. And use this word
again, Tears of Villains. You know, ron Silver
is Dr. Hallman. Is that his name? Dr. Hallman? I think it was,
you know, was kind of like the reluctant villain. Stephen Keats was straight
up Dr. Frankenstein and you know, Brian Levy,
you know, was straight up Michael Myers. I mean, it was just,
it was. It's a lot more of a complicated Chuck movie than I think we're
used to. I think most of the time it was either straight karate, straight action,
straight cop movie or something. This movie was multifaceted
and I love it for it. And you know, you know, you don't hire
Chuck Norris, as the director said, you know, you don't hire Chuck Norris
not to do karate. And he does plenty of it in
here. He runs, he runs Brian Libby over, he shoots him, he sets him on
fire, he drowns him, beats him, throws them at the bottom of the well and
still can't kill that son of a. So I, I think it's one
of the bigger travesties in sequel film
history that this movie never got a part 2. I think it was. They Were
probably hoping for it, but I know it didn't really do as well as they
were hoping. I think it made like 10 million box office, which even for like
early 80s was not superb. Yeah. Because its
budget was 4.5 million. So like 10.5
million isn't a big enough return at this point where it's like, yeah,
we'll try it again. You know, it's not like a Friday the 13th where if
they do that, then it's like, okay, let's do it again. This is.
This is more disappointing for.
For them. Yeah. But I love this movie.
I consider it middle to top of the heap of Chuck
Norris movies. It's. It's definitely some prime ch.
Nope, I had myself on mute there. No, no, I.
Yeah, this is very enjoyable. Again, top 10.
It's kind of hard to pick a top five for Chuck Norris films, in my
opinion. And I know you guys are thinking, oh, why? It's just Chuck Norris
because he made some quality genre stuff and he. He kind of always knew,
especially early on what. What movie he was in, if that
makes any sense to anybody else. It just.
Yeah, yeah. This film itself, you know, he was surrounded by gray
genre people imposing force,
and he looked terrifying when
he went full bore there, bro. Brian Libby is John Kirby.
He had the killer was doing. Doing good stuff. And again,
that little bit of comedy tension there really
lighten the mood of the film. Film, I guess, for a while.
Because you. You would have that. That bit of like, levity, like the.
The sex montage or like the bar in
between of. Of, you know, brutal murders.
So what turns folks off of the fact that Chuck Norris
in this movie to say, hey, this film's not a slasher. And I'm telling you,
hey, hey, it is. And you know, go.
Go check it out. Available on
Tubies. So you have no, no, no, no recourse to say,
hey, I'm not watching that movie and paying for it. You can watch it
for free on Tubi. I'm sure it's a fine print of the film too.
Yeah. Because you don't have to pay for it. So there you go. We got
no reason to skip. There you go. But that
is, that. Is that for. For good old Chuck for today?
I'd love to do Breaker Breaker on your show one day. That'd be a lot
of fun. Lee, him and good old Jan. Michael Vincent, I think said that
movie. Oh, yeah, yeah. That. That sounds like something we
should do. Oh, my gosh. Yeah.
Breaker in years. Oh, yeah, I watch it. It's pretty fun. It's pretty
fun. And we'll be back right for this to
close out the show. Chuck Norris
Karate Commando. Bring it up.
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stolen microchip. Protecting it was super ninja.
First Teemo stood up to him and was down.
Then Reed Smith flew in and was grounded.
But now it's his karate against mine. Chuck Norris
Karate commandos. Chuck Norris super ninja. Reed Smith Chemo and other figures sold
separately new from Kenner. Thanks guys for coming on
and filling in for my, my normal beepers. I know
that's always a pleasure to be with you guys. It's been a while since we've
done Torchies and that's coming real soon too.
Spoilers, guys, if you will. You know. So they've
been away for a while and I'm, I'm looking forward to.
I'm glad we got back in the saddle tonight. I'm glad to get back inside
looking with you guys, the saddle and the trenches.
Pick. Pick an analogy. Here I
go to bed for these gentlemen anytime they ask me to, let's put it
that way. You know,
you guys got a lot of stuff going on. I mean, Lee's been releasing a
show a week. I'll start with you, Lee. What you got
going on on the show and what you got coming.
Yeah, so I had a pretty good January actually,
where I got. I managed to get a bunch of shows out, so that was
good. We did, did Highlander and
we sort of talked about the, the franchise itself as
a whole as well on that episode. So that was a lot of fun.
We did the Matador just
last week, which was a fun little talk. If people
are not familiar with that one. That's the Pierce Brosnan one where he's kind of
like trying to sort of get
the stink of his Bond portrayal
off of him by sort of playing an anti Bond in that. And it's
got Greg Kinnear in it and it's real fun. So we
had a fun discussion there. We also did the. This past
month we also did our best and worst first time watches for 2024.
That was a big episode as well. And just
last night I recorded a episode on the Monolith
Monsters with my guest Matt Anderson. And That's
a Oddball 1950s sci fi movie
from Universal Studios that a lot of
people don't know about. It's kind of like a. Almost,
almost a Lost movie in a sense. Whereas, you know, people just kind of overlook
it or they just never check it out. But it's very Much worth
checking out. And that episode will be out. That'll be
the latest one probably by the time you hear this.
And as for that, I don't, I don't know what's coming
up next. I, I planned out January, but I
did not plan out February at all. So who knows how many episodes
are going to come out. Maybe two. I'm hoping for two. See what they
are. Not sure yet, but yeah, that's,
that's what we're doing over it. They must be Destroyed on site
tmbdos.podbean.com so check that out if you're
so inclined. Cool.
Today, January 26th of 2025.
Happy New Year, by the way. I know it's late and everything,
but you know what, we've been around that often, but Cameron
just released episode a day of his show. Tell us all about it,
sir. Yeah, I just released an episode on my show
called Without Warning where I surprised my friend Corey Dawson out of the blue,
without warning if you will, and with a surprise topic. And we
did a famous movie, weapons, you know.
So we talked a lot about Ash's chainsaw, Frenchie shotgun,
robocop's gun, the Adam the Atlantean
sword from Conan the Barbarian amongst like dozens and dozens of others.
But it's the first episode I've released in a while. I kind of took a
hiatus from not recording but from releasing stuff
and editing for a while because seasonal depression kind of
hit me like a freight train and was moving out of a new house,
out of, out of an old house, moving into a new house. So it was
just like buying and selling a house. It was like, like just super stressful.
So I decided to put everything on the back burner. But I'm back at it.
I have an episode coming up on my Grindhouse Pizzeria show with
my buddy Tom Commissar. We're talking about the Burt Reynolds joint White
Lightning. Oh yeah. And my wife and I are doing a
top 10 of 2024 episode that we're going to be
recording tomorrow. So it's kind of like a year in review. Our top
10, you know, our top 10 movies we saw in 2024.
And then I got a couple of others that are coming out. I got a
transfers three episode that I'm going to be releasing here in a couple of weeks.
We're in about, about a week, week and a half. And next month I'm
starting to release my long recorded. But like,
just like I said, put them on the back burner. I'm doing A David Cronenberg
appreciation month for February. Cool. So I'm doing
several episodes of that, you know, Crimes of the Future,
Rabid History of Violence,
Scanners and a couple others. Might record one or two more.
And then I got, you know, a couple other things in the work.
But I've been doing a lot of writing lately too, and then the last couple
months. So I'm in the hard at work on my first novel. So I'm kind
of excited about that after publishing a couple of short stories in
the last year. So I'm working on my first novel. So that's taken
up my. My most of my time while I haven't been recording or
editing on anything. So been trying to keep busy all the same,
you know, so it's a good excuse, sir. I'm looking forward to checking
it out, you know. Yeah, yeah. Thank you. Thank you.
At the civil camera shows, if you guys haven't listened to the
Gator McCluskey saga episode that we did on this show,
myself and John Cross had a good time talking
about the. The mysticism of one Gator McCluskey and.
You know, Gator man. Gotta love
some Gator man. Yeah.
This show.
Next guys, have you hear. These guys will be in our last call Torches Recordings,
which next up in line is Undisputed with Wesley Snipes, Fing Rhames,
Peter Falk. There's a lot of great character actors in that movie
that we'll get into when we talk about that. I'm not gonna
say if I like it or not yet, but it has a lot of good
actors in it. But I give it that. You know,
the Charlie Band, Empire produced
Arena, which I had more
fun with it, and Undisputed, and we'll talk about why when we get into
that. But it's. It was the first time watch for me and
it's kind of a blast, actually, you know, so there's that,
yeah, this show. There's stuff. There's stuff
that could be coming.
It depends on, you know, Suzanne and
X have been very busy with the holiday stuff, but that's winding down.
But he's always busy with. With writing for Biff Bam Pop
and other things. But we, we have scheduled shows that
are supposed to be coming eventually.
I'm trying to scroll back and find out what those shows work. I know the
Manitou and the Dark Half was gonna. Is gonna be
a show, those two things. And then
the other one was.
I'm gonna find this eventually. Yeah, I was gonna say, wasn't the Dark half
the first show that you did on my. My podcast,
Gary. I think it was. It sounds right.
And I found the other one. There's one. There's the dark half of the
Manitou and there is.
I remember one was Night wars and I think Dan Hagerty
is in that movie, I think. But it's.
It's this interesting low budget.
It's. It's not. I wouldn't call it a good movie in traditional sense,
but the, the whole idea of.
Damn. It's about people who went to Vietnam
and come home and somehow their friend
from Vietnam who was crazy. Yes, it's Night wars and Jacob's Ladder
somehow come back through his dreams and
somehow they can go into the dream and kill him. Like. Like I like.
Like Nightmare on Elm street again. It's real loose
and it's really stupid in parts. But I, I happen to enjoy this
film called Night wars. So I said I want to talk about it with somebody.
So it was either going to be this or with John Cross on the
shows we do together. Which. The next one. The diner
where we are in the parade way.
Michael Perret is the subject of those.
One of those films we're doing into the sun with him
and Anthony Michael Hall. And the VHS film
in question is. Now I'm gonna go John Cross's conversation
because I should have been more prepared than this. But it's. Yes indeed.
Oh oh. It. It is no Place to Hide which
has Kris Kristofferson, Drew Barrymore, Martin Landau in
it. It's like a. A cult thing where we're.
Drew Barrymore is a prostitute, I think and create
a. A beardless Chris Christopherson has to protect her from occultists
and what. Yeah, yeah. This is the film that I have a laserdisc.
And I said hey John, why not this movie? He said I have
it on vhs. It was like a match made in heaven.
You know, we both have it at the same movie on some
dead media. So there's that. So that's the next
in the parade way which we. You'll find on the
after Movie Diner once it's released and once you record
it, which I think is gonna be next week. So lots
of irons in the fire. I hope it's with. With at
least X. Because like anybody
said that about his, his. His. His mother Suzanne
cannot go on the phone because she doesn't answer the phone sometimes and
it's annoying.
Party girl. But yeah, that's it for this one.
I thank these. These amazing gentlemen for taking the time being. Being patient with
me all this time again.
Holiday shits are real, man. Yeah, I don't.
I. I don't like them, but not.
Many of us do, man. I don't think many of us do.
But this is bad. The Sleep podcast, where if you've got beef,
we've got the Grinder. See you next time. Bye. Bye.