Trey: hello and welcome back to another episode of MCU.
Need to know a podcast dedicated to the Marvel cinematic universe and everything.
And you need to know I'm Trey.
Jude: I'm Jude.
I'm doing
Trey: pretty fantastic, man.
I, uh, you know, we originally put out on social media that we were going to be
doing an episode covering the villains and the Marvel cinematic universe.
And specifically when the, when Marvel fixed its villain problem.
Uh, but due to some technical difficulties, we've had to pivot
and in the scrambling for a top.
I got to say, now that the dust is settled, we're doing this.
I'm pretty excited to get into this one.
Jude: Yes.
It's this topic is like I said, like I said, like I said,
referring back to a conversation that the audience has not heard.
Hey,
Trey: we do that all the time.
They're called in tags.
Jude: Yes.
Are we that rusty.
Okay.
Hold on.
Which
Trey: is where we just recorded.
Jude: What was I going to say?
God, I'm so lost right now.
Why that throw me off so bad?
Trey: So we start
Jude: over.
No, I can salvage it.
Yes.
This is a question.
I think we were talking before we started recording about how much this
comes out with the Disney plus shows.
And I think going all the way back to the ABC shows and, and the Netflix
shows and seeing at least this attempted once before, it was kind of fun to talk
about it as those shows were going on.
But now that we're in this kind of a content break and I would
argue like such a drastic.
For Moonlight, what we're going to get in the near future, because
this is a completely new character.
Whereas the previous shows had previous characters like.
Revisiting, how is this going to work?
I think is, is always a fascinating topic.
Yeah.
Trey: 100%.
Okay.
Plus I want to make sure we, we are rusty.
Jude: What happened?
Trey: I got toured because I wanted to follow up from that, but I didn't
want to get too far down without doing the spotlight for the other podcast.
So yeah, I think what I want to do and we can change this.
We need to, I want to be like, yeah, of course.
So if you saw the down the title, you know, we're gonna be talking about
this, but before we jump into that, Jude, uh, if I'm not mistaken, you
wanted to highlight this and then that'll cue you to do your thing.
Jude: Yeah.
I think that's a good way to do it.
Oh my gosh.
I have no idea.
Are you sure?
We don't.
We're not ready for a minute.
Okay.
Trey: Oh my God.
Okay.
So I'm always in love with the idea of like making each Mehta
episode different in a way, like, like the last one, we didn't do it.
We didn't have the theme song until like 10 minutes.
Yeah.
What if we just did the meta episode in the middle of another
episode, it just bailing on it.
Jude: I think the theme song, right.
Is that more funny for us or for the listener?
Trey: That's what the meta episode is, baby.
Jude: I don't know
Trey: how we broke record.
I think it is.
I say, let's go for it.
Okay.
And then this is the men episode.
This comes out after the, the, how important are the Marvel shows.
Jude: Okay.
Trey: Do you have a theme song?
Jude: Oh my God.
You know.
Okay.
So this is day two of a snow day for me.
And thinking about the pivots we've had to do and like, and the naps that
I've taken in the joy of experiencing.
Not having to work and having a four-day weekend has just been fantastic.
That might be what's getting to me.
Trey: Yeah.
Well, you know, it's so funny because whenever, depending on what
makes it into this edit, you talked about like, oh man, are we rusty?
Like what's going on?
And for a brief moment, I had to think about it, but we did record last week.
It was just doing the two parter for whatever reason through.
Oh, yeah, it was the
Jude: two-parter.
Trey: Yeah.
I say threw us off.
It threw me off for whatever reason.
Well,
Jude: I liked the fact that we ended up with a two-parter.
I did.
I know you did.
It's okay.
Trey: Oh, the two-parter.
Yeah, that was it's not that I didn't love.
It was, if you, if you are on our social media, you saw, we put out the, the
conversation that we had whenever we were debating, whether or not we wanted to
split captain America, the winter soldier into two parts, and you were 100% correct.
That was the right decision to do because clearly we were just so enamored with the
movie that in order to do it in one gun, We would've had to just Quicken the pace
and not say everything we wanted to say.
So 100%, right.
You were right.
The reason that I didn't want to was just because like, I've always felt
there is a momentum in energy whenever it comes to any kind of media, like.
You have to, I think you have to, and I'm gonna get us in some hot water there.
I think you have to earn two parts, if that makes sense.
And as proud as I am to the podcast and love everything that happened.
I didn't know if we were there yet, but I think it turned out well, so yeah.
Yeah.
Jude: I get, I get that.
I get the whole earning.
I do get the whole earning two parts also was our, that was our first two-part 100%.
Yeah.
So yeah, so that was, that was the other thing is not just earning that, but, but.
Being the first time.
And I think it worked well.
Trey: It did.
Yeah, it was, uh, I think that's what attributes to also the rust as
well is because not only was it the.
The first two part, but I mean, with that comes, establishing new norms.
So like now we have a precedent.
Should we ever do another two-parter we understand how we're going to handle it
and coming back, because I don't know if it's anything that was noticeable to other
people, but it was definitely something we talked about in the second half of
that winter soldier, we jumped straight to it, like, hi, I'm Trey, I'm Jude.
We're going to be talking about this.
And we just picked up right where we left off kind of thing.
Oh yeah,
Jude: yeah, yeah.
It makes sense.
Right.
Because it's so funny.
Cause we didn't, we recorded it separately.
Right.
It wasn't like we had one long recording and then cut it in half.
We intentionally did it separately, but we wanted that feel of
like, of that, of that break.
And so I th I think that, I think it worked, you mentioned what would that do
to our infinity war and in game coverage?
Two parts.
But I think looking around like, like we're not the only.
Hi, Cassidy has done two parts on some things, and I think that's okay.
Trey: And, and like, and I hope that doesn't come as a diss on anybody else.
Like everybody's show has like, it's different, right?
Like if it's built in from the get go, that's how you do it.
I think that you have that buy-in.
So it's not like I'm trying to say like, people that have done
episodes in parts is just like, oh, I'm turning my nose up at them.
It's I get, I guess, overly precious about introducing stuff.
I mean, you've been working with me for almost two years now.
Like you, you see overly precious, like.
Stuff.
So, yeah, that's all that was.
Now that we have done it.
I haven't told you this yet.
This is going to be alive reaction to it too.
Now that we have done it.
I kinda like the idea of, let's say, for example, our next movie is Dr.
Strange, not that this one warrants it, but let's just use these example.
We start with the first half of Dr.
Strange, we do it and that will prompt people to what.
And then they can come back for the finish, like the last half.
And so they will have already seen it because as much as like, we're like,
Hey, uh, if you're following us on social media, we're going to be covering this.
I, I recognize that a lot of times the way people find it.
What we're doing for the first time is through the feed.
So if it is split into two halves, that gives the people who really are
just on the audio feed a chance to get involved as well, and hopefully more
engaged with some of the questions and thoughts and themes that we see
emerging within the movie itself.
Yeah.
Jude: Well, and it's, and it's interesting because one of the things
you've talked about with the Disney plus shows is you like that it's, it's.
How did you praise it is the MCU with room to breathe.
Yeah, that's all we're doing.
Where'd you take your time to breathe big inhale and exhale out
Trey: again two years, you know, have little, I inhale and exhale.
I speak rapidly.
And then I just go quiet all over again.
Wait before we get too far just to set it up because another thing I'm always
cognizant of every time we do a meta episode is how quickly we will get
into the episode without explaining.
What's going on.
If this is your first minute episode, I think this will be the fifth one for us.
I
Jude: believe so.
I'd have to look.
Yeah, pretty sure it's five.
Yeah,
Trey: it'll be the fifth rendition of this quote-unquote series.
And essentially what it is, is a break for us to talk about the show
in a meta sense and really kind of bare all of what we're doing and the
ideas that we have about the show.
It's really opening up the.
For the listeners to have more behind the scenes picture of what's going on and kind
of audibly, let us air out our laundry.
Jude: Yeah.
Well, and it's interesting because I don't think a single
meta episode has been planned.
It's they've all like, it's just a gut feel in the moment.
Like we go to record and for some reason, despite the planning, we're just.
And not in a Headspace to do it in, it's just kind of giving ourselves that
permission to be like, You know what let's, let's not force something that's
that and not giving us a new treatment.
Yeah.
Trey: And you know, I'm not going to out the person specifically, and
you have permission to veto this.
If we decide to, to bleep it out or cut it, I'm not gonna out them specifically.
But the very first time we did.
There someone did message me like, okay, that was a little pretentious.
So there's always this balancing act of like, how do we turn it into
something that is still beneficial to the audience, as well as being
something that is in line with what you just said, giving that permission to
like, not force something, if we're not feeling it or just, it is a, it is a
bridge to, to help make pivots easier.
And I think.
The first episode with that person that messed with me was definitely right.
It was probably a little too pretentious, but I think we have settled into
that peek behind the curtains.
Like there are no curtains in the med episode, so yes, there's, there's your,
your introduction to what these are
Jude: welcome.
Trey: Oh, man.
This is the longest break that we've had in the MCU since Juan division started.
And I I'll go ahead and say, it does feel like there's been a little bit of
playing off the back foot when it comes to coming up with topics, because despite.
The release, like we've been consistent with the release.
I think it has been a lot of like week of recordings and turnarounds,
where usually in these breaks, we get a little bit more room to breathe.
Uh, how are you feeling about where we're at right now?
Since the end of Hawkeye and right before the start of Moonlight.
Jude: Okay.
So I'm trying to remember.
We did back last January I'm guess we were still going through topics.
Cause we were going into Wanda vision.
And what I found, what I found fascinating about 20, 21, thinking back to that
is okay, so pandemic happened and we had that long stretch with no new
content, but it was like understandable.
If that makes sense.
I don't like.
I feel more, this sounds so weird, but I feel more content starved
now than I did during that break.
And I'm wondering if that's just 20, 21, there was just so much
stuff and it was just so busy of content, MCU content that now it's
just like what happened, you know?
Trey: I think what the difference might be, whether it's a conscious
or subconscious thing on your part is because we hadn't yet
experienced the new stuff in the MCU.
We still had the Daredevil stuff to fall back on.
And so even though we switched it up to do topic-based episodes, we
had all the intentions of going back and starting seasoned tears.
So it was this safety net.
The difference now, Is, we could start Daredevil season two, but because we
didn't have a concrete date on when the next MCU project was, it was this fear of.
Do we want to start this and then be in the middle of a season and have
to pause it for moon night and then come back in the interim we're with
what we decided to go with, which is to stick to the topic based episodes.
So then it becomes a little bit harder to have to, uh, feed
those on a week to week basis.
Yeah.
Jude: And see, that's the thing I still want to get back to.
Uh, Daredevil season two, three, and least Punisher season one,
uh, because they're so good.
Well, I mean, don't get me wrong.
Jessica Jones was so good.
Uh, Luke cage was good, at least for the Daredevil and Punisher.
There's been that.
Confirmation for Daredevil rumored confirmation for Jon Bernthal
returning that I haven't seen for Kristen Ritter or my culture.
Yeah.
So though, that's why I would mention those for sure.
But they're so good, but when you're right, like to do that every
week and then have that pause.
I dunno.
I dunno how, how best to make that work.
Trey: Yeah.
And we've talked about it before.
I don't think we've talked about it on the podcast though.
There is a bit of fear.
Uh, I'll speak for me.
There's a bit of fear on my part to commit to 13 weeks of Daredevil, which
is not an indication of the show.
Like we'd like, I know you've seen it.
You really like it.
I've seen four episodes of it.
I really liked it, but whenever.
Like content planning for MC you need to know there is a huge commitment
to say for the next 12 weeks, we're going to be diving into this.
And even though there is a huge spike of people watching
Daredevil now after Hawkeye.
Yeah.
It's just, it's, it's hard to pull the trigger on that, on that
decision to say, we're going to spend these next 12 weeks doing that.
Jude: Yeah.
Yes it is.
Uh there's.
Well, it is so funny cause like this.
Just, we explained this medicine, the med episode is for us, you know, and,
and we hope audience listeners enjoy it.
Uh, but trying to be in con and conscious of the podcast for us because we enjoy it.
But it's also clearly for putting it out there for other people and
we want it to be for other people.
It does.
It does make the planning of committing to 12 weeks of this.
What topics should we use?
All of those things get impacted.
And me being me, me knowing you, like, I know you, that's a
huge area for second guessing.
Trey: Yeah.
100%, because there's always that idea of like, which I guess in
essence, this is what we've done.
There's always that idea of like, all right, we can do four episodes.
Oh, man, this isn't having the turnout.
We thought it would, let's just abandon it.
I know me.
And I think going out on that same limb of, of, of what you just said
of knowing you, like, I think I do, it would feel very weird for
us to just abandon Daredevil.
Uh, so that's not really an option either.
Jude: Yeah.
Oh yeah.
Well, it was like feeling, I can say this was like, when we tried
to attempt agent Carter and it was just like this wasn't working.
Yeah.
You know, we did one episode and again, I think we've, you mentioned
that on another med episode before, like that hasn't seen the light of day
just cause it, it just wasn't working.
It didn't feel.
It didn't feel right.
Yeah.
You know, and, and, and so we wanted to make sure that we're well, like
with the two partner doing something, it's do justice because people listen
because they're fans of the MCU and they want to engage in this stuff.
And we're trying to be mindful.
Trey: Yeah, I, I think there's definitely been coming up on year two.
There's been this, I don't know if learning curves the right word,
but I think going into this, you and I both had that, understanding
that, doing this the biggest draw.
Is the MCU, right?
We're MCA to know we're going to be covering stuff regarding
the Marvel cinematic universe.
And so we tried to keep as focused as we could.
Like, I know we talked about how we, we, we broke that with Daredevil, but
we were not going to rehash that reason.
But now in year two, what I think has been the hardest thing to
facilitate is that balancing act of.
Recognizing the biggest draw we have is the MCU, but also trying to play too.
And I always hate having to describe it this way, but to
us as personalities, right?
Like, like of people listening because they like us.
And so there's always that growing pain.
And I feel like we're kind of in that.
Section right now, if that makes sense.
As far as the growth of a, of a show goes,
Jude: oh yeah.
Yeah.
So it's, it's
I think you put it right.
Like there's a weird personality aspect to any content and that's just the
nature of lesbian human, you know, like, like I can remember growing up and.
Watching local news and purely based off a perception of the anchor and personality
of the anchor, like parents would choose one station over the next, but it's
still the same, like local stories.
You know what I mean?
And same thing for like any content that I consume on like YouTube or, or whatever.
You know, cause you have multiple options to choose from.
And so, so yeah, that's the, I mean, bringing that up,
that's the scary part of this,
Trey: the imbuing, the personality.
Jude: Well, knowing that that's part of it.
Well, I mean, you know, I mean, like you said, like we're always wondering,
Trey: oh man, I'm so glad you cleaned that up because the way you were
teasing me about that on the phone.
Made it sound so much a worse.
And because I feel like I need to do it justice and like explain to people how
it came unintentionally, a discipline, you, uh, when you were having a phone
conversation and we were just talking about like, I think trying to be funny.
And I mentioned like, oh, well, you can be funny in an empty room.
And I don't think it came across clearly that I was mentioning the Royal year.
Meaning you could make your own self laugh, but you interpret it.
Like I would say you specifically could go be funny in an empty room
Jude: and you're right.
I can't mean if you room.
Oh my God.
Trey: I knock them dead.
Jude: It's insane.
How much these shoes in the closet, or it's just crazy noisy in here.
Trey: That is the fine line between the audience and us.
They'll never understand all this stuff that we had to edit out because
we're just killing it in here.
I
Jude: know.
Right.
We know there is that element, you know, like I, I imagine
it's honestly, I've had it.
It's no different than making a movie.
Right.
So to some degree, like you're trying to get the beach, you're
trying to get the right camera angle.
I remember talking to Taika Waititi, talking about, you know, shooting comedy
and shooting Greg Yurok and having that the, the, the, on the gag was it can
help and why it was important to have a two-shot and to stay in the two-shot for.
You know, for Loki to get up and into the frame and because that was the
funniest way to do it, and it's not easy.
Trey: Uh, I think because I've always had a respect for how hard
it is to make movies or TV shows or any kind of video production.
But it was really set into perspective for me when I can't
even quote it specifically.
But a director said that making a movie is essentially taking three or more years
of your life and getting 90 minutes of it.
Perfect.
And as soon as they said that, like that has just completely
changed the way that I view.
Creating anything it's not just restricted to, to video productions,
but even this, like, I, I an open up a little bit here because I've talked
about how I've, you know, I've had my own issues with mental health and
just kind of self-loathing stuff.
I remember one time I was talking to leach and I was just a very bad
spell and I was just venting to them.
I said, oh, local man spends eight hours talking about four hours of why
he kind of like the one hour mark.
Uh, I kind of lost the thread on that in particular, but I wanted to make that
joke, but I it's it's it's a scary act.
I think that goes into to doing
Jude: this.
Yeah, no, there's an element.
You know, I'll share that shit.
Like the insecurities that, well, I mean the most basic one is going to be, I've
talked to people like, oh, you should come on to the pod because I think
it'd make a guest to be knowledgeable.
And pretty much the response is, I don't know if I can hear my own voice.
Right.
So like, that's the first insecurity I have to, to just deal with and let go.
But there's others like, like my main one, my entire life has
just been this fear of this.
I don't know how else to put it like this intellectual inferiority and so
going and like overly talking about something that in the grand scheme
of things, the MCU could be trivial.
You know what I mean?
Like, um, but wanting to talk about it and taking the content seriously,
cause the creators take it seriously.
The actors who love these characters and, and really try to for the fans and the
original creators, bring these characters.
Do you take it seriously, right?
Like, and again, not, I'm not saying it's seriously in the sense of like
I'm watching, you know, a reenactment of world war two, like band of
brothers or something, but they take the muster raw material seriously.
And, and so wanting to talk about that as a fan, as someone
who loves it and try to bring.
My thoughts and take on it.
That is really scary.
Yeah.
You know,
Trey: to go out on that limb with you, like, I've definitely noticed an uptick
in it and I've been trying on me.
I should clarify real quick for, I go too far, an uptick in.
No, no, I read no, no, go be funny in an empty room.
Uh, now I'm sorry.
Jude: I've noticed that on a t-shirt
Trey: I've noticed an uptick in me and the way I will coach something
that I'm about to say by saying, yeah,
Jude: I either lost you or you fell out of your chair.
I heard something.
No.
It was like, I heard some noise and then I didn't hear you at all.
Like you just popped in.
And so I was like, did you fall out of his chair?
Like as a
Trey: tangent, I didn't hear what you, as a tangent here, what you were saying.
I'm so glad that we are doing this instead of the other episode, because
there has been some cutouts between us.
So I, it would have been really hard to follow you in a non minute episode.
Yeah,
Jude: I
Trey: know man.
But no, to get back to what I was saying.
I've noticed an uptick on me personally, and the way that I will coach something.
I'm about to say by saying, I understand it's just a Marvel show.
It's trivial, it's a Marvel thing in the grand scheme thing.
Like I've been doing that more.
And I kind of, I don't want to stop.
Like, I think there are instances where it is good to set that expectation, but
not trivialize the things we want to say.
Does that mean.
Jude: No, it makes sense.
Um, cause there's this element of, I think it's walking this fine line of it's
there's there's this element of being an escapist and these characters speak to
so many people and resonate with so many people, um, in various ways, like we've
joked about one of my students who does.
Like Sean cheat.
Right.
You know, and that you love Sean cheat.
Um, and the reality is like, that's a fine that movie doesn't have to work for him.
And it's just does wonders and connects with you on so many different levels.
Uh, you know, and, and, and, and that's, and that's great,
but there's, there's also this element of, you know, when is it?
I don't wanna say going too far cause that's not right.
But when is that, that barrier, like you said, of like, Hm.
I dunno, I, as I'm thinking this through my comment, I think that line
is becoming more and more blurred.
And I think that these are far more important than we
sometimes even get credit for.
If I get in the grand scheme of things, this is a Marvel movie and
we can talk about either bigger, greater issues right within the world.
But thinking about like some of the controversies coming around, casting.
Or recasting to challah or not the diversity we have started
seeing in casting, um, and character choices in like Hawkeye.
Predominantly women in black widow, uh, all of those types
of things, those aren't trivial.
Right.
You know?
And so, and so it's hard.
So in that sense, that, that line of it.
Oh, it's just a Marvel movie is it does blur a lot, especially when you hear
things about people who take their kid and they're like, oh, that's they, they.
That looks like me, or it looks like us or things like that.
Trivial.
And so, so even that, trying to that context, it's, it's,
I, I feel that tension you're
Trey: talking about.
Yeah.
It's a weird place to be in because, and I'll try and thread this
needle here, the content itself.
I can see how that is.
Trivial it's superhero shows the reaction that it spurs from people,
genuine reaction of like seeing themselves in it is not trivial and
because of our fandom and because of our ambitions of starting this
podcast, we have found ourselves at that crossroads of, of both of those worlds.
And there is some level of responsibility of threading that needle.
Jude: Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Trey: That's probably why we make jokes about like, let's just quit every week
Jude: behind the curtains.
So, what did you do this?
Like, I was, I got it.
Trey: Yeah.
That's, that's a, that is become a mainstay.
And I think it's gotten to the point where it is planned innovation, where we
are leaning into it, but it was funny.
We both felt that like, oh, we're making this joke a lot more than we used to.
Yeah.
Jude: Yeah.
But I mean, if we say that as you know, it sounds like, oh, we don't enjoy it.
No, this is not the case, but it is one of the things where it sounds so crazy,
but it's the wanting to do a good job.
And you're like, okay, so what's next?
What do we do next?
And trying to plan out, uh, the next couple of months who, you know,
who to bring on as guests who not just as a first time, but even,
even, you know, the recurring and.
You know, and making sure we get that right.
And, and all of that.
So it's, it is something that, you know, week to week and knowing our
personalities, we're very, both of us, um, are very different, but
also very the same in the sense of like, oh, we got to get this right.
So, yeah.
Trey: I'm going to set this up and you again have veto power if we
don't want to talk about this, but when better do we want to talk about
how we had a fight in this podcast?
The start of this?
No.
The whole changing the show.
Jude: Oh, sure.
I was thinking about like Mandalorian and Booka Bubba fat.
Oh no.
Okay.
I know what you're talking about.
Trey: So what better way to bring it up?
So a few weeks ago, uh, we got into this position where, and I'm going
to, again, stage this carefully.
We're happy with what we've made, but also recognize there
are ways that we can improve.
And we were in this gap between Hawkeye and moon night where we're
like, now's the time to do it.
Let's figure out how we're going to make these changes that we want to
hopefully better the show before we kick things off again with moon night
and we're back in that Marvel cycle.
And that got a lot more heated than we thought I thought, because we
ended up having to have a phone call and like air it out, back and forth.
And it's so like, cause we always tease about how like, oh, you know, we,
we fought on the show, like he liked Loki and he, yeah, he liked low-key
and he didn't, or he likes talking to a mineral soldier and he didn't, but
this was like a genuine like, oh, we're butting heads over creative differences.
Jude: It's so funny.
Cause I texted you the next morning.
How are you doing?
Are you okay?
She's like, yeah, I'm fine.
I was like, dude, don't do that.
I'm asking.
Well, I
Trey: don't think I told you because I started, I started like, yeah, I'm fine.
And I started typing, typing, typing, and I was like, wait,
let me go reread what you said.
And it was in that next day.
Clarity of rereading.
And I guess we can't get too much further.
Are you comfortable talking about what, what big decision we were.
Jude: Yeah.
Trey: Yeah.
So, yeah, cause again, I, there was
a,
Jude: you know what I mean, listening to it now.
When it drops to this drops on Monday, like we're just going
to kick on, like, that was a big decision, like this far removed.
Trey: That's why we can
Jude: talk about it now.
Yeah.
Fred, Fred, Daniel's going to, you know, and leach and you're gonna
be like, what really even made
Trey: it this morning.
It's like, oh, they're doing this again.
So one of the big chains.
And this also ties into what we're talking about.
What's the line between MCU or personality driven?
One of the changes that I pitched is I wanted to tighten things
up so far that whenever we do the hello, I'm Trey, I'm doing.
I wanted to jump right into the topic.
Like I just forego the banter, just get right to the point of what the episode is.
And so rereading the conversation that we had the next day I could see now
that it was just anger on my part, that misinterpreted what you said.
So to circle back to what you were saying, I was like, no, don't do that.
I was in the middle of typing along, out, uh, pointing finger kind of thing.
But after taking the time to like reread, it was like, no, I, I
understand what you're saying now.
And then we ended up talking later that day.
You said, we're gonna listen to this Monday and hear how trivial it is.
I'm listening to me now.
Now it's revealed.
Jude: Yeah.
Well, you know, I mean, it's okay.
Like it's, it happens.
Um, you know, just like I said, creative differences, I had different ideas of
what well, and it's so funny to me cause.
We had the same idea, just wanted it executed differently.
And.
You know, and it was good.
I mean, we needed, we needed that, that overnight sleep to, to return to it.
Um, but yeah,
Trey: but yeah, I, it was funny to me that I didn't think we could get out.
Like if the meta episode truly is a peek behind the curtain, I don't think we could
get out of that one without letting people know that we had our first podcast bites.
Yeah.
Jude: Yeah.
Which is so funny.
It's so funny.
It's like, it does make me wonder, like, just listening to other
podcasts, you know, that have.
Consistently a payer, how often that might happen with them, you know, um,
versus if it's just, you know, the Royal you alone, you know what I mean?
Like, well, I'll say it like, like, like what TK and so creatively,
I'm sure she has her people.
She talks to you and ask for advice and, and all that.
But ultimately it comes down to, she decides, and for us it's
very much, are we both on board?
And so I'm just wondering, you know, how often that happens with other.
On
Trey: casters, the two things, I'll say the first one, it reminds me.
I mean, isn't it like, uh, like, uh, an out there open secret that
the host of MythBusters actually hated each other kind of thing.
Kind of like, you never really know what the back end side of it is because
all you hear is the final product.
On top of that, you know, you, you related as to TK, that is something
that has been an adjustment for me because the previous projects that
I've done before, it was just me.
So it was always like that, like, okay, I've decided to do this
thing now I'm going to do it.
And it is something that I'm constantly trying to be conscious of because I never
want it to be like, I never want you to feel second fiddle, if that makes sense.
Like, I really try and make sure your loop.
I don't feel like that meant you were sweet.
Okay.
You may be so scared.
No, like I'm so I'm so scared.
Like I want to make sure that it feels equal to you too.
Like it's not like, oh, a hundred percent.
Cause I mean, like I, I have that tendency.
I will run away with an idea.
And it's been, I don't even want to say an adjustment more.
Cause I feel like we've gotten to a pretty good status that fight
pending, but it feels it was an adjustment for me, for sure.
To go to that partnership when it comes to a project.
Jude: Yeah.
No, and that, and that makes sense.
And, um, and it's so weird from the TV station and what I do now as a teacher,
I'm used to being in collaborative roles and creatively function
better that way than just by myself.
So in that sense, like it was it's, it's what I'm used to, if that makes sense.
So it's so funny.
You said people of the heart behind the curtains and the MythBusters.
When I worked at the TV station, I remember so vividly, and this was 2001.
I want to say.
I don't think it was 2000, it might've been 2001.
And like literally like new year's Eve broadcasting that, you know what I mean?
I think it was that I could be wrong.
So let me just drop the year.
Because it's irrelevant, I guess, but the two main anchors were so angry with
each other yelling or not on speaking terms, but camera's on there looking
forward and you know, just the banter, the smiling they're reading the news
and pitching it to weather and sports.
We go to commercial.
They're turning swiveling chairs.
They're back to back just off faces and crossed arms.
Wow.
And we're counting down, coming back from commercial.
Okay.
And 5, 4, 3, 2.
And at one that just like quickly swivel back and put on a smile.
And it was so funny to the rest of us, like in the booth and
behind camera and really trying not to laugh because we're all
Trey: like, listen, we can be funny in an empty room, but let's make sure
to never be angry at him and empty.
Jude: Oh man.
That's so, you know what I love about the episode.
I don't have to hide my eyes.
Oh, you still should.
No,
no, you're right.
I should.
No,
Trey: it's fine.
It's the meta episode.
I was just leaning back in my chair.
Your so it's going to sound different from the microphone.
So yeah, we're a
Jude: mess.
We are 40 minutes in.
Trey: Should we call
Jude: it here?
Yeah, I think this is a good matter.
Uh, thank you for indulging us on this.
MedApp is very good for us.
Uh, I think a good way actually, to end it might be a quick.
I don't say rundown because I don't want to be married to what's coming
out, but just to just a few things of what, what we have cooking.
Trey: Yeah.
And so I think I want to start here as far as this isn't necessarily a
tentative schedule that we're going to lease, but something we're trying to do,
and it's something we've always talked that we're trying to do, but I think
being a little bit more transparent about it here might help encourage.
If you're following us on social media, you know, that we have been
trying to tie questions to the episode that we are doing that week.
So for example, what you heard at the beginning of this episode,
we were supposed to be talking about the MCU villains and how
they fix their villain problem.
So we put out who's your favorite NCU villain.
And although we're still going to get to those responses,
whenever we do that episode fully.
I kind of wanted to set the stage of, there might be this cadence where one week
we ask people on social media, you know, a question pertaining to what we're going to
record, but if we're also bulk recording, uh, we're going to be putting some call
outs at the end of those episodes as well.
So hopefully we can create this loop of between people listening and the people
who were engaging on social media.
And I think.
It also will help alleviate the, the realization on my part.
Like not, everybody's going to use social media and that's totally fine.
We don't want to make them feel like they have to, but it will
give them an opportunity to maybe chime into the discord.
If it's people we know they can text us or give them a chance to participate as well.
So be on the lookout for those sorts of call-outs.
Jude: We do have.
With multi-verse madness coming up by doc to Dr.
Strange episodes.
I think we're looking into doing one just the movie itself and then kind
of a, what you need to know about Dr.
Strange, going in excited about moon night indefinitely.
We've had talks about what's the best way to finish up the capture
trilogy, uh, was civil war.
And maybe a trilogy showdown.
Yeah.
At some point I
Trey: think we even talked about potentially doing something
related to Spiderman whenever that hits, uh, the video on demand.
Uh, so yeah, that might be something we're, uh, double-dipping in and as well.
Which by the way I, if I can have a quick tangent within the tangent of an episode,
if you're paying attention to the feed, we put out an episode at the beginning of
this year with TK, which was essentially our top five scenes of the Marvel
cinematic universe in 2021, I should add.
And what I also did, what I pitched was on that following Wednesday to do an
edit of that episode that took out all the Spiderman, no way home references
and spoilers, so that somebody who had not seen that movie yet could be able to
listen and get it on the fund without fear of spoilers, just because I understood,
you know, with COVID and everything, not everybody's comfortable going
back to the theaters, all that to say.
I don't think I ever gotten to properly credit, uh, leech, uh, Lito for helping,
uh, because she listened to that episode a few times to help comb through and
assure that there was no spoilers.
Um, so I just wanted to make sure that I carved out time
to thank her for that as well.
Cause that was, uh, that was greatly appreciated.
Jude: Yeah.
Well, you know what, I, there's a number and I know we're winding it
down, so I'm not going to go, but there are a number of people that.
Help us, you know, Nick, Sandy mentioned every, all the time, leech as much
as we talk about Fran Daniel, the conversations we have outside of that,
the, that helps us with the show.
Um, and some others that we could, you know, definitely go to list on.
And I think that net gets wider and wider as we meet more other,
uh, more other more podcasters.
But yes, at least for us, you know, it's definitely not a forgotten
and much appreciated any help we do receive on putting the
Trey: show together.
It's something we don't get to do nearly enough, but if you're listening
one, if you're listening, thank you.
But two, if you're listening and you.
And you know who you are, you've helped shape the show.
Thank you so much because, uh, it is, it is, you know, we've always made that joke.
Like we wouldn't have been able to do this if it wasn't between us and swapping
the edits week to week, as this continues to grow, that is, uh, of further support
system, uh, that we were thankful for.
Yeah.
Jude: Great.
Take us out.
Trey: All right.
Well, uh, like you said, I think this is going to be a good place to wrap it up.
Uh, so I mentioned social media, if you're not already make sure you're
following us at MC you need to know both on Twitter and Instagram.
Uh, we've been doing great work to put up quotes from the show.
Uh, I say quotes are more audio.
Uh, we've been doing questions for people to chime in both pertaining
to the episode and things that may be in the episode as well.
Uh, and once we get going again with moon night, uh, we're going to be doing some
things where you can help shape the show by picking titles and, uh, voting on which
one you think should be our podcast title.
Jude: Yeah.
In the meantime, share with a friend, uh, or.
Let's go down to the bottom, give us a rating and review.
I believe apple podcasts does that.
Uh, so to Spotify and some others, but those are.
Um, two of the more prominent ones, um, which is weird, cause
I had two of the prominent ones, not even one of you for listening.
Uh, so, so if you don't listen on those, we know you're out there.
Uh, but yeah, and also of course, click on the discord, come join us,
have wonderful conversations with others on a variety of, of topics.
And you might find that.
Broadcasters in there from the caption life and OCI podcast, TK from there was
an idea pops in every once in a while.
So yeah.
Come join us.
Talk him.
See you talk other things
Trey: daily Wordle.
Jude: Yes.
As long as it's still not behind a paywall.
Trey: Yeah.
We'd also like to thank Nick Sandy for the use of our theme song, which is
his rendition of the Avengers theme.
You can find more of his work on the SoundCloud at which is
linked in the show notes as well.
Well, that's going to do it.
Thank you so much for listening and Jude.
Thank you so much for doing this.
Jude: We'll see you all next week.
Trey: That's not bad for not wanting to do a medic.
Jude: Not going to do a meta episode.
Oh, my God.
It was just enough.
Trey: It was, it was that's how it works.
I mean, they, you never plan them.
You just feel them.
And my in credibly weird need to find new ways to reinvent the Metta FSA.
We're just say reinvent.
It's just new ways to kick it off.
Jude: Yeah.
So do we choose a theme song twice?
Yes, of course.
Yeah.
Trey: You can hear how precious it is to me and the way I just said, of course.
Jude: Yeah.
Oh, real.
Trey: All right.
Well I think that's it.