What if the real reason your product isn’t scaling isn’t marketing, but the fact that it’s just not good enough?
Ben Van Leeuwen built his business around a simple idea: if you make something truly exceptional, people come back and they tell others.
In this conversation, we get into why supply chain is the most overlooked driver of margin, how “affordable luxury” creates reach without dilution, and why word-of-mouth still outperforms most paid growth.
If you’re building in a crowded market, this is about raising the bar, and keeping it there.
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