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I'm Travis Bader
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All right.

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Here's the much
anticipated part

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two of the urban
awareness podcasts

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that we've recorded a
couple of weeks ago.

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Now we decided to break
it down into three parts

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before the incident,
during the incident

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and after the incident.

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And we've actually
received a fair bit of

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feedback from the first
podcast that came out.

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And we're going to
be talking about that

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a little bit in this
podcast, but the crux

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of this prod cast
episode here will

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be some suggestions
on what to do if you

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are in an incident,
the during stage.

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And, you know, we talked
about some other colors

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and in our first podcast,
it was a big emphasis

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on yellow and orange.

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Today it's red and
contrary to everything

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you've ever learned.

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Red is go, red is go,
and we're going to

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learn how we make red
as the go, or learn.

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We're going
to discuss it.

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This is not a, this is
not a training thing,

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this is a discussion.

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Now I should shut
out right at the

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very beginning.

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One of the people I
spoke with is, uh, he's

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an ex British special
forces, uh, individual

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who's written a book on
this topic about what

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we're talking about now.

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He hasn't published a
book yet, but he's in

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the process of getting
it published, but he has

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a social media account
called sixsight.co

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S I X S I G H t.co.

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And if you go on his
TikTok account or on his

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Instagram account, You're
going to see a whole ton

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of useful information,
broken down into just

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little bite sized chunks
and you'll take some

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videos and you'll look
at it and I'd recommend

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anybody after listening
to this, check that out.

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Okay.

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I also had a, uh, an
individual call up

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Paul, were talking
about this earlier and

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he works for the Range
Langley, fantastic range.

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I'd recommend anybody
in the lower mainland

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or anyone visiting
the lower mainland.

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Go check out The
Range Langley.

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You don't even need to
have a firearms license,

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you can rent firearms,
you can use them there.

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But, uh, this fellow,
Jared, he's a range

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officer there and he
was sitting in a Browns.

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What is it?

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socialhouse, browns pub.

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Brown socialhouse,
I guess.

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Brown socialhouse.

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There's a plug for
brown socialhouse.

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I guess so, out in
Burnaby and this was

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2017 and there was a
shooting that happened

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right in front of him.

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And he was on a
date at the time.

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So we'll talk a little
bit about the, that

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incident or what
he relayed in it.

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In the during, as well
as we'll touch a little

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bit on the after and
then get into more

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of the next podcast.

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Yeah.

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And I think it's
important before we

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get into this, too,
just to talk about the

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impressions that we
got from the listeners.

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And one of the
things was, you

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know, people said,
oh Jesus, all great.

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You know, uh, if it's a
shooting or a stabbing or

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a, an active, um, type of
situation like that, but

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this needs to, you know,
open your mind here.

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This, this applies
to, uh, an individual

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assault, this applies
to you're out for a

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jog, uh, and somebody
starts to jog with

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you or follow you, uh,
you know, leading to

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a potential robbery
or sexual assault,

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any, anything that is
of a traumatic event.

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At the, you know, sort
of at the behest of

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somebody who has evil
intent, we really have

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to, you know, emphasize
this is not, you

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know, training for the
accidental occurrence.

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This is not for the,
you know, trip and

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fall type of thing.

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This is where somebody
has evil intent and

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you need to be able to,
you know, avoid that.

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And that's where
we're going with this.

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So it, you know, again,
uh, you're out there

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walking your dog fluffy
and, uh, coming the

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other way is the urban
wolf on the end of

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somebody's chain and,
you know, understanding

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what happens if all of
a sudden that that pit

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bull turns and starts
to take your fluffy

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apart, how are you, you
know, are you, have you

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got a plan beforehand?

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And I'm not here to talk
from a dog's trainer's

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perspective, but, you
know, do you have a plan?

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What, what you
going to do?

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If, if fluffy gets
attacked, what's the

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right thing to do.

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So, you know, again,
that can be as traumatic

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as, that can be
probably to some people,

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even more traumatic
than them getting

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attack themselves so.

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You know, the difficult
part I had when kind of

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formulating my thoughts
on all of this is that

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almost everything that
we talk about can also go

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into the, before podcasts
and trying to separate

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the during and the after,
because all of the points

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that we talk about in
during are something that

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you should be mentally
prepared for before.

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Right.

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And things that happen
after you should have a

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plan, beforehand, of how
you would deal with these

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things in the aftermath,
because there's, there's

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a lot to the, after.

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Yes.

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And I mean, we are,
you know, in the

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during, this is the
execution of the plan.

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Now the, you know,
at this point we

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have recognized that
there is potential.

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It's a, and we're not
looking for it to happen,

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we just are recognizing
that it could.

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Uh, this is not
this, when it will

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happen, this, it could
happen and are you

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ready when it could?

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So planning, we've
recognized that

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it could happen.

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We've recognized that
we're going to take steps

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uh, once we recognize a
situation has changed,

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that no longer are we,
you know, in our day to

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day, we're moving from
code yellow to  code

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orange, we see, you
know, there's potential

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for something to change.

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And now, it's gone off,
the, off, it's it's it's

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now imminent, imminent,
real, and a direct

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threat to yourself, your
family, your dog, uh,

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whatever the case may be.

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Right.

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And how are you going
to go into that?

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So red is go.

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Red is absolutely go.

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When you find yourself
going, there's no

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getting out of this at
this point, I've got a

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flee, uh, and like, not
just walk away, flea,

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not cross the street.

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As we talked about
in code orange, this

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is as fast as your
legs can move you.

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Uh, you must get out
of the attack zone, uh,

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the threat zone that's,
that's there and, and

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menacing, you know, your
potential wellbeing.

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And that means all
the things that

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you thought about.

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As you were in code
orange, looking for

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your escape route,
you're now execute.

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So over that planter, uh,
around the car, behind

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the car to get out of,
you know, some ballistic

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protection, if it's, if
it's a firearm situation

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to get physical distance.

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If it's a blade, uh,
to, you know, to avoid

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that, get out of physical
reach, um, start calling

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for help as well is
another part of that.

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You know, plan that
you've had before

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all of these things.

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And done without
emotion, like, oh, this

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will be embarrassing
if I start yelling

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for help, forget that.

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It's, it's now to the
point where you're going

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to yell for help, you're
going to scream at

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the top of your lungs.

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You're going to make the
biggest scene you can,

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you know, if somebody's
physically trying to

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take your wallet to,
to molest you, to,

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you know, pull your
child out of your arms.

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To hurt you, to
do damage to.

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Yes!

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You or harm you and
the ones you love.

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You've got to completely,
uh, eliminate your

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ego about ohh, what
will people think

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of me if I do that?

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Well, that part has,
has, has left, uh,

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that scenario you are
now in it for good.

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I've heard that one a
lot from people coming

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back as being a barrier
to acting properly,

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was the fact that they
were embarrassed of

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looking foolish or not
doing the right thing.

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And that led to inaction.

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Absolutely.

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And I, I have seen that
not a lot, but I have

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seen that, uh, in uniform
police officers, on duty

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police officers, where
they are not acting to

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the full, you know, uh,
efficiency at that moment

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because of what are other
people going to think?

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And they've got all
the eyes on them.

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That's right.

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And they've got all
the after repercussions

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as well, looming
in their head.

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Which is maybe something
we're going to, you know,

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in-law, not we, I'm out
of it, but those who

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are the trainers for law
enforcement going to have

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to address, is this, you
know, reservation as a

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result of what appears
to be immediate lack of

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support for the police.

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I still believe that, you
know, Jane and, and, uh,

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Joel Canadian and, you
know, the, the citizens

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out there think the cops
are doing a good job

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and are wholly behind
them, but they're just

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not voicing that enough
for the, for the good

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people, law enforcement
to realize it.

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However, getting back
to that, um, when the

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moment comes, your
ego leaves, you do

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everything you can.

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Um, we are still heavy
emphasis on what our

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discussion here is for
an armed or an unarmed

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civilian in society.

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We are not talking armed
service personnel, either

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military or police.

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That's not the purpose of
what we're saying here.

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So now within
physical limitations,

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if it's, if it's.

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Within your ability
to fight off the

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situation, then you do
it and you fight with

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such determination and
drive that whatever

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the situation is, you
fight till it stops.

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Now, legally you've,
you've thought about that

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beforehand, because you
can use as much force as

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is necessary to stop that
assault, but no more.

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No more.

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That's a bit of a
tightrope isn't it.

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Right, and, and when
we think about this is,

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you know, the desire,
once your attacker is

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down to start laying the
boots to them, this is

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what separates us from
those kinds of people.

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Honestly, uh, when the
person is down and the

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situation is ended, maybe
now just withdraw and,

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you know, and, and get
away from them, you know,

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you've, you've, you've
stopped that assault.

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That's, that's another
thing, but that,

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that desire to think
you should sit there

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and make them pay,
that's not up to you.

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That's, you know, in,
uh, in our society.

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However, society
completely allows

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you to stop something
that's happening to you.

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So you've, you've
actually touched on a

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whole bunch of points
in just that short

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little bit of time.

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Uh, I think anybody
who's going to find

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themselves in this
situation should be

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completely prepared for
the adrenal dump and the

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physiological effects and
the psychophysiological

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effects of that
adrenal dump.

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Of feeling like they're
operating in slow motion

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of not being able to
articulate their thoughts

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well, or to really think
as well as they normally

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would in an, in their
pre training situation.

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Yes.

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So the, the physical, or
the physiological effects

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of visual narrowing,
auditory exclusion, uh,

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the adrenaline dump of,
you know, near superhuman

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strength that you never
thought you had, those

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are all good things,
like even, you know,

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you're so scared you,
you wet your pants, but

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you gotta think now,
well, I don't have to

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worry about that anymore.

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That's over, you know,
that that's the, the,

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the ego side, but,
you know, I try not

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to make light of it.

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You know.

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Nobody wants to fight the
person who just crapped

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themselves, right?

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That's, that is, that's
or throw up, boy,

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I'll tell you there's,
you know, a lot to be

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said, if, if you feel
physically ill and can

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throw up, that might
stop somebody wanting

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to hang onto you or
touch you, you know,

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that, that revulsion
that they would find.

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It, it sounds funny and
it's not something a

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lot of people thought
about, but that's it.

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If that's, if that's
your, uh, you know,

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the, the arrow that
you have in the quiver

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at that time, draw
that arrow in fire it,

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you know, it's there.

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If you've been fortunate
to have maybe taken some

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form of, of martial art
or you're just good with

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your hands and you think
that you can overpower

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your attacker, man, this
is the time to do it and

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do it with efficiency.

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No, no half measures.

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A punch to stop the
assault, not a punch just

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for the sake of a punch.

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And that's, that's
another thing I've

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seen a lot of in my
experience is, not

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hitting hard enough.

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You know, when, when it
goes to trial later and,

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and you're concerned
about, you know,

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explaining yourself,
cause you're what we

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would call a nice person,
a normal person, property

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raised, good parents.

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You don't want to look
at the judge and say,

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yeah, you know, I, I
had him, your honor.

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And of course the
defense says, well, how

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hard did you hit him?

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Well I didn't want
to hit him too hard.

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No, the answer is, I hit
him as hard as I could

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at that moment to try
and stop the assault.

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And, and again, don't let
your ego hold you back.

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It's the point though,
where you recognize

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that you've stopped
it, that you have to

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break yourself away.

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So when we talk about
getting in a physical

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altercation, I've
always found space

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or distance is your
friend in all of this.

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And it's all about either
increasing that distance,

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you got reactionary gaps,
so you can start to make

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some better decisions
because of threats a

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little bit further away.

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Or decreasing that
reactionary gap.

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If you've made that
decision to go hands-on

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because a lot of times,
if someone's going to

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be trying to hurt you
and they're using their

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hands, or they're using
a weapon, decreasing

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that distance will put
you in a safer zone.

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For example, a baseball
bat, there is a very

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dangerous area of
someone's swinging

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a baseball bat and
that's going to be at

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the tip of that bat.

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If you can get far
enough away that the bat

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doesn't hit you at all.

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Perfect.

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If you can't get in
tight, get in close, get

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hands on and do whatever
you have pre-conditioned

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yourself to, to try
and stop that threat.

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And if that just means
grabbing onto the

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person and holding them
until other people can

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come in and help you.

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Then that's,
that's what you do.

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And the other thing
that you brought up

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Paul, which I think is
of huge importance was

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what, in the policing
world, they called

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tactical communication.

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Use your voice.

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If that means yelling
and screaming and just

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to get eyes on you.

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Great.

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But if you can use
that time to articulate

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something such as go
away, leave me alone.

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Don't touch me.

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You're not, if someone's
pretending that let's

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say you're a female and
someone's pretending

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that you're their
husband or boyfriend,

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you're not my husband,
you're not my boyfriend.

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Get, make it clear to
everybody else around

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what's happening, because
you're doing two things.

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You're hoping to get
a desired effect out

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of the individual and
maybe they'll comply and

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you've, you could use
your voice in order to

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prevent having to use
physical harm, but you're

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also creating witnesses.

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Yes.

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And, and what you're
saying there too is, we

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are talking to the people
out there and we're

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saying, you're going to
recognize that this stuff

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could happen, you're
going to have a plan.

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You're going to be
ahead of yourself

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because you've
thought about that.

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But you yelling,
you're not my husband.

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You're not, I don't
know you, this man does,

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this has, help me, help
me, is going to maybe

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draw somebody else in
that's thinking, oh

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my God, this is real,
what I'm seeing here.

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Right.

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And maybe that's going
to cause them to react.

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In society, they're
sheep, there's wolves

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and there's sheepdogs.

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And this is just
the way it is.

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Not every sheep dog
wears a uniform.

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Not every sheep dog
has had training.

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Sheepdog is inside,
it's in your heart.

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And there are people
that, you know, it

00:16:46.395 --> 00:16:48.375
doesn't take much and
suddenly that inner

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sheepdog comes up.

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A mother and her child,
is one of those things.

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That, again, I see, man,
you threaten a child

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around that child's
mother and there's a

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woman who's not formally
trained in everything.

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That's a person who
can go into code

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red quite easily.

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And for, you know,
without any formal

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training, really take
care of business at that

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time, do the right thing.

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We talk, at length about
exiting the situation,

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you know, plan of escape,
but you know what, there

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are just some people that
are, aren't going to do

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that they are sheepdog.

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They're going to
take care of other

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people, people they
don't even know.

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You know, we often have
words for them like

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heroes, you know, like
that person was a hero.

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That was a person
that has that inner

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sheepdog, and it, and
it gets out in that

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moment and they, they,
you know, bless them.

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They put their,
their, others ahead

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of themselves in the
moment and that's

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going to happen.

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Not, you know, not
everybody is going to

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run away, but if it
comes down to it, if

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it's you or somebody
else, you gotta pick

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you and your family.

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Right.

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You gotta.

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Right.

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You know, that's the
most important thing.

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And, uh, but again,
make it real, get

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rid of that ego.

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Absolutely anything
you think that, that,

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uh, you can, you can
offer up that will make

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other people realize
that they need to

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get involved in that?

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You know.

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One thing that I, I find
often is that people

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will mentally prepare,
they will physically

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condition themselves.

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They'll make sure they've
got the cardiovascular

00:18:23.615 --> 00:18:26.375
strength to be able
to go a few rounds of

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somebody and come out on
top because quite often

00:18:28.325 --> 00:18:30.335
fights are just won by
the person with the best

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cardio, not necessarily
the most technique or

00:18:33.185 --> 00:18:34.355
the strongest individual.

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But in that whole quiver
of arrows that they have,

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uh, they should always
be keeping in mind, is

00:18:43.145 --> 00:18:46.085
there a possible way to
deescalate the situation,

00:18:46.535 --> 00:18:50.715
but they shouldn't
hold that so close

00:18:50.745 --> 00:18:52.784
that all they're trying
to do is deescalate.

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It's a, there is a fine
line between training

00:18:55.485 --> 00:18:59.085
a person to be a sheep
and training them to

00:18:59.085 --> 00:19:01.335
be a sheepdog, or just
training that person

00:19:01.335 --> 00:19:03.915
to be a wolf , because
you can, you can give

00:19:03.915 --> 00:19:05.985
so much information out
there that everyone just

00:19:05.985 --> 00:19:07.784
leaves and they're just
ready for the fight and

00:19:07.784 --> 00:19:09.284
they're ready for the
next thing that happens.

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So looking to deescalate,
but not having that

00:19:13.485 --> 00:19:17.355
as the hindering block
to, uh, to actually

00:19:17.355 --> 00:19:18.315
having some action.

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And in a lot of
cases, hopefully the

00:19:20.554 --> 00:19:23.820
deescalation occurred
in code orange.

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The deescalation was by
taking opportunity away.

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And at that point
actually creating

00:19:31.620 --> 00:19:34.260
sufficient physical
distance or a barrier,

00:19:34.590 --> 00:19:36.720
uh, that stopped
that initial attack.

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But now we're talking
the attack is on

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and I totally agree.

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You get some distance
we'll give you time.

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Time will give you the
chance to think, but

00:19:46.020 --> 00:19:48.990
it can work against
you in giving your

00:19:48.990 --> 00:19:53.070
adversary time now to
think, and they can re

00:19:53.190 --> 00:19:57.030
um, renew their assault
with a little bit more

00:19:57.030 --> 00:19:58.020
planning on their part.

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Remember, everybody's
suffering this

00:20:00.570 --> 00:20:05.670
extreme, emotional,
um, effected at that

00:20:05.670 --> 00:20:08.610
time, the attacker,
the, the victim or the

00:20:08.610 --> 00:20:09.720
person being attacked.

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It, it, it is
all there, right?

00:20:12.600 --> 00:20:15.615
You can, you know,
ever watch a little

00:20:15.615 --> 00:20:19.125
dog that gets attacked
by a much bigger dog.

00:20:19.425 --> 00:20:22.305
And the, the bigger dog
comes in, recognizes

00:20:22.305 --> 00:20:25.035
that, you know, it's,
it's got that, you know,

00:20:25.035 --> 00:20:27.585
superior strength and
size and everything else.

00:20:27.825 --> 00:20:31.835
But the little dog
goes absolutely bizerk.

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He bears his teeth,
he opens his eyes,

00:20:35.475 --> 00:20:38.625
his eyes roll back and
he doesn't run away.

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He just keeps screaming.

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And it's, you know, the
sounds that come out of

00:20:41.895 --> 00:20:43.975
that little dog or like,
you know, and you watch

00:20:43.975 --> 00:20:46.995
the big dog go that was
not what I expected.

00:20:47.625 --> 00:20:49.815
And that is who
you got to beat.

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You got to not be
what they expected.

00:20:53.385 --> 00:20:56.625
The wolf expects you
to just, you know,

00:20:56.625 --> 00:20:59.025
once they're grabbed
to maybe offer some,

00:20:59.355 --> 00:21:01.935
you know, ineffective
resistance and that's it.

00:21:03.765 --> 00:21:06.105
We're not here to train
people, you know, in

00:21:06.105 --> 00:21:09.929
physical defense, you
know, or, or techniques

00:21:09.929 --> 00:21:10.500
or anything else.

00:21:10.530 --> 00:21:10.740
Right.

00:21:11.070 --> 00:21:14.399
But even though you've
never thought about it

00:21:14.399 --> 00:21:18.120
before, never got, you
know, hands-on with

00:21:18.120 --> 00:21:20.040
another person, you
got to remember the

00:21:20.040 --> 00:21:21.570
eyes of your attacker.

00:21:22.620 --> 00:21:25.169
If you don't have
distance and you are

00:21:25.169 --> 00:21:27.929
close, you gotta, as
you're screaming, think

00:21:27.929 --> 00:21:30.120
about, oh man, the
screaming is not making

00:21:30.120 --> 00:21:31.260
this person let go.

00:21:31.530 --> 00:21:33.209
It's not slowing
the attack.

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You might now have
to get physical.

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And the simplest thing,
if your hands are free

00:21:39.330 --> 00:21:42.389
and your thumb with its
two solid joints is to

00:21:42.389 --> 00:21:45.810
make that thumb straight,
lay the flat of your hand

00:21:45.810 --> 00:21:48.600
against the side of a
person's head and push

00:21:48.600 --> 00:21:52.439
your thumbs as far into
their eyes, as you can.

00:21:52.949 --> 00:21:56.895
And as much as you know,
people can take steroids

00:21:56.895 --> 00:21:57.705
and lift weights.

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Uh, we don't see too
many people except

00:21:59.865 --> 00:22:01.755
real showman that
are lifting weights

00:22:01.755 --> 00:22:02.565
with their eyelids.

00:22:02.565 --> 00:22:04.725
You can force your thumb
through that eyelid.

00:22:05.025 --> 00:22:07.005
You can get in there
and that threat or

00:22:07.005 --> 00:22:11.055
that attack to the eye,
hopefully can give you

00:22:11.295 --> 00:22:14.595
some time, get some
distance, distance

00:22:14.655 --> 00:22:16.785
and time they're
interrelated, you know.

00:22:17.025 --> 00:22:21.150
And it's not like on TV,
it's not like, thumb goes

00:22:21.150 --> 00:22:22.500
in the eye, eyes done.

00:22:22.500 --> 00:22:23.010
It's out.

00:22:23.430 --> 00:22:26.490
I've had my thumb about
halfway into a person's

00:22:26.490 --> 00:22:29.640
eye before thinking, for
sure this person is going

00:22:29.640 --> 00:22:30.930
to be blind afterwards.

00:22:31.020 --> 00:22:31.740
And nope.

00:22:31.920 --> 00:22:34.020
When the thumb came out
and the person got off

00:22:34.020 --> 00:22:35.760
it, and that, that gets
a person out of your

00:22:35.760 --> 00:22:36.870
face pretty damn quick.

00:22:36.900 --> 00:22:37.140
Yeah.

00:22:37.320 --> 00:22:42.300
Uh, he had a cut under
his eye and his eye went

00:22:42.300 --> 00:22:43.260
right back into place.

00:22:43.689 --> 00:22:45.159
But it's a
very unpleasant

00:22:45.159 --> 00:22:46.060
feeling I'm sure.

00:22:46.210 --> 00:22:46.780
At the moment.

00:22:46.780 --> 00:22:48.550
From the way that that
individual reacted.

00:22:48.570 --> 00:22:48.689
Yeah.

00:22:49.379 --> 00:22:51.659
And we all can relate
to the, you know, the

00:22:51.659 --> 00:22:54.179
bang on the tip of the
nose and, you know,

00:22:54.600 --> 00:22:57.929
a flat palm driven
into the tip of the

00:22:57.929 --> 00:23:00.300
nose and just start
turning that cartilage

00:23:00.300 --> 00:23:01.080
round and round.

00:23:01.080 --> 00:23:03.540
And I mean, it does
absolutely nothing to

00:23:03.540 --> 00:23:06.120
somebody who's a, you
know, a serious fighter.

00:23:06.120 --> 00:23:08.370
Who's had their nose
broken lots of times, but

00:23:08.370 --> 00:23:11.520
the average person, if,
you know, particularly

00:23:11.520 --> 00:23:13.889
if it's a, it, if it is
a true coward, that's

00:23:13.889 --> 00:23:16.590
there to, uh, attack
a smaller person.

00:23:17.040 --> 00:23:19.740
They probably have not
and that might be enough

00:23:19.740 --> 00:23:20.939
to distract them as well.

00:23:21.179 --> 00:23:23.370
But the triangle between
the eyes and the tip

00:23:23.370 --> 00:23:26.370
of the nose, if your
hands are free, you

00:23:26.370 --> 00:23:27.990
know, and that's the
best we can offer up

00:23:27.990 --> 00:23:30.210
on this, you know,
this podcast, right?

00:23:30.270 --> 00:23:32.970
The rest of it can
be followed up by a

00:23:32.970 --> 00:23:35.189
host of individuals
that are out there.

00:23:35.280 --> 00:23:37.020
And maybe just
think, what's not

00:23:37.020 --> 00:23:38.280
allowed in the UFC.

00:23:38.925 --> 00:23:40.365
And maybe there's
a reason why.

00:23:41.205 --> 00:23:42.365
Or, yeah, that's right.

00:23:42.365 --> 00:23:42.555
Any.

00:23:42.555 --> 00:23:44.504
Grabbin' the hair, if
the person has hair.

00:23:44.595 --> 00:23:44.835
Yep.

00:23:45.285 --> 00:23:49.985
I've broken fingers on
hair before from, from

00:23:49.985 --> 00:23:52.775
being in an altercation,
but it's really difficult

00:23:52.805 --> 00:23:56.975
to keep a head up and
for a person, typically

00:23:56.975 --> 00:23:59.225
they don't have much
muscle in their neck

00:23:59.254 --> 00:24:01.685
and you can really
control an individual

00:24:01.925 --> 00:24:04.205
through doing the things
that they tell you

00:24:04.235 --> 00:24:08.024
not to do in organized
professional events.

00:24:08.085 --> 00:24:08.685
Biting, yeah.

00:24:08.745 --> 00:24:09.874
That's cheating.

00:24:10.575 --> 00:24:10.875
Yeah.

00:24:11.264 --> 00:24:14.175
Well, there's no
cheating in code red.

00:24:14.385 --> 00:24:14.985
And that's it.

00:24:15.135 --> 00:24:18.975
There's no rules in
code red, except when

00:24:18.975 --> 00:24:22.034
you've stopped the
attack on you, you

00:24:22.034 --> 00:24:23.804
must then withdraw.

00:24:23.835 --> 00:24:27.044
You must, not withdraw,
but you cannot continue

00:24:27.044 --> 00:24:28.995
to, you know, to
finish somebody off.

00:24:29.145 --> 00:24:33.314
It's it's just that,
is that's the only

00:24:33.314 --> 00:24:34.245
rule we have here.

00:24:34.534 --> 00:24:36.155
Tell me this, Paul,
quite often people

00:24:36.155 --> 00:24:38.585
say, well, you got to
meet force with force.

00:24:38.855 --> 00:24:39.845
What do you
think about that?

00:24:41.495 --> 00:24:42.425
Equal force.

00:24:42.425 --> 00:24:42.995
If someone.

00:24:42.995 --> 00:24:43.274
No.

00:24:43.355 --> 00:24:46.325
The, your force must
multiply you, you

00:24:46.325 --> 00:24:48.095
know, you've got to hit
twice as hard for it.

00:24:48.125 --> 00:24:49.175
That's the only
way to go over it.

00:24:49.205 --> 00:24:52.985
I mean, in law
enforcement, um, the

00:24:52.985 --> 00:24:56.735
need to control an
individual is, is, is,

00:24:56.885 --> 00:24:59.165
you know, addressed
in the gymnasium in,

00:24:59.165 --> 00:25:01.745
you know, or the, the
dojo if somebody is

00:25:01.754 --> 00:25:06.240
taking formal martial
arts and what it takes

00:25:06.270 --> 00:25:10.410
in a traditional sense
to disable or overcome

00:25:10.410 --> 00:25:12.060
somebody is shocking.

00:25:13.110 --> 00:25:15.840
Like when people think,
oh yeah, you know, in the

00:25:15.840 --> 00:25:18.630
gym and you have a big
padded stick and you say,

00:25:18.630 --> 00:25:21.450
all right, we're going to
strike him on the thigh.

00:25:21.480 --> 00:25:23.670
And that's going to
cause the thigh to buckle

00:25:23.670 --> 00:25:26.550
and away it goes, is
great, until you finally

00:25:26.550 --> 00:25:31.260
figure out that this
stuff, you gotta hit way

00:25:31.260 --> 00:25:35.550
harder than you ever got
hit or hit somebody in

00:25:35.550 --> 00:25:36.660
training for it to work.

00:25:36.660 --> 00:25:40.170
And that's, again, that
ego thing, you got a

00:25:40.170 --> 00:25:44.730
really, you know, it's
no, unless you have

00:25:44.730 --> 00:25:46.610
that training, you
know, you've, you've

00:25:46.650 --> 00:25:49.140
got to hit way harder
than you expected.

00:25:49.140 --> 00:25:52.020
You've got to push
yourself to your absolute

00:25:52.020 --> 00:25:53.850
limits until it stops.

00:25:54.390 --> 00:25:55.260
And don't be afraid.

00:25:55.740 --> 00:25:57.060
And that's where the
trading sometimes

00:25:57.060 --> 00:25:57.780
falls apart.

00:25:58.290 --> 00:26:00.840
When people are
training in a martial

00:26:00.840 --> 00:26:03.600
art, that's an art and
it's great, and it's

00:26:03.600 --> 00:26:05.610
great for mental and
physical conditioning.

00:26:05.820 --> 00:26:10.409
But when they continually
train, I hit you here,

00:26:10.409 --> 00:26:12.030
you go down, we do this.

00:26:12.030 --> 00:26:15.510
You hit me here, or I
punch, you block and

00:26:15.510 --> 00:26:18.480
you start getting this
training mindset of,

00:26:18.510 --> 00:26:20.760
well, when I throw my
punch, I'm not throwing

00:26:20.760 --> 00:26:23.379
to connect because he's
got, my opponents, got

00:26:23.379 --> 00:26:25.500
a practice their block.

00:26:26.550 --> 00:26:29.459
You can really ingrain
some negative effects

00:26:29.459 --> 00:26:32.310
from this training,
that whole mental

00:26:32.310 --> 00:26:33.360
detachment and.

00:26:34.335 --> 00:26:37.185
You've said it so many
times now, absolute

00:26:37.245 --> 00:26:39.975
ruthless aggression,
being able to take

00:26:39.975 --> 00:26:42.705
their mind and say,
I'm not stopping

00:26:42.855 --> 00:26:43.814
until this is over.

00:26:44.165 --> 00:26:44.645
Right.

00:26:45.485 --> 00:26:49.895
And that, that is
really, uh, difficult

00:26:51.314 --> 00:26:53.564
thing to, you know,
to invoke, cause

00:26:53.564 --> 00:26:57.014
it's not an emotion,
it's just, it's raw.

00:26:57.074 --> 00:26:58.754
It is completely raw.

00:26:59.084 --> 00:27:01.215
It's taking how
you've trained, what

00:27:01.215 --> 00:27:03.195
you know, what you
have in your skillset

00:27:03.645 --> 00:27:04.845
and utilizing it.

00:27:05.024 --> 00:27:05.595
Okay.

00:27:06.105 --> 00:27:09.135
Um, and I'm totally
trying to avoid, you

00:27:09.135 --> 00:27:11.415
know, firearms in
this whole thing.

00:27:11.455 --> 00:27:12.405
They're like, that's.

00:27:13.355 --> 00:27:14.465
Well, that's your
background, you're a

00:27:14.465 --> 00:27:16.475
firearms instructor, so
it's easy to go to that.

00:27:16.595 --> 00:27:18.215
And I want to take out,
you know, the use of

00:27:18.215 --> 00:27:20.584
a blade in response to
an attack, you know,

00:27:20.584 --> 00:27:24.125
that's, those are all
things that, uh, we

00:27:24.125 --> 00:27:25.655
can't advocate here.

00:27:25.655 --> 00:27:28.955
You, you can't tell
somebody that that is

00:27:28.955 --> 00:27:31.955
the right thing to do
because we're, you know,

00:27:31.955 --> 00:27:33.095
this is Canadian law.

00:27:33.125 --> 00:27:33.635
This is it.

00:27:33.665 --> 00:27:36.875
You, you are allowed a
weapon of opportunity

00:27:36.875 --> 00:27:37.834
by all means.

00:27:38.225 --> 00:27:40.324
So somebody is attacking
you with a baseball

00:27:40.324 --> 00:27:42.905
bat and they drop
the baseball bat.

00:27:43.785 --> 00:27:46.275
And they're ready to
take you on a, with

00:27:46.275 --> 00:27:48.045
their fists or feet
or whatever it is.

00:27:48.045 --> 00:27:49.875
Do you now secure
the baseball bat?

00:27:49.905 --> 00:27:52.155
You got to think,
well, that's a weapon

00:27:52.155 --> 00:27:54.615
of opportunity, I'm
still subjected to

00:27:54.615 --> 00:27:55.785
this person's attack.

00:27:56.175 --> 00:27:57.185
That's a different thing.

00:27:57.185 --> 00:28:00.525
And, and again, in
the moment you use

00:28:00.525 --> 00:28:01.815
that effectively.

00:28:02.225 --> 00:28:05.645
So everything really,
as you go through your

00:28:05.645 --> 00:28:08.345
day-to-day life, you can
look around, everything's

00:28:08.345 --> 00:28:09.275
a weapon of opportunity.

00:28:09.275 --> 00:28:11.765
Your laptop is pretty
expensive, but it's

00:28:11.765 --> 00:28:12.755
not worth your life.

00:28:12.815 --> 00:28:13.295
That's right.

00:28:13.385 --> 00:28:15.065
And it would probably
hurt pretty hard if I

00:28:15.065 --> 00:28:17.685
folded it up and whacked
the person with it.

00:28:17.685 --> 00:28:19.845
Or the corner of
the laptops straight

00:28:19.865 --> 00:28:20.975
into the face, right.

00:28:20.975 --> 00:28:22.835
You know, again, in that
triangle, around the

00:28:22.835 --> 00:28:26.534
nose, you know, under
the, the, the septum,

00:28:26.534 --> 00:28:29.595
you know, those types,
they, man, that stuff, it

00:28:29.595 --> 00:28:32.955
hurts and it distracts,
it may not disable or

00:28:32.955 --> 00:28:36.284
incapacitate, but it'll
give you a bit of space.

00:28:36.284 --> 00:28:38.595
It's, you know,
people recoil from

00:28:38.595 --> 00:28:41.445
those kinds of things
and it's unexpected.

00:28:41.685 --> 00:28:42.505
Your pint glass.

00:28:42.665 --> 00:28:43.725
Your pencil.

00:28:44.055 --> 00:28:47.254
Your pencil, your
salt shaker rolled up

00:28:47.254 --> 00:28:49.805
in a napkin, right,
at the dinner table.

00:28:49.985 --> 00:28:51.754
But when you're walking
to your car, like

00:28:51.754 --> 00:28:54.395
everybody's got automatic
unlock on their car.

00:28:54.395 --> 00:28:55.264
So they got a fob.

00:28:55.264 --> 00:28:57.455
So now we're, we're out
of luck, but the old, you

00:28:57.455 --> 00:29:01.655
know, huge ring of keys
and, you know, I always,

00:29:01.655 --> 00:29:04.055
you know, in the dark
carried my keys through

00:29:04.055 --> 00:29:04.985
my fingers, you know.

00:29:05.014 --> 00:29:05.195
Sure.

00:29:05.524 --> 00:29:09.185
For a cheap pair of, of
a brass knuckles, but

00:29:09.185 --> 00:29:10.294
you know, it's there.

00:29:11.345 --> 00:29:15.795
Um, one of the things
always is, you watch

00:29:15.795 --> 00:29:18.015
people when they're
getting into drunk fights

00:29:18.825 --> 00:29:20.895
and they tend to start
pulling their shirt off.

00:29:20.895 --> 00:29:23.595
So now there you are
in the bar having your

00:29:23.595 --> 00:29:26.655
nice dinner and some
guys now taken offense

00:29:26.655 --> 00:29:28.875
to you and you know,
you've, you've done what

00:29:28.875 --> 00:29:30.285
you can to deescalate.

00:29:30.285 --> 00:29:32.805
He's, he's drunk and
he's pushing at you.

00:29:33.195 --> 00:29:35.385
And, and you're trying
to get out of there.

00:29:35.385 --> 00:29:38.025
And of course now the
crowd comes around and

00:29:38.025 --> 00:29:39.885
here's your weapon of
opportunity is when he

00:29:39.885 --> 00:29:42.705
gets that shirt over
his head, that's it.

00:29:42.735 --> 00:29:43.285
Jersey him.

00:29:43.465 --> 00:29:43.585
Yeah.

00:29:43.815 --> 00:29:44.455
Jersey him.

00:29:44.795 --> 00:29:47.135
That's , happens every
day when you know, we're

00:29:47.135 --> 00:29:49.445
watching pro hockey in
the old, well, I guess

00:29:49.445 --> 00:29:52.385
more so in the old days,
but that something you

00:29:52.385 --> 00:29:54.845
got to think about,
you've got to have it

00:29:54.845 --> 00:29:55.775
in there and use it.

00:29:55.985 --> 00:29:56.615
Who cares?

00:29:56.615 --> 00:29:57.365
There's no rules.

00:29:57.365 --> 00:29:59.435
There's nobody coming
running in with a black

00:29:59.435 --> 00:30:02.435
and white shirt that's
going to say, wait, you

00:30:02.435 --> 00:30:03.255
shouldn't have done that.

00:30:03.355 --> 00:30:05.285
And if you're having
a hard time thinking,

00:30:05.375 --> 00:30:08.294
hold on, am I in
condition orange, or

00:30:08.294 --> 00:30:09.465
am I in condition red?

00:30:09.885 --> 00:30:12.074
What you just pointed
out there is a very

00:30:12.074 --> 00:30:14.294
common indicator and
there's lots of them,

00:30:14.594 --> 00:30:16.245
that the fight is on.

00:30:16.274 --> 00:30:18.135
You might not be aware
of the fights on,

00:30:18.135 --> 00:30:20.264
but if someone starts
taking off articles of

00:30:20.264 --> 00:30:24.074
clothing, it's a very,
very common precursor

00:30:24.254 --> 00:30:25.215
to wanting to fight.

00:30:25.215 --> 00:30:25.844
Time to fight.

00:30:26.084 --> 00:30:26.415
Right.

00:30:26.475 --> 00:30:29.790
Or maybe they keep
looking at, you have a

00:30:29.790 --> 00:30:31.470
pint glass in your hand,
you're holding it and

00:30:31.470 --> 00:30:33.000
they keep looking at it
and they're looking at it

00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:35.520
because they view that as
a possible weapon that'll

00:30:35.520 --> 00:30:37.860
you be used against
them when the fights on.

00:30:38.250 --> 00:30:40.260
What they're looking
at, how their

00:30:40.260 --> 00:30:41.610
body position is.

00:30:42.390 --> 00:30:44.790
Again, like I say,
Allan Pease has got

00:30:44.820 --> 00:30:47.130
some good books on
basic body language.

00:30:47.970 --> 00:30:52.200
But they're clenched jaw,
clenched fists, uh, how

00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:54.120
they're looking at you,
all of these things,

00:30:54.390 --> 00:30:56.430
you don't even have to
rationally be able to

00:30:56.430 --> 00:30:58.560
articulate, well I read
this book, or I heard

00:30:58.560 --> 00:30:59.610
about it on a podcast.

00:30:59.940 --> 00:31:01.620
I I'm willing to
bet, you know.

00:31:02.130 --> 00:31:03.960
And you will know when
it's happening, if you

00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:05.160
just trust your gut.

00:31:05.280 --> 00:31:05.680
Right.

00:31:06.170 --> 00:31:06.370
Yeah.

00:31:06.390 --> 00:31:08.150
Doesn't lie the hair
on the back of your

00:31:08.150 --> 00:31:09.080
neck, not lying.

00:31:09.230 --> 00:31:09.740
Right.

00:31:10.040 --> 00:31:11.390
You know, that's,
that's, that's

00:31:11.390 --> 00:31:12.350
telling you the truth.

00:31:12.620 --> 00:31:13.310
Don't ignore it.

00:31:13.340 --> 00:31:17.429
Never, ever exhort, you
know, and I guess we kind

00:31:17.429 --> 00:31:20.070
of talked about it, but
you know, the difference

00:31:20.070 --> 00:31:22.139
between men and women
and what feelings they

00:31:22.139 --> 00:31:26.550
have, but if you feel
it, it's probably real.

00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:27.330
Right.

00:31:27.419 --> 00:31:28.489
Well, it is real.

00:31:28.530 --> 00:31:31.639
It is real and it's real
to you .And whether or

00:31:31.639 --> 00:31:35.780
not history will look
back and look at it as

00:31:36.230 --> 00:31:38.870
the real event, as long
as you have downloaded

00:31:38.870 --> 00:31:41.899
the proper responses, you
can square yourself with

00:31:41.899 --> 00:31:43.220
it, hopefully afterwards.

00:31:43.280 --> 00:31:45.139
And that was one of
the things that you

00:31:45.139 --> 00:31:45.919
brought up before.

00:31:45.950 --> 00:31:49.490
And then we talked about
you're number one, you

00:31:49.490 --> 00:31:51.560
protect yourself because
if you can't protect

00:31:51.560 --> 00:31:53.419
yourself, you can't
protect your family,

00:31:53.419 --> 00:31:55.190
your friends, your
loved ones around you.

00:31:55.909 --> 00:31:58.850
And you go in that
process, how you do

00:31:58.850 --> 00:32:00.860
that is going to have
to be something that

00:32:00.860 --> 00:32:04.100
you can feel good about
afterwards, because

00:32:04.100 --> 00:32:06.560
all of this mental
preparation and the

00:32:06.560 --> 00:32:08.929
during preparation
will lead into the

00:32:08.929 --> 00:32:10.159
next podcast as well.

00:32:10.250 --> 00:32:10.639
Right.

00:32:10.730 --> 00:32:12.860
And you know,
it's just funny.

00:32:13.159 --> 00:32:18.794
Um, An unconscious
sheepdog doesn't help any

00:32:18.794 --> 00:32:20.774
of the sheep, you know,
and if the sheep happened

00:32:20.774 --> 00:32:23.264
to be your family, I
like that, you know,

00:32:23.264 --> 00:32:25.514
we got to go stay with,
and you gotta remember

00:32:25.514 --> 00:32:29.175
that, uh, the wolves are
looking for easy prey.

00:32:29.655 --> 00:32:30.254
Right.

00:32:30.465 --> 00:32:33.945
And you don't see the
wolves going after

00:32:33.945 --> 00:32:37.455
that you know, the
Akbash herd dog out

00:32:37.455 --> 00:32:39.764
there in amongst, we
don't have to be sheep.

00:32:39.794 --> 00:32:41.925
We could actually
have alpacas or

00:32:41.925 --> 00:32:42.764
something like that.

00:32:42.764 --> 00:32:45.104
But, you know, whatever
the herd of domestic,

00:32:45.495 --> 00:32:48.824
you know, critters are
there is that, that sharp

00:32:48.824 --> 00:32:51.554
set of ears, you know,
that look of alertness

00:32:51.614 --> 00:32:55.054
and the wolf is not
going for that sheepdog.

00:32:56.264 --> 00:32:58.844
And, you know, it's,
it's, it's fascinating

00:32:58.844 --> 00:33:01.935
to, uh, you know, to,
to really put yourself

00:33:01.935 --> 00:33:02.895
into that position.

00:33:03.254 --> 00:33:05.910
I mean, I'm going to
just, you know, talk

00:33:05.910 --> 00:33:08.700
a little bit about
being in things.

00:33:09.120 --> 00:33:12.660
Um, I've had, you
could say the, the good

00:33:12.660 --> 00:33:15.120
fortune for being able
to talk about it now,

00:33:15.120 --> 00:33:17.520
but the misfortune of it
happening in the moment.

00:33:18.090 --> 00:33:22.710
Um, literally, uh, to
full-scale urban riots

00:33:22.710 --> 00:33:24.990
and being on the pointy
end of the stick for

00:33:24.990 --> 00:33:27.690
those, well the first
one most especially,

00:33:27.690 --> 00:33:30.810
back, you know, when,
uh, you know, we always

00:33:30.810 --> 00:33:35.580
called a game, anyways,
we won't talk about that

00:33:35.580 --> 00:33:37.080
because that'll be wrong.

00:33:37.080 --> 00:33:40.680
But, um, watching
things happen literally

00:33:40.680 --> 00:33:41.610
in slow motion.

00:33:42.570 --> 00:33:43.500
Literally.

00:33:44.490 --> 00:33:46.830
And they aren't, they're
happening in real time,

00:33:47.250 --> 00:33:51.570
but you are in such an
elevated state through,

00:33:51.630 --> 00:33:53.910
you know, the adrenaline
dump and everything else.

00:33:54.270 --> 00:34:00.135
You go into this hyper,
um, observant state where

00:34:00.135 --> 00:34:01.815
things seem to slow down.

00:34:02.325 --> 00:34:05.115
You're looking, you
know, with, with visual

00:34:05.115 --> 00:34:08.355
narrowing, you're looking
into a tube, all the

00:34:08.355 --> 00:34:12.165
other things around you
really aren't important,

00:34:12.614 --> 00:34:14.985
but seeing that person
that's throwing a

00:34:14.985 --> 00:34:18.165
bottle directly at you,
throwing a brick at you,

00:34:18.165 --> 00:34:20.175
sometimes that tunnel
vision changes, and you

00:34:20.175 --> 00:34:23.145
can see, you know, with
stuff going towards your,

00:34:23.415 --> 00:34:26.235
your, your teammates
at the moment and, and

00:34:26.235 --> 00:34:27.554
seeing that's strange.

00:34:28.905 --> 00:34:31.935
In the middle of a
full-blown riot, the

00:34:31.935 --> 00:34:35.534
one thing that will
take you away from your

00:34:35.534 --> 00:34:39.284
normal day to day is the
sheer amount of noise,

00:34:39.915 --> 00:34:43.095
explosions of the gas
grenades going off, the

00:34:43.095 --> 00:34:45.975
yelling, the screaming,
the breaking of glass.

00:34:46.365 --> 00:34:49.155
Uh, the sound, fire
is very quiet funny

00:34:49.155 --> 00:34:51.705
enough, but you can
hear fire, you can

00:34:51.705 --> 00:34:54.255
hear the crackling
of stuff burning, but

00:34:54.255 --> 00:34:55.395
it's not very loud.

00:34:55.395 --> 00:34:58.965
So in amongst all of
these incredibly loud

00:34:58.965 --> 00:35:02.415
things, you're hearing
the subtleties, you

00:35:02.415 --> 00:35:06.405
hear the sound of,
you know, um, a bottle

00:35:06.405 --> 00:35:08.475
being broken, which
is not in itself very

00:35:08.475 --> 00:35:10.395
loud, but then you, you
know, you're turning

00:35:10.395 --> 00:35:14.205
yourself, uh, to those,
those unusual sounds.

00:35:14.595 --> 00:35:18.945
Voices, hearing people
in the crowd actually

00:35:18.945 --> 00:35:22.005
discussing what they're
about to do to somebody

00:35:23.205 --> 00:35:25.245
in the riot squad that
we are with, we call

00:35:25.245 --> 00:35:27.765
them, uh, you know, all
sorts of nice things,

00:35:27.765 --> 00:35:30.315
that was a riot squad in
the, in the, you know,

00:35:30.435 --> 00:35:32.475
um, public order unit.

00:35:33.315 --> 00:35:34.875
Like they're actually
talking about that

00:35:34.875 --> 00:35:37.185
and you can, your
auditory exclusion

00:35:37.515 --> 00:35:39.765
takes you into their
conversation and that's

00:35:39.765 --> 00:35:43.065
happening 10, 15 feet
away amongst the den.

00:35:43.635 --> 00:35:50.115
I recall listening to the
boss on a cell phone, in

00:35:50.175 --> 00:35:52.965
the middle of the riot,
we're holding the line.

00:35:52.965 --> 00:35:55.875
He's probably standing
15, 20 feet away from me.

00:35:56.385 --> 00:36:00.315
And he's talking to,
you know, the commander

00:36:00.315 --> 00:36:03.585
in the, in the, in
the center, you know,

00:36:04.095 --> 00:36:06.855
who's making all the
direction and I can

00:36:06.855 --> 00:36:08.535
hear their conversation.

00:36:08.565 --> 00:36:12.645
I can hear the voice
on the cell phone, not

00:36:12.645 --> 00:36:14.745
just him talking, just
thinking, you know,

00:36:14.745 --> 00:36:15.645
taking myself back.

00:36:15.645 --> 00:36:18.225
Thinking this is,
you know, not really

00:36:18.225 --> 00:36:19.515
pay attention into
the moment, but

00:36:19.515 --> 00:36:21.945
afterwards, to be
able to articulate the

00:36:21.945 --> 00:36:23.055
words that were there.

00:36:23.505 --> 00:36:25.395
And, and until it
happens to you, you

00:36:25.395 --> 00:36:26.265
can't believe it.

00:36:26.735 --> 00:36:28.595
And for somebody
who's never been in

00:36:28.595 --> 00:36:31.305
that before, that's
gotta be disorienting.

00:36:32.095 --> 00:36:34.395
So to have a little bit
of an idea of what to

00:36:34.395 --> 00:36:38.115
possibly expect in these
situations can give a

00:36:38.115 --> 00:36:39.075
little bit of comfort.

00:36:39.305 --> 00:36:40.985
And, and that's why
you got to listen to

00:36:40.985 --> 00:36:43.355
somebody who's been
there when they say the

00:36:43.355 --> 00:36:44.465
stuff's going to happen.

00:36:44.615 --> 00:36:45.635
Don't freak out.

00:36:46.355 --> 00:36:47.795
Don't freak out.

00:36:48.185 --> 00:36:51.575
It's good, it's your body
uh, you know, getting

00:36:51.575 --> 00:36:52.925
you ready for that.

00:36:52.955 --> 00:36:56.495
You know, this is how
many million years of

00:36:56.495 --> 00:36:59.165
evolution, you know, has
changed so many things

00:36:59.165 --> 00:37:02.255
in the way we live,
but that primal ability

00:37:02.285 --> 00:37:03.695
of fight or flight.

00:37:03.695 --> 00:37:06.275
And we keep emphasizing,
it's all about flight.

00:37:07.055 --> 00:37:09.725
All these physical
occurrences that are

00:37:09.725 --> 00:37:13.355
happening and their
real, they are real, are

00:37:13.355 --> 00:37:15.095
there to help you get
out of the situation.

00:37:15.095 --> 00:37:17.405
One of the things you
may not necessarily feel,

00:37:17.825 --> 00:37:21.665
uh, in the moment is the
adrenaline is now pumping

00:37:21.665 --> 00:37:25.715
you full of strength that
you never had before.

00:37:26.285 --> 00:37:27.125
And that's good.

00:37:27.665 --> 00:37:29.765
You'll be able to run
faster, jump higher,

00:37:30.854 --> 00:37:34.334
swim longer, punch
harder, all these things,

00:37:34.334 --> 00:37:35.504
but they will happen.

00:37:35.535 --> 00:37:38.384
Shockingly is when
you, you know, hey,

00:37:38.384 --> 00:37:40.424
the critical incident
you look over and

00:37:40.424 --> 00:37:42.734
there's a kid trapped
underneath of a car.

00:37:42.794 --> 00:37:44.714
There's just
been a collision.

00:37:44.955 --> 00:37:47.654
And that car's on top
of a kid and everybody's

00:37:47.654 --> 00:37:49.305
pulling the kid and
they can't get them out.

00:37:49.305 --> 00:37:51.584
And suddenly somebody
emerges from the crowd

00:37:51.975 --> 00:37:55.214
and they lift the
car up for everybody

00:37:55.214 --> 00:37:55.964
else to pull through.

00:37:55.964 --> 00:37:58.725
And we hear that all
the time, 80 year old

00:37:58.725 --> 00:38:01.455
woman lifts car off,
you know, husband in

00:38:01.455 --> 00:38:03.194
garage when jack fails.

00:38:03.225 --> 00:38:08.520
This type of stuff, but
people get the benefit of

00:38:08.550 --> 00:38:12.150
however many years that
we've had this as, uh, an

00:38:12.150 --> 00:38:14.850
instinctual response, you
know, the adrenaline dump

00:38:14.850 --> 00:38:15.900
and all the other things.

00:38:16.530 --> 00:38:18.750
And don't be afraid,
use them, use

00:38:18.750 --> 00:38:19.550
them effectively.

00:38:21.620 --> 00:38:24.320
So we talked about
the one plus one

00:38:24.320 --> 00:38:26.330
rule, the rule of one
plus one before, if

00:38:26.330 --> 00:38:27.950
there's one bad guy,
there's probably two.

00:38:28.040 --> 00:38:29.600
If there's one person
talking to you on the

00:38:29.600 --> 00:38:31.880
street that you don't
know, there might be

00:38:31.880 --> 00:38:34.010
a reason why, there
might be a second person

00:38:34.010 --> 00:38:34.730
they're working with.

00:38:35.570 --> 00:38:38.450
But in a fight, don't
think that this is

00:38:38.450 --> 00:38:40.370
just the one aggressor.

00:38:40.400 --> 00:38:42.680
You could have an
innocent person who's

00:38:42.680 --> 00:38:45.590
just happened to be
walking by passively

00:38:45.590 --> 00:38:47.720
acquiescing, minding
their own business, and

00:38:47.720 --> 00:38:50.600
they see this fight and
progress, and they look

00:38:50.600 --> 00:38:53.600
at you as the aggressor
and all of a sudden

00:38:53.600 --> 00:38:56.900
now it's you against
more than one person.

00:38:56.900 --> 00:38:59.150
And I don't care how
many Steven Seagal movies

00:38:59.150 --> 00:39:00.170
a person has watched.

00:39:00.885 --> 00:39:03.375
When you start having
a physical altercation

00:39:03.375 --> 00:39:06.345
with more than one
individual, it gets

00:39:06.345 --> 00:39:07.995
tough really quick.

00:39:10.715 --> 00:39:14.075
We're now in code
red, maybe we're with,

00:39:14.105 --> 00:39:18.365
uh, our spouse, our
kids, or someone else.

00:39:18.425 --> 00:39:21.305
Now that person
needs to be your

00:39:21.305 --> 00:39:22.745
ally in that moment.

00:39:22.745 --> 00:39:25.055
If you're in that
confrontation and you're

00:39:25.055 --> 00:39:27.485
down on the ground
and you say somebody

00:39:27.485 --> 00:39:28.265
else comes along.

00:39:28.265 --> 00:39:30.395
Now there's wolves
that are just going to

00:39:30.395 --> 00:39:32.945
come along and they see
something happening and

00:39:32.945 --> 00:39:35.765
their pack mentality
forces them to just

00:39:35.765 --> 00:39:37.385
start kicking the
people that are on the

00:39:37.385 --> 00:39:39.665
ground and see that
lots, lots, and lots.

00:39:39.665 --> 00:39:41.885
People are totally
un-involved in whatever,

00:39:42.065 --> 00:39:43.805
you know, sparked the
incidents, but they'll

00:39:43.805 --> 00:39:45.845
come out of the crowd
because they always,

00:39:45.845 --> 00:39:48.275
you know, wanting to
kick somebody, you know,

00:39:48.275 --> 00:39:50.885
cause they've seen it
on TV and that stuff.

00:39:50.885 --> 00:39:53.105
So yes, you gotta be
wary of that, but you

00:39:53.105 --> 00:39:57.480
know, your, your backup
may not be in the form

00:39:57.480 --> 00:40:01.830
of a physical backup,
but again, clarifying

00:40:01.830 --> 00:40:03.930
to the crowd, help
him, help him, help

00:40:03.930 --> 00:40:05.700
the guy in the red
shirt, he got attacked

00:40:05.700 --> 00:40:06.600
by the other guy.

00:40:06.690 --> 00:40:07.080
Right.

00:40:07.080 --> 00:40:08.790
Or something
to that effect.

00:40:08.790 --> 00:40:10.350
Everybody needs to
know they got to

00:40:10.680 --> 00:40:11.790
all work together.

00:40:11.820 --> 00:40:14.160
It's no good if they
go into that lockup

00:40:14.160 --> 00:40:17.730
phase and just stand
and stare at you get in

00:40:18.090 --> 00:40:20.670
getting it, you know,
so to speak, everybody's

00:40:20.940 --> 00:40:22.020
gotta be together.

00:40:22.140 --> 00:40:24.530
And that was always
a big part of the

00:40:24.530 --> 00:40:27.800
self-defense system that
I would teach my kids.

00:40:28.250 --> 00:40:30.110
The big one is
you're not my mom,

00:40:30.140 --> 00:40:31.280
you're not my dad.

00:40:31.280 --> 00:40:31.490
Right.

00:40:31.490 --> 00:40:33.770
If someone's trying to
hurt them or take them or

00:40:33.770 --> 00:40:36.170
do something, make it be
known to everybody else

00:40:36.170 --> 00:40:37.190
around what's going on.

00:40:37.430 --> 00:40:40.905
But as well, they're not
in a position to be able

00:40:40.905 --> 00:40:42.825
to physically help in the
way that I'm sure they

00:40:42.825 --> 00:40:46.155
would want to, but they
can sure use their voices

00:40:46.155 --> 00:40:46.995
to be able to help.

00:40:46.995 --> 00:40:48.855
And having that game
plan ahead of time

00:40:48.855 --> 00:40:50.655
with your family or
with your friends.

00:40:50.915 --> 00:40:52.215
That's a very
important conversation.

00:40:52.805 --> 00:40:53.045
Yeah.

00:40:53.045 --> 00:40:54.665
That, that plan that
you've had with your

00:40:54.665 --> 00:40:58.625
kids saying the only
people that will ever

00:40:58.625 --> 00:41:02.175
come and pick you up from
school will be somebody

00:41:02.175 --> 00:41:03.435
that you've met before.

00:41:04.695 --> 00:41:07.425
And even saying that
as a problem, because

00:41:07.425 --> 00:41:08.325
we know that it could.

00:41:08.325 --> 00:41:09.035
Statistically.

00:41:09.355 --> 00:41:10.935
You know, but you got
to start with that and

00:41:10.935 --> 00:41:12.915
you say, is it okay if
grandpa picks you up?

00:41:12.945 --> 00:41:13.365
Yes.

00:41:13.395 --> 00:41:16.545
Is it okay if grandma,
uncle Joe, you know, and

00:41:16.634 --> 00:41:19.935
we are trusting uncle
Joe, mom, dad, sister,

00:41:19.935 --> 00:41:23.085
brother, whatever, if
it's not one of those

00:41:23.085 --> 00:41:24.495
people, you don't go.

00:41:24.555 --> 00:41:26.295
The only people
that you would go

00:41:26.295 --> 00:41:27.495
with are the police.

00:41:27.495 --> 00:41:29.925
And again, making
the kids understand.

00:41:29.925 --> 00:41:31.995
Now we're kind of going
off into the stranger

00:41:31.995 --> 00:41:35.235
danger thing, you know,
suddenly it's not one

00:41:35.235 --> 00:41:37.634
of those people that
you've preauthorized.

00:41:38.515 --> 00:41:42.015
The kid needs to
start letting it out.

00:41:42.615 --> 00:41:44.835
You're not physically
capable, but you've got

00:41:44.835 --> 00:41:48.135
a voice and use it and
don't go and don't go and

00:41:48.135 --> 00:41:49.395
don't go, no matter what.

00:41:50.595 --> 00:41:54.135
There's no such thing
as a, as a person that

00:41:54.135 --> 00:41:56.925
wants you to help them
find something, you know,

00:41:56.925 --> 00:42:00.765
the classic, you know,
I'm here looking for my

00:42:00.765 --> 00:42:01.635
dog, can you help me?

00:42:01.635 --> 00:42:03.825
You know, or, or
any of those, kids

00:42:03.825 --> 00:42:04.785
are just nice.

00:42:04.845 --> 00:42:06.645
You know, they've been
properly, brought up.

00:42:08.355 --> 00:42:10.845
Kid can still be polite
and start screaming his

00:42:10.845 --> 00:42:11.985
head off a second later.

00:42:12.345 --> 00:42:15.305
So fights on, we know
absolute aggression.

00:42:15.845 --> 00:42:18.665
You think of Malone
from the untouchables.

00:42:19.475 --> 00:42:20.195
What did he say?

00:42:21.965 --> 00:42:24.455
He says, uh, see
if I can do it.

00:42:25.205 --> 00:42:27.305
If he pulls a knife,
you pull a gun.

00:42:27.785 --> 00:42:30.215
If he sends one of yours
to the hospital, you send

00:42:30.215 --> 00:42:31.275
one of his to the morgue.

00:42:31.525 --> 00:42:31.695
Yeah.

00:42:32.315 --> 00:42:33.095
Something like that.

00:42:33.155 --> 00:42:35.375
But, but essentially
what you don't want

00:42:35.375 --> 00:42:38.315
to do is someone's
attacking with force,

00:42:38.315 --> 00:42:39.245
you meet that force.

00:42:39.245 --> 00:42:41.425
You have to go one.

00:42:41.425 --> 00:42:42.295
Overcome the force.

00:42:42.315 --> 00:42:46.365
One step up and keep
that force until the

00:42:46.365 --> 00:42:47.205
thread has stopped.

00:42:48.464 --> 00:42:50.865
Um, do we want to talk
about Jared's story?

00:42:52.115 --> 00:42:54.365
Well, just, uh, you
know, and I, I'm just

00:42:54.365 --> 00:42:55.835
going to take us back
here again, though.

00:42:55.835 --> 00:42:57.754
We keep talking about
the use of force at

00:42:57.754 --> 00:43:00.845
this point, but let's
talk about, we had

00:43:00.845 --> 00:43:01.955
the escape option.

00:43:02.645 --> 00:43:05.915
We don't run so far
and then turn around

00:43:05.915 --> 00:43:08.375
and try and start
taking pictures of it

00:43:08.404 --> 00:43:10.355
or turn back to look
to see what we'd done.

00:43:10.865 --> 00:43:13.865
We run so we know that
we are in a position

00:43:13.865 --> 00:43:16.835
of true safety,
like secure behind

00:43:16.835 --> 00:43:19.565
something that's not
penetrable or whatever

00:43:19.685 --> 00:43:20.615
we're in our car.

00:43:21.065 --> 00:43:23.225
Somebody wants to
get into our car.

00:43:23.375 --> 00:43:26.254
There's no reason in
the world for somebody

00:43:26.254 --> 00:43:27.964
to come out of the
blue and start pulling

00:43:27.964 --> 00:43:30.935
on your door handle
that's going to be good.

00:43:31.625 --> 00:43:34.085
Now, if it's clearly
evident that that's

00:43:34.085 --> 00:43:36.455
somebody who's going to
be a victim themselves,

00:43:37.234 --> 00:43:38.884
can you get them in and
get them out of there?

00:43:40.140 --> 00:43:42.569
Without the suspect
or the, you know, the,

00:43:42.569 --> 00:43:44.549
the attacker getting
in with them, you know,

00:43:44.549 --> 00:43:45.779
that's a consideration.

00:43:46.200 --> 00:43:49.919
So your emotion is
one thing, oh, I want

00:43:49.919 --> 00:43:50.850
to help this person.

00:43:51.029 --> 00:43:53.310
But the reality, there's
not going to be better

00:43:53.310 --> 00:43:55.080
if I drive my car away
a little bit and get

00:43:55.080 --> 00:43:58.230
on the phone and come
back with, you know,

00:43:58.410 --> 00:44:00.990
the ability to deal
with it on your terms.

00:44:01.160 --> 00:44:05.600
And that just comes
down to, from teaching

00:44:05.600 --> 00:44:07.279
a survival mindset.

00:44:07.580 --> 00:44:09.950
There is only one
person and that's you.

00:44:10.100 --> 00:44:10.310
Yeah.

00:44:11.000 --> 00:44:12.560
That's not always going
to be the right thing

00:44:12.640 --> 00:44:14.160
with yourself afterwards.

00:44:14.180 --> 00:44:16.700
And people have
such a difficult

00:44:16.700 --> 00:44:18.109
time accepting that.

00:44:19.520 --> 00:44:21.589
And, and, you know,
they say, oh, that's

00:44:21.589 --> 00:44:24.589
like, you know, this
is the degradation of

00:44:24.589 --> 00:44:26.959
human society if that's
all you're thinking of.

00:44:26.959 --> 00:44:29.419
And, and that's what
we become that we're

00:44:29.419 --> 00:44:32.180
telling people to
abandon everybody else.

00:44:32.180 --> 00:44:35.509
But again, if you
can't continue on.

00:44:37.265 --> 00:44:40.125
I remember in my early
twenties, when I got

00:44:40.305 --> 00:44:43.665
a license to carry in
the states your CCW and

00:44:43.884 --> 00:44:46.995
few different states
of reciprocity and, uh,

00:44:47.024 --> 00:44:49.814
Marty Hayes, Firearms
Academy in Seattle did

00:44:49.814 --> 00:44:53.115
some training there with
him and did some basic

00:44:53.115 --> 00:44:55.814
scenario training as a
part of the CCW course.

00:44:55.814 --> 00:44:57.645
And one of the big things
that they really want

00:44:57.645 --> 00:45:00.915
to get across is that
firearm is not there

00:45:00.915 --> 00:45:01.964
for you to be a hero.

00:45:02.325 --> 00:45:04.845
You're not a cop because
you have a firearm on,

00:45:04.855 --> 00:45:06.285
you're not there to
help the cops cause

00:45:06.285 --> 00:45:07.214
you have that firearm.

00:45:07.515 --> 00:45:09.915
You're there, that
firearms air for one

00:45:09.944 --> 00:45:12.254
reason only, and that's
to protect you and your

00:45:12.254 --> 00:45:13.365
loved ones and that's it.

00:45:13.395 --> 00:45:14.984
And you forget
all the rest.

00:45:15.314 --> 00:45:18.075
And that was a really
difficult thing to think

00:45:18.075 --> 00:45:23.504
about especially as a
young male testosterone,

00:45:23.535 --> 00:45:25.765
wanting to help
people all the rest.

00:45:27.035 --> 00:45:29.955
Really, when it comes
down to a survival

00:45:29.955 --> 00:45:33.435
situation, you're there
to protect yourself,

00:45:33.435 --> 00:45:35.895
cause you might not have
all of the information

00:45:36.105 --> 00:45:39.525
required to make proper
decisions, to interject

00:45:39.525 --> 00:45:42.585
yourself into the,
into some, some other

00:45:42.585 --> 00:45:43.455
sort of situation.

00:45:43.455 --> 00:45:45.015
And I remember that was
one of the scenarios.

00:45:45.325 --> 00:45:47.055
A couple of people
arguing, someone

00:45:47.055 --> 00:45:49.515
pulls a gun out
and what do you do?

00:45:49.515 --> 00:45:50.295
Do you interject?

00:45:50.295 --> 00:45:52.095
No, you take off, the guy
with the gun was actually

00:45:52.095 --> 00:45:53.445
a cop undercover right?

00:45:53.445 --> 00:45:57.405
And so when people start
making these judgment

00:45:57.405 --> 00:45:59.865
calls of how, how
could you just do that?

00:46:00.225 --> 00:46:05.265
Really, from a survival
situation, that is where

00:46:05.265 --> 00:46:06.195
your head should be.

00:46:06.755 --> 00:46:07.205
Yeah.

00:46:07.625 --> 00:46:09.215
And that's true,
you know, you hear

00:46:09.215 --> 00:46:11.345
repeatedly, oh, you
know, if there had been

00:46:11.345 --> 00:46:13.475
somebody with a gun
there, probably would

00:46:13.475 --> 00:46:15.785
have ended the whole
thing, but you know,

00:46:15.785 --> 00:46:19.560
that, that's where
this, this idea having

00:46:19.560 --> 00:46:22.710
an armed society and
all of the ability to

00:46:22.980 --> 00:46:24.930
they, you know, to carry
a concealed firearm,

00:46:25.500 --> 00:46:29.580
everybody has sort of a,
an armchair idea of how

00:46:29.580 --> 00:46:30.750
this is going to work.

00:46:31.200 --> 00:46:32.610
And it's not
that way at all.

00:46:32.610 --> 00:46:36.120
It is that, it's that
deep down personal thing,

00:46:36.180 --> 00:46:39.090
you know, it's just you
and the attacker in the

00:46:39.090 --> 00:46:42.930
moment, yours is not to,
as a, as an armed citizen

00:46:42.930 --> 00:46:45.990
to come in, until you
can clearly recognize it.

00:46:45.990 --> 00:46:47.880
But the fact that you
come running down the

00:46:47.880 --> 00:46:51.300
street, withdrawn gun,
might be the worst

00:46:51.300 --> 00:46:53.190
thing in the world,
thinking that you're

00:46:53.190 --> 00:46:55.110
going to end somebody
else's situation.

00:46:55.110 --> 00:46:55.890
You have to read it.

00:46:56.550 --> 00:46:58.460
When you're in your
own, different thing.

00:46:58.490 --> 00:47:00.890
And the same goes
for people who carry

00:47:00.890 --> 00:47:03.740
a utility knife or
who happened to have

00:47:03.740 --> 00:47:06.830
dog spray on them, or
who've taken that napkin

00:47:06.830 --> 00:47:09.650
and put salt shaker
in there and using.

00:47:09.720 --> 00:47:10.210
Not a paper napkin.

00:47:10.210 --> 00:47:10.570
It as a weapon.

00:47:10.590 --> 00:47:11.430
Not a paper napkin.

00:47:11.430 --> 00:47:13.430
Not a paper napkin,
but the same thing

00:47:13.430 --> 00:47:14.600
applies to all of these.

00:47:15.075 --> 00:47:15.285
Yeah.

00:47:16.215 --> 00:47:16.455
Yeah.

00:47:16.545 --> 00:47:19.665
And, and like I say, you
know, arming yourself

00:47:19.665 --> 00:47:24.585
ahead of time, um, is
also arming the person

00:47:24.585 --> 00:47:25.335
that attacks you.

00:47:26.415 --> 00:47:30.075
You know, so if you
are going to, uh, put

00:47:30.075 --> 00:47:31.845
a knife on your belt
or put a knife in your

00:47:31.845 --> 00:47:34.875
pocket, you know that,
uh, in the moment,

00:47:34.875 --> 00:47:37.965
if somebody gets your
knife, now you need to

00:47:39.674 --> 00:47:41.805
recognize and fight that.

00:47:42.095 --> 00:47:43.654
I think there's a
misconception, when

00:47:43.654 --> 00:47:45.545
people think about
knives, they think,

00:47:45.935 --> 00:47:48.455
oh yeah, I caught this
knife and I can use

00:47:48.455 --> 00:47:49.355
it for self-defense.

00:47:49.685 --> 00:47:51.275
You're going to kill
the person you stab,

00:47:51.365 --> 00:47:53.465
you should probably
resign yourself to that.

00:47:53.735 --> 00:47:56.580
If you use a knife
for self protection,

00:47:57.060 --> 00:47:59.460
the likelihood of
doing serious grievous

00:47:59.460 --> 00:48:01.860
bodily harm or death
is pretty high.

00:48:01.950 --> 00:48:03.750
It doesn't take
much for a blade to

00:48:03.750 --> 00:48:06.480
penetrate in order
to do serious damage.

00:48:06.570 --> 00:48:09.150
And likewise, I don't
care how many movies

00:48:09.150 --> 00:48:11.640
they've seen of disarming
a person with a knife

00:48:11.640 --> 00:48:13.800
and you touch on this
before we used to do

00:48:13.800 --> 00:48:14.820
it with felt markers.

00:48:14.880 --> 00:48:17.670
Okay, let's try
disarm, guaranteed,

00:48:17.700 --> 00:48:19.470
and that's just the
tip of the marker.

00:48:19.680 --> 00:48:21.750
You're walking out
with ink on yourself.

00:48:22.470 --> 00:48:23.790
You have to
resign yourself.

00:48:23.820 --> 00:48:26.850
If somebody does have
an edged weapon, you

00:48:26.850 --> 00:48:28.800
are going to get cut
and you're going to

00:48:28.800 --> 00:48:30.210
have to be able to
fight through that.

00:48:30.450 --> 00:48:30.810
Yes.

00:48:31.695 --> 00:48:35.475
Again, you know,
completely eliminating

00:48:35.475 --> 00:48:38.445
your emotions, your
ego at the time, if you

00:48:38.445 --> 00:48:40.515
look down and you're
bleeding, means nothing.

00:48:40.725 --> 00:48:43.455
You, you know, as long
as you, you still got

00:48:43.845 --> 00:48:46.035
the energy to fight, you
got to keep fighting.

00:48:46.905 --> 00:48:48.405
Cuts, don't
kill you fast.

00:48:49.245 --> 00:48:52.425
Um, you know, and that's
kind of a fortunate

00:48:52.425 --> 00:48:55.275
thing, unless somebody is
highly trained and knows,

00:48:55.275 --> 00:48:58.335
you know, how to use the
proper link to blade in

00:48:58.335 --> 00:48:59.384
the correct technique.

00:48:59.655 --> 00:49:02.685
In most cases, you know,
we see a lot of, um,

00:49:03.405 --> 00:49:05.865
stabbing, if you can get
always get lucky and hit

00:49:05.865 --> 00:49:08.775
something, but you know,
it's be shocking and

00:49:08.995 --> 00:49:11.985
it's a big help if you've
ever seen in an animal

00:49:11.985 --> 00:49:14.055
that's being butchered,
how much space is in

00:49:14.055 --> 00:49:17.115
and around some of the
organs and you know how

00:49:17.115 --> 00:49:20.115
that, uh, doesn't become
an immediate way to go.

00:49:21.930 --> 00:49:22.500
Okay.

00:49:22.589 --> 00:49:25.830
But the big thing you
carry a weapon, you

00:49:25.830 --> 00:49:29.850
know, a knife, you, uh,
you brought something to

00:49:29.850 --> 00:49:33.419
the situation and, and,
and you bring a gun, you

00:49:33.419 --> 00:49:36.120
brought something to the
situation, which you know

00:49:36.120 --> 00:49:38.640
that your attacker may
not have had that before.

00:49:38.640 --> 00:49:41.970
And if you're not, you
know, physically capable

00:49:41.970 --> 00:49:44.399
of keeping that in your
possession, that's not

00:49:44.399 --> 00:49:45.270
going to be a help.

00:49:47.629 --> 00:49:53.060
So Jared, Range
Langley, 2017 he says.

00:49:53.060 --> 00:49:54.799
And Jared, if I'm telling
the story and I get it

00:49:54.799 --> 00:49:57.020
wrong, I'm sure you'll
let me know, but I

00:49:57.020 --> 00:49:58.580
did take notes and I'm
going to try and get

00:49:58.580 --> 00:50:01.350
the information across
cause I think, I think

00:50:01.350 --> 00:50:03.420
you had some good points
here that the listeners

00:50:03.569 --> 00:50:04.740
would appreciate.

00:50:05.040 --> 00:50:06.390
He says, Travis, if
you think there would

00:50:06.390 --> 00:50:08.400
be some value in the
listeners in this story

00:50:08.400 --> 00:50:10.109
of hearing the situation
that I went through.

00:50:10.170 --> 00:50:12.960
So background on Jared,
he'd say range officer

00:50:12.960 --> 00:50:14.670
at The Range Langley,
he's accustomed to

00:50:14.670 --> 00:50:16.950
being around firearms
and hearing gunshots.

00:50:17.460 --> 00:50:19.710
He spent some time down
in LA, he says he's

00:50:19.890 --> 00:50:22.379
heard gunshots in an
urban environment, kind

00:50:22.379 --> 00:50:24.170
of knows what that's
about and he spent a

00:50:24.170 --> 00:50:27.120
fair bit of time offering
like physical security

00:50:27.120 --> 00:50:30.240
services for nightclubs
in the form of a bouncer.

00:50:30.240 --> 00:50:34.170
And so he's, he's
got a, uh, uh, some

00:50:34.319 --> 00:50:37.290
situational awareness
and physical conditioning

00:50:38.100 --> 00:50:38.790
he's on a date.

00:50:38.819 --> 00:50:41.430
I think it was 2017
browns social pub.

00:50:41.910 --> 00:50:45.299
And in the evening, I
guess a waitress drops

00:50:45.390 --> 00:50:49.109
a highball glass, hits
the ground flat makes

00:50:49.109 --> 00:50:52.650
a big bang nose, every,
nose, big bang noise,

00:50:52.650 --> 00:50:56.714
and everybody looks
around and yells OPA

00:50:56.714 --> 00:50:57.615
and they clean it up.

00:50:57.615 --> 00:50:58.725
And there we go.

00:50:59.265 --> 00:51:01.515
Uh, later on in the
evening they hear a

00:51:01.515 --> 00:51:06.134
similar bang and this
time it was a round going

00:51:06.134 --> 00:51:09.345
through the glass and
followed up by some more

00:51:09.345 --> 00:51:11.755
rounds going through
and immediately he.

00:51:11.755 --> 00:51:13.205
And more people
yelling OPA.

00:51:13.805 --> 00:51:14.315
Yeah, he did.

00:51:14.345 --> 00:51:16.205
I don't think he said,
they said OPA at this

00:51:16.205 --> 00:51:18.125
point, but the first
thing that came into

00:51:18.125 --> 00:51:20.495
his head and I think
most other peoples there

00:51:20.495 --> 00:51:23.075
was, Jared, I'm not
trying to speak on your

00:51:23.075 --> 00:51:24.904
behalf, but I'm trying to
recollect what you say.

00:51:25.055 --> 00:51:27.305
First thing that came
into his head was is

00:51:27.305 --> 00:51:29.645
this another high ball
glass hitting the ground?

00:51:30.305 --> 00:51:32.495
Because it's not normal
that you're going to

00:51:32.495 --> 00:51:35.765
have gunshots coming
into the restaurant where

00:51:35.765 --> 00:51:36.955
you're, you're eating in.

00:51:38.134 --> 00:51:40.055
Well, by the second
round, people knew

00:51:40.055 --> 00:51:41.915
what was going on
pretty quickly.

00:51:42.335 --> 00:51:45.035
And he was under
the table with his

00:51:45.035 --> 00:51:48.875
girlfriend and, or the
girl that he was on

00:51:48.875 --> 00:51:50.044
a date with anyways.

00:51:50.825 --> 00:51:54.960
And she was freaking out.

00:51:55.110 --> 00:51:58.140
And apparently most
of his energy was

00:51:58.140 --> 00:52:00.900
into, went into trying
to keep her calm.

00:52:01.650 --> 00:52:04.050
Uh, he looked for exits
and he saw one and there

00:52:04.050 --> 00:52:06.030
was one out by the patio,
problem was there was a

00:52:06.030 --> 00:52:07.380
fellow doing backflips.

00:52:08.160 --> 00:52:10.260
Cause I guess he had
been hit, right by

00:52:10.260 --> 00:52:13.200
there trying to get
in and he yells out,

00:52:13.970 --> 00:52:14.690
don't let him in.

00:52:14.720 --> 00:52:17.120
They want him,
not us, right.

00:52:17.600 --> 00:52:19.970
He says right or wrong,
whatever people judge

00:52:20.000 --> 00:52:22.610
that right or wrong,
he says, but why do

00:52:22.610 --> 00:52:24.650
we want to invite that
danger inside here?

00:52:25.070 --> 00:52:26.360
He says, he looked and
he gets to see these

00:52:26.360 --> 00:52:28.070
people, but they're
dressed all in black.

00:52:28.430 --> 00:52:30.590
Uh, and that's about the
most he got out of it.

00:52:31.010 --> 00:52:34.760
He says the adrenal fog
kicked in, the adrenal

00:52:34.770 --> 00:52:35.900
dump right off the bat.

00:52:35.900 --> 00:52:39.020
But then the adrenal
fog, trying to, uh, think

00:52:39.020 --> 00:52:44.450
things through, I, I
guess the, let me just

00:52:44.450 --> 00:52:46.310
take a look, make sure
I'm not missing anything.

00:52:46.310 --> 00:52:47.150
Here are the notes.

00:52:48.255 --> 00:52:50.775
So his exit was blocked.

00:52:51.165 --> 00:52:53.475
He says afterwards, if
I was really thinking

00:52:53.475 --> 00:52:55.755
about it, places have
more than one exit.

00:52:57.075 --> 00:52:59.515
I could have gone through
the kitchen and no one

00:52:59.615 --> 00:53:01.085
going to think twice
about someone going

00:53:01.085 --> 00:53:02.615
through a kitchen in
this sort of a situation.

00:53:03.695 --> 00:53:06.245
He says afterwards, I
kind of wish I spoke

00:53:06.245 --> 00:53:07.595
with other people
that were around me.

00:53:07.625 --> 00:53:09.065
Like, hey, do you
know what's going on?

00:53:09.215 --> 00:53:10.505
Hey, do you have a plan?

00:53:10.625 --> 00:53:13.415
Sort of like
coordinate the other

00:53:13.415 --> 00:53:14.075
people in there.

00:53:14.075 --> 00:53:15.935
He says he didn't do
that, but this is a

00:53:15.935 --> 00:53:17.015
benefit of hindsight.

00:53:17.885 --> 00:53:20.195
Uh, he says he had to
stick around for about

00:53:20.195 --> 00:53:22.745
four hours while the
police came in and they

00:53:22.925 --> 00:53:25.175
took some statements
about what happened.

00:53:25.175 --> 00:53:26.135
And they were
asking, what are the

00:53:26.135 --> 00:53:26.855
people look like?

00:53:26.885 --> 00:53:28.475
He says, I don't know,
it was all in black.

00:53:28.475 --> 00:53:30.965
It's all I saw, but it
sounded like there was a

00:53:30.965 --> 00:53:32.345
semi-auto and a revolver.

00:53:32.585 --> 00:53:34.445
And it sounded like this
many shots were fired

00:53:34.715 --> 00:53:36.185
because of his background
of working in the

00:53:36.185 --> 00:53:39.005
range, that's where his
mind immediately went.

00:53:39.870 --> 00:53:41.370
And those are things
though, that, as

00:53:41.370 --> 00:53:44.220
we talked about
beforehand, is what

00:53:44.220 --> 00:53:46.410
has been downloaded
to your subconscious.

00:53:46.440 --> 00:53:47.339
So that's there.

00:53:47.399 --> 00:53:50.250
That, that ability
to recognize those

00:53:50.250 --> 00:53:50.850
things, is there.

00:53:50.940 --> 00:53:51.669
Back to you, sorry.

00:53:51.839 --> 00:53:54.229
Mhmm.

00:53:54.919 --> 00:53:58.669
He, and part of this
will go into the after

00:53:58.669 --> 00:54:02.029
as well, uh, which
we can we'll delve in

00:54:02.029 --> 00:54:05.060
further, but he says, uh,
everybody wants to hear

00:54:05.060 --> 00:54:06.290
the story afterwards.

00:54:07.279 --> 00:54:09.649
Everybody wants to talk
about it afterwards.

00:54:10.339 --> 00:54:13.250
And there was
anger involved.

00:54:13.250 --> 00:54:15.410
He was angry at the laws
that he couldn't carry

00:54:15.410 --> 00:54:18.200
a firearm or angry at
the body armor laws, or

00:54:18.200 --> 00:54:20.029
that he couldn't protect
himself in a way that he

00:54:20.029 --> 00:54:21.109
figured that he should.

00:54:21.529 --> 00:54:23.870
Um, and these are
all things that a

00:54:23.870 --> 00:54:26.270
person would have
to square themselves

00:54:26.270 --> 00:54:28.520
with, for the after.

00:54:28.520 --> 00:54:30.950
And we'll talk about that
in greater detail, but

00:54:30.950 --> 00:54:34.290
it was an interesting
story and I didn't do it

00:54:34.290 --> 00:54:36.810
justice, Jared, I know
because we spoke for some

00:54:36.810 --> 00:54:39.120
time on this one and he
had a lot more details.

00:54:39.810 --> 00:54:42.270
But his survival
mindset was right.

00:54:42.900 --> 00:54:45.870
Uh, afterwards squaring
yourself with, I

00:54:45.870 --> 00:54:47.790
guess, one of the,
uh, uh, women in the

00:54:47.790 --> 00:54:49.800
patio opened the door
and allow this person

00:54:49.800 --> 00:54:52.320
to come in bleeding
all over the place.

00:54:52.320 --> 00:54:53.790
I believe that was
the individual ended

00:54:53.790 --> 00:54:54.990
up, uh, passing.

00:54:55.860 --> 00:54:58.410
Um, yes, survival
mindset was right.

00:54:58.440 --> 00:55:00.300
But I think afterwards,
some people might have

00:55:00.300 --> 00:55:03.930
a hard time with that
too, like, me over them.

00:55:04.220 --> 00:55:04.760
Well, yeah.

00:55:04.790 --> 00:55:07.550
And that's the part,
again, that we keep

00:55:07.550 --> 00:55:10.790
going back to is, you
know, it's you, and

00:55:11.390 --> 00:55:13.550
afterwards you can
imagine that other people

00:55:13.550 --> 00:55:15.170
say, you know, there
was some guy yelling,

00:55:15.200 --> 00:55:16.160
don't let him in.

00:55:16.160 --> 00:55:17.480
Can you believe
that, that's the

00:55:17.480 --> 00:55:18.920
degradation of society.

00:55:18.920 --> 00:55:21.680
We're all finished as
a, as a human race,

00:55:21.680 --> 00:55:24.810
but you know what,
unfortunately, it's the

00:55:24.810 --> 00:55:26.640
right thing to do in
those kind of moments.

00:55:27.060 --> 00:55:30.630
That person is not your
kin, that person is not,

00:55:31.020 --> 00:55:33.990
you know, in your team,
I'm talking, you know,

00:55:33.990 --> 00:55:36.420
if it was a battlefield
situation and that was

00:55:36.420 --> 00:55:38.430
a member of your squad,
a hundred percent he's

00:55:38.430 --> 00:55:39.900
coming in and we're
going to fight out

00:55:39.900 --> 00:55:42.270
there and fight that guy
back in, because that's

00:55:42.270 --> 00:55:43.230
what we're there to do.

00:55:43.890 --> 00:55:45.810
This is you went
out for dinner on a

00:55:45.810 --> 00:55:47.790
date, that's not what
you're there to do.

00:55:48.930 --> 00:55:50.910
There is the sheepdog
that's going to do it.

00:55:50.910 --> 00:55:52.620
And you know, like
he said, the woman

00:55:52.620 --> 00:55:57.180
that, that let him
in, that's, her inner

00:55:57.180 --> 00:55:58.200
sheepdog came out.

00:55:58.350 --> 00:56:00.780
She just couldn't,
couldn't get beyond

00:56:01.080 --> 00:56:03.270
not helping a fellow
human being and

00:56:03.270 --> 00:56:04.380
that's, that's great.

00:56:05.445 --> 00:56:08.115
But did you know, she,
how much risk did she put

00:56:08.115 --> 00:56:09.195
herself at doing that?

00:56:09.195 --> 00:56:11.325
That that's the part
that we don't know, and

00:56:11.325 --> 00:56:12.615
we can armchair forever.

00:56:12.795 --> 00:56:14.715
People love to armchair,
but I'm just, you

00:56:14.715 --> 00:56:16.485
know, that that's
the way it goes.

00:56:16.875 --> 00:56:19.635
You know, it's funny, you
know, just based solely

00:56:19.635 --> 00:56:22.575
on what you said um,
he talks about looking

00:56:22.575 --> 00:56:24.115
up and seeing the exit.

00:56:24.505 --> 00:56:27.665
That's you know,
sometimes could be

00:56:27.665 --> 00:56:30.335
talked about as a bit
of tunnel vision because

00:56:30.815 --> 00:56:34.295
the activity is there and
within the activity of

00:56:34.295 --> 00:56:37.985
what you're looking at
is the red exit signs.

00:56:37.985 --> 00:56:41.945
So back in the
subconscious exit, but

00:56:42.005 --> 00:56:45.355
in the upfront, in the
cognitive level, not a

00:56:45.355 --> 00:56:50.665
good choice because that
is also the danger area.

00:56:50.665 --> 00:56:52.855
That's the, you
know, we could use

00:56:52.855 --> 00:56:54.585
the term, killzone.

00:56:56.605 --> 00:56:58.495
I got a good story
for afterwards, which

00:56:58.495 --> 00:57:01.075
actually takes us back
to this, but we'll, we'll

00:57:01.075 --> 00:57:03.475
save that, you know,
uh, going ahead, but

00:57:03.475 --> 00:57:04.225
you're, you're right.

00:57:04.225 --> 00:57:06.925
It's it is, you
know, restaurants.

00:57:06.955 --> 00:57:08.935
Hey, you know, we
just heard here in the

00:57:10.045 --> 00:57:11.965
province of British
Columbia, if it depends

00:57:11.965 --> 00:57:13.134
on where you're living
from, we're going to

00:57:13.134 --> 00:57:15.654
have our opening today
is going to be announced

00:57:15.654 --> 00:57:17.755
at one o'clock and
you know, going into

00:57:17.755 --> 00:57:21.265
a restaurant or a bar,
um, it's, you know, you

00:57:21.265 --> 00:57:24.835
can, how many years my
wife and I have been

00:57:24.835 --> 00:57:27.145
together, she understands
that she doesn't even

00:57:27.145 --> 00:57:31.735
try to sit anywhere that
allows me to not keep my

00:57:31.735 --> 00:57:33.115
back away from the door.

00:57:33.865 --> 00:57:37.634
Um, and it's just,
I've done it all my

00:57:37.665 --> 00:57:39.165
pretty much adult life.

00:57:39.734 --> 00:57:42.674
I can't comfortably
sit with my back to the

00:57:42.674 --> 00:57:46.335
room unless I'm sitting
with somebody I trust.

00:57:47.444 --> 00:57:49.995
And if I know that the
person that's sitting

00:57:49.995 --> 00:57:52.815
with the eyes on the
room, I'm good with that.

00:57:53.355 --> 00:57:56.895
But if I'm there with
anybody else, any non,

00:57:57.225 --> 00:58:01.125
um, known entity, I just
can't get comfortable.

00:58:01.185 --> 00:58:03.464
And, and that's just
something I always do.

00:58:03.464 --> 00:58:06.615
And I sit down and I
look, and I see as I'm

00:58:06.645 --> 00:58:09.435
ordering, where's the
in, where's the out.

00:58:10.964 --> 00:58:13.665
Just happens and
it's not a hard way

00:58:13.665 --> 00:58:14.565
to live your life.

00:58:14.745 --> 00:58:15.464
It really isn't.

00:58:15.705 --> 00:58:17.714
It's not, it's not,
it's not overbearing,

00:58:17.714 --> 00:58:19.154
but we going back to
what we talked about

00:58:19.154 --> 00:58:22.365
already, but it's there
because in the moment

00:58:23.444 --> 00:58:26.174
grab a hand, run through
the kitchen, just like

00:58:26.205 --> 00:58:28.275
Jared said, and it would
have been over for him.

00:58:28.815 --> 00:58:29.504
It would have been over.

00:58:29.705 --> 00:58:30.845
So there's other
things that could be

00:58:30.845 --> 00:58:32.835
done in the moment in
something like that.

00:58:33.365 --> 00:58:37.470
Which may or may not
be useful for this

00:58:37.470 --> 00:58:40.529
situation, but we talked
about the mental prep

00:58:40.529 --> 00:58:44.339
before of being able to
identify a person, look

00:58:44.339 --> 00:58:45.930
at their skin color, look
at their height, look at

00:58:45.930 --> 00:58:48.330
their gender, look at any
distinguishing marks that

00:58:48.330 --> 00:58:50.310
they have, that would
be difficult to change.

00:58:50.520 --> 00:58:53.490
Same with vehicle,
even though we all

00:58:53.490 --> 00:58:55.710
know in these sorts of
situations, like Jared's

00:58:55.710 --> 00:58:57.210
talking about there's
stolen vehicles that

00:58:57.210 --> 00:59:01.330
get torched an hour
later, but direction

00:59:01.350 --> 00:59:03.330
of travel, which way
were they heading?

00:59:03.690 --> 00:59:05.160
Because when they're
under the table,

00:59:05.910 --> 00:59:07.830
they called 911 as
I'm sure everybody

00:59:07.830 --> 00:59:08.700
else was as well.

00:59:09.480 --> 00:59:13.470
Uh, the more information
that they can gather in

00:59:13.470 --> 00:59:18.105
the during, the better
off, they will be in

00:59:18.105 --> 00:59:19.545
the afterwards as well.

00:59:19.785 --> 00:59:22.395
And the more they can
articulate and user

00:59:22.395 --> 00:59:24.495
tactical communication,
their, their voice and

00:59:24.495 --> 00:59:26.415
the during in a way
that that's properly

00:59:26.415 --> 00:59:29.415
pre-programmed, that they
they're saying the right

00:59:29.415 --> 00:59:30.615
words in the right way.

00:59:30.884 --> 00:59:32.174
Hey, drop that weapon.

00:59:32.325 --> 00:59:34.214
Everyone looks, they
look at the person you're

00:59:34.214 --> 00:59:35.984
talking to and they
assume that person's

00:59:35.984 --> 00:59:36.855
got a weapon right?

00:59:37.214 --> 00:59:37.575
Whoops.

00:59:37.575 --> 00:59:38.774
They made a mistake,
they didn't have a

00:59:38.774 --> 00:59:40.935
weapon, they're just
being aggressive, but

00:59:40.935 --> 00:59:43.274
they still got that
information out there.

00:59:43.875 --> 00:59:46.065
If they downloaded that
information to their

00:59:46.065 --> 00:59:47.955
head and they used in
that situation, that

00:59:47.955 --> 00:59:50.115
could be a useful thing
in the after as well.

00:59:50.895 --> 00:59:51.345
Um.

00:59:53.315 --> 00:59:54.515
Yeah, that's right.

00:59:54.515 --> 00:59:57.964
I mean, well, we still
talking about the moment

00:59:58.055 --> 01:00:00.725
your code red, it's real
it's happening, but you

01:00:00.725 --> 01:00:03.545
may not be the focus
of whatever the, you

01:00:03.545 --> 01:00:05.855
know, the, the energies
of the attacker is.

01:00:05.944 --> 01:00:08.495
But you're still feeling,
you know, all of the

01:00:08.495 --> 01:00:10.685
other things that come
on when, when it's

01:00:10.685 --> 01:00:11.955
real and going down.

01:00:12.194 --> 01:00:17.490
And trying to keep
yourself, um, focused

01:00:17.490 --> 01:00:20.220
on the thing to be of
some value later is

01:00:20.220 --> 01:00:21.060
some consideration.

01:00:21.060 --> 01:00:22.650
I just, you know, there's
something keeps playing

01:00:22.650 --> 01:00:27.090
in my head when gunfire
happens, particularly a

01:00:27.090 --> 01:00:32.820
handgun, based on four or
five rounds, I've trained

01:00:32.820 --> 01:00:34.950
people to fire over
the years at the range.

01:00:35.640 --> 01:00:39.000
What people tend to do,
is if they're untrained

01:00:39.000 --> 01:00:42.790
with a firearm, is send
rounds to the ground.

01:00:42.930 --> 01:00:43.509
Mhmm.

01:00:44.680 --> 01:00:48.960
And that in, you know,
just some consideration,

01:00:48.960 --> 01:00:52.319
if you're going to lay
flat or stretched across

01:00:52.920 --> 01:00:55.049
towards somebody that's
out there can put you

01:00:55.049 --> 01:00:59.160
in a, a bit of risk at,
you know, ricocheted

01:00:59.160 --> 01:01:00.779
rounds that, that go low.

01:01:00.779 --> 01:01:04.080
So, I mean, if you're
far enough away, it's

01:01:04.080 --> 01:01:07.480
probably not a bad
choice, but stay in

01:01:07.480 --> 01:01:10.000
skinny and tall and
trying to get behind

01:01:10.000 --> 01:01:12.790
something, because again,
that's a more difficult

01:01:12.790 --> 01:01:15.129
target, particularly
at distance, you

01:01:15.129 --> 01:01:16.240
know, all concerned.

01:01:16.240 --> 01:01:18.339
It just kind of
popped into my

01:01:18.339 --> 01:01:19.150
head in the moment.

01:01:19.150 --> 01:01:21.460
That, those would be
some of the things,

01:01:21.910 --> 01:01:26.770
you know, based on my,
you know, makeup of

01:01:26.770 --> 01:01:28.600
experiences might be.

01:01:29.109 --> 01:01:31.690
So I would, I would
consider distances,

01:01:31.690 --> 01:01:33.580
you know, I know how
far people can shoot,

01:01:33.580 --> 01:01:34.330
when they can hit.

01:01:35.140 --> 01:01:37.629
I keep looking at the
way people would shoot

01:01:37.660 --> 01:01:39.970
in those situations
and whether it's aimed

01:01:39.970 --> 01:01:43.060
fire or just, you know,
point and squeeze or

01:01:43.089 --> 01:01:44.230
point and jerk trigger.

01:01:44.230 --> 01:01:45.890
It's mostly point and
click that I seen.

01:01:45.940 --> 01:01:46.390
That's it.

01:01:46.450 --> 01:01:49.900
And that can be darn
effective at a darn

01:01:49.900 --> 01:01:52.720
effective at, at the
shorter ranges and we can

01:01:52.720 --> 01:01:54.100
see that clearly, right.

01:01:54.730 --> 01:01:57.220
Um, but you know, some,
some things, you know.

01:01:57.975 --> 01:02:00.854
If the person comes in
swinging a knife, don't

01:02:00.854 --> 01:02:03.495
get down, get around
something, get, you

01:02:03.495 --> 01:02:05.745
know, get physically,
get the bar between

01:02:05.745 --> 01:02:07.544
you and that person,
get tables between you.

01:02:07.544 --> 01:02:11.774
But if you, if you lay
down, you've lost your

01:02:11.774 --> 01:02:13.305
reactionary time, right.

01:02:13.535 --> 01:02:14.984
Cause now, you've
got to get up to

01:02:14.984 --> 01:02:15.884
move away from them.

01:02:16.785 --> 01:02:17.415
Um.

01:02:18.035 --> 01:02:21.575
You know, when you talk
about rounds hitting the

01:02:21.575 --> 01:02:24.095
ground and the ricochet,
I remember as a kid,

01:02:24.365 --> 01:02:26.615
uh, my father would set
up different shotgun

01:02:26.615 --> 01:02:30.334
shells, green ones,
red ones, blue ones, 12

01:02:30.334 --> 01:02:34.294
gauge, 20 gauge, .410,
and they'd all be on the

01:02:34.294 --> 01:02:38.134
ground at different areas
and call out a color.

01:02:38.165 --> 01:02:38.975
Red, okay.

01:02:38.984 --> 01:02:40.805
Got to bring it
out and try a point

01:02:40.805 --> 01:02:43.024
shooting or body index
shooting or instinctive

01:02:43.024 --> 01:02:43.595
shooting, right.

01:02:43.595 --> 01:02:46.035
And get the gun out
without using the sights.

01:02:46.294 --> 01:02:48.125
Squeeze the trigger,
shoot the shotgun,

01:02:48.185 --> 01:02:50.464
the casing, shotgun
shell on the ground.

01:02:51.254 --> 01:02:53.325
And it didn't take
me long to realize

01:02:53.774 --> 01:02:56.325
I, as long as my
left and right, my

01:02:56.325 --> 01:02:57.315
windage was good.

01:02:58.125 --> 01:03:01.214
Uh, my elevation could
be dead on or pretty much

01:03:01.214 --> 01:03:03.404
anywhere in front of it
cause I could skip the

01:03:03.404 --> 01:03:05.115
round into that shell.

01:03:05.295 --> 01:03:07.424
And so I could speed
things up quite quickly.

01:03:07.515 --> 01:03:09.315
Maybe I didn't quite
get a dead on, but

01:03:09.315 --> 01:03:10.725
I was in front of
it and skipped in.

01:03:10.725 --> 01:03:14.720
So the same thinking
applies to walls.

01:03:14.810 --> 01:03:15.290
That's right.

01:03:15.560 --> 01:03:15.830
Yeah.

01:03:15.830 --> 01:03:17.440
The spall coming
off of, you know.

01:03:17.590 --> 01:03:19.060
Spall and walls.

01:03:19.060 --> 01:03:19.250
Like

01:03:19.270 --> 01:03:21.730
if you're going to hug
a wall going down and

01:03:21.730 --> 01:03:24.160
there's gunfire, you just
got to shoot anywhere

01:03:24.160 --> 01:03:26.200
at you or in front
of you on that wall.

01:03:26.200 --> 01:03:27.790
And you're probably going
to be catching a round.

01:03:28.009 --> 01:03:28.109
Yeah.

01:03:28.419 --> 01:03:30.160
It is something to really
consider, you know,

01:03:30.160 --> 01:03:32.500
people lay down under
a car, but a shot fired

01:03:32.500 --> 01:03:35.590
under the car can also
spall off the asphalt or

01:03:35.740 --> 01:03:36.620
concrete that's there.

01:03:36.640 --> 01:03:39.370
So getting behind a car
means, you know, getting

01:03:39.370 --> 01:03:41.770
behind the wheel, you
know that, so you've

01:03:41.770 --> 01:03:44.000
got that protection of
the tire, physically

01:03:44.020 --> 01:03:46.270
on the ground,and
the rim, you know, to

01:03:46.270 --> 01:03:49.420
stop any spall or, or
indeed any projectiles

01:03:49.420 --> 01:03:49.930
going to need.

01:03:51.040 --> 01:03:53.230
Those are the things,
can you analyze that

01:03:53.230 --> 01:03:54.370
quickly in the moment?

01:03:54.960 --> 01:03:57.690
No, but if you've
thought about it before,

01:03:57.780 --> 01:04:00.000
these are the things,
this is the plan.

01:04:00.030 --> 01:04:01.530
This is the plan
that you made.

01:04:01.530 --> 01:04:04.140
We're talking code
red, we're talking

01:04:04.140 --> 01:04:05.850
execution of the plan.

01:04:06.390 --> 01:04:09.570
Uh, some other things to
consider is, you know, if

01:04:09.600 --> 01:04:13.560
whatever you're doing is
not working in code red,

01:04:14.460 --> 01:04:17.160
like this is not making
things better for me.

01:04:19.000 --> 01:04:20.000
Oh.

01:04:20.030 --> 01:04:21.050
Pivot and adapt.

01:04:21.070 --> 01:04:21.860
Right.

01:04:21.860 --> 01:04:24.870
Have you have you,
in the planning stage

01:04:24.900 --> 01:04:26.910
before any of this
happened, come up with,

01:04:27.210 --> 01:04:29.610
you know, a scenario in
your mind, I'm punching

01:04:29.610 --> 01:04:33.090
somebody I'm, I'm doing
the attack that I'd

01:04:33.090 --> 01:04:35.130
always thought I would
do in this situation,

01:04:35.130 --> 01:04:37.779
it's not working, so
what's the secondary?

01:04:38.049 --> 01:04:41.150
Those judo chops that I
was practicing so much,

01:04:41.630 --> 01:04:43.700
man, they just didn't
work quite as good.

01:04:44.730 --> 01:04:44.990
Yeah.

01:04:44.990 --> 01:04:47.420
And you know, the, and
the, the, the compliant

01:04:47.420 --> 01:04:50.690
partner I had in the gym
who would lay down and

01:04:50.690 --> 01:04:53.630
scream, you know, this,
person's not doing that.

01:04:53.630 --> 01:04:57.140
So it's always, you
know, plan a, the

01:04:57.140 --> 01:05:00.410
simplest plan b uh,
when a isn't working.

01:05:00.770 --> 01:05:04.460
And boy, if it's plan
c, this has gotta be a

01:05:04.460 --> 01:05:07.310
really effective thing.

01:05:08.090 --> 01:05:10.850
Uh, but it's, it's gonna
be, you know, almost at

01:05:10.850 --> 01:05:16.860
the point where getting
distance becomes the most

01:05:16.860 --> 01:05:17.880
important to regroup.

01:05:18.630 --> 01:05:22.530
I just, one of the most
incredible conversations

01:05:22.530 --> 01:05:29.130
I ever had, um, the
RCMP years ago, fully

01:05:29.130 --> 01:05:32.070
embraced the Gregg method
of instinctive shooting.

01:05:32.310 --> 01:05:35.400
Um, and some of the
older RCMP members

01:05:35.400 --> 01:05:37.470
that I know that can
tell you about this.

01:05:37.470 --> 01:05:40.170
And, and Gregg had
developed is the,

01:05:40.170 --> 01:05:43.110
what was his last name
two G's, a system of

01:05:43.110 --> 01:05:44.310
sightless shooting.

01:05:44.430 --> 01:05:44.790
Right.

01:05:44.850 --> 01:05:47.640
And when he trained
you initially, you

01:05:47.640 --> 01:05:50.160
would use 22 rifles
that had no sights

01:05:50.160 --> 01:05:53.550
on them, and you were
actually holding them

01:05:53.580 --> 01:05:54.900
clearly out of the aim.

01:05:55.170 --> 01:05:58.694
And by gosh, you could
hit an amazing amount

01:05:58.694 --> 01:06:02.205
of stuff as you trained
in the Gregg method of

01:06:02.205 --> 01:06:04.964
sightless shooting and
without getting into it

01:06:04.964 --> 01:06:10.484
too much, it was adopted
in the RCMP training and

01:06:10.515 --> 01:06:13.095
they referred to it as
instinctive shooting.

01:06:13.125 --> 01:06:13.424
Right.

01:06:13.785 --> 01:06:17.325
And it's a word that
absolute or a phrase

01:06:17.325 --> 01:06:20.685
that absolutely curdles
my urine when I heal

01:06:20.685 --> 01:06:21.944
or hear people use it.

01:06:22.725 --> 01:06:25.395
But I'll just tell you,
this is how, if you

01:06:25.424 --> 01:06:27.734
think you have a plan
and you're trained with

01:06:27.734 --> 01:06:31.065
a plan and you're in
code red, what to do.

01:06:31.365 --> 01:06:37.050
So this RCMP officer,
um, long story short,

01:06:37.080 --> 01:06:38.340
a robbery occurs.

01:06:38.670 --> 01:06:41.910
He sees the robbery
suspect, he's in

01:06:42.300 --> 01:06:43.440
the police vehicle.

01:06:43.890 --> 01:06:47.400
He stops the individual
who immediately

01:06:47.400 --> 01:06:49.530
exits his vehicle.

01:06:50.190 --> 01:06:54.390
He draws his six shot
revolver and from the

01:06:54.390 --> 01:06:58.920
Gregg method of, and he's
basically shooting well

01:06:58.920 --> 01:07:00.360
below his line of sight.

01:07:00.360 --> 01:07:01.200
He's seeing.

01:07:01.380 --> 01:07:02.160
Cause that's
how he taught.

01:07:02.160 --> 01:07:02.650
That was the
Gregg method.

01:07:02.650 --> 01:07:03.390
How they're taught.

01:07:03.390 --> 01:07:06.480
And it was the sort
of a triangle press

01:07:06.480 --> 01:07:07.590
out from your body.

01:07:07.950 --> 01:07:10.740
And your eyes are up here
and the guns down there.

01:07:10.740 --> 01:07:13.080
And he's shooting at
the bad guy who in turn

01:07:13.410 --> 01:07:16.860
is one arm extents and
shooting back at him.

01:07:18.210 --> 01:07:21.660
And they start aroundy
round the police car and

01:07:21.660 --> 01:07:23.790
aroundy rounds happening
and they're, both of

01:07:23.790 --> 01:07:24.480
them are shooting.

01:07:24.870 --> 01:07:28.380
He fires his six
rounds, he recognizes

01:07:28.380 --> 01:07:29.460
that he's unloaded.

01:07:29.670 --> 01:07:33.149
He accesses his
speed loader, reloads

01:07:33.180 --> 01:07:36.419
fabulously, he's got six
fresh rounds ready to go.

01:07:36.419 --> 01:07:39.089
And he says he couldn't,
he doesn't even recall

01:07:39.270 --> 01:07:41.609
the reload it went
so smoothly, you

01:07:41.609 --> 01:07:43.919
know, clean ejection
of the spent cases.

01:07:43.980 --> 01:07:46.529
And he starts
firing that method.

01:07:47.910 --> 01:07:50.339
And he goes through
his full 18 rounds,

01:07:50.370 --> 01:07:53.640
the six in the gun, the
12 off his belt, bad

01:07:53.640 --> 01:07:55.529
guy goes through the
magazine that he had in

01:07:55.589 --> 01:07:57.089
a semiautomatic pistol.

01:07:57.810 --> 01:08:00.299
And now it's one of those
dead silence because

01:08:00.299 --> 01:08:01.440
there's no more gunfire.

01:08:01.649 --> 01:08:02.700
Nobody's got ammo.

01:08:04.080 --> 01:08:06.870
Neither one of them
were hit in this

01:08:06.899 --> 01:08:10.740
exchange that, you
know, in probably 10

01:08:10.740 --> 01:08:12.569
plus rounds fired on
the part of the bad guy

01:08:12.569 --> 01:08:15.120
from his semiautomatic
pistol, 18 rounds fired

01:08:15.120 --> 01:08:16.710
from the revolver.

01:08:17.189 --> 01:08:19.139
And I said to him, you
know, when I got the

01:08:19.139 --> 01:08:20.490
opportunity to speak
to him, I said, well,

01:08:20.490 --> 01:08:22.080
why didn't you just
put the sights on him?

01:08:23.385 --> 01:08:25.455
No one ever talked
about using that.

01:08:25.915 --> 01:08:29.295
It was never something
that was offered up as

01:08:29.295 --> 01:08:33.735
a solution to the bad
guy, not falling down.

01:08:34.085 --> 01:08:37.205
You will respond exactly
as you've trained.

01:08:37.295 --> 01:08:37.775
Correct.

01:08:37.895 --> 01:08:40.115
To your lowest level
of training that you've

01:08:40.115 --> 01:08:42.485
been able to perfect,
is where you'll respond.

01:08:42.545 --> 01:08:45.335
And Peter principle can
also come into place.

01:08:45.365 --> 01:08:45.545
Correct.

01:08:45.545 --> 01:08:49.815
And I will tell you, or,
from every single person

01:08:49.815 --> 01:08:52.935
that I have trained in
uniform, that the most

01:08:52.935 --> 01:08:55.825
important thing is to
learn to use your sights.

01:08:56.505 --> 01:08:59.775
Everything else is just
frosting on the cake.

01:09:00.225 --> 01:09:02.385
If you need in
that last moment to

01:09:02.385 --> 01:09:03.015
use your firearm.

01:09:03.015 --> 01:09:05.925
So anyways, not that
I'm advocating anybody

01:09:05.925 --> 01:09:09.645
use a firearm, but that
is the understanding.

01:09:09.645 --> 01:09:11.295
When you come up
with a technique,

01:09:11.495 --> 01:09:14.415
the first thing that
you practice is the

01:09:14.505 --> 01:09:15.615
full-proof side of it.

01:09:15.735 --> 01:09:16.095
Right.

01:09:16.125 --> 01:09:18.255
And then everything
else goes to support it.

01:09:18.315 --> 01:09:18.495
So.

01:09:18.875 --> 01:09:21.335
Hick's law, not Peter
principle Hicks laws.

01:09:21.335 --> 01:09:24.065
What I was thinking
of and Hick's law

01:09:24.095 --> 01:09:26.375
essentially says that
the more options that

01:09:26.375 --> 01:09:29.435
you have in your head,
the more likely you

01:09:29.435 --> 01:09:32.525
are to dither between
choosing one of them in

01:09:32.525 --> 01:09:33.815
a stressful situation.

01:09:34.085 --> 01:09:36.695
So if you have that
one option, which is,

01:09:36.815 --> 01:09:39.155
we use a sights or my
one option that I've

01:09:39.155 --> 01:09:40.165
really downloaded.

01:09:40.205 --> 01:09:42.245
If I have to fight,
I fight hard and I

01:09:42.245 --> 01:09:43.145
fight aggressively.

01:09:43.175 --> 01:09:44.705
I'm not afraid
to be dirty and

01:09:44.705 --> 01:09:45.725
use hair or eyes.

01:09:46.205 --> 01:09:50.625
Um, that can really play
to your benefit when that

01:09:50.625 --> 01:09:52.064
adrenal fog kicks in.

01:09:52.365 --> 01:09:52.965
Correct.

01:09:53.075 --> 01:09:56.615
And, oh, let's talk about
what happens if you've

01:09:56.615 --> 01:10:01.565
planned, it's code red
and suddenly you find

01:10:01.565 --> 01:10:04.715
yourself completely
unable to fight

01:10:04.715 --> 01:10:06.545
without emotion or ego.

01:10:07.055 --> 01:10:08.885
And all of a sudden,
your feet are stuck

01:10:08.885 --> 01:10:11.885
to the ground and you
realize, wow, all I'm

01:10:11.885 --> 01:10:15.035
doing is breathing
at, you know, any

01:10:15.275 --> 01:10:19.595
highly, um, accelerated
rate of respiration.

01:10:19.894 --> 01:10:23.885
You know, there's horns
honking in my ears.

01:10:23.915 --> 01:10:25.925
The lights are flashing
and everything else.

01:10:26.985 --> 01:10:29.295
Get out of that, that
should be another plan.

01:10:29.745 --> 01:10:32.595
And that's that, you
know, um, autogenic

01:10:32.595 --> 01:10:35.205
breathing, just blow
your lungs clear.

01:10:35.355 --> 01:10:37.755
Well, your lungs clear,
empty your lungs,

01:10:37.755 --> 01:10:40.545
shake your head just a
little bit, slap your

01:10:40.545 --> 01:10:41.894
hands on your thighs.

01:10:41.955 --> 01:10:43.335
Just get, get
some, you know,

01:10:43.335 --> 01:10:45.615
physical stimulation
there, back in.

01:10:45.644 --> 01:10:47.655
Now, you know, those
things that maybe

01:10:47.655 --> 01:10:51.014
break in that, that fog
that's occurred that,

01:10:51.434 --> 01:10:53.625
and you use the word
mental fibrillation

01:10:53.625 --> 01:10:54.974
or tactical dithering.

01:10:55.394 --> 01:10:56.955
You know, those, those
are the things that

01:10:56.955 --> 01:10:58.095
can potentially happen.

01:10:58.095 --> 01:11:03.585
And unfortunately I have
seen that effect occur

01:11:03.585 --> 01:11:07.394
in others, in some very
tough situations that

01:11:07.394 --> 01:11:11.474
I've had the fortune,
good fortune to be a

01:11:11.474 --> 01:11:13.065
part of, so I can talk
about it later, the

01:11:13.065 --> 01:11:16.605
misfortune to be in some
pretty, you know, tough

01:11:16.605 --> 01:11:17.565
scrapes in the moment.

01:11:18.375 --> 01:11:20.795
But you can watch others
and yeah, and it's, it's

01:11:20.795 --> 01:11:23.195
a thing to, to take that
with you as well, but how

01:11:23.195 --> 01:11:24.095
do you break out of that?

01:11:24.545 --> 01:11:27.720
Autogenic breathing
just absolute complete

01:11:27.720 --> 01:11:30.240
emptying of your lungs
takes, you know, all

01:11:30.240 --> 01:11:34.800
of a sudden your, your
whole physical being is

01:11:34.800 --> 01:11:37.110
now coming back online.

01:11:37.120 --> 01:11:39.210
It's almost like
a restart and that

01:11:39.210 --> 01:11:40.770
could be a huge help.

01:11:41.160 --> 01:11:43.920
Um, again, slapping your
hands and your thighs,

01:11:44.160 --> 01:11:46.290
give your head a little
shake, you know, that,

01:11:46.290 --> 01:11:47.970
that pinching, some
of those things can

01:11:47.970 --> 01:11:48.900
just bring . You back.

01:11:49.230 --> 01:11:49.770
Interesting.

01:11:49.830 --> 01:11:51.660
No guarantees, but
you know, having

01:11:51.660 --> 01:11:54.610
something, uh, to, to
work with on that case.

01:11:54.610 --> 01:11:56.360
That's, that's a good
point, little, little

01:11:56.390 --> 01:11:59.054
physical tips that
people can do to kind of

01:11:59.054 --> 01:12:01.875
break that psychological
block that they're in.

01:12:02.355 --> 01:12:05.174
When two things that
I've used in the

01:12:05.174 --> 01:12:07.815
past, if you're in a
stressful situation, a

01:12:07.815 --> 01:12:11.085
box breathing where you
three seconds in, hold

01:12:11.085 --> 01:12:13.394
it for three seconds,
three seconds out, hold

01:12:13.394 --> 01:12:15.134
it for three seconds,
three seconds in, and

01:12:15.134 --> 01:12:16.245
just keep repeating that.

01:12:16.724 --> 01:12:18.315
And that's one
way to help calm

01:12:18.315 --> 01:12:19.335
yourself in a suit.

01:12:19.844 --> 01:12:23.384
And I mean, even in
mountaineering or rock

01:12:23.384 --> 01:12:24.974
climbing, and I know
you've done a fair bit

01:12:24.974 --> 01:12:26.464
of that, there's been
situations where you.

01:12:26.464 --> 01:12:28.514
That was a long time ago.

01:12:28.795 --> 01:12:30.794
Where you've, I know
there's been situations

01:12:30.794 --> 01:12:33.014
where I've found myself
in areas where I'm over

01:12:33.014 --> 01:12:37.964
my head and you have,
that, you can't stop, you

01:12:37.964 --> 01:12:40.125
can't move back and you
have to press forward.

01:12:40.125 --> 01:12:42.794
And one of the things
that I just do, I can,

01:12:42.825 --> 01:12:45.195
I can, I can, just
some sort of a mantra

01:12:45.195 --> 01:12:46.754
that goes through your
head and you just do

01:12:46.754 --> 01:12:50.655
it and you can achieve
some otherwise maybe

01:12:51.165 --> 01:12:53.894
seemingly superhuman
type things or what other

01:12:53.894 --> 01:12:55.785
people would sit back
and say, how the hell

01:12:55.785 --> 01:12:56.685
does that person do it?

01:12:56.685 --> 01:12:58.575
It's because you're
a very singular in

01:12:58.575 --> 01:13:00.255
your purpose and
what you're doing.

01:13:00.345 --> 01:13:02.745
And you keep repeating
that to yourself as you

01:13:02.745 --> 01:13:03.495
work your way through.

01:13:04.445 --> 01:13:04.655
Yeah.

01:13:04.685 --> 01:13:07.955
And I've always, uh,
well, mine is, you

01:13:07.955 --> 01:13:10.025
know, get on it, get
on it, get on it,

01:13:10.085 --> 01:13:10.985
get on it, get on it.

01:13:11.075 --> 01:13:13.535
And that's the thing that
yells in, in, you know.

01:13:16.925 --> 01:13:20.615
Brian, what's your Brian,
Brian Calgary police

01:13:20.615 --> 01:13:25.265
retired now, but he talks
about the wind principle.

01:13:25.710 --> 01:13:26.010
Mm.

01:13:26.220 --> 01:13:28.440
And what's important
now, and I'm not going

01:13:28.440 --> 01:13:32.010
to steal his thunder and
we'll get his name here

01:13:32.130 --> 01:13:33.660
for the next podcast.

01:13:34.110 --> 01:13:37.740
And you should listen
to him talk and he

01:13:37.770 --> 01:13:41.040
continually repeats
the  mantra, WIN,

01:13:41.250 --> 01:13:42.600
what's important now.

01:13:42.900 --> 01:13:43.290
Okay.

01:13:43.350 --> 01:13:46.410
So now I've put myself
in a better position.

01:13:46.740 --> 01:13:49.110
I've got distance
from the subject,

01:13:49.170 --> 01:13:50.820
what's important now?

01:13:50.910 --> 01:13:52.470
Do I continue
to move away?

01:13:52.800 --> 01:13:55.920
Do I now have to
rescue somebody else,

01:13:55.920 --> 01:13:57.060
what's important now?

01:13:57.060 --> 01:13:59.930
And it evolves,
it evolves because

01:14:00.270 --> 01:14:02.970
you're now taking
successional steps,

01:14:02.970 --> 01:14:04.950
you've done something,
what's important now.

01:14:05.370 --> 01:14:08.460
And of course, then
in the end you win.

01:14:08.780 --> 01:14:10.400
That's a, uh, an
adaption of your

01:14:10.460 --> 01:14:12.820
OODA loop, observe,
orient, decide and act.

01:14:12.820 --> 01:14:13.030
Correct.

01:14:13.030 --> 01:14:17.360
And everybody's got their
thing, I guess, last

01:14:17.360 --> 01:14:17.960
name's going to come.

01:14:17.960 --> 01:14:19.490
We'll we'll have it
for your everybody

01:14:19.490 --> 01:14:20.990
here uh, shortly.

01:14:22.394 --> 01:14:22.875
Okay.

01:14:23.235 --> 01:14:24.644
Do we want to talk
about anything else

01:14:24.644 --> 01:14:26.355
in the during, or do
we want to save the

01:14:26.355 --> 01:14:27.165
rest for the after?

01:14:27.495 --> 01:14:31.295
I think, uh, get
rid of your ego, get

01:14:31.295 --> 01:14:32.315
rid of your emotion.

01:14:33.275 --> 01:14:37.175
Your purpose is singular
it's to make whatever

01:14:37.175 --> 01:14:41.644
is that high degree of
stress, right there, an

01:14:41.644 --> 01:14:45.155
attack or imminent attack
or an imminent threat to

01:14:45.155 --> 01:14:50.014
your life or wellbeing
stop or get away from it.

01:14:51.035 --> 01:14:53.615
And, and to do it, you
know, as efficiently

01:14:53.615 --> 01:14:57.304
as your physicality,
uh, your training or

01:14:57.304 --> 01:14:59.014
your experience will
allow you to do it.

01:14:59.045 --> 01:15:00.485
And that's, that's
the thing, get rid

01:15:00.485 --> 01:15:01.085
of the emotion.

01:15:01.925 --> 01:15:02.285
Really.

01:15:02.644 --> 01:15:03.394
Don't be afraid.

01:15:03.775 --> 01:15:06.575
Uh, not don't be
afraid, you're going

01:15:06.575 --> 01:15:09.905
to be afraid, take your
fear and turn it into

01:15:09.905 --> 01:15:11.255
righteous indignation.

01:15:11.764 --> 01:15:14.224
That's an important thing
for people to understand.

01:15:15.275 --> 01:15:16.415
Everybody gets scared.

01:15:18.120 --> 01:15:19.020
Totally.

01:15:19.080 --> 01:15:19.350
Sure.

01:15:19.410 --> 01:15:19.800
It's normal.

01:15:19.800 --> 01:15:22.230
You should be scared
in that situation, but

01:15:22.260 --> 01:15:25.590
take from that fear, the
strength and just the

01:15:25.590 --> 01:15:29.340
words are how dare, how
dare you do this to me?

01:15:29.340 --> 01:15:31.890
How dare you do
this to that person?

01:15:31.890 --> 01:15:36.480
How, how dare you
change my life right

01:15:36.480 --> 01:15:37.980
now by doing this thing.

01:15:38.580 --> 01:15:40.440
And that will give
you the, you know, the

01:15:40.440 --> 01:15:41.550
ability to continue on.

01:15:42.120 --> 01:15:44.850
But, um, no, I
distracted myself

01:15:44.850 --> 01:15:45.810
from the fear side.

01:15:46.390 --> 01:15:48.470
Uh, it'll come back.

01:15:48.730 --> 01:15:49.090
Okay.

01:15:50.840 --> 01:15:53.309
Okay, Paul, let's
wrap this one up.

01:15:53.400 --> 01:15:55.469
If the listeners have
anything that they

01:15:55.469 --> 01:15:57.780
would like to add,
well, they might have a

01:15:57.780 --> 01:15:59.370
difficult time on this
because we're going to

01:15:59.370 --> 01:16:02.280
be recording our after
right, right now, but

01:16:02.280 --> 01:16:04.969
we can definitely post
it up on social media.

01:16:04.969 --> 01:16:05.619
For sure.

01:16:05.650 --> 01:16:09.000
And if the demand is
there, I'm happy to make

01:16:09.000 --> 01:16:11.400
a synopsis of all of
these things and put it

01:16:11.400 --> 01:16:13.980
up into blog posts for
people to be able to have

01:16:13.980 --> 01:16:15.509
some downloadable assets.

01:16:15.980 --> 01:16:16.460
Absolutely.

01:16:16.759 --> 01:16:29.800
Thank you very much Paul.