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This is Deathby DVD.

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You are listening to Harry Scott Sullivan in keeping with deathby DVD's policy of bringing

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you the latest in blood and guts and in high fidelity you are going to hear another first.

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The story of Christine Chubbuck.

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An enigmatic story that we really only know the end to.

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The middle and the beginning not just lost a time but almost erased.

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A true story that has been sensationalized into film.

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Two of them well, three of them and we'll be discussing those on this episode as well

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as Christine but unfortunately most of our discussion is about the end of the story.

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The discussion on Christine herself will be hypothetical and theoretical because I just said we really know the ending.

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The beginning and middle has been lost or suppressed.

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And of course we'll get into the reasons for all of that also because why would I say something so mysterious if I didn't intend to eventually talk about it.

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We'll begin with the movies.

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Christine from 2016 directed by Antonio Campos written by Craig Shalowick starring Rebecca Hall and Michael C Hall.

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Then we've got Kate Plays Christine 2016 also written directed by Robert Green.

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This is a pseudo documentary about Christine Chubbuck and an actress who is going to be playing her.

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Kate Sheel plays Christine.

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You might remember her from your next.

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Touching back upon the other film Rebecca Hall plays Christine.

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Then we've got a movie from 1976 by Sydney Lumet called Network.

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You should know about this at this point.

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I think I mean I'm not trying to...

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Who am I to fucking tell you what you should and shouldn't know when it comes to what?

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I think this one is pretty widely accessible and well known.

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This is a classic.

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I'd say a classic.

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Got Robert DuVall, Faye Down Away, William Holden.

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This movie obviously isn't about Christine Chubbuck.

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This film was inspired by Christine Chubbuck.

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And it's important that we bring this up and reference it throughout this episode because...

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I don't know.

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I can't give it away all too soon. Look at me.

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It is important though.

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So just register it, have these movies in the back of your mind or I guess in the front of them because we're about to talk about them.

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Christine from 2016 and Kate plays Christine.

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Both are pretty much based on an article written by a woman named Sally Quinn titled Christine Chubbuck 29.

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Good looking, educated, a television personality, dead, live and in color.

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The Antonio Campos film tells the story of some sorts.

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It at least attempts to paint a picture and give you an idea of the entity, the person who Christine Chubbuck is.

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Though it unfortunately ends up exploiting her.

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Kate plays Christine, as I mentioned, as a pseudo-documentary.

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More or less about this actress's struggle to try and connect with Christine.

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And it also far more than the Antonio Campos film exploits her.

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Horribly so, disappointingly so.

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Why?

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Well, have I gave it all away now?

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What would be the point?

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I'll get to it.

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Network by Sidney Lumitt is about an anchor who is going to be let go and decides that he is going to announce to the world.

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He's going to kill himself live on television.

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His network then decides to exploit that for ratings as hard as they can, which turns into a very eye-opening piece, not just about the media, not just about capitalism, but about the people around you.

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All in good time.

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All in good time.

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We will discuss it all.

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Before we discuss those films, we need to talk about Christine Shubbick.

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We need to talk about this human.

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This isn't just a subject matter.

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This isn't just a movie.

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We're not just going to be discussing somebody's suicide.

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We did something like this once with Patty Hearst.

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There is a true story to this.

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You have the sensationalized Hollywood.

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And not so Hollywood version.

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You've got what you can Google.

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You can find it on clickbait 13, most haunting stories.

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You can't believe it true.

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But the entity, the person, the human that was behind all of this, there was somebody with a soul I don't care what you were.

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Religious preferences are your spirituality. The idea of a soul energy, undistructible energy that exists whether you like it or not.

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This person had one.

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It existed. They existed.

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They were a child once. They were a teenager.

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They had dreams, hopes, aspirations.

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The end of the story is all that anyone seems to know when it comes to Christine Shubbick.

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It's kind of depressing.

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I mean, look at your life.

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What if anybody just knew the end?

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All your achievements, all your hopes, all the things you worked on and put your love and your blood and your sweat and your tears into just wiped away because of the ending of your story?

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And even more so than that, I mean, your dead, theoretically speaking.

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It doesn't affect you. You don't know anything.

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You don't have an idea that you're being exploited or used or your death and message have been completely lost upon people.

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The important thing here is literally dignity, human love, loving your brother, your neighbor, dignity.

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So we're gonna get into some territories tonight as we did with Patty Hearst.

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We talked about Paul Schrader's film, which was an excellent film, is an excellent film, rather.

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We talked about the Symbini's Liberation Army. We talked about Patty Hearst.

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But guess what? Guess what?

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Guess what, man? You're not gonna believe it. You're not gonna believe it.

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We're gonna do the same thing again tonight.

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Somehow, some fucking way.

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But if you listen to that, you listen to the whole three-part special.

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You have an understanding of what I'm gonna try and do here.

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Not try. What I will do here.

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So, when you came into this episode, there was a warning.

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I'm gonna just personally stress again. We are going to be discussing suicide, ending your own life.

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We're gonna talk about depression, anxiety.

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A lot of this will be theoretical, a lot of its hypothetical. I'm not a fucking doctor.

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I have no degree, I have no background in what I'm talking about.

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This is all theoretical. But listen at your own risk, regardless.

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It is a very serious subject matter.

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It's not something to joke about, it's not something to make fun of.

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And it certainly isn't something to exploit, but unfortunately, the subject matter

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that we further will get into, I think, is 100% exploitation,

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and I don't mean that in the good way that we usually discuss on this show.

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Not trauma exploitation. It's not a video nasty, though.

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It is going to get nasty.

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Oh, isn't it so much fun when we spend time together?

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But I'm fucking telling you, it's not about the negativity.

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It's not about the sensationalization. This isn't going to be...

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The end of the story, like I've been talking about, is already sufficiently well known.

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What happened to Christine Schubbick is very well known.

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There's so much more to that, there's so much more to an entity, there's so much more to anything.

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I mean, we sensationalized Kurt Cobain to the extent that we published his private journals.

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We, I mean, I say like, we, I had something to do with it.

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But I mean, we as a whole, we as consumers, it was something that was sought after.

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People went out of their way to buy it.

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We celebrate this person who shot themselves in the head.

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And I'm not going to fucking talk about theories and Courtney Love.

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Okay, let's just go with what's on fucking paper here.

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First and committed suicide, and then they're worshiped pretty much.

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You can go home and read the private thoughts of this person from when they were 17 years old

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and hard back or paper back, whatever's more convenient. Maybe even you could get it on Kindle.

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I don't know.

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But Christine Chubbuck has been erased from the earth.

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Christine's work, her art, her soul, what she stood for it, it just is gone.

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Poof!

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What we have left over is this grim, awful reminder.

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Oh yeah, that's that chick that killed herself on live TV.

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Nothing else. Nothing personal.

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And I can't really dig deep.

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Kate plays Christine for the most part is about this actress attempting to connect with Christine Schubbick

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and is attempting to dig deep and find out information about her.

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So we have a whole movie pretty much finding out that there's not a lot that you can find.

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You can find some interesting things.

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You can find a 40-page police report.

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You can find Christine Chubbuck, 29, good-looking, educated, a television personality dead, live, and in color by Sally Quinn,

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which Kate plays Christine is literally the actress just reading this.

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And then every now and again they have some unsolved mystery styles to be quite honest.

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And I'm not trying to attack so soon, but unsolved mysteries, as especially now,

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much higher quality re-adexments than what we're getting here.

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And offers really nothing original or any new insight to who the human being was.

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So who the fuck is Christine Chubbuck outside of somebody that committed suicide on television in 1974?

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I can read Wikipedia.

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I can tell you research that I've done and all of it comes back to the same thing.

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She was born in Ohio.

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She later moved to Boston, and then she later moved to Florida, where she eventually killed herself live on WXLTV

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with a Smith & Wesson 38-Caliber air-weight revolver loaded with wad-cutters.

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Now, the only reason I bring up the type of bullet Christine used is I just genuinely found it a little interesting.

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Wad-cutters aren't typically used for defense. They're not typically loaded with a 38-Caliber design specifically for paper.

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They're target bullets, or rather bullets made for target practice.

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Now, if you Google Wad-cutters, the first thing that you're going to see is people also ask,

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are wad-cutters good for self-defense?

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Wad-cutters also have the potential for surprisingly effective wound ballistics out of a small revolver

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compared to conventional self-defense ammo, even though the wad-cutter doesn't actually expand,

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hence, dependents rate soft tissue very reliably. Right under that, can wad-cutters kill?

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Wad-cutters are designed to leave clean-edged holes in paper for shooting competitions.

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The wad-cutter and semi-wad-cutter bullets are designed the way they are to cut nice, clean holes, and paper targets for scoring.

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But, they're just as deadly as any other bullet. So that's Google.

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We're going to talk about this more later on, but it's something that I wanted you to tuck away and just remember.

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And then when we bring it up, you'll be like, "Oh, yeah, well."

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Good thing Hank talked about that earlier.

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Her father somehow was related to the Fairbanks, and her early upbringing is just kind of a shrug and anigma wrapped in a shroud.

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We don't know. No one really knows anything about her, her family obviously, maybe close friends if she ever really had anything.

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You can read the same statements about her. She was strange. She was isolated. She didn't get all on well with other people.

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In high school, she started a club called the "Dateless Wonder Club." It's just a lot of morose facts. There's nothing about the person.

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The only way that you can really develop a sense as to who Christine was is by reading the police report, is by attempting to hunt down, and it's not like it's hard.

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And find what people had to say about her, which for the most part was almost all the same thing.

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She's a very particular and peculiar person, but that could be said really for anybody.

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Christine Shubbick, I personally feel, was an artist, and took that very, very seriously and took her job and her life incredibly seriously.

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In 1965, she earned a degree from Boston University in broadcasting. Her early career and for the most part all of her career was pretty unremarkable.

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She worked very hard and she had a lot of passion, but you know, it wasn't Walter Cronkite, it wasn't Barbara Walters. Nothing really. No ground was broken. She hadn't gotten even to the point at her death in life to break ground.

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But she had an idea. She had a clue. She had a direction. She had a message, and she had words that she needed to get out.

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The thing about Christine, the thing that's interesting is her death. The only reason people know about her is because of her death.

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The only reason she's been sensationalized in the manner she has in two different pictures is because of her death. Her story was used for network.

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Again, further sensationalizing it. But it's funny how the media works, it's funny how ratings work, and it's funny what people find truly interesting.

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It's never so much their story, it's never so much why it's just the blood and guts.

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I could go through all the same things. I could tell you that she's lonely. I could tell you that she's depressed.

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But after a few weeks of dedicating my time to trying to dig up as much as I possibly could, trying to just hear her voice, I feel there's so much more to this than anyone ever wants to talk about.

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I think there's blame even to a certain extent that has never been recognized. It has never been brought up.

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And I think the point mostly is that since her death, Christine has just been exploited the entity, the person, all that has been done to her is exploitation.

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She had a point. And I guess where we're going to get with this episode is to her point or my idea of what her point was.

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I can't say anything for certain. As I said earlier, I speaking hypothetically for the most part here.

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I can't give you any certainties. I can't give you any facts. I can tell you what I've read and what I've researched and what I think about all of it.

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And obviously that's what we're going to be doing here, but I just want to state again.

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You know, this isn't set in stone. For all intents and purposes, Christine only exists in death. The sensationalization of that.

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The power of that, I guess. How entertaining it is. How shocking it is.

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Can you believe this happened? Read about this at three in the morning while scrolling through your phone endlessly. There's more to it than that. There's more to anything than that.

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I mean, I got it. I hope I don't need to go into a rant here explaining that there's much more to it than that.

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I don't know. It's it's it's it's concerning. You know, I came into this not knowing anything about Christine.

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I know that she committed suicide and I wanted to see Christine for quite some time the 2016 film by Antonio Campos and I put it off. You know, it's not the greatest subject matter, especially when you know how it's going to end.

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It's a 90 minute film and I know it's going to end very upsetting. And personally for me, suicide, suicide in general, whether it's on film, you hear about it, you read about it, I find it very upsetting.

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It's a lot of life bothers me doesn't just have to be a suicide, even if it's a bad guy or what we perceive to be bad guys, the loss of life genuinely upsends me and bothers me, you know, that whole thing I was raving about at the beginning about souls and energy.

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That's another episode for another day. I just I wanted to see it, you know, and I I don't I've never seen Dexter.

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What the fuck hang what do you mean never seen Dexter? I get that all the time, but I like Michael C. Hall. I've seen him believe it or not and other things from, you know, aside from Dexter. And that was kind of a pull for me like, okay, you know, I want to see him and something different.

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I I'm into this idea and again, I just never got around to doing it because it's upsetting says the guy that sits in watch his Paris, Texas for fun. It's sad. I didn't want to watch it. Yeah, fuck me. I know.

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So obviously at some point in the last two months, I fucking saw Christine and that's why we're here. That's that's really what brought me here is I watched the film and I was astounded. It's very well shot. It's it's to me. Well written again. I think it it everything aside from network.

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Barrows or directly uses Sally Quinn's article short story, whatever you want to call it about Christine, shovic, but this had some originality to it this as I am going to be forced to do tonight took a lot of liberties with the personality of Christine.

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You have to really sit and when when you have so little available and what you have available is really like an incomplete puzzle and you get halfway to finishing it like the whole center piece of this puzzle is completely gone and you don't know what to do.

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So you have to take everything surrounding it you attempt to fill in the gaps and that's what this film did is what K plays Christine does and what I'm also going to do is you know tell you what I think it's all I can do.

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I'm not going to try and perpetuate anything here. I'm not going to try and answer any questions and that's the you know I want to either so many questions I have in my head.

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There's so many things that don't make sense to me and none of these films.

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None of them answer it. There's there's not a fucking answer to anything.

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The closest I guess you're going to get any answers to the question is network.

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We'll get there when we get there. Christine is a heavy dramatization of what might have happened what might have led up.

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You've got a lot of things that in the truth and in real life things that are written down that weren't erased from time that had happened to Christine.

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You have statements from her friends and co-workers and people that were around her all the time you can piece together your own ideas and that's exactly what this 2016 film did.

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And for the most part it's eloquent takes a great deal of liberties with the persona of Christine Shubbick.

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And I think the personification is a little off. I mean but again who might have fucking say who's anybody to say you've got this artistic rendering of who she is in this film.

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She's very meek and the real Christine apparently was depressed constantly but was brash.

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It was very sarcastic and had a very twisted and bizarre sense of humor.

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So bold in fact that she had mentioned to co-workers days and weeks before she eventually committed suicide that hey wouldn't it be a gas if I blew my brains out on television.

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She told somebody that she had purchased a gun but her sense of humor was just so out of left field I guess most people just thought she was joking.

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We'll get to some points about this later on but no compassion in this world I'm telling you there's just little compassion.

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Rebecca Hall plays Christine is almost a school girl that she would you know be afraid of shadows that she's just this very sheepish meek character.

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And I think there's much more to Christine Shubbick to that obviously to the extent that she shot herself on fucking television.

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There's something more and the something more is is what we've never been able to get her family WXL TV which is now WSB40.

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It's a ABC affiliate I believe they got rid of everything and I'm not talking about the death footage here.

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There's no point in seeing that the more we discuss Christine you'll understand why but she had worked previously to that.

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She had a segment every day 365 days in the year where is that footage what happened to her what happened to her art what happened to what she worked every single day for.

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What happened to all those things that weren't good enough we've not gotten quite there yet in the story.

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Let me take it a few steps back there is nothing to represent who Christine is anymore outside of hearsay and 40 year old articles but this is a human being who obviously was beyond empathetic but cared a great deal about people in general and had a message about that.

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Had a message about humanization had a message about looking at people in general and she wasn't quite remarkable you know she wasn't the greatest person when it came to doing interviews she for the most part would ask a question and let the person answer it.

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She had deeper meaning to her work she had deeper ideas to her work and for most of her career it was a battle you read in police reports and you see in these interpretations and film that she was hard to get along with.

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Well you also see that she suffered endlessly in her entire life with depression and anxiety and anxiety itself just as characteristics makes people appear to be something completely that they're not to be most people with anxiety or trying their heart is to act like the fawns and of course they come off like bobcat gold plate just.

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I've got out of here yelling at people and that's not the intent that's not the point and I don't know if that was the case with Christine maybe she was a dick maybe she was really abrasive but regardless for the most part of her career nothing she did really was accepted nothing she did was breaking grounds and it's ironic because most of her ideas and most of the things that she was working with and that she was trying to present to people are things that are iconic now and things that are loved now she wanted to she conceptually wanted to.

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She conceptually wanted to bring the news directly to you you know that you were able to watch what was happening and you know you've got now like unsolved mysteries these dramatizations of what happened we don't know how it exactly happened it's just something from a police report.

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She had these concepts and these ideas that were just a little bit before their time and unfortunately we're in an era the early 1970s when a woman's opinion wasn't like any it's any different now like a woman's opinion is actually heard or acknowledged as comparable to a man's in this world.

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We're living I mean the society now of course wants to tell you know you'll be listened to you'll be heard but let's be honest are women and people of color ever listened to as much as a white guy.

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That's just how it is I'm not fucking agreeing with it and I'm not saying I mean we're getting a little bit off subject here but I'm not saying it's okay but it's something we're acknowledging we're bringing up but but especially the 1970s maybe you have a couple inches now more than you might have back then but women and people of color still are treated subhuman.

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And all back to our original point here discussing Christine not saying she was treated subhuman but I think she was never acknowledged because she had what is perceived to have been an attitude she was perceived to have been constantly sarcastic and you know admitting if people were not surprised if people didn't take it seriously that she would tell them I think about I'm thinking about shooting myself on the air.

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I'm gonna shoot myself what do you think about that that's how odd her sense of humor had to have been that people just shrugged that off so I feel for her career her leaving the house that Christine put on a persona that Christine Shubbick had an image that she got into like a like a clothing like a suit that she dressed in every day and it was very defensive.

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She did not let people get close to her she did not let people befriend her but all the while never understood why she couldn't connect and fit in with people almost like she had an animosity against the world because she couldn't be heard but at the same time wouldn't extensuate herself enough to be heard she would try and she would try and she would try and then when she would get rejected she would just throw tantrums you read you hear you know she would she would just flip over the smallest things but wouldn't take it into consideration that you know I'm playing this game.

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I'm not losing they're losing they're not taking me seriously they're not looking at my art it's their loss I can move on I can go somewhere that might appreciate me she took it life or death which I mean I what other option really do you have it means sometimes your world is just your world sometimes there aren't any other options and we've got that articulated with Antonio campus film from 2016 both of the fucking movies are from 2016 which makes this even harder.

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So I'm just going to refer to Christine as the Antonio campus film Christine the person is Christine Shubbick and then Kate plays Christine obviously should be able to figure that one out you get a sense of who this person was you at least get a sense of a human you at least get like a grasp and a look into their eyes and an idea that they existed.

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You're given the personification through Rebecca Hall she does a fair job but it's just it's like it's essentially acting a fictional character because all the source material that they had is what I have for this show it's not that much you think you're going to go off a diving board and you're going to be able to find footage and you're going to be able to hear her voice and you're going to be able to watch her and trying to figure out.

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Deep in her eyes what could have gone wrong and you get a handful of pictures some articles of 40 page police report there's nothing the legacy is completely in death and brutality a message that is against absolutely everything Christine Shubbick as a human being stood for and that's acknowledged very very very much in the campus film it is not just some ending note it's something that is acknowledged throughout almost the entirety of the film is her feeling toward the news.

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So going back to Christine the person I was discussing her work and the type of work she did she did human stories she wanted to infiltrate your home with emotion and for you to understand these people and for you to understand the world and have maybe possibly a little bit of love or empathy for the people around you.

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And all she was given constantly was that's just not fucking selling nobody wants to see something like that you know what sells car accidents mugging rapes murders we got to get some crime if it leads it leads and to this day I mean that's really all the news is even got that catchy song by Don Henley dirty laundry kick him when they're up kick him when they're down that's that's all it is and that's all the fucking news ever will be you're going to be told foreigners are stealing your job.

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They're coming here to rape and murder you gas prices are rising it's somebody in the government's fault let's hate them.

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Meanwhile the world is burning around you and you have your head stuck in the sand at a fear you can't even look around and see the problems and realize well shit we could fix this if we all just came together we could totally fix all of these problems.

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But you're stuck your catatonic with fear and that's how we are forced to live our lives that's what we were given every single god damn day on the news and not just that I mean almost every form of media and I'm not talking about horror pictures here.

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I'm talking about zombies coming back from the dead how could you even have those in the same categories you've got this fictionalized goofy violence like luchio full cheese zombies getting killed and then you watch the news and you've got everything but the bomb killing a load of people via truth.

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Everything but the rape on that news report they fictionalize and sensationalize it so much was Christine so far off years ago attempting to do this and this was all in retort to her being constantly told well you gotta have blood.

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Other stations are showing car jackings other stations are showing murders and Miami we've got to do something we've got to pick up the speed a little bit here nobody needs a story about somebody that went back into their own house to get cigarettes while it was burning down

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because they fell asleep smoking cigarettes and the thing behind that this is a part of the campus film is a project that Christine worked on she went out of her way to shoot that was a story about a man who went back into his own house because it was burning down because he fell asleep smoking cigarette they had to get a cigarette.

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You can hear the news theme playing on it now this is something that would be on every fucking station local jackass burns house down like the seventh time to i should have mentioned that beforehand wasn't the first time the prick did this so the iron is the behind it and the entire story and her whole method and her point of showing it obviously was almost sarcasm you know i mean really even going to her boss you want something exciting well here you go obviously that that wasn't the directive that wasn't what they were looking for and we're dealing with the seventies new state.

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It's never been different just because the story is retro there is literally no difference from the time period Christine shoved it lived into where we're living now if it bleeds it leads is still how everything is served I mean even film trying to convince somebody to watch a two hour French art movie over a John Wick film of course they're going to want to see the one where like 900 people get shot by Keanu Reeves and I mean he is handsome and dreamy but I don't know my own private Idaho maybe.

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What did we get to god damn gas fans and one of my talking about the difficulty here is is giving a personification to this person first thing you as a listener you're gonna want to do in general trying find something more about this person.

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And there isn't much you can find it's grasping for straws and you try and put these puzzle pieces together in with even the film representations you're left pretty much with nothing beyond Rebecca Hall's character there's truth to a lot that we're shown on screen but it does is no good trying to get to know who this person was so who was she.

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Who do I think she was I think Christine Shubbick was an artist who had a vision of this world and a vision of her place in this world and no matter how hard she tried she never could quite fit into it perhaps her own expectations were set too high but could can they really I mean when you as an individual have expectations and hopes and dreams of this world.

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Why should they have to be lowered I mean reality is only so much reality is really only so much of what you make it to be and who is any other person outside of somebody who has let themselves be tamed and let themselves be cornered and pushed into a box by a society that doesn't want you to grow that would say you need to change your expectations but alas Christine Shubbick had expectations of this world and her life within it she wanted to be taken seriously and is not so much to ask I mean I think all of us.

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I think all of us want to be taken seriously there are so many angles that we can approach the story because we don't know I mean we have these comments we have what we can read her co workers and family said after her death but in these moments in this time period we just have somebody that was was working in Florida they were working the daily news in Florida unless you were one of the maybe 10,000 to 15,000 TV sets in that area and Sarasota that viewed them it wasn't anything the station wasn't an affiliate it didn't broadcast nationwide.

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It was just that area it was just for those people she was really at the lowest level of this form of media and and had so much hope had so many ideas had so much that she wanted to put into her work and where did it all go what happened to the collective of who she is and what she is aside from her death it's all just poof.

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Most people that newer including her mother and her brother brought up to police that they really believed her suicide had something to do with sexual problems she was not intimate at all with anyone he was a 29 year old virgin she had an incredibly hard time as I mentioned previously connecting with people having any form of resonance with them whether or not it was because her guard was kept so high or the fact that she just didn't click with people will never know she tried to date she tried to be congenial she had a crush on a co worker.

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Another anchor named George who's betrayed by Michael C. Hall in the campus film she'd gone out of her way to be human.

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But we don't know honestly you never know how you look through other people's eyes her trying her best her fighting for equality her fighting to be heard could have just been man she's a real bitch to everybody else.

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What's remarkable is there's really a lack of humanization when it comes to anything about Christine Schubbick anything that you can read anything that you can find including this film from campus.

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I don't think most people can relate with what were shown on screen in this film I think most people with anxiety or severe depression problems easily could but it's not compassionate there is no let's look at this person and let's evaluate their life we're almost just we're just being shown what happened to her for sheer entertainment purposes exploiting the end of her life the end of her story all the while I'm admitting how difficult it is to actually discuss her story but that kind of makes you question why anyone would try and tell it at all.

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If they couldn't actually tell it that just means they are interested in one thing and that's what most people are interested in when it comes to the story of Christine Schubbick it's what happened to her so what she did most people just want to see it which I find strange at nobody questions why you can't find her entity you can't find her work you can't find what she did previously to that you can't

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find what she stood for even in death that respect she fought for her entire career was never fucking bestowed upon her you can't even look back and see her pieces and say well she really tried to connect with that strawberry farmer we are the audience she put these things out there for us she wanted people to connect she wanted people to feel these things she didn't want people to focus on the fear and the doom and the gloom and the negativity she didn't want people to and this is hypothetical here because I don't know I feel she is the one who has a lot of them.

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I feel she didn't want people to focus on that and have fear and vage your home to have hate and vage your home in your mind you know I mean just look at the world look at where we work and we live and how we treat other people the fucking fact it wasn't one or two people she told her brother that she was suicidal she was seeing a fucking therapist told them that she was suicidal she told two co workers she's gonna shoot herself on TV nobody did anything nobody stepped in nobody I can't say nobody.

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I can't say nobody cared but you look at what happened to her did anybody I mean where were they a six sense of humor is one thing but let's be honest ladies and gentlemen we know I've got quite a six sense of humor I would hope maybe I expect too much as I as the words are coming out of my mouth the wheels are kind of turning and I'm realizing like you know what I don't know how how how serious how many people would take me fucking you know serious with a question like that I look I had to stop here

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cheese I'm stuttering I actually have to stop to think about this because now that I say it man I really have raised a an interesting question thrown a cog into the entire

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inch of this Christine story but it does kind of come back to my point because I don't think it's a joke I guess I guess it's my mentality stepping in here oh my

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god we're getting personal with Hank it's alarming especially when somebody jokes about it coily those are the motherfuckers that are probably gonna shoot

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themselves on TV but I have no point in place to talk about presumptive reasons as to why people commit suicide or to why people get so sad and depression

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that's not the point of this and I'm not a goddamn doctor so yet I'm a reverend and a lord but I am not a doctor yet

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you can't rationalize a subject like this you can't sit down and come up with a mathematical equation to solve something like this

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like the big bang the Monday before her suicide she told coworker Robert Smith how she was going to kill herself he didn't take it seriously so she began laughing

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and she literally said to the guy and I quote wouldn't it be nice if I just took the gun and blew myself away and this is the guy that told police

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well she got a wicked sense of humor she was really weird so you know nobody took it seriously I don't know that that to me is one of the most heart breaking things

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she reached out to people almost like a test I mean really what else could have been to see if maybe somebody would care enough to show interest

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and what do you do when you're that defeated and you reach out to people and they don't even connect back to you I mean she took the route that she felt was the most safest

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I wouldn't say that there is fictionalization in the campus film but there is dramatization we get to a point where Christine is going to be researching suicide

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a lot of that doesn't exist in this movie but in real life Christine went to her boss and said I'm going to do I want to do something on suicide

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I want to do a whole show on suicide and she got approval to do it she went to the local police force and questioned them shot tape

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wrote a lot about it learned all the ways to to really commit suicide and that brings us back to the wad cutters

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that was the type of bullet Christine used to commit suicide with we brought that up a little bit earlier in the show

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Christine didn't just spend a few hours researching this she put a lot of time into it I believe she met with the police chief other officers

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she had an immaculate knowledge of what needed to be done to commit suicide

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so wad cutters she'd use the gun she'd gone target shooting so it makes sense as to why she would have them

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but she also had clear knowledge that there would be something that devastatingly would get the job done

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there would be no questions absolutely 100% finality

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wad cutters on the other hand is a peculiar choice the placement of the gun itself was a peculiar choice

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now this is all incredibly speculative but there is a chance that Christine Shubbick may have not meant to kill herself

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you hear so much about her wicked sense of humor maybe this was the ultimate joke the ultimate form of payback to what she considered bullies

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and people that wouldn't allow her to progress like I said it's very very speculative

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another thing that allowed this seat of a thought to grow in my head is just her wording in what I consider to be her suicide letter

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all of these things are just thoughts and concepts and theories when it really comes to the end of all of this

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there's so much to note there's so much peculiar rarity to the entirety of the situation the case whatever you want to call it

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you can't help but wonder you can't help but speculate

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and with the two films that heavily drawn Christine's life and are supposedly based 100% on her all that they have done is speculate

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so I mean we're really no different than they are right now at this point it doesn't really matter if she meant to do it or not

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no one would know and if anyone did know I mean hey maybe that's a whole conspiracy theory that we've come along with here

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maybe that's why her family in the station have this covered up so well have so much of her removed from history

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the inability to get to know who this entity was maybe it was removed because she didn't intend to kill herself

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means she put a gun to her head and fired it she knew the repercussions she was very well versed in what would have happened by firing a bullet into your head

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but what if the whole lot of ifs a bunch of ifs on this episode one big if salad

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what would you put on ifs salad maybe Caesar or blue cheese fan I don't feel there's any point or place for something like conspiracy theory

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but really I'm kind of reaching calling it that I think it kind of hit the nail with the statement I'm doing the same thing as these two films did

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but the passion and the calculation the professionalism behind Christine Shubbick

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you can't help but wonder was the intent lethal and this film is shown with her work ethic and how hard she's trying to break through

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you really get an idea you're really shown a backbone of Christine Shubbick here you really shown how hard she tries to succeed

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she's listening to police scanners just trying to find something juicy you know she's staying up late at night attempting to learn something to get to the scene of a crime before anyone else does

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and finally get that if it bleeds it leads lead she learns about this mechanic who also owns a gun store

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who the cops will take their vehicles and guns to and she goes and visits the guy and we get this scene where the store owner explains to Christine that there are different colors

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there are different codes there are different levels to living in in the world that there's white and there's black and there's orange and there's all these colors

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and that white is when you're asleep and when you leave your house black or whatever the other color is is when you're aware of a bird or another car while you're driving down the street

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but when you have a firearm when you have a gun you you jump to code orange and orange you're ready for anything orange you have that peacemaker whatever you want to call it an equalizer you have a way to solve a problem

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and you get the situational feeling that things are shifting and we have a rule in film when a gun is shown you don't show it unless it's going to be used so obviously this gun is going to come into play later

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and I brought up that this film is very articulate it's not so much the point that a gun has been exposed to us it's not that we're recognizing our knowing that rule it's the explanation is to these different codes these colors these levels to the world in which we all reside and live in

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it's these congs turning and Christine said now did this really happen who knows she bought the pistol from a place called the bullet hole via a story she was covering

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so you know there's a lot of liberties that have been taken here but that's all that we can do and that's all that I'm doing because I want to give a humanization to this person I want you to hear about Christine Shuddock the human there was a human who worked every fucking day of their life they woke up they dedicated themselves to it

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and they mentally ill probably and equivocally depressed their entire life she suffered from anxiety and depression her entire life and didn't fit into this society didn't fit into this world that's what you'll read that's what you'll hear that's what her mom said that's what her brother says that's what her co-workers say she just didn't fit in

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besides the fucking point though yes she didn't fit in okay all right I get it it's fine the movie continuously she tries she just doesn't fit in

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now with with the campus you do have some some genuine emotion behind it you do get to see that she gives a fucking shit it's not just some self centered person and you get that so constantly when you discuss suicide itself as you decide to such a selfish act

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well let me fucking take a step back here isn't it selfish for you to think everything's fucking about you we're not gonna go on to a rant about the nature of suicide

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but the thought process behind the living is the thing that I never quite understand with it because when somebody gets to that extent somebody kills themselves they are at the the lowest point that they could be at and everyone surrounding them

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either recognize that did nothing or there was no you know again this is all hypothetical theoretical because suicide is incredibly situational there's a thousand different reasons

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but to be able to sit back and be so pious to call the dead selfish that's just something I've never understood and that again that's a different show for a different day maybe I don't know I might come back later it really is a different show for a different day

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but it's not the point of the show we're at right now and I know this is hard it's hard to get through this because we're discussing Antonio Campos' film

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we're discussing Christine Shubick and so much of this I mean it's a movie review show so obviously personal feelings are being brought into it but this isn't just you know I felt this way about the movie I did not like to see it cut too fast there's a lot more going on in this situation here than just that I have and I think it's clear my own thoughts on Christine Shubick and they aren't about the end of the story

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it's not focusing on the end of the story and it's a struggle because there is no beginning and there is no middle and we all that's left is this attempt to to all that's left is this attempt to attempt

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all that's left is trying is trying to remind anyone that listens to this that Christine Shubick was a person not just a death not just sensationalization not just exploitation

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but it's a person a living being with dreams and hopes and thoughts and memories I mean obviously not now but at some point at some some time have we all gotten so far from humanity that it's literally just the end of the story that matters

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fuck have we gotten so far from storytelling that just the end of the stories what matters maybe I don't know that's fucking we're off subject we're all over the place

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put on puppet shows for disabled children and in the campus film we get this kind of touching vibe and in the campus film I think it's exquisitely shown how much she she did for other people that she was very empathetic she might have been sarcastic she might have been abrasive she might have been hard to deal with but as as a whole human being

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Shubick was passionate about the well being of other people not so much the entertainment and genuinely when you're in a field like hers it really is it's the entertainment that's what you're working for that's what you're doing not the idea of we're going to entertain people but the fucking ratings and the money that comes from the ratings and moving forward getting a bigger face job moving to a station that's shown all over the world it's all about moving up and when you're in an environment and when you're in a world it's all about moving up and you have something to say you have a most

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you have a motion you have a human story there's really no place for that that seems to be almost her entire life is just there never really being a place for Christine her mother was a bit of a hippie one of her brothers that lived with her at the end of her life was an artist he was what you would call a really chill guy and Christine was just almost the exact opposite of all of that and to me what I see is somebody that didn't want to be a product of her environment she wanted her environment to be a product of hers she didn't want to grow up and be like her parents she didn't want to be like her brother

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apparently she is the granddaughter of Douglas Fairbanks so the family had money which really could plan to why there is nothing left of her why it's been taken away why it's been a race because they don't want people to know anything it's an embarrassment to them perhaps so it was never a struggle of being poor and hungry and never being able to get by she just couldn't connect no matter what she attempted to do no matter what she put herself into and no matter how hard she tried her anger

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she tried her anger was never quite seen which I think you can sympathize with I think you can really understand that anyone I think anyone looking at it from that direction can really understand where things are coming from it's not just the fact that somebody was difficult but how long has the struggle been going on and what are they fighting uphill to get and in 1974 1975 fighting uphill for her position to actually be understood acknowledged and heard by anybody

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it just is impossible you're given this narrative in life that you have to fit you're given this place and this is really what society is what capitalism a capitalist society stands for you do this thing until you die and then you get your free time and you spend your free time fixating 100% on fear and gloom and the worst things possible

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constantly just listening to this in the news all forms of negativity shoved and pushed inside of your face while you're doing that just consume and die that's all you get to do those are your hobbies and that's what's given to you by capitalist society work consume die get drunk on your day off and watch the news try the new booze water you hear about that guys we're fighting booze and water consume Miller course

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but light die watch ABC Fox CNN BBC what are we learning from any of it what are we taking from any of it are we learning anything about humanity we're learning anything about emotion and who people are what they fucking think do we learn anything I mean all we are ever exposed to is constant fear leave your house go to work don't talk to anybody don't even look at them they're bad they're strangers they're foreigners from a foreign land and they're gonna come here and they're gonna fucking rape you and poor sugar in your casting and take your job yeah

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what's so bad about a fucking human story what's so wrong with learning about your neighborhood and the people that live around you Christine was a square I get it I completely get it her stories were square stories they didn't do anything outside of the local area they didn't touch they didn't go far and then you know spice it up make a juicer let's give us something better to work with

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she just goes out of her way to do it and it's it's the concept of her thought process here that I think is what ends up being problematic is that you've got this box what I've been ranting about what you're told that you have to live inside your entire life you know this is it you get up you go to work you die you drink some beer you get some McDonald's you do whatever corporate consumers I mean you buy in you sell out you do whatever the fuck you're doing and you just die you just live and you die

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she didn't see things inside of that box and she didn't perceive things inside of this box she had a fucking idea for what her life needed to be and for what her life wanted what she wanted her life to be the importance of all of these things something that I think even as children all of us have in our head I'm gonna grow up and I'm gonna be a space man and there's some point in our life that we we stop wanting to be a space man and that's because of of this imposed reality that isn't your reality this is what people have told you to be this is what you want to do

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to be this is what people have said this is reality is you got to deal with it and you you give up on on being the first guy to fucking alien or whatever you

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whatever your dream was you you give up on it what's that rant from stepbrothers about the dad having I want to be a Tyrannosaurus Rex and then one day I realize what the fuck am I doing

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look when I was a kid when I was a little boy I always wanted to be a dinosaur I wanted to be a Tyrannosaurus Rex more than anything in the world I made my arms short and I roamed the backyard and I chased the neighborhood cats and I growled and I roar

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everybody knew me and was afraid of me and then one day my dad said Bobby your 17 is it's time to throw childy things aside and I said okay pop

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when he didn't really say that he said stop being a fucking dinosaur and get a job but you know I thought to myself I'll go to medical school I'll practice for a little while and then come back to me.

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Dad how's that a skill?

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I forgot I was a dude.

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You're human you could never be a dinosaur.

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What's the point?

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Yeah the boy just don't lose your dinosaur.

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Now yeah that's absolutely insane but you have these hopes and you have these dreams and you connect to things and you want so much out of life and then one day all of a sudden it's just gone one day it's just completely gone and you're working.

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And you've been doing it for 20 years and you have no idea what you're working for and you have no idea what it stands for.

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Some people can't live inside of that box and some people can't perceive anything in that box it makes no sense to them. It just doesn't it just doesn't equate it's the one wrongs and zeros it's just not going to work the program crashes.

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Christine was somebody that couldn't live inside of that box she just couldn't function inside of that box and it's not being a free spirit it's being a fucking free thinker it's somebody that has abolished the idea itself of society.

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And we've not even gotten to discussing network yet but we learned something really interesting in that movie and it's an incredible truth that there is no society there is no president there are no kings or I know Zara's there are no ministers there is money money and ratings ratings equate money when you work in the television world when you work in the film industry in the entertainment industry in general

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And it's not just a matter of your podcasting you're doing the local news all that matters is ratings week to fucking week sensationalizing the ratings are low you've got to find something to sensationalize and despite fighting to be outside of the box while attempting to still fit into society Christine could just never make it she can never do what was quite good enough and her mother was interviewed by police when she was brought to the hospital when she shot herself it didn't initially kill her she died several hours later.

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She told police at the hospital she was terribly terribly terribly depressed she had a job that she loved she said constantly that if it ended tomorrow she would still be glad she had it but she had nothing else in her social life no close friends no romantic attachments or prospects of any she was a spencer at 29 and it bothered her she couldn't register with people that's the main thing she was sensitive she felt she couldn't register with anyone except her family and at 29 that said and it is said it is ridiculous.

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It is ridiculously said this whole environment this whole society she couldn't connect with anyone she couldn't register with anyone I mean I don't know I look back at the family and wonder why I wonder where this acceptance was never understood and why Christine constantly never felt she was good enough because her work was just like anyone else's but there was something inside of her there was something inside of Christine that never let herself see any of that it could be something like imposter syndrome constantly.

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Constantly braiding yourself and ever allowing yourself to see your own achievements to see the good inside of yourself to hear anything but Christine Shubbick not necessarily shown in the campus film went out of her way to let people know she was miserable she was seeing a therapist she talked to regularly about her suicidal tendencies and they just didn't think she was serious about it possibly due to her demeanor and her sense of humor she spoke to her brother about it her mother about it co-workers about it not the day before she died not 10 minutes before doing.

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In 10 minutes before doing so but days and weeks and months before this she tried to fucking kill herself previously before even moving to Florida when she was a living in Massachusetts so it's not like suicidal tendencies it's not like this is something she does have a wicked sense of humor now of course her colleagues and co-workers didn't know of this but her family and her therapist the people immediate to her did no one jumped on it no one thought that that was alarming not one person in her life set down of course she was difficult she would throw a temperate.

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She would throw a temper tantrum she would yell she would fight things that normally didn't bother other people would heavily bother Christine and despite that being difficult I get it it's very hard to deal with somebody that is abrasive it's very hard to deal with somebody that is so written with depression and anxiety they can't see the better that they're just focused on the negativity and all they want to do is wallow in the negativity it's very very hard but she's fucking christ somebody says I think I'm gonna shoot myself on live television.

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That doesn't like do anything doesn't like set off some alarm in your head in a danger will rob and say I don't know it clearly didn't and it makes you really wonder and it gives me an incredible amount of concern especially us coming across this earlier talking about it a little while ago.

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God I mean I guess you really you got to pull a gun out to get somebody's attention and that's awful but that's really the society we live in.

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So hyper fixated and focused on fear anger doom death violence all the bad things that are happening outside of your door all the bad things that are going on in the city and how you need to be afraid we where is any love where is anything else where are there so many other spectrums of emotion and feelings outside of that none of them are ever presented to us in our society in our world in 1973 1969 1960 1974 was no different there was nothing any different.

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From then to exactly right now perpetually nothing has changed I mean we just left the same cycle of water gate president being fucking impeached though it's funny when you look back at something like water gate it's nowhere near is horrible is the things that have been happening in the United States recently.

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Time is a flat circle I guess I got to say that on every fucking episode man I have said fuck a lot on this this episode maybe we should do a fuck counter or cut some of them out.

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We struggle along with Christine in the campus film we she's our avatar in this movie we're watching everything through this personification this anxiety written personification at some points in the movie it seems like she so make she can't even speak and get her opinion out and then you research her and you learn about her in real life and everyone had the same thing to say wasn't so much that she was difficult.

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She just was incredibly sarcastic and she really didn't it wasn't a matter of being unattractive and it's sort of annoying you read all these articles and you go through the internet you look up so much about Christine and so much focus is she was very attractive.

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She was beautiful she was smart and attractive and blah blah blah blah blah.

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I don't think that had any play into her sexual life I don't think it had any bearing or mattering a year before her suicide Christine had to have an ovary removed which

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heavily can complicate pregnancy most literature and media that you can find on her things are very fixated on that that it seems to be heavily the opinion that well she couldn't be a stay at home mom she couldn't be a housewife and have children

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so she whacked herself on television and I think there's a lot more to it than that I think maybe there's some heavy frustration that she couldn't get laid but earlier talking about anxiety I reference something building this character having this persona the suit that you put on when you go outside

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that you're going to act the certain role and you see it in your head is being something like the foms and really you're just yelling and screaming and you're very abrasive or what you think is cool and calculated just comes off as mean and snarkier overly sarcastic to other people because you're attempting to not expose yourself some people are so unhappy with themselves that they don't want to expose themselves to you they create a version of it to let you get to know and what happens when you can't get to know that version that seems like most of Christine's life people asked her out people wanted to colleagues

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friends come out go to dinner let's go to drinks she always had an excuse she always had a reason to not be a part of the gang all the while I think the big thing for her was her work her message making it that she wanted to stand for something it wasn't a social party not having friends sucks and it causes even more loneliness and bitterness and pushes you farther and farther away from people the less contact you have the more you start feeling like a rabid dog

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which obviously I think is something she could connect to because of how often you can read and hear even in the police reports every single person saying she had a very weird sense of humor was very defensive stayed to herself Christine didn't want people to know her she wanted people to know her work

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she wanted people to know what she stood for she wanted people to see what she was capable of doing I am Christine hear me roar and it was constantly over

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in the campus film you are led to believe that her over being removed was immediate to her suicide was 29 years old when she killed herself in the prospect of turning 30 definitely is terrifying and can be too much for some people but you get this cable clade of of bad events

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that kind of trickle into the movie and all of these things happen in very different time periods in real life and it makes you think that it was just the pressure that there wasn't enough for her to keep going with as to where I truly feel

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Christine opted out sure the pressure built and things are awful nothing ever goes right but I think she opted out bill Hicks said once it's just a ride you can get on and off whenever you want to but life is just a ride

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the world is like a ride in amusement park when you choose to go on it you think it's real because that's how powerful our minds are and the ride goes up and down and round and round it has thrills and chills and it's very brightly colored and it's very loud and it's fun for a while some people have been on the ride for a long time and they begin to question is this real versus this ride

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and other people have remembered they come back to us and they say hey don't worry don't be afraid ever because this is just a ride

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and we kill those people shut him up we have a lot invested in this ride shut him up look at my furrows of worry it sounds pretty the more

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alas what he's referencing is you can start and stop this whenever you want to you can't just lay down and die but there are ways around it and in Christine's head

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it seems like if she couldn't make it in her way in her vision then it's time to stop and she told people that she told her mother that she told her therapist that I can get off whenever I want to I can stop whenever I want to and not one person was alarmed by it and even if they were they didn't do anything

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and there's not a lot you can do in a situation like this you can have somebody locked up and then what they get out I mean if there's a will there's a way

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if she hadn't killed herself on July 15th 1974 which she have done it later what are the odds she would have even seen it outside of 1974

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we don't know we don't know anything but that end of the story and that's what makes this so problematic and so terrible just the lack of care for who this human was and the idea of who they were

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we find out that the owner of WXLTV in Sarasota, Florida is gonna poach somebody starting up a station in Maryland a top 40 station and he's gonna bring some talent so I mean this is the greatest chance for Christine this is when finally things can happen

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her all her hard work everything that she is sunken her heart into her writing her art can finally be acknowledged and of course she isn't picked

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Christine finds out that her long time crush an anchor named George Peter Ryan he's the one that's gonna make it he's the one that's gonna be sent to Maryland and she finds out on top of that that he's taking with what her closest friends at the station

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whatever closest friends in general who he had been seeing and nobody really knew about it a lot of pressure you get all of this exposition all of this dumped on you at one place in the movie and it just seems like

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reached a snapping point everything's awful and this is why she killed herself all of these things weren't just in a weak matter of time she had her overtaken out one year before her suicide we don't really know what happened between her and George we've got the soundly Quinn article where it's discussed and brought up that she found out or she saw

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George and someone else and realized that in there oh they knew the entire time they were hiding this from me we don't know nobody knows so it's very presumptuative to try and slam all this together and of course you know it's a dramatization you're reaching and you're trying to pull straws here to come up with something creative to give this movie a linear look

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but you're just hyper fixating at the end of the story you're trying to connect everything to get to the end of the story and that's the least important thing because we know that we know what happened to her

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we know that she killed herself it's the fact that her her life her being who she is is just a mystery and it's lost just the death that's all it remains I think my favorite scene in the camp

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of stoneness between Christine and George he convinces her to go to therapy and as I've brought up several times in the real world in the real story she had been seeing a therapist and she did go out of her way to try this therapy with George but what we get in the scene is is the realization

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and the reality that Christine lives outside of this box she lives outside of this world that most of us live in she lives with her own rules she has her own regulations and they're doing this game it's called yes but

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you tell somebody a problem big of you solution to it and you answer with yes but and it keeps going and it keeps going and it keeps going and it gets to a point where the person playing this game with Christine says to or maybe you need to change your expectations and she just flatly

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the same expression that we get at the end of the film before she shoots herself she says I don't think I understand the question because it was never something in her it was never something in the human being to have to change which I think is ridiculous that anyone should ever have to now you know it's fucking situational

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because if you're a Nazi yeah you probably need to change your expectations of reality or completely off bar and not right so everything is absolutely situational

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suicide as I referenced earlier god damn everything breathing smoking eating drinking farting it's all situational every single concept of reality itself is situational

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but we needed a dramatic ending we needed something to make the movie worth watching which I think is really unfortunate that we get to this entire film and you finally get to like 20 minutes and you know well you know she's got to die and they turned it into this like heartwarming story

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while she's going to therapy she's learning throughout her puppet shows she has these incredibly positive things to say about getting up every day and trying and using your words and then she just shoots herself

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really what happens with this film you go through this trying terrible story you get to know this person what they want you to know of them what they want you to know of this on screen personification this falsified idea of Christine Shubbie

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and you spend all this time you spend all this emotion and then they just exploit her they give you all of this they give you this plateau of who she could be

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what her art stood for why she worked so hard and then they literally exploit her with the one thing that she completely was a porantly against and what she fought against consistently that she was told if it bleeds it leads you need to run with something like this and she would go out of her way to come up with something creative she would try and find some way to bring the news to you

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while still having a motion while still having some vernacular outside of blood and guts and pain and woe and doom and gloom and nihilism fear and obviously that didn't work obviously that didn't have any success so she gave the station what they wanted she fit inside of their box instead of hers she bent into their level she presented after failing in their eyes

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and then she was consistently never quite meeting their criteria the ultimate story and I mean really her final statement if anything is is the absolute clarity they say she left no suicide letter but the final words Christine Shubbie

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and then she shot herself in the lower part on the left side of her head with a 38 caliber her career was constantly no you didn't do good enough where's the blood where's the guts where's the pain where's the suffering we gotta give these people something to watch we gotta give them a reason to turn on the television

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and that's the whole point of the media that's the point of the news we gotta give them something nobody wants to know if a puppy was rescued today we want to know if somebody's head got cut off when that wrecked down on interstate 95 that's what we want to know about is the plague ending anytime soon who knows

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but a Mexican guy stabbed somebody last night be afraid be very afraid what is that service I think a lot of people can ask what did Christine's suicide service what did that do what did it stand for

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what did it stand for what did it represent what point did it have what did it carry and from what I've discussed at the beginning of the show to onward I hope it's starting to become clear I hope it's starting to resonate have a reason for you to understand what happened and why this happened

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of course everything is situational but time and place and pressure and life in general those are all valid reasons to kill yourself but so much more came into hand and the statement that Christine Schubbick was making was much more than I'm a depressed person who can't get laid

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she had more in her death than that itself and it's sad that those moments are just completely ignore the reasoning and what she did is just lost and completely ignored possibly because of embarrassment her family

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the station her co-workers her friends apparently who never recognized or saw the problem or cared enough to reach out or do something is a lot of situations as to why there is no more Christine Schubbick as to why her words her writing her voice

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aside from a few photos her face have just slipped away just pushing it under the rug you know we don't talk about it people won't know about it won't bring a shame anymore

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and I feel the shame that is to be felt is all of these people all of these that surrounded her what's your excuse she just had a really weird sense of humor I spoke of this earlier but it certainly is a lingering thought in my mind

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were her jokes not reaching out were her jokes not looking for someone to help her was she trying to prepare them for the ultimate prank

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did she really have the intent to kill herself obviously if there was an answer to this question her family the station the powers that be have made sure that will never know neither film really goes into this direction network to but I really can't get that thought out of my head

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regardless of if she meant to or didn't I feel a lot of her goal here was to give the station what they wanted was to give the people what they wanted

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you get told consistently this is it this is this this is it you know like that part of the deer hunter Robert and you know just yells that at his ale because he forgot his boots got a

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little Stanley every time you come up here got you got them head up your ass maybe likes the view from up there

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no no no no no no no jacket he's got no pants he's got no boots all those guys that stupid gun he carries around like John Wayne I'm not going to help you Stanley see this this is this this ain't something else this is this from now on you're on your own

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but it doesn't really change anything it wouldn't change anything if Christine Shubbick had survived her exploitation would have been just as bad if not worse and of course that was a time before TMZ before there were so many sharks out there just waiting to rip people apart

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but we brought this up many many many many many times but it just conceptually 1770 to now it's not nothing's different there wouldn't be hundreds and hundreds

436
01:08:55,100 --> 01:09:09,100
of years of people fighting for change inequality of anything was ever any different but it's all hypotheticals here it's all very very speculative the choice of words attempted the use of the wad cutters now you hear and

437
01:09:09,100 --> 01:09:22,100
Kate plays Christine the word attempted was used because she was just such a darned good journalist she wouldn't have risked possibly surviving but I don't feel it would have been written down it wouldn't have been acknowledged if the risk

438
01:09:22,100 --> 01:09:39,100
wasn't acknowledged but Christine explicitly fucking knew how to kill yourself she had studied it she knew what was necessary so why the choice of a wad cutter she could use the hollow point she could use a regular 38 caliber bullet a blunt force that

439
01:09:39,100 --> 01:09:50,100
would have taken the skull off there would have been no brain it would have splattered all over the fucking building but she didn't choose to do that and it lingers you can't really get

440
01:09:50,100 --> 01:09:57,100
into the mind of someone that is so depressed and trying to understand where they're coming from or what they were trying to do you look at Christine

441
01:09:57,100 --> 01:10:03,100
she'll make you look at what we're allowed to know what's left of her you hear about her wicked sent to you

442
01:10:03,100 --> 01:10:12,100
and just kind of pushes that question even more to the front of your brain well was really this playing into her sense of humor was this the ultimate fuck you

443
01:10:12,100 --> 01:10:26,100
get out of the hospital get better the station gets tons and tons and tons of ratings everything goes back to normal maybe have a little bit of a slur when you talk I don't know I

444
01:10:26,100 --> 01:10:33,100
continuously say that I don't know what type of fucking show is this I don't know I listen to this guy he doesn't know I don't know we don't know you don't know

445
01:10:33,100 --> 01:10:45,100
what he knows I don't even know why listen to this I don't know man but I've said this before even if she didn't mean for this to be lethal would have really changed the outcome because at the end of the day all we have is Christine

446
01:10:45,100 --> 01:10:55,100
Shubbick exploited if she survived what difference would have been it would have been blown up even more it would have been all over there would be dozens and dozens of movies probably nothing

447
01:10:55,100 --> 01:11:03,100
anywhere nearly as nice as network which is incredibly petty to say because the only reason that movie exists is because of the death of Christine thus

448
01:11:03,100 --> 01:11:11,100
da da da the word of the night exploitation throughout the film Christine is very close with a colleague named Jean was a point in the movie where

449
01:11:11,100 --> 01:11:18,100
Jean tells Christine when things are going bad I just like to sing a song on the radio and have some ice cream and that's how this movie ends

450
01:11:18,100 --> 01:11:33,100
Christine Chubbick shoots herself we get to see the whole nine yards almost as if we were there go into the station we see her writing her report we see her writing her suicide letter we see every single piece we see her in the hospital her mother crying

451
01:11:33,100 --> 01:11:45,100
and then we go to Jean eating ice cream singing a song on the television and it's just like that's it things go things come things go time goes on we move on isn't it sad

452
01:11:45,100 --> 01:11:57,100
and it had no point that it literally had no point you get this really nice is eloquently shot thing and that's just what it is it's just a thing you get exposed into the world in the life of Christine

453
01:11:57,100 --> 01:12:10,100
Chubbick and it goes absolutely nowhere just it exploits her and what she stood against all the film did was bring the doom and gloom directly into your home it's not the ending that matters we go through the struggle we go through this

454
01:12:10,100 --> 01:12:22,100
interpretation of who this person was in their life and everything about them and then it's just a race it's just neglected with the focal point being on the end of the story and I know that's what everybody wants to see

455
01:12:22,100 --> 01:12:33,100
just like faces of death the desensitation I guess the bizarre need to watch these horrible atrocities that people have

456
01:12:33,100 --> 01:12:47,100
fortunately that's what this movie kind of perpetuated that that's what Christine the campus film has done all it has done is given these people it just want to see her shoot herself another reason to hunt it down another reason to be excited about it

457
01:12:47,100 --> 01:12:59,100
there is no celebration of her there is nothing at the end of this movie that makes you reflect and go wow she was a person with a soul and her own emotions and her thoughts it's awful

458
01:12:59,100 --> 01:13:11,100
it just ends it's just a movie it lacks any compassion into me that makes it like any point it makes it like any meaning in anything you're dealing with a true story and obviously it's it's for film

459
01:13:11,100 --> 01:13:18,100
so you're going to make it bigger like you really think the Lincoln movie that Spielberg did is fucking accurate every single tiny little scene

460
01:13:18,100 --> 01:13:33,100
nope that's exactly how it went no gladiator yep that's exactly how it was exactly how it was no fucking way I get it I understand it's a movie it's based on a true story let it go

461
01:13:33,100 --> 01:13:43,100
but we're dealing with something that doesn't have the capability of having its own story you can't go find anything about Christine and there's no one to ask there's no one to talk to

462
01:13:43,100 --> 01:13:57,100
there's no one to learn anything about so we have these representations and you're dealing with with a human you're dealing with with not like eight of Hitler you're not dealing with like a fucking monster who you can tell the story anyway you want to because they're a fucking monster

463
01:13:57,100 --> 01:14:08,100
it was just a human it was just a person their life was not means of exploitation and that's all they've done we're going to tell her story you know you're going to tell how she killed herself

464
01:14:08,100 --> 01:14:23,100
you're going to promote how she killed herself you're going to exploit how she fucking killed herself that's all you're selling you're doing the one thing that that literally was the whole embodiment of her killing herself to stand up against it to OK

465
01:14:23,100 --> 01:14:31,100
here's what you want here's what you get this is what you want this is what you get this is what you want God damn public images LTV get out of here Johnny rotten

466
01:14:31,100 --> 01:14:49,100
so you give this ballet of her life and her sorrows and her woe and then you drop down to the level that she fought and died literally I'm not going to call her a martyr but almost as a martyr to show is just fucking fear mongering

467
01:14:49,100 --> 01:15:04,100
but all this aside on the subject of Antonio Campos film Christine from 2016 it is an excellent film it is an emotional film I think overall it is pointless I have to just call it that way I think you've offered nothing but

468
01:15:04,100 --> 01:15:16,100
sensationalizing and exploiting the death of Christine Shubbick you've done nothing for her life you've done nothing for her story you've done nothing for who she is and I guess that doesn't matter I guess people don't think of it that way I guess

469
01:15:16,100 --> 01:15:45,100
it's an idea something to sell I don't know but it took me four hours to watch the goddamn movie that it continuously pause it because it made me weep it hurt it was painful to watch I think what hurts the most is the exploitation though I think it's the fact that 40 years later we're feeling all this emotion for somebody that nobody would have nobody felt a motion for at the time their life had meaning their life mattered and then it comes down to the

470
01:15:45,100 --> 01:16:12,100
end of their story that's just unfair that that's all that's left it's just not really fair I guess but what fucking is moving on we have Kate plays Christine by Robert Green written and directed this film is nothing but exploitation it attempts to be some pseudo documentary about this actress who's going to be playing Christine Shubbick and how it affects her and you go through the movie and for the most part it's just Kate she'll reading the Sally Quinn article

471
01:16:12,100 --> 01:16:31,100
wandering around her apartment trying on really bad wigs you've got these dramatizations of paragraphs from the Sally Quinn story and it just goes nowhere it's this odd struggle of this very selfish odd struggle of this actress attempting to find out pretty much the length of the show anything possibly

472
01:16:31,100 --> 01:17:00,100
about Christine and it's like I just want to get to know her better so I can play her all the while we learn nothing about Kate and we learn nothing about Christine we get a lot of useless information and opinions on what people think of the end of the story what people think of why she did it you get these glazed over idiotic opinions on suicide that this movie and the subject matter has no place for somebody's independent ideas on well it's just selfish in a waste of a bullet these blatantly offended

473
01:17:00,100 --> 01:17:20,100
offensive things that are supposed to be I guess artistic but even at the beginning of this film it lacks any empathy and it lacks any soul unfortunately it lacks any point the campus film to neither of these things seemed to matter you told the story but all you did was tell the most explicit part of the story

474
01:17:20,100 --> 01:17:49,100
that no care or consideration for who the human and the person was the campus film attempts to have something but in the long run it does nothing at the end of the movie it's just got some doodah message of things go on here we don't even have that Kate plays Christine is fucking disrespectful it attacks an insult somebody that's been dead for 40 years because it's got some pious meaning of itself and really it comes off is like a high school student film not even your first two or three years of film school

475
01:17:49,100 --> 01:18:18,100
it's just got this unfinished snide teenager opinion and it doesn't do anything for anyone you don't learn anything you don't learn a lesson at the end of the movie you even get insulted which is kind of laughable because you've gone through this entire struggle just hoping at some point somebody might have an original thought of their own or feel some sort of compassion that somebody might look aside from their own inner term oil that might pull their head out of their ass and look around and see the situation and see

476
01:18:18,100 --> 01:18:47,100
the integrity and what Christine stood for as a person and what her death stood for but again it's just focusing on the end it's just blowing it up this is what's going to sell you came into this because you want to know what happened to her you just came into this because you want to see her shoot herself you want to see a reenact me you want to see violence and that's not the point it was entirely missed it was just like like massively missed and it's baffling it's upsetting it's so snide and it takes such a rough attitude

477
01:18:47,100 --> 01:19:08,100
you get this retelling there's nothing original you can easily find Christine Schumick 29 good looking educated television personality dead live and in color by Sally Quinn and you can read it for yourself but what the filmmakers decided to do in the situation was just stretch it out unnecessarily so pointing in their own opinions that have nothing to do with her life

478
01:19:08,100 --> 01:19:22,100
it's just exasperating her death and making the even more painful it's even opening up the wound further of what she hated and perpetuating it and just pushing it more and more and more all they do is focus on the death

479
01:19:22,100 --> 01:19:37,100
there's so much fucking more to anybody than that there's so much more to anything than just the end neither movie really seem to have a point it's just exploiting Christine which I guess I am too anything about her her work

480
01:19:37,100 --> 01:19:55,100
it's just gone we have the death that's all we have so all we can do is continuously exploit her continuously dig up all of this to try and make sense of it but it's just so odd to me that the one thing she was against is the only thing that sensationalized when it comes to retelling her story

481
01:19:55,100 --> 01:20:11,100
as if the people that made it didn't even bother to look at her that didn't even bother to feel who she is to look at why she did it it's all right there she wrote it down her struggle itself her co-workers and colleagues in her family talk about it

482
01:20:11,100 --> 01:20:22,100
it's right there it was her artistic struggle and the fact that she couldn't even have the equality of integrity with her artistic belief with other people you want violence then here it is

483
01:20:22,100 --> 01:20:37,100
and she presented to them neatly just the way they wanted it here is the story from Christine Shubbick that you've always wanted finally your blood and your guts not defending it I'm not justifying it but that's the fact that's that's what it is

484
01:20:37,100 --> 01:20:50,100
it's not a glorification of somebody putting a gun to their head and blowing their brains out but with Kate plays Christine you get something interesting at the end of the film because Kate pulls a gun on you the audience and starts yelling she needs to know

485
01:20:50,100 --> 01:21:19,100
why she's doing this like there's some personalization behind it like there's something deeper to the whole effect of what you're watching here and then she proceeds to shoot herself and tell the audience off and call you sickos for just wanting to see it which is incredibly presumptuative and just assing on the filmmakers part trying to do something edgy I get it I really understand here and you just come off flatulence it's fucking lame and it's offensive and what you've done they end up insulting her they call her some pathetic

486
01:21:19,100 --> 01:21:39,100
woman that just killed herself as to where you have any right to do so as you have any input or anything original or anything that actually made the story more than what it was all you fucking did was exploit her death that's it you once again you've held a hand just as badly as everyone involved in her life that didn't listen to her that didn't

487
01:21:39,100 --> 01:22:08,100
take her claim seriously that didn't hear I'm going to shoot myself on television you're just as bad as that the filmmakers involved everyone involved in Kate plays Christine you've just personified the reason she killed herself even more 40 years later and managed to insult her in the audience while doing so and it's pathetic and it's sad it's heart breaking to see that so much effort was put into something that ends up just damning and pissing on somebody that's been dead for 40 years and can't even speak for themselves

488
01:22:08,100 --> 01:22:37,900
which unfortunately you would think their death would have spoken loudly enough but it falls on deaf ears it falls on the ears of those that are afraid and those that live inside that square that are perpetually constantly afraid to go outside or like anything aside from what's directly in front of them it's a shame it's it's really a shame that the legacy of somebody and it doesn't matter that her work wasn't prolific it doesn't matter that her work wasn't as touching as Barbara Walters the legacy of somebody anybody a human that lives inside of this world with the

489
01:22:37,900 --> 01:23:03,900
us that had a soul and feelings and emotion it's just incredibly sad that this is the sort of legacy that gets left for her Kate plays Christine this bastard eyes version that just pretty much paints it yeah she was just some moody person why do you want to watch her killer self you're a sicko thanks thanks for your artistic input here I really don't value it and I just don't understand what your point was outside of did you just not get it

490
01:23:03,900 --> 01:23:16,220
did you just struggle to understand can you not connect to the idea of somebody being so miserable that they just want to end it because that's what happened here there's no questions to be asked Christine

491
01:23:16,220 --> 01:23:24,220
shebac fucking killed herself because she wanted out of this world she was done with it she had a point to prove you can look for so many more meanings to it but she had a

492
01:23:24,220 --> 01:23:34,180
god damn point she had a message and this is how she proved it this is how she told the world and it's just lost for gotten or erased 40 years later and it's ridiculous it's

493
01:23:34,180 --> 01:23:43,780
ridiculous the only moderate pleasant thing about this movies you actually get to see incredibly briefly Christine doing an interview you go through the whole movie in

494
01:23:43,780 --> 01:23:50,820
fact maybe to just get a touch of that and then you get it and then it easily goes into this just bullshit blas A piece at the end

495
01:23:50,820 --> 01:24:07,300
I watch it for yourself but I have no regard for this film and I have nothing nice to say about it I think entirely the point was missed and I just don't understand the reasoning for making something like this I don't get your point for doing so you just come off like a bully

496
01:24:07,300 --> 01:24:17,660
you you come off like a crass and crude bully and it's sad you're picking on somebody that killed themselves 40 years ago and you don't get the point

497
01:24:17,660 --> 01:24:40,300
not everything has a god damn point not every movie not every story not everything in life has a point but this did Christine Shubbick had a point we live in a society of freaks and emotional vampires you wallow in defeat and blood and gods and infidelity and trash we live in a society that worships daytime talk shows and who's the father

498
01:24:40,300 --> 01:25:09,220
I went sheet and all new with your cousin just the dumbest morose shit and it's what we obsess over is what we get off on almost the the bad things that happen to other people if you're not having all this fear uploaded into your brain from the news and social media whatever you're fucking looking at you just got this morose brainless awful shit surrounding you I mean we are so close to living in an era where the running man exists you ever seen that show ultimate tag

499
01:25:09,220 --> 01:25:39,180
and two or three years when you lose around somebody's just going to shoot the contestant in the fucking head that's what the running man was were so close to this gladiatorial end of the world bullshit and everyone is surrounded by it everyone feeds into it and buys into it and they have no fucking problem with it they have no problem with their mori povick and they have no problem with launching this ignorant trash like Jerry springer which what 30 years on the fucking air just cancer on the god damn airwaves that means nothing it's just insignificant trash that it was all right.

500
01:25:39,180 --> 01:26:09,140
You were consumed by absolutely everything down to fucking television I mean I'm not going to sit and shit all over sign filled but it was a show that was built as a show about nothing and whole world stops to fucking watch it it means nothing it has no point it has nothing to further the fucking human race not that everything has to now that everything does but that's who we are that's what we are as a people we watch this shit and we let it consume us we base our lives on it what we look like what we talk like we have the fear

501
01:26:09,140 --> 01:26:22,300
that comes to us from the news in every other media outlet that just lets you know every single day something bad is gonna happen or has happened or is about to happen something horrible is no fucking peace there's no emotion there's no love

502
01:26:22,300 --> 01:26:32,700
Kate plays Christine personifies all of that it's like a crescendo of just awfulness it just takes every single thing that this human

503
01:26:32,700 --> 01:26:45,260
Christine Shubbick railed against her death itself many people wonder was she gonna do it that day there was a problem she had three pieces of news to read and a film clip that would play film

504
01:26:45,260 --> 01:27:02,300
clip didn't play when she was alerted her behavior changed she pulled a different piece of paper out she read her final words and she shot herself at that moment was a planned I think so that specific day Chris wanted everything taped which didn't often happen she even

505
01:27:02,300 --> 01:27:20,660
handled the film herself which raises the question did she fuck it up on purpose to give herself the perfect moment or is it just one of those situations the film fucked up and that's what caused her to finally do it we don't know we don't know anything and it's remarkable how so many people in the room didn't notice anything

506
01:27:20,660 --> 01:27:30,860
didn't think anything was different they could all comment that she seemed nervous but that was just about it it makes you really want to look around your surroundings and the people that you're with

507
01:27:30,860 --> 01:27:38,460
and the people that you deal with and what they notice would they notice that odd change of behavior would you be able to pull off something like this not that you should

508
01:27:38,460 --> 01:27:51,980
not that you should even think about doing something like that but it's all just one big if one big what if I think Christine had come up with her final piece I think she was giving them what they wanted her actions

509
01:27:51,980 --> 01:28:06,140
themselves very crass and very snide and just to continuously say I'm not justifying them by any means but she had a statement she certainly had something to say obviously it just wasn't heard just the bang that's all

510
01:28:06,140 --> 01:28:14,860
that he heard and now that brings us to the third and final film which wraps all of this together this will give one big point to all my

511
01:28:14,860 --> 01:28:30,220
ranting on my yelling on my emotion and all of this stuff about Christine Shubbick network 1976 written by patty chefesky directed by Sydney limit this movie is the what if what if they had talked Christine out of it what if

512
01:28:30,220 --> 01:28:43,500
what if what if so you've got this guy being fired from his job is a drunk he's an old newscaster he's fucking washed up he's ready to go got two weeks notice doing one of this final broadcast he tells the world he tells America

513
01:28:43,500 --> 01:29:13,460
next Tuesday I'm going to shoot myself q hard ladies and gentlemen I would like at this moment to announce that I will be retiring from this program in two weeks time because of poor ratings since this show is the only thing I had going for me in my life I have decided to kill myself no one's even listening in the control room one or two people here at that turns into an explosion it starts its own fire and it starts its own problem and again it's one big rolling ball of what if but if he didn't kill himself when it's up happening here

514
01:29:13,460 --> 01:29:40,900
is he goes on this incredible tangent he goes on this rant about how he's got damn angrily mad as hell and you should be to I wanted to get up right now and go to the window open it and stick your head out and yell I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore and everybody listens everybody listens to this fanatical man who is mentally unstable breaking down right in front of you right on public television he's losing it

515
01:29:41,540 --> 01:30:11,380
and all the media wants we got more of this is this is fucking amazing this is just like more this is just like Jerry springer this is some psychotic coming and standing in front of your 12 inch television scream just yelling at you just screaming weird things that you don't understand and they love it people love it they want to see it plays into the fear plays into everything you get this guy screaming fire and bremstone about how the world is going to end and of course normally any situation is going to be fired his best friend played by William holden he's the only person that has any concern

516
01:30:11,380 --> 01:30:12,700
concern any care.

517
01:30:12,700 --> 01:30:18,060
Unlike the true story in any film version of Kristine, in the film network, someone actually

518
01:30:18,060 --> 01:30:20,780
recognizes that there's trouble with the lead character.

519
01:30:20,780 --> 01:30:23,720
They actually see that they're breaking down, they see that they need help.

520
01:30:23,720 --> 01:30:26,920
They know that there's a problem and what happens when they pointed out to other people

521
01:30:26,920 --> 01:30:28,000
they get fired.

522
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:32,480
Which, I'm surprised didn't happen actually with Kristine Shubbik, don't interfere, don't

523
01:30:32,480 --> 01:30:33,480
mind.

524
01:30:33,480 --> 01:30:38,260
Maybe that was sort of some of the problem that she pushed people away so much or co-workers

525
01:30:38,260 --> 01:30:39,960
didn't want to help her.

526
01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:43,760
But at the same time they speak systematically to the police and the police report as

527
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:45,880
I said is very easily accessible.

528
01:30:45,880 --> 01:30:49,760
You might even just be able to Google Kristine Shubbik police report.

529
01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:53,560
Its 40 pages and you yourself can read all these things that I have read.

530
01:30:53,560 --> 01:30:58,920
Probably the only work that was put into Kate Plays Kristine was reading the Sally Quinn

531
01:30:58,920 --> 01:31:01,760
article and looking at the police report.

532
01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:04,120
So you could even just skip that movie and do the work on your own.

533
01:31:04,120 --> 01:31:05,120
I recommend it.

534
01:31:05,120 --> 01:31:06,120
I strongly do.

535
01:31:06,120 --> 01:31:08,000
I hardly talk this harshly about a film.

536
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:13,520
I rarely speak despicably of anything but I do find this movie to be, I have a lot of contempt

537
01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:14,520
for it.

538
01:31:14,520 --> 01:31:17,480
I think at the most it's just a time wasteer.

539
01:31:17,480 --> 01:31:22,640
You learn nothing and literally they just downright not.

540
01:31:22,640 --> 01:31:25,760
Kristine 2016 the campus film.

541
01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:27,600
The exploitation is an assassin.

542
01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:31,800
The exploitation isn't even necessarily on purpose.

543
01:31:31,800 --> 01:31:35,560
The way that they configured and told the story does allow you to have a lot of emotion

544
01:31:35,560 --> 01:31:40,400
and have at least some form of understanding of who Kristine Shubbik may have been.

545
01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:45,360
I don't think it was necessary to show what happened to her especially because of how

546
01:31:45,360 --> 01:31:49,800
she felt as a human being and I know that's a lot to have some respect for a dead person

547
01:31:49,800 --> 01:31:51,680
you've never even met.

548
01:31:51,680 --> 01:31:53,160
And I don't mean that sarcastically.

549
01:31:53,160 --> 01:31:55,560
I mean you're writing a story.

550
01:31:55,560 --> 01:31:56,760
Actors are hired.

551
01:31:56,760 --> 01:31:57,760
People are hired.

552
01:31:57,760 --> 01:31:58,760
They're doing their job.

553
01:31:58,760 --> 01:32:01,480
They're doing a job here and that's the difference of things.

554
01:32:01,480 --> 01:32:02,480
The campus thing.

555
01:32:02,480 --> 01:32:03,480
It's a movie.

556
01:32:03,480 --> 01:32:04,480
It's a film.

557
01:32:04,480 --> 01:32:05,480
It's fictionalized.

558
01:32:05,480 --> 01:32:06,480
It's traumatized.

559
01:32:06,480 --> 01:32:12,440
Kate plays Kristine is taken in this documentary sense that you feel that you can trust it.

560
01:32:12,440 --> 01:32:13,680
Maybe it's just the way it's filmed.

561
01:32:13,680 --> 01:32:18,080
I think a lot of people they see that shaky camels has got to be real right and it's just

562
01:32:18,080 --> 01:32:21,800
an opinion as this show is reminder there is all an opinion.

563
01:32:21,800 --> 01:32:23,080
I don't hate the people that made it.

564
01:32:23,080 --> 01:32:26,240
I don't have a lot of respect for them but I don't hate the people that made it.

565
01:32:26,240 --> 01:32:29,920
It's not a personal attack but I think it's rude.

566
01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:32,080
I think it's ugly and I think it's rude.

567
01:32:32,080 --> 01:32:35,720
So network imagine it this way.

568
01:32:35,720 --> 01:32:41,000
Kristine Shubbick survives her suicide and they decide to give her her own TV show where they

569
01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:43,560
bring a suicidal person on every week.

570
01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:47,440
They get to tell their story and then Kristine hands them a gun and they shoot themselves.

571
01:32:47,440 --> 01:32:50,480
That's what we're working with when it comes to network and did I mention at the beginning

572
01:32:50,480 --> 01:32:56,680
of this show that we may get into some baddie herst territory?

573
01:32:56,680 --> 01:32:57,880
Here it comes.

574
01:32:57,880 --> 01:32:58,880
Get ready.

575
01:32:58,880 --> 01:33:03,440
Besides the exploitation of somebody that is incredibly mentally ill and desperately needs

576
01:33:03,440 --> 01:33:06,400
help, we get to see the inner workings really of media.

577
01:33:06,400 --> 01:33:09,000
One of the network exactly played by Faye Dunnoway.

578
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:13,880
She's got this connection to the American Communist Party and within the American Communist

579
01:33:13,880 --> 01:33:16,360
Party they have a connection to this group.

580
01:33:16,360 --> 01:33:19,680
They call it the ecumenical liberation army.

581
01:33:19,680 --> 01:33:25,720
You see, 1976, Patty Hearst has been caught most of the SLA burned to death.

582
01:33:25,720 --> 01:33:32,000
It's all over but the ecumenical liberation army, they can have another aeros.

583
01:33:32,000 --> 01:33:37,160
Whole thing happens all over again but instead of sending out communicates, tapes for the press

584
01:33:37,160 --> 01:33:40,440
and everyone else to hear the message, they're filming it.

585
01:33:40,440 --> 01:33:44,280
They're doing something completely different, they're breaking the rules, they're filming

586
01:33:44,280 --> 01:33:45,280
everything they do.

587
01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:48,840
They've got a fucking cameraman and a sound guy I guess and maybe a gaffer and a best

588
01:33:48,840 --> 01:33:49,840
boy.

589
01:33:49,840 --> 01:33:51,840
I don't know, but they're filming bank robberies.

590
01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:53,440
It's the exact same thing here.

591
01:33:53,440 --> 01:33:57,840
It's unique and what really gives this spice is it's an exploitation of the people doing

592
01:33:57,840 --> 01:33:59,160
the exploitation.

593
01:33:59,160 --> 01:34:04,600
I wonder how many times I say that as well as the word fuck on this episode, which when

594
01:34:04,600 --> 01:34:11,600
discussing Patty Hearst is her family, the Hearst family, the people that exploit everything.

595
01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:14,480
I mean they control the media, 100%.

596
01:34:14,480 --> 01:34:20,080
Everything you read, everything you hear about, all the fear, all the sorrow, they control

597
01:34:20,080 --> 01:34:21,080
that.

598
01:34:21,080 --> 01:34:23,400
They're the ones that are directing it to you.

599
01:34:23,400 --> 01:34:27,720
So when Patty was kidnapped, they were controlling the things that you learned and heard and read

600
01:34:27,720 --> 01:34:28,720
and saw.

601
01:34:28,720 --> 01:34:30,720
They were the ones that were controlling the communicates.

602
01:34:30,720 --> 01:34:35,100
Of course, the SLA were recording them, but who was in control of letting the whole world

603
01:34:35,100 --> 01:34:39,640
know about it and also putting the world into a fear that the SLA was thousands and thousands

604
01:34:39,640 --> 01:34:44,120
of people as to where it truly was like eight board middle class white people.

605
01:34:44,120 --> 01:34:45,840
And then of course, SinQ.

606
01:34:45,840 --> 01:34:47,760
You want to learn more about all of that?

607
01:34:47,760 --> 01:34:50,520
Go back and check out the Patty Hearst three-part series.

608
01:34:50,520 --> 01:34:52,040
It's fun for everyone.

609
01:34:52,040 --> 01:34:54,040
It's fun for all of the world.

610
01:34:54,040 --> 01:34:56,040
It's fun for all of the world.

611
01:34:56,040 --> 01:34:58,040
It's fun for all of the world.

612
01:34:58,040 --> 01:35:00,040
It's fun for all of the world.

613
01:35:00,040 --> 01:35:02,040
It's fun for all of the world.

614
01:35:02,040 --> 01:35:04,040
It's fun for all of the world.

615
01:35:04,040 --> 01:35:05,040
It's fun for all of the world.

616
01:35:05,040 --> 01:35:06,040
It's fun for all of the world.

617
01:35:06,040 --> 01:35:07,040
It's fun for all of the world.

618
01:35:07,040 --> 01:35:08,040
It's fun for all of the world.

619
01:35:08,040 --> 01:35:09,040
It's fun for all of the world.

620
01:35:09,040 --> 01:35:10,040
It's fun for all of the world.

621
01:35:10,040 --> 01:35:11,040
It's fun for all of the world.

622
01:35:11,040 --> 01:35:12,040
It's fun for all of the world.

623
01:35:12,040 --> 01:35:13,040
It's fun for all of the world.

624
01:35:13,040 --> 01:35:14,040
It's fun for all of the world.

625
01:35:14,040 --> 01:35:15,040
It's fun for all of the world.

626
01:35:15,040 --> 01:35:16,040
It's fun for all of the world.

627
01:35:16,040 --> 01:35:17,040
It's fun for all of the world.

628
01:35:17,040 --> 01:35:18,040
It's fun for all of the world.

629
01:35:18,040 --> 01:35:21,040
A whole idea of bringing the news directly to you.

630
01:35:21,040 --> 01:35:25,040
Look how sensationalized the idea of that even was almost unironically

631
01:35:25,040 --> 01:35:27,040
when it comes to network.

632
01:35:27,040 --> 01:35:28,040
I mean, go figure.

633
01:35:28,040 --> 01:35:31,040
Her ideas that weren't good enough in life end up becoming

634
01:35:31,040 --> 01:35:33,040
absolutely perfect for a feature film.

635
01:35:33,040 --> 01:35:37,040
The things that she consistently was rejected for and pushed away for

636
01:35:37,040 --> 01:35:40,040
end up end up becoming the sensationalization.

637
01:35:40,040 --> 01:35:43,040
And then the inner workings of this movie really get exposed.

638
01:35:43,040 --> 01:35:46,040
You get to see the valiant effort of some

639
01:35:46,040 --> 01:35:51,040
and others absolute need to move to the top to be the most successful,

640
01:35:51,040 --> 01:35:54,040
despite the fact that being incredibly hollow,

641
01:35:54,040 --> 01:35:57,040
there being nothing there outside of a little name placard.

642
01:35:57,040 --> 01:35:59,040
Which I don't think is something that Christine Shubbick wanted.

643
01:35:59,040 --> 01:36:01,040
I don't think that is something she reached for.

644
01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:04,040
I think she wanted to be successful on her own right

645
01:36:04,040 --> 01:36:06,040
in her own universe and her own mindset.

646
01:36:06,040 --> 01:36:09,040
I think that she wanted to be herself

647
01:36:09,040 --> 01:36:12,040
and be everything she could be her way.

648
01:36:12,040 --> 01:36:15,040
And consistently when she attempted to do that,

649
01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:17,040
it was just no...

650
01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:19,040
Your way, it's nice.

651
01:36:19,040 --> 01:36:22,040
Isn't it pretty to think so, like Hemingway said?

652
01:36:22,040 --> 01:36:24,040
But it's not the way things work.

653
01:36:24,040 --> 01:36:25,040
You gotta do things the way it works.

654
01:36:25,040 --> 01:36:28,040
But also you come from a culture that teaches you about Picasso

655
01:36:28,040 --> 01:36:30,040
and tells you that everyone can be president.

656
01:36:30,040 --> 01:36:32,040
Just try really hard.

657
01:36:32,040 --> 01:36:33,040
You can be an artist.

658
01:36:33,040 --> 01:36:35,040
And then you sit down and you try and be an artist

659
01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:38,040
and drown in student debt and have no idea what to do with your life

660
01:36:38,040 --> 01:36:40,040
and everything is meaningless and pointless.

661
01:36:40,040 --> 01:36:42,040
Can't find a job.

662
01:36:42,040 --> 01:36:44,040
Society doesn't want artists.

663
01:36:44,040 --> 01:36:46,040
But they tell you, hey, it's a good idea.

664
01:36:46,040 --> 01:36:47,040
Follow your dreams.

665
01:36:47,040 --> 01:36:50,040
Hopefully your dreams consist of working in an Amazon factory.

666
01:36:50,040 --> 01:36:53,040
[mimicking music]

667
01:36:53,040 --> 01:36:57,040
Christine, Chubbick and Patty Hearst don't have a lot in common.

668
01:36:57,040 --> 01:36:59,040
But when you separate who Patty Hearst was

669
01:36:59,040 --> 01:37:03,040
and who Christine was and you look at 30, 40, 50 years later,

670
01:37:03,040 --> 01:37:06,040
you see the exploitation of both of these people.

671
01:37:06,040 --> 01:37:09,040
Even my Patty Hearst show was for a great deal, my opinion,

672
01:37:09,040 --> 01:37:11,040
and my thoughts on it.

673
01:37:11,040 --> 01:37:15,040
Yes, I put a lot of research into it, but that doesn't mean anything.

674
01:37:15,040 --> 01:37:17,040
It doesn't mean it's true.

675
01:37:17,040 --> 01:37:20,040
Doesn't mean that you can believe absolutely everything you heard me say,

676
01:37:20,040 --> 01:37:22,040
and that goes double for this.

677
01:37:22,040 --> 01:37:25,040
But all these years later, it's just the exploitation of these people.

678
01:37:25,040 --> 01:37:28,040
Who the fuck would have known anything about Patty Hearst?

679
01:37:28,040 --> 01:37:29,040
She was just some ares.

680
01:37:29,040 --> 01:37:30,040
She wasn't anything.

681
01:37:30,040 --> 01:37:31,040
Who would have cared?

682
01:37:31,040 --> 01:37:34,040
This was way before an era of people like Paris Hilton

683
01:37:34,040 --> 01:37:36,040
where we had these false gods that we worship.

684
01:37:36,040 --> 01:37:40,040
These people that have done nothing but been born 100% into wealth.

685
01:37:40,040 --> 01:37:42,040
Like the whole Prince Harry thing.

686
01:37:42,040 --> 01:37:45,040
Why the fuck do we care so much about these people?

687
01:37:45,040 --> 01:37:47,040
And I have nothing against the royal family.

688
01:37:47,040 --> 01:37:49,040
I am an American though.

689
01:37:49,040 --> 01:37:53,040
We had that whole thing, the revolution, all that.

690
01:37:53,040 --> 01:37:55,040
But where are the ones that are just like weeping?

691
01:37:55,040 --> 01:37:56,040
Can you believe this happens?

692
01:37:56,040 --> 01:38:00,040
Some dumb motherfuckers set up a go-fun made-of-help pay this prick's rent.

693
01:38:00,040 --> 01:38:04,040
Like $14 million rent.

694
01:38:04,040 --> 01:38:05,040
Come on.

695
01:38:05,040 --> 01:38:07,040
Is that not brainwashing?

696
01:38:07,040 --> 01:38:09,040
You don't even know fucking anything about this guy.

697
01:38:09,040 --> 01:38:11,040
Of course that's not the point.

698
01:38:11,040 --> 01:38:15,040
It's just a subject that I can use to allow you to see exploitation.

699
01:38:15,040 --> 01:38:19,040
I mean in this situation the public is the one being exploited at this point.

700
01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:22,040
We sit and we watch three people on television.

701
01:38:22,040 --> 01:38:28,040
Probably altogether worth billions sitting and talking about how fucking hard life is.

702
01:38:28,040 --> 01:38:32,040
I mean maybe if they'd done the interview in Flint, Michigan or someplace like that

703
01:38:32,040 --> 01:38:35,040
while drinking green water I might have had a little bit more sympathy.

704
01:38:35,040 --> 01:38:38,040
But then you have situations like Christine Shubbick and Patty Hearst

705
01:38:38,040 --> 01:38:41,040
where you would assume and would think there would be sympathy for these people.

706
01:38:41,040 --> 01:38:47,040
One woman shot herself, the other regardless of the entirety of the story was kidnapped.

707
01:38:47,040 --> 01:38:51,040
Forced to live for 50 some odd days at a closet.

708
01:38:51,040 --> 01:38:55,040
And then brainwashed, as they say, to help rob banks.

709
01:38:55,040 --> 01:39:00,040
She went to prison, she was pardoned, everything that you would want out of society.

710
01:39:00,040 --> 01:39:03,040
She did her time, she was fucking pardoned.

711
01:39:03,040 --> 01:39:06,040
The difference between her and Christine Shubbick is that Patty Hearst is still here.

712
01:39:06,040 --> 01:39:14,040
The direction of Patty's story, the way it's told, the information that is known for one comes greatly from her wealth and her parents.

713
01:39:14,040 --> 01:39:17,040
And that also might be something with the Christine Shubbick story.

714
01:39:17,040 --> 01:39:21,040
Her grandparents had a great deal of wealth and at one point in time were very, very successful.

715
01:39:21,040 --> 01:39:27,040
Going to the early 1970s, I don't doubt that there was a lot of ability to suppress a lot of stuff like this.

716
01:39:27,040 --> 01:39:29,040
And once information is gone, it's gone.

717
01:39:29,040 --> 01:39:31,040
Once it's purged, it's purged.

718
01:39:31,040 --> 01:39:34,040
You know how it was destroyed by fire?

719
01:39:34,040 --> 01:39:41,040
I mean there were computers, but this was back in the good old days where you could actually have information stored in other places and it's just gone.

720
01:39:41,040 --> 01:39:49,040
Anything on her is gone and I keep echoing that over and over and over again on the show because it just, it's hollow and strange to me.

721
01:39:49,040 --> 01:39:54,040
I think there's so much more to this than any of us will ever know and any of us are able to know because...

722
01:39:54,040 --> 01:39:56,040
There's just nothing.

723
01:39:56,040 --> 01:39:58,040
You can read everything on Patty Hearst.

724
01:39:58,040 --> 01:40:01,040
You can go listen to my three hour special on fucking Patty Hearst.

725
01:40:01,040 --> 01:40:05,040
There's a great deal of information on top of the Paul Schrader film.

726
01:40:05,040 --> 01:40:10,040
There's dozens of books made for TV, specials, movies, all sorts of stuff.

727
01:40:10,040 --> 01:40:12,040
And that's the different forms of exploitation.

728
01:40:12,040 --> 01:40:15,040
We can take Patty and we can exploit her because the story is provocative.

729
01:40:15,040 --> 01:40:21,040
Then we can take Christine and we can exploit her for the same reasons, but it's just the end of the story that is provocative to anyone else.

730
01:40:21,040 --> 01:40:26,040
You've got Patty Hearst, you've got this idea was she really brainwashed or was she radicalized?

731
01:40:26,040 --> 01:40:29,040
And finally when she got caught she resorted back to well.

732
01:40:29,040 --> 01:40:33,040
I'm a rich girl. They kidnapped me. It wasn't my fault. It doesn't matter.

733
01:40:33,040 --> 01:40:39,040
They need unfortunately as a whole it just doesn't matter because all it's ever going to be focused on is the end of the story.

734
01:40:39,040 --> 01:40:42,040
Patty Hearst got busted and Christine shot herself.

735
01:40:42,040 --> 01:40:46,040
And something else they share in common is the fact that nobody really remembers any of this.

736
01:40:46,040 --> 01:40:56,040
No one has a recollection of it despite the fact how eerily similar the political climates were in the early 1970s to how they are right now in 2021.

737
01:40:56,040 --> 01:41:01,040
A C-minical liberation army though I love that man network is a swell movie.

738
01:41:01,040 --> 01:41:13,040
This movie takes off into the emotional direction you would have expected Christine and Kate plays Christine to go into in this movie as old just a few years old or what a year or two 1976 to 1976 to 1976.

739
01:41:13,040 --> 01:41:18,040
And Christine Shubbick died 1974. This film came out 1976. It's a year and a half younger.

740
01:41:18,040 --> 01:41:23,040
This movie dealing directly in that time period captures the point of Christine Shubbick's story.

741
01:41:23,040 --> 01:41:32,040
It captures the point of why she killed herself and it shows you the other exploitation that would be to come that is the campus film and Kate plays Christine.

742
01:41:32,040 --> 01:41:35,040
But it's not just derived from that standpoint.

743
01:41:35,040 --> 01:41:41,040
Obviously the Peter Finch character Howard Beal who is the man who is going to kill himself on live TV.

744
01:41:41,040 --> 01:41:43,040
That's where Christine comes in.

745
01:41:43,040 --> 01:41:47,040
But you've got the what if you've got this hypothetical here.

746
01:41:47,040 --> 01:42:03,040
He doesn't kill himself and he's given his own TV show where he just gets to rant and rave and he's fucking unstable. The one person that was able to help him has been fired and everyone else around him is exploits exploiting him is pressuring and pushing and trying to get more and more and more and more and more because of the ratings because of the money.

747
01:42:03,040 --> 01:42:08,040
I mentioned at the beginning of the show that we get into this but there is no government ever.

748
01:42:08,040 --> 01:42:30,040
There's an idea of it but there is money and this is is beautifully some of the greatest dialogue just screaming yelling angry dialogue you'll ever hear comes out of this movie but that sort of a Sydney Lament thing he had the greatest skill of getting a bunch of people around and being able to get him to yell and it sound great ever heard a 12 angry men.

749
01:42:30,040 --> 01:42:45,040
I know people around the table yelling for 90 minutes and got them if it's not good mother fucker did dog day afternoon if you've not seen dog day afternoon I know this is totally all subject but come on do me a favor watch dog day afternoon it's a great film.

750
01:42:45,040 --> 01:42:49,040
John Cazale arguably one of his best fucking performances.

751
01:42:49,040 --> 01:42:57,040
I mean out of three not a lot to deal with here but you know you've got the Godfather which I'm not a fan of not a Godfather and I have nothing to back that up.

752
01:42:57,040 --> 01:43:04,040
We're not going to talk about that at all. I'm going to fucking unload a statement like that and not say anything else about it the dear hunter and then dog day afternoon.

753
01:43:04,040 --> 01:43:13,040
Dear hunters of fucking spectacular motion picture on its own but man if you could go to any country you want to where would it be Montana.

754
01:43:13,040 --> 01:43:21,040
Fucking tell me dog day afternoon isn't just great Sydney Lament Master of dialogue Master of Direction great talent in general.

755
01:43:21,040 --> 01:43:35,040
This film is is like all it is is emotion. I mean the first scenes of the movie is this guy talking about he's going to whack himself on fucking television well that sounds like he was just going to jerk off I don't know why I use that fucking verbiage.

756
01:43:35,040 --> 01:43:45,040
It's got to shoot himself on television and then it's just pure degradation and when Christine Shubbick died that's all it was.

757
01:43:45,040 --> 01:43:56,040
She finally made every news outlet she was on the cover of the times everywhere this pissant station WXLTV that probably would have been shut down in a year or two.

758
01:43:56,040 --> 01:44:04,040
Blue up became an affiliate station it finally had some form of success if it bleeds it leads.

759
01:44:04,040 --> 01:44:08,040
That's the point that's that's that's the whole thing.

760
01:44:08,040 --> 01:44:15,040
That's what we're biting against is what we're railing against here and I like I said earlier says nothing to do with horror.

761
01:44:15,040 --> 01:44:20,040
Does nothing to do with trash cinema this is nothing to do with exploitation movies.

762
01:44:20,040 --> 01:44:26,040
This is the exploitation in the horror and the devaluing and the dehumanization of somebody of somebody that was real.

763
01:44:26,040 --> 01:44:31,040
Just like me and you and your mom and your brother and your cousin and your best friend.

764
01:44:31,040 --> 01:44:36,040
Real and the flesh you can't turn that off you can't just change the channel.

765
01:44:36,040 --> 01:44:41,040
You can't delete it you can't just skip over it and go to the next episode it's fucking real it's life.

766
01:44:41,040 --> 01:44:48,040
I'll avoid going deep into the details of network because this is a film that truly deserves its own show.

767
01:44:48,040 --> 01:44:50,040
It's own full episode on death by DVD.

768
01:44:50,040 --> 01:45:00,040
But what you're presented with here is the absolute degradation of somebody that needs help somebody that's incredibly unstable somebody that anyone can see needs help.

769
01:45:00,040 --> 01:45:10,040
And it echoes the Christine story to be getting the film he says to a colleague what would you think about me blowing my brains out and they laugh because nobody takes anything seriously and that's instilled into us.

770
01:45:10,040 --> 01:45:13,040
It's not your fault it's not a fault of anyone.

771
01:45:13,040 --> 01:45:15,040
It's what we have with this society.

772
01:45:15,040 --> 01:45:27,040
It's what we literally are driven to of being a snarky sarcastic don't get close to anyone sort of mentality and that's the fear and that's what's given to us every day.

773
01:45:27,040 --> 01:45:32,040
That's all that we are exposed to on any single secular level even jumping on Facebook.

774
01:45:32,040 --> 01:45:48,040
It's just constant fear when you're surrounded by it how can you not help but be afraid how can you not help but buy into it and how can you not help a believe in it on one of his rants in the film Peter Finches character Howard Biel yells out.

775
01:45:48,040 --> 01:45:50,040
Television's not the truth.

776
01:45:50,040 --> 01:45:54,040
Television's a goddamn circus and that.

777
01:45:54,040 --> 01:46:14,040
That's an embodiment the hope chase the whole point the fact that somebody's life couldn't even be seen withering away because of what ratings and the importance of entertainment the value of human life is so little these days don't you think in the last two three hundred years

778
01:46:14,040 --> 01:46:27,040
let's say since the industrial revolution or so really the value of a human being just doesn't stand for anything I mean for one now you can be replaced easily by a robot but if you're not working what's your worth to society

779
01:46:27,040 --> 01:46:39,040
Oh your bummed out your depressed well how's that society's fault that's the mentality that you're constantly given that's the only thing that the four walls of realism surround you with

780
01:46:39,040 --> 01:46:44,420
do with. It's always your fault. But you know what? We live in a society that doesn't want

781
01:46:44,420 --> 01:46:48,180
you to succeed; we live in a world that doesn't want you to have your own dreams and your

782
01:46:48,180 --> 01:46:52,080
own thoughts. So is it your own fucking fault? Is it Christine's fault? Is it her fault?

783
01:46:52,080 --> 01:46:56,800
That she played ball? Is it her fault that she gave him what she wanted? I think the disgusting

784
01:46:56,800 --> 01:47:00,780
thing, I think the fault is, is the people that glorify it. I think it's the fault

785
01:47:00,780 --> 01:47:05,380
of people like Robert Green who did Kate play Christine that just continuously pushed and

786
01:47:05,380 --> 01:47:10,340
perpetuate that same angle despite trying to have some mentality of their own that they're

787
01:47:10,340 --> 01:47:16,140
doing the right thing. And it's just disturbing. It's very strange that not just Christine

788
01:47:16,140 --> 01:47:21,100
Shubick, but in general all we can ever fixate on is the end of the story. All we can ever

789
01:47:21,100 --> 01:47:27,020
look at is the horrible end. We never look at anything else. Network speaks on an industry

790
01:47:27,020 --> 01:47:31,860
that exploits people at all levels. Kate plays Christine is just another part of that

791
01:47:31,860 --> 01:47:36,300
industry exploiting a person and calling them names 40 years after they're dead and then

792
01:47:36,300 --> 01:47:41,100
insulting the audience like they're any better like they've done absolutely anything better

793
01:47:41,100 --> 01:47:44,940
outside of playing to ratings and just playing it up because they know at the end of the

794
01:47:44,940 --> 01:47:49,900
movie there's gonna be a big bang. All they've done is exploited the blood and guts. It's

795
01:47:49,900 --> 01:47:55,340
literally Kate plays Christine is like the company that's exploiting bills in network.

796
01:47:55,340 --> 01:48:00,580
It's the same hand. Death is real. It's not just a rating, but it's all it's used for.

797
01:48:00,580 --> 01:48:06,860
All death, not horror, not action movies, real death. All this real death is sensationalized,

798
01:48:06,860 --> 01:48:11,980
but the actual deaths, the meaning behind them, all of it's completely lost. It's forgotten

799
01:48:11,980 --> 01:48:16,940
and in most cases it's just erased. It just leaves the violence and it leaves the violence

800
01:48:16,940 --> 01:48:22,580
able to be exploited. Even something like Sandy Hook, even something like 9/11, we have

801
01:48:22,580 --> 01:48:28,580
the violence. We never have the story. The thing is, you know, no one's nice to each other.

802
01:48:28,580 --> 01:48:32,700
There is no love. We live in a cold world and it's all based on money and it's all based

803
01:48:32,700 --> 01:48:36,740
on ratings. It's all based on some form of success. It's all completely arbitrary when

804
01:48:36,740 --> 01:48:41,860
it comes down to the end of the day. If life wasn't reduced to just the most basic things,

805
01:48:41,860 --> 01:48:47,100
just entertainment, basic flesh level excitement, love would be more common, but we have fear

806
01:48:47,100 --> 01:48:52,660
and we have doom and we have gloom and we have hate and we have xenophobia pushed on us

807
01:48:52,660 --> 01:48:58,820
every single day. How can you, how can you not feel alone in a society that does nothing

808
01:48:58,820 --> 01:49:04,300
but monger fear? I mean, really, I keep coming back to that question, but what other option

809
01:49:04,300 --> 01:49:10,540
does anyone have? There is no compassion. It's just a bunch of scared people. All, all we

810
01:49:10,540 --> 01:49:17,260
are, all, all everyone is. It's just a bunch of scared people bustling along every day,

811
01:49:17,260 --> 01:49:24,460
ignoring one another. There is no love, if only. Just be complacent. Don't make waves. Don't

812
01:49:24,460 --> 01:49:28,500
leave your house. Are you going to get car jacked? Don't have a personality. Just do your

813
01:49:28,500 --> 01:49:33,620
work. Keep your head down and do what we are told. Just watch American Idol and drink your

814
01:49:33,620 --> 01:49:39,620
core's light. Imagine if we didn't live like that. Imagine if Christine hadn't lived

815
01:49:39,620 --> 01:49:44,420
like that. The what difference would have made. You know, ultimately we don't know anything.

816
01:49:44,420 --> 01:49:50,180
Her death could have stopped the world's greatest news reporter. I don't know. I doubt it.

817
01:49:50,180 --> 01:49:55,460
But her death would have stopped. Was it death? And isn't that enough? Isn't the human life

818
01:49:55,460 --> 01:50:00,140
being saved enough? Of course, there wouldn't be any sensationalizing. There wouldn't be

819
01:50:00,140 --> 01:50:05,100
anything to write home about. There'd be no clickbait article to read it to in the morning

820
01:50:05,100 --> 01:50:10,180
about somebody shooting themselves. And that's the morose thing. That's the bizarre thing.

821
01:50:10,180 --> 01:50:14,260
Fixate on the death. You fixate on the end. You exploit all of that and you've done

822
01:50:14,260 --> 01:50:19,820
what to show that there was a person behind all of it. You've just completely forgotten them.

823
01:50:19,820 --> 01:50:24,260
And it takes us back to the beginning of this episode where I say Christine was forgotten

824
01:50:24,260 --> 01:50:29,900
and almost erased. Could it be her powerful grandparents or the station being embarrassed

825
01:50:29,900 --> 01:50:34,780
that have just removed her from this earth? Her family's incessant need to continuously

826
01:50:34,780 --> 01:50:38,340
say, "Ah, it's because she couldn't get married and have kids." That doesn't seem like

827
01:50:38,340 --> 01:50:42,620
the thing that held Christine shoved it down. Obviously she held herself down in many,

828
01:50:42,620 --> 01:50:49,460
many cases. She fought herself. But it wasn't just her. It wasn't like a woman against the

829
01:50:49,460 --> 01:50:53,500
world. It was more like a world against somebody that didn't want to fit in the way that they

830
01:50:53,500 --> 01:50:57,580
thought she should. Sometimes people just don't take it. I mean, what else can you say?

831
01:50:57,580 --> 01:51:01,580
What other reasoning can you give? This was planned. She bought the gun. She knew what she

832
01:51:01,580 --> 01:51:06,900
was going to do. She had a message. I keep saying that. Keep pointing that out. She had

833
01:51:06,900 --> 01:51:11,340
a message. We let this fear and this hate into our homes and our hearts and our minds.

834
01:51:11,340 --> 01:51:16,180
We let it poison us. We let it destroy us and our children's lives and the next generation

835
01:51:16,180 --> 01:51:20,540
in the future after that. We teach them to have the same fear and we teach them to hate

836
01:51:20,540 --> 01:51:25,140
the same things. There is no understanding. There is no love. There is no compassion in

837
01:51:25,140 --> 01:51:32,740
the point. Is this world black? All of those things. This world blacks. Rainbows, man, and

838
01:51:32,740 --> 01:51:40,060
puppy dogs, sparkles. So much could come from every life, every single life. So much can

839
01:51:40,060 --> 01:51:44,740
come from it. And we live in a world that doesn't want that. We live in a world that doesn't

840
01:51:44,740 --> 01:51:48,060
want to perpetuate. We live in a world that doesn't want to push you to be the best that you

841
01:51:48,060 --> 01:51:53,380
can be. We live in a world that pushes you to be the best that you can be for something

842
01:51:53,380 --> 01:51:58,500
else. Be the best that you can be for your society. So you work hard every day and pay taxes.

843
01:51:58,500 --> 01:52:02,300
What does that fucking do for you, man? What happened to your inner child? What happened

844
01:52:02,300 --> 01:52:06,260
to your dreams? What happened to your hopes? You can ask the same thing about Christine

845
01:52:06,260 --> 01:52:10,740
Shubbick, but really ask yourself, where are all those things? She put a gun to the back of

846
01:52:10,740 --> 01:52:15,220
her head in 1974 and she killed herself. She chose to get off the ride. But what about

847
01:52:15,220 --> 01:52:19,340
all those same things that you can connect and you can look at? And somebody kills themselves.

848
01:52:19,340 --> 01:52:25,020
They're at the very end of everything. That's it. You kill yourself. All those things that

849
01:52:25,020 --> 01:52:30,180
once stood for something erupted into space and time. When did you stop loving the world?

850
01:52:30,180 --> 01:52:35,780
When did you stop dreaming? You should never allow yourself to stop dreaming. You should

851
01:52:35,780 --> 01:52:42,540
never give up. I don't think Christine did. I don't think she gave up. I don't think she

852
01:52:42,540 --> 01:52:48,780
stopped dreaming. I think she just decided. This is the point. This is what you want. This

853
01:52:48,780 --> 01:52:54,820
is what you get. This is reality. You ask for it and you shall receive in its own sense.

854
01:52:54,820 --> 01:52:59,500
Perhaps Christine was exploiting death, exploiting the nature of all those around her forcing

855
01:52:59,500 --> 01:53:05,100
all of them to look inside themselves. Her action, her moment evoked something in all

856
01:53:05,100 --> 01:53:08,820
of these people. I don't know where they are. They're probably on their 70s and 80s and

857
01:53:08,820 --> 01:53:12,380
most of them are dead. But in that moment, they were all forced to look deeply inside

858
01:53:12,380 --> 01:53:16,420
of themselves in the world around them. And I don't know if anybody recognized anything.

859
01:53:16,420 --> 01:53:20,500
I can't answer those questions. I don't know. But I think the actions behind Christine

860
01:53:20,500 --> 01:53:26,140
Shubbick putting a gun to her head is far more than just suicide. I think within that

861
01:53:26,140 --> 01:53:32,540
trigger being pulled, there was a lesson. And there was a point. I think 40 some odd years

862
01:53:32,540 --> 01:53:41,020
later, that point is still evident. But clearly, it's not seen very well. And the option to exploit

863
01:53:41,020 --> 01:53:47,900
that point is so incredibly easy. But that's just how it's been done. Of course, the easy

864
01:53:47,900 --> 01:53:54,580
way is always what's done first. Not that I'm uncovering any stones here or are trying

865
01:53:54,580 --> 01:54:00,300
to change the direction of these films. Obviously, I don't care for Kate plays Christine, but

866
01:54:00,300 --> 01:54:05,580
I felt the 2016 film Christine itself. It's worth seeing. It's emotional. It attempts

867
01:54:05,580 --> 01:54:12,420
to tell something. It attempts to connect. Maybe it will for you. I found it avoiding any

868
01:54:12,420 --> 01:54:19,260
point and any conversation about Christine. Just this little expose piece about some sad

869
01:54:19,260 --> 01:54:23,900
person. And that all everything is just a little piece about sad people. It's not how the

870
01:54:23,900 --> 01:54:28,500
story ends. The matters. It's the story itself and how it's told. Most of the time, all

871
01:54:28,500 --> 01:54:34,780
we focus on is the end. We exploit it. Death is certain. Life is not. It's just a ride.

872
01:54:34,780 --> 01:54:43,660
If only, if, if only we could care about the story and not just the ending. Death sells.

873
01:54:43,660 --> 01:54:48,140
One way or another. It always wins. Death will always win because it sells. You might not

874
01:54:48,140 --> 01:54:56,940
see it happen, but you'll hear about it. You'll read about it. The end. That's always known.

875
01:54:56,940 --> 01:55:02,200
Disationalized. Fuck the story. Network is the perfect example. And still to this day, it

876
01:55:02,200 --> 01:55:08,160
gets the point. If Christine lives on in any way, the message of network is her spirit

877
01:55:08,160 --> 01:55:14,980
on this earth. It's not an insult or exploitation of her life. Everything she stood for. Everything

878
01:55:14,980 --> 01:55:22,900
that she fought for is evident and it's crystal clear. It's all right there. The dehumanization,

879
01:55:22,900 --> 01:55:29,940
the lack of compassion, the hate everyone has. It's just taught to us. That's just instilled

880
01:55:29,940 --> 01:55:34,660
on us from every form of media that we try and connect to. It's all right there and it's

881
01:55:34,660 --> 01:55:39,980
all incredibly relevant just as much as it was in 1976 as it is to this day. And the fact

882
01:55:39,980 --> 01:55:45,340
that it all comes from what Christine Shubbick did. You look at this. Somebody got it. Somebody

883
01:55:45,340 --> 01:55:54,460
got it 40 years ago. And now you can even see the impact of how people live in fear with

884
01:55:54,460 --> 01:55:59,340
something like Kate plays Christine because the ending of the movie is just so juvenile and

885
01:55:59,340 --> 01:56:03,580
it's so bland. I think that's even one of the most offensive things about it is it's

886
01:56:03,580 --> 01:56:09,940
downright bland and it's insulting to me as a viewer that you think you can get away with

887
01:56:09,940 --> 01:56:14,780
that and call it a piece. You think you can get away with that and call it justice to

888
01:56:14,780 --> 01:56:20,900
the human being that was your subject matter. Kate plays Christine gives no regard to who

889
01:56:20,900 --> 01:56:28,660
Christine Shubbick was and is bad ratings kill though. They really do one way or another.

890
01:56:28,660 --> 01:56:34,580
Your career, your life. It's a hard business. Not just entertainment life in general. You

891
01:56:34,580 --> 01:56:39,500
might not work for ABC but you're still being rated every single one of us all day every

892
01:56:39,500 --> 01:56:43,700
day. We all live in fear. What do you do to let the sunshine in? What do you do to let

893
01:56:43,700 --> 01:56:47,020
the love in? What do you do to make tomorrow a better day? I can't answer that. I don't

894
01:56:47,020 --> 01:56:52,580
know. I can't tell you anything but what I can do is say that almost in martyrdom Christine

895
01:56:52,580 --> 01:56:58,380
Shubbick exists and died fighting a system that only wants you to be afraid. He was tired

896
01:56:58,380 --> 01:57:03,140
of the fear so she gave them a taste of their own medicine and I know that sounds insane

897
01:57:03,140 --> 01:57:07,420
but at the end of the day that's what I truly believe and I look into her eyes and I stare

898
01:57:07,420 --> 01:57:13,180
at these awful grainy pictures over. That's what I believe. Let's look at taxi driver

899
01:57:13,180 --> 01:57:17,900
Martin Scorsese written by Paul Schrader. Here's a man who wouldn't take it anymore of the

900
01:57:17,900 --> 01:57:22,420
actions of Travis Bickle. So he goes in and kills all those people. She's that whorehouse

901
01:57:22,420 --> 01:57:27,820
up. Kills all the pimps. Is there any difference? I mean just the whole point of that story itself

902
01:57:27,820 --> 01:57:32,660
take away the fact that he lives. He's supposed to die. He gets shot up by all those people. He

903
01:57:32,660 --> 01:57:37,220
killed himself. He did this as an action. A last stand martyrdom. It's not so hard to

904
01:57:37,220 --> 01:57:41,700
conceptually look at it and maybe you can look at something fictionalized and see it.

905
01:57:41,700 --> 01:57:45,380
And I think that's what Kate plays Christine trying to do is almost fictionalize the story

906
01:57:45,380 --> 01:57:51,700
to remove some emotion from it. Maybe playing off the fact that her story has been erased

907
01:57:51,700 --> 01:57:56,740
whether it's from embarrassment or her family not wanting it to be exposed not wanting

908
01:57:56,740 --> 01:58:00,580
her to be seen which is ridiculous. This has nothing to do with the death tape. This has

909
01:58:00,580 --> 01:58:04,500
to do with her work. This has to do with her life and the essence there of it. It's just

910
01:58:04,500 --> 01:58:10,740
gone. And who is anyone to say that we can't see it? Christine put it out in the world

911
01:58:10,740 --> 01:58:16,020
for us to see and then it just gets taken away because of the end of the story. So you know

912
01:58:16,020 --> 01:58:20,740
one paid attention to the beginning or the middle it seems. And that's I guess how it

913
01:58:20,740 --> 01:58:24,900
goes in life. They remember you when you're gone. No one listened to Christine when she was

914
01:58:24,900 --> 01:58:30,660
alive. But decades after her death she gets to be exploited by some filmmakers for their own

915
01:58:30,660 --> 01:58:37,540
point or what they think is a point. But they don't actually have one. Even in death, no one

916
01:58:37,540 --> 01:58:43,620
listened to Christine Shubbick. Dehumanization. Just breaking her down to an idea, just an idea

917
01:58:43,620 --> 01:58:49,540
of someone that killed themselves in a shocking manner. The movies about her exploit the blood

918
01:58:49,540 --> 01:58:54,660
and guts that she literally stood against. It misses the story that she tried to tell. It misses

919
01:58:54,660 --> 01:58:59,380
the type of story she would have covered. A human story. A story about a person who wouldn't

920
01:58:59,380 --> 01:59:04,980
bend to fit in. They wanted to be themselves to the extent that they died for it. The human, though

921
01:59:04,980 --> 01:59:12,420
dead. The entity. It matters more than some edgy drama club shock scene. It matters more than

922
01:59:12,420 --> 01:59:17,700
insulting the audience. Network hyperfixates on the exploitation. The exploitation of a human.

923
01:59:17,700 --> 01:59:22,020
The exploitation of somebody with a problem. The exploitation of somebody that deeply needs help.

924
01:59:22,020 --> 01:59:29,060
And like Christine at the end of the day, their death is completely misunderstood. When it all comes

925
01:59:29,060 --> 01:59:35,060
down to the end, I feel Christine Shubbick has been nothing but exploited while she lived and in death,

926
01:59:35,060 --> 01:59:41,780
nothing but exploitation. That itself saddens me almost as much as her death, the fact that

927
01:59:41,780 --> 01:59:48,340
she dies in such a violent vulgar manner with such a point with something so poignant.

928
01:59:48,340 --> 01:59:54,340
And it's just missed. It's just chunked up to headlines and ratings. And then years and years later,

929
01:59:54,340 --> 02:00:00,180
it's just this exploitive manner that we can line out onto a film and you can watch and just move on

930
02:00:00,180 --> 02:00:05,460
from. Nothing that touches you. Nothing that has a valid meaning. Nothing that reaches inside

931
02:00:05,460 --> 02:00:10,660
of you and lets you understand something. Just vacancy. Not even a story of life and death,

932
02:00:10,660 --> 02:00:17,460
just death. That's what we get when it comes to Christine Shubbick. It's heartbreaking. It's

933
02:00:17,460 --> 02:00:22,020
defeating. Makes you wonder at the end of the day. Makes you wonder what's going to be said and

934
02:00:22,020 --> 02:00:27,220
left of you. All of us. Is it just going to be the end of the story? I don't know if this will

935
02:00:27,220 --> 02:00:32,020
mean anything to you. I had a lot of things I wanted to say about Christine Shubbick. I didn't get

936
02:00:32,020 --> 02:00:39,140
them all out, but I hope I made a point. I hope to some extent, I helped extenduate her point.

937
02:00:39,140 --> 02:00:46,420
I can't speak for her in death, but I can certainly tell you I felt something. Her story made me think

938
02:00:46,420 --> 02:00:54,500
about myself and life. The show, a lot of things. I think Christine Shubbick was an amazing person

939
02:00:54,500 --> 02:01:02,900
with an amazing message. Her means of showing the world at landish, brutal, cold. Some could say selfish,

940
02:01:02,900 --> 02:01:08,980
but it's all perspective. Absolutely everything is. You never know what you look like through other

941
02:01:08,980 --> 02:01:14,740
people's eyes. You really don't. I don't think unfortunately we could say that Christine Shubbick has

942
02:01:14,740 --> 02:01:22,420
gotten any piece or has been able to rest in peace. Her image, her message, her life has just been

943
02:01:22,420 --> 02:01:29,940
completely and utterly exploited. For the entertainment of others, for the artistic perspective of others,

944
02:01:29,940 --> 02:01:38,500
but even in death, which was captured on film, her message is just unheard. Her family doesn't let

945
02:01:38,500 --> 02:01:44,420
it be heard. Her friends didn't have anything to say, and the filmmakers that have represented her

946
02:01:44,420 --> 02:01:52,580
have fallen incredibly short with representing anything human, with giving any sympathy to who she was.

947
02:01:52,580 --> 02:02:01,060
A human fucking being named Christine, not just a story, not just an ending.

948
02:02:01,060 --> 02:02:06,740
Throughout this whole thing, researching Christine, recording this episode, I couldn't help but

949
02:02:06,740 --> 02:02:11,380
think of a poem by a guy named Rudard Kipling. He might know him as the fellow that wrote the

950
02:02:11,380 --> 02:02:16,420
Jungle Book, but he wrote this poem called "F" Dennis Hopper, who was a big fan of this thing.

951
02:02:16,420 --> 02:02:21,140
Recited at once on the Johnny Cash show, and for most of his career would find ways to fit

952
02:02:21,140 --> 02:02:25,700
little lines into his dialogue. I know it definitely appears in a apocalypse now. I don't know

953
02:02:25,700 --> 02:02:31,140
what else I could say. I could continue telling you the information I've researched and gathered

954
02:02:31,140 --> 02:02:37,540
on Christine Shubbick. I could ramble about society, but I think enough has been said. I hope,

955
02:02:37,540 --> 02:02:42,820
at least enough, to put a thought in your head to give you something to look at.

956
02:02:42,820 --> 02:02:52,420
Not death, not fear, but love, and letting it in, in all vicinity, in every way you can,

957
02:02:52,420 --> 02:02:59,380
to relish and wallow in all positivity, to look at the sun and the sky, and to realize that

958
02:02:59,380 --> 02:03:06,100
tomorrow is another day. Christine had a message, and she had a point, but that doesn't mean it's your

959
02:03:06,100 --> 02:03:11,460
message, and that doesn't mean it's your point. So I'm gonna leave you with this poem, make of it

960
02:03:11,460 --> 02:03:17,700
what you will, all of this and more. It's all perception, if you can keep your head, when all about you

961
02:03:17,700 --> 02:03:23,540
are losing theirs and blaming it on you. If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you, but make

962
02:03:23,540 --> 02:03:30,660
a allowance for their doubting too, if you can wait and not be tired by waiting, or being lied about,

963
02:03:30,660 --> 02:03:38,580
don't deal in lies, or being hated, don't give way to hating, and yet don't look too good,

964
02:03:38,580 --> 02:03:44,580
nor talk too wise. If you can dream, and not make dreams your master. If you can think,

965
02:03:44,580 --> 02:03:49,700
and not make thoughts your aim, if you can meet with triumph and disaster and treat those two

966
02:03:49,700 --> 02:03:56,020
imposter's just the same. If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken, twisted by naves to make

967
02:03:56,020 --> 02:04:01,860
a trap for fools, or watched the things you gave your life to, broken, and stoop and build them up

968
02:04:01,860 --> 02:04:07,540
with worn out tools. If you can make one heap of all your winnings and risk it on one turn of

969
02:04:07,540 --> 02:04:13,060
pitch and toss, and lose, and start again at your beginnings, and never breathe the word about your

970
02:04:13,060 --> 02:04:18,660
loss, if you can force your heart and nerve and sin you to serve your turn long after they are gone,

971
02:04:18,660 --> 02:04:24,420
and so hold on when there is nothing in you except the will which says to them, hold on.

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If you can walk with crowds and keep your virtue, or walk with kings, nor lose the common touch,

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if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you, if all men count with you but none too much.

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If you can fill the unforgiving minute with sixty seconds worth of distance run,

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yours is the earth, and everything that's in it, and which is more, you'll be a man, my son.

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Rest in peace, Christine Chovic. It doesn't seem like anyone ever wished that for, in life or

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death, peace. The astray is full, and the bottle is empty. Until next week. Peace.

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[Music]

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If you are hearing this, you have made it to the end of exploiting Christine, the story of a TV

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casualty. The episode that you have been listening to was originally recorded and released in April

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of 2021, and after the release I discovered more information pertinent to the entire point of the

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show, and thus and afterward was created to clear the air of misinformation. What you were about

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to hear is the third and final part of Death by DVD's exploration of Christine Chovic.

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Thank you for listening, and remember, F is a middle word in life.

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[Music]

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Have you ever listened to a podcast and trusted all the information? What if that information was?

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Wrong. Well, hello there. Here we are. So, we have been talking about Christine Chovic. We've

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been talking about the 2016 films Kate plays Christine and Christine. We've also been talking about

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the 1976 movie Network. While doing so, we've discussed the tragic end of Christine Chovic. We've

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attempted to discuss her life, and throughout we've hit a lot of roadblocks. I've brought up time and

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time again that it's exceedingly difficult to dig up information on Christine Chovic. Some of the

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information that was stated in those episodes I have come to find since then is wrong. It's not

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just inaccurate, it's not fake news, it's not misinformation, it's completely fucking wrong. I did

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get this information from the movie Kate plays Christine and I ignorantly ran with it without

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back checking in it was mentioned on two episodes. So, not really factor fiction, just actual facts

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here, but hey, what a way to start the episode. I got to run with something, right? It's material.

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So what is it that I fucked up on so bad that I had to come back and do another episode? And

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personally speaking here, I felt I needed to come back and I needed to make some of these things

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clear. I don't think it's fair especially with the importance of how I feel the subject matter

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to be to just promote lies and to essentially exploit her furthermore for my own ratings

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for death by DVDs ratings. I don't have answers, but I do have an answer to a question. Kind of,

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it's not really a question I was asked on the show, it's something that I reference, something

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that I brought up on both episodes. We're gonna clean that up a little bit here. So this isn't

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so much an afterward to the Christine Chovic story as it's more of an adendum. And Kate plays Christine,

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someone states that one of Christine Chovic's brothers talked about them being the grandchildren of

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Douglas Fairbanks and Mary Pickford and that they used to play in their manner and boss the

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Chosener. So I just say, "Boss the Chosen?" "Could God."

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Oh, we're keeping that. Yeah, I can't cut that out.

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What the fuck was I talking about? It doesn't even matter anymore.

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That was the show. That's the show. Oh, God. Someone at fucking Christine Chovic's brothers used to

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tell people that they were related to the Fairbanks. And the pick, this isn't like,

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that's not a funny episode, you know? There's little to no humor. In fact, none of the subject matter is funny.

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Sorry, I just had some of that "boss" just...

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Oh, this is horrible. I should do it completely, different take that doesn't have a necessary

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laughter and I'm not... I think this is gonna be it. Good God. Oh, there's no recovery. I just got to

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get back, I just got to keep talking. This is why we don't do live shows anymore. Okay, let me

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compose myself here. Three days later? If I start thinking about it, I'm gonna start laughing and

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this is already just awful. So a great deal of my theory on Christine Chovic's life being erased,

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her life being repressed, comes to the fact that her family had money and under the belief,

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under the assumption that they were related the Chovic's to the Fairbanks or the Pickbirds, obviously,

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there would be a great deal of money. And I do believe on episode one, it's a reference to that

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family, the Fairbanks, having not as much power in the 70s as they would have in the 30s and 40s,

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but still having enough money. Regardless of the fact, Christine Chovic came from okay money. It's

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not like they were dirt poor, but they certainly were not related to the Fairbanks. So we've got to wipe

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the slate completely clean with that. How do I know that Christine Chovic wasn't related to these

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people? Well, here's why we're doing this. Got a little bit of information, bear with me,

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might get a little tangled here, but I'm going to inform you of what I have learned. And this is

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being recorded after part one and two. I continued researching. There were so many questions,

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if you've listened to those episodes that I ask. I don't have answers to. It's a lot of struggle,

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it's a lot of theory, it's a lot of speculation. So I've continued just trying to dig and find out

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more and more progressively about this because I care about the idea. I've sunk my interest into it

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and hey, we're here, but I really, really don't think it's fair, not including this, not coming back and

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correcting myself and giving this information, especially if you were interested in it. So here we go.

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The Chovics are not related to the Fairbanks. Here's how. Went back, checked some genealogy records,

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looked up names, looked up date of births, tried to connect these families. This is what I've got.

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John Bailey Fairbank had a Liza Bailey Fairbank who had Ami Fairbank, who had George Lorenzo Fairbank,

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who had Vern Anita Fairbank, who married Steven Lewis Chubbick, who had George Fairbanks Chubbick

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in 1918. Now here's where things get interesting. John Bailey Fairbank, a Liza Fairbank, Ami Fairbank,

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George Lorenzo Fairbank, George Lorenzo had a daughter, Vern Anita Fairbank. She married

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Steven Lewis Chubbick. Dig following? Their kid is George Fairbanks Chubbick. He was born in 1918.

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Now in 1918, Douglas Fairbanks was an actor known as the King of Hollywood, one of the most successful

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silent film actors of the time period. One of the many people who, when the Tonkeys came forward,

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just kind of went out of style, which makes you wonder how fucking goofy this guy's voice must

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have been that he just couldn't carry over. My name is Douglas Fairbanks and I'm here to be in your

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movie. That's what I assume. But there's a big difference here. Fairbank Fairbanks Fairbanks Fairbanks

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Fairbanks. Why am I talking about Douglas Fairbanks? Because this family, Christine Chubbick's

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father's family, are the Fairbanks. In 1918, this dude's middle name was changed to Fairbanks. Why?

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Because Douglas Fairbanks was an incredibly successful actor at the time. Even to this day,

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people are naming their kids after a game of thrown characters. I have a friend whose child's name

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Anakin, kids like, "God, Jesus, like 17, 18, maybe older now. I don't keep a firm grasp of time."

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So my point here is it's not incredibly uncommon to run across people named after very successful

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people. All you had to do was add an "S." You're not even really lying about your name here.

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But wait! There's more. George Fairbanks Chubbick married Margaratha Augustus Davis,

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who had Timothy Fairbanks Chubbick, Christine Chubbick, and Gregory Allen. Now, I don't know for sure

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if George Fairbanks Chubbick is Gregory Allen's father, but Christine and Timothy definitely are his kids.

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Every article, everything you can find, Christine's mother is always referred to as Pag. She's

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referred to as Pag in both of the movies, but her real name is quite beautiful Margaratha Augusta

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Davis. Now, her parents, because there's more to this. We got to look at the Pickford side of

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things. The Chubbicks aren't related to the Fairbanks, but Mary Pickford, on the other hand,

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she had two adopted children. So going back, we just don't want to look at the Fairbanks. Let's

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try and account for absolutely everyone here and see if there is any certainty to relation.

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Margaratha Augustus Davis, her parents, William H. Davis, Anora R. Pindegras Davis,

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it can't connect. Douglas Fairbanks married Ann Beth Sully, who had Douglas Fairbanks Jr.,

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who married Mary Lee Epling Hartford, who had three daughters, Melissa, who had Crystal Joseph

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and Richard, Daphne, who had Dominic Nicholas and David, Victoria, who had Elizabeth and Christopher.

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None of these people, including great grandchildren, can be tracked to being related to the Chubbicks in

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any form. Mary Pickford was married to Douglas Fairbanks, but they had no children. Mary Pickford,

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whose real name was Gladys Maria Smith, married Charles Buddy Rogers, and they adopted Ronald,

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who had children named Jamie and Tommy, and they also adopted a daughter named Roxanne, who had

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children named Christine and Dana Marie. Again, there is no established connection to the Fairbanks

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of the Leicester, Ohio area, and that's the origin, that's where George Fairbanks' Chubbick came from.

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So on both sides of these people's families, Mary Pickford and Douglas Fairbanks,

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there is no connection to the Chubbicks. None. What so ever? So that takes us back to the repression,

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and the just absolute destruction of who Christine Chubbick was, her work, her legacy,

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any idea of her person that's left in the anals of history. Obviously,

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isn't some super-rich Hollywood royalty relative, so all we have now is the money her family had.

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They did hit the station with a juncture. The station owner Bob Nelson wanted to sell the tape.

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He's made out to be some sort of saintly guy now that has kept it locked up for years and won't

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let anyone see it, but that's not quite entirely true when it comes to what you can find historically.

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He was attempting to sell the tape. Got hit with a junction by Christine Chubbick's family.

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It got dropped and now it's been, you know, nobody needs to see it. I'd like to remind you with part one

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and part two. The point of discussing Christine is never the end of the story and it certainly is

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not the point of seeing the tape. That's not what anyone should see, but it shouldn't be destroyed.

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It shouldn't be lost. It is her last piece of work, but with her last piece of work, where's

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everything else? Where's anything else she stood for? Why is all of this just completely gone?

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And I understand, not everything was taped. And back then, you didn't have DVRs. You couldn't just

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record it. You couldn't just keep it forever. It wasn't some file that you could transfer from

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place to place to place, but I find it so strange. I find it so odd that all of Christine Chubbick

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is just gone. It's erased from this world outside, aside from her death and the exploitation and

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sensationalizing of said death. It's a mystery where the person went off to. But we can really be

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assured the Fairbanks were pickfords had nothing to do with it. More than anything, it's Robert

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Nelson, Bob Nelson who owned WXLTTV. They repressed Christine Chubbick. They erased her life,

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but it's so funny, it's so strange. The only success the station ever had was because of her death

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and the sensationalizing of it. Though people will only find these episodes and listen to it by looking

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up her death because there's just nothing else you can find. So I came back, dotted my eyes,

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and I crossed my teeth. I'll say it for a third time. I just think it's unfair to do this whole thing

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and to find misinformation and not come back and correct it and not come back and

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let you that listen and enjoy this and comment and care about it. I don't think it's fair to lie.

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But unfortunately this really doesn't add anything and it doesn't help with anything because it

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just takes us back to square one. There is nothing, there is obvious repression, there's obvious

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imparism and on someone's part that Christine has been erased aside from the ending of her story.

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But at least we know now we're to point that finger at and we're to have some blame laid upon

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not that it really matters at this point or we'll do anything. For now this closes the death by

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DVD file on Christine Chubbick. Definitely something will come back to someday, the same with Patty

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Hurst. Nothing's ever finished, nothing's ever over. Until next time, the Astray's full and the

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bottle is empty. Rest in peace Christine Chubbick.

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