Unknown: All the songs that we grew up with that that have that
staying power were all imperfect songs. Oh, sure, you know what I
mean.
I brought it up many times before on on the podcast, but
you know you you listened to what I thought was a great
record back in the 60s, "Glad All Over" by Dave Clark Five. I
mean, it wasn't perfect, but man, it had feel. It had life to
it.
Imperfectly perfect. Yeah, you know.
That's what we need to get back to. I think.
Yeah. What are your thoughts on the whole AI thing that are
happening? I mean, it helps me write emails.
Welcome to a podcast about music and entertainment. Before it all
goes down the disposal, this is Circling the Drain.
Hey, welcome back to Circling the Drain. Of course, you know
me, Johnny Bozeman, or Johnny B, as people know me, right over
there, Jay Harper, who's the real star of the show.
Yes, it's finally. I'm glad you finally have come to that
realization, Johnny. Will it? You know, it only took us what
almost 50 episodes. Yeah,
it did. But you know, I mean, when they ask you to do an
interview, you told me I was the star of the show. Oh yes, yeah.
All right. Yes, James Patrick is mr.
McCarthy, really runs the show.
Yes, he is, and he is the true star of the show. Button Busher,
glorified Button Busher. More than that, he keeps us in line,
and he's the smartest one of the three. Yeah, and God help us
all. I know
that's a scary thought. It
is, isn't it? Well,
I tell you, some smart guys too. I got to see these guys, not in
concert, but actually at a house. There was a house party,
and these guys are always there. And I've just always been
impressed with their music. Love their music, and I've always
wanted to get them on. And finally, thanks to my wife, we
got you guys on.
Yeah, I'm
talking about Jesse and Noah, and this is their latest album,
the Sunshine Shop. There you go. Yeah, great to have you guys on
board with us.
Thanks for having us.
And of course, their last name is Bellamy. We have to, we have
to let that be known,
right? And we'll talk about that a little bit.
Oh yeah, we because we're not going to sit and talk about
their, you know, dad more than we are them,
of course not.
We want to find out all about them because you guys originally
were born in in Florida, correct?
We grew up on a cattle
ranch.
On a well, not a farm. Well, at a hospital, but yeah, but near a
cattle a cattle ranch at a hospital. Yeah, and yeah, we
grew up on a piece of property that's been in the family for
for a few generations, and you know our dad and uncle were
always kind of touring, so we grew up you know mostly around
our grandparents, yeah, and and kind of kind of a similar way to
you know the way they had grown up, you know, would guess.
Well, maybe a few
more luxuries, but
yeah. Well, it's funny because when I tell people that you guys
grew up on a cattle ranch, so they always say Florida, and I'm
thinking, yeah, Florida actually, it's not all beaches,
you know. I mean, Florida. I have to point out this. I have
to point this out all the time. Florida originated the cattle
industry in the United States because the Spanish brought
cattle over from Spain, and that's those were the first
cattle in the United States
500 years ago, more than 500.
Exactly, they were first cowboys, really.
Yeah,
which shocks folks. You know, they didn't all come from Texas.
So your your so your dad actually lived in L.A. at one
time, didn't he? And lived out in California. Yeah, they
did. They lived in L.A. for for a little while, like late late
70s. You know, they of course grew up in the same the the same
ranch that we grew up on, and they headed out to L.A. mid '70s
and cut a little record called "Let Your Love Flow" and did all
of that. Yeah, I think some of them may have heard of that.
Yeah, maybe. Yeah,
1975,
76. I'm sure they were. I'm sure they were recorded it in 75. But
they they're celebrating the 50th. They just did the 50th
anniversary at the Ryman this what about what three weeks ago
yeah it was
very recent
and so they you know went through the whole LA thing for a
few years and then ended up coming back to to Florida when
we were younger we we we did have a place up here we had a
place off of Whitebridge Road condo over there, so so we grew
up coming to Nashville a lot as well.
Yeah, so it wasn't much of a culture shock to move up here.
No, I mean not not back then. Yeah, yeah. Well, the cultural
shock just came eventually, like over the
yeah over
the course of the years, yeah,
especially right now with every. Way everything's changing, but
how did you guys decide to? What brought you together musically?
We're brothers. Well, that would work. And you, and you, and you
guys. It's
not just you, but you also have. Do you not have three other
brothers? We do have three other brothers. Yeah,
yeah.
So you could have a whole band.
We could have whole band. They they we're the only two that
sort of play in public for for some reason. Everybody everybody
plays. Everybody writes. But and everybody's sort of you know in
in the in the arts world. Our youngest brother's into film and
and that sort of thing. Yeah. Um. But yeah, we're the we're
the two that sort of pursue it, and you know have gone to the
trouble of making a record.
Well, Jesse, I mean, has this always just kind of been
expected of family members, at least some of them, to to follow
the route of of your dad and uncle David and Howard the
Bellamy brothers. Yeah,
I mean, I I guess so. I mean, it seems it seems that that it
happens a lot in this industry and every other industry. It
seems it seems pretty common, you know.
So, I mean, did you ever feel like you were pressured into it
or anything? It was expected in one way or another, or it's just
something you were attracted to, and it's just in the blood, and
you love to do it. And yeah, just
I just like to sing, like to write songs, like play music.
All right, I mean, so
you two, I mean, if you've determined that you were going
to kind of be a brother act at a younger age, or did you kind of
come together later, Noah?
Well, we when we started out playing in bands, you know,
playing kind of in you know like you do when you're a teenager
playing in sort of garage bands with your friends, and so we
started out in more thinking of ourselves more and like you know
we were going to be a band of like four or five people, and
but you know we always got kind of whittled down to just the two
of
us. Yeah. So I mean, do you play? Obviously, you brought
your guitars. We hope to hear from you here in a little bit.
But I mean, have you always played guitar? You got other
instruments in your repertoire?
Oh, I play. I started out on piano and then went to
saxophone.
Oh wow!
And then guitar and then then kind of the other string
instruments. I play some mandolin and bass and
okay. Heck, you don't need a whole band. You got you. No, I
got
well. Yeah, most of our yeah most of our kind of early
recordings. It was it was mostly
yeah we've done mostly Noah playing some stuff in the past.
This album is all you know. This album we did pretty much live
with our with our regular band, but we've done some stuff in the
past where I did a lot of overdubbing and you know it was
just me and a drummer or
yeah, so kind of Paul McCartney esque, yeah, Prince like, yeah,
doing all the all the instruments. Who's
your go to here in town for like instrumentation and recording?
Just our well, our our band that that we play live with. Our our
drummer is also our roommate, so he's makes it weird if we don't
record with them. So the three of us are kind of always
together. I mean, our and our bass player, but practically,
yeah, he's over there every night anyway. So we're we've
just kind of had this core band together for the last few years,
and really kind of kind of you know developed and and sort of
wrote the songs and for you know because we were just familiar
with the way everybody plays and and then we brought in Mike
Cluster from the band Smash Mouth to play keyboards and he
had played on our on a previous EP that we did so we got to got
to know him through that and then Zach Cassick in
Hendersonville at Wildfeather Recording is is where we did the
the record, and you know he we in the past we've always sort of
guerrilla recorded where we would be at one studio and then
another and then we'd take home stuff and do it in a closet and
you know piece it together. This this was a this process was kind
of what we've been trying to get to, where we could just go in
and cut live with our with our band.
When do you know you have it right? When it's on the vinyl.
Do you hear the vinyl answer? Do you still hear the vinyl on the
product and go, oh man, we should have just kicked that one
up a little bit more. Not,
you know, not so much on this project. There was one one
track I told a lie that we recorded.
We did record that one twice. We did we did
record it twice. I mean, we we we had a version of it that we
were pretty happy with, but then we we started playing it live.
And it kind of became it became something else. So we had to go
back and we're gonna
re-record re-record it from the ground up. Well, it seems like
songs do take a new life sometimes when they when you
perform them. Yeah, that's the thing.
We've got so many. See, even and we're gonna do we're gonna start
a new project here. Maybe as soon as next week. We'll start
rehearsing, and there's a lot of songs that were on previous
projects that we just didn't have the the right recording,
you know, of and and which I'm tempted to try and do a live
album at some point to maybe sort of up you know update some
of the songs that got got missed on on previous projects that
that need a a new life, but yeah, it happens.
So when you guys write, I mean, who who is more of the
wordsmith? Who is more of the melody? Where is it? Both of
you? We yeah, we both do both. So yeah, both do both. Yeah,
I mean, I guess it's you know it's assumed because I generally
sing lead that I'm writing more lyrics, but that's not all. It's
not always the case. Right. We we kind of have a tendency to
sort of sort of pick the best out of our sort of demos between
the two of us, and then sort of bounce those back and forth, and
and then start playing them with the band, and
yeah,
and I mean that's where we're at right now, where we we've just
compiled a folder of like 50 songs, and we're going to try
and go in and maybe cut four at a time, and so we're and one of
them has to be a Christmas song because we need to get that
done.
So it's always funny, but Christmas in August. Oh, and
Christmas
songs because it's not just a Christmas song. There has to be
a Christmas video. Oh, of course. And then there has to be
a Christmas show. Yes. And so it's like once you start the
process, it's okay. Put the
winter coat on again. Yeah, I know it's 90 degrees outside,
but the real feel temperature is 115. Yeah, yeah, get you in the
Christmas spirit. Well, you know, I was
at MCA when George Strait cut one of his Christmas albums and
at Soundstage, and you know, they turned all of they put
decorations all over the studio, and they turn the AC down to
about 50. Oh, really? There you go. That'll
get you in the mood. Trying to
get everybody in the mood, Jesse. I mean, have you? I mean,
have you always kind of had the writing bug, both of you? I
mean, even as as young guys.
Yeah, I mean, we both both took an interest in it pretty pretty
early on. I mean, mainly like like you know, like Noah was
saying earlier, we would play kind of in in garage bands, just
kind of growing up, and we mainly just started feeling like
we needed material for for those bands. So we we started out by
by writing for yeah for those bands because we weren't we
weren't into you know learning a bunch of covers and all that. We
wanted to go and be
your own, yeah, your own style. You know, I got to admit, I
mean, again, we're here to talk about you, but it's you know
we'd be remiss not to mention, I mean, you know, your dad, David
Bellamy, one of the most brilliant, clever songwriters.
Oh yeah, you know, seeing things from a real quirky eye and
stuff. I mean, did you kind of did he give you tips and then I
mean, or did you just kind of come about the songwriting by
osmosis? I mean, you certainly had somebody to you certainly
had somebody to look up to in terms of songwriting because
your dad's brilliant songwriter.
Yeah, for sure, and yeah, and he he was just inducted into the
Nashville Songwriters Hall of Fame just a couple of years ago
too. By the way, yeah, I mean, and I think yeah, I think that's
one thing about about his songs too is he he normally wrote for
them as an act. I mean, he he did have some outside cuts as
well, but but I think that's that's kind of where we we sort
of maybe got that that attitude from. You know, he he was always
writing for them as an act and wasn't wasn't necessarily doing
the the pub co kind of yeah kind of world as much, or well, I
guess they didn't didn't have to, you know. Yeah, if you've
already got the artist cutting the song, but right, right. Were
some of his
where his was his wordsmithing an influence on you, or did you
were you were kind of reading poetry or other bands? That kind
of what kind of wordsmithing influences did you have? Yeah, I
mean,
well, all all over the place. I mean, yeah. I mean, you know,
growing up listening to a lot of '60s rock, all of the the sort
of main '60s Dylan and Van Morrison, Neil Young, Beatles,
Paul Simon,
all oh yeah, all of those. But then I really like. Country
songwriters too. I mean, maybe maybe the best people like Bob
McDill and
yeah, the guys that could tell a story. Yeah,
yeah. Just I love Don Williams and that era of of country and
that that era of country songwriting.
Well, in fact, you have a T-shirt in one of your photos
that I would love to have. Too dumb for New York City, too ugly
for L.A. Which always I love that song title because I don't
know about you, but I've felt that way a few times. I feel
like when I've gone to New York while I'm here. Yeah, exactly.
One thing I love about this album too is this old cowboys
that you do with Riders in the Sky? How'd that all come about?
Well, we cut the track, and we were we were listening back, and
we was like, "Well, it'd be great to have some just
traditional cowboy harmonies on this. And and then from there,
the idea was to get "Riders in the Sky, and then we ran into
them, you know, by chance, about a month later. Oh wow! Yeah, and
asked Ranger Doug, and and they came and and did it, and they
you know they just kind of came in and and did their thing. You
didn't, you know, it was it was pretty pretty obvious they were
the they're the custodians of that. Boy, they really are.
They really are very interesting guys too. Yeah, they're so
cool. Oh, they aren't up and and did their radio show in
Cleveland, and they're just they just go so deep into that that
cowboy genre, which you know we know some kind of surface level
stuff, but I mean, they know every you know. Yeah, they're
deep. They're deep. Yeah, Ranger
Doug is a real historian of that stuff, and you know those guys
have been around for you know almost 50 years. I mean, it's
pretty incredible the longevity those fellows have had,
and they also have great harmonies too. Man, gosh,
they're so good. But you guys are as well. Plus, you have Tess
Frizell on here too, which she is really good.
Yeah, she's amazing. Yeah, we met her doing the Next
Generation of Country show during CMA Fest that happens
every year, and met her a few years ago. We we had the we had
had the song for a while and didn't and knew it was a you
know supposed to be a duet. We just didn't didn't have the
hadn't run into the right artist. And then when we met
her, it was like, well, oh yeah, that makes sense because because
of her you know because of her lineage being duets as well.
Yeah, Shelly had done all those. Shelly West had done, of course,
all the stuff with David Frizell and then Dotty West with with
Kenny Rogers, of course. Yeah,
I always, you know, I I always love to champion people that
have come from you know country legends, country artists,
because a lot of these people are so talented, like Tess, you
guys. We just had David Allen Coe's two daughters on, who are
also, I think, really good.
Tanya and Shelly, yeah.
And so I really loved a champion because too many times I've
heard Shooter Jennings. I think ran into this because I I got
into a very very big argument with somebody that you know he's
not enough like Waylon. I'm thinking he's his own man. Come
on, you know he's he's a great artist. Give him a chance. You
know, quit trying to to basically compare him to his
father because they're two different artists.
Oh, and not not only an artist. I mean, a producer and
songwriter. Yeah, great producer runs the gamut of of of yeah. I
mean, I guess you know you you grow up around around it, and
you see all the all of the different sort of pieces of it.
Yeah, maybe maybe a little bit better.
Yeah,
and and can kind of dabble in in you know in more areas.
Have you guys run into that at all? Where people will try to
compare you to your dad and and and your uncle?
I mean, not it's you know never in a
not in a negative way,
super negative way, or yeah, that she wouldn't just blow off
anyway. Yeah,
yeah, some redneck, you know. Come on, y'all! New old hippie.
Yeah, yeah. Well, we will. I mean, we'll do a few. You know,
we'll do a few.
We'll do a few of their other songs now. You know, for for a
long time we didn't, but but we'll do a few of their songs
now. But my, I mean, my argument is is that they they play every
weekend. They're out there doing it. Go see them.
Yeah, go see them. Yeah, come hear our stuff. Come here. Yeah,
we get to play like
once a month, and and I want to songs I wrote. Yeah,
I mean Bellamy Brothers, but you know, come on, you want to see
the Bellamy of the other brothers? Yeah, there you go.
Yeah, yeah, but have you found that that you know Bellamy last
name is it been positive, negative, a little bit above? I
mean, yeah, I'm sure
it's a. I mean, I'm sure it's a little little of both. Yeah, you
know, it's not. Again, it's not that we do anything that's like
drastically different than than what they what what they do and
there are a lot of things that are very similar. I mean just
just the fact that it is sibling harmony based music, which which
is a rare thing on its own at this you know at this point
really. I mean even even the you know the bigger duos in in
country for you know the last what 20 years or whatever, none
of them really been siblings so much, you know.
Yeah,
it's sort of sort of sort of less less common, so
it's much tougher to get a duo successful. I would say,
you know, I mean, it used to be that that everybody had their
kind of roster, and there was a duo on every roster, as far as
the you know the major labels and all that goes. So it used to
be you know you just had to have you know one of each on each
label.
Well, Florida Georgia line is coming back together, so there's
hope.
Oh yeah, cool.
So there you go, cool. What is what is something? I didn't know
they went away.
Well, I think the the Belling Brothers are the only duo that's
never broken up. I believe. Oh, really? You're right. Them and
them and Sparks, I guess. Yeah.
What's the one thing you guys can absolutely not agree on?
Speaking, not that I want to break in. Boy, I listen
to him. He's already trying to drive a wedge in there. Plenty,
but boy, they're brothers. Come on, it's got to be something.
Let's stir the pot. Well, you you guys don't get into those
because I always heard horror stories about Eddie and Alex Van
Halen. Oh, they were notorious. Oh, yeah, they were. I mean,
Sammy Hagar told stories about them. You know, getting into
physical fights in the studio. I can't picture you guys doing
that. It
hasn't happened in a long time. But if it did, who would win?
Well, I mean, it's great. Sounds like
Noah has plays more instruments, so he's got more stuff to throw.
Yeah, that's right. Exactly. To throw at Jesse. That's
right. Yeah, you've not lived till you had a keyboard thrown
at you, drumsticks, a bassboard thrown at me,
a fully weighted 88 key piano. Those things are freaking heavy,
man. Yes, they are.
Well, you guys did bring your guitars in. Did you want to play
us a tune? Sure. While you're here.
Yeah, we didn't really. Yeah,
if you've got room here, if you got room, I mean, real tight. I
know it's really
tight in here, and nobody's really brought in their
instruments before, so we're no. We've done this
before, though. Cool. Will this cost us,
Jim? No.
Well,
some royalty.
Yes. I'm sorry, we're cheap operation here.
Oh, we just do like 15 seconds. All we can afford you
is some homemade pickles. My wife made for you guys.
Amazing. That's yes, and
and T-shirts. We got T-shirts. Oh,
how about that? I'm glad you. I bet you're going. Boy, I'm glad
we came now.
Oh, we're gonna do line. There we go. Yeah, let's do that. All
right, line of rose. It's kind of a murder ballad, but not
really. Well, I
love those. Those are my favorite ones.
When I first met my wife, thought she'd love me my whole
life. She called herself the Carolina Rose. Lionel Rose. lila
rose. She called herself a Carolina rose. One day she
walked down the path, and as she threw her red hair back in her
teeth, she held a Carolina rose. Lina rose. lila rose. In a
teeth, she held a Carolina rose. With a Bible and a gun, she
said, "We're gonna have some fun, and the blossoms turn to
thorns of lighter rose. Lighter rose, lighter rose. The blossoms
turn to thorns of lighter rose. She says it says thou shalt not
kill, but I believe I will test the Lord and risk my very soul.
'Cause I'm light of rose, light a rose. I'll test the Lord and
risk my very soul. Heard a cackle and a click. Then I
learned real quick she's the one in chargeless line of rose. Line
of rose, line of rose. She's the one in chargeless line of rose.
Oh yeah!
Very nice.
That's how you write a song, indeed. Yeah, love the
harmonies. I did too. And
plus, I love Noah's picking. Yeah, the picking.
I mean, the arrangement for the the the picking, I mean, did you
come up with that yourself, or I mean, Jesse coming to you? I
mean, where does that emanate from? Because that's very cool.
Well,
that version was different. That version, yeah, it's always
different. Yeah, I got you. I totally lost my place right in
the middle of that second song until we get back to where we're
going.
But we we cut that song so that song's all in the new album.
Right,
I see that.
And but we had had recorded it on a previous album as a
bluegrass song, where we had Lily Mae and Scarlett Rishi come
in and play, you know, fiddle and mandolin on it, but we had
been playing with our band for so long, doing more of a rock
version that we ended up recording that for the album.
Oh, that's outstanding!
That's a great story song too, which I'm a big fan of.
Yeah, the Bob McDill influence. Yeah, yeah, story songs.
Yeah, well, it kind of reminded me too a little bit of a Steve
Earle story song, you know.
Yeah, it's got a little bit of that. I mean, I started with
that. That was inspired by an old song called "Rain and Snow,
you know, which you know I took it in a different direction than
that, but you know, which is an old public domain bluegrass
song, and it's been, you know, the Grateful Dead did a version
of it. There's a million versions of it out there, but
but it started with you know using that as the basis for it
and jumping off from there.
Very cool, and you guys sound so good together. I mean, no wonder
you guys got together, man. Don't ever break up.
What was the most "this can't be happening" moment you've ever
experienced in this life of yours?
Nothing. Probably the time you got hit
by a horse on Broadway. Oh wow!
How the yeah, you got to tell us that story.
Hit by a horse. They don't have horses down there anymore. Oh,
do they? I thought they still had. Oh, do they still have? It
wasn't like a horse drawn. Yeah, well, horse drawn. It was a
horse
drawn. It wasn't. Yeah, we weren't quite to the pedal
tavern. This is the previous era. This is a previous. It was
just a.
It was just a buggy tavern at that point, yeah, with Woo
girls, yeah. Because
we did used to have more horses, like yeah, this was this
was years back. We were coming off a 12th and turning onto
Broadway, and the runaway horse is like heading right towards
us. Oh my goodness! With the with the the the cart attached,
the cart detached. I had. An old Dodge Durango at the time.
That's what we were driving in it. Yeah, the car. The driver
had fallen off, like the hill. Oh
my gosh! And
then there were still two people on it when it hit our car. And
then the the yeah the cart detached on the car, and then
the horse ran ran down to Demumbrian where somebody
eventually caught up with it. But yeah.
Now when you guys are in the studio, are you are you using
the technology, like making sure you you land on the grid with
the Pro Tools and all that stuff, and using a click, or is
it like the old school where it's the band on the floor? You
got visual cues and feel. Yeah, it's
it's we go in and track with with the band. Yeah, and I mean
we'll use a click a lot of the time, but there's some. You
know, sometimes you have a song that that it doesn't really work
for. So you know, we'll use a click, but we don't. We're yeah,
we're not into like grid locking the whole thing. We we've done
that before. We've done that before. Yeah, in some things,
but I think I like it better this way. It's a little more. It
was like we did it before on on a project, and it was like,
well, I sang all these parts behind the beat for a reason,
and we just moved them to like where I sang them. We perfected
it
because that's the thing is like with you know combating the AI
uprising of all the people that are now songwriters, and I was-I
guess some guy was wearing a shirt the other day. I gotta
look it up, but he put-he spelled out Suno, and it was
like songwriters, something like basically throwing shade on
people who use Suno. In that case, my my hunch is that the
live music experience is going to become so much more
important, you know, especially in the studio with the human
feel.
I would, I would think, but I mean, it's so it's more
important for me as an artist to do it that way, whether or not
the audience is along. We'll, you know, we'll we'll see
because it feels like that, you know, maybe younger people that
that haven't grown up with the difference. It it may not.
I don't know, man. I mean, it's like all the all the songs that
we grew up with that that have that staying power were all
imperfect songs.
Oh, sure. You know
what I mean?
I brought it up many times before on on the podcast, but
you know, you you listen to what I thought was a great record
back in the 60s, "Glad All Over by Dave Clark Five. I mean, it
wasn't perfect, but man, it had feel. It had life to it.
Imperfectly perfect. Yeah, yeah.
That's what we need to get back to. I think.
Yeah. What are your thoughts on the whole AI thing that are
happening?
I mean, it helps me write emails.
It does. It's a good tool, but when it comes to creativity,
it's like
well, it bothers me because Jay, you know, Jay sends me. He said,
"Man, listen to this new artist I just heard, and he sends me
this email. I'm going, "Yeah, let's get this guy on, and then
he comes back. He goes, "It's all AI. It doesn't even exist.
Yeah, this
was about a year ago. Yeah, I mean, it just sounded wonderful.
It did. Yeah, fooled me, man. It fooled me as well. And then
it pissed me off. Yeah, I know. Yeah, I kind of felt the same
way. Yeah.
So for your live performing, I mean, do you find that you do
you have a preference? I mean, are you are you like studio
rats, and you really love to get in there and tinker, or do you
really just want to get out and perform for people live? I mean,
do you have a preference?
Yeah, I mean, well, the we're trying to trying to marry the
two where they kind of work together, you know, where you
where you you go out and play live with the band, so you can
develop the songs where they need to go, and then get back
into the
yeah the
studio. And it's you know supposed to all
yeah you can get sick of one or the other. So playing live is
like the laboratory in a way. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's
like the the get out there and and road test everything and and
then go into the studio. You know, hopefully, if you have
that, sometimes there's not that luxury. There's not enough dates
booked. You know, before a session to get stuff locked in.
So you know, we just it's just easier to to rehearse it. But
but yeah, it helps. It helps going out and playing stuff for
and just to keep a you know keep a band together, I mean because
we we've really you know played with the same band and really
just got a really unique and cool situation that's pretty
much perfect for what we do, and we just want to keep that going.
So there's the the aspect of playing live, just you know, in
order to just be able to keep a band together in order to go
into the studio with, in order to make the record, in order to
go out and tour for the record, and so on and so on.
So, you know, we talk a lot here on this podcast about radio. I
mean, we both are radio guys, right? And Jim as well. Yeah.
You know, the state. Radio these days. I mean, it's you know big
discussion about music radio in particular. Yeah,
I miss it
circling the drain with music radio. I mean, yeah,
I mean, as an
artist, I mean, are you finding that it is more and more or less
and less important to get on radio? I mean, how does that
affect what you guys are trying to do
well. It's like if you're promoting in one area, then you
don't necessarily have the funds to promote. And you know, if you
if you're working a if you're working a single through social
media, then then that's going to take away from the funds you
have to put towards a radio campaign. And so it's it's kind
of hard to do both, and you make make choices each each single.
You know, we're gonna do. We've got a video for the the title
track, the Sunshine Shop, and then you know we're wonder we're
you know thinking toying with the idea of maybe you know
trying to work radio a little bit more on this time around,
whereas we didn't on the previous singles because we were
again putting all the energy and
yeah,
it's. I mean, it's you know, it's very much a us doing
everything,
right? Right. I mean, so you know who plays videos these
days? Well,
YouTube. Okay, I got you. But but as
far as like channels and things, yeah. Well,
A C N A C N played the track with with Tess. Yeah, and and
then I think they're going to take a look at the at the next
one that comes out and and see if that fits their their format.
It's you know it's mainly that with our our YouTube following,
it's it's mainly we produce the videos for our our own YouTube
channel in order to get
the
the songs out there, and we we we tend to do better at YouTube
than than even Spotify or some of the other streaming. So so
we've we've made a conscious decision to you know to focus on
on having a video for each single. I think we've done like
five,
yeah.
This with this record, but we're but we're also doing the very
simply with Nita. That does she shoots everything with iPhone
and
yeah,
you know we're just trespassing on the parking lot of abandoned
buildings and shooting covers. Obviously, a damn good cover.
Yeah, very cool. And Nita shot that as well. Yeah,
what's a great album? Plus, it to me, it's just like a
throwback to when it was fun listening to music, you know,
and you loved getting the cover and and looking it over. And I
miss those days. Yeah, everybody's downloading now, and
I'm still an old. People make fun of me because I still want
vinyl. I still, you know, I'll still get a CD. Yeah, I saw
a vinyl on my kitchen table the other day. My kids are still
ordering it.
Really, I don't
know if they're listening to it, but they're ordering it.
Just looking at it, maybe. Yeah. Now some
people are. Yeah, I mean, there's been plenty of people
that that have you know bought one at a show, saying, "Well, I
don't have a turntable, but you know, I want it as a you know
yeah memento and or you know or somebody's a couple of people
told me that they were going to go out and buy a turntable just
to listen to the record. So
well that we just sell
turntables at the shows, huh? Yeah, there you go. Yeah, I
think Jack White does
that, doesn't
it? Yeah, I think he does. Now, as as far as radio play, are you
having great luck with Americana, like a WMOT here, and
WMOT
played. So WMOT played. I told a lie, kind of even prior to the
album being released. WSM has played a couple of the tracks,
and it's just you know various various places around. Yeah, we
know people at in all of those those places, and and but you
know, go back away. Coming up with a promotion
strategy these days is so complicated compared to what it
once was. I mean, what you know, get on radio. That that was the
goal. Get on radio and
then do a television spot. Yeah, yeah,
you know, and go tour a little bit. Now it's like, all right,
like you were saying, okay, do we go video promotion? Do we go
record radio? Do we just do social media? Yeah, it's a yes.
You got to weave yes to you. Got to weave through all of
that, man. Yeah, and then and then you get to the point. Well,
I could have made five albums for what this cost. Yeah,
really. Well, I mean,
there's an element of doing it organically. I'm looking at your
Instagram right now. What's the strategy going into like a
social media that you're doing?
I have somebody doing it. There you go. That's a smart way.
Again, Nita, that Nita Nita, that's been shooting the videos
and shot the cover. She's been managing the social media here
for like the last couple of years, and really sort of helped
us sort of build it. And she's able to to just she's like a
band member at this point. She just hops in the van with us
when we're going on on a date, and you know the iPhone makes it
easy and not obtrusive. She can come in the studio and not. And
be stealthy and
yeah,
and because that was you know that was part of the even before
we cut the last EP, I was like, well, if we go in the studio, I
need somebody to be able to film it, and I generally just don't
like that. What is that? I generally want to be in the
studio so that nobody bothers me. What is that? Like a
typical approach to social media, a lot of people are
either for it or against it, and I see a lot of artists doing
this. One of them comes to mind is Ben Gallagher. He's
constantly putting like different scenarios. Cool. I
wrote a song with him.
Yeah, great, great dude, and he's a hell of a picker. But he
basically puts videos of himself. He plays the same song,
but in different scenarios. So he's kind of giving a sample of
the goods, if you will. What's I mean? What do musicians take on
that? You know, little small samples of the songs, putting
videos out there on Instagram, TikTok, and all that kind of
thing. Because I mean, when you guys play together just now,
that's mesmerizing. Absolutely. Oh,
it is.
Yeah. In
fact, that's when I first when I first saw these guys was in
Deborah Evans Price's helm. She she'd have these I guess picking
parties,
guitar pool kind of yeah. And
man, these guys. That's why I'm glad to get them in here today
because I've always wanted to talk to them, but I didn't want
to bother them at this gathering, but that was a great
place to watch you guys because it's so intimate and really
showed me how talented you both were, and I felt very blessed to
be there.
Yeah, I mean that's a it's a very blessed place to be.
It really can't believe Deborah's in the in the music
business. She's just she's one of the. In fact, we're going to
try to get her on the show. Oh,
that'd be yeah, because she.
I've known her for ever, and she is just one of the sweetest
people on this planet. She's the
best. She's she really,
and I've never met anybody that loves music as much as she does.
Oh, I know, I know. And the well, that that party. I mean,
we've been. I mean, I'm sure you have too. We've been going to
that party for years, and I just just remember we. That's where
we we met our drummer at that party one. Really? Yeah,
absolutely. Yeah,
cool. He looks like a rocker. Well, what we ought to do
because we talk about doing this podcast live. If she ever has
another one of those, I want to set up in that.
Yeah, do a live.
Yeah, because man, there's that'd be so cool. Yeah, because
there's so much talent at this at this party, and it's just
it's cool because it's laid back. Gary, your husband, makes
these great dishes. Yeah, the
gumbo.
Yeah, oh yeah.
Where's this?
Deborah Evans Price, she's um, gosh, she's been in the music
business for such a long time.
Journalist, been
yeah
writer for Billboard and other publications.
When and
when and where? Just tell me when. Yeah, have to be there.
Well, they live
in Nolensville, so well,
used to always be in connection with Vernell's birthday party.
Yeah, so it was it was always around like February, March, in
there, but they're always
fun.
Oh, yeah, so much fun.
In fact, I was nervous the first because she she goes on. Nobody
knows me for that. I but gutters
bring it anyway. But
yeah, I did. So we but we had a lot of fun. In fact, you guys
played with me on Copperhead Road, I think, and I did a John
Lennon song. I think you you got to hide your love away.
Okay, yeah,
yeah, you remember. You want to forget, don't you? Well, all
those
parties kind of you know when you do something every year or
something, they they start to run together and they they kind
of live in their own. Yeah, they do, don't they? It's like
Christmas. It kind of lives in its own space. Yeah, I always
remember what happened which year.
Yeah, I know.
So, are there artists out there, guys, that today that really
excite you? I mean, who do you guys listen to?
I think it doesn't. I still
no.
Hey, Megadeth stole our our our video location.
Dave Mustaine would probably beg to differ. I mean, he everyone
stole from him, according to him.
Well, we shot our video first, and but they got theirs out
quicker. There you go.
For what video and what? For I told a
lie.
Uh huh. Would you? Dave did.
Wow!
There we go.
Yeah, it was this. It's a skate park out behind. I don't know if
I should say where it's at. Dave might be listening. Let's call
the attorneys.
So, what artists are you kind of marinating in?
Charlie Rich. Yeah. Oh, yeah. The Silver Fox. Yeah. Yeah. We
recently
lost his son, Charlie Rich.
I just saw that this morning. I did too. I didn't know that.
Apparently, yeah, Charlie Rich Jr. passed away, which I never
met him, but I knew of him, and I knew he always played, and he
was a piano player as well, and and yeah, I I just saw that as
well.
Yeah,
but yeah, just a lot of old, you know, a lot of the old stuff
still. You're listening anything new? Dan Brady,
just
I don't know. I've I've been into some different kind of
singer songwriters lately.
I've listened to like every recorded version of the gospel
song farther along in the last like week, because we're gonna
we're gonna go to we're gonna go to Deborah. Do you know you know
Deborah Allen? Oh yeah, yeah. She's been on our podcast. She
has been on the podcast. Yeah, she's doing her gospel on this
Sunday. Yeah, so we yeah we're gonna go and then we were like
we just got to have a because it's Deborah anything can
happen. We just got to have a gospel song like you know ready
in the pocket. So I've listened to like every like every version
I could possibly find of of that one song in the last the last
week.
At Franklin Theater, man, that's a cool place.
Yeah,
it's a hard place to pack though. I guess depending on the
act.
Yeah, you know. Oh, is
it? It. I mean, well, a couple of the bands I saw there, the
Huey band is playing there again this fall, and they want to try
and pack it out two weeks ahead of time, and it's like, good
luck. Yeah, it's. I don't know. It's just something about it,
like during the week shows. I think. Yeah, I think you're
right. Midday weeks, midday, mid the week shows. What kind of
product you use in your hair, dude? You got you got a heck of
a head of hair. It's anything. It's
like a dry shampoo paste. I can't remember the name of it
right now, but it's a it's a dry shampoo technically, but it's
more like a pomade
pomade
paste.
That's what I use. Do you use any beard balm? Because you're
you're getting and your beard looks great. You're using.
You're getting jealous of the beard. I don't know. I can't get
competitive bearding there at all. Yeah,
it's it's the cheapest way to looks, Max.
Because I'm looking at some of these pictures. I'm looking at
your your piece that said shooting a photo shoot in your
40s was like doing a show photo shoot in your 40s, but I mean,
you guys look fantastic. You know, you got the sunglasses on.
I mean, you got the like. You could be a you could be an
ambassador for a cigar company, bearding products. Grew up in
Tampa.
Yeah, it's it's. I grew up in Tampa, I guess.
I don't know. Competitive bearding could be in your
future. You never know.
Well, you know when we did the so when we did the test video, I
was like, oh well, her grandmother did all the Kenny
Rogers duets. I should let it get a little longer for that,
and then I did, and then everybody liked it, so it stayed
it stayed a little longer.
Well, looks good on you, dude. I wish I get mine to do that.
I I can't get past the lips. Yeah, it's like I get like you.
You got to shave around. Yeah,
I do. As soon as
it starts going over the lip, you're like, oh, just it's just
driving me nuts. But then in mine is really coarse. But
you've got the part in the mustache. Oh yeah, it's freaking
spot on. Both
you guys, man, you look cool.
God, man, you look cool too, Johnny. Oh
yeah, thanks, man. I'm always
wearing collared shirts that have logos on them, so I'm about
as uncool as it gets.
Yeah. Well, see, I'm
shedding. For some reason, my beard's falling apart. Beard
bomb, buddy. Solve all those. I guess so. I guess that's what I
need. So, so you guys are are do you are you on the road a lot?
Are you are you
here and there, but not as you know not as much as as we we'd
like to be here. We're trying you know we're trying to get out
there a little bit more. Oh my God, we're going
to solve that right here. Awesome,
yeah. You know most of the most of the stuff we hit is sort of
stuff we can get to and from Nashville pretty quickly, which
is you know which is a good amount of places. But we're
trying to get out west maybe at the end of the year and supposed
to maybe go to Lake Chapala, Mexico. Oh
wow, we'll see if that
we'll see if that works out, but yeah,
very cool.
I think I think it'll be cool. I don't know. I've watched a bunch
of YouTube videos. Figure out where I'm going here.
So, do you have any place that you love playing that you look
forward to? Maybe we'll just take Nashville for instance. Is
there a place in Nashville you like playing better than
Brown's Diner, yeah.
Oh, Brown's Diner. Oh my gosh, I haven't been there in so long.
Oh, you should come next time
we play. I will. Yeah, I haven't been
there forever. Yeah, because I
love the burgers, man.
Yeah, they're still the same. You know, they they they they're
still the same. They got Vince Gill's seal of approval. Well,
in that case, I mean, come on.
Where are they now? Where's Brown's? I've never heard of it.
It is really. It's here that long. You haven't heard of
Brown's.
Yeah, it's right off 21st. It's in a. It's in a little white
building, isn't it? Was
it the original part's a train car, and that was that was the
original restaurant. It's been there like 100 years almost. How
the heck have I not heard of
it? Yeah, I know. 10 years. Yeah,
it's Nashville's old. It's like their the oldest beer license in
Nashville or something. Really? Yeah, it's been a bar for like
100 years.
Oh yeah, we got to go.
Yeah. Well, in fact, I've in fact one time they had a because
I never bet. I'm not a betting person, but they they were
betting on the Kentucky Derby and they asked me if I wanted
to, and I so I did. I picked the last horse nobody wanted. I won.
Oh wow! I won 200 bucks. Nice. Yeah, very nice. Always remember
that. Terry, the guy behind the bar. Terry still there? Terry's
still there. Terry's still there. I love him, man. You guys
like Waylon Jennings. You guys been
following the World Cup? Any big fans, soccer fans?
No, I'm completely oblivious to all that. Same here. I'm with
you. I'm I'm going to a soccer game, but I don't think it's
part of the World Cup. You're going to
see Liverpool
next.
Is it
next month or a couple weeks? Nashville up at Nashville
Yottas.
I'm going tonight, actually.
Cool. Yeah. This this is uh this is a couple weeks from now. My
my stepdad and my my youngest brother are coming up for it,
and I and so they're taking me along.
Yeah, did you guys play sports when you were kids? Athletic at
all?
Not not especially no well t ball. Not well.
I I feel your pain right there with you.
Roller hockey
in the 90s. I sold pot to the football players. All I did.
They really liked me. I played in some marching bands.
Yeah, eighth grade. What you played in marching bands? Yeah,
I played saxophone.
I played saxophone in the fourth grade. I told my mom I wanted to
play the drums, and she's like, "Ah, they're too loud. I like
the saxophone. Oh yeah, that makes sense. That sounds
pretty loud. Yeah, I know. Yeah, yeah, because
squeaky notes coming out of my room for six months, and yeah,
it lasted about six months. I'm like, dude, I am a drummer, and
she's like, oh, they're too loud. Drums are loud. They
finally they they acquiesced in 2011 no 20 when I was 11 years
old so I'm a I'm a drummer but I'm not a musician.
My parents bought me a drum set after because I I took up cornet
in fourth grade and dad said he wants to play drums yeah he
can't play cornet worth a damn do you remember anybody in like
elementary
school, nobody played guitar or bass in the band. No, except
when they got to like middle school and high school. Yeah,
you know.
Oh yeah,
didn't wanted to get too risque back in the 70s and 80s.
Well, back when I was playing music, I I actually played
behind a guy that he was a singer, and he happened to be
gay, so he was, and he wasn't. You know, the girls loved him,
but I thought, well, hell, I want to do that because I can
get the girls better because nobody's paying attention to me
back here. Don't you guys find that you wanted to be front men,
get the chance?
I've always been a fan.
Boy, this conversation just kind of came to a calm. Leave it to
me to do that. No wonder I got yanked off the radio. Family at
all got wives, girlfriends, anything like that? No, I've got
a
girlfriend.
Nice.
I've got a band. That's your wife.
That that's enough. It is. It's running a business is what
you're doing. I mean, that's a lot of people herding cats
is what I'm doing.
Wow.
Oh, right on.
Well, this is the album right here, and I want you guys to go
out and get it because these guys are great, and it's been a
pleasure to have you both on with
us. Yeah, absolutely, and it's cool that you've done the vinyl
and the you know the the whole package here. You think CDs
will ever make a comeback? There's some so you know the new
the new Wayland things issued on cassette tape, right? Yeah, it
is. Yeah, yeah.
It's not like the isn't that the worst possible medium that you
could put it out on. I know
it's it's really cool looking. I I really want one though. Like
like it's got like this blue label. Yeah, I want one for. I'm
looking forward to that,
and plus a good friend of mine, he Waylon cut "Born Too Late"
like years ago, and the guy that wrote that, Zach Van Arsdale,
has been begging them to put it out, and they never have. He's
finally getting it on this Diamonds album. Cool, awesome.
I'm looking forward to that. That's going to be a good album,
Mike. Cool.
Yeah, yeah. I really enjoyed the the last one. That was
oh, I did too.
Yeah, that was that was a trip. It was. Are
you guys really in tune with like the songwriter community
here?
I mean, I live on Music Row, so I run into like songwriters.
Yeah, but I don't. We we haven't done much last few years.
Haven't done much like co writing or anything like that
again, because we're just mainly kind of writing for
yourselves
for ourselves, but but yeah, I mean, I I enjoy sort of being
amongst all the all the writers down there and talking shop with
people that I run into.
On another podcast of mine, this is has something to do with
songwriting, I promise. We had George Burge on, and he was
talking about a story about. I guess he signed up for TikTok,
and one of the first things that he came across because he put
one of some one of his interests was country music. He came
across a troll, if you will, talking about how modern country
music is nothing but beer, beer, truck, truck, dirt, dirt. So
he's like, all right, and he wrote a song and actually
recorded it and tagged her in it. He says, I I put it out
there, and the next morning it had 3 million views. Wow! And
she actually cut, you know, got back to him. They says he says,
you know what? I put it out and I credited her as a as a co
writer on it. I'm like, that's cool, man. Only in Nashville on
that
app. Well, that's a great thing about Nashville is that it's
it's always had a good vibe about it as far as creativity
and
yeah community yeah that's that's the thing yeah I mean I
think that's the thing that that you probably miss in those other
music music hubs not that I mean I don't know that there are any
other I think this I mean Nashville everybody's kind of
kind of here now I don't New York
and LA are the only other two really those the only other
two and I don't know how much like organic scene there is you
know I mean not that there's organic scene here right well
Austin
Austin is kind of like the sister city to Nashville yeah
yeah
but it's been a few years since I've been to Austin. I'm sure
it's
yeah,
it's changed a lot. A lot
of data centers. Yeah, probably so. I just hope
Nashville doesn't lose that vibe. I hope it doesn't with
what's happening with it. Plus, I hated seeing like Sound Shop.
I was on the air one day and they were tearing down Sound
Shop. God, that broke my heart. Yeah,
yeah, we spent a lot of time in Sound Shop. Yeah, we recorded.
That was the first
after we moved to Nashville. That was the first real studio
we recorded in, and
it had such history. I mean, Paul McCartney wrote recorded
there in Alabama. I mean, so many people.
You had Brooks and Dunn, and let's put
up a and let's put up an East Berlin-looking condo. You need
to
you need to get like the National Historic Registry of
Places to get on these things. You know, for all these like
legendary studios.
It's like some some do and some don't. It's Ocean Way is
one of them, right?
Oceanway. Yeah, I mean it's well, it's still there. It's
affiliated with Belmont, I think. So it's kind of,
but I think it's a historic landmark. Yeah, I believe. I'm
not sure.
I mean, it should be if it isn't by now. No, they all
should be. You know, because even Porter Wagner's studio got
torn down, and I'm thinking, gosh, man, that there was so
much history. Yeah, the little corner
that I mean, I go to the the Well Coffee Shop on Misa Grove
every morning. That corner across from there was Ray
Stevens's office and studio forever.
Yeah,
yeah. I mean, we you know we live on Music Grove, so there's
a lot of yeah, a lot of stuff getting getting torn down. And
again, I mean, that's kind of the that was kind of the the
deal with the with the album cover, was we you know there's
this place, the Sunshine Shop on Church Street, and I was like,
well, it's it's not long for this world, so let's go, let's
go shoot a shoot an album cover there.
It's crazy how this town has just changed in just the time
I've been here. Oh,
it is. I mean, it was kind
of it was kind of cool. I remember my first boss in radio.
He says it's nice to work at a city that had a skyline, and he
moved to Hart. I started in Danbury, Connecticut. He went up
to Hartford, and he's like, "It's nice to have a skyline.
Hartford had a skyline, and the next town I moved to was Vegas.
I'm like, "Well, I guess you could call that a skyline. It's
you know the desert and it's casinos. But moving here, when
we got on the G Jack for a tour down the river. That's when I
like you see Nashville all lit up with the. I'm like, that's a
skyline. Yeah, you know. Now it's so changed. Now it's
unrecognizable
skyline.
I saw something from gosh, he was on. He was one of the news
guys, Bob something, Bob Bueller.
I think it was him. He posted a picture from 1984.
It was him. Did you see that? Yeah, I did. Where
it was like nothing but the Ryman in the background. Yeah,
that was him. Oh yeah, and it probably had boards on the
windows. I'm sure. Yeah, the
windows were knocked out. Yeah,
I remember that. Yeah, and that
was sad because you talk about a great venue. Gosh, and yeah, I
mean.
Luckily, that luckily,
you know what was really bizarre to me was going to the Ryman to
see Alice Cooper, dude. I saw Anthrax at the
Ryman.
I saw Ted Nugent, and I had to leave. I saw that advertised,
and I was like, "Take my
money! They're going to wreck this place!
My
gosh! Well, Ted
Nugent just about did because we walked in, and I forgot
earplugs, and he was playing stadium. Really, he was. I mean,
it was so you couldn't discern anything. I mean, I loved Ted,
okay, but oh, I had to leave, and then even well, the the
bodyguard from Inconsistent Truth was there. Oh, really?
Yeah, and he said, "You leaving? He said, "I thought you were a
rocker. I said, "I am, but
holy crap, this is-I'm going
to be deaf if I don't get out of here.
Rush was always liked. I always forgot how loud Rush was until I
went to go see them. I saw him probably like eight times, and
I'm like, "Gosh, I forget by forgetting how loud these guys
are. You know, amazingly, one of
the loudest shows I ever went to was Heart at at Starwood
Amphitheater. Yeah, I mean, I I couldn't hear for like three
days. You gotta wonder
if that's like you know like the front of house guys. Like, nope.
I mean, it's pretty much we're riding these gain levels like
normal. It's just something maybe about the air quality or
something, wavelength travel or something.
It's weird because I don't think shows are. I feel like shows
aren't in general. They're not as loud as they used to be. Like
in the 90s, they're not. Well, they're
not. No, like in the
90s, you would get.
And well, the other thing is, is, is like when you go see a
rock band now, with and and I, I get it because logistics of
travel, where there's not any amps on the stage where
everything's
no
everything's coming out of the the front of house. You're not
feeling that air move from amps
yeah
on the stage. You're not
getting that deep purple effect yeah yeah or the wall of guitar
amps that like one of them was only
one was functional
yeah
so but yeah there's been a few rock bands lately have, but it
seems just
technology. They, you can, you know, you you don't have to be
as loud now to hear everything.
Well, Alex Van Halen talked about like in his modern drummer
interview in the 90s. He talked about how every tour, he's like,
yeah, you know, my my monitors start out around two or three.
This is by the end of the tour, it's like a 10. It blasts out
his hearing,
and that's why he's having ear problems. Right.
Right. Yeah. What's like a dream place to play for you guys?
That's on your bucket list.
I keep saying the Tampa theater because I know that they're
redoing it, and I know they're having bands there. And I've
always, and I grew up going to that that theater, and I've
always wanted to to play there. It's kind of like a sister
theater to like the Fox in Atlanta or something. It's that
same same era, same design. And then any other dream venue? I
mean, you know, I don't know. I'm happy to play anywhere,
anytime. I tell
you, great theater here locally, and I would love to see you guys
play there. Is the Temple Theater in Portland? It is
beautiful. Crill, okay, yeah, we got to get you in there. All
right, because I know those guys. So it's way up there.
Yeah, it's way up there. But I go, yeah, because I it is
phenomenal. It's got it's an old theater, and they reopened it,
and gosh, it's beautiful.
Yeah, Chris Gold, and it's been on our podcast. Chris, Chris
plays up there from time to time.
Okay, yeah, it's the the Temple Theater in Portland. Yeah, yeah,
I'll yeah, I'll check that out.
Well, I'll make it happen. I really
like that new Harkin Hall venue up in Madison.
I haven't heard
of it. Yeah, it's a pretty cool little. Saw Gene Watts in there.
Wow, it's a brand. It's a brand new. Yeah, it's a brand new
venue built from the ground up. They're bringing back Music City
roots and oh cool. Yeah.
Have you guys seen the new one that's called The Truth? That's
in the Wedgewood, Houston. So haven't
seen. I mean, I've seen them or heard about it and seen them
building it, but is yeah. My
my wife was looking around. She's like, Sting is coming to
this place called the Truth. I said, Really? Is that playing
Bridgestone or anything like that, or the the Ryman? What's
the Truth? We look it up and it's like you know, in you know
where the sounds used to play right around the corner. Oh wow!
And I'm going. What the heck is there? And it's like it's a
little club kind of thing, club feel. Yeah. Well, it's
Live Nations. It's Live Nations. Okay. So yeah, it's like
that's how
they're getting these big acts then.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And
the tickets are $850. Yeah. The more intimate feel you want, the
higher you guys. It's so that all the because like
the what the AEG has the Pinnacle and then Ryman still
has the Ryman and then Live Nation needed a needed a Ryman
size venue so they just built one.
Well, they're selling it now. I guess Ryman is selling the
Ryman. They're selling the steak. I think yeah. There's
what what what what. Are they selling exactly the rhyming or
the or the offer? Both, both, both, yeah, both.
Cool. Well,
every guy's got some investment money. Go into it. Yeah,
I guess we all pooled. What do they call it? The being Disney.
Disney presents the rhyming. We would like 1/1000 of a share,
please. And then after we do that, we'll be living with Jesse
on Music Road because we won't have our homes anymore. Well,
guys, I guess we should wrap this up so you guys can get
along with your lives. But we've enjoyed it so much. I hope you
guys have as well. Yes,
it's been fun. Well, very cool. And Sunshine
Shop, please go out and buy it because these guys are
phenomenal, and you need to experience them for yourself,
and go see them anytime they're coming near you to play.
How do people find and follow you? What's the best time?
Jesse and noah.com, and then we're on all of the socials, and
we're streaming on all the platforms.
Well, I just went ahead and followed you, son. Cool. One
more.
Yeah, I've been following you guys for a while, so it's really
cool to to finally meet you. Yeah, yeah, very cool. Well,
it's
good to finally get to talk to you after seeing you at
Deborah's parties. But see, they're always people are always
around them talking, and I don't want to interrupt. So now I get
to. So next time I go to the party, I can talk. Just gonna
butter right in. I'm gonna butt right in. Hey, these guys were
on my podcast. Well, hey guys, I
mean, maybe we do something a little different, Johnny. I
mean, not to spring something on you, but is there another tune
that you might want to play to kind of play us out here? Play
us out, doing something a little different. I
love it. Take a request. Yeah, I told a lie. Let's there you
go. Tuning.
All right. Yeah, it has been terrific to have you guys.
I told a lie every time I said I didn't love you. You know I
didn't mean it at all. Don't wanna see you cry. I told a lie
every damn time I said I love you. Something always happened
to me to make me a fool. I promised myself from then on I'd
play it cool. So I told a lie every time I said I didn't love
you. You looked I didn't mean it at all. Don't wanna see you cry.
I told a lie. You shouldn't know better. There's a difference
since you and I started to be more than friends. We always
kept going when the going got tough. All I can say is I can't
say I'm sorry enough 'cause I told a lie every time. time I
said I didn't love you, you know I didn't mean it at all. Don't
wanna see you cry. I told a lie. I told a lie every time I said I
didn't love you. You know I. I told a lie. Nice.
Yeah.
There we go. All right. There he is. Man, I hear a little, little
Everly Brothers. Yeah, I did too
on that. That's great tune. I love that song. Jesse and Noah,
thanks again for coming by. And Sunshine Shop, please go out and
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