1 00:00:00,150 --> 00:00:02,280 Unknown: All the songs that we grew up with that that have that 2 00:00:02,430 --> 00:00:06,480 staying power were all imperfect songs. Oh, sure, you know what I 3 00:00:06,870 --> 00:00:06,960 mean. 4 00:00:07,230 --> 00:00:09,690 I brought it up many times before on on the podcast, but 5 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:12,870 you know you you listened to what I thought was a great 6 00:00:12,990 --> 00:00:17,550 record back in the 60s, "Glad All Over" by Dave Clark Five. I 7 00:00:17,610 --> 00:00:21,680 mean, it wasn't perfect, but man, it had feel. It had life to 8 00:00:21,860 --> 00:00:21,950 it. 9 00:00:22,010 --> 00:00:23,840 Imperfectly perfect. Yeah, you know. 10 00:00:25,220 --> 00:00:26,780 That's what we need to get back to. I think. 11 00:00:26,930 --> 00:00:30,050 Yeah. What are your thoughts on the whole AI thing that are 12 00:00:30,140 --> 00:00:35,930 happening? I mean, it helps me write emails. 13 00:00:40,010 --> 00:00:45,520 Welcome to a podcast about music and entertainment. Before it all 14 00:00:45,670 --> 00:00:50,440 goes down the disposal, this is Circling the Drain. 15 00:00:53,890 --> 00:00:56,740 Hey, welcome back to Circling the Drain. Of course, you know 16 00:00:56,770 --> 00:01:00,780 me, Johnny Bozeman, or Johnny B, as people know me, right over 17 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:04,110 there, Jay Harper, who's the real star of the show. 18 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:07,289 Yes, it's finally. I'm glad you finally have come to that 19 00:01:07,409 --> 00:01:10,499 realization, Johnny. Will it? You know, it only took us what 20 00:01:10,589 --> 00:01:11,909 almost 50 episodes. Yeah, 21 00:01:11,970 --> 00:01:14,370 it did. But you know, I mean, when they ask you to do an 22 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,940 interview, you told me I was the star of the show. Oh yes, yeah. 23 00:01:18,510 --> 00:01:20,780 All right. Yes, James Patrick is mr. 24 00:01:21,739 --> 00:01:24,019 McCarthy, really runs the show. 25 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:26,840 Yes, he is, and he is the true star of the show. Button Busher, 26 00:01:27,770 --> 00:01:30,470 glorified Button Busher. More than that, he keeps us in line, 27 00:01:30,860 --> 00:01:33,890 and he's the smartest one of the three. Yeah, and God help us 28 00:01:33,950 --> 00:01:34,220 all. I know 29 00:01:34,309 --> 00:01:36,349 that's a scary thought. It 30 00:01:36,350 --> 00:01:36,800 is, isn't it? Well, 31 00:01:36,830 --> 00:01:42,010 I tell you, some smart guys too. I got to see these guys, not in 32 00:01:42,310 --> 00:01:45,970 concert, but actually at a house. There was a house party, 33 00:01:46,150 --> 00:01:49,750 and these guys are always there. And I've just always been 34 00:01:50,230 --> 00:01:53,860 impressed with their music. Love their music, and I've always 35 00:01:53,980 --> 00:01:57,370 wanted to get them on. And finally, thanks to my wife, we 36 00:01:57,490 --> 00:01:58,360 got you guys on. 37 00:01:58,899 --> 00:01:59,409 Yeah, I'm 38 00:01:59,439 --> 00:02:02,459 talking about Jesse and Noah, and this is their latest album, 39 00:02:03,509 --> 00:02:07,619 the Sunshine Shop. There you go. Yeah, great to have you guys on 40 00:02:07,679 --> 00:02:08,279 board with us. 41 00:02:08,490 --> 00:02:09,270 Thanks for having us. 42 00:02:09,810 --> 00:02:12,900 And of course, their last name is Bellamy. We have to, we have 43 00:02:13,020 --> 00:02:14,100 to let that be known, 44 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:16,350 right? And we'll talk about that a little bit. 45 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:18,690 Oh yeah, we because we're not going to sit and talk about 46 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:21,890 their, you know, dad more than we are them, 47 00:02:21,890 --> 00:02:22,580 of course not. 48 00:02:22,849 --> 00:02:26,269 We want to find out all about them because you guys originally 49 00:02:26,599 --> 00:02:28,639 were born in in Florida, correct? 50 00:02:28,790 --> 00:02:29,720 We grew up on a cattle 51 00:02:29,839 --> 00:02:29,989 ranch. 52 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:37,160 On a well, not a farm. Well, at a hospital, but yeah, but near a 53 00:02:37,220 --> 00:02:39,860 cattle a cattle ranch at a hospital. Yeah, and yeah, we 54 00:02:39,950 --> 00:02:45,220 grew up on a piece of property that's been in the family for 55 00:02:45,220 --> 00:02:51,190 for a few generations, and you know our dad and uncle were 56 00:02:51,250 --> 00:02:54,400 always kind of touring, so we grew up you know mostly around 57 00:02:54,430 --> 00:02:58,360 our grandparents, yeah, and and kind of kind of a similar way to 58 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,770 you know the way they had grown up, you know, would guess. 59 00:03:02,549 --> 00:03:03,239 Well, maybe a few 60 00:03:03,300 --> 00:03:04,230 more luxuries, but 61 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,380 yeah. Well, it's funny because when I tell people that you guys 62 00:03:08,010 --> 00:03:11,910 grew up on a cattle ranch, so they always say Florida, and I'm 63 00:03:11,940 --> 00:03:15,780 thinking, yeah, Florida actually, it's not all beaches, 64 00:03:16,110 --> 00:03:19,740 you know. I mean, Florida. I have to point out this. I have 65 00:03:19,799 --> 00:03:23,089 to point this out all the time. Florida originated the cattle 66 00:03:23,179 --> 00:03:25,729 industry in the United States because the Spanish brought 67 00:03:25,969 --> 00:03:28,879 cattle over from Spain, and that's those were the first 68 00:03:29,449 --> 00:03:30,499 cattle in the United States 69 00:03:30,530 --> 00:03:32,030 500 years ago, more than 500. 70 00:03:32,090 --> 00:03:33,890 Exactly, they were first cowboys, really. 71 00:03:35,060 --> 00:03:35,120 Yeah, 72 00:03:35,300 --> 00:03:38,000 which shocks folks. You know, they didn't all come from Texas. 73 00:03:40,820 --> 00:03:45,100 So your your so your dad actually lived in L.A. at one 74 00:03:45,130 --> 00:03:47,050 time, didn't he? And lived out in California. Yeah, they 75 00:03:47,140 --> 00:03:50,440 did. They lived in L.A. for for a little while, like late late 76 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:54,520 70s. You know, they of course grew up in the same the the same 77 00:03:55,420 --> 00:04:00,580 ranch that we grew up on, and they headed out to L.A. mid '70s 78 00:04:01,540 --> 00:04:05,820 and cut a little record called "Let Your Love Flow" and did all 79 00:04:05,820 --> 00:04:08,460 of that. Yeah, I think some of them may have heard of that. 80 00:04:08,580 --> 00:04:09,300 Yeah, maybe. Yeah, 81 00:04:09,959 --> 00:04:10,919 1975, 82 00:04:12,060 --> 00:04:16,440 76. I'm sure they were. I'm sure they were recorded it in 75. But 83 00:04:16,470 --> 00:04:19,500 they they're celebrating the 50th. They just did the 50th 84 00:04:19,950 --> 00:04:24,170 anniversary at the Ryman this what about what three weeks ago 85 00:04:24,290 --> 00:04:24,650 yeah it was 86 00:04:24,830 --> 00:04:25,370 very recent 87 00:04:26,090 --> 00:04:30,380 and so they you know went through the whole LA thing for a 88 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:34,700 few years and then ended up coming back to to Florida when 89 00:04:34,730 --> 00:04:36,950 we were younger we we we did have a place up here we had a 90 00:04:37,010 --> 00:04:42,550 place off of Whitebridge Road condo over there, so so we grew 91 00:04:42,610 --> 00:04:44,470 up coming to Nashville a lot as well. 92 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:48,370 Yeah, so it wasn't much of a culture shock to move up here. 93 00:04:49,390 --> 00:04:53,260 No, I mean not not back then. Yeah, yeah. Well, the cultural 94 00:04:53,530 --> 00:04:55,930 shock just came eventually, like over the 95 00:04:56,110 --> 00:04:56,530 yeah over 96 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:57,580 the course of the years, yeah, 97 00:04:57,940 --> 00:05:01,920 especially right now with every. Way everything's changing, but 98 00:05:01,950 --> 00:05:06,150 how did you guys decide to? What brought you together musically? 99 00:05:08,550 --> 00:05:12,450 We're brothers. Well, that would work. And you, and you, and you 100 00:05:12,540 --> 00:05:12,960 guys. It's 101 00:05:13,020 --> 00:05:15,930 not just you, but you also have. Do you not have three other 102 00:05:16,020 --> 00:05:17,280 brothers? We do have three other brothers. Yeah, 103 00:05:18,030 --> 00:05:18,090 yeah. 104 00:05:18,450 --> 00:05:19,560 So you could have a whole band. 105 00:05:19,770 --> 00:05:22,640 We could have whole band. They they we're the only two that 106 00:05:22,700 --> 00:05:27,140 sort of play in public for for some reason. Everybody everybody 107 00:05:27,470 --> 00:05:32,630 plays. Everybody writes. But and everybody's sort of you know in 108 00:05:32,870 --> 00:05:37,550 in the in the arts world. Our youngest brother's into film and 109 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:43,810 and that sort of thing. Yeah. Um. But yeah, we're the we're 110 00:05:43,900 --> 00:05:50,350 the two that sort of pursue it, and you know have gone to the 111 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:51,520 trouble of making a record. 112 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:55,930 Well, Jesse, I mean, has this always just kind of been 113 00:05:56,260 --> 00:06:01,230 expected of family members, at least some of them, to to follow 114 00:06:01,410 --> 00:06:04,470 the route of of your dad and uncle David and Howard the 115 00:06:04,590 --> 00:06:05,280 Bellamy brothers. Yeah, 116 00:06:05,430 --> 00:06:10,080 I mean, I I guess so. I mean, it seems it seems that that it 117 00:06:10,260 --> 00:06:13,470 happens a lot in this industry and every other industry. It 118 00:06:13,500 --> 00:06:15,030 seems it seems pretty common, you know. 119 00:06:16,770 --> 00:06:19,740 So, I mean, did you ever feel like you were pressured into it 120 00:06:19,860 --> 00:06:23,540 or anything? It was expected in one way or another, or it's just 121 00:06:23,570 --> 00:06:26,750 something you were attracted to, and it's just in the blood, and 122 00:06:26,870 --> 00:06:28,400 you love to do it. And yeah, just 123 00:06:28,790 --> 00:06:33,110 I just like to sing, like to write songs, like play music. 124 00:06:33,290 --> 00:06:33,800 All right, I mean, so 125 00:06:33,950 --> 00:06:35,900 you two, I mean, if you've determined that you were going 126 00:06:35,900 --> 00:06:38,900 to kind of be a brother act at a younger age, or did you kind of 127 00:06:38,930 --> 00:06:40,130 come together later, Noah? 128 00:06:40,700 --> 00:06:44,590 Well, we when we started out playing in bands, you know, 129 00:06:44,710 --> 00:06:49,480 playing kind of in you know like you do when you're a teenager 130 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,990 playing in sort of garage bands with your friends, and so we 131 00:06:53,110 --> 00:06:56,920 started out in more thinking of ourselves more and like you know 132 00:06:56,950 --> 00:07:00,430 we were going to be a band of like four or five people, and 133 00:07:00,970 --> 00:07:03,630 but you know we always got kind of whittled down to just the two 134 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:03,780 of 135 00:07:07,350 --> 00:07:09,420 us. Yeah. So I mean, do you play? Obviously, you brought 136 00:07:09,510 --> 00:07:11,850 your guitars. We hope to hear from you here in a little bit. 137 00:07:11,910 --> 00:07:15,060 But I mean, have you always played guitar? You got other 138 00:07:15,180 --> 00:07:16,710 instruments in your repertoire? 139 00:07:17,490 --> 00:07:22,250 Oh, I play. I started out on piano and then went to 140 00:07:22,460 --> 00:07:23,120 saxophone. 141 00:07:23,810 --> 00:07:23,900 Oh wow! 142 00:07:24,590 --> 00:07:28,700 And then guitar and then then kind of the other string 143 00:07:28,790 --> 00:07:33,020 instruments. I play some mandolin and bass and 144 00:07:33,830 --> 00:07:36,740 okay. Heck, you don't need a whole band. You got you. No, I 145 00:07:36,830 --> 00:07:36,980 got 146 00:07:37,820 --> 00:07:40,100 well. Yeah, most of our yeah most of our kind of early 147 00:07:40,190 --> 00:07:42,040 recordings. It was it was mostly 148 00:07:42,940 --> 00:07:45,400 yeah we've done mostly Noah playing some stuff in the past. 149 00:07:45,670 --> 00:07:49,060 This album is all you know. This album we did pretty much live 150 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:53,140 with our with our regular band, but we've done some stuff in the 151 00:07:53,170 --> 00:07:57,220 past where I did a lot of overdubbing and you know it was 152 00:07:57,310 --> 00:07:58,630 just me and a drummer or 153 00:07:59,380 --> 00:08:03,360 yeah, so kind of Paul McCartney esque, yeah, Prince like, yeah, 154 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:05,970 doing all the all the instruments. Who's 155 00:08:06,030 --> 00:08:09,300 your go to here in town for like instrumentation and recording? 156 00:08:11,220 --> 00:08:15,810 Just our well, our our band that that we play live with. Our our 157 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:19,680 drummer is also our roommate, so he's makes it weird if we don't 158 00:08:19,710 --> 00:08:23,990 record with them. So the three of us are kind of always 159 00:08:24,170 --> 00:08:26,540 together. I mean, our and our bass player, but practically, 160 00:08:26,870 --> 00:08:31,400 yeah, he's over there every night anyway. So we're we've 161 00:08:31,460 --> 00:08:35,090 just kind of had this core band together for the last few years, 162 00:08:35,570 --> 00:08:39,500 and really kind of kind of you know developed and and sort of 163 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:44,290 wrote the songs and for you know because we were just familiar 164 00:08:44,380 --> 00:08:48,700 with the way everybody plays and and then we brought in Mike 165 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:54,670 Cluster from the band Smash Mouth to play keyboards and he 166 00:08:54,700 --> 00:08:58,360 had played on our on a previous EP that we did so we got to got 167 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:03,300 to know him through that and then Zach Cassick in 168 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:08,010 Hendersonville at Wildfeather Recording is is where we did the 169 00:09:08,010 --> 00:09:12,960 the record, and you know he we in the past we've always sort of 170 00:09:13,230 --> 00:09:16,170 guerrilla recorded where we would be at one studio and then 171 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:19,890 another and then we'd take home stuff and do it in a closet and 172 00:09:20,430 --> 00:09:24,560 you know piece it together. This this was a this process was kind 173 00:09:24,590 --> 00:09:27,560 of what we've been trying to get to, where we could just go in 174 00:09:27,590 --> 00:09:29,270 and cut live with our with our band. 175 00:09:29,780 --> 00:09:35,060 When do you know you have it right? When it's on the vinyl. 176 00:09:36,380 --> 00:09:38,900 Do you hear the vinyl answer? Do you still hear the vinyl on the 177 00:09:38,900 --> 00:09:43,600 product and go, oh man, we should have just kicked that one 178 00:09:43,630 --> 00:09:45,310 up a little bit more. Not, 179 00:09:45,580 --> 00:09:48,220 you know, not so much on this project. There was one one 180 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:50,380 track I told a lie that we recorded. 181 00:09:50,830 --> 00:09:52,600 We did record that one twice. We did we did 182 00:09:52,810 --> 00:09:55,900 record it twice. I mean, we we we had a version of it that we 183 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:59,950 were pretty happy with, but then we we started playing it live. 184 00:10:00,420 --> 00:10:03,600 And it kind of became it became something else. So we had to go 185 00:10:03,690 --> 00:10:04,260 back and we're gonna 186 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:08,670 re-record re-record it from the ground up. Well, it seems like 187 00:10:08,790 --> 00:10:11,820 songs do take a new life sometimes when they when you 188 00:10:11,850 --> 00:10:13,320 perform them. Yeah, that's the thing. 189 00:10:13,410 --> 00:10:17,400 We've got so many. See, even and we're gonna do we're gonna start 190 00:10:17,700 --> 00:10:21,080 a new project here. Maybe as soon as next week. We'll start 191 00:10:21,110 --> 00:10:26,000 rehearsing, and there's a lot of songs that were on previous 192 00:10:26,090 --> 00:10:29,300 projects that we just didn't have the the right recording, 193 00:10:29,630 --> 00:10:33,200 you know, of and and which I'm tempted to try and do a live 194 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,980 album at some point to maybe sort of up you know update some 195 00:10:37,010 --> 00:10:41,110 of the songs that got got missed on on previous projects that 196 00:10:41,380 --> 00:10:45,430 that need a a new life, but yeah, it happens. 197 00:10:49,270 --> 00:10:52,450 So when you guys write, I mean, who who is more of the 198 00:10:52,750 --> 00:10:58,180 wordsmith? Who is more of the melody? Where is it? Both of 199 00:10:58,570 --> 00:11:01,230 you? We yeah, we both do both. So yeah, both do both. Yeah, 200 00:11:04,260 --> 00:11:06,960 I mean, I guess it's you know it's assumed because I generally 201 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:11,700 sing lead that I'm writing more lyrics, but that's not all. It's 202 00:11:11,790 --> 00:11:14,970 not always the case. Right. We we kind of have a tendency to 203 00:11:15,060 --> 00:11:20,280 sort of sort of pick the best out of our sort of demos between 204 00:11:20,370 --> 00:11:23,150 the two of us, and then sort of bounce those back and forth, and 205 00:11:23,300 --> 00:11:26,180 and then start playing them with the band, and 206 00:11:26,570 --> 00:11:26,630 yeah, 207 00:11:26,930 --> 00:11:30,140 and I mean that's where we're at right now, where we we've just 208 00:11:30,170 --> 00:11:35,600 compiled a folder of like 50 songs, and we're going to try 209 00:11:35,630 --> 00:11:40,580 and go in and maybe cut four at a time, and so we're and one of 210 00:11:40,610 --> 00:11:43,090 them has to be a Christmas song because we need to get that 211 00:11:43,900 --> 00:11:43,990 done. 212 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:48,670 So it's always funny, but Christmas in August. Oh, and 213 00:11:48,730 --> 00:11:49,120 Christmas 214 00:11:49,210 --> 00:11:52,570 songs because it's not just a Christmas song. There has to be 215 00:11:52,630 --> 00:11:55,870 a Christmas video. Oh, of course. And then there has to be 216 00:11:55,930 --> 00:11:59,740 a Christmas show. Yes. And so it's like once you start the 217 00:11:59,890 --> 00:12:01,380 process, it's okay. Put the 218 00:12:01,500 --> 00:12:05,280 winter coat on again. Yeah, I know it's 90 degrees outside, 219 00:12:06,510 --> 00:12:11,130 but the real feel temperature is 115. Yeah, yeah, get you in the 220 00:12:11,250 --> 00:12:13,020 Christmas spirit. Well, you know, I was 221 00:12:13,109 --> 00:12:16,529 at MCA when George Strait cut one of his Christmas albums and 222 00:12:16,769 --> 00:12:19,649 at Soundstage, and you know, they turned all of they put 223 00:12:19,709 --> 00:12:22,759 decorations all over the studio, and they turn the AC down to 224 00:12:22,819 --> 00:12:25,069 about 50. Oh, really? There you go. That'll 225 00:12:25,190 --> 00:12:26,000 get you in the mood. Trying to 226 00:12:26,030 --> 00:12:28,790 get everybody in the mood, Jesse. I mean, have you? I mean, 227 00:12:28,850 --> 00:12:31,940 have you always kind of had the writing bug, both of you? I 228 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:33,530 mean, even as as young guys. 229 00:12:34,220 --> 00:12:37,940 Yeah, I mean, we both both took an interest in it pretty pretty 230 00:12:38,090 --> 00:12:42,040 early on. I mean, mainly like like you know, like Noah was 231 00:12:42,100 --> 00:12:46,390 saying earlier, we would play kind of in in garage bands, just 232 00:12:46,390 --> 00:12:50,590 kind of growing up, and we mainly just started feeling like 233 00:12:50,650 --> 00:12:53,980 we needed material for for those bands. So we we started out by 234 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:58,540 by writing for yeah for those bands because we weren't we 235 00:12:58,630 --> 00:13:02,220 weren't into you know learning a bunch of covers and all that. We 236 00:13:02,310 --> 00:13:03,090 wanted to go and be 237 00:13:03,239 --> 00:13:08,009 your own, yeah, your own style. You know, I got to admit, I 238 00:13:08,159 --> 00:13:11,549 mean, again, we're here to talk about you, but it's you know 239 00:13:11,639 --> 00:13:14,429 we'd be remiss not to mention, I mean, you know, your dad, David 240 00:13:14,459 --> 00:13:17,249 Bellamy, one of the most brilliant, clever songwriters. 241 00:13:17,489 --> 00:13:21,379 Oh yeah, you know, seeing things from a real quirky eye and 242 00:13:21,499 --> 00:13:29,509 stuff. I mean, did you kind of did he give you tips and then I 243 00:13:29,569 --> 00:13:31,999 mean, or did you just kind of come about the songwriting by 244 00:13:32,209 --> 00:13:36,079 osmosis? I mean, you certainly had somebody to you certainly 245 00:13:36,109 --> 00:13:39,019 had somebody to look up to in terms of songwriting because 246 00:13:39,079 --> 00:13:40,839 your dad's brilliant songwriter. 247 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:44,590 Yeah, for sure, and yeah, and he he was just inducted into the 248 00:13:44,620 --> 00:13:46,960 Nashville Songwriters Hall of Fame just a couple of years ago 249 00:13:47,110 --> 00:13:52,180 too. By the way, yeah, I mean, and I think yeah, I think that's 250 00:13:52,390 --> 00:13:56,410 one thing about about his songs too is he he normally wrote for 251 00:13:56,710 --> 00:14:01,140 them as an act. I mean, he he did have some outside cuts as 252 00:14:01,260 --> 00:14:06,180 well, but but I think that's that's kind of where we we sort 253 00:14:06,180 --> 00:14:10,200 of maybe got that that attitude from. You know, he he was always 254 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:16,380 writing for them as an act and wasn't wasn't necessarily doing 255 00:14:16,770 --> 00:14:22,430 the the pub co kind of yeah kind of world as much, or well, I 256 00:14:22,490 --> 00:14:25,790 guess they didn't didn't have to, you know. Yeah, if you've 257 00:14:25,820 --> 00:14:28,430 already got the artist cutting the song, but right, right. Were 258 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:28,940 some of his 259 00:14:29,390 --> 00:14:32,960 where his was his wordsmithing an influence on you, or did you 260 00:14:32,990 --> 00:14:35,450 were you were kind of reading poetry or other bands? That kind 261 00:14:35,540 --> 00:14:39,410 of what kind of wordsmithing influences did you have? Yeah, I 262 00:14:39,470 --> 00:14:39,560 mean, 263 00:14:39,620 --> 00:14:42,580 well, all all over the place. I mean, yeah. I mean, you know, 264 00:14:42,730 --> 00:14:49,540 growing up listening to a lot of '60s rock, all of the the sort 265 00:14:49,540 --> 00:14:55,210 of main '60s Dylan and Van Morrison, Neil Young, Beatles, 266 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:56,020 Paul Simon, 267 00:14:56,680 --> 00:15:01,080 all oh yeah, all of those. But then I really like. Country 268 00:15:02,310 --> 00:15:05,790 songwriters too. I mean, maybe maybe the best people like Bob 269 00:15:05,850 --> 00:15:06,570 McDill and 270 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:09,180 yeah, the guys that could tell a story. Yeah, 271 00:15:10,710 --> 00:15:16,410 yeah. Just I love Don Williams and that era of of country and 272 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:19,890 that that era of country songwriting. 273 00:15:21,150 --> 00:15:24,350 Well, in fact, you have a T-shirt in one of your photos 274 00:15:24,410 --> 00:15:27,710 that I would love to have. Too dumb for New York City, too ugly 275 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:32,300 for L.A. Which always I love that song title because I don't 276 00:15:32,330 --> 00:15:34,760 know about you, but I've felt that way a few times. I feel 277 00:15:34,790 --> 00:15:37,130 like when I've gone to New York while I'm here. Yeah, exactly. 278 00:15:37,130 --> 00:15:41,800 One thing I love about this album too is this old cowboys 279 00:15:41,860 --> 00:15:45,160 that you do with Riders in the Sky? How'd that all come about? 280 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,360 Well, we cut the track, and we were we were listening back, and 281 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,640 we was like, "Well, it'd be great to have some just 282 00:15:51,790 --> 00:15:55,600 traditional cowboy harmonies on this. And and then from there, 283 00:15:55,690 --> 00:15:59,680 the idea was to get "Riders in the Sky, and then we ran into 284 00:15:59,770 --> 00:16:04,650 them, you know, by chance, about a month later. Oh wow! Yeah, and 285 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:09,270 asked Ranger Doug, and and they came and and did it, and they 286 00:16:09,690 --> 00:16:12,630 you know they just kind of came in and and did their thing. You 287 00:16:12,660 --> 00:16:15,810 didn't, you know, it was it was pretty pretty obvious they were 288 00:16:17,070 --> 00:16:21,020 the they're the custodians of that. Boy, they really are. 289 00:16:21,860 --> 00:16:24,980 They really are very interesting guys too. Yeah, they're so 290 00:16:25,100 --> 00:16:27,860 cool. Oh, they aren't up and and did their radio show in 291 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,850 Cleveland, and they're just they just go so deep into that that 292 00:16:32,060 --> 00:16:35,420 cowboy genre, which you know we know some kind of surface level 293 00:16:35,540 --> 00:16:37,700 stuff, but I mean, they know every you know. Yeah, they're 294 00:16:37,820 --> 00:16:40,540 deep. They're deep. Yeah, Ranger 295 00:16:40,690 --> 00:16:44,860 Doug is a real historian of that stuff, and you know those guys 296 00:16:44,950 --> 00:16:49,090 have been around for you know almost 50 years. I mean, it's 297 00:16:49,270 --> 00:16:51,670 pretty incredible the longevity those fellows have had, 298 00:16:51,940 --> 00:16:53,980 and they also have great harmonies too. Man, gosh, 299 00:16:54,100 --> 00:16:58,360 they're so good. But you guys are as well. Plus, you have Tess 300 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:02,400 Frizell on here too, which she is really good. 301 00:17:03,060 --> 00:17:08,820 Yeah, she's amazing. Yeah, we met her doing the Next 302 00:17:08,820 --> 00:17:12,930 Generation of Country show during CMA Fest that happens 303 00:17:13,020 --> 00:17:17,790 every year, and met her a few years ago. We we had the we had 304 00:17:17,790 --> 00:17:20,810 had the song for a while and didn't and knew it was a you 305 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:24,170 know supposed to be a duet. We just didn't didn't have the 306 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,480 hadn't run into the right artist. And then when we met 307 00:17:26,540 --> 00:17:29,750 her, it was like, well, oh yeah, that makes sense because because 308 00:17:29,810 --> 00:17:33,980 of her you know because of her lineage being duets as well. 309 00:17:34,370 --> 00:17:39,830 Yeah, Shelly had done all those. Shelly West had done, of course, 310 00:17:39,950 --> 00:17:44,920 all the stuff with David Frizell and then Dotty West with with 311 00:17:44,980 --> 00:17:45,880 Kenny Rogers, of course. Yeah, 312 00:17:47,500 --> 00:17:52,030 I always, you know, I I always love to champion people that 313 00:17:52,120 --> 00:17:55,690 have come from you know country legends, country artists, 314 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:59,260 because a lot of these people are so talented, like Tess, you 315 00:17:59,380 --> 00:18:05,310 guys. We just had David Allen Coe's two daughters on, who are 316 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:06,900 also, I think, really good. 317 00:18:07,139 --> 00:18:08,099 Tanya and Shelly, yeah. 318 00:18:08,910 --> 00:18:12,060 And so I really loved a champion because too many times I've 319 00:18:12,210 --> 00:18:16,230 heard Shooter Jennings. I think ran into this because I I got 320 00:18:16,260 --> 00:18:20,720 into a very very big argument with somebody that you know he's 321 00:18:20,780 --> 00:18:24,350 not enough like Waylon. I'm thinking he's his own man. Come 322 00:18:24,710 --> 00:18:29,450 on, you know he's he's a great artist. Give him a chance. You 323 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:33,650 know, quit trying to to basically compare him to his 324 00:18:33,770 --> 00:18:36,080 father because they're two different artists. 325 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,110 Oh, and not not only an artist. I mean, a producer and 326 00:18:39,170 --> 00:18:44,290 songwriter. Yeah, great producer runs the gamut of of of yeah. I 327 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:48,070 mean, I guess you know you you grow up around around it, and 328 00:18:48,070 --> 00:18:52,240 you see all the all of the different sort of pieces of it. 329 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:53,800 Yeah, maybe maybe a little bit better. 330 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:54,820 Yeah, 331 00:18:55,269 --> 00:18:58,929 and and can kind of dabble in in you know in more areas. 332 00:18:59,650 --> 00:19:03,210 Have you guys run into that at all? Where people will try to 333 00:19:03,420 --> 00:19:06,870 compare you to your dad and and and your uncle? 334 00:19:08,190 --> 00:19:11,490 I mean, not it's you know never in a 335 00:19:12,689 --> 00:19:13,859 not in a negative way, 336 00:19:14,370 --> 00:19:17,910 super negative way, or yeah, that she wouldn't just blow off 337 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:18,420 anyway. Yeah, 338 00:19:18,690 --> 00:19:25,280 yeah, some redneck, you know. Come on, y'all! New old hippie. 339 00:19:25,610 --> 00:19:28,340 Yeah, yeah. Well, we will. I mean, we'll do a few. You know, 340 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:29,000 we'll do a few. 341 00:19:30,290 --> 00:19:33,560 We'll do a few of their other songs now. You know, for for a 342 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:35,900 long time we didn't, but but we'll do a few of their songs 343 00:19:35,990 --> 00:19:39,410 now. But my, I mean, my argument is is that they they play every 344 00:19:39,500 --> 00:19:42,280 weekend. They're out there doing it. Go see them. 345 00:19:42,729 --> 00:19:46,449 Yeah, go see them. Yeah, come hear our stuff. Come here. Yeah, 346 00:19:46,539 --> 00:19:47,079 we get to play like 347 00:19:47,170 --> 00:19:52,900 once a month, and and I want to songs I wrote. Yeah, 348 00:19:53,170 --> 00:19:56,710 I mean Bellamy Brothers, but you know, come on, you want to see 349 00:19:56,830 --> 00:19:59,950 the Bellamy of the other brothers? Yeah, there you go. 350 00:20:00,330 --> 00:20:04,800 Yeah, yeah, but have you found that that you know Bellamy last 351 00:20:04,860 --> 00:20:08,730 name is it been positive, negative, a little bit above? I 352 00:20:08,790 --> 00:20:09,960 mean, yeah, I'm sure 353 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:14,340 it's a. I mean, I'm sure it's a little little of both. Yeah, you 354 00:20:14,370 --> 00:20:18,030 know, it's not. Again, it's not that we do anything that's like 355 00:20:18,540 --> 00:20:22,070 drastically different than than what they what what they do and 356 00:20:22,070 --> 00:20:24,950 there are a lot of things that are very similar. I mean just 357 00:20:25,070 --> 00:20:29,900 just the fact that it is sibling harmony based music, which which 358 00:20:30,050 --> 00:20:33,500 is a rare thing on its own at this you know at this point 359 00:20:33,530 --> 00:20:37,730 really. I mean even even the you know the bigger duos in in 360 00:20:38,390 --> 00:20:42,640 country for you know the last what 20 years or whatever, none 361 00:20:42,790 --> 00:20:45,040 of them really been siblings so much, you know. 362 00:20:45,550 --> 00:20:45,610 Yeah, 363 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:49,539 it's sort of sort of sort of less less common, so 364 00:20:50,499 --> 00:20:53,619 it's much tougher to get a duo successful. I would say, 365 00:20:55,120 --> 00:20:57,910 you know, I mean, it used to be that that everybody had their 366 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:05,490 kind of roster, and there was a duo on every roster, as far as 367 00:21:05,550 --> 00:21:08,130 the you know the major labels and all that goes. So it used to 368 00:21:08,370 --> 00:21:12,720 be you know you just had to have you know one of each on each 369 00:21:12,870 --> 00:21:13,170 label. 370 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,350 Well, Florida Georgia line is coming back together, so there's 371 00:21:16,380 --> 00:21:16,470 hope. 372 00:21:16,590 --> 00:21:17,160 Oh yeah, cool. 373 00:21:17,550 --> 00:21:23,540 So there you go, cool. What is what is something? I didn't know 374 00:21:23,660 --> 00:21:24,080 they went away. 375 00:21:25,430 --> 00:21:29,030 Well, I think the the Belling Brothers are the only duo that's 376 00:21:29,120 --> 00:21:33,290 never broken up. I believe. Oh, really? You're right. Them and 377 00:21:33,470 --> 00:21:34,850 them and Sparks, I guess. Yeah. 378 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,800 What's the one thing you guys can absolutely not agree on? 379 00:21:41,450 --> 00:21:43,630 Speaking, not that I want to break in. Boy, I listen 380 00:21:43,690 --> 00:21:48,460 to him. He's already trying to drive a wedge in there. Plenty, 381 00:21:49,660 --> 00:21:52,540 but boy, they're brothers. Come on, it's got to be something. 382 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:57,940 Let's stir the pot. Well, you you guys don't get into those 383 00:21:58,360 --> 00:22:01,590 because I always heard horror stories about Eddie and Alex Van 384 00:22:01,650 --> 00:22:04,290 Halen. Oh, they were notorious. Oh, yeah, they were. I mean, 385 00:22:04,620 --> 00:22:07,800 Sammy Hagar told stories about them. You know, getting into 386 00:22:08,220 --> 00:22:12,030 physical fights in the studio. I can't picture you guys doing 387 00:22:12,060 --> 00:22:12,990 that. It 388 00:22:13,889 --> 00:22:17,189 hasn't happened in a long time. But if it did, who would win? 389 00:22:23,870 --> 00:22:26,750 Well, I mean, it's great. Sounds like 390 00:22:26,810 --> 00:22:29,900 Noah has plays more instruments, so he's got more stuff to throw. 391 00:22:30,260 --> 00:22:33,380 Yeah, that's right. Exactly. To throw at Jesse. That's 392 00:22:33,500 --> 00:22:36,890 right. Yeah, you've not lived till you had a keyboard thrown 393 00:22:37,010 --> 00:22:41,030 at you, drumsticks, a bassboard thrown at me, 394 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:47,530 a fully weighted 88 key piano. Those things are freaking heavy, 395 00:22:47,650 --> 00:22:48,580 man. Yes, they are. 396 00:22:49,750 --> 00:22:52,390 Well, you guys did bring your guitars in. Did you want to play 397 00:22:52,390 --> 00:22:54,010 us a tune? Sure. While you're here. 398 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:55,390 Yeah, we didn't really. Yeah, 399 00:22:55,420 --> 00:22:58,840 if you've got room here, if you got room, I mean, real tight. I 400 00:22:58,930 --> 00:22:59,350 know it's really 401 00:22:59,470 --> 00:23:01,410 tight in here, and nobody's really brought in their 402 00:23:01,500 --> 00:23:03,510 instruments before, so we're no. We've done this 403 00:23:03,570 --> 00:23:05,730 before, though. Cool. Will this cost us, 404 00:23:05,879 --> 00:23:06,509 Jim? No. 405 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:08,430 Well, 406 00:23:09,540 --> 00:23:10,290 some royalty. 407 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:14,040 Yes. I'm sorry, we're cheap operation here. 408 00:23:14,700 --> 00:23:17,430 Oh, we just do like 15 seconds. All we can afford you 409 00:23:17,490 --> 00:23:20,460 is some homemade pickles. My wife made for you guys. 410 00:23:20,730 --> 00:23:22,910 Amazing. That's yes, and 411 00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:25,100 and T-shirts. We got T-shirts. Oh, 412 00:23:25,490 --> 00:23:29,150 how about that? I'm glad you. I bet you're going. Boy, I'm glad 413 00:23:29,210 --> 00:23:29,660 we came now. 414 00:23:32,389 --> 00:23:37,099 Oh, we're gonna do line. There we go. Yeah, let's do that. All 415 00:23:37,159 --> 00:23:42,729 right, line of rose. It's kind of a murder ballad, but not 416 00:23:43,029 --> 00:23:43,779 really. Well, I 417 00:23:43,900 --> 00:23:45,940 love those. Those are my favorite ones. 418 00:24:10,619 --> 00:24:14,999 When I first met my wife, thought she'd love me my whole 419 00:24:15,269 --> 00:24:22,399 life. She called herself the Carolina Rose. Lionel Rose. lila 420 00:24:24,439 --> 00:24:32,179 rose. She called herself a Carolina rose. One day she 421 00:24:32,659 --> 00:24:37,249 walked down the path, and as she threw her red hair back in her 422 00:24:37,339 --> 00:24:47,679 teeth, she held a Carolina rose. Lina rose. lila rose. In a 423 00:24:47,799 --> 00:25:18,809 teeth, she held a Carolina rose. With a Bible and a gun, she 424 00:25:18,989 --> 00:25:23,779 said, "We're gonna have some fun, and the blossoms turn to 425 00:25:24,739 --> 00:25:32,629 thorns of lighter rose. Lighter rose, lighter rose. The blossoms 426 00:25:33,139 --> 00:25:38,839 turn to thorns of lighter rose. She says it says thou shalt not 427 00:25:38,989 --> 00:25:45,729 kill, but I believe I will test the Lord and risk my very soul. 428 00:25:46,959 --> 00:25:54,489 'Cause I'm light of rose, light a rose. I'll test the Lord and 429 00:25:54,579 --> 00:26:27,169 risk my very soul. Heard a cackle and a click. Then I 430 00:26:27,349 --> 00:26:33,679 learned real quick she's the one in chargeless line of rose. Line 431 00:26:34,309 --> 00:26:42,219 of rose, line of rose. She's the one in chargeless line of rose. 432 00:27:08,250 --> 00:27:08,850 Oh yeah! 433 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:10,800 Very nice. 434 00:27:10,950 --> 00:27:14,340 That's how you write a song, indeed. Yeah, love the 435 00:27:14,460 --> 00:27:15,930 harmonies. I did too. And 436 00:27:16,469 --> 00:27:18,419 plus, I love Noah's picking. Yeah, the picking. 437 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:23,720 I mean, the arrangement for the the the picking, I mean, did you 438 00:27:23,780 --> 00:27:28,610 come up with that yourself, or I mean, Jesse coming to you? I 439 00:27:28,670 --> 00:27:31,970 mean, where does that emanate from? Because that's very cool. 440 00:27:32,630 --> 00:27:32,840 Well, 441 00:27:33,709 --> 00:27:37,639 that version was different. That version, yeah, it's always 442 00:27:37,759 --> 00:27:40,839 different. Yeah, I got you. I totally lost my place right in 443 00:27:40,839 --> 00:27:44,259 the middle of that second song until we get back to where we're 444 00:27:44,319 --> 00:27:44,439 going. 445 00:27:44,830 --> 00:27:47,650 But we we cut that song so that song's all in the new album. 446 00:27:47,860 --> 00:27:48,040 Right, 447 00:27:48,070 --> 00:27:48,640 I see that. 448 00:27:48,700 --> 00:27:53,170 And but we had had recorded it on a previous album as a 449 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:58,810 bluegrass song, where we had Lily Mae and Scarlett Rishi come 450 00:27:58,900 --> 00:28:02,250 in and play, you know, fiddle and mandolin on it, but we had 451 00:28:02,310 --> 00:28:05,070 been playing with our band for so long, doing more of a rock 452 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,250 version that we ended up recording that for the album. 453 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:09,420 Oh, that's outstanding! 454 00:28:09,540 --> 00:28:12,570 That's a great story song too, which I'm a big fan of. 455 00:28:12,959 --> 00:28:17,849 Yeah, the Bob McDill influence. Yeah, yeah, story songs. 456 00:28:18,300 --> 00:28:20,960 Yeah, well, it kind of reminded me too a little bit of a Steve 457 00:28:21,170 --> 00:28:22,520 Earle story song, you know. 458 00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:27,230 Yeah, it's got a little bit of that. I mean, I started with 459 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:32,060 that. That was inspired by an old song called "Rain and Snow, 460 00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:36,230 you know, which you know I took it in a different direction than 461 00:28:36,290 --> 00:28:39,740 that, but you know, which is an old public domain bluegrass 462 00:28:39,830 --> 00:28:43,360 song, and it's been, you know, the Grateful Dead did a version 463 00:28:43,450 --> 00:28:45,760 of it. There's a million versions of it out there, but 464 00:28:45,940 --> 00:28:50,230 but it started with you know using that as the basis for it 465 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:51,250 and jumping off from there. 466 00:28:51,460 --> 00:28:56,200 Very cool, and you guys sound so good together. I mean, no wonder 467 00:28:56,230 --> 00:28:59,410 you guys got together, man. Don't ever break up. 468 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,970 What was the most "this can't be happening" moment you've ever 469 00:29:06,030 --> 00:29:08,790 experienced in this life of yours? 470 00:29:11,369 --> 00:29:14,579 Nothing. Probably the time you got hit 471 00:29:14,670 --> 00:29:16,950 by a horse on Broadway. Oh wow! 472 00:29:18,659 --> 00:29:20,489 How the yeah, you got to tell us that story. 473 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,940 Hit by a horse. They don't have horses down there anymore. Oh, 474 00:29:25,940 --> 00:29:28,310 do they? I thought they still had. Oh, do they still have? It 475 00:29:28,790 --> 00:29:32,210 wasn't like a horse drawn. Yeah, well, horse drawn. It was a 476 00:29:32,300 --> 00:29:32,510 horse 477 00:29:32,599 --> 00:29:35,179 drawn. It wasn't. Yeah, we weren't quite to the pedal 478 00:29:35,299 --> 00:29:39,439 tavern. This is the previous era. This is a previous. It was 479 00:29:39,439 --> 00:29:39,649 just a. 480 00:29:39,830 --> 00:29:42,580 It was just a buggy tavern at that point, yeah, with Woo 481 00:29:42,670 --> 00:29:44,140 girls, yeah. Because 482 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,900 we did used to have more horses, like yeah, this was this 483 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,960 was years back. We were coming off a 12th and turning onto 484 00:29:50,020 --> 00:29:52,720 Broadway, and the runaway horse is like heading right towards 485 00:29:52,750 --> 00:29:58,090 us. Oh my goodness! With the with the the the cart attached, 486 00:29:58,090 --> 00:30:01,530 the cart detached. I had. An old Dodge Durango at the time. 487 00:30:01,590 --> 00:30:04,410 That's what we were driving in it. Yeah, the car. The driver 488 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,050 had fallen off, like the hill. Oh 489 00:30:07,170 --> 00:30:07,680 my gosh! And 490 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,490 then there were still two people on it when it hit our car. And 491 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,700 then the the yeah the cart detached on the car, and then 492 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,180 the horse ran ran down to Demumbrian where somebody 493 00:30:18,180 --> 00:30:20,220 eventually caught up with it. But yeah. 494 00:30:21,329 --> 00:30:23,419 Now when you guys are in the studio, are you are you using 495 00:30:23,779 --> 00:30:27,199 the technology, like making sure you you land on the grid with 496 00:30:27,199 --> 00:30:30,139 the Pro Tools and all that stuff, and using a click, or is 497 00:30:30,289 --> 00:30:33,319 it like the old school where it's the band on the floor? You 498 00:30:33,349 --> 00:30:36,259 got visual cues and feel. Yeah, it's 499 00:30:36,380 --> 00:30:39,560 it's we go in and track with with the band. Yeah, and I mean 500 00:30:39,619 --> 00:30:43,629 we'll use a click a lot of the time, but there's some. You 501 00:30:43,629 --> 00:30:47,439 know, sometimes you have a song that that it doesn't really work 502 00:30:47,589 --> 00:30:51,699 for. So you know, we'll use a click, but we don't. We're yeah, 503 00:30:51,819 --> 00:30:56,439 we're not into like grid locking the whole thing. We we've done 504 00:30:56,469 --> 00:30:58,569 that before. We've done that before. Yeah, in some things, 505 00:30:58,629 --> 00:31:01,139 but I think I like it better this way. It's a little more. It 506 00:31:01,350 --> 00:31:04,530 was like we did it before on on a project, and it was like, 507 00:31:04,590 --> 00:31:09,270 well, I sang all these parts behind the beat for a reason, 508 00:31:09,270 --> 00:31:13,590 and we just moved them to like where I sang them. We perfected 509 00:31:13,830 --> 00:31:13,920 it 510 00:31:15,659 --> 00:31:18,629 because that's the thing is like with you know combating the AI 511 00:31:19,139 --> 00:31:22,939 uprising of all the people that are now songwriters, and I was-I 512 00:31:23,059 --> 00:31:24,709 guess some guy was wearing a shirt the other day. I gotta 513 00:31:24,799 --> 00:31:27,799 look it up, but he put-he spelled out Suno, and it was 514 00:31:27,829 --> 00:31:31,909 like songwriters, something like basically throwing shade on 515 00:31:31,969 --> 00:31:37,369 people who use Suno. In that case, my my hunch is that the 516 00:31:37,819 --> 00:31:40,419 live music experience is going to become so much more 517 00:31:40,449 --> 00:31:43,989 important, you know, especially in the studio with the human 518 00:31:44,109 --> 00:31:44,319 feel. 519 00:31:44,620 --> 00:31:48,190 I would, I would think, but I mean, it's so it's more 520 00:31:48,190 --> 00:31:51,370 important for me as an artist to do it that way, whether or not 521 00:31:52,150 --> 00:31:56,020 the audience is along. We'll, you know, we'll we'll see 522 00:31:56,170 --> 00:31:59,410 because it feels like that, you know, maybe younger people that 523 00:31:59,860 --> 00:32:03,300 that haven't grown up with the difference. It it may not. 524 00:32:04,710 --> 00:32:07,110 I don't know, man. I mean, it's like all the all the songs that 525 00:32:07,140 --> 00:32:10,530 we grew up with that that have that staying power were all 526 00:32:10,770 --> 00:32:11,970 imperfect songs. 527 00:32:12,089 --> 00:32:12,719 Oh, sure. You know 528 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:13,140 what I mean? 529 00:32:13,590 --> 00:32:16,050 I brought it up many times before on on the podcast, but 530 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,500 you know, you you listen to what I thought was a great record 531 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:24,200 back in the 60s, "Glad All Over by Dave Clark Five. I mean, it 532 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,310 wasn't perfect, but man, it had feel. It had life to it. 533 00:32:28,370 --> 00:32:30,110 Imperfectly perfect. Yeah, yeah. 534 00:32:31,580 --> 00:32:33,200 That's what we need to get back to. I think. 535 00:32:33,290 --> 00:32:36,410 Yeah. What are your thoughts on the whole AI thing that are 536 00:32:36,470 --> 00:32:36,770 happening? 537 00:32:39,469 --> 00:32:42,309 I mean, it helps me write emails. 538 00:32:44,350 --> 00:32:47,050 It does. It's a good tool, but when it comes to creativity, 539 00:32:47,170 --> 00:32:47,500 it's like 540 00:32:50,260 --> 00:32:53,980 well, it bothers me because Jay, you know, Jay sends me. He said, 541 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,680 "Man, listen to this new artist I just heard, and he sends me 542 00:32:56,830 --> 00:33:00,180 this email. I'm going, "Yeah, let's get this guy on, and then 543 00:33:00,180 --> 00:33:03,750 he comes back. He goes, "It's all AI. It doesn't even exist. 544 00:33:03,870 --> 00:33:04,170 Yeah, this 545 00:33:04,260 --> 00:33:07,380 was about a year ago. Yeah, I mean, it just sounded wonderful. 546 00:33:07,650 --> 00:33:11,850 It did. Yeah, fooled me, man. It fooled me as well. And then 547 00:33:11,909 --> 00:33:14,999 it pissed me off. Yeah, I know. Yeah, I kind of felt the same 548 00:33:15,179 --> 00:33:15,299 way. Yeah. 549 00:33:18,059 --> 00:33:21,889 So for your live performing, I mean, do you find that you do 550 00:33:21,949 --> 00:33:24,919 you have a preference? I mean, are you are you like studio 551 00:33:25,129 --> 00:33:27,769 rats, and you really love to get in there and tinker, or do you 552 00:33:27,889 --> 00:33:30,889 really just want to get out and perform for people live? I mean, 553 00:33:30,889 --> 00:33:31,759 do you have a preference? 554 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:37,550 Yeah, I mean, well, the we're trying to trying to marry the 555 00:33:37,670 --> 00:33:39,770 two where they kind of work together, you know, where you 556 00:33:39,890 --> 00:33:43,210 where you you go out and play live with the band, so you can 557 00:33:43,510 --> 00:33:45,760 develop the songs where they need to go, and then get back 558 00:33:45,820 --> 00:33:46,210 into the 559 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:46,540 yeah the 560 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,990 studio. And it's you know supposed to all 561 00:33:50,230 --> 00:33:54,220 yeah you can get sick of one or the other. So playing live is 562 00:33:54,399 --> 00:33:57,429 like the laboratory in a way. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's 563 00:33:57,580 --> 00:34:02,370 like the the get out there and and road test everything and and 564 00:34:02,850 --> 00:34:05,160 then go into the studio. You know, hopefully, if you have 565 00:34:05,220 --> 00:34:09,420 that, sometimes there's not that luxury. There's not enough dates 566 00:34:09,510 --> 00:34:11,880 booked. You know, before a session to get stuff locked in. 567 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,060 So you know, we just it's just easier to to rehearse it. But 568 00:34:15,510 --> 00:34:18,510 but yeah, it helps. It helps going out and playing stuff for 569 00:34:20,730 --> 00:34:23,330 and just to keep a you know keep a band together, I mean because 570 00:34:24,290 --> 00:34:26,960 we we've really you know played with the same band and really 571 00:34:27,110 --> 00:34:31,460 just got a really unique and cool situation that's pretty 572 00:34:31,490 --> 00:34:35,840 much perfect for what we do, and we just want to keep that going. 573 00:34:35,930 --> 00:34:39,560 So there's the the aspect of playing live, just you know, in 574 00:34:39,620 --> 00:34:42,370 order to just be able to keep a band together in order to go 575 00:34:42,430 --> 00:34:45,370 into the studio with, in order to make the record, in order to 576 00:34:45,430 --> 00:34:48,640 go out and tour for the record, and so on and so on. 577 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:54,759 So, you know, we talk a lot here on this podcast about radio. I 578 00:34:54,819 --> 00:34:58,629 mean, we both are radio guys, right? And Jim as well. Yeah. 579 00:34:59,289 --> 00:35:02,279 You know, the state. Radio these days. I mean, it's you know big 580 00:35:02,369 --> 00:35:05,999 discussion about music radio in particular. Yeah, 581 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:07,080 I miss it 582 00:35:07,230 --> 00:35:09,630 circling the drain with music radio. I mean, yeah, 583 00:35:09,810 --> 00:35:10,650 I mean, as an 584 00:35:11,159 --> 00:35:16,379 artist, I mean, are you finding that it is more and more or less 585 00:35:16,469 --> 00:35:19,439 and less important to get on radio? I mean, how does that 586 00:35:19,499 --> 00:35:21,079 affect what you guys are trying to do 587 00:35:22,070 --> 00:35:25,610 well. It's like if you're promoting in one area, then you 588 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,880 don't necessarily have the funds to promote. And you know, if you 589 00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:31,940 if you're working a if you're working a single through social 590 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,550 media, then then that's going to take away from the funds you 591 00:35:34,580 --> 00:35:39,680 have to put towards a radio campaign. And so it's it's kind 592 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,930 of hard to do both, and you make make choices each each single. 593 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,080 You know, we're gonna do. We've got a video for the the title 594 00:35:47,140 --> 00:35:50,410 track, the Sunshine Shop, and then you know we're wonder we're 595 00:35:50,530 --> 00:35:52,840 you know thinking toying with the idea of maybe you know 596 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,990 trying to work radio a little bit more on this time around, 597 00:35:56,020 --> 00:35:58,540 whereas we didn't on the previous singles because we were 598 00:35:59,350 --> 00:36:00,720 again putting all the energy and 599 00:36:01,140 --> 00:36:01,200 yeah, 600 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:05,220 it's. I mean, it's you know, it's very much a us doing 601 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:05,760 everything, 602 00:36:06,390 --> 00:36:11,130 right? Right. I mean, so you know who plays videos these 603 00:36:11,220 --> 00:36:11,700 days? Well, 604 00:36:11,850 --> 00:36:14,310 YouTube. Okay, I got you. But but as 605 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,740 far as like channels and things, yeah. Well, 606 00:36:17,099 --> 00:36:21,259 A C N A C N played the track with with Tess. Yeah, and and 607 00:36:21,409 --> 00:36:24,259 then I think they're going to take a look at the at the next 608 00:36:24,319 --> 00:36:27,559 one that comes out and and see if that fits their their format. 609 00:36:28,129 --> 00:36:33,679 It's you know it's mainly that with our our YouTube following, 610 00:36:33,799 --> 00:36:37,819 it's it's mainly we produce the videos for our our own YouTube 611 00:36:38,749 --> 00:36:40,599 channel in order to get 612 00:36:41,020 --> 00:36:41,050 the 613 00:36:41,620 --> 00:36:45,490 the songs out there, and we we we tend to do better at YouTube 614 00:36:45,550 --> 00:36:49,060 than than even Spotify or some of the other streaming. So so 615 00:36:49,150 --> 00:36:53,890 we've we've made a conscious decision to you know to focus on 616 00:36:54,070 --> 00:36:56,500 on having a video for each single. I think we've done like 617 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:56,830 five, 618 00:36:57,670 --> 00:36:57,730 yeah. 619 00:36:58,180 --> 00:37:00,780 This with this record, but we're but we're also doing the very 620 00:37:01,020 --> 00:37:07,710 simply with Nita. That does she shoots everything with iPhone 621 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:07,950 and 622 00:37:08,339 --> 00:37:08,399 yeah, 623 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:13,800 you know we're just trespassing on the parking lot of abandoned 624 00:37:13,830 --> 00:37:17,880 buildings and shooting covers. Obviously, a damn good cover. 625 00:37:18,090 --> 00:37:20,910 Yeah, very cool. And Nita shot that as well. Yeah, 626 00:37:21,269 --> 00:37:23,659 what's a great album? Plus, it to me, it's just like a 627 00:37:23,749 --> 00:37:27,469 throwback to when it was fun listening to music, you know, 628 00:37:27,859 --> 00:37:32,119 and you loved getting the cover and and looking it over. And I 629 00:37:32,179 --> 00:37:35,089 miss those days. Yeah, everybody's downloading now, and 630 00:37:35,779 --> 00:37:39,319 I'm still an old. People make fun of me because I still want 631 00:37:39,409 --> 00:37:42,429 vinyl. I still, you know, I'll still get a CD. Yeah, I saw 632 00:37:42,459 --> 00:37:44,949 a vinyl on my kitchen table the other day. My kids are still 633 00:37:45,039 --> 00:37:45,549 ordering it. 634 00:37:45,820 --> 00:37:46,210 Really, I don't 635 00:37:46,210 --> 00:37:48,370 know if they're listening to it, but they're ordering it. 636 00:37:48,969 --> 00:37:50,919 Just looking at it, maybe. Yeah. Now some 637 00:37:50,980 --> 00:37:53,110 people are. Yeah, I mean, there's been plenty of people 638 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,240 that that have you know bought one at a show, saying, "Well, I 639 00:37:55,300 --> 00:37:58,960 don't have a turntable, but you know, I want it as a you know 640 00:37:59,350 --> 00:38:03,300 yeah memento and or you know or somebody's a couple of people 641 00:38:03,390 --> 00:38:06,240 told me that they were going to go out and buy a turntable just 642 00:38:06,270 --> 00:38:07,320 to listen to the record. So 643 00:38:07,650 --> 00:38:08,970 well that we just sell 644 00:38:09,090 --> 00:38:11,760 turntables at the shows, huh? Yeah, there you go. Yeah, I 645 00:38:11,850 --> 00:38:12,690 think Jack White does 646 00:38:12,810 --> 00:38:13,260 that, doesn't 647 00:38:13,620 --> 00:38:18,480 it? Yeah, I think he does. Now, as as far as radio play, are you 648 00:38:18,540 --> 00:38:23,150 having great luck with Americana, like a WMOT here, and 649 00:38:23,540 --> 00:38:23,930 WMOT 650 00:38:24,380 --> 00:38:28,700 played. So WMOT played. I told a lie, kind of even prior to the 651 00:38:28,850 --> 00:38:35,690 album being released. WSM has played a couple of the tracks, 652 00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:39,020 and it's just you know various various places around. Yeah, we 653 00:38:39,140 --> 00:38:44,560 know people at in all of those those places, and and but you 654 00:38:44,590 --> 00:38:47,200 know, go back away. Coming up with a promotion 655 00:38:47,259 --> 00:38:50,889 strategy these days is so complicated compared to what it 656 00:38:50,919 --> 00:38:54,189 once was. I mean, what you know, get on radio. That that was the 657 00:38:54,339 --> 00:38:55,479 goal. Get on radio and 658 00:38:55,509 --> 00:38:57,219 then do a television spot. Yeah, yeah, 659 00:38:57,580 --> 00:39:00,540 you know, and go tour a little bit. Now it's like, all right, 660 00:39:00,570 --> 00:39:04,380 like you were saying, okay, do we go video promotion? Do we go 661 00:39:05,430 --> 00:39:09,930 record radio? Do we just do social media? Yeah, it's a yes. 662 00:39:10,380 --> 00:39:13,320 You got to weave yes to you. Got to weave through all of 663 00:39:13,350 --> 00:39:15,690 that, man. Yeah, and then and then you get to the point. Well, 664 00:39:16,110 --> 00:39:18,480 I could have made five albums for what this cost. Yeah, 665 00:39:18,780 --> 00:39:20,270 really. Well, I mean, 666 00:39:20,300 --> 00:39:22,400 there's an element of doing it organically. I'm looking at your 667 00:39:22,460 --> 00:39:25,730 Instagram right now. What's the strategy going into like a 668 00:39:25,820 --> 00:39:26,990 social media that you're doing? 669 00:39:28,820 --> 00:39:32,600 I have somebody doing it. There you go. That's a smart way. 670 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,080 Again, Nita, that Nita Nita, that's been shooting the videos 671 00:39:36,140 --> 00:39:41,440 and shot the cover. She's been managing the social media here 672 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,500 for like the last couple of years, and really sort of helped 673 00:39:44,740 --> 00:39:48,370 us sort of build it. And she's able to to just she's like a 674 00:39:48,430 --> 00:39:50,710 band member at this point. She just hops in the van with us 675 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:56,440 when we're going on on a date, and you know the iPhone makes it 676 00:39:56,650 --> 00:40:00,600 easy and not obtrusive. She can come in the studio and not. And 677 00:40:00,630 --> 00:40:01,740 be stealthy and 678 00:40:02,130 --> 00:40:02,190 yeah, 679 00:40:02,610 --> 00:40:06,210 and because that was you know that was part of the even before 680 00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:09,240 we cut the last EP, I was like, well, if we go in the studio, I 681 00:40:09,300 --> 00:40:13,200 need somebody to be able to film it, and I generally just don't 682 00:40:14,370 --> 00:40:17,610 like that. What is that? I generally want to be in the 683 00:40:17,610 --> 00:40:22,280 studio so that nobody bothers me. What is that? Like a 684 00:40:22,429 --> 00:40:25,759 typical approach to social media, a lot of people are 685 00:40:25,879 --> 00:40:28,639 either for it or against it, and I see a lot of artists doing 686 00:40:28,669 --> 00:40:30,979 this. One of them comes to mind is Ben Gallagher. He's 687 00:40:31,099 --> 00:40:33,469 constantly putting like different scenarios. Cool. I 688 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:34,610 wrote a song with him. 689 00:40:34,789 --> 00:40:38,719 Yeah, great, great dude, and he's a hell of a picker. But he 690 00:40:38,869 --> 00:40:41,919 basically puts videos of himself. He plays the same song, 691 00:40:42,369 --> 00:40:45,459 but in different scenarios. So he's kind of giving a sample of 692 00:40:45,489 --> 00:40:48,729 the goods, if you will. What's I mean? What do musicians take on 693 00:40:48,819 --> 00:40:52,629 that? You know, little small samples of the songs, putting 694 00:40:52,689 --> 00:40:55,239 videos out there on Instagram, TikTok, and all that kind of 695 00:40:55,269 --> 00:40:57,849 thing. Because I mean, when you guys play together just now, 696 00:40:58,059 --> 00:41:01,499 that's mesmerizing. Absolutely. Oh, 697 00:41:01,620 --> 00:41:01,920 it is. 698 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:02,160 Yeah. In 699 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,400 fact, that's when I first when I first saw these guys was in 700 00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:11,310 Deborah Evans Price's helm. She she'd have these I guess picking 701 00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:11,700 parties, 702 00:41:11,850 --> 00:41:13,530 guitar pool kind of yeah. And 703 00:41:13,620 --> 00:41:16,590 man, these guys. That's why I'm glad to get them in here today 704 00:41:16,740 --> 00:41:19,530 because I've always wanted to talk to them, but I didn't want 705 00:41:19,530 --> 00:41:24,020 to bother them at this gathering, but that was a great 706 00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,920 place to watch you guys because it's so intimate and really 707 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:32,600 showed me how talented you both were, and I felt very blessed to 708 00:41:32,630 --> 00:41:32,990 be there. 709 00:41:34,940 --> 00:41:37,820 Yeah, I mean that's a it's a very blessed place to be. 710 00:41:38,300 --> 00:41:41,050 It really can't believe Deborah's in the in the music 711 00:41:41,110 --> 00:41:44,320 business. She's just she's one of the. In fact, we're going to 712 00:41:44,350 --> 00:41:45,640 try to get her on the show. Oh, 713 00:41:46,210 --> 00:41:47,110 that'd be yeah, because she. 714 00:41:47,379 --> 00:41:51,459 I've known her for ever, and she is just one of the sweetest 715 00:41:51,489 --> 00:41:52,689 people on this planet. She's the 716 00:41:52,690 --> 00:41:53,770 best. She's she really, 717 00:41:54,070 --> 00:41:56,950 and I've never met anybody that loves music as much as she does. 718 00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:01,140 Oh, I know, I know. And the well, that that party. I mean, 719 00:42:01,380 --> 00:42:03,900 we've been. I mean, I'm sure you have too. We've been going to 720 00:42:04,050 --> 00:42:07,290 that party for years, and I just just remember we. That's where 721 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,900 we we met our drummer at that party one. Really? Yeah, 722 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:11,280 absolutely. Yeah, 723 00:42:11,550 --> 00:42:16,230 cool. He looks like a rocker. Well, what we ought to do 724 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:21,770 because we talk about doing this podcast live. If she ever has 725 00:42:21,860 --> 00:42:24,860 another one of those, I want to set up in that. 726 00:42:25,010 --> 00:42:25,610 Yeah, do a live. 727 00:42:25,759 --> 00:42:27,679 Yeah, because man, there's that'd be so cool. Yeah, because 728 00:42:27,739 --> 00:42:31,849 there's so much talent at this at this party, and it's just 729 00:42:31,969 --> 00:42:35,149 it's cool because it's laid back. Gary, your husband, makes 730 00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:36,829 these great dishes. Yeah, the 731 00:42:37,010 --> 00:42:37,250 gumbo. 732 00:42:37,580 --> 00:42:38,330 Yeah, oh yeah. 733 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:39,410 Where's this? 734 00:42:40,250 --> 00:42:43,480 Deborah Evans Price, she's um, gosh, she's been in the music 735 00:42:43,540 --> 00:42:44,980 business for such a long time. 736 00:42:45,490 --> 00:42:46,150 Journalist, been 737 00:42:46,660 --> 00:42:46,720 yeah 738 00:42:47,110 --> 00:42:49,180 writer for Billboard and other publications. 739 00:42:49,510 --> 00:42:49,810 When and 740 00:42:49,810 --> 00:42:52,210 when and where? Just tell me when. Yeah, have to be there. 741 00:42:52,300 --> 00:42:53,050 Well, they live 742 00:42:53,139 --> 00:42:54,669 in Nolensville, so well, 743 00:42:54,730 --> 00:42:58,120 used to always be in connection with Vernell's birthday party. 744 00:42:58,180 --> 00:43:02,130 Yeah, so it was it was always around like February, March, in 745 00:43:02,190 --> 00:43:04,320 there, but they're always 746 00:43:04,470 --> 00:43:04,800 fun. 747 00:43:05,460 --> 00:43:06,570 Oh, yeah, so much fun. 748 00:43:07,380 --> 00:43:11,760 In fact, I was nervous the first because she she goes on. Nobody 749 00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,640 knows me for that. I but gutters 750 00:43:14,730 --> 00:43:15,690 bring it anyway. But 751 00:43:15,930 --> 00:43:19,110 yeah, I did. So we but we had a lot of fun. In fact, you guys 752 00:43:19,860 --> 00:43:24,260 played with me on Copperhead Road, I think, and I did a John 753 00:43:24,350 --> 00:43:27,380 Lennon song. I think you you got to hide your love away. 754 00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:28,910 Okay, yeah, 755 00:43:30,110 --> 00:43:34,520 yeah, you remember. You want to forget, don't you? Well, all 756 00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:34,670 those 757 00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,520 parties kind of you know when you do something every year or 758 00:43:37,610 --> 00:43:40,360 something, they they start to run together and they they kind 759 00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,300 of live in their own. Yeah, they do, don't they? It's like 760 00:43:43,390 --> 00:43:47,020 Christmas. It kind of lives in its own space. Yeah, I always 761 00:43:47,050 --> 00:43:48,730 remember what happened which year. 762 00:43:49,570 --> 00:43:50,050 Yeah, I know. 763 00:43:51,939 --> 00:43:56,109 So, are there artists out there, guys, that today that really 764 00:43:56,379 --> 00:43:58,839 excite you? I mean, who do you guys listen to? 765 00:44:00,940 --> 00:44:01,860 I think it doesn't. I still 766 00:44:02,850 --> 00:44:02,910 no. 767 00:44:03,690 --> 00:44:06,780 Hey, Megadeth stole our our our video location. 768 00:44:07,110 --> 00:44:10,590 Dave Mustaine would probably beg to differ. I mean, he everyone 769 00:44:10,650 --> 00:44:12,000 stole from him, according to him. 770 00:44:13,590 --> 00:44:17,280 Well, we shot our video first, and but they got theirs out 771 00:44:17,340 --> 00:44:18,660 quicker. There you go. 772 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:20,970 For what video and what? For I told a 773 00:44:21,060 --> 00:44:21,120 lie. 774 00:44:21,660 --> 00:44:23,540 Uh huh. Would you? Dave did. 775 00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:26,540 Wow! 776 00:44:28,730 --> 00:44:29,000 There we go. 777 00:44:31,759 --> 00:44:36,019 Yeah, it was this. It's a skate park out behind. I don't know if 778 00:44:36,019 --> 00:44:41,709 I should say where it's at. Dave might be listening. Let's call 779 00:44:41,769 --> 00:44:42,339 the attorneys. 780 00:44:44,469 --> 00:44:46,899 So, what artists are you kind of marinating in? 781 00:44:49,450 --> 00:44:54,730 Charlie Rich. Yeah. Oh, yeah. The Silver Fox. Yeah. Yeah. We 782 00:44:54,820 --> 00:44:55,090 recently 783 00:44:55,209 --> 00:44:57,249 lost his son, Charlie Rich. 784 00:44:57,610 --> 00:45:00,810 I just saw that this morning. I did too. I didn't know that. 785 00:45:01,260 --> 00:45:06,390 Apparently, yeah, Charlie Rich Jr. passed away, which I never 786 00:45:07,260 --> 00:45:10,260 met him, but I knew of him, and I knew he always played, and he 787 00:45:10,290 --> 00:45:14,370 was a piano player as well, and and yeah, I I just saw that as 788 00:45:14,430 --> 00:45:14,550 well. 789 00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:14,820 Yeah, 790 00:45:16,860 --> 00:45:19,980 but yeah, just a lot of old, you know, a lot of the old stuff 791 00:45:20,130 --> 00:45:28,640 still. You're listening anything new? Dan Brady, 792 00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:29,060 just 793 00:45:30,710 --> 00:45:34,640 I don't know. I've I've been into some different kind of 794 00:45:34,910 --> 00:45:36,020 singer songwriters lately. 795 00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,920 I've listened to like every recorded version of the gospel 796 00:45:41,980 --> 00:45:48,130 song farther along in the last like week, because we're gonna 797 00:45:48,910 --> 00:45:52,360 we're gonna go to we're gonna go to Deborah. Do you know you know 798 00:45:52,420 --> 00:45:54,610 Deborah Allen? Oh yeah, yeah. She's been on our podcast. She 799 00:45:54,700 --> 00:45:57,220 has been on the podcast. Yeah, she's doing her gospel on this 800 00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,980 Sunday. Yeah, so we yeah we're gonna go and then we were like 801 00:46:00,190 --> 00:46:03,270 we just got to have a because it's Deborah anything can 802 00:46:03,330 --> 00:46:06,090 happen. We just got to have a gospel song like you know ready 803 00:46:06,660 --> 00:46:11,070 in the pocket. So I've listened to like every like every version 804 00:46:11,220 --> 00:46:14,580 I could possibly find of of that one song in the last the last 805 00:46:14,670 --> 00:46:14,760 week. 806 00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,000 At Franklin Theater, man, that's a cool place. 807 00:46:18,750 --> 00:46:18,810 Yeah, 808 00:46:19,050 --> 00:46:21,590 it's a hard place to pack though. I guess depending on the 809 00:46:21,830 --> 00:46:21,980 act. 810 00:46:22,100 --> 00:46:22,760 Yeah, you know. Oh, is 811 00:46:23,779 --> 00:46:26,959 it? It. I mean, well, a couple of the bands I saw there, the 812 00:46:27,109 --> 00:46:30,349 Huey band is playing there again this fall, and they want to try 813 00:46:30,379 --> 00:46:32,989 and pack it out two weeks ahead of time, and it's like, good 814 00:46:33,079 --> 00:46:37,399 luck. Yeah, it's. I don't know. It's just something about it, 815 00:46:37,429 --> 00:46:39,799 like during the week shows. I think. Yeah, I think you're 816 00:46:39,859 --> 00:46:43,629 right. Midday weeks, midday, mid the week shows. What kind of 817 00:46:43,629 --> 00:46:47,139 product you use in your hair, dude? You got you got a heck of 818 00:46:47,169 --> 00:46:50,859 a head of hair. It's anything. It's 819 00:46:50,950 --> 00:46:55,210 like a dry shampoo paste. I can't remember the name of it 820 00:46:55,210 --> 00:46:58,360 right now, but it's a it's a dry shampoo technically, but it's 821 00:46:58,450 --> 00:46:59,710 more like a pomade 822 00:47:00,460 --> 00:47:00,610 pomade 823 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:01,350 paste. 824 00:47:01,500 --> 00:47:05,040 That's what I use. Do you use any beard balm? Because you're 825 00:47:05,250 --> 00:47:07,320 you're getting and your beard looks great. You're using. 826 00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,600 You're getting jealous of the beard. I don't know. I can't get 827 00:47:09,630 --> 00:47:10,950 competitive bearding there at all. Yeah, 828 00:47:12,540 --> 00:47:15,240 it's it's the cheapest way to looks, Max. 829 00:47:17,340 --> 00:47:19,530 Because I'm looking at some of these pictures. I'm looking at 830 00:47:19,590 --> 00:47:22,700 your your piece that said shooting a photo shoot in your 831 00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:26,780 40s was like doing a show photo shoot in your 40s, but I mean, 832 00:47:26,780 --> 00:47:29,660 you guys look fantastic. You know, you got the sunglasses on. 833 00:47:29,720 --> 00:47:32,000 I mean, you got the like. You could be a you could be an 834 00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,870 ambassador for a cigar company, bearding products. Grew up in 835 00:47:35,930 --> 00:47:36,080 Tampa. 836 00:47:36,590 --> 00:47:38,540 Yeah, it's it's. I grew up in Tampa, I guess. 837 00:47:43,540 --> 00:47:45,040 I don't know. Competitive bearding could be in your 838 00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:45,730 future. You never know. 839 00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,960 Well, you know when we did the so when we did the test video, I 840 00:47:50,170 --> 00:47:52,060 was like, oh well, her grandmother did all the Kenny 841 00:47:52,150 --> 00:47:56,350 Rogers duets. I should let it get a little longer for that, 842 00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,200 and then I did, and then everybody liked it, so it stayed 843 00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:00,220 it stayed a little longer. 844 00:48:01,209 --> 00:48:03,869 Well, looks good on you, dude. I wish I get mine to do that. 845 00:48:04,470 --> 00:48:08,430 I I can't get past the lips. Yeah, it's like I get like you. 846 00:48:08,550 --> 00:48:09,990 You got to shave around. Yeah, 847 00:48:10,230 --> 00:48:10,920 I do. As soon as 848 00:48:10,950 --> 00:48:13,410 it starts going over the lip, you're like, oh, just it's just 849 00:48:13,410 --> 00:48:16,290 driving me nuts. But then in mine is really coarse. But 850 00:48:16,350 --> 00:48:18,810 you've got the part in the mustache. Oh yeah, it's freaking 851 00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:20,220 spot on. Both 852 00:48:20,459 --> 00:48:21,979 you guys, man, you look cool. 853 00:48:23,780 --> 00:48:26,990 God, man, you look cool too, Johnny. Oh 854 00:48:27,289 --> 00:48:28,549 yeah, thanks, man. I'm always 855 00:48:28,610 --> 00:48:31,130 wearing collared shirts that have logos on them, so I'm about 856 00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:32,060 as uncool as it gets. 857 00:48:32,570 --> 00:48:33,200 Yeah. Well, see, I'm 858 00:48:33,500 --> 00:48:38,840 shedding. For some reason, my beard's falling apart. Beard 859 00:48:38,870 --> 00:48:42,100 bomb, buddy. Solve all those. I guess so. I guess that's what I 860 00:48:42,190 --> 00:48:47,170 need. So, so you guys are are do you are you on the road a lot? 861 00:48:47,230 --> 00:48:47,950 Are you are you 862 00:48:51,010 --> 00:48:53,950 here and there, but not as you know not as much as as we we'd 863 00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:55,900 like to be here. We're trying you know we're trying to get out 864 00:48:55,990 --> 00:48:58,210 there a little bit more. Oh my God, we're going 865 00:48:58,210 --> 00:48:59,770 to solve that right here. Awesome, 866 00:49:00,220 --> 00:49:04,020 yeah. You know most of the most of the stuff we hit is sort of 867 00:49:04,050 --> 00:49:07,500 stuff we can get to and from Nashville pretty quickly, which 868 00:49:07,650 --> 00:49:09,420 is you know which is a good amount of places. But we're 869 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:15,060 trying to get out west maybe at the end of the year and supposed 870 00:49:15,060 --> 00:49:17,730 to maybe go to Lake Chapala, Mexico. Oh 871 00:49:19,049 --> 00:49:19,889 wow, we'll see if that 872 00:49:19,980 --> 00:49:23,150 we'll see if that works out, but yeah, 873 00:49:24,290 --> 00:49:24,680 very cool. 874 00:49:24,799 --> 00:49:26,839 I think I think it'll be cool. I don't know. I've watched a bunch 875 00:49:26,899 --> 00:49:30,649 of YouTube videos. Figure out where I'm going here. 876 00:49:30,980 --> 00:49:33,500 So, do you have any place that you love playing that you look 877 00:49:33,710 --> 00:49:37,220 forward to? Maybe we'll just take Nashville for instance. Is 878 00:49:37,340 --> 00:49:40,310 there a place in Nashville you like playing better than 879 00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:41,770 Brown's Diner, yeah. 880 00:49:42,310 --> 00:49:46,750 Oh, Brown's Diner. Oh my gosh, I haven't been there in so long. 881 00:49:46,990 --> 00:49:47,800 Oh, you should come next time 882 00:49:47,830 --> 00:49:49,540 we play. I will. Yeah, I haven't been 883 00:49:49,570 --> 00:49:50,770 there forever. Yeah, because I 884 00:49:50,890 --> 00:49:51,850 love the burgers, man. 885 00:49:52,389 --> 00:49:54,339 Yeah, they're still the same. You know, they they they they're 886 00:49:54,399 --> 00:49:58,269 still the same. They got Vince Gill's seal of approval. Well, 887 00:49:58,329 --> 00:49:59,919 in that case, I mean, come on. 888 00:50:00,870 --> 00:50:03,270 Where are they now? Where's Brown's? I've never heard of it. 889 00:50:03,300 --> 00:50:05,700 It is really. It's here that long. You haven't heard of 890 00:50:05,700 --> 00:50:05,880 Brown's. 891 00:50:05,940 --> 00:50:11,010 Yeah, it's right off 21st. It's in a. It's in a little white 892 00:50:11,100 --> 00:50:12,000 building, isn't it? Was 893 00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,270 it the original part's a train car, and that was that was the 894 00:50:15,420 --> 00:50:17,580 original restaurant. It's been there like 100 years almost. How 895 00:50:17,670 --> 00:50:18,690 the heck have I not heard of 896 00:50:18,869 --> 00:50:20,299 it? Yeah, I know. 10 years. Yeah, 897 00:50:20,660 --> 00:50:23,540 it's Nashville's old. It's like their the oldest beer license in 898 00:50:23,780 --> 00:50:26,870 Nashville or something. Really? Yeah, it's been a bar for like 899 00:50:26,900 --> 00:50:27,260 100 years. 900 00:50:27,290 --> 00:50:28,010 Oh yeah, we got to go. 901 00:50:28,430 --> 00:50:32,300 Yeah. Well, in fact, I've in fact one time they had a because 902 00:50:32,330 --> 00:50:35,810 I never bet. I'm not a betting person, but they they were 903 00:50:35,930 --> 00:50:39,650 betting on the Kentucky Derby and they asked me if I wanted 904 00:50:39,710 --> 00:50:45,520 to, and I so I did. I picked the last horse nobody wanted. I won. 905 00:50:46,420 --> 00:50:50,110 Oh wow! I won 200 bucks. Nice. Yeah, very nice. Always remember 906 00:50:50,230 --> 00:50:53,950 that. Terry, the guy behind the bar. Terry still there? Terry's 907 00:50:53,950 --> 00:50:56,950 still there. Terry's still there. I love him, man. You guys 908 00:50:57,130 --> 00:50:58,810 like Waylon Jennings. You guys been 909 00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,290 following the World Cup? Any big fans, soccer fans? 910 00:51:01,950 --> 00:51:05,700 No, I'm completely oblivious to all that. Same here. I'm with 911 00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,610 you. I'm I'm going to a soccer game, but I don't think it's 912 00:51:08,700 --> 00:51:10,170 part of the World Cup. You're going to 913 00:51:10,259 --> 00:51:10,829 see Liverpool 914 00:51:11,100 --> 00:51:11,430 next. 915 00:51:11,610 --> 00:51:11,790 Is it 916 00:51:12,090 --> 00:51:14,730 next month or a couple weeks? Nashville up at Nashville 917 00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:14,910 Yottas. 918 00:51:15,300 --> 00:51:16,200 I'm going tonight, actually. 919 00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:20,180 Cool. Yeah. This this is uh this is a couple weeks from now. My 920 00:51:20,210 --> 00:51:23,270 my stepdad and my my youngest brother are coming up for it, 921 00:51:23,270 --> 00:51:25,820 and I and so they're taking me along. 922 00:51:26,210 --> 00:51:28,940 Yeah, did you guys play sports when you were kids? Athletic at 923 00:51:28,940 --> 00:51:29,000 all? 924 00:51:29,839 --> 00:51:32,089 Not not especially no well t ball. Not well. 925 00:51:35,870 --> 00:51:39,380 I I feel your pain right there with you. 926 00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:40,420 Roller hockey 927 00:51:42,489 --> 00:51:48,309 in the 90s. I sold pot to the football players. All I did. 928 00:51:50,109 --> 00:51:52,269 They really liked me. I played in some marching bands. 929 00:51:55,270 --> 00:51:57,940 Yeah, eighth grade. What you played in marching bands? Yeah, 930 00:51:58,030 --> 00:51:58,840 I played saxophone. 931 00:52:00,219 --> 00:52:03,269 I played saxophone in the fourth grade. I told my mom I wanted to 932 00:52:03,299 --> 00:52:06,029 play the drums, and she's like, "Ah, they're too loud. I like 933 00:52:06,179 --> 00:52:08,549 the saxophone. Oh yeah, that makes sense. That sounds 934 00:52:08,610 --> 00:52:10,680 pretty loud. Yeah, I know. Yeah, yeah, because 935 00:52:10,739 --> 00:52:14,609 squeaky notes coming out of my room for six months, and yeah, 936 00:52:14,639 --> 00:52:17,639 it lasted about six months. I'm like, dude, I am a drummer, and 937 00:52:17,789 --> 00:52:20,719 she's like, oh, they're too loud. Drums are loud. They 938 00:52:20,809 --> 00:52:24,649 finally they they acquiesced in 2011 no 20 when I was 11 years 939 00:52:24,739 --> 00:52:27,379 old so I'm a I'm a drummer but I'm not a musician. 940 00:52:27,740 --> 00:52:31,400 My parents bought me a drum set after because I I took up cornet 941 00:52:32,450 --> 00:52:37,700 in fourth grade and dad said he wants to play drums yeah he 942 00:52:37,820 --> 00:52:40,870 can't play cornet worth a damn do you remember anybody in like 943 00:52:41,110 --> 00:52:41,410 elementary 944 00:52:41,529 --> 00:52:45,159 school, nobody played guitar or bass in the band. No, except 945 00:52:45,159 --> 00:52:46,959 when they got to like middle school and high school. Yeah, 946 00:52:47,319 --> 00:52:47,469 you know. 947 00:52:47,950 --> 00:52:48,160 Oh yeah, 948 00:52:49,180 --> 00:52:51,790 didn't wanted to get too risque back in the 70s and 80s. 949 00:52:52,420 --> 00:52:55,810 Well, back when I was playing music, I I actually played 950 00:52:55,870 --> 00:53:01,680 behind a guy that he was a singer, and he happened to be 951 00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:06,150 gay, so he was, and he wasn't. You know, the girls loved him, 952 00:53:06,300 --> 00:53:10,050 but I thought, well, hell, I want to do that because I can 953 00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,120 get the girls better because nobody's paying attention to me 954 00:53:12,240 --> 00:53:18,900 back here. Don't you guys find that you wanted to be front men, 955 00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:20,100 get the chance? 956 00:53:22,290 --> 00:53:23,420 I've always been a fan. 957 00:53:26,359 --> 00:53:32,659 Boy, this conversation just kind of came to a calm. Leave it to 958 00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:37,429 me to do that. No wonder I got yanked off the radio. Family at 959 00:53:37,550 --> 00:53:41,440 all got wives, girlfriends, anything like that? No, I've got 960 00:53:41,470 --> 00:53:41,500 a 961 00:53:41,530 --> 00:53:42,040 girlfriend. 962 00:53:42,429 --> 00:53:42,519 Nice. 963 00:53:43,900 --> 00:53:47,530 I've got a band. That's your wife. 964 00:53:49,959 --> 00:53:53,169 That that's enough. It is. It's running a business is what 965 00:53:53,199 --> 00:53:55,089 you're doing. I mean, that's a lot of people herding cats 966 00:53:55,150 --> 00:53:55,810 is what I'm doing. 967 00:53:59,050 --> 00:53:59,110 Wow. 968 00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:00,330 Oh, right on. 969 00:54:02,580 --> 00:54:05,280 Well, this is the album right here, and I want you guys to go 970 00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:08,880 out and get it because these guys are great, and it's been a 971 00:54:08,970 --> 00:54:10,410 pleasure to have you both on with 972 00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,500 us. Yeah, absolutely, and it's cool that you've done the vinyl 973 00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:18,270 and the you know the the whole package here. You think CDs 974 00:54:18,330 --> 00:54:23,900 will ever make a comeback? There's some so you know the new 975 00:54:25,370 --> 00:54:28,460 the new Wayland things issued on cassette tape, right? Yeah, it 976 00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:29,300 is. Yeah, yeah. 977 00:54:30,020 --> 00:54:32,330 It's not like the isn't that the worst possible medium that you 978 00:54:32,330 --> 00:54:33,860 could put it out on. I know 979 00:54:34,309 --> 00:54:36,709 it's it's really cool looking. I I really want one though. Like 980 00:54:36,889 --> 00:54:39,889 like it's got like this blue label. Yeah, I want one for. I'm 981 00:54:39,979 --> 00:54:40,779 looking forward to that, 982 00:54:40,779 --> 00:54:45,909 and plus a good friend of mine, he Waylon cut "Born Too Late" 983 00:54:46,029 --> 00:54:50,079 like years ago, and the guy that wrote that, Zach Van Arsdale, 984 00:54:50,199 --> 00:54:54,639 has been begging them to put it out, and they never have. He's 985 00:54:54,759 --> 00:54:57,849 finally getting it on this Diamonds album. Cool, awesome. 986 00:54:57,849 --> 00:54:59,829 I'm looking forward to that. That's going to be a good album, 987 00:54:59,859 --> 00:55:00,269 Mike. Cool. 988 00:55:00,420 --> 00:55:02,460 Yeah, yeah. I really enjoyed the the last one. That was 989 00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:03,510 oh, I did too. 990 00:55:04,170 --> 00:55:06,750 Yeah, that was that was a trip. It was. Are 991 00:55:07,170 --> 00:55:09,330 you guys really in tune with like the songwriter community 992 00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:09,570 here? 993 00:55:10,769 --> 00:55:13,949 I mean, I live on Music Row, so I run into like songwriters. 994 00:55:14,039 --> 00:55:17,189 Yeah, but I don't. We we haven't done much last few years. 995 00:55:17,219 --> 00:55:20,869 Haven't done much like co writing or anything like that 996 00:55:20,899 --> 00:55:23,209 again, because we're just mainly kind of writing for 997 00:55:23,570 --> 00:55:23,990 yourselves 998 00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:29,480 for ourselves, but but yeah, I mean, I I enjoy sort of being 999 00:55:30,530 --> 00:55:34,310 amongst all the all the writers down there and talking shop with 1000 00:55:34,370 --> 00:55:35,150 people that I run into. 1001 00:55:35,720 --> 00:55:38,000 On another podcast of mine, this is has something to do with 1002 00:55:38,090 --> 00:55:43,270 songwriting, I promise. We had George Burge on, and he was 1003 00:55:43,330 --> 00:55:47,080 talking about a story about. I guess he signed up for TikTok, 1004 00:55:47,140 --> 00:55:49,450 and one of the first things that he came across because he put 1005 00:55:49,510 --> 00:55:52,300 one of some one of his interests was country music. He came 1006 00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:56,200 across a troll, if you will, talking about how modern country 1007 00:55:56,200 --> 00:56:00,510 music is nothing but beer, beer, truck, truck, dirt, dirt. So 1008 00:56:00,570 --> 00:56:03,600 he's like, all right, and he wrote a song and actually 1009 00:56:03,690 --> 00:56:06,930 recorded it and tagged her in it. He says, I I put it out 1010 00:56:06,990 --> 00:56:10,020 there, and the next morning it had 3 million views. Wow! And 1011 00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:12,720 she actually cut, you know, got back to him. They says he says, 1012 00:56:12,780 --> 00:56:15,870 you know what? I put it out and I credited her as a as a co 1013 00:56:16,050 --> 00:56:20,190 writer on it. I'm like, that's cool, man. Only in Nashville on 1014 00:56:20,460 --> 00:56:20,550 that 1015 00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:23,690 app. Well, that's a great thing about Nashville is that it's 1016 00:56:23,900 --> 00:56:27,920 it's always had a good vibe about it as far as creativity 1017 00:56:28,130 --> 00:56:28,250 and 1018 00:56:29,240 --> 00:56:31,730 yeah community yeah that's that's the thing yeah I mean I 1019 00:56:31,820 --> 00:56:35,090 think that's the thing that that you probably miss in those other 1020 00:56:36,260 --> 00:56:42,580 music music hubs not that I mean I don't know that there are any 1021 00:56:42,610 --> 00:56:45,010 other I think this I mean Nashville everybody's kind of 1022 00:56:45,490 --> 00:56:46,690 kind of here now I don't New York 1023 00:56:46,749 --> 00:56:48,879 and LA are the only other two really those the only other 1024 00:56:48,970 --> 00:56:53,380 two and I don't know how much like organic scene there is you 1025 00:56:53,410 --> 00:56:56,830 know I mean not that there's organic scene here right well 1026 00:56:57,010 --> 00:56:57,310 Austin 1027 00:56:57,610 --> 00:56:59,620 Austin is kind of like the sister city to Nashville yeah 1028 00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:00,100 yeah 1029 00:57:01,150 --> 00:57:03,210 but it's been a few years since I've been to Austin. I'm sure 1030 00:57:03,330 --> 00:57:03,450 it's 1031 00:57:03,689 --> 00:57:03,749 yeah, 1032 00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:05,370 it's changed a lot. A lot 1033 00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:09,390 of data centers. Yeah, probably so. I just hope 1034 00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:13,350 Nashville doesn't lose that vibe. I hope it doesn't with 1035 00:57:13,980 --> 00:57:18,720 what's happening with it. Plus, I hated seeing like Sound Shop. 1036 00:57:19,110 --> 00:57:22,070 I was on the air one day and they were tearing down Sound 1037 00:57:22,190 --> 00:57:24,080 Shop. God, that broke my heart. Yeah, 1038 00:57:24,290 --> 00:57:27,230 yeah, we spent a lot of time in Sound Shop. Yeah, we recorded. 1039 00:57:27,470 --> 00:57:28,220 That was the first 1040 00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:30,680 after we moved to Nashville. That was the first real studio 1041 00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:31,820 we recorded in, and 1042 00:57:31,970 --> 00:57:34,970 it had such history. I mean, Paul McCartney wrote recorded 1043 00:57:35,030 --> 00:57:37,700 there in Alabama. I mean, so many people. 1044 00:57:37,850 --> 00:57:39,410 You had Brooks and Dunn, and let's put 1045 00:57:39,499 --> 00:57:43,599 up a and let's put up an East Berlin-looking condo. You need 1046 00:57:43,629 --> 00:57:43,689 to 1047 00:57:43,930 --> 00:57:47,110 you need to get like the National Historic Registry of 1048 00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:50,230 Places to get on these things. You know, for all these like 1049 00:57:50,410 --> 00:57:51,820 legendary studios. 1050 00:57:52,479 --> 00:57:56,529 It's like some some do and some don't. It's Ocean Way is 1051 00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:57,190 one of them, right? 1052 00:57:58,359 --> 00:58:01,049 Oceanway. Yeah, I mean it's well, it's still there. It's 1053 00:58:01,290 --> 00:58:04,110 affiliated with Belmont, I think. So it's kind of, 1054 00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:07,770 but I think it's a historic landmark. Yeah, I believe. I'm 1055 00:58:07,770 --> 00:58:08,070 not sure. 1056 00:58:08,279 --> 00:58:10,919 I mean, it should be if it isn't by now. No, they all 1057 00:58:11,070 --> 00:58:14,190 should be. You know, because even Porter Wagner's studio got 1058 00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,680 torn down, and I'm thinking, gosh, man, that there was so 1059 00:58:16,740 --> 00:58:18,450 much history. Yeah, the little corner 1060 00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:22,680 that I mean, I go to the the Well Coffee Shop on Misa Grove 1061 00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:25,190 every morning. That corner across from there was Ray 1062 00:58:25,310 --> 00:58:27,980 Stevens's office and studio forever. 1063 00:58:28,339 --> 00:58:28,399 Yeah, 1064 00:58:30,890 --> 00:58:33,140 yeah. I mean, we you know we live on Music Grove, so there's 1065 00:58:33,170 --> 00:58:35,840 a lot of yeah, a lot of stuff getting getting torn down. And 1066 00:58:36,110 --> 00:58:38,750 again, I mean, that's kind of the that was kind of the the 1067 00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,460 deal with the with the album cover, was we you know there's 1068 00:58:42,490 --> 00:58:46,090 this place, the Sunshine Shop on Church Street, and I was like, 1069 00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:49,360 well, it's it's not long for this world, so let's go, let's 1070 00:58:49,420 --> 00:58:51,970 go shoot a shoot an album cover there. 1071 00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:56,140 It's crazy how this town has just changed in just the time 1072 00:58:56,260 --> 00:58:56,950 I've been here. Oh, 1073 00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:58,540 it is. I mean, it was kind 1074 00:58:58,570 --> 00:59:00,760 of it was kind of cool. I remember my first boss in radio. 1075 00:59:00,820 --> 00:59:05,070 He says it's nice to work at a city that had a skyline, and he 1076 00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:07,500 moved to Hart. I started in Danbury, Connecticut. He went up 1077 00:59:07,530 --> 00:59:09,510 to Hartford, and he's like, "It's nice to have a skyline. 1078 00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:13,770 Hartford had a skyline, and the next town I moved to was Vegas. 1079 00:59:13,860 --> 00:59:15,750 I'm like, "Well, I guess you could call that a skyline. It's 1080 00:59:15,870 --> 00:59:19,770 you know the desert and it's casinos. But moving here, when 1081 00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:23,660 we got on the G Jack for a tour down the river. That's when I 1082 00:59:23,810 --> 00:59:26,510 like you see Nashville all lit up with the. I'm like, that's a 1083 00:59:26,540 --> 00:59:30,110 skyline. Yeah, you know. Now it's so changed. Now it's 1084 00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:31,340 unrecognizable 1085 00:59:31,700 --> 00:59:32,270 skyline. 1086 00:59:32,390 --> 00:59:36,560 I saw something from gosh, he was on. He was one of the news 1087 00:59:36,650 --> 00:59:38,450 guys, Bob something, Bob Bueller. 1088 00:59:38,870 --> 00:59:42,100 I think it was him. He posted a picture from 1984. 1089 00:59:42,339 --> 00:59:44,229 It was him. Did you see that? Yeah, I did. Where 1090 00:59:44,290 --> 00:59:46,960 it was like nothing but the Ryman in the background. Yeah, 1091 00:59:46,990 --> 00:59:49,960 that was him. Oh yeah, and it probably had boards on the 1092 00:59:50,050 --> 00:59:51,280 windows. I'm sure. Yeah, the 1093 00:59:51,730 --> 00:59:53,050 windows were knocked out. Yeah, 1094 00:59:53,650 --> 00:59:55,540 I remember that. Yeah, and that 1095 00:59:55,570 --> 00:59:59,770 was sad because you talk about a great venue. Gosh, and yeah, I 1096 00:59:59,800 --> 00:59:59,920 mean. 1097 01:00:00,060 --> 01:00:00,900 Luckily, that luckily, 1098 01:00:02,159 --> 01:00:04,679 you know what was really bizarre to me was going to the Ryman to 1099 01:00:04,769 --> 01:00:08,069 see Alice Cooper, dude. I saw Anthrax at the 1100 01:00:08,219 --> 01:00:08,519 Ryman. 1101 01:00:08,940 --> 01:00:12,660 I saw Ted Nugent, and I had to leave. I saw that advertised, 1102 01:00:12,660 --> 01:00:13,470 and I was like, "Take my 1103 01:00:13,590 --> 01:00:15,030 money! They're going to wreck this place! 1104 01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:16,020 My 1105 01:00:16,620 --> 01:00:17,040 gosh! Well, Ted 1106 01:00:17,250 --> 01:00:20,130 Nugent just about did because we walked in, and I forgot 1107 01:00:20,430 --> 01:00:26,540 earplugs, and he was playing stadium. Really, he was. I mean, 1108 01:00:26,540 --> 01:00:29,690 it was so you couldn't discern anything. I mean, I loved Ted, 1109 01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:33,680 okay, but oh, I had to leave, and then even well, the the 1110 01:00:34,220 --> 01:00:38,870 bodyguard from Inconsistent Truth was there. Oh, really? 1111 01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:41,650 Yeah, and he said, "You leaving? He said, "I thought you were a 1112 01:00:41,740 --> 01:00:43,480 rocker. I said, "I am, but 1113 01:00:43,749 --> 01:00:45,399 holy crap, this is-I'm going 1114 01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:48,880 to be deaf if I don't get out of here. 1115 01:00:49,060 --> 01:00:52,450 Rush was always liked. I always forgot how loud Rush was until I 1116 01:00:52,540 --> 01:00:55,000 went to go see them. I saw him probably like eight times, and 1117 01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,670 I'm like, "Gosh, I forget by forgetting how loud these guys 1118 01:00:57,850 --> 01:00:59,620 are. You know, amazingly, one of 1119 01:00:59,620 --> 01:01:04,740 the loudest shows I ever went to was Heart at at Starwood 1120 01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:08,700 Amphitheater. Yeah, I mean, I I couldn't hear for like three 1121 01:01:08,790 --> 01:01:10,200 days. You gotta wonder 1122 01:01:10,229 --> 01:01:13,049 if that's like you know like the front of house guys. Like, nope. 1123 01:01:13,139 --> 01:01:15,989 I mean, it's pretty much we're riding these gain levels like 1124 01:01:16,259 --> 01:01:19,019 normal. It's just something maybe about the air quality or 1125 01:01:19,109 --> 01:01:21,829 something, wavelength travel or something. 1126 01:01:22,010 --> 01:01:24,500 It's weird because I don't think shows are. I feel like shows 1127 01:01:24,620 --> 01:01:27,590 aren't in general. They're not as loud as they used to be. Like 1128 01:01:27,650 --> 01:01:28,700 in the 90s, they're not. Well, they're 1129 01:01:28,789 --> 01:01:29,899 not. No, like in the 1130 01:01:29,900 --> 01:01:30,680 90s, you would get. 1131 01:01:31,130 --> 01:01:34,040 And well, the other thing is, is, is like when you go see a 1132 01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:39,140 rock band now, with and and I, I get it because logistics of 1133 01:01:39,170 --> 01:01:41,530 travel, where there's not any amps on the stage where 1134 01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:42,070 everything's 1135 01:01:42,610 --> 01:01:42,670 no 1136 01:01:43,090 --> 01:01:46,360 everything's coming out of the the front of house. You're not 1137 01:01:46,450 --> 01:01:48,520 feeling that air move from amps 1138 01:01:48,910 --> 01:01:48,970 yeah 1139 01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:50,170 on the stage. You're not 1140 01:01:50,289 --> 01:01:54,039 getting that deep purple effect yeah yeah or the wall of guitar 1141 01:01:54,279 --> 01:01:55,929 amps that like one of them was only 1142 01:01:55,930 --> 01:01:56,830 one was functional 1143 01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:57,100 yeah 1144 01:01:57,970 --> 01:02:00,990 so but yeah there's been a few rock bands lately have, but it 1145 01:02:01,020 --> 01:02:01,890 seems just 1146 01:02:01,950 --> 01:02:05,970 technology. They, you can, you know, you you don't have to be 1147 01:02:06,060 --> 01:02:07,260 as loud now to hear everything. 1148 01:02:09,599 --> 01:02:11,819 Well, Alex Van Halen talked about like in his modern drummer 1149 01:02:11,909 --> 01:02:14,579 interview in the 90s. He talked about how every tour, he's like, 1150 01:02:14,639 --> 01:02:18,059 yeah, you know, my my monitors start out around two or three. 1151 01:02:18,719 --> 01:02:22,819 This is by the end of the tour, it's like a 10. It blasts out 1152 01:02:22,849 --> 01:02:23,239 his hearing, 1153 01:02:23,870 --> 01:02:25,850 and that's why he's having ear problems. Right. 1154 01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:30,710 Right. Yeah. What's like a dream place to play for you guys? 1155 01:02:31,310 --> 01:02:32,270 That's on your bucket list. 1156 01:02:32,660 --> 01:02:34,910 I keep saying the Tampa theater because I know that they're 1157 01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:38,630 redoing it, and I know they're having bands there. And I've 1158 01:02:38,810 --> 01:02:40,960 always, and I grew up going to that that theater, and I've 1159 01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:45,850 always wanted to to play there. It's kind of like a sister 1160 01:02:45,940 --> 01:02:48,460 theater to like the Fox in Atlanta or something. It's that 1161 01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:54,370 same same era, same design. And then any other dream venue? I 1162 01:02:54,430 --> 01:02:58,450 mean, you know, I don't know. I'm happy to play anywhere, 1163 01:02:58,540 --> 01:03:00,360 anytime. I tell 1164 01:03:00,390 --> 01:03:03,450 you, great theater here locally, and I would love to see you guys 1165 01:03:03,570 --> 01:03:05,880 play there. Is the Temple Theater in Portland? It is 1166 01:03:06,900 --> 01:03:10,020 beautiful. Crill, okay, yeah, we got to get you in there. All 1167 01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:12,180 right, because I know those guys. So it's way up there. 1168 01:03:12,750 --> 01:03:15,420 Yeah, it's way up there. But I go, yeah, because I it is 1169 01:03:16,260 --> 01:03:20,190 phenomenal. It's got it's an old theater, and they reopened it, 1170 01:03:20,220 --> 01:03:21,290 and gosh, it's beautiful. 1171 01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:25,430 Yeah, Chris Gold, and it's been on our podcast. Chris, Chris 1172 01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:27,350 plays up there from time to time. 1173 01:03:27,470 --> 01:03:30,320 Okay, yeah, it's the the Temple Theater in Portland. Yeah, yeah, 1174 01:03:31,070 --> 01:03:32,120 I'll yeah, I'll check that out. 1175 01:03:32,690 --> 01:03:34,400 Well, I'll make it happen. I really 1176 01:03:34,460 --> 01:03:38,000 like that new Harkin Hall venue up in Madison. 1177 01:03:38,749 --> 01:03:39,199 I haven't heard 1178 01:03:39,679 --> 01:03:42,609 of it. Yeah, it's a pretty cool little. Saw Gene Watts in there. 1179 01:03:44,019 --> 01:03:45,999 Wow, it's a brand. It's a brand new. Yeah, it's a brand new 1180 01:03:47,229 --> 01:03:50,289 venue built from the ground up. They're bringing back Music City 1181 01:03:50,379 --> 01:03:52,509 roots and oh cool. Yeah. 1182 01:03:53,710 --> 01:03:56,290 Have you guys seen the new one that's called The Truth? That's 1183 01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:57,880 in the Wedgewood, Houston. So haven't 1184 01:03:58,630 --> 01:04:01,980 seen. I mean, I've seen them or heard about it and seen them 1185 01:04:02,220 --> 01:04:03,840 building it, but is yeah. My 1186 01:04:03,870 --> 01:04:06,840 my wife was looking around. She's like, Sting is coming to 1187 01:04:06,870 --> 01:04:10,110 this place called the Truth. I said, Really? Is that playing 1188 01:04:10,230 --> 01:04:13,140 Bridgestone or anything like that, or the the Ryman? What's 1189 01:04:13,140 --> 01:04:16,560 the Truth? We look it up and it's like you know, in you know 1190 01:04:16,650 --> 01:04:19,410 where the sounds used to play right around the corner. Oh wow! 1191 01:04:19,950 --> 01:04:23,330 And I'm going. What the heck is there? And it's like it's a 1192 01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:25,700 little club kind of thing, club feel. Yeah. Well, it's 1193 01:04:26,060 --> 01:04:30,050 Live Nations. It's Live Nations. Okay. So yeah, it's like 1194 01:04:31,550 --> 01:04:31,730 that's how 1195 01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:32,780 they're getting these big acts then. 1196 01:04:33,290 --> 01:04:34,070 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And 1197 01:04:34,190 --> 01:04:38,600 the tickets are $850. Yeah. The more intimate feel you want, the 1198 01:04:38,750 --> 01:04:41,230 higher you guys. It's so that all the because like 1199 01:04:41,650 --> 01:04:47,350 the what the AEG has the Pinnacle and then Ryman still 1200 01:04:47,410 --> 01:04:51,850 has the Ryman and then Live Nation needed a needed a Ryman 1201 01:04:51,940 --> 01:04:53,440 size venue so they just built one. 1202 01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:55,780 Well, they're selling it now. I guess Ryman is selling the 1203 01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:58,540 Ryman. They're selling the steak. I think yeah. There's 1204 01:04:59,110 --> 01:05:01,260 what what what what. Are they selling exactly the rhyming or 1205 01:05:01,290 --> 01:05:04,260 the or the offer? Both, both, both, yeah, both. 1206 01:05:05,460 --> 01:05:05,880 Cool. Well, 1207 01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:11,670 every guy's got some investment money. Go into it. Yeah, 1208 01:05:11,999 --> 01:05:17,039 I guess we all pooled. What do they call it? The being Disney. 1209 01:05:17,549 --> 01:05:21,469 Disney presents the rhyming. We would like 1/1000 of a share, 1210 01:05:21,619 --> 01:05:24,199 please. And then after we do that, we'll be living with Jesse 1211 01:05:24,289 --> 01:05:28,429 on Music Road because we won't have our homes anymore. Well, 1212 01:05:28,519 --> 01:05:30,949 guys, I guess we should wrap this up so you guys can get 1213 01:05:31,009 --> 01:05:34,399 along with your lives. But we've enjoyed it so much. I hope you 1214 01:05:34,459 --> 01:05:35,749 guys have as well. Yes, 1215 01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:38,390 it's been fun. Well, very cool. And Sunshine 1216 01:05:38,540 --> 01:05:41,680 Shop, please go out and buy it because these guys are 1217 01:05:41,770 --> 01:05:44,470 phenomenal, and you need to experience them for yourself, 1218 01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:47,800 and go see them anytime they're coming near you to play. 1219 01:05:48,130 --> 01:05:49,870 How do people find and follow you? What's the best time? 1220 01:05:50,380 --> 01:05:53,770 Jesse and noah.com, and then we're on all of the socials, and 1221 01:05:53,830 --> 01:05:55,420 we're streaming on all the platforms. 1222 01:05:55,510 --> 01:05:57,190 Well, I just went ahead and followed you, son. Cool. One 1223 01:05:57,400 --> 01:05:57,580 more. 1224 01:05:57,850 --> 01:06:00,840 Yeah, I've been following you guys for a while, so it's really 1225 01:06:00,900 --> 01:06:04,260 cool to to finally meet you. Yeah, yeah, very cool. Well, 1226 01:06:04,260 --> 01:06:04,350 it's 1227 01:06:04,380 --> 01:06:06,720 good to finally get to talk to you after seeing you at 1228 01:06:06,780 --> 01:06:09,780 Deborah's parties. But see, they're always people are always 1229 01:06:09,990 --> 01:06:13,440 around them talking, and I don't want to interrupt. So now I get 1230 01:06:14,370 --> 01:06:16,680 to. So next time I go to the party, I can talk. Just gonna 1231 01:06:16,770 --> 01:06:19,650 butter right in. I'm gonna butt right in. Hey, these guys were 1232 01:06:19,740 --> 01:06:21,350 on my podcast. Well, hey guys, I 1233 01:06:21,410 --> 01:06:23,270 mean, maybe we do something a little different, Johnny. I 1234 01:06:23,330 --> 01:06:26,150 mean, not to spring something on you, but is there another tune 1235 01:06:26,210 --> 01:06:30,140 that you might want to play to kind of play us out here? Play 1236 01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:32,150 us out, doing something a little different. I 1237 01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:37,790 love it. Take a request. Yeah, I told a lie. Let's there you 1238 01:06:37,820 --> 01:06:39,620 go. Tuning. 1239 01:06:41,180 --> 01:06:43,630 All right. Yeah, it has been terrific to have you guys. 1240 01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:18,780 I told a lie every time I said I didn't love you. You know I 1241 01:07:19,260 --> 01:07:32,450 didn't mean it at all. Don't wanna see you cry. I told a lie 1242 01:07:36,770 --> 01:07:41,980 every damn time I said I love you. Something always happened 1243 01:07:42,130 --> 01:07:47,470 to me to make me a fool. I promised myself from then on I'd 1244 01:07:47,710 --> 01:08:03,990 play it cool. So I told a lie every time I said I didn't love 1245 01:08:04,110 --> 01:08:19,350 you. You looked I didn't mean it at all. Don't wanna see you cry. 1246 01:08:22,790 --> 01:08:34,400 I told a lie. You shouldn't know better. There's a difference 1247 01:08:34,670 --> 01:08:40,190 since you and I started to be more than friends. We always 1248 01:08:40,340 --> 01:08:49,900 kept going when the going got tough. All I can say is I can't 1249 01:08:50,020 --> 01:09:05,550 say I'm sorry enough 'cause I told a lie every time. time I 1250 01:09:05,730 --> 01:09:17,400 said I didn't love you, you know I didn't mean it at all. Don't 1251 01:09:17,460 --> 01:09:52,660 wanna see you cry. I told a lie. I told a lie every time I said I 1252 01:09:52,990 --> 01:10:13,800 didn't love you. You know I. I told a lie. Nice. 1253 01:10:14,580 --> 01:10:14,640 Yeah. 1254 01:10:15,450 --> 01:10:19,980 There we go. All right. There he is. Man, I hear a little, little 1255 01:10:20,220 --> 01:10:21,740 Everly Brothers. Yeah, I did too 1256 01:10:21,950 --> 01:10:25,610 on that. That's great tune. I love that song. Jesse and Noah, 1257 01:10:25,700 --> 01:10:29,630 thanks again for coming by. And Sunshine Shop, please go out and 1258 01:10:29,660 --> 01:10:32,960 buy this record because I'm telling you, every home should 1259 01:10:32,990 --> 01:10:35,990 have one. All right, yeah. Tell them where they can see us and 1260 01:10:35,990 --> 01:10:39,650 don't lie. Oh no, but we need to get you with Zach Top 1261 01:10:39,950 --> 01:10:44,140 because he never lies, and then anyway, we'll work on that for 1262 01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:50,320 you. We encourage our 20 plus 1000 followers to keep on 1263 01:10:50,440 --> 01:10:54,130 following us, and that's on Facebook. Also, you can find us 1264 01:10:54,220 --> 01:10:59,620 on our YouTube channel, as well as circlingthedrain.net, and 1265 01:11:00,130 --> 01:11:04,110 audio wise, all of the typical platforms, Apple Podcasts, etc. 1266 01:11:04,590 --> 01:11:08,550 So we encourage you to to like and follow and share all of that 1267 01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:08,910 stuff 1268 01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:12,420 because this is where you see true talent right here on this 1269 01:11:12,750 --> 01:11:16,440 podcast. But anyway, be sure and join us next time on circling 1270 01:11:16,500 --> 01:11:17,070 the Drake.